**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 05 02:59:57 2010 Oct 05 03:01:04 pupnik: That's `homemade'?! Oct 05 03:03:16 you know they've got something like that where I like, but paradoxically it costs more than a joy-flight in a real aircraft Oct 05 03:04:13 s/like/live Oct 05 03:05:42 heh Oct 05 03:08:14 they were running an older version of MS FS due to licensing issues with FSX apparently, and constantly had issues with the three or four networked Windows PCs that made it work Oct 05 03:09:41 a lot of fun though, a real ultra-light and a big backyard would be even better Oct 05 03:10:51 why not flightgear Oct 05 03:11:48 ds3: ? Oct 05 03:13:50 flightgear is opensource, IIRC Oct 05 03:17:19 I think he said they were running FS 2k3, probably a more polished product than FlightGear Oct 05 03:22:05 If someone could port FlightGear to the N900, you could connect it to a big-screen TV and use the accel. sensors as the yolk Oct 05 04:59:40 grr Oct 05 04:59:51 i hate it when the bookmarks UI doesn't show the URL bar Oct 05 05:04:21 Does anyone else's N900 stutter the first few seconds of an audio track? Oct 05 05:08:24 yes Oct 05 05:09:09 Have you ever managed to fix it? It's embarrassing with company Oct 05 05:12:06 does it only happen with built-in audio player gggs ? Oct 05 05:13:21 pupnik: I'm not entirely sure, I'll have to try it with mplayer next time Oct 05 05:15:36 It's like, "Hey my phone is awesome, it's got a 32GB SSD and plays most formats! Watch" *play* "I wo,o,o,o,uld do anythi,i,i,i,ing" Oct 05 05:17:48 maybe its just swapping? Oct 05 05:17:49 bbl Oct 05 05:19:06 Well that's what I thought, but even with nothing else happening and vm params set, it seems to skip at the start of tracks, and occasionally through them Oct 05 05:22:19 moo,all Oct 05 05:33:25 gggs: to make it worse, it's not a phone and is *supposed* to be able to play videos ;/ Oct 05 05:33:41 that being said, mine hasn't had any issues playing most normal files Oct 05 05:34:01 just the insane uncompressed video I captured at the full 5 MP from the N900 cam Oct 05 05:36:17 I've played XviD movies through the TV-out, and they came out alright, if not a little less smooth, H.264 gets maybe 5-10 fps, but skipping during mp3/ogg playback...?! Oct 05 05:37:14 gggs: it seems to do that while dimming the screen or turning it off (the screen) Oct 05 05:37:15 600MHz isn't much, but my old 486 could playback audio without skipping... with a SB16 Oct 05 05:37:51 gggs: 486 DX or SX? Oct 05 05:37:58 Well actually, I don't know if that's true for the media player but it is when listening to grooveshark with the groove app Oct 05 05:38:32 TermanaDesire: Yea I've noticed that too, also sometimes while updating cellular position Oct 05 05:38:51 luke-jr: 486DX2-66! Oct 05 05:39:03 gggs: try it on SX Oct 05 05:39:14 with Linux, X11, etc :P Oct 05 05:39:47 keep in mind Windows NT could do almost everything we do today on 16 MB RAM Oct 05 05:39:52 was your 486 running a multitasking OS at the time? you ever look at the quality of mp3s now and back in 1992 you will see a problem with playing those on a 486 Oct 05 05:40:16 there were mp3s in 1992? :) Oct 05 05:40:24 yeah maybe not... Oct 05 05:40:27 … Oct 05 05:40:33 can't remember Oct 05 05:40:36 I don't recall MP3 changing at any time Oct 05 05:40:45 wiki says 1993 Oct 05 05:40:47 heh Oct 05 05:40:59 today the average bitrate might be 160 kbit, but it started out at 128 kbit Oct 05 05:41:03 not much difference really Oct 05 05:41:05 but back then it was mostly modules for me at least Oct 05 05:41:10 I could playback Quicktime movies on it, I used to get demo CDs with magazines Oct 05 05:41:23 uhhh Oct 05 05:41:28 CDs on a 486? Oct 05 05:41:29 if you look at the mp3 decoder settings in winamp for example, its got settings "full, half, quarter" to downsample toe output for your sweet 486 or whatever Oct 05 05:41:36 I used to play a CD game on a 286 Oct 05 05:41:45 the kind where there's prerendered scenes Oct 05 05:41:48 Myst is that old? Oct 05 05:42:00 myst is pretty old Oct 