**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 09 02:59:57 2010
Oct 09 03:01:11 <misc--> is there a way to start a program automatically when a certain network interface starts?
Oct 09 03:03:42 <TermanaN900> misc--, shouldn't you be able to take advantage of upstart for that?
Oct 09 03:04:05 <misc--> ahh maybe... I will check it out
Oct 09 03:09:57 * DocScrutinizer51 mumbles ifup
Oct 09 03:20:43 <air> who here loves finding memory leaks and wants to do it for me? :)
Oct 09 05:18:05 <LiraNuna> http://www.intomobile.com/2010/10/04/nokia-n9-hardware-is-nearly-perfect/
Oct 09 05:18:06 <LiraNuna> :O
Oct 09 05:21:32 <ikke-t> is it safe to run diablo sdk installer on top of fremantle sdk? or should it be done installing manually using root-straps?
Oct 09 05:22:24 <ikke-t> i want to have both envs, and already have fremantle....
Oct 09 06:07:29 <spinningcompass> ikke-t: The framework supports both, I think. You can switch between them w/ sbmenu
Oct 09 06:08:43 * MohammadAG51 hates the MeeGo UI
Oct 09 06:09:43 <MohammadAG51> seriously, fremantle's UI owns it
Oct 09 06:10:22 <psycho_oreos> alas N9's unreleased hardware is much cooler than n900's imo
Oct 09 06:12:33 <MohammadAG51> the N9 probably has a different UI, and is based on MeeGo + debian
Oct 09 06:12:42 <MohammadAG51> psycho_oreos, is there a spec list anywhere?
Oct 09 06:13:19 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG51, no, just lots of rumours I'm afraid
Oct 09 06:13:58 <MohammadAG51> if the device eldar has is the N9, it sucks in terms of looks :P
Oct 09 06:14:04 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG51, supposedly it'll feature 1GHz ARM CPU, with wl1271 (802.11n capable) wifi, 64GB onboard memory, etc
Oct 09 06:14:27 * MohammadAG51 is interested in RAM
Oct 09 06:15:16 <psycho_oreos> heh I dunno
Oct 09 06:15:26 <psycho_oreos> just lots of leaks.. much like PR1.3
Oct 09 06:15:50 <MohammadAG51> err?
Oct 09 06:16:00 <MohammadAG51> 1.3 was leaked?
Oct 09 06:16:05 <psycho_oreos> and I must admit that n9 looks almost like n8 except probably thicker for proper keyboard
Oct 09 06:16:17 <psycho_oreos> nah the info and speculations were leaked
Oct 09 06:16:21 <MohammadAG51> the N8 looks like the E66
Oct 09 06:16:54 <psycho_oreos> n8 looks fugly
Oct 09 06:17:52 <TermanaN900> exactly and the n9 looks exactly like it
Oct 09 06:18:02 <TermanaN900> thereby being fugly as well
Oct 09 06:18:05 <gggs> Wow I didn't know a guy from Palm was hired by Nokia for MeeGo
Oct 09 06:18:36 <wmarone> heh
Oct 09 06:18:46 <wmarone> I can totally tolerate fugly if it's got good specs
Oct 09 06:20:11 <psycho_oreos> gggs, it was, the senior vice-president of nokia devices (or handsets) quit after the CEO was laid off along with another exec
Oct 09 06:20:30 <MohammadAG51> "it"? was
Oct 09 06:20:47 <psycho_oreos> I guess if n9 looks similar to n8, it'll be good to diss a few symbian fans ;)
Oct 09 06:21:47 * MohammadAG51 was a symbian fan
Oct 09 06:21:56 <psycho_oreos> `cool game! is that a n8?'... `nah its an n9' :D
Oct 09 06:23:08 * MohammadAG51 wonders when the neopwn kernel source is coming out
Oct 09 06:23:27 <gggs> psycho_oreos: An article says he was with Palm for 11 years, so I'm assuming he didn't contribute to it's downfall
Oct 09 06:23:32 * psycho_oreos hated symbian and still isn't a fan of symbian
Oct 09 06:23:40 <gggs> s/it's/its
Oct 09 06:23:50 <MohammadAG51> psycho_oreos, i've never heard of maemo before
Oct 09 06:24:06 <MohammadAG51> and iOS is meh
Oct 09 06:24:11 <MohammadAG51> android isn't popular
Oct 09 06:24:20 <psycho_oreos> gggs, well there was a news article about it and the outgoing vice president's departure had nothing to do with the outing of Nokia's CEO
Oct 09 06:24:27 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG51, lies :p
Oct 09 06:24:38 <TermanaN900> MohammadAG51, never heard of what before? :p
Oct 09 06:28:09 <gggs> psycho_oreos: PalmOS was a great platform for its time, lets hope he can start MeeGo off on the right foot
Oct 09 06:29:52 <psycho_oreos> gggs, I've heard that WebOS on Palm was nice but I've previously owned a Palm device (m505) it wasn't that particularly great.. I hope the new guy knows a thing or two about linux and to keep meego on its right path, rather than stripping away user's rights
Oct 09 06:30:10 <wmarone> he's focused on the UI
Oct 09 06:30:22 <wmarone> not "whether users can get root access"
Oct 09 06:30:43 <psycho_oreos> UI is part of the root access and access to proper tools
Oct 09 06:30:52 <psycho_oreos> err root access is part of the UI should I say
Oct 09 06:30:52 <wmarone> no, not really.
Oct 09 06:31:18 <psycho_oreos> and how is it not? every maemo device probably had an integrated feature to enable root mode
Oct 09 06:31:25 <wmarone> sure, but that's not part of the UI
Oct 09 06:31:31 <wmarone> it could be part of the bootloader
Oct 09 06:32:26 <psycho_oreos> I highly doubt its part of the bootloader
Oct 09 06:33:15 <MohammadAG51> NOLO doesn't know shit about root
Oct 09 06:33:23 <wmarone> well, it doesn't need to
Oct 09 06:33:24 <gggs> psycho_oreos: That's a good point, it'd be interesting to see
Oct 09 06:33:34 <wmarone> it just needs to pass down info
Oct 09 06:34:15 <gggs> psycho_oreos: I had an m105, the main reason I ditched it after a year or two was because the touchscreen kept dieing, it went back on warranty at least 4 or 5 times
Oct 09 06:35:38 <psycho_oreos> gggs, I gotta admit the idea of stylus writing was nice but its support on alternative platforms at the time wasn't that great and plus you needed to learn how to write it in its way
Oct 09 06:35:55 <psycho_oreos> gggs, fyi: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Nokia-s-MeeGo-VP-leaves-1102467.html
Oct 09 06:36:24 <psycho_oreos> and root access I still believe is part of the UI, UI is a very broad term, not to be confused with simply just GUI
Oct 09 06:38:57 <psycho_oreos> ahh this was the one I read yesterday: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Nokia-Loses-MeeGo-VP-Ari-Jaaksi-Another-One-Bites-the-Dust-159494.shtml
Oct 09 06:38:58 <wmarone> in that case, root access must absolutely not be part of the UI, otherwise your design efforts have failed utterly. It should be available to those who want it, of course.
Oct 09 06:40:28 <psycho_oreos> root access is part of the UI no matter how you look at it unless you're one of those who can only think that root access must be a means of jailbreaking one's devices like what one has to do with the likes of Android and iOS
Oct 09 06:40:40 <gggs> psycho_oreos: In hindsight using Graffiti was slow, but the UI was cleverly designed, and to this day it was probably the most effective schedule & phonebook I've ever used, but the biggest issue for me was similar to yours- it was a data island, you absolutely needed to connect it to a PC to install apps, backup, restore, etc
Oct 09 06:41:33 <psycho_oreos> and root access is not a priority feature, root access is just a complimentary feature considering maemo was targeted at `niche users/owners' not for regular phone geeks
Oct 09 06:42:17 <psycho_oreos> gggs, which is something I don't look forward to with devices beyond n9 sporting meego
Oct 09 06:42:33 <psycho_oreos> it'll only make me think no more different than what symbian is very much like
Oct 09 06:45:21 <gggs> psycho_oreos: One day I dropped my Palm, and the batteries must've bounced, because it wiped the entire memory. I couldn't use it until I could get home and `re-sync' it, which made me realize how un-resilient OS's like PalmOS, Symbian are
Oct 09 06:47:03 <psycho_oreos> gggs, well I suppose it could also heavily depend on the type of flash chipsets used
Oct 09 06:49:13 <gggs> psycho_oreos: Flash memory has improved since then, but mobile OS dependency doesn't seem to have changed much since then, you still need a `MS Windows XP compatible' to update the firmware
Oct 09 06:49:45 <psycho_oreos> gggs, not only that, most of the connectivity tools were mainly built for windows
Oct 09 06:51:01 <gggs> psycho_oreos: Exactly
Oct 09 06:53:33 <psycho_oreos> gggs, so yeah lets all hope that meego will be turned into something else
Oct 09 07:47:34 <VladNistor> hello, i seem to have a little issue with ssh and remote connections; i created an rsa key on my phone and copied it to my laptop as stated here http://wiki.maemo.org/SSH . I can login without a password. When I copy my key from the laptop to the phone it always asks for the certificate password. how can I make it not do that?
Oct 09 07:49:37 <VladNistor> i used the "ssh-copy-id -i" option as it seems cleaner, and the key is in my authorised_keys file, but it still asks for a password :(
Oct 09 07:50:23 <VladNistor> or a passphrase for the key, which defeats the scope
Oct 09 07:52:54 <alterego> VladNistor: probably because you set a passkey on the key. Try removing it with ssh-keygen
Oct 09 07:53:55 <alterego> ssh-keygen -p ~/.ssh/id_rsa
Oct 09 07:54:01 <alterego> Make it blank
Oct 09 07:56:56 <VladNistor> oh, so I would need to change my laptop key then?
Oct 09 07:58:11 <VladNistor> alterego, i use it with launchpad and other services, would there be a way to make it not ask for a passphrase without getting rif of it?
Oct 09 08:04:39 <alterego> VladNistor: you can use the key agent look i t up. Basically you just need to unlock the key once the first time you use it per startup
Oct 09 08:05:34 <alterego> Ii swear the N900's wifi is better than my two laptops' and usb dongle ...
Oct 09 08:06:05 <VladNistor> i dunno, on mine it show like it's connected but I have no network or internet access after a while :(
Oct 09 08:06:41 <alterego> Strange, I've found an open ap, which I can use on the N900 but not on anyhting else.
Oct 09 08:07:15 <alterego> I can't even see it on my other devices.
Oct 09 08:07:35 <MohammadAG51> the N900 has an epic wifi chip
Oct 09 08:07:37 <VladNistor> that's nice
Oct 09 08:07:42 <MohammadAG51> beats all other nokias
Oct 09 08:07:48 <alterego> :)
Oct 09 08:07:59 <Juozapas> but gps chip isnt very good right ?
Oct 09 08:08:00 <MohammadAG51> (and my broadcom laptop)
Oct 09 08:08:10 <VladNistor> so my problem is probably with the router then?
Oct 09 08:08:13 <MohammadAG51> gets a lock in 5 secs here
Oct 09 08:08:25 <MohammadAG51> what's your problem?
Oct 09 08:08:39 <VladNistor> it show like it's connected but I have no network or internet access after a while
Oct 09 08:08:41 <alterego> My netbook has broadcom and my laptop has intel neither see this ap, my usb dongles are all zydas 1211
Oct 09 08:08:54 <MohammadAG51> VladNistor, power saving mode
Oct 09 08:09:10 <alterego> Yeah, was gonna say power saving.
Oct 09 08:09:32 <VladNistor> oh, thanks... i thought it would disconnect not keep saying it's there and not work :))
Oct 09 08:10:43 <alterego> MohammadAG51: I submitted a pandaboard entry :)
Oct 09 08:10:52 <alterego> Hope it gets accepted
Oct 09 08:13:32 <alterego> "What color N8 will be best for photography?" teeheehee
Oct 09 08:15:05 <VladNistor> alterego, i tried ssh-keygen -p ~/.ssh/id_rsa, but it says too many arguments :(
Oct 09 08:15:26 <ieatlint> alterego: fuschia
Oct 09 08:16:22 <VladNistor> oh, i see now, don't need the ~/.ssh stuff at the end
Oct 09 08:16:24 <VladNistor> thanks
Oct 09 08:17:16 <alterego> np, using the key agent is probably more secure though
Oct 09 08:19:20 <Juozapas> can u recommend some photo/image resizer for n900 ?
Oct 09 08:19:48 <VladNistor> ok, now this is weird, i removed the passphrase but it still asks for one when i try to connect :-?
Oct 09 08:20:49 <alterego> Hrm, are you sure it's the right key file? :)
Oct 09 08:21:09 <alterego> It's the one you're connecting from right?
Oct 09 08:21:30 <VladNistor> yes, i've had this key for my laptop for a while now
Oct 09 08:23:14 <alterego> Hrm, and you're sure it's asking for the passphrase and not the password for the N900?
