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Sep 02 04:08:52 ToGgG__son: and surely that bizarre statement is worthy of much spam. Sep 02 04:09:33 mortini, ever notice that spam is becoming increasingly surreal? Sep 02 04:10:22 I mean, eventually my spam filter will actually become a surreality filter and I'll never be able to communicate with creators of modern art ... Sep 02 04:10:24 please down this ... it's a shit of france la-defense.fr.Epiknet.org (195.225.204.22) port 6667 servers ... /map and links ... but be carefull it's an unrealepik irc Daemon Sep 02 04:10:53 johnx: eh, noticed this for ~10 years now. it's a signal/noise ratio thing. more noise makes it difficult to detect Sep 02 04:11:35 yeah, but the signal/noise ratio is getting so high in spam these days that even I can't properly understand what they're trying to sell a lot of the time Sep 02 04:11:52 ToGgG__son, please go away now. kthxbye Sep 02 04:13:36 I can't Sep 02 04:13:44 because no meds for me Sep 02 04:13:52 because alcoohol :s Sep 02 04:57:43 morn ClaesBas Sep 02 05:24:25 where is the best place to buy a n900 battery, and what is the best way to charge it? Sep 02 05:24:29 I'd like to have a backup with me Sep 02 05:24:38 yoyoyo: any given nokia shop i guess Sep 02 05:24:54 also, I've been finding random chargers with microUSBs - some of them work - is this dangerous? Sep 02 05:25:01 Stskeeps: ebay? Sep 02 05:25:04 they're like 5$... Sep 02 05:25:38 shouldnt be too dangerous Sep 02 05:25:59 well ebay isnt really trustworthy .. Sep 02 05:26:22 and these are prolly not very energy efficient or well regulated Sep 02 05:26:32 hmm Sep 02 05:26:40 better spend $15 and get a proper one Sep 02 05:26:44 is there one with a number or lable that I should get on ebay? Sep 02 05:26:57 what about these stand alone chargers on ebay? Sep 02 05:27:02 that just charge the battery? Sep 02 05:27:14 microusb charging is actually standardized .. but some ignore the standard Sep 02 05:27:38 yeah, one didnt work, but two did Sep 02 05:27:38 yoyoyo: cmon, buying a battery used is just stupid… Sep 02 05:27:39 well at worst it can blow the battery ... so get a $5 battery with them Sep 02 05:27:50 luke-jr, most are new on there Sep 02 05:27:54 even the 4$ ones Sep 02 05:28:05 yoyoyo: bet they're fake Sep 02 05:28:12 if it doesnt blow a cheap battery then a quality battery should sustain it too :) Sep 02 05:28:28 cehteh: erm, no Sep 02 05:28:31 at worst it fries the N900 Sep 02 05:28:32 luke-jr: i got a reasonable one for 10 euros Sep 02 05:28:44 luke-jr: the standalone battery chargers Sep 02 05:28:46 oh Sep 02 05:28:54 worst case for those is an explosion I guess Sep 02 05:29:06 yeah Sep 02 05:29:13 but well .. rarely happens Sep 02 05:29:15 cehteh, one to recommend? Sep 02 05:29:19 but someone would be a real fool to try to sell an exploding charger IMO Sep 02 05:29:31 i'd expect less charge from a cheap battery and more wear Sep 02 05:30:12 while the cheap one (i use it really rarely, one or two times already) isnt that shabby Sep 02 05:30:24 yoyoyo: FYI, fake Nokia batteries are common Sep 02 05:30:24 just dont buy the cheapest 3$ battery Sep 02 05:30:47 yoyoyo: and not even Nokia can tell the difference sometimes Sep 02 05:31:05 without taking it apart, I mean Sep 02 05:31:31 i think best are replacment batteries which are $10-20 and dont try to be fake nokia but clearly state that they are replacement ones Sep 02 05:32:11 (trying pagarism for packaging and all costs little bit more and doesnt need the vendor to get some credentibility) Sep 02 05:32:21 * luke-jr wonders if there's any brand name for replacement Nokia-compatible batteries… Sep 02 05:32:46 this one i have here is X-Power 'for 5800' Sep 02 05:33:35 it gets recognized with about the same charge than the normal one and maybe lasts 80-90% as the new one Sep 02 05:33:58 while my original one shows already signs of wear after half a year constant abuse Sep 02 05:34:43 cehteh: wait, it lasts 80-90% after how long? Sep 02 05:34:54 you saying it's *better*? Sep 02 05:35:42 as i saied i only used it a few times yet, sometimes batteries improve after the first few charge cycles and i cant really measure it because i use it when i am on the run ... different load settings Sep 02 05:35:54 so ebay, or where is the place tob uy Sep 02 05:36:07 from my feeling its seems to be about the same or just slightly worse .. Sep 02 05:36:45 * cehteh got his one from a local cheap mobile repair/acessory/whatever shop here in the city Sep 02 05:38:37 http://cgi.ebay.com/Nokia-5230-Nuron-5800-N900-Battery-Desktop-Charger-/320583506031?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item4aa444186f Sep 02 05:38:42 whadya think? Sep 02 05:40:01 dont Sep 02 05:40:18 Multiple voltage output DC 4.2V 350mA ¡ª ¡À50mA USB 5.2Vd.c. 800mA Sep 02 05:40:32 .. the n900 wants up to 1.5A Sep 02 05:41:15 and iirc usb 5V are very tight specified not 4.2 and not 5.2V .. the n900 will prolly survive that but its not enough for charging Sep 02 05:41:33 and i bet the battery plugged directly on it wont get charged with more Sep 02 05:41:56 also it looks bulky, prolly an old transformer in it and not well regulated Sep 02 05:42:22 that's for the charger not the battery i think Sep 02 05:43:10 well .. its your n900 and your battery Sep 02 05:43:52 liion batteries damaged easily (wearing out) when they get overcharged, no danger unless you do that excessively but they loose capacity Sep 02 05:55:26 yo Sep 02 05:55:39 well if you cant paste me a product cehteh, i'll consider it - thanks Sep 02 05:57:37 DocScrutinizer, hi, on the openmoko mailing list someone said meego will be fully free, does it means it's like AOSP, or will it be capable of running on the device? Sep 02 05:58:11 how do you define 'free'? Sep 02 05:58:53 FLOSS Sep 02 05:59:13 aka free as in freedom, fsf definition Sep 02 05:59:35 (freedom to copy,modify etc...) Sep 02 06:01:24 mail is down atm, sorry. Me's not up, sorry. And what's AOSP? Sep 02 06:02:03 android open source project Sep 02 06:02:11 basically they use a trick Sep 02 06:02:12 please read om-cdevel logs, I pasted ref to some meego src for you convenience Sep 02 06:02:20 ok Sep 02 06:02:35 the trick is the following: Sep 02 06:02:47 AOSP is hosted on android.kernel.org Sep 02 06:02:56 AOSP is fully free but not complete Sep 02 06:03:29 for instance no gps,camera,telephony,audio libs for the devices are present Sep 02 06:03:41 GNUtoo|laptop: well, for the n900 we will have battery management, sgx, wifi firmware and bt firmware as redistributable blobs. there are bits and pieces in meego that due to compliance (meego trademark) is restricted, but nothing stops you from replacing with your own Sep 02 06:03:54 rest is open source, gplv2, lgpl, bsd, mit, etc. Sep 02 06:04:09 wow only that? Sep 02 06:04:10 we'll have open telephony stack Sep 02 06:04:27 voice calls will work? Sep 02 06:04:30 (that already works) Sep 02 06:04:35 just not integrated yet Sep 02 06:04:38 ah ok Sep 02 06:04:47 battery can be replaced by a script Sep 02 06:04:53 3d can be avoided Sep 02 06:04:56 not for UI Sep 02 06:04:59 firmwares are firmwares Sep 02 06:05:01 Stskeeps: wait Sep 02 06:05:04 please refer to the URLs I posted for you in #openmoko-cdevel last night Sep 02 06:05:05 I'll change the UI then Sep 02 06:05:06 when did the firmwares get redistributable? Sep 02 06:05:06 ok Sep 02 06:05:09 I'll do Sep 02 06:05:14 luke-jr: we're working on those atm Sep 02 06:05:30 GNUtoo|laptop: kernel is fully open source Sep 02 06:05:34 GNUtoo|laptop: well, if you want to have a crippled UI, your choice.. Sep 02 06:06:01 GNUtoo|laptop: the UI requires GLES accel Sep 02 06:06:22 I'll use illume then Sep 02 06:06:25 668 * Sends an UL frame using SSI audio interface 'sal'. Sep 02 06:06:48 http://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/pulseaudio-modules-meego/blobs/master/src/cmtspeech/cmtspeech-connection.c Sep 02 06:06:49 http://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/pulseaudio-modules-meego/blobs/master/src/cmtspeech/cmtspeech-connection.c Sep 02 06:06:59 GNUtoo|laptop: any interest in helping with the Gentoo port? :P Sep 02 06:07:00 nice!!!! Sep 02 06:07:14 luke-jr, unfortunately no Sep 02 06:07:24 but I think I'll help with SHR port Sep 02 06:07:40 which may help the gentoo port indirectly Sep 02 06:07:42 wasn't aware SHR was porting Sep 02 06:07:50 GNUtoo|laptop: more likely the inverse IMO Sep 02 06:07:53 :p Sep 02 06:08:01 ok Sep 02 06:09:29 morphis will be disapointed I bet Sep 02 06:10:54 .. i don't see why bother with shr, personally Sep 02 06:11:06 hrw|gone: ping Sep 02 06:11:47 because SHR doesn't use tracker :-P Sep 02 06:11:52 point Sep 02 06:11:53 :P Sep 02 06:14:41 * ToGgG__son Mozart - Eine kleine Nachtmusik K. 525 - Romance: Andante Sep 02 06:15:04 does anyone here know hrw's email? Sep 02 06:15:59 ToGgG__son: ping me when you *really* got something to contribute Sep 02 06:16:21 * johnx really can't parse spam these days Sep 02 06:16:53 johnx: he hardly passes turing test Sep 02 06:18:13 DocScrutinizer: got the N900 all working now, but how can i force it to use specific wifi connections - it seems to randomly pick one Sep 02 06:18:43 I'll go bye Sep 02 06:19:07 jpinx-eeepc, could you be a bit more specific? Sep 02 06:19:59 johnx: I have it set to use wifi, I really don't waant to use the mobile network at all Sep 02 06:20:12 I have several wap's here and I created accounts for them all Sep 02 06:20:41 now when I select a url in the browser it seems to just take any of those in no specific order Sep 02 06:21:09 yes. it will pick a wifi network, maybe by whichever it finds first or maybe by signal strength at that second Sep 02 06:21:23 then it won't roam unless it completely loses connection with the first Sep 02 06:22:24 johnx: is tthere no way I can force it into one WAP rather than another? Sep 02 06:22:25 heh, looks like ToGgG__son's brain exploded all over his keyboard Sep 02 06:22:33 apart from disabling the WAP account Sep 02 06:22:43 jpinx-eeepc, you can pick one manually each time Sep 02 06:23:06 johnx: that's the function I can't find ;) Sep 02 06:23:23 "always ask" I guess Sep 02 06:23:35 click the status bar, click internet connection, click the network you want Sep 02 06:23:50 DocScrutinizer: it's on always ask Sep 02 06:25:03 johnx: status bar? you mean across the top of the browser? Sep 02 06:25:27 nah, the clock/battery icon area Sep 02 06:25:32 the clock, colloq Sep 02 06:25:40 clock? Sep 02 06:25:50 ah - silly me Sep 02 06:25:53 the thing that tells time Sep 02 06:26:13 thanks johnx DocScrutinizer :) Sep 02 06:26:46 wow, it must have been really frustrating to not have access to all that stuff in there :) Sep 02 06:27:09 apart from having to put my fingertips into a pencil sharpener - it's an awesome beastie - now going to install pidgin if I can Sep 02 06:27:12 :-D Sep 02 06:27:42 before you install pidgin, you might want to look at the set of plugins that add functionality to the built-in IM client Sep 02 06:27:44 and maybe play with the debian in a chroot thingie Sep 02 06:27:54 johnx: oh- ok Sep 02 06:28:25 o.O Sep 02 06:28:33 imteresting advice Sep 02 06:29:01 easy-deb instea of pidgin :-P Sep 02 06:29:14 DocScrutinizer, what? Sep 02 06:29:36 basically I was going to mees in the chroot and see if something like bitlbee will run in that and connect to irssi running in the native os Sep 02 06:29:41 nevermind Sep 02 06:29:53 sorry - I said pidgin - I meant bitlbee Sep 02 06:29:53 passive ETAB Sep 02 06:29:57 DocScrutinizer: first results off google for "instea": Menstrual Cups, Period Products, Feminine & Menstruation Products Sep 02 06:31:01 * DocScrutinizer throws a bagful of * and ? at crashanddie Sep 02 06:31:22 use them wisely Sep 02 06:32:35 is there some “wtf” available? Sep 02 06:32:55 ~wtf wtf Sep 02 06:32:56 WTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck Sep 02 06:34:15 ~xyawn Sep 02 06:34:15 extra, extra, read all about it, xyawn is nice coffee Sep 02 06:34:48 mh, the nice one is out, bye Sep 02 06:34:57 ~wtf DocScrutinizer Sep 02 06:34:58 Gee... I don't know what DocScrutinizer means... Sep 02 06:35:31 noob Sep 02 06:35:33 ~wtf the fuck that Sep 02 06:35:34 maemo-sdk-installer.py not working with ubuntu 10 Sep 02 06:35:35 usage: wtf . Sep 02 06:35:36 ~ DocScrutinizer51 Sep 02 06:35:38 ??? Sep 02 06:35:39 ~ DocScrutinizer Sep 02 06:35:39 i heard docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko Sep 02 06:35:40 peft Sep 02 06:35:47 ~wtf "the fuck that" Sep 02 06:35:48 usage: wtf . Sep 02 06:35:59 ~wtf the%20fuck%20that Sep 02 06:36:01 usage: wtf . Sep 02 06:36:06 * Corsac cries Sep 02 06:37:01 ~redhat Corsac Sep 02 06:37:26 ~debian Corsac Sep 02 06:37:26 * infobot tells Corsac to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! Sep 02 06:37:52 any one knws y the maemo-sdk-installer.py is not working with ubuntu 10 ??? Sep 02 06:49:16 btw... Sep 02 06:50:03 Stskeeps: is there any particular rationale why Nokia 'proprietary' stuff now opened up for meego still remains closed for maemo? Sep 02 06:52:43 will a usb keyboard work? Sep 02 06:52:44 DocScrutinizer: i think it's more of a practical concern.. in the release process nokia employs i doubt there's chance to have some of the more seperating patches to be approved as changes Sep 02 06:53:48 :-( Sep 02 06:53:59 but thanks for the answer :-) Sep 02 06:54:54 DocScrutinizer: and the traditional way to release sources is through the sdk releases which follow device contents.. Sep 02 06:55:13 the other side is that sometimes modifications/refactoring is needed to satisfy legal concerns Sep 02 06:55:39 jpinx-eeepc, someone was working on USB host, but it would require flashing a new kernel I believe Sep 02 06:55:55 at the cost of not opening source at all if not done, i think it's fair to do it this way :P Sep 02 06:55:56 ijjoHHHHHjo Sep 02 06:56:00 hmm, still I don't completely get it when hildon-desktop, multimedia etc are on gitorious.org but not on mxr Sep 02 06:56:10 johnx: just reading thea Sep 02 06:56:16 while (C) clearly says Nokia Sep 02 06:56:17 that now Sep 02 06:56:47 Ooops, sorry for the brainfarts there Sep 02 06:57:17 johnx: hostmode still WIP and a PoC at best Sep 02 06:57:27 DocScrutinizer: report a bug Sep 02 07:00:37 wow, that looks a little crazier than host on the N800 Sep 02 07:00:45 but thankfully not as crazy as on the 770 Sep 02 07:01:50 bwarf, ovi files shutting down Sep 02 07:02:54 bummer Sep 02 07:03:27 but that's why I pay for a xen slice on a fast connection :) Sep 02 07:04:51 still no one made a scp sharing plugin :P Sep 02 07:05:21 yeah, but I just use sshfs Sep 02 07:05:31 scp would be pretty neat though Sep 02 07:05:33 me too Sep 02 07:05:52 but a sharing api frontend for scp or rsync would be nice Sep 02 07:06:16 especially if it did the full-on avahi broadcast to find local ssh servers Sep 02 07:06:25 lol Sep 02 07:06:40 you laugh, but ubuntu seems to be doing it Sep 02 07:06:55 * johnx verifies before he looks silly Sep 02 07:07:04 i dont use buntu Sep 02 07:07:24 but well .. sounds reasonable for them Sep 02 07:07:40 maybe I should have s/ubuntu/nautilus/ Sep 02 07:07:52 * DocScrutinizer scratches head, sips coffee, and wonders where he lost the thread Sep 02 07:07:52 but of course now I don't see it happening ... Sep 02 07:08:34 DocScrutinizer, avahi (aka bonjour aka zeroconf aka mdns) is a neat way of discovering services available on the local network Sep 02 07:08:58 so you search for all sshd's and try to login, just in case the user isnt sure :P Sep 02 07:08:59 you can use it to 'advertise' pretty much any service, AFAICT Sep 02 07:09:09 I hate it, regardless of wondering how it's related Sep 02 07:09:18 hehe i hate it too Sep 02 07:09:31 me too Sep 02 07:09:33 what are we hatin? Sep 02 07:09:40 you Sep 02 07:09:41 cehteh, I actually picture the use-case as being at a convention and being able to send files quickly to another user on the local wifi network Sep 02 07:09:42 avahi Sep 02 07:09:45 o i c Sep 02 07:09:56 I like it well enough when it works Sep 02 07:09:59 johnx: not ssh then Sep 02 07:10:13 publishing a rsyncd may make sense Sep 02 07:10:24 yeah, you have a point Sep 02 07:10:27 shell access is overkill Sep 02 07:11:20 the bluetooth-wifi hybrid looked nicest, IMHO, but I don't know what it would take to implement or whether it's somehow hardware dependent Sep 02 07:11:25 johnx: wasn't that what obex push was all about? Sep 02 07:12:00 DocScrutinizer, exactly, but bluetooth is a bit slow Sep 02 07:12:16 bah, obex is transport agnostic aiui Sep 02 07:14:13 I can't get the bluetooth running in my eeepc or I could use that to ssh in and admin the n900 Sep 02 07:14:25 there's been obex over