**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 07 02:59:57 2010 Sep 07 03:01:44 stupid sodding flasher tool :( Sep 07 03:02:41 stupid OS Sep 07 03:02:54 OS is fine, if people would write proper drivers for it :P Sep 07 03:03:39 hell they don't even support 64-bit linux :\ Sep 07 03:03:48 and i have no 32 bit machines Sep 07 03:04:01 anyone having the default media player cut out after playing part way through a song. Happens intermittently but more often than it should :/ Sep 07 03:04:07 nothing else happening on the device Sep 07 03:04:45 64bits systems are only ahead of ipv6 Sep 07 03:05:23 * luke-jr teases PhonicUK with his 64-bit flasher Sep 07 03:05:34 :\ Sep 07 03:05:44 PhonicUK: too bad I can't redistribute it legally, eh? Sep 07 03:05:48 64bit linux works with flasher, you just need a few libs Sep 07 03:05:51 why? Sep 07 03:06:02 DocScrutinizer51: in other words, you need to install a 32-bit OS Sep 07 03:06:06 PhonicUK: it's copyrighted Sep 07 03:06:13 so why do you have it? Sep 07 03:06:21 I downloaded it when Nokia distributed it Sep 07 03:06:35 any idea why they dont any more? Sep 07 03:06:40 brb Sep 07 03:06:42 no idea. Lazy? Sep 07 03:06:57 this is version 3.0. the one Nokia has now is 3.5 Sep 07 03:07:03 probably they didn't build a 64-bit 3.5 Sep 07 03:07:45 i should sodomize them with a cactus Sep 07 03:07:55 … Sep 07 03:08:00 its funny, up until a couple of weeks ago i worked for nokia xD Sep 07 03:08:12 shoulda compiled a copy Sep 07 03:08:19 didnt have access to that stuff Sep 07 03:08:22 meh Sep 07 03:08:26 wasnt working with handsets Sep 07 03:08:42 if you can't leak SGX drivers, we don't care about you. Sep 07 03:08:43 :P Sep 07 03:08:48 source I mean Sep 07 03:08:52 lol Sep 07 03:09:19 looks like im just gonna have to build a 32-bit VM and do it in the morning Sep 07 03:09:28 a chroot would do Sep 07 03:09:42 just grab a Gentoo stage3 tar.bz2, chroot, and run? Sep 07 03:09:49 no linux systems to hand at the moment Sep 07 03:09:49 take all of 5 minutes Sep 07 03:09:52 fail Sep 07 03:09:59 who uses anything other than Linux? Sep 07 03:10:09 gamers :P Sep 07 03:10:13 nah Sep 07 03:10:18 linux support for my GTX480 is terrible Sep 07 03:10:25 so buy supported video cards Sep 07 03:10:32 and no 3D Vision / PhysX support either Sep 07 03:10:43 oh yes, USB in a VM. That sounds like a plan to cure native USB problems Sep 07 03:10:46 as if any of that crap matters… Sep 07 03:10:52 DocScrutinizer51: LOL Sep 07 03:10:57 i have a 3D visions setup... :P Sep 07 03:11:13 my choice of OS shouldn't dicate my hardware, so i use what supports my hardware Sep 07 03:11:22 i love linux (gentoo fan) Sep 07 03:11:26 sure it should Sep 07 03:11:30 but its a pain in the ass when I actually wanna get stuff done Sep 07 03:11:33 hardware exists to run the OS Sep 07 03:11:41 the OS exists to control the hardware Sep 07 03:11:44 does the touch sensor only coves the display area or with the right driver it might be possible to capture touches outside of the screen? Sep 07 03:11:48 no, the OS exists to let you do crap Sep 07 03:12:07 eitherway, if an OS doesn't support the hardware I already have, im not going to use it am i Sep 07 03:12:19 I would. Sep 07 03:12:20 :p Sep 07 03:12:21 my GTX480 rips anything that works under linux to shreds Sep 07 03:12:39 maybe nvidia will get their act together again on drivers though Sep 07 03:12:51 TiagoTiago: the driver senses touches some mm outside the screen right now Sep 07 03:13:21 PhonicUK: again? nVidia's *never* had their act together Sep 07 03:13:38 I wouldn't take nVidia if you bought it for me Sep 07 03:13:41 their act has been a darn sight better than ATi's ever has been Sep 07 03:13:53 well, I'd take it… but then just put it on ebay Sep 07 03:14:00 who up untill the last 18 months couldnt match their windows performace under linux Sep 07 03:14:09 at least ATi *has* an act Sep 07 03:14:24 yeah and i just booed it off stage Sep 07 03:14:30 nVidia just leaves Linux developers to reverse engineer everything Sep 07 03:14:34 where? how much? would it be possible for example to assign the right side of the face as scrolling or zooming? Sep 07 03:14:43 anyhow, this is getting rather off-topic Sep 07 03:14:51 the nvidia binary driver works brilliantly for any cards it supports :P Sep 07 03:14:52 and TiagoTiago has something N900-related to talk about Sep 07 03:14:54 luke-jr, PhonicUK: hey guys, is emacs or vi better? Sep 07 03:14:55 ive never had a problem Sep 07 03:15:00 lol Sep 07 03:15:01 PhonicUK: illegal OS combinations don't count. Sep 07 03:15:07 asj: vi Sep 07 03:15:10 neither of them is better - just depends which you need at the time Sep 07 03:15:14 i generally prefer vi though Sep 07 03:15:17 asj: but I'm biased-- never seen or touched emacs Sep 07 03:15:21 woosh Sep 07 03:15:33 nano if im feeling laze Sep 07 03:15:35 *lazy Sep 07 03:15:46 I generally type nano out of habit Sep 07 03:15:53 for larger projects I use Kate Sep 07 03:16:36 Code::Blocks ftw Sep 07 03:18:29 night all Sep 07 03:19:15 k, mcedit Sep 07 03:20:10 g'nite Sep 07 03:20:36 g'nite Sep 07 03:20:37 do i need to edit it in an hex editor or just a regular text editor will do? Sep 07 03:20:55 what are your editing? Sep 07 03:21:16 the vanilla emmc image to increase the sizee of /home Sep 07 03:21:25 wow Sep 07 03:21:36 i didnt know that