**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 09 02:59:58 2010
Sep 09 04:36:36 <ebzzry> Does a website exists that lists available packages, for say extras-testing?
Sep 09 04:59:04 <budfive> anybody know how to submit patches to hildon? There's a gitorious web interface but I can't find a mailing list of bugzilla or anything of that nature
Sep 09 05:06:46 <air> https://bugs.maemo.org
Sep 09 05:10:57 <air> ebzzry: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/
Sep 09 05:18:21 <budfive> air: hildon maintainers read the main maemo bugzilla?
Sep 09 05:20:13 <slonopotamus> budfive: there are hildon maintainers?
Sep 09 05:21:48 <budfive> slonopotamus: somebody pushes to the repo...
Sep 09 05:23:27 <slonopotamus> budfive: http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/commit/624231109e727e7b4c21c9f1a526ff191c309e5a
Sep 09 05:24:22 <budfive> slonopotamus: ok.... somebody still has commit access
Sep 09 05:24:46 <budfive> slonopotamus: I don't have rights to just push into the repo. Are you saying that nobody at all does this anymore?
Sep 09 05:25:28 <slonopotamus> budfive: those few pushes that happened after that commit were from same person
Sep 09 05:25:49 <slonopotamus> budfive: i guess all people who had commit access still have it
Sep 09 05:26:16 <slonopotamus> "few" = 3
Sep 09 05:27:33 <budfive> slonopotamus: ok. I'll send my patch to the maemo bugzilla, and if somebody picks it up, great. Don't have time to take over maintenance myself, sadly
Sep 09 05:41:25 <ebzzry> air: thanks
Sep 09 05:41:39 <adalal> hey, i was wondering if there is a way to sync the n900 over bluetooth to evolution..
Sep 09 05:43:16 <MiXu-> adalal: I prefer Syncml over HTTP over any type of local sync.
Sep 09 05:43:25 <MiXu-> Makes things much easier
Sep 09 05:43:41 <adalal> MiXu-: right, but that involves getting a 3rd party?
Sep 09 05:44:15 <MiXu-> adalal: Not unless you run the server yourself
Sep 09 05:44:25 <MiXu-> Funambol server is pretty easy to setup for example
Sep 09 05:45:27 <adalal> cool..
Sep 09 05:47:35 <adalal> MiXu-: all good, but won't that mean that I'll have to create a ad-hoc network if i need to sync w/o any wireless stations present?
Sep 09 05:48:40 <MiXu-> It's up to you how you want to do it as long as 1) The server is accessible from public internet and 2) the clients can access the internet
Sep 09 05:55:35 <adalal> MiXu-: im sure it can be done over local network right?
Sep 09 05:56:28 <MiXu-> adalal: Sure can, but then you're tied to that network for sync. And where's the fun in that :)
Sep 09 05:56:42 <adalal> MiXu-: i wanna be able to sync on the go
Sep 09 05:56:44 <adalal> on my laptop
Sep 09 05:56:45 <adalal> :P
Sep 09 05:56:53 <adalal> i dont have a desktop to bank on with me
Sep 09 06:13:27 <jpinx-eeepc> when I ssh into the n900 and sshfs the filesystem to a local box (my eeepc) and create a file in the micro SD card it still comes up as being owned byt the sysem user 29999 and I can not work the file over sshfs. How do I get around this?
Sep 09 06:15:51 <jpinx-eeepc> I even created a new user in the n900 and tried to use that for working over sshfs, but everything seems to revert to being owned by 29999
Sep 09 06:16:25 <spinningcompass> jpinx-eeepc: Is the micro SD card in the N900?
Sep 09 06:16:34 <jpinx-eeepc> yep
Sep 09 06:16:48 <ieatlint> there's likely -o mount option to override the uid
Sep 09 06:16:55 <spinningcompass> ieatlint: Yes.
Sep 09 06:17:04 <jpinx-eeepc> -o allow_others you think?
Sep 09 06:17:12 <spinningcompass> ieatlint: -o gid=... uid=... I think.
Sep 09 06:17:32 <jpinx-eeepc> ok - thanks guys - back to man sshfs ;)
Sep 09 06:18:16 <ieatlint> yeah, that looks right, although there is apparently a more advanced feature for it.. "-o idmap"
Sep 09 06:18:46 <ieatlint> "-o idmap=user" seems right
Sep 09 06:19:09 <Coke> Hi. Can I remove the default email client?
Sep 09 06:19:18 <ieatlint> sets the uid to that of the authenticated ssh user... basicall -o uid, but autodetecting hte right uid
Sep 09 06:19:23 <jpinx-eeepc> cool - thanks - let me disentangle the mess I am in first ;)
Sep 09 06:19:43 <jpinx-eeepc> too many logins...
Sep 09 06:20:11 <Coke> Or at least remove the link from the apps page?
Sep 09 06:25:48 <Coke> What email program is recommended
Sep 09 06:25:59 <Coke> Just installed claws and I cant use it with my fingers, the UI is too tiny
Sep 09 06:26:08 <merlin1991> to remove the link from the apps page just rename/remove the .desktop file
Sep 09 06:26:43 <Coke> where are the desktop files?
Sep 09 06:27:21 <Coke> In any case, there's no point in removing that email cient if I cannot find a replacement.
Sep 09 06:28:14 <Coke> claws isn't really ported for a touch screen so I gotta try and find something else.
Sep 09 06:29:19 <Coke> no kinetic scrolling and must use pen will make it very cumbersome to work in claws.
Sep 09 06:29:45 <daniel32708> Guys, anyone knows a link to installing android on the n810 to run as a maemo app?    The ones I have found date back to 2008...a crappy android...  any help would be greatly appreciated!
Sep 09 06:31:46 <Coke> Ok, I've tried both Claws and QMF, both lack proper finger-adapted controls for quick and easy use. I cannot find any other email applications by searching for "mail" in the application manager, any suggestions?
Sep 09 06:33:22 <CreamyG> what's wrong with the default one?
Sep 09 06:33:33 <Coke> It can't handle attachments properly
Sep 09 06:33:48 <raster> yay! can't!
Sep 09 06:34:48 <Coke> Or some anyway.
Sep 09 06:34:55 <Coke> But it's bad enough that some can't be handled.
Sep 09 06:35:11 <CreamyG> can't you save them?
Sep 09 06:35:15 <Coke> no
Sep 09 06:35:21 <Coke> there's no menu option
Sep 09 06:35:36 <Coke> Got a support issue on it yesterday
Sep 09 06:35:43 <CreamyG> that's dumb
Sep 09 06:36:21 <Coke> Yeah I know.
Sep 09 06:36:40 <Coke> It's marked as "has attachment", but the menu item isnt there
Sep 09 06:41:12 * DocScrutinizer moos at raster
Sep 09 06:41:27 <Coke> Ok, so what mail client to use then?
Sep 09 06:41:37 <Coke> Is there any finger friendly replacement that can save attachments, always?
Sep 09 06:42:13 <DocScrutinizer> no
Sep 09 06:42:25 <CreamyG> yeah i dunno man, i used to use claws on an n800, now i use the default
Sep 09 06:42:29 <DocScrutinizer> webmailer
Sep 09 06:42:31 <raster> DocScrutinizer:  DOC!!!!!!
Sep 09 06:42:33 <CreamyG> its slow but i never had problems
Sep 09 06:42:38 <raster> DocScrutinizer: wossap?
Sep 09 06:42:48 <DocScrutinizer> winter
Sep 09 06:42:54 <raster> winter?
Sep 09 06:42:59 <raster> a bit early fro that
Sep 09 06:43:09 <DocScrutinizer> yeah :-/
Sep 09 06:43:10 <air> claws is finger friendly, if you have small fingers :)
Sep 09 06:43:30 <Coke> Hmm.
Sep 09 06:43:36 <DocScrutinizer> I had warmer xmas
Sep 09 06:44:19 <raster> sudden weather change over in de?
Sep 09 06:44:41 <DocScrutinizer> not so sudden, seems since a month or so now
Sep 09 06:45:18 <raster> really?
Sep 09 06:45:20 <raster> weird
Sep 09 06:45:24 <raster> been warm and stuff here
Sep 09 06:45:37 <DocScrutinizer> Juli was hot like hell, Aug is more winter than summer
Sep 09 06:46:41 <jpinx-eeepc> hot here :)
Sep 09 06:49:42 <raster> i'd rather freeze than sweat :)
Sep 09 06:49:54 <raster> freezi ng can be solved with some vigorous activity
Sep 09 06:49:55 <raster> :)
Sep 09 06:56:22 <DocScrutinizer> raster: is there also a R's parcel service next to bank of R?
Sep 09 06:57:36 <DocScrutinizer> raster: DHL is too daft to get a package from HEL to Moscow
Sep 09 06:58:28 <Coke> I dont understand why it can detect the attachment, but won't add any menu to save it.
Sep 09 06:58:55 <DocScrutinizer> Coke: maybe this is related to the code?
Sep 09 06:59:10 <Coke> What code?
Sep 09 06:59:19 <DocScrutinizer> the program code
Sep 09 06:59:41 <Coke> Yes, ofcourse it is.
Sep 09 06:59:42 <Coke> It's a bug. :)
Sep 09 07:00:05 <DocScrutinizer> yes, that's what it's usually called :-P
Sep 09 07:00:24 <Coke> I'm just amazed to find it
Sep 09 07:01:39 <Coke> It's 2010, rfc 822 and 2045 have been around for quite a while
Sep 09 07:01:48 <DocScrutinizer> iirc it's been lingering around since 1.0 alias "I noticed some attachment bug in Dec 2009"
Sep 09 07:02:24 <CreamyG> opening attachments is probably patented by apple or microsoft or something
Sep 09 07:02:36 <Coke> Well, it makes the entire client unusable for me since it's important that I can save upload the attachments
Sep 09 07:02:48 <Coke> CreamyG: no, these things have been standard for ages
Sep 09 07:03:03 <DocScrutinizer> It just hit me for mails sent by iPhone
Sep 09 07:03:05 <mece> I get all warm and cuddly when I read about meego for n900 progress.
Sep 09 07:03:18 * mece hugs Stskeeps
Sep 09 07:03:32 <Coke> DocScrutinizer: same problem?
Sep 09 07:03:42 <CreamyG> that doesn't mean it's not patented lol. i'm kidding but seriously lots of email stuff is patented
Sep 09 07:03:57 <Coke> rfc 822 and mime is not patented
Sep 09 07:04:03 <Coke> It's been around since 1982
Sep 09 07:04:16 <DocScrutinizer> A friend sent me some dunnowhat from his iPhone, and the mail's attachment wasn't accessible
Sep 09 07:04:32 <CreamyG> yeah but all they do is reword it to "method for" xxxxx "on a portable device" and they get a patent
Sep 09 07:05:15 <DocScrutinizer> lemme see if I can spot the mail
Sep 09 07:05:22 <CreamyG> nokia won't display the new emails on our email widget due to "legal issues" for example
Sep 09 07:05:44 <CreamyG> i bet their lawyers are afraid of something
Sep 09 07:08:20 <DocScrutinizer> CreamyG: wut?
Sep 09 07:08:30 <Coke> Could you find the actual bug report?
Sep 09 07:08:34 <Coke> I'm not sure what to search on
Sep 09 07:09:26 <CreamyG> uhh sure, its kinda funny. i get emails  from it every few weeks.
Sep 09 07:09:44 <Coke> like "email attachment broken" ?
Sep 09 07:10:50 <CreamyG> no its for the widget that is useless that they don't want to fix due to "legal issues"
Sep 09 07:10:56 <CreamyG> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10294
Sep 09 07:10:57 <povbot> Bug 10294: Email desktop widget does not display mails from Nokia Messaging accounts
Sep 09 07:12:57 <Coke> CreamyG: no thats not it at all
Sep 09 07:13:01 <Coke> not even close
Sep 09 07:13:16 <CreamyG> well i never said it was
Sep 09 07:13:50 <Coke> Sorry, thought you were responding there
Sep 09 07:15:39 <Coke> public standards since 1982, they cant make it happen
Sep 09 07:17:02 <CreamyG> well, i would file a new bug report
Sep 09 07:17:52 <CreamyG> they might actually fix it
Sep 09 07:19:19 <Coke> Haha!
Sep 09 07:19:35 <Coke> Well, looks like I cannot receive any attachments from any Apple product.
Sep 09 07:19:58 <Coke> So, who isn't complying with standards, Apple or Nokia?
Sep 09 07:20:32 <CreamyG> it's probably the government, reading all the emails and assembling them back together wrong
Sep 09 07:20:37 <DocScrutinizer> ok, multipart-related:[HTML-document; JPEG] doesn't show the jpeg picture "embedded" into the html code
Sep 09 07:21:47 <DocScrutinizer> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
Sep 09 07:21:49 <DocScrutinizer>    boundary=Apple-Mail-1-245749344
Sep 09 07:21:50 <DocScrutinizer>  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sep 09 07:21:52 <DocScrutinizer>  X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (7D11)
Sep 09 07:21:53 <DocScrutinizer>  Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 7D11)
Sep 09 07:22:26 <Coke> DocScrutinizer: actually
Sep 09 07:22:29 <DocScrutinizer> sending a photo per mail was/is failing at least up to PR1.1.1
Sep 09 07:22:30 <Coke> I had another mail from a mac with PNG's
Sep 09 07:22:37 <Coke> it would show the PNG's but I couldnt save them as attachmetns
Sep 09 07:24:05 <Coke> I think the Maemo mail client is just buggy as a mofo
Sep 09 07:24:08 <DocScrutinizer> --Apple-Mail-1-245749344
Sep 09 07:24:09 <DocScrutinizer> Content-Type: text/plain;
Sep 09 07:24:11 <DocScrutinizer> 	charset=us-ascii;
Sep 09 07:24:12 <DocScrutinizer> 	format=flowed
Sep 09 07:24:14 <DocScrutinizer> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sep 09 07:24:21 <Coke> Since it worked fine in the other clietns.
Sep 09 07:24:25 <DocScrutinizer> --Apple-Mail-1-245749344
Sep 09 07:24:26 <DocScrutinizer> Content-Type: multipart/related;
Sep 09 07:24:28 <DocScrutinizer> 	boundary=Apple-Mail-2-245749359;
Sep 09 07:24:29 <DocScrutinizer> 	type="text/html"
Sep 09 07:24:31 <DocScrutinizer> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sep 09 07:24:37 <DocScrutinizer> ...
Sep 09 07:24:41 <DocScrutinizer> --Apple-Mail-2-245749359
Sep 09 07:24:42 <DocScrutinizer> Content-Type: text/html;
Sep 09 07:24:44 <DocScrutinizer> 	charset=utf-8
Sep 09 07:24:45 <DocScrutinizer> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sep 09 07:25:18 <DocScrutinizer> ...
Sep 09 07:25:22 <DocScrutinizer> --Apple-Mail-2-245749359
Sep 09 07:25:23 <DocScrutinizer> Content-Disposition: inline;
Sep 09 07:25:25 <DocScrutinizer> 	filename=Foto.jpg
Sep 09 07:25:26 <DocScrutinizer> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Sep 09 07:25:28 <DocScrutinizer> Content-Type: image/jpeg;
Sep 09 07:25:29 <DocScrutinizer> 	name=Foto.jpg
Sep 09 07:25:31 <DocScrutinizer> FAIL
Sep 09 07:26:45 <air> http://sse2.net/rotate/ -- is that the most current way to enable rotation?
Sep 09 07:29:51 <DocScrutinizer> No, N900 has even more current ways :-/  Could you ask better questions please?
Sep 09 07:30:44 <air> doesnt n900 come with rotation? :)
Sep 09 07:33:20 <DocScrutinizer> no
Sep 09 07:34:06 <DocScrutinizer> I'm absolutely sure this Q wasn't better than the prev one
Sep 09 07:38:56 <hrw|gone> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq3CuMDXaPs
Sep 09 07:39:00 <hrw> moirning
Sep 09 07:47:28 <sobczyk> hi is there any software to track distance to inputted gps coordinate?
Sep 09 07:47:37 <sobczyk> but without any maps
Sep 09 07:48:26 <sobczyk> input a coordinate (or a set) and the phone to track how far (and direction if possible) is the first destination point
Sep 09 07:52:20 <flux> has anyone compiled Darcs for n900?