Oct 09 08:23:56 <VladNistor> crap. it's actually asking for the N900 passphrase...
Oct 09 08:24:02 <VladNistor> n900 key
Oct 09 08:25:30 <alterego> password z:P
Oct 09 08:25:58 <VladNistor> yeah, this operation has the sole purpose of getting me rid of passwords :))
Oct 09 08:26:53 <VladNistor> and using grsync to sync stuff with ssh :))
Oct 09 08:27:21 <VladNistor> there, now it works, silly me :P
Oct 09 08:39:51 <sivang> re all
Oct 09 08:39:53 <sivang> morning
Oct 09 08:40:08 <sivang> from the KDE sprint at Munich
Oct 09 08:40:20 <Stskeeps> morn, having fun?
Oct 09 08:40:21 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 09 08:44:47 <sivang> Stskeeps: Me thinks so :)
Oct 09 08:49:43 <ieatlint> damn button
Oct 09 09:37:41 <Corsac> grmbl, battery graphs when activating jabber account is just scary
Oct 09 09:38:58 <SpeedEvil> Force it onto 2G
Oct 09 09:55:54 <ludens> anyone has had problems with adflashblock not working after install?
Oct 09 10:25:33 <Venemo_N900> Hi
Oct 09 10:25:42 <Venemo_N900> what's up in Maemo land?
Oct 09 10:28:12 <dRbiG> is there any easy way in gtk to set a widget to try to maximize it's size? i've got a treeview, a set of buttons and another set of stuff (treeview and 2x vbox) and i would like the treeview to occupy as much space as possible in the horizontal direction
Oct 09 10:28:55 <Venemo_N900> dRbiG: have you looked at the gtk docs?
Oct 09 10:29:38 <dRbiG> Venemo_N900: looking all the time
Oct 09 10:29:58 <dRbiG> i have an idea for this
Oct 09 10:30:51 <dRbiG> hmm, not working :/
Oct 09 10:31:38 <Venemo_N900> dRbiG: what did you try?
Oct 09 10:31:46 <dRbiG> ok, now it works
Oct 09 10:32:01 <dRbiG> Venemo_N900: moved from .add to .pack_start and setting the fill & expand values manually
Oct 09 10:32:17 <dRbiG> it seems that .add is basically an alias for pack_start with expand & fill set to true
Oct 09 10:33:27 <Venemo_N900> dRbiG: well, I dunno. but you can always look at the source of Maemo Gtk to see
Oct 09 10:34:01 <dRbiG> Venemo_N900: as far as ui coding goes i'm trying to map my tk experience (however little) onto gtk
Oct 09 10:34:07 <dRbiG> seems to work for me
Oct 09 10:34:17 <Venemo_N900> dRbiG: "tk"?
Oct 09 10:34:24 <dRbiG> Venemo_N900: as in Tcl/Tk
Oct 09 10:35:03 <Venemo_N900> dRbiG: never heard about it
Oct 09 10:35:06 <Venemo_N900> hm
Oct 09 10:35:32 <Venemo_N900> is there some statistics available about the number of packages in the repos?
Oct 09 10:35:50 <dRbiG> tk is kind of a mother of all ui frameworks :)
Oct 09 10:37:10 <Venemo_N900> Mhm
Oct 09 10:45:19 <Venemo_N900> alterego: ping
Oct 09 10:47:09 <dRbiG> now another quest to make a treeview not expand more than to fit three list items
Oct 09 10:59:11 <Venemo_N900> dRbiG: why don't you use Qt?
Oct 09 11:11:43 <dRbiG> Venemo_N900: and why should i use Qt? :)
Oct 09 11:14:30 <psycho_oreos> jacekowski, ping
Oct 09 11:18:56 <Venemo_N900> dRbiG: I didn't say you should. but it's lot easier to work with than Gtk
Oct 09 11:19:09 <Venemo_N900> dRbiG: also on Nokia devices, Qt is the future
Oct 09 11:25:50 <RST38h> hmmm.... so, have they ported gpSP to Maemo or not?
Oct 09 11:41:04 <jacekowski> psycho_oreos: pong
Oct 09 11:41:51 <psycho_oreos> jacekowski, mind if you share the diff for fmtx-si4713.mod.c please? :D
Oct 09 11:43:55 <jacekowski> i don't have them
Oct 09 11:43:59 <jacekowski> i never modded .c file
Oct 09 11:44:09 <jacekowski> i modded module itself
Oct 09 11:44:13 <jacekowski> but it's just simple mod
Oct 09 11:45:24 <psycho_oreos> the module as in the fmtxd, nah couldn't be right heh, I dunno I'm looking to see where is the region, looking at that file its a whole bunch of memrefs if I'm not mistaken
Oct 09 11:46:32 <psycho_oreos> ahh wait, kernel module but the closest one I've found for that module was fmtx-si4713.mod.c.. that was the only source file hmm
Oct 09 11:46:53 <jacekowski> no
Oct 09 11:46:55 <jacekowski> #define DEFAULT_REGION_SETTINGS         0x02
Oct 09 11:46:59 <jacekowski> that's line you have to change
Oct 09 11:47:00 <jacekowski> to
Oct 09 11:47:02 <jacekowski> #define DEFAULT_REGION_SETTINGS         0x04
Oct 09 11:47:02 <jacekowski> in
Oct 09 11:47:08 <jacekowski> /kernel-2.6.28/drivers/media/radio/si4713.c
Oct 09 11:47:44 <psycho_oreos> ahh! bingo thanks!
Oct 09 11:49:45 * DocScrutinizer backslaps jacekowski
Oct 09 11:50:20 <DocScrutinizer> the REAL HACKER patches the binary :-P
Oct 09 11:51:37 <psycho_oreos> or rewrites the whole fmtxd module thing using decompiler like qwerty12 ;) but all is well that I'm not even one lol
Oct 09 11:53:21 <jacekowski> there are no decompilers for arm
Oct 09 11:59:33 <RST38h> heya wazd
Oct 09 12:09:16 <dRbiG> hmm, pajtoniści: jest jakaś składnia w pajtonie 2.x do szybkiego porówniania stringa do prostego patternu? z wildcard wystarczy mi '*' oraz '.' lub '?'; chcę coś takiego if 'dupa666' =~ 'dupa*': print 'Tak'
Oct 09 12:09:35 <dRbiG> regexpy to overkill tutaj
Oct 09 12:10:02 <jacekowski> it's english channel
Oct 09 12:10:07 <Corsac> hmhm, in fact it's jabber+3g which kills battery, jabber on wifi seems fine
Oct 09 12:10:10 <jacekowski> and regexp isn't an overkill
Oct 09 12:10:20 <Corsac> so I guess enabled jabber account on 3g prevents it to ever sleep or something
Oct 09 12:10:27 <jacekowski> Corsac: try skype +3g
Oct 09 12:10:55 <Corsac> I don't use skype
Oct 09 12:11:16 <dRbiG> ops
Oct 09 12:11:37 <dRbiG> sorry, not intended for this channel ;)
Oct 09 12:13:12 <dRbiG> jacekowski: i still think that regexps for simple matching with '*' and '?' are an overkill
Oct 09 12:13:54 <dRbiG> and they introduce more problems when you think about all their special characters and syntax
Oct 09 12:29:51 <DocScrutinizer> Corsac: IM apps over 3G cause it to burn power like mad for TX
Oct 09 12:30:23 <DocScrutinizer> basically a ping every 30s is enough to keep the TX always on
Oct 09 12:30:31 <Corsac> mhm ok
Oct 09 12:56:26 <kerio> how does fring do that?
Oct 09 12:59:09 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption
Oct 09 12:59:38 <SpeedEvil> 3.5G data, short pings  1 s 186 mA  10 s 120 mA approx.  30 s 136 mA
Oct 09 13:00:06 <kerio> maybe because with 30s it has time to go into idle and then has to immediately go back to transmitting?
Oct 09 13:00:08 <SpeedEvil> So there is some small saving when you back off to 15s or so - 50%
Oct 09 13:00:30 <SpeedEvil> But you need to be idle for >>60s to get the power down to 1/4
Oct 09 13:11:15 * lcuk yawns
Oct 09 13:43:21 <mirr0r> anyone knows which theme the user has in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_58jo0TnIOI&feature=player_embedded ?
Oct 09 13:44:53 <lcuk> mirr0r, hm IDK - ask him in comment?
Oct 09 13:49:38 <cehteh> mirr0r: looks like this oku... forgotten the name
Oct 09 13:53:18 <cehteh> okuda
Oct 09 13:57:30 <jacktheripper> does fcam work with PR1.2 ?
Oct 09 14:05:48 <SpeedEvil> yes
Oct 09 14:18:42 <jacktheripper> why do I get a blank viewfinder then ? and:
Oct 09 14:18:57 <jacktheripper> adp1653 2-0030: failed writing fault register
Oct 09 14:19:05 <jacktheripper> video4linux video0: can't power up slaves
Oct 09 14:19:06 <jacktheripper> in dmesg
Oct 09 14:22:07 <n900-space> hi all
Oct 09 14:26:24 <BigWookie> I try to emulate N900 with madde ( newest stand alone version and nokiaqtsdk version) , I tried the precompiled version of qemu from the distributed package and compiled my own one. The machine starts, i can see the bootsplash, but after that the screen remains blank, The underneath system is running, as i can ssh to it and on other systems the same image files leed to a graphical interface, just on my 3 computers it just won't work, i'm usi
Oct 09 14:30:08 <GAN900> Sad reality seems to be that the N900 just doesn't have enough RAM for Fennec.
Oct 09 14:30:24 <Stskeeps> well, considering browserd is always in memory and fennec isn't..
Oct 09 14:31:23 <Jartza> hmm
Oct 09 14:31:59 <GAN900> Stskeeps, XUL adds bloat
Oct 09 14:32:10 <GAN900> and it doesn't leave much headroom either way.
Oct 09 14:32:18 <GAN900> Pity I/O is so dog slow.
Oct 09 15:04:22 <sivang> re all
Oct 09 15:04:34 <Stskeeps> re
Oct 09 15:06:55 <pronto> re
Oct 09 15:07:12 <pronto> (i have no idea why people say re , i jsut see it all over the place :s)
Oct 09 15:12:04 <psycho_oreos> re = hi again
Oct 09 15:12:56 <lolloo> re
Oct 09 15:13:08 <lolloo> hahaha
Oct 09 15:13:50 <jpinx> htf can re = hi again?
Oct 09 15:15:08 <Corsac> it might come from the french, where it would mean « retour » as in « je suis de retour » / “I'm back”
Oct 09 15:15:14 <Corsac> or « me re-voilà »
Oct 09 15:18:33 <ZogG> crashanddie, hey gentoo guru
Oct 09 15:51:57 <BigWookie> okay i'm a little bit further in  my investigation, the problem seems to be x, i can paint the framebuffer...
Oct 09 15:53:40 <Jaffa> re
Oct 09 16:03:53 <lcuk> BigWookie, its not something as simple as the export DISPLAY variable is it?
Oct 09 16:04:14 <BigWookie> lcuk: nope it goes a little bit further i think
Oct 09 16:04:28 <lcuk> BigWookie, thats a shame
Oct 09 16:04:34 <lcuk> whats the host OS?
Oct 09 16:05:07 <BigWookie> Host os is Ubuntu 10.04 i686
Oct 09 16:06:52 <lcuk> BigWookie, have you ever had the Maemo SDK installed?  (as comparison only)
Oct 09 16:07:21 <BigWookie> nop
Oct 09 16:11:28 <BigWookie> atm i use the stand alone version of madde
Oct 09 16:15:32 * RST38h yawns
Oct 09 16:55:39 <BigWookie> Oky the first problem ist that HAL won't start~
Oct 09 16:56:34 <SpeedEvil> I'd suggest suiting up, and starting pulling logic cards.
Oct 09 16:57:50 <BigWookie> /dev/input/* all work fine in the emulator, but X can't connect to them
Oct 09 17:13:36 <sphenxes> I am planning to buy nokia n900. Is it possible to install amarok on it?
Oct 09 17:15:35 <Hoxzer> most likely yes
Oct 09 17:15:50 <javispedro> it would look awful, though.
Oct 09 17:16:00 <RST38h> heya javispedro
Oct 09 17:16:07 <javispedro> helo RST38h
Oct 09 17:16:15 <RST38h> Check this out: http://early-onset-of-night.tumblr.com/post/1206666159/say-hello-to-mechanically-separated-chicken-its
Oct 09 17:16:32 <javispedro> wtf
Oct 09 17:16:34 <sphenxes> I would like to play music from my ampache server,? what would you suggest as media player on maemo (nokia n900)?
Oct 09 17:16:35 * RST38h now knows why he never ever eats at thesefastfood places
Oct 09 17:17:51 <Hoxzer> sphenxes: You're aware that N900 has free grooveshark client?
Oct 09 17:17:53 <javispedro> RST38h: but that's the future! *sips tasty soylent green*
Oct 09 17:17:54 <Hoxzer> *of that
Oct 09 17:18:29 <sphenxes> Hoxzer, no. would it work with ampache?