shud be done and for it should be done Sep 07 03:21:42 but yes, hex editor Sep 07 03:21:47 normal text editor will probably explode Sep 07 03:21:48 good afternoon Sep 07 03:21:48 text editor wont do at all Sep 07 03:22:11 why is it got "size = 2048" in plain text? Sep 07 03:22:18 why if it* Sep 07 03:22:37 it is possible to sniff on n900 Sep 07 03:22:40 just because Sep 07 03:22:45 lol Sep 07 03:22:52 you mean if you can find 2048 in form a text, you shud be able to change it with a text editor? Sep 07 03:23:03 yeah Sep 07 03:24:43 try, fail, think, use hexeditor Sep 07 03:25:01 what would be different if i changed it with a regular text editor? Sep 07 03:26:03 maybe the auto linebreaks? the tabs converted to spaces? the nonprintable chars that a normal editor can't cope with? Sep 07 03:26:32 the lines >10k chars? Sep 07 03:26:49 try, fail, think, use hexeditor Sep 07 03:29:49 at what point am i expecteed to fail? Sep 07 03:32:25 where in 'try, fail, think, use hexeditor' was mentioned to ask for a proffesional multipage paper with an analysis of a idiotic plan based on a idiotic OS? Sep 07 03:32:34 yeah, you can't realistically use a text editor to edit any binary file Sep 07 03:32:41 lol Sep 07 03:32:43 (and binary files often contain plain text) Sep 07 03:33:17 what if i used vim? Sep 07 03:33:26 vim is a text editor Sep 07 03:33:43 ... Sep 07 03:35:24 TiagoTiago: that's been the most reasonable one of your last few dozen postings Sep 07 03:36:07 lol Sep 07 03:38:40 Hi guys Sep 07 03:38:48 does anyone use a car mount with their n810? Sep 07 03:39:09 unlikely, the GPS is too unreliable Sep 07 03:39:13 For some reason I have the holder, that the n810 snaps into with this weird circular adapter on the back. Sep 07 03:39:21 sevard: that comes with N810 Sep 07 03:39:43 so there wasn't some suction cup thing that connects into the round connector that i'm missing? Sep 07 03:39:48 there is Sep 07 03:39:51 not included Sep 07 03:40:01 haha Sep 07 03:40:05 does it have a name or part number Sep 07 03:40:07 lol Sep 07 03:41:41 Man Sep 07 03:41:47 i have an n810 and a blackberry tour Sep 07 03:41:50 * ShadowJK used the car mount for his n810 until wayfinder stopped working Sep 07 03:41:59 the n810's gps radio sucks. the blackberry's gps applications suck. Sep 07 03:42:14 it would be awesome to marry the two ;) to somehow have navit use the blackberry's gps. Sep 07 03:42:34 My N810 usually acquired a lock in 30 seconds without a-gps :) Sep 07 03:42:37 in the car Sep 07 03:42:43 agps? Sep 07 03:42:52 without Sep 07 03:43:10 with agps enabled it was instant Sep 07 03:43:10 it takes my n810 about 25 minutes to acquire a signal Sep 07 03:43:22 yeah, what's wrong with N810 GPS hw? Sep 07 03:43:30 just WFM Sep 07 03:43:51 my blackberry does cell-gps instantly, and locks down to 4 meters in about 20 seconds Sep 07 03:44:10 it would be rad to use the blackberry's gps radio with the nokia via bt or something. Sep 07 03:44:12 oh if gpsd or gpsdriver crashes, it doesn't tell you and never recovers :-) Sep 07 03:44:27 haha Sep 07 03:46:23 I had a suction-sup + universal holder thing before. I had bought it a few years before N810. It came with two attachments, one with two adjustable "hands", and one flat with just 4 holes Sep 07 03:46:38 never fond any use for the last one until N810 Sep 07 03:46:59 the holes aligned perfectly with the holes on the car holder included with N810 Sep 07 04:19:48 sevard: erm, N810's GPS radio is fine. The problem is software. Sep 07 04:20:20 notably, N900 has the same GPS that N810 did ;) Sep 07 04:20:36 The N810's GPS was horrible. Sep 07 04:23:24 derf: it's the driver Sep 07 04:24:20 are human nails harder or softer than the builtin stylus of the N900? Sep 07 04:25:19 softer I bet Sep 07 04:26:18 don't forget that human hair is tougher than steel mm³ per mm³ Sep 07 04:26:34 spidersweb even more Sep 07 04:27:01 well, yeah, but i don't see the relation between spiderwebs and human nails Sep 07 04:37:18 i dont think spiderweb is harder, but stronger than steel Sep 07 04:39:03 id say that the stylus is harder than human nails, as i cant scratch my stylus withmy nails Sep 07 04:39:47 but can you scratch your nails with the stylus? Sep 07 04:40:38 yes, it seems to leave a mark Sep 07 04:40:59 ok Sep 07 04:41:44 that's good news, using nails is probably less harmfull to the screen than using the stylus :) Sep 07 04:42:42 my nails bend too easy Sep 07 04:43:32 nah Sep 07 04:43:42 I've never scratched my screen with my stylus Sep 07 04:43:45 grumble, kernel-maemo doesn't support iotop Sep 07 04:43:46 but I have with my nails! Sep 07 04:44:26 perhaps the hardness of the nail depends on the direction of the forvce applied Sep 07 04:45:02 probably varies from a person to person Sep 07 04:45:03 that and the surface at the edge of the nail Sep 07 04:45:13 and if anything, no matter how small, happens to be in the path Sep 07 04:46:30 and nails may be bit sharper than the round tip of stylus Sep 07 04:49:33 the stylus should be softer than the screen, so if you can't mscratch the stylus you can't scratch the screen Sep 07 04:52:31 I'll be MIA for a week or so; bye Sep 07 04:52:57 cya Sep 07 04:53:12 luke-jr: where ya going? Sep 07 04:53:25 jpinx-eeepc: can't say until I'm gone, sorry Sep 07 04:53:35 :D Sep 07 04:53:53 don't stay away too long - we need