**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 08 02:59:59 2010 Sep 08 03:00:19 install it (if you can), then run it as root Sep 08 03:00:36 then read up on how it works :) Sep 08 03:08:09 sigsegv segmentation fault :( Sep 08 03:08:17 bummer Sep 08 03:09:48 no way aroudn that, is there? Sep 08 03:12:26 well, it works here, so I think your install is hosed in some bad way Sep 08 03:12:54 ah, nevermind, cancel that. sigsegv here too Sep 08 03:14:05 your problem isn't conflicts so much as packages failing to install in bad ways Sep 08 03:14:16 so I don't think it would have helped your main problem all that much Sep 08 03:15:00 how abut a way to uninstall everythign that isn't properl installed? Sep 08 03:15:07 properly* Sep 08 03:15:32 sweet, i've recompiled conky to have proper support for the n900 battery and it's working Sep 08 03:15:44 cool Sep 08 03:15:46 now you can set a different update interval for when it's plugged in or not Sep 08 03:16:30 i'll upload some code now at least it's not crashing :D Sep 08 03:19:23 CreamyG, what does "Proper support" mean here.. Sep 08 03:21:30 read battery status from sysfs (not HAL) but this is good enough for conky to know the % and draw battery bars and stuff i hope Sep 08 03:21:32 would it be safe to just apt-get remove each of those packages listed in the end of the output? Sep 08 03:22:26 i have to make a conf file to test that but it at least is able to tell if it's charging or not for sure. also this is on the 1.8.0 codebase so has some more variables and stuff to play with. Sep 08 03:22:28 TiagoTiago: just be careful that it doesn't remove any important packages in the process Sep 08 03:22:41 hwo do i know if a package is important? Sep 08 03:23:17 apt will tell you if it's *really* important Sep 08 03:23:38 but it may still let you remove somewhat important nokia packages that aren't available except through a reflash Sep 08 03:23:52 it will be different frm those warnings about ading or releasing disk space,. right? Sep 08 03:24:04 hm Sep 08 03:24:12 CreamyG, I guess that requires power kernel? Sep 08 03:24:21 libhildonmm is safe? Sep 08 03:24:41 yeah for now, but the HAL stuff can be added, i just want to do one step at a time. Sep 08 03:24:59 TiagoTiago: use apt-cache policy libhildonmm Sep 08 03:25:04 see if it's available in a repo Sep 08 03:25:38 things like games and editors etc i recognize from the list fromt he repos i can just go ahead and remove without needing to check, right? Sep 08 03:26:40 only if you're sure you either don't care about them or that they really are from extras Sep 08 03:28:25 what do you mean don't care? Sep 08 03:29:22 I mean, you probably can't re-install the built-in 'marbles' game without reflashing, but if you don't care about it, then just get rid of it Sep 08 03:29:37 ah, ok Sep 08 03:29:53 why is that? some licensing c=issues? Sep 08 03:29:55 issues* Sep 08 03:30:00 weird typo 0.o Sep 08 03:30:19 yeah Sep 08 03:41:13 If someone wants to start to learn Linux specially for maemo 5 OS , where shall I start? Sep 08 03:41:36 by reading the source? :p Sep 08 03:41:49 or... the maemo documentation Sep 08 03:43:00 lolloo: honestly, it'd be easiest to learn linux in a more 'comfortable' distribution like fedora or ubuntu (or even debian or gentoo). the things you learn there would definitely apply to maemo (especially debian and ubuntu) Sep 08 03:43:38 maemo is kind of "cut down" to fit on the small hardware. It has less flexible command line tools and very little documentation on the device itself Sep 08 03:44:14 ... until you install them :> Sep 08 03:44:25 what is the closest os for maemo? Sep 08 03:45:02 thank you johnx Sep 08 03:45:21 debian and ubuntu are closest Sep 08 03:49:47 scp1: how does one read the source when it's closed? Sep 08 03:51:57 luke-jr, uh, what? Sep 08 03:52:11 scp1: Maemo isn't open source. You can't learn it from reading the code Sep 08 03:52:36 just bits and pieces they're obliged to leave open Sep 08 03:52:54 I thought there just things like the gsm modules that wasnt open? Sep 08 03:53:15 "things" make up a majority Sep 08 03:54:33 'Maemo is mostly based on open source code' Sep 08 03:55:12 and, uh... http://maemo.nokia.com/maemo/open-source/ Sep 08 03:56:38 scp1: note that it never says Maemo is open source, just maemo.org Sep 08 03:58:35 lulz Sep 08 03:58:56 it's called sneaky marketting Sep 08 03:58:56 well http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages Sep 08 03:59:24 scp1: well what? Sep 08 03:59:52 well there you have what's closed I assume? Sep 08 04:00:13 some of it Sep 08 04:01:19 along with lame excuses Sep 08 04:01:27 yeah. Sep 08 04:02:22 well at least meego has hope Sep 08 04:03:01 Well that wont be 100% open source either I guess Sep 08 04:03:09 CreamyG: not really, last I heard Nokia is going to try to force other platforms that want to use MeeGo to become closed too Sep 08 04:03:53 uh Sep 08 04:04:00 wtf are they doing Sep 08 04:04:11 kicking their own butts, as usual, IMO Sep 08 04:05:06 yeah, well, at least we don't have sony phones Sep 08 04:05:08 luke-jr: lol, we all love you Sep 08 04:05:13 Is there a reason to use 'alarm' instead of dcron or whatever? Sep 08 04:05:37 scp1: battery savings Sep 08 04:05:54 uh I dont care about that Sep 08 04:06:04 … Sep 08 04:06:09 scp1: anyone but you want to use your app? Sep 08 04:06:28 asj, what? Sep 08 04:06:30 scp1: then get an Atom Sep 08 04:06:38 i wish someone would write an app to switch profiles in meetings Sep 08 04:06:58 i miss that feature of whatever symbian app did that for me Sep 08 04:07:01 scp1: you asked for a reason to alarm, presumable you want to write an app or something Sep 08 04:07:06 Since I'm always at home with the power plugged in to the n900, there's no reason for me to try to save the planet by not wasting resources :> Sep 08 04:07:09 CreamyG: how does it know you are in a meeting? Sep 08 04:07:21 scp1: why the heck do you have a N900 at all then? Sep 08 04:07:24 uhh, calendar Sep 08 04:07:52 it could just guess if my task says blah MEETING blah blah blah Sep 08 04:07:52 luke-jr, because my 3310 died Sep 08 04:08:02 asj, yeah, maybe Sep 08 04:08:05 CreamyG: ah, not all my meetings in my calendar are silent times, but interesting Sep 08 04:08:08 scp1: if you're not moving, just get a destkop Sep 08 04:08:32 CreamyG: there a couple apps to schedule silent times Sep 08 04:09:00 (not the same, but soimething) Sep 08 04:10:01 yeah i use that already, i guess i could schedule my weekly meetings like that. it's not like the stupid calendar figured out my meeting yesterday was cancelled either. Sep 08 04:10:40 … Sep 08 04:11:07 maybe my boss didn't cancel it properly, outlook insisted on beeping at me today HEY YOU MISSED THIS "CANCELLED MEETING" BY 25 HOURS Sep 08 04:11:47 … Sep 08 04:12:05 man i hate the garage on maemo now, why is it so slow Sep 08 04:12:36 CreamyG: it's something anyways Sep 08 04:19:21 Vote here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=61869 Sep 08 04:19:35 If you don't have a Talk account, get one and vote. Sep 08 04:24:01 why Sep 08 04:24:16 you didn't even say what the poll was about Sep 08 04:25:09 It's about how many apps you use on your N900 day-to-day. Sep 08 04:25:13 Summary is in the first post. Sep 08 04:25:17 Just vote. Sep 08 04:25:19 * FIQ makes a Talk account Sep 08 04:25:27 uh, right, i have one Sep 08 04:25:32 * FIQ logs in Sep 08 04:25:34 And thanks in advance! :) Sep 08 04:25:38 GeneralAntilles: voted 1-3 Sep 08 04:25:47 luke-jr, excellent. Sep 08 04:25:57 vme usually have a lots of things running Sep 08 04:26:04 am voting too Sep 08 04:26:05 s/v/\// Sep 08 04:26:08 GeneralAntilles: and IMO, browsers are all too bloated nowadays to expect people to open links with no description Sep 08 04:26:27 luke-jr, I'm sorry for using up your valuable RAM. :P Sep 08 04:26:55 * timoph votes 1-3 Sep 08 04:27:01 14 here Sep 08 04:27:09 GeneralAntilles: I'm actually not swapping for once Sep 08 04:27:09 speaking about browsers, why is the title attribute inactive? Sep 08 04:27:21 where are the contacts and sms messages stored? I'd like to do a manual backup Sep 08 04:27:25 sorry, I take that back Sep 08 04:27:27 swapping by 22% Sep 08 04:27:32 it has always been that for me @ mobile browsers, and i've never liked it Sep 08 04:27:33 sigh Sep 08 04:27:50 jpinx-eeepc, I think the backup application grabs them. Sep 08 04:28:02 and I wonder how Peter defines applications. . . . Sep 08 04:28:17 Windows or actual application processes. Sep 08 04:28:20 … Sep 08 04:28:22 GeneralAntilles: ok - but I'd really like to do a manual backup/edit Sep 08 04:28:29 Because I usually run MicroB, XChat, Modest, FBReader, and sometimes the Media Player. Sep 08 04:28:32 I'd guess he means open windows Sep 08 04:28:32 if it were processes, I'd have to go with like 500 Sep 08 04:28:34 Plus SMS Sep 08 04:28:42 luke-jr, GUI stuff, obviously. Sep 08 04:28:48 But that's between 6 and 10 open windows. Sep 08 04:29:06 ps u would give a better number imo Sep 08 04:29:12 what does these all do GeneralAntilles Sep 08 04:29:24 he ofc means processes! Sep 08 04:29:30 and don't forget counting Xorg Sep 08 04:29:33 IMO, N900 isn't usable with too many apps running Sep 08 04:29:44 so some of the low-numbered votes would be higher if it were practical Sep 08 04:29:46 Voting higher can't hurt. ;) Sep 08 04:29:53 too late Sep 08 04:30:04 lolloo, MicroB is the browser, XChat for IRC, Modest for email, FBReader for books. Sep 08 04:30:18 wow nice Sep 08 04:30:31 lol, aMSN failed one day and opened "do you want to add this contact" for everyone i already had Sep 08 04:30:38 i will try them Sep 08 04:30:38 ended up with 100+ windows Sep 08 04:30:45 and not really a major slowdown Sep 08 04:31:00 but i was forced to kill amsn in xterm Sep 08 04:31:41 how do you kill FI Sep 08 04:31:47 killall KI Sep 08 04:31:51 killall FI Sep 08 04:32:01 hhhhh Sep 08 04:32:06 killall -9 FI Sep 08 04:32:25 reboot -f Sep 08 04:32:30 still looking for where the contacts list is stored, and sms, any ideas ? Sep 08 04:33:02 jpinx-eeepc: /home/user Sep 08 04:33:07 * FIQ votes on the highest one ("plenty, never close") Sep 08 04:33:20 meh Sep 08 04:33:24 3 votes... Sep 08 04:33:34 fu all :D Sep 08 04:33:40 no u Sep 08 04:34:48 luke-jr: as what? Sep 08 04:35:06 6-9 used to be true on my P1i, or sometimes 9+, but my P1i would complain if i had it like that a longer time. :P Sep 08 04:35:12 on my old phone i meant Sep 08 04:36:43 ooh, a report button! Sep 08 04:36:52 * FIQ reports the marketing guy Sep 08 04:36:54 (or not) Sep 08 05:20:00 Are there any known issues with setting up skype video calls? I initiate a video call and can see myself but they cant see me and I can't see the other person. Sep 08 05:26:45 uhh try muting for a moment to see if it catches up Sep 08 05:26:56 also it's really dark so go stand in front of a light Sep 08 05:42:13 zgoldberg: I've experienced the same thing..but I've only tried the video calls like twice.. Sep 08 05:43:02 what do you/ppl use for navigation/GPS !? it is really annoying how the search does not work without Internet connection Sep 08 05:43:25 zgoldberg: i had that when behind a very restrictive nat.. worked when the other person called me and i activated the camera :P Sep 08 05:47:21 quanttrom, mine doesn't even get the current position without internet, I wonder if at least that is possible Sep 08 05:49:57 merlin1991: Sep 08 05:50:21 merlin1991: yeah it is. I disabled the option where it uses the tower location and I can get a lock Sep 08 05:51:02 I disabled it too, but I'm still waiting for a lock Sep 08 05:51:16 merlin1991: you should not that if it doesn't get a long in X seconds it stops. Close the ovi maps app and try agian. Some people suggested using this other app that uses the gps but does not time out Sep 08 05:51:29 merlin1991: are you inside a building? concrete building? Sep 08 05:52:03 atm I'm inside a brick building, but I tried it outside some time ago too, and it didn't work either Sep 08 05:52:22 concrete isn't the best...try placing it by the window.. Sep 08 05:52:37 sometimes gps can take > 1 min to lock...but that's rare Sep 08 05:53:27 btw....the N900 has the best GPS receiver I've seen so far.. Sep 08 05:53:41 LOL Sep 08 05:54:58 quanttrom: and you saw only n810 gps before? :) Sep 08 05:56:41 nah I own a real GPS one of the Magellan Maestro series Sep 08 05:56:52 it doens't really compare but for a cell, the N900 has been good Sep 08 05:57:52 i honestly thought my old G1 had an ok gps Sep 08 05:57:52 and the ovi maps is horrible Sep 08 05:58:20 +1 on the ovi maps Sep 08 05:58:35 what is up with not being able to search Sep 08 05:58:58 it searches on the nokia server afaik Sep 08 05:59:51 I guess that's the only good explanation, but really come on Nokia...really.. Sep 08 06:02:34 heh you guys are lucky not to have a shitty provider that blocks agps Sep 08 06:02:54 then you'd see how bad the n900 gps can be Sep 08 06:02:57 LOL Sep 08 06:03:03 :P Sep 08 06:03:09 why would they do that...? Sep 08 06:03:19 save $1? Sep 08 06:03:21 trying to get verizon and order a droid 2 and my n900 is telling me bad gateway Sep 08 06:03:22 i dunno Sep 08 06:03:25 awesome Sep 08 06:03:38 ask WIND, they have a great community forum where you can ask them all that stuff Sep 08 06:03:39 is that some sort of tmob cock block? Sep 08 06:03:56 of course they wont' answer... at least not properly Sep 08 06:04:08 no it's canada's newest provider Sep 08 06:04:11 WIND Sep 08 06:04:22 only provider with 3.5G on the n900 :( Sep 08 06:08:38 how do they block agps? Sep 08 06:08:59 how? they advertise "unlimited