**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 11 02:59:57 2010 Oct 11 03:01:45 Hi! I have Nokia 3110 C handset Oct 11 03:02:30 suddenly the display is showing lines and partly the screen is blurred Oct 11 03:25:32 hmm, interesting Oct 11 03:26:23 maybe get a N900 instead :-) Oct 11 03:27:43 he must've dropped it ;) Oct 11 04:33:11 (calls), just reroute audio output to pc, and mic unput from pc Oct 11 05:27:28 moo all Oct 11 05:39:35 RST38h: moo back Oct 11 06:15:43 hello. does anyone know about n900 phone, that how to get it so that the music album arts won't show up in the n900's gallery? there's one link to maemotalk, but somehow they haven't been working this morning Oct 11 06:19:32 talk.maemo.org is down, and I wouldn't know how to get album arts into gallery either.. I sort of know how to get it appear when you play via media player Oct 11 06:20:18 I think if anything the image maybe stored in the same directory as the file that contains album art under a hidden directory Oct 11 06:24:06 woohoo Oct 11 06:24:10 all caught up w/ email Oct 11 06:24:44 now all i have to do is read 10 or so very long documents w/ a fine-tooth comb Oct 11 06:25:54 gaddammit again with the database errors?!?! Oct 11 06:28:37 ? Oct 11 06:28:51 ieatlint, tmo, fmc. Oct 11 06:29:10 tmo works for me Oct 11 06:29:20 same fmc Oct 11 06:30:51 fmc? Oct 11 06:33:34 forum.meego.com Oct 11 06:34:01 ahh ok, ta Oct 11 06:52:05 tmo was down a few minutes ago but meh Oct 11 06:58:56 * ieatlint was introduced to alloca() tonight Oct 11 07:12:41 hi dudes, I want to make my n900 box password protected (unlock), is there any settings? (or any package) Oct 11 07:13:38 umm, power key and lock device? Oct 11 07:13:56 it will ask security code after that Oct 11 07:15:21 it will ask for a code if a code is set in... Oct 11 07:15:59 settings > device lock Oct 11 07:16:34 Is there an opportunity to use the firmware flasher on x86_64 ? Oct 11 07:16:40 with no i686 chroot. Oct 11 07:17:16 so on the native x86_64 host. Oct 11 07:17:30 I think it is but I can't guarantee the data will be written properly.. or it might Oct 11 07:17:52 workd for me after the ovi suite was installd Oct 11 07:18:12 had some driver issue before this Oct 11 07:18:28 secyrita1, infobot, tnx dudes Oct 11 07:18:55 driver issues? Oct 11 07:19:36 yeh, -w7x64 kept trying to install a driver... -and the flasher app would not pick up the device Oct 11 07:19:39 psycho_oreos: did you speak to me ? Oct 11 07:20:09 there is no available x86_64 binary on the official website (linux host). Oct 11 07:20:27 ahh... dunno bout tux Oct 11 07:21:10 djszapi, yes , in theory it might be supported but I can't guarantee that Oct 11 07:21:17 inTransit, ahh thought so :) Oct 11 07:22:16 psycho_oreos: I guess it is not that good idea to flash it from inside the scratchbox. Oct 11 07:22:39 afaik for starters, x86_64 has backward compatibility, its just slight variances with large mem blocks and slightly different addressing table but then again x86 codes may run in their own `containers' or so I think Oct 11 07:23:08 djszapi, heh not really but again I have not tried doing that Oct 11 07:23:28 k ty Oct 11 07:23:39 bye Oct 11 07:34:49 Morning, all Oct 11 07:36:55 in the n900 desktop taskbar there is an icon to the left of the battery state - what's it for? Oct 11 07:37:35 jpinx-eeepc: bell icon? Oct 11 07:37:49 probably data conn icon Oct 11 07:37:54 doesn't look much like a bell ;) Oct 11 07:37:57 jpinx-eeepc: ah.. you mean GSM iconbar Oct 11 07:38:29 jpinx-eeepc, above the am/pm of the time? Oct 11 07:38:39 jpinx-eeepc: it shows gsm/3g signal strength and 2/2.5/3/3.5G below to give you info of features Oct 11 07:38:59 4 or 5 horizontal white bars over a wine-glass base Oct 11 07:39:21 ^what hrw said Oct 11 07:39:45 ah - ok - is it the mobile signal strength? Oct 11 07:39:48 yes Oct 11 07:39:51 cool -- thanks Oct 11 07:40:36 jpinx-eeepc: n900 is your first cellphone? Oct 11 07:40:39 * jpinx-eeepc gets lots of signal . no data :( Oct 11 07:40:59 hrw: first smart phone - yep Oct 11 07:41:30 good choice Oct 11 07:41:42 jpinx-eeepc: and your previous phones lacked signal strenght meter? Oct 11 07:42:03 It is a brilliant concept, but poorly executed Oct 11 07:42:05 I would said "quite good choice" Oct 11 07:42:30 hmmm... ure opinion, not mine Oct 11 07:42:35 sure Oct 11 07:42:51 inTransit: you reckon it's 100% ok? Oct 11 07:42:57 but if I will change phone in 2011 then ->Android Oct 11 07:43:10 hrw: I was having a blonde moment about that icon... Oct 11 07:43:21 i think its the most capable mobile device ive used Oct 11 07:43:40 inTransit: same here, but i9t is still poorly executed Oct 11 07:44:09 there are so many "features" that are basically not well written Oct 11 07:44:17 inTransit: capable yes. but capabilities needs to be used... Oct 11 07:44:41 who would write a calendar that doesn't scroll week-by-week ? Oct 11 07:44:57 sure, -not as refined as some other offerings... but thn maemo was fresh Oct 11 07:45:04 jpinx-eeepc: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/04/21/maemo5-calendar-is-it-cruel-joke/ Oct 11 07:45:11 Yay! Anti-oss conspiracy! http://blog.javier-carrete.com/2010/10/wikileaks-publishes-documents-on-plan.html Oct 11 07:45:16 hrw :) Oct 11 07:45:16 * inTransit hopes meego completes the process Oct 11 07:45:25 inTransit: in 2012 maybe Oct 11 07:45:57 hrw: I bunged a chroot of debian squueze in there and run stuff on that ;) Oct 11 07:46:00 yeh... -dont want the maemo feel to dissapear though Oct 11 07:46:35 inTransit: that's eyecandy - I need functions that actually do what they aare supposed to Oct 11 07:47:05 id kinda like both... Oct 11 07:47:40 function first - I'm all in favour of dressing it up sexy once it actually works ;) Oct 11 07:47:48 hahaHA Oct 11 07:49:01 hrw: fwiw - tha link is either b0rked or "filtered" here ;) Oct 11 07:53:42 how much more resource intesive is android in comparison to maemo? Oct 11 07:56:49 jpinx-eeepc: company firewall with words filtering? Oct 11 07:58:12 hrw: check my whois location... ; Oct 11 07:59:12 .th is? Oct 11 07:59:30 wiki://.th Oct 11 07:59:55 Thailand... Oct 11 08:01:23 china is not the only place to have a great firewall ;) Oct 11 08:02:42 Most other countries allow you to hold accounts with shell providers in other countries, though, right? Oct 11 08:02:55 jpinx-eeepc: planet.maemo.org works? Oct 11 08:03:12 indeed but the great firewall was link to a proud chinese historic and iconic figure called great wall which obviously does its job to keep enemies out and so firewall does more or less the same thing.. seeing as how its used on mass scale the term was later coined by the media as great firewall Oct 11 08:03:18 jpinx-eeepc: http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/?org_openpsa_qbpager_net_nehmer_blog_index_page=75 has this post Oct 11 08:03:27 bleh Oct 11 08:05:00 it's so funny to still see people use variables the size of a house block Oct 11 08:05:45 meaning a very very large variable? Oct 11 08:05:48 hrw: whaat am I looking for there? Oct 11 08:05:57 crashanddie: maemo.org backend is fun in many places Oct 11 08:06:11 hrw, I know, I looked at it Oct 11 08:06:27 jpinx-eeepc: find "cruel" and read copy of my http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/04/21/maemo5-calendar-is-it-cruel-joke/ post ;D Oct 11 08:06:37 crashanddie: I preferred not to Oct 11 08:06:47 hrw: ok Oct 11 08:19:30 timeless_mbp: ping Oct 11 08:19:37 ~seen timeless_mbp Oct 11 08:19:39 pong Oct 11 08:19:42 timeless_mbp is currently on #maemo (1d 10h 35m 19s) #meego (1d 10h 35m 19s). Has said a total of 43 messages. Is idling for 1h 54m 57s, last said: 'now all i have to do is read 10 or so very long documents w/ a fine-tooth comb'. Oct 11 08:20:20 timeless_mbp: I know you're likely not personally involved, but do you know someone from the team that created libhildondesktop? Oct 11 08:20:54 i'm sure i could find someone Oct 11 08:21:23 timeless_mbp: the problem that I'm facing is that most of the stuff is completely undocumented Oct 11 08:21:33 timeless_mbp: for example, http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libhildondesktop/HDPluginManager.html Oct 11 08:21:49 quick question, should I go for Debian or Ubuntu on my laptop? Oct 11 08:21:57 (and yes, those are the only two options) Oct 11 08:22:24 how will you use it and for how long? Oct 11 08:22:26 timeless_mbp: this one is the most documented... see http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libhildondesktop/HDPluginLoader.html that one doesn't contain any doc at all Oct 11 08:22:31 and do both actually support your laptop? Oct 11 08:22:50 Venemo: nice Oct 11 08:23:05 crashanddie: debian for stability and support, ubunto for new-ness Oct 11 08:23:15 timeless_mbp, I'm sick of Windows 7 giving blue-screen shit, and I just want to develop quietly. Main features that will be used: FUSE for SSHFS, gvim and git. Oct 11 08:23:28 And probably wine for spotify goodness in the background Oct 11 08:23:38 crashanddie: debian then Oct 11 08:23:44 crashanddie: have you gotten minidumps for the bluescreens? Oct 11 08:23:49 those should be solvable / reportable Oct 11 08:23:52 timeless_mbp, yeah Oct 11 08:23:53 and run your wincrap in a vm ;) Oct 11 08:24:01 crashanddie: did they finger something? Oct 11 08:24:04 timeless_mbp: there is of course the default implementation and the Qt plugion loader implementation, too, which would give me some hints, but their sources also don't contain any doc at all Oct 11 08:24:09 (if the problem is hardware related, get the hardware replaced...) Oct 11 08:24:30 Venemo: so… i could find someone Oct 11 08:24:33 timeless_mbp, supposedly, it's the ethernet card driver that's causing it, however, I installed a handful of different versions, and it's always the same Oct 11 08:24:37 but i'm not going to find someone who will offer documentation Oct 11 08:24:51 if they didn't do it while working on it, there's no way they'll do it while they aren't paid to do it.. Oct 11 08:25:12 crashanddie: ok Oct 11 08:25:31 timeless_mbp: it would be enough if you find someone who could spare 10-15 minutes to explain me how the thing works and basically how can I implement my own Oct 11 08:25:38 timeless_mbp, could also come from the fact that the antivirus is plugging into the driver to stop malicious stuff, and that's buggering the whole system Oct 11 08:25:49 crashanddie: just spend a few months in kernel debugger :) Oct 11 08:26:06 crashanddie: which are you using? i like MSE Oct 11 08:26:23 Venemo: i'll see if i can dig someone up Oct 11 08:26:30 timeless_mbp: thank you Oct 11 08:26:35 timeless_mbp, dunno, it's the corporate laptop, whatever's on there by default I guess Oct 11 08:26:42 you might ask lcuk or w00t, one of them might be in a better position to dig someone up Oct 11 08:26:51 crashanddie: = crap typically Oct 11 08:27:09 well, for the price that companies pay Dell to provide corporate laptops Oct 11 08:27:17 timeless_mbp: I was able to decypher some of the process involved, but most of the thing doesn't make any sense to me Oct 11 08:27:18 the corporate AV(+firewall+vpn)s i've had to deal w/ cause more pain/bsod's than anything esle Oct 11 08:27:21 s/esle/else/ Oct 11 08:27:22 timeless_mbp meant: the corporate AV(+firewall+vpn)s i've had to deal w/ cause more pain/bsod's than anything else Oct 11 08:27:23 they might as well get their shit in order and provide things that works Oct 11 08:27:39 crashanddie: companies are wiser to buy apples for the same price Oct 11 08:27:52 timeless_mbp, been using my personal mac for the past few months Oct 11 08:27:58 (and really by the time you're buying a corporate laptop there's very little price difference) Oct 11 08:28:15 timeless_mbp, I've got 2TB of external HD usable as time-machine. I told them it was more secure than anything they'd ever be able to provide me with Oct 11 08:28:21 i have a corporate dell on a shell 3' away from me, and a corporate mbp on my lap :) Oct 11 08:28:29 crashanddie: of Debian and Ubuntu, I'd choose Ubuntu. Otherwise I prefer Fedora or Win7 Oct 11 08:28:46 debian! Oct 11 08:28:47 MS w7x64 is much better than corporate w7 :( Oct 11 08:29:00 well, I've been running Debian for the past 10 years, and ubuntu maybe on 2 computers that are used by less-geeky people Oct 11 08:29:36 my aunt has been using ubuntu for a couple of years with absolutely no problem Oct 11 08:29:44 well, downloading the Debian DVD Oct 11 08:29:45 crashanddie: the problem with Debian is that lot of its packages are outdated, but otherwise it is mostly rock stable Oct 11 08:29:47 linux is not cool anymore :( Oct 11 08:30:00 kerio: why not? Oct 11 08:30:01 Venemo, outdated isn't a big deal Oct 11 08:30:08 Venemo: stable is... stable Oct 11 08:30:09 and old Oct 11 08:30:18 Venemo, I'm working on voip server -- our customers don't run bleeding edge Oct 11 08:30:20 that's why I use Fedora Oct 11 08:30:22 for a desktop, you're kinda supposed to use testing Oct 11 08:30:39 and the only things we use are a handful of features from the glibc 2.0 Oct 11 08:30:58 crashanddie: in this case, Debian should be okay Oct 11 08:31:06 yay debian :D Oct 11 08:31:06 of course it is, Debian is Universal (c) Oct 11 08:32:30 i really hate that statement.. Oct 11 08:32:43 aww Oct 11 08:32:44 why? Oct 11 08:32:52 because people take it to mean debian fits everywhere Oct 11 08:33:04 which doesn't make sense cos a kitchen sink isn't useful in many areas Oct 11 08:34:06 Stskeeps: your phone doesn't have one? ;) Oct 11 08:35:12 lindi-: well, i think we can both agree debian isn't exactly suited to minimal installs and power saving Oct 11 08:35:43 timeless_mbp: anyways, thanks for digging up someone :) Oct 11 08:35:47 Stskeeps: minimal installs are being worked on yes Oct 11 08:36:06 lindi-: and emdebian is a symptom of that as well Oct 11 08:36:15 (though they do really cool stuff) Oct 11 08:36:22 Stskeeps: yep it's a still on-going project Oct 11 08:36:35 Stskeeps: how minimal?