Oct 09 17:18:33 <BigWookie> okay even further, DBUS won't start - dsmesock_connect: Connection refused
Oct 09 17:19:13 <sphenxes> javispedro, thanks for the link
Oct 09 17:19:37 <RST38h> javispedro: Yea, that, and the rat meat...
Oct 09 17:19:48 <Hoxzer> sphenxes: It let's you play just about any song from grooveshark's central server. (You dont need to have your OWN server running)
Oct 09 17:20:01 <Hoxzer> Very much like spotify
Oct 09 17:20:23 <sphenxes> Hoxzer, thanks. i will take a look
Oct 09 17:25:45 <sivaN900> thp: thanks for wiki edit
Oct 09 17:31:04 <BigWookie> can anyone tell me what "dsmetool" is for?
Oct 09 17:31:11 <jacekowski> talking to dsme
Oct 09 17:31:30 <BigWookie> "dsmesock_connect: Connection refused"
Oct 09 17:31:42 <jacekowski> then phone will restart in 32s
Oct 09 17:31:44 <jacekowski> at most
Oct 09 17:31:50 <javispedro> unless bme is also not running
Oct 09 17:31:58 <BigWookie> what does dsme?
Oct 09 17:32:00 <jacekowski> nope
Oct 09 17:32:07 <jacekowski> once dsme is started i
Oct 09 17:32:10 <javispedro> and this is not a n900 =)
Oct 09 17:32:10 <jacekowski> it starts watchdog
Oct 09 17:32:19 <jacekowski> and watchdog will never stop
Oct 09 17:32:58 <BigWookie> okay heres my situation
Oct 09 17:33:19 <BigWookie> i've got madde, and a session to the device
Oct 09 17:33:41 <BigWookie> but the screen is blank, so i looked in Xorg log and there it is forever waiting for hal
Oct 09 17:34:05 <BigWookie> when i try to start hal it says i should look if dbus is running, which it isn't
Oct 09 17:34:23 <BigWookie> but I also can't start it becaus of "dsmesock_connect: Connection refused"
Oct 09 17:34:52 <jacekowski> try running it as root
Oct 09 17:34:58 <jacekowski> hmm, then dsme is not starting
Oct 09 17:35:00 <BigWookie> i doo
Oct 09 17:37:19 <BigWookie> so what to do now?
Oct 09 17:37:52 <jacekowski> flash it
Oct 09 17:38:02 <BigWookie> i'm using an emulator
Oct 09 17:38:07 <javispedro> I don't think were talking about a real device
Oct 09 17:38:45 <BigWookie> I used 4 different hosts and dozens of different configs
Oct 09 17:38:57 <jacekowski> ah
Oct 09 17:39:00 <BigWookie> I used the NokiaQtSDK madde and the stand alone madde
Oct 09 17:39:07 <jacekowski> i always use real thing
Oct 09 17:39:16 <BigWookie> mine didn't arrive yet
Oct 09 17:39:43 <BigWookie> funny thing is, i tried this on 4 different hosts, linux and windows, and i ssem to be the only person with this problem
Oct 09 17:40:46 <BigWookie> Netbook of a friend of mine, we used the SAME FILES and on his machine it is working, on mine not
Oct 09 17:41:09 <javispedro> Intel gfx card on his netbook?
Oct 09 17:41:16 <BigWookie> and on mine too
Oct 09 17:41:33 <BigWookie> on my desktop nvidia ion
Oct 09 17:42:08 <BigWookie> I even installed a fresh ubuntu server and started qemu with a vnc server
Oct 09 17:43:16 <BigWookie> i don't get how nobody else experienced this
Oct 09 18:05:13 <TomaszD> Stskeeps, natives are restless again at tmo
Oct 09 18:05:31 <RST38h> what again?
Oct 09 18:05:59 <TomaszD> the tmo tribe is getting worked up about something again
Oct 09 18:06:05 <SpeedEvil> PR1.3? Flash?
Oct 09 18:06:10 <TomaszD> flash
Oct 09 18:06:17 <SpeedEvil> ah
Oct 09 18:06:29 <RST38h> ah that
Oct 09 18:06:49 <RST38h> I am sure TI lawyers will be mighty surprised this Monday
Oct 09 18:07:35 <TomaszD> I can't bring myself to care about all this, it's just fun to watch I guess
Oct 09 18:07:35 <RST38h> When they get 9000+ requests for an obscure sample package that nobody but some Chinese engineers has ever requested before
Oct 09 18:08:13 <RST38h> yea, great entertainent value, almost like visiting a zoo, except you do not feel sad for THESE guys
Oct 09 18:08:22 <javispedro> those evil chinese engineers, wanting to keep the full glory of flash 30.70 for themselves.
Oct 09 18:09:10 <RST38h> I know it is probably very illegal, but somebody should package that damn .so into a .deb and make it available via torrent or something
Oct 09 18:09:20 * javispedro goes cause some more restless in tmo :P
Oct 09 18:09:32 <RST38h> Just to get the pressure off =(
Oct 09 18:09:43 <BigWookie> Umm how / where  is dsme supposed to get started?
Oct 09 18:09:50 <Stskeeps> TomaszD: at least they're not messaging me anymore
Oct 09 18:10:10 <RST38h> Stskeeps: they will, on monday
Oct 09 18:10:44 <Stskeeps> and everyone seems to think i'm a douche who won't share the smiley face pills
Oct 09 18:10:45 <javispedro> BigWookie: have you checked the usual things? is the download corrupted, is your filesystem out of space, are you installing madde on the suggested location, do you have some other application installed that could possibly be LD_LIBRARY_PATH'ing some nonsense?
Oct 09 18:11:04 <BigWookie> javispedro: yep all of that
Oct 09 18:11:10 <RST38h> Stskeeps: that, of course, you are =)
Oct 09 18:11:13 <TomaszD> well they should, it's all your fault that flash 10.1 hasn't been released yet for maemo 5, that pr1.3 is not public yet
Oct 09 18:11:15 <kerio> wait, what happened
Oct 09 18:11:22 <kerio> we have an updated flash player now?
Oct 09 18:11:23 <TomaszD> and world hunger is also Stskeeps's fault
Oct 09 18:11:29 <kerio> does it suddenly not suck?
Oct 09 18:11:49 <BigWookie> javispedro: I first thought it could be a qemu problem till i came to the idea of painting on the fb
Oct 09 18:11:57 <RST38h> Actuallty, even if you shared, they would blame you for all their N900 troubles (freezes, crashes, packages do not install, etc) for the next month or so
Oct 09 18:12:08 <javispedro> RST38h: do not even joke about that, it could be physically dangerous
Oct 09 18:12:30 <BigWookie> javispedro: so I compiled my own qemu-arm version and tried doing everything manually
Oct 09 18:12:33 <RST38h> which paart?
Oct 09 18:12:36 * javispedro envisions pitchfork wearing lemmings
Oct 09 18:13:24 <RST38h> ah
Oct 09 18:13:24 <Stskeeps> RST38h: i should share a rot13 encrypted .so that replaces all flash with goatse
Oct 09 18:13:29 <TomaszD> the word you're looking for is wielding, not wearing
Oct 09 18:13:41 <javispedro> ta, TomaszD
Oct 09 18:14:30 <lcuk> Stskeeps, for some people they would hardly notice
Oct 09 18:14:30 <RST38h> Stskeeps: So that every flash plugin placeholder shows a goatse? Yes.
Oct 09 18:14:37 <kerio> Stskeeps: meh, goatse is old
Oct 09 18:15:03 <lcuk> kerio, as with everything nowadays
Oct 09 18:15:13 <Stskeeps> RST38h: yes
Oct 09 18:15:21 * RST38h got contacted by the FBReader guy, there is still hope I will not have to do 0.12.x after all :)
Oct 09 18:15:30 <kerio> i say meatspin
Oct 09 18:15:34 <javispedro> RST38h: I though he moved to android
Oct 09 18:15:35 <kerio> with the original ytmnd soundtrack
Oct 09 18:15:38 <javispedro> *thought
Oct 09 18:15:47 <javispedro> err..
Oct 09 18:15:47 <RST38h> javspedro:No, this is the core FBReader guy
Oct 09 18:15:52 <RST38h> crossplatform, etc
Oct 09 18:16:05 <SpeedEvil> :)
Oct 09 18:16:52 <RST38h> TomaszD: Considering a typical lemming size vs a typical pitchfork size, "wearing" may not be that far from the truth :)
Oct 09 18:21:43 <javispedro> ah, nice thread. *bookmarks it* will make for a nice bedtime read.
Oct 09 18:22:17 <nox-> moin
Oct 09 18:22:26 <javispedro> morning
Oct 09 18:23:07 <nox-> moin javispedro
Oct 09 18:23:22 <tank-man> RST38h, does the fbreader author speak english?
Oct 09 18:23:35 <RST38h> tank: No idea, we communicate in Russian
Oct 09 18:23:45 <RST38h> tank: But he most likely does
Oct 09 18:24:58 <tank-man> i was just wondering what he would think about some ebook reader (physical reader) that i think uses his software (fbreader) but the maker doesnt acknowlede it or provide source
Oct 09 18:25:42 <RST38h> tank: I think these guys know about such readers and license fbreader to them
Oct 09 18:25:52 <RST38h> tank: Under a separate license
Oct 09 18:26:08 <SpeedEvil> Only if fbreader is only that guys work.
Oct 09 18:26:16 <RST38h> There is a group
Oct 09 18:26:24 <SpeedEvil> Then it's easy for him to relicenxe to an arbitrary licence.
Oct 09 18:26:27 <RST38h> And they license as a group, if I understood thinks correctly
Oct 09 18:26:33 <SpeedEvil> yeah - a small group I mean
Oct 09 18:27:00 <lcuk> its even possible for larger groups too SpeedEvil - its all about the contribution guidelines and stance
Oct 09 18:27:07 <SpeedEvil> Of course
Oct 09 18:27:15 <SpeedEvil> as long as you can contact them all, and none die.
Oct 09 18:28:09 <lcuk> no, its not necessary to recontact people if the contribution/license pre said "we will release this as gpl but also offer private licenses"
Oct 09 18:28:26 <DocScrutinizer> booohoohoobwaahh, I want flash17.21!1!!!111!!
Oct 09 18:28:37 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: yes, of course
Oct 09 18:28:38 <lcuk> making a drastic change afterwards would incur what you said
Oct 09 18:28:59 <lcuk> I believe that sort of condition is put on Qt contributions
Oct 09 18:29:17 <RST38h> Given what FLash does to N900 overall performance, I do not understand why anyone would be so bent on using it
Oct 09 18:29:24 <javispedro> that thread is _awesome_
Oct 09 18:29:33 <lcuk> RST38h, facebook videos stopped working I believe
Oct 09 18:29:44 <SpeedEvil> RST38h: Because sometimes it's the only way to content.
Oct 09 18:29:49 <lcuk> luke was moaning a few weeks ago, his only "computer" for a while was an n900
Oct 09 18:29:52 * DocScrutinizer anxiously ponders to ask which thread
Oct 09 18:29:58 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: the flash one
Oct 09 18:30:04 <javispedro> I missed it entirely =)
Oct 09 18:30:08 <DocScrutinizer> I thought as much
Oct 09 18:30:14 <DocScrutinizer> me as well
Oct 09 18:30:35 * RST38h starts saying something about the necessity of Facebook, suddenly feels himself an old geezer
Oct 09 18:31:09 <DocScrutinizer> probably should temporarily comment out that talk.maemo.org 127.0.0.1 line in my etc/hosts ;-P
Oct 09 18:34:46 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: no need to. you'll just miss on tmoers calling stskeeps THE EVIL because he won't pirate software for them ;P
Oct 09 18:37:02 <RST38h> javispedro: BTW, have they finally ported gbpsp or not? =)
Oct 09 18:37:26 <javispedro> RST38h: I saw the code, and it ran M Kart
Oct 09 18:37:35 <javispedro> RST38h: no idea why he  isn't releasing it
Oct 09 18:37:58 <javispedro> possibly your average newcomer "first contact" with autobuilder or sth
Oct 09 18:38:03 <RST38h> javispedro: Probably went deaf from all the squeaking on tmo
Oct 09 18:38:11 <RST38h> Ah yes, that too :)
Oct 09 18:38:41 <javispedro> also, it does not seem to be the "performance god" it was "meant to be" .
Oct 09 18:39:41 <RST38h> javispedro: I am afraid there are no miracles
Oct 09 18:39:56 <RST38h> javispedro: Or rather, most miracles are of the nasty kind, not the good one
Oct 09 18:41:14 <javispedro> guess so.
Oct 09 18:44:04 <javispedro> also, I guess someone might want to point Pandora guys over that TI blessed libflashplayer
Oct 09 18:44:28 <BigWookie> Okay now my system starts to die after ~30 sec
Oct 09 18:47:51 <javispedro> is flash actually accelerated on _any_ mobile platform at all? =)
Oct 09 18:48:00 <javispedro> the ease by which the ipad guys ported android's libflashplayer.so to ipad ( http://github.com/comex/frash ) makes me thing it isn't.