05 05:42:09 which reminds me http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/10/4/ Oct 05 05:42:10 I thought Myst+CD was like Pentium age Oct 05 05:42:22 then again n900 has a DSP so it shouldn't skip on mp3s if the OS is threaded correctly and the diskIO isn't too high Oct 05 05:42:30 or maybe I'm thinking burner Oct 05 05:42:40 I had myst when I had a 486 I think. the game I played on the 286 was some other game Oct 05 05:42:53 joga: Myst is like the first CD game… Oct 05 05:43:05 or uh...maybe it was a 386 but really low mhz Oct 05 05:43:13 luke-jr_, I wouldn't bet on that Oct 05 05:43:13 The Millers began working on Myst in 1991 and released it for the Macintosh computer on September 24, 1993 Oct 05 05:43:31 but I didn't buy myst when it was released :) Oct 05 05:43:38 joga: it was at least the killer app Oct 05 05:43:50 CD-ROM became mainstream *because* of Myst Oct 05 05:43:50 the version I had was in russian Oct 05 05:44:03 imagine the confusion .. Oct 05 05:44:14 (I'm not russian) :) Oct 05 05:44:22 … Oct 05 05:44:44 anyhow, back before Myst everyone used floppies Oct 05 05:44:54 they only went out and bought CD-ROM drives to play Myst Oct 05 05:44:55 some people still use floppies for some reason Oct 05 05:47:04 just do a raid0 floppy array Oct 05 05:47:06 it's awesome Oct 05 05:47:24 God-damn I hated floppy disks, thanks for bringing that piece of history up Oct 05 05:47:32 * luke-jr_ smacks ieatlint Oct 05 05:47:47 "The disk you have inserted is not formatted, would you like to format it now?" Oct 05 05:47:48 and gggs Oct 05 05:47:53 :P Oct 05 05:48:08 gggs: funny, Maemo gives me a similar message every boot… Oct 05 05:48:18 just calls it MicroSD Oct 05 05:49:17 True, I think I killed a 1-yr-old mSD card a few months ago under the same circumstances Oct 05 05:54:48 I still think it's impressive that my N900 has more processing power, higher resolution screen, megabit networking, and more storage than some PC's I've had in the past Oct 05 05:55:45 Although Nokia could release an `N350' consisting of a bash shell and I'd still be happy Oct 05 06:00:28 eh... a standard arduino/atmel that can be the size of a pack of gum and run several hours on a coin battery is roughly comparable in power to a 286 Oct 05 06:00:34 and costs ~$15 Oct 05 06:01:13 granted, the $600 n900 is comparable in power to a standard computer from around 2001... Oct 05 06:01:32 but it can't play skifree :( Oct 05 06:02:56 .... Oct 05 06:02:58 damnit Oct 05 06:03:06 fullscreen Jezzball for the N900 Oct 05 06:03:08 killer. app. Oct 05 06:03:29 Does it need to run SkiFree? Duke3d ftw Oct 05 06:04:33 i'm pretty sure it'll run duke nukem forever when it comes out Oct 05 06:09:52 ieatlint: EasyDebian + WINE + skifree.exe? Oct 05 06:10:43 you gotta love the flexibility of N900, make a phone call, surf the net through it and then being able to ssh into the device Oct 05 06:14:08 i don't feel like perverting my device quite that much Oct 05 06:14:31 you forgot about have call cut in the middle because watchdog decides to reboot Oct 05 06:15:13 * wmarone tries to remember the last time the watchdog rebooted his phone Oct 05 06:20:30 psycho_oreos: I have moments where I'll be watching mp4 lectures on my N900, connected to the uni's wifi, with a browser in the background, running Skype, a graphics calculator, my schedule, and sending sms at the same time, and still be struck with awe at the neatness of it Oct 05 06:22:01 gggs, its the cool things that a real multitasking OS with a decent hardware specs can get you these days :) Oct 05 06:22:58 good morning Oct 05 06:24:38 g'day Oct 05 06:25:23 evening Oct 05 06:29:20 psycho_oreos: It is :) My old Nokia 6300 single-tasking started irritating me, so I got an N78, which mostly sucked but multi-tasking was neat, and I've been happy with my N900 since I got it 3 months ago Oct 05 06:29:57 sivang: Afternoon Oct 05 06:30:39 gggs, similar story to mine except I lost my motorola v3 and got meself N95-1 (which sucked, if I did get rid of it I would have said good riddance but alas