= Oct 11 08:36:39 Stskeeps, what exactly is special about MeeGo and Maemo's power saving compared to stock Debian or w/e? Oct 11 08:36:49 lol, maemo's power saving Oct 11 08:37:00 kerio: don't mock it until you've tried debian and ubuntu on your device.. Oct 11 08:37:46 TermanaN900: it's built to be lean and mean - no excessives, everything's there for a reason Oct 11 08:38:03 like pulseaudio! Oct 11 08:38:11 pa's there for a good reason Oct 11 08:38:14 Stskeeps: something simple like hunting for extra wakeups can probably be organized. higher level power saving strategies probably aren't going to happen very soon Oct 11 08:38:21 timeless_mbp, I am not watching here and busy with stuff today Oct 11 08:38:36 lindi-: :nod: Oct 11 08:38:53 Stskeeps: for example my icewm wakes up every second to update the clock that is in HH:MM mode Oct 11 08:38:57 * johnx needs to find just one stupid blank CD-R around here ... Oct 11 08:39:03 lindi-: haha wow Oct 11 08:39:05 lindi-: impressive Oct 11 08:39:06 lindi-: the prime example is really how long time it's taken maemo to shape debian.. Oct 11 08:39:23 i thought icewm was supposed to be light Oct 11 08:39:47 kerio: it is unless you enable the clock :) Oct 11 08:39:57 but I wanted a clock :-) Oct 11 08:40:08 clocks are notoriously computationally heavy Oct 11 08:40:24 Stskeeps, lean and mean means nothing as an explaination :p Is it because of less idle processes or less memory/swap usage or what? Oct 11 08:40:25 kerio: use busybox :) and instal some standalone clock Oct 11 08:40:52 my gtk clock applet for rox-desktop slept for a second, to be fair Oct 11 08:41:05 TermanaN900, means choosing reduced resource usage vs features that geeks want :) Oct 11 08:41:11 TermanaN900: less idle processes, things are there for a purpose - ie, less bloat - put together to make a platform diagram :P Oct 11 08:41:12 TermanaN900: perhaps both Oct 11 08:41:30 Stskeeps: there's no excuse for choosing pulseaudio over dmix Oct 11 08:42:07 kerio, what about "trying to fit in with other distros"? Oct 11 08:42:17 you should never give in to peer pressure! Oct 11 08:42:39 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Say_No Oct 11 08:42:41 kerio, the rest of us are using pulseaudio. here try some Oct 11 08:42:41 kerio: does dmix have latency guarantees? Oct 11 08:43:07 probably not Oct 11 08:43:10 does it matter? Oct 11 08:43:31 for phone conversations, yes Oct 11 08:43:59 Stskeeps, no. but if you want to add latency you can just add an do-nothing loop in your program :) Oct 11 08:44:16 kerio: quite a fair bit Oct 11 08:46:28 does dmix come with a way to put in digital signal processing into the output of any application? Oct 11 08:47:33 johnx, add latency? you want to reduce latency while on the phone :p Oct 11 08:47:46 TermanaN900, aaaah. should have been more specific :) Oct 11 08:49:20 TermanaN900: you want to reduce jitter Oct 11 08:49:40 flux: only alsa appliactions Oct 11 08:53:13 lol Oct 11 08:53:43 I was just asked by my boss to "please not reply under what other people had said before, it's confusing not to see the replies all the way at the top of the email" Oct 11 08:53:57 lol Oct 11 08:54:00 jacekowski, well, it would be good enough for a mostly self-contained environment Oct 11 08:54:01 Oct 11 08:54:03 netiquette :( Oct 11 08:54:34 people who reply on top of other emails should be shot Oct 11 08:54:52 yep Oct 11 08:55:01 how the hell does that make sense anyway Oct 11 08:55:03 kerio: Doing anything else in Outlook is a PITA Oct 11 08:55:03 PA on n900 is very bad solution Oct 11 08:55:08 now, would we? Oct 11 08:55:09 dmix would be a lot better Oct 11 08:55:12 confuse anyone Oct 11 08:55:16 Wouldn't want to Oct 11 08:55:21 "easier to follow" Oct 11 08:55:24 well, people who reply on bottom of other emails after quoting the other email in full (including the signature) should be shot as well :P Oct 11 08:55:26 Considering it's Oct 11 08:55:30 talking backwards then Oct 11 08:55:34 I guess I'll just start Oct 11 08:55:50 crashanddie: answer that to your boss Oct 11 08:55:57 (and goddamn, that was difficult to type) Oct 11 08:56:01 jacekowski: s/Doing anything else in // Oct 11 08:56:13 people who use outlook should also be shot Oct 11 08:56:19 marmoute: ? Oct 11 08:56:27 kerio, outlook works pretty damn well Oct 11 08:56:45 kerio: Ta, I'll bear that in mind when I'm moving to my next job. Oct 11 08:56:48 kerio, if you add the google desktop indexing, it really is brilliant (and a plugin or two to allow for correct quoting) Oct 11 08:56:58 and lets google spy on you Oct 11 08:57:11 crashanddie: the italian version of outlook used R: as the reply marker in the subject for *years* Oct 11 08:57:12 Jaffa: really? Oct 11 08:57:15 it was fun in newsgroups Oct 11 08:57:20 i've been non top posting w/ outlook for years Oct 11 08:57:53 well, the finnish version is Vs:. it's great to have Re: Vs: Re: Vs: -subjects. Oct 11 08:57:56 Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: subject Oct 11 08:58:00 :) Oct 11 08:58:06 flux: damn, you beat me Oct 11 08:58:06 http://mailformat.dan.info/config/outlook.html Oct 11 08:58:16 flux: that's because someone was stupid Oct 11 08:58:26 you aren't supposed to translate technical terms Oct 11 08:58:40 * timeless_mbp curses ms for that one Oct 11 08:59:12 timeless_mbp: were you successful in finding someone? Oct 11 08:59:17 timeless_mbp: I used to use QuoteFix but stopped for reasons which I don't remember. Oct 11 08:59:25 kerio, it still does that when talking with people who have their client in different languages Oct 11 08:59:27 Venemo: i wasn't successful in getting out of the house :) Oct 11 08:59:35 oh, so it's not fixed yet? Oct 11 08:59:36 nice Oct 11 08:59:48 timeless_mbp: :D Oct 11 09:00:12 timeless_mbp: sorry, I thought you were at work :) Oct 11 09:00:42 Venemo: my mac has to disconnect for me to leave for work ;-) Oct 11 09:00:54 kerio, you'd think applying a simple regex is too difficult: s/[a-zA-Z]{2,3}:/Re:/ Oct 11 09:01:15 how is it possible that vmware server has such an awful web interface? Oct 11 09:01:20 crashanddie: except for all the times that fails badly Oct 11 09:01:33 including in the case i presented Oct 11 09:01:37 where Re: is translated to R: Oct 11 09:01:38 crashanddie: Fwd: ? Oct 11 09:01:56 timeless_mbp, just check if it has a Reply-To header then Oct 11 09:02:11 kerio, mod it to {1,3} Oct 11 09:02:15 Jaffa: yeah, i used to use quotefix but also stopped (and later i stopped using outlook) Oct 11 09:02:30 crashanddie: Re: Vs: Re: Fwd: Re: Re: Oct 11 09:02:52 or more typically Re: Re: Fwd: Vs: Vs: Re: Oct 11 09:02:55 timeless_mbp, Fwd: Re doesn't have a Reply-To header Oct 11 09:03:11 crashanddie: the point is that the last action would be a reply Oct 11 09:03:12 or rather, In-Response-To, or whatever the name it Oct 11 09:03:17 btw, why outlook adds HA: ? Oct 11 09:03:19 it's some intermediate action which was a Fwd Oct 11 09:03:30 slonopotamus: what's HA: ? Oct 11 09:03:40 It's a reference to the Simpsons Oct 11 09:03:41 crashanddie, it could be confusing. for example I could see someone having a subject: "Btw: you suck" Oct 11 09:03:42 timeless_mbp: no idea Oct 11 09:03:43 HA:HA: Oct 11 09:03:52 crashanddie, and then you start wondering what is someone responding to Oct 11 09:04:01 flux, indeed Oct 11 09:04:22 then just standardize the bloody format of "Re" Oct 11 09:04:41 the solution is obvious: a new email header enumerating all the reply prefixes the agent uses Oct 11 09:04:58 Well, it's not that ludicrous Oct 11 09:05:17 less ludicrous than not using a known broken program? Oct 11 09:05:27 Subject-Prepended-With: "Aw:" Oct 11 09:05:36 And the client can decide to show it or not Oct 11 09:06:10 kerio, it really has nothing to do with the program, but because of the demands of the customer Oct 11 09:06:11 are we really having this conversation because you desperately want to use outlook? Oct 11 09:06:19 kerio, "BUT I WANT RE IN GERMAN I TELL YOU" Oct 11 09:06:24 I don't use Outlook ^^ Oct 11 09:06:29 okay Oct 11 09:06:44 lcuk, do you have a moment? Oct 11 09:06:53 crashanddie: The format of "Re: " is already standardized. Lots of clients don't care though. Oct 11 09:06:53 timeless_mbp: looks like it's SV: but russian Oct 11 09:07:06 slonopotamus: that's helpful Oct 11 09:07:10 maswan, yeah, but obviously the standard isn't intuitive enough. Oct 11 09:07:14 * timeless_mbp goes to work Oct 11 09:07:16 (maybe) Oct 11 09:07:23 maswan, why would Microsoft not follow it, otherwise? Oct 11 09:07:34 Clearly, if Microsoft's teams aren't following a standard, it means the standard is broken. Oct 11 09:07:34 crashanddie: Cause they're morons, perhaps? Oct 11 09:07:36 because they're dickwads Oct 11 09:07:43 crashanddie: because Microsoft doesn't care about standards that much, perhaps Oct 11 09:08:07 well, do you think they can fix it now? people get confused when their reponses don't get prefixed what they expected. Oct 11 09:08:45 s/./. < Oct 11 09:08:47 crap Oct 11 09:08:52 it's not about standards Oct 11 09:08:59 it's about that people don't understand it Oct 11 09:09:07 it's like topposting Oct 11 09:09:12 kids, don't forget who you're talking to. I obviously had a hidden after "broken." Oct 11 09:09:17 http://www.trilithium.com/johan/2005/06/re-outlook/ Oct 11 09:09:23 i got told off for writing in strange way Oct 11 09:09:33 jacekowski, which is the topic that ignited this topic Oct 11 09:09:37 jacekowski, scroll up Oct 11 09:09:47 [10:51:38] I was just asked by my boss to "please not reply under what other people had said before, it's confusing not to see the replies all the way at the top of the email" Oct 11 09:09:51 crashanddie, just being redundunt in your speech? Replacing grammar with itself Oct 11 09:09:59 well i ignored that Oct 11 09:10:06 and still write as it should be Oct 11 09:10:18 and what's funny that some people reply to me in correct way Oct 11 09:10:38 while still topposting to other people Oct 11 09:11:37 jacekowski, makes sense in a psycological manner Oct 11 09:11:43 Well, I'll just top-post to the cow-orkers Oct 11 09:11:53 And use email properly when using my personal account. Oct 11 09:11:55 psycological / social Oct 11 09:12:24 Though, anyone who cares about topposting should've hailed Google Wave as the future of email... Oct 11 09:12:35 wave is abandoned Oct 11 09:12:46 crashanddie: That's what I do Oct 11 09:13:06 jacekowski, chicken and egg. It was abandonned because of lack of interst. Oct 11 09:13:18 Jaffa, did you see the google employee rant about it being cancelled? Oct 11 09:13:30 crashanddie: Nope? Oct 11 09:15:04 Jaffa, a couple of f-words, http://www.myvidster.com/video/312898/Google_Wave_A_Pissed_Off_Tutorial Oct 11 09:15:48 I really liked wave Oct 11 09:16:44 I kinda wish they either held off launching it until they could support more users, or they managed to scale the amount of users they could handle faster Oct 11 09:17:00 it just seems like it wasn't given a real test Oct 11 09:19:14 I remember getting an account very, very early Oct 11 09:19:17 Didn't have anyone on it Oct 11 09:19:30 maybe... 2 people off my entire GMail history had an account Oct 11 09:19:52 So... I sent a wave, and closed the browser Oct 11 09:20:04 And was never, ever, brought to use it again Oct 11 09:20:16 Not because I didn't like it, I loved it, there just wasn't anyone... Oct 11 09:20:36 I don't use gmail, I've got ovi and a server I run. Oct 11 09:20:48 is ovi good? Oct 11 09:21:01 and a hotmail spam account I've had since I first got on the interbuttz Oct 11 09:21:05 crashanddie: Indeed. The people with whom it might have been most useful were behind the work firewall. Oct 11 09:21:58 Jaffa, and we all know how companies feel about moving their data (or MY GOD, something as important as email) from their local dusty box to a cloud they can't understand. Oct 11 09:22:32 Hmm, either my boss is listening on IRC Oct 11 09:22:40 or he actually has some common sense Oct 11 09:23:14 crashanddie, listening on irc Oct 11 09:23:17 He just sent a follow-up email, saying he didn't really care about where I put my replies, but that the > signs looked horrible on Blackberry and made it hard to follow. Oct 11 09:24:06 Hey Boris, I WANT A RAISE. Oct 11 09:24:35 I'm totally shitting myself if sar3th says "Sure, no problem Seb" Oct 11 09:25:09 nope crashanddie, i'm not ur boss Oct 11 09:25:15 cool, thanks :D Oct 11 09:25:18 amagad http://www.gsmarena.com/windows_phone_7-review-521.php Oct 11 09:25:23 yw, lol Oct 11 09:25:27 sar3th you are such a spoil sport :p Oct 11 09:25:36 TermanaN900, ain't he? Oct 11 09:25:37 :D Oct 11 09:25:51 oh, and btw, anyone riding a bike here? As in, motorbike Oct 11 09:26:18 I promise you, than having your backwheel slide away because the sidewind is so strong is FUCKING SCARY Oct 11 09:26:24 s/than/that Oct 11 09:27:08 I tend to prefer keeping 3/4 or 4/4 wheels in contact with the road :) Oct 11 09:27:51 * Jaffa doesn't mind halving them - as long as it's still 2 :-) Oct 11 09:27:53 yeah, but then again, your name is John, and you're living in a house with a nice little picket fence Oct 11 09:27:54 i sometimes drive on 2 wheels Oct 11 09:27:57 * Jaffa not allowed a motorbike :-( Oct 11 09:28:03 and that was fucking scary Oct 11 09:28:10 done that only once Oct 11 09:28:23 Having done extensive jetskiing recently - I want to move from the centre of the UK to somewhere more sea based. But without getting closer to the in-laws in Folkestone ;-) Oct 11 09:28:47 Jaffa: well, in england it's always max 70miles from sea Oct 11 09:29:07 crashanddie, meh. I plan to live forever. getting myself killed in a motorcycle accident would be dumb Oct 11 09:29:17 jacekowski: I'm, almost literally (i.e. within 10 miles) of the official geographic centre of England. Oct 11 09:29:28 johnx: living to death is worse Oct 11 09:29:34 Jaffa, Cardiff is nice I hear :P Oct 11 09:29:49 wales Oct 11 09:30:02 crashanddie: I could go and see Ianto's shrine. Oct 11 09:30:10 and torchwood HQ Oct 11 09:30:32 crashanddie: Northern Scotland probably could be quite fun. Oct 11 09:30:42 jacekowski, balance in all things :) Oct 11 09:30:51 hehe -- under the Roald Dahl plaza? Oct 11 09:31:28 Jaffa, or Bristol -- even further away from the inlaws Oct 11 09:31:52 ireland Oct 11 09:32:02 crashanddie: Got blown up; who knows where the new one'll be for the next (international) series. Oct 11 09:32:05 Jaffa, I also spent some time in Doncaster, or Rotherham... Now those are shitholes. Oct 11 09:32:21 Jaffa: they can always rebuild it Oct 11 09:32:21 Wouldn't disagree there ;-) Oct 11 09:32:40 I guess Manchester is relatively OK Oct 11 09:32:44 jacekowski: Indeed. But it'll be based at LHR for easier getting to their LA friends. Oct 11 09:32:52 If you can bear the thought of living close to lcuk :D Oct 11 09:32:56 how do you know? Oct 11 09:33:04 jacekowski: Oct 11 09:33:08 ? Oct 11 09:33:24 anyway, coffee, and cancer sticks, 'later Oct 11 09:33:24 http://www.bigshinyrobot.com/reviews/archives/14384 Oct 11 09:33:29 when is it going to air again anyways Oct 11 09:50:33 anyone knows where to order spare parts for my n900 Oct 11 09:50:41 i messed up the screws on the back of the screen Oct 11 09:50:46 m1.4 2.8 Oct 11 09:51:03 Oct 11 09:51:05 thenokiaparts.com doesn't seem to have the screws anymore Oct 11 09:51:13 http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/tuotteet/N900-spare-parts/N900-SCREWS-7000567 Oct 11 09:52:56 one might wonder how and why you messed the screws up in the first place Oct 11 09:53:06 ~seen lcuk Oct 11 09:53:11 lcuk is currently on #gsoc (1d 3h 20m 56s). Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 1h 14m 49s, last said: 'timeless_mbp, I am not watching here and busy with stuff today'. Oct 11 09:53:53 Myrtti: i had to fix the earpiece Oct 11 09:53:58 it came loose by dropping the phone Oct 11 09:54:03 yes i know... i was being rude Oct 11 09:54:07 ElAngelo, those screws are pretty much standard parts, you could buy part kit for some other nokia phone and mix & match Oct 11 09:54:16 hmmm Oct 11 09:54:18 that's an idea Oct 11 09:55:48 or just hardware store, if you have one with really good selection nearby Oct 11 09:56:07 i have none with screws that small :s Oct 11 09:56:47 or harvest them from someone's glasses :D those have small screws Oct 11 09:56:53 lol Oct 11 09:57:37 Heh Oct 11 09:57:53 I saw you could get a T9 set on ebay a while ago. Oct 11 09:59:47 grmbl Oct 11 09:59:53 i knew it were annoying screws Oct 11 09:59:58 and i was fairly carefull Oct 11 10:00:03 but not carefull enough so it seems Oct 11 10:00:53 Heh Oct 11 10:01:39 i might just go to a glasses'shop Oct 11 10:01:42 they might have these Oct 11 10:04:45 does someone here still use gizmo5 sip? Oct 11 10:05:04 how can I restart hildon-home safely? Oct 11 10:17:32 ~curse morons which wrote Maemo5 IM specification Oct 11 10:17:33 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, morons which wrote Maemo5 IM specification ! Oct 11 10:18:07 jlol Oct 11 10:18:09 lol Oct 11 10:18:15 blasphemy! Oct 11 10:18:17 ;) Oct 11 10:18:35 Select SIP operator: username@some.host.name.which.has.nothing.common.with.operator.name / otherusername@yeat.another.sip.operator Oct 11 10:18:36 ~curse morons which left libhildondektop undocumented Oct 11 10:18:38 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, morons which left libhildondektop undocumented ! Oct 11 10:18:50 ~nuke the morons which left libhildondektop undocumented Oct 11 10:18:51 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at the morons which left libhildondektop undocumented ... B☢☢M! Oct 11 10:18:52 Venemo: do not expect documentation from nokia Oct 11 10:19:09 hrw: most of the Hildon stuff have very good doc Oct 11 10:19:38 ~lart morons who love propriatory work Oct 11 10:19:39 * infobot makes a balloon animal out of morons who love propriatory work Oct 11 10:19:54 ~kill the morons which left libhildondektop undocumented Oct 11 10:19:56 * infobot shoots a charged anti-positrino gun at the morons which left libhildondektop undocumented Oct 11 10:20:16 ~slap nokia Oct 11 10:20:18 * infobot slaps nokia, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! Oct 11 10:22:10 ~MohammadAG Oct 11 10:22:33 hm, seems he forgot this one Oct 11 10:27:10 ~hrw Oct 11 10:27:10 it has been said that hrw is Marcin Juszkiewicz - OpenEmbedded/Poky developer Oct 11 10:27:39 infobot: no, hrw is Marcin Juszkiewicz - Linaro, OpenEmbedded, Poky Linux developer Oct 11 10:27:40 okay, hrw Oct 11 10:27:52 ~thx Oct 11 10:27:53 np, or eeeerrruuusssshhhwwwaaaaaAAAAAAAAA!!!!11 Oct 11 10:27:59 ~botsnack Oct 11 10:28:00 thanks, hrw Oct 11 10:28:06 lol Oct 11 10:28:11 ~botsnack Oct 11 10:28:12 :), Venemo Oct 11 10:28:20 ~botsnack Oct 11 10:28:38 do not overfeed the bot or it will puke Oct 11 10:28:43 lol Oct 11 10:28:57 * psycho_oreos looks at the binary mess left on the floor Oct 11 10:29:02 ~hrw Oct 11 10:29:03 methinks hrw is Marcin Juszkiewicz - Linaro, OpenEmbedded, Poky Linux developer Oct 11 10:29:23 ~Venemo Oct 11 10:29:28 s/mess/puke/ Oct 11 10:29:33 how do I set it to infobot? Oct 11 10:29:54 Venemo: say "infobot: Venemo is blablabla" Oct 11 10:30:17 s/mess/puke/g Oct 11 10:30:36 humm... wth Oct 11 10:30:36 ~DocScrutinizer Oct 11 10:30:38 well, docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko Oct 11 10:30:41 s/wth/wtf/ Oct 11 10:30:43 psycho_oreos meant: humm... wtf Oct 11 10:30:54 psycho_oreos: doesn't do actions? Oct 11 10:31:07 Robot101, just realised that :) Oct 11 10:31:45 infobot: Venemo is Timur Kristóf, a .NET/C++/Qt developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo Oct 11 10:31:46 i'm not going to learn illegal characters, Venemo Oct 11 10:32:02 infobot: Venemo is Timur Kristóf, a .NET, C++, Qt developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo Oct 11 10:32:03 i'm not going to learn illegal characters, Venemo Oct 11 10:32:16 which one is illegal? Oct 11 10:32:25 probably . , and ++ Oct 11 10:32:38 infobot: You fail at character encoding Oct 11 10:32:45 infobot: Venemo is Timur Kristóf, a .NET and Qt developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo Oct 11 10:32:45 Venemo: i'm not going to learn illegal characters Oct 11 10:32:52 infobot, johnx's favorite letter is Oct 11 10:32:52 okay, johnx Oct 11 10:32:58 well it's not that ... Oct 11 10:33:13 maybe .NET is illegal :> Oct 11 10:33:15 infobot: Venemo is Timur Kristóf, a dotNET and Qt developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo Oct 11 10:33:16 i'm not going to learn illegal characters, Venemo Oct 11 10:33:29 infobot: Venemo is Timur Kristóf, a developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo Oct 11 10:33:30 Venemo: i'm not going to learn illegal characters Oct 11 10:33:35 infobot: Venemo is Timur Kristof, a developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo Oct 11 10:33:36 Venemo: okay Oct 11 10:33:54 infobot: you should learn ó, seriously Oct 11 10:34:16 infobot, Venemo is Timur Kristóf a dotNET and Cplusplus and Qt developer as well as the author of Sticky Notes for Maemo Oct 11 10:34:16 i'm not going to learn illegal characters, psycho_oreos Oct 11 10:34:16 :) Oct 11 10:34:22 ~johnx's favorite letter Oct 11 10:34:22 rumour has it, johnx's favorite letter is Oct 11 10:34:25 heh Oct 11 10:34:27 bleh Oct 11 10:34:38 infobot: Venemo is Timur Kristóf a dotNET and Cplusplus and Qt developer as well as the author of Sticky Notes for Maemo Oct 11 10:34:38 i'm not going to learn illegal characters, psycho_oreos Oct 11 10:34:49 * johnx sleeps. Oct 11 10:34:57 * Venemo lol'd at this Oct 11 10:34:57 guys: /query infobot Oct 11 10:35:12 johnx: perhaps you could set it for me? Oct 11 10:35:13 ~puke Oct 11 10:35:14 HOOF BLEEEECH! *flush* Oct 11 10:35:28 johnx: since it accepts ó from you Oct 11 10:35:53 infobot, Venemo is Timur Kristf Oct 11 10:35:54 ...but venemo is already something else... Oct 11 10:36:01 infobot, no, Venemo is Timur Kristf Oct 11 10:36:02 johnx: okay Oct 11 10:36:14 whoa :x Oct 11 10:36:33 infobot, Venemo is Timur Kristf, a .NET, C++, Qt developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo Oct 11 10:36:34 ...but venemo is already something else... Oct 11 10:36:38 infobot, no, Venemo is Timur Kristf, a .NET, C++, Qt developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo Oct 11 10:36:38 johnx: okay Oct 11 10:36:44 ~Venemo Oct 11 10:36:45 rumour has it, venemo is Timur Kristf, a .NET, C++, Qt developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo Oct 11 10:36:48 magic Oct 11 10:37:15 hah Oct 11 10:37:28 ~Venemo Oct 11 10:37:29 i heard venemo is Timur Kristf, a .NET, C++, Qt developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo Oct 11 10:37:29 I wonder if one of you guys had gotten a newline or something copy+pasted in there Oct 11 10:37:42 Venemo, hope that looks right. it'll be hard for you to change :) Oct 11 10:37:45 hm, why is he writing the V in lowercase now? Oct 11 10:38:00 because it does it will all names Oct 11 10:38:02 ~MAEMO Oct 11 10:38:03 from memory, maemo is http://maemo.nokia.com/ http://maemo.org/ http://www.forum.nokia.com/Technology_Topics/Device_Platforms/Maemo.xhtml Oct 11 10:38:03 because you're not worth an uppercase letter Oct 11 10:38:21 whole dictionary is lowercase keyed Oct 11 10:38:29 kerio: as always, you have a very good sense of humor :) Oct 11 10:39:00 except for names or the letter I Oct 11 10:39:08 s/letter/word/ Oct 11 10:39:09 psycho_oreos meant: except for names or the word I Oct 11 10:59:57 ~frals Oct 11 10:59:58 rumour has it, frals is a large smelly trout, or the developer of fMMS Oct 11 11:00:00 :< Oct 11 11:04:15 which bit bothers you? Oct 11 11:07:17 not sure! Oct 11 11:17:15 hi guys, question about maemo 5. Oct 11 11:17:45 I can't find package libmaemosec-dev. Was it removed? Oct 11 11:18:00 And where are now the header files, e. g. maemosec_storage.h . Oct 11 11:19:00 dimir: search http://maemo.org/packages/ Oct 11 11:19:09 I did. Oct 11 11:19:12 There is no such package. Oct 11 11:19:17 But it used to be in maemo 5. Oct 11 11:20:11 dimir: http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=maemosec&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same Oct 11 11:20:28 for the keyword maemosec it did find stuff for me Oct 11 11:20:50 Venemo: I need exactly libmaemosec-dev because it contains the development headers. Oct 11 11:21:13 dimir: there's no such thing here Oct 11 11:21:27 Or I need to know what it was renamed to and where can I find the file like maemosec_storage.h now. Oct 11 11:21:34 dimir: if you're sure it was in the repos earlier, poke X-Fade about it Oct 11 11:21:54 nothing gets deleted afaik Oct 11 11:22:03 Venemo: I am somewhat sure because asked someone that has old maemo5 target in sbox and this stuff is there. Oct 11 11:22:23 MohammadAG51: That's what I thought too. Oct 11 11:22:25 old maemo5? Oct 11 11:22:31 ye Oct 11 11:22:50 Stskeeps, when does X-Fade come back? Oct 11 11:22:50 "old" as in "hasn't been upgraded for year or so" :-) Oct 11 11:22:59 MohammadAG51: no idea Oct 11 11:23:18 * MohammadAG51 stabs a trout Oct 11 11:24:27 :-D Oct 11 11:45:48 what's new on maemo? Oct 11 11:46:03 firefox 4? Oct 11 11:46:48 does ff4 support html5 h264 video? Oct 11 11:47:05 Funny, git://gitorious.org/maemo-5-certificate-manager/maemo-security-certman.git contains these packages. Oct 11 11:47:22 And I just build me libmaemosec-dev . Oct 11 11:47:53 dunno Oct 11 11:48:16 ff4 is eating memory Oct 11 11:48:22 FF doesn't support H.264, since H.264 is patented... Oct 11 11:48:48 Venemo: i heard, they relaxed h.264 licensing Oct 11 11:48:59 hm, that's good news Oct 11 11:48:59 in august or such Oct 11 11:49:08 well thay doesnt prevent mplayer from supporting h264 Oct 11 11:49:11 rmrfchik: not enought Oct 11 11:49:17 lcuk, ping Oct 11 11:49:50 On August 26, 2010 MPEG LA announced that H.264 encoded internet video that is free to end users will never be charged for royalties Oct 11 11:49:55 from wikipedia Oct 11 11:50:15 hmm Oct 11 11:50:44 codecs still under royalties Oct 11 11:50:50 yeah... Oct 11 11:51:03 surprise? Oct 11 11:51:03 properitary crap Oct 11 11:51:22 as we can say in russian "h264 is not need" Oct 11 11:51:44 I guess "internet video" can also be challenged Oct 11 11:51:47 long live ogg/vp8 ;) Oct 11 12:11:32 andre__: ping Oct 11 12:11:43 Venemo, pong Oct 11 12:14:36 In Soviet Russia, H264 encodes YOU! Oct 11 12:15:14 In Soviet Russia, bugs open YOU! Oct 11 12:37:09 Venemo, I am v busy at the mo Oct 11 12:37:31 sorry lcuk Oct 11 12:38:09 lcuk, if you have a moment, please tell me :) Oct 11 12:39:37 hey there Oct 11 12:39:58 I'm having some problems getting stacked windows to work using pyqt Oct 11 12:44:27 I'm having problems running a sample dsp ping program. Everything goes OK, untill calling DSPNode_Terminate. The function call fails, but reboots the device (n900). Any hints on how to solve this are appreciated... Oct 11 13:01:34 heh, nokia panorama seems slightly sluggish Oct 11 13:02:25 took a test photo, and it's been processing it for 10 minutes Oct 11 13:02:31 ui is unusable Oct 11 13:02:43 htop Oct 11 13:03:05 hi all Oct 11 13:03:07 killall trackerd Oct 11 13:03:27 trying to ssh in, but no luck there Oct 11 13:03:50 well i'm in no hurry Oct 11 13:04:06 if i flash my n900, which image is appopriate for that? is RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM ok? (described as latest in http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php) Oct 11 13:04:09 then you probably have triggered a forkbomb, eating all process table slots (I had this with dbus-scripting) Oct 11 13:04:29 could be Oct 11 13:04:38 vdv: yes Oct 11 13:04:44 vdv, yes Oct 11 13:04:51 :) ok Oct 11 13:05:11 DocScrutinizer, didn't notice your answer, was reading scrollback lol Oct 11 13:05:16 one more question: isn't root user enabled on "default" n900 firmware? Oct 11 13:05:40 sort of, yes Oct 11 13:05:55 nope, Oct 11 13:05:55 yes == it's enabled? Oct 11 13:06:01 you need pkg rootsh Oct 11 13:06:03 i can't do su Oct 11 13:06:04 it's enabled, but su doesn't work Oct 11 13:06:20 and the command is "rot", not "su" Oct 11 13:06:24 install rootsh, or go R&D and edit the script Oct 11 13:06:24 root Oct 11 13:06:33 DocScrutinizer, i use su :) Oct 11 13:06:41 pff Oct 11 13:06:53 i.e. i don't need new firmware to become root? Oct 11 13:06:59 nope Oct 11 13:07:00 no Oct 11 13:07:09 :) ok, thanks guys Oct 11 13:07:10 "su is rotten"? Oct 11 13:07:11 type sudo gainroot, find it humorless, install rootsh Oct 11 13:07:28 where does the printk print the strings, into /var/log/syslog ? Oct 11 13:07:43 -> /var/log/messages* were earlier on Desktop distributions. Oct 11 13:07:54 rootsh pkg smply adds an entry to sudoers Oct 11 13:08:22 djszapi, configure /etc/syslog.conf Oct 11 13:08:32 to be specific, the entry for 'sudo gainroot' Oct 11 13:08:33 no DocScrutinizer Oct 11 13:08:38 it edits the whole script Oct 11 13:08:45 MohammadAG51: yes, I know Oct 11 13:08:52 not sure why Oct 11 13:08:52 djszapi, there should be a line like kern.