you ;) Sep 07 04:54:13 we need every sane developer and user in here ;) Sep 07 04:54:20 you're going to war? o.o Sep 07 04:55:46 or just to a new job? Sep 07 04:56:02 can't say, lawyer sez so Sep 07 04:56:18 or you can't even answer questions like these? Sep 07 04:56:25 oh, wow Sep 07 04:56:56 implying I'm going somewhere is already too much really Sep 07 04:57:12 ok Sep 07 04:57:18 i'll drop it Sep 07 04:57:22 ttyl Sep 07 04:57:55 though it's not like i know who yoju are besides your current irc nick Sep 07 04:58:02 anyway, good luck Sep 07 04:59:25 my IRC nick is my real name, abbreviated slightly Sep 07 04:59:27 :p Sep 07 05:00:39 there is this post in tmo i've stumbled upon a few times but i ended up never bookmarking thinking it was easy to find, well, i'm not finding it , it was a post about how to decide how big to make your /home partition, any idea? Sep 07 05:36:20 TiagoTiago: i have always find it very hard to search any post in tmo, so bookmarking or stumbling upon it again using google is the only option. Sep 07 05:36:34 :( Sep 07 05:36:40 btw have been able to change that 2048 figure? Sep 07 05:36:47 have u* Sep 07 05:38:57 yeah, but the pc is slow so i started playing blobwars, i'll leave thee reflash to tomorrow, i have to go somewhere and i and dwanna risk going with a blank N900, i'll work oln it tomorrowi in the afternoon,i'm gonna also try doing a diff on the file edited with an hex editor vs with a regular text editor Sep 07 05:39:14 don't wanna risk* Sep 07 05:40:46 well its guaranteed that editing emmc image with a text editor is going to leave it worth no use, unless there is a text editor which has this kind of capability that i dont know of ofcourse Sep 07 06:21:52 Why does the n900 reboot when I kill X? Sep 07 06:22:14 runlevels..? Sep 07 06:24:56 Hi guys ! Sep 07 06:25:02 hi achipa , Sep 07 06:25:18 achipa, you are the maintainer of pyqt in extras-devel right ? Sep 07 06:25:32 Khertan_Home: so they say :) Sep 07 06:26:30 i got some report from user saying that khweeteur depends on old pyqt package and should depends on pyqt4-experimentals Sep 07 06:27:05 experimental ... look like experimental ... so any apps for ends user should not depends on it Sep 07 06:27:27 and the problem is also that it s conflict with "normal" pyqt package Sep 07 06:38:41 http://pastie.org/1143125 Sep 07 06:38:48 I am using binary nvidia driver. Sep 07 06:45:08 djszapi: don't you miss channel? anyway, you don't use nvidia driver Sep 07 06:45:16 paste your xorg.conf Sep 07 06:45:59 k Sep 07 06:46:15 xephyr is needed to run maemo gui ... Sep 07 06:46:23 i do not miss the channel ofc ... Sep 07 06:46:53 http://pastie.org/1143131 -> I am also using nvidia ... Sep 07 06:50:09 djszapi: didn't see a note about xephyr, so first paste was from xephyr log? Sep 07 06:50:30 what do you mean ? Sep 07 06:50:55 http://pastie.org/1143125 Sep 07 06:51:12 what do you mean ? Sep 07 06:52:01 djszapi: I mean, this log is from xephyr? Sep 07 06:52:50 sure Sep 07 06:54:34 mine swrast_dri.so is in ia32-libs package o_O Sep 07 06:54:52 Does anyone use garmin maps with navit? Sep 07 06:55:20 rmrfchik: which distribution do you use ? Sep 07 07:03:44 djszapi: debian Sep 07 07:41:20 rmrfchik: hi Sep 07 07:48:15 where's the early morning spam? Sep 07 07:49:32 early morning spam? Sep 07 07:49:41 like, the so-called meat in a box? Sep 07 07:49:49 I'd rather have bacon, tyvm Sep 07 07:50:48 :) Sep 07 08:00:04 Khertan_, ping Sep 07 08:00:52 Khertan_Home, ping? Sep 07 08:02:07 pong Sep 07 08:02:12 mece, ponc Sep 07 08:02:13 mece, pong Sep 07 08:07:27 Khertan_Home, Khteditor 0.5-1 gives me this: http://pastebin.com/iNE2nQ9R Sep 07 08:07:58 same with 0.4-1 (or whatever the previous version is) is there a dependency issue? Sep 07 08:09:08 mece, gnié ? Sep 07 08:09:26 mece, did you have other Qt app that works ? Sep 07 08:09:56 it should be contained in python-qt4-qtcore Sep 07 08:11:31 Khertan_Home, yes, other pyqt apps work. perhaps khteditor use the experimental pyqt libs but doesn't depend on them? Sep 07 08:12:04 mece, no no ... i didn't use experimentals Sep 07 08:12:23 wait.. Sep 07 08:12:45 is there a package called python-qt4-qtcore? I've got python2.5-qt4-core Sep 07 08:14:00 same Sep 07 08:14:10 apparently i have python2.5-qt4-core v 4.7.4-maemo0 Sep 07 08:14:13 what have you got? Sep 07 08:16:28 aahaha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYVJSOFZxDE Sep 07 08:16:45 london underground. It's relevant I hear. Sep 07 08:19:23 4.7.4-maemo0 Sep 07 08:19:25 same here Sep 07 08:19:33 python2.5-qt4-core 4.7.4-maemo0 Python bindings for Qt4 Core components. Sep 07 08:20:00 python2.5-qt4 is installed ? Sep 07 08:20:58 Khertan_Home, apparently not. Sep 07 08:21:02 you think that's it? Sep 07 08:21:48 might it be python2.5-qt4-common that is missing. python2.5-qt4 is a metapackage. Sep 07 08:23:22 hmm I don't feel like installing python2.5-qt4 because then we'll never know what was missing.. Sep 07 08:27:20 mece, true Sep 07 08:27:37 python2.5-qt4-common Sep 07 08:27:44 god ... i miss this one Sep 07 08:29:30 Khertan_Home, I commented out line 25 (import PyQt4.Qt) from pylint.py and now khteditor works perfectly. Sep 07 08:29:55 mece, until you launch the dialog :) Sep 07 08:30:01 which dialog? Sep 07 08:30:39 uhm ... it s not anymore a dialog Sep 07 08:30:47 i mean the