n900 doesn't have some of the goodies here and there from n95-1) and now n900 Oct 05 06:32:18 psycho_oreos: what goodies are you missing? Oct 05 06:32:34 psycho_oreos: I had a V600, which I think had similar firmware to the V3, I'm surprised you hated the N95 Oct 05 06:33:04 yes, N95 is well appreciated among power users and hackers of all sorts of hats. Oct 05 06:33:28 sivang, alarm clock doesn't do workdays :) it'll still sound on weekends and so I can't really turn that off easily, there's another thing that I also forgot and then there's pynetmony Oct 05 06:34:53 gggs, I hated because it was a phone that gave me nothing but pain.. it crashed alot, then it won't allow me to multitask properly.. and the OS was a hard nut to work with.. can't install programs without signing them.. and they have to be signed before they can be installed.. I had to literally crack the phone.. plus camera/video shutter sounds.. lame.. cannot be disbaled Oct 05 06:35:05 s/disbaled/disabled/ Oct 05 06:35:05 psycho_oreos meant: gggs, I hated because it was a phone that gave me nothing but pain.. it crashed alot, then it won't allow me to multitask properly.. and the OS was a hard nut to work with.. can't install programs without signing them.. and they have to be signed before t... Oct 05 06:35:08 The Moto' had the worst predictive text ever invented, you'd be typing something like `predictive', but after the `v' it would become `jkfccjqr' Oct 05 06:35:54 I always turn predictive typing off, never liked it since day one with ericsson t39mc using T9 dictionary Oct 05 06:36:01 psycho_oreos: you can choose the days you want to alarm to go off so choose all of them excluding the weekend :) Oct 05 06:36:15 psycho_oreos: pynetmoney is the net monitoring tool? Oct 05 06:37:30 it's easy to say that something 5 year old was bad, but did you have any better options that time? Oct 05 06:37:56 sivang, well put it this way, I have multiple alarms going off sequentially (at 10 minute intervals) and I can't simply go around unsetting weekdays by hand once I'm fully awake.. I must turn them off as the alarms keeps on sounding one by one.. on n95-1 I could just unset the day that I was on and that I'm awake as not a working day and the rest of the alarms won't continue to sound Oct 05 06:38:09 sivang, yes, albeit active Oct 05 06:38:29 psycho_oreos: huh... sneeze Oct 05 06:38:41 Surfa, had I knew about it I would have gotten old htc phone (running linux) Oct 05 06:38:52 kerio, ? Oct 05 06:39:45 and you're sure that would have been better option? Oct 05 06:40:20 psycho_oreos: That's similar to what I found with the N78, although I've heard the N95 had horrible battery life. I know what you mean by closed OS, you couldn't even do basic modifications like remove the useless `share online' icon from the homescreen Oct 05 06:40:34 Surfa, I'm sure I would have been alot happier than dealing with the likes of signed packages and having to install things like ROMpatcher (which could brick yer phone easily) just to get things to work the way that I want Oct 05 06:40:41 hmhm, does someone know if it's possible to get guess location from a random ip using geoclue? Oct 05 06:41:15 Corsac, why not? Oct 05 06:41:27 psycho_oreos: the mony thing not open source just freeware right? Oct 05 06:41:36 gggs, there's lot more than just that but you get what I mean.. my brother now has a x6-16GB which I played not long ago.. it seems to have opened up a little but I bet its still very restrictive Oct 05 06:41:43 But for it's time, it was a groundbreaking phone, it's just than compared to Maemo, Symbian looks older than MacOS 9 Oct 05 06:41:49 Surfa: it seems that the api doesn't provide a way to give it IP address Oct 05 06:42:10 Surfa: I'm not too sure but it seems that it'll only pick the address of the currently routed interface or something Oct 05 06:42:25 sivang, its open source, the whole thing is written in python but the number of packages one must sign and install in order to get all the functions of the pynetmony working can be a little