**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 15 02:59:57 2010 Oct 15 04:07:19 that irc protocal addon what if I need to send some commands to the server? Oct 15 04:17:51 you use /command Oct 15 04:19:03 and is there some sort of preform commands after connect? Oct 15 04:21:13 /command privmsg ham5 hi Oct 15 04:33:56 ham5: /help Oct 15 04:53:02 come join us at #hackers or ##itt-tech . if you dare that is..... Oct 15 05:20:14 Oct 15 05:21:10 definitely Oct 15 05:22:36 indeed Oct 15 05:22:39 so dark outside Oct 15 05:31:23 oh my, fourth Knuth tome is coming out soon Oct 15 05:31:45 4A, to be exact :) Oct 15 05:57:40 Hi! What is the ideal way of making the physical keyboard RETURN key send Return and not KP_Enter? Will doing so break anything? Oct 15 05:57:55 probably will break things ;) Oct 15 05:58:17 That's a big "probably" there. :) Oct 15 05:58:30 http://thenokiablog.com/2010/10/14/palm-hires-ari-jaaksi/ <- wtf Oct 15 05:59:53 wait, Palm has already got close to bankruptcy they do not need to learn that Oct 15 06:00:00 palm's HP now Oct 15 06:00:23 i know Oct 15 06:00:56 i was just gently pointing out that the guy is not exactly known for skyrocketing a product to stardom and Palm is erm well was not shining lately either Oct 15 06:03:03 needless to say, i was fidgeting between Android and Maemo for a year and today made finally the decision so while dissing Nokia for being a bunch of idiots, the N900 is *still* the best phone on the market for me Oct 15 06:04:13 then again, where else would you find someone who gets Linux and isn't an android guy? Oct 15 06:04:16 :P Oct 15 06:05:11 on this level? Oct 15 06:05:13 that's fair Oct 15 06:05:52 Hello all Oct 15 06:09:39 Stskeeps, do you happen to be around? Oct 15 06:09:51 if you count it being around having this low caffeine level Oct 15 06:10:15 in other words cranky? ;) Oct 15 06:10:21 Eh, close enough. Oct 15 06:12:27 Anyway, I'm still trying to work out how to make a proper flashable ubifs image. I did as you suggested and used tar with the --numeric-owner -pcf options. I get a (seemingly) valid archive. When I flash it, it won't even -try- to boot(nokia logo for a bit, then it shuts off). Oct 15 06:12:43 wth? What is it with mornings and tmo/fmc? Oct 15 06:13:00 Note that I excluded the contents of /dev/ in my archive - that shouldn't be a problem, should it? Oct 15 06:13:13 mece: probably got flooded after http://thenokiablog.com/2010/10/14/palm-hires-ari-jaaksi/ Oct 15 06:13:17 RobbieThe1st: quite big problem Oct 15 06:13:21 It's not just you! http://forum.meego.com looks down from here. / It's not just you! http://talk.maemo.org looks down from here. Oct 15 06:13:42 It's not dynamically generated? Oct 15 06:13:45 * mece gasps Oct 15 06:14:34 RobbieThe1st: at bootup you always need basic /dev stuff before udev starts up Oct 15 06:14:47 Fair enough Oct 15 06:14:53 damn Oct 15 06:20:28 Also, another question. I ran into a comment saying that a full wipe to PR1.2 doesn't reset any eraseblock info. If that ends up being corrupt or bad, how do you clear that(and potentially re-test all sections of the flash)? Oct 15 06:20:51 nanderase from a initrd Oct 15 06:21:47 Hm... That would be safe to do when running off a ramdisk, right? Oct 15 06:51:51 Alright, so I flashed to PR1.2, bound /dev/ elsewhere, then tar'd up the remaining files. I then copied it to my desktop, and added the files to my image. There's a good ~150 files, all "character device" or "block device", and all of size 0B. I made my image, flashed it... Again, nothing Oct 15 06:53:00 Lets see, in terms of other info, /boot, /tmp, /sys, /proc, /srv, /initrd, /floppy and /cdrom are all empty folders in my image. Should any of them have content? Oct 15 06:58:07 RobbieThe1st, great thread that portrait mode thread. Made me lol Oct 15 06:58:11 Stskeeps: Have you got my message from tuesday?: But I've got an older version of the driver, because the new is based on ahash, which cannot be backported. So I cannot say if the omap-sham will work, because the new one also uses dma and dma caused these problems. Oct 15 06:58:18 ok Oct 15 06:58:20 2.6.35? Oct 15 06:58:23 :p Oct 15 06:59:48 Stskeeps: Yes the driver in 2.6.35 uses dma. If it does work, you want to add these two patches: http://marc.info/?l=linux-omap&m=127859730421939&q=raw http://marc.info/?l=linux-omap&m=128343706809048&q=raw Oct 15 07:01:16 ok Oct 15 07:02:44 Stskeeps: Btw, what stands in the way to be able to use the 2.6.35 kernel on the n900 with maemo? Which drivers are still missing? Oct 15 07:03:30 maemo requires a lot of interfaces now gone Oct 15 07:07:45 Do you mean for example the program which configures the wifi on every boot? Would this not be a nice gift, if pr 1.3 would give you the ability to update your kernel to a newer