Sep 09 07:54:27 <DocScrutinizer> afaik Ovi Maps is doing that, though with maps
Sep 09 07:55:05 <sobczyk> i know software that does it with maps
Sep 09 07:55:26 <sobczyk> I just want the maps part stripped, since I have no connectivity
Sep 09 07:55:54 <DocScrutinizer> I thought no connectivity would strip the maps part automatically ;-D
Sep 09 07:56:21 <sobczyk> yes, but the software often complains to connect
Sep 09 07:56:51 <dr34m> morn
Sep 09 07:56:54 <DocScrutinizer> also probably it's impossible to define POS/waypoints by lat/lon
Sep 09 07:58:33 <DocScrutinizer> anyway for all the maps apps there's some method or another to dl all map tiles and use local cache only, so no need for connectivity then
Sep 09 08:08:05 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Sep 09 08:08:46 <lcuk> Morning Jaffa, rest of rabble \o
Sep 09 08:09:15 <[DarkGUNMAN-Ext]> morning...
Sep 09 08:09:37 <[DarkGUNMAN-Ext]> i prefer afternoon.. more sleep needed
Sep 09 08:10:11 <DocScrutinizer51> moo lcuk
Sep 09 08:10:32 <DocScrutinizer51> moo Jaffa
Sep 09 08:15:31 <lcuk> ok Maemo, we have a problem.  can someone please confirm that Maemo can multitask better than a piffly Nokia E5 :P
Sep 09 08:15:33 <lcuk> http://mobilegeekinc.mobstac.com/2010/09/04/nokia-e5-breaks-world-multitasking-record/
Sep 09 08:15:50 <Jaffa> "World multitasking record"?
Sep 09 08:15:57 <lcuk> thats what I thought
Sep 09 08:16:19 <lcuk> only 74 apps
Sep 09 08:16:38 <lcuk> I bet we can beat that with different app instances easily
Sep 09 08:16:55 <dani_zai> hi there ...i hv some stupid Qs to ask about my N900....if anyone wants to help ...pls PM me THX!!
Sep 09 08:18:02 <merlin1991> hm was it ~question or ~ask?
Sep 09 08:18:40 <valdyn> dani_zai: just ask here, dont limit your audience
Sep 09 08:19:12 <dani_zai> i got my N900 yesterday ...and just now i was searching for apps
Sep 09 08:19:26 <dani_zai> and then i downloaded them to my PC
Sep 09 08:19:38 <dani_zai> but i donno how to install them to my phone
Sep 09 08:19:49 <dani_zai> i cant open the file
Sep 09 08:19:59 <merlin1991> is it a .deb?
Sep 09 08:20:03 <valdyn> dani_zai: delete the files on your pc, use the n900 app manager or ovi fromt he n900
Sep 09 08:20:44 <dani_zai> ic...i thought i can install them from the PC
Sep 09 08:20:47 <dani_zai> stupid me =.=
Sep 09 08:20:58 <valdyn> dani_zai: you *can* but its harder than what I just recommended
Sep 09 08:21:35 <dani_zai> ok ...thx for the help!!!
Sep 09 08:21:39 <dani_zai> ^_^V
Sep 09 08:21:47 <merlin1991> not that hard if it's .deb files, copy them over in mass storage mode, unplug phone, and open in file manager
Sep 09 08:22:26 <DocScrutinizer51> merlin1991: both
Sep 09 08:22:27 <dani_zai> ok
Sep 09 08:22:41 <valdyn> and fix dependencies if needed and fix repositories if its needed and..
Sep 09 08:22:43 <DocScrutinizer51> ~question
Sep 09 08:22:44 <infobot> from memory, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Sep 09 08:22:51 <DocScrutinizer51> ~ask
Sep 09 08:22:51 <infobot> Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.
Sep 09 08:23:00 <Jaffa> dneary: Thanks for picking up my point about community work duplication in a much more eloquent way (I tend not to quote Benedictus de Spinosza ;-))
Sep 09 08:23:16 <dneary> Jaffa, I had to look up who said it :)
Sep 09 08:23:35 <dneary> It was supposed to be Spinoza, did I spell it wrong?
Sep 09 08:23:59 <Jaffa> dneary: You had an extra S. I wonder if anyone will complain ;-)
Sep 09 08:24:11 <dneary> Jaffa, It doesn't shock
Sep 09 08:24:23 <dneary> so perhaps not
Sep 09 08:24:36 <dneary> And who knows, maybe it's a valid alternative spelling :)
Sep 09 08:24:41 <DocScrutinizer51> lcuk: what? fire up 100+ apps then screenshot top or what's all that about?
Sep 09 08:24:48 <jo-erlend> does anybody know of a widget that shows if computers are up or down based on ping? That would be nice, I think.
Sep 09 08:25:00 <dneary> Jaffa, It's always the same, though - professional organisers don't like to leave wires hanging
Sep 09 08:25:27 <dneary> You don't feel comfortable when you say "I need someone to make sure that X happens, I'm not going to do it - let me know"
Sep 09 08:26:12 <dneary> (at the core is a basic belief that you can't trust the community to just make things happen, and this belief is often proved correct)
Sep 09 08:26:54 <dneary> However, if you do it right, great things can happen
Sep 09 08:34:23 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: I'd happily do a `for (( i=0; i<100; i++ )); do someshittyapp&; done` and screenshot the htop header, but honestly - I don't see any way to answer that nonsense on http://mobilegeekinc.mobstac.com/2010/09/04/nokia-e5-breaks-world-multitasking-record/
Sep 09 08:34:49 <jpinx-eeepc> I just loaded lots of .mp3s into a folder I made in MyDocs, but how do I get the media player to play them?
Sep 09 08:35:18 <kerio> jpinx-eeepc: wait for tracker to get off his lazy ass and index them
Sep 09 08:35:36 <jpinx-eeepc> :)
Sep 09 08:35:43 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: hell, I'm even willing to `/etc/init.d/dbus-scripting start` XD - and snapshot htop showing 900+ processes
Sep 09 08:35:50 <kerio> while he's doing that, expect the cpu to become fully used and your n900 to be unresponsive
Sep 09 08:35:56 <BCMM> jpinx-eeepc: if you're in a hurry, you can open them from the file manager
Sep 09 08:36:20 <kerio> DocScrutinizer: lol
Sep 09 08:36:28 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, impossible.
Sep 09 08:36:32 <jpinx-eeepc> nah - not desperaate - I'll leave it overnight to index, etc
Sep 09 08:36:33 <kerio> not sure how they define "applications"
Sep 09 08:36:42 <lcuk> we just have to face it, the E5 is better at multitasking than the N900
Sep 09 08:36:47 <DocScrutinizer> ninehundered! Mobilegeekinc take THAT!
Sep 09 08:36:56 <kerio> lcuk: .<
Sep 09 08:36:57 <kerio> er
Sep 09 08:36:59 <kerio> :<
Sep 09 08:38:02 <DocScrutinizer> E5, eat it!
Sep 09 08:40:28 <DocScrutinizer> jpinx-eeepc: install load applet!! watch CPU usage. When tracker finished and CPU going down from 100% to a reasonable low number, probably tracker has finished his friggin indexing and mediaplayer is ready to show/play your media
Sep 09 08:41:12 <DocScrutinizer> maemo6 MUST have load applet by default!
Sep 09 08:41:14 <DocScrutinizer> ~2119
Sep 09 08:41:15 <infobot> The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED",  "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.
Sep 09 08:41:59 <jpinx-eeepc> DocScrutinizer: ok thanks
Sep 09 08:42:08 <kerio> DocScrutinizer: or use tracker-status
Sep 09 08:42:18 <DocScrutinizer> burrrrp
Sep 09 08:43:23 <DocScrutinizer> all I use that matches *tracker* is `killall trackerd`
Sep 09 08:43:31 <kerio> lol
Sep 09 08:44:34 <DocScrutinizer> should try `apt-get remove tracker` eventually
Sep 09 08:44:50 <kerio> pretty sure the media player depends on it
Sep 09 08:45:06 <DocScrutinizer> bah, purge that crap as well XP
Sep 09 08:47:12 <kerio> i'd use canola but it's ugly
Sep 09 08:47:21 <kerio> and i'm not sure if it supports the bluetooth media keys
Sep 09 08:48:34 <lcuk> kerio, i believe canola said it thinks you are ugly too
Sep 09 08:48:37 <DocScrutinizer> btw my prev statement was a lie. A `history|grep track` shows "mcedit .config/tracker/tracker.cfg"
Sep 09 08:48:52 <kerio> lcuk: I AM BEAUTIFUL, NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY
Sep 09 08:48:58 <kerio> WORDS CAN'T BRING ME DOWN
Sep 09 08:49:19 <ieatlint> then you must be pretty autistic
Sep 09 08:49:50 <kerio> nah, words - especially loud words - can bring autistics down quickly
Sep 09 08:50:01 <ieatlint> autistic kids rock
Sep 09 08:50:22 <DocScrutinizer> hmmm
Sep 09 08:50:32 <kerio> sure, in their chair
Sep 09 08:50:44 <ieatlint> yeah, it's an awesome t-shirt
Sep 09 08:51:21 * DocScrutinizer starts rocking in his chair
Sep 09 08:51:31 <kerio> i'd start rocking but i'm laying down on the couch
Sep 09 08:54:05 <DocScrutinizer> *COUGH*  >>GNU bash, Version 4.0.33(1)-release (i586-suse-linux-gnu)<<  >>GNU bash, version 2.05b.0(1)-release (arm-unknown-linux-gnueabi)<<
Sep 09 08:55:09 <DocScrutinizer> looks like maemo-bash is a *TAD* out of date
Sep 09 08:55:38 <soltys> yeap, 3.2 is quite old ;)
Sep 09 08:56:08 <DocScrutinizer> 3.2?? 2.05b.0(1) !!! WTF!?
Sep 09 08:56:49 <DocScrutinizer> ~lart bash-maintainer
Sep 09 08:56:50 * infobot executes killall -TERM bash-maintainer
Sep 09 08:57:10 <soltys> hm 3.2 is in extras or sth like that iirc
Sep 09 08:57:21 <DocScrutinizer> killall bash-maintainer: error: no process to kill
Sep 09 08:58:20 <DocScrutinizer> err
Sep 09 08:58:23 <DocScrutinizer> killall: bash-maintainer: no process killed
Sep 09 08:58:44 <DocScrutinizer> more like:
Sep 09 08:58:54 <DocScrutinizer> ~seen bash-maintainer
Sep 09 08:58:57 <infobot> i haven't seen 'bash-maintainer', DocScrutinizer
Sep 09 08:59:31 <DocScrutinizer> that's more to the point
Sep 09 09:00:14 <DocScrutinizer> soltys: yeah, heard something like pkg-name: bash3
Sep 09 09:00:30 <DocScrutinizer> thought it's the *old* version X-P
Sep 09 09:01:55 <DocScrutinizer> bash2.05  GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Sep 09 09:02:12 <DocScrutinizer> to use diction of debian
Sep 09 09:02:19 <soltys> DocScrutinizer: bash3 3.2.33(2)-release (arm-unknown-linux-gnu) ..
Sep 09 09:02:32 <soltys> ;)
Sep 09 09:04:40 <DocScrutinizer> will apt-get install bash3  kick out that friggin ol bash2.05?
Sep 09 09:05:09 <merlin1991> searching for "GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!" on google gives several irclogpages from this channel as result :D
Sep 09 09:05:26 <alterego> check it's details, it should if the package name is the same "bash"
Sep 09 09:05:41 <DocScrutinizer> package name is bash3
Sep 09 09:06:06 <DocScrutinizer> though the executable should be bash
Sep 09 09:06:17 <DocScrutinizer> so conflict with bash pkg
Sep 09 09:07:37 <DocScrutinizer> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
Sep 09 09:07:38 <DocScrutinizer>   bash3: Conflicts: bash
Sep 09 09:07:40 <DocScrutinizer>   mp-fremantle-generic-pr: Depends: hildon-desktop (= 1:2.2.138-1+0m5) but 1:2.2.142-1 is to be installed
Sep 09 09:07:53 <DocScrutinizer> first OK, but WTF for #2?!
Sep 09 09:08:14 <johnx> apt-cache policy hildon-desktop
Sep 09 09:08:36 <DocScrutinizer> err policy?
Sep 09 09:08:47 <DocScrutinizer> (apt noob here)
Sep 09 09:09:05 <johnx> it should tell you about the candidates to install for that package
Sep 09 09:09:43 <DocScrutinizer> FSCK!!! I installed the HD with bugfix, from mohammad repo
Sep 09 09:09:46 <johnx> one candidate is the one already installed. another candidate may be available from some repo. apt-cache policy $pkg tells you which version of $pkg from which repo will be installed
Sep 09 09:09:55 <merlin1991> another apt-noob question, apt tells me there are 18 packets to upgrade, how do I let it list the names?
Sep 09 09:10:15 <johnx> merlin1991: apt-get upgrade should tell you ...
Sep 09 09:10:36 <merlin1991> and goes straight ahead doing the upgrades :/
Sep 09 09:10:43 <johnx> eep!
Sep 09 09:10:44 <DocScrutinizer> what's that been? --force-install?
Sep 09 09:10:51 <johnx> that's not right ...
Sep 09 09:11:18 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG51: PING
Sep 09 09:12:08 <DocScrutinizer> ~lart bash3-maintainer
Sep 09 09:12:09 * infobot beats bash3-maintainer into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy
Sep 09 09:12:20 <johnx> merlin1991: apt-get upgrade should always prompt unless you use apt-get upgrade -y or something ...
Sep 09 09:12:34 <merlin1991> I guess I'm unlucky :D
Sep 09 09:12:47 <merlin1991> also I still haven't figured out when apt-get install x promts me and when not
Sep 09 09:12:52 <_trine> can anyone tell what the differences if any exists between board revistion 2101, 2104 and 2204
Sep 09 09:13:06 <Khertan_> Morning everyone  !
Sep 09 09:13:33 * DocScrutinizer shouts swearwords at fsckdup packaging
Sep 09 09:14:15 <johnx> merlin1991: if you somehow hit enter twice when running apt-get upgrade, the second enter will accept the default answer which is yes. does it print the prompt at all on apt-get upgrade ? (Do you want to continue [Y/n]?)
Sep 09 09:14:32 <merlin1991> normally yes, but sometimes not
Sep 09 09:15:04 <johnx> uhm, as for when apt-get install prompts. I'm *pretty sure* it prompts when it has to change the state of packages besides the one you asked for to install the package you wanted
Sep 09 09:15:23 <johnx> ie, it has to get dependencies, or deal with a conflict
Sep 09 09:15:54 <merlin1991> what would be the best way, to get the size of the package without installing?
Sep 09 09:15:59 <djszapi> Will this Maemo 6 / Harmattan come with Qt UI solution instead of the 'old' Hildon / GTK ?
Sep 09 09:21:32 <johnx> merlin1991: well you can at least tell it -d for download only
Sep 09 09:21:45 <johnx> doesn't help if you're worried about using up your data plan though
Sep 09 09:21:51 <johnx> anyways, gotta get some sleep
Sep 09 09:21:57 <johnx> 2:18AM here O_o;
Sep 09 09:22:02 <merlin1991> :D
Sep 09 09:22:04 <merlin1991> night
Sep 09 09:29:16 <Milo-> anyone know how to access the sqlite database where n900 keeps its alarms? or calendar entries?
Sep 09 09:29:40 <merlin1991> afaik you can call sqlite in xterm
Sep 09 09:29:52 <merlin1991> s/te/te3/
Sep 09 09:29:52 <infobot> merlin1991 meant: afaik you can call sqlite3 in xterm
Sep 09 09:32:10 <Milo-> '.tables' shows nothing :/
Sep 09 09:33:16 <Milo-> I might need a file as well
Sep 09 09:34:57 <Milo-> well can't find the database I'm looking for
Sep 09 09:36:15 <Khertan_> I'm looking for a qt expert to help me : I got some problem with QStyledItemDelegate on a QListView. Specially the size hint. When my window rotate (on maemo) sizeHint isn't called again and the height isn't enought due to text wrap ... how can i force the resize to call sizeHint ? what is strange is that everything is well resized, text well wrapped but height for the row keep the same height than when i was using 800x480 windows
Sep 09 09:42:33 <Khertan_> Milo-: sqlite /home/user/.calendar/calendardb
Sep 09 09:42:46 <Milo-> Khertan_ bah, looked for .sqlite :)
Sep 09 09:42:58 <Khertan_> :)
Sep 09 09:52:05 <Milo-> assuming I can modify that by hand, will those new alarms still be triggered if the phone is off, or is there another system for that?
Sep 09 09:55:03 <DocScrutinizer> Milo-: check alarmed pkg
Sep 09 09:55:24 <Milo-> DocScrutinizer Will do.