* /var/log/messages Oct 11 13:08:53 crashanddie: what is default ? Oct 11 13:08:55 or you need to add it Oct 11 13:09:00 sudo gainroot says that i should enable rd mode Oct 11 13:09:01 which by itself is an abomination Oct 11 13:09:12 vdv, install rootsh Oct 11 13:09:13 vdv: that's BS Oct 11 13:09:25 rootsh pkg Oct 11 13:09:31 * MohammadAG51 loves advice on tmo to use root; apt-get install rootsh Oct 11 13:09:45 LOL Oct 11 13:10:02 * crashanddie is drowning in source code Oct 11 13:10:23 i will do firmware update anyway Oct 11 13:10:45 * MohammadAG51 comments out crashanddie's code, Oct 11 13:10:52 i have now 2.2009.51-1 installed Oct 11 13:11:12 * MohammadAG51 scratches head Oct 11 13:11:15 PR1.1 Oct 11 13:11:21 ouch Oct 11 13:11:29 ok, figured it out... forgot an import -_- Oct 11 13:11:49 it's second release, right? Oct 11 13:12:02 ~flashing Oct 11 13:12:02 flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 11 13:12:23 vdv: follow the link infobot gave us Oct 11 13:13:10 Venemo, ok, thanks Oct 11 13:13:48 xchat needs a UI overhaul Oct 11 13:13:50 vdv: stay away from VANILLA images, if you don't really need them Oct 11 13:14:02 GO MohammadAG51 GOOOO Oct 11 13:14:30 meh Oct 11 13:14:33 had to remove battery Oct 11 13:14:37 lol i wish i knew gtk well Oct 11 13:14:46 * MohammadAG51 wants qwerty12 back, *sobs* Oct 11 13:14:48 gtk is dead Oct 11 13:14:56 gtk is epic Oct 11 13:14:56 MohammadAG51, total lines of code: 320,524, development effort: 85.54, estimated average number of developers: 29, estimated cost: $11 million Oct 11 13:15:06 DocScrutinizer, vanilla images are all listed in http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php ? Oct 11 13:15:17 developed effort = number of years to develop it Oct 11 13:15:18 yes Oct 11 13:15:26 crashanddie, can I comment out 1k lines of code and have $1 million? Oct 11 13:15:32 DocScrutinizer, who makes else custom images? Oct 11 13:15:35 vdv: those are for flashing /home and MyDocs Oct 11 13:15:36 85 years? LOL Oct 11 13:15:47 vdv, no one makes custom images Oct 11 13:16:01 too tiresome with all the... Oct 11 13:16:04 hah, lie! Oct 11 13:16:07 ~optification Oct 11 13:16:08 i heard optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence3 Oct 11 13:16:10 DocScrutinizer, don't they flash kernel also? Oct 11 13:16:15 nope Oct 11 13:16:20 MohammadAG51, yeah... supposed to be 85 person years... (so 1 year for 85 people, or 85 years for one person)... Except this was done in about 6 years by one guy Oct 11 13:16:47 DocScrutinizer, where are kernel images then? Oct 11 13:16:50 I thought it took you guys 85 x 365 days Oct 11 13:16:54 COMBINED Oct 11 13:16:58 vdv, in combined images Oct 11 13:17:14 MohammadAG51, no, this is a COCOMO estimate Oct 11 13:17:14 and where are combined images? :) Oct 11 13:17:20 MohammadAG51, from the source code Oct 11 13:17:35 [2010-10-11 15:01:59] if i flash my n900, which image is appopriate for that? is RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM ok? (described as latest in http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php) Oct 11 13:17:53 combined contains modem images for all hardware revisions (although i've only seen one, 2101), 1st bootloader, 2nd bootloader image, kernel, rootfs and Oct 11 13:18:08 i think that's it? Oct 11 13:18:23 not all of them have all those parts Oct 11 13:18:37 all combined ones do Oct 11 13:18:38 aiui Oct 11 13:19:06 DocScrutinizer, so image i've mentioned is combined, right? Oct 11 13:19:07 and they're all flashed at once if -f is supplied without any --flash-only= arguments Oct 11 13:19:23 vdv, hint's in the name, COMBINED ;) Oct 11 13:19:29 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_***********COMBINED***************_MR0_ARM Oct 11 13:19:50 MR0 is location specific right? Oct 11 13:19:59 which in this case is global Oct 11 13:20:04 DocScrutinizer, yes yes, i just don't understand why are you warned me to use combined, even if you saw my post previously Oct 11 13:20:20 hmm Oct 11 13:20:23 infobot, pr1.3 Oct 11 13:20:24 pr1.3 is probably a ban'able subject now..... Oct 11 13:20:32 I warned you not to bother to flash eMMC with VANILLA image Oct 11 13:20:56 infobot, pr1.3 is also will probably be out in 1/0 days Oct 11 13:20:57 MohammadAG51: okay Oct 11 13:21:00 DocScrutinizer, ok Oct 11 13:21:01 infobot, pr1.3 Oct 11 13:21:02 well, pr1.3 is a ban'able subject now..... will probably be out in 1/0 days Oct 11 13:21:06 and "warned" is maybe a too strong term Oct 11 13:21:13 nice syntax, wrong grammar, but meh Oct 11 13:21:47 WTF? Oct 11 13:22:01 /kickban MohammadAG51 infobot Oct 11 13:22:07 lol why? Oct 11 13:22:13 1/0 = infinity :P Oct 11 13:23:03 i hope meego doesn't follow the retarded update system maemo uses Oct 11 13:23:17 FIXED? release the damn package Oct 11 13:24:06 meego won't - it's FOSS Oct 11 13:24:27 true, i wonder if the same applies for Maemo 6 Oct 11 13:24:35 flasher says "Unable to enumerate USB devices!" Oct 11 13:24:44 vdv, linux? Oct 11 13:24:48 yes Oct 11 13:24:55 so you bet OEMs will still ship major releases and nothing n between, but the patches will be public for more subsystems Oct 11 13:24:59 hmm, running as root? Oct 11 13:25:13 yes :) Oct 11 13:25:23 shouldn't i? Oct 11 13:25:34 you should Oct 11 13:26:23 * MohammadAG51 wants to flash an N900 using another N900 Oct 11 13:26:40 * DocScrutinizer scratches head - since when tries flasher to enumerate? Oct 11 13:28:06 * DocScrutinizer wants to flash N900 natively ;-P Oct 11 13:28:11 is there a good ide for gtk/c++? Oct 11 13:28:34 vi Oct 11 13:28:38 :-P Oct 11 13:28:45 MohammadAG51, emacs Oct 11 13:28:55 DocScrutinizer, emacs :D Oct 11 13:29:02 :-D Oct 11 13:29:15 * dimir fetches popcorn Oct 11 13:29:16 maybe eclipse Oct 11 13:29:28 eclipse is cool Oct 11 13:29:30 NFC Oct 11 13:29:42 DocScrutinizer, get a hub, run two OSs simultaniously, then use hostmode Oct 11 13:29:42 use port as a host, the other a client Oct 11 13:29:44 unanswered post with my problem: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49256 Oct 11 13:30:35 \o/ finally!!! a post about flashing problems Oct 11 13:30:42 was about time Oct 11 13:31:00 WTF is talk.maemo.org? Oct 11 13:31:13 DocScrutinizer, Oct 11 13:31:13 is there a way to write rootfs.jffs2 to an mtd block w/o flasher? Oct 11 13:31:16 if you can, i can probably cook a way to flash the N900 natively Oct 11 13:31:22 found a line in my /etc/hosts: talk.maemo.org 127.0.0.1 Oct 11 13:32:13 google jffs2, though I guess you'll need ubifs tools Oct 11 13:32:27 nah, seriously Oct 11 13:32:52 seriously I thought we got ubifs Oct 11 13:33:25 we have ubifs but the image is for god knows what reason called rootfs.jffs2 when unpacking a fiasco image Oct 11 13:33:30 ubi0:rootfs on / type ubifs (rw,bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc) Oct 11 13:33:43 probably historical.. like that kp_enter thing :) Oct 11 13:33:55 good old kp_ener.. Oct 11 13:33:57 +t Oct 11 13:34:25 screwit, fix it, it's described on http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Oct 11 13:35:01 why isn't that on a proper wikipage? Oct 11 13:35:06 no, forget it, nevermind Oct 11 13:35:11 though I gather it's a bandaid it wfm Oct 11 13:36:51 Myrtti, Jebba does it with his stuff, too. Oct 11 13:36:57 Seems to be a weird trend. Oct 11 13:37:14 hmm Oct 11 13:37:18 maybe flashcp Oct 11 13:38:01 wiki.m.o/some_crappy_uncommented_cmdline_stuff_for_jorg_rws_private_usage_use_on _own_peril Oct 11 13:38:36 mompls, lemme copy the page Oct 11 13:38:37 Writes to the specified MTD device. Oct 11 13:38:38 :-P Oct 11 13:38:40 nandwrite, got it Oct 11 13:39:42 I can move this stuff to another server, preferrably one with authentication needed. Better? Oct 11 13:40:49 MohammadAG51: you need to build an image prior to nandwrite, with ubifs tools, loopmount, etc pp Oct 11 13:43:09 * jaska scratches head why osso-xterm doesnt use the space reserved for vscrollbar even with vscrollbar-policy never Oct 11 13:44:11 jaska: your comment makes me scratch my head as well :-) Oct 11 13:44:47 doc, i patched my osso-xterm to specify vscrollbar-policy GTK_POLICY_NEVER so it doesnt show the fingerscrollbar that doesnt do anything other than consume space :) Oct 11 13:45:07 it doesnt show it.. but neither will it use the space for the missing 80th character column like it did on n810 Oct 11 13:45:35 making sense is optional. Oct 11 13:45:45 jaska, how? i thought osso-xterm was closed source Oct 11 13:45:55 nah Oct 11 13:46:00 apt-get source osso-xterm?:) Oct 11 13:46:11 jaska: I see, those missing 10 pixel Oct 11 13:46:47 i thought i had fixed it months ago.. now just patching the kp_enter in my version of vte i thought to look at it again Oct 11 13:47:33 jaska for president Oct 11 13:47:52 id prefer god-emperor Oct 11 13:48:01 libvte and osso-xterm are oss, yeah Oct 11 13:48:24 want to be like obama, huh? Oct 11 13:48:25 i remember using qwerty12s patches back on diablo Oct 11 13:49:16 I can't emember which patch I am using, I got http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools for this to document things Oct 11 13:49:56 https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=2705 Oct 11 13:50:14 dont think that has the dark grey fix? Oct 11 13:50:36 nope, prolly not Oct 11 13:50:43 just NK-enter Oct 11 13:52:52 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7164 has the darkgrey thing Oct 11 13:52:53 Bug 7164: osso-xterm dark grey color shown as black Oct 11 14:04:05 MS UI presentation is kinda silly :) Oct 11 14:05:14 oh is that today? Oct 11 14:05:22 "I can press the "camera" button and take a photo!" Oct 11 14:05:31 http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/presskits/windowsphone/liveEvent.aspx Oct 11 14:06:09 silverlight :| Oct 11 14:06:18 says "Microsoft Silverlight Required" Oct 11 14:06:36 well, I guess that's not a shocker :D Oct 11 14:06:49 nice, in my virtual windows i got a link to play it in windows media player instead Oct 11 14:07:21 windows media play does not make this much easier :) Oct 11 14:08:49 hm, seems i dont have audio in my vm.. :P Oct 11 14:09:59 the fanciest thing yet - rotating toolbar icons, that's cool Oct 11 14:10:58 OMG!!1!!1 it takes PHOTOS when you press the camera button - *INCREDIBLE* Oct 11 14:11:08 yeah, that was lame :D Oct 11 14:12:09 * DocScrutinizer yawns like a dog Oct 11 14:14:00 Hi... My first time here... I am trying to package communi (irc qt client) for maemo and got an error with autobuilder that I havent seen before... I would appreciate some help Oct 11 14:15:11 I created a package for the lib (libircclient-qt) ...all works fine on my scratchbox but the autobuilder didn't like it: Oct 11 14:15:18 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/communi_2.0.0-1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt Oct 11 14:15:32 * MohammadAG51 clicks Oct 11 14:15:50 crochik, sounds familiar :-) Oct 11 14:16:02 the error or me? Oct 11 14:16:07 you :-D Oct 11 14:16:41 he made the WoL app Oct 11 14:16:53 yep, plus another few Oct 11 14:17:01 fcrochik, hmm, can you specify dependencies manually? Oct 11 14:17:52 yeah Oct 11 14:17:53 Mohammand, I thought that was what I did... I have to say this is not by far my strongest skill Oct 11 14:18:39 fcrochik, then comment out dh_shlibdeps in debian/rules and it should build fine Oct 11 14:19:00 I will try... thanks! Oct 11 14:19:03 you might want to take out the variables in debian/control, line Depends: Oct 11 14:19:30 fcrochik, what does the irc client look like? :) Oct 11 14:20:06 hmm, tray icon, textbrowser(=kinetic scrolling), yay? Oct 11 14:20:47 I am using it right now.... I like it... Oct 11 14:21:13 http://bitbucket.org/communi/communi/wiki/Home Oct 11 14:23:37 Like I said this is my first time using irc (yes...believe or not)... but I already would like to make some changes... like combine all the different channels on one list (replacing the date with the channel name)... and so on... as fas as communi goes I would like to get rid of the tabs on the left and not show some other like "ChanelServ" Oct 11 14:25:45 fcrochik, can you link me to the cauldron list, lost my bookmark on the N900 lol Oct 11 14:26:22 fcrochik: that is dependent on your IRC client, some can do that Oct 11 14:26:42 * DocScrutinizer51 grabs his usability director's hat, ponders a while, throws hat back to its place and utters 'meh' Oct 11 14:28:02 i'm typing a word, but can't make it's first letter be small, can't i do it with physical keyboard? Oct 11 14:28:51 you can Oct 11 14:29:10 try pressing shift Oct 11 14:29:10 vdv: you can disabe the auto-caps options too Oct 11 14:29:24 better yet Oct 11 14:29:35 Mohammand, this sounds like a alien language to me ...granted that english is not my first language ... sorry... what is cauldron list? Oct 11 14:30:04 and sorry for misspelling your nick... :( Oct 11 14:30:24 marmoute, pressing shift doesn't work Oct 11 14:30:51 i'm disappointed! :P https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/ Oct 11 14:31:03 it's the mailing list all build results go into Oct 11 14:31:55 wow @ links-hacked Oct 11 14:33:07 vdv: in the settings Oct 11 14:33:27 * MohammadAG51 shouts @ the uploader, a makefile isn't going to fix itself! Oct 11 14:33:48 wtf http://maemo.org/packages/view/pvrcreator/ Oct 11 14:35:07 MohammadAG51: you mean Mr. unknown ? Oct 11 14:35:27 * lindi- remembers why he linkes the debian policy... Oct 11 14:35:30 i uploaded it :/ Oct 11 14:35:44 why is Maintainer field with illegal email address? Oct 11 14:40:14 Moo, Mohammad. How are things? Oct 11 14:42:19 there'd be another few functions I'd have already implemented to xchat if only python plugin would work: chan tab aliases; metachannels that pick up all highlights and on click link back to the original location in other chan's scrollback; separate subwindow of adjustible size (like 3 lines on bottom) to catch all the join/quit and other configurable msgs... Oct 11 14:45:21 of course kinetic scroll, that doesn't interfere with highlighting text when you initially drag horizontally instead of vertical Oct 11 14:45:23 Mohammad, it failed again... I commented out the dh_shlibdeps line on debian/rules but got the same error... Oct 11 14:45:38 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/communi_2.0.0-1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt Oct 11 14:46:01 ooops... my bad!! looking on the old version log! :( Oct 11 14:48:12 lindi-, noob Oct 11 14:48:20 RST38h, fine I guess :) Oct 11 14:48:49 then (in xchat) od course fix a few minor things, like decoration of input textfield is much to space consuming, chantabs context menu broken when chantabs are treeview Oct 11 14:49:05 MohammadAG51: use lintian Oct 11 14:49:24 lindian ? Oct 11 14:49:50 DocScrutinizer: Debian package checker Oct 11 14:50:28 ieatlintian :-P Oct 11 14:51:15 DocScrutinizer: and then there's http://piuparts.debian.org/ Oct 11 14:52:02 lindi-: just kidding :-) Oct 11 14:52:36 wooo i have Android on my N900 :) Oct 11 14:52:40 works well after a few reboots Oct 11 14:52:56 except for the above lengthy comment about xchat, which was addressed to MohammadAG51 and RST38h I guess Oct 11 14:53:12 For some reason it did not like my description (maybe too long lines) but it built. In other words: communi is available on extras-devel if anyone wants to try it Oct 11 14:53:27 andridiot, pffft Oct 11 14:53:36 [QUOTE=DavidWilliams312;838339]On the contrary, I wish it did have basic functionality that a business grade phone should have like sync with Outlook, MSOffice application converter/reader...other phones have![/QUOTE] Oct 11 14:53:39 doh Oct 11 14:53:57 * wmarone ponders why cut didn't take text out of the chat window Oct 11 14:54:38 eh?? Oct 11 14:55:16 * DocScrutinizer wonders why wmarone didn't expect cut to take out a part of the LCD Oct 11 14:55:27 * wmarone takes a knife to his screen Oct 11 14:56:24 * MohammadAG51 needs a PH0 Oct 11 14:56:47 this is sweet Oct 11 14:56:48 screen's getting lose, that's what happens when you forget it on your bed cover and smack it Oct 11 14:57:14 still new though Oct 11 14:57:36 I wonder what my pulseaudio is doing.. I'm not playing anything, I've disconnected the bt headset but it still takes 20% cpu Oct 11 14:58:37 wmarone, i used a knife on my screen protector Oct 11 14:58:38 just for the fun of it Oct 11 14:59:18 kill it with fiar Oct 11 15:04:13 flux: PA is crap Oct 11 15:06:27 no, PA is great Oct 11 15:06:41 our feeble minds are just not capable to grasp all of its glory Oct 11 15:06:43 flux: issues like the one you described are very common, and basically there are 3 things that can be done: 1) reboot, 2) killall pulsaudio 3) get rid of PA all together and make maemo use a sane more bugfree audio subsystem Oct 11 15:07:13 docscrutinizer, in increasing order of task size?