**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 31 02:59:57 2010
Aug 31 03:29:10 <bince> guys some pls tell wot all i need to setup and download to make the sdk for maemo up an running in windows xp
Aug 31 03:37:34 <bince> guys some pls tell wot all i need to setup and download to make the sdk for maemo up an running in windows xp
Aug 31 03:59:55 <TermanaN900> hey hey
Aug 31 04:21:00 * MohammadAG51 slaps TermanaN900 
Aug 31 04:21:11 <MohammadAG51> kinda quiet in here today
Aug 31 04:32:27 <TermanaN900> MohammadAG51, it seems to have been kind of quiet for a few days/a week. Maybe its just me
Aug 31 05:35:56 * scp1 yells out loud
Aug 31 05:37:16 * ieatlint gives a dirty look
Aug 31 05:37:34 * scp1 blushes
Aug 31 05:42:42 <RST38h> <yawn>
Aug 31 05:44:15 <DocScrutinizer> </yawn>
Aug 31 05:47:38 <johnx> unclosed <yawn> tags cause oxygen leaks
Aug 31 05:56:10 <zr0> is there a patch for the n900 email client so that it supports the IMAP IDLE extension?
Aug 31 06:03:12 * johnx goes upgrade shopping
Aug 31 06:03:34 <johnx> last time I upgraded my desktop was ~2005
Aug 31 06:05:43 <mece> johnx, that's when they made the best desktops!
Aug 31 06:05:52 <ieatlint> you'll be pleased to know that intel brought back "turbo mode" then
Aug 31 06:06:06 <ieatlint> sadly, the tubro button has not yet returned :(
Aug 31 06:06:37 <johnx> heh. the case I'll be putting mine in isn't quite old enough to have a turbo button
Aug 31 06:06:39 <johnx> but it's close
Aug 31 06:06:54 <mece> does it blow compressed air into the processor?
Aug 31 06:07:33 <johnx> that would be awesome
Aug 31 06:08:41 <mece> yep
Aug 31 06:09:12 <ieatlint> clearly it should blow nitrous into it to mimic the car craze
Aug 31 06:09:15 <mece> actually, i'm sure it would help with cooling... http://volvospeed.com/Pics/Review/innovative_turbo.jpg
Aug 31 06:11:31 <johnx> yeah, but to actually spool a turbo you'd need something with P4 levels of heat dissipation
Aug 31 06:12:16 <mece> so you need another turbo to blow air on the turbo!
Aug 31 06:12:18 <mece> biturbo!
Aug 31 06:12:40 <scp1> Are there any must-have applications, besides the obvious vim, mplayer etc that I've missed?
Aug 31 06:12:59 <johnx> or a supercharger->turbocharger setup with the supercharger running off a belt from the CPU fan :>
Aug 31 06:13:01 <mece> scp1, well I don't have vim or mplayer...
Aug 31 06:13:11 <scp1> Oh, I'm so sorry.
Aug 31 06:13:17 <mece> johnx, yeah!!! I want that on my N900
Aug 31 06:13:26 <scp1> You could lend mine for a while :p
Aug 31 06:13:55 <mece> scp1, I use nano or khteditor
Aug 31 06:13:58 <scp1> I tried ines, it didnt work very well. I saw that sdlmame is being ported now, that'd be totally awesome
Aug 31 06:14:10 <johnx> conboy and xournal for notes, xchat of course, omweather, stopwatch,
Aug 31 06:14:22 <mece> scp1, snes works very well.
Aug 31 06:14:53 <scp1> I'm ssh'ing to the server for IM, mail and the like.
Aug 31 06:14:58 <scp1> mece, Cool, I'll try it out
Aug 31 06:15:21 <mece> scp1, I have a gamegripper though.
Aug 31 06:15:44 <scp1> Oh, and... Is there a way I can replace the sucky terminal with something like (u)rxvt? :/
Aug 31 06:16:12 <scp1> mece, hah. cool stuff
Aug 31 06:16:32 <mece> scp1, presence VNC is very good, if that kinda thing rocks your boat.
Aug 31 06:17:30 <scp1> I have no real use for VNC
Aug 31 06:18:02 <scp1> I'm kinda dissapointed that when coding on the n900, the flip screen thingy doesnt work :(
Aug 31 06:19:47 <johnx> you mean, you mean it doesn't auto-rotate the screen or ... ?
Aug 31 06:20:17 <scp1> yeah.
Aug 31 06:20:33 <mece> here's some stuff I use: xchat, witter, mastory, mypaint, mussorgsky, scout, qlister, qspot, freeciv, free heroes 2, wesnoth, exult, fcam, drnoksnes, feedingit fmboost/transmitterwidget, comic-widget, firefox
Aug 31 06:20:48 <mece> scp1, when doesn't it autorotate?
Aug 31 06:21:43 <scp1> mece, Well when I'm in the terminal. I'd be able to see a lot more... wait. I just realized that wasnt a very good idea, since the keyboard doesnt autorotate as well. :D
Aug 31 06:22:24 <mece> scp1, well for text editing try khteditor. it's quite nice, and you can rotate for browsing stuff. Very nice if you do python.
Aug 31 06:22:51 <scp1> mece, :) I do Perl, and I can not live without Vim. Thanks though
Aug 31 06:23:15 <mece> scp1, lol yeah it's kinda awkward to type sideways :D
Aug 31 06:23:58 <scp1> I must say I'm very, very pleased with the n900 though. Kind of improvement over my 3310! :)
Aug 31 06:24:50 <mece> scp1, 3310 is an epic phone!
Aug 31 06:24:52 <Corsac> nothing can beat 3310
Aug 31 06:24:56 <Corsac> except maybe 3210
Aug 31 06:25:07 <mece> oh wait 3210 was the phone I meant!
Aug 31 06:25:33 <mece> yeah. my 3210 survived 2 toilet falls
Aug 31 06:25:54 <Corsac> I'm not sure we want to hear that story
Aug 31 06:26:06 <mece> it's not gross. The bowl was clean both times.
Aug 31 06:26:21 <Corsac> that's what she said
Aug 31 06:26:28 <johnx> iNES seems to work just fine here ... except the N900 keyboard is kind awkward
Aug 31 06:26:45 <johnx> especially using my right hand for directions and my left for A+B
Aug 31 06:26:55 <mece> the first time I was cleaning the toilet while talking on the phone, and the second time I was drunk and had it in my phone pocket.
Aug 31 06:27:14 <mece> johnx, gamegripper!
Aug 31 06:27:34 <johnx> nintendo DS and/or pandora :)
Aug 31 06:27:38 <scp1> johnx, the framerate isnt very good...
Aug 31 06:27:59 <johnx> it seems about 90%+ to me
Aug 31 06:28:07 <scp1> I havent overclocked mine yet though, maybe you have?
Aug 31 06:28:14 <johnx> heck no :)
Aug 31 06:28:16 <mece> scp1, that's strange. framerate on snes i quite nice imo. No overclocking
Aug 31 06:28:37 <scp1> hmm
Aug 31 06:28:37 <johnx> I don't have the money to replace this thing when the CPU burns up
Aug 31 06:28:46 <johnx> mece, is that with or without sound?
Aug 31 06:28:53 <mece> johnx, with
Aug 31 06:29:02 <johnx> impressive
Aug 31 06:29:09 <mece> johnx, I don't have that many games though. But Mortal Kombat is very smooth.
Aug 31 06:29:42 <mece> and for me completely impossible without the gamegripper.
Aug 31 06:30:19 <johnx> I love the idea of playing a nice relaxing SNES RPG on my N900 ... but the reality is I rarely find myself in the situation where I have it but not some other form of entertainment
Aug 31 06:30:37 <scp1> I've just installed the Easy-Debian chroot and rebooted, and it just sits on the loading screen and doing nothing...
Aug 31 06:30:48 <Dassu> johnx: same here
Aug 31 06:31:03 <mece> johnx, I play on the can
Aug 31 06:31:26 <mece> scp1, hmm
Aug 31 06:31:36 <mece> scp1, debian loading screen or maemo?
Aug 31 06:31:42 <johnx> mece, I just tend to read
Aug 31 06:31:44 <scp1> mece, maemo
Aug 31 06:31:52 <mece> scp1, well that kinda blows doesn't it.
Aug 31 06:32:11 <johnx> scp1, did you happen to install bootmenu already?
Aug 31 06:32:21 <scp1> johnx, hmm, no
Aug 31 06:32:32 <johnx> well, you're hosed. reflash
Aug 31 06:32:38 <scp1> what :|
Aug 31 06:32:44 <mece> reboot once first and see if it helps
Aug 31 06:33:05 <johnx> sorry to be so blunt...but if you can't get in to fix things up, you start running out of options really fast
Aug 31 06:33:13 <scp1> Yeah I did. Still the same thing..
Aug 31 06:33:19 <Stskeeps> we do have a rescue initrd fwiw
Aug 31 06:33:20 <Stskeeps> :P
Aug 31 06:33:21 <mece> damn
Aug 31 06:33:35 * DocScrutinizer moos at Stskeeps
Aug 31 06:33:43 <Stskeeps> moo DocScrutinizer
Aug 31 06:33:46 <mece> \o Stskeeps
Aug 31 06:35:35 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: (initrd) so you say, we can select which kernel or at least which rootfs to use for boot? as in "system A fsckd up completely - no problem, boot to B and fix A" ?
Aug 31 06:35:38 <scp1> shit. :C
Aug 31 06:36:06 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: no, actual shell to play around with
Aug 31 06:36:21 <Stskeeps> and go in and fix something
Aug 31 06:36:29 <scp1> 'switch off the device and install the .deb with...'. How on earth should I install something when it's turned off? :/
Aug 31 06:38:04 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: so still useless to do things like partitioning changes, initscript tweaking, etc...
Aug 31 06:38:09 <johnx> uhm, is there a flashable rescue initrd?
Aug 31 06:38:51 <Stskeeps> johnx: yeah, we're developing one in meego
Aug 31 06:39:05 <mece> Stskeeps, wow, that's awesome!
Aug 31 06:39:22 <Stskeeps> http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd
Aug 31 06:39:35 <johnx> ah, very cool
Aug 31 06:39:43 <johnx> scp1, you're saved.
Aug 31 06:39:43 <Stskeeps> contributions welcome
Aug 31 06:40:00 <DocScrutinizer> rom above 2 lines of convo I don't see the usecase
Aug 31 06:40:09 * johnx apologizes for predictions of doom and gloom that were behind the times
Aug 31 06:40:28 <scp1> wait. I shall not http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Linux do that anymore? ;o
Aug 31 06:41:04 <johnx> scp1, yeah. go to the page Stskeeps linked
Aug 31 06:41:22 <johnx> DocScrutinizer, huh. if you can get a shell that has chroot, you're off to a good start at least
Aug 31 06:42:27 <scp1> I'm not sure how that would help me, well, I'm not sure what I should do once I get a shell
Aug 31 06:42:49 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, IF system has sane kernel, sane modules for kernel, sane messybox to run initscripts, sane upstart, sane initscripts and events scripts... otherwise I won't even see bootmenu - am I missing something?
Aug 31 06:42:57 <johnx> scp1, remove the whatever debian added to your boot sequence ...
Aug 31 06:43:45 <johnx> DocScrutinizer, AFAIU, this hooks in pre-init and lets you make some choices from there, like getting a shell, etc
Aug 31 06:43:52 <jpinx-eeepc> DocScrutinizer: hi - I got the flasher .deb installed on the eeepc ok. :) Am I right in thinking there are three things to flash? Combined, Vanilla and Installer ?
Aug 31 06:44:04 <jpinx-eeepc> what order to fire them in there?
Aug 31 06:44:33 <DocScrutinizer> flasher isn't flashed itself :-)
Aug 31 06:44:33 <johnx> jpinx-eeepc, two things to install, the OS and an image for the emmc
Aug 31 06:44:39 <DocScrutinizer> err installer
Aug 31 06:44:58 <jpinx-eeepc> ah - ok - so Vanilla first?
Aug 31 06:45:02 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Aug 31 06:45:11 <DocScrutinizer> though wiki tells different
Aug 31 06:45:26 <jpinx-eeepc> that's why I am asking here ;)
Aug 31 06:45:46 <DocScrutinizer> omit the -R parameters!
Aug 31 06:45:58 <jpinx-eeepc> what options for the flash? flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> -f -R
Aug 31 06:46:05 <jpinx-eeepc> Oh .. ok
Aug 31 06:46:16 <jpinx-eeepc> just the -f
Aug 31 06:46:40 <jpinx-eeepc> what about the first -F  ?
Aug 31 06:47:24 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, no manpage for flasher on top of my head. cmdline as in ~flashing is correct, minus the -R
Aug 31 06:47:29 <DocScrutinizer> ~flashing
Aug 31 06:47:30 <infobot> somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Aug 31 06:47:51 <jpinx-eeepc> :)
Aug 31 06:48:52 <DocScrutinizer> flash vanilla (without -R), switch off device, flash combined as usual. DO NOT BOOT in beetween
Aug 31 06:49:25 <scp1> uhm. are you sure those instructions are correct?
Aug 31 06:49:31 <DocScrutinizer> means : keep 'u' pressed, and switch on device implicitly by pluggin in USB
Aug 31 06:49:44 <DocScrutinizer> scp1: yes, I am!
Aug 31 06:50:04 <DocScrutinizer> you think they are incorrect?
Aug 31 06:50:04 <scp1> docscrutinizer, http://codepad.org/eBibj6NM this is intended?
Aug 31 06:50:22 <DocScrutinizer> I don't know codepad
Aug 31 06:50:30 <scp1> what?
Aug 31 06:50:54 <DocScrutinizer> I won't click on arbitrary URLs offered to me as bait
Aug 31 06:51:06 <scp1> lol
Aug 31 06:51:40 <johnx> DocScrutinizer, looks like a pastebin clone
Aug 31 06:51:50 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
Aug 31 06:51:52 <johnx> uhm, no, I don't think that looks entirely right scp1
Aug 31 06:52:06 <jpinx-eeepc> how do I know when It's finished flashing VANILLA over?
Aug 31 06:52:20 <johnx> the flasher should return to a prompt
Aug 31 06:52:24 <lbt> hi johnx
Aug 31 06:52:32 <johnx> mornin' lbt :)
Aug 31 06:53:12 <jpinx-eeepc> ok - that was vanilla -- now for combined
Aug 31 06:54:08 <johnx> scp1, your download was corrupt
Aug 31 06:54:28 <scp1> I downloaded them 3 times man
Aug 31 06:54:36 <johnx> one sec
Aug 31 06:54:58 <jpinx-eeepc> johnx: is combined very small/quick? It seems to flash in a second
Aug 31 06:54:58 <johnx> john@Schala:~/tmp$ md5sum *rpm
Aug 31 06:54:58 <johnx> c8c68f5e5b2d350cab1b9a0c48d49db9  kernel-n900-2.6.33.3-11.2.armv7l.rpm
Aug 31 06:54:59 <johnx> 14397dadd7be2505e8e65cbc80dac3a7  nokia-n900-rescue-initrd-0.1-1.3.armv7l.rpm
Aug 31 06:55:24 <scp1> they are correct
Aug 31 06:55:48 <johnx> scp1, then your cpio or rpm2cpio is broken?
Aug 31 06:55:50 * johnx shrugs
Aug 31 06:55:53 <scp1> >_>
Aug 31 06:56:07 <scp1> should I just reflash it with that previous method...
Aug 31 06:56:14 <johnx> you could
Aug 31 06:56:24 <johnx> you're the one who has to weight the cost/benefit ratio
Aug 31 06:56:33 <johnx> s/weight/weigh
Aug 31 06:56:41 <scp1> Well I need it at least booting :p
Aug 31 06:57:12 <johnx> I give it good odds, that you could get it properly booting with the rescue method in an hour or two
Aug 31 06:57:22 <DocScrutinizer> jpinx-eeepc: yes
Aug 31 06:57:27 <johnx> if you have a lot of hacks and customizations already applied it's probably faster to recover
Aug 31 06:57:27 <DocScrutinizer> takes like 5s
Aug 31 06:57:37 <johnx> if you're ok starting fresh, then just reflash now
Aug 31 06:58:34 <scp1> jesus. there is no 64 bit version of the flasher app...
Aug 31 06:58:36 <jpinx-eeepc> DocScrutinizer: ok - seems to have done, pulled the cables, but the faint NOKA is still on the screen and it won't boot
Aug 31 06:58:54 <DocScrutinizer> takes some time
Aug 31 06:59:15 <jpinx-eeepc> "some time" as in ten minutes? and hour?
Aug 31 06:59:23 <DocScrutinizer> but of course if you omitted -R, you need to switch off and power on manually to boot
Aug 31 06:59:52 <jpinx-eeepc> DocScrutinizer: it refuses to power down when I hold the button
Aug 31 07:00:01 <DocScrutinizer> takeout battery
Aug 31 07:00:04 <jpinx-eeepc> so I assume it's still munching stuff
Aug 31 07:00:08 <scp1> Looks like I'm truly fucked. I cant even run the flash app
Aug 31 07:00:36 <jpinx-eeepc> scp1: I saw something about 64 bit flashers in the wiki
Aug 31 07:00:47 <scp1> Yes... but I dont use dpkg
Aug 31 07:01:11 <DocScrutinizer> jpinx-eeepc: check diagnostics output of flasher to verify flashing rootfs went ok
Aug 31 07:01:32 <jpinx-eeepc> DocScrutinizer: errr.. where is that logged?
Aug 31 07:01:33 <johnx> scp1, a .deb is an ar archive...
Aug 31 07:01:42 <DocScrutinizer> it's not a question of time it takes, but a matter of "ok" on diagnostic output
Aug 31 07:01:59 <DocScrutinizer> on your screen where you entered the flasher command
Aug 31 07:02:13 <johnx> jpinx-eeepc, what did the flasher print when it was run? take that, copy it to pastebin.ca, then give us a link
Aug 31 07:02:32 <jpinx-eeepc> scp1: oki doki
Aug 31 07:02:46 <jpinx-eeepc> sorry - that was for johnx
Aug 31 07:05:36 <jpinx-eeepc> johnx: http://paste.debian.net/86834/
Aug 31 07:06:11 <johnx> looks like it didn't even start flashing
Aug 31 07:06:24 <johnx> did you connect the N900 through a hub?
Aug 31 07:06:25 <jpinx-eeepc> Hmmm - I did it several times
Aug 31 07:06:39 <jpinx-eeepc> nope, but I'll try a different USB port on the eeepc
Aug 31 07:06:47 <johnx> also, are you using the Nokia cable or another one?
Aug 31 07:06:57 <jpinx-eeepc> nokia cable
Aug 31 07:07:23 <DocScrutinizer> jpinx-eeepc: switch off N900, then start flashing rootfs as usual (and like advised in wiki)
Aug 31 07:08:19 <DocScrutinizer> jpinx-eeepc: means: start flasher, hold 'u' on N900, plug in usb, N900 will power up automagically - DO NOT power up via power button
Aug 31 07:08:45 <jpinx-eeepc> ok . did a battery-out to kill the n900, now I'll do both flashes again and paste the full output
Aug 31 07:09:11 <jpinx-eeepc> DocScrutinizer: yep the power up with u held worked as it said in the destructions
Aug 31 07:09:13 <DocScrutinizer> you only need to do the rootfs flash, when eMMC flash succeeded before
Aug 31 07:09:39 <scp1> what on earth is the 'FIASCO' image? I cant find it
Aug 31 07:09:58 <jpinx-eeepc> is eMMC the COMBINED ia the rootfs?