Oct 09 18:48:05 <javispedro> *think.
Oct 09 18:48:47 <javispedro> not even GL calls.
Oct 09 18:49:20 <javispedro> something video specific, but afaik more output related than having to do with codecs.
Oct 09 18:49:27 <nox-> i think flash is still `optimized for windows', i.e they dont care much about performance on other platforms
Oct 09 18:49:46 <javispedro> basically, a big lie. and everyone believing it!
Oct 09 18:50:08 * javispedro surprises for a few microseconds then wanders off
Oct 09 18:51:02 <Corsac> javispedro: well, easy porting doesn't mean no accel at all, in any case there should be fallbacks
Oct 09 18:52:05 <javispedro> "fallbacks" when android core libraries are missing? doubt it.
Oct 09 18:53:47 <nox-> oh it wouldnt be _impossible_ tho, ive seen linux flash doing dlopen()s for things like libcurl too...
Oct 09 18:54:54 * javispedro notes to steal an android iphone sometime in the near future and run strings on its libflashplayer.so
Oct 09 18:57:57 <javispedro> "Woman Travels Four Hours with Gun to Kill Mean Internet Commenter" -- take cover, those who are now in TMO's "axis of evil" list.
Oct 09 18:59:47 <lcuk> javispedro, 4 hours is lightweight, how far did the astronaut woman go in nappies?
Oct 09 19:00:32 <javispedro> too many? :)
Oct 09 19:01:59 <lcuk> javispedro, the internet says 1000 miles
Oct 09 19:05:39 <javispedro> hah, missed that.
Oct 09 19:06:13 <RST38h> javispedro: google for nasa diaper murder
Oct 09 19:06:33 <Corsac> javispedro: not sure flash uses any android core lib
Oct 09 19:12:50 <javispedro> quite interesting.
Oct 09 19:21:03 <RST38h> BTW, Desktop Switcher rules, absolutely rules
Oct 09 19:30:17 <BigWookie> is there a way preventing dsme from rebooting when i start hal xD?
Oct 09 19:30:39 <timeless_mbp> :)
Oct 09 19:30:48 <timeless_mbp> ti gave me a license key for flash10 :)
Oct 09 19:31:27 <ZogG> MohammadAG51, hey
Oct 09 19:31:35 <RST38h> OMG
Oct 09 19:31:36 <ZogG> just bought earphones =)
Oct 09 19:31:41 <ZogG> 300 nis
Oct 09 19:31:48 <RST38h> EHLO Zogg
Oct 09 19:31:54 <ZogG> holla
Oct 09 19:32:16 <RST38h> How is suffering tonight?
Oct 09 19:33:38 <SpeedEvil> Why is TI giving out keys?
Oct 09 19:34:18 <luke-jr_> SpeedEvil: I think it's supposed to be for BeagleBoard :P
Oct 09 19:34:26 <timeless_mbp> SpeedEvil: dunno
Oct 09 19:34:27 <Stskeeps> nah, anything OMAP3
Oct 09 19:35:04 <Stskeeps> i wonder how many of the lemmings who might realize they can be asked to write a report on their evaluation of the software
Oct 09 19:36:06 <RST38h> Stskeeps: Naah
Oct 09 19:36:11 <lcuk> :( users on tmo aren't lemmings
Oct 09 19:36:23 <RST38h> Stskeeps: Almost never happens (and yes, when it says "write a report" I always write a report)
Oct 09 19:36:25 <timeless_mbp> Stskeeps: i don't think that will be much of a problem
Oct 09 19:36:39 <lcuk> cos don't you post there regularly Stskeeps
Oct 09 19:38:04 <Stskeeps> lcuk: i'm a bear driving lemmings over the edge
Oct 09 19:38:05 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 09 19:38:33 <lcuk> wasnt it someone on tmo that told you about the Ti webpage though?
Oct 09 19:38:39 <Stskeeps> heh
Oct 09 19:40:23 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: your dad was either Dr psy, or a preacherman
Oct 09 19:41:11 <lcuk> ?
Oct 09 19:41:57 <DocScrutinizer> endless patience and benevolence
Oct 09 19:42:08 <DocScrutinizer> where else you got that from?
Oct 09 19:42:55 <lcuk> many years of practice.
Oct 09 19:43:03 <DocScrutinizer> though sons of preachers are angry guys quite frequently
Oct 09 19:43:09 <lcuk> if I was following my dad I would be skiing and hang gliding and stuff
Oct 09 19:44:13 * timeless_mbp grumbles
Oct 09 19:44:21 * timeless_mbp has to try to use nokia's travel tool
Oct 09 19:44:25 <timeless_mbp> that's never good
Oct 09 19:44:56 <DocScrutinizer> travel tool??? o.O
Oct 09 19:45:10 <timeless_mbp> basically a PoS
Oct 09 19:45:19 <timeless_mbp> designed to drive engineers crazy
Oct 09 19:45:30 <DocScrutinizer> yuck
Oct 09 19:46:07 <timeless_mbp> as long as that's its job, it does it well :)
Oct 09 19:47:12 <DocScrutinizer> odds are not even the product implementation specs will tell you about ther *true* reasons and intentions
Oct 09 19:47:19 <lcuk> timeless_mbp, is this the expense calculator?
Oct 09 19:47:55 <MohammadAG51> heh, my dad broke his E66's screen
Oct 09 19:48:17 <DocScrutinizer> advantage MohammadAG51
Oct 09 19:48:29 <DrHalan> hey, i am looking for a syncML gui for maemo. commandline would be okay too
Oct 09 19:48:38 <DrHalan> can i just install syncevolution somehow?
Oct 09 19:51:46 <MohammadAG51> DocScrutinizer, how come?
Oct 09 19:51:58 <MohammadAG51> I'm seriously thinking of getting an iPhone 4 for him
Oct 09 19:52:34 <MohammadAG51> easy to use UI, noob friendly etc
Oct 09 19:52:40 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG51: now he can't shout and go mad if ever you accidentally kill N900 :-D
Oct 09 19:52:54 <MohammadAG51> LOL
Oct 09 19:56:50 <dsg> DrHalan: Yes, there is syncevolution in extras-testing (or maybe -devel, I'm not sure). I'm using it against horde.
Oct 09 20:00:35 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: it does that job badly too
Oct 09 20:00:42 <timeless_mbp> but no, it also does bookings
Oct 09 20:00:50 <timeless_mbp> and tries very hard to get a bad rate on a poor selection
Oct 09 20:03:16 <DocScrutinizer> hey, it probably pays back double or triple on taxes Nokia doesn't have to pay. You have to appreciate that, no? :-P
Oct 09 20:08:17 <DocScrutinizer> you know, McDon in Germany, when you buy a burger, 50% of the times they ask you "here or to take away?", the other 50% they give you a paper back for that single burger and don't ask.You never get the rationale until you understand they pay 7% VAT for takeaway food but 19% for in-house serving
Oct 09 20:08:51 <DocScrutinizer> s/paper back/paper bag/
Oct 09 20:08:52 <infobot> DocScrutinizer meant: you know, McDon in Germany, when you buy a burger, 50% of the times they ask you "here or to take away?", the other 50% they give you a paper bag for that single burger and don't ask.You never get the rationale until you understand they pay 7% VAT for tak...
Oct 09 20:09:55 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: thats insane
Oct 09 20:10:33 <Stskeeps> but good to know next time i'm travelling through germany
Oct 09 20:10:35 <pupnik> wow
Oct 09 20:10:44 <pupnik> wonder if they'll gimme 10% off for takeaway
Oct 09 20:11:39 <DocScrutinizer> pupnik: nah, they won't, they give you 8 paperbags and 50 napkin if you ask
Oct 09 20:12:04 <MohammadAG51> last time i was in germany i had to pay for a plastic bag in a supermarket
Oct 09 20:12:07 <MohammadAG51> i was like wtf
Oct 09 20:12:14 <DocScrutinizer> the cashiers are 'hardcoded', no way for credit
Oct 09 20:12:36 <Stskeeps> MohammadAG51: normal in .dk too
Oct 09 20:12:56 <MohammadAG51> not normal in .il
Oct 09 20:13:01 <pupnik> you're supposed to shop with your own bags
Oct 09 20:13:05 <DocScrutinizer> pupnik: you however can chose from Germany-the-state or McDo to get 12% of that money you have to pay
Oct 09 20:13:32 <MohammadAG51> pupnik, i don't have any damn bags, worse part is they stuffed 6 2L bottles in one bag
Oct 09 20:13:56 <pupnik> they stuffed?  where do they bag for you in germany? what store?
Oct 09 20:13:56 <MohammadAG51> then 4 minutes later while i was walking to the hotel, it ripped open from the bottom
Oct 09 20:14:12 <MohammadAG51> idk
Oct 09 20:14:15 <pupnik> ok
Oct 09 20:14:17 <MohammadAG51> bad sulzangen or sth
Oct 09 20:14:23 <DocScrutinizer> LOL
Oct 09 20:14:40 <DocScrutinizer> salzufflen?
Oct 09 20:14:41 <MohammadAG51> how the f is that even spelled?
Oct 09 20:14:50 <MohammadAG51> nope, no Fs in it
Oct 09 20:15:38 <lolloo> salzuhlen
Oct 09 20:15:39 <DocScrutinizer> some dump I never heard of :-)
Oct 09 20:15:50 <MohammadAG51> Bad Salzungen
Oct 09 20:15:56 <lcuk> timeless_mbp, travel logistics is an extremely specialist piece of software, a skilled cabbie is still more likely to get you to destination than gps alone ;)
Oct 09 20:16:05 <MohammadAG51> DocScrutinizer, that
Oct 09 20:16:06 <DocScrutinizer> quit epossible they pack your bags there XP
Oct 09 20:16:40 <MohammadAG51> though i loved how green that town was
Oct 09 20:16:52 <MohammadAG51> it's in thuringia
Oct 09 20:17:07 <DocScrutinizer> except for the "town" part that all sounds congruent
Oct 09 20:17:53 <DocScrutinizer> err concludent
Oct 09 20:17:56 <MohammadAG51> you don't see a lot of green here in IL
Oct 09 20:18:37 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: a was man pays for a cabbie
Oct 09 20:18:43 <timeless_mbp> a fool rents a limo
Oct 09 20:19:17 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: basically, i prefer groups smart enough to just allow people to use Expedia or whatever
Oct 09 20:19:59 <lcuk> a was man?  transgender?
Oct 09 20:20:11 <MohammadAG51> a wise man lol
Oct 09 20:20:14 <timeless_mbp> s/was/wise/ :(
Oct 09 20:20:15 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Oct 09 20:20:28 * lcuk giggles
Oct 09 20:20:47 * MohammadAG51 slaps lcuk with a noobmonk... naw, he's not here
Oct 09 20:20:54 * MohammadAG51 uses frals instead
Oct 09 20:21:03 * b-man` watches
Oct 09 20:21:14 * lcuk will probably get slapped by frals soon anyway
Oct 09 20:21:39 <pupnik> hehe
Oct 09 20:21:41 <pupnik> why?>
Oct 09 20:22:01 <MohammadAG51> hacked fMMS to make video calls?
Oct 09 20:22:45 <lcuk> heh no
Oct 09 20:23:06 <MohammadAG51> ate his trout?
Oct 09 20:23:13 <lcuk> but I would like to see the boundaries of MMS, frals indicated when he was writing it he was sending higher resolution photos than normal mms
Oct 09 20:23:13 <pupnik>  lady next door was running her horses around in circles
Oct 09 20:23:20 <pupnik> wow
Oct 09 20:23:51 <lcuk> i read his observation as n900 -> n900 mms may technically be Super MMS :P
Oct 09 20:24:11 <MohammadAG51> lcuk, a large image failed to get sent here
Oct 09 20:24:26 <MohammadAG51> i think my operator checks size
Oct 09 20:24:32 <lcuk> obviously it only works for cool people
Oct 09 20:25:09 <MohammadAG51> my operator's meh
Oct 09 20:25:13 <MohammadAG51> i miss jordan's 3G
Oct 09 20:25:28 <MohammadAG51> i used to get 7.2MBps with that
Oct 09 20:25:32 <MohammadAG51> 1 here
Oct 09 20:27:23 <lcuk> MohammadAG51, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-09-22.log.html#t2010-09-22T13:41:03
Oct 09 20:29:14 <BigWookie> If anyone is interrested in this http://pastebin.com/iaUedk5N - hald log ( especially line 5 )
Oct 09 20:31:38 <juozapas> is already exist some kind adapter to connect n900 to the internet via utp cable jack?
Oct 09 20:31:59 <pupnik> what is a utp cable jack?
Oct 09 20:32:15 <nox-> rj45?
Oct 09 20:32:26 <juozapas> yep
Oct 09 20:32:32 <juozapas> aka yes
Oct 09 20:32:51 <pupnik> i used a device called a wlan router juozapas
Oct 09 20:33:19 <nox-> well if usb hostmode would work properly i guess you could use an usb nic but without that pupnik is right i guess
Oct 09 20:33:44 <juozapas> pupnik: :) me too, just itresting
Oct 09 20:34:19 <nox-> (well or you could use usb notworking via a pc doing routing i guess...)