irda, obex over bt, and I don't see why obex over wlan should work any different Sep 02 07:15:05 you mean, like obex over IP or obex over the wifi 'physical' layer? Sep 02 07:15:23 obex over IP obviously Sep 02 07:15:37 ah, well then I can tell you why it would work differently ... Sep 02 07:15:55 sorry, not yet completely on nominal RPM, wetwarewise Sep 02 07:16:47 but I think I have seen obex over IP. I just don't know about the 'discovery' phase. I guess just broadcast ... Sep 02 07:17:56 what's tha p2p mode on wifi called? (burp, wish the coffe would kick in) Sep 02 07:18:51 docscrutinizer, ad-hoc? Sep 02 07:18:55 yep Sep 02 07:21:22 RST38h: MYFIRSTNAME@MYSURNAME.com.pl Sep 02 07:21:32 rmrfchik: MYFIRSTNAME@MYSURNAME.com.pl Sep 02 07:21:41 sorry RST38h Sep 02 07:21:49 maybe would need a bit lowlevel, as for IP addr aren't exactly trivial on ad-hoc aiui (meh, prolly that's the point where avahi came in here), but other than that little inconvenience adhoc seems quite siuted for obex Sep 02 07:22:15 hrw: you're triggering my spambot alarms Sep 02 07:22:32 commonly, devices use a link-local IP when on ad-hoc without a dhcp server Sep 02 07:22:40 moo hrw Sep 02 07:22:44 but I think it's bigger than a /24 Sep 02 07:22:47 DocScrutinizer: thats problem of your spambot Sep 02 07:22:57 heya johnx, Doc Sep 02 07:23:04 mornin' RST38h :D Sep 02 07:23:13 heard you were coming out here to visit Sep 02 07:23:44 moo RST38h Sep 02 07:24:02 hrw: ok, and what your names? ;) Sep 02 07:24:18 rmrfchik: that part is left for you Sep 02 07:24:30 rmrfchik: there are many ways of checking it Sep 02 07:25:15 I think his full name is "HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH" Sep 02 07:25:19 rmrfchik: took me whois much faster Sep 02 07:25:54 thats the simplest way Sep 02 07:26:11 rmrfchik: but why you need my email? Sep 02 07:26:20 * DocScrutinizer sighs Sep 02 07:26:32 hrw: well, this part of puzzle I left to you ;) Sep 02 07:30:58 Isn't it quite funny how freenet manages to use up 40% of the transatlantic datacables' capacity, by connecting vast majority of european users to US located servers like brown.freenode.net in Wisconsin or card.freenode.net, while US and australian users generally connect to kornbluth.freenode.net located in FRA Sep 02 07:31:40 DocScrutinizer: it's because of all the stupid clients going to the central pool Sep 02 07:31:40 :P Sep 02 07:31:52 or non-geo locating dns Sep 02 07:32:25 Stskeeps, ur just makin that up. what do u know about IRC? Sep 02 07:32:27 * johnx runs Sep 02 07:32:34 johnx: it's all been erased Sep 02 07:32:35 :P Sep 02 07:32:50 i'm connected to jordan.freenode.net Sep 02 07:32:55 but i've got no idea where is it Sep 02 07:33:03 (that was really hard. I kept mistyping ur ...) Sep 02 07:33:26 hmmm Sep 02 07:33:28 http://wwwapps.ups.com/tracking/tracking.cgi?tracknum=1Z5674326614790278 Sep 02 07:33:29 WTF? Sep 02 07:33:37 i doubt freenode users account for a measurable fraction of bandwidth use across the transatlantic tubes Sep 02 07:33:38 When composing an SMS, is there a way to make the Enter key (of the physical keyboard) send the SMS instead of inserting a Newline? Sep 02 07:33:58 jacekowski: whats being shipped? Sep 02 07:34:02 nid0: device Sep 02 07:34:11 but why it got to england yesterday Sep 02 07:34:14 then back to US Sep 02 07:34:19 and now back in england Sep 02 07:34:41 remembering to empty the plane before refilling it and send it back *is* hard Sep 02 07:34:46 jacekowski: UPS's fucked up system records local time only methinks Sep 02 07:35:00 jacekowski: check your MOTD in IRC Sep 02 07:35:08 my guess is you're looking at some hilarious issue where time zones are causing bullshit order of events Sep 02 07:35:26 nah, the timezones being local do match up for it going back to the states again Sep 02 07:35:43 ieatlint: well, yesterday i looked and it was just east midlands airport Sep 02 07:35:45 jacekowski: Sep 02 07:35:46 [2010-09-02 06:33:41] [MOTD] - Welcome to card.freenode.net in Washington, DC, US, kindly sponsored by Sep 02 07:35:47 [2010-09-02 06:33:41] [MOTD] - Team Cymru (http://www.team-cymru.org). Sep 02 07:35:49 [ Sep 02 07:35:50 ieatlint: then other stuff appeared Sep 02 07:36:20 nothing in motd about location Sep 02 07:36:36 unless i'm blind Sep 02 07:36:54 DocScrutinizer, awesome, so I'm connected to france as well, but to a different host there. hilariously, 60%+ of my hops are inside the US though Sep 02 07:36:54 04:56 -!- - Welcome to jordan.freenode.net in Evry, FR, EU. Sep 02 07:37:09 for me it's local host Sep 02 07:37:12 i'm connected to an oregon server that isn't that far from me really Sep 02 07:37:23 just about 2k km north :P Sep 02 07:37:34 6ms Sep 02 07:39:21 so, how would I tell xchat "Do a better job at picking a server close to you" Sep 02 07:40:20 you don't Sep 02 07:40:26 it's not xchat doing it Sep 02 07:40:30 it's freenode loadbalancer Sep 02 07:40:54 if they have one.. Sep 02 07:40:56 Just connect to a node close to you and don't look back? Sep 02 07:41:12 johnx: explicitly provide the particular server url, rather than irc.freenode.org Sep 02 07:41:24 * johnx tests something Sep 02 07:41:47 hmm Sep 02 07:41:55 The loadbalancer probably is round-robin Sep 02 07:42:10 the answer is, connect to a regional server, such as chat.us.freenode.net Sep 02 07:42:15 there's no such thing like a loadbalancer Sep 02 07:42:29 DocScrutinizer: "There is no spoon" Sep 02 07:42:52 Wild guess: Round-robin DNS Sep 02 07:43:06 oooh, irvine, CA Sep 02 07:43:07 much better Sep 02 07:43:33 you've clearly never been to irvine if you think that Sep 02 07:43:53 there's just what you get from `host -a chat.freenode.net` Sep 02 07:44:02 ieatlint, my packets have. does that count? Sep 02 07:44:16 DocScrutinizer: well i clearly remember somebody on #freenode stating that freenode doesn't do simple round robin Sep 02 07:44:38 i'm connected through central oregon but am closer to irvine, and vise-versa for you Sep 02 07:44:48 it makes sense Sep 02 07:45:01 we could switch. but you do it first Sep 02 07:45:14 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Round_robin_DNS Sep 02 07:45:16 i'm happier sending my packets north than south Sep 02 07:45:30 at least mine get to travel downhill all the way there Sep 02 07:46:09 those southern bastards took our water, they're not getting my packets Sep 02 07:46:11 jacekowski: it would seem it does, irc.freenode.org simply resolves to about 20 different addresses Sep 02 07:46:31 * johnx writes that one down to explain to users why it's faster to send email south, should really make his own BOFH calendar one day Sep 02 07:47:20 be sure to quote ted stevens in that explanation Sep 02 07:48:24 "just like water flowing downhill, when you send the email truck south through the tubes, it doesn't have to work as hard." Sep 02 07:49:55 :P Sep 02 07:51:22 I also tell people not to tilt their laptops or the data will fall off the hard drive Sep 02 07:52:29 johnx: If you tilt it, and hold it over a bucket, you have backup? Sep 02 07:53:29 nah, cause some of the bits are 'sticky' and they'll stay on the HD Sep 02 07:55:57 hey hey Sep 02 07:56:32 hey TermanaN900 Sep 02 07:58:59 Morning all Sep 02 07:59:06 mornin' Khertan Sep 02 07:59:14 you here to take the next shift from me? :) Sep 02 07:59:49 johnx: ? Sep 02 08:00:08 I mean, you always arrive when I'm about to go to sleep :) Sep 02 08:00:09 Morning, all Sep 02 08:00:27 ah ... héhé Sep 02 08:01:06 Morning Jaffa Sep 02 08:02:02 hi Jaffa Sep 02 08:06:29 I'm sorry to butt in again, but how can I make the return key send sms instead of inserting a newline? Sep 02 08:10:29 ebzzry, can't really test easily. have you tried holding ctrl or shift while hitting enter? Sep 02 08:13:00 anyways, time to catch some sleep Sep 02 08:13:03 'night all Sep 02 08:21:22 An user of Khweeteur said me that copy/paste aren't working in Khweeteur ... and isn't working in any qt apps running on his n900 Sep 02 08:21:38 someone already heard of a similar trouble , Sep 02 08:24:00 night johnx Sep 02 08:26:17 Hello. Is there any way to use networking software (web browser, Skype) via usb network connection? Sep 02 08:26:24 yep, I own N810. Sep 02 08:26:25 yup Sep 02 08:26:33 set up usb network Sep 02 08:27:26 I've set it. When I'm starting Skype, it tries to bring up wireless network Sep 02 08:28:26 Artem_: if you use a icd plugin /dummy plugin it won't bother you Sep 02 08:32:01 Sorry, what kind of plugin is it? Sep 02 08:32:23 could you pls provide me a link with its description, etc ? Sep 02 08:32:59 libicd-network-dummy Sep 02 08:33:35 Thanks, I'll try it. Sep 02 08:38:28 morning \o Sep 02 08:38:33 youhou ... before pythontidy ... pylint score 2.53, after pythontidy pylint score : 0.53 Sep 02 08:38:37 nice beautifier :) Sep 02 08:38:45 morning lcuk Sep 02 08:41:51 mornin lcuk, Khertan o/ Sep 02 08:43:09 morning frals Sep 02 08:46:38 lcuk: morning Sep 02 08:47:18 heya chaps Sep 02 08:55:06 * lcuk saw something last night I didn't expect Sep 02 08:56:47 boobies? Sep 02 09:00:19 :D Sep 02 09:00:55 no, I saw composited yuv stuff (I believe anyway, it mightv been a trick of the light) Sep 02 09:01:18 but boobies wouldv been better Sep 02 09:08:18 composited boobies Sep 02 09:11:03 scp1, that sounds more like photoshop Sep 02 09:12:06 Khertan, did twitter api change so drastically then Sep 02 09:12:41 or has the auth system been there for a while Sep 02 09:15:21 hi Sep 02 09:15:38 is it possible to turn up the volume further than it is allowed by default? Sep 02 09:16:51 In my N900 - call up a webpage that needs a login user/pwd combo, select the text area and the virtual kbd comes up, type in the username, hit return, and it takes that as a login attempt, I can not find a way to get back to the webpage/close the virtual kbd without hitting return. Any help please ? Sep 02 09:17:38 there is a small ^ somewhere on your keyboard, hit that and it will close down, alternatively clicking out of the area of the keyboard should suffice to close it Sep 02 09:17:46 lcuk: the new auth system was present since a long time Sep 02 09:17:57 lcuk: but oauth is a real pain to use Sep 02 09:18:11 Justus: thnks but that loses the input I have just typed Sep 02 09:18:28 lcuk: it s require to open a web page ... to get the credential ... and user copy paste the auth keys Sep 02 09:21:45 Justus: ok - I think I have it now - but how do I accept the predictive offering? Sep 02 09:22:35 what? Sep 02 09:23:33 jpinx-eeepc: please explain that, I honestly don't know what you mean with predictive offering Sep 02 09:23:55 when I am typing it will predict what I am typing, if it's correct, how do I accept it? Sep 02 09:25:51 I don't have my device here right now and I don't know the answer, I usually use the hw-keyboard Sep 02 09:25:55 Anyone got sshfs working on N900? Sep 02 09:26:22 zucca, yes Sep 02 09:26:43 Justus: ok thanks mate - I'm off out now anyway and i'll get back to it later :) Sep 02 09:26:55 scp1: Did you just install it or does it require any tricks? Sep 02 09:27:01 just installed it. Sep 02 09:27:33 scp1: Then there's something wrong with my settings... Sep 02 09:27:47 how come? Sep 02 09:27:57 scp1: From which repo did you install it? Sep 02 09:28:07 no idea. I'm not friends with apt yet :< Sep 02 09:28:28 scp1: Ok. Neither am I. :D Sep 02 09:28:57 ok, I'll try my problem once again: is it possible to boost the N900 speakers louder than they can get by default? Is there an amplifier plugin or something? I googled for a while but found nothing Sep 02 09:29:04 scp1: I have added diablo repo to my list because I need some of those packages too... Sep 02 09:29:22 Okay Sep 02 09:30:29 zucca, Filename: pool/fremantle/free/s/sshfs-fuse/sshfs_2.0-2maemo2_armel.deb Sep 02 09:30:41 Justus: generally not. Also there's some speaker protection that will limit speaker volume Sep 02 09:30:45 Justus: Why do you need more volume? Anyways if it is possible, I wouldn't recommend it. Sep 02 09:31:07 zucca, what's the actual problem? Sep 02 09:32:14 It's simple, my HF-200 is broken, and now I need something that I can at least use Sep 02 09:32:17 scp1: mount reports a problem withing it's subprocess. Cannot find a directory. I've double checked all the things. I'll reinstall sshfs now and disable diablo (for good). Sep 02 09:32:30 *its Sep 02 09:32:31 zucca, mount? you should not use mount Sep 02 09:32:52 zucca, sshfs -p port user@host: mountpoint Sep 02 09:32:54 scp1: I use sshfs command, but it uses mount. Sep 02 09:33:10 Justus: in digital domain all audio media is supposed to be maximum volume, and so all volume control sliders work to attenuate volume only. There's rarely any plugin or whatever that can actually boost. Sep 02 09:33:34 zucca, fwiw, I am using diablo as well Sep 02 09:33:43 and a shitload of other repos Sep 02 09:34:00 DocScrutinizer: well, than thanks anyway for the answer :( Sep 02 09:34:35 scp1: Me too. But the file path you gave earlier was from fremantle repo. I need to at least try this... Sep 02 09:34:48 btw - Jenirok is probably the greatest app ever Sep 02 09:35:41 Justus: if you'd other to elaborate on your particular problem, chances are you get better advice than when asking a question based on many assumptions Sep 02 09:35:58 s/ oth/ both/ Sep 02 09:36:00 DocScrutinizer meant: Justus: if you'd bother to elaborate on your particular problem, chances are you get better advice than when asking a question based on many assumptions Sep 02 09:36:18 lol, nice. Sep 02 09:36:38 s/ n.ce\./cool!/ Sep 02 09:36:45 :< Sep 02 09:38:15 that's corny, T-rex! Sep 02 09:38:17 s/that's c/i'm h/ Sep 02 09:38:17 Scelt meant: i'm horny, T-rex! Sep 02 09:38:21 :-D Sep 02 09:38:32 meh. my RE was valid! Sep 02 09:38:48 s/meh. // Sep 02 09:38:50 scp1 meant: my RE was valid! Sep 02 09:42:22 infobot doesn't use RE Sep 02 09:42:49 ~botsmack Sep 02 09:42:49 OWW! Sep 02 09:43:03 s/m/n/ Sep 02 09:43:03 kerio meant: ~botsnack Sep 02 09:43:08 hehe Sep 02 09:45:50 win 26 Sep 02 09:46:12 is there a way from an application to add a button that makes a call to a given number ? Sep 02 09:46:43 thomasvs: yes Sep 02 09:46:56 thomasvs: use dbus Sep 02 09:46:56 Khertan: sweet - where should I dig to find that ? Sep 02 09:47:13 aha, interesting. any examples of that, preferably in python ? Sep 02 09:48:14 thomasvs: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Make_a_phone_call Sep 02 09:48:51 Khertan: sweet, that looks good! Sep 02 09:48:54 http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Make_a_phone_call_2 Sep 02 09:49:00 Khertan: that page seems to say telepathy is a preferred way ? Sep 02 09:51:38 except for phone calls Sep 02 09:55:39 scp1: I downloaded the .deb package of sshfs by hand and tried to install it with dpkg. It seems that it needs some fuse packages from devel repos. I don't want to add delvel repos to my system, so I just have to wait. :) Sep 02 09:56:19 zucca, chicken :p Sep 02 09:59:55 scp1: Athough I could download all the fuse packages by hand and install them too... I'll just use USB cable for file access now. I had an idea to use dbus-scripts to mount my home directory on my server when there was a connection opened. Sep 02 10:05:43 Khertan, for every app it needs the same? Sep 02 10:05:47 or are you doing something wrong? Sep 02 10:05:52 Attila said "I feel many take maemo.org for granted"... it seems to me like, on the contrary, people have already turned the page and are either getting behind MeeGo or turning to Android... Sep 02 10:06:02 How do others here feel? Sep 02 10:06:27 I'm not leaving Sep 02 10:06:34 dneary: i still wear maemo.org tshirts Sep 02 10:06:34 :P Sep 02 10:06:54 stskeeps, does that give you more girls? Sep 02 10:07:04 scp1: i'm married, doesn't matter Sep 02 10:07:05 :P Sep 02 10:07:12 oh, I'm so sorry Sep 02 10:07:23 notice, he evaded the question ;) Sep 02 10:07:29 heh Sep 02 10:07:40 dneary, no attila is correct Sep 02 10:07:49 theres a lot of maemo activity Sep 02 10:07:50 dneary: but there has been an astonishing silence of how to deal with the new circumstances and even current ones .. and that building a new community from scratch can be good for better or worse Sep 02 10:08:27 Stskeeps, the intent of meego was not to build a new community from scratch was it Sep 02 10:08:41 lcuk: It seems that way Sep 02 10:08:47 else it would have been a new initiative - however people still have real feelings about compatability and purpose Sep 02 10:08:53 lcuk: no, but i think that might have been a good idea to not transfer all the skeletons in the closet Sep 02 10:08:58 Stskeeps, I agree... Sep 02 10:09:18 But then again, do you know why champaign has bubbles? Sep 02 10:09:33 goes quicker to the brain? Sep 02 10:09:34 :P Sep 02 10:10:06 The carbon dioxide in the champaign builds up on imperfections in the glass until it reaches critical size, and then turns into a bubble & goes to the surface Sep 02 10:10:21 If the glass were perfect, champaign wouldn't be fizzy Sep 02 10:10:27 lcuk: ? Sep 02 10:10:42 The imperfections give the gas opportunities to gather & make champaign what it is Sep 02 10:10:54 dneary, and is the fizzyness a good thing? Sep 02 10:10:54 (don't worry, there *is* a point to this) Sep 02 10:11:25 MNZ yes generally, the bubbles concentrate the flavour quite heavily Sep 02 10:11:28 In MeeGo there have not been a huge number of opportunities so far to make a meaningful impact Sep 02 10:11:31 i feel a 'big crack in the glass' analogy coming up Sep 02 10:11:37 No imperfections to hang on to Sep 02 10:11:45 Stskeeps, On the contrary Sep 02 10:12:18 Aside from the ARM group (which is a good place for Maemo developers to go, I imagine - you can confirm that) Sep 02 10:12:46 it's been hard to get any purchase on anything coming out of an individual effort. Sep 02 10:13:04 Stskeeps, How's the conference paper selection going, by the way? Sep 02 10:13:24 dneary: forward.. 