Aug 31 07:10:07 <jpinx-eeepc> all these names make life confusing
Aug 31 07:10:11 <scp1> indeed
Aug 31 07:10:14 <DocScrutinizer> that's the nice thing on "eMMC first, THEN rootfs" - even an accidental boot in between isn't really harmful
Aug 31 07:10:23 <johnx> scp1, it's the .bin linked from the wiki
Aug 31 07:10:25 <Duckboot> Please ppl: http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing
Aug 31 07:10:36 <jpinx-eeepc> Duckboot: the wiki sux
Aug 31 07:10:39 <Duckboot> Read it tenf9olds of times
Aug 31 07:10:44 <scp1> johnx, there are like a zillion on them on that url
Aug 31 07:10:52 <DocScrutinizer> eMMC == *VANILLA*, rootfs&stuff == *COMBINED*
Aug 31 07:11:00 <Duckboot> jpinx-eeepc: I read the wiki, and flashed. No probs really.
Aug 31 07:11:21 <jpinx-eeepc> DocScrutinizer: ok -- I did vanilla first as you said
Aug 31 07:12:04 <johnx> scp1, latest combined is what you need
Aug 31 07:12:05 <jpinx-eeepc> DocScrutinizer: do I start over again and do vanilla again?
Aug 31 07:12:13 <DocScrutinizer> nope
Aug 31 07:12:15 <johnx> jpinx-eeepc, no need
Aug 31 07:12:18 <jpinx-eeepc> ok
Aug 31 07:12:31 <scp1> jpinx-eeepc, thank you
Aug 31 07:14:23 <jpinx-eeepc> ah - that looks better, it's taking it's time to flash that over this time
Aug 31 07:14:52 <jpinx-eeepc> I appended > flasher.log to the command so the the full output will be seen
Aug 31 07:15:06 <DocScrutinizer> :-)
Aug 31 07:15:42 <DocScrutinizer> if everything work ok, we won't need the output. We've all seen several times
Aug 31 07:15:58 <johnx> heh. the standard rule: as soon as you add enough debugging output the problem goes away :)
Aug 31 07:16:04 <DocScrutinizer> odds are however you'll not notice a stall... :-S
Aug 31 07:16:16 <DocScrutinizer> as you don't see live output
Aug 31 07:16:39 <johnx> tee FTW
Aug 31 07:16:54 * DocScrutinizer suggests appending ` | tee flasher.log` instead
Aug 31 07:17:29 <jpinx-eeepc> DocScrutinizer: "CMT flashed successfully" - do you really want to see the details?
Aug 31 07:17:39 <DocScrutinizer> flashing rootfs shouldn't take longer than 60s afak
Aug 31 07:17:47 <DocScrutinizer> afaik
Aug 31 07:17:59 <DocScrutinizer> nope, that's all fine :-)
Aug 31 07:18:31 <DocScrutinizer> now power down and boot
Aug 31 07:18:40 <jpinx-eeepc> booting....
Aug 31 07:19:20 <jpinx-eeepc>  blinking dots......
Aug 31 07:19:21 * DocScrutinizer looks at today's ToDo, searching for a time slot to finally fix that friggin confusing wiki flashing instructions for good
Aug 31 07:19:43 <jpinx-eeepc> DocScrutinizer: I'll give it some time later if you like
Aug 31 07:19:52 <DocScrutinizer> nah
Aug 31 07:20:00 * jpinx-eeepc does the debian wiki sometimes
Aug 31 07:21:00 <DocScrutinizer> jpinx-eeepc: better someone does who knows a 200 successful flashing events and the confusion of users that came up during those
Aug 31 07:21:39 <jpinx-eeepc> heh
Aug 31 07:22:56 <jpinx-eeepc> ok - accepted new language, location time/date etc. now to see if it'll update
Aug 31 07:23:01 <DocScrutinizer> the wiki as is now is so confusing largely due to a lot of people edited in in, used different terminologies, and couldn't resist to mention they feeded their dog during 2nd try of first flash, "dunno if it really matters"
Aug 31 07:23:35 <jpinx-eeepc> yea - I know how that goes ;)
Aug 31 07:24:42 <hrw> morning
Aug 31 07:24:48 <DocScrutinizer> moo hrw
Aug 31 07:25:15 <crashanddie> moo
Aug 31 07:25:27 <johnx> also, that part of the wiki was originally written for the N800 and flasher-3 I think
Aug 31 07:26:22 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Aug 31 07:27:40 <jpinx-eeepc> DocScrutinizer: already seeing some better goings-on - the previous owner of this n900 possibly screwed himself up a bit
Aug 31 07:27:49 <DocScrutinizer> and that power plug nonsense (it IS nonsense for N900, evidently) is highly confusing
Aug 31 07:28:41 <jpinx-eeepc> DocScrutinizer: tbh the whole thing would be clearer if there was one page for each device/model
Aug 31 07:28:56 <DocScrutinizer> jpinx-eeepc: yeah, probably a case of "wut, doesn't work? FFS! Meh, sell the shit and get an iphone"
Aug 31 07:29:16 <jpinx-eeepc> he admitted that he had got an iphone ;)
Aug 31 07:29:24 <DocScrutinizer> jpinx-eeepc: exactly what I'm planning to do
Aug 31 07:30:01 <jpinx-eeepc> cool - I have to go teaching again now, but back later to see if this beastie will update and install stuff properly
Aug 31 07:31:05 <jpinx-eeepc> very happy that is behaving better already :D
Aug 31 07:31:12 <DocScrutinizer> :-)
Aug 31 07:31:25 <crashanddie> who uses twitter here?
Aug 31 07:31:32 <DocScrutinizer> you'll love it, if you are willing to learn and RTFM
Aug 31 07:31:51 <DocScrutinizer> duh, this isn't twitter???
Aug 31 07:32:13 <jpinx-eeepc> DocScrutinizer: I installed debain on my eeepc - I'll get this N900 to work for me ;)
Aug 31 07:32:39 <DocScrutinizer> that's the right spirit
Aug 31 07:34:44 <crashanddie> Jaffa: ping
Aug 31 07:34:44 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie: isn't twitter that reinvention of ##mychan by using browser and ajax?
Aug 31 07:34:52 <crashanddie> dunno
Aug 31 07:35:06 <crashanddie> Every six months or so I wonder whether I should use it or not
Aug 31 07:35:17 <crashanddie> I ask people to convince me, but nobody did a very good job of it yet
Aug 31 07:35:37 <DocScrutinizer> neither will I
Aug 31 07:35:40 <DocScrutinizer> :-P
Aug 31 07:36:09 <johnx> crashanddie, I guess that some authors tend to write clever observational things there
Aug 31 07:36:10 <DocScrutinizer> twitter == irc for noobs :-P
Aug 31 07:36:30 <johnx> if you follow a whole bunch of RSS feeds, it might be fun to add a couple twittr feeds to that list (or something)
Aug 31 07:36:45 * johnx makes half-hearted argument for twitter, fails
Aug 31 07:37:06 <crashanddie> I don't follow RSS feeds
Aug 31 07:37:19 <crashanddie> plus, all the usernames I'd fancy are already taken
Aug 31 07:37:20 <kerio> twitter is IRC for egocentrics, with less space
Aug 31 07:37:31 <crashanddie> unless I go for mwkntestaccount1 or mwkntestaccount2
Aug 31 07:37:39 <DocScrutinizer> kerio: that as well
Aug 31 07:37:40 <crashanddie> which I have registered
Aug 31 07:37:52 <crashanddie> funny thing is, those accounts never sent anything
Aug 31 07:38:00 <crashanddie> were marked private immediately
Aug 31 07:38:10 <crashanddie> and there's like a dozen people following me
Aug 31 07:38:18 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Aug 31 07:38:22 <kerio> nice
Aug 31 07:39:04 * DocScrutinizer sees a picture:  a herd of sheep following a butterfly, mesmerized
Aug 31 07:39:26 <crashanddie> lcuk, Jaffa, convince me to tweet
Aug 31 07:39:36 <johnx> off-topic: how the *&$% does anyone buy a desktop computer these days? I have *no* clue what is worth what and who to trust in terms of mainboards
Aug 31 07:39:40 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer: hurd
Aug 31 07:39:54 <crashanddie> johnx: you mean motherboards?
Aug 31 07:40:04 <johnx> whatever
Aug 31 07:40:18 <DocScrutinizer> meh, knew I should have hit shift-lextra-y
Aug 31 07:40:18 <crashanddie> johnx: I have the same problem, admittedly
Aug 31 07:40:22 <johnx> see, even my terminology is out of date O_o;
Aug 31 07:40:49 <crashanddie> johnx: motherboards were called motherboards for the past 20 years, lol
Aug 31 07:41:09 <crashanddie> johnx: maybe not in your cave, but that's just your seattle accent
Aug 31 07:41:21 <johnx> I've heard mainboard in some circles. mobo in other circles
Aug 31 07:41:23 <hrw> johnx: intel or amd?
Aug 31 07:41:34 <kerio> ARM!
Aug 31 07:41:35 <johnx> I think AMD looks like a better deal for more cores right now
Aug 31 07:41:42 <johnx> so I was going to go with them
Aug 31 07:41:43 <jpinx-eeepc> just a quickie - how to zoom in/out with the browser?
Aug 31 07:41:44 <crashanddie> johnx: go for intel i7, buy it off dell.com, less hassle
Aug 31 07:41:48 <kerio> volkeys
Aug 31 07:41:54 <kerio> or draw a circle
Aug 31 07:41:54 <crashanddie> jpinx-eeepc: circle with stylus
Aug 31 07:41:56 <jpinx-eeepc> kerio: tks
Aug 31 07:41:59 <johnx> jpinx-eeepc, swirl your finger, or double tap, or hit the volume keys
Aug 31 07:42:02 <kerio> or doubletap
Aug 31 07:42:26 * crashanddie awards 2 points to kerio for speed, 2 points to johnx for brevity
Aug 31 07:42:31 <hrw> johnx: grab something with 8xx chipset and usb3.0 support. 4 banks of ddr3 and 2x pcie x16
Aug 31 07:42:33 <crashanddie> IT'S A DRAW
Aug 31 07:42:38 <jpinx-eeepc> vol ctrl is good :)
Aug 31 07:42:47 * hrw uses opera mobile only
Aug 31 07:42:51 <kerio> you can probably also use dbus!
Aug 31 07:42:55 <crashanddie> hrw: opera ftw
Aug 31 07:43:03 <jpinx-eeepc> might get this connected quicker than I thought now I can see where to enter the password )
Aug 31 07:43:05 <johnx> hrw, thanks for the tip on the chipset. was about to get a 7xx
Aug 31 07:43:12 <Flyser_> johnx: whatever you do. dont buy cheap. especially the mainboard ...
Aug 31 07:43:24 <johnx> crashanddie, budget isn't there for an i7 right now :P
Aug 31 07:43:32 <kerio> i'd buy an imac
Aug 31 07:43:33 <crashanddie> johnx: then don't buy
Aug 31 07:43:34 <DocScrutinizer> jpinx-eeepc: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Shortcuts_and_Gestures
Aug 31 07:43:34 <nid0> motherboard wise not a great deal has changed since abit shut down. anything by asus will come with a premium price, intel boards are solid but generally basic, dfi boards are alright, gigabyte are generally a bit on the cheapo side
Aug 31 07:43:37 <hrw> johnx: 8xx gives you southbridge with sata 6Gbps - can be handy when you buy fast ssd
Aug 31 07:43:38 <crashanddie> kerio++
Aug 31 07:43:53 <johnx> crashanddie, thanks. that's totally unhelpful
Aug 31 07:43:57 <kerio> the 27" is a fucking beast
Aug 31 07:44:04 <crashanddie> kerio: yeah, have one at work
Aug 31 07:44:09 <johnx> kerio, with $350, you'd buy an imac?
Aug 31 07:44:13 <DocScrutinizer> 5 point to me for best answer
Aug 31 07:44:16 <jpinx-eeepc> DocScrutinizer: nice one :)
Aug 31 07:44:26 <crashanddie> johnx: nope, I' buy new heads for my drumkit
Aug 31 07:44:38 <kerio> johnx: i'd buy a pair of headphones :|
Aug 31 07:44:45 <crashanddie> johnx: with $350, you can buy a netbook
Aug 31 07:44:53 <johnx> nid0, aaah, now that's what I wanted to know :) thanks
Aug 31 07:44:55 <crashanddie> johnx: it usually works better to tell the budget and aimed use first
Aug 31 07:45:19 * kerio sometimes wonders if he has too much expendable income
Aug 31 07:45:20 <hrw> johnx: 350$ is all you have for computer?
Aug 31 07:45:38 <johnx> hrw, i don't really see spending more *shrugs*
Aug 31 07:45:41 <crashanddie> kerio: same here
Aug 31 07:45:45 <johnx> it'd cut into my beer fund :P
Aug 31 07:45:54 <crashanddie> you have a beer fund?
Aug 31 07:46:01 <kerio> stop drinking, buy mac pro
Aug 31 07:46:07 <Flyser_> I own two intel mainboards. they are okay with some minor annoyances
Aug 31 07:46:18 <kerio> wtf is a mainboard
Aug 31 07:46:19 <crashanddie> like, every week you dump money into an account where a broker buys beer for you?
Aug 31 07:46:20 <hrw> my next desktop will cost ~1K$ for cpu/ram/mb
Aug 31 07:46:22 <crashanddie> kerio: motherboard
Aug 31 07:46:26 <nid0> mainboard == motherboard
Aug 31 07:46:30 <nid0> interchangable terms
Aug 31 07:46:34 <kerio> crashanddie: lol
Aug 31 07:46:37 <johnx> I'm actually just fine with my A64 3000+ / 1GB RAM, but apparently to develop anything for meego I need VT extensions and SSE3
Aug 31 07:46:55 <kerio> if the market goes down you get crappy root beer
Aug 31 07:47:01 <hrw> johnx: search for better a64 then
Aug 31 07:47:10 <johnx> uhm, I'm on socket 939
Aug 31 07:47:13 <hrw> johnx: you have am2 one or 939?
Aug 31 07:47:16 <johnx> heh
Aug 31 07:47:17 <johnx> yeah
Aug 31 07:47:18 <Flyser_> johnx: a 30$ Celeron will work fine
Aug 31 07:47:18 <johnx> that old
Aug 31 07:47:31 <crashanddie> johnx, nid0: "The term mainboard is archaically applied to devices with a single board and no additional expansions or capability. In modern terms this would include embedded systems and controlling boards in televisions, washing machines, etc. A motherboard specifically refers to a printed circuit with the capability to add/extend its performance."
Aug 31 07:47:32 <hrw> 939... I have 3200+ singlecore somewhere in drawer
Aug 31 07:47:41 <Flyser_> johnx: oops. I mean a 70$ pentium. Celerons dont have VT
Aug 31 07:47:51 <johnx> Flyser_, I mean, I'm not strapped for cash. I figure I'll set a price point of $350 then let myself be convinced to spend a bit more or a bit less
Aug 31 07:48:01 <Flyser_> johnx: I can recommend the Intel Pentium E6300
Aug 31 07:48:15 <crashanddie> johnx: then set a price point of $500, and then start hunting
Aug 31 07:48:29 <crashanddie> johnx: $350 will get you a granny wallmart desktop that was built to power botnets
Aug 31 07:48:33 <hrw> johnx: grab intel775 mainboard with P35 chipset, put there ddr2 ram and cpu with vt/sse3
Aug 31 07:49:06 <Flyser_> johnx: do you want dedicated graphics or is an intel gpu sufficent?
Aug 31 07:49:14 <johnx> crashanddie, I don't need a hard drive or case or even video card initially. That's why I'm not going prebuilt
Aug 31 07:49:27 <hrw> johnx: or G43/G45 to have onboard graphics (microatx usually)
Aug 31 07:49:47 <hrw> my q6600 (core2quad) has vt/sse3 and is few years old
Aug 31 07:49:54 <Flyser_> I would recommend G43/45 too
Aug 31 07:49:57 <johnx> the Pentium E6300 is the dual core, right?
Aug 31 07:50:01 <hrw> johnx: yes
Aug 31 07:50:07 <Flyser_> johnx: yes
Aug 31 07:50:15 <hrw> johnx: all 'Pentium' todays are dualcore
Aug 31 07:50:34 <johnx> crashanddie, uhm, you have an interesting approach to budgeting ...
Aug 31 07:50:34 <Flyser_> johnx: its like a core 2 duo, just slightly slower
Aug 31 07:50:38 <Flyser_> but _much_ cheaper
Aug 31 07:50:50 <johnx> yeah, saw that
Aug 31 07:50:56 <johnx> still thinking 4 cores might be nice
Aug 31 07:51:01 <kerio> johnx: crashanddie's idea of budgeting is "spend more"
Aug 31 07:51:12 <johnx> I'll price up an intel and an AMD
Aug 31 07:51:12 <hrw> johnx: core2quad can be more expensive - check for used q6600
Aug 31 07:51:36 <Flyser_> I recently upgraded my Pentium E6300 to a Core 2 Duo E6500 and I didn't notice a huge difference to be honest
Aug 31 07:51:53 <hrw> q6600 can be overclocked nicely (if someone needs)
Aug 31 07:51:56 <DocScrutinizer> [[to all our listeners who joined in recently - we're still in double-u double-u #maemo I R C, on freenode 98.3. You missed the best of our daily OT discussion, this time the topic is "how many cores til core meltdown?", enjoy our program, and ... DON'T TUCH THAT DIAL! ]]
Aug 31 07:52:00 <crashanddie> Khertan1: ping
Aug 31 07:52:19 <Flyser_> DocScrutinizer: LOL
Aug 31 07:52:49 <johnx> DocScrutinizer, sorry for dragging us into off-topicness ... but I figured if twitter was the topic, this wasn't *much* worse O_o;
Aug 31 07:53:05 <crashanddie> Hey, I was just asking to be convinced by a bunch of twits
Aug 31 07:53:13 <crashanddie> they didn't respond to the call
Aug 31 07:53:24 <mikki-kun> DocScrutinizer: just takes one... in some time we'll see an n900 having a core meltdown
Aug 31 07:53:26 <crashanddie> by the way, DocScrutinizer, interesting to see you press the off-topic alarm :D
Aug 31 07:53:54 <DocScrutinizer> just up for a pun :-D
Aug 31 07:54:01 <DocScrutinizer> no alarm intended
Aug 31 07:54:52 <Flyser_> johnx: I think $350 should be okay, if you don't need a harddrive or case. At least here in europe. I don't know how expensive electronics is in the US these days.
Aug 31 07:55:01 <Flyser_> is=are
Aug 31 07:55:59 <johnx> Flyser_, pretty reasonable it seems. I mean, if I don't feel like my 3000+ single-core is slow, I probably won't feel like pretty much any new CPU is slow
Aug 31 07:57:11 <Flyser_> I think a Pentium E6300 (just make sure you dont get a Core 2 Duo E6300, which is slower) should _easily_ beat your 3000+
Aug 31 07:57:32 <johnx> yeah. the newer atoms are coming close these days. heh
Aug 31 07:57:34 <Flyser_> probably more than double the speed
Aug 31 07:57:41 <Flyser_> :)
Aug 31 07:58:16 <johnx> thanks for the tips guys :) know what chipset to look for at least is a good start
Aug 31 08:00:09 <scp1> johnx, Thanks a lot for the help, finally it booted
Aug 31 08:00:24 <johnx> scp1, woo! too bad you couldn't recover though
Aug 31 08:00:35 <johnx> might want to install bootmenu first thing
Aug 31 08:00:44 <scp1> johnx, doesnt matter really since I got it today :)
Aug 31 08:00:55 <scp1> bootmenu hmm... like grub? ;o
Aug 31 08:01:09 <johnx> kinda, but totally different in implementation
Aug 31 08:01:13 <johnx> grub is pre-kernel
Aug 31 08:01:19 <johnx> bootmenu is post-kernel, pre-init
Aug 31 08:01:53 <johnx> but just what you need to get a shell or start a telnet server on usb-ethernet
Aug 31 08:02:18 <crashanddie> lcuk: go down to arndale shopping center, there's a topman place with reasonably priced suits
Aug 31 08:02:57 <scp1> johnx, ah. cool. installing that now... I dont know if I dare to try debian again :/
Aug 31 08:03:23 <johnx> scp1, well, once you have recovery options, it makes things a bit more sane
Aug 31 08:04:28 <jpinx-eeepc> DocScrutinizer: still fails the updates -- error at pastebin.com/HRQzmnf0
Aug 31 08:05:37 <DocScrutinizer> libsdl is fsckdup lately, I heard
Aug 31 08:05:57 <DocScrutinizer> shouldn't turn out to be a showstopper though
Aug 31 08:06:27 <mece> jpinx-eeepc, wesnoth?