pylint Sep 07 08:30:58 Khertan_Home, everything seems to work. what does pylint do? how do I know? Sep 07 08:31:15 the pylint process use some constant located in Qt module Sep 07 08:31:24 ok so how do I test it? Sep 07 08:31:26 you didn't know what pylint is ? Sep 07 08:31:33 open a python source code Sep 07 08:31:39 and click on the pylint button Sep 07 08:31:41 it's open. Sep 07 08:31:50 but it s require that pylint is installed Sep 07 08:32:03 http://www.logilab.org/857 Sep 07 08:32:12 (i've made the package in extras-devel) Sep 07 08:33:41 so I need to separately install pylint? Sep 07 08:35:04 whoops, meeting... anyway, Khertan_Home: experimental pyqt is not parallel installable Sep 07 08:35:19 lcuk: do you still have that link to that git cheatsheet Sep 07 08:35:42 would need to monkey around with module paths, LD stuff, and since there is no mobility or similar for it anyway, didn't bother that much... Sep 07 08:38:44 -> /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser lpapp yes Sep 07 08:38:49 Host kernel is lacking binfmt_misc support! Sep 07 08:38:57 You need it to run scratchbox. Sep 07 08:39:19 achipa, do you know which package is needed for PyQt4.Qt? Sep 07 08:39:30 http://pastie.org/1143232 -> what is happening ? I can load a module more times ? Sep 07 08:39:48 I have got an archlinux host and a debian chrooted guest inside that where I would like to execute this command. Sep 07 08:41:20 Khertan_Home, appears 0.0.6-1 got stuck in the autobuilder... Sep 07 08:45:57 crashanddie, certainly Sep 07 08:46:07 http://ktown.kde.org/~zrusin/git/git-cheat-sheet-medium.png Sep 07 08:46:12 yeah, found it :P Sep 07 08:46:21 I prefer the -large.png one though Sep 07 08:46:52 any idea ? Sep 07 08:48:02 /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start Sep 07 08:48:02 Starting Scratchbox: binfmt_misc, mount. Sep 07 08:48:05 and even ... Sep 07 08:49:37 crashanddie, sure it just wfm to have it handy Sep 07 08:51:18 Yeah, trying to print it on A3 paper ^^ Sep 07 08:51:37 root /home/lpapp # lsmod | grep -Rni binfmt Sep 07 08:51:38 root /home/lpapp # Sep 07 09:03:28 hrw: aloga Sep 07 09:03:33 aloha* Sep 07 09:07:11 mece: sounds like python2.5-qt4-core Sep 07 09:07:23 rmrfchik: how goes vexed? Sep 07 09:08:07 achipa, apparently it doesn't work. hm. Sep 07 09:09:42 though that might me PyQt4.QtCore.Qt Sep 07 09:09:49 s/me/be/ Sep 07 09:09:49 achipa meant: though that might be PyQt4.QtCore.Qt Sep 07 09:13:32 hrw: in fight "Dynamic Layouts: Me" I won 0:1 Sep 07 09:13:40 Now fixing sizes Sep 07 09:14:37 hrw: think to publish today on public git. don't want to hack the GUI, wanna leave it to community ;) Sep 07 09:16:20 mece, auto builder as usual :) Sep 07 09:16:39 mece, the 0.0.6 was publish yesterday Sep 07 09:17:34 achipa, as it s works on my device ... it s strange Sep 07 09:20:41 you might be doing some from PyQt4(.QtCore) import * somewhere ? Sep 07 09:23:59 rmrfchik: nice Sep 07 09:25:48 achipa ... probably :) Sep 07 09:26:30 MohammadAG51: does the hack still work with v3.42? Sep 07 09:44:31 they fixed the hack with 3.42 Sep 07 09:44:35 it's the only point of fw 3.42 Sep 07 09:44:53 in fact, i should download the updater to 3.41 Sep 07 09:45:12 I can't make it work on my 3.41... old fat PS3 Sep 07 09:45:34 I am supposed to hit powerbutton and then eject, but how long do I hold it? can I hold it too long perhaps? Sep 07 09:45:41 I don't get the "install packages" Sep 07 09:45:56 gotta buy ps3 before they start shipping with unbreakble fw's Sep 07 09:46:02 holy shit, on August 10th, Peter Schneider posted maemo.org had 20million downloads http://twitter.com/PeterMeeGo/status/20781495863 Sep 07 09:46:06 its at 28million now! Sep 07 09:46:23 dammit you can't download 3.41 Sep 07 09:47:57 kke: It is a bit annoying that it needs to have the N900 connected all the time anyways... It would be nicer if it was possible to do a mod on the OS so that it just works.. I don't ever play online anyway but it would be nice to use harddisk for the games instead of wearing out the blu-ray drive.. :) Sep 07 09:49:28 haj: you can get a chip for $50 but i guess you still need to use the eject trick Sep 07 09:51:16 kke: thats the annoying part... I like turning on my PS3 with the controller ;) I don't want to get up and turn it on Sep 07 09:51:16 kke: it's not like I switch games that often anyway... ATM I'm playing Oblivion, so it's mostly that disc thats in the drive anyway... Sep 07 09:52:07 Is MeeGo touch going to be available with PR1.3 ? Sep 07 09:53:00 kerio: http://www.ps3news.com/forums/ps3-online-news/ps3-firmware-update-3-42-now-available-details-incoming-112472.html there's some instructions in that thread how to solve that Sep 07 09:53:12 but it's getting a bit offtopic for #maemo :) Sep 07 09:57:43 lcuk: (+8e6) see how often people need to reflash? :-P Sep 07 09:59:26 DocScrutinizer, i would put it down to fapman and multidownloading apps quicker personally Sep 07 09:59:29 but idk Sep 07 10:18:27 alterego, MeeGo Touch ? the lib ? Sep 07 10:19:49 lol i didn't see the topic Sep 07 10:21:47 sp3000: ping, my conversations list is corrupt Sep 07 10:22:32 well google can now go DIAF, i just unset it as my homepage for the most recent picture. wtf do they think the default homepage needs particle physics idk Sep 07 10:24:42 particle physics?? Sep 07 