-) Oct 11 15:07:19 yep Oct 11 15:07:40 or in increasing order of correct way to tackle the BS Oct 11 15:08:25 what's a sane more bugfree audio subsystem? Oct 11 15:08:37 nota bene I didn't bother to mention 0) fix PA Oct 11 15:09:03 MohammadAG51: e.g. ALSA? Oct 11 15:10:21 heh nitdroid does that Oct 11 15:10:40 i really don't get why nokia hardcoded most shit on the N900 Oct 11 15:10:53 use available mic, not only the one specified in pulseaduio Oct 11 15:11:12 err? Oct 11 15:11:13 because maemo5 wouldn't ever be used outside of n900 anyway? Oct 11 15:11:43 DocScrutinizer, all of those things sound amazing. Oct 11 15:12:15 GAN900: which things? Oct 11 15:13:33 GAN900: reboot? or ALSA? Oct 11 15:15:39 DocScrutinizer, XChat. Oct 11 15:15:47 aah Oct 11 15:24:53 beeee Oct 11 15:24:59 how can i disable usb connection without removing cable? Oct 11 15:25:14 What do you mean by disable USB connection Oct 11 15:25:34 vdv use a knife, cut cable in half Oct 11 15:25:48 :) Oct 11 15:26:23 when i plugin cable it asks to choose connection type, synchro, usb mass or just acc Oct 11 15:27:07 now, when i connect as usb mass device then want to disconnect, but without getting cable off Oct 11 15:27:34 for example with usb mass storage mode file manager shows nothing Oct 11 15:28:12 hi guys, is there any list of all maemo dbus events? Oct 11 15:28:30 and which folder in filesystem corresponds to one which is opened on pc when in usb mass storage mode? Oct 11 15:28:52 /home/user/MyDocs Oct 11 15:29:20 VDV: unplug the other end of the cable Oct 11 15:29:27 jrocha: ping? :) Oct 11 15:29:42 wazd, pong Oct 11 15:30:09 jrocha: o/ :) Thanks again for SeriesFinale, awesome application :) Oct 11 15:30:17 wazd, hey, no problem Oct 11 15:30:22 jrocha: have you received my e-mail? :) Oct 11 15:30:28 Divan, thanks, one more question, is there any way to do TAB-completion in shell? Oct 11 15:30:47 yes but I was waiting until the end of the day to reply it Oct 11 15:31:31 Divan, ah, sorry, there's a button on screen Oct 11 15:31:32 There was a hak somewhere rthat put a tab button on the bar Oct 11 15:31:36 oh Oct 11 15:31:40 sorry - it's there already Oct 11 15:31:53 wazd, ^ Oct 11 15:32:22 jrocha: ah, ok :) Oct 11 15:33:03 vdv. Ctrl-I as well Oct 11 15:33:26 Any howtos to compile your own kernel for the N900? Oct 11 15:33:29 Well, I've got my proper work contracts out of the way :) Oct 11 15:33:39 So I can start working on my projects again :D Oct 11 15:33:47 (I'd like to add the compcache patch so that unused swap gets immediatly freed), ... Oct 11 15:34:19 the right image to try meego on n900 is the handset one? not core? Oct 11 15:34:19 yacc: maemo wiki has few pages about it Oct 11 15:34:44 hrw, well, I've been hoping that somebody has already added compcache, ... Oct 11 15:34:46 :-P Oct 11 15:35:09 vis: yes, handset's the right one Oct 11 15:35:19 thanks Oct 11 15:35:32 vis: we hang out in #meego-arm if you have additional questions Oct 11 15:35:51 wazd, you can send me your suggestions about the design Oct 11 15:35:58 wazd, I appreciate them Oct 11 15:36:02 Stskeeps: btw - how good is n900 supported with 2.6.35-meego kernel? Oct 11 15:36:11 jrocha: cool, will do :) Oct 11 15:36:14 wazd, but I can't promise you I'll follow them Oct 11 15:36:20 (and it's not only about performance in numbers, it's also about usability, with the eMMC swap, my N900 becomes mostly unusable when 256MB are in use or so. With compcache on my desktop the same things happens [with different numbers] with hdd swap. With compcache swap the swap gets used up in seconds, and after that the OOM killer starts it work.) Oct 11 15:36:30 jrocha: ah, it's all up to you ofcourse :) Oct 11 15:36:32 hrw: we don't have DVFS yet, but i guess it's better to ask what we don't have Oct 11 15:36:41 hello all btw :) Oct 11 15:36:41 hrw: or rather, if we have something Oct 11 15:36:55 hrw: excepting SGX everything should be upstream Oct 11 15:37:27 Stskeeps: does TI sgx works or does meego require special versions? Oct 11 15:37:37 With the existing 256MB RAM and 768MB eMMC, the devices trashes into unusability long before the swap fills up, ... Oct 11 15:37:39 Not good. Oct 11 15:37:49 hrw: well, sgx libs usually match into a certain kernel driver Oct 11 15:38:06 yacc: put class6 microsd card inside and place swap there? Oct 11 15:38:10 hrw: so the ones we have in kernel match the ones we have in non-oss Oct 11 15:38:20 Stskeeps: sure. Oct 11 15:38:34 I prefer a dead browser to a phone that is unusable (and can probably not take calls, but for sure cannot read/answer SMS) for 30-120 minutes till the swap fill up and processes start to die. Oct 11 15:38:57 Stskeeps: linaro guys have sgx and ogles working on omap3 with ubuntu 10.10 with 2.6.35 so should work also on n900 Oct 11 15:39:19 hrw: yeah, should Oct 11 15:39:23 hrw, actually I seem to have benchmarked 12MB/s reads on the internal eMMC if I remember right (the N900 is still a new toy for me, I'm in week 2 of my N900 adventure), so a class 6 SDHC won't help. Oct 11 15:39:23 yacc: talk.maemo.org + search "swapolube" Oct 11 15:40:35 I've noticed abill_uk seems to have dissappeared :) Oct 11 15:40:36 Stskeeps: anyway as I have just one n900 I prefer to use maemo on it. have nitroid installed on uSD but n900 lacks android keys Oct 11 15:40:49 Maybe he finally blew up all of his N900's when trying to hack OTG Oct 11 15:40:51 Do I need only swappolube or also the nogui package? Oct 11 15:41:13 first Oct 11 15:41:24 alterego: i just hope he ended up choking on his n900 after the tmo deathsquad found him Oct 11 15:42:27 Heh Oct 11 15:44:12 What is "tmo"? (seen that reference a lot around here) Oct 11 15:44:22 talk.maemo.org Oct 11 15:44:25 ah Oct 11 15:45:22 Or tmobile Oct 11 15:45:27 which can confuse Oct 11 15:47:54 yacc, writes are what kill you. :) Oct 11 15:53:25 hmm, even if i remove the HildonPannableArea from osso-xterm it still misses pixels horizontally :( Oct 11 15:54:54 alterego: don't summon him by speaking his name :-P Oct 11 15:56:00 t-mobile usually is T-Mo Oct 11 15:56:06 not tmo Oct 11 15:57:13 Hahah Oct 11 15:57:23 Too late ... Oct 11 15:57:41 My contract upgrade is burning a hole in my pocket Oct 11 15:58:05 I've tried to order an N8 a few times but luckily as I Was using the wrong card the website wouldn't let me upgrade. Now I'm thinking of waiting anyway. Oct 11 15:58:18 alterego: probably he'd otherwise jump on MohammadAG51's thread " [Testers needed] USB Hostmode prealpha for the N900" and explain this can not work without his hw tweaks Oct 11 15:58:19 Though an N8 would be neat for using whilst I hack with MeeGo on the N900 Oct 11 15:58:27 Heh Oct 11 15:58:50 Yeah, the amount of times I told him we didn't need any hardware mods for hostmode ... Oct 11 15:58:54 He made me so angry. Oct 11 15:59:06 Who? Oct 11 15:59:13 abill_uk Oct 11 15:59:19 in-A-Bill Oct 11 15:59:21 Annoying user on t.m.o Oct 11 15:59:27 unabill_uk .. Oct 11 15:59:48 He had some of the worst command of the English language on t.m.o and, he's supposed to be English .. Oct 11 15:59:52 I feel somewhat ashamed. Oct 11 15:59:55 DocScrutinizer, please respect other "engineers" xP Oct 11 15:59:59 :D Oct 11 16:00:08 LOL Oct 11 16:00:12 muhahaha Oct 11 16:00:13 Hah Oct 11 16:00:50 you can talk about the government now, channel isn't logged anymore lol Oct 11 16:01:03 eh? Oct 11 16:01:10 * povbot` has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Oct 11 16:01:17 wtf? Oct 11 16:01:21 "It's dead, Jim" Oct 11 16:01:28 infobot also logs, btw Oct 11 16:01:33 ~logs Oct 11 16:01:33 i always wanted to say that Oct 11 16:01:33 All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. logs are updated daily Oct 11 16:01:52 cool Oct 11 16:01:53 * MohammadAG51 hacks infobot Oct 11 16:02:04 ~stab infobot Oct 11 16:02:04 * infobot runs at infobot with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. Oct 11 16:02:12 see? it's dillusional Oct 11 16:02:17 I hate it when facebook's js stuff stops working .. Oct 11 16:02:25 Not even an error, just a load of broken f*cking links. Oct 11 16:02:29 alterego, facebook rapes cpus with its js Oct 11 16:02:40 and its js sucks Oct 11 16:02:40 I can't remember last time I logged in facebook. Oct 11 16:02:55 D-Iivil: I can't remember the last time I logged out ;) Oct 11 16:03:04 sadly, i can't leave facebook Oct 11 16:03:05 I'm quite sure I dunno what facebook is at all Oct 11 16:03:14 and I like to keep it this way Oct 11 16:03:16 I don't understand facebook addicts... Oct 11 16:03:17 my school doesn't have any other ways of getting photos from me Oct 11 16:03:31 otherwise i'd deactivate, permanently Oct 11 16:03:39 D-Iivil, me neither, it's a waste of time Oct 11 16:03:57 i know people who spend more than half their day on facebook Oct 11 16:04:16 MohammadAG51: it was cool when it "came" for little while. But the hype went away pretty fast for me. Oct 11 16:04:18 first half = sleep, second half = facebook, third half = real useful work Oct 11 16:04:32 and we all know third halves don't exist Oct 11 16:04:47 but they never Oct 11 16:04:50 Hah Oct 11 16:04:51 yepyep Oct 11 16:04:53 D-Iivil, i never liked it Oct 11 16:04:55 I use it as a tool. Oct 11 16:05:01 shit, gotta go. Oct 11 16:05:06 I don't play games, I barely ever update my "status". Oct 11 16:05:13 I just use it to share photos Oct 11 16:05:19 And "networking" .. Oct 11 16:05:21 i use it as a place to store photos for the school, and send messages/chat Oct 11 16:05:32 MohammadAG51: yeah, exactly. Oct 11 16:05:44 I've deleted pretty much every game from being displayed on my wall. Oct 11 16:06:00 Besides, facebook is kind of cool for informal stalking of girls. Oct 11 16:06:03 status, hmm, how do you update that again? :P Oct 11 16:06:03 last time i updated it would be long long before March Oct 11 16:06:06 I mean, making friends with women. Oct 11 16:06:23 yeah, I get what you mean Oct 11 16:06:28 I mean, finding out where that girl you met in the bar lives. Oct 11 16:06:31 Oh wait, I mean. Oct 11 16:06:35 Oh, I should give up :D Oct 11 16:06:56 some of my classmates go through others' friends lists and add peeps they don't know Oct 11 16:07:36 tbh, I think I can count the amount of people I've actually requested to be facebook friends on one hand. I've got, lets see, 152 "friends" but I actually know every single one of them personally. Oct 11 16:07:57 And 99.9% added me ;) Oct 11 16:08:12 alterego, some girl here has 4900+ friends Oct 11 16:08:29 Urgh, I know a couple that have that. Oct 11 16:08:46 i wonder how fast her news feed scrolls Oct 11 16:09:04 or if the js code just collapses :p Oct 11 16:09:15 Two of them are university wannabe politicions. And the other is a vein, anorexic wannabe fashion photographer/model. Oct 11 16:09:18 Go figure ;) Oct 11 16:09:26 * SpeedEvil uses twitter slightly. Oct 11 16:09:34 Heh, indeed. Oct 11 16:09:34 lol Oct 11 16:09:39 But just for monitoring the status of people I actually need to interact with. Oct 11 16:09:55 'x will be available in y minutes' is actually quite handy Oct 11 16:09:58 * MohammadAG51 lost interest in twitter after losing interest in symbian Oct 11 16:10:06 Hah Oct 11 16:10:12 I was never really interested in Twitter, Oct 11 16:10:21 I think one social network is good enough tbh. Oct 11 16:10:37 Gravity was just awesome on symbian Oct 11 16:10:37 the UI of gravity got me into twitter Oct 11 16:10:38 Though I guess twitter is 100% public isn't it? But a bit more annonymous Oct 11 16:10:54 twitter's for internet friends imo Oct 11 16:10:56 No, its not 100% public - you can do private Oct 11 16:10:59 facebook for irl Oct 11 16:11:09 though rl beats online rl Oct 11 16:11:26 And my twitter account cannot be traced back to any other online activities. Oct 11 16:11:44 * MohammadAG51 didn't you had a twitter account Oct 11 16:11:59 I've been going out with this girl for a year and a half now, and everytime we have an argument she changes her relationship status on facebook. Oct 11 16:12:08 :) Oct 11 16:12:10 It's quite annoying, but, meh :) Oct 11 16:12:15 LOL Oct 11 16:12:25 To get my own back though, I did it to her last week. Oct 11 16:12:27 It would be _really_useful_ if she'd actually include the real reason. Oct 11 16:12:33 * MohammadAG51 has it as single, will always be that way on facebook Oct 11 16:12:34 alterego: facebook has this irritating feature that it shows the updated status before the other person accepts.. Oct 11 16:12:40 regardless of rl Oct 11 16:12:42 You wouldn't believe the hipocritical bs I got for that maneuver ^.