Aug 31 08:06:27 <jpinx-eeepc> it gives "no updates available"
Aug 31 08:06:35 <DocScrutinizer> jpinx-eeepc: you restored from backup?
Aug 31 08:06:56 <jpinx-eeepc> DocScrutinizer: this is a newly flashed OS
Aug 31 08:07:03 <jpinx-eeepc> nothing to backup
Aug 31 08:07:11 <DocScrutinizer> jpinx-eeepc: "no updates available" is a rather sane thing then
Aug 31 08:07:27 <jpinx-eeepc> no updates needed ?
Aug 31 08:07:36 <DocScrutinizer> there are no updates for core system
Aug 31 08:07:45 <jpinx-eeepc> not available tells me I can't connect
Aug 31 08:07:55 <jpinx-eeepc> or it is failing
Aug 31 08:07:58 <DocScrutinizer> just go ahead install new apps as you like
Aug 31 08:08:13 <jpinx-eeepc> hmm - sudo wants a password - no idea what that is
Aug 31 08:08:22 <DocScrutinizer> nah, not available means there are none
Aug 31 08:08:23 <mece> jpinx-eeepc, install rootsh
Aug 31 08:08:25 <mece> and type root
Aug 31 08:08:43 <jpinx-eeepc> DocScrutinizer: you might change the wording on that :)
Aug 31 08:08:52 <DocScrutinizer> *ME*????
Aug 31 08:08:57 <jpinx-eeepc> mece: how can I install if I am not root ?
Aug 31 08:09:18 <mece> jpinx-eeepc, app manager... or is that the problem?
Aug 31 08:09:24 * jpinx-eeepc thought DocScrutinizer was omnipotent ;)
Aug 31 08:09:37 <DocScrutinizer> via application managed, which btw is the recommended method almost all of the time
Aug 31 08:09:38 <jpinx-eeepc> mece: going in circles here ;)
Aug 31 08:10:14 <DocScrutinizer> jpinx-eeepc: maybe I am :-P but there are things I don't care, though even I could
Aug 31 08:10:14 <jpinx-eeepc> ok - back to appmngr to see if it'll do rootsh
Aug 31 08:10:24 <jpinx-eeepc> :)
Aug 31 08:11:11 <nid0> well impressed with nokia's take on live wallpaper in ovi tbh
Aug 31 08:11:32 <DocScrutinizer> jpinx-eeepc: in app manager click "install", click "all" type rootsh on kbd
Aug 31 08:12:17 <DocScrutinizer> nid0: I have other means to bring my system to a grinding halt :-P
Aug 31 08:12:53 <nid0> yeah except funnily, it doesnt do so. it skyrocket's cpu usage while actually having the desktop visible, but the device is still perfectly responsive
Aug 31 08:13:22 <johnx> thankfully they remembered how to use nice(1)
Aug 31 08:13:26 <mece> nid0, what is did they say about live wallpapaer on ovi?
Aug 31 08:13:50 <DocScrutinizer> johnx: except there's no nice(1) on maemo stock X-P
Aug 31 08:13:54 <nid0> mece: ?
Aug 31 08:14:19 <mece> " nid0: well impressed with nokia's take on live wallpaper in ovi tbh" <- what does that mean?
Aug 31 08:14:22 <nid0> mece: sorry I might not have been clear, nokia have released an application called gas-balls to ovi which runs as a live wallpaper
Aug 31 08:14:23 <DocScrutinizer> johnx: messybox - what for do you need `nice` ??
Aug 31 08:14:32 <nid0> not using the livewallpaper extras app
Aug 31 08:14:39 <mece> nid0, ah I see.
Aug 31 08:14:52 <johnx> DocScrutinizer, well the command is there, just no man pages :P
Aug 31 08:14:54 <kerio> DocScrutinizer: hmm... like overclocking the cpu to 2ghz?
Aug 31 08:15:02 <johnx> real linux geeks have already RTFM :P
Aug 31 08:15:03 <DocScrutinizer> duh?!
Aug 31 08:15:03 <kerio> (grinding halt)
Aug 31 08:15:16 <kerio> well, it's less grinding and more blowing up
Aug 31 08:15:23 <kerio> but it'll still stop pretty soon anyway
Aug 31 08:15:24 <kerio> :)
Aug 31 08:15:27 <DocScrutinizer> in my box messybox doesn't know nice
Aug 31 08:15:35 <DocScrutinizer> just renice
Aug 31 08:15:48 <mece> johnx, afaict linux geeks only say RTFM, nobody actually RTFM
Aug 31 08:16:18 <johnx> mece, or on slashdot where it's RTFA :)
Aug 31 08:16:35 <mece> ok well, I'm off. ta.
Aug 31 08:24:28 <hrw> ~curse devs which do not share sources
Aug 31 08:24:29 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, devs which do not share sources !
Aug 31 08:27:54 <DocScrutinizer> johnx: damn, that was another life, err OS where messybox missed the nice
Aug 31 08:28:10 <johnx> DocScrutinizer, thought so. maybe on the N8x0?
Aug 31 08:28:26 <DocScrutinizer> ~lart messybox and its annoying configurability
Aug 31 08:28:27 * infobot hereby declares messybox and its annoying configurability a troll
Aug 31 08:28:41 <DocScrutinizer> johnx: might be OE
Aug 31 08:28:48 <DocScrutinizer> aka OM
Aug 31 08:32:13 <DocScrutinizer> johnx: funny enough some specialists invented a duct tape botch to do `nice` in a small shell script, using something along the lines >$@&; renice %1
Aug 31 08:32:23 <jpinx-N900> DocScrutinizer51: :)
Aug 31 08:32:58 <jpinx-N900> but 8 can,t see my own nick :(
Aug 31 08:33:13 <DocScrutinizer> eeh?
Aug 31 08:33:28 <jpinx-N900> this is jpinx
Aug 31 08:33:38 <DocScrutinizer> yepyepyep
Aug 31 08:33:44 <jpinx-N900> on irssi on the N900
Aug 31 08:33:52 <johnx> DocScrutinizer, strangely that's also the answer to "What does a shell programmer scream if you trip him while he's carrying coffee?"
Aug 31 08:34:15 <jpinx-N900> but I can,t see my own nick :(
Aug 31 08:34:24 <DocScrutinizer> johnx: X-P
Aug 31 08:35:38 <DocScrutinizer> jpinx-N900: we see it - so that's fine ;-)
Aug 31 08:36:01 <DocScrutinizer> jpinx-N900: honestly, no idea bout it but that's a irssi problem I bet
Aug 31 08:36:21 * DocScrutinizer is using xchat, and quite happy with it
Aug 31 08:36:30 <jpinx-N900> yea stupid colors
Aug 31 08:36:51 <jacekowski> no
Aug 31 08:36:56 <jacekowski> irssi doesn't have problems
Aug 31 08:37:06 <DocScrutinizer> PEBKAC
Aug 31 08:37:16 <DocScrutinizer> as always
Aug 31 08:38:06 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Aug 31 08:38:09 <DocScrutinizer> "if you want to avoid problems with yur computer, then don't sit in front of it, hell don't even switch it on"
Aug 31 08:38:35 <DocScrutinizer> moo Jaffa
Aug 31 08:38:54 <Jaffa> crashanddie: I can't convince you, I'm afraid
Aug 31 08:39:01 <crashanddie> Jaffa: just signed up
Aug 31 08:39:12 <DocScrutinizer> OHNOES
Aug 31 08:39:22 <crashanddie> ohyesh
Aug 31 08:39:43 <crashanddie> Jaffa: do you use it?
Aug 31 08:40:05 <villager> DocScrutinizer: similarly, if you want to avoid a crappy life, just commit suicide...
Aug 31 08:40:22 <DocScrutinizer> villager: exactly
Aug 31 08:40:37 <johnx> ... and now presenting #maemo with simple answers to complex problems ...
Aug 31 08:40:46 <DocScrutinizer> that's meta pebkac. pebsag
Aug 31 08:41:00 <DocScrutinizer> problem exists between sky and ground
Aug 31 08:41:27 <johnx> aaah, I parsed that as sub and gag
Aug 31 08:41:35 <johnx> your way makes more sense in context
Aug 31 08:44:33 <Khertan> Morning all !
Aug 31 08:44:38 <DocScrutinizer> moo
Aug 31 08:47:47 <villager> I'm sure there are some problems that exists above sky or below ground... maybe solar flares frying electronics (especially electronics in orbit)... or disturbances in the earth's magnetic field (which is generated below ground) and stuff...
Aug 31 08:48:47 <DocScrutinizer> yoh
Aug 31 08:50:10 <DocScrutinizer> I'm sure for every ticket marked PEBKAC there as well were concurrent unrelated problems anywhere else in this universe
Aug 31 08:50:28 * johnx checks his BOFH calendar
Aug 31 08:50:52 <villager> perhaps, but do they have tickets too?
Aug 31 08:51:07 <johnx> the problem is caused by electrostatic discharge. wrap your head in aluminum foil
Aug 31 08:52:18 <DocScrutinizer> jpinx-eeepc: ^^^
Aug 31 08:52:43 <jpinx-eeepc> what did I miss?
Aug 31 08:52:49 <DocScrutinizer> jpinx-eeepc: so jacekowski was right - irssi has no problems
Aug 31 08:53:13 <jpinx-eeepc> it's got someissues, but possibly resolveable
Aug 31 08:53:22 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: wrap your head in alu foil and problem of invisible nick is gone
Aug 31 08:53:24 <jpinx-eeepc> default colours are pants
Aug 31 08:53:44 <jpinx-eeepc> and it real should be black background, not white
Aug 31 08:54:16 <Nils^> hi people. n900 is stuck in an reboot loop after upgrading packages (I suspect "kernel power"). Only chance is reflashing?
Aug 31 08:54:17 <jpinx-eeepc> and I will have to remember how to make it behave like this one - it's been a while since I messed with it
Aug 31 08:54:48 <DocScrutinizer> Nils^: basically yes
Aug 31 08:55:17 <X-Fade> Nils^: Try flashing the kernel only?
Aug 31 08:55:30 <DocScrutinizer> you *might* succeed in flashing 'old' kernel only
Aug 31 08:56:44 <DocScrutinizer> but then, you most probably got powerkernel compatible modules, and there's no powerkernel image to flash via flasher afaik
Aug 31 08:57:11 <DocScrutinizer> and no way to replace modules by the stock ones, without reflashing whole rootfs
Aug 31 08:57:41 <johnx> download the powerkernel package, extract it, flash kernel image
Aug 31 08:57:47 <johnx> or am I missing something?
Aug 31 08:58:22 <DocScrutinizer> errm yup, I don't think the package contains a kernel in a format siutable for flasher
Aug 31 08:58:30 <DocScrutinizer> but I could be wrong on that
Aug 31 08:58:34 <Nils^> I'll just flash the whole thing. I see no problem
Aug 31 08:58:48 <johnx> what does "suitable for flasher" mean? it's just a kernel image...
Aug 31 08:59:34 <DocScrutinizer> no idea about format which flasher expects
Aug 31 08:59:50 <Stskeeps> johnx: http://imagebin.org/112079
Aug 31 08:59:56 <DocScrutinizer> maybe it's plain 'binary' image, but I doubt that
Aug 31 09:00:58 <johnx> Stskeeps, very pretty. uhm, what *is* it?
Aug 31 09:01:03 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: heh! nice background :-D where do I download that one?
Aug 31 09:01:19 <DocScrutinizer> johnx: looks like uBoot
Aug 31 09:01:24 <Stskeeps> johnx: we found out by accident nolo is able to load u-boot.bin
Aug 31 09:01:39 <Nils^> PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1 is correct?
Aug 31 09:01:50 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Aug 31 09:01:50 <Stskeeps> johnx: so ali1234's working on making a workable u-boot, had it working with qemu-n900 for instance and real n900
Aug 31 09:02:05 <johnx> DocScrutinizer, and I think that the N900's onboard flasher and flasher-3.5 can use the same kernel and initrd image, but maybe I'm confused
Aug 31 09:02:22 <johnx> Stskeeps, aaah, awesome. I totally forgot the N900 doesn't normally use u-boot
Aug 31 09:02:25 <DocScrutinizer> johnx: hmm, you might be right
Aug 31 09:02:36 <Stskeeps> johnx: best part is that n8x0 might be able to do it too :P
Aug 31 09:02:48 <Stskeeps> and we've all been idiots for not discovering this earlier ;)
Aug 31 09:02:49 <johnx> you just have to tell flasher-3.5 that you're handing it a plain kernel image with -k
Aug 31 09:03:11 <johnx> Stskeeps, >_< (that's if the N8x0 could do that all along)
Aug 31 09:03:36 <Stskeeps> johnx: only way we discovered it was cos some guy tried to boot a samsung u-boot in the qemu-n900
Aug 31 09:03:39 <Stskeeps> :P
Aug 31 09:03:54 <johnx> ha! that's awesome
Aug 31 09:03:55 <Stskeeps> completely wrong approach, but interesting result
Aug 31 09:04:20 <DocScrutinizer> boot chainloader - Nolo doesn't care if it's a kernel, uBoot or some arbitrary other nonsense it loads to RAM and executes
Aug 31 09:05:14 <johnx> DocScrutinizer, the problem is, all us guys on the Mer project had kind of ... spotty ... backgrounds when it comes to embedded stuff
Aug 31 09:05:15 <DocScrutinizer> one bootloader loading next bootloader is seen frequently on multiboot machines
Aug 31 09:05:24 <johnx> it never really occurred to me at least
Aug 31 09:06:06 <johnx> anyways, congrats Stskeeps
Aug 31 09:06:11 <johnx> time for sleep, here
Aug 31 09:06:20 <Stskeeps> johnx: heh, i think it was a benefit we didn't
Aug 31 09:06:28 <Stskeeps> we didn't have the same corruption of the mind
Aug 31 09:07:22 <kerio> DocScrutinizer: on dualboot machines it's common to have a bootloader refer to the other
Aug 31 09:07:31 <kerio> so you can constantly move between them
Aug 31 09:07:32 <kerio> it's fun!
Aug 31 09:07:39 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Aug 31 09:08:07 <Appiah> wow , that's your idea of fun? :)
Aug 31 09:08:20 <kerio> well, that and team fortress 2
Aug 31 09:08:59 <DocScrutinizer> if grub doesn't know how to corretly boot up some weird OS, just let it load the weirdOS-bootloader instead
Aug 31 09:11:30 <DocScrutinizer> postal
Aug 31 09:12:19 <DocScrutinizer> according to a friend of mine it *must* be fun
Aug 31 09:12:51 <jacekowski> hmm, only fps i like was first unreal tournamend
Aug 31 09:12:59 <jacekowski> tournament*
Aug 31 09:13:03 <jacekowski> and hmm, mohaa
Aug 31 09:13:07 <jpinx-eeepc> will maemo take a virtual machine?
Aug 31 09:13:16 <jacekowski> jpinx-eeepc: slowly
Aug 31 09:13:18 <DocScrutinizer> sure
Aug 31 09:13:25 <jpinx-eeepc> :)
Aug 31 09:13:36 <DocScrutinizer> depends on your definition of VM
Aug 31 09:13:42 <jpinx-eeepc> xen
Aug 31 09:13:47 <DocScrutinizer> nah
Aug 31 09:13:49 <jacekowski> no
Aug 31 09:13:53 <jacekowski> xen depends on x86
Aug 31 09:13:57 <jacekowski> or amd64
Aug 31 09:14:19 <jpinx-eeepc> Hmm - just an idle thought :)
Aug 31 09:14:40 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.tuug.fi/~toni/serendipity/index.php?/archives/9-Windows-NT-4.0-running-on-N900!.html though
Aug 31 09:15:18 <jpinx-eeepc> there's always some who does it...
Aug 31 09:15:23 <jacekowski> hmm, qemu would be better
Aug 31 09:15:28 <jacekowski> qemu can do JUT
Aug 31 09:15:29 <jacekowski> JIT
Aug 31 09:15:33 <Nils^> strange. I cannot flash, the executable refuses to work. I'm on linux 64. I flashed the n900 once with exactly the same system, but I deinstalled all multilibs in between. Is the flasher a 32bit app?
Aug 31 09:15:46 <jacekowski> Nils^: yes
Aug 31 09:16:02 <DocScrutinizer> ~flashing
Aug 31 09:16:03 <infobot> i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Aug 31 09:16:22 <jpinx-eeepc> Nils^: you need to force the arcchiteccture iirc
Aug 31 09:18:11 <Nils^> jpinx-eeepc: I did not install it
Aug 31 09:20:25 <Nils^> does anyone know what the runtime deps for the flasher are?
Aug 31 09:20:34 <Stskeeps> libusb
Aug 31 09:20:35 <Nils^> so I can install the 32bit variants again
Aug 31 09:21:29 <Nils^> yes, now...
Aug 31 09:25:12 <Nils^> ah, the nokia hands again. thanks all
Aug 31 09:38:18 <kerio> maemo5 annoyance - boot stops to ask for the pin
Aug 31 09:41:39 <Appiah> hmm?
Aug 31 09:41:50 <X-Fade> kerio: Turn off your pin?
Aug 31 09:42:02 <kerio> X-Fade: NEIN
Aug 31 09:42:08 <jacekowski> why?
Aug 31 09:42:08 <X-Fade> Or put your phone in flight mode before boot :)
Aug 31 09:42:21 <jacekowski> nobody is interested in your sim
Aug 31 09:42:30 <kerio> good point
Aug 31 09:42:32 <jacekowski> if somebody steals your phone they want a phone not a sim
Aug 31 09:42:39 <kerio> i should lock the phone!
Aug 31 09:42:56 <Surfa> jacekowski, not quite true
Aug 31 09:42:58 <nid0> jacekowski: not neccesarily
Aug 31 09:43:06 <kerio> jacekowski: well, i had a samsung phone that asked for a lock code if a particular sim wasn't inserted
Aug 31 09:43:12 <kerio> and the sim required the pin
Aug 31 09:43:13 <kerio> so...
Aug 31 09:43:15 <Surfa> it's very common that people use stolen phones for calling service numbers to make profit
Aug 31 09:43:24 <nid0> huge scam in london got busted recently where people were stealing contract sims to rack up international premium £10/minute calls
Aug 31 09:43:41 <jacekowski> thing is that you don't have to pay for these
Aug 31 09:43:49 <jacekowski> if you report that your phone was stolen
Aug 31 09:44:08 <nid0> id rather just have the sim locked and not have to worry about it in the first place tbh
Aug 31 09:44:13 <Surfa> not quite true, the responsibility stops after you made the missing report
Aug 31 09:44:20 <Surfa> in certain countries
Aug 31 09:44:49 <jacekowski> not here
Aug 31 09:45:08 <jacekowski> you have to report it withing limited time
Aug 31 09:45:11 <nid0> technically thats the case in the uk too, the networks are generally lenient on calls made beforehand too but for the sake of entering a pin once in a blue moon the hassle's not worth it
Aug 31 09:45:23 <Surfa> well, here or there doesn't make it true everywhere :)
Aug 31 09:47:36 <loufoque> what's the address of the "Fremantle SDK free armel" repo?