internet" but it's got blocked ports. Sep 08 06:09:08 agps is one of the ones that they don't allow Sep 08 06:09:16 i see Sep 08 06:09:19 god only knows why... Sep 08 06:12:54 hey I've got WIND TOO :) Sep 08 06:13:02 i really can't complain tho.. Sep 08 06:13:20 i got too good of a deal Sep 08 06:13:32 wind++ Sep 08 06:14:06 CreamyG: erm, how would they block agps? Sep 08 06:14:09 it's costing me more than rogers Sep 08 06:14:11 and more to the point, why? Sep 08 06:14:17 CreamyG: how is that possible? Sep 08 06:14:25 if it is then you picked the wrong plans Sep 08 06:14:27 wtf u mean how, its a port on nokia/google's agps server, 5645 or something Sep 08 06:14:35 they dont' allow any traffic on that port. Sep 08 06:14:41 who knows why Sep 08 06:14:53 probably think their towers are not compatible for some reason Sep 08 06:15:01 if that's the case, have you asked them to open it? Sep 08 06:15:04 maybe they aren't, but if they keep blocking, they never will be Sep 08 06:15:08 I've had no problem using gps in vancouver Sep 08 06:15:29 why would *I*, there's plenty of other people that can call and wait on hold to explain what a port is to some stupid CSR Sep 08 06:15:29 CreamyG: use some kind of tunneling! Sep 08 06:15:30 :D Sep 08 06:15:46 lol i'm not running a damn proxy, plus the n900 will never be compatible with that Sep 08 06:15:48 do they allow ssh? Sep 08 06:15:57 CreamyG: so, you're complaining here instead about a problem you're not even sure is there? very productive. Sep 08 06:15:58 the n900 is indeed compatible with that, duh Sep 08 06:16:00 ssh -D Sep 08 06:16:16 yeah but u can't pipe every app on the phone through a proxy Sep 08 06:16:21 yes you can Sep 08 06:16:23 it's a socks proxy Sep 08 06:16:25 heh Sep 08 06:16:30 really? hmmm Sep 08 06:16:33 and again, if you're paying more than rogers you're picking the wrong plans Sep 08 06:16:40 hell, you could even use dns tunneling with the n900 Sep 08 06:16:52 dude i had a retention plan, 6gb + 250 min $60 Sep 08 06:16:52 see, that's what you get by having a linux box in your pocket :) Sep 08 06:17:02 now with wind its like $80 Sep 08 06:17:09 retention plan... 60$? Sep 08 06:17:10 WTF Sep 08 06:17:54 hmm i'll have to ask how to set that up some time Sep 08 06:17:57 chasing conky bugs now Sep 08 06:18:44 hi there Sep 08 06:19:58 dns tunneling is an epic idea Sep 08 06:20:08 huh? Sep 08 06:21:42 mece: you know how dns lets you set another dns server for a subzone Sep 08 06:22:00 uhu Sep 08 06:22:02 what stops you from hiding tcp inside dns requests? Sep 08 06:22:17 interesting... well I guess the dns would stop you? Sep 08 06:22:18 that are escalated up to your own "dns" server Sep 08 06:22:22 huh? Sep 08 06:22:25 ah oh Sep 08 06:22:31 if you have it yourself. Sep 08 06:22:36 well of course Sep 08 06:22:48 you need to have a domain and a box on the 'net Sep 08 06:23:06 it's just little more than you need for a ssh tunnel, a ddns and a box on the 'net Sep 08 06:23:25 and then you channel your data trough unique dns requests :) Sep 08 06:23:33 yup Sep 08 06:23:48 either TXT requests, which can be easily blocked, or through AAAA requests Sep 08 06:23:53 so what are you waiting for? Implement and demonstrate! Sep 08 06:24:14 why implement, afaik there are ready to use packages out there Sep 08 06:24:18 exactly Sep 08 06:26:51 I have no idea why I'm doing this, but I installed make-doc and I'm reading trough it now :P Sep 08 06:27:09 s/tro/thro/ Sep 08 06:27:10 merlin1991 meant: I have no idea why I'm doing this, but I installed make-doc and I'm reading through it now :P Sep 08 06:37:33 I just bought a used n810. It does not seem to power down. I press and hold the power key and it seems to go down and then reboot. Is that normal? Does not match my n800's behaviour. Sep 08 06:40:23 DHR: Is your charger connected? Sep 08 06:41:51 not when I try this. The power jack is a little wonky so I don't like holding the n810 while power is connected (would jiggle and no longer charge). Sep 08 06:43:55 since I don't know the state of the software (what the previous owner did), is there a good way to completely reset the whole system? Would reflashing with the latest OS do that? Sep 08 06:43:58 Hey all Sep 08 06:44:12 hey crashanddie Sep 08 06:44:21 howzit going? Sep 08 06:44:34 off topic? Sep 08 06:44:55 depends on what "it" is? Sep 08 06:44:58 but that's more the answer to wherzit going Sep 08 06:45:37 meh, off topic is fine Sep 08 06:45:43 as long as it's not too political Sep 08 06:48:43 crashanddie, going well, I moved on to the documentation in make-doc :D Sep 08 06:48:45 "Device is using more power than it is receiving" wtf? Sep 08 06:49:29 jpinx-eeepc: That happens when your usb port is not providing enough power. Sep 08 06:50:04 jpinx-eeepc: Less than the N900 is using at that moment at least Sep 08 06:50:17 :/ Sep 08 06:50:39 jpinx-eeepc: What does your usb port say it can deliver? Sep 08 06:51:20 dunno where to find that out Sep 08 06:52:48 probably the standard 500Ma Sep 08 06:54:54 Ev'ning Sep 08 06:54:57 Err, morning. Sep 08 06:57:05 jpinx-eeepc: isnt the standart 500mA available without any negotiations ? i think its more Sep 08 06:57:17 morning Jaffa Sep 08 06:57:53 quanttrom: charging from my eeeepc usb port while data transferring Sep 08 06:59:07 not sure if doing heavy data transfers reduces the charging capabilty Sep 08 07:00:21 jpinx-eeepc, are you still using your ssh madness? Sep 08 07:00:37 yep Sep 08 07:00:52 I need to use sshfs, sooo Sep 08 07:22:18 any idea where i can get this stick for the n900? mine broke Sep 08 07:22:23 some online shop eg. Sep 08 07:22:55 cookies! Sep 08 07:23:02 n900 stylus in google might be the first step Sep 08 07:23:09 ah stylus Sep 08 07:23:12 i want cookies Sep 08 07:23:14 i was googling for stick :p Sep 08 07:23:16 :) Sep 08 07:23:39 perfect thx Sep 08 07:23:47 dr34m: i was looking for n900 stylus couple months ago Sep 08 07:23:57 and it worked out that it's simpler to just find my stylus Sep 08 07:24:03 rather than buy new one Sep 08 07:24:05 lol Sep 08 07:24:11 i found already Sep 08 07:24:14 3 pieces 9 euro Sep 08 07:24:36 you can never have enough stylusses ? whats the plural of stylus? :) Sep 08 07:24:37 that's incredibly expensive for a small piece of plastic if you think about it :P Sep 08 07:24:40 try to find original one Sep 08 07:24:42 styli Sep 08 07:24:51 :) Sep 08 07:24:57 english is awesome Sep 08 07:25:04 chinese replacement is easy to find Sep 08 07:25:11 not my best i guess Sep 08 07:28:51 ieatlint: stylii Sep 08 07:29:27 hm did you ever try those screen protectors? that you stick on the display ? Sep 08 07:29:31 uh, no, styli Sep 08 07:29:40 google agrees with me Sep 08 07:29:57 http://www.google.com/search?q=define:stylii has no definitions Sep 08 07:30:00 wonder if the stylus works nicely with such thing Sep 08 07:30:01 styli there has numerous Sep 08 07:30:18 http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stylus?jss=0 Sep 08 07:30:22 dr34m: i have one of the invisible shields on my n900.. works well Sep 08 07:30:23 either goes. Sep 08 07:30:27 A stylus (plural: styli or styluses) Sep 08 07:30:46 jesus i wish i had never asked Sep 08 07:30:54 Shadikka: that page doesn't say stylii is valid Sep 08 07:31:05 pedantic geeks? no way... :P Sep 08 07:31:07 –noun,plural-li Sep 08 07:31:21 whitespace pasting works well, apparently Sep 08 07:31:26 —n , pl -li, -luses Sep 08 07:31:30 yes, plural is styli, not lii Sep 08 07:31:33 would you guys mind a baconbot? Sep 08 07:31:45 only if it offers real bacon Sep 08 07:31:47 sorry, I meant that both styluses and stylii are valid. Sep 08 07:31:51 I'm being ambiguous, my bad. Sep 08 07:32:05 ieatlint: i'm working on that for v2.0 Sep 08 07:32:25 i'm disturbed that the local store here now sells shelf safe bacon Sep 08 07:34:03 dr34m: nah, that's a knockoff with convincing graphics Sep 08 07:34:04 http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/nokia-n900-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php Sep 08 07:34:10 behold! Sep 08 07:34:30 11.99EUR for the knockoff, $14.99USD for the name brand... Sep 08 07:34:32 * ieatlint shrugs Sep 08 07:34:57 BaconBacon: give me bacon Sep 08 07:34:57 BACON! Sep 08 07:35:29 ok ty Sep 08 07:37:49 guys, can you install game from here http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=809723&postcount=32 Sep 08 07:37:57 user claims it can't be installed Sep 08 07:38:38 http://www.schutzfolien-shop.com/handys/nokia/invisibleshield-nokia-n900-screen/a-6006664/ might be more helpful.. their official online store in germany, 12.90EUR Sep 08 07:39:36 rmrfchik: just as a note, it's slightly suspicious to come into an irc channel and ask people to install a random app from an untrusted source :P Sep 08 07:40:02 cost 16,95 here in .nl :p Sep 08 07:40:28 ieatlint: you can trust me! all I want is to stole all your money. Sep 08 07:40:57 ieatlint: as you don't have a lot of money, you lost a little Sep 08 07:41:00 you're wasting your time then :P Sep 08 07:41:04 haha, exactly Sep 08 07:41:06 ;) Sep 08 07:42:29 hrw: ping Sep 08 07:43:45 hi.. quick question, on then n900 there is a ussd widget. I know the latest firmware can do various USSD codes, but i want a desktop widget that checks the value at intervals.. i remember using that widget, but the only problem was that the way ussd codes were handled on the phone application changed as well. Is there a way to prevent that? Sep 08 07:45:42 adalal: afaik ussd-widget comes with qussd which handles answers Sep 08 07:45:58 adalal: I do use ussd-widget with pr1.2 Sep 08 07:46:18 hi Sep 08 07:46:28 rmrfchik: pong Sep 08 07:46:34 hrw: can u check package from http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=809723&postcount=32 Sep 08 07:46:53 hrw: i can install it, user can't Sep 08 07:47:06 I installed second one fine Sep 08 07:47:20 that's good Sep 08 07:48:27 rmrfchik: does it change the way the phone application handles the ussd? Sep 08 07:52:02 adalal: mmm, seems like. if u do ussd query from phone, it is handled by qussd (whatever it is) Sep 08 07:52:24 it shows answer among with keypad Sep 08 07:52:38 hmm Sep 08 07:52:41 i'll try it again Sep 08 07:55:04 am I right in thinking that maemo has gone all windows-ish - it can't open a simple text file when it doesn't have a .txt suffix? Sep 08 07:55:24 vim file; problem solved. Sep 08 07:55:44 sheeeesh Sep 08 07:55:48 j/k. :) But in all seriousness, that would be a bit weird. Sep 08 07:55:56 what crap:/ Sep 08 07:56:35 rmrfchik: right, i want to stop qussd from triggering when i try a ussd code on the phone menu! Sep 08 07:56:50 I am trying to make this a usable device while siting on the bus or whatever. I *know* I can vim anyfile Sep 08 07:56:53 rmrfchik: because a few of the responses here are so long, that they dont fit in the one line qussd writes it on Sep 08 07:58:49 adalal: ah, ic. Sep 08 08:01:07 adalal: ask developer ;) Sep 08 08:01:36 rmrfchik: yea.. will do Sep 08 08:11:44 anyone know how i would go about getting the mameo widgets into lazarus? currently i only seem to have the default ones Sep 08 08:12:58 heya! Sep 08 08:13:16 quick question: any navigation on the n900 yet? Sep 08 08:13:30 Viliny_on_N900: ovi? Sep 08 08:13:47 does that do turn by turn? voice? Sep 08 08:15:16 could kinda need that today and googling for a bit didn't help too much Sep 08 08:15:53 turn by turn yes, voice no Sep 08 08:16:32 ok well thats neat... how? maps is installed but lacks the tbt Sep 08 08:16:47 trying to browse ovi store atm Sep 08 08:17:34 Viliny_on_N900: when you have route, there is some icon which show you 1. turn there, 2. turn here, 3. follow, 4. profit Sep 08 08:17:37 ovi fail you mean? Sep 08 08:18:15 oh ffs, thats not navigation thats printing out instructions :( Sep 08 08:18:22 lol Sep 08 08:18:29 i could take the same dump from google maps Sep 08 08:18:36 you could Sep 08 08:18:47 that's why i use tomtom Sep 08 08:18:50 always reliable Sep 08 08:18:53 so no proper navigation then? Sep 08 08:18:58 no Sep 08 08:19:02 nothing free Sep 08 08:19:15 a wee bit weird, whats the costing options? Sep 08 08:19:22 and sygic cost as much as cheapest tomtom Sep 08 08:19:42 and tomtom is a dedicated device that comes with car mount and everything you need in a car Sep 08 08:19:48 and much better maps Sep 08 08:20:00 umm.. how do I remove a package from my installation queue or whatever it's called with dpkg? Sep 08 08:20:28 dpkg --remove whatever Sep 08 08:21:19 * rmrfchik uses HW navigator. bye, bye ovi ;) Sep 08 08:21:21 sygic the only option? damn this is bad from nokia Sep 08 08:21:29 Viliny_on_N900: welcome to the club Sep 08 08:21:53 thank you, sign me up for 1x jacket Sep 08 08:22:37 hmm didn't someone package navit for it yet? Sep 08 08:22:43 iirc that has turn-by-turn Sep 08 08:22:55 ruskie: there is navit but old version Sep 08 08:23:38 ahh Sep 08 08:23:58 sad but true... let's use a version of debian as base that will die a few months after release :( Sep 08 08:24:29 ah got it. Sep 08 08:24:34 ruskie: you can always try to build curent svn version of navit Sep 08 08:24:39 "dpkg --clear-selections" FYI Sep 08 08:24:51 soltys, well I don't have any need for any such thing Sep 08 08:24:59 ;) Sep 08 08:25:02 I think the gps on my n900 was active some 3 or 4 times Sep 08 08:25:09 I actually prefer just a map and go by that Sep 08 08:26:13 ruskie: I use gps while cycling but as for now I used my freerunner with tangoGPS just for finding where were I Sep 08 08:26:15 the only use for a gps I see myself is the "I'm here" point... no extra software to tell me where to go and so Sep 08 08:27:14 and generally a map is a nice