^ Oct 11 16:13:03 Stskeeps: hah :) Oct 11 16:13:10 alterego: me and my wife's engagement leaked a little too early cos of that :) Oct 11 16:13:21 Stskeeps: I'm not sure I want other girls on fbook knowing the size of my member tbh Oct 11 16:13:37 Stskeeps: you proposed to your wife on facebook? :P Oct 11 16:13:44 alterego: no, i'm not that silly Oct 11 16:13:53 Did you attempt to change your relationship status before you gave her the ring ;) Oct 11 16:13:55 no Oct 11 16:13:57 and what ring Oct 11 16:13:58 :P Oct 11 16:14:16 Heh, I wonder if some sad muppet has actually use a facebook status request as an engagement method Oct 11 16:14:17 she said yes anyway, so i knew she was of the right caliber :) Oct 11 16:14:54 I don't even know why I'm asking that question, it's obvious there are a million people out there that would do that. Oct 11 16:15:06 Hell, I probably personally know some of 'em. Oct 11 16:15:27 I noticed in Dexter this week, he has an N8! Oct 11 16:15:51 come on, text based communication is the more awesome way to tell people major news these days Oct 11 16:16:00 You know when you have the right calibre of girl when she fits in your circus cannon just right. Oct 11 16:16:22 i think you have things backwards there... Oct 11 16:16:27 Hahah Oct 11 16:16:31 woof Oct 11 16:16:47 Stskeeps, i'm assuming you're stskeeps there? Oct 11 16:17:06 on twitter? Oct 11 16:17:11 i never say anything interesting Oct 11 16:17:15 no, fb Oct 11 16:17:20 no Oct 11 16:17:48 there was some facebook.com/stskeeps guy, i see it's deactivated now Oct 11 16:18:00 MohammadAG51: there's this malay guy who impersonated me.. Oct 11 16:18:05 no iea why Oct 11 16:18:10 lol Oct 11 16:18:36 Heh Oct 11 16:18:37 * MohammadAG51 invites DocScrutinizer to facebook Oct 11 16:18:45 you know you want to :P Oct 11 16:18:54 * DocScrutinizer larts MohammadAG51 Oct 11 16:19:22 * MohammadAG51 makes an account for DocScrutinizer using his openmoko address Oct 11 16:19:33 facebook doesn't require email activation btw :P Oct 11 16:24:39 Hello, Stskeeps, you malay pole... =) Oct 11 16:24:47 LOL Oct 11 16:25:47 Meanwhile: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/11/windows_phone7_launch/ Oct 11 16:25:47 alterego, well: http://www.willyoumarrymekc.com/geeky-proposals/ Oct 11 16:25:58 slashdot case is very popular :D Oct 11 16:27:49 RST38h, no copy paste cracks me up. Oct 11 16:28:08 The Apple media will surely stomp all over them for that. Oct 11 16:31:54 w7phone doesnt look that bad Oct 11 16:34:04 frals, you're right, it looks like shit :P Oct 11 16:34:22 frals: but looks are only 99.9% of a smartphones usefulness. Oct 11 16:34:36 WP7: making MeeGo look good since 2010. Oct 11 16:34:38 GAN: oh well, not like I expected anything different from MS Oct 11 16:34:38 the video i saw looked good, cept they couldve cut the transition animation time by 90% Oct 11 16:34:50 wrong, looks are everything, according to iFans :p Oct 11 16:34:56 email client looked nice imo :p Oct 11 16:34:59 LOL Jaffa Oct 11 16:35:11 Jaffa, :D Oct 11 16:35:31 Jaffa, yeah, $10 it'll be just as boring as iOS after a week, though? Oct 11 16:37:07 Mohammad: Actually, making gadgets feel like precious pieces of artisanship is not such a bad idea Oct 11 16:37:19 ^ Oct 11 16:37:23 Mohammad: Chronometerwatches sell for thounsands Oct 11 16:37:32 People like things that are well engineered an pretty. Oct 11 16:37:54 GAN: Well, most Nokias are well engineered, but pretty they are not... Oct 11 16:38:14 most engineering is on the inside, sadly Oct 11 16:49:32 have anyone installed gcc on n900? Oct 11 16:50:05 vdv, speedevil has Oct 11 16:51:12 SpeedEvil, i can't find packages in repositories, how did you install gcc? Oct 11 16:54:00 Hi Oct 11 16:54:34 Still can't get my head around the Qt Designer / qml Oct 11 16:55:33 QML is fine, I can do it just editing it in an editor Oct 11 16:55:54 But the designer, I dunno, I'm just aweful with wysiwyg editors Oct 11 17:03:08 RST38h, and I agree, but functionality shouldn't be sacrificied for looks Oct 11 17:03:37 Mohammad: Actually, it is inevitable, unless you are an absolute genius Oct 11 17:04:12 Mohammad: Apple achieves what it achieves by making a list of usage cases for the device and then polishing every usagecase to perfection Oct 11 17:04:30 Mohammad: Of course, this means that their functionality will be limited to these use cases Oct 11 17:05:17 vdv, isn't gcc in http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk free Oct 11 17:05:21 If you make the device more functional, new use cases spring up, and the device will not be optimized for them, hence seeming "unpolished" feel Oct 11 17:05:45 So, in short, there is no way to make your Maemo/Meego device as polished as iPhone :) Oct 11 17:05:58 RST38h, regardless, the iPhone's GFX card is the same as the N900, but the N900 lags more Oct 11 17:06:18 Mohammad: Because nobody optimized 3D on N900 Oct 11 17:06:26 Nokia could've added vsync easily, BEFORE they actually started development Oct 11 17:06:38 now it's just too late, at least for Maemo 5 Oct 11 17:07:03 Mohammad: My guess is that it will be "late" for every Nokia device Oct 11 17:07:36 Mohammad: All Maemo devices (770, 800, 810, 900) are known to have these unfortunate little problems Oct 11 17:07:55 and I really love maemo 5's UI,the concept at least Oct 11 17:08:49 RST38h, vsync works on the N900, and it works well, cept for some X crashes, they were too lazy to do it Oct 11 17:09:11 Mohammad: The more stuff gets open sourced, the better Oct 11 17:09:19 Not that it automatically means someone will fix it Oct 11 17:10:12 RST38h, true, but some stuff can't be open sourced Oct 11 17:11:47 so many developers and nobody knows what Reverse Engineering was. Oct 11 17:12:31 MohammadAG51: Problems with X and vsync on Maemo sounds similar to the problems Stskeeps has described with the vsync gfx drivers for N900 MeeGo Oct 11 17:14:42 johnsq: so, i assume you have done some reverse engineering on maemo? Oct 11 17:14:56 Anybody think Nokia will ever ship a device with non-tearing graphics? Oct 11 17:15:02 RST38h: no, but 20 years ago. Oct 11 17:15:26 johnsq: then do not complain about the lack of smart developers. Oct 11 17:15:45 GAN: Any S60 phone with double buffering? =) Oct 11 17:15:51 RST38h: than don't complain about not open source. Oct 11 17:15:56 Like, you know, N95? :) Oct 11 17:16:55 at least S60 apps on symbian are double buffered by default, even though it's because of some limitation of qt/symbian Oct 11 17:17:05 oops meant qt apps on S60 Oct 11 17:24:19 RST38h, Symbian doesn't count. Oct 11 17:24:27 But my 5800 was tear city. Oct 11 17:24:52 VDV: I would recommend copying / to /home/user/chroot - and then installing gcc in a chroot there Oct 11 17:25:12 Simply as dev packages together are huge and not optified Oct 11 17:33:25 vdv, I don't know how he did, but I think that in principle the gcc in the scratchbox-based sdk should work Oct 11 17:36:47 SpeedEvil, why in chroot, i don't fully undestand idea Oct 11 17:36:55 *understand Oct 11 17:39:04 VDV: so you don't waste space in / Oct 11 17:40:04 ah, storage in / is limited, right? Oct 11 17:40:34 i don't yet understand how 32Gb distributes in all filesystem Oct 11 17:40:55 256M in / - not part of the 32G Oct 11 17:41:05 out of curiousity.. Oct 11 17:41:14 if meego was to deploy onto emmc, how would you partition it? Oct 11 17:41:24 and opt is on the same partition as / ? Oct 11 17:41:34 Stskeeps, very carefully! Oct 11 17:41:59 opt is the same as /home and is on eMMC Oct 11 17:42:10 2G in /home/user/ - as ext2 - which is also opt Oct 11 17:42:17 GAN900: well, how'd you partition it? Oct 11 17:42:19 remainder of space is swap and mydocs - which is 30G Oct 11 17:42:35 Stskeeps: Assuming base OS size == ? Oct 11 17:42:44 Stskeeps: I'd slice off 4G for it probably Oct 11 17:43:06 * Jaffa was going to say 3GB for base OS, 2GB for /home and rest as VFAT for media. Oct 11 17:43:22 Jaffa: ~700mb atm i think Oct 11 17:43:27 this is with sample media and such Oct 11 17:43:39 Stskeeps: Sample media is under /home? Oct 11 17:43:52 /usr/share/sample-media at first Oct 11 17:43:58 I have 8GB for /home on maemo. Don't like to run out of space. Oct 11 17:44:19 Stskeeps: Presumably an actual release wouldn't ship with too much Oct 11 17:45:01 Stskeeps, is the source of the initrd image available? Oct 11 17:45:07 MohammadAG: of our initrd? Oct 11 17:45:18 MohammadAG: it's in gitorious i think Oct 11 17:45:48 the way we're thinking about doing it .. or at least i am: kernel that boots into a initrd that exports emmc as usb mass storage Oct 11 17:46:27 Stskeeps: And then how'd you write & partition it in a cross-platform way? Oct 11 17:46:37 Stskeeps: How's eMMC speed compared with various classes of SD? Oct 11 17:46:38 well, that's the other challenge Oct 11 17:46:40 Jaffa: better Oct 11 17:46:47 Stskeeps: Indeed :-) Oct 11 17:47:36 Stskeeps: Better approach might be: download image to VFAT on eMMC. Run a Maemo app which repartitions (using something like gparted) and expands Oct 11 17:48:11 Jaffa: maybe, but ideally we shouldn't bootstrap using maemo.. Oct 11 17:50:25 p1 swap swap 512mb, p2 / ubifs 4gb, p3 /home jfs 8gb, p4 extended partion, p5 /media/data (logical) jfs the rest Oct 11 17:50:45 well, it's all btrfs and vfat, i think Oct 11 17:50:51 Jaffa: It's identical to my cheap 1G microSD. at ~12M/s Oct 11 17:51:05 why? brtfs is not stable and vfat has an huge overhead Oct 11 17:51:26 architectual choices Oct 11 17:52:04 xfs is too much, ext3 is too slow, jfs would be fast on arm. Oct 11 17:53:49 vfat for windows, ok... but why brtfs? s there no valid alternative without oracle Oct 11 17:54:36 i'd use zfs Oct 11 17:54:36 :P Oct 11 17:54:53 jfs was pretty painful on sd/mmc-type storage the last time I tested Oct 11 17:55:18 atleast btrfs has had some consideration for mmc Oct 11 17:55:33 Stskeeps, oh nice, you imported i2c-tools Oct 11 17:55:39 yes, but it is quite new, remember the problems with ext4... Oct 11 17:55:52 MohammadAG: hmm? Oct 11 17:56:30 anyone knows how to swap mouse buttons under linux? Oct 11 17:56:40 my middle button is almost dead, Oct 11 17:56:40 I'd actually want LogFS, but it's even more untested than btrfs :) Oct 11 17:56:55 http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-device-adaptation/n900_i2c-tools Stskeeps Oct 11 17:57:12 ah, yeah Oct 11 17:57:20 TomaszD_: Open device, replace button, close device. Oct 11 17:59:18 TomaszD_: Depends on distro. Some use hal, some udev etc. Google it for Your distro. Oct 11 17:59:42 udev is a must Oct 11 17:59:49 all distros use udev Oct 11 17:59:50 agreed :) Oct 11 17:59:57 and hal goes on top of that Oct 11 18:00:59 Stskeeps: But with a "mount as mass storage" approach, you're going to have to write an unpacker & partitioner for Windows, Linux and maybe OS X Oct 11 18:01:22 Jaffa: well, or just provide an image that can be repartitioned with relative ease Oct 11 18:01:44 Jaffa: i wonder how flasher does it.. Oct 11 18:01:50 Stskeeps: Oh, using a dd equivalent to write it Oct 11 18:02:01 Stskeeps: Or even flasher-3.5 to write the eMMC image Oct 11 18:02:11 that one is a problem since softupd on device side isn't oss Oct 11 18:09:25 where goes all apps which are installed by manager? in / ? Oct 11 18:09:47 Most goes to /opt Oct 11 18:10:05 = /home Oct 11 18:10:49 and /home/user too, right Oct 11 18:11:17 actually /home/opt Oct 11 18:11:49 hmm Oct 11 18:12:04 "/home, /home/user, /home/opt, /opt are all mountpoints for same device, not? Oct 11 18:12:30 /home/user should only contain *user* config files. Oct 11 18:12:49 check installed files with dpkg -L packagename Oct 11 18:12:51 and is physically on / ? Oct 11 18:12:57 no Oct 11 18:13:24 a little bit confusing schema Oct 11 18:13:32 Yes Oct 11 18:14:17 / fs is only 256mb Oct 11 18:14:31 so, i can't just do cp -r /* /home/user/chroot Oct 11 18:14:49 do i understand right? Oct 11 18:15:06 the files are sym linked from /home/opt/maemo/usr/bin to /usr/bin Oct 11 18:15:10 Yes, but do You really want to copy everything to that dir Oct 11 18:15:28 -r means recursive Oct 11 18:16:03 yes, but gcc needs full chroot env, not? Oct 11 18:16:10 you might want a -p (preserve permissions) too :) Oct 11 18:16:18 :) Oct 11 18:16:36 i've misunderstood SpeedEvil Oct 11 18:16:53 yes but why would You want to copy /home/user/MyDocs for example? :) Oct 11 18:17:05 that's also a subdir of / Oct 11 18:17:44 but cp don't copy dirs Oct 11 18:17:55 Yes, with -r Oct 11 18:17:59 recursive Oct 11 18:18:08 shouldn't i have bin, etc, usr under /home/user/chroot ? Oct 11 18:18:15 and / alone isn't enough Oct 11 18:18:37 and maybe with some --exclude flag Oct 11 18:18:52 that'll do the trick. Oct 11 18:19:00 http://gizmodo.com/5660933/how-to-add-an-iphone-hud-dock-to-your-ipad++and-get-true-multitasking Oct 11 18:19:11 true multitasking, yeah Oct 11 18:19:33 vdv: man cp ; cp -ax Oct 11 18:20:18 Or google chrooting :) Oct 11 18:21:13 basically everything You need to be accessible in Your chroot needs to be copied (libraries, binaries etc.) Oct 11 18:22:07 What about easy-chroot? Oct 11 18:22:41 ;) Oct 11 18:24:05 Hmm. That doesn't help much. You still need to create the contents. Oct 11 18:27:08 is Sebastian Lauwers here? Oct 11 18:27:33 crashanddie: pingpong ^ Oct 11 18:27:47 pong Oct 11 18:28:11 I http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-community@maemo.org/msg02707.html Oct 11 18:28:16 for future reference: /who is a great tool Oct 11 18:28:16 * DrWilken is liking communi IRC Oct 11 18:29:02 Stskeeps: How long did you waited for the new flash library? I hope they will accept my request, since I could only enter my university. Oct 11 18:30:20 tobis87: 1-2 days Oct 11 18:30:51 kureta: I'm Sebastian Oct 11 18:31:11 hi Oct 11 18:31:16 i am skureta Oct 11 18:31:18 from twitter Oct 11 18:31:32 i was hoping to get more info on injection driver Oct 11 18:31:44 Yeah, I figured Oct 11 18:31:48 Stskeeps: Ok, I hope I will get it and not every lemming will request it now or they might get pissed off. Oct 11 18:40:31 mhm Oct 11 18:40:44 Btw, news from the maintainer of the crypto hw accel for omap. He was able to reproduce the bugs I found and it seems it is a hardware bug which can be found on every omap. This means it is very likely that we will see a workaround. Oct 11 18:41:31 wouldn't a hardware bug be a living creature? Oct 11 18:42:07 :) Oct 11 18:42:21 it'd be a very tiny bug :) Oct 11 18:42:23 Well a cpu errata if you like. :-D Oct 11 18:49:46 Are there any news regarding thumb and smartreflex? I know that there a different revisions of the cpu inside the n900, the cpu which is used since hardware revision 2101 is newer and only these support hw accel., maybe thumb and/or smartreflex are fixed on the newer onces. Oct 11 18:51:26 thumb is working Oct 11 18:51:27 Mine is 2101 and I got in december 09 Oct 11 18:51:33 smartreflex is not Oct 11 18:51:42 how do you get the 2101? Oct 11 18:51:52 bootloader is thumb Oct 11 18:51:56 I have 2101 Oct 11 18:52:03 cat /proc/cpuinfo Oct 11 18:52:11 this was in the first batch of devices delivered to the UK Oct 11 18:52:25 same for DK Oct 11 18:52:41 jacekowski: Ok, I only have heard that some had problems with thumb. Oct 11 18:53:46 but MohammedAG had a problem regarding thumb for Ubuntu on the n900. Oct 11 18:54:15 bootloader is thumb as i said Oct 11 18:54:17 cpu is rev 3 (v71) Oct 11 18:54:22 it took me a while to realise that Oct 11 18:54:36 because it wouldn't decompile as arm Oct 11 18:54:44 and then i tried thumb Oct 11 18:54:45 and it worked Oct 11 18:57:13 I got my device very late, my hw rev is 2104. The maintainer told me that I would need 2101 at least for it to work, so there must be devices which are older and I thought that these devices might have been sold. Oct 11 18:58:14 what cpu rev is it? Oct 11 18:58:56 cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep Proc Oct 11 18:58:59 jacekowski: I was wrong, MohammedAG meant thumb2 support. Oct 11 18:59:34 DrWilken: I know how I can do it. But I have to start it first. :) Oct 11 18:59:37 hmm, that's kernel problem Oct 11 18:59:52 :) just curious :) Oct 11 19:00:48 Also are features different from 2101? Oct 11 19:01:14 Features : swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp thumbee neon vfpv3 Oct 11 19:01:54 jacekowski: Anyway, does gcc in scratchbox support thumb2 instructions? Oct 11 19:02:05 rev 3 v71 on mine Oct 11 19:02:08 tobis87: dunno Oct 11 19:02:56 dito, rev 3 (v71) Oct 11 19:02:57 Jace - 2101? Oct 11 