Aug 31 09:47:54 <crashanddie> loufoque: look here for a list of repos: http://repository.maemo.org
Aug 31 09:50:17 <Jaffa> Yay, I can definitely attend day #2 of Nokia World
Aug 31 09:51:08 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Nice ;)
Aug 31 09:53:22 <jacekowski> i would go
Aug 31 09:53:26 <jacekowski> but not for £700
Aug 31 09:53:36 <loufoque> what's the point?
Aug 31 09:53:56 <jacekowski> it's little bit to expensive
Aug 31 09:54:03 <Jaffa> Far too expensive IMHO
Aug 31 09:54:12 <loufoque> according to this page, http://maemo.org/packages/view/gcc-4.2
Aug 31 09:54:16 <jacekowski> defcon costs $140
Aug 31 09:54:16 <loufoque> there is a gcc-4.2 package
Aug 31 09:54:24 <Jaffa> But I've got an entrance ticket provided, and since I work in London, that's quite convenient.
Aug 31 09:54:25 <loufoque> but even with the sdk repo, I don't see it
Aug 31 09:54:30 <loufoque> I only see gcc-4.2-base
Aug 31 09:54:42 <jacekowski> recon under $350
Aug 31 09:57:54 <Gh0sty> 700 pound for a round of marketing? :/
Aug 31 10:00:16 <Jaffa> Gh0sty: It was quite cool last year in Stuttgart when timsamoff and I went for the N900 launch
Aug 31 10:01:15 <X-Fade> I wonder what there will be this time :)
Aug 31 10:02:28 <Jaffa> X-Fade: stuff is targetting
Aug 31 10:02:43 <Jaffa> s/.*/I'm led to believe "not much"/
Aug 31 10:03:01 <X-Fade> hehe
Aug 31 10:03:31 * Jaffa was halfway through a sentence before realising he didn't know how much of what Ronan said was sensitive (albeit not confidential)
Aug 31 10:07:54 <thomastp> Hi.  When I use select_iter on a HildonTouchSelector in MULTI mode, it removes the previous selection
Aug 31 10:08:02 <thomastp> how can I set the selection to two or more items at the same time ?
Aug 31 10:12:59 <DocScrutinizer> Pay 700GBP per day to watch Nokia pose?? Maybe if _they_ pay _me_ I'd do that
Aug 31 10:13:16 <jacekowski> it's £350 per day i think
Aug 31 10:13:31 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: you could be the guy storming the stage saying "OPEN BME OR I KILL A KITTEN"
Aug 31 10:13:43 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Aug 31 10:13:52 <DocScrutinizer> that costs extra
Aug 31 10:14:10 <pupnik_> i can supply kittens
Aug 31 10:15:23 <jacekowski> i could try that
Aug 31 10:18:07 <jacekowski> just wondering how hard it would be to get into that building without paying
Aug 31 10:18:40 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: find a good agent negotiating your wages for that special appearance
Aug 31 10:19:51 <jacekowski> i would have to find a cat
Aug 31 10:19:57 <jacekowski> but that's not a problem
Aug 31 10:20:37 <DocScrutinizer> grab an arbitrary Nokia dude, and dress him up with a kitten costume
Aug 31 10:21:11 <DocScrutinizer> preferably one of the managers
Aug 31 10:21:28 <DocScrutinizer> :-P
Aug 31 10:21:51 <DocScrutinizer> much better performance than with a ral kitten
Aug 31 10:21:54 <DocScrutinizer> real*
Aug 31 10:22:50 <jacekowski> nah, that would get me arrested for sure
Aug 31 10:22:53 <TomaszD> man, the transistion from resistive to capacitive is painful :(
Aug 31 10:23:14 <jacekowski> using real cat just may get me arrested
Aug 31 10:23:29 <TomaszD> I can't hover my fingers close to the screen as they register as touch ;( god damn it
Aug 31 10:23:41 <jacekowski> TomaszD: ?
Aug 31 10:23:46 <jacekowski> TomaszD: i never had that problem
Aug 31 10:23:52 <TomaszD> jacekowski, n900 -> desire
Aug 31 10:23:54 <joga> your aura's not wide enough
Aug 31 10:24:03 <jacekowski> i was using iphone
Aug 31 10:24:10 <jacekowski> and well, you had to touch the screen
Aug 31 10:24:27 <jacekowski> 0.1mm above screen and it wouldn't work
Aug 31 10:24:39 <joga> when I've tried the iphone it has seemed to have needed a pretty strong push to register
Aug 31 10:24:41 <TomaszD> it does register 0.1mm
Aug 31 10:25:01 <TomaszD> it's just too sensitivie for my liking, but I guess I'll get used to it
Aug 31 10:27:45 <DocScrutinizer> meh, c-ts. You asked for it, now live with it
Aug 31 10:40:08 <splot> MohammadAG51: you there?
Aug 31 10:40:27 <pupnik_> The US Government and the patent cartel killed Commodore Amiga! Inside scoop here!  http://xcssa.org/pipermail/xcssa/2005-February/002587.html
Aug 31 10:40:30 <pupnik_> the XOR patent!!!
Aug 31 10:42:57 <kerio> "start bme or the bunny gets it"
Aug 31 10:43:08 <splot> crashanddie: mind if I pm?
Aug 31 10:43:09 <crashanddie> kerio: i didn't know you into zoophilia
Aug 31 10:43:17 <crashanddie> splot: go ahead
Aug 31 10:43:26 <crashanddie> you were*
Aug 31 10:46:35 <Venemo> hey guys
Aug 31 10:47:37 <Venemo> I'm actually very surprised to see that there is a Maemo development course in my university
Aug 31 10:47:48 <PolarFox> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJeHHyXXS9A&feature=player_embedded now this is marketing... wtg Nokia.. :)
Aug 31 10:48:17 <Stskeeps> PolarFox: are we supposed to look at the boobs or the phone?
Aug 31 10:48:45 <PolarFox> Stskeeps: it says Nokia on both of them... soo...
Aug 31 10:48:54 <Stskeeps> it did?
Aug 31 10:48:55 <Stskeeps> :P
Aug 31 10:49:21 <PolarFox> :D
Aug 31 10:51:01 <pupnik_> Venemo: someone should ring your university and tell them about meego then
Aug 31 10:53:14 <Venemo> pupnik_: since MeeGo is not yet complete, that would be pointless
Aug 31 10:53:30 <Stskeeps> qt's
Aug 31 10:53:42 <Venemo> pupnik_: the title of the course is "Mobile Linux development", so I guess they will switch to MeeGo once it is out
Aug 31 10:54:52 <pupnik_> heh ok cool
Aug 31 10:55:31 <pupnik_> one thing about gardening is humility before the weather
Aug 31 10:56:50 <SpeedEvil> S60
Aug 31 10:56:59 <SpeedEvil> Or openmoko based
Aug 31 10:57:00 <SpeedEvil> :)
Aug 31 10:57:09 <SpeedEvil> I know some unis did buy them
Aug 31 10:58:50 <Venemo> SpeedEvil: the description clearly mentions Maemo and GTK
Aug 31 10:58:58 <SpeedEvil> k
Aug 31 10:59:48 <SpeedEvil> Venemo: Just submit something gtk based and shiny to extras now, and you then can just party.
Aug 31 10:59:58 <Venemo> SpeedEvil: haha :)
Aug 31 11:00:40 <Venemo> SpeedEvil: I'm not that familiar with Gtk, yet :)
Aug 31 11:31:26 <Venemo> SpeedEvil: although I like the idea
Aug 31 11:38:30 <Pillum> hey guys
Aug 31 11:38:50 <Pillum> I deinstalled Crochik's MyContacs
Aug 31 11:39:03 <Pillum> but now my ringtone handling is corrupted
Aug 31 11:39:21 <Pillum> sometimes a ringtone is played and sometimes not
Aug 31 11:39:41 <Pillum> and if one is played it is mostly the nokia tune
Aug 31 11:39:46 <Pillum> and not my own selected
Aug 31 11:40:18 <Pillum> I already searched on the maemo.org mycontacts thread
Aug 31 11:40:37 <Pillum> but there is nothing like this mentioned
Aug 31 11:41:17 <Pillum> what do i do?
Aug 31 11:43:08 <Pillum> hm
Aug 31 11:43:18 <Pillum> i got it maybe
Aug 31 11:44:10 <Pillum> quit
Aug 31 11:48:20 <Venemo> Pillum: ...
Aug 31 11:48:22 <Venemo> ah.
Aug 31 11:48:29 <Venemo> patience is a virtue
Aug 31 12:26:05 <bince> does any od u guys develops apps for nokia N900
Aug 31 12:26:17 <bince> does any of u guys develops apps for nokia N900
Aug 31 12:26:40 <crashanddie> lol...
Aug 31 12:26:46 <crashanddie> IT guy just came running into the office
Aug 31 12:26:48 <SpeedEvil> TRhere are a few app-developers here, yes.
Aug 31 12:27:00 <SpeedEvil> I am developing a shell-script based one.
Aug 31 12:27:07 <crashanddie> "anyone who has a UPS, please disconnect it immediately and bring it to the storage room, there's a fire risk"
Aug 31 12:27:18 <MohammadAG51> o_O
Aug 31 12:27:24 <Stskeeps> crashanddie: hehe
Aug 31 12:27:32 <SpeedEvil> Odd.
Aug 31 12:27:50 <crashanddie> First question "Fire risk, or explosion risk?" Answer: "Just bring it to the storage room"
Aug 31 12:27:58 <MohammadAG51> LOL
Aug 31 12:28:02 <xnt14> crashanddie: :P
Aug 31 12:28:25 <Shadikka> :D
Aug 31 12:30:16 <ShadowJK> And why is a UPS a fire/explosion risk?
Aug 31 12:30:23 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: batteries
Aug 31 12:30:37 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: overcharge of Lead-Acid batteries can cause explosions.
Aug 31 12:30:41 <ShadowJK> sure..
Aug 31 12:30:42 <SpeedEvil> In principle.
Aug 31 12:30:58 <SpeedEvil> If the UPS was bought as a lot, and they have a recall
Aug 31 12:30:59 <ShadowJK> I was thinking more along the lines of gas leak ignited by spark from the relay
Aug 31 12:32:53 <DocScrutinizer> anyway sounds really ridiculous
Aug 31 12:33:54 <ShadowJK> The recall sounds more likely
Aug 31 12:34:10 <SpeedEvil> Yeah.
Aug 31 12:34:12 <ShadowJK> a faulty float charger and there's a clear risk of fire or explosion
Aug 31 12:34:29 <SpeedEvil> UPS maker says 'recall, fire risk - you don't really have a choice in what to do as a company.
Aug 31 12:34:44 <SpeedEvil> Generally willfully setting fire to employees isn't covered by insurance.
Aug 31 12:36:01 <crashanddie> SpeedEvil: exactly
Aug 31 12:36:10 <crashanddie> quite frankly, I've stopped trying to fight the machine that feeds me
Aug 31 12:36:30 <crashanddie> if some guy in IT asks something, just do it -- it's a lot easier to work when the people who actually control the systems like you
Aug 31 12:36:40 <DocScrutinizer> shouldn't you fetch the bomb squad then, rather than advising everybody to carry the explosive dangerous thing around ? :-P
Aug 31 12:37:10 <crashanddie> the guy was trained to replace power cables and ethernet switches, not account for explosives
Aug 31 12:37:25 <crashanddie> it's a good thing he's actually acting, rather than liking his fingers while the phone rings
Aug 31 12:37:49 <nid0> coffee > phone ringing
Aug 31 12:37:50 <crashanddie> s/liki/licki/
Aug 31 12:37:52 <infobot> crashanddie meant: it's a good thing he's actually acting, rather than licking his fingers while the phone rings
Aug 31 12:39:29 <DocScrutinizer> also seems a quite brilliant idea to heap up all those dangerous devices in one closed room X-P
Aug 31 12:40:25 <nid0> "dangerous devices" probably = one smoked a little bit somewhere, once, while plugged in
Aug 31 12:40:37 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Aug 31 12:41:33 <jhb> Hi *, is there a way to a) enable fulltext/content search on files b) indexing of sms/texts, email, contacts on my new shiny n900? (I played around a bit with tracker.cfg, but no sucess)
Aug 31 12:42:05 <crashanddie> there's a python app that allows fulltext search on sms/texts (all conversations)
Aug 31 12:42:15 <crashanddie> but I didn't release it yet, I'm not liking what I did with the UI
Aug 31 12:42:18 <DocScrutinizer> even then I'd answer GTFO when some IT dude asks me to carry that thing around, while not explaining exactly what might happen during I'm doing that. I'd leave the room and shout at him "do it yourself, dude!"
Aug 31 12:42:23 <crashanddie> the search algorithms work fine though
Aug 31 12:42:53 <lcuk> theres another one too that was released afaik
Aug 31 12:42:59 <jhb> crashanddie: could I get a copy - I know python, would maybe teach me a lot?
Aug 31 12:43:00 <lcuk> crashanddie, i sent you a link about it
Aug 31 12:43:11 <crashanddie> lcuk: yeah, can't remember it though
Aug 31 12:43:37 <crashanddie> jhb: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58287
Aug 31 12:43:43 <crashanddie> jhb: here's another project that does the same
Aug 31 12:43:58 <lcuk> http://blogs.gnome.org/xclaesse/category/maemo/
Aug 31 12:44:39 <jhb> any hope of integrating everything into tracker / device wide search?
Aug 31 12:44:42 <lcuk> zdra and barisione really know their contacts stuff!
Aug 31 12:44:51 <jhb> crashanddie, lcuk thanks a lot!
Aug 31 12:47:29 <barisione> jhb: not the contacts
Aug 31 12:47:47 <barisione> even if you did then there would not be a UI to access all the search results
Aug 31 12:47:50 <jhb> crashanddie: scout seems to work great
Aug 31 12:48:09 <lcuk> barisione, I believe thats the sort of thing crashanddie was wanting to look at
Aug 31 12:48:27 <lcuk> i think we should get a test build out of him
Aug 31 12:48:38 <jhb> barisione: can't the address book the told to open with a specific contact?
Aug 31 12:48:40 <crashanddie> jhb: yeah, I'm currently working on using the conversations UI to display the texts and stuff
Aug 31 12:48:50 <Khertan> eE:600:KhweeteurPref.request_twitter_access_or_clear: No name 'parse_qsl' in module 'urlparse' as it s in a try/except pylint should not consider this as an error
Aug 31 12:48:51 <crashanddie> well, have been working for what, a couple of months
Aug 31 12:48:56 <jhb> barisione: or where is the problem (just trying to get my head around it)
Aug 31 12:48:58 <Khertan> oups ... sorry wrong windows
Aug 31 12:49:00 <crashanddie> it's just somewhere on a hard drive, and I haven't had time nor motivation
Aug 31 12:49:12 <lcuk> albanc and Khertan you are french, can you both try to convince crashanddie that he should release it!
Aug 31 12:49:21 <crashanddie> lmao
Aug 31 12:50:09 <jhb> crashanddie: I would _love_ to have a look at it, pretty please, cherry on top? :-)
Aug 31 12:50:13 <barisione> jhb: yeah, it canm but you still need the ui bit build by somebody. that was my only point :)
Aug 31 12:51:00 <crashanddie> jhb: don't have it here at work, and I really didn't do much more than trying to figure out the lack of documentation around the API for the UI
Aug 31 12:51:04 <jhb> barisione, would be interesting for me to learn how things work
Aug 31 12:51:16 <crashanddie> jhb: so at the moment, I managed to make a window popup, and then it randomly segfaults or displays empty
Aug 31 12:52:08 <Khertan> nope sorry ... didn't have time to convince crashanddie did you know that french are stubborn
Aug 31 12:52:12 <Khertan> :)
Aug 31 12:52:18 <jhb> crashanddie: I have done a bit of python on the e71/pys60, and am now trying to switch to something more powerfull - and I try to find my way around the APIs - so basically going the same path...
Aug 31 12:52:48 <Khertan> crashanddie, but if you want help send it to me ... i ll take a look tomorrow at the ui
Aug 31 12:52:49 <lcuk> Khertan, I know this, its why I asked other French people!
Aug 31 12:53:14 <Khertan> lcuk, yep but i decide to not do it ... so now more luck lcuk :)
Aug 31 12:53:24 <lcuk> bah
Aug 31 13:09:51 <TiagoTiago> hi
Aug 31 13:10:39 <TiagoTiago> just a quick question, what is the path to where picture taken with the default camera prog are stored?
Aug 31 13:10:59 <lcuk> /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM
Aug 31 13:11:14 <DocScrutinizer> or /media/card/DCIM
Aug 31 13:11:16 <DocScrutinizer> ??
Aug 31 13:11:20 <TiagoTiago> oh, i see, thanx
Aug 31 13:11:22 <lcuk> or if you have a memory card, I think its something like /media/mmc1/DCIM
Aug 31 13:11:28 <lcuk> yes DocScrutinizer :P
Aug 31 13:12:49 <TiagoTiago> why isn't it named "camera" like hw it shows in the camera prog?
Aug 31 13:13:02 <lcuk> TiagoTiago, that is translated title
Aug 31 13:13:10 <lcuk> DCIM is more "normal" for digital cameras
Aug 31 13:13:18 <TiagoTiago> hm
Aug 31 13:13:22 <lcuk> so plugging it into USB allows it to interact better with desktop apps
Aug 31 13:13:53 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, and translating it is done to keep users puzzled, confused, and stupid
Aug 31 13:14:17 <lcuk> users are not stupid.
Aug 31 13:14:36 <DocScrutinizer> Nokia seems to differ on that
Aug 31 13:14:43 <lcuk> users have a skillset that is not geared around ASCII
Aug 31 13:14:46 <DocScrutinizer> they think users are
Aug 31 13:16:12 <TiagoTiago> i've only seen cameras that show up as a knockoff Windows Explorer thing, kinda like a disk drive under my co
Aug 31 13:16:16 <TiagoTiago> gah
Aug 31 13:16:25 <TiagoTiago> backspace is too close to enter
Aug 31 13:17:19 <lcuk> TiagoTiago, heh i do that with laptop also
Aug 31 13:18:21 <TiagoTiago> under My Computer, except that if you open it it doesn't have a drive letter and it doesn't look nor behave quite like a regular folder/drive , somtimes hthe folder icons are different, you can't drag stuff proprerlly, somtimes it's weird like miniatures mode without space for filename etc
Aug 31 13:18:31 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, the real distance between CT and BS isn't so much different on laptop than what it is on N900. ~0 in both cases
Aug 31 13:18:43 <DocScrutinizer> CR
Aug 31 13:19:25 <kwtm> Hi.  Can someone give me pointers on how to tinker with my N900 "desktop"environment (is it called "dashboard")? E.g. in what directory do I find the icons (like email, contacts, etc.) that show up on my desktop?  I'm trying to Google but am not getting the right keywoards.
Aug 31 13:19:48 <TiagoTiago> you mean the app menu?
Aug 31 13:20:04 <lcuk> kwtm, if you want to change the theme, investigate and install a few pre made themes, they often come with icons
Aug 31 13:20:10 <TiagoTiago> I think the dashboard is when you see the miniatures of the programs running
Aug 31 13:20:14 <lcuk> then use one of those to modify
Aug 31 13:20:27 <lcuk> dashboard is the running app list
Aug 31 13:20:50 <TiagoTiago> there are the home screens, the app menu, and the dashboard, or am i wrong?
Aug 31 13:21:16 <lcuk> nope
Aug 31 13:21:51 <TiagoTiago> kinda like with windows you got the desktop, the Start menu and the taskbar, respetivelly
Aug 31 13:21:59 <DocScrutinizer> there's appstarter and there's taskswitcher?