Oct 09 20:34:26 <pupnik> or tether via .. http://myn900.wordpress.com/2010/08/21/tethering-on-the-n900-part-1/
Oct 09 20:39:05 <ProfOak_> What are your thoughts on MeeGo?
Oct 09 20:39:31 <SpeedEvil> KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!
Oct 09 20:39:34 <SpeedEvil> Or meh.
Oct 09 20:39:37 <SpeedEvil> Probably meh.
Oct 09 20:40:00 <ProfOak_> I agree
Oct 09 20:40:15 <ProfOak_> I was kinda hoping maemo would go further than it did
Oct 09 20:40:52 <juozapas> yeah thats sad
Oct 09 20:41:09 <SpeedEvil> While in principle, I can appreciate the idea of a wider based platform to do more devices, functional bits of platforms getting thrown out for no end-user benefit obsoleting devs learning is of questionable utility.
Oct 09 20:42:29 <ProfOak_> I was actually thinking about buying an N900 because I liked everything about it, but I'm still questioning meego
Oct 09 20:43:20 <juozapas> and today meego works all right on n900? i know that it isnt officialy supported
Oct 09 20:43:53 <ProfOak_> I just liked how it was linux, for real
Oct 09 20:44:02 <ProfOak_> I wasn't even going to use it as a phone
Oct 09 20:45:05 <juozapas> so you using it just for web surfing, chating, ssh'ing...?
Oct 09 20:45:07 <lcuk> ProfOak_, make your decisions based on needs today
Oct 09 20:45:09 <SpeedEvil> Today meego is not functional as a user platform on n900 as I understnad it.
Oct 09 20:45:24 <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
Oct 09 20:45:54 <SpeedEvil> Base your purchasing decision on what would happen if tomorrow a massive supervolcano took out finland, and wiped nokia off the map.
Oct 09 20:46:06 <juozapas> :D
Oct 09 20:46:15 <ProfOak_> Oh man, I never thought of that!
Oct 09 20:46:38 <ProfOak_> What if an asteroid hit all satellites and rendered cellphones useless
Oct 09 20:46:53 <lcuk> SpeedEvil, well I suppose if that did happen we would be in more shit.  no more moomins stuff
Oct 09 20:46:59 * ProfOak_ is thinkin outside the box
Oct 09 20:47:23 <SpeedEvil> While there is /b/ there will always be #34 of moomins.
Oct 09 20:47:29 <lcuk> ProfOak_, cellphones dont rely on satellite usually ;)
Oct 09 20:47:51 * ProfOak_ is thinkin too outside the box
Oct 09 20:48:03 <SpeedEvil> They do for GPS.
Oct 09 20:48:06 <DocScrutinizer> today MAEMO is working 'OK' on N900 - odds are it will for another couple of months, amybe years
Oct 09 20:49:37 * lcuk wonders how to fix stylus hole
Oct 09 20:50:47 <DocScrutinizer> IRIDIUM, Suraya
Oct 09 20:50:55 <DocScrutinizer> INMARSAT
Oct 09 20:51:23 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: Dremel
Oct 09 20:51:25 * DocScrutinizer wants a N900 with a IRIDIUM&Suraya piggyback
Oct 09 20:51:36 <ProfOak_> wT
Oct 09 20:51:38 <ProfOak_> wat
Oct 09 20:51:43 <DocScrutinizer> NOOOOO - please no Dremel
Oct 09 20:51:54 * ProfOak_ is confused
Oct 09 20:51:57 <lcuk> SpeedEvil, can I fit it into the hole?
Oct 09 20:52:07 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: you'll have to send it in, or disassemble by yourself
Oct 09 20:52:50 <DocScrutinizer> ProfOak_: you brought up the topic of sat dependent mobile phones
Oct 09 20:52:52 <lcuk> yeah I realise that, i will see what I can do this week
Oct 09 20:53:15 <ProfOak_> Yeah but I'm a noobasaurus
Oct 09 20:53:17 <ProfOak_> rex
Oct 09 20:53:50 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: Of course.
Oct 09 20:54:00 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: you can fit a dremel bit into any hole.
Oct 09 20:54:07 <SpeedEvil> Of course, it may end up larger than it was.
Oct 09 20:54:39 <lcuk> ok SpeedEvil the stylus has a lip near the sharp end
Oct 09 20:54:49 <lcuk> a groove all round
Oct 09 20:54:56 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Oct 09 20:55:18 <lcuk> if I insert it into the hole, when that lip is flush with the side edge its catching the outcrop :'(
Oct 09 20:55:22 <DocScrutinizer> and a plastic spring lever at bottom of the stylus hole of N900
Oct 09 20:55:23 <lcuk> ie, not very far inside
Oct 09 20:56:13 <DocScrutinizer> this spring at start of hole is largely useless, just creating some friction when sliding the stylus in/out
Oct 09 20:56:30 <GAN900> They're holding the city Octoberfest in front of the halfway houses and missions.
Oct 09 20:56:31 <GAN900> Fools.
Oct 09 20:56:34 <DocScrutinizer> seems yours got messed and bent/broken
Oct 09 20:56:34 <lcuk> its likely said spring thats sticking out
Oct 09 20:57:58 <ProfOak_> Can you code in Python on maemo?
Oct 09 20:58:13 <secyrita1> yep
Oct 09 20:58:17 <lcuk> happily
Oct 09 20:58:21 <ProfOak_> That's pretty BA
Oct 09 20:58:30 <secyrita1> i think python is included natively
Oct 09 20:58:31 <ProfOak_> What other langs?
Oct 09 20:58:33 <lcuk> badass?
Oct 09 20:58:39 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: you probably could discard that borked spring with little adverse side efects, but you need to disassemble the case to get a hold on it
Oct 09 20:58:39 <ProfOak_> Yeah, haha
Oct 09 20:58:57 <secyrita1> C c++ ruby php
Oct 09 20:59:08 <ProfOak_> bash, or perl?
Oct 09 20:59:12 <lcuk> ProfOak_, theres pretty much anything required
Oct 09 20:59:20 <lcuk> though I have not seen pascal compiler on maemo yet
Oct 09 20:59:31 <secyrita1> bash, for perl you need to download ext packages
Oct 09 20:59:34 <lcuk> might just be because I havent looked
Oct 09 20:59:38 <DocScrutinizer> WHAAAAAT? No pascal?? *SOB*
Oct 09 20:59:44 * Bash reallys hates his nick sometimes XD
Oct 09 20:59:49 * lcuk giggles
Oct 09 20:59:57 <secyrita1> bash: :D
Oct 09 20:59:58 <ProfOak_> hah
Oct 09 21:00:00 <nox-> haha
Oct 09 21:00:29 <lcuk> bsh_nohighlight, have you added bash as a keyword trigger though?
Oct 09 21:00:39 <bsh_nohighlight> yea
Oct 09 21:00:47 <bsh_nohighlight> cba to change it lol
Oct 09 21:00:57 <bsh_nohighlight> people call me bash irl more than my name
Oct 09 21:01:07 <lcuk> "oi, ill bash you"
Oct 09 21:01:17 <bsh_nohighlight> my names hard to pronouce for some
Oct 09 21:01:19 <bsh_nohighlight> Mobashir
Oct 09 21:01:24 <DocScrutinizer> hah
Oct 09 21:01:33 <DocScrutinizer> Mo was unexpected
Oct 09 21:01:40 <DocScrutinizer> thought Bashir
Oct 09 21:01:50 <bsh_nohighlight> lol
Oct 09 21:02:11 <bsh_nohighlight> brb guys
Oct 09 21:02:21 <bsh_nohighlight> restarting the router
Oct 09 21:02:27 <DocScrutinizer> tztz
Oct 09 21:02:49 * DocScrutinizer reroutes the starter
Oct 09 21:02:53 <lcuk> ProfOak_, I believe you can also write in assembler direct
Oct 09 21:03:07 <ProfOak_> That's pretty amazing
Oct 09 21:03:25 <lcuk> and people like MohammadAG51 just input binary using the accelerometer to indicate 1/0
Oct 09 21:03:43 <DocScrutinizer> ProfOak_: it's linux (though luke-jr_ will argue against that :-P)
Oct 09 21:05:19 <Bash> back :)
Oct 09 21:05:23 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
Oct 09 21:05:40 <DocScrutinizer> your starter has correct route now?
Oct 09 21:05:44 <Bash> router synced itself to 10.mbps
Oct 09 21:05:48 <Bash> lol
Oct 09 21:06:35 <DocScrutinizer> umm. DSL?
Oct 09 21:06:41 <Bash> yea
Oct 09 21:06:45 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
Oct 09 21:07:08 <DocScrutinizer> sometimes, when your neighbour shouts to the phone, this might happen
Oct 09 21:07:28 <nox-> haha
Oct 09 21:07:35 <Bash> haha
Oct 09 21:07:39 <nox-> not to be ruled out i guess... :)
Oct 09 21:08:00 <Bash> i would love cable but then they have a crappy FUP
Oct 09 21:08:51 <DocScrutinizer> actually you shouldn't disable DSL carrier, as neighbour wires in cable to exchange might get a huger bandwidth for their DSL, increasing the noise in your line
Oct 09 21:10:53 <Bash> 16mbps is good for me anyways :)
Oct 09 21:10:57 <Bash> for the price im paying anyway
Oct 09 21:11:00 <ProfOak_> Can you get the n900 working on verizon?
Oct 09 21:11:05 <DocScrutinizer> so ideally you start DSL calibration (aka connecting) at 5AM, while same time doing a phonecall to increase noise in your own line
Oct 09 21:12:47 <DocScrutinizer> you got no crosstalk from neighbour wires, and the noise from own phonecall will make the modems increase output level to get proper S/N headroom
Oct 09 21:14:51 <DocScrutinizer> odds are you get max bandwidth this way, and also keep it when 7AM neighbour switches on his DSL-router
Oct 09 21:15:23 <DocScrutinizer> (he will get 50% of what he's used to then, though XP )
Oct 09 21:15:39 * Bash sets his alarm for 5AM
Oct 09 21:15:58 <jacekowski> how many people switch off their routers?
Oct 09 21:16:06 <DocScrutinizer> a lot
Oct 09 21:16:07 <jacekowski> i keep mine 24/7
Oct 09 21:16:12 <DocScrutinizer> me too
Oct 09 21:16:18 <Bash> same here lol
Oct 09 21:16:31 <jacekowski> so far statistics have proven you're wrong
Oct 09 21:17:18 <DocScrutinizer> the majority that actually does switch off routers never will show up here ;-D
Oct 09 21:17:45 <jacekowski> well, it's like god does exist or not
Oct 09 21:17:56 <jacekowski> but here we have evidence that nobody switches off their router
Oct 09 21:18:11 <jacekowski> you claim that there are somewhere people that do switch off their router
Oct 09 21:18:43 <Bash> jacekowski: i know a few people that turn off their router
Oct 09 21:18:46 <DocScrutinizer> yes, I learnt the hard way when I used a neighbour unknown's WLAN X-D
Oct 09 21:18:47 <jacekowski> that could be nice thing to research
Oct 09 21:19:12 <Bash> how many linux users here?
Oct 09 21:19:21 <DocScrutinizer> 100%
Oct 09 21:19:42 <Bash> i think i can give all you guys something to flame about
Oct 09 21:19:42 <jacekowski> some people here have an iphone
Oct 09 21:19:45 <Bash> regarding me anyways
Oct 09 21:19:51 <DocScrutinizer> there's no winmoob7 for N900 :-)
Oct 09 21:20:22 <Bash> i bought an N900 because mohammadAG told me to XD
Oct 09 21:20:26 <Bash> love it as well
Oct 09 21:20:34 <Bash> you guys are going to hate me for this though
Oct 09 21:20:34 <Bash> http://i.imgur.com/rbrJc.jpg
Oct 09 21:20:35 * DocScrutinizer thinks there might be 2 or 3 users that don't have *any* NIT
Oct 09 21:20:46 <DocScrutinizer> and no Linux machine on desktop
Oct 09 21:20:53 <jacekowski> MohammadAG51: tell him to jump trough the hoops
Oct 09 21:20:59 <jacekowski> MohammadAG51: and run naked on the streets
Oct 09 21:21:23 <jacekowski> Bash: no iPood?