idea since you generally need to look around yourself... and might even see some nice landscape around Sep 08 08:27:48 I think the same ;) Sep 08 08:31:57 I like having a That's There point Sep 08 08:32:57 but sometimes one needs the go there not there you stupid twat option Sep 08 08:33:47 that option keeps trying to kill me Sep 08 08:34:06 no I don't want to cross a busy highway bridge without sidewalks on foot Sep 08 08:34:23 GPSes are awesome Sep 08 08:40:05 indeed Sep 08 08:45:27 oooh, 70 euros for sygic maps Sep 08 08:45:48 buy navigator ;) Sep 08 08:51:45 Hi, I'm trying to install "screen" from "maemo/tools"; but apt-get install screen yields: "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! screen Install these packages without verification [y/N]?" No (of course, I won't install packages signature can't be verified) Sep 08 08:51:53 How this can be fixed? Sep 08 08:52:33 inkbottle: don't attend Sep 08 08:53:15 ? Sep 08 08:59:25 blarrrgh Sep 08 09:01:23 inkbottle: that's not an error, and not a problem Sep 08 09:04:44 ilius: It is a problem: packages must be signed; you don't put untrusted stuffs on your computer Sep 08 09:06:06 inkbottle: it must be verified before putting in official repo, then you trust them when you use that repo Sep 08 09:06:15 inkbottle: then don't do it Sep 08 09:06:20 problem fixed Sep 08 09:08:58 tools repo not really meant to install to N900, and so probably never seen a proper signature key Sep 08 09:10:08 if you don't trust in unsigned packages, then I suggest you build the binaries in your own trusted development environment Sep 08 09:14:14 or, alternatively, install in a chroot and analyze for rogue code using strace and gdb - nah wait those are also from tools repo :-P Sep 08 09:26:35 DocScrutinizer: Sure I don't trust unsigned packages. Bad practice. Sep 08 09:27:23 ilius: and putting the word "official"... well Sep 08 09:27:30 Stuff at nokia repos are probably safe. Sep 08 09:27:33 see you later then Sep 08 09:27:42 no Sep 08 09:28:18 andre__, ping Sep 08 09:29:14 lcuk2, pong Sep 08 09:29:27 SpeedEvil: it's no more or less safe with a signature. Only thing a sig helps are MITM attacks Sep 08 09:29:33 yes Sep 08 09:30:51 anyway seems he left Sep 08 09:35:17 and if he thought about it he'd realize there's simply no public key shipping with N900 that 'd match the tools repo, even when packages there were signed Sep 08 09:35:39 yeah Sep 08 09:37:26 well, back to my C4 package for DHL... >:-( Sep 08 09:38:13 lol DocScrutinizer Sep 08 09:39:02 is there any doc about doing NMU in maemo extras? Sep 08 09:39:25 NMU? Sep 08 09:39:28 soltys: use eCoach for cycling Sep 08 09:39:34 DocScrutinizer: NonMaintainerUpload Sep 08 09:39:59 ooh, guess you're sooooo out of luck Sep 08 09:40:42 as not even maintainers manage to upload smallest fixes to extras directly Sep 08 09:41:06 DocScrutinizer: by extras I mean extras/testing/devel/whatever/maemo/will/add Sep 08 09:41:19 ahh Sep 08 09:41:24 hrw: eCoach ? Sep 08 09:41:25 DocScrutinizer: I have changed apmefo version a lot Sep 08 09:41:28 soltys: yes Sep 08 09:41:49 hrw: never heard of it ;) Sep 08 09:41:52 hrw: probably fork and create your own project Sep 08 09:42:04 soltys: so install and try Sep 08 09:42:17 hrw: I'm not at home atm ;) Sep 08 09:42:21 DocScrutinizer: thats other option Sep 08 09:42:27 soltys: so remember to try Sep 08 09:42:31 hrw, try to submit a patch to the author? Sep 08 09:42:45 that's actually the better option, if you really 'chaged a lot' in GUI Sep 08 09:42:52 MNZ: so far author does not answered to my request for full sources Sep 08 09:43:03 MNZ: so far I recreated UI from scratch Sep 08 09:43:08 hrw: apt-get source pkgname Sep 08 09:43:37 jacekowski: it is not full source Sep 08 09:43:46 it has to Sep 08 09:43:57 jacekowski: apmefo source package contains files generated from *.ui files and they are missing Sep 08 09:44:01 hrw: MNZ: probably she's not interested in your GUI changes Sep 08 09:44:05 otherwise it wouldn't build Sep 08 09:44:25 hmmm Sep 08 09:44:26 jacekowski: it is python - is just needs few copy operations Sep 08 09:44:48 MNZ: hrw: so might an arbitrary number of users -> fork, create own project Sep 08 09:45:02 but for fixing UI I needed *.ui files Sep 08 09:45:04 forks are evil Sep 08 09:45:11 * hrw agree with jacekowski Sep 08 09:45:38 overriding original author on own project also is evil Sep 08 09:46:03 thats why so far I do not made any releases Sep 08 09:47:13 so if she doesn't answer - your only chance and fair enough action is to fork, call it apmefo-II and maintain the new project by your own Sep 08 09:47:35 send her a patch Sep 08 09:47:35 sure Sep 08 09:47:44 will strt from patches Sep 08 09:47:52 who is she anyways? Sep 08 09:48:04 and what is apmefo doing? Sep 08 09:48:23 jacekowski: it is tool to reorgranize list of applications into folders Sep 08 09:48:23 apmefo is the better catorise Sep 08 09:48:39 like catorise? Sep 08 09:48:52 DocScrutinizer: its not better. it is other Sep 08 09:48:52 use defined Sep 08 09:49:06 Is there a chance for navit package upgrade in feed? If the answer is no, how can I build it myself without sdk (I don't have debian and enough space for VM images) Sep 08 09:49:59 you can' Sep 08 09:50:13 can't Sep 08 09:50:18 while catorise it pizza quattro stagnioni, apmefo is pizza build to order Sep 08 09:50:20 Morning Sep 08 09:50:29 it sux Sep 08 09:50:53 but you can speak to me nicely and i can give you access to my buildserver Sep 08 09:51:27 :-P Sep 08 09:51:30 just not now Sep 08 09:51:40 :-P :oD Sep 08 09:51:40 jacekowski: it would be great ;) Sep 08 09:52:06 in about an hour Sep 08 09:52:15 ok, np Sep 08 09:52:20 now i'm on 2g connection Sep 08 09:52:44 and ad ssh is lagging to much to be useful Sep 08 09:53:23 jacekowski: ssh -C ? Sep 08 09:55:35 nah Sep 08 09:55:50 it's 5s lag that is a problem Sep 08 09:56:17 5s is actually not bad :-D (for 2G) Sep 08 09:56:55 and i can't hold phone properly because signal drops Sep 08 09:57:08 yeah a PITA Sep 08 09:57:47 RF engineers never tested the most common usecase for N900 Sep 08 09:58:03 it's (once again) optimized for phone usage Sep 08 09:58:18 so nobody gonna tell me "it's no phone" Sep 08 10:00:04 and they have 30 minutes delay here Sep 08 10:00:43 err who's "they"? the men in the black helis? Sep 08 10:01:23 hospital Sep 08 10:01:27 eeew Sep 08 10:01:34 i had appointment for 10:40 Sep 08 10:03:18 i hope battery will last long enough Sep 08 10:07:43 yeah, bad coverage really *drains* your battery Sep 08 10:12:35 how could I get alpha blending into a game I'm making for maemo if the screen is 16bit ? Sep 08 10:12:44 YUV Sep 08 10:14:44 there's still no YUV support in photoshop, and GIMP doesn't have those layer blending options I'm using in my textures :/ Sep 08 10:15:22 like the other day, yuv is a video mode not the picture format Sep 08 10:15:55 and you would have to use liqbase or write your own mechanism to write to that mode Sep 08 10:17:36 liqbase \o/ Sep 08 10:19:08 lo lcuk2 - where's lcuk? Sep 08 10:19:36 no bacon? Sep 08 10:19:36 BACON! Sep 08 10:20:03 thanks BaconBacon Sep 08 10:20:33 jacktheripper: how you draw textures? x11/sdl/whatever? Sep 08 10:20:52 rmrfchik: pygame, so probably SDL Sep 08 10:21:52 i would start to check sdl/opengl to use alpha. n900 supports opengl (subset) Sep 08 10:22:12 what subset does the n900 support again? es2? Sep 08 10:22:57 google says ES 2.0 Sep 08 10:24:15 I don't think an alpha channel would work at 16bits. Btw, it's 2D sprites, might be different. Sep 08 10:24:19 sounds familiar Sep 08 10:28:25 according to wiki.maemo.org we have hw accelerated opengl es 1.1 and 2.0 Sep 08 10:33:24 you can impliment 1-bit alpha nicely in 16 bits, leaving 5/5/5 for rgb Sep 08 10:33:53 pupnik, its more the banding (which isnt so bad) Sep 08 10:34:26 yeah, i really prefer no-banding Sep 08 10:34:47 but if the speed is too low, sometimes 16-bit is a good compromise Sep 08 10:36:55 indeed Sep 08 10:37:16 i used to run my amiga a1200 in greyscale Sep 08 10:37:22 :) Sep 08 10:37:30 i prefered smoothness Sep 08 10:37:35 kind of boggles my mind how much better yuv looks with the same amt of data Sep 08 10:37:42 its less data Sep 08 10:37:53 12 bits? Sep 08 10:38:15 full resolution greyscale, half resolution colour wash Sep 08 10:38:20 TGA alpha channels work in 16bits! Sep 08 10:39:13 TGA? Sep 08 10:39:33 TARGA Sep 08 10:39:36 the file format Sep 08 10:40:01 you old man Sep 08 10:40:43 old ? why ? it's used in most games, so I thought I might try it, and it worked. Sep 08 10:41:24 nice Sep 08 10:41:45 "The TGA file format was originally defined and specified by AT&T EPICenter with feedback from Island Graphics Inc in 1984" Sep 08 10:42:00 lol, it's still used until today :P Sep 08 10:42:30 cool Sep 08 10:49:49 pupnik_, the format is as valid today as it was then Sep 08 10:50:04 I believe the binary 1 was invented in 1937 Sep 08 10:50:12 before then, people had to make do with just 0's Sep 08 10:52:22 <[DarkGUNMAN-Ext]> morning - quick questio if anyone knows the answer. is there any way to view the full maemo file system from within easydebian ? Sep 08 10:52:42 [DarkGUNMAN-Ext], its a chroot, it changes the root system Sep 08 10:53:06 afaik, you would have to potentially try to remount it (and maybe only as readonly) but don't quote me on that Sep 08 10:53:14 systems within systems within systems make my head explode Sep 08 10:53:20 <[DarkGUNMAN-Ext]> lol Sep 08 10:54:55 <[DarkGUNMAN-Ext]> thanks lcuk. how would I remount maemo within ed's chroot? it is to make fiel management easier using pcmanfm Sep 08 10:55:34 [DarkGUNMAN-Ext], i really don't know Sep 08 10:55:47 others may chime in Sep 08 10:55:54 but my head already exploded Sep 08 10:56:27 <[DarkGUNMAN-Ext]> np. thanks for trying at least :) where's qole when you need him! Sep 08 10:56:38 probably sleeping Sep 08 11:15:32 dark: you need to bindmount / of outer sistem to MyHostRoot/ inside the changeroot Sep 08 11:16:09 quite obviously rhis needs to be done from *outside* the chroot Sep 08 11:23:49 does maemo 4 support pyqt? Sep 08 11:26:56 does maemo5 support pyqt? :-P Sep 08 11:49:59 Hi. I do not get the save attachment option in the menu even tho the mail does contain an attachmen (is marked with clip too). How do I save it then? Sep 08 11:50:40 sounds like a bug alteron Sep 08 11:51:40 yes. i guess im the only one who cant do it. Sep 08 11:52:28 does it happen with all email attachments? Sep 08 11:53:08 nno Sep 08 11:53:36 How I'm expected to receive karma on a package to push it from testing into extras? Do I have to glue ad banners all over the city? Sep 08 11:53:50 zap Sep 08 11:53:52 yes actually Sep 08 11:53:54 by people voting for the package Sep 08 11:53:56 talk about it Sep 08 11:54:03 push people towards it Sep 08 11:54:04 get it tested Sep 08 11:54:14 lol Sep 08 11:54:18 have pride in your package Sep 08 11:54:22 :) Sep 08 11:54:39 and perhaps start a tshirt campaign Sep 08 11:54:53 "i tested zap's package, did you?" Sep 08 11:55:12 but until people know what it is, how should they have motivation to test it Sep 08 11:55:47 Usually an [ANNOUCEMENT] thread on tmo is a good start. Sep 08 11:56:00 Then just beg friends and family to test it :) Sep 08 11:56:08 not beg Sep 08 11:56:14 damn Sep 08 11:56:15 I beg Sep 08 11:56:15 :) Sep 08 11:57:28 speaking of all this Sep 08 11:57:35 I uploaded a new version of liqflow to -testing Sep 08 11:57:36 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/liqflow/0.1.7/ Sep 08 11:57:52 it doesnt change anything visually, but it interacts with vlads live wallpapers better Sep 08 11:58:07 and uses the new library which is all sorted Sep 08 11:58:10 so if people can test :P Sep 08 11:58:32 lcuk spam Sep 08 11:59:36 Howdy, right now I am looking into getting a new phone and it seems the only maemo/meego out is n900? Also what does the future of the device look like as far as OS updates to maemo and even possibly upgrading it to run meego? Sep 08 12:00:10 Think there'd be much use for creating multiple logs simultaneously in a GPS app? Sep 08 12:01:18 Meh, I don't care, I'll add it later if I get bored :) Sep 08 12:03:40 lcuk are you using some really really weird system to version your package, or did the changes section go nuts? http://maemo.org/packages/view/liqflow/ Sep 08 12:05:06 merlin1991, LOL! Sep 08 12:05:07 http://github.com/lcuk/liqbase-playground/blob/master/sub_published/liqflow/debian/changelog Sep 08 12:05:10 theres the changelog Sep 08 12:05:15 I think the website went nuts Sep 08 12:05:17 X-Fade, Sep 08 12:05:18 any comment Sep 08 12:05:23 is "witter" working reliably for you? isn't for me. (n900). Sep 08 12:05:51 I'm using the stable verision and it is working reliably for me, what exactly is going wrong for you? Sep 08 12:07:02 merlin1991, nothing wrong Sep 08 12:07:08 it just needs all the -testing ticks done Sep 08 12:07:22 and for livewp it did not pause Sep 08 12:07:34 when you changed desktops - there is a livewp api that should be followed Sep 08 12:07:38 which I slotted in Sep 08 12:07:40 lcuk I talked to kaie there ;) Sep 08 12:07:43 merlin1991, I'm using the version that is offered from within app manager. I start it, it starts it's home screen (the new interface, not showing tweets, but showing this bubble button). It seems to load from the net (rotating thing in top bar). If I click the bubble, n900 says "witter not responding, close it?" Sep 08 12:07:46 doh! Sep 08 12:08:16 btw push to your git repo, the changelog on git only goes to 0.16 Sep 08 12:09:17 kaie did you enable extras-testing or extras-devel? Sep 08 12:09:55 merlin1991, yes I have extras-devel