200 pages of text Sep 02 10:13:27 I wrote to Dirk to suggest that you leave a slot for lightning talks (potentially plenary) and I volunteered to co-ordinate them Sep 02 10:13:54 dneary: if it was to his intel mail i can almost guarantee he didn't see it Sep 02 10:13:58 dneary: i'll keep it in mind though Sep 02 10:14:06 Stskeeps, Why? Sep 02 10:14:09 (he's on sabbatical so not on intel.com mail) Sep 02 10:14:23 I guess I could re-send to meego-community to get wider distribution Sep 02 10:14:45 yeah Sep 02 10:18:14 Stskeeps, Weren't you due to send notifications for talks this week? Sep 02 10:25:25 Stskeeps, even if the gtk side were put to one side, an effort to see Maemo applications on Meego would do wonders to boost things Sep 02 10:25:41 take for instance Miniature - quims cheerleading qt app Sep 02 10:26:15 to show the cross compatability thats been shouted muchly for the last however long in action Sep 02 10:26:51 but we know from Mer experience that you get help from members once they can see their creations appear Sep 02 10:31:10 lcuk: the beginning of this is when cbuild.meego.com opens Sep 02 10:31:17 lcuk: and we start having an extras-devel.. Sep 02 10:31:17 :P Sep 02 10:31:54 the beginning of this is showing a single app working Sep 02 10:32:02 and so far the first community app i have seen is from gtk Sep 02 10:32:07 agreed.. Sep 02 10:34:12 khteditor should run on meego ... when pyqt4 binding will be available Sep 02 10:34:25 should be the case for Khweeteur too Sep 02 10:34:31 just need the binding Sep 02 10:34:41 indeed Khertan and trying and seeing is important! Sep 02 10:35:31 Khertan, would it work also on the netbook image? Sep 02 10:35:43 does that already have bindings? Sep 02 10:36:47 lcuk: it should ... but there is no binding too Sep 02 10:36:52 i ve already tryed :) Sep 02 10:38:56 can you run non UI python on both? Sep 02 10:39:16 anyone got 5 minutes and their device handy? Sep 02 10:41:18 nid0, just ask and people may or may not poke Sep 02 10:41:30 i have been looking at some meta package type things recently Sep 02 10:41:42 and thinking about the recent maemo coding competition Sep 02 10:41:57 could just do with someone loading up the new version of qthello from testing, wouldnt mind seeing if it's p2p network mode actually works properly Sep 02 10:42:06 would a meta package containing all the competition entrants be something you guys would want to install Sep 02 10:42:17 (thinking in part for the next one actually) Sep 02 10:42:52 nid0, how does it do p2p stuff? Sep 02 10:43:00 does it use tubes? Sep 02 10:44:17 nid0, also the small q in qthello makes it read like "qt hello" Sep 02 10:44:42 (it's not my package, im just testing it) Sep 02 10:44:58 it was only once I clicked on the build and saw it was to be read as "Qthello" (cos its othello) that was meaning. nice play on it though :) Sep 02 10:45:04 ahh Sep 02 10:45:04 but its meant to be an othello and qt play on words i guess :p Sep 02 10:47:07 hi guys Sep 02 10:52:21 \o Venemo Sep 02 10:52:54 o7 lcuk Sep 02 10:53:58 lcuk, I'm happy there are no software patents in Europe Sep 02 10:54:03 lcuk: look at this: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7,788,474.PN.&OS=PN/7,788,474&RS=PN/7,788,474 Sep 02 10:54:11 lcuk: how ridiculous is that? Sep 02 10:55:17 Venemo, idk, not something i tend to notice Sep 02 10:55:51 ms has just patented the shutdown mechanism of an OS Sep 02 10:57:42 wait, what Sep 02 10:58:01 how come #symbian only has 40odd people Sep 02 10:58:18 where do symbianites hang out? Sep 02 10:58:23 symbianites? Sep 02 10:58:37 there are probably 40odd people happy with symbian, you know Sep 02 10:58:49 lcuk: ask those 40 people Sep 02 10:58:52 no, theres many more Sep 02 10:59:15 lcuk: (an effort to see Maemo applications) seems to me I used almost same words on same topic, some weeks ago Sep 02 11:00:19 lcuk, from a dev pov theres also #symbian.dev on efnet Sep 02 11:01:14 yeah i suppose nid0 ta for that Sep 02 11:02:50 DocScrutinizer, its been talked about for a lot longer than that Sep 02 11:04:28 sure Sep 02 11:05:54 goodbye guys, I have to go now Sep 02 11:06:32 iirc my suggestion back then was Nokia should finally implement a proper navigation app (aka ovi maps 2) on **maemo**, so showing both dedication to maemo community and faith in easy portability Sep 02 11:07:32 as additional benefit they can have proper maps on "zero day" Sep 02 11:07:44 on any future meego device Sep 02 11:08:35 community developers witnessing that for sure feel more temped to give meego a try Sep 02 11:10:26 ( s/portability/migration to meego/ ) Sep 02 11:10:49 and hello all, from yesterday another user/developer (via N900). Sep 02 11:11:20 welcome :-D Sep 02 11:13:18 thanks :-D Sep 02 11:13:44 DocScrutinizer, wheres the wikipage showing outline/spec/comparison for a map app and current candidates Sep 02 11:14:10 duh, no idea what you are talking bout :-) Sep 02 11:15:03 http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/qt_map_widget/?org_openpsa_qbpager_net_nemein_discussion_posts_page=1 Sep 02 11:15:10 Is this the page to which you refuer lcuk? Sep 02 11:15:41 at least it's the only one I ever heard of Sep 02 11:16:29 SpeedEvil, thats closest its from the mailing list Sep 02 11:16:39 I know Sep 02 11:16:59 well spotted though, its easy for threads there to get buried Sep 02 11:18:34 MNZ: you got your project started? Sep 02 11:18:46 (I'd like to join) Sep 02 11:19:17 yeah, approved, but I haven't uploaded anything yet because I have to go somewhere with a good connection :/ Sep 02 11:19:38 the name was? Sep 02 11:19:48 I get disconnected if I try to upload anything more than 400-500kb :/ Sep 02 11:20:15 https://garage.maemo.org/project/admin/?group_id=1843 Sep 02 11:20:21 oh sorry Sep 02 11:20:22 that's admin Sep 02 11:20:33 hehe Sep 02 11:20:36 http://garage.maemo.org/projects/aic34-eq/ Sep 02 11:21:44 I'm thinking of just uploading patches and be done with it, instead of the entire kernel Sep 02 11:22:30 :nod: Sep 02 11:22:51 * DocScrutinizer hopes his mail server will recover any time soon Sep 02 11:23:52 why break it? Sep 02 11:25:29 wb dneary Sep 02 11:25:38 hi Sep 02 11:27:06 update from the sudser author, he now has an N900 and will test and modify/release as required :) Sep 02 11:28:36 anybody knows how security on meego will look? Sep 02 11:28:42 as bad as maemo? Sep 02 11:30:27 DocScrutinizer, I'm new to this garage thing, what's an appropriate 'role' for you? Sep 02 11:30:35 jacekowski: you really think such details are part of the current specs or work? Sep 02 11:31:01 MNZ: no idea. usually developer, I guess Sep 02 11:31:10 (also new :-D) Sep 02 11:32:08 MNZ: As long as you don't make yourself anything else than admin ;) Sep 02 11:32:10 ehh, i'm wasting another day Sep 02 11:32:19 Otherwise you'll lock yourself out :) Sep 02 11:32:22 is it thursday? Sep 02 11:32:30 X-Fade, ah thanks for the hint Sep 02 11:32:49 wow, it's friday tomorrow Sep 02 11:33:05 ORLY? o.O Sep 02 11:33:07 yay, my weekend starts in 5 hours Sep 02 11:33:31 yay Sep 02 11:33:54 so... maybe... Sep 02 11:33:57 ehhh, i've opened 15M .exe Sep 02 11:34:03 20 minutes ago Sep 02 11:34:07 and IDA is still processing it Sep 02 11:38:02 meh, 36h til fireworks Sep 02 11:38:41 DocScrutinizer, i have spent the morning thinking its friday Sep 02 11:38:55 gutted Sep 02 11:39:18 lcuk: don't go to bed, and you can continue thinking that for another 36 hours Sep 02 11:40:22 SpeedEvil, but then i would sleep all weekend Sep 02 11:40:31 hibernation: its not just for bears. Sep 02 11:40:38 sounds like a good use of a weekend to me Sep 02 11:42:50 sleep is overrated anyway Sep 02 11:46:40 http://b3ta.com/board/10172039 Sep 02 11:52:08 I need f11 keyboard in a application .how can I use it. what key does that ? Sep 02 11:53:21 which app is that? scummvm or something? Sep 02 11:53:47 google chrome Sep 02 11:53:53 for full screen Sep 02 11:54:29 There is no f11 Sep 02 11:55:09 so why google chrome has this ? in maemo if there is no f11 ? Sep 02 11:55:38 didn't the N810 used to give F11 when you pressed fullscreen hard key? Sep 02 11:55:50 or was that mapped to something else again Sep 02 11:58:04 and another question is . how can create custom shortcut on desktop ? Sep 02 11:59:17 Sigh. Morning over. New joiners settled. Ishl Sep 02 12:06:17 if that was a proper kbd mapping and driver setup, I'd say try shift-F1, which in turn should break down to esc,Fn+Shift+Q Sep 02 12:06:47 holy hell, a 5ghz cpu Sep 02 12:06:59 i've seen 6 Sep 02 12:07:28 http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2368264,00.asp Sep 02 12:07:32 5.2ghz Sep 02 12:07:55 mintux: of course you're free to remap your kbd to meet your needs Sep 02 12:07:57 Jaffa, its not the easiest thing Sep 02 12:07:59 lcuk, crashanddie the database wasn't/isn't corrupt Sep 02 12:08:07 MohammadAG51, oooh Sep 02 12:08:09 what then Sep 02 12:08:16 the whole partition was Sep 02 12:08:25 nothing was lost, except a few avatars Sep 02 12:08:42 copied back the same "corrupt" file, conversations loaded it fine Sep 02 12:08:59 (after reflashing) Sep 02 12:09:07 plus my /home is 3GBs now :p Sep 02 12:09:19 heh awesome Sep 02 12:09:23 glad its working Sep 02 12:09:27 MohammadAG51: heh, nice :-D Sep 02 12:09:49 lcuk: Not when there's other work to do Sep 02 12:09:51 need to start using rsync though Sep 02 12:10:01 osso-backup failed yesterday Sep 02 12:10:10 it needs tar, which was a stale NFS handle Sep 02 12:10:18 lol Sep 02 12:11:22 MohammadAG51: you could have offered a spare tar to osso-backup, by installing it somewhere else (NAND?) and including to head of $PATH Sep 02 12:11:22 so umm, rsync synchronizes files, it doesn't copy the same files over and over again right? Sep 02 12:11:32 jaffa thats always the way Sep 02 12:11:39 the NAND was kinda f'd DocScrutinizer Sep 02 12:11:46 how many have you been training up Sep 02 12:11:52 ooh thought the eMMC was borked Sep 02 12:11:52 i had to use dbus to answer a call Sep 02 12:11:58 both lol Sep 02 12:12:05 WTF??! Sep 02 12:12:07 tar is part of busybox Sep 02 12:12:07 how to create shortcut for custom command on desktop? Sep 02 12:12:15 i'm not sure how busybox started Sep 02 12:12:28 gnutar was dead Sep 02 12:12:30 it was probably in a pub after lots of alcohol Sep 02 12:12:32 mintux, queen beecon or the desktop execution widget let you do stuff like that Sep 02 12:12:43 but in general you would need a .desktop file to make a menu item Sep 02 12:12:46 then add that Sep 02 12:13:44 where is .desktop file Sep 02 12:13:44 yeah, it's called 'programming' ;-P Sep 02 12:17:33 mintux, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Application_Development/Writing_a_new_maemo_application#Adding_application_to_menu Sep 02 12:17:56 http://kakaroto.homelinux.net/2010/09/update-on-psjailbreak-linux-kernel-for-n900-devices/ (I love n900 :D) Sep 02 12:43:47 the 'Fn' and Enter key have stopped working on my N810 - I can hear clicks when they're pressed, but the actions are not executed... any idea what could cause this.... or how to find out? Sep 02 12:44:09 Have you spilled soup on it? Sep 02 12:44:19 see if evkey sees them Sep 02 12:45:13 not noticeably so, no Sep 02 12:45:57 the soup, that is Sep 02 12:46:00 no coffee, either Sep 02 12:46:29 anyway, the keys as such work, else they wouldn't produce the clicking sound via the speaker Sep 02 12:46:39 what package is evkey in? Sep 02 12:47:15 the only unusual thing softwarewise was that the root filesystem was full and I had to uninstall some things Sep 02 12:54:56 what's a "Release Name" in garage? Sep 02 12:55:05 when I'm adding a new file Sep 02 12:56:11 http://psy.trapd00r.se/scrots/00-Maemo/Screenshot-20100902-144753.png :) Sep 02 12:57:32 MohammadAG, where do I get evkey from? Sep 02 12:58:01 hmm, somewhere on qwerty12's places Sep 02 12:58:07 prolly freemoe Sep 02 12:59:24 mmh Sep 02 13:19:51 someone ought to sue the neopwn guy for copyright infringement.. Sep 02 13:19:52 :P Sep 02 13:20:35 I'm unsure. Sep 02 13:20:49 I mean - devreloping stuff is often not free. Sep 02 13:20:57 And tehre are far, far worsre rthings out there. Sep 02 13:21:07 taking a kernel driver, doing modifications, publishing binary, and on top of it, demanding donations/pay? :P Sep 02 13:21:15 IIRC he's specifically stated that when costs are recovered he's opensourcing it. Sep 02 13:21:25 except both you and me know gpl doesn't work like that .. Sep 02 13:21:28 While this isn't ideal... Sep 02 13:21:31 yes Sep 02 13:21:39 In principle, both are equally as bad. Sep 02 13:22:16 the moment he distributed a .ko people can ask him for source Sep 02 13:22:17 :P Sep 02 13:22:23 In practice, shipping a hundred thousand routers with no GPL mention, and stonewalling on GPL requirements is a far bigger and more egregious offeence. Sep 02 13:22:56 probably, but it's the same kind of practice Sep 02 13:23:00 just larger scale Sep 02 13:23:50 either way, what do i care.. Sep 02 13:24:03 Oh - I agree. Sep 02 13:24:31 Also - I thought of a wrinkle in GPL. Sep 02 13:25:06 If you ship to your user source - on an encryted filesystem. You then on the first boot compile this source. Are you in fact required to give out that source? Sep 02 13:25:21 You're not distributing the binary. Sep 02 13:25:40 heh Sep 02 13:25:45 not bad Sep 02 13:27:13 SpeedEvil: you're distributing the software, and you're doing it in a format not customarily used for information exchange Sep 02 13:28:54 Stskeeps, SpeedEvil how do either of you know that he has distributed binaries? Sep 02 13:29:08 and hearsay even from him is not the same as him actually giving out binaries Sep 02 13:29:17 and you having them Sep 02 13:29:36 lcuk, debs in a package, no source Sep 02 13:29:42 at the point of infringement you can contact the maintainer (cc the EFF into it) and see what happens Sep 02 13:29:56 have you got the package? Sep 02 13:30:28 up until that point, anything is merely publicity Sep 02 13:30:51 lcuk: maintainer probably doesn't own copyright, nokia does :) Sep 02 13:31:37 is cron easy to use? Sep 02 13:32:51 koala_man: The 'customarily used' terms only apply to binaries. Sep 02 13:33:02 MohammadAG: yes Sep 02 13:33:14 koala_man: Indeed section 3 of GPL2 entirely drops out Sep 02 13:33:55 SpeedEvil: ah. well, in any case, 'The “source code” for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it.' and an encrypted fs is not the preferred form Sep 02 13:35:05 koala_man: But the encrypted source is solely to avoid clause 3 applying. Sep 02 13:35:22 Stskeeps, ok reasonable enough distinction for contacting the copyright owner afterwards, however you contact the maintainer to request the source officially. Sep 02 13:35:41 koala_man, yes it is not the preferred form because he is not distributing the source but merely avoiding distributing the binary Sep 02 13:35:44 the maintainer of a GPL package does not need to publish the source on a website Sep 02 13:35:56 SpeedEvil: it's in executable form. it can't boot if it's not executable Sep 02 13:36:05 he must however make it available upon request Sep 02 13:36:17 never mind it semi-JITing most of its code Sep 02 13:36:20 and an official request which includes EFF would be a damned good way to do it Sep 02 13:36:33 let's check apple audio updates :) Sep 02 13:36:40 hello everyone :) Sep 02 13:36:42 koala_man: You provide source of the kernel, and gzip, and gcc, and every part of the toolchain you're using to compile the source. Sep 02 13:37:20 koala_man: You do not provide copies of the GPLd source that you have distributed encrypted. You do