Aug 31 13:22:30 <TiagoTiago> btw, is there an alt-tab in Maemo?
Aug 31 13:22:46 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Aug 31 13:23:04 <lcuk> default system, ctrl-backspace will take you to the dashboard
Aug 31 13:23:16 <kwtm> lcuk: Thanks for the suggestion.  I'm looking more for: "I modified an app (e.g. FreeCell4Python) and now I want to change the icon which runs the original app to run my new modified app in my own directory."  Presumably the "icon/shortcut" is actually a text file in ~/.hildon-desktop/ or something, which I can edit on my own?
Aug 31 13:23:23 <TiagoTiago> like, to switch btween progs without having to first go to the dashboard and then selecting the prog you want
Aug 31 13:23:37 <DocScrutinizer> http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html
Aug 31 13:23:38 <kwtm> Okay, so the desktop is called ... desktop?  Palmtop?  Screentop?
Aug 31 13:23:38 <pupnik_> i would like cell phones that can call each other directly
Aug 31 13:23:48 <lcuk> kwtm, right - all applications have a .desktop file which indicates which icon to use
Aug 31 13:24:05 <SpeedEvil> pupnik_: sip over ad-hoc wifi
Aug 31 13:24:26 <DocScrutinizer> TiagoTiago: ^^^ there's *real* alt-tab function
Aug 31 13:24:36 <TiagoTiago> there is probably some way over bluetooth too
Aug 31 13:25:02 <pupnik_> nice one DocScrutinizer
Aug 31 13:25:09 <TiagoTiago> if i map alt and tab to the physical keyboard and press them it works?
Aug 31 13:25:32 <MNZ> kwtm, /usr/share/applications/hildon/ look for the application's .desktop file there, and change the Exec= line
Aug 31 13:25:50 <kwtm> MNZ: Ah, there's the info I'm looking for.  Will check that directory.
Aug 31 13:25:56 <TiagoTiago> I remember reading about this prog for Symbian called btWalkieTalkie or somthing
Aug 31 13:26:00 <pupnik_> ahh well the cellphone recievers are probably not good enough to pick up other cellphone xmits over distance
Aug 31 13:26:25 <pupnik_> i was hoping to be able to call home from the supermarket directly TiagoTiago
Aug 31 13:26:29 <SpeedEvil> pupnik_: trhey are absolutely fine.
Aug 31 13:26:39 <SpeedEvil> pupnik_: The problem with that is the cellphone is a third of an invention.
Aug 31 13:26:53 <DocScrutinizer> pupnik_: (cellphones call each other) that's completely unfeasible
Aug 31 13:26:58 <lcuk> kwtm, if you are changing a specific package, you should be looking for the .desktop file within that package
Aug 31 13:26:59 <SpeedEvil> pupnik_: The other two thirds are the towers, and the scheduling and network design.
Aug 31 13:27:00 <lcuk> source
Aug 31 13:27:19 <TiagoTiago> it would be interesting if cell phones formed a secure annonymizing mesh network, only resorting to the cell towers when there are no smaller devices in range that can raeach the destination
Aug 31 13:27:19 <SpeedEvil> pupnik_: So that you do not interfere with other phones or the tower when a distant phone is due to transmit.
Aug 31 13:27:38 <pupnik_> right SpeedEvil ok nm
Aug 31 13:27:45 <kwtm> lcuk: I'm actually looking at creating new programs (e.g. a new icon to launch my shell/python script) but was going to play with modifying a package to start out.
Aug 31 13:29:13 <kwtm> MNZ: I see all the .desktop files.  In what system file do I find/modify how they appear on my desktop?  E.g. now I want to make a new ".desktop" icon appear on my desktop. or delete it.
Aug 31 13:29:37 <TiagoTiago> do you know of a program that based on the current GPS coordinates will search a database of nearby open wifi hotspots as well as cracked passwords for non-open hotspots?
Aug 31 13:30:02 <TiagoTiago> for nearby*
Aug 31 13:30:17 <lcuk> kwtm, ".desktop" files link together the display name, the icon and the command to run it
Aug 31 13:30:55 <MNZ> kwtm, AIUI you create a .desktop file in there then go to the desktop and 'Add Shortcut'
Aug 31 13:31:03 <lcuk> TiagoTiago, no password cracking on default system, gtfo out and stop asking here
Aug 31 13:31:19 <pupnik_> " I find this book to be one of the best available monograph introductions to the field of quantum cryptography" http://books.google.com/books?id=7e5-TVAm5jIC&lpg=PA66&ots=ZX7x_qsIbp&dq=broadband%20data%20transmission%20atomic%20clock&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q=broadband%20data%20transmission%20atomic%20clock&f=false
Aug 31 13:31:27 <DocScrutinizer> kwtm: you don't want to care about that. just create a new xyz.desktop and have the correct exec= and icon= lines in it, and place it to the folder MNZ told
Aug 31 13:31:44 <TiagoTiago> lol, alright
Aug 31 13:33:53 <kwtm> MNZ, DocScrutinizer: I see ... so that folder contains all possible *.desktop files, and we let Hildon manage whether it shows up on the desktop or not.  Then next question is: where do I find the icon files (presumably *.png files) themselves?  The *.desktop files give no pathname, sp presumably there is a default directory.  How do I draw my own icon and have it show up on the desktop?
Aug 31 13:34:43 <DocScrutinizer> I *think* they are somewhere in /usr/share/icons
Aug 31 13:34:45 <nid0> icons are in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/64x64/hildon
Aug 31 13:35:22 <nid0> assuming you want a 64x6x square icon
Aug 31 13:35:27 <lcuk> kwtm, widgets live in a different part but normal stance for app shortcuts (which is what you want) is to let the user decide whether to place them on his desktop
Aug 31 13:35:51 <lcuk> (or her!)
Aug 31 13:36:06 <TiagoTiago> lol, if you open a hidden image with the builtin image viewr it complains about the format but shows the image anyway
Aug 31 13:36:31 <DocScrutinizer> wtf is a hidden image?
Aug 31 13:36:52 <TiagoTiago> the file storing the imageis hidden
Aug 31 13:37:28 <DocScrutinizer> err like in .IAmHidden ?
Aug 31 13:37:36 <TiagoTiago> yeah
Aug 31 13:37:55 <DocScrutinizer> why should this be any difference when opening it?
Aug 31 13:38:04 <X-Fade> Hehe, now that must be the longest version number I've ever seen in Maemo: pinentry 0.9.0+20100830.cd29b6eb8b6db1ef3980128efda91432061c1264-0maemo1
Aug 31 13:38:08 <TiagoTiago> dunno
Aug 31 13:38:48 <kwtm> lcuk: Noted.  Will let user decide whether to place them on his/her desktop.
Aug 31 13:38:51 <TiagoTiago> hidden images don't show in the gallery, unless you open them directly, and then it's only untill you close the gallery prog
Aug 31 13:39:27 <lcuk> TiagoTiago, to be fair, its not a normal case to handle
Aug 31 13:39:36 <nid0> whats the problem with that? hidden files are only there for convenience to not show stuff you dont regularly need to see
Aug 31 13:39:44 <DocScrutinizer> mhm, this indicates tracker is obeying the semantics of leading dot in filenames. The files themselves though are completely normal
Aug 31 13:40:13 <lcuk> hell, if you try to name a Windows file ".something.png" it will shout at you and tell you "You must type a file name"
Aug 31 13:40:13 <kwtm> lcuk: I've copied a ".desktop" file to a new version, modified it, and will try adding it to my desktop (via the GUI).  In what directory should I put an icon of my own creation so it will become the icon of my new modified app, and show up when I put it on my desktop?
Aug 31 13:41:39 <nid0> kwtm: as above, /usr/share/icos/hicolor/XXxXX/hildon, where XXxXX is the size you want
Aug 31 13:41:42 <DocScrutinizer> kwtm: read scrollback, that question had been answered
Aug 31 13:42:31 <DocScrutinizer> I even still have it on my screen here
Aug 31 13:42:45 <kwtm> nid0, DocScrutinizer: You are right; I had missed those lines (thought it was part of what TiagoTiago was asking).  Thanks for  clarifying.
Aug 31 13:43:24 <kwtm> My hotel wifi connection is such that text comes out in bursts (e.g. every minute,m a burst of text shows up)
Aug 31 13:43:46 <DocScrutinizer> eew, know that
Aug 31 13:44:52 <kwtm> nid0: And the icons on the desktop are by default the 64x64 version, I take it?
Aug 31 13:45:13 <nid0> 64x64 is the standard size for links/contacts yea
Aug 31 13:47:54 <TiagoTiago> am i not suposed to be able to create a symlink to a folder in the same pareent folder?
Aug 31 13:48:37 <nid0> you should be able to fine
Aug 31 13:49:37 <TiagoTiago> does it matter the the symlink has the same name except the target is hidden (has period in the beginning) ?
Aug 31 13:49:59 <kwtm> TiagoTiago: Remember to make sure you're not in/under the MyDocs directory or somewhere else where it's VFAT.
Aug 31 13:50:16 <TiagoTiago> yep that is the issue :(
Aug 31 13:51:23 <kwtm> Making the MyDocs VFAT may make the N900 more compatible with Windows systems, but it sucks not to be able to take advantage of the Linux filesystem features like permissions and symlinks.
Aug 31 13:52:02 <kwtm> I can't even properly symlink to "~/MyDocs/.documents" from my home directory because of shell problems, and that directory name is a bummer to type out in full each time.
Aug 31 13:52:20 <pupnik_> yeah what u gonna do
Aug 31 13:52:39 <TiagoTiago> I wonder if it would be too slow to have the N900 emulate a VFAT drive while connected via USB while keeping the actual file system using a better format
Aug 31 13:52:45 <pupnik_> why not store linux/ext2 metadata in a file on the vfat partition
Aug 31 13:52:58 <kwtm> I tried doing "ln -s /home/user/MyDocs/.documents /home/user/docs", but when I do "cd docs" from home directory, the prompt shows "~/MyDocs/.documents" (even though I'm "really" in ~/docs).
Aug 31 13:53:02 <pupnik_> it might get out of sync of course
Aug 31 13:53:10 <pupnik_> but you'd try to update it intelligently
Aug 31 13:53:59 <kwtm> If I then do "cd ..", I jump from "~/MyDocs/.documents" to "~" (even though I only asked to go up one directory level) because I'm actually in "~/docs", not "~/MyDocs/.documents".
Aug 31 13:54:45 <kwtm> I think the solution to all my problems (including that nasty one where the N900 becomes useless until reflashed) is to use Bash instead.  I hope there's a package for Bash for N900.
Aug 31 13:56:06 <TiagoTiago> i think i saw somthing like "bash3 for Maemo" or somthing in the repos, never got the guts to install it
Aug 31 13:56:18 <lcuk> kwtm, if its just for you, you could resize the partitions and connect using ssh to your linux system..
Aug 31 13:57:27 <DocScrutinizer> kwtm: there is a proper bash package
Aug 31 13:57:36 <DocScrutinizer> kwtm: apt-get install bash
Aug 31 13:58:15 <kwtm> lcuk: ? Not sure what you mean.  I think you mean: don't use the MyDocs filesystem and just use the one mounted on root.  Agree, but will try to leave that option for later resort and, for now, try to use the system as is.  It's not that big of a problem.
Aug 31 13:58:16 <TiagoTiago> is there anything i should know before installing that?
Aug 31 13:58:28 <kwtm> DocScrutinizer: Thanks for the info!
Aug 31 13:58:58 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, doesnt bash conflict and stuff, or is that only if you change the default, or has that been fixed now?
Aug 31 13:59:30 <DocScrutinizer> aiui it's only when you change user default shell
Aug 31 14:00:04 <TiagoTiago> ?
Aug 31 14:00:10 <DocScrutinizer> kwtm: nevertheless you probably also want apt-get install coreutils-gnu less findutils...
Aug 31 14:00:29 <DocScrutinizer> then add /usr/bin/gnu to your path
Aug 31 14:00:45 <kwtm> DocScrutinizer: Ahh, I didn't know less was in a different package.  I already installed coreutils-gnu.
Aug 31 14:01:38 <kwtm> DocScrutinizer: I have /usr/bin/gnu in my path, but only at the end.  There was some conflict with how one of them behaved compared to the default package.
Aug 31 14:01:47 <DocScrutinizer> kwtm: a special candy: apt-get install mandb-n900
Aug 31 14:03:05 <DocScrutinizer> what conflict?
Aug 31 14:03:11 <jacekowski> 15:59 < ball> Someone should build a lifesize "Farmville Experience"...they could even put live animals, crops etc. on it!
Aug 31 14:03:14 <TiagoTiago> " Couldn't find package mandb-n900" :/
Aug 31 14:03:14 <jacekowski> 15:59 < ball> ...oh hang on, that's a farm.
Aug 31 14:03:31 <TiagoTiago> lol
Aug 31 14:10:02 <jcrawford> does the N900 have WRT on it?
Aug 31 14:11:18 <jacekowski> WRT?
Aug 31 14:12:11 <jcrawford> web runtime
Aug 31 14:12:14 <jcrawford> js/css apps
Aug 31 14:12:21 <jcrawford> rather than coding an app in say C
Aug 31 14:12:40 <crashanddie> jacekowski: that joke must be as old as real tv
Aug 31 14:13:18 <Flyser> jcrawford: I don't think so
Aug 31 14:13:34 <Flyser> jcrawford: is that what webOS is using?
Aug 31 14:13:57 <jacekowski> no
Aug 31 14:14:07 <jacekowski> webos has normal apps
Aug 31 14:14:20 <jacekowski> jcrawford: n900 browser has js and css and flash
Aug 31 14:14:44 <Flyser> jacekowski: WebOS apps are written in javascript and html. at least most of them
Aug 31 14:14:45 <TiagoTiago> js but no java
Aug 31 14:15:17 <Flyser> TiagoTiago: who cares about java? is anyone still using that for web development?
Aug 31 14:16:15 * fdsfsd http://pro.revenge.lv  PRO.REVENGE.LV:27015 cs 1.6 JOIN JOIN!!!
Aug 31 14:16:34 <TiagoTiago> there are some stuff i use on mhy Windows machine i can't with the N900, i mean some sites got stuff that doesn't work without java
Aug 31 14:18:03 <Flyser> I've disabled java on my desktop machine since years and never came across a site that didn't work because of that
Aug 31 14:18:53 <joga> Flyser: some banks use java on their sites
Aug 31 14:19:09 <tank-man> i came across a pdf form I had to have java before I could access that pdf. was a form for the canadian gov.
Aug 31 14:19:18 <Flyser> I don't trust online banking
Aug 31 14:19:21 <TiagoTiago> this: http://dan-ball.jp/en/javagame/dust/
Aug 31 14:19:43 <joga> (for example, a major bank in finland (owned by the danish) does
Aug 31 14:20:09 <nid0> sadly I need java for work sometimes, our vps platform's integrated management console uses it
Aug 31 14:20:35 <nid0> on that note, so do a lot of kvm-ip systems
Aug 31 14:24:52 <jacekowski> joga: i'm happy user of a bank that works even on links
Aug 31 14:25:08 <jacekowski> joga: or any other text browser with basic plain html support
Aug 31 14:25:09 <joga> jacekowski, well, they do have their backup connection that probably does too :)
Aug 31 14:26:20 <joga> the java thing is a bit scary...it uses the native interface and for example creates some directory in your $HOME
Aug 31 14:26:40 <joga> I switched banks when they rolled out their new online banking solution :)
Aug 31 14:27:08 <jacekowski> well, my bank did the same not so long ago
Aug 31 14:27:13 <jacekowski> still html and css and stuff
Aug 31 14:27:19 <jacekowski> but they added some ajax stuff
Aug 31 14:27:29 <jacekowski> but it's still working fine on links
Aug 31 14:27:34 <joga> that's nice
Aug 31 14:27:41 <joga> (I prefer elinks though)
Aug 31 14:29:10 <DocScrutinizer> kwtm: you might want to look at http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Aug 31 14:30:10 <kW> Hello! Does anybody know how to tell the N900 to export the _internal flash_ partition as USB mass storage device to the USB host even if an external flash partition (microSDHC) is available?
Aug 31 14:30:41 <jacekowski> it exports both
Aug 31 14:30:51 <nid0> unless im misunderstanding you, by just selecting mass storage mode.
Aug 31 14:30:54 <nid0> it makes both available
Aug 31 14:33:10 <kW> well, you are actually right... it just did not work at the first attempt...
Aug 31 14:39:22 <TiagoTiago> anyway, thx for all, cya
Aug 31 14:50:21 <PBeck> hi
Aug 31 14:51:29 <MNZ> PBeck, hello and welcome to the #maemo helpdesk! Please state your question/problem and stand by for a response.
Aug 31 14:51:46 <PBeck> uh a new bot? :>
Aug 31 14:52:12 <MohammadAG> PBeck, human based
Aug 31 14:52:14 <MNZ> thank you, please stand by.
Aug 31 14:52:45 <PBeck> how can i find out which dependancy my python application has?
Aug 31 14:52:49 <jcrawford> Flyser, yes that is what WebOS uses and many other Nokia devices
Aug 31 14:52:54 <PBeck> MohammadAG: nice thank you :)
Aug 31 14:52:54 <kerio> PBeck: run it :<
Aug 31 14:53:00 <kerio> MNZ: is there a god?
Aug 31 14:53:11 <kerio> MNZ: is there a meaning of life?
Aug 31 14:53:16 <MohammadAG> kerio, fu, the bot was working properly
Aug 31 14:53:18 <kerio> MNZ: does P=NP?
Aug 31 14:53:31 <DocScrutinizer> lo PBeck MohammadAG
Aug 31 14:53:32 <kerio> (the last one tests the internet capabilities of the bot)
Aug 31 14:53:35 <MNZ> kerio, my infinite processing powers have come to a conclusion.
Aug 31 14:53:38 <MNZ> 42
Aug 31 14:53:45 <PBeck> hi DocScrutinizer
Aug 31 14:53:48 <kerio> fail
Aug 31 14:53:49 <kerio> :|
Aug 31 14:53:54 <kerio> that's not the meaning of life
Aug 31 14:53:54 <Flyser> jcrawford: I don't think the maemo supports it, but I might be wrong
Aug 31 14:54:04 <MNZ> kerio, I assure you, you are mistaken.
Aug 31 14:54:06 <PBeck> kerio: thats not the best solution i have hoped i can see it anywhere => http://nopaste.info/e42d71a07d.html
Aug 31 14:54:08 <kerio> that's the answer to the question about life, the universe and everything
Aug 31 14:54:23 <kerio> PBeck: you need pyqy
Aug 31 14:54:25 <kerio> er
Aug 31 14:54:26 <kerio> pyqt
Aug 31 14:54:34 <kerio> MNZ: what's the question?
Aug 31 14:54:37 <MohammadAG> can anyone help with the conversion of 5 lines of Python to native C?
Aug 31 14:54:48 <kerio> MohammadAG: why would you do that :'(
Aug 31 14:55:00 <MNZ> kerio, it seems that you are very confused. I will help you. I have just sent 2 terminators back in time to 'help' you. Please stand by.
Aug 31 14:55:09 <MohammadAG> Cause pulling in python for a damn small script is retarded
Aug 31 14:55:24 <SpeedEvil> script where?