Oct 09 21:21:24 <Bash> jacekowski: if he says it
Oct 09 21:21:31 <Bash> jacekowski:  i have too many lol
Oct 09 21:22:00 <DocScrutinizer> meh, who cares
Oct 09 21:22:07 <Bash> im a linux noob tbh
Oct 09 21:22:11 <jacekowski> we're not fanboys
Oct 09 21:22:18 <DocScrutinizer> there's a lot of them everywhere
Oct 09 21:22:18 * jacekowski throws a rock 
Oct 09 21:22:27 * Bash stops diggings his grave
Oct 09 21:22:35 <Bash> digging*
Oct 09 21:23:29 <DocScrutinizer> they (linux noobs) come in two flavours though: the ones willing to learn, and the bitching ones. Beware of the latter
Oct 09 21:23:38 * SpeedEvil passes bash :(){ :|:& };:
Oct 09 21:23:55 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: and there are ones that learn and bitch
Oct 09 21:24:14 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: rare species
Oct 09 21:24:33 <Bash> I like linux but i never have really gotten into using it as a main OS
Oct 09 21:24:33 <jacekowski> which criterium i don't meet?
Oct 09 21:24:41 <DocScrutinizer> some learn to stop bitching though :-D
Oct 09 21:24:42 <Bash> pc gamer u see ;)
Oct 09 21:24:49 <jacekowski> Bash: i did it for couple years
Oct 09 21:24:51 <ProfOak_> I use linux
Oct 09 21:24:55 <jacekowski> Bash: and then i moved to windows
Oct 09 21:24:56 <ProfOak_> fwiw
Oct 09 21:26:14 <DrHalan> hrmpf i don't get syncevolution to work although it has the same settings as on my desktop..
Oct 09 21:26:29 <DrHalan> are there known bugs with the package in extras-devel?
Oct 09 21:27:29 * Bash goes back to building his house in minecraft lol
Oct 09 21:31:15 <mariorz> i remember there was some tutorial on modifying the menu/menu bar of os2008. cant find it any more
Oct 09 21:32:04 <BCMM> i'd bet anything that Bash is going to get ghosted eventually
Oct 09 21:33:09 <DocScrutinizer> -NickServ- Last addr  : ~bash@archlinux/developer/bash
Oct 09 21:33:25 <DocScrutinizer> -NickServ- Registered : Mar 11 23:58:44 2008
Oct 09 21:33:54 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer: and that doesn't sound like a Windows user's mask :)
Oct 09 21:33:58 <mmlj4> are N900 devices obtainable in USA?
Oct 09 21:34:07 <jacekowski> mmlj4: yes
Oct 09 21:34:19 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM: yep ;-D
Oct 09 21:34:33 <mmlj4> where? nokia's site doesn't say
Oct 09 21:34:37 <DocScrutinizer> Bash: your nick is registered for another user
Oct 09 21:34:52 <Bash1> ;)
Oct 09 21:35:06 <jacekowski> 23:53 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Information on jacekowski (account jacekowski):
Oct 09 21:35:11 <jacekowski> 23:53 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- User reg.  : Mar 10 21:59:24 2006 (4 years, 30 weeks, 2 days, 23:54:07 ago)
Oct 09 21:35:15 <BCMM> mmlj4: lots of places... http://www.google.com/products?q=n900
Oct 09 21:35:17 <DocScrutinizer> Bash1: /msg nickserv help register
Oct 09 21:35:24 <mmlj4> and what's this nonsense about "mail for exchange" for contacts syncing?
Oct 09 21:35:56 <BCMM> it doesn't sound like a windows user's nick either, for that matter
Oct 09 21:36:16 <jacekowski> BCMM: not if you are non linux person
Oct 09 21:36:16 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: ??
Oct 09 21:36:24 <SpeedEvil> Maybe a robot wars fan.
Oct 09 21:36:25 <jacekowski> i'm just showing off
Oct 09 21:36:37 <BCMM> clearly, he should be called COMMAND.COM
Oct 09 21:36:38 <jacekowski> that i've been here for over 4 years
Oct 09 21:36:45 <Bash1> Bash1 has now been verified.
Oct 09 21:36:58 <jacekowski> my uptime is now gone since that 64bit bug in linux
Oct 09 21:37:07 <jacekowski> so uptime is not worth showing
Oct 09 21:37:08 <DocScrutinizer> Bash1: welcome :-)
Oct 09 21:37:17 <Bash1> :)
Oct 09 21:37:22 <Bash1> ty
Oct 09 21:37:30 <SpeedEvil> Hmm.
Oct 09 21:37:36 <SpeedEvil> I thought I'd been registered longer.
Oct 09 21:38:12 <BCMM> jacekowski: i've got 5 years, 26 weeks, 1 day, 04:43:35 ago. much to my surprise
Oct 09 21:38:46 <SpeedEvil> (10:35:23 PM) NickServ: (notice) Registered : Jun 27 19:57:19 2005 (5 years, 15 weeks, 0 days, 01:38:03 ago)
Oct 09 21:38:57 <BCMM> well, this discussion is making me feel less bad about my high slashdot UID
Oct 09 21:39:13 <DocScrutinizer> OMG
Oct 09 21:39:37 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer: ?
Oct 09 21:40:03 <DocScrutinizer> boys on the restroom
Oct 09 21:40:08 <BCMM> haha
Oct 09 21:40:12 <Bash1> LOL
Oct 09 21:40:15 <nox-> haha
Oct 09 21:40:21 <BCMM> or internet; what's the difference?
Oct 09 21:44:50 <mmlj4> if I buy an N900, will I be able to get a plan from say T-mobile and use it as a real phone? Will I retain root access? Will I be happy with this, or should I look for a real phone?
Oct 09 21:45:04 <mmlj4> note, I've had a 770 for 4 years now
Oct 09 21:46:30 <SpeedEvil> mmlj4: where are you?
Oct 09 21:46:37 <mmlj4> new orleans
Oct 09 21:46:38 <jacekowski> mmlj4: yeah, it's not lockable by provider
Oct 09 21:47:00 <SpeedEvil> It is in principle.
Oct 09 21:47:06 <SpeedEvil> But no providcer has bothered.
Oct 09 21:47:10 <mmlj4> I take it they're blazingly fast, compared to my 770?
Oct 09 21:47:30 <SpeedEvil> At running the same version of software, probably.
Oct 09 21:47:32 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: they would have to get nokia to lock it for them
Oct 09 21:47:48 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski: Which nokia said they were happy to do at one point
Oct 09 21:48:20 <jacekowski> i really need to find some decent m-shield docs
Oct 09 21:48:28 <jacekowski> because i have nice way of attacking bootloader
Oct 09 21:48:37 <BCMM> does any network anywhere ship n900s with custom software?
Oct 09 21:48:39 <jacekowski> but it's not working because of m-shield
Oct 09 21:48:50 <ShadowJK> N900 in india have no skype
Oct 09 21:48:52 <BCMM> i mean, i know you could always flash a normal image
Oct 09 21:49:05 <jacekowski> BCMM: not if they lock bootloader
Oct 09 21:49:12 <BCMM> jacekowski: that is possible?
Oct 09 21:49:20 <jacekowski> not with current one
Oct 09 21:49:27 <jacekowski> but in principle on current hardware yes
Oct 09 21:49:43 <ShadowJK> tmobile isn't selling N900 though
Oct 09 21:49:47 <jacekowski> it is
Oct 09 21:49:53 <jacekowski> i have t-mobile n900
Oct 09 21:49:54 <mmlj4> I guess I need to go talk to a t-mobile thief^Wsalesman
Oct 09 21:50:04 <jacekowski> in the UK
Oct 09 21:50:09 <mmlj4> jacekowski: oh? are you happy wiith it?
Oct 09 21:50:12 <BCMM> jacekowski: did you get it through t-mob?
Oct 09 21:50:15 <jacekowski> yes
Oct 09 21:50:20 <BCMM> jacekowski: i have same, but i got it through nokia retail
Oct 09 21:50:22 <jacekowski> £25/mo + 99 for phone
Oct 09 21:50:35 <jacekowski> and well, i'm happy with that they give me on paper
Oct 09 21:50:38 <jacekowski> not what i really get
Oct 09 21:50:43 <BCMM> last time i looked, t-mobile didn't know about the n900 and it wasn't an option on their website and so on, even though i have one on contract from them
Oct 09 21:50:50 <jacekowski> coverage is bad in most places i am
Oct 09 21:50:56 <mmlj4> their website hasn't it listed
Oct 09 21:51:01 <jacekowski> these are not easy areas but o2 managed to get decent 2g
Oct 09 21:51:06 <jacekowski> t-mobile has no signal at all
Oct 09 21:51:15 <BCMM> jacekowski: hope the merger helps you :)
Oct 09 21:51:18 <mmlj4> (see? I can use british syntax too!)
Oct 09 21:51:24 <jacekowski> BCMM: well, it's not from t-mobile directly
Oct 09 21:51:35 <jacekowski> it's from carphone warehouse
Oct 09 21:51:48 <jacekowski> but contract is with t-mobile
Oct 09 21:52:08 <BCMM> yeah, they don't sell it directly, or indeed seem to know it exists
Oct 09 21:52:19 <jacekowski> and on nokia retail site
Oct 09 21:52:28 <mmlj4> but the phone is usable? and it's still a 770-like device, maemo + the garage, etc.?
Oct 09 21:52:33 <jacekowski> you can buy it with t-mobile contract
Oct 09 21:52:41 <jacekowski> mmlj4: you can make phone calls on it
Oct 09 21:52:46 <BCMM> mmlj4: the phone app is fine, yeah
Oct 09 21:53:06 <jacekowski> mmlj4: it has some issues
Oct 09 21:53:07 <mmlj4> "calls" = SIP? or real cellphone usage?
Oct 09 21:53:14 <BCMM> mmlj4: both :)
Oct 09 21:53:15 <jacekowski> mmlj4: but in principle hardware is there
Oct 09 21:53:27 <mmlj4> what kind of issues, please?
Oct 09 21:53:30 <BCMM> mmlj4: it does GSM calls, skype, SIP, and something else i think, out of hte box
Oct 09 21:53:43 <SpeedEvil> BCMM: SMS
Oct 09 21:53:56 <BCMM> SpeedEvil: never heard of SMS calls :)
Oct 09 21:53:57 <mmlj4> gizmo or whatever? never mind, I won't use that
Oct 09 21:54:08 <BCMM> mmlj4: and imho, the GSM calls sound pretty good, best i've used for sound quality
Oct 09 21:54:11 <jacekowski> mmlj4: when somebody calls you with locked screen phone does some weird moves to to go from horizontal to vertical and back
Oct 09 21:54:22 <jacekowski> mmlj4: until it finaly decides and then you can answer the call
Oct 09 21:54:27 <mmlj4> heh
Oct 09 21:54:36 <jacekowski> bugs.maemo.org
Oct 09 21:54:46 <jacekowski> list of all problems
Oct 09 21:54:49 * ShadowJK can't remember a phone where call quality was an issue
Oct 09 21:54:50 <jacekowski> known
Oct 09 21:55:00 <ShadowJK> or rather, I don't ever reemmber hearing any differences in call quality :P
Oct 09 21:55:11 <mmlj4> what of updating the OS? have they figured that out yet?
Oct 09 21:55:19 <jacekowski> no
Oct 09 21:55:21 <BCMM> yeah, t-mobile thinks i use an n80 for some reason - i don't know why they care really
Oct 09 21:55:22 <jacekowski> it's abandoned
Oct 09 21:55:23 <mmlj4> figures
Oct 09 21:55:39 <jacekowski> they will probably release pr1.3 and then unsupported meego
Oct 09 21:55:45 <mmlj4> hrm, abandoned
Oct 09 21:55:48 <jacekowski> and that's all that there will ever be there
Oct 09 21:55:54 <mmlj4> I don't know if I like meego
Oct 09 21:55:56 <jacekowski> unless n9 will get delayed
Oct 09 21:56:00 <BCMM> if there is another potential release, it isn't exactly abandonned yet...
Oct 09 21:56:16 <jacekowski> but maemo will be abandoned after n900
Oct 09 21:57:08 <jacekowski> unless you are in hurry
Oct 09 21:57:10 <jacekowski> wait for n9
Oct 09 21:57:14 <mmlj4> not really a problem, if patches are available (but this was always a problem with the various releases for the 770... 2006, 2007 hacker, etc.)
Oct 09 21:57:18 <jacekowski> it'll be there in less than a year
Oct 09 21:57:30 <mmlj4> but the n9 will have meego?
Oct 09 21:57:34 <jacekowski> yes
Oct 09 21:57:39 <mmlj4> I don't think I want that
Oct 09 21:58:03 <mmlj4> the interface reminds me of computers for children
Oct 09 21:58:23 <mmlj4> geek I am, child I am not
Oct 09 21:58:32 <jacekowski> seriously?
Oct 09 21:58:36 <mmlj4> yes
Oct 09 21:58:37 <jacekowski> do you know that you can change it
Oct 09 21:58:43 <mmlj4> didn't know
Oct 09 21:58:47 <jacekowski> it's linux based
Oct 09 21:58:53 <jacekowski> so most of stuff probably can be changed
Oct 09 21:58:53 <mmlj4> yes
Oct 09 21:59:00 <jacekowski> only question how hard it will be
Oct 09 21:59:41 <BigWookie> OMFG
Oct 09 21:59:49 <BigWookie> i "solved" the problem
Oct 09 22:00:16 <BigWookie> by removing /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-omap-gpio.fdi and /usr/lib/hal/hald-addon-omap-gpio
Oct 09 22:02:23 <qhubekela> BigWookie: please tell me what your problem was..