Sep 08 12:10:31 there you go, dwould the developer from witter uploads every new stop to devel, as it's meant to be a developing repo, you can't trust the versions from there Sep 08 12:10:34 disable devel Sep 08 12:10:40 uninstall witter Sep 08 12:10:42 reinstall Sep 08 12:10:50 and don't update as long as you have devel enabled again Sep 08 12:10:58 ok I 'll try thans Sep 08 12:11:24 * kaie usually had good experience with apps from -devel, didn't know that witter is available as non-devel Sep 08 12:11:36 witter goes up to extras Sep 08 12:11:39 lcuk: You changed multiple version in within a minute. There is too little resolution to sort on timestamp. Sep 08 12:11:59 ! Sep 08 12:12:02 :$ Sep 08 12:12:02 and is one of the few apps that uses the devel -> testing -> extras system the real way :) Sep 08 12:12:03 ok Sep 08 12:12:25 X-Fade, i thought it would sort in the order it sorts on normally? Sep 08 12:12:28 ie version Sep 08 12:12:29 devel for possibly unstable new stuff, testing for assumingly stable stuff, and extras for truly stable stuff Sep 08 12:12:43 makes sense, thanks Sep 08 12:12:49 lcuk: You can't sort on version. Sep 08 12:13:01 lcuk: No database will sort on debian versioning ;) Sep 08 12:13:14 shame, ok understood Sep 08 12:13:27 so it doesnt just read the latest changelog then Sep 08 12:13:33 and those records are from versions pushed Sep 08 12:13:36 lcuk: So the timestamp sort usually does the trick. Sep 08 12:13:53 lcuk: Unless you are really going release crazy. Sep 08 12:14:03 " lcuk: You changed multiple version in within a minute" << this makes me sound like frals or noobmonk3y Sep 08 12:14:14 :) Sep 08 12:14:16 lcuk: And that is usually a sign that you didn't think things through enough :) Sep 08 12:14:23 X-Fade, frustrated at simple packaging mehs! Sep 08 12:14:27 ;) Sep 08 12:14:30 is it possible to set firefox as the default browser somehow? Sep 08 12:14:34 but why is version 0.1.2 on top? Sep 08 12:14:40 that timestamp is defenitely older :) Sep 08 12:15:10 merlin1991: How is 11 lower than 7 ? Sep 08 12:15:15 hm wait nope Sep 08 12:15:16 wtf Sep 08 12:15:40 merlin1991: That is another case of developer not using dch, but typing the changelog manually ;) Sep 08 12:16:15 I guess when I finally start packaging I should use dch then :) Sep 08 12:17:04 X-Fade, i got out of that habit ages ago when me and dch had different ideas about what time it was Sep 08 12:17:08 Or make sure that you don't count backwards or think you are in the future :) Sep 08 12:17:12 but I will resume it Sep 08 12:17:24 pekuja, install browser-switchboard Sep 08 12:18:12 X-Fade, so the displayed changes section is actually multiple records taken from the head when I uploaded it the first time Sep 08 12:18:34 because I always thought it would scan the changelog as discovered in the package I am looking at Sep 08 12:19:29 kale: thanks :-) Sep 08 12:19:36 lcuk: It stores each entry as a separate entry in the db. Sep 08 12:19:51 lcuk: So each time it looks for new entries. Sep 08 12:20:08 Anybody wants to test bash3 for fremantle? :) http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/bash3/3.2-0maemo9/ Sep 08 12:20:29 X-Fade, understood, shall be more careful with it \o Sep 08 12:23:36 stable witter works for me, thx. I was totally falsely assuming that witter was broken because of missing oath support. but stable version supports oauth and works fine... Sep 08 12:27:17 ~tmo Sep 08 12:27:18 i heard tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxes Sep 08 12:27:32 ah yeah, trolls, morons, oxes, that was it :) Sep 08 12:28:14 More like Trolls, Morons and Oxymorons Sep 08 12:29:50 DocScrutinizer, can you please change that to a better description Sep 08 12:29:52 come on Sep 08 12:30:12 lcuk: sorry? Sep 08 12:30:25 you normally setup the ~ things dont you? Sep 08 12:30:42 errr wut? Sep 08 12:31:10 what's youre problem, Sire? Sep 08 12:31:34 lcuk: anyone can do that? Sep 08 12:31:45 IDK, can they? Sep 08 12:31:47 usually yes Sep 08 12:31:53 i always see DocScrutinizer51 playing with them Sep 08 12:32:00 the one for tmo is an insult Sep 08 12:32:21 It seems absolutyely correct to me Sep 08 12:32:55 these things are what you make them of course Sep 08 12:33:05 ~factinfo tmo Sep 08 12:33:05 tmo -- created by Mece <~mece@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe3fdc00-44.dhcp.inet.fi> at Mon Jun 14 16:09:21 2010 (85 days); last modified at Tue Jun 15 14:18:21 2010 by DocScrutinizer2!~jr@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 7 times, last by merlin1991, 5m 48s ago. Sep 08 12:33:15 ahh! Sep 08 12:33:34 * lcuk was right :P Sep 08 12:33:51 argh highlight for nothing Sep 08 12:34:16 moo punks Sep 08 12:34:42 infobot, forget tmo Sep 08 12:34:43 MohammadAG51: i forgot tmo Sep 08 12:34:56 infobot, tmo is http://talk.maemo.org Sep 08 12:34:56 okay, MohammadAG51 Sep 08 12:34:59 infobot, tmo Sep 08 12:35:00 methinks tmo is http://talk.maemo.org Sep 08 12:35:30 infobot, forget everything, dance Sep 08 12:35:30 i didn't have anything called 'everything, dance' to forget, RST38h Sep 08 12:35:32 RST38h: EHLO Sep 08 12:35:37 ~tmo is also too much off-topic Sep 08 12:35:37 DocScrutinizer51: okay Sep 08 12:35:38 zap: hey Sep 08 12:35:49 infobot, tmo Sep 08 12:35:49 rumour has it, tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or too much off-topic Sep 08 12:35:58 infobot, bmo Sep 08 12:36:08 infobot, bmo is http://bugs.maemo.org Sep 08 12:36:08 okay, MohammadAG51 Sep 08 12:36:33 <[DarkGUNMAN-Ext]> docscrutiniser51 - sorry just spotted your reply. do you have a step by step guide? Sep 08 12:37:09 sorry nope, as I got no ED installed Sep 08 12:37:59 <[DarkGUNMAN-Ext]> ah ok. Sep 08 12:39:13 [DarkGUNMAN-Ext]: something along the path: mkdir /easydeb/MyHostRoot; mount -bind / /easydeb/MyHostRoot; chroot /easydeb Sep 08 12:39:43 waaah chroot crazyness Sep 08 12:39:46 (anybody finding syntax errors may keep them free of charge Sep 08 12:39:48 ) Sep 08 12:41:07 I found 2, thanks Sep 08 12:41:56 thanks DocScrutinizer :) a little better, but many people in here also frequent tmo Sep 08 12:43:10 <[DarkGUNMAN-Ext]> DocScrutiniser would this be in maemo console or the easydeb console? Sep 08 12:43:12 lcuk: no, a lot of tmo users dare to come here :-P Sep 08 12:43:46 [DarkGUNMAN-Ext]: this obviously can not work from within easydebian Sep 08 12:44:13 needs to be done from host system level, prior to starting ED chroot Sep 08 12:45:32 infobot, bacon Sep 08 12:45:32 BACON! Sep 08 12:45:32 from memory, bacon is a filling substance which will make you even fatter than you already are... Take my advice, bacon is a food for the gods or for underweight models such as that McBeal chick... Sep 08 12:45:48 [DarkGUNMAN-Ext]: the idea and main purpose of a chroot is to hide away large parts of the host system. So there's no way the chroot can extend the own rights Sep 08 12:46:40 fuck me Doc, you just blew my ears out Sep 08 12:46:45 Heh Sep 08 12:46:58 <[DarkGUNMAN-Ext]> i appreciate you trying to get your head around this Sep 08 12:47:30 kerio: autobots not welcome Sep 08 12:47:56 YOU HAVE KILLED BACON! AAAAAaaa... Sep 08 12:49:18 DocScrutinizer, what about the evil decepticons? Sep 08 12:49:33 lcuk: ?? Sep 08 12:49:45 .14 Sep 08 12:50:03 DocScrutinizer: it's one message every 5 minutes at most Sep 08 12:50:26 :( Sep 08 12:51:02 bots have to be announced and agreed upon with chan mod or owner (general IRC policy) Sep 08 12:51:04 DocScrutinizer, lrn2Transformers Sep 08 12:51:28 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobot Sep 08 12:52:11 DocScrutinizer: can my bot stay here? Sep 08 12:53:02 I don't see the benefit. If there's a random number of users opting in favour of it anyway, I'm the last one to disagree Sep 08 12:53:15 lcuk? Sep 08 12:53:40 as much as i like bacon i agree with doc here :P Sep 08 12:53:45 :( Sep 08 12:53:53 its good for amusement but gets old too quickly for normal conversation Sep 08 12:54:06 oh im still here Sep 08 12:54:50 "Hey, I promise, I'm really OK. The guy in my head will tell you the same." Sep 08 12:55:03 :D Sep 08 12:55:06 bye Sep 08 13:07:33 Morning, day crew. Sep 08 13:08:09 I'm requesting a favor and asking everybody to vote here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=810296 Sep 08 13:10:34 GAN900: done Sep 08 13:12:46 ditto Sep 08 13:12:59 lo GAN900 Sep 08 13:14:02 Hi guys Sep 08 13:16:49 * Khertan_Home VS qstyleditemdelegate : 0-1 Sep 08 13:18:05 hi Sep 08 13:18:18 root Enable RD Mode if you want to break your device Sep 08 13:18:50 :) Sep 08 13:19:16 kto to znaet russian??? vvoju root v terminale a mne pishet Enable RD Mode if you want to break your device Sep 08 13:19:28 asusa7uasus: only English Sep 08 13:19:57 asusa7uasus: but to answer your question, no, you don't need to enable RD mode. Just install the package called "gainroot" Sep 08 13:20:21 asusa7uasus: after installing the gainroot package, you'll be able to get root by typing `root' or `sudo gainroot' Sep 08 13:20:31 At the command root in the terminal wrote Enable RD Mode if you want to break your device Sep 08 13:21:04 i install package gainroot Sep 08 13:22:24 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7772 WONTFIX Sep 08 13:22:26 Bug 7772: Black screen in sunlight for incoming/outgoing call and T&K unlock not working Sep 08 13:22:37 damn Sep 08 13:24:12 my case in #10778 (which is marked is duplicate of #7772) isn't related to sunlight Sep 08 13:28:27 i'm back Sep 08 13:28:35 soltys: Sep 08 13:28:46 jacekowski: ? Sep 08 13:28:50 ;) Sep 08 13:29:00 At the command root in the terminal wrote Enable RD Mode if you want to break your devic ??/ Sep 08 13:29:13 soltys: well, i can give you that scratchbox account at mine Sep 08 13:30:45 is there a working vlc for n900 out ? Sep 08 13:30:53 jacekowski: that would be nice Sep 08 13:31:39 <[DarkGUNMAN-Ext]> Docscrutiniser it worked a charm. First I started easydebian mounted to /.debian. Then mounted the hostroot from maemo console Sep 08 13:31:43 so what do you propose as password and username Sep 08 13:32:26 [DarkGUNMAN-Ext]: fine Sep 08 13:32:54 jacekowski: look at msg Sep 08 13:32:56 crashanddie, rootsh. Sep 08 13:33:07 GAN900: eh? Sep 08 13:34:17 <[DarkGUNMAN-Ext]> thank you for your help :) Sep 08 13:34:23 crashanddie: the package is caled rootsh Sep 08 13:34:30 ah Sep 08 13:34:38 well, what do I know, eh? Sep 08 13:34:46 You should've all learned to speak russian :P Sep 08 13:41:37 soltys: ok Sep 08 13:41:39 soltys: done Sep 08 13:42:02 that's fresh scratchbox installation without nokia binaries Sep 08 13:42:10 In order to obtain Nokia-closed binaries, visit Sep 08 13:42:10 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php to accept the End User Sep 08 13:42:10 License Agreement. You will be given a token to access the Nokia Sep 08 13:42:10 binaries repository with further instructions. Sep 08 13:43:23 jacekowski: ok, thanks but address/port of machine would be also helpfull ;) Sep 08 13:44:22 jacekowski.org Sep 08 13:44:28 port 22 Sep 08 13:44:49 ok, will check it when I get back home Sep 08 13:54:25 Hi folks, how do you import *.ics files into N900 cal? I'm getting errors with *.ics files from evolution :-( Sep 08 14:01:52 * alterego contemplates implementing GPX logging. Sep 08 14:09:14 alterego: See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilution_of_precision_%28GPS%29 Sep 08 14:09:40 I need to poke the gpxrecorder widget thingy as he's miscomputing it by an order of magnitude. Sep 08 14:10:42 SpeedEvil: why? I already know about DOP :P Sep 08 14:13:19 SpeedEvil: oh, this is GPX logging in my GPS app .. Sep 08 14:18:25 ah - k Sep 08 14:18:32 what does this GPS app do? Sep 08 14:24:26 SpeedEvil: tells you your location and heading? :P Sep 08 14:24:28 alterego: get anywhere with my GPS code? :P Sep 08 14:24:54 luke-jr: I'd be interested in testing it on MeeGo, but I still had to implement my own NMEA serializer. Sep 08 14:24:55 can i ask pymaemo questions here? Sep 08 14:25:21 alterego: well, I'm hoping you can fix my NMEA serialization :P Sep 08 14:25:35 Oh, what seems to be the problem? Sep 08 14:25:43 alterego: Ah - I was idly wondering about a GPS related app. Sep 08 14:25:57 gpsd doesn't show horiz/vert accuracy, and flickers the altitude on and off Sep 08 14:26:17 Hmm, Sep 08 14:26:18 I want to press trhe headset buttom, take a pic, note its GPS position, take a voice note while the headset button remains pressed. Sep 08 14:26:53 luke-jr: so you're injecting your output into gpsd? Sep 08 14:26:57 SpeedEvil: and speech recog your note to a comment? Sep 08 14:27:01 luke-jr: Ideally Sep 08 14:27:06 luke-jr: But meh. Sep 08 14:27:09 alterego: gps3.c creates a pty with NMEA, which gpsd can use Sep 08 14:27:33 luke-jr: right. Sep 08 14:27:55 Then what do you use as a client? Sep 08 14:28:22 These are the sentences I support: http://pastie.org/1145876 Sep 08 14:28:59 It's the same subset that SiRF equipment is spec'd to use. Sep 08 14:31:14 alterego: cgps Sep 08 14:31:34 http://openstreetview.org/?lat=56.206369805484&lon=-3.1311035154996&zoom=16 - what I want to use it for - photos Sep 08 14:32:24 luke-jr: what format do your h/v-dop numbers go out as? Sep 08 14:32:27 hum ... how to take screenshot in portrait mode Sep 08 14:32:34 no acces to the status menu Sep 08 14:32:47 Khertan_Home: ssh? :) Sep 08 14:32:51 and if i open the keyboard ... it s coming back to landscape Sep 08 14:33:12 alterego, hum ... ok ... let s go with my python dbus scripting :) Sep 08 14:36:59 alterego: eh? Sep 08 14:38:46 hmm, how do I read/write to gconf from PyQt Sep 08 14:40:41 MohammadAG: use the gconf module? Sep 08 14:40:52 MohammadAG: nothing to do with PyQt .. Sep 08 14:41:02 alterego, importing it would be the easiest step :P Sep 08 14:41:30 I want the app detect a first run, if it's a first run display a mini tutorial Sep 08 14:41:52 the second part I guess can be done with some if/else-s Sep 08 14:41:53 empty flag file is the most common Sep 08 14:42:11 touch ~/.my_app_has_run Sep 08 14:42:20 And check to see if it exists when you start up. Sep 08 14:42:43 how, other than using [ -f ] in bash Sep 08 14:43:00 I thought you were using Python Sep 08 14:43:14 yes, by in bash I meant os.popen :P Sep 08 14:43:30 os.path.isfile() Sep 08 14:43:32 I think Sep 08 14:43:36 Something like that. Sep 08 14:44:01 And to create the file, you can just use sys.exec('touch ~/.myfile') Sep 08 14:44:04 or whatever it is. Sep 08 14:45:00 Hrm, next to implement way points. Sep 08 14:45:24 Khertan_Home: hmm Sep 08 14:45:40 open the keyboard enough to push ctrl+shift+p but not enough to register it as open :D Sep 08 14:46:00 kerio, hum ... i use a timed py script :) Sep 08 14:46:04 easier Sep 08 14:46:20 sleep 10 && screenshot was too hard? Sep 08 14:46:29 ? Sep 08 14:46:41 there is a command for that ? Sep 08 14:46:56 Hahah Sep 08 14:47:20 Jaffa, Ping Sep 08 14:47:22 :) Sep 08 14:47:27 there's probably a command for that Sep 08 14:47:35 Jaffa, I see you picked up on the same thing as me re. architects Sep 08 14:48:03 kerio: the kbd should be offline if not pulled out far enough to trigger the magnet switch Sep 08 14:48:11 are you sure? Sep 08 14:50:27 =True Sep 08 14:51:10 http://khertan.net/_detail/khweeteur_landscape.png?id=khweeteur Sep 08 14:51:19 brb# Sep 08 14:51:25 http://khertan.net/_media/khweeteur_portrait.png?w=240 Sep 08 14:51:36 the next release of Khweeteur Sep 08 14:56:24 chem|st, I was thinking - you might need to improve your candidate declaration a bit... :) Sep 08 15:02:57 dneary: uhmm wtf... Sep 08 15:03:17 chem|st, Or not, up to you... Sep 08 15:03:42 I saw "I am in if and only if the empty spaces get filled by at least 2 former or active council members.\n\nConsider this as a nominee." Sep 08 15:04:04 I thought you might want to say a little more about why you think you'd be good for the council Sep 08 15:08:04 Round 3, appologies for the spam, but please vote here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=810296 Sep 08 15:08:18 If you don't have a Talk account, get one and vote. Sep 08 15:09:41 does any1 here host project on garage? need help with git Sep 08 15:10:16 rmrfchik: with Git in general, or just garage? I can help if it's the former Sep 08 15:10:22 i can help you with git Sep 08 15:10:25 but not garage Sep 08 15:10:38 GAN900, could you at least link to the thread please Sep 08 15:10:44 rather than a post in the thread Sep 08 15:11:45 Weiss_: dunno. I'm new with git. I get "error 22" on push. With GIT_CURL_VERBOSE=1 I see HTTP/1.1 401 Authorization Required Sep 08 15:12:03 Weiss_: I have ~/.netrc with my login/password as https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=1852 says Sep 08 15:12:14 hmm, strange Sep 08 15:12:20 git should ask you for password in that case Sep 08 15:12:29 it didn't Sep 08 15:13:39 aha... I have ~/.gitconfig with username set Sep 08 15:13:58 no help. Sep 08 15:14:55 ÈÍÍ, I see auth basic in log Sep 08 15:16:24 my fault, wrong password. Sep 08 15:16:26 ;) Sep 08 15:17:20 dneary: better? Sep 08 15:17:52 chem|st, What's more important: are you happy with it? Sep 08 15:20:19 lcuk, sorry, stupid Talk php. Sep 08 15:21:15 GAN900, its no problem, but each time you mention that i wonder whether you want to vote up the post itself rather than having people get involved in the thread Sep 08 15:21:29 lcuk, yes, I get that. Sep 08 15:21:50 hrw: if you do care, vexed is hosted on garage now Sep 08 15:21:50 so people should be voting and commenting on the whole thread about Multitasking on Maemo ;) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=61869 Sep 08 15:22:31 It's incredible the number of ways to link to threads and posts. Sep 08 15:22:46 yeah Sep 08 15:22:53 the worst is when it does that centred thing Sep 08 15:22:59 knocks off the formatting Sep 08 15:30:50 lcuk: Are you going to accept your nomination, do you think? Sep 08 15:31:04 (you have another few hours, but I'm not going to be around all evening...) Sep 08 15:36:08 Best of all comments I found so far on the N900, Note: please do not whine, whole thing is still a temp hack. (/usr/sbin/umountfs) :-D Sep 08 15:41:12 dneary: Indeed! Sep 08 15:41:35 Jaffa, As expected, nominations are coming in thick & fast on the last day Sep 08 15:41:54 dneary: Responding to emails on a Blackberry is shit for good netiquette though. I hate roaming (wish there was something like JoikuSpot for the BB) Sep 08 15:41:55 I think that the nomination period need only be open for 2 days, if we could guarantee that everyone knew about it Sep 08 15:43:34 tobis87: presumably, they mean maemo... Sep 08 15:43:39 GAN900: There's a bookmarklet in the Maemo_Weekly_News wiki page to turn a forum.meego.com or talk.maemo.org URL for a post into a thread link Sep 08 15:44:40 dneary, i don't see it as a nomination Sep 08 15:44:44 anyone can shout names Sep 08 15:45:23 lcuk: You got an answer to your question Sep 08 15:45:34 lcuk: Have you seen it yet? Sep 08 15:45:36 * lcuk hasnt checked g in a few mins Sep 08 15:45:53 lcuk: 9.8+-3m/s^2. Sep 08 15:45:54 BCMM: And the file is dated 2006, a long time for a temp hack... Sep 08 15:48:49 the worst thing about multitasking is lack of priority, imho Sep 08 15:49:24 specifically, i think it would be nice if HAM ran apt-whatever nice Sep 08 15:50:20 tracker and thumbnail are even worse Sep 08 15:53:51 * Jaffa starts thinking of his votes; timsamoff, w00t_ and sjgadsby probably come above a self-vote :) Sep 08 15:54:07 Jaffa, that's helpful. Sep 08 15:54:30 * w00t_ hasn't a clue who to vote for yet, this time Sep 08 15:54:37 unlike last election, where it was fairly clear cut for me Sep 08 15:55:16 w00t_: Yourself Sep 08 15:55:34 w00t_: Then others, until you get to people you hate ;-) Sep 08 15:55:51 andrea is a possible.. Sep 08 15:56:41 hmm... the media player sometimes stops playing in the middle of the song Sep 08 15:56:47 and goes back to 00:00 Sep 08 15:56:59 Someone mentioned that I was eligable - is there any way of removing me from the list - I have no energy alas. :( Sep 08 15:57:21 SpeedEvil: shut up if you get elected you're going to go and do what's right for the world Sep 08 15:57:24 SpeedEvil: if you haven't nominated yourself/accepted nomination, you're ok Sep 08 15:57:30 Ah - ok. Sep 08 15:57:35 it's your civic duty! Sep 08 15:57:54 SpeedEvil: You're eligible to stand, but you have to post to do so Sep 08 15:58:12 kerio: Fine - if irt was a moderate salaried position - I'm currently ordering next months groceries for 50 quid, and have no energy. Sep 08 15:58:17 Ok. Wish I could in some ways. Sep 08 15:59:49 Well - most ways. Sep 08 16:04:36 omg i love this phone Sep 08 16:04:53 :) Sep 08 16:04:54 i just downloaded this sleeping analyser thing now i will take it to bed too ! Sep 08 16:05:02 seeping analyser? Sep 08 16:05:06 sleeping Sep 08 16:05:14 A seeping analyser would be something else. Sep 08 16:05:17 jup records your movements at night or smth Sep 08 16:05:36 and broadcasts it to dr34msleeps.org Sep 08 16:05:41 a pr0n paysite Sep 08 16:05:46 exactly :d Sep 08 16:05:57 world domination plans Sep 08 16:09:32 oh my Sep 08 16:09:35 http://svalko.org/data/2010_09_06_13_43_img_ffffound_com_static_data_assets_6_24d202e3b88e944192f34ffad5e0182585f461c0_m.gif Sep 08 16:11:07 loool wtf Sep 08 16:11:15 that your gf ? Sep 08 16:11:28 nope, found in the internets :) Sep 08 16:11:39 crazy stuff :) Sep 08 16:16:31 is there a notpad for N900 thats supports Unicode? Sep 08 16:17:08 you mean, the inputting of arbitrary unicode characters? Sep 08 16:17:56 I mean when i send it from pc Sep 08 16:18:16 already a unicode note in the notepad Sep 08 16:19:14 w00t_, go nominate yourself, please. Sep 08 16:19:23 GAN900: I did Sep 08 16:19:30 Ah, good. Sep 08 16:19:39 * GAN900 isn't caught up on email. Sep 08 16:19:44 (despite initially not wanting to :P) Sep 08 16:20:00 Jaffa, if sjgadsby elects to run again, he damn well better get elected. Sep 08 16:20:15 w00t_, it sucks, yes, but we need good people. . . . Sep 08 16:21:35 how can I save the notebook in Unicode format? Sep 08 16:21:40 notepad Sep 08 16:22:14 how do i formar ms with n900 ? Sep 08 16:22:24 Over 350 votes. Good. Sep 08 16:22:31 dneary, how come any of the other *masters or nokians don't stand for council? Sep 08 16:23:01 is there a way to open a Unicode text recieved from the PC? Sep 08 16:23:02 The *masters are probably involved in the community enough. Sep 08 16:24:01 as am I GAN900 Sep 08 16:24:22 Jaffa, N900 was 250 Euros. Sep 08 16:24:44 Jaffa, 370 USD at the time. Sep 08 16:25:04 Which made it a rather unappealing deal, given the week long warranty. Sep 08 16:25:25 * jpinx-eeepc is looking for a way to export all contacts to a textfile Sep 08 16:27:19 in fact I am looking for where the database is stored so I can do a manual backup, Any ideas anyone? Sep 08 16:27:50 lcuk: For my part, I'd be a little uncomfortable being both master & peasant Sep 08 16:28:03 lcuk: The council is supposed to be directing me :) Sep 08 16:29:56 really dneary how did you direct yourself before the council existed? Sep 08 16:30:26 lcuk: Basically, Quim did. And there was lots to do, so easy to see what people wanted Sep 08 16:30:26 ie, i thought it was a symbiosis Sep 08 16:30:33 It is a symbiosis Sep 08 16:33:19 anyway dneary, I mailed back on the thread Sep 08 16:35:58 hi there Sep 08 16:39:22 lcuk: I didn't know you were officially a Maemo staff member now Sep 08 16:39:32 I am not Sep 08 16:39:46 but I put myself up to spend my community time wisely Sep 08 16:41:33 and dneary on the Fremantle Application Framework team is not the same as maemo.org stuff as you know. Sep 08 16:43:36 i've trouble with maemo. When I reboot n900 today all captions in native language comes broken («wdgt_va_24h_time», «ai_category_system», «ai_ap_name», etc). Also, maemo change it's region to Algeria, and no system language. And it is impossible to change neither region (it suggest to reboot, whet clicking "save" and comes Algeria again after reboot). nor language (it is no any languages in list) Sep 08 16:43:38 lcuk: OK Sep 08 16:43:51 is it fixable without flashing? Sep 08 16:48:01 Fremantle Application Framework Team - ie, the faffing team? Sep 08 16:49:36 Noobmonk3y, yes Sep 08 16:49:46 sounds like my kinda team : hehehe Sep 08 16:49:52 does it involve free bacon? Sep 08 16:50:01 we faff with the system to try and support all the thousands of community apps as well as the entire system too :P Sep 08 16:50:14 Noobmonk3y, hmm Sep 08 16:50:16 lcuk... it almost sounds like work, maybe not :P Sep 08 16:50:30 kerio seems to have resolved his Bacon issue too :) Sep 08 16:52:28 brb , picking up the missus Sep 08 16:52:38 heh ok \o Sep 08 16:53:18 wierd, n900 cant read psp encoded video's Sep 08 16:53:49 weird, psp requires some special video encoding Sep 08 16:53:57 special? Sep 08 16:54:08 just h264 at 480x272 Sep 08 16:54:25 dunno, you said "psp encoded video" Sep 08 16:54:52 we all know psp cant encode rite Sep 08 16:55:11 * Noobmonk3y encodes a trout with a psp and throws it at frals Sep 08 16:55:13 no I don't Sep 08 16:55:26 what's psp? :-P Sep 08 16:55:37 pretty sensitive peanut Sep 08 16:55:40 i thought latest mobiles supported h264-avc mp4 Sep 08 16:55:44 DocScrutinizer: i thought playstation portable Sep 08 16:56:10 ~wtf psp Sep 08 16:56:12 Gee... I don't know what psp means... Sep 08 16:56:18 ~psp Sep 08 16:56:18 psp are Pot Smokin Programmers Sep 08 16:56:22 lol Sep 08 16:56:23 and I'm supposed to know details about that? Sep 08 16:56:24 oh Sep 08 16:56:26 there we go, bot has spoken Sep 08 16:56:38 fserver a bot ? Sep 08 16:56:56 Particularly Stupid Programmers Sep 08 16:57:29 can someone explain this, i'm looking at a shell script and it starts: if [ -e /path/filename ] Sep 08 16:57:43 does the -e actually check if it exists? Sep 08 16:57:52 though in 90s psp meant paintshop pro Sep 08 16:58:02 CreamyG: what's teh hashbang? this is a bash script? Sep 08 16:58:02 CreamyG: yes, that is what -e does .. Sep 08 16:58:06 CreamyG: man bash Sep 08 16:58:22 hmm ok, it's not google-able Sep 08 16:58:24 thanks Sep 08 16:58:40 ok ok handy playstation Sep 08 16:58:41 >_> Sep 08 16:58:47 or, better, man test Sep 08 16:58:55 CreamyG: it is checking taht it exists, but nothing else Sep 08 16:59:23 CreamyG: e.g. it could be a regular file or a FIFO or a directory or something Sep 08 16:59:28 ok... well it doesn't seem to work as intended. i was hoping its missing a command or something. Sep 08 16:59:30 CreamyG: http://www.faqs.org/docs/bashman/bashref_68.html Sep 08 16:59:45 CreamyG: can you pastebin the script? Sep 08 17:00:20 if something doesn't work as expected, you're expecting a wrong thing Sep 08 17:00:31 uhh its part of conky, i'll PM u a link to that file in the git repository... lol hey i didn't code that, i'm bug fixing it Sep 08 17:01:20 why PM? i'm sure there are people here who know more bash than i do Sep 08 17:02:28 BCMM: maybe it's an u6er-sekrit link Sep 08 17:02:30 kk here: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=monky;a=blob;f=debian/conky.sh;h=34f071ea5cc7096e44b2b28650f95c7de6e612a6;hb=HEAD Sep 08 17:03:47 `which conky` o_O Sep 08 17:03:49 `which conky` -d -c /home/user/MyDocs/conky.conf ?? what a cruft is THAT? Sep 08 17:03:59 WTF... Sep 08 17:04:08 yeah i googled that one, which