Sep 09 09:55:49 <DocScrutinizer> Milo-: unrelated to calendar, but nice alarms
Sep 09 09:57:26 <DocScrutinizer> Milo-: calendar probably also using alarmd lib, like alarmed (with 'e') app does
Sep 09 10:03:46 <Milo-> probably alarm daemon
Sep 09 10:04:39 <Milo-> DocScrutinizer is it in extras, -testing or -devel?
Sep 09 10:06:42 <DocScrutinizer> dunno, sorry
Sep 09 10:07:37 <DocScrutinizer> Milo-: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46594
Sep 09 10:19:55 <Milo-> thanks
Sep 09 10:35:28 <Myrtti> *yawn*
Sep 09 10:35:42 <MNZ> good morning #maemo!
Sep 09 10:36:39 <merlin1991> morning
Sep 09 11:01:46 <MNZ> I've been flashing the kernel several times in a row, trying new code. Now whatever I do (even restoring the original kernel) the device boots, the loading dots appear, the charging led sequence starts, then black screen...
Sep 09 11:02:08 <MNZ> and it keeps charging
Sep 09 11:19:43 <DocScrutinizer> umm
Sep 09 11:20:28 <DocScrutinizer> time for a full combined fiasco flash?
Sep 09 11:20:37 <merlin1991> hm any way to enanble the fm transmitter when connected over usb?
Sep 09 11:20:52 <MNZ> :( but wwwhhhhyyy? I didn't DO anything....
Sep 09 11:21:21 <DocScrutinizer> merlin1991: check jacekowski's fm* pkg, it should enable this
Sep 09 11:21:25 <DocScrutinizer> afaik
Sep 09 11:21:35 <merlin1991> in devel or where?
Sep 09 11:21:38 <DocScrutinizer> MNZ: no idea, maybe the kernels did something
Sep 09 11:22:34 <DocScrutinizer> merlin1991: I don't know, someone else here should have better advise
Sep 09 11:22:42 <merlin1991> doh
Sep 09 11:23:07 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: ping
Sep 09 11:23:34 <jo-erlend> is there only one contact list in maemo? I'd like to have more than one and to choose which one to synchronize with my desktop.
Sep 09 11:24:00 <DocScrutinizer> N/A
Sep 09 11:24:51 <kerio> merlin1991: no packages
Sep 09 11:24:59 <kerio> jacekowski.org will have everything you need
Sep 09 11:25:07 <MNZ> meh full flash, it works. I just have no idea why. frig.
Sep 09 11:25:11 <jo-erlend> DocScrutinizer, was that to me?
Sep 09 11:25:20 <DocScrutinizer> yup
Sep 09 11:25:27 <jo-erlend> DocScrutinizer, elaborate please?
Sep 09 11:25:34 <DocScrutinizer> Not Available
Sep 09 11:25:45 <merlin1991> let's see if I break somehting :D
Sep 09 11:26:22 <DocScrutinizer> MNZ: :-D
Sep 09 11:26:50 <jo-erlend> oh. I wonder why. It uses a standard evolution-data-server, doesn't it?
Sep 09 11:27:15 <DocScrutinizer> MNZ: just a silly question: you removed batery, so occasional PMU (twl4030) lockups could reset?
Sep 09 11:27:36 <MNZ> DocScrutinizer, yes
Sep 09 11:30:23 <MNZ> DocScrutinizer, why?
Sep 09 11:30:58 <merlin1991> replaced the binary and now I get failed to change fmtx state :/
Sep 09 11:31:01 <DocScrutinizer51> thought it might cure the problem
Sep 09 11:31:45 * merlin1991 goes rebooting
Sep 09 11:32:07 <MNZ> oh well... I spent last night debugging my code.... stripped it apart... all for no reason :'(
Sep 09 11:32:11 <sobczyk> is there a is there a python wrapper for liblocation?
Sep 09 11:37:29 <merlin1991> the hacked binary didn't work :/
Sep 09 11:37:46 <merlin1991> using it disabled the fm transmitter completely
Sep 09 11:40:08 <merlin1991> I reverted back to the original
Sep 09 11:40:27 <lizardo> sobczyk: python-location
Sep 09 11:40:52 <lizardo> sobczyk: http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Using_Location_API
Sep 09 11:45:43 <kerio> merlin1991: you're lying
Sep 09 11:45:50 <merlin1991> kerio, no
Sep 09 11:45:54 <kerio> yes
Sep 09 11:46:10 <merlin1991> as soon as I used the hacked binary I got errors
Sep 09 11:46:20 <merlin1991> shall I ss them for you ? :P
Sep 09 11:48:12 <MNZ> hrmmm I blew it up again.... I have a feeling I'm generating fiasco images in a wrong way....... but it's the same script that I've always used
Sep 09 11:51:59 <MNZ> "fiasco-gen -o /home/mnzaki/devel/kernel/zImage.fiasco -g -k arch/arm/boot/zImage"  <--- is something wrong with this?
Sep 09 11:58:28 <MNZ> :@
Sep 09 11:59:18 <MNZ> did anyone know that if you have a fiasco image and use "fiasco-gen -o" over the same file it fscks up the system when you flash it?????????
Sep 09 12:02:19 <mikki-kun> g
Sep 09 12:02:57 <mikki-kun> sorry, my network kinda lagged badly :/
Sep 09 12:06:12 <DocScrutinizer> MNZ: uh? So it needs a nonexistent destination or what do you mean to say?
Sep 09 12:06:46 <DocScrutinizer> MNZ: (sorry, never used fiasco-gen)
Sep 09 12:07:11 <MNZ> DocScrutinizer, yes :@ :@ :@ I don't know what it tries to do when the file already exists, but it clears fsks the rootfs when I flash an image generated this way
Sep 09 12:07:33 <MNZ> s/clears/clearly/
Sep 09 12:07:33 <infobot> MNZ meant: DocScrutinizer, yes :@ :@ :@ I don't know what it tries to do when the file already exists, but it clearly fsks the rootfs when I flash an image generated this way
Sep 09 12:08:02 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, so at least you found the root cause of your problems :-D
Sep 09 12:08:27 <MNZ> I spent a friggin night debugging this. WTF
Sep 09 12:08:47 <DocScrutinizer> not nice
Sep 09 12:10:25 <DocScrutinizer> file a ticket against fiasco-gen; attach a hotfix: a shellscript called fiasco-gen to go to local/bin that rm's the image prior to calling original fiasco-gen
Sep 09 12:26:07 <tuliobaars> hey, man
Sep 09 13:10:54 <pigeon> what's the color depth on the n900 (for GLES if that matters)?
Sep 09 13:11:57 <oscillik> it's 3 colours deep
Sep 09 13:12:02 <oscillik> it's deeper than water
Sep 09 13:12:59 <merlin1991> :D
Sep 09 13:13:46 <pigeon> heh, 16bit per pixel is it?
Sep 09 13:13:51 <Wolfie> oscillik: i'm sorry, but you're awfully wrong. I've seen waters that is more than three colors
Sep 09 13:14:04 <Wolfie> is = has
Sep 09 13:14:22 <oscillik> you sir, are a charlatan and a deciever
Sep 09 13:14:31 <Wolfie> lies, again!
Sep 09 13:14:48 <Wolfie> oscillik is making up wild stories
Sep 09 13:15:42 <Wolfie> accusations, even
Sep 09 13:19:42 <kerio> ooh, that Nokia U is pretty sweet
Sep 09 13:20:04 <kerio> i wonder if people think before talking
Sep 09 13:20:23 <kerio> how can you add optical zoom but not a keyboard
Sep 09 13:37:57 <Khertan_> RAAHAHAHAHA HAHHA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH QT4 QPIXMAP DOESN'T SUPPORT GIF ON MAEMO !
Sep 09 13:39:57 <mortini> hah
Sep 09 13:40:05 <h4xordood> heyo :) folks how are you all here ?
Sep 09 13:54:02 <crashanddie> Khertan_: "But gif is proprietary!"
Sep 09 13:57:11 <mortini> so is qt :)
Sep 09 13:58:39 <SpeedEvil> QT is probably old enough that GIF was patented when it was being designed
Sep 09 13:58:45 <SpeedEvil> the patent rrran out in 2003?
Sep 09 14:02:22 <mortini> i thought it was before that, but, yeah.
Sep 09 14:04:20 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, ping
Sep 09 14:04:35 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: pong
Sep 09 14:05:01 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, I remember you told me the autobuilder doesn't have outside access right?
Sep 09 14:05:08 <MohammadAG> does it have access to *maemo.org?
Sep 09 14:06:15 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: To the repository machine.
Sep 09 14:06:33 <MohammadAG> so can I wget a source?
Sep 09 14:06:58 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: Technically yes, but that really is bad design.
Sep 09 14:07:22 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, it's better than include binaries in the source package I guess...
Sep 09 14:07:25 <X-Fade> mortini: You should always include everything you need in your source package.
Sep 09 14:07:27 <MohammadAG> including*
Sep 09 14:07:42 <X-Fade> Hmm tab-foo.
Sep 09 14:07:43 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, I won't include a whole kernel source in my package, for obvious reasons
Sep 09 14:08:01 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: What are you trying to do?
Sep 09 14:08:03 <MohammadAG> titan has kernel-power-source disabled from debian/rules
Sep 09 14:08:15 <MohammadAG> build modules against kernel sources
Sep 09 14:08:22 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: Get him to fix that then?
Sep 09 14:08:32 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: It is stupid to work around things like that.
Sep 09 14:08:45 <MohammadAG> I pm'd him yesterday, no reply yet and I need to release the app now
Sep 09 14:09:00 <X-Fade> Always a wasted effort and it really doesn't scale.
Sep 09 14:09:18 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: Patience grasshopper.
Sep 09 14:09:37 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, can't, I announced the release as yesterday and delayed it cause of this :)
Sep 09 14:09:58 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: Then you should have thought about it more before opening your mouth :)
Sep 09 14:10:01 <MohammadAG> also, ENDED 2010-08-10 10:09
Sep 09 14:10:09 <X-Fade> Clearly bad planning.
Sep 09 14:10:09 <MohammadAG> so he's pretty much disappeared
Sep 09 14:10:40 <mortini> X-Fade: eh?
Sep 09 14:10:41 <X-Fade> Well or he doesn't think it is stable enough. Or doesn't want it in Extras.
Sep 09 14:10:50 <X-Fade> mortini: Sorry tab completion..
Sep 09 14:10:58 <mortini> ah,ok
Sep 09 14:11:35 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, can the autobuilder fetch sources using apt-get source
Sep 09 14:12:33 <Jaffa> Yay, MWKN's Twitter feed is back
Sep 09 14:13:23 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Check out stats in download per repo.
Sep 09 14:13:27 <MohammadAG> LOL http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/09/apples-app-store-review-guidelines-we-dont-need-any-more-far/
Sep 09 14:13:33 <Jaffa> X-Fade: URL?
Sep 09 14:13:40 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Any app in downloads.
Sep 09 14:13:43 <MohammadAG> "We have over 250,000 apps in the App Store. We don't need any more Fart apps." lmfao
Sep 09 14:14:10 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: Yes it should.
Sep 09 14:15:42 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Hmm, something happened in August which meant more people got stuff from Extras-devel than Extras: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/catorise/#
Sep 09 14:15:48 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Blog post I can link to?
Sep 09 14:16:29 <X-Fade> Jaffa: In the airport atm :) Had some time to hack on it while waiting on the plane :)
Sep 09 14:16:36 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Cool :-)
Sep 09 14:17:08 <frals> oh cool, per repo stats!
Sep 09 14:17:08 <X-Fade> Jaffa: But the extras devel growth in downloads, I can't explain. It is not for every package in extras-devel.
Sep 09 14:17:22 * frals needs to update fmms_stats.py
Sep 09 14:17:33 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Some packages even got lower downloads. So it is not some form of heavy mirroring.
Sep 09 14:17:49 <Jaffa> frals: Willing to share for people to get extras_stats.py?
Sep 09 14:18:09 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Does seem common with vim, hermes & catorise FWIW
Sep 09 14:18:12 <frals> Jaffa: heh, sure, it really just adds the numbers together and prints a total ;)
Sep 09 14:18:24 <Jaffa> frals: Saves me having to do it :-p
Sep 09 14:18:49 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Yeah, can fapman be the cause?
Sep 09 14:19:04 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Does it prefer one repo over the other, the other way around?
Sep 09 14:19:12 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Does it enable -devel by default?
Sep 09 14:19:13 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, if that works then it's already solved, cd /usr/src && apt-get source kernel-power && cd cd kernel-power-2.6.28 && for x in `cat debian/patches/series | grep -v "#"`; do patch -p1 <debian/patches/$x; done && make -j $(NJOBS) EXTRAVERSION=.10power40 bzImage
Sep 09 14:19:20 <Jaffa> X-Fade: HAM will go for highest version
Sep 09 14:19:24 <MohammadAG> typo, double cds
Sep 09 14:19:33 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Yes, but if the versions are the same?
Sep 09 14:19:41 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Oh, interesting.
Sep 09 14:19:47 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Good question
Sep 09 14:20:28 <X-Fade> Jaffa: The jump amount is not the same for all apps at least. So it almost has to be some manual install thing.
Sep 09 14:20:35 <frals> Jaffa: ill link it on twitter once ive updated it for this new brilliant feature :-)
Sep 09 14:20:53 <X-Fade> Jaffa: But the jump starts at Aug 2.
Sep 09 14:21:10 <X-Fade> frals: d1,2,3 now.
Sep 09 14:21:54 <X-Fade> Ok, time to get some personal space. People are gathering here to board their plane.
Sep 09 14:22:13 <kerio> Khertan_: why would you use gif over png
Sep 09 14:22:14 <X-Fade> I guess I should board too :)
Sep 09 14:22:36 <seif> hey guys
Sep 09 14:22:36 <Noobmonk3y> \me waves
Sep 09 14:22:50 <seif> one of our devs is having a issue installing the maemo sdk
Sep 09 14:22:53 <seif> who can i ask
Sep 09 14:22:56 * Noobmonk3y waves even
Sep 09 14:23:09 <seif> when we run ./maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sh
Sep 09 14:23:11 <seif> we get
Sep 09 14:23:15 <Noobmonk3y> lol seif join the queueue! hehehe,
Sep 09 14:23:19 <seif> DISPLAY already set.
Sep 09 14:23:20 <seif> Installation environment already set.
Sep 09 14:23:20 <seif> Added debconf frontend setting in scratchbox.
Sep 09 14:23:20 <seif> Error opening terminal: xterm.
Sep 09 14:23:36 <Noobmonk3y> oooo not seen that error b4!
Sep 09 14:23:46 <Noobmonk3y> lcuk u alive?
Sep 09 14:24:49 <Noobmonk3y> thought i'd give you a giggle, just finished a 3hour presentation on open source benefits surround our website, and a new way forward, good news is i didnt get beaten out of the room!!!
Sep 09 14:24:56 <Noobmonk3y> bacon!
Sep 09 14:25:12 <kerio> Noobmonk3y: hold on
Sep 09 14:25:19 <Noobmonk3y> lol!
Sep 09 14:25:37 <Noobmonk3y> was aiming at the orther baconite, but afternoon to you too!!
Sep 09 14:25:52 <kerio> hmm... was BaconBacon banned while i wasn't looking?
Sep 09 14:25:57 <Noobmonk3y> lol
Sep 09 14:26:05 <kerio> it was :(
Sep 09 14:26:09 <Noobmonk3y> awwww pity
Sep 09 14:26:10 <kerio> DocScrutinizer: how could you
Sep 09 14:26:59 <Khertan_> kerio: because twitter profile image are in gif
Sep 09 14:27:05 <Khertan_> at least some
Sep 09 14:27:05 <frals> X-Fade: have a safe flight :)
Sep 09 14:27:12 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Big jump in fapman downloads on August 2nd: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/fapman/
Sep 09 14:27:27 <Khertan_> hopefully i should be able to convert it using PIL
Sep 09 14:27:46 <frals> Jaffa: didnt the n900 launch somewhere around end of july?
Sep 09 14:28:11 <Jaffa> frals: India, around then IIRC
Sep 09 14:28:51 <kerio> PIL is awesome
Sep 09 14:29:33 <Jaffa> frals: Went on sale June 9th, AFAICT. So probably not that
Sep 09 14:30:10 <seif> guys
Sep 09 14:30:12 <seif> -.-
Sep 09 14:30:48 * MohammadAG slaps Noobmonk3y 
Sep 09 14:31:48 <Noobmonk3y> lol
Sep 09 14:32:15 <frals> Jaffa: probably not :)
Sep 09 14:32:19 <frals> ello Noobmonk3y
Sep 09 14:32:24 <RST38h> moo all
Sep 09 14:32:25 * frals slaps a trout with Noobmonk3y 
Sep 09 14:32:28 <frals> o/ RST38h
Sep 09 14:32:45 <Noobmonk3y> hey hey!!!!