10:24:54 mece, 0.0.6-2 uploaded to extras-builder Sep 07 10:24:57 again :) Sep 07 10:25:46 timeless: stop having corrupt conversations :) Sep 07 10:26:10 right.. Sep 07 10:26:32 if i left you w/ picture urls could you censor them and send them to someone? Sep 07 10:27:10 bah, my tb build dies somewhere Sep 07 10:27:11 maybe Sep 07 10:27:23 Khertan_Home: yeah. Sep 07 10:27:30 timeless, you have been told not to take double polaroids Sep 07 10:28:07 wah, one of my pictures didn't take Sep 07 10:31:19 the 901 is an sms thing Sep 07 10:31:30 not a skype thing Sep 07 10:32:18 when i clicked on it, i got an error (which was camera(screenshot)-shy) Sep 07 10:32:46 but having sent a new skype im to the real guy, the item doesn't appear the same way Sep 07 10:32:57 although you can see it in the skype log view Sep 07 11:42:48 wtf? Sep 07 11:43:06 glitch in the matrix? Sep 07 11:43:08 has anyone tried to open your n900 charger? have you seen the heads? wtf? Sep 07 11:43:31 if i open my n900 charger my laptop won't work anymore Sep 07 11:44:22 I had a weird issue of not being able to charge my N900 from a cigarette lighter plug using a plug that has a usb port in it Sep 07 11:44:44 MiXu-: not wierd, not providing the amps Sep 07 11:45:19 toggles_w: Is there a minimum that the N900 requires to charge? Sep 07 11:46:00 MiXu-: yes, not sure what, but more than 500 most car usb chargers provide Sep 07 11:46:16 there is a hack to short the pins, but can't remember from memory Sep 07 11:46:24 btw. If your dad doesn't have a beard then you have two mums. Sep 07 11:46:24 A PC won't provide more than 500mA Sep 07 11:46:34 happy world beard day you open source beard folk Sep 07 11:47:19 MiXu-: not sure exactly, google is your friend, there is plenty of chatter on tmo Sep 07 11:49:03 toggles_w: Yeah. I do have a proper nokia charger that works but I was just wondering why the USB-cable won't work Sep 07 11:52:32 MiXu-: don't know without doing research, but it has to do with pin shorting to allow dumb chargers to work, vs pc, vs drawing more amps from the wall Sep 07 11:53:16 dneary: geoping Sep 07 11:53:28 damn.. it's called a tri-wing screwdriver... wtf Sep 07 11:53:33 timeless, What's a geoping? Sep 07 11:53:40 You want to know where I am? Sep 07 11:54:05 yes Sep 07 11:54:24 i'm @kings-cross/london Sep 07 11:55:59 Lyon, France Sep 07 11:56:26 hrm, with luck i might be there around november Sep 07 11:57:40 Looks like it requires shorting the two middle pins of a usb port to make the car charger look like a nokia wall charger to the n900 Sep 07 11:59:09 no, make it look like a dumb charger that will provide 500ma Sep 07 11:59:37 the wall charger will provide 1200mah, how it tells the deivce i don't know Sep 07 12:00:00 it doesn't Sep 07 12:00:14 when d+/d- are shorted, the n900 assumes it's some kind of charger Sep 07 12:00:20 and happily sucks as much power as it can Sep 07 12:00:33 hmm, can anyone link me to maemo5 specific qt code? Sep 07 12:00:43 or just paste the PyQt rotation flag :P Sep 07 12:00:44 mornin Sep 07 12:00:50 it doesn't do that when there's a data connection because it would mean it's talking to a computer/hub/something that may actually need the pw for something else Sep 07 12:00:59 hows everyone doing? Sep 07 12:01:09 molto bene Sep 07 12:01:22 kerio: fair enough Sep 07 12:02:25 anyone know if nagra3 has been figured out yet? Sep 07 12:07:11 The package libsdl-ttf2.0 is broken, anybody else encounters this problem? Sep 07 12:08:02 zap: pretty much everybody. On it. Going slow. Sadly. Sep 07 12:08:36 Maintainer: PyMaemo Team... Sep 07 12:10:16 is there an app category for compilations? Sep 07 12:11:00 supposing someone wanted to make a metapackage for artist programs, or exploration etc - they could bundle them together and put on extras Sep 07 12:11:39 or #maemotop5 lists :D Sep 07 12:13:56 MohammadAG51: if you still need it, http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.6/platform-notes-maemo5.html Sep 07 12:14:10 dunno the pyqt equiv... Sep 07 12:14:59 Morning, all Sep 07 12:16:29 lcuk: not sure I like that idea :P Sep 07 12:16:38 goodmirning Jaffa Sep 07 12:16:41 morning* Sep 07 12:16:50 alterego, why not? Sep 07 12:17:05 i just realized how nice the alarm tones on the n900 are Sep 07 12:17:06 :) Sep 07 12:17:07 i thought about it for the maemo coding competition Sep 07 12:17:13 ieatlint: same thing, just replace :: with . Sep 07 12:17:16 to allow people to install all the entrants at once Sep 07 12:17:20 Well, you could just make a meta package. Sep 07 12:17:25 sure Sep 07 12:17:32 morning Jaffa Sep 07 12:18:42 Just spent the morning refactoring some code into shared libs Sep 07 12:18:44 Pain in the ass. Sep 07 12:18:53 i thought it was qml? Sep 07 12:19:07 http://starwithpam.com/ :D Sep 07 12:19:52 JuniperJaxx: good sound design is like that - it's unobtrusive but lends immensely to the feel of a product Sep 07 12:21:39 achipa: and out of curiosity, how would you do "#ifdef Q_WS_MAEMO_5" in qt? Sep 07 12:22:01 ieatlint: #if defined(Q_WS_MAEMO_5) Sep 07 12:22:03 pupnik_: actually i have not looked into this but anyway to get those tones off of my n900? Sep 07 12:22:13 cool Sep 07 12:22:40 find /usr/share/ -name \*.wav maybe JuniperJaxx Sep 07 12:24:23 pupnik_: yeah i will take a look i have not installed an ssh daemon on my n900 yet it might