gets the full path of conky Sep 08 17:04:12 yeah, wtf? Sep 08 17:04:21 CreamyG: why? Sep 08 17:04:23 why?? Sep 08 17:04:27 lol Sep 08 17:04:30 how should i know, i didn't write it lol Sep 08 17:04:30 if which can find it, your bash can too Sep 08 17:04:36 does "`which foo`" ever do something differet from "foo"? Sep 08 17:04:44 other than a bit of sensless process creation Sep 08 17:04:45 nope Sep 08 17:05:00 and then again Sep 08 17:05:04 why the -c options.. Sep 08 17:05:20 also, i've never encountered a hashbang with parameters before, is it actually OK? Sep 08 17:05:28 if(-c) fopen(arg) else { fopen(a) || fopen(b) } Sep 08 17:05:29 BCMM: well, it'll fail if which is not available :) Sep 08 17:05:45 BCMM: actually it is Sep 08 17:05:54 guys, is there a unicode compatibile notepad? Sep 08 17:05:55 BCMM: it works... but useless in the case Sep 08 17:06:05 slonopotamus: yeah, it should use `which which` to make sure it can find it... Sep 08 17:06:32 oh, i understand now Sep 08 17:06:34 BCMM: i think which is builtin Sep 08 17:06:44 well the problem is, if the conky.conf doesn't exist in mydocs, it doesn't load at all... but only if i don't have the n900 in mass storage mode. i'm so confused. Sep 08 17:06:45 BCMM: so which which won't find it :) Sep 08 17:06:55 -x "The shell shall write to standard error a trace for each command after it expands the command and before it executes it. " Sep 08 17:07:06 okay, i'm wrong Sep 08 17:07:39 well actually if `which x` can't find x then the result is different from a plain `x` Sep 08 17:07:41 so the idea of the `which` and the -x is to make it output the commands it's executing to stderr, as if it was using full paths Sep 08 17:08:52 ...what for sure isn't the intended way of operation here Sep 08 17:09:11 yeah, it's a pretty bizarre way to do it Sep 08 17:09:27 it'S weird, nuts, crazy Sep 08 17:09:58 hi there... what could cause my emails on the n900 not to update anymore? Sep 08 17:10:04 and probably not messybox-proof Sep 08 17:10:12 and how can i debug what goes wrong at which point? Sep 08 17:10:45 mikki-kun: maybe custom firmware Sep 08 17:11:23 lolloo: hu? i didn't change anything except for where i live now... Sep 08 17:11:44 moved away and yeah, since then emails don't update anymore Sep 08 17:13:22 I cant seem to save in Unicode on notepad Sep 08 17:15:08 notepad on windows? Sep 08 17:18:39 hey lolloo just try notepad++ or something, if it's not working Sep 08 17:20:07 CreamyG: is there one for N900? Sep 08 17:20:09 and mikki-kun, you need to say what type of account you have set up - pop, imap, nokia messaging, etc and what program you are using to check the email. plus there's like a million people with that problem on the forum, u could probalby just google it Sep 08 17:20:45 on the n900, well u never said that... lol. try leafpad or something, i dunno Sep 08 17:21:02 if note pad is the "notes" app that came build in, i'm not surprised if it can't do what u need Sep 08 17:22:26 CreamyG: will do, thankyou Sep 08 17:23:12 ahh i bet i know what's wrong with conky, probably that default .conf file is crashing it. Sep 08 17:24:35 CreamyG: i think i found a solution which mentions the router blocking imap-conections Sep 08 17:27:14 mikki-kun, imap doesn't work 100% i think. u might have to remove and add the account back or something. i think the nokia messaging works better, you might want to try that Sep 08 17:31:02 ~seen dneary Sep 08 17:31:02 Noobmonk3y: i didn't solve my bacon issue actually Sep 08 17:31:03 dneary <~dneary@Maemo/community/docmaster/dneary> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 47m 24s ago, saying: 'lcuk: OK'. Sep 08 17:31:10 DocScrutinizer made me remove the bot :( Sep 08 17:33:45 oh Sep 08 17:44:31 thses isnt support for ISO-88591 character codes in notepads Sep 08 17:46:32 and for good reason Sep 08 17:46:35 you should be using utf8 Sep 08 17:46:51 i'm freaking disappointed there will be no N9 at nokia world in london....WTF???? anyody kno whats going on? Sep 08 17:47:34 people say n9 is delayed???? wtf??? Sep 08 17:47:37 they ran out of unicorns Sep 08 17:47:47 Apple got the last batch Sep 08 17:48:16 nokia wants to be playa they aint gonna be there without n9 and meego, Sep 08 17:48:34 i think nokia's last concern is being "playa" Sep 08 17:48:51 N9revenge, to be fair, theres an N8 being made available right about now. Sep 08 17:48:51 They should have ordered some from thinkgeek. Sep 08 17:48:55 http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/unicorn-meat.shtml Sep 08 17:49:08 kerio: why? n9 looks freakin smoking man Sep 08 17:49:29 N9revenge, wheres the Nokia page for the N9? Sep 08 17:49:39 SpeedEvil: supposedly Apple is working on a virgin blood reactor for their reality distortion field Sep 08 17:49:44 but n8 is same old shitty symbian....bring the N9 on and start rockin man! Sep 08 17:49:53 that should leave more unicorns available for the other companies Sep 08 17:50:21 lcuk: nokia page? whatcha talkin bout? Sep 08 17:50:34 like I say N9revenge - show me some official nokia site showing that the N9 exists Sep 08 17:50:43 cos I certainly havent read anything Sep 08 17:50:56 lcuk: are you saying its all bullshit talk? Sep 08 17:51:25 it dont exist? Sep 08 17:51:34 has it been announced? Sep 08 17:52:24 the russian blogger dude i forget his name now was saying N9 is delayed....i was like wtf??? nokia cant afford to wait man Sep 08 17:52:25 there are just pictures from china of something that looks like a nokia prototype Sep 08 17:52:39 "russian blogger dude" hmm Sep 08 17:52:46 he sounds like official source to me Sep 08 17:52:48 lcuk: whut? Sep 08 17:53:10 lcuk is someone who isn't allowed to talk about the n9 N9revenge Sep 08 17:53:14 you kiddin man the russian dude was right about a lotta things... Sep 08 17:53:29 lcuk sssssssh the N9 is the new codename for the iphone6million Sep 08 17:53:32 so was rosey lee Sep 08 17:54:00 n900 is yesterdays news....maemo needs new fones Sep 08 17:54:30 i thought n9 was it....are there any insiders in this channel? Sep 08 17:54:30 so make one Sep 08 17:54:33 ooh hey RevdKathy Sep 08 17:54:37 Maemo is very unlikely to be on any new phone. Sep 08 17:54:38 n9 yesish, lol Sep 08 17:54:40 It's meego. Sep 08 17:54:41 and lol Sep 08 17:54:42 any nokia insiders here? Sep 08 17:54:45 * lcuk was just sorting own stuff out Sep 08 17:54:47 Hi -lcuk! thought I'd find you here Sep 08 17:54:54 * Noobmonk3y waves @ Kathy!!!! Sep 08 17:54:59 indeed, i thought you were knitting :P Sep 08 17:55:04 saying it's "delayed" is kinda funny considering there's been no announce date.. heck, N9 doesn't officially exist even. Sep 08 17:55:07 lcuk - knitting the new n9? lol Sep 08 17:55:10 Hi noobmonk3y! How're you? Sep 08 17:55:12 how can a file i uploaded to the n900 with sftp only show up with the nokia file manager but not in the shell or mass storage mode? Sep 08 17:55:12 * Noobmonk3y feels like starting rumours Sep 08 17:55:27 CreamyG: you're looking in the wrong places Sep 08 17:55:27 i'm very very good thank you!!! how are you?! Sep 08 17:55:36 i wanna talk to nokia insiders....they gotta know this shit Sep 08 17:55:40 Threatening to be knitting maemo-org n900 socks and green meegons for conference Sep 08 17:55:50 They are also bound by NDAs N9 Sep 08 17:56:04 RevdKathy: please do :) Sep 08 17:56:07 it's just in MyDocs Sep 08 17:56:12 Glad to hear it, Noobmonk3y! generally good, ta, though under pressure Sep 08 17:56:20 pressure? eeeeeeeeek Sep 08 17:56:29 wtf???? fuck nda Sep 08 17:56:57 maemo.org n900 socks should be very simple Sep 08 17:57:12 N9revenge: I would be happy to break any and all NDAs I have signed with nokia to conceal information I know about the n9 for only $1000 by paypal. Sep 08 17:57:31 i'll do that for $999 Sep 08 17:57:42 ah. /ignore is a bliss Sep 08 17:58:53 i still have the ftp window open, says i uploaded it to /home/user/MyDocs. Conky loads it. nokia file manager sees it. but if i open a shell to that location or mount the drive with usb it's not there Sep 08 18:02:54 Any PyQt4 gurus in here to tell me why my buttons looks like this? http://www.kolumbus.fi/yabbapappa/Muut/Screenshot.png Sep 08 18:03:34 $10 I can coerce Kathy into running. Sep 08 18:03:40 RevdKathy! Sep 08 18:04:00 Hi GAN900 Sep 08 18:04:07 Thank you for the email Sep 08 18:04:25 RevdKathy, any time. :) Are you running? Sep 08 18:04:28 Yabba, is that 2 buttons or 6 Sep 08 18:04:32 err 10 Sep 08 18:04:45 * timoph would love to see RevdKathy accept the nomination Sep 08 18:04:47 wtf, so i deleted "conky.conf" from the nokia file manager, and the other stuff says "conky.conf.bak" was deleted. i guess it was just hiding the .bak to confuse me. great feature. Sep 08 18:04:54 There is only 2 buttons on that. Shutter and activate 2 sec mode Sep 08 18:05:18 Ummm not sure. I have till midnight, yes? Though Dave has me as a 'no' so migth need permission to change my mind! Sep 08 18:05:20 Yabba, check bugzille see if its a qt specific bug Sep 08 18:05:38 ooh my credit got topped up Sep 08 18:05:42 RevdKathy, no, your deadline is right now. Sep 08 18:05:43 * lcuk was waiting for that msg Sep 08 18:05:43 i'd love to know how conky was loading the conky.conf.bak though Sep 08 18:05:44 lcuk, ok Sep 08 18:05:51 If you don't run I'm going to be sad. Sep 08 18:06:01 are you running gan? Sep 08 18:06:03 I didn't come in here for strokes - was looking for lcuk Sep 08 18:06:16 do you want me to call you lcuk? Sep 08 18:06:22 :) Sep 08 18:06:47 02: You've now got unlimited UK texts and unlimited internet to use this month" :D Sep 08 18:06:59 nahh RevdKathy I will call you, just making a cuppa 1st Sep 08 18:07:01 yippee! Sep 08 18:07:17 ok - I have minutes to spare but don't seem to have your number Sep 08 18:08:15 aha - found it in my sms line 10 months old! Sep 08 18:08:17 you should have now I just sms'ed, hang on still gotta get a brew Sep 08 18:08:21 just in time :-) Sep 08 18:11:12 hello RevdKathy Sep 08 18:11:28 Hi DocScrutinizer! How're you? Sep 08 18:11:40 come ci come ca Sep 08 18:13:23 Is that good? Sep 08 18:14:24 lcuk, god no. Sep 08 18:14:33 I'm conning Kathy into running for me. Sep 08 18:15:19 why, if she replaces you she will have to become grumpy and we like kathy to smile :P Sep 08 18:15:37 A grumpy bear would be a bad idea! Sep 08 18:16:22 RevdKathy, I wont abuse you over it, but I REALLY hope you run, and I know you'll fit the role perfectly. :) Sep 08 18:16:40 Whatever you yourself may think. Sep 08 18:35:00 hello Sep 08 18:36:36 Hi Sep 08 18:38:31 Does anyone know how to make rootsh ask for the root password to login as root on the N900? Sep 08 18:39:44 it makes me nervous that any program I install could have so easily root privileges... Sep 08 18:40:14 <[sergiu]> install su and remove rootsh :p Sep 08 18:40:29 s/su/sudo/ Sep 08 18:40:35 create a password: `root; passwd` - then edit /etc/sudoers: change "NOPASSWD" to "PASSWD" or just delete Sep 08 18:40:46 [sergiu]: BS Sep 08 18:41:41 ok thanks for your replies :) I'm going to try now... Sep 08 18:42:15 DocScrutinizer, doesn't removing nopasswd make sudo ask for the users password instead of roots password? Sep 08 18:43:27 user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot -> user ALL = PASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot Sep 08 18:44:10 evening, just got my phone back from nokia!!!! and i got no contacts can i import them directly from googlemail? Sep 08 18:44:43 Defaults targetpw # ask for the password of the target user i.e. root Sep 08 18:45:56 anybody here using Groove? (GrooveShark client) Sep 08 18:46:09 DocScrutinizer was it u who's the eletrical engineer? Sep 08 18:46:23 Updated to newer version and now search doesn't work :/ Sep 08 18:46:26 ~ DocScrutinizer Sep 08 18:46:27 [docscrutinizer] jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko Sep 08 18:46:53 didn't work... Sep 08 18:47:03 i'm trying to think who i spoke to last time about phone screen going, ur name rings a bell :p Sep 08 18:47:18 Meldiuz: see my above two posts Sep 08 18:47:25 forget the fools Sep 08 18:48:00 couldn't get su pkg with apt-get install : couldn't find it Sep 08 18:48:13 Meldiuz: forget it!!!! Sep 08 18:48:24 su doesn't work, even if you'd find Sep 08 18:49:02 Meldiuz: [sergiu] and zokier were kidding you Sep 08 18:49:33 (or they are noobs who don't know better) Sep 08 18:49:39 okies seems like groove no longer works ;___; Sep 08 18:50:21 DocScrutunizer : your option didn't make a difference either Sep 08 18:50:24 any idea then can u import gmail contacts to the phone? Sep 08 18:50:54 Meldiuz: edit /etc/sudoers, add first line >>Defaults targetpw<<, change line >>user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot<< to read PASSWD instead of NOPASSWD Sep 08 18:52:10 then, if that works, do the same edit in the file /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo Sep 08 18:52:14 actually, i don't know the reason why i should use some strange rootsh/gainroot/root-scripts instead of just using sudo -s Sep 08 18:53:04 uhuh, just try sudo -s without rootsh installed, fool Sep 08 18:54:09 then learn about messybox Sep 08 18:57:03 http://codepad.org/24j7PBaG like this? Sep 08 18:57:11 I still get root access straight away, when I type root Sep 08 18:57:37 should I restart the n900? Sep 08 18:58:11 I've added the 1st line and changed to PASSWD Sep 08 18:58:25 tried sudo -k first? Sep 08 18:58:51 ("The -k (kill) option to sudo invalidates the user’s timestamp by setting the time on it to the Epoch. The next time sudo is run a password will be required.") Sep 08 18:59:08 not sure how it's configured on the n900 though Sep 08 