Sep 09 14:32:50 <Noobmonk3y> :)
Sep 09 14:33:16 <Noobmonk3y> u 2 both having a gd day?
Sep 09 14:34:06 <frals> had better but not bad!
Sep 09 14:34:08 <frals> hows u?
Sep 09 14:34:18 <Noobmonk3y> at work :( pooooooo
Sep 09 14:34:30 <Noobmonk3y> will be back on irc tonight though!!! yay!
Sep 09 14:34:41 <frals> im at work as well but im not complaining!
Sep 09 14:35:12 <Khertan_> gniééé qpixmap isn't able to load this jpeg too http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/480017982/twitterProfilePhoto_normal.jpg
Sep 09 14:35:44 <Noobmonk3y> lolcat, would rather your job... mine is pants atm
Sep 09 14:35:55 <Noobmonk3y> a move to finland also sounds fun!
Sep 09 14:36:02 <Jaffa> Khertan_: I found with Hermes that there are random Twitter images which are corrupted
Sep 09 14:37:23 <frals> Noobmonk3y: not that i mind living here, but i can imagine more fun places to move :D
Sep 09 14:37:59 <seif> MohammadAG, u therE?
Sep 09 14:38:05 <Jaffa> Khertan_: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7248 and see avatar for http://twitter.com/vegyraupe
Sep 09 14:38:05 <povbot> Bug 7248: aborts when Image.open is given non-image data
Sep 09 14:38:06 <Noobmonk3y> brighton or finland..... lol
Sep 09 14:39:02 <MohammadAG> seif, yeah?
Sep 09 14:39:16 <seif> MohammadAG, can u help me with instlaling the sdk
Sep 09 14:39:19 <seif> i have an issue here
Sep 09 14:39:28 <Khertan_> Jaffa: but they display well on chrome :)
Sep 09 14:39:46 <MohammadAG> sure
Sep 09 14:40:39 <seif> ./maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sh
Sep 09 14:40:41 <seif> i get
Sep 09 14:41:02 <seif> Press Enter to accept (Crtl+C to cancel).
Sep 09 14:41:02 <seif> DISPLAY already set.
Sep 09 14:41:02 <seif> Installation environment already set.
Sep 09 14:41:02 <seif> Added debconf frontend setting in scratchbox.
Sep 09 14:41:02 <seif> Error opening terminal: xterm.
Sep 09 14:43:10 <MNZ> Has anyone actually used flasher to load a kernel on the fly?
Sep 09 14:43:19 <MNZ> I mean load and boot a kernel without actually flashing it
Sep 09 14:44:17 <Termana> MNZ, yes
Sep 09 14:44:56 <MNZ> Termana, how? I've been trying and it doesn't seem to work. It gets to the five loading dots then black screen
Sep 09 14:45:05 <MNZ> that means kernel actually booted, but init failed
Sep 09 14:45:08 <Khertan_> MNZ: i ve tryed ... but didn't seems to work for me
Sep 09 14:45:48 <Termana> MNZ, are you sure you have the modules there for your kernel, and that the kernel is actually a working kernel?
Sep 09 14:46:01 <Termana> It definitely works, I done it when I loaded up MeeGo
Sep 09 14:46:48 <MNZ> I tried by just using the command as --help suggests, and when I googled I only found any mention of this on a meego wiki
Sep 09 14:47:05 <MNZ> I think there are some args I need to pass to the kernel maybe?
Sep 09 14:47:58 <Termana> MNZ, not as long as you have set the defaults right in the kernel config before compiling
Sep 09 14:53:40 <MohammadAG> seif, reinstall scratchbox
Sep 09 15:24:37 <toggles_w> any packaging gurus here? if so, do you know why some apps show icons in the appman the first time and others not?
Sep 09 15:24:37 <Khertan_> OUch ... reboot of my n900 without any warning
Sep 09 15:25:26 <kerio> Khertan_: loose battery?
Sep 09 15:25:44 <Khertan_> LOL
Sep 09 15:25:50 <Khertan_> nope ... i use mad developpers
Sep 09 15:25:59 <Khertan_> and use the window networking kernel module
Sep 09 15:26:05 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, how many builders are there?
Sep 09 15:26:16 <Khertan_> and launching Wireshark on my windows host make the n900 reboot
Sep 09 15:26:18 <Khertan_> funny
Sep 09 15:26:30 <MohammadAG> Khertan_, broadcasting reboot over ssh reboots my N900 too
Sep 09 15:26:44 <Khertan_> lol
Sep 09 15:27:03 <MohammadAG> i.e if I reboot my laptop with the reboot command and the N900 was connected via ssh, it reboots too
Sep 09 15:27:17 <kerio> wait, what
Sep 09 15:27:18 <kerio> how
Sep 09 15:27:24 <MohammadAG> idk
Sep 09 15:27:31 <MohammadAG> but it annoys me
Sep 09 15:29:05 <MNZ> MohammadAG, didn't you tell me you can boot a kernel using flasher before? have you done it before?
Sep 09 15:29:14 <MohammadAG> yeah
Sep 09 15:29:25 <MohammadAG> flasher-3.5 -k image.bin -l -b
Sep 09 15:29:32 <MohammadAG> you can specify kernel parameters
Sep 09 15:30:04 <MNZ> you plug in the usb and get nolo up first right?
Sep 09 15:30:17 <MohammadAG> yes, hold U and all that stuff
Sep 09 15:30:29 <MNZ> and image.bin can't be compressed? as in zImage?
Sep 09 15:30:42 <MohammadAG> it is a zImage :P
Sep 09 15:30:52 <MohammadAG> idk why i referred to it as image.bin
Sep 09 15:31:02 <MNZ> well I've tried everything, I get to the five dots stage and then black screen
Sep 09 15:31:04 <MNZ> of death
Sep 09 15:31:20 <MohammadAG> hmm, what kernel are you flashing?
Sep 09 15:31:33 <MNZ> right now just trying the stock kernel really
Sep 09 15:31:41 <MNZ> to eliminate any other problems
Sep 09 15:31:54 <MohammadAG> it should boot fine
Sep 09 15:32:02 <MohammadAG> framebuffer kernels otoh...
Sep 09 15:32:18 <MNZ> what's wrong with them? because I use one as well
Sep 09 15:32:54 <Khertan_> Hum ... this means that a right tcp packet can reboot the device
Sep 09 15:33:06 <Khertan_> so we can spam to force reboot :)
Sep 09 15:33:27 <MohammadAG> MNZ, they crash sometimes, flash them
Sep 09 15:33:43 <MohammadAG> after flashing, your device might reboot 3 times, but it will boot... eventually
Sep 09 15:34:18 <MohammadAG> MNZ, here's an image if you want one, it's stock but has framebuffer enabled, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/zImage-fb-omap1.bin
Sep 09 15:34:39 <MNZ> well I can't even get stock to boot yet :/
Sep 09 15:34:47 <MohammadAG> and here's a power40 image, same as power but with framebuffer, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/framebuffer/power-kernel%20variants/zImage-power40-framebuffer-kernel
Sep 09 15:35:07 <MohammadAG> MNZ, don't use -l -b with framebuffer kernels
Sep 09 15:35:16 <MohammadAG> they'll cause you headaches
Sep 09 15:35:19 <MohammadAG> just flash them
Sep 09 15:35:38 <Ljrn900> how to get maemo xchat to use readable colours???
Sep 09 15:35:41 <MNZ> k, but what I really need is to boot on the fly because I'm testing code and it would be a bit easier this way
Sep 09 15:39:45 <Ljrn900> fiq
Sep 09 15:41:19 <ShadowJK> Oh right, I installed xchat before the "Make it look like N900's theme" effort went in
Sep 09 15:42:55 <MohammadAG> ShadowJK, heh
Sep 09 15:43:52 <TimSim> Hi
Sep 09 15:44:47 <TimSim> Is there a way to change the call accept and decline buttons on the n900. I sometimes press a button when i take it out of my pocket.
Sep 09 15:46:25 <E0x> a slider will nice
Sep 09 15:46:48 <Ljrn900> ...
Sep 09 15:47:23 <MiXu-> Yeah. Slider would definitely be nice
Sep 09 15:47:36 <MiXu-> ALso for alarms etc.
Sep 09 15:47:57 <TimSim> jap something like that.
Sep 09 15:49:46 <MohammadAG> closed source, out of ours hands
Sep 09 15:50:01 <MNZ> MohammadAG, wait... do you remove the usb after kernel is sent???
Sep 09 15:50:31 <MohammadAG> MNZ, yeah
Sep 09 15:50:38 <MohammadAG> well, i do
Sep 09 15:50:51 <MNZ> I mean immediately after it, before booting is over
Sep 09 15:50:53 <MohammadAG> I think I crashed the autobuilder
Sep 09 15:50:55 <MohammadAG> or it's too slow
Sep 09 15:51:08 <MohammadAG> MNZ, yes, w/ a USB a framebuffer kernel crashes
Sep 09 15:51:38 <MNZ> but.... I don't have fb... and the stock kernel definitely doesn't
Sep 09 15:52:14 <MNZ> because I just realized the kernel doesn't boot with usb, even if flashed
Sep 09 15:53:15 <MohammadAG> MNZ, I meant that's why I take out the USB
Sep 09 15:56:32 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: on which device? which version?
Sep 09 15:56:50 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, N900 in December?
Sep 09 15:57:24 <DocScrutinizer> duh, never noticed any difference in theming, and I guess I installed xchat in November
Sep 09 15:57:46 <MNZ> the default xchat colors now are complete and utter fail
Sep 09 15:57:55 <ShadowJK> You only get the new theme if you installed first time after the theming
Sep 09 15:58:07 <ShadowJK> otherwise the old xchat.conf from the pre-theming time stays
Sep 09 15:58:30 <DocScrutinizer> aaah, so I'm happy it stays that way :-P
Sep 09 15:58:34 <ShadowJK> Or if you delete xchat.conf I think you get the new theme too
Sep 09 15:59:05 <DocScrutinizer> yep, I remember there was utter madness like white on black and other stuff
Sep 09 15:59:31 <ShadowJK> I actually have white (gray) on black on my desktop :P
Sep 09 15:59:41 <ShadowJK> From before xchat (mainline) changed to white bg by default
Sep 09 15:59:48 <MNZ> white on black? that woulda been good. IIRC it's dark blue on black
Sep 09 15:59:54 <DocScrutinizer> which I never faced as happily I avoided updating when xchat by default killed the conf on update
Sep 09 16:00:05 <ShadowJK> iirc my desktop xchat theme is from xchat 1.4.3 days :D
Sep 09 16:00:08 <ShadowJK> if there was such a version
Sep 09 16:00:34 <jpinx-eeepc> black screen bgs are so much easier on your eyes
Sep 09 16:01:18 <ShadowJK> for sure, first morning I switched on my computer and xchat's white background stabbed my eyes like a C coder stabbing a C++ coder adding (void*) casts to code
Sep 09 16:01:54 <DocScrutinizer> jpinx-eeepc: ooh yes
Sep 09 16:02:07 <DocScrutinizer> muuuuuuch easier
Sep 09 16:02:46 <jpinx-eeepc> I am still looking for a gui tabbed editor that will offer a black background
Sep 09 16:03:10 * jpinx-eeepc does a lot of simple text document editing
Sep 09 16:10:22 * DocScrutinizer wonders idly to publish all his .xchat/*  - modulo the chatlogs
Sep 09 16:12:43 <DocScrutinizer> I think I even copied over the xchat.conf and some other stuff from N810, as it was so annoying to redo all the tweaks
Sep 09 16:13:43 <SpeedEvil> remember to remove passwords too
Sep 09 16:13:53 <DocScrutinizer> sure
Sep 09 16:14:35 <DocScrutinizer> haha, that's be funny to have 50 chanops on each of 10 chan
Sep 09 16:16:02 <DocScrutinizer51> and all are MEEEEEEE
Sep 09 16:16:15 <DocScrutinizer51> *shudder*
Sep 09 16:17:17 * ShadowJK doesn't store passwords in xchat
Sep 09 16:17:54 <ShadowJK> I just do /server blah blh blah, /newserver blah blah blah on startup to connect to irssi-proxy
Sep 09 16:18:49 <DocScrutinizer51> that's probably a good idea
Sep 09 16:19:05 <DocScrutinizer51> should work with ZNC as well
Sep 09 16:21:18 <DocScrutinizer> strange, ZNC passes thru CTCP-version requests
Sep 09 16:22:40 <DocScrutinizer> I have to say I'm not particularly happy with ZNC
Sep 09 16:23:13 <DocScrutinizer> it's ok for one client UA
Sep 09 16:29:13 <liori> jpinx-eeepc: gedit?
Sep 09 16:29:49 <jpinx-eeepc> liori: pulls in some gnome depends --  I believe
Sep 09 16:33:40 <PhonicUK> anyone know if Psfreedom has been compiled for the power user kernel yet?
Sep 09 16:37:56 <DocScrutinizer51> jpinx-eeepc: which editor wouldn't offer custom settings for fg/bg color?
Sep 09 16:39:30 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer51: pong
Sep 09 16:39:33 <pog> I was looking for the package "screen". Dont find it in the maemo repositories. difficult to find something reasolable in google :-)
Sep 09 16:39:50 <liori> jpinx-eeepc: if you want no deps, use xterm/rxvt and some console editor... vim has tabs
Sep 09 16:39:51 <derf> pog: Google "GNU screen"
Sep 09 16:39:51 <jpinx-eeepc> DocScrutinizer51: leafpad
Sep 09 16:39:54 <DocScrutinizer51> jacekowski: ETIMEOUT
Sep 09 16:40:01 <pog> o.k thansk derf
Sep 09 16:40:16 <Jaffa> dneary: We seem to be on the same wavelength this week :)
Sep 09 16:40:46 <jpinx-eeepc> liori: I can use nano, but not very handy and no tabs
Sep 09 16:40:50 <dneary> Jaffa, Aren't we always?
Sep 09 16:40:57 <DocScrutinizer51> jacekowski: somebody asked how to enable fmtx while usb plugged in
Sep 09 16:41:35 <Jaffa> dneary: Oh, of course.
Sep 09 16:42:08 <pog> found screen http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5
Sep 09 16:42:32 <jacekowski> yeah, i've noticed
Sep 09 16:46:40 <GeneralAntilles> Good the spec thread is long.
Sep 09 16:46:41 <pog> I was just looking /etc/apt/sources.list .. all apt-get commands works but this file is empty...
Sep 09 16:46:47 <GeneralAntilles> s/Good/Goodness
Sep 09 16:47:02 <MNZ> pog, /etc/apt/sources.list.d
Sep 09 16:47:38 <jacekowski> oOOO
Sep 09 16:47:43 <jacekowski> http://www.nokian900.tv/n900-gets-wine-windows-users-are-awed/
Sep 09 16:48:46 <jacekowski> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48899&page=2
Sep 09 16:48:57 <MNZ> windows apps... on wine.... on qemu.... on 600mhz arm....
Sep 09 16:49:09 <pog> MNZ: thanks
Sep 09 16:49:16 <MNZ> does it run crysis?
Sep 09 16:49:22 <jacekowski> MNZ: wine isn't that slow
Sep 09 16:49:24 <jacekowski> and hmm, qemu
Sep 09 16:49:26 <jacekowski> qemu is slow
Sep 09 16:49:37 <jacekowski> not as slow as full emu
Sep 09 16:49:51 <jacekowski> but i mean it may be faster than my old ~200mhz pc
Sep 09 16:49:52 <MohammadAG> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=811829#post811829
Sep 09 16:49:56 <jacekowski> btw.
Sep 09 16:49:57 <pog> what I don't understand about wine on arm, wine is a api-converter, does it need qemu?
Sep 09 16:50:06 <jacekowski> pog: yes
Sep 09 16:50:11 <pog> o.k
Sep 09 16:50:31 <MNZ> pog, it's needed on n900 because of the arm arch, which is not supported by wine
Sep 09 16:50:42 <pog> I have seen, win98 runs on N900 :-)
Sep 09 16:50:55 <jacekowski> pog: basicaly what is wine is just a software that loads PE binary into memory, links it with replacement of windows .dlls and runs it
Sep 09 16:51:11 <jacekowski> but that's all x86
Sep 09 16:51:26 <jacekowski> does arm wine run fully on qemu?
Sep 09 16:51:27 <pog> thanks
Sep 09 16:51:44 <jacekowski> or is it clever enough to have native libraries?