19:03:01 ok Oct 11 19:03:57 dunno Oct 11 19:04:22 where is that number? Oct 11 19:04:47 cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep Rev Oct 11 19:04:48 cat /proc/cpuinfo Oct 11 19:04:50 But I only get: swp half fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3 Oct 11 19:05:13 DrWilken: Powerkernel? Oct 11 19:05:22 yes Oct 11 19:05:38 thumbee Oct 11 19:05:55 googling that :) Oct 11 19:06:15 jacekowski: You can get the revision nuber with the new flasher, I sent you once, flasher.rover -i Oct 11 19:07:14 http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0344c/ch16s04s04.html Oct 11 19:07:56 You might want to read that :) Oct 11 19:07:56 yeah Oct 11 19:07:58 2101 Oct 11 19:08:07 thumb-2 Oct 11 19:08:48 DrWilken: And thumb, but it does not make sense, if the compiler does not support creating the instructions. Oct 11 19:09:18 nope :/ Oct 11 19:12:31 wifi on N900 bit disappointing. winshit pc shows 46% signal but N900 sees it and drops it Oct 11 19:13:04 N900 connects momentarily and few minutes later drops it. Oct 11 19:13:55 the wifi signal itself is poor. is there anyway i can make N900 connect better even with high power usage? Oct 11 19:14:13 i have already disabled PSM mode Oct 11 19:14:15 no Oct 11 19:14:27 it has very small builtin antenna Oct 11 19:14:30 don't expect magic Oct 11 19:14:38 right Oct 11 19:15:04 what's the thing to get in 2011 Oct 11 19:15:17 pupnik: two n900s from ebay Oct 11 19:15:34 i do like resistive screen Oct 11 19:15:40 cheap? Oct 11 19:15:41 :) Oct 11 19:16:08 i suspect their used prices are fairly high? Oct 11 19:16:52 i got myself a brand new shiny fluke meter Oct 11 19:17:19 340-580 euro, avg around 380-400 Oct 11 19:18:03 haha, cat /proc/cpuinfo: Features : swp half fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3 VERSUS Features : swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp thumbee neon vfpv3 Oct 11 19:18:19 DrWilken: Ok, found the fix. http://pastebin.com/FLCVKqfb But I don't know any app which needs it, so it does not matter. And "flushes the branch target cache at every context switch" sounds like a handbrake to me. Oct 11 19:18:45 thumb and thumbee only on the 'older' one Oct 11 19:19:27 thumbee? Oct 11 19:19:27 aka PR1.1 Oct 11 19:19:53 have you tried changing just bootloader Oct 11 19:19:58 DocScrutinizer, I've successfully merged matan's hildon-desktop with mine Oct 11 19:19:58 now there's no need for a separate package, and I must say, ALT+Tab is AWESOME! Oct 11 19:20:01 DocScrutinizer: No, he has the powerkernel installed, the powerkernel has thumb and thumbee enabled. Which requieres the fix I posted Oct 11 19:20:06 if it's kernel or bootloader related Oct 11 19:20:14 MohammadAG: yes, indeed Oct 11 19:20:43 tobis87: who's "he"? Oct 11 19:21:36 what I quoted were my both N900, one with thumb being my original one ~1.5y old, with PR1.1 plus MohammadAG's hostmode-kernel Oct 11 19:23:02 nice to see these hacks Oct 11 19:24:00 tobis87 - ack :) Oct 11 19:24:00 MohammadAG: so you suggest I update the mhd download for alt-tab and cpu-hog fix another time? Oct 11 19:24:03 DocScrutinizer: DrWilken also has thumb enabled, but he uses the powerkernel. Oct 11 19:24:32 DocScrutinizer, it's no longer mhd :) Oct 11 19:24:45 lol Oct 11 19:24:50 it's hd now Oct 11 19:25:03 it's mohammad's hd now :-P Oct 11 19:25:20 Nice MohammadAG... :) Link? Oct 11 19:25:52 uploading Oct 11 19:25:57 lol DocScrutinizer Oct 11 19:25:59 :) Oct 11 19:26:13 ~seen matan Oct 11 19:26:18 so mhd still looks correct Oct 11 19:26:34 ~botsnack Oct 11 19:26:35 matan <530f167a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.15.22.122> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 25d 11h 30m 24s ago, saying: 'morning'. Oct 11 19:26:36 thanks, DocScrutinizer Oct 11 19:26:42 yeah, I just hate having lots of hildon-desktops Oct 11 19:26:46 damn laggy bot Oct 11 19:27:00 if only thp's patches could be added as a gconf setting Oct 11 19:27:07 it would be the ultimate hildon-desktop Oct 11 19:27:13 Sorry, but I don't understand it. PR 1.1 and the powerkernel have thumb enabled, but PR 1.2 and the hostmode kernel don't have it? Oct 11 19:27:17 thp patches? Oct 11 19:27:40 MohammadAG: how do you alt-tab w/o tab? Oct 11 19:27:47 I'm using PR1.2 and power kernel Oct 11 19:27:49 pr1.1 plus hostmode kenel has thumb Oct 11 19:27:54 yes, Thomas Oct 11 19:28:06 a 5 row keyboard with tab, esc, del and proper ctrl/fn/alt/shift... would be so nice Oct 11 19:28:15 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63419 Oct 11 19:28:52 Well, I mean the kernel which is supplied with the pr's, of course you can use another. Oct 11 19:28:57 luke-jr_: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10092 Oct 11 19:28:58 just takes 2 more rows and 3 more columns :) Oct 11 19:29:38 DocScrutinizer: Ovi sucks. Oct 11 19:29:54 * DocScrutinizer shrugs Oct 11 19:30:06 pupnik, the keyboard isn't open source :P Oct 11 19:30:07 what kind of idiot web developer uses Flash to display an image? Oct 11 19:30:20 well no but how about some fancy renders Oct 11 19:30:37 It's mp4 Oct 11 19:31:03 fine. s/image/video/ Oct 11 19:31:04 it's dunno what video Oct 11 19:31:17 how bout user-swappable keyboards Oct 11 19:31:26 pupnik: eInk keyboard. Oct 11 19:31:36 blargh Oct 11 19:31:46 sorry, need decent click and pressure Oct 11 19:31:51 ack Oct 11 19:32:09 pupnik: no reason eInk can't go inside physical keys. Oct 11 19:32:14 DocScrutinizer, DrWilken http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=838656&postcount=238 Oct 11 19:32:19 nintendo DS with virtual kbd on lower screen -no thanks Oct 11 19:32:41 ah i see what you mean luke-jr_ -- some day,, fine Oct 11 19:32:59 some company already produces OLED keyboards Oct 11 19:33:06 Thx MohammadAG :) Will give it a go... brb Oct 11 19:33:14 I think before eInk came out Oct 11 19:33:47 Imagine a n810 size device with a 4.5" screen, very small bezel, 3000mAh battery ... and swappable keyboards for different tastes Oct 11 19:33:53 MohammadAG: errm, do I really want that? Oct 11 19:34:05 pupnik: swappable kb would take too much space I think Oct 11 19:34:06 DocScrutinizer, no Oct 11 19:34:12 :nod: Oct 11 19:34:15 pupnik: eInk kb would allow apps to redefine keys too Oct 11 19:34:25 pupnik: think games which layout the kb for gaming Oct 11 19:34:48 pupnik: and C760-size is better ;P Oct 11 19:34:52 I think I need no faster kinetic scrolling in applauncher Oct 11 19:34:53 luke-jr_: we have a tendency to disagree on what would be cool to have, i think. pretty reliably. Oct 11 19:35:07 I got AppMeFo Oct 11 19:35:38 thanks MohammadAG :) Oct 11 19:35:43 but it's like that - everyone has their own dream-mix Oct 11 19:36:06 * luke-jr_ ships pupnik to Israel. Oct 11 19:36:49 pupnik: the keybord *is* as swappable as it gets Oct 11 19:37:04 swapping keymat actually is a snap Oct 11 19:37:18 DocScrutinizer: O.o Oct 11 19:37:35 well, for e.g. field-swappable would be 4 torx screws and pull-straight-up without dismantling anything else Oct 11 19:37:43 ok Oct 11 19:37:52 takes like 5 minutes to swap my qwerty to wertzu Oct 11 19:38:01 where's Alt(Meta) key on keyboard? :) Oct 11 19:38:09 DocScrutinizer: how does N900 deal with different maps in software? Oct 11 19:38:14 and yet, the N900 isn't advertised as having a swappable keyboard, DocScrutinizer Oct 11 19:38:16 pupnik: it's 2 torx, the rest is exactly what you say Oct 11 19:38:17 DocScrutinizer: and can you swap those without rebooting? Oct 11 19:38:31 hm Oct 11 19:38:55 ty DocScrutinizer :) Oct 11 19:38:56 luke-jr_: yes, *I* can Oct 11 19:39:01 lol Oct 11 19:39:06 xkbmap? Oct 11 19:39:11 just not me :p Oct 11 19:39:19 Doc does know many things Oct 11 19:39:37 I can't because Id be too scared at this point Oct 11 19:39:48 minitube needs so many features ... i swear .. Oct 11 19:39:55 no rotation support... no buffering settings Oct 11 19:41:30 You know what's tempting? A Pre 2. Oct 11 19:42:15 meh Oct 11 19:42:21 wrong formfactor Oct 11 19:42:38 DocScrutinizer, yeah, mostly. Oct 11 19:44:01 And probably still crappy resolution Oct 11 19:44:07 MohammadAG - Works... :) Oct 11 19:44:52 honestly I'll trade in N900 for nothing less than a N810-improved-GSM-edition Oct 11 19:45:09 had to dpkg -r modified-hildon-desktop and reinstall the new one ;) Oct 11 19:45:34 DocScrutinizer: a omap3 n810 would be nice Oct 11 19:45:58 with proper GSM chipset - yes Oct 11 19:46:13 basically a N900 in a N810 case Oct 11 19:47:21 MohammadAG: you can refactor the changes into gconf-able settings ;) Oct 11 19:47:44 all those portrait mode phones like MotoQ9 or pre, no thanks. All those capacitive ts, and esp those "we don't need any buttons" phones - yuck Oct 11 19:48:51 thp, true, I need to learn about gconf though Oct 11 19:48:55 have mercy and don't snatch away my NIT formfactor Oct 11 19:49:04 * pupnik signs up with DocScrutinizer and Stskeeps's company Oct 11 19:49:48 anyone got a chinese uncle? Oct 11 19:49:54 lol Oct 11 19:49:58 wanna buy one? :) Oct 11 19:50:06 Ebay? Oct 11 19:50:19 * DocScrutinizer cackles Oct 11 19:51:19 Sean's university room mate had, that's how Openmoko came to life Oct 11 19:51:44 or at least that's the legend Oct 11 19:52:15 haha Oct 11 19:52:18 that's funny Oct 11 19:52:55 were the gta03 specs ever finalised or released/leaked? :P Oct 11 19:53:25 gta03 was finalized to a point where we had 3 working prototypes Oct 11 19:53:51 but it's still under NDA :-P Oct 11 19:54:05 hehe, fair enough Oct 11 19:54:11 so I can't share photos or anything Oct 11 19:54:12 i heard a bunch of rumour and innuendo from steve Oct 11 19:54:19 so i have vague ideas Oct 11 19:54:31 * SpeedEvil sighs at silly lawyers. Oct 11 19:55:11 but honestly gta03 wasn't exactly a design I particularly liked Oct 11 19:56:09 the clues to the design were never even kind of specific, i only heard that it was a different design than the gta01/2, that it was "designed by a top designer", and a LOT of hints that it had a camera, or was designed to if the camera made the final spec Oct 11 19:56:14 had a lot of quirks by design, like no proper headset receptacle, c-ts, fixed battery... Oct 11 19:56:52 also got enough hints that i would bet it had edge Oct 11 19:57:07 the camera was kinda ok Oct 11 19:57:25 it had cinteron mc75i Oct 11 19:57:32 MohammadAG, is the hildon-desktop you posted just now not supposed to have fast kinetic scrolling? Oct 11 19:57:34 which has EDGE, yes Oct 11 19:58:26 such a funny project it was... :P Oct 11 19:58:47 and it looked kinda like a half chinese egg (the ones with transparent eggwhite) X-P Oct 11 19:58:50 i still see one of the two US openmoko employees somewhat often Oct 11 19:59:12 ugh... that doesn't sound nice Oct 11 19:59:58 looking at the design of openmoko hardware, well, who the hell designed that crap :S Oct 11 20:00:05 lol Oct 11 20:00:35 A blind guy? Oct 11 20:00:38 you know the old "desk lamp" imacs? Oct 11 20:00:46 no idea, but the US pr guy promised that the gta03 was designed by someone "well known" Oct 11 20:00:58 lol, same guy? :P Oct 11 20:01:00 Probably *feels* ok (?):) Oct 11 20:01:05 that's not something to brag about Oct 11 20:01:20 DrWilken: doubt that Oct 11 20:01:33 it looks like some cheap crappy chinese toy Oct 11 20:02:06 and such a wast of space with this halfcricle edges Oct 11 20:02:08 eh... the gta02 had a lot of downfalls, least of all its appearance Oct 11 20:02:09 nah, gta01/02 case was a different designer afaik Oct 11 20:02:20 i mean, curved edges are ok, but this is some kind of joke Oct 11 20:02:44 yeah, i was explicitly told the gta03 was from a different designer than the gta01/2 Oct 11 20:02:49 I was looking for a Linux phone before the N900 came out... And then I saw the OpenMoko... Oct 11 20:03:13 the hockey puck aka shower radio Oct 11 20:03:14 DocScrutinizer: so when does that NDA run up? :P Oct 11 20:03:22 dunno Oct 11 20:03:28 have to look Oct 11 20:03:34 pure curiosity, heh Oct 11 20:03:36 err check Oct 11 20:04:02 too fragile for a hockey puck and not waterproof for a shower radio... what a waste Oct 11 20:04:07 probably even then I mustn't publish any confidential material Oct 11 20:04:34 We could offer to buy the IP from OM. Oct 11 20:04:38 eh, my interest doesn't delve much beyond the appearance, and basic stuff like the chips in it Oct 11 20:04:40 I've got a spare 50p. Oct 11 20:04:51 I guess sean would love to sell it Oct 11 20:05:18 but I got no spare 50p for that cr... er nice device Oct 11 20:05:43 haha Oct 11 20:05:56 we should gather and buy the right for the design and then burn it to save the world from it ;) Oct 11 20:06:08 GTA03⁇ Oct 11 20:06:16 hehehe Oct 11 20:06:39 luke-jr_: indeed... the fun we could've had Oct 11 20:06:42 heh, found a 1€ for that Oct 11 20:06:45 and i'd also suggest to blacklist the designer(s) Oct 11 20:06:47 just in case Oct 11 20:07:24 i'm still convinced i'll find a use for the gta02s i have... Oct 11 20:07:32 ieatlint: mail me one? :P Oct 11 20:07:34 am leaning towards some sort of gps logger Oct 11 20:07:38 dRbiG: you got a decent hint to find who's the designer? Oct 11 20:07:42 luke-jr_: you actually want one? Oct 11 20:07:47 DocScrutinizer: we talking aobut 3D7K, or something new? Oct 11 20:07:59 ieatlint: I wouldn't mind playign with one :p Oct 11 20:08:14 ieatlint: just not worht the price tag OpenMoko thinks they can still get for it Oct 11 20:08:16 nope, 3err7Ky boilerplate number Oct 11 20:08:26 DocScrutinizer: blind without hands or some really smart bastard :) Oct 11 20:08:26 exactly that gta03 Oct 11 20:08:32 meh Oct 11 20:08:38 that GTA03 is probably obsolete now :P Oct 11 20:08:47 uh, i might be convinced... they've literally been sitting around for 18+ months now Oct 11 20:08:50 have two gta02s Oct 11 20:08:56 luke-jr_: it is Oct 11 20:09:17 yeah, s3c6410… OLD Oct 11 20:09:24 that was N8x0 generation Oct 11 20:09:44 yep Oct 11 20:09:51 both "US edition" (ie, gsm 850/1800/1900) Oct 11 20:09:58 mc75i, nice modem but no 3G Oct 11 20:10:11 ieatlint: does that translate to "AT&T edition" or "T-Mobile edition"? XD Oct 11 20:10:33 luke-jr_: it's GSM only, so no difference Oct 11 20:10:40 uh, at&t edition -- but it works just as well on t-mo as at&t Oct 11 20:11:00 DocScrutinizer: nah, due to stupidity, the 850mhz gsm band is at&t only Oct 11 20:11:08 t-mo US uses 1900 Oct 11 20:11:17 for 3G afaik Oct 11 20:11:33 nope, t-mo US UMTS is 1700/2100 if i recall right Oct 11 20:11:42 s3c6410 is in SmartQ too :) Oct 11 20:11:59 ieatlint, that sounds off, somehow. Oct 11 20:12:14 DocScrutinizer: N900 only does 3G for T-Mo, and only 2G for AT&T Oct 11 20:12:16 s3cxxxx has no zero-clock Oct 11 20:12:29 luke-jr_: see? Oct 11 20:12:44 850/1900, ieatlint. Oct 11 20:12:47 so gta02 will do 2G for both carriers Oct 11 20:12:55 hmm, maybe i'm mixing up 1900 and 1800 Oct 11 20:12:59 ok :p Oct 11 20:13:10 