19:03:30 Meldiuz: works for me, try sudo -k, or just wait 10min(?) until old password times out Sep 08 19:03:33 how's battery drain with openntpd running? Sep 08 19:03:59 marginally better Sep 08 19:04:06 DocScrutinizer: ok :D Sep 08 19:04:11 err worse Sep 08 19:04:22 DocScrutinizer: so not worth thinking about? Sep 08 19:04:32 not really Sep 08 19:04:36 fine, thanks Sep 08 19:04:58 time was always off 3 minutes, even with that "sync time" option in the GUI enabled, no clue why Sep 08 19:05:26 steinex: your GSM carrier is crap Sep 08 19:05:28 :-) Sep 08 19:05:43 ;) Sep 08 19:06:58 steinex: you occasionally might want to issue `hwclock --systohc` Sep 08 19:07:29 any ideas if u can import gmail contacs into the n900? Sep 08 19:07:39 sounds reasonable, will give that a cronjob Sep 08 19:08:59 checking out iodine tonight Sep 08 19:09:32 to get teh packetz from this very crappy gsm-carrier when they put me to 2g speed after 20ß0mb ;-) Sep 08 19:10:01 ouch Sep 08 19:10:13 hm? Sep 08 19:10:43 for the 2G downgrade Sep 08 19:11:27 the thing is... i would even upgrade to 1G or something like that. but they want 35euro more for an upgrade to 5G/month which i wouldn't ever need Sep 08 19:11:28 5GB flat here Sep 08 19:11:33 nothing in between Sep 08 19:11:34 :/ Sep 08 19:12:00 ""flat"" Sep 08 19:12:13 sudo -k didn't make any diiference Sep 08 19:12:16 O2-loop with INTERNET-L Sep 08 19:12:31 DocScrutinizer: vodafone here Sep 08 19:12:34 Meldiuz: worked for me Sep 08 19:12:55 DocScrutinizer: i tried some dns-tunnel tests with them when i was downgraded again Sep 08 19:12:55 RevdKathy, omg Sep 08 19:13:06 7kb/s without, 70kb/s with dns-tunnel Sep 08 19:13:16 just need to get this in shape for daily use and i'm fine ;-) Sep 08 19:13:26 ran out of credit? Sep 08 19:13:31 woot! dns tunneling! Sep 08 19:13:32 so I'm going to restart the N900 (so I'll quit the channel and come back Sep 08 19:13:33 dnstunnel sounds...hacky Sep 08 19:13:39 dns tunneling is awesome Sep 08 19:13:41 RevdKathy: no, my plan just includes 200mb Sep 08 19:13:54 by the way what does BS mean? Sep 08 19:13:56 and not *that* easy to detect Sep 08 19:14:16 Meldiuz: I added the >>Defaults targetpw<< line, deleted "NO", and saved the file. Then tried to `root` from a xterm on N900 and it asked for my root password which luckily was set Sep 08 19:14:36 ~wtf BS Sep 08 19:14:37 BS: bullshit Sep 08 19:15:00 Meldiuz: on rebooting N900 your edits in /etc/sudoers get lost Sep 08 19:15:12 you need to add a file of your own in /etc/sudoers.d/ Sep 08 19:15:34 Meldiuz: you need to edit /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo for taking effect on next boot Sep 08 19:17:11 that's strange... Sep 08 19:18:07 kerio: adding files to /etc/sudoers.d/* is fine for new things, it's messy for overriding existing things like sudo gainroot Sep 08 19:18:39 thanks for your answer infobot Sep 08 19:18:50 ~botsnack Sep 08 19:18:50 DocScrutinizer: :) Sep 08 19:19:11 DocSrutinizer : yes I've changed the 2nd file Sep 08 19:19:29 well I'm rebooting now Sep 08 19:19:32 so now run update-sudoers and fine you are Sep 08 19:19:43 or just boot Sep 08 19:19:59 bbl, cya Sep 08 19:21:50 is there a new meego image out today? Sep 08 19:22:27 mece: Every wednesday. Sep 08 19:22:42 imagine that, it just happens to be wednesday :) Sep 08 19:23:05 Alright I think I'm gonna try the latest one out, and see how it is. *curious* Sep 08 19:23:05 Oh wow, indeed :D Sep 08 19:24:52 * lcuk has melted earwax Sep 08 19:26:43 lcuk, good to know. Sep 08 19:27:00 ok, I'm out. Sep 08 19:27:02 bbl. Sep 08 19:27:03 \o Sep 08 19:31:22 there was an other line to change and now it's working :) Sep 08 19:33:58 on /etc/sudoers there was an other line further down with 'user ALL = NOPASSWD: All' Sep 08 19:34:17 so changed it to PASSWD too Sep 08 19:42:25 anyone played around with QImage? Sep 08 19:42:34 Pretty cool to use helsinki bus catcher and then see the actual bus you have been following on the map come by. Sep 08 19:44:05 wait what.. you get gps data from busses in helsinki? Sep 08 19:44:28 steinex: The bus service actually publishes that data. Sep 08 19:44:34 awesome. Sep 08 19:44:42 lightyears in front of germany Sep 08 19:44:57 X-Fade, making use of digital data is on the the govt commitments isnt it? Sep 08 19:45:14 or making it actively available for consumption Sep 08 19:45:21 MohammadAG, i've used it a little bit Sep 08 19:45:31 any ideas if u can import gmail contacts into phone with out setting mail client up? Sep 08 19:45:50 zokier, can I load an image into a QDialog with it? Sep 08 19:45:52 FireStorm|, any idea how to export gmail contacts? Sep 08 19:45:57 lcuk - earwax from being on the phone so long! Sep 08 19:46:04 yes RevdKathy Sep 08 19:46:13 but i had to put my drops in the other ear too Sep 08 19:46:26 Sowwy! It was useful to talk though Sep 08 19:46:36 MohammadAG, i think you need a qwidget where you put the image first Sep 08 19:46:49 indeed RevdKathy Sep 08 19:47:05 struggling with this email! Sep 08 19:47:11 * MohammadAG scratches head Sep 08 19:47:32 "give me 10 million dollars or the bear gets it?" mail, or another? Sep 08 19:47:59 MohammadAG: your pulseaudio etc packages are available with proper sources? Sep 08 19:48:06 OMG,I received the 12th SMS from Ovi store giving out a link which I 'shared' with myself,How to stop This? Sep 08 19:48:16 * knightstalker slaps Ovi anyway Sep 08 19:48:22 well no lcuk u can export to a file though can't u Sep 08 19:48:22 hrw|gone, I linked to the patch I used Sep 08 19:48:34 GIT Sep 08 19:48:40 you need it Sep 08 19:48:48 FireStorm|, IDK Sep 08 19:49:09 lcuk, indeed, too many things floating around in my head right now :/ Sep 08 19:49:10 i believe though if you have contacts in vcontact format they are imporatable, but don't quote me on that Sep 08 19:49:21 cause i really cba to hand enter all the my contacts again Sep 08 19:49:42 lcuk I think on that basis the bear is kapok! Sep 08 19:49:43 MohammadAG: but no dsc/diff/tar.gz debian style ones? Sep 08 19:49:49 RevdKathy, just think of the fish nibbling Sep 08 19:50:06 Eek! tickly! Sep 08 19:50:07 hrw|gone, lemme check, though I think I forgot them on my old scratchbox Sep 08 19:50:19 which apparently didn't rsync :P Sep 08 19:50:47 can u set phone to save to sim rather then to phone then? Sep 08 19:51:32 MohammadAG, apparently qlabel is the widget if you want to display an image Sep 08 19:51:52 it uses qpixmaps Sep 08 19:51:52 :D Sep 08 19:52:19 * MohammadAG scratches head again :P Sep 08 19:52:28 OMG,I received the 12th SMS from Ovi store giving out a link which I 'shared' with myself,How to stop This? Sep 08 19:53:09 oh, I see Sep 08 19:53:10 * MohammadAG checks Sep 08 19:53:28 FireStorm|, no http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=maemo+contacts+sim Sep 08 19:53:50 who has PyQt4/maemo experience here? Sep 08 19:53:51 knightstalker: you think aslking twice will let ppl answer you... Sep 08 19:53:53 qimage is used only for storing images in memory, you need a widget to display it. qlabel is such widget Sep 08 19:53:55 gett what crap is that!!! Sep 08 19:54:07 but theres plenty of advice about copying contacts over Sep 08 19:54:09 lolloo,Yes Sep 08 19:54:26 so i can import from sim to phone but i can't export to it whats that all about lol Sep 08 19:54:36 knightstalker: atleast try asking another way... Sep 08 19:55:54 thats like they half a job and it was 5pm friday so went home and just left it lol Sep 08 19:56:03 lolloo,and you can help community another way too ^_^ Sep 08 19:56:04 knightstalker, or go and ask ovi Sep 08 19:56:21 lcuk,how I may ask? Sep 08 19:56:31 lcuk,how, may ask?* Sep 08 19:56:39 MohammadAG, alternatively you could subclass qdialog and draw the image directly in the paintevent on screen Sep 08 19:58:07 knightstalker, perhaps you could go onto the ovi store with your account and see if theres a support button? Sep 08 19:58:14 since its ovi sending you a message Sep 08 19:58:21 relating to someinthg you did on the ovi store Sep 08 19:58:43 or on ovi data service rather Sep 08 19:58:58 lcuk,well,I do not think they provide support while I did use proxies to get rid of their 'This service isn't available in your area' thingy,but I may try... Sep 08 19:59:43 hey knightstalker - so you snuck in by the side entrance, used the service against the stated terms and now crying to us when it doesnt go as expected? Sep 08 20:00:06 Yes,as it accepted my Phone number Sep 08 20:00:22 sigh Sep 08 20:00:25 gnite Sep 08 20:00:26 ^_^ Sep 08 20:00:30 Byez :P Sep 08 20:00:55 lol Sep 08 20:02:28 lcuk whats that don't let the door slam behind you on the way out. Sep 08 20:03:01 re Sep 08 20:03:34 GAN900: Ah, my mistake EUR symbol isn't 7-bit safe Sep 08 20:08:22 RevdKathy: So it was lcuk gibing you a verbal bashing to stand? Sep 08 20:08:50 lcuk u reckon maemo can import v cards? Sep 08 20:08:52 We talked about many things, but that was part of it. And all the emails and tweets, too Sep 08 20:09:21 RevdKathy: Cool, glad you changed your mind Sep 08 20:09:22 Lcuk and I also discussed getting your feet nibbled by fish. Sep 08 20:09:40 Gold fish shoals nibbling on your toes? Sep 08 20:09:41 Thanks. Of course, standing is no guarantee of election! Sep 08 20:10:09 no, I think it was piranhas, actually Sep 08 20:10:17 It does if there are exactly 3 or 5 candidate (past that point now) Sep 08 20:10:34 Well past that point and all excellent candidates (except me) Sep 08 20:10:50 Argh Sep 08 20:10:55 argh? Sep 08 20:11:27 RevdKathy, enough of that or we'll have to get the trouts out. Sep 08 20:11:44 To nibble my feet? Sep 08 20:11:57 Jaffa, $250 would've been reasonable. :P Sep 08 20:12:44 GAN900: Indeed. But it *was* so much easier for Nokia to administer :-/ Sep 08 20:13:01 hey guys is there any show/hide event in xchat ? Sep 08 20:13:27 what is that? Sep 08 20:13:41 what is what Sep 08 20:13:46 you want to go away if you switch away from xchat? Sep 08 20:14:14 I'm afraid this isn't possible with xchat (yet?) Sep 08 20:14:14 ... show/hide events Sep 08 20:14:32 meaning hide join/part/quit statuses Sep 08 20:14:38 repeating with the same words does not make it clearer... Sep 08 20:14:41 ah. Sep 08 20:15:33 Jaffa, apparently a couple of people have processed warranty claims through Nokia Care. Sep 08 20:15:47 Chibi-Taiga, yes. Sep 08 20:15:59 Although I can't currently remember the command. Sep 08 20:16:06 darn Sep 08 20:16:08 Likely something in settings, too. Sep 08 20:16:13 it would save log spave lol Sep 08 20:16:18 I can't find anything in the xchat UI on my machine here (not N900) about this Sep 08 20:16:30 i can find anything for show/hide events Sep 08 20:16:47 GAN900: Impressive. Sep 08 20:16:57 Oh that's interesting. If you use the Qt Mobility API to keep the screen alive, it actually wakes the device up from screen lock Sep 08 20:17:04 on my pc i use mirc Sep 08 20:17:09 way beter Sep 08 20:17:12 Neat for development, pain in the arse if someone does something annoying with it. Sep 08 20:26:10 'Night all! Sep 08 20:31:43 lol gotta love pc suite and windows 7 Sep 08 20:34:59 Chibi-Taiga: hide join/quit is in chan-tab context menu (click+hold) Sep 08 20:34:59 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=811007&postcount=206 for ApMeFo users Sep 08 20:35:08 Chibi-Taiga: in N900 xchat Sep 08 20:35:20 richt click ? how ? Sep 08 20:35:28 err nvm Sep 08 20:35:32 DocScrutinizer: opinion? Sep 08 20:35:33 misreaded Sep 08 20:35:39 thx Sep 08 20:35:59 hwoarang: my current opinion is simply >>burrp<< Sep 08 20:36:15 hrw|gone: ^^ Sep 08 20:37:27 DocScrutinizer: noted Sep 08 20:38:10 sorry, but even slowly fading into >>yawn<< (damn, that greek dinner) Sep 08 20:38:46 also Sep 08 20:38:48 ~tmo Sep 08 20:38:48 tmo is, like, http://talk.maemo.org, or too much off-topic Sep 08 20:38:56 DocScrutinizer: no problem Sep 08 20:39:09 though I preferred the former def Sep 08 20:39:11 DocScrutinizer: I just know that you use it so you are good person to ask Sep 08 20:39:44 I'll open the thread in browser and read it tomorrow, deal? Sep 08 20:39:48 sure Sep 08 20:40:06 DocScrutinizer: in short: no more tabs Sep 08 20:40:31 pics look nice Sep 08 20:41:04 but await spanking, I'm a harsh usability critic Sep 08 20:41:17 ;) Sep 08 20:41:34 well, it can't get worse than original apmefo :-P Sep 08 20:43:07 o yes Sep 08 20:50:36 hrw|gone, that looks much better than current design. More in sync with the way of the maemo :D Sep 08 20:51:32 the N900 device /home/user/MyDoc is vfat. Wouln't it work to reformat in an linux format? Or is there a hw restriction for the memory device? Sep 08 20:52:16 pog, it's a sensible choice considering you probably want to mount it with several different OSes and they all support fat Sep 08 20:54:02 from this pont of view, yes. But not less good to install a another bootabel Linux-OS. Sep 08 20:54:43 lcuk ur right it dont' work Sep 08 20:54:55 I havend seen yet, wether the device can be taken out of the device. Sep 08 20:55:16 you mead per as USB-Device, o.k. Sep 08 20:57:29 lcuk yer it don't work, if u import via data suite. and select vcf it don't do it just errors Sep 08 20:57:43 if u select contacts which is xls / vcf / txt it trys and puts all contact in as one Sep 08 20:57:46 one might perhaps reformat to one part vat32, and a second part ext3, which works in general with usbsticks Sep 08 21:01:32 but there is another sd-Device, which I could use, I beliefe. Sep 08 21:01:47 lcuk if u import it at a vcf card it just crashes the comminucation cntre lol Sep 08 21:06:09 import it as CSV file it give u the correct number of contacts but no entrys lol Sep 08 21:06:09 ffs Sep 08 21:06:12 