Sep 09 16:51:56 <pog> I like probably to install vonbasco-midi-player, if it runs unter N900
Sep 09 16:53:36 <[DrkGUNMAN-N900]> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43480&highlight=wine+qemu
Sep 09 17:00:14 <lcuk> MohammadAG, not one mention of KaKaRoTo on the psfreedom post?  tsk tks
Sep 09 17:01:54 <MohammadAG> lcuk, hmm, I remember I did mention him, he's mentioned on the package page, and the about page though
Sep 09 17:02:24 <pupnik_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjIM4eNmp-g  MAME4all on pandora
Sep 09 17:02:43 <lcuk> MohammadAG, standing on the shoulders of giants..
Sep 09 17:02:53 <lcuk> you wouldnt have a package to release without his work :P
Sep 09 17:03:52 <MohammadAG> lcuk, funny, I wrote that before I read what you said
Sep 09 17:04:13 <MohammadAG> Thanks to:
Sep 09 17:04:13 <MohammadAG> KaKaRoTo for his hard work on the PSFreedom hack, without it, this app wouldn't be possible
Sep 09 17:04:52 <lcuk> \o/
Sep 09 17:06:04 <lcuk> when did I help with python!
Sep 09 17:06:19 <lcuk> :D
Sep 09 17:07:24 <MohammadAG> lcuk, you've helped me a couple of times, either directly or indirectly
Sep 09 17:07:27 <MohammadAG> liqbubbles :P
Sep 09 17:07:32 * lcuk nods
Sep 09 17:08:13 <MohammadAG> would've been cool if the N900's camera slide had a motor
Sep 09 17:08:27 <lcuk> lol
Sep 09 17:08:30 <MohammadAG> then the N900's cam would pop open, take a picture, then auto detect a PS3's model :P
Sep 09 17:12:59 * DocScrutinizer hands lcuk a Jamesey's Breakfast Cocktail
Sep 09 17:13:59 <lcuk> o_O
Sep 09 17:14:13 <lcuk> but I already had vodka cornflakes for breakfast
Sep 09 17:18:08 <DocScrutinizer> cornflakes with bacon?
Sep 09 17:18:50 <ebzzry> Is there a way to control desktop transitions?
Sep 09 17:18:59 <johnsq> Hi
Sep 09 17:19:01 <ebzzry> *desktop-switch transitions
Sep 09 17:19:16 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, vodka cornflakes with bacon, sounds like a decent start for a day
Sep 09 17:19:37 <lcuk> ebzzry, transitions.ini or with gui http://maemo.org/packages/view/transitioncontrol/
Sep 09 17:21:15 <ebzzry> lcuk: does it include desktop transitions?
Sep 09 17:23:36 <lcuk> ebzzry, read and find out, it might not include something you are thinking, but includes tweaking of a lot of the transitions.ini file
Sep 09 17:23:49 <lcuk> i believe the default file has notes about what each does, but the ui may not
Sep 09 17:26:35 <ebzzry> lcuk: let me check
Sep 09 17:28:30 <MohammadAG> editing the file with an editor is easier than editing with the GUI
Sep 09 17:35:27 <ebzzry> lcuk: no desktop transitions :(
Sep 09 17:50:40 <MNZ> DocScrutinizer, pretty much finished work on the driver code, but haven't tested the hwdep interface yet.
Sep 09 17:51:40 <MNZ> DocScrutinizer, I have tested the rest and I *think* there are no more bugs. I also pushed a doc to Documentation/sound/alsa/soc/codecs. If you want, take a quick look over the code?
Sep 09 17:52:15 <MNZ> I have to be at places now, so I'm going off. Will work on libalsa code when back.
Sep 09 17:52:27 <MNZ> cheers #maemo!
Sep 09 17:53:04 <E0x> damn , the chop in the audio when media player is playing and you press the power button with the device lock for saw the time come back to me
Sep 09 17:53:09 <E0x> :(
Sep 09 17:57:00 <FIQ> (17:36:18) (Ljrn900) fiq
Sep 09 17:57:03 <FIQ> what
Sep 09 17:57:09 <FIQ> oh, he leaved
Sep 09 17:59:03 <luke-jr> FIQ: do you know a way to get N900 X-Chat to use sane colours?
Sep 09 18:00:00 <SpeedEvil> Mine is - mosrtly
Sep 09 18:00:05 <SpeedEvil> http://qkwv.com/xchat.png
Sep 09 18:00:15 <FIQ> luke-jr, preferences, colors
Sep 09 18:00:29 <FIQ> change the second row, it's the theme colors
Sep 09 18:00:29 <luke-jr> FIQ: didn't see options there for all the bad colours
Sep 09 18:00:42 <luke-jr> I changed all the ones in that dialog, none fixed it
Sep 09 18:00:53 <FIQ> hmm...
Sep 09 18:00:57 <luke-jr> still black-on-black for local echo and joins/parts
Sep 09 18:01:02 <frals> hmm
Sep 09 18:01:03 <luke-jr> (or close to it)
Sep 09 18:01:07 <frals> bug #11273
Sep 09 18:01:08 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11273 text deleted from picture message
Sep 09 18:01:28 <frals> bug #11272 even
Sep 09 18:01:30 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11272 text deleted from picture message
Sep 09 18:01:41 <FIQ> luke-jr, it may have to do with your theme? i dunno, i've white on black
Sep 09 18:01:53 <FIQ> wait a minute, i've xchat running
Sep 09 18:02:15 <FIQ> tried changing foreground?
Sep 09 18:02:22 <FIQ> if you did, then, no idea
Sep 09 18:02:42 <luke-jr> :/
Sep 09 18:03:17 <luke-jr> Foreground is set to white
Sep 09 18:03:27 <FIQ> btw, about the local echo, change color 30
Sep 09 18:03:40 <Ljrn900> ...
Sep 09 18:04:10 <Ljrn900> ...
Sep 09 18:04:15 <Ljrn900> ok
Sep 09 18:04:21 <Ljrn900> ty
Sep 09 18:04:24 <FIQ> np
Sep 09 18:14:37 <pupnik_> https://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/color.html  !!  Drag the 'invert lightness' to your bookmark bar and you can darken any webpage in chromium
Sep 09 18:16:13 <lcuk> pupnik_, works in firefox :)
Sep 09 18:17:05 <pupnik_> ok well it's AWESOME
Sep 09 18:17:36 <pupnik_> except with some pages which suck
Sep 09 18:17:55 <pupnik_> but it works well with a lot of forum sites
Sep 09 18:19:30 <trumee> cnat understand why N900 doesnt export SDcard to my linux box. On windows it exports Sdcard via mass storage!
Sep 09 18:20:11 <trumee> why linux box doesnt see the sdcard, but windows can.
Sep 09 18:20:26 <trumee> doesnt make sense to me.
Sep 09 18:21:13 <trumee> fdisk -l doesnt list the sdcard, it only lists the emmc.
Sep 09 18:22:05 <pupnik_> does cat /proc/partitions show it
Sep 09 18:22:24 <pupnik_> or is that the same thing
Sep 09 18:23:09 <trumee> pupnik_: nope, it doesnt show it as well
Sep 09 18:24:42 <trumee> pupnik_:  although it is indeed umounted when i plug the usb cable into N900
Sep 09 18:25:21 <trumee> so N900 is indeed presenting it to the linux box, but the box might be rejecting it. strange.
Sep 09 18:25:35 <pupnik_> does lsusb show the device?
Sep 09 18:25:43 <trumee> i have nitdroid installed via nitdroid-installer in the sdcard
Sep 09 18:25:44 <pupnik_> perhaps you have an ancient linux box
Sep 09 18:26:09 <pupnik_> the device would show up if it is registered as a hd device on usb bus
Sep 09 18:26:16 <pupnik_> even if partition table were broken
Sep 09 18:26:41 <trumee> Bus 001 Device 006: ID 0421:01c7 Nokia Mobile Phones is what i get in lsusb
Sep 09 18:26:50 <DocScrutinizer> this is a known feature we see every other day
Sep 09 18:27:18 <trumee> it is not an ancient box, a shiny gentoo install :)
Sep 09 18:27:43 <trumee> The sdcard is a Samsung 8gb class 6 card.
Sep 09 18:28:05 <trumee> pupnik_: should lsusb show Samsung sdcard?
Sep 09 18:28:14 <DocScrutinizer> seems some distros have problems with multiple storage devices (aka partitions?) via same USB device
Sep 09 18:28:39 <DocScrutinizer> trumee: check syslog, to see what devices were detected
Sep 09 18:29:22 <DocScrutinizer> might be an issue with udev, or sth
Sep 09 18:30:02 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: http://www.pastie.org/1148637
Sep 09 18:30:44 <trumee> no mention of anything except sdf which is internal emmc
Sep 09 18:31:14 <DocScrutinizer> truncated prematurely
Sep 09 18:31:59 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: you mean it is my boxes issue?
Sep 09 18:32:15 <DocScrutinizer> yup, usually
Sep 09 18:32:31 <trumee> let me check this on my suse laptop. brb
Sep 09 18:33:34 <lcuk> evening RevdKathy \o
Sep 09 18:33:49 <RevdKathy> Evening lcuk - how's tricks?
Sep 09 18:34:01 <RST38h> reMoo
Sep 09 18:34:13 <frals> o/ RevdKathy
Sep 09 18:34:25 <lcuk> they are good I believe :)
Sep 09 18:34:25 <RevdKathy> Hi frals. :-)
Sep 09 18:34:31 <lcuk> ack RST38h \o
Sep 09 18:34:36 <lcuk> and heya frals
Sep 09 18:34:49 <RevdKathy> lcuk - good-oh!
Sep 09 18:35:10 <DocScrutinizer> lo kathy
Sep 09 18:35:20 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: spot on. it works fine on the suse laptop
Sep 09 18:36:24 <pupnik_> nice to have two systems for stuff like that
Sep 09 18:36:32 <DocScrutinizer> trumee: toldya
Sep 09 18:36:42 <RevdKathy> 'lo DocScrutinizer
Sep 09 18:36:55 <lcuk> n900-n900 file copying should be a test case for usb host when we get it running :P
Sep 09 18:36:58 * slonopotamus yawns
Sep 09 18:36:59 <trumee> pupnik_: yes. although i like gentoo more than suse :)
Sep 09 18:37:15 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: :nod:
Sep 09 18:37:50 <trumee> pupnik_: but suse is somewhat standardised which everybody else understands.
Sep 09 18:38:15 <pupnik_> yes for education most business clientes wanted suse
Sep 09 18:38:25 <pupnik_> back in 2003-2004
Sep 09 18:38:26 <trumee> need to clear out the sdcard to get the new nitdroid :D
Sep 09 18:40:04 <DocScrutinizer> suse here since... yeah since very beginning (of suse)
Sep 09 18:40:25 <slonopotamus> suse? ain't it from the guys who did netware and (oh, my!) IPX?
Sep 09 18:40:58 <DocScrutinizer> nonsense, you mean Novel
Sep 09 18:41:26 <DocScrutinizer> novel bought suse, some years ago
Sep 09 18:41:48 <slonopotamus> http://www.novell.com/linux/
Sep 09 18:42:09 <slonopotamus> i think that page is about suse and it's on novell website
Sep 09 18:42:12 <DocScrutinizer> so what?
Sep 09 18:43:39 <slonopotamus> so suse is made by same company that developed netware
Sep 09 18:43:55 <RST38h> Doc: Have you already made the latest Modest build part of your SSU?
Sep 09 18:44:05 <RST38h> Oh, wait, wrongperson
Sep 09 18:44:28 <slonopotamus> RST38h, i guess you need MohammadAG51
Sep 09 18:44:32 <RST38h> yea
Sep 09 18:45:58 <slonopotamus> meh, i have to admit that n800 is superior to n900. i can type '^' on n800 :)
Sep 09 18:46:11 <luke-jr> …
Sep 09 18:46:25 <slonopotamus> luke-jr, wut?
Sep 09 18:46:35 <luke-jr> can't type anything on N800
Sep 09 18:46:44 <luke-jr> just tap via touchscreen
Sep 09 18:46:50 <slonopotamus> on-screen kb
Sep 09 18:46:50 <luke-jr> and N900 touch-kb has ^ too
Sep 09 18:47:06 <DocScrutinizer> slonopotamus: yes, and N900 is made by the same company that builds i7
Sep 09 18:47:06 <slonopotamus> doesn't matter. n900 on-screen kb doesn't have '^'
Sep 09 18:47:10 <luke-jr> it does
Sep 09 18:47:12 <DocScrutinizer> and pentium
Sep 09 18:47:24 <slonopotamus> luke-jr, not in russian layout
Sep 09 18:47:31 <luke-jr> meh
Sep 09 18:47:32 <luke-jr> who uses that
Sep 09 18:47:40 <slonopotamus> russians
Sep 09 18:48:04 <Ljrn900> ^^^
Sep 09 18:48:17 <Ljrn900> ‰
Sep 09 18:48:28 <Ljrn900> ¿
Sep 09 18:48:29 <slonopotamus> (oh, and n800 has separate up/down/left/right buttons!)
Sep 09 18:48:37 <luke-jr> ok, N800 wins :P
Sep 09 18:48:42 <slonopotamus> :D
Sep 09 18:48:48 <luke-jr> but not enough RAM!
Sep 09 18:48:53 <DocScrutinizer> slonopotamus: which part of "was bought by novel some years ago" is so hard to understand?
Sep 09 18:49:22 <slonopotamus> DocScrutinizer, how that matters?
Sep 09 18:49:38 <DocScrutinizer> slonopotamus: EXACTLY!
Sep 09 18:52:46 <teilzeitstudent> Is there a way to stop the app manager to look for updates everytime i connect to some network?
Sep 09 18:52:54 <DocScrutinizer> it's still the SuSE AG dudes sitting 2km from here (and other places) and developing SLES, like they did before the label of the company changed to Novel. And OpenSuse Linux definitely is not "from the guys who made netware"
Sep 09 18:57:24 <lcuk> hmm
Sep 09 18:57:26 <DocScrutinizer> it's like stating "Mercedes Benz has been invented by D/C"
Sep 09 18:58:00 <lcuk> anyone with ubuntu:  i have a file:   xyz.desktop  I want to edit that file with GUI (its not from an installed program its just in a random folder)
Sep 09 18:58:00 <kerio> slonopotamus: huh? the n900 has separate arrow keys
Sep 09 18:58:02 <lcuk> how can I
Sep 09 18:58:12 <kerio> slonopotamus: i can type ^ on my n900 too
Sep 09 18:58:16 <kerio> without vkbd
Sep 09 18:58:26 <kerio> i set it to... shift+fn+h
Sep 09 18:58:47 <lcuk> mnn nm
Sep 09 18:59:06 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: use a sane desKtop :-P
Sep 09 18:59:18 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, meh
Sep 09 18:59:22 <lcuk> it works for most other stuff
Sep 09 18:59:35 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: then rightclick to the file in a decent Konqueror and select "open with..."
Sep 09 18:59:36 <lcuk> just can't right click and open in an editor unlike every other filetype
Sep 09 18:59:45 <lcuk> there isn't an open with..
Sep 09 18:59:57 <lcuk> its missing, .desktop files are part of the desktop
Sep 09 19:00:11 <lcuk> so its not giving usual actions
Sep 09 19:00:13 <DocScrutinizer> not in konqui
Sep 09 19:00:38 <lcuk> mm change whole desktop for one frustration ;)
Sep 09 19:00:47 <DocScrutinizer> but meh, if you want to live with gnomes, us mc instead, hit F4
Sep 09 19:01:20 <lcuk> i opened it directly from within the editor but its just wrong way round
Sep 09 19:01:42 <DocScrutinizer> it's WHAT?
Sep 09 19:01:52 <DocScrutinizer> RTL text? :-P
Sep 09 19:02:32 <DocScrutinizer> or upside down fonts?
Sep 09 19:02:51 <lcuk> having to open app, then open the file within it
Sep 09 19:03:00 * lcuk rarely ever goes into the file menu 
Sep 09 19:03:43 <DocScrutinizer> gnome as a part ob ubuntu is a Vista with some special themes, you can't expect it to work like a decent linux :-P
Sep 09 19:04:03 <DocScrutinizer> http://xkcd.com/424/
Sep 09 19:05:09 <lcuk> :P
Sep 09 19:05:27 <lcuk> well, it wfm and for lots of others
Sep 09 19:05:28 <DangerMMaus> haha
Sep 09 19:05:37 <DocScrutinizer> I see I see
Sep 09 19:05:39 <lcuk> apart from this niggle!
Sep 09 19:06:28 <Khertan_Home>  Khweeteur 0.0.23 available in #extras-devel ...