Aug 31 14:55:24 <MohammadAG> plus C requires less memory :P
Aug 31 14:55:38 <lcuk> MohammadAG, just paste it :P
Aug 31 14:55:41 * lcuk dares you
Aug 31 14:55:52 <PBeck> from this paste => i think i need the following => python2.5, python2.5-qt4-common, python2.5-qt4-core, python2.5-qt4.gui
Aug 31 14:56:03 * MohammadAG will not disappoint his followers
Aug 31 14:56:05 <MohammadAG> import dbus
Aug 31 14:56:06 <MohammadAG> bus = dbus.SessionBus()
Aug 31 14:56:06 <MohammadAG> proxy = bus.get_object('org.freedesktop.Notifications', '/org/freedesktop/Notifications')
Aug 31 14:56:06 <MohammadAG> interface = dbus.Interface(proxy,dbus_interface='org.freedesktop.Notifications')
Aug 31 14:56:06 <MohammadAG> interface.Notify('Notification', 0, 'app_install_error', 'Main title', 'Small description', [], {}, 10000)
Aug 31 14:56:18 <MohammadAG> lcuk, go back to coding :P
Aug 31 14:56:28 <lcuk> i am talking actually
Aug 31 14:56:38 <MohammadAG> stop talking and start coding! :P
Aug 31 14:56:50 <SpeedEvil> That's not 5 lines of python
Aug 31 14:56:54 <SpeedEvil> that's several hundred
Aug 31 14:57:01 <SpeedEvil> you can't count import as one line
Aug 31 14:57:10 <MohammadAG> lol
Aug 31 14:57:22 <MohammadAG> inport translates to include :P
Aug 31 14:57:25 <MohammadAG> import*
Aug 31 14:57:27 <SpeedEvil> Well - yes.
Aug 31 14:57:32 <SpeedEvil> But still.
Aug 31 14:57:38 <SpeedEvil> Ok.
Aug 31 14:57:44 <MohammadAG> :P
Aug 31 14:57:47 <SpeedEvil> #include "dbus.h"
Aug 31 14:57:59 <SpeedEvil> void main(){go()};
Aug 31 14:58:04 <SpeedEvil> 2 lines.
Aug 31 14:58:31 <MNZ> heh, even two lines and you make a syntax error :P
Aug 31 14:58:39 <MNZ> void main(){go();}
Aug 31 14:58:46 <SpeedEvil> I'm tired.
Aug 31 14:58:51 <jhb> isn't pynotify available as well?
Aug 31 14:59:01 <SpeedEvil> I have been refabricating my greenhouse doors.
Aug 31 14:59:25 <MNZ> SpeedEvil, hasn't it been 3 days already with this whole thing you are doing to your house?
Aug 31 14:59:38 <SpeedEvil> umm - what?
Aug 31 14:59:45 <SpeedEvil> It's been 2 years.
Aug 31 14:59:52 <SpeedEvil> On and off.
Aug 31 15:00:21 <MNZ> Well I was talking about the fish tank leakage specifically, but looks like that's unrelated
Aug 31 15:00:32 <SpeedEvil> ah
Aug 31 15:00:47 <SpeedEvil> yes  - I have limited energy - and there is way too much shit in here.
Aug 31 15:00:56 <SpeedEvil> So moving it around is not one days job
Aug 31 15:01:55 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: seems you muted MohammadAG with your adaption of shortest C program contest winner of all times
Aug 31 15:02:24 <MohammadAG> MNZ, you're not new here?
Aug 31 15:02:36 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, router died :P
Aug 31 15:02:44 <MohammadAG> Static IPs FTW
Aug 31 15:02:45 <MNZ> MohammadAG, been about a week or so here
Aug 31 15:03:33 <MNZ> On other unrelated but more on-topic news: I give up.
Aug 31 15:03:43 <MNZ> (re: audio codec)
Aug 31 15:03:46 <DocScrutinizer> NAAAAH
Aug 31 15:04:02 <DocScrutinizer> why???
Aug 31 15:04:04 <lizardo> MohammadAG: maybe some has mentioned this... have you tried calling dbus-send ?
Aug 31 15:04:20 <MohammadAG> not a dbus expert, any ideas how?
Aug 31 15:04:39 <DocScrutinizer> dbus-send --help would be a good start
Aug 31 15:05:13 <MNZ> There's a de-emphasis filter separate from the effects filter, it's much simpler and with the default coefficients acts as a low-pass filter. This can be "easily" programmed to work as a high pass filter for speaker protection, thus not needing PA equalizer
Aug 31 15:05:38 <DocScrutinizer> MNZ: yup, I know
Aug 31 15:05:50 <MNZ> Only thing is, even this 'simple' filter, I cannot grok. Never mind the full blown IIR effects filter.
Aug 31 15:05:59 <Khertan> MohammadAG, what are you trying to do ?
Aug 31 15:06:21 <MohammadAG> show that dialog without pulling in python
Aug 31 15:06:23 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, that's advanced master level of math
Aug 31 15:06:34 <MNZ> so unless someone can give me the magic numbers for using the deemphasis filter as a high pass, then that's that....
Aug 31 15:07:26 <DocScrutinizer> MNZ: bring it to the point where you write random nonsense to the relevant registers, and then test it does *anything* ?
Aug 31 15:07:43 <MNZ> DocScrutinizer, I already tried the filter, with the default coeffs
Aug 31 15:07:54 <DocScrutinizer> so we could very easily pick up whenever we find a math wizard
Aug 31 15:07:55 <MNZ> It does what they say it does, low pass filter.
Aug 31 15:08:54 <DocScrutinizer> MNZ: so start a project, document what you got so far, and ask for help from others savvy in IIR math voodoo
Aug 31 15:09:12 <MNZ> right now it's just a switch to turn on/off, for testing. I was going to then make it turn on automatically for speaker output and turn off for headphones.
Aug 31 15:09:42 <MNZ> DocScrutinizer, tmo is good place for this?
Aug 31 15:09:49 <DocScrutinizer> MNZ: you should go public with that
Aug 31 15:09:58 <DocScrutinizer> garage is a good place for this
Aug 31 15:11:32 <DocScrutinizer> register an account on garage.maemo.org (if not yet done), then go thru the "paperwork" to register a project
Aug 31 15:11:44 <DocScrutinizer> it's less painful than it might sound
Aug 31 15:11:54 <MNZ> btw, there's mafw-gst-eq-renderer, so once the math part is done I think I would just need to contact the writer of that to hook it up to the new alsa controls
Aug 31 15:12:09 <MNZ> (talking about the EQ)
Aug 31 15:12:21 <DocScrutinizer> yup, nice :-D
Aug 31 15:12:29 <MNZ> DocScrutinizer, yeah I'm registered already, will start a project I guess
Aug 31 15:12:58 <X-Fade> MNZ: And the author of mafw-gst-eq-renderer will probably be quite interested, as he is quite active.
Aug 31 15:13:18 <pog> can somebody quickly explain what is r&D mode? Is there a starttutorial, so I can quickly gain an overview, over the possibilty of the N900. Particularly to use as a Linuxmachine.
Aug 31 15:13:39 <MNZ> X-Fade, I hope that's for real and you didn't actually forget the sarcasm tag :D
Aug 31 15:13:45 <X-Fade> pog: you don't need it.
Aug 31 15:13:54 <X-Fade> MNZ: No, not kidding this time.
Aug 31 15:13:59 <MNZ> sweet
Aug 31 15:14:04 <DocScrutinizer> prozzerg: N900 *is* a linux machine
Aug 31 15:14:11 <pog> I saw that gainroot allows root access, which seems enough to me.
Aug 31 15:14:13 <DocScrutinizer> err
Aug 31 15:14:22 <X-Fade> pog: install rootsh
Aug 31 15:14:29 <DocScrutinizer> pog: ^^^
Aug 31 15:15:18 <pog> anyway, it would be nice, to now e bit more about the machine und it's theoretical possiblityes, but rootaccess ist o.k. for now.
Aug 31 15:17:29 <julian__> can someone tell me how to delete all sd card partitions with n900
Aug 31 15:18:06 <DocScrutinizer> julian__: on uSD?
Aug 31 15:18:34 <xnt14> Khertan: if I install khweeteur from source with a certain setup.py option will it remove the debug trace?
Aug 31 15:19:31 <julian__> uSD?
Aug 31 15:19:44 <DocScrutinizer> microSD card
Aug 31 15:19:47 <julian__> yes
Aug 31 15:19:50 <DocScrutinizer> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk1 bs=1k count=1
Aug 31 15:20:26 <julian__> let me give that a try
Aug 31 15:20:46 <RST38h> <yawn>
Aug 31 15:20:52 <DocScrutinizer> that's deleting the partition table, but not the data on the card which still could be recovered
Aug 31 15:21:36 <lardman> afternoon all
Aug 31 15:21:46 <julian__> ok. i just want to get rid of everything
Aug 31 15:21:53 <Khertan> xnt14, nope
Aug 31 15:21:58 <DocScrutinizer> julian__: then open and close battery cover - to remount the device
Aug 31 15:22:14 <xnt14> Khertan: damn...
Aug 31 15:22:29 <DocScrutinizer> ooh, get definitely rid so nobody can recover? I.E. wipe?
Aug 31 15:22:49 <xnt14> Khertan: khweeteur is too slow, most likely because I have a massive timeline... perhaps optimize the timeline display?
Aug 31 15:23:30 <DocScrutinizer> julian__: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk1 bs=1M count=<size of card in megbyte>
Aug 31 15:24:09 <SpeedEvil> For get rid so nobody can ever read - snap it in half
Aug 31 15:24:12 <DocScrutinizer> julian__: will wipe whole data on card completely. This is not necessary unless you have privacy issues with that data
Aug 31 15:24:22 <tobis87> Hi! What does pwr_key stand for in /proc/bootreason?
Aug 31 15:24:45 <julian__> i got 1+0 in and out
Aug 31 15:24:52 <SpeedEvil> power key
Aug 31 15:24:56 <SpeedEvil> I would guess
Aug 31 15:25:14 <lardman> anyone tried installing the latest SDK on 64bit Ubuntu?
Aug 31 15:25:55 <tobis87> ok, this is correct, i thought it could also give info about irq or dma problems...
Aug 31 15:26:15 <tobis87> i issued the command: modprobe omap-aes; modprobe dm-crypt; cryptsetup -c aes-cbc-essiv:rmd128 -s128 -d /dev/urandom create swap /dev/mmcblk0p3; mkswap /dev/mapper/swap; modprobe ramzswap memlimit_kb=32768 backing_swap=/dev/mapper/swap && sleep 1; swapon -a (with /dev/ramzswap0 in fstab)
Aug 31 15:26:39 <tobis87> it worked, but the screen didn't want to wake up, after it went into powersaving
Aug 31 15:27:38 <tobis87> i will test it again without acceleration, but i'm now to scared to put that into rcS-late
Aug 31 15:27:47 <MNZ> suggestions on a 'unixname' for the kernel audio codec driver patch?
Aug 31 15:28:09 <Khertan> xnt14, what you mean by a massive timeline ?
Aug 31 15:28:22 <Khertan> xnt14, did you try with 0.0.20 ?
Aug 31 15:28:26 <xnt14> Khertan: hmm
Aug 31 15:28:27 <xnt14> no
Aug 31 15:28:29 <xnt14> I'll update now
Aug 31 15:28:52 <DocScrutinizer> MNZ: AIC34-EQ
Aug 31 15:29:17 <DocScrutinizer> iirc
Aug 31 15:29:54 <DocScrutinizer> MNZ: or s/AIC34/<whatever_the_name_of_codec>/
Aug 31 15:30:42 <MNZ> yeah it's aic34. I was going with a descriptive full name of 'Audio Codec Kernel Driver Patch' though. Too much?
Aug 31 15:31:19 <DocScrutinizer> not sure about that, I think a description comes later
Aug 31 15:31:45 <DocScrutinizer> there's pretty good help texts to each of the project var fields
Aug 31 15:32:07 <Khertan> xnt14, :)
Aug 31 15:32:14 <MNZ> Yes: You should start with specifying the name of your project. The "Full Name" is descriptive, and has no arbitrary restrictions (except a 40 character limit).
Aug 31 15:32:26 <DocScrutinizer> incl suggestions on min/max char
Aug 31 15:32:59 <DocScrutinizer> full name isn't unix name though?
Aug 31 15:33:43 <MNZ> no, different things. Full name is more descriptive and with no restrictions
Aug 31 15:33:59 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
Aug 31 15:34:16 <MNZ> meh, it doesn't matter, just going with AIC34 Hardware EQ
Aug 31 15:34:58 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, as engineer, shouldn't all CPUs have a damn temperature sensor?
Aug 31 15:35:02 <MohammadAG> imma sue HP
Aug 31 15:37:29 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: for CPUs that *need* active cooling they for sure should have some way to tell system "please more fan"
Aug 31 15:37:57 <pog> I guess, bevor installing rootsh, I try to install an ssh-deamon.
Aug 31 15:38:26 <DocScrutinizer> if the CPU is designed for passive cooling, and has autothrottle to avoid overheating, then a temp sensor isn't mandatory (though nice to have)
Aug 31 15:39:17 <MohammadAG> I doubt a laptop has passive cooling
Aug 31 15:39:24 <xnt14> Khertan: it works better :)
Aug 31 15:39:26 <MohammadAG> since the fans are actually controlled
Aug 31 15:39:29 <Khertan> xnt14,  :)
Aug 31 15:39:30 <DocScrutinizer> usualy not :-D
Aug 31 15:39:47 <Khertan> xnt14, i'm happy to heard that !
Aug 31 15:39:48 <MohammadAG> but there's nothing in sysfs that shows temp
Aug 31 15:40:04 <DocScrutinizer> then that's a fault of kernel maybe
Aug 31 15:40:04 <xnt14> Khertan: :)
Aug 31 15:40:36 <xnt14> MohammadAG: hmm, usually, the bios controls the fans, unless the manufacturer was evil and left it to a proprietay windows software...
Aug 31 15:40:46 <pog> i still have problems to scale the screen, altough there is a yourube-video how to do...
Aug 31 15:40:47 * DocScrutinizer slaps MohammadAG around with I2Ctools/sensors package
Aug 31 15:40:48 <xnt14> MohammadAG: on HPs, the bios controls them
Aug 31 15:40:58 <xnt14> DocScrutinizer: lm-sensors?
Aug 31 15:41:33 <MohammadAG> sec
Aug 31 15:41:37 <MohammadAG> restarting wifi
Aug 31 15:41:45 <MohammadAG> or not, nvm
Aug 31 15:42:08 <DocScrutinizer> xnt14: yeah lm-sensors
Aug 31 15:42:23 <MohammadAG> lm-sensors is already the newest version.
Aug 31 15:43:08 <xnt14> DocScrutinizer: another question: on my XPS 600, if I up the fan speed a tiny bit, the CPU fans go upto crazy RPMs, it sounds like a damn jet engine. I'm using i8kutils. why does this happen?
Aug 31 15:43:29 <DocScrutinizer> It doesn't help to keep the thing in your pocket, you have to *use* it :-P
Aug 31 15:43:43 <xnt14> The RPM keeps on increasing, It never stops, I was afraid it would burn, so it put it back to normal
Aug 31 15:43:48 <xnt14> lol
Aug 31 15:43:53 <xnt14> its a giant desktop
Aug 31 15:43:55 <xnt14> :P
Aug 31 15:44:10 <MohammadAG> do what I did on a loud desktop once
Aug 31 15:44:16 <julian__> DocScrutinizer: Now the memory card is recognized but unsupported format
Aug 31 15:44:16 <MohammadAG> accidentally pull the fan cable
Aug 31 15:44:29 <tobis87> MohammadAG: run sensors-detect, you might want to load some sensor modules on boot.
Aug 31 15:44:35 <DocScrutinizer> julian__: wasn't that what you wanted?
Aug 31 15:44:41 <julian__> yes
Aug 31 15:44:45 <xnt14> MohammadAG: um, if I do that on my XPS it starts beeping.. :P
Aug 31 15:44:49 <DocScrutinizer> julian__: now go to hildon file manager and select "format card"
Aug 31 15:45:09 <julian__> ok
Aug 31 15:45:21 <MohammadAG> Sorry, no sensors were detected.
Aug 31 15:45:22 <MohammadAG> This is relatively common on laptops, where thermal management is
Aug 31 15:45:22 <MohammadAG> handled by ACPI rather than the OS.
Aug 31 15:45:44 <tobis87> MohammadAG: which cpu do you have?
Aug 31 15:45:54 <MohammadAG> 520M
Aug 31 15:45:55 <xnt14> tobis87: core i5
Aug 31 15:45:58 <MohammadAG> that ^
Aug 31 15:45:59 <xnt14> ah, :P
Aug 31 15:46:02 <DocScrutinizer> xnt14: no idea. There might be several reasons for such behaviour
Aug 31 15:46:17 <xnt14> DocScrutinizer: k
Aug 31 15:46:38 <DocScrutinizer> xnt14: without additional info / data I can't tell anything
Aug 31 15:46:40 <tobis87> For core duo and core quad, loading coretemp was required
Aug 31 15:46:46 <tobis87> the module coretemp
Aug 31 15:46:57 <DocScrutinizer> It doesn't help to keep the thing in your pocket, you have to *use* it :-P
Aug 31 15:47:06 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: ^^^ :-P
Aug 31 15:47:07 <tobis87> might work as well on core i5
Aug 31 15:48:03 <xnt14> tobis87: how about a pentium d?
Aug 31 15:48:12 <xnt14> DocScrutinizer: any command that I can pastebin?
Aug 31 15:48:16 <MohammadAG> FATAL: Error inserting coretemp (/lib/modules/2.6.32-24-generic/kernel/drivers/hwmon/coretemp.ko): No such device
Aug 31 15:48:20 <xnt14> s/command/commands
Aug 31 15:48:22 <tobis87> xnt14: mom, i
Aug 31 15:48:37 <xnt14> tobis87: ?
Aug 31 15:48:38 <tobis87> answer a call
Aug 31 15:48:49 <Flyser> kernel is too old?
Aug 31 15:49:08 <xnt14> tobis87: ah, k
Aug 31 15:49:22 <DocScrutinizer> xnt14: just observe cpu temp ( hehe :-D ), if it goes down while fans spin up, it's a bios bug. If it rises then it's a mech airflow issue
Aug 31 15:49:38 <xnt14> DocScrutinizer: ok
Aug 31 15:49:49 <xnt14> hmm, lately, cpu temp stays at -22 C...
Aug 31 15:50:10 <DocScrutinizer> eer, are you at sibiria?
Aug 31 15:50:30 <xnt14> DocScrutinizer: iunno, the CPU exaust feels like an AC...
Aug 31 15:50:31 <xnt14> :P
Aug 31 15:50:45 <xnt14> apparently, thats the reading from i8k
Aug 31 15:51:33 <DocScrutinizer> I suspect you got yourself a monster with nitrogen cooling -you evil overclocker :-P
Aug 31 15:52:03 <xnt14> DocScrutinizer: lol, no :P
Aug 31 15:52:12 <xnt14> its not even overclocked
Aug 31 15:52:17 <xnt14> 2.80Ghz stock
Aug 31 15:52:18 <MohammadAG> #ubuntu is such a retarded channel :P
Aug 31 15:52:54 <DocScrutinizer> well buntkuh means colored cow
Aug 31 15:53:30 <DocScrutinizer> so what do you expect on a chan where colored cows meet
Aug 31 15:53:38 <pog> when I enter internet, there are 5 tabs visible. I'm wondring wether these tabs are "open tabs" or the last used. I'm wondring where I finde at "Beginners Tutorial" just for basic use.
Aug 31 15:53:51 <tobis87> MohammadAG: Maybe this helps, http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-220570.html
Aug 31 15:54:52 <DocScrutinizer> pog: eh? talking about connections on N900?
Aug 31 15:56:33 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer: I didn't know ubuntu was indian :P
Aug 31 15:59:25 <julian__> DocScrutinizer
Aug 31 15:59:45 <julian__> DocScrutinizer: the file manager isnt formatting the card. anything else I can try?