daunting Oct 05 06:42:32 psycho_oreos: You can sign .sis files with your own certificate, but you have to go to a Chinese website to get one Oct 05 06:42:39 psycho_oreos: installing apps to symbian is undergoing revamping. you can self sign or even get you built apps signed by ovi for free IIRC Oct 05 06:42:52 gggs, yeah I found that out later on.. its still alot of hassle.. that opda site Oct 05 06:42:59 Corsac, it appears that you're right.. Oct 05 06:43:07 psycho_oreos: nice, and you're sure you did not find this for N900? I might take a try and package it / port it Oct 05 06:43:40 sivang, too bad I've already got my share and had enough of dealing with symbian and its tight arse procedures Oct 05 06:44:39 Surfa: ok, so I guess I'd need to ask hostip directly Oct 05 06:45:11 sivang, there's no equivalent..the devs on that project moved onto android and the software is known as gmon.. alas n900 has the capability of passive monitoring for wifi which is probably more ideal to harness than using active probing.. I constantly dream the idea of porting it across to n900 but too much projects on my hand right now Oct 05 06:45:49 There were some really nice applications for S60v3 that aren't really matched by N900. Ovi Maps for instance, SportsTracker Oct 05 06:46:23 ovi maps is a laughing farce really.. ovi team just seems to be so obnoxious on their stance with n900 users Oct 05 06:47:05 I avoid anything Ovi* like the plague, but Ovi Maps was a nice application, especially with voice guidance Oct 05 06:47:07 n95-1 (sorry you must pay for turn by turn navigation).. n900 (sorry turn-by-turn isn't available for your device).. epic fail Oct 05 06:48:16 well beyond ludicrous Oct 05 06:48:54 they'll just charge whichever type owners they choose and because n900 is a niche market running linux.. they probably just don't have time.. like their ovi store Oct 05 06:48:59 I was in love with the Female(British) voice Oct 05 06:49:28 gggs: TMI Oct 05 06:50:13 and most of the ovi stuff is literally made for windows.. so they just shrug off linux users/n900 owners Oct 05 06:50:20 Come on, it was a cute British accent ``Turn... right at the next... intersection'' Oct 05 06:50:59 I never heard of it but I'd say that'd be cool for espeaktime :D Oct 05 06:51:17 ``You have reached your destination'' made me feel like I'd found a secret level of Tomb Raider Oct 05 06:53:14 psycho_oreos: it would probably be nice to have the GSM and UMTS probing , is passive probing availabel there as well ? (-is this like promiscious mode?) Oct 05 06:54:48 sivang, afaik for pynetmony gsm/umts were passive but it doesn't log nearby stations servicing other areas or other network providers.. it only shows and logs your own network info and the current one you are on. Oct 05 06:55:05 psycho_oreos: okay, good enough Oct 05 06:56:18 sivang, wlan and bt probing were both active type probing (I've verified the wlan portion and I'm sure you can't really passively monitor bt unless you have a specific chipset, specific subtype of a chipset and special firmware) Oct 05 06:58:16 psycho_oreos: okay, thanks for the info. I'll look it up, it being python could help make the porting quicker but not sure until I see the source. Oct 05 06:58:38 the cool thing with pynetmony was also the ability to work with GPS receiver, if you have that on yer phone and you have installed the .sis package for GPS, you can see where roughly the APs, BTs and Cell Towers were along with exporting them out to .kml (only for wlan) Oct 05 06:59:09 that sounds like kismet circa 2002 Oct 05 06:59:53 kismet only does wlan however unless you get bt addon but even at that there's no cellular/mobile tower tracking :) Oct 05 07:00:34 that's true, but towers aren't exactly state secrets and bluetooth devices tend to be ... mobile Oct 05 07:00:41 anyway, I'm off to get some coffee and breakfast. Oct 05 07:00:44 but I'm just a cranky old man :) Oct 05 07:02:03 towers are usually company secrets but not at a high level imo.. they don't have a public listing of cell phone towers, their