Sep 09 19:07:33 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: maybe you have to checkmark "show extensions" in Nautilus' settings (or whatever dwarf err gnome is using now for filemanager)
Sep 09 19:08:20 <lcuk> heh its not a case of hidden extensions
Sep 09 19:08:34 <lcuk> its that gnome actively wants to treat .desktop files as part of the running desktop
Sep 09 19:08:37 <DocScrutinizer> duh, it's not ? :-P
Sep 09 19:08:48 <lcuk> and I bet changing that association will fsck up the menus and stuff
Sep 09 19:09:06 * DocScrutinizer shrugs
Sep 09 19:09:12 <DocScrutinizer> gnome... pfft
Sep 09 19:10:10 <ColdFyre> is there a pptp gui client for the n900..
Sep 09 19:10:31 <DocScrutinizer> gnome devels won't be happy until the desktop looks, feels, and works like the last EOLed windows version
Sep 09 19:10:56 <DangerMMaus> ha
Sep 09 19:11:42 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, less so these days.
Sep 09 19:13:42 <midas_> android on n900 <3
Sep 09 19:14:04 <GAN900> midas_, what's the point?
Sep 09 19:14:09 <DocScrutinizer> nooooo, winmoob7 on N900 ftw :-P
Sep 09 19:14:21 <midas_> GAN900: it's faster than maemo?
Sep 09 19:14:25 <GAN900> I mean, if you want Android, spend 50% less and get Android.
Sep 09 19:14:33 <DocScrutinizer> exactly"
Sep 09 19:14:34 <GAN900> Who cares?
Sep 09 19:14:39 <luke-jr> lol
Sep 09 19:14:42 <GAN900> It's certainly not more capable
Sep 09 19:14:45 <luke-jr> and Android has CDMA hardware
Sep 09 19:14:49 <luke-jr> and more RAM
Sep 09 19:14:51 <GAN900> It doesn't do 3D.
Sep 09 19:15:01 <luke-jr> neither does N900 as far as I'm concerned
Sep 09 19:15:27 <DocScrutinizer> mine looks rather 3-dimensional X-P
Sep 09 19:15:39 <midas_> fact :P
Sep 09 19:18:27 <kerio> GAN900: Android is the iOS of the poor
Sep 09 19:18:43 <luke-jr> lol
Sep 09 19:18:45 <DocScrutinizer> actually nitdroid is about the most pointless project I ever heard about
Sep 09 19:18:53 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: pfft
Sep 09 19:19:01 <luke-jr> you've never done something just because you can?
Sep 09 19:19:03 <TNZ_> Hi all
Sep 09 19:19:42 <TNZ_> Question about behaviour video calls on googletalk ...
Sep 09 19:19:53 <midas_> DocScrutinizer: why?
Sep 09 19:20:20 <DocScrutinizer> because everybody is better off with a genuine android hardware
Sep 09 19:20:37 <lolloo> Can I save text in notepad as unicode format? Thank you.
Sep 09 19:20:49 <MNZ> lolloo, you are welcome
Sep 09 19:20:56 <TNZ_> sound calls and video calls don't work any more since google launched the linux plugin of googletalk :/
Sep 09 19:22:18 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: just think of the bragging points they get for having a handheld that can run Maemo, or Android, or Gentoo
Sep 09 19:22:45 * luke-jr ponders if Maemo can be shoved into an OpenVZ VE
Sep 09 19:25:33 <DocScrutinizer> damn, for bragging get a prada phone, or a Rolex watch
Sep 09 19:26:56 <luke-jr> :P
Sep 09 19:28:10 <Venemo> good evening
Sep 09 19:28:40 <DocScrutinizer> sounds to me like somebody buying a ferrari and then pondering how to plow the acres with it
Sep 09 19:30:07 * DocScrutinizer waves - RL can't be more puzzling
Sep 09 19:31:39 <lolloo> guys how do i load maemo notify plug-in for xchat?
Sep 09 19:31:44 <lolloo> on N900?
Sep 09 19:34:35 <lolloo> guys how do i load maemo notify plugin for xchat?
Sep 09 19:34:45 <lolloo> thank  you.
Sep 09 19:43:11 <TNZ> Hi all
Sep 09 19:43:20 <TNZ> GoogleTalk issue !
Sep 09 19:43:44 <TNZ> only IM part works on my N900 since few days
Sep 09 19:44:22 <TNZ> sound and video calls are not available anymore
Sep 09 19:45:41 <TNZ> I think there's a protocol evolution with the launch of Linux plugin for browser
Sep 09 19:46:09 <TNZ> is there someone on this issue ?
Sep 09 19:46:58 <TNZ> p'tain ... c'est mort à en faire jouir un nécrophile ! Oo
Sep 09 19:49:30 <RevdKathy> G'night all!
Sep 09 20:08:56 <RST38h> what is it with the latest (summer 2010) crop of t.m.o lemmings skipping all the punctuation signs and not capitalizing first words in sentences?
Sep 09 20:09:09 <derf> RST38h: Kids these days.
Sep 09 20:09:27 * derf shakes walker, makes shooing motions away from grass.
Sep 09 20:09:32 <RST38h> <facepalm>
Sep 09 20:09:37 <pronto> GET OFF MY LAWN
Sep 09 20:10:30 * TNZ waiting for an evolution of GoogleTalk plugin in maemo5
Sep 09 20:11:41 <CreamyG> lol its that damn ps3 hack
Sep 09 20:11:47 <CreamyG> inspired a bunch of new members
Sep 09 20:12:19 <mece> do I need to reboot my phone holding u button to flash a kernel image?
Sep 09 20:12:40 <TNZ> should be
Sep 09 20:14:03 <TNZ> sometimes it's not necessary ... it depends of the flasher software
Sep 09 20:22:59 <GAN900> RST38h, is their name lcuk? :P
Sep 09 20:25:14 <mece> hmpf is this thing supposed to do anything?
Sep 09 20:34:37 <CreamyG> hey do you guys know if when i do a build, and it doesn't include some required files in the .tar.gz file, during the "make install" step, so i have to manually copy a few things around every time... well how can i fix that? it's a bunch of stuff in the /debian folder, and one file from the /doc
Sep 09 20:43:11 <lcuk> GAN900, oi! I used to represent that comment
Sep 09 20:43:32 <lcuk> I have actually been presenting myself much better recently :)
Sep 09 20:44:44 <dang> anyone ever had the problem that the camera of an n900 is not saving pictures anymore?
Sep 09 20:46:20 <DangerMaus> do you have it set to video?
Sep 09 20:46:26 <dang> nope
Sep 09 20:46:33 <dang> double checked that :)
Sep 09 20:46:39 <DangerMaus> that was the only time it didnt save pics for me
Sep 09 20:48:12 <DangerMaus> is the fs where it saves to full?
Sep 09 20:49:35 <dang> nope
Sep 09 20:49:38 <dang> im doing an fsck now
Sep 09 20:50:38 <dang> hmm clean
Sep 09 20:51:21 <dang> wow
Sep 09 20:51:26 <dang> now the images magically appeared, wtf
Sep 09 20:51:28 <dang> sorry for the noise
Sep 09 20:53:17 <CreamyG> it's okay, the silence was deafening
Sep 09 20:53:52 * noobmonk3y squeals ..........
Sep 09 20:55:03 <CreamyG> lol a real monkey would be awesome
Sep 09 20:56:18 <dang> hmm that's interesting. i made over 999 pictures and it seems the names get rotated but the file creation date on the file system is still the same so i didnt see them
Sep 09 20:56:38 <lcuk> hmm
Sep 09 20:56:54 <lcuk> dang? you saying that oldest pictures are being overwritten?
Sep 09 20:57:05 <CreamyG> he disconnected
Sep 09 20:57:42 <lcuk> ahh no they wont be
Sep 09 20:57:48 <lcuk> pics are datestamped
Sep 09 20:58:10 <lcuk> as in use the date on the filename with a suffix
Sep 09 20:58:32 <CreamyG> yeah that's good. probalby wouldn't overwrite anyways, just crash, like everything else
Sep 09 20:59:45 <lcuk> :|
Sep 09 21:00:47 <RST38h> How do I find out which packages depend ona given package?
Sep 09 21:01:06 <lcuk> reverse depends
Sep 09 21:01:17 <lcuk> in apt-cache ummm possible showpkg
Sep 09 21:01:23 <MNZ> apt-cache showpkg
Sep 09 21:04:15 <RST38h> thanksss
Sep 09 21:04:25 <RST38h> somebody slipped perl-base onto the device
Sep 09 21:04:29 <RST38h> I wonder who...
Sep 09 21:04:44 * FIQ|n900 hides
Sep 09 21:05:15 * chadi slaps healthcheck
Sep 09 21:05:20 <pupnik> what's new RST38h
Sep 09 21:06:16 <RST38h> ah, it is needed by dpkg
Sep 09 21:06:23 <RST38h> pupnik: not much,same old shit
Sep 09 21:06:43 <RST38h> procrastinating, rather than upgrading fbreader to 0.12.*
Sep 09 21:16:37 <pupnik> RST38h: i just took bread out of initial rise, kneaded it about 10 times, and have now set it in the oven for final-rise.
Sep 09 21:19:43 <xtophe> Hello, do you know how long flashing a N900 is supposed to take ?
Sep 09 21:20:37 <baraujo> xtophe, IIRC, minutes
Sep 09 21:21:13 <jacekowski> emmc or combined?
Sep 09 21:21:22 <xtophe> jacekowski: both
Sep 09 21:21:27 <SpeedEvil> xtophe: around a minute.
Sep 09 21:22:00 <xtophe> hmm been 12 already
Sep 09 21:22:08 <xtophe> so i do sth wrong
Sep 09 21:22:11 <jacekowski> is it flashing?
Sep 09 21:22:18 <jacekowski> or does it say waiting
Sep 09 21:22:42 <xtophe> it say waiting
Sep 09 21:22:47 <SpeedEvil> then its not flashing
Sep 09 21:22:49 <jacekowski> then it's not flashing
Sep 09 21:22:49 * xtophe should learn to read
Sep 09 21:23:01 <jacekowski> ~flashing
Sep 09 21:23:01 <infobot> i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Sep 09 21:23:09 <jacekowski> RTFM
Sep 09 21:25:25 * zap heard 'flashing' means turning on and off
Sep 09 21:25:59 <crashanddie> no, flashing is actually showing your privates
Sep 09 21:26:07 <crashanddie> http://www.gtspirit.com/2010/09/09/video-jeremy-clarkson-on-stig-gate-scandal/ <-- pretty interesting stuff Clarkson says
Sep 09 21:26:10 <orangey> hello all
Sep 09 21:26:12 <jacekowski> tits and stuff
Sep 09 21:26:32 <orangey> I'm having some serious issues with VOIP in my N900.. How can I figure out which codecs it's using?
Sep 09 21:26:43 <orangey> I recall seeing lists of INVITEs and so on on mailing lists, but I'm not sure how to generate that
Sep 09 21:26:49 <orangey> is there some kind of debug command?
Sep 09 21:27:16 <orangey> Anyhow, the essence of my problem is that I can't hear the other party at random intervals for ~5-100 seconds at a time
Sep 09 21:27:21 <orangey> it doesn't appear network related.
Sep 09 21:27:30 <orangey> and only happens with SIP, not skype or whatnot
Sep 09 21:28:44 <crashanddie> orangey: well, network is a relative thing, where is your SIP server based?
Sep 09 21:28:54 <orangey> US and I'm in canada
Sep 09 21:29:03 <orangey> rather, I actually think the server is canadian
Sep 09 21:29:04 <orangey> acanac
Sep 09 21:29:05 <crashanddie> orangey: anyway, /etc/stream-engine/gstcodecs.conf
Sep 09 21:29:12 <orangey> crashanddie: I've played with that
Sep 09 21:29:22 <orangey> however, even when I comment out all codecs, the problem still occurs
Sep 09 21:29:28 <orangey> even though I theoretically should hear nothing, right?
Sep 09 21:29:32 <orangey> I put id=-1
Sep 09 21:29:49 <orangey> anyhow, there's someway to debug further I know.. I want to see what codec it's actually using
Sep 09 21:30:03 <crashanddie> well, you're most probably using PCMA
Sep 09 21:30:07 <crashanddie> considering that's what the N900 prefers
Sep 09 21:30:34 <crashanddie> basically, about SIP, "it depends"
Sep 09 21:30:57 * noobmonk3y blinks
Sep 09 21:31:01 * noobmonk3y looks @chadi
Sep 09 21:31:03 <crashanddie> if the server prefers ILBC, and their "preference setting" is higher than the N900's preference setting for PCMU, you'll use ILBC
Sep 09 21:31:25 * noobmonk3y prods crashanddie 
Sep 09 21:31:49 <chadi> hey healthcheck! long time no see :-)
Sep 09 21:32:04 <crashanddie> noobmonk3y: yes?
Sep 09 21:32:07 <noobmonk3y> hehehe :) real life got in the way :P hehe how are you doing? :)
Sep 09 21:32:13 <noobmonk3y> just saying hello crash
Sep 09 21:32:21 <crashanddie> orangey: the syslog should tell you more though
Sep 09 21:32:29 <orangey> crashanddie: where is the syslog?
Sep 09 21:32:32 <orangey> /var/log/syslog?
Sep 09 21:32:40 <noobmonk3y> you okay chadi?
Sep 09 21:33:01 <noobmonk3y> i'm currently trying to re-learn via the sdk to redo healthcheck :) hehehe
Sep 09 21:33:21 <chadi> redo it?
Sep 09 21:33:25 <chadi> I'm great
Sep 09 21:33:31 <noobmonk3y> yeah kinda, and add alot more :0
Sep 09 21:33:39 <noobmonk3y> ie, constant update, and smoother screens
Sep 09 21:33:47 <noobmonk3y> lots more info to add too
Sep 09 21:33:56 <noobmonk3y> in my absence, had alot of extra info to add :P
Sep 09 21:34:18 <chadi> yeah lots of stuff on paper waiting to be implemented :P
Sep 09 21:34:38 <noobmonk3y> had about 40 emails in the last month with ideas and help :) - so as soon as i get back into the swing will give it a retry :)
Sep 09 21:34:49 <noobmonk3y> hehehe, yeah.... tis good to learn :0
Sep 09 21:35:15 <chadi> rewrite it in c++ :P
Sep 09 21:35:21 <noobmonk3y> tis the aim :P
Sep 09 21:35:31 <noobmonk3y> trying to figure out ersbox, then to learn c++ - never done it :
Sep 09 21:35:35 <noobmonk3y> esbox*
Sep 09 21:36:02 <chadi> enjoy ;-)
Sep 09 21:36:10 <crashanddie> orangey: for the record, I'm a developer on a VoIP/SIP server. I mainly use ngrep to check out what's happening on the SIP port.
Sep 09 21:36:14 <noobmonk3y> but then python took me 2 weeks, b4 i had healthcheck going, so hoping c++ wont take too much longer :)
Sep 09 21:36:20 <crashanddie> (ngrep which IIRC isn't available on the N900)
Sep 09 21:36:51 <noobmonk3y> crash can you tell me what iirc means? heard it hundreds of time, just never understood it!
Sep 09 21:36:53 <noobmonk3y> :)
Sep 09 21:37:01 <crashanddie> if i recall correctly
Sep 09 21:37:04 <chadi> if i recall correctly
Sep 09 21:37:07 <noobmonk3y> ahaaaaaaa ty :)
Sep 09 21:37:09 <noobmonk3y> to both :)
Sep 09 21:37:09 <orangey> aha! tcpdump is the key
Sep 09 21:37:13 <chadi> heh
Sep 09 21:37:41 <crashanddie> orangey: if you have the time, just grab ngrep sources from debian-src, and compile it on the n900
Sep 09 21:37:47 <crashanddie> orangey: shouldn't require too many dependencies
Sep 09 21:37:50 <noobmonk3y> but yes, back to healthcheck, the idea is now to rutn it into an actual application, not a "my first attempt" stuyle app
Sep 09 21:37:59 <noobmonk3y> turn*
Sep 09 21:38:01 <orangey> yikes
Sep 09 21:38:05 <noobmonk3y> stylee*
Sep 09 21:38:09 <orangey> why when tcpdump is already compiled?