Oct 09 22:03:02 <BigWookie> i cant believe that
Oct 09 22:03:25 <BigWookie> my problem was the Maemo Emulator with Madde had no graphical output
Oct 09 22:03:38 <nox-> nice :)
Oct 09 22:03:51 <nox-> thats the n900 qemu right?
Oct 09 22:04:07 <BigWookie> which was caused by hald not starting up, which was caused by dbus crashing when hald tried to initialize gpio
Oct 09 22:04:10 <BigWookie> yep
Oct 09 22:04:13 <qhubekela> BigWookie: thanks. happy for you :)
Oct 09 22:04:37 <BigWookie> it took me full 20 hours but it was woth it
Oct 09 22:04:54 <BigWookie> But the great question is not solved ...
Oct 09 22:05:03 <BigWookie> WHY THE FUCK IS IT WORKING ON ANY OTHER COMPUTER
Oct 09 22:05:26 <nox-> other computer == other box running the same qemu?
Oct 09 22:05:55 <BigWookie> i tried 4 of my computers with different os'ses and different versions of madde env even compiled qemu-arm myself
Oct 09 22:06:20 <BigWookie> tried every image i could find , and both madde versions, the standalone and the one of the nokia qt sdk
Oct 09 22:06:44 <DocScrutinizer> mmlj4: if you liked the 770..N810 then you'll love the N900
Oct 09 22:07:12 <BigWookie> a friend of mine had a working emulator, we copied it completely everything in the env was similiar and it wouldn't boot
Oct 09 22:07:27 <DocScrutinizer> gconf?
Oct 09 22:07:27 <SpeedEvil> My first 'wow' moment was when my hard disk on my laptop got a bit dodgy, and I realised I could just rsync / over
Oct 09 22:07:30 <SpeedEvil> to my phone.
Oct 09 22:07:40 <BigWookie> I don't get how it was remotley possible it ran on any other computer
Oct 09 22:08:00 <DocScrutinizer> BigWookie: gconf?
Oct 09 22:08:05 <BigWookie> DocScrutinizer: ?
Oct 09 22:08:15 <nox-> BigWookie, different version of the qemu sources?
Oct 09 22:08:18 <BigWookie> I don't have gnome
Oct 09 22:08:40 <DocScrutinizer> lol, I wish I could say this for my N900 too
Oct 09 22:08:48 <BigWookie> nox-: i had qemu compiled by myself the one of the qt sdk kit and the one of the madde kit
Oct 09 22:08:52 * DocScrutinizer hates g*
Oct 09 22:09:01 <BigWookie> Ratpoison~
Oct 09 22:09:05 <BigWookie> *!
Oct 09 22:09:08 <DocScrutinizer> still for maemo you'll need it
Oct 09 22:09:28 <BigWookie> i doubt that ^^
Oct 09 22:09:42 <DocScrutinizer> oh?
Oct 09 22:10:23 <DocScrutinizer> so how will all the tweaks starting like "gconftool2 * bla blub..." work on N900 then?
Oct 09 22:10:47 <BigWookie> DocScrutinizer: i was speaking about the host, not Maemo itself
Oct 09 22:10:55 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
Oct 09 22:11:17 <DocScrutinizer> still I got it you were trying to run maemo on host?
Oct 09 22:11:26 <DocScrutinizer> in qemu or sth
Oct 09 22:11:52 <BigWookie> qemu-arm
Oct 09 22:12:08 * DocScrutinizer shrugs
Oct 09 22:13:16 <BigWookie> i know i don't have a cause for all that, but where should I report the bug?
Oct 09 22:13:57 <DocScrutinizer> I have no f'ing clue if gconf settings will get easily copied from one machine to another
Oct 09 22:14:02 <nox-> so it happened on one box with the same qemu source that worked on another box?
Oct 09 22:14:55 <nox-> DocScrutinizer, its an emulated n900, and my guess there's something up with the way the gpio is emulated (or not)
Oct 09 22:15:03 <DocScrutinizer> the *hal* part of your hotfix and bug description seems to point to hw diffs between the machines
Oct 09 22:15:14 <BigWookie> nox-: i ported the whole madde envirovement
Oct 09 22:15:18 <luke-jr_> [17:04:49] <DocScrutinizer> mmlj4: if you liked the 770..N810 then you'll love the N900
Oct 09 22:15:28 <mmlj4> you concur, then?
Oct 09 22:15:30 <luke-jr_> DocScrutinizer: how do you figure? N900 is significantly inferior to N810 in many major ways?
Oct 09 22:15:38 <luke-jr_> last ? should be .
Oct 09 22:16:01 <luke-jr_> (at the same time, N900 is significantly superior to it as well in other ways)
Oct 09 22:16:23 <luke-jr_> mmlj4: I think it depends on what you want to do with it
Oct 09 22:16:30 <BigWookie> DocScrutinizer: possible but confusing, i had a amd desktop with ati graphics, a intel atom with intel graphics and a atom desktop with nvidia ion, all running versions of ubuntu, AND a virtual Windows 7
Oct 09 22:17:25 <DocScrutinizer> has the box which doesn't work some special network card or sth?
Oct 09 22:17:49 <DocScrutinizer> like... "FDI" maybe :-)
Oct 09 22:17:49 <nox-> or maybe its some kind of race that only shows up on a faster/slower box?
Oct 09 22:17:49 <mmlj4> I want a phone and a 770-style device in one unit, and I want it much faster than the 770, and I want to be able to get root, install apps and do geeky sysadmin tricks with it
Oct 09 22:18:09 <mmlj4> fit the bill?
Oct 09 22:18:17 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Oct 09 22:18:22 <DocScrutinizer> definitely
Oct 09 22:18:25 <mmlj4> then I want.
Oct 09 22:18:28 <luke-jr_> I'm sure N900 beats 770 out in every way
Oct 09 22:18:44 <luke-jr_> N900 has however been a great disappointment to many who simply want a phone
Oct 09 22:19:02 <BigWookie> DocScrutinizer: it didn't run on all of that boxes
Oct 09 22:19:04 <luke-jr_> if 770 with a simple phone proof-of-concept app fits the bill, then N900 should exceed it
Oct 09 22:19:19 <mmlj4> why are they disappointed? because they have trouble listening to Britney tunes on it?
Oct 09 22:19:21 <BigWookie> the box that ran it had a intel graphics and a atom like my netbook
Oct 09 22:19:23 <luke-jr_> (assuming you can get compatible phone service)
Oct 09 22:19:29 <BigWookie> i also tried starting qemu without the networks
Oct 09 22:19:45 <luke-jr_> mmlj4: because N900 doesn't support many advanced phone features (MMS, whatever newfangled nonsense otherwise), and can be laggy
Oct 09 22:19:59 <luke-jr_> and doesn't function like a phone is usually expected to
Oct 09 22:20:15 <DocScrutinizer> BigWookie: the calling UI is very limited in its functionality compared to even basic feature phones. Like no profiles, no per contact ringtones, etc pp
Oct 09 22:20:15 <mmlj4> laggy? GUI-laggy, or voice latency?
Oct 09 22:20:24 <DocScrutinizer> err
Oct 09 22:20:31 <DocScrutinizer> mmlj4: ^^
Oct 09 22:20:33 <BigWookie> ^^
Oct 09 22:20:34 <luke-jr_> mmlj4: GUI laggy, including delaying your ability to answer calls quickly in some cases
Oct 09 22:20:44 <mmlj4> hr
Oct 09 22:20:47 <mmlj4> hrm
Oct 09 22:20:57 <luke-jr_> mmlj4: but that is strictly software issue
Oct 09 22:21:06 <mmlj4> I'm assuming setting up swap space is still an option?
Oct 09 22:21:14 <luke-jr_> in theory, disabling rotation *should* fix it, but it's broken in PR1.2
Oct 09 22:21:29 <luke-jr_> mmlj4: N900 ships with 768 MB swap enabled and for all practical uses required
Oct 09 22:21:35 <nox-> BigWookie, so slower host was ok and faster needed your workaround?
Oct 09 22:21:36 <luke-jr_> Mameo is a memory hog :/
Oct 09 22:21:57 <DocScrutinizer> mmlj4: though most of those limitations are fixed by community driven tweaks now
Oct 09 22:22:02 <luke-jr_> (note that on the other hand, KDE 4.3 *barely* was able to run in N810's 128 MB RAM)
Oct 09 22:22:12 <luke-jr_> DocScrutinizer: there's a tweak to disable the rotate bs?
Oct 09 22:22:42 <DocScrutinizer> err, I gather tweaking transitions will cure that issue, yes
Oct 09 22:22:48 <luke-jr_> ?
Oct 09 22:24:44 <mmlj4> "ships with" means I can increase it from the shell, if needed... cool
Oct 09 22:25:35 <mmlj4> still 128MB RAM? don't these fools know what .5 or 1 gig RAM would do?
Oct 09 22:25:41 <DocScrutinizer> mmlj4: yep. see e.g. http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Oct 09 22:25:51 <mmlj4> Joerg? the perl guy?
Oct 09 22:25:53 <ShadowJK> N900 has 256M ram
Oct 09 22:26:06 <DocScrutinizer> nope, I'm no perl guy
Oct 09 22:26:17 <mmlj4> that's you?
Oct 09 22:26:18 <mmlj4> ok
Oct 09 22:26:28 <DocScrutinizer> ~ DocScrutinizer
Oct 09 22:26:29 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko
Oct 09 22:26:32 <mmlj4> oh, it was juerg
Oct 09 22:27:51 <mmlj4> "c&p"?
Oct 09 22:28:00 <mmlj4> copy.paste?
Oct 09 22:28:12 <DocScrutinizer> mmlj4: though you honestly don't want more swap. It's getting dog slow when using 256MB of swap, and almost unusable when you come near 700MB
Oct 09 22:28:13 <BigWookie> nox-: the speed didn't matter
Oct 09 22:28:28 <mmlj4> :-/
Oct 09 22:28:46 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, actually, the bigger the swap, the longer it takes before swap fragmentation manifests itself
Oct 09 22:28:51 <nox-> BigWookie, well what was the difference then?  all same qemu sources?
Oct 09 22:28:54 <ShadowJK> even if you only ever use 100M
Oct 09 22:28:56 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: that's true
Oct 09 22:29:01 <BigWookie> nox-: as said, yes
Oct 09 22:29:14 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, I suspect this is why it was chosen to be as big as it is
Oct 09 22:29:21 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Oct 09 22:29:34 <BigWookie> nox-: i can't find a rational explanation for this
Oct 09 22:29:47 <nox-> BigWookie, well if it was some kind of timing/race issue it _could_ be host dependent...
Oct 09 22:29:51 <mmlj4> I may just have to get me an N900 then
Oct 09 22:30:05 <DocScrutinizer> mmlj4: go for it
Oct 09 22:30:10 <mmlj4> if I can justify spending $400 on a phone
Oct 09 22:30:16 <BigWookie> nox-: the Xserver waits for hal , and hal will never come up
Oct 09 22:30:17 <ShadowJK> My N900 is away for repair, and I'm just about resisting the urge to go buy another one to keep me covered.
Oct 09 22:30:28 <nox-> BigWookie, anyway i guess you could report it to whoever maintains this n900 qemu branch...
Oct 09 22:30:35 <DocScrutinizer> mmlj4: see ShadowJK ^^^
Oct 09 22:30:36 <DocScrutinizer> :-)
Oct 09 22:30:40 <mmlj4> heh
Oct 09 22:30:55 <ShadowJK> also I'm stuck with a Nokia E75 :-)
Oct 09 22:30:59 <mmlj4> so finally a phone for linux hard-cores? cool
Oct 09 22:31:15 <DocScrutinizer> mmlj4: you'll want to keep good care about your USB receptacle
Oct 09 22:31:31 <mmlj4> it's fragile?
Oct 09 22:31:34 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Oct 09 22:31:37 <ShadowJK> yes
Oct 09 22:32:30 <ShadowJK> There will be "teeth" on the USB charger plug. You'll want to go rent a few boring movies, spend a sunday infront of the movies while pressing down on those teeth with your nails
Oct 09 22:32:39 <ShadowJK> to reduce the force by which the grip on to the usb receptable
Oct 09 22:32:45 <ShadowJK> by which they*
Oct 09 22:33:12 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
Oct 09 22:33:16 <mmlj4> light filing would fix it?
Oct 09 22:33:23 <DocScrutinizer> deprecated
Oct 09 22:33:55 <ShadowJK> When new, my N900's USB receptable when I plugged it into the DC-10 car charger sat so firmly I could have wrapped the charger cable around a large, filled coke bottle and lifted the bottle with the usb port
Oct 09 22:34:18 <mmlj4> is it standard USB?