exact MNID, etc addresses, co-ordinates :) and bluetooth well, computers, GPS nav devices, etc uses bluetooth Oct 05 07:02:37 (opencellid can provide some information) Oct 05 07:02:58 I suppose so. I just hoped that the state of the art had advanced a bit more than it has in the last 8 years Oct 05 07:03:03 but it is quite interesting to see what sort of bluetooth names you get just by scanning and logging them, the names usually. Same goes with the names of APs Oct 05 07:03:17 * psycho_oreos has never heard of opencellid Oct 05 07:05:13 psycho_oreos: here's there's a map of all the towers and which company they belong to, environment preservation policy Oct 05 07:05:50 sivang, btw http://sites.google.com/site/pynetmony/home Oct 05 07:39:56 was there a lightning strike near a freenode server, because my entire screen is full of ping timeouts and join messages Oct 05 07:41:10 doesn't take much to fill a n900 screen ;) Oct 05 07:41:12 no idea but it could have been anything including latency issues Oct 05 07:42:21 jpinx-eeepc: You're reading this on an N900, or an eeepc? Oct 05 07:43:04 eeepc since 5 minutes ago Oct 05 07:43:16 * jpinx-eeepc needs to change his nick more accurately Oct 05 07:44:08 jpinx-eeepc, please don't Oct 05 07:44:42 seriously, everyone, stop thinking you're so important that everyone in the rooms you share needs to know at any instant where you are, and what you use. Oct 05 07:45:00 It's pretty much the same as people tweeting "Taking a crap" Oct 05 07:45:46 the best solutions are always technological. /ignore nicks parts quits :-) Oct 05 07:46:00 the xephyr part of refuses to start for me, anybody an idea what to check besides the obvious yet odd params change for tinyX and X ? Oct 05 07:46:03 or /ban idiotswithstupidchangingnicknames. Oct 05 07:46:04 http://paste.pocoo.org/show/271207/ Oct 05 07:46:13 but but tweeting taking a crap is such a nice feature :D Oct 05 07:46:16 crashanddie, no one cares that you care. Oct 05 07:46:22 * gggs changes name to gggs-servicing_your_mum Oct 05 07:47:22 gggs, I would recommend you don't do that too often unless you want to be banned ad vita eternam Oct 05 07:47:45 anyways. it does make sense in the case of being on a phone, where your typing speed is affected and you don't want people to keep sending you youtube links Oct 05 07:47:52 right, so loosing -kb works Oct 05 07:48:03 how loose? Oct 05 07:48:21 see. I didn't rise to the bait Oct 05 07:48:23 johnx, well, having two nicknames is fine, and use whichever is appropriate Oct 05 07:48:41 johnx, but don't go switching continuously between the two is all I'm asking. Oct 05 07:48:48 i support unprovoked agro attacks of people as well Oct 05 07:48:50 yes sir. thank you sir Oct 05 07:48:59 especially when their actions in no way actually affect me Oct 05 07:49:20 :P Oct 05 07:49:39 i feel that my two statements there are truisms Oct 05 07:49:43 see, since we know he's on a netbook with flakey wifi, we knew he'd get disconnected sooner or later :D Oct 05 07:50:08 I don't actually see joins/parts :P Oct 05 07:50:34 I see ping timeouts. they're everywhere. some of them don't even realize they timed out ... Oct 05 07:50:40 crashanddie: haha, I did it again :-p Oct 05 07:51:00 I'm really starting to hate geolocation based on IP :( Oct 05 07:51:15 crashanddie: why? Oct 05 07:51:22 having to set it up for something? Oct 05 07:51:32 man, flash sucks ass... it appears to have crashed on my desktop, so it has an artefact about 300x500 pixels that's blocking the screen on all my workspaces, and the only way to get it to go away appears to be to kill my browser... but i don't want to close everything i have Oct 05 07:51:37 because I'm getting all the crappy results when searching google. I don't care about french results, i want english. Oct 05 07:51:57 ieatlint: no session saver plugin? Oct 05 07:52:13 cehteh: eh.. it does, but it never is too elegant about it Oct 05 07:52:26 ieatlint, kill the subprocess that's drawing it? Oct 05 07:52:34 also: flashblock Oct 05 07:52:59 yeah, have flashblock on