put a copyright license saying it's GPL - as you have to in clause 1. Sep 02 13:37:43 SpeedEvil: ie you distribute the source of the fs decryptor? Sep 02 13:37:58 koala_man: yes - but not the keys Sep 02 13:38:26 actually, you don't have to distribute the decryption source if you wrote it. more obfuscation Sep 02 13:38:31 without the it can't be booted Sep 02 13:38:31 And of course, if anyone can get the source out - they are entitled to a licence. Sep 02 13:38:36 MNZ: Indeed. Sep 02 13:39:48 koala_man: For example - a DVD player with mplayer as a component that you want to avoid releasing your patches to mplayer. There would be a stock GCC, and linux kernel and dmcrypt/... This you would all release. You then have encrypted source that compiles on first boot. This you do not release. Sep 02 13:40:15 sounds like the tivoization problem Sep 02 13:40:47 which is a flaw in gpl2 Sep 02 13:41:21 verdict: Touch is glossy again, nano - eeeeew, shuffle - cool Sep 02 13:41:28 cya next year :) Sep 02 13:41:38 It's sort-of, but more aggressive, in that it allows you to distribute hacked-on GPL code without giving out sources. Tivoisation doesn't do this - it just prevents the user adding srtuff. Sep 02 13:42:53 gpl3 has solved it in both cases Sep 02 13:44:44 koala_man: In what manner? A quick skim of 3 indicates that it does not. The 'conveying non-source forms' - term - which seems to be the only place you are required to give out source - are not triggered, as you are conveying source. Sep 02 13:44:56 SpeedEvil: doesn't clause 4 apply here? you're not distributing source, you're not distributing object code, so then you can't distribute it according to the license Sep 02 13:45:35 SpeedEvil: an encrypted fs is not the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it. Sep 02 13:46:19 koala_man: Section 4 kicks in - yes - if you mean v3 - you need to give the GPL copyright notices. Sep 02 13:46:28 I meant v2 Sep 02 13:46:47 "You may not copy, modify, sublicense, or distribute the Program except as expressly provided under this License. " Sep 02 13:47:27 koala_man, where is the clause about it being preferred form for modifications Sep 02 13:47:36 lcuk: in v3 Sep 02 13:47:36 koala_man: But as far as I see - distributing encrypted source is not a violation of the GPL. Sep 02 13:47:40 i was under the impression printed copies are acceptable Sep 02 13:48:08 koala_man: As long as you do the copyright notices and ... along with it Sep 02 13:48:09 use a tiny font and pass everything through a fax Sep 02 13:48:12 lcuk: ah, that is in 3 Sep 02 13:48:15 in v2 Sep 02 13:48:55 v2 Sep 02 13:48:58 1. You may copy and distribute verbatim copies of the Program's source code as you receive it, in any medium, Sep 02 13:49:10 Company A gives company B an encrypted sourceball Sep 02 13:49:43 I see your point Sep 02 13:49:45 Company B incorporates that in their product - along with GPL notices that it's based on GPL sourcecode. Sep 02 13:49:50 hmm Sep 02 13:50:07 It's clearly against the spirit. Sep 02 13:50:12 yes Sep 02 13:50:27 but when did spirit ever matter in the judicial system Sep 02 13:50:42 Indeed. Sep 02 13:50:57 well, in pre-1950 but anyways Sep 02 13:56:28 <_trine> wow Sep 02 13:56:30 <_trine> Dear Ovi Files user, Sep 02 13:56:30 <_trine> Nokia is discontinuing the Ovi Files service, effective October 1, 2010. Sep 02 13:56:30 <_trine> We apologize for the inconvenience. Sep 02 13:56:51 <_trine> just got that Email Sep 02 13:57:47 Ah - it's nice of them to give such a generous termination period. Sep 02 13:57:48 :/ Sep 02 13:57:58 Though my only use for ovi is omelettes Sep 02 13:58:57 <_trine> http://dpaste.com/237855/ Sep 02 13:59:07 <_trine> thats the contents of their Emauil Sep 02 13:59:13 Ovi Files is shutting down? Is this in preparation of shutting down the entire Ovi service? Bad News(tm) ? Sep 02 13:59:15 <_trine> Email* Sep 02 14:02:28 _trine, the announcement is already on wikipedia....... Sep 02 14:02:36 In early September, 2010, Nokia announced to Ovi subscribers via email that it will be shutting-down the Ovi files service on October 1st, 2010. Sep 02 14:03:05 <_trine> they have only just sent me this Email Sep 02 14:03:08 theyre basically just shutting it down because it doesnt get used Sep 02 14:03:38 <_trine> I only joined about 3 weeks ago Sep 02 14:04:05 I think nokia failed miserably in integrating the ovi services with their handsets Sep 02 14:04:15 and tbh the reason it doesnt get used is because like most of Ovi, nokia are doing the whole thing bass ackwards and half-heartedly, resulting in a piss-poor job of the entire brand, as it's far too fragmented Sep 02 14:04:44 i think it's so good that it doesn't get appreciated Sep 02 14:04:57 they need to build in more barriers and ad-banners, then people will think it's worthwhile to use Sep 02 14:04:57 umm wut? Only thing they got semi-working on ovi with N900 was sharing fotos and movies. Now while it is one of the few things that works on maemo, they now go and shut it down serverside? @.O FALEWHALE Sep 02 14:05:38 well, most of it doesnt get used because theres absolutely no integration with any of it Sep 02 14:05:53 DocScrutinizer, apparently Ovi Share != Ovi Files Sep 02 14:05:59 ok Sep 02 14:06:07 for ovi stuff to work, the suite for pc's needs to provide direct access to everything under the brand, and on-device clients also need to support it. Sep 02 14:06:44 I'm willing to bet they are on their way to slowly shut down ovi...... Sep 02 14:06:56 i wonder if nokia will be pushing an update for microb's default bookmarks Sep 02 14:07:02 being as the second one on the list is ovi files Sep 02 14:07:05 uuh now I recall that silly netstorage-mockup that never really worked for linux machines Sep 02 14:07:37 only syncing service that I know works well is dropbox.com Sep 02 14:07:39 yeah KILL IT, DIE, BURN Sep 02 14:07:50 they actually have nautilus plugin, and it works well! Sep 02 14:08:16 you drag and drop files and they sync automatically. Sep 02 14:08:30 wtf is nautilus? shouldn't that read gautilus? Sep 02 14:08:41 it's the filemanager on gnome Sep 02 14:09:15 what's gautilus 0_o? Sep 02 14:09:20 :nod: that's why I suggested s/n/g/ Sep 02 14:09:31 oh hahaha Sep 02 14:09:34 nid0, share.ovi.com is not files.ovi.com as mnz just clarified Sep 02 14:09:47 lcuk i'm fully aware of that, whats your point? Sep 02 14:10:03 nah gnome are not as anal about the names as KDE with their K prefixes Sep 02 14:10:08 share.ovi.com is the link on bookmarks Sep 02 14:10:15 no, its files.ovi.com Sep 02 14:10:23 titled "Files on Ovi" Sep 02 14:10:44 click it and get taken to Ovi Files with a big notice saying "service getting discontinued as of october" Sep 02 14:10:52 but this is really not good news... ovi had good potential/intentions... it just needed some love Sep 02 14:11:05 ovi share is way the hell down at the end of the bookmark list Sep 02 14:11:16 ovi files is the second one on the default list after google Sep 02 14:11:18 nid0, looking further down my list i have another one at bottom for files Sep 02 14:11:33 which takes me to a secure connection failed lol Sep 02 14:12:23 guess we have em in a different order then, files has always been second on my microb list though, with share at the end Sep 02 14:13:11 understood, at least thats a bit more clarified and your point does stand. Sep 02 14:14:16 locale? Sep 02 14:15:00 tbh I got no clue by what criteria the bookmarks are sorted / ordered Sep 02 14:15:56 either way though, seems to be a move in totally the wrong direction. shouldnt be shutting down their useful services, they just need to actually work properly on their half-assed software to include all of the services that fall under it's brand so that people know they exist and can use them Sep 02 14:16:16 for me, those I've never visited are at the bottom, so popularity or last-visit-time might be a factor Sep 02 14:16:25 full access to all of what's available as "ovi" should need the suite installed and nothing else, not like 54094690 different driver/software/etc downloads for every little thing Sep 02 14:19:02 if they would *just* put the most elementary things like contacts/calendar sync to work... :-/ Sep 02 14:19:28 for webdavs I don't need ovi Sep 02 14:21:38 well, this is more generalised than just for the n900 Sep 02 14:21:39 neither would I advocate a monolitic nokiasuite solution that only works on winblows7 Sep 02 14:22:09 ovi was originally billed as a way to bring all nokia's previously hugely fragmented services/software under one roof Sep 02 14:22:26 all it's done is give them all the same brand name, but make them all just as disjointed and impossible to use as ever Sep 02 14:22:37 yeah, on which aim they epically failed so far Sep 02 14:26:16 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/aic34-eq/ that's pre-releasing for ya. If anyone wanna test it out Sep 02 14:29:24 nice MNZ, very nice Sep 02 14:30:08 pupnik_, thanks :-D hopefully the rest will be coming soon Sep 02 14:30:22 oh and if you are gonna test it, make sure you see https://garage.maemo.org/docman/view.php/1843/626/how_to_test.txt Sep 02 14:30:31 no device here Sep 02 14:32:09 ooh wow that is quite cool Sep 02 14:35:43 MNZ: planning on submitting it upstream to linux kernel? Sep 02 14:37:22 someone here that can lend a hand with issues installing the SDK? I am getting these errors Sep 02 14:37:37 Host kernel VDSO support... no Sep 02 14:37:43 E: Host kernel VDSO support is incompatible with scratchbox. Sep 02 14:38:08 jcrawford: grab vmware image and use it with vmware/virtualbox/qemu instead of installing sbox Sep 02 14:39:20 hrw, is there a specific reason you are stating to do that? is it easier? Sep 02 14:40:01 jcrawford: no sbox in my system, no problems with it during system updates Sep 02 14:40:35 ok well installer just went on its way Sep 02 14:40:44 now to figure out how to undo what it did so i can use the vmware image :0 Sep 02 14:41:07 thought i cannot even get to the page to download the image Sep 02 14:41:10 times out Sep 02 14:41:13 takes too long to respond Sep 02 14:41:25 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/01/swype_symbian/ Sep 02 14:41:26 hmm Sep 02 14:41:44 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php Sep 02 14:41:45 scratchbox 1.0.18 or greater works fine whatever the VDSO setting: http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2010-June/001618.html Sep 02 14:41:48 anyone that can get to that? Sep 02 14:42:18 jcrawford: no problem Sep 02 14:42:27 odd times out here Sep 02 14:42:32 must be the corp network Sep 02 14:43:31 ah was just my proxy setting got it now Sep 02 14:46:49 going to attempt to write an app for my N900 that will log GPS coords (if no internet connection) and then update my web app with the coords for placement on an ajaxified google maps Sep 02 14:46:55 so that people could watch me ride around haha Sep 02 14:47:01 just for fun nothing serious :) Sep 02 14:47:08 hello Sep 02 14:47:32 hello Sep 02 14:47:44 have installed the SyncEvolution on my Nokia N900 but don't understand the seting: Calendar Source: N900, Private, Birthdays Sep 02 14:47:57 jcrawford: www.openstreetmap.org Sep 02 14:48:37 Flyser, yea just not as nice as Gmaps :) Sep 02 14:48:54 or maybe I will use Yahoo Maps since Nokia is partnering with them and providing the map service to them Sep 02 14:48:57 jcrawford: how is gmaps "nice"? Sep 02 14:49:11 Stskeeps, eventually, probably will submit it to upstream. Nokia made some changes to the driver as well that are not in upstream too Sep 02 14:49:27 Flyser, i think it looks nicer :) plus i have never worked with the OSM api Sep 02 14:49:52 jcrawford: it *looks* nicer? Sep 02 14:50:09 you do now, that there are multiple renderers for openstreetmap data Sep 02 14:50:21 not to say "lots" Sep 02 14:51:30 MNZ: well, in meego we are only using upstreamed stuff :) Sep 02 14:51:39 MNZ: so if you notice some things missing, let us know Sep 02 14:51:46 Google has the problem that though they may take your mods - in some places - with google maps - what you can actually do with that map is very limited. Sep 02 14:52:01 An interesting map freedom test is the cake test. Sep 02 14:52:31 Can you legally as a buisness print out a map on a cake from the provider, without any issues. Sep 02 14:52:33 does OSM have an API? Sep 02 14:52:37 yes Sep 02 14:52:51 jcrawford: I use openlayers.org Sep 02 14:52:56 Stskeeps, I haven't really gotten into meego yet. So only vanilla kernel? Or do you have your own patches to the kernel as well? Sep 02 14:53:01 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/API Sep 02 14:53:03 don't know if there are others Sep 02 14:53:41 SpeedEvil, i find when i put cakes into my printer it gets a bit messy Sep 02 14:54:02 You need a better printer. Sep 02 14:54:03 does someone use accelemymote? Sep 02 14:54:11 it doesn't seem to work for me Sep 02 14:54:24 lcuk: It should have CMYK bags of sugar-icing. Sep 02 14:54:33 lcuk: as well as a chocolate dispenser. Sep 02 14:54:47 It should print on strips of bacon. Sep 02 14:54:51 bacon! Sep 02 14:54:54 yes Sep 02 14:55:09 a bacon printer would revolutionize the world Sep 02 14:55:12 bacon! Sep 02 14:56:10 bacon is one of the most common highlight hits on my irc Sep 02 14:56:23 BACON! Sep 02 14:56:30 i like bacon Sep 02 14:56:36 baconnnnnnnn Sep 02 14:56:36 http://liqbase.net/irc.bacon.png Sep 02 14:57:13 also related: http://liqbase.net/liq.20090115_233206.gary.scr.png Sep 02 14:57:16 what is liqbase :D Sep 02 14:57:33 my sleeping mind. Sep 02 14:58:11 which i should really push another update out for Sep 02 14:59:20 drizztbsd, its the framework and apps i have created whilst i have been poking around maemo Sep 02 14:59:50 search "inverse augumented reality" on youtube Sep 02 14:59:57 MNZ: we upstream everything (SGX excepted) Sep 02 15:00:12 MNZ: so we take upstream, while upstream proceeds, we backport patches Sep 02 15:00:30 kerio, tis just a fraction, but gives a good start :) Sep 02 15:00:32 link here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM Sep 02 15:00:47 Stskeeps, so the live call stuff Sep 02 15:00:56 does that still need upstreaming? Sep 02 15:01:07 This is a killer feature for a new n900 case. Sep 02 15:01:09 into ofono? Sep 02 15:01:11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7X0_6o9J10 Sep 02 15:01:31 SpeedEvil, n900 can already fly through windows Sep 02 15:01:39 and with n900fly you can tell how high it was as well :P Sep 02 15:03:20 WTF! Sep 02 15:04:51 lcuk: you noticed the telltale red lamps? Sep 02 15:05:30 Stskeeps, which version of the kernel is meego currently using? Sep 02 15:05:35 DocScrutinizer, on which? Sep 02 15:05:49 MNZ: 2.6.35 Sep 02 15:05:56 lcuk: heh Sep 02 15:05:58 the quadrocopter Sep 02 15:06:26 DocScrutinizer, oh ohhhh ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... Sep 02 15:07:18 lcuk, that kinetic scrolling in the liqbase calendar video... is it part of liqbase or the hildon framework default? Sep 02 15:07:46 mnz liqbase Sep 02 15:08:55 lcuk, just wondering why you can't get this into hildon and save many innocent lives from the torture of broken kinetic scrolling? Sep 02 15:09:06 or is integration not that easy? Sep 02 15:09:21 integration would require 3 lights constantly in front of the n900 Sep 02 15:09:30 MNZ: Check out MohammadAG's SSU. Sep 02 15:09:49 MNZ: Contains a lot of hildon fixes. Sep 02 15:10:27 X-Fade, so kinetic scrolling is actually smooth now? Sep 02 15:10:29 #maemo-ssu Sep 02 15:10:33 mnz :) the algorithm is simple but implementation within gtk isn't so simple - as X-Fade says try the hildon update from MohammadAG51 but afaik it still doesnt change generic scrolling behaviour but just on the app list Sep 02 15:10:39 nope, that's a driver problem Sep 02 15:11:02 MohammadAG, driver problem. Care to explain? Sep 02 15:11:10 there's a bug report Sep 02 15:11:22 the SGX doesn't support vsync or sth Sep 02 15:11:28 I think it's a WONFIX Sep 02 15:11:34 for maemo Sep 02 15:11:34 :P Sep 02 15:11:42 oh no I don't really care about the graphics Sep 02 15:11:45 i have an image with vsync working, just not integrated in maemo yet Sep 02 15:11:45 :P Sep 02 15:11:46 well, yes, for Maemo 5 Sep 02 15:11:49 er, meego Sep 02 15:11:58 Stskeeps, distributable? Sep 02 15:12:00 I mean the scrolling itself Sep 02 15:12:12 the scrolling is smoother on the sdk Sep 02 15:12:19 MNZ, :) like sliding on bacon fat isnt it Sep 02 15:12:31 MohammadAG51, how did you find the scrolling on your tablet? Sep 02 15:12:47 lcuk, yes! I was really surprised when you scrolled the calendar! Sep 02 15:12:48 my tablet isn't with me, left it in jordan Sep 02 15:12:55 there's an identical one here though Sep 02 15:13:00 but