be a good time to do it :P Sep 07 12:25:00 ieatlint, alterego - why does #ifdef not work? Sep 07 12:25:20 Because Q_WS_ stuff is a different macro Sep 07 12:25:52 Isn't a macro, I don't think, n ot in the C/C++ sense. Sep 07 12:26:06 But maybe I'm wrong, I dunno :) Sep 07 12:26:19 so #if preprocessor can evaluate real variables? Sep 07 12:26:22 i don't really know python, so i'm not the one to ask Sep 07 12:26:37 the sshd is one of the apps I use the most. I love being able to scp files to the device Sep 07 12:26:39 lcuk: it can in Qt yeah Sep 07 12:26:51 Looks like the pin-mod works on the car charger Sep 07 12:26:59 hm Sep 07 12:29:52 what do I do wrong ? Sep 07 12:29:54 newgrp sbox Sep 07 12:29:57 lpapp@myhost:/$ /scratchbox/login Sep 07 12:29:59 ERROR: Scratchbox is not properly set up! Sep 07 12:30:16 * Noobmonk3y waves Sep 07 12:30:34 -> /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start happened Sep 07 12:30:44 /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start Sep 07 12:30:45 Starting Scratchbox: binfmt_misc, mount. Sep 07 12:32:34 /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser lpapp Sep 07 12:32:35 Scratchbox user account for user lpapp already exists! Sep 07 12:33:22 djszapi: this may be your problem http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#x86-64_kernel Sep 07 12:33:43 nop Sep 07 12:33:52 it worked perfectly before the restart Sep 07 12:33:59 PC reboot, I mean Sep 07 12:34:17 41 kernel /boot/vmlinuz26 root=/dev/sda6 ro vsdo32=0 Sep 07 12:34:23 unless you added it the sysctl.conf, it won't survive a reboot Sep 07 12:34:24 this is my kernel boot line that should work Sep 07 12:34:30 why not Sep 07 12:34:30 ? Sep 07 12:34:38 kernel boot parameter takes effect after every reboot Sep 07 12:35:13 actually i don't know.. presumably that would work Sep 07 12:35:19 http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/7028/wutwut.jpg pwnd :) Sep 07 12:35:24 but it does not work ... Sep 07 12:35:45 although you're setting vsdo32 Sep 07 12:35:59 and ? Sep 07 12:36:04 assuming you're >2.6.24, it's abi.vsyscall32 Sep 07 12:36:04 vdso32 Sep 07 12:36:13 yes, 2.6.35 Sep 07 12:36:21 otherwise it's vdso, not vdso32 Sep 07 12:36:37 pardon ? Sep 07 12:36:55 you should be setting abi.vsyscall32 to 0, not "vdso32", which i doubt even exists Sep 07 12:37:45 mmh, it works now ... Sep 07 12:37:57 what I did: sbox_ctl stop/start Sep 07 12:38:06 start was not enough .... weird .... Sep 07 12:38:43 ieatlint: that's kind of the wrong approach - you should try: except: an import statement with the QtMaemo5 module Sep 07 12:39:11 ieatlint: #ifdef makes little/no sense in a Python context Sep 07 12:39:40 achipa: uh ... hence why i asked Sep 07 12:39:51 lol waz Sep 07 12:39:58 i'm used to using it in c/c++, was curious how it would translate to python Sep 07 12:40:19 python is a shoot (import) first, ask (except) later :) Sep 07 12:43:23 3 hours well spent, (compiled FPC and lazarus for linux-arm crosscompile and got it running) Sep 07 12:43:48 just dropped few buttons/memos/tickboxes onto a form, compiled, copied to n900 and it runs :D Sep 07 12:44:14 woo! Sep 07 12:44:33 * SpeedEvil passes Psi a celebratory cooking apple. Sep 07 12:44:39 :) Sep 07 12:45:28 large chunk of the time was renaming foo.so.0 to foo.so Sep 07 12:45:36 cos i was to lazy to write a script to do it Sep 07 12:46:11 about 500 or so files Sep 07 12:46:35 I tend to just do that with awk. Sep 07 12:47:34 find . -whatever -print0|awk -v RS="\000" '{gsub(" Sep 07 12:47:36 ... Sep 07 12:48:02 I use awk for way too much. Sep 07 12:48:07 Including realtime DSP Sep 07 12:48:22 Heh Sep 07 12:48:31 pupnik_: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 158911 Aug 26 2009 /usr/share/sounds/ui-clock_alarm_2.aac Sep 07 12:48:34 :D Sep 07 12:48:52 Unsurprisingly - sox|hexdump|awk is actually quite an inefficient way of doing DSP Sep 07 12:49:33 Heh Sep 07 12:50:54 Does anyone use garmin maps with navit? Sep 07 12:51:27 As far as I'm aware - that's impossible. Sep 07 12:51:41 There are convert OSM software to garmin tools. Sep 07 12:51:43 there's a libgarmin, and navit is supposed to support garmin maps. Sep 07 12:51:47 but I don't think it's the ohter way Sep 07 12:51:52 Or maybe I'm wrong. Sep 07 12:52:19 I would suggest asking over on #openstreetmap over on irc.oftc.net Sep 07 12:52:20 I'm trying to find out if libgarmin is broken, it seems the maintainer stopped working on it a long time ago Sep 07 12:52:22 or is it #osm Sep 07 12:52:39 it doesn't look like anyone is complaining about it but then again but I can't find anyone that acutally uses it Sep 07 12:52:54 W: GPG error: https://files.maemo.org default/unreleased Release: No keyring installed in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/. Sep 07 12:53:01 ouch Sep 07 12:59:58 who have announced his candidature for Maemo Council ? Sep 07 13:00:11 another vote already? Sep 07 13:02:51 Noobmonk3y, hey! long time Sep 07 13:03:12 hey hey! Sep 07 13:03:13 :) :) Sep 07 13:03:25 yeah sorry - i was being useless, you know, real life n all, got in the way :) Sep 07 13:03:57 Noobmonk3y, yeah, real life blows! Sep 07 13:04:16 hehehe - just moved home, and hadnt got round to setting computers up :P Sep 07 13:08:02 right back to work! Sep 07 13:08:03 ciao alls Sep 07 13:24:30 What's the best emulation