i don't really want to sit and import 200 contacts :( Sep 08 21:06:17 any one got any ideas on importing Gmail contacts into maemo Sep 08 21:07:04 joy of Nokia suite? Sep 08 21:07:53 how do i add google voice on n900 Sep 08 21:08:19 any one? Sep 08 21:10:03 how do i add google voice on n900 Sep 08 21:14:39 is it possible to reset the partition table of mmc using n900? Sep 08 21:14:42 sfdisk maybe? Sep 08 21:14:54 come on someone most have done it before :( Sep 08 21:16:07 mine only has a single partition on it Sep 08 21:16:17 probably vfat Sep 08 21:16:22 too lazy to check now Sep 08 21:16:41 * satmd speaks of the mmc, not the eMMC Sep 08 21:18:55 * FireStorm| slaps shity n900 and nokia :@ Sep 08 21:20:23 DocScrutinizer any ideas ? Sep 08 21:20:28 how do i add google voice on n900 Sep 08 21:21:20 sorry 2 lines above I got highlight, and 3 lines above I stopped reading backscroll Sep 08 21:22:07 any ideas on how to import gmail contacts into n900 Sep 08 21:22:11 cause it don't wanan know Sep 08 21:22:28 iluminator101: check tmo and repos Sep 08 21:22:30 iluminator101: check tmo and repos Sep 08 21:22:31 iluminator101: check tmo and repos Sep 08 21:22:58 tmo?? Sep 08 21:23:01 * DocScrutinizer gets in a kicking mood :-/ Sep 08 21:23:10 everybody hide! Sep 08 21:23:19 * kerio hides Sep 08 21:23:25 * MNZ dances Sep 08 21:23:32 damn, chadi beat me at hiding Sep 08 21:23:51 iluminator101, talk.maemo.org Sep 08 21:24:05 * FireStorm| get in the hot tub and hids! Sep 08 21:25:17 :( Sep 08 21:34:13 hey does anyone know the proper units for cpu time - looks like minutes, seconds, ms but i'm not sure Sep 08 21:34:36 like it says xorg 19:28.55 Sep 08 21:34:54 and i rebooted less than 19 hrs ago for sure Sep 08 21:38:29 19 mins Sep 08 21:39:35 MM:SS.ms ? Sep 08 21:41:00 oh, it's 13:37 Sep 08 21:41:32 no seconds.hundredths Sep 08 21:44:02 ahh ok cs Sep 08 21:44:12 thanks Sep 08 21:47:13 SpeedEvil: how's your head? Sep 08 21:49:15 Fine at the moment. Sep 08 21:49:19 No lasting damage. Sep 08 21:49:26 good :-) Sep 08 21:52:54 SpeedEvil: on #om-cdevel lindi and gena2x are discussing power consumption issues, might be a topic for you Sep 08 21:53:24 I don't have my OM device up anymore. Sep 08 21:54:37 it's more about hw/boottime level Sep 08 21:54:50 yeah Sep 08 22:19:46 I'm trying to synchronize PIM data between my n900 and funambol and memotoo, but no luck. I get an error: "Synchronization failed", but no explanations. Any ideas? Sep 08 22:19:51 I'm using syncEvolution. Sep 08 22:56:29 jo-erlend, it could be any one of things :S Sep 08 22:57:18 SpeedEvil, Sep 08 22:57:22 you thought from last night Sep 08 22:57:31 is essentially what invar does, but for 3 leds Sep 08 22:57:34 heh... I run it from the command line, and I got even more confusing results... All was a success, but then there was an error saying synchronization failed.. Sep 08 22:57:46 nice jo! Sep 08 22:58:00 the bugtracker for it isnt so easy to pin down either Sep 08 22:58:20 lcuk: yes - I was thinking it might or might not be easy to add. Sep 08 22:58:22 http://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?product=SyncEvolution Sep 08 22:58:35 jo-erlend, perhaps have a glance over there Sep 08 22:58:39 and see if anything jumps out Sep 08 22:59:11 SpeedEvil, you actually want to use it for rangefinding? Sep 08 22:59:45 lcuk: no. Prop n900 against something, pointing at wall. Run stud detector across wall, scribbling randomly Sep 08 22:59:58 noting on the image when the LED goes on Sep 08 23:00:14 ahh so you can visually map all the places it hit! Sep 08 23:00:16 you end up with a diagram of dots where the studs/wires are Sep 08 23:00:20 like a super timelapse Sep 08 23:00:23 wicked! Sep 08 23:00:24 exactly Sep 08 23:00:59 neat idea dude! that should be reasonably practical Sep 08 23:01:06 however I recall the Push N900 guys Sep 08 23:01:14 wanted to do a camera trail maker thing Sep 08 23:01:23 and they ended up with slight gaps Sep 08 23:01:29 based on aliasing and phasing and stuff Sep 08 23:01:54 how precise are you thinking, if it just shows you all the places it saw a green led (as you said configurable) Sep 08 23:02:49 hmm Sep 08 23:02:56 so taking one highres pic at start of it Sep 08 23:03:04 then using a video stream thereafter Sep 08 23:03:09 and using a filter on that Sep 08 23:03:13 should give you what you need.. Sep 08 23:05:30 I just mean approximately. Sep 08 23:05:38 Its good to get an overall view Sep 08 23:05:47 sure, i see what you are thinking Sep 08 23:05:48 You don't need a hugely precise answer. Sep 08 23:06:00 As you can check later for precise measurements. Sep 08 23:07:06 I was pondering my own cam app. Sep 08 23:07:16 Something trivial with no UI. Sep 08 23:07:43 the problem you would have is distance and resolution Sep 08 23:07:51 SpeedEvil, healthcheck Sep 08 23:07:53 Lock focal length at infinity, on headset press, take a pic, take a voice note while it is held down Sep 08 23:07:59 is pyqt and has camera image doofers Sep 08 23:08:08 hmm Sep 08 23:08:16 No screen even. Sep 08 23:08:22 For lower powrr Sep 08 23:08:50 the screen isnt important and your timeout should cope/can just click your dimmer Sep 08 23:09:01 I want to have the n900 ina a shirt pocket, and be able to take pics and notes by walking around and pointing art stuff Sep 08 23:09:01 but I tihnk having some ui to be able to stop it would be wise Sep 08 23:09:10 with gps Sep 08 23:09:12 * lcuk knows that usecase very well Sep 08 23:09:19 gps isnt good indoors Sep 08 23:09:26 no Sep 08 23:09:39 but gives general area usually Sep 08 23:09:49 so good enough to indicate client X or client Y Sep 08 23:09:51 * SpeedEvil waits for site to load. Sep 08 23:10:15 SpeedEvil, alternative Sep 08 23:10:22 just record a movie of you doing it Sep 08 23:10:26 using normal software Sep 08 23:10:34 then postprocess Sep 08 23:10:38 to get your overlay Sep 08 23:10:47 no delay, no faff Sep 08 23:10:51 http://openstreetview.org/?lat=56.214969375361&lon=-3.1100133060217&zoom=14 Sep 08 23:10:53 you know it records movies etc Sep 08 23:11:14 once you get to needing it, load up gstreamer using python and process the frames Sep 08 23:11:17 I want it to last at least 4h. Sep 08 23:11:20 * lcuk nods Sep 08 23:11:28 So video doesnt really work Sep 08 23:11:29 then use the normal sw? Sep 08 23:12:03 GPS is imprecise due to truncation at seconds of lat/lon, the delay sucks. Sep 08 23:12:05 make a data stream and save the live processing till you are back at office? Sep 08 23:12:24 SpeedEvil: is your goal to improve openstreetmap? Sep 08 23:12:40 yes Sep 08 23:12:45 lindi-, his original goal was to detect live wires :P Sep 08 23:12:49 no - sorry Sep 08 23:12:56 * lcuk senses feature creep :P Sep 08 23:12:59 this and that are completlely seperate projects Sep 08 23:13:06 I should have made that clear Sep 08 23:13:11 i know dude Sep 08 23:13:28 but the camera and recording ui is already optimised for quick on the go usage Sep 08 23:13:47 dim your screen, do your art, dump later Sep 08 23:14:02 Its really not. Sep 08 23:14:11 It has several issues. Sep 08 23:14:21 Can't listen to audio at the same time. Sep 08 23:14:21 SpeedEvil: I've done some experiments with video mapping from a car. http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/osm/video-recording/demo1.ogv -- it seems to be fairly useful but only if I could up the resolution a lot Sep 08 23:14:42 is there only one contact list on maemo? Sep 08 23:14:46 The focus time can be very long, when I know that infinity is quite fine. Sep 08 23:15:12 I want to be able to take a pic every couple of seconds at peak. Sep 08 23:15:29 And have shutter lag of well under 0.5s. Sep 08 23:15:48 The existing software basically complely fails for this. Sep 08 23:16:05 SpeedEvil, which purpose, the stud detector? Sep 08 23:16:14 no - OSM Sep 08 23:16:24 Argh Sep 08 23:16:36 Sorry - We're confusing each other again. Sep 08 23:16:37 i saw a great time lapse video taken with n900 tonight :) Sep 08 23:16:52 Yes - video recording and post would actually work for the stud thing. Sep 08 23:16:59 * lcuk doesnt know which software was used, but i think it was fcam lib based Sep 08 23:17:08 right, so we move past that easily Sep 08 23:17:41 I was trying the stock camera sw with that stream of 80 pics, and it was annoying in so many ways Sep 08 23:18:14 ok, so you want manual shutter control or for actual automatic timelapse creation? Sep 08 23:18:23 I am also contemplating doing naughty things with my I2C Sep 08 23:18:34 The above openstreetview link Sep 08 23:18:47 lindi-, i see a strange large video of your desktop? Sep 08 23:18:49 http://openstreetview.org/?lat=56.214969375361&lon=-3.1100133060217&zoom=14 Sep 08 23:18:57 While walking - taking pics Sep 08 23:19:06 for example - walk past a door - take pic of door Sep 08 23:19:16 without stopping Sep 08 23:19:27 I2C - compass Sep 08 23:19:40 i do that with normal cam all the time, we go places and take photos of everything Sep 08 23:19:50 me and tracy are shutterbugs Sep 08 23:20:16 we took ~300 pictures around mini village in an afternoon :) Sep 08 23:20:30 lcuk: maybe you lack the audio :) Sep 08 23:20:47 lindi-, since I am on vnc, i lack color resolution and speed also Sep 08 23:21:11 lcuk: :) Sep 08 23:21:19 SpeedEvil, closing and opening the camera takes longer Sep 08 23:21:26 but I just flick the screenlock Sep 08 23:21:31 leaving camera on Sep 08 23:21:31 Ideally I'd want it so I don't actually have to stop. I want to be able to walk past a door every 5m, and take pics of every door, withot stopping. Sep 08 23:22:01 And without holding the phone all the time. Sep 08 23:22:28 then look into the timelapse stuff Sep 08 23:22:38 Anyway - the lack of music with shutter open is enogh of a ultimate killer that the stock is out. Sep 08 23:22:39 and a headband Sep 08 23:22:47 I was thinking pocket. Sep 08 23:22:53 shirtpocket Sep 08 23:23:03 nipple pix ftw Sep 08 23:23:41 :) Sep 08 23:23:43 SpeedEvil: would a car actually be easier here? Sep 08 23:23:54 lindi-: It depends. Sep 08 23:24:02 lindi-: A) My car is currently broken. Sep 08 23:24:06 :) Sep 08 23:24:07 i dont think a car would fit in his shirt pocket Sep 08 23:24:26 B) you need quite significant cameras to be able to read doornumbers from a car which may be 20m away Sep 08 23:24:35 A moving car Sep 08 23:24:45 I do have a design for this - but no funding. Sep 08 23:25:37 wow i didnt think they used OCR to get street numbers Sep 08 23:25:42 more looking in the land registry Sep 08 23:25:53 ? Sep 08 23:25:54 from on the go vehicles Sep 08 23:26:07 openstreetview != streetview Sep 08 23:26:19 One is google, the other is randoms with cameras. Sep 08 23:26:21 no, but what you just described Sep 08 23:26:59 I would be quite astonished if google has not used OCR and related tech on their streetview imagery to generate maps. Sep 08 23:27:27 Also - in the UK - there are copyright issues with the land registry. Sep 08 23:27:30 Or at least there werre. Sep 08 23:28:15 I mean - the land registry database is derived from ordnance survey. Sep 08 23:29:39 * lcuk heads to bed anyway Sep 08 23:29:44 night Sep 08 23:29:48 SpeedEvil, cool project ideas \o Sep 08 23:29:52 sigh, how do I display an image with pyQt? Sep 08 23:29:57 night lcuk Sep 08 23:30:18 MohammadAG, see healthcheck Sep 08 23:30:26 gnite Sep 08 23:30:32 healthcheck doesn't display photos... Sep 08 23:30:35 or images Sep 08 23:30:40 night Sep 08 23:34:27 hmm, it does Sep 08 23:47:08 hello Sep 08 23:50:00 Does anyone what is the wifi manager? I mean what is the command to restart it? Sep 08 23:50:01 MohammadAG, http://codepad.org/iSbIGgrK might help you? Sep 08 23:50:29 (my first qt+python app! :)) Sep 08 23:50:58 zokier, first app here, healthcheck's code helped :) Sep 09 00:50:13 I'm off to zzland Sep 09 00:50:25 * MNZ passes out Sep 09 01:06:05 * peb_ is gone. Gone since Tue Sep 7 15:18:00 2010 Sep 09 01:27:28 can control panel plugins be directly launched with a command? Sep 09 01:27:50 no Sep 09 01:28:02 they are libraries loaded by the control panel app Sep 09 01:28:11 As I understand it. Sep 09 01:28:23 i know that, just wondering if control panel has a parameter to launch them Sep 09 01:29:14 I would wonder about dbus Sep 09 01:29:20 I doubt it though Sep 09 01:39:58 hmm, is there a way to keep cat-ing a file till the value in it changes? Sep 09 01:40:37 probalby not waht you're looking for, but watch? Sep 09 01:41:07 watch just runs whatever command over and over every x seconds Sep 09 01:41:25 watch wouldnt abort Sep 09 01:42:53 you could use while 1 in a script and test the file each iteration Sep 09 01:45:16 V=`cat filename` while [ 1 ]; do [ "$V" -ne "`cat filename`" ] && exit done Sep 09 01:45:33 something like that Sep 09 01:56:36 MohammadAG: do you mean till the file changes? Sep 09 01:56:46 yes Sep 09 01:56:56 MohammadAG: find will do that perhaps - if newer than Sep 09 01:56:58 gnu find Sep 09 01:57:17 I need to monitor a proc entry Sep 09 01:57:21 ah Sep 09 01:57:27 those aren't real files Sep 09 01:57:27 when it changes I want to send a dbus command Sep 09 01:57:29 all in sh Sep 09 01:57:38 true, but they can be cat'd ;) Sep 09 01:57:41 They don't change unless you read htem Sep 09 01:58:05 So while, read, ... Sep 09 01:58:42 isn't there something like while `cat /proc/node` = "somevalue"; loop; else echo etc... Sep 09 01:58:45 if you get what I mean Sep 09 01:59:10 V=`cat filename` while [ 1 ]; do [ "$V" -ne "`cat filename`" ] && exit done Sep 09 02:00:11 V=`cat filename` while [ "$V" -ne "`cat filename`" ]; do sleep 1 done **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 09 02:59:57 2010