with XP :/ Sep 02 15:13:00 MohammadAG51: licensing still under work (goes for any sgx) Sep 02 15:13:12 Stskeeps, so you can't post it here right? Sep 02 15:13:21 hi everyone Sep 02 15:13:47 is there a way to keep the n900 display lit all the time .. like no timeout for display going off? Sep 02 15:14:09 the brightness applet allows that Sep 02 15:14:13 n900-space, install the backlight applet, its got a little tickbox nobble just for this Sep 02 15:14:20 otherwise, you could use a bash script in terminal Sep 02 15:14:24 or in the settings, tick "keep display lit when charging" Sep 02 15:14:50 maybe i get used to the bug but i don't see the problem with the scrolling in the n900 Sep 02 15:14:58 what is it ? Sep 02 15:15:05 BACON!!!!! Sep 02 15:15:08 it's not smooth Sep 02 15:15:23 see Android's and the iPhone's scrolling Sep 02 15:15:28 or liqbase for that matter Sep 02 15:15:32 the iphone's scrolling is ridiculously smooth Sep 02 15:15:38 indeed Sep 02 15:15:42 smooth when is rolling or when you drag the finger to scroll it ? Sep 02 15:15:48 where is that script to keep it lit MohammadAG51 ? Sep 02 15:16:05 n900-space, no where, you make it :P Sep 02 15:16:16 and thanks lcuk i'll try that too, it'll be available from the app manager right ? Sep 02 15:16:19 E0x, see liqcalendar Sep 02 15:16:34 n900-space, yes Sep 02 15:16:40 MohammadAG51: gimme hint then, what libs and stuff, what apis? Sep 02 15:16:56 E0x, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeVPddxHW84&NR=1 <- liqcalendar Sep 02 15:17:04 is blacklight applet's source available lcuk? Sep 02 15:17:15 n900-space, none, echo crap into /sys Sep 02 15:17:28 aha Sep 02 15:17:31 ok Sep 02 15:17:34 or just kill mce Sep 02 15:17:58 ok Sep 02 15:18:17 n900-space, yes it is Sep 02 15:18:36 :) lots of the system and most community stuff is Sep 02 15:18:43 i see now , i thought that was because so sort of sencibility settings Sep 02 15:18:46 too low Sep 02 15:18:51 in touch screen Sep 02 15:18:57 yup :) Sep 02 15:19:18 MohammadAG51, what would be good for the kinetic patch Sep 02 15:19:24 but still i think the speed is OK for me Sep 02 15:19:26 would be to make it a gconf option Sep 02 15:19:33 to follow later with a configurator Sep 02 15:19:56 lcuk, madam did that, not gconf though Sep 02 15:20:12 it's not configurable in /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini Sep 02 15:20:23 btw what exactly is liqbase ? Sep 02 15:20:40 * lcuk rewinds 20minutes Sep 02 15:21:10 what is liqbase :D Sep 02 15:21:10 my sleeping mind. Sep 02 15:21:10 which i should really push another update out for Sep 02 15:21:10 drizztbsd, its the framework and apps i have created whilst i have been poking around maemo Sep 02 15:22:52 * E0x watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUPp_mE7rwI Sep 02 15:22:59 MohammadAG51, "its not configurable" or its now configurable Sep 02 15:23:16 now Sep 02 15:23:22 oh, my bad Sep 02 15:23:24 yay Sep 02 15:23:27 hal.dll missing Sep 02 15:23:31 wtf does that mean Sep 02 15:23:46 in windows thats bad Sep 02 15:24:03 E0x, o_O that was my first video :) Sep 02 15:24:04 * Stskeeps notes that wives who can read your mind is good occasionally Sep 02 15:24:10 "should we have pizza?" in a text message Sep 02 15:24:10 :P Sep 02 15:24:15 LOL Sep 02 15:24:29 Stskeeps, :D Sep 02 15:24:47 lcuk, yeah Sep 02 15:24:50 whats worse however is she had to text you to ask that although she is sat on couch at side of you :P Sep 02 15:24:54 neither windows nor ubuntu are booting up Sep 02 15:25:02 lcuk, can you point me at liqbase source and the appropriate parts about the scrolling awesomeness? Sep 02 15:25:12 kernel panic, nice Sep 02 15:26:04 lcuk: then how you do this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM ? Sep 02 15:27:08 E0x, you tell me Sep 02 15:27:13 hehe Sep 02 15:28:30 what is the thing flircking over teh screen ? Sep 02 15:28:49 MNZ, http://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase/blob/master/src/liqcell_easypaint.c#L540 is called once per frame for components with a kinetic element Sep 02 15:28:53 look like 3 dot green Sep 02 15:28:56 it boils off the energy added Sep 02 15:29:28 lcuk, thanks Sep 02 15:29:49 lcuk, is that all or is there more to it? Sep 02 15:31:07 mnz, thats it for removing the kinetics, it simply reduces the amount of remaining kinetic energy by 1 each frame Sep 02 15:31:32 adding kinetics has a bit of filtering to remove trailing end of a stroke to ensure its not jumpy Sep 02 15:31:39 but nothing special Sep 02 15:31:46 but where do you calculate the initial amount of energy? Sep 02 15:31:48 http://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase/blob/master/src/liqcell_easyhandler_kinetic.c Sep 02 15:31:58 based on mouse deltas given Sep 02 15:32:15 so last mouse events had 10 pixels, kinetic is 10 unit Sep 02 15:32:26 sso then for the next 10 frames it will jump Sep 02 15:32:38 first 10 pixels, then 9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1 Sep 02 15:32:43 the algo is not complex at all Sep 02 15:32:56 not complex and works like a charm Sep 02 15:33:05 on faster computers it boils off faster Sep 02 15:33:12 on slower ones, well you have seen Sep 02 15:33:15 it still works Sep 02 15:33:32 yeah, it's frame rate dependent, will think about that later though Sep 02 15:34:27 mnz, it would be trivial to change it from linear to based on time fractions Sep 02 15:34:32 but i neve rsaw the point Sep 02 15:35:12 yeah I understand, it's not a big deal. It's just about how to use this same method in hildon. Sep 02 15:35:20 has someone attempted this before? Sep 02 15:35:39 its been discussed at different times yeah Sep 02 15:35:48 hence the tweaking and stuff in hildon itself Sep 02 15:35:57 and the end result of discussions...? Sep 02 15:36:12 its been changed Sep 02 15:36:22 and we now have 2 versions :P Sep 02 15:36:44 one official hildon one which lots seem happy with based on rendering speed etc Sep 02 15:36:48 and the other that MohammadAG51 likes Sep 02 15:37:35 is this the one in the SSU that MohammadAG51 likes? AIUI the scrolling is just smoother for the menu Sep 02 15:38:00 yes mnz, this change has to my knowledge not been attempted direct in gtk Sep 02 15:38:17 so wouldnt change (for ex) the normal lists Sep 02 15:38:19 slow scrolling in the contacts list or similar stopped annoying me Sep 02 15:38:33 it's not a hildon issue, it's an SGX one Sep 02 15:38:47 ok, so I won't be duplicating effort. good to know Sep 02 15:39:07 MohammadAG51, again, not talking about graphics. I don't care about it. I want the scrolling to be faster/smoother Sep 02 15:41:06 it's really weird in the current state IMHO. It'd be going really fast then suddenly tumble over like a trailer truck with full brakes on Sep 02 15:42:25 Stskeeps, you mentioned new sgx driver on some meego n900 image. i am guessing that would be compatible with hildon Sep 02 15:42:29 with maemo Sep 02 15:43:52 hildon wouldnt benefit from it. compositoright Sep 02 15:44:11 hence me fixing the line Sep 02 15:44:18 the sgx binary on maemo i mean Sep 02 15:45:28 i have an image with vsync working, just not integrated in [meego] yet Sep 02 15:49:00 i would love to see vsync in maemo 5 ported from meego Sep 02 16:09:46 Stskeeps: Do you know why OMAP_DMA_DATA_BURST_4 is comment out in drivers/mtd/nand/omap-hw.c? I ask this because the omap-aes driver has dma problems, is it known to be broken? Sep 02 16:09:50 no Sep 02 16:09:57 (i have no idea about kernel code) Sep 02 16:11:40 Ok, thanks. Maybe i should just try to comment it out as well... but this would be a huge hit on performance, i suspect about 30% Sep 02 16:14:42 OMAP_DMA_DATA_BURST_4 and OMAP_DMA_DATA_BURST_8 are comment out, I found OMAP_DMA_DATA_BURST_16 in omap-pcm.c, which is not comment out, so I suspect it is safe. Anyone know what this is, diffrent dma burst modes? Sep 02 16:21:42 As i have suspected, different modes of burst; BURST_4 & BURST_8 are defined as burst = 0x2; and BURST_16 is defined as burst = 0x3; for omap3 Sep 02 16:23:11 tobis87, hmm i don't hear much about DMA burst modes Sep 02 16:24:39 lcuk: http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/arch/arm/plat-omap/dma.c omap_set_dma_src_burst_mode omap_set_dma_dest_burst_mode Sep 02 16:25:55 tobis87, i realise the code is there, what i meant was i dont hear many people talking about it in polite conversation Sep 02 16:28:28 lcuk: I don't know what it does, so I put it in here in hope someone knows and can help me with it. Sep 02 16:30:21 indeed tobis87 Sep 02 16:30:44 tobis87, perhaps for this discussion you will be best on the maemo-dev mailing list Sep 02 16:33:55 lcuk: Do you mean this mailing list? It seems to be about 95% releated to programs, http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-August/date.html Sep 02 16:41:11 tobis87, so stand out from the crowd and make a post to it which asks the right question and gets attention required. Sep 02 16:44:46 lcuk: Ok, I will consider this... It is by the way an interesting find, it is the only piece commented out I found (+//) in the kernel patch... I therefore suspect it is a hardware flaw, the nand could be accessed faster in burst mode. Sep 02 16:44:57 hey, GPLed ps3 jailbreak Sep 02 16:49:52 which will work until the next firwmare update I expect Sep 02 16:50:14 hmm... it's something that happens before the OS is loaded, i think Sep 02 16:50:23 heap overflow with the usb hw code Sep 02 16:53:34 yeah, iirc it spams the system with usb devices connecting and disconnecting Sep 02 16:58:17 hey, has anyone noticed any scripts/investigation ongoing related to directly booting n900 and using external MMC only - ie totally ignoring the original eMMC and perhaps doing full dualboot onto a self contained external MMC Sep 02 16:58:34 hi guys Sep 02 16:59:02 lcuk: ask the NITdroid guys Sep 02 16:59:25 bah, i meant maemo Sep 02 16:59:53 hi Sep 02 17:00:04 can i ask n900 questions in here? Sep 02 17:00:36 yes Sep 02 17:00:37 lcuk: yes, but they may have experience with how to boot an OS from the MMC Sep 02 17:01:02 Venemo, OS boot is secondary Sep 02 17:01:09 assume broken eMMC Sep 02 17:01:14 jamesw: hi Sep 02 17:01:14 jamesw: yes, of course Sep 02 17:01:15 and still wanting n900 to happily work Sep 02 17:01:23 using the external mmc as storage and opt space Sep 02 17:02:54 i just got an n900 after eying it for a long time, really loving it. my device screen says i have 10.2010.19-1.002 but i've seen version numbers reported as PR1.2 or such, can someone please help me interpret that? Sep 02 17:03:13 yes Sep 02 17:03:15 thats pr1.2 Sep 02 17:03:20 it was released on week19 Sep 02 17:03:53 so is there another version label i should go off of somewhere? Sep 02 17:04:11 lcuk: ah, interesing... Sep 02 17:04:20 lcuk: is your eMMC broken? Sep 02 17:05:07 i don't see "skype video call" in my contact view :( Sep 02 17:05:09 no but its something that has been raised in a discussion Sep 02 17:06:00 jamesw, the contact you want to call has to be skype compatable afaik but I do not know the specifics Sep 02 17:06:22 the button is shown only with whatever the criteria are Sep 02 17:06:23 yeah… he's on desktop skype he said.. and i see the option to call him, audio skype calls work Sep 02 17:07:34 jamesw: Skype video call isn't really usable Sep 02 17:07:40 it only works if the other person also has N900 Sep 02 17:07:44 or the latest Windows beta Sep 02 17:07:49 "Remember that you can only video call Skype-to-Skype with a contact who’s using either a Nokia N900 or Skype 4.2 for Windows (or later versions)." https://support.skype.com/faq/FA10610/How-do-I-make-a-Skype-video-call-with-the-Nokia-N900?frompage=category Sep 02 17:09:02 okay i see the option on another contact Sep 02 17:09:25 interesting. thanks guys. i'm sure i'll be back and i'll get to know everyone. :) Sep 02 17:09:37 looking forward to being a member in the community Sep 02 17:09:42 ttyl Sep 02 17:19:54 from Jamesw's link Sep 02 17:20:05 there's plans for a new firmware in near time? Sep 02 17:20:17 it says August 2010 Sep 02 17:30:51 satmd: no Sep 02 17:32:57 satmd: maybe, look at the last comment on bug 10294. Sep 02 17:32:58 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10294 Email desktop widget does not display mails from Nokia Messaging accounts Sep 02 17:36:50 * satmd is so hoping, bug 11182 is getting a serious look, too Sep 02 17:36:51 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11182 EAP-TLS warning "certificate not valid currently" Sep 02 17:50:09 * luke-jr wonders if SkypeKit would work with N900 video Sep 02 17:51:57 i have a big problem, my n900 is too discharged and it won't charge anymore Sep 02 17:52:11 did you play around with overclocking or nitdroid? Sep 02 17:52:11 :P Sep 02 17:52:31 nitdroid :P Sep 02 17:52:47 get another device to charge it in Sep 02 17:52:48 :P Sep 02 17:52:54 uhm sh*t Sep 02 17:53:02 is there any other way to charge that battery? Sep 02 17:53:12 well, reflash maemo Sep 02 17:53:32 Suitable USB device not found, waiting. Sep 02 17:54:50 drizztbsd: the dead-charge won't work⁇ Sep 02 17:55:07 drizztbsd: best thing you can do is to put it on wall charger Sep 02 17:55:16 drizztbsd: connect it to normal charger Sep 02 17:55:23 drizztbsd: and DON'T touch Sep 02 17:55:32 drizztbsd: it will go into emergency charge mode and charge Sep 02 17:55:42 so I have to see it to reboot 100 times :P ? Sep 02 17:55:45 drizztbsd: if you touch it it will charge little bit Sep 02 17:55:56 drizztbsd: not enough to boot Sep 02 17:56:10 bilboed: but enough to don't initiate emergency charge Sep 02 17:56:22 drizztbsd: well, you have to wait then Sep 02 17:56:40 or you are experiencing reboot loop Sep 02 17:56:46 and flashing will help Sep 02 17:56:56 i have a reboot loop Sep 02 17:57:12 Anybody else have weirdness with their term history? Sep 02 17:57:19 in maemo? Sep 02 17:57:21 occasionally Sep 02 17:57:42 It only remembers stuff from, like, 3 months ago Sep 02 17:57:46 GAN900: yes Sep 02 17:57:54 GAN900: it only stores couple entries Sep 02 17:57:55 Or sometimes it'll remember stuff from a few weeks ago Sep 02 17:58:01 hmm, no Sep 02 17:58:01 Then goes back to 3 months ago. Sep 02 17:58:53 it will only "remember" stuff if you properly exit the shell Sep 02 17:59:00 by typing exit; at least in my experience Sep 02 17:59:06 and the history is very short Sep 02 17:59:18 so I type in the few things I need most, then exit, and never exit again :P Sep 02 18:00:04 I am not sure, but if you open 2 shells it might cause it to have selective memory too Sep 02 18:00:11 Ah, well Sep 02 18:00:15 I usually hit the x Sep 02 18:00:36 Obnoxious setup, that. Sep 02 18:00:48 GAN900: that's basically crashing the window ;) Sep 02 18:01:27 why will my clock not rotate to portrait? Sep 02 18:01:51 jpinx-eeepc, clearly an implementation bug. Sep 02 18:02:27 there's a few ;) Sep 02 18:03:02 calender won't scroll a week at a time when showing the month Sep 02 18:03:06 stuff like that Sep 02 18:05:24 Clutter. How aptly named. Sep 02 18:07:54 GAN900, 2 things: i notice when I ssh from n900 if i just close the xterm by its x, it doesnt save the history Sep 02 18:08:18 and at some point i have noticed some user permissions thing Sep 02 18:08:47 lcuk: yes, it seems pressing X to close will forcably close it without it saving history, using "exit" saves history. Sep 02 18:10:23 I have now the orange led always on Sep 02 18:10:44 is the emergency charging? Sep 02 18:10:52 SwedeMike, guessing also same goes for sudo gainroot stuff Sep 02 18:12:16 SwedeMike: yes, it works that way Sep 02 18:17:04 uhm Sep 02 18:17:19 can I make a simple BL-5J charger? maybe using another one? :) Sep 02 18:18:52 drizztbsd: yes, you can Sep 02 18:19:11 drizztbsd: see the "charging from dumb power sources" thread on TMO Sep 02 18:24:52 Hi Sep 02 18:25:51 johnsq: hi Sep 02 18:26:47 jacekowski, was it you who recommended an external battery charger for the freerunner? Sep 02 18:27:34 no Sep 02 18:27:51 i charge my batteries with power supply Sep 02 18:28:00 with current/voltage limiter Sep 02 18:32:29 jacekowski: how? Sep 02 18:34:06 well, just connect battery to power supply Sep 02 18:34:24 set limiter to 900mA as a safe current Sep 02 18:34:30 and nominal battery voltage Sep 02 18:35:22 http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2010/08/24/full-body-scan-technology-deployed-in-street-roving-vans/ [ Full-Body Scan Technology Deployed In Street-Roving Vans - Andy Greenberg - The Firewall - Forbes ] Sep 02 18:38:42 pupnik, the only people who should fear that are criminals. :P Sep 02 18:40:03 and everyone who is forced to pay for it should hate it Sep 02 18:47:00 pupnik, hate it? But surely it's keeping you safe from said body-scan-truck