to use in scratchbox? qemu-arm-cvs-m? Sep 07 13:28:23 I just installed (on N900 locate from the repositories. dbupdate --localpaths='/' which resides and is a link in usr/bin/gun comes with error: find: unrecognized: -fstype Sep 07 13:29:36 there might be other packages arround with slocate or mlocate which work... Sep 07 13:31:15 probably easy question, *where* are the musik Donwload Data in the file-tree, I dont find them below /home/user Sep 07 13:32:31 E0x: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-devel_dists_fremantle-1.2_free_binary-armel_Packages (1) Sep 07 13:32:31 E0x: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. Sep 07 13:32:37 Is this the expected behavior? Sep 07 13:33:21 (mc commander works...) Sep 07 13:35:20 I'm glad Sep 07 13:37:12 ha, I'm just on installing the N900 Sep 07 13:37:37 nice gadget!!! Sep 07 13:38:14 http://twitter.com/mikkohypponen/status/23236037184 Sep 07 13:40:27 /home/user/Xorg.0.log is all filled with 0xff's for security reasons? :) Sep 07 13:41:24 Scelt: the reports ive raid specificially say wikileaks wasnt disturbed during the raid Sep 07 13:42:14 google is too intelligent to find dbupdate (in one word:-) Sep 07 13:43:02 some guys got to work locate dbupdate on N900? Sep 07 13:45:17 i had to reflash, the contacts app was crashing over and over again :( Sep 07 13:45:56 oc? Sep 07 13:46:31 that was before, this time i think what messed thing sup was flipping on and off and switching sim cards back and forth while the operator was sending the configs for internet Sep 07 13:47:21 POwer Kernel said somthing baout an unexpected reboot, but i wasn't rebooting, i was holding the power button, thugh i might not have waited long enough to pull the battery once or twice Sep 07 13:47:36 though* Sep 07 13:48:13 i think i heard a DC pop comming form the speakers once Sep 07 13:48:29 I find that you need to wait about 10 seconds before it decides its fully turned off Sep 07 13:51:53 seems like a good guideline Sep 07 13:53:22 I got a hint concerning dbupdate (change script find to gfinde on 208) Here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40647 seems to work.. Sep 07 13:54:14 i tookt he oportunity and also flash the emmc, now i shouldn't have issues with running out of space in /opt for a long time Sep 07 13:54:38 ha, the date I serached are hidden in /home/user ;-) Sep 07 13:56:03 why some repos use just freemantle and other use freemantle-1.2? Sep 07 13:56:55 others* Sep 07 13:57:12 if you use custom ringtones for contacts and works fine would you upvote it in http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/per-contact-ringtones/1.0.3-0/ ? I would like to make it reach extras as it seems to work fine Sep 07 13:59:15 barisione: hmm, are those ringtones really armel specific? Sep 07 13:59:49 lindi-: hm? Sep 07 13:59:52 hey all Sep 07 13:59:57 barisione: I thought custom ringtones are in the standard N900 firmware? Sep 07 13:59:59 i managed to get my N900 to boot again :) Sep 07 14:00:11 barisione: it has 'Architecture: armel' set Sep 07 14:00:23 it is an app lindi- Sep 07 14:00:34 pupnik: ah Sep 07 14:00:42 zap: custom per contact ringtones. it's not supported by default Sep 07 14:00:59 * lindi- was hoping for free ringtones :) Sep 07 14:01:04 no :) Sep 07 14:01:04 really? it works for me, and I haven't installed your package Sep 07 14:01:22 zap: how do you set a ringtone for a specific contact? Sep 07 14:03:00 barisione: you won't believe, I really use your package :) Thought it's a standard feature, though was wondering why it's not translated to Russian :) Sep 07 14:03:11 hahah, I thought it's a standard feature Sep 07 14:03:13 zap: now there is a russian translation! Sep 07 14:03:18 cool :) Sep 07 14:03:22 will test & vote it Sep 07 14:03:26 thanks Sep 07 14:03:36 wildmidi mymidi.mid works, but sound is not audible, when Device is sleeping (while ssh works). Sep 07 14:04:13 I'm glad that the device seems to be always ssh-accessible... Sep 07 14:04:45 so I can be used as a server:-) Sep 07 14:04:51 i wish there was a prog that owuld remind me of voting for the programs that need voting that i have instaleld Sep 07 14:07:29 can you suggest some free ringtones? I found it really difficult to find something that'd meet debian free software guidelines and would be audible and somewhat non-odd :) I wrote my own, http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/ringtone/ and submitted it to some site that collects free audio samples Sep 07 14:08:49 sucks that the same day i get PSFreedom to work on my N900, sony releases a firmware update xD Sep 07 14:09:09 there is probably a few sites out there that host copyright-free (and other types of free) music and sound samples Sep 07 14:09:29 TiagoTiago: yeah I tried googling around but most lacked proper copyright information Sep 07 14:09:38 you shouldn't have left your PS3 set to update automaticly Sep 07 14:09:49 lindi-: look for something under the creative commons, I know there's something out there, just can't remember what it is. Sep 07 14:09:53 what/where Sep 07 14:09:55 try being specific, like using those creative commons abbreviations Sep 07 14:10:09 try Wikimedia :) Sep 07 14:10:14 Heh Sep 07 14:10:40 usually they have explicit licensing information for the stuff there Sep 07 14:11:04 PhonicUK: hmm, is the source of psfreedom