Aug 31 16:01:29 <tobis87> xnt14: there is not much support for lga775 as it seems: http://www.lm-sensors.org/search?q=lga775&noquickjump=1&ticket=on&changeset=on&wiki=on
Aug 31 16:03:08 <DocScrutinizer> julian__: install cfdisk and use it, or try to find a manpage for sfdisk which is installed on the device, and use it. Or simply partition&format it on your desktop PC, whatever that may be
Aug 31 16:03:47 <DocScrutinizer> bbl
Aug 31 16:03:57 <julian__> im going to try gparted
Aug 31 16:04:17 <DocScrutinizer> sounds good, yep
Aug 31 16:04:54 <DocScrutinizer> create one large VFAT partiton, as that's probably what you want
Aug 31 16:05:41 <xnt14> tobis87: ah... hmm
Aug 31 16:06:17 <xnt14> tobis87: I already have CPU temp from i8k but it doesn't look like its accurate
Aug 31 16:06:21 <xnt14> -22 C / -8 F
Aug 31 16:08:07 <tobis87> xnt14: what is the driver called? you might want to search with the driver name here: http://marc.info/?l=lm-sensors&r=1&w=2
Aug 31 16:08:17 <tobis87> for updates
Aug 31 16:08:48 <xnt14> tobis87: k
Aug 31 16:12:24 <hrw> xnt14: dell laptop?
Aug 31 16:13:48 <lardman> re
Aug 31 16:14:03 <xnt14> hrw: dell desktop
Aug 31 16:14:13 * lardman is not fond of the Ubuntu installer
Aug 31 16:14:54 <hrw> lardman: use alternative one
Aug 31 16:15:17 <hrw> xnt14: sudo sensors-detect then
Aug 31 16:15:35 <lardman> hi hrw
Aug 31 16:16:13 <tobis87> hrw: (18:03:57) xnt14: tobis87: I already have CPU temp from i8k but it doesn't look like its accurate (18:04:01) xnt14: -22 C / -8 F
Aug 31 16:16:33 <hrw> lardman: I do not know how it looks in maverick but lucid had ubuntu one or alternative (which is good old debian one)
Aug 31 16:16:37 <hrw> tobis87: I saw it
Aug 31 16:16:55 <hrw> tobis87: i8k is old driver which should vanish for most of machines
Aug 31 16:17:21 <pog> DocScrutinizer: yeh, I will whatch a few other youtube videos, I have to get used to this logic.
Aug 31 16:17:22 <tobis87> hrw: i'm sure he only needs to compile the correct module, with some patch... it is called i8k?
Aug 31 16:17:33 <lardman> hrw: It's more than I'm afraid of what it will do to my Win7 installation, it doesn't seem to detect new disks with no partition table which worries me
Aug 31 16:17:37 <hrw> tobis87: i8k is for old dell laptops
Aug 31 16:17:54 <hrw> lardman: ubuntu or debian installer?
Aug 31 16:17:59 <lardman> ubuntu
Aug 31 16:18:42 <hrw> report bug and use debian installer
Aug 31 16:18:49 <xnt14> hrw: k
Aug 31 16:19:10 <lardman> hrw: yeah
Aug 31 16:19:55 <tobis87> hell yes, hardware encryption reduces the load from kcryptd from 30% to 10%, if there would be the freezing, but well the driver is quite new from 20.08, speed is half of the normal speed with aes-128
Aug 31 16:20:02 <xnt14> brb
Aug 31 16:20:12 <hrw> xnt14: "sudo sensors-detect" will try driver by driver - if will not find any then you are out of luck
Aug 31 16:26:33 <tobis87> xnt14: http://www.easylinux.de/Artikel/ausgabe/2003/12/068-shell-tipps/index.html under Schritt 5, it says if  value 7 and 8 show negative values (-22) , the driver can't detect the speed of the fan... the forth value should be the temperature in celcius
Aug 31 16:27:58 <hrw> tobis87: and article is from 2003...
Aug 31 16:29:40 <tobis87> yes, well the pentium d is not much newer, it is still the same driver... maybe the widget which reads the temperature, reads the wrong value
Aug 31 16:29:43 <hrw> i8k was written for laptops. old ones
Aug 31 16:29:49 <hrw> maybe
Aug 31 16:30:12 <hrw> anyway time for me
Aug 31 16:31:37 <Khertan> lol cpu Temp 42°C
Aug 31 16:31:39 <Khertan> :)
Aug 31 16:33:55 <AcTiVaTe> hzm, just added my bt mouse and kbd but is there any option needed to be set for bt-kbd-remap ?
Aug 31 16:35:12 <AcTiVaTe> it says pc105 for model when I run it and I think that's correct
Aug 31 16:35:40 <wazd> hello everyone
Aug 31 16:36:12 <AcTiVaTe> heya
Aug 31 16:58:07 <johnsq> Hi
Aug 31 17:06:17 <Jaffa> GAN900: Seen Karsten's mail? :(
Aug 31 17:07:40 <MohammadAG> Sts?
Aug 31 17:07:51 <Stskeeps> no, i'm with c
Aug 31 17:22:01 <rmrfchik> wow.. what a warm accept of Vexed on t.m.o ;)
Aug 31 17:22:04 <rmrfchik> didn't expect it ;)
Aug 31 17:31:47 <frals> bah gstreamer cli looks messy
Aug 31 17:35:14 <Elleo> frals: not especially, putting together a gstreamer pipeline at the command line is a lot like just setting up a bunch of unix applications piping to one another
Aug 31 17:35:26 <tobis87> frals: did you had time to look into hw accel? there are still a lot of bugs, 256-bit causes the module to oops and an encrypted swap causes the device to not come back from powersaving (black screen)
Aug 31 17:35:36 <Elleo> $elementname parameters ! $element2 ! element3, etc.
Aug 31 17:36:24 <tobis87> while it does come back, if encryption is used without accel.
Aug 31 17:37:51 <frals> tobis87: not had time at all im afraid
Aug 31 17:37:59 <frals> Elleo: bah, looks messy :P
Aug 31 17:38:42 <tobis87> i already wrote the maintainer, but why is everything so slow... i might consider to resend the email on linux-crypto-vger, hell what do they do at nokia? i thought they want to ship the driver with their new producs!
Aug 31 17:39:30 <tobis87> i mean the first time to linux-crypto-vger, wrote him in private before.
Aug 31 17:41:04 <RST38h> moo all
Aug 31 17:42:35 <MNZ> moo
Aug 31 17:42:53 <crashanddie> Khertan: is khweeter available on one of your repos?
Aug 31 17:43:05 <MNZ> DocScrutinizer, http://www.musicdsp.org/files/Audio-EQ-Cookbook.txt there is hope :D
Aug 31 17:43:16 <MNZ> There's also a lot of googling to ensue....
Aug 31 17:44:38 <Khertan>  crashanddie extras-devel
Aug 31 17:44:54 <Khertan> crashanddie, my repository is more stable than extras-devel
Aug 31 17:45:11 <crashanddie> Khertan: that's why I want your repository
Aug 31 17:50:18 <crashanddie> Khertan: apt-get is giving gpg errors for your repo
Aug 31 17:51:40 <crashanddie> and apt-get doesn't find khweeteur
Aug 31 17:58:14 <mece> khweeteur is in devel, isn't it?
Aug 31 18:00:07 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, nope.
Aug 31 18:01:13 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, why frown?
Aug 31 18:06:33 <ideinit> hello all
Aug 31 18:07:27 * ideinit I am having issue installing python-setuptools, the error message is "
Aug 31 18:07:30 <ideinit> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
Aug 31 18:07:30 <ideinit>   python-setuptools: Depends: python-pkg-resources (= 0.6c9-1maemo2) but it is not installable
Aug 31 18:07:31 <ideinit> E: Broken packages"
Aug 31 18:07:47 <ideinit> can anyone help?
Aug 31 18:08:57 <tobis87> ideinit: your command was apt-get install python-setuptools?
Aug 31 18:09:57 <ideinit> tobis87: yes it is, "apt-get install python-setuptools"
Aug 31 18:11:14 <ideinit> tobis87: and I have the extras-devel repository in my sources.list
Aug 31 18:11:15 <tobis87> you havn't done anything wrong, the package has missing dependency http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/python-setuptools/0.6c9-1maemo2/
Aug 31 18:11:56 <tobis87> i don't use it, so it might never had worked...
Aug 31 18:12:30 <ideinit> Actually, I have one device that actually worked
Aug 31 18:12:32 <tobis87> but it shouldn't be in extras then
Aug 31 18:12:45 <ideinit> perhaps we caught it before it went broken?
Aug 31 18:13:24 <tobis87> maybe, the missing package was broken, yes you could have got it while the dependency was still met
Aug 31 18:14:12 <ideinit> Grrrr... there must be somebody out there that uses python?!
Aug 31 18:15:59 <tobis87> sorry, i don't... i still hope to learn perl eventually when i need it. i go my way with c.
Aug 31 18:24:27 <Arkenoi> my address book is all fucked up, i think it is google to blame
Aug 31 18:24:48 <Arkenoi> all merged contacts "exploded", several are missing as well as half of avatars
Aug 31 19:03:15 <mintux> im linux
Aug 31 19:03:27 <mintux> im in linux and I want to update my phon
Aug 31 19:03:46 <Venemo> mintux: okay, update it
Aug 31 19:03:48 <mintux> I can not install any software now and get conflict errors
Aug 31 19:04:02 <mintux> Venemo:  but I don't know . I should update my phone from pc
Aug 31 19:04:08 <Venemo> mintux: what software version are you using ang what is your issue?
Aug 31 19:04:11 <mintux> or I can updated form phon
Aug 31 19:04:27 <mintux> I got error for maemo5 and qt lib
Aug 31 19:04:32 <mintux> for install each software
Aug 31 19:05:06 <mintux> my version of maemo is 3.1010.02-8.003
Aug 31 19:05:32 <SpeedEvil> ~flashing
Aug 31 19:05:33 <infobot> well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Aug 31 19:05:49 <Venemo> mhm
Aug 31 19:06:05 <mintux> is it safe ?
Aug 31 19:06:13 <mintux> I changed something in my phone
Aug 31 19:06:20 <mintux> like the path
Aug 31 19:06:21 <Venemo> mintux: what?
Aug 31 19:06:24 <mintux> path of theme
Aug 31 19:06:34 <mintux> and fonts
Aug 31 19:06:39 <mintux> and put in /home/opt
Aug 31 19:06:42 <Venemo> mintux: okay.
Aug 31 19:06:49 <tobis87> sure it's save, but backup your important data first
Aug 31 19:07:19 <Venemo> mintux: create a backup of your data. (contacts, ims, etc. with the Backup application) and back it up to your computer
Aug 31 19:07:34 <Venemo> mintux: then reflash your eMMC and rootfs
Aug 31 19:07:36 <mintux> Venemo: I should have windows ?
Aug 31 19:07:45 <Venemo> mintux: no, it works on windows
Aug 31 19:07:50 <Venemo> mintux: see
Aug 31 19:07:51 <tobis87> and linux
Aug 31 19:07:56 <Venemo> ~flashing
Aug 31 19:07:56 <infobot> it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Aug 31 19:08:04 <Venemo> mintux: it works on linux, windows, and mac
Aug 31 19:08:13 <mintux> hmm
Aug 31 19:08:28 <Venemo> mintux: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Linux
Aug 31 19:08:41 <tobis87> (21:01:06) mintux: im in linux and I want to update my phon <- which distro do you use?
Aug 31 19:09:25 <mintux> tobis87: my pc is ubuntu 10.4 and my phone is n900
Aug 31 19:09:52 <Venemo> mintux: should work fine
Aug 31 19:09:54 <tobis87> ok, i justed asked, in case your distro wouldn't use deb
Aug 31 19:10:07 <Venemo> mintux: follow the instructions on the page I linked
Aug 31 19:10:21 <Venemo> mintux: they are pretty easy.
Aug 31 19:10:29 <mintux> oh oke
Aug 31 19:10:35 <mintux> so I have my softwares ?
Aug 31 19:10:44 <mintux> I installed before?
Aug 31 19:11:19 <Venemo> mintux: the Backup app can save the names of the apps you previously installed and will reinstall them once you restore the backup
Aug 31 19:11:44 <mintux> Venemo: nad what happens after backup ? my phone works better?
Aug 31 19:11:54 <tobis87> Venemo: also the apps from extra?
Aug 31 19:12:27 <tobis87> mintux: will be in the same state, in which it was after you got it
Aug 31 19:15:13 <tobis87> s/will/The n900 will
Aug 31 19:17:45 <Venemo> tobis87: yes, it saves the list of apps installed from anywhere
Aug 31 19:18:07 <Venemo> tobis87: of course you have to enable the repos you installed them from, before restoring them
Aug 31 19:18:39 <Venemo> mintux: after the update, the N900 will work better. A great deal of bugs have been fixed. Some remain, but not much
Aug 31 19:18:47 <mintux> hmm
Aug 31 19:19:42 <mintux> Venemo: actually I don't upgrade . I install a new version of maemo
Aug 31 19:19:55 <jacekowski> same thing
Aug 31 19:19:57 <jacekowski> almost
Aug 31 19:20:09 <Venemo> mintux: yeah. you got what I mean.
Aug 31 19:20:42 <tobis87> I never touched the backup, because I thought it was no use, since I don't use the n900 as a phone. I don't like to be available everywhere.
Aug 31 19:20:43 <Venemo> mintux: if you need further help, just write here.
Aug 31 19:21:47 <mintux> ok . I don't think im ready tonight for this job . but when I have enough time to do that I'll check here
Aug 31 19:21:48 <Venemo> tobis87: it backs up settings, contacts, IM history, bookmarks, calendar, and application list (not the packages themselves, but a list of them)
Aug 31 19:22:01 <Venemo> mintux: it takes 5 minutes
Aug 31 19:22:07 <mintux> really ?
Aug 31 19:22:27 <Venemo> mintux: yes. read the instructions. it is indeed easy
Aug 31 19:22:44 <mintux> hmm
Aug 31 19:23:01 <Venemo> mintux: don't forget to backup your data
Aug 31 19:23:05 <Venemo> mintux: to your computer
Aug 31 19:23:12 <mintux> Venemo: what is your os ?
Aug 31 19:23:42 <Venemo> mintux: Currently booted on Windows 7, but I also use Fedora 13
Aug 31 19:23:52 <tobis87> Venemo: Thanks, I should consider it in the future then.
Aug 31 19:24:06 <Venemo> tobis87: what is your problem with mobile phones?
Aug 31 19:25:24 <jacekowski> well, it's like a leash
Aug 31 19:25:52 <jacekowski> but i've trained other people
Aug 31 19:26:02 <jacekowski> that i just ignore the phone
Aug 31 19:26:08 <jacekowski> and then maybe call back later
Aug 31 19:26:13 <jacekowski> so nobody calls me
Aug 31 19:26:14 <Venemo> jacekowski: leash? how so?
Aug 31 19:26:56 <jacekowski> what do you think
Aug 31 19:27:28 <Venemo> jacekowski: to me, it is a tool that helps me stay in touch with people
Aug 31 19:27:36 <tobis87> Venemo: Getting called, when you are in a situation, where you can't hear the other (football), when it annoys other people (train), on the toilet and relatives ask you if everything is fine (every day), and so on...
Aug 31 19:27:56 <Venemo> jacekowski: haha! it has its downsides
Aug 31 19:28:02 <jacekowski> that's why i have phone always on silent
Aug 31 19:28:15 <Venemo> jacekowski: I simply don't accept calls or take it to offline when I don't want to be called
Aug 31 19:28:16 <jacekowski> except when i expect a call
Aug 31 19:28:27 <Venemo> jacekowski: but it is good to be able to quicly call someone when I need it
Aug 31 19:28:45 <jacekowski> i treat phone like a portable telephone booth
Aug 31 19:28:50 <jacekowski> i can call everybody
Aug 31 19:28:54 <jacekowski> but nobody can call me
Aug 31 19:29:00 <steinex> anyone can tell me how to not make the phone blink when a call is received?
Aug 31 19:29:00 <Venemo> jacekowski: haha! I get your point
Aug 31 19:29:11 <steinex> instead just show the screen without blinking?
Aug 31 19:29:18 <jacekowski> no
Aug 31 19:29:21 <jacekowski> that's a bug
Aug 31 19:29:25 <Venemo> steinex: install MohamadAG's fixed Hildon-Desktop
Aug 31 19:29:34 <jacekowski> hmm, it's fixed
Aug 31 19:29:45 <jacekowski> amazing
Aug 31 19:29:46 <Venemo> the bug is fixed, but not yet released by Nokia
Aug 31 19:29:48 <steinex> Venemo: hmm, where can i read more about it?
Aug 31 19:30:03 <Venemo> fortunately, it is open source
Aug 31 19:30:09 <Venemo> so MohammadAG created a package that contains this fix among others
Aug 31 19:30:35 <Venemo> steinex: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60599
Aug 31 19:32:16 <Venemo> steinex: reboot is recommended after installing the package
Aug 31 20:04:01 <steinex> Vanadis: thx for the tip with MohamadAGs hildon-desktop
Aug 31 20:04:03 <steinex> works fine
Aug 31 20:04:14 <ahynes1> Can anyone here help me with Connection issues?
Aug 31 20:04:16 <steinex> it also seems fastersomehow..
Aug 31 20:05:01 <mintux1> is it possible to select text from pdf ?
Aug 31 20:05:19 <lcuk> steinex, MohammadAG51 reverted a change that could do with being an option really
Aug 31 20:05:26 <lcuk> ahynes1, whats up
Aug 31 20:05:49 <lcuk> mintux1, dunno, on desktop theres a select mode, does it exist here
Aug 31 20:05:56 * lcuk has no pdfs to test
Aug 31 20:06:18 <Vanadis> steinex, wat
Aug 31 20:06:38 <ahynes1> I tried adding a new APN to support IPv6 connectivity, and when I did, all other connections disappeared
Aug 31 20:06:41 <mintux1>  lcuk: I don't thing it works . because that select tools it's only for browser
Aug 31 20:06:57 <crashanddie> xnt14: around?
Aug 31 20:07:12 <ahynes1> I can still see them with gconftool-2 and in the /var/lib/gconf/system/osso/connectivity/IAP directory,
Aug 31 20:07:13 <crashanddie> MohammadAG51: around?
Aug 31 20:07:40 <ahynes1> but not when I try to estabilish a new connection
Aug 31 20:08:14 <ahynes1> I can also connect to WiFi using dbus-send, but no other way
Aug 31 20:08:16 <lcuk> oh cripes ahynes1 IDK this one I have never looked at how the ipv6 stuff interacts
Aug 31 20:09:07 <ahynes1> It doesn't seem to be related to ipv6.
Aug 31 20:09:19 <mintux1> do we have pptp vpn client for connect to windows vpn server in maemo ?
Aug 31 20:11:26 <Venemo> steinex: it's Venemo and not 'Vanadis' :P
Aug 31 20:12:19 <Venemo> mintux1: there is OpenVPN that I can recall
Aug 31 20:14:06 <MohammadAG51> is there any way to debug the conversations app?
Aug 31 20:14:11 <mintux1>  Venemo: does openvpn support pptp ?
Aug 31 20:14:21 <Venemo> mintux1: I dunno, never tried
Aug 31 20:14:26 <Venemo> mintux1: google is your friend
Aug 31 20:14:48 <mintux1> Venemo: the structure of vpn between windows and linux is different
Aug 31 20:14:50 <mintux1> ok
Aug 31 20:15:20 <Venemo> mintux1: I use some weird Cisco VPN thingy for work, but that uses some other protocol
Aug 31 20:15:32 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: More cutbacks.
Aug 31 20:15:47 <Venemo> mintux1: I haven't tried any VPN options on the N900 yet. I dunno of any scenario when it would be useful fo rme
Aug 31 20:16:08 <mintux1> ok
Aug 31 20:16:16 <ahynes1> Kernel Power supports pptp...