Sep 09 21:38:24 <crashanddie> orangey: because ngrep is a lot nicer than tcpdump :P
Sep 09 21:38:46 <noobmonk3y> p.s. chadi, good to see you still on here :) :)
Sep 09 21:38:48 <orangey> crashanddie: godwilling, my relationship with tcpdump will be short
Sep 09 21:38:55 <lindi-> crashanddie: just run tcpdump on n900 and pipe it to ngrep on PC :)
Sep 09 21:39:02 * noobmonk3y slaps MohammadAG51 
Sep 09 21:39:08 <crashanddie> lindi-: *shudder*
Sep 09 21:39:14 * noobmonk3y wscreams BACOn in lcuk's good ear
Sep 09 21:39:18 <chadi> noobmonk3y: good luck :)
Sep 09 21:39:21 <lindi-> crashanddie: running some complex filtering as root is a bad idea anyway
Sep 09 21:39:26 <noobmonk3y> cheers :)
Sep 09 21:39:37 <orangey> lindi-: nice : )
Sep 09 21:39:44 <orangey> speaking of which, what repository is tcpdump on?
Sep 09 21:40:02 <orangey> i can only find it in the garage
Sep 09 21:40:11 <crashanddie> lindi-: thanks, I need to be taught about security ;)
Sep 09 21:40:26 <orangey> aha. got it
Sep 09 21:40:30 <orangey> http://maemo.org/packages/view/tcpdump/
Sep 09 21:41:45 <trumee> orangey: sip on N900 is very buggy
Sep 09 21:41:58 <trumee> orangey: See bug #10388
Sep 09 21:42:00 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10388 Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem?
Sep 09 21:42:38 <trumee> orangey: I have tried all sort of codecs with both asterisk and freeswitch servers and have failed.
Sep 09 21:43:32 <trumee> even Nokia/Collabora devs have acknowledged (taken sip traces off my setup) the bug, but until now there has been no fix.
Sep 09 21:44:02 <orangey> trumee: did disabling power saving on wlan help?
Sep 09 21:44:06 <trumee> orangey: not suprised that sip isnt working for you
Sep 09 21:44:10 <trumee> orangey: no, did not help
Sep 09 21:44:18 <crashanddie> weird
Sep 09 21:44:19 <trumee> i tried even usb networking!
Sep 09 21:44:23 <crashanddie> I'm having no issues with SIP
Sep 09 21:44:23 <orangey> trumee: strange.
Sep 09 21:44:27 <trumee> and that also gave me choppy audio
Sep 09 21:44:31 <orangey> crashanddie: who's your provider?
Sep 09 21:44:38 <orangey> trumee: I don't have choppy audio *generally*
Sep 09 21:44:42 * RST38h cackles evilly
Sep 09 21:44:44 <orangey> Skype works beautifully
Sep 09 21:44:49 <orangey> most SIP works fine
Sep 09 21:44:52 <crashanddie> orangey: well... I'm a dev... I have my own servers
Sep 09 21:45:07 <lindi-> crashanddie: what sip software are you running btw?
Sep 09 21:45:10 <trumee> crashanddie: so am i. run my own * server.
Sep 09 21:45:12 <RST38h> devs do not have their own servers, admins do =)
Sep 09 21:45:14 <orangey> but there are a few completely predictable numbers that cause no end of problems
Sep 09 21:45:20 <orangey> crashanddie: ah.
Sep 09 21:45:23 <crashanddie> trumee: ours is a bit more advanced than *
Sep 09 21:45:31 <crashanddie> heck, I have my own audiocodes and everything
Sep 09 21:46:18 <trumee> orangey: collabora dev said that there is bug is gstreamer jitter library on N900
Sep 09 21:46:27 <crashanddie> I haven't used my ISP's SIP a lot, but didn't notice anything strange there either
Sep 09 21:46:34 <orangey> trumee: any fix at all?
Sep 09 21:46:43 <orangey> trumee: like I said, mostly it works with most people even on SIP
Sep 09 21:46:49 <orangey> which leads me to believe it's a codec problem
Sep 09 21:46:55 <trumee> orangey: no there is no fix yet :(
Sep 09 21:47:26 <trumee> orangey: i have been pushing the dev to do something about it but seems its not in the priority list at the moment.
Sep 09 21:47:54 <trumee> orangey: funny thing is the meego is going to carry the same bug since it uses the same libraries
Sep 09 21:48:09 <trumee> so i would stay away from meego until that bug is fixed.
Sep 09 21:48:43 <trumee> crashanddie: i am more than happy for you to call  an extension of my freeswitch server and listen to an audio book
Sep 09 21:48:57 <trumee> crashanddie: it gets choppy few minutes into the call.
Sep 09 21:49:03 <crashanddie> audio book?
Sep 09 21:49:19 <crashanddie> trumee: what timezone are you in?
Sep 09 21:49:22 <trumee> crashanddie: yes, something i have set on auto-pickup.
Sep 09 21:49:26 <trumee> crashanddie: BST
Sep 09 21:49:35 <crashanddie> trumee: I'll give you a buzz tomorrow morning then
Sep 09 21:50:13 <crashanddie> trumee: I could even set up a couple of calls and get some accurate measurements if I have the time...
Sep 09 21:50:14 <trumee> crashanddie: nah!, i will be away to work. I am on irc only on BST evenings.
Sep 09 21:50:25 <orangey> hmm.
Sep 09 21:50:36 <orangey> I'm not seeing any INVITE packets
Sep 09 21:50:38 <crashanddie> yeah, and I don't intend to do SIP troubleshooting at 15 minutes to midnight :P
Sep 09 21:50:40 <trumee> crashanddie: however, i can gibe you the login details and you can do the testing in my absence
Sep 09 21:50:46 <orangey> does tcpdump show the actual packets, or just that a packet went through?
Sep 09 21:51:52 <trumee> crashanddie: want to give me an email or want the setting on a private chat?
Sep 09 21:52:23 <orangey> honestly, after this last depressing run, I feel that it may be time to abandon the n900
Sep 09 21:52:42 <orangey> though it would pain me to use any non-free tool
Sep 09 21:52:46 <kerio> nooo :(
Sep 09 21:52:55 <orangey> I know.
Sep 09 21:53:05 <orangey> it's multifactorial, though - there's almost no AWS in canada
Sep 09 21:53:11 <orangey> so I'm using GPRS with this damned thing
Sep 09 21:53:23 <orangey> plus the VOIP issues
Sep 09 21:53:34 <orangey> and the obvious and widely known lack of apps
Sep 09 21:53:41 <orangey> any one is surmountable
Sep 09 21:54:15 <trumee> orangey: i can feel your pain. i cant throw away my N95 because of this voip bug
Sep 09 21:54:29 <orangey> trumee: *sigh*
Sep 09 21:54:39 <trumee> orangey: i went into coma for some time when i couldnt get sip to work reliably :(
Sep 09 21:54:58 <orangey> trumee: honestly, the worst part is that Nokia released a non-maemo phone after the n900
Sep 09 21:55:07 <trumee> i bought two N900, one for myself and one for wife hoping to do sip calls. and now they are both a waste
Sep 09 21:55:09 <orangey> That's enough whining for me
Sep 09 21:55:25 <orangey> trumee: maybe salvage it by getting a SIP account elsewhere
Sep 09 21:55:28 <orangey> trumee: e.g., callcentric
Sep 09 21:55:35 <trumee> orangey: the same server works beautifully with N95
Sep 09 21:55:39 <orangey> trumee: callcentric + n900 worked *perfectly* for me
Sep 09 21:55:53 <orangey> trumee: when you're playing with maemo, YOU have to be fixed, not the problem
Sep 09 21:56:07 * orangey cries
Sep 09 21:56:26 <trumee> orangey: i run my own * server and have remote extensions given to family members. they have become used to simple phone numbers. i cant ask them to go back to sip isps.
Sep 09 21:56:50 <orangey> trumee: what's the setup?
Sep 09 21:56:59 <orangey> trumee do you interact with the POTS system at all?
Sep 09 21:57:06 <trumee> orangey:  * server connected to couple of remote sip extensions
Sep 09 21:57:10 <trumee> no POTS at all.
Sep 09 21:57:17 <orangey> that would be sweet
Sep 09 21:57:34 <trumee> i have set of Linksys PAP2/SPA3102 with family members
Sep 09 21:57:42 <orangey> you have basically a bat phone
Sep 09 21:57:49 <orangey> they do one line for you and one for the rest of the world
Sep 09 21:57:52 * DocScrutinizer yaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaawns
Sep 09 21:58:22 <trumee> and everybody has simple phone number. i hate ISP phone number, usually they are pretty long.
Sep 09 21:58:29 <DocScrutinizer> giraffe time again?
Sep 09 21:58:45 <orangey> trumee: what about rerouting?
Sep 09 21:58:54 <trumee> orangey: what do you mean?
Sep 09 21:59:08 <orangey> trumee: forward callcentric to your asterix box
Sep 09 21:59:12 <orangey> see if that doesn't solve your problem
Sep 09 21:59:38 <orangey> it sounds like it shouldn't, but such trickery has occasionally resolved issues for me
Sep 09 21:59:45 <kerio> it's MOO time
Sep 09 21:59:52 <orangey> masters of orion?
Sep 09 22:00:05 <trumee> orangey: N900<>callcentric<>asterisk<>remote extensions?
Sep 09 22:00:06 <DocScrutinizer> ~moo
Sep 09 22:00:07 * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass
Sep 09 22:00:21 <orangey> trumee: right.
Sep 09 22:00:32 <RST38h> Moo?
Sep 09 22:01:06 <orangey> trumee: first make sure everything works N900 <>callcentric <> N900
Sep 09 22:01:09 <orangey> since you have 2 around
Sep 09 22:01:13 <orangey> there's your video + audio
Sep 09 22:01:23 <orangey> once that's done, add the asterisk piece
Sep 09 22:01:35 <trumee> orangey: could try that. but my impression is that Sip to Sip calls on N900 are a fail. If i introduce a PSTN in between then it is ok, ie N900<>*<>ISP<>PSTN
Sep 09 22:01:49 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, plus some mixedpickles
Sep 09 22:02:45 <SpeedEvil> http://blogs.arm.com/smart-mobile-devices/watts-the-limit-for-smart-mobile-devices-meet-the-cortexa15/ hmm
Sep 09 22:02:46 <DocScrutinizer> BS there's no such thing like SIP<>PSTN
Sep 09 22:02:59 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: ?
Sep 09 22:03:03 <DocScrutinizer> SIP by definition needs a SIP farend to talk to
Sep 09 22:03:31 <DocScrutinizer> if you want to call PSTN via SIP, then you need to use a gateway
Sep 09 22:03:54 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: ok. ISP<>Gateway<>PSTN, happy?
Sep 09 22:04:04 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, a tad better
Sep 09 22:05:06 <trumee> doesnt solve my problem though. Not sure why Nokia went for a new sipstack when the Symbian one was working so well.
Sep 09 22:05:36 <trumee> N95 sipstack is amazing. It does g729 so well. With N900, g729 eats up 55% cpu.
Sep 09 22:06:53 <orangey> trumee: I think that's the problem
Sep 09 22:06:54 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: maybe once your port twinkle to qt4, then all will be ok :p
Sep 09 22:07:10 <orangey> trumee: the person I'm trying to talk to who I have serious issues with is on the same provider (acanac), so we're probably having end-to-end SIP
Sep 09 22:07:18 <luke-jr> trumee: Sofia isn't new
Sep 09 22:07:19 <orangey> whereas everybody else is via PSTN
Sep 09 22:07:23 <trumee> orangey: pcmu consumes much less cpu, but still have the same choppyness.
Sep 09 22:07:27 <PhonicUK> has anyone tried Milkytracker on their N900?
Sep 09 22:08:09 <trumee> luke-jr: not sure where the problem is a)Sofia or b)gstreamer/pulse-audio
Sep 09 22:08:17 <orangey> i actually wondered if it was some network issue and made my ISP add g729 to my account
Sep 09 22:08:26 <orangey> trumee: have you tried the new pulseaudio?
Sep 09 22:08:58 <trumee> orangey: no i havent. have you seen the choppiness thread on tmo.
Sep 09 22:09:08 <orangey> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60788
Sep 09 22:09:15 <orangey> trumee: which one? I've read through so many choppiness threads
Sep 09 22:09:27 <orangey> my problem isn't choppiness. it's complete silence for 10-100 seconds at a time
Sep 09 22:09:50 <trumee> orangey: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54039
Sep 09 22:10:10 <trumee> orangey: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=811368&postcount=25
Sep 09 22:10:35 <trumee> orangey: i asked the guy above to test against my freeswitch server and his N900 was choppy.
Sep 09 22:11:11 <trumee> he is doing calls over his internal network only, no wonder he is not facing major issues.
Sep 09 22:11:30 <luke-jr> no issues here
Sep 09 22:11:52 <trumee> luke-jr: iirc you tested with my freeswitch and it was choppy :)
Sep 09 22:12:14 <luke-jr> IIRC it wasn't.
Sep 09 22:12:38 <luke-jr> didn't timeless and I hold a 30+ minute long convo over it?
Sep 09 22:12:57 <trumee> luke-jr: timeless said there was choppines?
Sep 09 22:13:08 <luke-jr> yeah, maybe once every 5-10 minutes
Sep 09 22:13:29 <trumee> luke-jr: the server is my primary telephone line and trust me i use it daily :)
Sep 09 22:13:41 <luke-jr> in any case, my own PBX works fine
Sep 09 22:14:27 <trumee> luke-jr: if you are happy to create an extension then i can hook up the audio-book to your system. you can play with it as long as you can.
Sep 09 22:14:43 <luke-jr> …
Sep 09 22:14:49 <orangey> trumee
Sep 09 22:14:50 <orangey> try this thing
Sep 09 22:14:56 <orangey> hook up a bluetooth and make the same call
Sep 09 22:15:16 <trumee> orangey: you think that will help?
Sep 09 22:15:25 <orangey> trumee: It does for me
Sep 09 22:15:37 <orangey> trumee: in fact, it eliminates the problem completely
Sep 09 22:15:50 <orangey> which now that I think of it points more to PA instead of a codec issue
Sep 09 22:18:02 <trumee> orangey: ok. i am going to try that out. got to go now.
Sep 09 22:18:22 <trumee> luke-jr: think about giving me an extension.
Sep 09 22:18:25 <trumee> gn all
Sep 09 22:21:27 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, porting twinkle sounds tempting, but alas twinkle isn't qt4-ready
Sep 09 22:21:41 <PhonicUK> hmm, package manager keeps saying theres no free space
Sep 09 22:21:45 <PhonicUK> but apt-get has no problem
Sep 09 22:21:46 <DocScrutinizer> otherwise it's be a walk in the park
Sep 09 22:21:50 <PhonicUK> and everything has pleanty of free space
Sep 09 22:22:33 <DocScrutinizer> check HAM logs
Sep 09 22:22:47 <PhonicUK> where are they?
Sep 09 22:22:56 <DocScrutinizer> menu - log ?
Sep 09 22:23:44 <PhonicUK> got it
Sep 09 22:27:46 <PhonicUK> DocScrutinizer, looks like HAM is being stupid
Sep 09 22:27:50 <PhonicUK> it says:
Sep 09 22:27:58 <DocScrutinizer> that all but new
Sep 09 22:28:04 <PhonicUK> apt-worker: You don't have enough free space in /home
Sep 09 22:28:07 <PhonicUK> but earlier it says:
Sep 09 22:28:28 <PhonicUK> apt-worker: free space (/home/) = 2113748992
Sep 09 22:28:37 <PhonicUK> required disk space: 266394
Sep 09 22:28:51 <DocScrutinizer> weird
Sep 09 22:28:53 * satmd makes 485 pieces out of his birthday cake and shares his happy day :)
Sep 09 22:29:08 <DocScrutinizer> cheers satmd
Sep 09 22:29:20 <PhonicUK> and i can use apt-get and its fine :\
Sep 09 22:29:22 <PhonicUK> how weird
Sep 09 22:29:31 <DocScrutinizer> strace?
Sep 09 22:29:51 <PhonicUK> no stack trace is shown to me?
Sep 09 22:30:31 <CreamyG> goddamn, i fail at pointers. segfault :|
Sep 09 22:40:37 <orangey> ok, so I'm trying to test out the assumption that it's actually a performance issue
Sep 09 22:41:02 <orangey> but when I install Titan's kernel (kernel-power-settings), I can no longer see my WLAN, though others show
Sep 09 22:41:56 <orangey> any thoughts?
Sep 09 22:42:12 <orangey> (I CAN see other WLANs)
Sep 09 23:09:11 <teilzeitstudent> Is there a way to stop the app manager from looking for updates everytime i connect to some network?
Sep 09 23:09:42 <lcuk> teilzeitstudent, you can set the time between checks
Sep 09 23:09:57 <lcuk> you will have to search, its a common question and there are answers
Sep 09 23:11:11 <teilzeitstudent> 'kay.. ty.