available somewhere? I'd be interested in how gadget devices are created Sep 07 14:11:30 i dont know tbh, i'd suspect so though Sep 07 14:11:39 alterego: many were under CC-NC Sep 07 14:11:44 TiagoTiago, im not on auto update :P Sep 07 14:11:51 I can still use the jailbreak Sep 07 14:11:58 ah, goood Sep 07 14:12:00 but i cant play online without updating Sep 07 14:12:05 oh, that sucks Sep 07 14:12:23 just setup your own server :) Sep 07 14:12:37 any way to trick the servers into thinking you are running a later firmware, or somehow dualboot the PS# with the new and the old firmwares? Sep 07 14:12:43 yes there are ways Sep 07 14:12:44 PS3* Sep 07 14:12:48 lindi-, source code of psfreedom at http://kakaroto.homelinux.net/ Sep 07 14:12:52 too risky? Sep 07 14:12:55 infact all you actually need to do is change your DNS settings Sep 07 14:13:22 then why the fuss? Sep 07 14:14:10 AFAIK sony can tell who is using it Sep 07 14:14:40 and they are threatening to cancel the accounts of those that don't update? Sep 07 14:15:14 MNZ: thanks! Sep 07 14:15:43 Your project registration for garage has been approved. Sep 07 14:16:44 Seems kind of strange writing a formatter to output NMEA from Qt's Geo Position module. Sep 07 14:16:58 not that i know of Sep 07 14:20:11 libsmpeg0 is broken too :( Sep 07 14:20:32 extras repository is full of badly formed packages, unfortunately Sep 07 14:20:45 much worse than it was in 4.x Sep 07 14:21:40 Because I can see commits on the commit related mailing list of the maemo project ? But yeah, those ones happened not that lately. Sep 07 14:28:23 Anybody got NFS to work on N900? It works flawlessly on N810, but mounting locks up on N900 Sep 07 14:35:07 hmm, I had to install nfs-common for it to work. Strange behavior Sep 07 14:39:32 thats not especially strange is it? you need the portmapper.. Sep 07 14:51:30 which, if any, kernel modules are closed source/nokia specific? Sep 07 14:52:24 MNZ, there are no closed source kernel modules Sep 07 14:53:04 It's not allowed by the GPL, but aren't there even nokia binary blobs of any sort? Sep 07 14:53:16 Not in the kernel Sep 07 14:53:29 MNZ: the license of psfreedom seems to be incompatible with GPLv2 hmm Sep 07 14:54:16 lindi-, AFAIK psfreedom is under GPLv3, and I'd imagine that's compatible with GPLv2 Sep 07 14:54:24 MNZ: GPLv3 is not compatible with GPLv2 Sep 07 14:54:51 MNZ: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html has a compatibility matrix Sep 07 14:56:40 lindi-, heh, I never knew that Sep 07 14:57:10 though it would still be compatible with stuff that's licensed as 'GPL version 2 or later' I guess Sep 07 14:57:15 MNZ: however, GPLv3 is compatible with apache v2, GPLv2 wasn't Sep 07 14:57:22 MNZ: yes but linux is GPLv2 Sep 07 14:58:52 lindi-, meh, it's a jailbreak, it's already pretty illegal, I guess KaKaRoTo doesn't real bother that it's not compatible with the kernel's license ;) Sep 07 15:00:04 i think linux is GPLv2 or later Sep 07 15:00:13 so you can use GPLv3 at your discretion Sep 07 15:00:42 ieatlint: no it isn't Sep 07 15:01:07 ah, indeed Sep 07 15:01:10 just looked Sep 07 15:01:32 I recall quite clearly that there was a bunch of name-calling between the GPL guys and Linus when GPLv3 came out Sep 07 15:01:40 he doesn't like v3 Sep 07 15:02:00 MNZ: bit moot point since it isn't up to him though Sep 07 15:02:17 MNZ: anyways, if it's illegal then it probably shouldn't be promoted here Sep 07 15:02:51 lindi-, I believe the kernel license is actually up to Linus Sep 07 15:03:14 and psfreedom... well, I dunno. I'm just an innocent bystander :D Sep 07 15:03:53 MNZ: there are quite many copyright holders that all need to agree Sep 07 15:03:55 MNZ: actually it's up to everyone who contributed Sep 07 15:04:21 MNZ: relicensing is not impossible but might take a few years Sep 07 15:07:36 enough is enough. Sep 07 15:07:54 I recreated apmefo UI from scratch - now it works in portrait Sep 07 15:09:06 * MNZ cheers hrw on! Sep 07 15:09:28 MNZ: less cheering more... well, you know Sep 07 15:09:39 XD Sep 07 15:09:46 well, I'm at a fork in the road Sep 07 15:09:48 (seriously though, any progress? did you make something work?) Sep 07 15:10:06 it's either that I've just wasted about 2 days, or that I'm on the brink of something epic Sep 07 15:10:38 doea ppmefo also allows for subfolders? Sep 07 15:12:27 kerio, knowing nokia, I think I'm on the brink of something epic. But if I am, then I'm really going to hate nokia quite a bit. I'm not sure what to wish for haha Sep 07 15:12:42 lol Sep 07 15:12:51 MNZ: how epic? Sep 07 15:13:28 epic like "96 hours of music reproduction"? Sep 07 15:14:42 all video/audio on the DSP, a separate processor really. But then again I *think* that's already happening, except I can't tell where/how/when data leaves from the cpu to the DSP. But it seems we already use the DSP for image processing, so one would think they already do audio/video..... Sep 07 15:14:56 so yeah, it will be really embarrassing when/if I find out it's already being used Sep 07 15:15:04 (which I think it is :D) Sep 07 15:15:10 will that make youtube less jumpy? Sep 07 15:15:49 TiagoTiago, youtube is a completely different story and completely out of my hands, and nokia's hands Sep 07 15:15:56 :( Sep 07 15:16:46 youtube supports html5 on some videos Sep 07 15:16:55 i mean, HTML5's