fearing criminals. Sep 02 18:48:00 GAN900: Criminals and those who haven't gotten their healthy dose of backscatter radiation at the dentist. Sep 02 18:48:13 merlincorey: you could add a line in your bashrc that moves the bash_history with a timestamp in its name to a separate folder Sep 02 18:48:28 everytime you login/logout Sep 02 18:49:46 Stskeeps, around? Sep 02 18:51:17 TomaszD: sortof Sep 02 18:51:47 Stskeeps, http://picasaweb.google.com/piotr1982r/XIIWRPPasEk2729082010#5511873260724279938 onwards :) Sep 02 18:52:19 ah, the photos of your trip to the roads of warsaw ;) Sep 02 18:52:31 the small 4x4 with the softtop is ours Sep 02 19:12:03 since smoku has stopped coding for maemo the sixaxis-support sources is also gone. Is there are backup of sixaxis-support sources? Sep 02 19:12:13 http://github.com/smokku/sixaxis-support is empty Sep 02 19:16:29 trumee, did he push to -devel? Sep 02 19:16:29 if so, the sources will be on maemo.org repository in a convenient tar.gz, whats the package name Sep 02 19:16:45 lcuk: sixaxis-support Sep 02 19:16:54 trumee, Sep 02 19:16:54 http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras_free_source/sixaxis-support/1.2-2/ Sep 02 19:17:13 so, yes :) Sep 02 19:17:20 lcuk: ah. good. Sep 02 19:17:52 indeed :) Sep 02 19:18:13 hmm Sep 02 19:20:39 lcuk: where is the source of sixad, http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/sixad/1.3.0-0maemo2/ ? Sep 02 19:20:50 trumee, following it, that package is empty Sep 02 19:20:50 http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras_free_source/qtsixa/1.3.0-0maemo2/ Sep 02 19:20:55 is where the meat is afaik Sep 02 19:21:15 i just pasted the link trumee Sep 02 19:21:46 lcuk: so the binary of qtsixa is sixad? Sep 02 19:22:26 lcuk: i thought there were some changes to qtsixa and resulting code was sixad? Sep 02 19:22:38 trumee, yes the resulting package from qtsixa source is sixad Sep 02 19:23:09 look inside the qtsixa tar.gz inside the debian/control file it is clarified Sep 02 19:24:31 lcuk: thanks Sep 02 19:37:15 using a simple 770 tablet for heads-up display http://www.marceloeduardo.com/blog/design/user-interface-design/what-i-belive-maemo-can-transformproducts Sep 02 19:38:35 pupnik, and as feasible today as it was when posted in 2007! Sep 02 19:52:27 I want a HUD Sep 02 19:52:41 I can't wait for the 2013 BMW M3 with MeeGo. Sep 02 19:53:59 GAN900, it does actually sound good Sep 02 19:54:12 tho the digital speedo on my car took a while to get used to Sep 02 19:54:20 Hopefully it's not completely crippled. Sep 02 19:54:38 yeah, the controls in a car are perhaps the most tricky to computerise Sep 02 19:55:00 apt-get install tuxracer? Sep 02 19:56:08 is tuxrace is there Sep 02 19:56:10 but not tuxracer Sep 02 19:56:18 * lcuk wonders if its the same thing Sep 02 19:58:03 DocScrutinizer, the sudser author has an n900 and will test/release for it Sep 02 19:58:08 he mailed me this morning Sep 02 19:59:38 Planet Penguin Racer > Tux Racer Sep 02 20:00:36 tuxrace 71mb Sep 02 20:00:50 build-essential is about the same size i think :D Sep 02 20:01:34 so...the n900 is in a diaper commercial... what a sad end to what coulda been Sep 02 20:01:49 N900brotha: we missed you too Sep 02 20:02:54 what are you referring to? Sep 02 20:02:59 is sauerbraten ported yet? Sep 02 20:03:02 it's a kickass FPS Sep 02 20:03:23 haha tuxrace is the right one and it works :D Sep 02 20:03:30 damn how the heck do you ssh to the N900? I installed OpenSSH and USBNet but it keeps denying my root password Sep 02 20:03:34 i did sudo gainroot Sep 02 20:03:38 then passwd and set a password Sep 02 20:03:42 it still will not let me in Sep 02 20:04:05 jcrawford, the usb side may be whats not configured correctly Sep 02 20:04:12 forget ssh until you know you can correctly ping it Sep 02 20:04:31 jcrawford, more often than not you ssh to the wrong machine..... the curse of the DHCP Sep 02 20:05:09 you did pick a password? Sep 02 20:05:24 im surprised at the level of activity in this chat room all things considered...a cheerful bunch are we not? Sep 02 20:05:36 N900brotha, very Sep 02 20:05:59 tuxrace using just cursor keys needs switching Sep 02 20:06:01 hmm Sep 02 20:06:29 i did set a password using the passwd command Sep 02 20:06:37 any good new apps for N900 lately ? Sep 02 20:06:37 how can i see from the device what the usb ip is? Sep 02 20:06:51 N900brotha: we know well who you are :P Sep 02 20:06:51 i did it on my ubuntu machine and it said 192.168.2.16 Sep 02 20:07:00 ifconfig Sep 02 20:07:05 phone has probably .15 Sep 02 20:07:08 ifconfig is not supported on the N900 Sep 02 20:07:11 so says the terminal Sep 02 20:07:15 it is Sep 02 20:07:18 sudo gainroot Sep 02 20:07:20 Stskeeps: what is this? the FBI channel? Sep 02 20:07:21 and then ifconfig Sep 02 20:07:22 ah Sep 02 20:07:25 yea saw that :) Sep 02 20:07:30 and it is *.15 Sep 02 20:07:42 still denied Sep 02 20:07:44 wtf Sep 02 20:07:44 /sbin/ifconfig is in my history Sep 02 20:08:07 /sbin/ifconfig works Sep 02 20:08:14 it's just not in the path for user Sep 02 20:08:18 yea Sep 02 20:08:33 any news on n9? Sep 02 20:08:44 it looks like a macbook pro Sep 02 20:08:52 apart from that, it's an upgraded n900 Sep 02 20:09:05 N900brotha: close enough Sep 02 20:09:08 with omap4 Sep 02 20:09:13 smp Sep 02 20:09:17 so odd my computer says .15 and the device says .15 lol Sep 02 20:09:18 kerio: no... its 1000 times better than n900 Sep 02 20:09:23 less battery life probably Sep 02 20:09:32 i suppose it can drain it in minutes now Sep 02 20:09:33 not hours Sep 02 20:10:10 cheer up fellas Sep 02 20:10:22 kiiiick Sep 02 20:10:22 noooo Sep 02 20:10:26 3 Sep 02 20:10:28 2 Sep 02 20:10:31 1 Sep 02 20:10:42 aw Sep 02 20:10:46 awwwwwwww Sep 02 20:10:49 he was ban evading Sep 02 20:10:50 :P Sep 02 20:10:55 sigh Sep 02 20:10:58 that troll Sep 02 20:11:05 Stskeeps: wtf? Sep 02 20:11:10 that ban you set.... I don't think it's a good idea Sep 02 20:11:26 yeah, don't do that Sep 02 20:11:30 IP bans are not worth it Sep 02 20:11:40 you just banned 65536 addresses Sep 02 20:11:43 we had this discussion already. Sep 02 20:12:12 MNZ: you forgot broadcast addresses Sep 02 20:12:35 Banning 64k addresses is not normal. On #maemo it is. Sep 02 20:12:39 #maemo - not even once. Sep 02 20:12:47 ehh Sep 02 20:12:52 i used to ban /8 sometimes Sep 02 20:13:12 when i was ircop on small network we used to run for game purpose Sep 02 20:13:14 kerio: it is fairly normal practice when it's a whole ISP and the person in question repeatedly trolls. Sep 02 20:13:18 but we had 2k users online Sep 02 20:13:26 lets just ban whole countries now Sep 02 20:13:34 ban finland Sep 02 20:13:45 nooo... :) Sep 02 20:13:48 :D Sep 02 20:13:58 i would be really against it but i guess that registered users are still ok Sep 02 20:14:00 so, any of you backseat ops got a better idea for what would keep this guy out? Sep 02 20:14:21 check irc logs and come up with a better mask, please. Sep 02 20:14:37 hmm Sep 02 20:14:43 N900brotha!*@* Sep 02 20:14:52 he changes nicks like underwear. Sep 02 20:15:00 ident Sep 02 20:15:00 and N9OObrotha? Sep 02 20:15:04 ban his ident Sep 02 20:15:06 or realname Sep 02 20:15:20 jacekowski: no ident on webchat, ~user is already banned. Sep 02 20:15:27 jacekowski: not to break the news to you... idents and real names can be changed Sep 02 20:15:34 i mean, i have my own identd Sep 02 20:15:34 yeah Sep 02 20:15:35 can we please face reality? you know you can't really ban him Sep 02 20:15:40 proxies are there for a reason :/ Sep 02 20:15:45 Identd is completely secure! Sep 02 20:15:45 proxies are detected Sep 02 20:15:46 Stskeeps, he is still blocked on mine Sep 02 20:15:47 but do you think he's clever enough to change it? Sep 02 20:15:56 tho i have no idea how i put him on my ignore list Sep 02 20:16:00 same ip as last time Sep 02 20:16:09 i just saw you kicked him Sep 02 20:16:14 then realised i had missed him ranting Sep 02 20:16:35 aw lets just troll the troll please. pretty please? Sep 02 20:16:40 force a nickserv identification Sep 02 20:16:56 *@*74.198.8.47 YES YES YES YES YES YES NO Sep 02 20:16:58 MNZ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdiz0k0Rudw Sep 02 20:17:02 is the ban i have for him Sep 02 20:17:14 and i set that up a while ago after i had enough Sep 02 20:17:27 ie, he dont change his ip that often Sep 02 20:18:08 just checked logs, i have several different ones for him. Sep 02 20:19:47 kerio, keewus true yagho loghos? I don't get it. no seriously. I don't Sep 02 20:21:08 really, you can quiet non-identified users Sep 02 20:21:37 kerio: sure, and cut off a large bunch of this channel too.. Sep 02 20:21:37 :P Sep 02 20:21:52 Stskeeps: they could just, you know, register Sep 02 20:23:49 kerio, been there, done that got tshirt Sep 02 20:23:52 causes more problems Sep 02 20:24:19 and theres a trickle of 74.198.* vs the amount of hassle quieting does Sep 02 20:25:09 Stskeeps, in meego at least since july he has been the only 74.198er Sep 02 20:27:12 kerio, sauerbraten, which gl is it written in, can it be ported? does it already run? Sep 02 20:29:17 hi, is there an OCR reader for Maemo (N900) ? Sep 02 20:30:04 opengl Sep 02 20:30:12 graphically intensive though Sep 02 20:30:23 opensource, so that's a plus Sep 02 20:30:28 http://sauerbraten.org/ Sep 02 20:30:32 *really* cool Sep 02 20:30:39 it's just mindless killing Sep 02 20:30:47 although there are some team-based modes Sep 02 20:32:10 probably the weirdest product placement, ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpe3QsZP-gE Sep 02 20:34:29 does the N900 support WebRuntime Apps? Sep 02 20:34:37 moin Sep 02 20:34:43 nuovodna, i havent seen any tbh Sep 02 20:34:55 and jcrawford not sure what support is where Sep 02 20:36:53 Stskeeps: it was really hard to find cellphone that fat to fit their "product" :D Sep 02 20:38:23 LOL DIAPER Sep 02 20:38:33 they should pour the water on the n900 too Sep 02 20:44:48 kerio, could sauerbraten run on N900? is opengl supported? Sep 02 20:48:17 can cold flash help me? Sep 02 20:52:51 kerio, I get it. I finally do. The answer is no, no I'm not. Sep 02 20:56:30 what is the difference of 2101 and 2201 and where can I found that product number? Sep 02 20:57:59 drizztbsd, -100 Sep 02 20:58:48 :) Sep 02 20:59:27 drizztbsd, where are you reading it and have you tried normal flashing (just spotted something in scrollback Sep 02 20:59:51 yes Sep 02 20:59:57 the battery is too low Sep 02 21:00:06 and it won't charge Sep 02 21:00:31 loser Sep 02 21:01:25 ahh drizztbsd idk answer to that, people tried helping up there about it i saw though Sep 02 21:01:33 none of that helped i gather? Sep 02 21:04:12 lcuk: (sudser) it's as sophisticated as *#-enabler - a 5liner postinstall. The question isn't how/who to test it on m5/n900, the concerns are if it's a basically god or evil idea to allow root without password Sep 02 21:06:25 ( *** Stskeeps setzt Modus: +b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.198.) THANKS Sep 02 21:07:03 DocScrutinizer why? Sep 02 21:07:27 i log in from webgate sometimes Sep 02 21:07:40 N900*a and certain IPs is a guaranteed PITA Sep 02 21:08:25 so? Sep 02 21:08:49 DocScrutinizer, we have kernels which can overclock the device Sep 02 21:08:50 this dude is trolling here since months, and I thought "WTF?! him again?" while reading backscroll, before I ran into Stskeeps taking care of it. So I don't have to do Sep 02 21:09:31 DocScrutinizer, that's true Sep 02 21:09:41 i'm the troll king here Sep 02 21:09:45 let's keep it like that Sep 02 21:10:07 so, as I'm not really here (you just think I am)... cya, I know channel is cosy and warm Sep 02 21:10:30 * ZogG hugs DocScrutinizer Sep 02 21:11:38 she is damn hot Sep 02 21:11:42 * ZogG mp> Tekken.2010.1080p.BluRay.x264-ELiTE.mkv [1920x816 H264 1000.000fps] Sep 02 21:19:33 fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck Dx Sep 02 21:19:48 storage format not supported Sep 02 21:20:13 about getting an invisible shield on the n900... Sep 02 21:20:26 i hadn't even got to 1 Ghz, but is seems it was enough to screw the internal memory Dx Sep 02 21:20:27 someone from germany that can tell me a shop who _does_ it? Sep 02 21:21:28 TiagoTiago ? Sep 02 21:21:39 somthing went wrong with my N900 Sep 02 21:21:51 trumee: if someone ports it Sep 02 21:21:55 reboot Sep 02 21:21:56 it's opensource and it uses opengl Sep 02 21:22:01 it's also huge Sep 02 21:22:03 on every reboot it gets worse Sep 02 21:22:15 now even the textures for the pin entry keypad are missing Sep 02 21:22:18 Have you reflashed to stock kernel? Sep 02 21:22:19 and since it's a fps, it's really not playable without fullsize kbd+mouse Sep 02 21:22:24 At stock speed? Sep 02 21:22:40 the fonts are missing Sep 02 21:22:48 i had OC'd to 900 Sep 02 21:22:49 fucked up /opt/ then Sep 02 21:22:52 oh Sep 02 21:22:59 hope you fucked up /opt/ Sep 02 21:23:02 kerio, with a ps3 controller? Sep 02 21:23:11 trumee: you... you play FPSes with a controller? Sep 02 21:23:14 BURN IN HELL Sep 02 21:23:21 any way i can fix this without having to reinstall everything? Sep 02 21:23:38 i never understood why people are overclocking in first place... it's a magnet for bricking and does nothing more than drain your battery more. Sep 02 21:23:47 Overclocking can cause massive filesystem corruption. Sep 02 21:23:53 SpeedEvil: huh? Sep 02 21:23:53 kerio, nope never played an fps with a controller. Sep 02 21:23:54 how? Sep 02 21:24:06 kerio: What do you mean how. Sep 02 21:24:15 isn't iut supposed to make battery last longer? It make thing be done is less time, and it uses lower voltages and stuff Sep 02 21:24:31 tommorrow people are installing gentoo on n900, compiling everything to squeeze out the last ms or smsthng. Sep 02 21:24:33 SpeedEvil: must be one hell of a cpu fuckup Sep 02 21:24:34 kerio: 2+2=5 - and suddenly your filesystem gets a whole lort more surreal. Sep 02 21:24:36 kerio, but sixaxis would be better than N900 keyb Sep 02 21:24:42 i mean - wtf :D Sep 02 21:24:53 steinex: probably more accurate to say tomorrow they are /starting/ to install it :) Sep 02 21:24:55 :( Sep 02 21:25:26 SpeedEvil, Surrealist FS is so much more fun, though. Sep 02 21:25:45 SpeedEvil: we need a quantistic filesystem Sep 02 21:26:01 that's always in a entangled state of consistant and inconsistant Sep 02 21:26:25 trumee: hmm Sep 02 21:26:26 is i manage to acess it with ssh, is there a checkdisk or somthign i can run? Sep 02 21:26:34 gamegripper + stylus to aim? Sep 02 21:26:41 that's the only thing i can think of Sep 02 21:26:51 but then you can't shoot Sep 02 21:26:52 :( Sep 02 21:27:10 meh, game gripper + bt mouse Sep 02 21:27:26 TiagoTiago: long story short - if you reboot at normal speed and things are still screwed you most probably screwed your device. Sep 02 21:27:34 :( Sep 02 21:27:37 TiagoTiago: hmm Sep 02 21:27:41 the fs is definetely fucked Sep 02 21:27:41 TiagoTiago: i really hope a reflash will fix it, but i doubt it Sep 02 21:27:43 so reflash Sep 02 21:27:48 Dx Sep 02 21:27:51 why wouldn't it fix stuff Sep 02 21:28:01 it's not like he fucked up the eMMC Sep 02 21:28:03 if the damage was physical Sep 02 21:28:11 he temporarily fucked up the cpu Sep 02 21:28:18 hope it will go back to normal Sep 02 21:28:22 and DON'T OVERCLOCK Sep 02 21:29:10 tomorrow I will charge the battery using the hardware-lab power source, with 3.7 v and 900mA Sep 02 21:29:12 i hate how there are those scary warnings and yet people all keep trying to push others to do it too :( Sep 02 21:29:58 TiagoTiago: it's because we're looking for lab rats Sep 02 21:29:59 damn i do not have working google sync solution anymore. first m.google.com stopped working for me, now nuevasync is all fscked up Sep 02 21:30:48 is there any chance i'll not have to reinswtall everything? Sep 02 21:30:55 TiagoTiago: probably not Sep 02 21:31:03 *this* kind of fuckup is only solved by a full reinstall Sep 02 21:31:05 :( Sep 02 21:31:12 because really, you don't have a way to check *what* has been lost Sep 02 21:31:47 why i can't run a chkdisk to fix the fs? Sep 02 21:32:19 ok TiagoTiago, just open x-term and run fsck Sep 02 21:32:47 is it jsut gonna tell me it can't do it, or is it gonna fuck things up even worse? Sep 02 21:33:00 idk, i thought you couldnt even bootup Sep 02 21:33:13 i can, but the font i9s gone, it's all squares Sep 02 21:33:21 i can access via SSH though Sep 02 21:33:33 you have lost your /opt partition then Sep 02 21:33:41 then go and see whats there Sep 02 21:33:48 see if mydocs is etc Sep 02 21:33:52 pymaemo and nothign else last i checked Sep 02 21:34:11 mydocs is most important i would imagine Sep 02 21:34:16 since thats where your data is Sep 02 21:34:49 booting up again to see if fsck works