Sep 09 23:13:21 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#
Sep 09 23:13:27 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check
Sep 09 23:13:47 <DocScrutinizer> HTH
Sep 09 23:14:16 <lcuk> :) ta DocScrutinizer
Sep 09 23:15:32 <teilzeitstudent> DocScrutinizer, thanks found some SDK doc with the same info. I guess 2,147,483,647 minutes is as good as never.
Sep 09 23:15:50 <lcuk> :D
Sep 09 23:16:59 <kerio> i just set it to a year
Sep 09 23:17:45 <SpeedEvil> I set it to once every decade.
Sep 09 23:17:50 <SpeedEvil> Don't want it to get too out of date.
Sep 09 23:17:58 <teilzeitstudent> :p
Sep 09 23:18:41 <teilzeitstudent> hmm. what will smartphones look like in 10 years
Sep 09 23:19:16 * lcuk has a few ideas
Sep 09 23:20:43 <teilzeitstudent> well, I do too but none of them are too nice. shouldnt have read 1984 the other day :<
Sep 09 23:22:01 <kerio> 1984 is awesome
Sep 09 23:22:25 <SpeedEvil> was
Sep 09 23:22:58 <kerio> no, the book
Sep 09 23:23:07 <kerio> the book is still awesome
Sep 09 23:24:56 <teilzeitstudent> well soon google will have cameras outside of our house and inside, implanted in those internet-tv boxes.
Sep 09 23:26:06 <kerio> pff
Sep 09 23:26:13 <kerio> google will scan our brain
Sep 09 23:28:16 <teilzeitstudent> and saying "google sucks" in your living room will automatically increase the pageranking of your embarassing party pictures from when you where young.
Sep 09 23:28:50 <pupnik> anybody here on osx? this might be a fun game for maemo
Sep 09 23:29:13 <kerio> me
Sep 09 23:29:18 <kerio> but not atm
Sep 09 23:29:33 <ieatlint> teilzeitstudent: i dunno, i'd have to say i'd expect that sooner of apple
Sep 09 23:29:54 <ieatlint> everyone will have just one phone, and they all look the same
Sep 09 23:30:20 <ieatlint> your only allowed to use it as they deem acceptable, etc
Sep 09 23:30:48 <pupnik> http://www.ambrosiasw.com/games/sketchfighter/  kerio
Sep 09 23:31:03 <teilzeitstudent> Well, google is Oceania, apple is Eurasia and microsoft is Eastasia. So.. what does it really matter :P
Sep 09 23:31:28 <kerio> pupnik: bookmarked, will try it
Sep 09 23:31:39 <kerio> teilzeitstudent: omg they're the same!
Sep 09 23:31:51 <teilzeitstudent> ieatlint, noo. there will always be room for individualisation. have that one ringtone noone else has and be free!
Sep 09 23:32:16 <kerio> or did you mean that we don't know if 2 out of 3 actually exist?
Sep 09 23:33:03 <ieatlint> except that ringtone wasn't free
Sep 09 23:33:05 <ieatlint> it cost you money
Sep 09 23:33:15 <teilzeitstudent> of course it will. what do you expect
Sep 09 23:33:38 <kerio> freedom is never free
Sep 09 23:33:46 <ieatlint> i expect freedom not to be a commercial choice
Sep 09 23:39:02 <SpeedEvil1> fcamera
Sep 09 23:39:11 <SpeedEvil1> It's dying on startup
Sep 09 23:39:13 <SpeedEvil1> any clues?
Sep 09 23:39:26 <satmd> start it from xterm and watch the messages
Sep 09 23:39:35 <satmd> most likely it's missing something
Sep 09 23:39:46 <SpeedEvil> yeah - last lines were about LED
Sep 09 23:44:19 <pigeon> which app on the n900 can do phone call recording again?
Sep 09 23:45:01 <luke-jr> Recorder?
Sep 09 23:47:30 <pigeon> thanks, so obvious, yet so hard to remember... :)
Sep 09 23:47:44 <n900-space> its in the form of a desktop widget, that lil red curved square ( i wish it was bigger ) .. its a cute widget though
Sep 09 23:51:29 <pigeon> ah, "recaller"?
Sep 09 23:51:43 <luke-jr> mine is called Recorder
Sep 09 23:51:43 <pigeon> it said it has recorded, but can't find the recorded file.
Sep 09 23:51:54 <luke-jr> I think it was preinstalled
Sep 09 23:52:13 <pigeon> weird, i don't have that widget.
Sep 09 23:52:50 <luke-jr> PR1.2?
Sep 09 23:53:00 <luke-jr> and it's not a widget
Sep 09 23:53:01 <luke-jr> it's an app
Sep 09 23:53:04 <luke-jr> like you asked for
Sep 09 23:53:05 <pigeon> wait, there is it, the recorded file
Sep 09 23:53:14 <pigeon> yeah, 1.2, but it's called "recaller" in the widget list.
Sep 09 23:53:26 <luke-jr> it's not a widget
Sep 09 23:53:44 <pigeon> my "recorder" is an app.
Sep 09 23:53:45 <pigeon> yeah
Sep 09 23:53:59 <pigeon> and what n900-space said is a widget, which is "recaller".
Sep 09 23:54:08 <pigeon> recaller seems to have recoreded better quality ones.
Sep 09 23:54:12 <luke-jr> O.o
Sep 09 23:54:13 <pigeon> anyway, thanks both.
Sep 09 23:56:40 <n900-space> oh sorry i forget the names usually :)
Sep 09 23:56:56 <DocScrutinizer51> SpeedEvil: fcam is brainfsckd as it seems to access LP5523 directly instead of going for mce pattern
Sep 09 23:57:06 <SpeedEvil> hmm
Sep 09 23:57:34 <SpeedEvil> strace
Sep 09 23:58:55 <DocScrutinizer51> e.g. fcam is known to mess up LP5523 so pretty thoroughly you not only see mce segfault but also need to *remove battery* to reset the led controller LP5523
Sep 09 23:59:17 <SpeedEvil> yeah - 'led blinker device' -> seg
Sep 09 23:59:30 <DocScrutinizer51> noobs
Sep 10 00:01:06 <SpeedEvil> though the last call is actually to /dev/fb1
Sep 10 00:01:10 <DocScrutinizer51> wtf is so damn hard to sed a new pattern into mce.ini and call that via mce dbus call like every proper app does?
Sep 10 00:02:26 <ieatlint> lol, local commuter train has massive delays because someone decided to drive their car down the train tracks
Sep 10 00:07:19 <pigeon> ieatlint: that's not such a bad idea actually... assuming the law allows that :)
Sep 10 00:07:58 <pigeon> seeing the trains are always delayed anyway...
Sep 10 00:08:05 <ieatlint> it does not, and the car did not get far before getting stuck
Sep 10 00:08:12 <genewitch> mmm half pound of grass fed beef and 2 free range chicken eggs for dinner
Sep 10 00:08:13 <genewitch> god DAMN
Sep 10 00:08:17 <pigeon> ieatlint: hahahahahaha
Sep 10 00:08:20 <genewitch> cooked in butter and coconut oil
Sep 10 00:08:25 <genewitch> nom. nom. NOM.
Sep 10 00:08:41 <ieatlint> i'd probably not be laughing if i had to take the train :)
Sep 10 00:08:44 <ieatlint> thankfully, i don't
Sep 10 00:09:47 <pigeon> i do, but i assume it's not the same country.
Sep 10 00:10:09 <ieatlint> probably not
Sep 10 00:10:40 <ieatlint> http://sfist.com/2010/09/09/whats_going_on_here_train_wannabe.php has a picture of the genius stuck on the tracks
Sep 10 00:38:36 <quanttrom> hello guys,.. I got the phone and I have to say my battery life is horrible. What do you to improve your battery life?
Sep 10 00:39:04 <quanttrom> I turned the screen brightness down, don't use a magnetic pouch, etc...all the standard stuff
Sep 10 00:39:21 <quanttrom> put on the autoconnection manager as well
Sep 10 00:39:27 <SpeedEvil> What do you use the phone for?
Sep 10 00:39:43 <SpeedEvil> 3g active internet connections are bad.
Sep 10 00:39:59 <quanttrom> well I have wifi at home and univ. so it is quite common it will be online (SKype/Gtalk)
Sep 10 00:40:02 <quanttrom> also
Sep 10 00:40:04 <SpeedEvil>  http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption Though I need to polish
Sep 10 00:40:19 <SpeedEvil> If you have powersaving enabled and working it does not use significant power
Sep 10 00:40:19 <quanttrom> I must use 3G because WIND does not have 2G
Sep 10 00:40:29 <SpeedEvil> wlan that is
Sep 10 00:40:37 <quanttrom> I am pretty sure it's Power savings is enabled on Wlan
Sep 10 00:40:51 <quanttrom> yes it is
Sep 10 00:40:52 <SpeedEvil> Some wlan routers do not peoperly supppport it, and cause it to use more power.
Sep 10 00:41:11 <asj> quanttrom: define horrible
Sep 10 00:44:01 <quanttrom> kk removed from charger at 9:45 AM
Sep 10 00:44:25 <quanttrom> using 3G but no data, some calls totalling maybe 10 mins
Sep 10 00:44:49 <quanttrom> wifi on for 4-5 hours
Sep 10 00:45:00 <quanttrom> 20-30 mins of internet radio
Sep 10 00:45:26 <quanttrom> and overall the phone has been on for ~10 hours
Sep 10 00:45:29 <quanttrom> battery is dead
Sep 10 00:45:48 <asj> how many im/skype/sip accounts?
Sep 10 00:45:55 <quanttrom> skype + gtalk
Sep 10 00:46:00 <quanttrom> so 2
Sep 10 00:46:04 <asj> sounds about right
Sep 10 00:46:19 <quanttrom> haha maybe my expectations were a little too high :)
Sep 10 00:46:35 <asj> shutdown skype, it eats about 25-75% bat/day
Sep 10 00:46:54 <asj> depends on how well skype network is doing that day
Sep 10 00:47:27 <quanttrom> hm interesting
Sep 10 00:47:37 <quanttrom> gtalk uses less, on average?
Sep 10 00:47:45 <asj> streaming audio is always hoggy too
Sep 10 00:48:24 <asj> gtalk I found uses 15-20%/day (I can't remember if I was counting a day as 24 hours or 18, but anyways)
Sep 10 00:48:57 <asj> that was idle and on wifi were powersavings worked
Sep 10 00:54:37 <quanttrom> oh, also I have it set to search for Wi-Fi connection every 30 mins. is that a power hog based on ur experience?
Sep 10 00:56:23 <asj> quanttrom: to give you an idea, no calls, maybe 1.5 hours of mp3 playing and IM and an idle phone, with good 3g coverage I have over 50% at night.  Start using the phone, say an hour of web browsing, talking on im several times through the day. Basically using it as a computer replacement I get about 10 hours.
Sep 10 00:56:46 <asj> quanttrom: no, I have mine at 5 or 10 mins
Sep 10 00:57:01 <quanttrom> alright thanks asj
Sep 10 00:57:09 <quanttrom> I think I'll go purchase a car charger now
Sep 10 00:59:59 <jpinx-eeepc> asj: I do the same and get a day out of the battery which is about 7 months old
Sep 10 01:00:48 <jpinx-eeepc> asj: and I leave about 6 applications running all the time to save time when i want to do some quick work in a bus or whatever
Sep 10 01:01:02 <asj> jpinx-eeepc: yeah, same here
Sep 10 01:01:16 <jpinx-eeepc> and wifi searches at 5 mins
Sep 10 01:01:34 * jpinx-eeepc can't afford data over the mobile network
Sep 10 01:02:00 * jpinx-eeepc needs a better wep cracker ;)
Sep 10 01:02:03 <asj> quanttrom: I would start with killing skype for a day and see how you go anyways.  Oh, and set it to 3g only so it doesn't search edge contantly.  There's a nice 3g switcher app
Sep 10 01:02:38 <quanttrom> asj: I'll kill skype and gtalk and see how that goes. also, my phone is set to 3G only from the settings. That's my only option
Sep 10 01:02:43 <jpinx-eeepc> ah - skype is probably your bogey quanttrom  - it is a real resource-hog
Sep 10 01:03:14 <jpinx-eeepc> even when it is sitting in the background it is churning away and munching bandwidth ;)
Sep 10 01:03:24 <asj> oh, and I have widgets running like crazy, omweather,fb,comic, etc
Sep 10 01:04:35 <jpinx-eeepc> asj: I have debian running in a chroot for irssi and bitlbee ;)
Sep 10 01:05:40 <SpeedEvil> skype wil do it
Sep 10 01:05:46 <jpinx-eeepc> and when I get to my "desk" I plug it into the usb on this eeepc and ssh/sshfs itno it for the bigger screen and kbd, but all the "stuff" is in the n900
Sep 10 01:05:48 <SpeedEvil> pretty much alone - as I understand it
Sep 10 01:06:21 <jpinx-eeepc> so my n900 really*is* my computer now :)
Sep 10 01:07:59 <pigeon> anyone here uses scim on their n900?
Sep 10 01:08:22 <pigeon> or i actually meant mscim.
Sep 10 01:14:42 <asj> during battery trials on pr1.2 with skype (which is much better than 1.0/1.1) it was doing well, about 25% down by 6pm, then skype had some network issue and you could see cpu time jump, network activity jump and the batt was dead by 10pm
Sep 10 01:28:01 <SpeedEvil> skype is p2p
Sep 10 01:28:17 <SpeedEvil> If you are routing others traffic in any way - it uses stupid power
Sep 10 01:32:04 <Sc0rpius> stupid question, but can you make VoIP through gtalk ?
Sep 10 01:32:18 <Sc0rpius> 'cos I've never even thought about that until I just read you guys talking about it
Sep 10 01:32:40 <MohammadAG51> i think you can do video calls too
Sep 10 01:32:56 <Sc0rpius> geez... that's what I get for lazyness to try things
Sep 10 01:33:14 <ieatlint> Sc0rpius: gtalk 2 gtalk voip only at the moment though
Sep 10 01:33:17 <Sc0rpius> I didn't even know gtalk had video calls, I know Skype does, 'cos I use it heavily on my desktop
Sep 10 01:33:22 <ieatlint> no calling phone numbers
Sep 10 01:33:39 <Sc0rpius> alas, I didn't know gtalk could call phone numbers either (even on a desktop)
Sep 10 01:33:47 <Sc0rpius> wow Skype brainwashed me
Sep 10 01:34:21 <ieatlint> it can't exactly  -- it can in the US from gmail only, not even the official gtalk apps support phone calls yet
Sep 10 01:34:32 <Sc0rpius> oh ok
Sep 10 01:34:45 <Sc0rpius> I think I read about it in digg
Sep 10 01:35:08 <ieatlint> yeah, google voice support in gmail.. bizarrely implemented
Sep 10 01:35:41 <ieatlint> i can make phone calls from gmail, but not google voice? weird shit
Sep 10 01:37:23 <genewitch> what is the difference between google voice and making phone calls
Sep 10 01:37:59 <genewitch> you can forward txt to your gmail and use the gvoice in there to reply
Sep 10 01:38:04 <ieatlint> in gmail, with google voice, i can make and receive phone calls without having a phone
Sep 10 01:38:16 <genewitch> google voice isn't a sip service though
Sep 10 01:38:20 <genewitch> how can you receive phone calls
Sep 10 01:38:38 <ieatlint> http://www.google.com/chat/voice/
Sep 10 01:40:10 <ieatlint> http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/call-phones-from-gmail.html for the official announcement and full details
Sep 10 01:51:32 <RST38h> Hmm, ARM jumps from CortexA9 straight to CortexA15
Sep 10 02:00:59 <microlith> it's 6x better, of course
Sep 10 02:01:02 <quanttrom> another question. I installed the Open SSH client + server and the "SSH Status and Switcher" that adds a button so u can turn the SSH server on and off
Sep 10 02:01:26 <quanttrom> I tried removing the S55ssh scripts from rc?.d but sshd is still started every time the phone boots up
Sep 10 02:01:30 <quanttrom> what am I doing wrong?
Sep 10 02:04:42 <johnx> could it be the because it's wired into upstart?
Sep 10 02:17:19 <quanttrom> thanks johnx , I'm used to the old sysv, just read up on upstart
Sep 10 02:17:47 <johnx> yeah me too
Sep 10 02:18:00 <johnx> it's even weirder since we're in this transition period where both appear to work
Sep 10 02:37:08 <quanttrom> somebody asked the same question in the forums
Sep 10 02:37:14 <quanttrom> I'll give 'em my..hack..
Sep 10 02:38:31 <iluminator101> hi i cant login my google voice from n900 why?
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