Oct 09 22:34:23 <ShadowJK> it's that tight, and has resulted in the usb receptable coming out of hte N900 instead of the usb plug, well, unplugging
Oct 09 22:34:24 <DocScrutinizer> no, you can't :-P It'll come out
Oct 09 22:34:28 <ShadowJK> MicroUSB
Oct 09 22:34:36 <mmlj4> yeah, that's what I meant
Oct 09 22:34:59 <ds3> uUSB
Oct 09 22:35:17 <ShadowJK> USB is a bit confusing. Mini USB is deprecated and now nonstandard. MicroUSB is standard
Oct 09 22:35:26 <ShadowJK> but nobody has seen MicroUSB before ;)
Oct 09 22:35:28 <ShadowJK> or almost
Oct 09 22:35:37 <jacekowski> usb charger plug sucks
Oct 09 22:35:46 <jacekowski> it's not reliable
Oct 09 22:35:46 <DocScrutinizer> mine is fine
Oct 09 22:35:53 <mmlj4> well, thanks
Oct 09 22:35:55 <ds3> I want a dedicated charger port back
Oct 09 22:36:00 <mmlj4> I have thinking and justifying to do
Oct 09 22:36:00 <ShadowJK> me too :)
Oct 09 22:36:01 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Oct 09 22:36:04 <jacekowski> i can connect normal usb charger + usb cable + phone
Oct 09 22:36:05 <ds3> the code that manages teh charging is AFU
Oct 09 22:36:11 <jacekowski> and it will charge at 1A+ reliably
Oct 09 22:36:14 <BigWookie> .... but even though its working now... its painfully slow and won't use more then one core ^^
Oct 09 22:36:18 * ShadowJK uses his own code to manage charging :-)
Oct 09 22:36:23 <jacekowski> i can wiggle it and do stuff and nothing will happen
Oct 09 22:36:35 <ds3> ShadowJK: does your code realize power is shutoff?
Oct 09 22:36:36 <jacekowski> while with nokia usb charger wiggling it makes it do strange things
Oct 09 22:36:47 <jacekowski> and it only charges when cable is pushed towards the front
Oct 09 22:36:48 <ShadowJK> ds3, what do you mean?
Oct 09 22:37:23 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: you have a broken charger jack
Oct 09 22:37:29 <ds3> ShadowJK: plug charge into wall; plug uUSB into n900...it starts charging; unplug charger from wall... n900 will happy drain your battery w/o realizing I unplugged it from the wall
Oct 09 22:37:33 <ShadowJK> jacekowski, my original charger works fine regardless of wiggling
Oct 09 22:37:40 <jacekowski> mine doesn't
Oct 09 22:37:41 <SpeedEvil> Mine too
Oct 09 22:37:41 <DocScrutinizer> mine too
Oct 09 22:37:43 <SpeedEvil> Well
Oct 09 22:37:50 <SpeedEvil> Apart from the one I got wet.
Oct 09 22:37:51 <jacekowski> my experience is that it sucks
Oct 09 22:37:58 <SpeedEvil> and the end kinda went blue.
Oct 09 22:38:11 <jacekowski> have you taken any LSD
Oct 09 22:38:28 <ShadowJK> ds3, well mine doesn't really have a UI :-)
Oct 09 22:38:31 <DocScrutinizer> ds3: unusual
Oct 09 22:38:44 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, I've actually seen this phenomenon too with the car charger :-)
Oct 09 22:38:51 <ds3> DocScrutinizer: it is quite common of a problem if I am using it in a vehicle with a switched outlet
Oct 09 22:39:13 <ds3> so now I got to remember to unplug it when I stop and to remember to plug in only AFTER I start the engine
Oct 09 22:39:22 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, I think it's twl4030 detecting low voltages and low currents as vbus valid, and bme indicating charging
Oct 09 22:39:54 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, I've noticed it takes minutes to discharge the buffer C of charger and notice the VBUS actually doesn't provide any more voltage
Oct 09 22:40:42 <ds3> btw, has host mode moved forward in the last two months or so?
Oct 09 22:40:52 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Oct 09 22:41:24 <ShadowJK> ds3, my script ignores vbus, the charger chip stops trying to draw power once the available current drops below some relatively high threshold, at which point my scipt tries to tell USB to power down. Even if the charger hw would retry, it would give up pretty fast afterwards I think, so my code would generally not realize your unpowered wall adapter is still connected
Oct 09 22:41:25 <DocScrutinizer> we published the state of June in a nice packet :-P
Oct 09 22:41:55 <ds3> state of June?
Oct 09 22:42:10 <lcuk> whats best long term backup medium?
Oct 09 22:42:17 <ds3> ShadowJK: hmmm and will it automatically figure out if power is available?
Oct 09 22:42:26 <lcuk> for consumer - ~500gb atm
Oct 09 22:42:37 <ShadowJK> but what the rest of the system would do in response to oscillating vbus I don't know. The USB would maybe get reactivated, which would cause a current draw of 80mA or so, which on its own would make the battery drain in a day
Oct 09 22:42:43 <ds3> ShadowJK: i.e. the flip side, plug in B cable w/o anyting on the other end... then plug it into a charging source
Oct 09 22:42:54 <ShadowJK> Yeah that should be fine
Oct 09 22:42:58 <ShadowJK> maybe
Oct 09 22:43:07 <ShadowJK> yeah
Oct 09 22:43:20 <ds3> ShadowJK: is your code available in a repo?
Oct 09 22:43:32 <DocScrutinizer> ds3: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=824197#post824197
Oct 09 22:43:34 <ShadowJK> no it's not really user friendly :-)
Oct 09 22:44:06 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: HDD
Oct 09 22:44:07 <ds3> ShadowJK: that isn't really a problem...just don't want to deal with the overhead (figuring out where to stash things, etc)
Oct 09 22:44:26 <ShadowJK> hm?
Oct 09 22:44:57 <ds3> there are 2 basic parts to gettign something running on the N900 - getting files in the right places and actually doing it
Oct 09 22:45:20 <ds3> I can figure out the electronics/raw values/etc...the other part is just plain nuisance that I will happily leave it up to the package manager
Oct 09 22:46:15 <ShadowJK> oh one issue I don't handle is when bq24150 gets upset and decides to reset to default settings. The defaults never charge the battery fully :)
Oct 09 22:46:30 <ds3> that could get annoying
Oct 09 22:47:08 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: what about finally fixing those few little 'bugs' and pushing it to jrbme?
Oct 09 22:47:39 <laasonen> http://pastebin.org/81279 Why doesn't gtk.TreeView.set_search_column do anything?
Oct 09 22:48:29 <ShadowJK> When I get my N900 back I can merge some stuff from "charge 3", the "negative resistance" one, into charge 2 the "sane" one that should help me make it saner..
Oct 09 22:48:47 <ds3> DocScrutinizer: thanks
Oct 09 22:49:39 <ShadowJK> my charge3 script exceeds bq27200.sh in line count and bytecount :D
Oct 09 22:52:10 <mmlj4> my thinkoutside bluetooth keyboard will work with an N900?
Oct 09 22:52:51 <mmlj4> (that's kind of the whole point.. I need a real keyboard for real sysadmin tasks while logged into servers)
Oct 09 22:53:23 <BCMM> mmlj4: how much typing do you need to do for sysadmin tasks? for quick stuff, the builtin keyboard is quite capable
Oct 09 22:53:33 <psycho_oreos> I've heard most bluetooth keyboards are supported
Oct 09 22:54:28 <mmlj4> and tethering to laptops with DUN?
Oct 09 22:55:01 <psycho_oreos> you can tether in multiple ways
Oct 09 22:55:04 <ShadowJK> DUN works fine
Oct 09 22:55:25 <ShadowJK> I usually use USB cable though, and pick "PC Suite" mode when N900 asks.
Oct 09 22:55:33 <psycho_oreos> ditto
Oct 09 22:55:47 <ShadowJK> It then appears as a serial port, and can be treated the same way as a bluetooth dun serial port
Oct 09 22:55:53 <mmlj4> heh, I'd prefer to able to put an IP manually onto to the bluetooth adapter, and run NAT
Oct 09 22:56:33 <ShadowJK> bluetooth keyboards don't work out of hte box, i vaguely remember seeing solutions on the forums though
Oct 09 22:56:57 <ShadowJK> Bluetooth DUN server support is a simple install from Maemo.org repository
Oct 09 22:56:59 <mmlj4> ShadowJK: I had to run something off the garage for my 770
Oct 09 22:57:22 <VladNistor> i have a nokia bluetooth keyboard i got a while back and it works
Oct 09 22:58:51 <DocScrutinizer> I heard all BUT nokia bt kbds are supported :-P
Oct 09 22:59:11 <nox-> haha really?
Oct 09 23:00:10 <psycho_oreos> well that's a bit of irony, much like the bluetooth headset which works on and off with bh-905
Oct 09 23:00:11 * nox- now finds the internal kbd at least `usable' after fixing the return key bug
Oct 09 23:00:14 <DocScrutinizer> might be obsolete info though
Oct 09 23:00:19 <DocScrutinizer> or incorrect
Oct 09 23:00:30 <DocScrutinizer> yo!
Oct 09 23:00:55 <DocScrutinizer> return key bug was a PITA
Oct 09 23:01:03 <nox-> indeed
Oct 09 23:02:02 <nox-> and had i found that ticket earlier i wouldnt have to mess with the terminfo/termcap :)
Oct 09 23:02:14 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools to the rescue :-D
Oct 09 23:02:50 <DocScrutinizer> nox-: many thanks for pointing me to that ticket
Oct 09 23:03:08 <nox-> heh np :)
Oct 09 23:26:55 <BigWookie> for everyone who was interrested in the whole n900 emulator thing - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=837405#post837405
Oct 09 23:32:53 <BigWookie> and now by
Oct 09 23:34:27 <psycho_oreos> how big are the MADDE installers?
Oct 09 23:35:46 <psycho_oreos> nm
Oct 09 23:47:37 <mikki-kun> can somebody point me to the file where chosen apps to install by fapman is "cached"? fapman is in an endless-loop and i would like to pick up where it left, namely downloading the last few packages and it install them then
Oct 10 00:02:06 <djdm> nickserv
Oct 10 00:02:26 <djdm> bah, whoops - ignore me :)
Oct 10 00:04:23 <mikki-kun> /ignore djdm <--- like this?
Oct 10 00:04:26 <mikki-kun> ^^
Oct 10 00:39:49 <SpeedEvil> I find the headphones on my n900 quite acceptable.
Oct 10 00:40:20 <SpeedEvil> Does anyone recommend an A2DP blob I can stick them into to use them wirelessly from the n900?
Oct 10 00:41:43 <jacekowski> motorola makes quite nice dj kind headphones
Oct 10 00:43:23 <SpeedEvil> I'm more looking for a blob - the n900 phones are quite OK.
Oct 10 00:43:26 <jacekowski> not the best ones though
Oct 10 00:43:36 <jacekowski> i mean headphone part is good
Oct 10 00:43:40 <jacekowski> if you connect it via cable
Oct 10 00:43:48 <jacekowski> bluetooth part is noisy a bit
Oct 10 00:43:48 <SpeedEvil> I guess hit up dealextreme
Oct 10 00:44:21 <DocScrutinizer> http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.mymedia/joerg900.10092 :-)
Oct 10 00:44:25 <jacekowski> but it looks like some sort of dynamics compression fail
Oct 10 00:44:30 <jacekowski> rather than quality
Oct 10 00:44:41 <jacekowski> because if you play something lound and then stop it
Oct 10 00:44:47 <jacekowski> then noise comes back gradualy
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Oct 10 00:44:50 <SpeedEvil> meh
Oct 10 00:46:05 <DocScrutinizer> meh
Oct 10 00:46:25 <SpeedEvil> I should join, but I can't easily
Oct 10 00:47:19 <DocScrutinizer> http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10092
Oct 10 00:48:59 <SpeedEvil> window switching from keyb?
Oct 10 00:49:08 <SpeedEvil> Only partially loaded - my internet being slow
Oct 10 00:49:55 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Oct 10 00:50:21 <nox-> whats that, some kind of new `window manager' keyboard controls?
Oct 10 00:51:25 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Oct 10 00:51:58 <SpeedEvil> neat
Oct 10 00:55:00 <nox-> # set ctl-BS to my preferred operation mode
Oct 10 00:55:07 <nox-> its that that does it?
Oct 10 01:03:53 <ieatlint> ah, a nice saturday with fighter jets flying overhead and a dozen officers holding shotguns raiding the next door neighbour
Oct 10 01:06:36 <SpeedEvil> Close-air-support?
Oct 10 01:06:53 <SpeedEvil> If your cops need that, then the neighbourhood is in trouble.
Oct 10 01:07:03 <nox-> wow you have crazy neighbours...
Oct 10 01:08:05 <ieatlint> nah, the fighter jets were for an airshow happening over the city, but they're fucking loud
Oct 10 01:11:32 <DocScrutinizer> nox-: yes, of course together with the modified hildon desktop, same §
Oct 10 01:12:38 <DocScrutinizer> # fix annoying hildon-desktop cpu hog bug
Oct 10 01:12:39 <DocScrutinizer> ## new: with ctrl-BS for nice taskswitching, see
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