Sep 02 21:35:05 well see if the folderrs exist first Sep 02 21:35:08 its missing a mount Sep 02 21:35:19 i didnt think you could get in Sep 02 21:35:20 i shut it down cause i remember reading that file system keeps rotating the files around and would continuously fuck thigns more and more once somthing goes wrong Sep 02 21:35:38 well you overclocking has already done that really Sep 02 21:36:38 inside /opt it only has pymaemo Sep 02 21:37:19 MyDocs seems to be intact Sep 02 21:37:38 at least it is there and has many files and folders inside Sep 02 21:38:33 TiagoTiago, a suggestion: back them up Sep 02 21:38:42 how? Sep 02 21:38:50 you have ssh Sep 02 21:38:51 yep Sep 02 21:38:52 do you have usb Sep 02 21:38:56 ok Sep 02 21:39:04 i'm connecting via wifi though Sep 02 21:39:09 but really, your device is being odd Sep 02 21:39:14 you still have access to it Sep 02 21:39:15 :( Sep 02 21:39:17 plug it into usb Sep 02 21:39:23 and see if mydocs mounts through Sep 02 21:39:32 and copy that way Sep 02 21:39:56 * lcuk actually ponders where the mount has gone Sep 02 21:39:59 crap, it rebooted when i pluged the USB Sep 02 21:40:22 interesting Sep 02 21:40:24 try it when you arent in the mydocs folder using ssh Sep 02 21:40:43 hey marius Sep 02 21:40:52 /opt is a symlink to /home/opt; /home is an ext2 partition, /home/MyDocs is a vfat partition Sep 02 21:41:02 if /home is damaged, the /home/MyDocs mountpoint might not exist Sep 02 21:41:15 mgedmin, he just said there were contents Sep 02 21:41:17 so even if all the documents are safe, they may not be accessible immediatelly Sep 02 21:41:23 i was going to ask to check /home/opt Sep 02 21:41:39 since his /opt has reverted to a normal folder by the looks (pymaemo repopulates afaik Sep 02 21:41:42 I think /opt shouldn't affect things like fonts and textures Sep 02 21:41:49 it does Sep 02 21:41:54 specifically Sep 02 21:41:55 custom themes? Sep 02 21:42:01 or base system moving stuff there? Sep 02 21:42:01 no, the default one Sep 02 21:42:29 http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime/blobs/master/maemo-optify-auto-opt.conf#line20 Sep 02 21:42:32 * mgedmin wants a desktop widget with a button "GO ONLINE NOW" Sep 02 21:42:36 mgedmin, pr1.2 optify boottime Sep 02 21:43:18 (without giving me a list of connections, if any of the saved ones are available) Sep 02 21:43:37 mgedmin, hmm Sep 02 21:43:42 tap-wait-tap-wait-wait-wait-tap is kinda annoying Sep 02 21:43:48 I'd rather just tap-wait Sep 02 21:43:57 you mean like triggering the "auto reconnect after every n minutes" Sep 02 21:44:05 for a one shot event Sep 02 21:44:12 more like triggering the "auto connect because the user tried to open a web page" Sep 02 21:44:35 mgedmin, auto reconnect will move to my home wifi when i get home Sep 02 21:44:44 or wifi at other places Sep 02 21:44:45 I disabled auto reconnect, I think Sep 02 21:44:46 without asking Sep 02 21:44:51 it did wonders to my battery life Sep 02 21:44:52 yes, i gather Sep 02 21:45:01 so now I'm reluctant to reenable it Sep 02 21:45:03 but your button should trigger that action Sep 02 21:45:05 once only Sep 02 21:45:13 yes Sep 02 21:45:19 my use case: I want to ssh in Sep 02 21:45:29 understood totally Sep 02 21:45:29 mgedmin: Just have a www.google.com link bookmark on your desktop Sep 02 21:45:42 Jaffa, it asks for network Sep 02 21:45:45 Or a bookmark to a page which shows, in big friendly letters, GO ONLINE NOW Sep 02 21:45:53 lcuk: Not if a saved connection is available Sep 02 21:45:59 tap-wait-wait-wait-wait-wait-tap-to-close-browser-window != tap-wait Sep 02 21:46:05 i have about 10 saved connections Sep 02 21:46:13 it always asks Sep 02 21:46:22 heh, bookmargin http://istheinternetup.com would be a nifty idea Sep 02 21:46:36 heh Sep 02 21:47:09 what do you mean, a parking page? Sep 02 21:47:16 now when i plug the USB nothign is happeneing :( Sep 02 21:47:31 did it expire? Sep 02 21:47:41 I loved that domain and the big friendly letters saying "YES" :( Sep 02 21:47:48 TiagoTiago, Sep 02 21:47:55 someone should really reregister it Sep 02 21:47:57 srsly Sep 02 21:47:57 then just unplug usb and use wifi Sep 02 21:48:28 i haven't managed to set up the file sharing over network yet (i have WinXP on my desktop machine) Sep 02 21:48:42 TiagoTiago, winscp Sep 02 21:48:44 mgedmin: we still have http://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/ Sep 02 21:48:51 ah. ft´. pl Sep 02 21:48:54 ah, ftp, ok Sep 02 21:49:12 so, /home/opt is bind-mounted on /opt nowadays Sep 02 21:49:15 interesting Sep 02 21:49:22 stuff gonna take ages to download via wifi :( Sep 02 21:49:23 and TiagoTiago when you do reconnect to ssh, just tell us whats inside /home/opt Sep 02 21:49:34 a folder called pymaemo Sep 02 21:49:41 as interesting as cancer Sep 02 21:49:48 hm Sep 02 21:51:52 how do i use fsck to try to recover opt? Sep 02 21:52:15 TiagoTiago, don't Sep 02 21:52:25 why not? Sep 02 21:52:37 first run dmesg, see if there are any filesystem errors Sep 02 21:52:40 it wont recover Sep 02 21:52:46 the contents are gone Sep 02 21:52:48 and replaced Sep 02 21:52:56 if /home/opt doesnt contain the right stuff Sep 02 21:52:58 nowhere will Sep 02 21:56:15 yap Sep 02 21:56:47 can't the right data still be there but the file system is simply not pointing tot he right place? Sep 02 21:58:30 the result from demesg http://pastebin.com/W94bNCYX Sep 02 21:58:43 TiagoTiago, pastebin contents of /var/log/maemo-optify-boottime.log Sep 02 21:59:21 tnhings like 'stale NFS' are equal to wontfix/reflash in my book Sep 02 22:00:34 http://pastebin.com/SXFg0qDE Sep 02 22:01:03 ok ta Sep 02 22:01:09 i notice you have a memory card btw Sep 02 22:01:20 you may be able to copy mydocs contents onto it Sep 02 22:01:40 that last one tells nothing unfortunately Sep 02 22:01:45 i don't have one 0.0 Sep 02 22:01:49 how did you get into this state Sep 02 22:02:08 muhahaha Sep 02 22:02:24 doh yeah thats swap partition, my tired eyes too Sep 02 22:02:33 looks like wifi Sep 02 22:02:55 my guess is by succumbing to peer pressure and OC'ing to 900 Sep 02 22:03:37 i noticed there were not respositories in HAM so i shut down and back on, and things got worse on each new boot Sep 02 22:03:55 there were no* Sep 02 22:05:31 is there a way i can trigger the USB mass storage mode with a command via SSH? Sep 02 22:06:24 doubtful, if action of plugging in usb cable reboots it.. Sep 02 22:06:33 now it isn't doing anything Sep 02 22:07:34 i wonder what would happen if you replaced contents of /home/opt with a folder taken from a clean device Sep 02 22:07:46 * lcuk will have to try that Sep 02 22:07:50 well, normally reflashing doesn't erase MyDocs Sep 02 22:07:55 would be almost as bad as reflashing Sep 02 22:08:05 you have to reflash Sep 02 22:08:12 so you should get all the builtin apps in / and on first boot maemo-optify-boottime would move the right stuff to /home/opt Sep 02 22:08:26 just don't reflash the eMMC, that would erase MyDocs Sep 02 22:08:27 thats what happens mg Sep 02 22:09:01 yes ahh mgedmin of course :) main rootfs image only and see whether it does its work Sep 02 22:09:13 but if it was me with device in this state i would copy off first Sep 02 22:09:38 ius the /opt partition gonna be remade? Sep 02 22:10:13 we dont know Sep 02 22:10:27 i would say, assume no Sep 02 22:10:33 and backup while you can :) Sep 02 22:10:38 * lcuk is a data pessamist Sep 02 22:10:45 a, great, the page to download the image is asking me for the code under the battery, will have to start copying stuff over all over again, or waittill it's done Sep 02 22:10:58 wait till done Sep 02 22:11:35 is there a way i can check whether the current /opt is pointing to the right place? Sep 02 22:11:42 via SSH Sep 02 22:12:17 check output of mount Sep 02 22:12:19 http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/02/shocker-googles-android-logo-boosted-from-atari-lynx-title-ga/ Sep 02 22:12:26 just type mount? Sep 02 22:12:30 busted :) Sep 02 22:12:33 yes Sep 02 22:13:05 wazd, r2d2 is also going to sue Sep 02 22:13:10 tried syncevolution, no luck as well. m.google.com/sync says device not supported Sep 02 22:13:37 it only says /home/opt is pointing to /opt Sep 02 22:13:46 lcuk: well, r2d2 does not have antenas or eyes :) Or arms :) Sep 02 22:14:25 he does have telescopic limbs though Sep 02 22:15:01 wazd, theres realistically only a few ways to draw an android Sep 02 22:15:12 oh, talking about the logo, nvm Sep 02 22:15:36 lcuk: well, that's clearly a copy :) Even eyes are in the same places :) Sep 02 22:15:53 omg! Sep 02 22:15:59 lcuk: not that much exact copy to sue anyone but still :) Sep 02 22:16:05 android shaped things look like androids! Sep 02 22:16:06 not exactly Sep 02 22:16:34 is there anything worth seeing in bergen in norway? Sep 02 22:16:39 also,. the line is in a different height, the antennas are straight and not curved, and the bottom is rounded square isntead of plain round Sep 02 22:16:42 http://newsodrome.com/body_art_news/andrea-s-awesome-android-art-r2d2-tattoo-11588013.jpg Sep 02 22:16:52 assuming that i would go there for a weekend Sep 02 22:17:27 912 Sep 02 22:17:33 lcuk: btw, any bipedal "human like" mech is an android :) Sep 02 22:17:34 912 files left* Sep 02 22:17:49 lcuk: so there are unlimited ways to draw an android :) Sep 02 22:17:58 They could have gone with Asimo Sep 02 22:18:37 lcuk: http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/4/17/28041_sm-Android%20assassin.jpg Sep 02 22:18:53 lcuk: for example :) Sep 02 22:18:57 i can't get prduct id via ssh? Sep 02 22:20:08 yes Sep 02 22:20:10 from cal Sep 02 22:20:15 well, i can Sep 02 22:20:24 but i'm not sure if there is software for it Sep 02 22:20:51 i just type cal? Sep 02 22:21:54 crap, rebooted :( Sep 02 22:22:12 what does the maemo or meego icon look like Sep 02 22:22:24 describe it to someone Sep 02 22:23:29 hm, is iit an lower case A biting a lower case E? Sep 02 22:24:31 great, product code not being accepted Sep 02 22:24:37 searching google images for maemo gives obvious maemo typefaced logo with the ae joined together and a yellow e Sep 02 22:24:45 searching google images for meego shows nothing Sep 02 22:24:49 for meego the os Sep 02 22:24:58 ah, there Sep 02 22:25:39 meego meegos are the default hit http://markitup.com/Data/Images/FranksMeegoPyramid.jpg Sep 02 22:26:53 someone needs to find the marketing team that came up with that name and hurt them Sep 02 22:26:54 and walkter meego (whoever he is) features quite a lot Sep 02 22:27:00 http://windishagency.com/assets/4704/Walter_Meego_-_BPM_-__91E28.jpg Sep 02 22:27:13 the maemo one is ok, it couldv been bettter with an icon Sep 02 22:27:16 but the ae works Sep 02 22:29:16 yeah, maemo could've done better with a logo or some sort of mascot Sep 02 22:29:25 we had a maemo mascot competition Sep 02 22:29:30 is there a way i can boot the N900 directly into mass storage mode? Sep 02 22:29:34 loads of great entries Sep 02 22:29:47 TiagoTiago, normally just plugging it into usb when its "off" works Sep 02 22:29:53 but your device is borkened a bit Sep 02 22:30:35 uh, what won then? Sep 02 22:31:00 idk we were just throwing ideas out Sep 02 22:31:04 ill find the thread Sep 02 22:31:25 hi. I want to try nitdroid. should I get an external memory card or install in built in memory? Sep 02 22:31:40 sorry, not competition, proposal Sep 02 22:31:42 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=28965 Sep 02 22:33:03 and what class of memory cards is the built in emmc? Sep 02 22:34:02 http://maemo-daemons.org/maemo_al1.png Sep 02 22:34:08 a texrat idea Sep 02 22:34:09 :D Sep 02 22:34:27 ieatlint, have a look and make some noise about it Sep 02 22:34:34 bring thread back to life actually :P Sep 02 22:34:58 meh.. a maemo mascot would have to be a tad self deprecating i think Sep 02 22:35:21 why? Sep 02 22:35:43 humour and humility Sep 02 22:35:57 ieatlint, then look through Sep 02 22:36:00 theres some serious ones Sep 02 22:36:04 and not so serious Sep 02 22:36:31 yeah, i see a raccoon one that appears to be serious Sep 02 22:36:52 that theme stuck for many pages Sep 02 22:36:58 only if i get to shout "damn coons" Sep 02 22:37:04 damn, its threads like this that we should have picture thumbnail viewer for Sep 02 22:37:14 click a thread and see all thumbs of all images within thread Sep 02 22:37:44 great, now Windows isn't recognizing new plugged USB devices Sep 02 22:37:45 now i'm on to cows Sep 02 22:37:49 * ieatlint misses larry the cow Sep 02 22:37:50 rebooting Sep 02 22:38:33 haha, page 24 of that thread causes chromium to warn me that malware is detected Sep 02 22:38:51 "The website at talk.maemo.org contains elements from the site www.quedat.com, which appears to host malware" Sep 02 22:40:28 ieatlint, its those pictures on the first post on that page! Sep 02 22:40:40 anyway, i am offski Sep 02 22:41:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJeHHyXXS9A&feature=player_embedded Sep 02 22:41:02 nokia C3 Sep 02 22:41:46 haha, i only noticed there was a phone in that video right at the end Sep 02 22:42:26 what phone? Sep 02 22:42:40 you'll see it at the end of the video Sep 02 22:43:05 * asj plays it again Sep 02 22:43:47 nope, maybe I need to replay it full screen Sep 02 22:45:07 wtf Sep 02 22:45:24 the "down arrow" icon in the title bar is corrupted Sep 02 22:45:29 and for all the windows Sep 02 22:48:21 how's that possible Sep 02 22:48:49 kerio: isnt it jsut a png file on / ? Sep 02 22:48:59 it uses the same pixmap in memory for all instances? Sep 02 22:49:00 don't know Sep 02 22:49:12 ieatlint: how do i reset it? Sep 02 22:49:18 i dunno, i'm just speculating Sep 02 22:49:23 it survives reboot? Sep 02 22:49:24 it's probably something wm-related, so yeah Sep 02 22:49:29 asj: dunno Sep 02 22:49:36 ah just kill the wm then Sep 02 22:49:53 nah, i'll switch theme Sep 02 22:50:02 try /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop restart Sep 02 22:51:37 changing theme worked Sep 02 22:51:51 but now it's all orange while the keyboard is white and blue :( Sep 02 22:53:06 it was a weird glitch Sep 02 22:53:11 now it's back to normal Sep 02 22:59:56 I just hacked up libhildon very badly and waiting for a build to finish :D lets see what this shit will do Sep 02 23:10:49 why hack libhildon MNZ ? Sep 02 23:14:14 pupnik, I wanted to try to have scrolling like in liqcalendar..... not easy. Also, mostly because I was burnt out from all the IIR filter literature XD Sep 02 23:14:51 (IIR filter == filter used on the audio codec that I need to understand for hardware eq) Sep 02 23:15:38 isn't there some way you can avoid learning it Sep 02 23:17:06 well, there is. I can just bake some presets like bass/treble boost, midrange, etc directly into the kernel after designing them with this calculator program I found on texas intrument's site Sep 02 23:17:45 though this is the more fun way lol learning a nice bit about DSP along the way Sep 02 23:19:02 yeah Sep 02 23:19:16 if you can get the dsp to output a sine wave, i got some fun code to run on it Sep 02 23:19:34 :) Sep 02 23:20:13 pupnik, fun code? Sep 02 23:20:26 yeah yamaha fmopl Sep 02 23:20:34 softsynth Sep 02 23:20:43 for scummvm, dosbox Sep 02 23:22:08 could get some nice smooth audio that way Sep 02 23:22:31 nope that's not really to be done in hardware Sep 02 23:27:24 wow. i just found out about the qt creator Sep 02 23:27:45 looks nice and its not all messed up like the sdk Sep 02 23:33:52 now it will show as two removable drives, both without any media inside Sep 02 23:39:34 is it still flashable? Sep 02 23:40:22 also, can i flash without touching MyDocs and still get it working again? Sep 02 23:43:53 MNZ: :) Sep 02 23:43:58 ? Sep 02 23:44:01 hello Sep 02 23:44:35 i installed power-kernel to install titan kernel Sep 02 23:44:44 SpeedEvil, :-? Sep 02 23:44:48 and i restared the fone Sep 02 23:45:02 but when i type uname -r Sep 02 23:45:14 it seemed kernel didnt change Sep 02 23:45:26 i want to overclock my n900 Sep 02 23:45:34 ~overclocking Sep 02 23:45:35 "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" Sep 02 23:45:40 any one can help me please Sep 02 23:46:02 well titan kernel is better for cpu Sep 02 23:46:16 it uses less power than the default ones Sep 02 23:46:30 but i cant seem to load the kernel Sep 02 23:46:38 any tips please Sep 02 23:46:44 hrm Sep 02 23:46:55 lolloo: i qould recomend against, i might have lost everything i had stored because of overclocking (i haven't managed to get it to work again so far) Sep 02 23:47:20 yes ur right Sep 02 23:47:43 but maybe for future reference please Sep 02 23:47:45 so I (temporarily) enabled -testing and -devel, but apt-get install mut complains about slang1a-ut8 (> 1.4.9dbs-4) not being available Sep 02 23:47:53 how can load titan kernel Sep 02 23:47:58 aha Sep 02 23:48:03 step one: back up everything? Sep 02 23:48:09 yes please Sep 02 23:48:31 i did no worries Sep 02 23:48:47 everything was just fine untill i decifded to try the low voltage high clock stuff everyone was talking about, peer pressure is a bitch :( Sep 02 23:49:09 yes Sep 02 23:49:28 i have nitdroid installed Sep 02 23:49:34 with multiboot Sep 02 23:49:43 maybe thats the problem Sep 02 23:49:47 i hope a bunch of people don't go jump off a bridge <.