n900 and my laptop... i don't know why i don't here Oct 05 07:53:05 probably because i'm awesome like that Oct 05 07:53:53 and it's running inside chromium so i can't just kill the process Oct 05 07:54:08 sivang, shouldn't -kb be -keybd Oct 05 07:54:23 -keybd driver [,,options] Specify the keyboard driver and its options Oct 05 07:54:28 crashanddie: should file a bug report ? Oct 05 07:54:45 dunno Oct 05 07:54:55 I don't even have any clue as to what this stuff is :P Oct 05 07:55:15 I'm just reading the help section of tinyx, and seeing there's -keybd rather than -kb :p Oct 05 07:55:18 ugh. kdrive. ugh Oct 05 07:56:17 a fair number of the arguments are documented by 'strings X | less' Oct 05 07:57:33 hi Oct 05 07:57:37 I feel like an idiot Oct 05 07:57:41 I don't use git often... Oct 05 07:57:51 what'd'ya need? Oct 05 07:57:54 And now I want to do a local commit (not a push) Oct 05 07:58:06 git commit -a -m "My message" Oct 05 07:58:09 I have some modified files, and one untracked file which I don't want to be committed Oct 05 07:58:28 git commit -m "my commit message" gives me a list of changed files, but doesn't commit them Oct 05 07:58:50 git add Oct 05 07:58:54 git commit -m "my message" Oct 05 07:59:02 bleh, s/siles/files/ Oct 05 07:59:15 git commit -m "message" -uno doesn't do much better Oct 05 07:59:16 only list the files you want to add Oct 05 07:59:22 ieatlint, This is on a git clone Oct 05 07:59:23 dneary, pastebin output of git status Oct 05 07:59:35 Ah - perhaps I need to do a git branch first to create a local branch Oct 05 07:59:51 git doesn't have concepts of read-only repos Oct 05 08:00:01 so you should be able to commit, even if it's a clone. Oct 05 08:00:06 ah.. i'm not nearly as proficient at git as i'd like :P Oct 05 08:00:19 read the pro git book Oct 05 08:00:22 get a github account Oct 05 08:00:26 experiment Oct 05 08:00:30 repeat Oct 05 08:00:42 merlincorey, This is a git clone of a gitorious repository :) Oct 05 08:01:06 merlincorey, want to really understand git? Then try to install gitorious locally :) Oct 05 08:01:08 dneary: is gitorious like gitolite? Oct 05 08:01:16 merlincorey, And (since I'm not quite a neophyte here) I was hoping that I'd just missed something silly in initialisation Oct 05 08:01:22 merlincorey, no, gitorious is like github, a hosting service Oct 05 08:01:23 And I believe that would be git branch Oct 05 08:01:31 merlincorey, but they only allow open source hosting. Oct 05 08:01:54 gitolite will let you do repository hosting with read only access and control of branches too Oct 05 08:02:02 check it out on github Oct 05 08:02:12 crashanddie, http://pastebin.ca/1954607 Oct 05 08:02:28 wtf Oct 05 08:02:35 pastebin.ca is blocked my antivirus? Oct 05 08:02:40 merlincorey, Not really helping... Oct 05 08:03:08 dneary: oic Oct 05 08:03:10 dneary: excuse me Oct 05 08:03:14 dneary: let me not really help some more Oct 05 08:03:54 merlincorey, I appreciate your time, really Oct 05 08:04:08 dneary: thanks, me too - have a good night and good luck Oct 05 08:04:11 I need to pass out Oct 05 08:04:17 dneary, echo "ds.patch" >> .gitignore Oct 05 08:04:23 dneary, git add . Oct 05 08:04:30 dneary, git commit -a -m "message" Oct 05 08:04:48 merlincorey, Just - I'd have preferred if you started with a question (maybe to figure out whether I knew anything at all) before launching into "read a book, spend a few hours experimenting" Oct 05 08:04:55 or alternatively, git add for all the files you wish to track Oct 05 08:04:55 crashanddie, I don't need to create a branch first? Oct 05 08:04:58 nope Oct 05 08:05:05 you can Oct 05 08:05:07 if you want to Oct 05 08:05:09 but it's not required Oct 05 08:05:32 git branch keyword Oct 05 08:05:37 then git add, etc Oct 05 08:05:48 git will carry the changes over to the new branch until commited Oct 05 08:06:13 hehehe Oct 05 08:06:23 Do I also need to add .gitignore to .gitignore? :) Oct 05 08:06:38 again, you can, not required. Oct 05 08:06:52 most repos have their own .gitignore, which is useless clutter. i like to include it