ieatlint, who the hell can keep any of it straight? Oct 11 20:13:15 AT&T doesn't count though, since they're way too ridiculously expensive :P Oct 11 20:13:20 nope Oct 11 20:13:24 I thought t-mob gsm bands were covered by n900 too? Oct 11 20:13:39 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_USA#Radio_Frequency_Summary Oct 11 20:13:44 ShadowJK: I mean it only supports 3G for T-Mobile. I didn't mean it doesn't support 2G for it Oct 11 20:13:48 err Oct 11 20:13:54 if (3G) carrier=T-Mobile Oct 11 20:13:58 their network is 1900mhz, with a very small part that can roam onto AT&T's 850mhz network Oct 11 20:14:02 * luke-jr_ stabs English Oct 11 20:14:03 and is 1700/2100 for umts Oct 11 20:14:30 DocScrutinizer, i guess that's why it eats so much power :) Oct 11 20:14:34 luke-jr_: and the gta02 is a 2g only device -- no UMTS, no EDGE (GPRS only) Oct 11 20:14:45 ieatlint: ah, didn't know that Oct 11 20:14:46 ShadowJK: which one? Oct 11 20:14:55 isn't EDGE a CDMA2000 thing? Oct 11 20:15:00 s3c64xx Oct 11 20:15:05 aah yes Oct 11 20:15:34 this insane suspend/resume thing that never will pan out properly Oct 11 20:15:57 gsm/umts in the US is just fucking confusing and proprietary Oct 11 20:16:26 luke-jr, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_Data_Rates_for_GSM_Evolution Oct 11 20:16:54 ieatlint: yes, as some braindamaged carriers are abusing genuine 2G GSM bands for UMTS Oct 11 20:17:34 Matan's getting on my nerves Oct 11 20:17:41 Enhanced Datarates for Gsm Evolution = EDGE Oct 11 20:18:25 even in europe 900MHz is used for umts :) Oct 11 20:18:44 and 1.8GHz planned to get lte Oct 11 20:18:50 in addition to gsm Oct 11 20:19:14 DocScrutinizer: just one is -- at&t Oct 11 20:19:40 t-mo is using half the standard umts freqs and half weird 1700mhz Oct 11 20:19:43 where's "3" (the carrier) ? Oct 11 20:21:56 * jaska rips out hair Oct 11 20:22:48 just did the toothpaste trick on my N900 Oct 11 20:22:51 worked a treat :D Oct 11 20:23:13 DocScrutinizer: not sure what you mean by 3 carrier Oct 11 20:23:33 ieatlint: IIRC some Europe carrier is called '3' Oct 11 20:23:40 3 is the name of a carrier in the UK Oct 11 20:23:56 ah, not in the US indeed Oct 11 20:24:04 no 3, no o2, no vodaphone Oct 11 20:24:10 there are many diferent ones called "3" Oct 11 20:24:14 Vodafone Oct 11 20:24:27 PhonicUK, what is toothpaste trick? Oct 11 20:24:32 Vodalame Oct 11 20:24:34 :p Oct 11 20:24:35 and virgin mobile is a nasty company that resells someone else's network (cdma) Oct 11 20:24:41 toothpaste on a scratched screen Oct 11 20:25:20 toothpaste is a mild abrasive Oct 11 20:25:58 I recommend a screen protector Oct 11 20:26:27 ieatlint: reselling is common Oct 11 20:26:57 not common enough Oct 11 20:27:00 toothpaste trick?? Oct 11 20:27:00 -?, damn keyboard Oct 11 20:27:03 someone should try reselling T-Mobile XD Oct 11 20:27:55 would be nice, actually, if you could get like 50 data-only SIM cards sharing some prepaid data plan or something Oct 11 20:36:33 how can i remove package previously installed with dpkg -i ? Oct 11 20:37:19 apt-get remove Oct 11 20:38:19 or dpkg -r Oct 11 20:39:04 fancy pants Oct 11 20:40:17 :P Oct 11 20:43:05 * wmarone wonders if python apps are always this slow, or if mediabox is just slow Oct 11 20:43:33 python Oct 11 20:44:56 * MohammadAG wants a microB addon which watches for flv, when an flv appears, transfer it to the media player and play with gstreamer-flv Oct 11 20:49:11 You could port mplayerplug-in and set modules.plugins.mimetype.video/x-flv to it. Oct 11 20:50:15 Not quite. Oct 11 20:50:28 flv isn't typically a simple stream Oct 11 20:50:37 it is recieved by flash, then played Oct 11 20:53:36 Do you need to play the flash to receive the flv url? Easy Youtube Video Downloader supports to download the flv without starting the flash (tested with flashblock). Oct 11 20:54:43 It depends on the flash. Oct 11 20:54:57 Tehre is no generic way to recover the stream URL without running the flash Oct 11 20:56:12 i used aTubeCatcher.exe for downloading flashified videos, did not work for all but for many Oct 11 20:56:53 it works without flash Oct 11 20:57:10 how do I "link" together two scratchbox projects? I'm trying to build matchbox-keyboard but it needs libfakekey, which I've already built, but the matchbox-keyboard project still cannot see libfakekey is built Oct 11 20:57:27 for youtube you probably only need to change the URL Oct 11 20:57:27 but idk the pattern mediabox uses Oct 11 20:57:36 This is the first time I've played around with porting stuff to maemo, so I'm a noob Oct 11 20:58:02 But I did get it without the flash, maybe they found a way for youtube only. But opening a flv link e. g. http://youtube.com/get_video?video_id=TZRaVVXAi6o&t=vjVQa1PpcFNtoXiphbJU8J6fzBWISh8q8lmdGuBHUlc%3D&asv= does start mplayer. Oct 11 20:58:13 sqwable: you'd install the packages generated by the libfake build Oct 11 20:58:47 the *-dev*deb and whatever it depends on, roughly Oct 11 20:58:52 "install the packages" on to the system? (I think I've tried that once with openssl or something, broke the whole OS :D ) Oct 11 20:59:11 oh Oct 11 20:59:14 well, in the scratchbox target, those are expendable ;) Oct 11 21:00:15 sp3000, so basically create the path inside the sbhome? Oct 11 21:00:57 not sure what you mean by that Oct 11 21:01:14 sqwable: no… Oct 11 21:01:21 sqwable: you need to add a dependency Oct 11 21:01:24 but if you're using dpkg-buildpackage or suchlike you'll get .debs which you can install Oct 11 21:01:30 sqwable, dpkg -i the package Oct 11 21:01:55 MohammadAG: that's not the correct solution -.- Oct 11 21:02:00 he should use a dependency Oct 11 21:02:00 package? oh, so I should create a deb package of the project I compiled? Oct 11 21:02:13 <-- noob :) Oct 11 21:02:21 be gentle Oct 11 21:02:48 luke-jr_, the way I understood him was that he has the dependency, but it's not compiling cause it can't see it installed Oct 11 21:03:55 I'm using the maemo sdk virtual machine, compiled the new libfakekey and I'm trying to get matchbox-keyboard compile Oct 11 21:04:21 it says I need to install libfakekey from svn Oct 11 21:04:48 I'll just try copying out the file into /scratchbox/usr/lib and see if matchbox-keyboard will compile :) Oct 11 21:04:57 file(s) Oct 11 21:05:27 make install it? Oct 11 21:05:41 for compiling, you will need the header.h files, not the lib*.so files Oct 11 21:09:07 and the *.la *.a files. Oct 11 21:09:22 and what do I do with them? Oct 11 21:13:39 well, you need them in a path, where they can be found if the other program has to get linked against this library. But I have never copied them manuelly, You should try to install the lib with make install, check that you have set the proper prefix= for ./configure Oct 11 21:24:32 Ahhahahhaa: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/10/2010-10-11186wp7launch.jpg Oct 11 21:25:51 going backwards with wm7 Oct 11 21:26:03 multitasking 2012 Oct 11 21:26:10 wm6.5 just needed to be a bit snappier and more stable, better UI Oct 11 21:26:12 job done Oct 11 21:27:43 Am I the onlyone finding those plain blue squares with stuff in them ugly? Oct 11 21:28:23 nope Oct 11 21:36:53 Someone already got Windows NT running on the N900, but this would be good for a laugh as well: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&ie=UTF8&langpair=auto|en&u=http://www.winhistory.de/more/wfp.htm Oct 11 21:41:52 Diane: Ever since I was a child, I've wanted to dance.... so badly. Oct 11 21:41:53 Norm: Looks like you got your wish. Oct 11 21:45:38 pupnik, are you watching /Cheers/? Oct 11 21:53:58 yes GAN900 Oct 11 21:55:48 ran many years didn't it Oct 11 22:12:44 pupnik, yes. Oct 11 22:12:53 pupnik, likely you'll also enjoy Frasier. Oct 11 22:16:31 frasier is great Oct 11 22:23:46 Best spinoff ever. Oct 11 22:29:16 * SpeedEvil ponders. Oct 11 22:29:41 I'm going with Mirror universe Voyager, if that counts. Oct 11 22:29:50 * SpeedEvil dreams of Empress Hoshi. Oct 11 22:37:39 SpeedEvil: jacekowski: https://elektranox.org/n900/images/wireshark/04.png Oct 11 22:38:00 https://elektranox.org/n900/libisi/index.html Oct 11 22:38:09 bad ca Oct 11 22:38:17 i'm not going there! Oct 11 22:38:19 luke-jr_: ^^^ Oct 11 22:39:25 SpeedEvil: empress Hoshi :-D yay! Oct 11 22:40:49 though Hoshi wasn't Voyager crew, it's been Enterprise NX-01 Oct 11 22:42:52 hoshi is from enterprise Oct 11 22:44:20 Interesting Oct 11 22:44:23 err Oct 11 22:44:25 eys Oct 11 22:44:26 oops Oct 11 22:44:53 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Oct 11 22:44:55 There wasn't a mirror voyager - other than the mimetic one. Oct 11 22:45:00 IIRC Oct 11 22:57:32 where'd you meed hoshi jacekowski ... i haven't seen that name in years Oct 11 23:17:49 haha, i would have hit my head on the wall infinitely unless i had seen that ldconfig or someone had linked libvte.so.9 to libvte.so.9.2.18.backup instead of the modified libvte.so.9.2.18 Oct 11 23:29:57 Anyone got an idea how to make the USB networking visible to maemo? Basically how do I fake that the device is "online" although it's not online via gprs0 nor wlan0? Oct 11 23:30:26 libicd-network-dummy from Fremantle Nokia-binaries repository or better libicd-network-null <= both packages as described on http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking do not exist :( Oct 11 23:51:59 Anyone got an idea how to programmatically from a script to change the hildon/Maemo connection? Oct 12 00:00:20 hello. two n00b-questions: is there a special channel for n900-user and exist a german channel? Oct 12 00:12:25 na5uta-work, this is the N900 channel, considering that there is exactly one current Maemo (current == version 5) device, the N900. Oct 12 00:13:21 na5uta-work, German channel, not really, #maemo.de has exactly one user + ChanServ. Oct 12 00:20:15 It's not teh n900 channel Oct 12 00:20:35 It's the maemo channel - there are a number of people with n810, 800, 770 Oct 12 00:26:15 mhm, really 15 users in #n900 Oct 12 00:28:54 heh Oct 12 00:37:15 yacc: (how to make the USB networking visible) check PC Connectivity Manager package for Diablo. I'd think it might have what you are looking for - maybe even the fremantle pkg works Oct 12 00:37:46 Well, I managed, I misread devel for testing, enabling devel found the package. Oct 12 00:38:20 Still it would be really cool if one could add a command to pcsuite-enable.sh so that the connection get's switched to "Dummy" without manual interaction. Oct 12 00:39:04 yacc: I use usb networking in the n900 a lot, and if the connection is up you see the usb icon, but wifi and gprs will take precedence Oct 12 00:39:24 Actually, switching Dual/2G/3G from cmdline would be useful too, switching to 2G the moment USB is plugged in, .. Oct 12 00:39:31 err, pcsuite-enable.sh does exactly the opposite, so quite likely isn't what you want Oct 12 00:39:47 jpinx-eeepc, yeah, but I want usb0 to be the default route, ... Oct 12 00:40:09 mine is Oct 12 00:40:15 DocScrutinizer well the recommendation in the wiki page is to add ifup usb0 to pcsuite-enable, and it works fine. Oct 12 00:40:36 yacc: sort out you routing and network interfaces Oct 12 00:40:37 hmpf Oct 12 00:40:46 jpinx-eeepc, routing is not my problem. Oct 12 00:41:26 yacc: what exactly is the problem? Oct 12 00:41:28 jpinx-eeepc, my problem are modern Linux apps, e.g. Maemo apps, that use dbus or other modern foobar to detect online/offline state, and they do not even try a connect() call when offline, ... Oct 12 00:42:06 PC suite mode is for tethering N900 modem to PC (among other purposes) - so how could it be sane to add PC as N900 default route? Oct 12 00:42:09 jpinx-eeepc, happens the same on Gnome/KDE desktops nowaday, if you have NetworkManager in operation, and connect say with a 3rd party tool like wvdial say via UMTS to the Internet. Oct 12 00:42:39 For kmail, evolution, firefox and friends you are offline despite the fact that ping www.google.com works in a xterm. Oct 12 00:42:48 I recommend you check PC Connectivity pkg Oct 12 00:43:00 * jpinx-eeepc still doesn't get the problem - Oct 12 00:43:22 yacc: I plug in the usb to my laptop and it just connects - no issues Oct 12 00:43:51 yacc: I can use the laptop wifi, or the n900 wifi or gprs or whatever Oct 12 00:44:17 DocScrutinizer: Well, technically it makes sense, in a very sick way. I can easily provide an uplink via UMTS modem dialin via the N900 if the PC is the default gateway of the N900. The other way works only if the N900 is meant to be the uplink. Oct 12 00:44:33 jpinx-eeepc, yeah, but I want to use it the other way. Oct 12 00:44:46 works both ways for me Oct 12 00:45:10 use the n900 as internet connection for the laptop or vice-versa Oct 12 00:45:18 jpinx-eeepc, not really, because the N900 prefers the UMTS/WLAN route for anything beside the local network. Oct 12 00:45:52 jpinx-eeepc, if you have no GPRS/WLAN connection, the N900 GUI apps won't believe they are online, ... Oct 12 00:45:53 prefers ? Oct 12 00:46:07 http://maemo.org/packages/view/pc-connectivity-manager/ Oct 12 00:46:12 jpinx-eeepc, yeah, it still has the default route via gprs0 (or wlan0) Oct 12 00:46:14 ah - yea - gotcha now - they do - just give it time Oct 12 00:46:37 it sees to have to think about searching for another connection Oct 12 00:46:51 DocScrutinizer: does that need a reboot? Oct 12 00:47:11 Anyway, bb in half an hour or so, the dog wants to stretch it's legs, so to say, ... Oct 12 00:47:13 making application manager connect through the usb to the laptop wifi was sloooooow Oct 12 00:47:15 dunno, probably. It's a settings menu Oct 12 00:47:56 jpinx-eeepc, well, in my case it makes x11vnc quite a bit faster than WLAN, and the desktop PC has 100mbit Internet connectivity, ... Oct 12 00:48:19 yacc: sure, once the n900 has decided to se the usb - it's fine Oct 12 00:48:57 but getting the n900 to use the usb for native gui apps is - for some reason - really slow Oct 12 00:49:01 wow i got the phone plugged to the tv (cabels out) and the sound is great Oct 12 00:51:00 http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=542298#post542298 <--PC-Connectivity manager Oct 12 00:51:52 DangerMaus: sure, why shouldn't sound be great? The only problem is the picture quality basically sucks Oct 12 00:52:22 yep Oct 12 00:52:36 * DangerMaus just wooried about the speakers Oct 12 00:54:01 the next one needs to putput 1080 Oct 12 00:54:06 output Oct 12 00:54:16 though prob onlly get 720 Oct 12 00:54:48 DocScrutinizer: good link - all the issues are covered there - loss of wifi after unplugging usb being a real pita Oct 12 01:17:27 I guess when WiFi ceases working it's probably fixable by removing and modprobing the wlan module. Or simply by using "flight mode" or any other method to "powercycle" the wlan chip **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Oct 12 02:59:57 2010