< Sep 02 23:49:47 lolloo, what he's trying to say is, don't overclock or your phone will die a premature death Sep 02 23:49:50 for kernel not booting Sep 02 23:49:59 hhhhh Sep 02 23:50:12 ok thanks guys Sep 02 23:50:40 i dunno how to help with getting Titan kernel working, with me it was a breeze, did it all with HAM and never got any errors Sep 02 23:50:50 wow Sep 02 23:50:58 whats ham Sep 02 23:51:08 Hildon Applications Manager Sep 02 23:51:12 wow Sep 02 23:51:47 the thingy you use to install progs from repos Sep 02 23:52:11 mmm Sep 02 23:52:16 app amanger? Sep 02 23:52:40 that one that loads when you click the green install arrow in webpages Sep 02 23:53:18 that is probably the one Sep 02 23:53:32 mmm Sep 02 23:53:44 do u know multiboot program Sep 02 23:53:52 not in person Sep 02 23:54:00 hhhh Sep 02 23:54:14 can i add Titan kernel in the list Sep 02 23:54:19 in the boot menu Sep 02 23:55:06 i imagine you would need to create a copy of the vanilla system, boot in it, and install the kernel from there, but others here might have a better approach Sep 02 23:55:10 hmm... I'm told that GMail's web interface now has an option to mark part of a thread as unread Sep 02 23:55:13 hrm.... Sep 02 23:55:26 would still like nested threading though Sep 02 23:55:38 SpeedEvil, ?? Sep 02 23:57:17 i did get-ap Sep 02 23:57:24 for kernel power user Sep 02 23:57:39 but still titan kernel is not loaded Sep 02 23:57:47 even if i reboot Sep 02 23:57:53 ok nvm Sep 02 23:58:01 its not a big deal Sep 02 23:58:08 but u know us geeka Sep 02 23:58:10 geeks Sep 02 23:58:12 did you find it on HAM ? Sep 02 23:58:28 srry mate no i didnt Sep 02 23:58:32 where is it Sep 02 23:59:05 just go to All and start typing "Titan" Sep 02 23:59:35 it might not be on regular Extra, you might need to enable testign and dev Sep 02 23:59:35 ok Sep 02 23:59:42 ahaaa Sep 02 23:59:53 how would i do that please Sep 02 23:59:58 if u dont mind Sep 03 00:01:41 how can i enable it awesome dude Sep 03 00:02:17 sec Sep 03 00:02:28 tyt mate Sep 03 00:03:19 ~respoitories Sep 03 00:03:25 ~respositories Sep 03 00:03:25 MNZ: I was responding to yourr 'learning about DSP' comment. Sep 03 00:03:29 ~repositories Sep 03 00:03:29 repositories are frequently old. Sep 03 00:03:38 crap Sep 03 00:04:13 shall i type it in terminal Sep 03 00:04:43 Rice cookers work better when you put water in WITH the rice. Sep 03 00:04:44 SpeedEvil, heh didn't correlate, the latency was too high :P Sep 03 00:05:36 Hmm. I wonder if you could make rice crispies in a popcorn cannon. Sep 03 00:06:03 rice comes with meat Sep 03 00:06:52 does anyone got a link handy for lolloo about enabling test and dev repos? Sep 03 00:07:39 oh man thank you so much dont worry brother Sep 03 00:08:49 if i hadn't trashed my system i would be able to just chec what the options are called Sep 03 00:15:57 what parameters do i feed the flasher to reflash everything but MyDocs? Sep 03 00:16:23 lolloo: check the menu in HAM, see if you can find the options Sep 03 00:18:22 anyone? Sep 03 00:19:23 flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R will leav MyDocs intact but rewrite everything else? Sep 03 00:20:39 Where is everyone? o.o Sep 03 00:22:35 TiagoTiago, yes, that should leave MyDocs intact. MyDocs is on the eMMC, only the eMMC image would overwrite it Sep 03 00:22:47 ok Sep 03 00:22:50 though that image is pretty old Sep 03 00:23:17 ah, no,i got a newer image, i jsut copy pasted the example fromt he wiki, i wrote the right one in the command line Sep 03 00:23:17 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Sep 03 00:23:24 ah yes Sep 03 00:23:32 hm, that was fast Sep 03 00:23:40 NOkia ROM device detected Sep 03 00:23:52 erm, problem installing drivers, the device might not work correctly :( Sep 03 00:24:09 you are on windoze? Sep 03 00:24:31 WinXP SP3 Sep 03 00:24:54 Ah, I haven't yet witnessed a flashing ceremony on windoze Sep 03 00:25:03 * MNZ brings popcorn Sep 03 00:31:56 could be worse Sep 03 00:36:15 does that command also rewrites the /opt partition? Sep 03 00:37:03 MNZ ? Sep 03 00:37:21 does the window manger on the n900 caches the "view" application on disk or in ram? Sep 03 00:37:28 TiagoTiago, no, opt is inside MyDocs actually Sep 03 00:37:48 is there a way i can write /opt but leave MyDocs intact? Sep 03 00:38:10 it's the same flashdrive, but not the same partition, right? Sep 03 00:38:21 sorry not inside MyDocs Sep 03 00:38:24 I meant on the eMMC Sep 03 00:38:27 in /home Sep 03 00:38:32 ok Sep 03 00:38:34 pigeon: The task switcher images are live Sep 03 00:38:37 pigeon: composited Sep 03 00:39:01 SpeedEvil: how about like when you lauch an app? Sep 03 00:39:09 do you know how i can recreate the /opt partition with it's contents but leagve MyDocs intact? Sep 03 00:39:24 I noticed it sometimes first show the screen of the app, but it's an older one of it, if you know what i mean Sep 03 00:40:03 perhaps some apps update their windows slower when they aren't focused? Sep 03 00:40:15 like i launch the e-mail client, it does that animated popup thing, but the app still loading, and it is showing a screen that is like at its last state or something like that. Sep 03 00:41:08 lcuk, I just got liqbase's kinetic scrolling into gtk Sep 03 00:41:17 pigeon: That's stored somewhere - I'm unsure where though Sep 03 00:41:22 and usually very old. Sep 03 00:41:26 Sorry Sep 03 00:41:38 hmm Sep 03 00:44:24 i gotta go eat, be back in a bit Sep 03 00:55:55 back Sep 03 00:56:45 does anyone know how i can recreate the /opt partition (with it's contents) without loosing the contents of MyDocs? Sep 03 00:57:24 copy MyDocs out, flash eMMC, copying MyDocs in Sep 03 00:57:47 and I forgot to mention before you flash rootfs.... did you take a backup from the backup manager? Sep 03 00:58:09 can't, i tried via WIFI but the device rebooted before even reaching half, and it doesn't work via USB, it shows as two removable drives without media inside Sep 03 00:58:44 /opt is fucked up, no images, no fonts, and no sounds are loading Sep 03 00:58:59 the device is pretty much unusable Sep 03 00:59:07 you have got to flash eMMC then... Sep 03 00:59:22 well, try moving MyDocs part by part? Sep 03 00:59:29 there gotta be a way to only write to the /opt partition Sep 03 00:59:41 there's always a way Sep 03 00:59:59 /opt is not a partition Sep 03 01:00:28 i thought it wasx a partition in the eMMC, together with MyDocs and i think the swap Sep 03 01:00:38 i mean, those other two are the other partitions there Sep 03 01:01:12 only way I can think of is: take backup from backup manager, select 'Application list', back up. Download eMMC image, unpack image, copy only stuff from /home/opt in image to /home/opt on device, recover backup to reinstall all your apps Sep 03 01:01:32 how if no icons nor the text under them will show? Sep 03 01:01:40 oh... Sep 03 01:01:53 run from ssh Sep 03 01:01:57 osso-backup Sep 03 01:02:28 does it got a text interface or will it load the GUI in the device? Sep 03 01:02:31 Nokia-N900:~# /usr/bin/maemo-invoker /usr/bin/osso-backup.launch Sep 03 01:02:44 it will load gui... you can manage with no icons/text I think Sep 03 01:03:04 "New Backup" is the first button on the left Sep 03 01:03:24 then "Proceed" on the right in the dialog that comes up Sep 03 01:03:32 what about things like the files inside MyDocs, text files, photos etc? Sep 03 01:03:55 if you have networking, why don't you just copy out the whole eMMC, repair it on another machine, then put it back? Sep 03 01:04:10 no those are not backed up, this just gets your calendar/contacts/installed apps/etc Sep 03 01:04:24 thing is, you can move in /opt stuff from an unpacked eMMC image Sep 03 01:04:33 i tried downloading mydocs with FTP via wifi but the device rebooted before it even got to half Sep 03 01:04:44 yeah... don't use ftp Sep 03 01:05:11 i haven't managed to make my Windows desktop see fodlers in my N900 nor the other way around Sep 03 01:06:12 oh... windows Sep 03 01:06:23 yeah :/ Sep 03 01:06:45 well fwiw this is what i would do Sep 03 01:06:56 actually... that extracting opt from the eMMC image thing.... will need a linux machine AFAIT Sep 03 01:07:29 it will loose all the metadata if extracted under Windows, no? Sep 03 01:08:02 or wait Sep 03 01:08:15 no, it's vfat. you just need to find a tool to mount the image Sep 03 01:08:23 I know there are tools around for that Sep 03 01:08:27 the /opt part is not Sep 03 01:08:40 the part you actually need Sep 03 01:08:51 oh sorry yeah Sep 03 01:08:53 :( Sep 03 01:09:21 hmmm Sep 03 01:09:27 you don't really need to extract it on windows Sep 03 01:09:40 if it's not that big you can just move it over to the device Sep 03 01:10:01 is thre a way i can repair the /opt entry in the file system so it points to where it used to? Sep 03 01:10:12 it's just a symlink Sep 03 01:10:22 what exactly have you done, i missed the start of this Sep 03 01:10:33 TiagoTiago, run this on ssh: mount | grep opt Sep 03 01:10:57 i dunno, my ugess is overclocking fucked up the /opt partition, or the part in rootfs that points to it Sep 03 01:11:08 hah, no Sep 03 01:11:09 booting up Sep 03 01:12:44 * Dhraakellian tries to remember who recommended mutt to him Sep 03 01:12:54 ? Sep 03 01:13:21 was going to ask how he got it installed Sep 03 01:13:38 ...although asking in general would probably be just as good, if not better Sep 03 01:13:54 since I'm getting an error about a missing dependency when I try to install with apt Sep 03 01:14:13 http://pastebin.com/K4zEpPhq Sep 03 01:15:12 TiagoTiago: so what's actually wrong with opt? Sep 03 01:15:56 the one that was there isn't there anymore, it only got that pymaemo folder instead of everything Sep 03 01:16:15 pastebin the full output of mount Sep 03 01:16:17 please Sep 03 01:17:01 http://pastebin.com/igMWCRdU Sep 03 01:18:41 well if you lost all the stuff in opt, reflashing wont help anyway Sep 03 01:18:48 you'd need to reinstall all your packages Sep 03 01:18:58 hey Sep 03 01:19:16 why arent there any connections when i select gsm Sep 03 01:19:24 no, even the system stuff, like fonts and sounds is missing Sep 03 01:19:31 yeah Sep 03 01:19:42 using tmo Sep 03 01:20:57 TiagoTiago: at this point your best option is to backup everything you can recover and reflash the whole lot Sep 03 01:21:13 :( Sep 03 01:22:02 you could try cutting the mmcblk0p2 partition from the eMMC flash images, uploading it, mounting loopback, and then copying the files Sep 03 01:24:55 allo all Sep 03 01:25:10 gonna try downloading via FTP again Sep 03 01:26:20 TiagoTiago, the first thing you should do is backup data your care about in case trying to fix it makes it worse Sep 03 01:27:05 that is a good advice Sep 03 01:28:12 does your connection work when you select gsm only? Sep 03 01:31:08 user____, yes Sep 03 01:36:25 oh why? Sep 03 01:36:52 are you asking me why it works? Sep 03 01:36:56 Some companies do not have GSM service. Sep 03 01:38:18 TiagoTiago, 3 hours ago you started backing up your data Sep 03 01:38:27 hope its going ok Sep 03 01:38:43 lcuk: etching binary in stone takes *time* Sep 03 01:39:00 hey johnx Sep 03 01:39:22 hey lcuk. you should get some sleep :P Sep 03 01:39:40 cause when i was in europe it worked fine Sep 03 01:39:43 been there tried that got woken up again by jake Sep 03 01:39:54 havin a smoke and laying down again tho :) Sep 03 01:40:10 user____, are you on t-mobile US? Sep 03 01:40:52 and TiagoTiago once you have backed up everything, flashing just the rootfs image gives best chance of recreating rootfs + opt without touching your data. but that does not mean it will work. Sep 03 01:41:55 * lcuk sleeps Sep 03 01:42:19 'night lcuk :) Sep 03 01:42:55 it failed, i'll try again Sep 03 01:50:01 1003 files left right now :/ Sep 03 01:52:03 how are you trying to back up? Sep 03 01:57:55 via ftp Sep 03 01:58:05 secure ftp that is Sep 03 01:58:40 uhm, can you just plug the N900 into a computer and backup in usb mass storage mode? Sep 03 01:58:53 it showa as two removable drives with no media inside Sep 03 01:58:56 shows* Sep 03 01:59:59 941 files left right now..... Sep 03 02:11:22 hi..anyone knows if there is a key shortcut to close apps (ala alt-f4)? Sep 03 02:11:55 the power key Sep 03 02:12:31 really Sep 03 02:12:55 More sanely - I don't think tehre si a way to do that Sep 03 02:13:01 ahh i see then press end current task Sep 03 02:13:43 oh - right - I thought you meant all apps Sep 03 02:13:48 yeah - there is an end one app Sep 03 02:13:59 you can also press ctrl-backspace to get to the window switching view Sep 03 02:14:35 thx johnx yeah i use that but sometimes i crave a keyboard shortcut to quikly kill an app :) Sep 03 02:14:43 thx SpeedEvil ..btw any one use vice (c64 emulator) here? Sep 03 02:16:22 I think I've managed to wear out a usb flash drive Sep 03 02:16:59 ShadowJK, cool. does it report its size as smaller than it used to? Sep 03 02:18:07 no it's reading back OK, but accepts no writes when jbd/ext3 tries to replay journal Sep 03 02:18:30 fun times. will it repartition/reformat? Sep 03 02:18:33 how do i write in red here Sep 03 02:18:58 johnx: not sure yet :) Sep 03 02:19:00 lolloo, just put the word lolloo in your text Sep 03 02:19:06 omg Sep 03 02:19:08 I'm imaging it now to hd Sep 03 02:19:11 ya thats it Sep 03 02:19:19 I just want to get conf files off of it Sep 03 02:19:31 it was rootfs for my sheevapllug Sep 03 02:19:37 bummer Sep 03 02:19:45 how's the sheeva treating you overall? Sep 03 02:19:46 and now my LAN/intarwebs is kinda fucked :) Sep 03 02:20:20 it's nice Sep 03 02:20:47 I had a guruplug on pre-order, but that was right when everyone was having the overheating issues with them Sep 03 02:21:04 though it has usb quirks, and I thought I was troubleshooting something like that at first when the flash disk read back ok in my pc Sep 03 02:21:32 well the case on my plain sheeva does get to 45-50C or so Sep 03 02:21:36 ... so I canceled and got a QNAP TS-119 Sep 03 02:22:45 cool; the image file mounted ok with loop Sep 03 02:23:09 alas my 20 minutes of spare time for today are at an end :( Sep 03 02:23:24 wow. that's a harsh schedule Sep 03 02:23:33 ah hell, I'll just violate some speed limits... Sep 03 02:24:08 that's what they exist for :> Sep 03 02:24:33 red like this? Sep 03 02:25:09 how can i type in red i know it's nothing related Sep 03 02:25:54 %C foreground color, background color Sep 03 02:26:05 this ocz flash drive has the nicest failure mode so far of all flash media I've had fail Sep 03 02:26:23 ShadowJK, yeah. that's why I'm curious how it failed Sep 03 02:26:36 most of mine have died of some other cause long before the actual flash wears out Sep 03 02:26:50 depending on your client, if you start writing it shows the colors avaiable Sep 03 02:26:52 a transcend sd card just started returning /dev/random for constantly moving random blocks (well they moved after writing) Sep 03 02:27:24 an a-data card started giving errors on read, and locking up Sep 03 02:27:34 read of a specific sector, mind Sep 03 02:31:25 grr Sep 03 02:31:30 Mobile HotSpot doesn't work Sep 03 02:32:55 lcuk, libmeegotouch on maemo is still b0rked Sep 03 02:33:19 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/meegobd_0.0.2-0ubuntu2/ Sep 03 02:37:13 sigh Sep 03 02:37:21 seems it hit a big file, 913 files left for several minutes now..... Sep 03 02:37:53 luke-jr, did you reboot after installing it? Sep 03 02:38:03 it installs custom kernel, iirc Sep 03 02:41:31 ShadowJK: no, it doesn't. Sep 03 02:41:37 ShadowJK: I have my own custom kernel Sep 03 02:41:43 which is unaffected Sep 03 02:42:53 I can get it to start and stuff Sep 03 02:43:00 but the minute my MBP tries to use it, the N900 reboots Sep 03 02:43:18 actually, Skype will even connect, and tracepath will trace Sep 03 02:43:30 maybe I should try reducing MBP MTU Sep 03 02:46:58 Pre-Depends: kernel-feature-netfilter Sep 03 02:47:07 that's the closest thing in mobilehotspot's pkg Sep 03 02:47:13 and my custom kernel DOES have netfilter… Sep 03 02:47:35 have you checked mtd2 for the reboot reason? Sep 03 02:53:26 ali1234: mtd2 is incomprehensible IMO Sep 03 02:53:38 lots of panics, no dates/times **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 03 02:59:57 2010