personally Oct 05 08:06:57 Ah - without it, I'm getting the same thing (.gitignore untracked file) Oct 05 08:07:27 (i like to include .gitignore inside .gitignore so I don't annoy others with it) Oct 05 08:08:14 Still getting the list of modified files, but not seeing a new commit being created Oct 05 08:08:24 did you git add? Oct 05 08:08:25 Morning, all Oct 05 08:08:55 dneary, either git add ., or git commit -a Oct 05 08:08:56 Do I need to, after "git clone ; git checkout -b working;"? Oct 05 08:09:11 not necessarily Oct 05 08:09:18 err, wait, what Oct 05 08:11:11 So -a is pretty much always necessary when you're committing, then? I don't get it Oct 05 08:11:34 No, it just tells git to include all the files that it noticed have been added Oct 05 08:12:01 Normally afterwards, you shouldn't have to include it anymore Oct 05 08:12:31 just add a newline to the end of index.html to see if it works Oct 05 08:13:25 basically, -a = "All the local changes" Oct 05 08:13:27 Nope - doesn't commit Oct 05 08:13:40 Without -a or the git add, it is the equivalent of git status Oct 05 08:13:45 Which is a bit weird :) Oct 05 08:13:51 I can live with it, though Oct 05 08:13:57 or if you only want to commit a single file, git add , then git commit Oct 05 08:14:17 Works if I just put the filename on the command line Oct 05 08:14:19 I'm explaining badly, you ought to get a book written by someone who knows how to hold a thought for more than 5 seconds. Oct 05 08:14:31 crashanddie, You've been very helpful. Thanks. Oct 05 08:14:33 dneary: "git add" allows you to build up your shopping basket of things to commit. Oct 05 08:14:48 Jaffa, Yeah, I'm getting the general idea now Oct 05 08:14:57 It doesn't work like svn ci... Oct 05 08:15:01 * Jaffa is still very much a git noob. Oct 05 08:15:54 dneary, I have this printed on 4 * A3 pages on my wall: http://ktown.kde.org/~zrusin/git/git-cheat-sheet-large.png Oct 05 08:16:26 Hi folks, good morning Oct 05 08:23:32 More perhaps a Linux question: How do I get aware on the computer, when (and that) my N900 got connected via USB cable? Just by tracing the /var/log/messages file? I need to trigger (some) actions as soon as the littleBugger got attached ... Oct 05 08:23:56 peb: lsusb? Oct 05 08:23:58 peb, dbus Oct 05 08:24:19 lusb would be simpler, but I guess you'd have to poll ... Oct 05 08:32:44 Thanks crashanddie Oct 05 08:33:54 moo johnx Oct 05 08:33:58 m00f RST38h Oct 05 08:34:35 RST38h, maybe you'd know. why am I up at 1:30AM? Oct 05 08:41:00 johnx: You are not up. Oct 05 08:41:24 johnx: You are either asleep (and we are all a dream) or dead (and then I have no idea what I am doing here) Oct 05 08:41:59 worse than that. I'm manually applying patches to my kernel ... Oct 05 08:42:01 bah, 1:30 is early Oct 05 08:42:04 the bars are still open Oct 05 08:42:26 ieatlint, out of curiosity, how much do you sleep per night? Oct 05 08:42:41 uh, ~8 Oct 05 08:42:44 http://xkcd.com/361/ Oct 05 09:00:39 mgedmin: any chance of getting "dict" (for Fremantle) promoted from extras-devel to extras-testing? Oct 05 09:03:07 thp: So, Symbian^3 still requires Avkon, even in Qt programs? Oct 05 09:06:53 RST38h: for things like fixing screen rotation, i think so Oct 05 09:08:43 thp: Yes, but you also had to do CAknAppUi? Oct 05 09:10:10 RST38h: no, i just did a copy'n'paste of that snippet - everything else is just qt. Oct 05 09:10:19 hmm...ok Oct 05 09:11:25 http://www.talouselama.fi/uutiset/article511334.ece Oct 05 09:11:28 heya wazd Oct 05 09:12:11 Consistent exchange of dates, Nokia will continue. MeeGo business responded Ari Jaaksi last week announced to leave the company, Ilta-Sanomat said on Tuesday. Oct 05 09:12:31 :O Oct 05 09:12:32 (sorry for Google Translate messing it upa bit) Oct 05 09:17:34 RST38h: Erk Oct 05 09:20:03 hrm? Oct 05 09:20:09 Well, we kinda heard about it last week from a finnish guy, right? Oct 05 09:20:16 So it was true in the end Oct 05 09:20:22 who was it? Oct 05 09:20:40 actually, doesn't matter. Oct 05 09:20:54 siivvvaannng Oct 05 09:20:55 sivang: doesn't matter Oct 