Aug 31 20:16:21 <ahynes1> (But I haven't tested it)
Aug 31 20:17:14 <ahynes1> Check wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power
Aug 31 20:17:25 <ahynes1> There is also a link to a pptp tutorial
Aug 31 20:18:16 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, oh, well, he was already cut once.
Aug 31 20:18:23 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, this contract was just for 3.4
Aug 31 20:18:29 <GeneralAntilles> Which took about a year. . . .
Aug 31 20:19:03 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: Well, true.
Aug 31 20:22:36 <MohammadAG51> FUUUCK
Aug 31 20:22:46 <MohammadAG51> lost all my damn conversations
Aug 31 20:23:25 <ahynes1> I lost all my conversation when I did a recent upgrade, but there was a trick that brought them back
Aug 31 20:23:34 <MohammadAG51> ooh, backups
Aug 31 20:23:36 <MohammadAG51> love rsync
Aug 31 20:29:44 <MohammadAG51> Hmm, conversations starts now but crashes :(
Aug 31 20:29:52 <Venemo> MohammadAG51: the Backup app also backs them up
Aug 31 20:30:10 <MohammadAG51> i haven't backed up in ages
Aug 31 20:31:39 <Venemo> MohammadAG51: I do that once in every one or two weeks
Aug 31 20:31:52 <MohammadAG51> well, I don't :p
Aug 31 20:32:17 <MohammadAG51> any way to recover the db?
Aug 31 20:32:21 <MohammadAG51> it's 62.1M   .
Aug 31 20:33:33 <secyritas> hmm, maybe
Aug 31 20:34:45 <secyritas> MohammadAG51: http://www.sqlite.org/faq.html#q21 might help
Aug 31 20:52:41 <crashanddie> MohammadAG51: can you open it?
Aug 31 20:53:09 <MohammadAG51> Conversations load the db, up to a point where it crashes
Aug 31 20:53:27 <MohammadAG51> most logs seem undamaged but... can't use conversations, at all
Aug 31 20:53:28 <lcuk> MohammadAG51, copy database onto your desktop and use one of the many sqlite viewing tools
Aug 31 20:53:41 <MohammadAG51> i copied it to /home for the time
Aug 31 20:54:22 <crashanddie> MohammadAG51: open it using sqlite
Aug 31 20:54:34 <MohammadAG51> what good is that?
Aug 31 20:54:54 <MohammadAG51> i want it back on the N900, not on a PC
Aug 31 20:55:17 <crashanddie> MohammadAG51: sqlite path/to/db "PRAGMA integrity_check"
Aug 31 20:55:43 <trumee> mintux1: there is a long thread on pptp on t.m.o
Aug 31 20:56:15 <crashanddie> MohammadAG51: the point is, if you can read it through sqlite, we can fix it
Aug 31 20:56:37 <trumee> mintux1: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48725 should get you going.
Aug 31 20:56:38 <crashanddie> MohammadAG51: that's why opening it using a sqlite viewing tool is handy
Aug 31 20:56:51 <lcuk> MohammadAG51, open in regular system
Aug 31 20:56:57 <lcuk> and SEE if theres any visible corruption
Aug 31 20:57:21 <crashanddie> though the integrity_check() should help you understand what the problem is
Aug 31 20:57:21 <lcuk> if you have 60mb of zeros that sweet FA we can do
Aug 31 20:57:41 <trumee> lcuk: does conversation db get slower over time?
Aug 31 20:57:47 <crashanddie> trumee: yes
Aug 31 20:57:53 <trumee> crashanddie: crap!
Aug 31 20:57:58 <lcuk> trumee, all databases get slower *with more content*
Aug 31 20:58:11 <lcuk> they don't however suffer old age unless you add/remove records
Aug 31 20:58:28 <crashanddie> lcuk raises a good point, if you don't have any friends, your db will be very fast!
Aug 31 20:58:43 <Appiah> :D
Aug 31 20:58:49 <trumee> do we need to defrag the vfat partition often?
Aug 31 20:58:52 <crashanddie> no
Aug 31 20:58:56 <Jartza> wow
Aug 31 20:59:09 <lcuk> MohammadAG51, open your database in Microsoft Access, select Compact and Repair :P
Aug 31 20:59:13 <crashanddie> trumee: it's flash, defragmentation doesn't really apply
Aug 31 20:59:18 <Jartza> after 3 weeks of maemo-courses I'm a bit exhausted
Aug 31 20:59:35 <trumee> crashanddie: flash doesnt suffer from fragmentation?
Aug 31 20:59:35 <crashanddie> Jartza: try maemo-cursing for 2 weeks.
Aug 31 20:59:40 <Jartza> and started to think how strange finnish language actually is
Aug 31 20:59:43 <Zucca> Does anyone know what would be the easiest way to have webcam on N900? Just mjpeg over http would be fine.
Aug 31 20:59:47 <lcuk> trumee, flash almost doesn't care about it
Aug 31 20:59:56 <lcuk> its not like hard drive physical spinning disks
Aug 31 20:59:58 <crashanddie> trumee: there's no disk spinning with a needle having to move around physically
Aug 31 20:59:59 <MohammadAG51> wow
Aug 31 20:59:59 <lcuk> and time to move heads
Aug 31 21:00:03 <MohammadAG51> skype's kinda fast
Aug 31 21:00:05 <Jartza> crashanddie: sometimes this teaching makes me wanna curse a low :)
Aug 31 21:00:12 <MohammadAG51> i guess 12000+ messages do slow it down
Aug 31 21:00:15 <trumee> crashanddie: ah! got it.
Aug 31 21:00:23 <Jartza> finnish is like... condensed efficiency
Aug 31 21:00:54 <crashanddie> lcuk: I'm guessing if you had a very, very big flash chip, like multiple cm or even ft long, fragmentation could be an issue (due to the speed of light)
Aug 31 21:01:19 <Jartza> for example "without a female rider" can be said with one word: "ratsastajattaretta" :)
Aug 31 21:01:34 <Jartza> efficient :D
Aug 31 21:01:54 <lcuk> Jartza,
Aug 31 21:01:58 <Kegetys> cant you still have a file fragmented on multiple flash cells, making the reading slower when you need to read all the cells contents including the data that is not that file
Aug 31 21:02:01 <lcuk> please can you pick my teeth up
Aug 31 21:02:09 <lcuk> i dropped them on the floor trying to say that out loud
Aug 31 21:02:22 <Jartza> :D
Aug 31 21:02:24 <crashanddie> Jartza: try icelandic... google translate english to icelandic: "first carbon neutral volcano"
Aug 31 21:02:44 <crashanddie> should give you eyjafjalajokull
Aug 31 21:02:55 <Jartza> sure
Aug 31 21:03:13 <lcuk> Fyrsta kolefni hlutlaus eldfjall
Aug 31 21:03:15 <lcuk> no actually
Aug 31 21:03:20 <Jartza> that's the name of the volcano, quite easy actually to pronounce :)
Aug 31 21:03:28 <crashanddie> indeed
Aug 31 21:04:18 <MohammadAG51> lol
Aug 31 21:04:20 <MohammadAG51> Unable to open database "el-v1.db": file is encrypted or is not a database
Aug 31 21:04:36 <crashanddie> (btw, eyjafjalajokull: 220cubic tones of co2 per day. estimated co2 produced by the planes that should've flown during the ash cloud: 350 cubic tones! First carbon neutral volcano!)
Aug 31 21:04:40 <MohammadAG51> sure it's sqlite?
Aug 31 21:04:45 <MohammadAG51> afaik it's sqlite3
Aug 31 21:04:50 <crashanddie> well, yeah
Aug 31 21:04:54 <crashanddie> duh :P
Aug 31 21:05:08 <crashanddie> MohammadAG51: from the doc "Depending how badly your database is corrupted, you may be able to recover some of the data by using the CLI to dump the schema and contents to a file and then recreate. Unfortunately, once humpty-dumpty falls off the wall, it is generally not possible to put him back together again."
Aug 31 21:05:24 <vickyk73> hi is it possible to retrieve a deleted wifi account on the nokia n900
Aug 31 21:05:38 <crashanddie> vickyk73: nope, hence the use of the term "deleted"
Aug 31 21:05:45 <MohammadAG51> sqlite3 =! sqlite
Aug 31 21:05:50 <MohammadAG51> sqlite3 opened it
Aug 31 21:05:55 <MohammadAG51> apparently there are errors
Aug 31 21:06:12 <crashanddie> how many?
Aug 31 21:06:26 <MohammadAG51> 20
Aug 31 21:06:31 <crashanddie> that's good
Aug 31 21:06:55 <Jartza> hmm
Aug 31 21:06:56 <crashanddie> MohammadAG51: your convos are safe, most of them, anyway
Aug 31 21:07:05 <Jartza> luckily I have now 3 days off
Aug 31 21:07:06 <MohammadAG51> any way to fix it?
Aug 31 21:07:11 <vickyk73> crashanddie i upgraded my nokia n900 to the latest firmware and i lost my setting of wifi
Aug 31 21:07:15 <Jartza> and then back to teaching
Aug 31 21:07:18 <vickyk73> is it anyway to get it back
Aug 31 21:07:45 <crashanddie> vickyk73: not that I'm aware of -- once it's gone, it's gone.
Aug 31 21:11:06 <MohammadAG51> lcuk, anything other than microsoft access?
Aug 31 21:11:36 <crashanddie> MohammadAG51: basically, you need to dump the data to a text file, then reimport it
Aug 31 21:11:45 <lcuk> actually no, I haven't seen a corrupt sqlite database and crashanddie has already pointed to a few mechanisms for recovery but google may find others
Aug 31 21:12:05 <MohammadAG51> bah, i'll have a read tomorrow
Aug 31 21:12:11 <MohammadAG51> night :/
Aug 31 21:12:32 <crashanddie> MohammadAG51: a small python script that goes line by line over the data and then re-injects everything but the failed rows into a fresh db should do fine
Aug 31 21:12:48 <lcuk> crashanddie, there should be automated methods already
Aug 31 21:12:55 <lcuk> to try and generate a dupe clean version
Aug 31 21:13:01 * lcuk does find it surprising
Aug 31 21:13:12 <crashanddie> lcuk: not really, sqlite is used because it is so difficult to damage a db
Aug 31 21:13:45 <MohammadAG51> crashanddie, rtcom-messaging-ui is one awesome tool then
Aug 31 21:13:52 <lcuk> crashanddie, sqlite is used on local systems
Aug 31 21:13:57 <MohammadAG51> it corrupts it in seconds when rootfs is full
Aug 31 21:13:59 <lcuk> people do not really put in in harms way
Aug 31 21:14:08 <MohammadAG51> cba to file a bug, won't be fixed anyways
Aug 31 21:14:09 <lcuk> unlike MS access where world+dog just shared it on the network
Aug 31 21:14:24 <lcuk> MohammadAG51, did you happen to look today on hildon*
Aug 31 21:14:33 <lcuk> before shouting
Aug 31 21:14:44 <MohammadAG51> nope, school is a major blocker
Aug 31 21:14:53 <lcuk> ++
Aug 31 21:15:09 <crashanddie> lcuk: you can have a process die in the middle of an insert/update, and maybe even pipe some stderr into the sqlpipe that sqlite would still just parse it and tell you to bugger off
Aug 31 21:15:18 <crashanddie> lcuk: the api really is excellent
Aug 31 21:15:20 <lcuk> roger
Aug 31 21:15:33 <lcuk> crashanddie, people say the same about Microsoft Access
Aug 31 21:15:38 <lcuk> its rock solid for single user
Aug 31 21:15:39 <MohammadAG51> anyways, night
Aug 31 21:16:03 <lcuk> gnite MohammadAG51 i will keep eye out for tools
Aug 31 21:16:13 <MohammadAG51> ty mate
Aug 31 21:16:18 <crashanddie> MohammadAG51: I've asked for help from the sqlite guys
Aug 31 21:16:23 <crashanddie> will see what gives
Aug 31 21:16:28 <MohammadAG51> thanks :)
Aug 31 21:16:32 <MohammadAG51> gnite
Aug 31 21:16:37 <crashanddie> ttfn
Aug 31 21:16:43 <th3hate> could some windows user check this flasher error: http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9441/capturehg.png
Aug 31 21:17:33 <lcuk> th3hate, retry potentially?
Aug 31 21:18:38 <th3hate> lcuk, retry what?
Aug 31 21:18:58 <ToJa92> [th3hate]: Where is the .bin file located?
Aug 31 21:19:09 <ToJa92> I'd put it in the same directory as flasher
Aug 31 21:19:15 <th3hate> ToJa92, in flashers dir
Aug 31 21:19:19 <lcuk> th3hate, running the command
Aug 31 21:19:37 <th3hate> im quite familiar with flashing
Aug 31 21:19:37 <ToJa92> Do you run CMD as administrator?
Aug 31 21:19:41 <th3hate> yep
Aug 31 21:19:41 <lcuk> it looks like it got partway through? try again perhaps?
Aug 31 21:19:56 <th3hate> tryied dozen of times
Aug 31 21:20:03 <th3hate> looks like i bricked it
Aug 31 21:20:19 <ToJa92> looks like it was interrupted somehow
Aug 31 21:20:35 <lcuk> power down everything remove batt etc and try again
Aug 31 21:20:39 <lcuk> ?
Aug 31 21:20:45 <th3hate> tried that too
Aug 31 21:21:11 <ToJa92> I'd try a different computer / a different OS then
Aug 31 21:21:25 <th3hate> after removing kernel-power device entered reboot loop and denies flashing rotofs
Aug 31 21:22:30 <th3hate> ToJa92, tired on windows xp, same error
Aug 31 21:22:54 <th3hate> i think something in n900 is blocking flash attemp
Aug 31 21:33:27 <crashanddie> MohammadAG51: echo ".dump" | sqlite3 /path/to/el.db | sqlite /path/to/fixed.db
Aug 31 21:55:54 <nox-> moin
Aug 31 22:54:04 * lcuk wonders how many apps to download today
Aug 31 22:54:28 <SpeedEvil> Gotta catch them all.
Aug 31 22:54:55 <lcuk> i might investigate playing with the menus at some point again
Aug 31 22:55:03 <lcuk> the order seems backwards to me as a user
Aug 31 22:55:23 <lcuk> (the graffiti wall is right for me, newest at top left, descending)
Aug 31 22:55:46 <lcuk> or...
Aug 31 22:55:53 <lcuk> if you launch an app
Aug 31 22:55:58 <lcuk> allow the menu to retain its position
Aug 31 22:56:06 <lcuk> so next time you open it you can carry on
Aug 31 22:56:13 <lcuk> my menu is huge
Aug 31 22:59:41 <jacekowski> lcuk: i have that category thingy
Aug 31 23:00:16 <lcuk> jacekowski, i don't mind long menus, i just wish it was in the place I expect it to be
Aug 31 23:00:22 <lcuk> magic button time
Aug 31 23:00:50 <lcuk> (customers used to call us asking for specific magic buttons that used mind reading techniques to know what operator wants
Aug 31 23:25:01 <zeltak> evening guys
Sep 01 00:08:59 <lcuk> hmmm n-speed
Sep 01 00:09:21 <lcuk> who else is reminded of lotus esprit turbo challenge for its music
Sep 01 00:09:25 <lcuk> and who can get past level 1
Sep 01 00:10:12 <konfoo> for amiga?
Sep 01 00:10:16 <konfoo> Titus?
Sep 01 00:10:17 <konfoo> :P
Sep 01 00:10:26 <lcuk> konfoo, n-speed on maemo
Sep 01 00:10:30 <lcuk> in repositories
Sep 01 00:10:42 <konfoo> ah there was a lotus challenge on the amiga made by Titus
Sep 01 00:10:43 <lcuk> and i did mean lotus esprit challenge 2 or 3 probably :$
Sep 01 00:10:45 <konfoo> way back when
Sep 01 00:10:54 <lcuk> the music for it sounds like the mod it had
Sep 01 00:10:56 <lcuk> ahhh
Sep 01 00:11:02 * lcuk couldnt remember whi it was by
Sep 01 00:11:09 <lcuk> i just settled down to play
Sep 01 00:11:17 <konfoo> or tight ass as everyone used to call them :)
Sep 01 00:11:33 <konfoo> those were killer gfx back in the day
Sep 01 00:11:58 <lcuk> well this is fast - pseudo 3d using rotoblitter i assume
Sep 01 00:12:05 <konfoo> nice
Sep 01 00:12:10 <konfoo> ill have t try it :D
Sep 01 00:12:54 <lcuk> it even has a copper sky!
Sep 01 00:13:13 <konfoo> ha!
Sep 01 00:13:19 <lcuk> infact, the more i hear this title tune it is the same sample set
Sep 01 00:13:28 <lcuk> the mod that i am thinking of had a sample in it
Sep 01 00:13:41 <lcuk> recorded low volume that said "you will not copy this game"
Sep 01 00:13:59 * lcuk grabs source and looks
Sep 01 00:39:09 <Aboutthegame>  who can tell me about how can play the game hookup3D?
Sep 01 00:39:31 <Aboutthegame> please help me
Sep 01 00:54:45 <zeltak> hi lcuk how are you?
Sep 01 01:02:36 <smhar> it seems I am getting close to a limit, I tried updating a package and got this error:  not enough space in application install memory
Sep 01 01:05:49 <smhar> in cbut in conky, I still have 41.75mb free in rootfs, 151.16 in home and more than 6gb in mydocs
Sep 01 01:27:02 <ideinit> development question:  I am making a Python/QT application and wish to capture hardware volume keys.  Is there a python/pyqt binding for doing that?
Sep 01 01:28:03 <johnx> smhar, was it a game?
Sep 01 01:28:58 <smhar> no, actually is a small battery utility
Sep 01 01:29:57 <johnx> interesting
Sep 01 01:30:38 <johnx> as a side note: if you just freed a whole bunch of space on /, there might be some situations in which you need to reboot before the space frees itself, AFAIK
Sep 01 01:30:51 <johnx> the other thing is to make sure that everything is mounted read-write
Sep 01 01:31:07 <johnx> if there was some kind of fs error, things may remount read-only
Sep 01 01:33:27 <smhar> hmm, will try rebooting and see
Sep 01 01:40:37 <cehteh> mhm you can connect a white led directly to a n900 battery .. gives lifetime lighting
Sep 01 01:41:11 <cehteh> (found a junk led on my desk ... lifetime of the led, lets see if it sustains more than 10 minutes :P)
Sep 01 01:41:36 <johnx> the LED or the battery?
Sep 01 01:41:49 <cehteh> the led of course
Sep 01 01:42:02 <cehteh> no current protection
Sep 01 01:42:44 <johnx> i thought voltage was the thing that broke LEDs. don't they just 'pull' as much current as they need?
Sep 01 01:42:50 <cehteh> yes
Sep 01 01:43:03 <cehteh> err wrong
Sep 01 01:43:18 <cehteh> they are non-linear
Sep 01 01:43:21 <ideinit> I am making a Python/QT application and wish to capture hardware volume keys.  Is there a python/pyqt binding for doing that?  The tutorial/tips I found online all use gtk calls "_HILDON_ZOOM_KEY_ATOM"
Sep 01 01:43:40 <cehteh> the higher the voltage the exponentially more current they draw
Sep 01 01:43:53 <johnx> aaaah, got it
Sep 01 01:43:59 <cehteh> leds have to be current regulated
Sep 01 01:44:32 <cehteh> with cheap led light only the inner resistance of the battery limits the current
Sep 01 01:44:50 <cehteh> thats why you burn them with better rechangeable accus
Sep 01 02:10:30 <johnx> gah. when hfs+ kills itself it *really* kills itself
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