05 09:21:20 hey TermanaN900 :) Oct 05 09:21:27 TermanaN900: did I miss yet another internet meme? :-p Oct 05 09:22:01 sivang, the meme was bad. Not knowing who Ari is, that is a bannable offence! :p Oct 05 09:22:17 TermanaN900: head of meego devices Oct 05 09:22:26 TermanaN900: I know who he is! Oct 05 09:22:37 TermanaN900: I just didn't know who said he'll be living, that's all :) Oct 05 09:22:40 who is ari? Oct 05 09:22:47 Stskeeps, well done, you have earnt you're golden star Oct 05 09:22:49 TermanaN900: and I've been following his posts Oct 05 09:22:54 * RST38h points in the general direction of google.com Oct 05 09:22:54 ;p Oct 05 09:23:03 your* Oct 05 09:23:26 Stskeeps, please note to people that I do know who he is, everybody who ever saw a Nokia MeeGo devices or first heard of N900 back then knows who Ari is :) Oct 05 09:23:41 sivang, then why did you ask who it was ;p Oct 05 09:23:42 err: Oct 05 09:23:54 Termana: Apparently, he though it was funny Oct 05 09:23:55 TermanaN900: I asked who was the guy who announced it unofficially :) Oct 05 09:24:12 sivang, suuurreee :p Oct 05 09:24:18 11:18 < RST38h> Well, we kinda heard about it last week from a finnish guy, right? Oct 05 09:24:21 It's a *bit* unnerving. Oct 05 09:24:40 Anyway, why are so many people leaving Nokia? :p Oct 05 09:24:51 humm Oct 05 09:24:57 so I thought that was some finnish guy who leaked this here on the channel Oct 05 09:24:59 losing thei faith I suppose Oct 05 09:25:06 Jaffa: You mean, more unnerving than droppipng support for the current phone, deprecating the next phone even before it has been released, and promising some "new" meego device at some unspecified point in the future? Oct 05 09:25:36 * RST38h cackles evilly, Shelob-style Oct 05 09:25:39 RST38h: Fair point Oct 05 09:26:24 RST38h, traitor Oct 05 09:26:28 ;p Oct 05 09:26:44 does it really matter if someone leaves or stays? Oct 05 09:27:09 I mean, I don't think it is something to worry about. Oct 05 09:27:41 pure speculation: jaaksi leaving could be positioned in the transition where Qt is aimed to become the dominant internal development platform, not only as the platform being developed, but also as basis for the internally developed applications (think of Symbian^4 bundled applications and so on) Oct 05 09:27:46 sivang, well i mean, 3 people in higher positions have left, so :p Oct 05 09:28:18 the organization of things would be expected to change at that point anyway Oct 05 09:28:33 TermanaN900: which should probably be more concered at the lower level of people exchange as this truly can affect quality of releases and the software in general. Oct 05 09:28:39 kirma: indeed Oct 05 09:28:52 Qt is the platform from that point, not really Symbian or MeeGo/Harmattan Oct 05 09:29:14 Anyway, I'll be more worried if Nokia introduces any Windows phones Oct 05 09:29:15 sivang: Engineers need empassioned leadership. Oct 05 09:29:23 but I tend to see many things regarding changes inside Nokia in slightly too optimistic light. Oct 05 09:29:32 Jaffa: true, not saying it is not important, still... Oct 05 09:29:52 sivang: And bad leadership causes your engineers to leave ;-) Oct 05 09:30:07 Jaffa: was that Ari Jaaksi a great leader? Oct 05 09:30:19 where there's a change, there's promise Oct 05 09:30:25 i'm more curious who the replacemnt would be Oct 05 09:30:27 we need to embrace Oct 05 09:30:56 hmph, is ari jaaksi the man who irced here using nick konttori? Oct 05 09:31:05 no Oct 05 09:31:10 okay Oct 05 09:31:19 hrh Oct 05 09:31:22 heh even Oct 05 09:31:53 great leader... like kim il jong? ;) Oct 05 09:32:47 Jaffa: I'm not sure that's a good trait for an engineer. I've been in a lot of places where leadership was crap, but those who had patience and embraced change in leadership profited. Oct 05 09:33:24 sivang, except that bad leadership causes poor visibility, poor planning, and inherently, poor products Oct 05 09:33:37 nokia has lots of horribly bad middle management and culture that hasn't worked too much to solve that problem, that's no secret Oct 05 09:33:52