version, I mean cleanup the interface stuff? Oct 15 07:11:02 maemo requires a lot of interfaces now gone Oct 15 07:11:20 bme and mce would be the first to die right? Oct 15 07:11:34 bme can be upgraded, or the meego version can be pulled Oct 15 07:11:40 mce - I don't give a shit Oct 15 07:12:04 * MohammadAG downloads latest kernel source Oct 15 07:12:33 Stskeeps: Alright, so I flashed to PR1.2, bound /dev/ elsewhere, then tar'd up the remaining files. I then copied it to my desktop, and added the files to my image. There's a good ~150 files, all "character device" or "block device", and all of size 0B. I made my image, flashed it... Again, nothing Oct 15 07:12:42 Lets see, in terms of other info, /boot, /tmp, /sys, /proc, /srv, /initrd, /floppy and /cdrom are all empty folders in my image. Should any of them have content? Oct 15 07:12:54 RobbieThe1st: hmm Oct 15 07:13:16 RobbieThe1st: out of ideas right now - can i help you during the weekend? we have last minute additions to meego so Oct 15 07:13:25 Sure Oct 15 07:13:49 Let me know if you have any ideas; feel free to PM me on the forums or send me an email if I'm not here, Oct 15 07:14:07 /boot holds kernel images for on device reflashes Oct 15 07:14:25 /sys can't be empty when the device is up and running, same goes for /proc Oct 15 07:14:45 /cdrom and /floppy are pretty obvious :p Oct 15 07:14:51 the N900 has no /initrd Oct 15 07:14:58 no idea about /srv Oct 15 07:16:20 MohammadAG: In case you missed the earlier discussion, I'm trying to make a flashable N900 rootfs image. I have a tar'd archive of all the files, this instruction for making the image: http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/making-flashable-rootfss-for-n900.html Everything works fine, but it won't start to boot Oct 15 07:16:35 No blinking dots, it doesn't get past the Nokia logo. Oct 15 07:17:14 flash a framebuffer kernel and see what stops it Oct 15 07:17:47 http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/framebuffer/zImage-fb-omap1.bin Oct 15 07:18:46 Perfect Oct 15 07:24:27 Ok, here's the error: UBIFS error (pid 1): ubifs_check_mode: bad CRC: calculated .... read ... then "bad node at LEB 0:0", "expected node type 6" Oct 15 07:25:03 maybe you're hitting your own badblocks problem now.. Oct 15 07:25:33 crc errors should be ignored afaik Oct 15 07:25:34 CONFIG_CMDLINE="init=/sbin/preinit ubi.mtd=rootfs root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rootflags=bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc rw console=ttyMTD,log console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6" Oct 15 07:26:24 Stskeeps, any ideas what this means lib/crc-ccitt.c:0: warning: switch -mcpu=cortex-a8 conflicts with -march= switch, assuming CPU feature set Oct 15 07:26:26 Um, what should I do with that? Oct 15 07:26:35 MohammadAG: normal Oct 15 07:26:45 that's the default kernel cmdline RobbieThe1st Oct 15 07:26:50 Stskeeps, I see Oct 15 07:27:14 Well, erm, PR1.2 flashing does work, so I assume that this should be able to be made to work the same way Oct 15 07:27:34 Stskeeps, I'm assuming the N900 2.6.25 MeeGo kernel source is on gitorious somewhere? Oct 15 07:29:01 MohammadAG: After those errors, I get an error about not having the root= option set, availaible partitons: blank. Then kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount rootfs on unknown-block(0,0) Oct 15 07:29:11 hello Oct 15 07:29:23 hi Oct 15 07:29:35 MohammadAG: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/kernel-source/trees/master/patches Oct 15 07:30:10 hrw, thanks Oct 15 07:30:56 RobbieThe1st, try flasher-3.5 --boot="init=/sbin/preinit ubi.mtd=rootfs root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rootflags=bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc rw console=ttyMTD,log console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6" Oct 15 07:31:02 * RST38h started getting spam about Indian marriage services Oct 15 07:31:04 though I don't see why you'd need to do that Oct 15 07:31:10 TY Oct 15 07:31:24 I guess they finally figured out I do not need Russian mailorder brides Oct 15 07:32:02 lol? http://www.wtf.org/wtf_eng/main/main_eng.html http://www.whorepresents.com/ http://nsfw.org/ Oct 15 07:32:19 I'm not opening that! Oct 15 07:33:19 Appiah, actually, they're all SFW Oct 15 07:33:26 :) Oct 15 07:33:46 depends on your w Oct 15 07:34:14 http://wtf.org/photo/img_photo/04_main.gif Oct 15 07:34:23 MohammadAG: Same error. It seems like there's an error in the image? nand? and it's not able to mount. Oct 15 07:34:38 crashanddie, that may or may not be true, but i doubt "whorepresents" will get through most work filters :p Oct 15 07:34:42 http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/making-flashable-rootfss-for-n900.html <- has been used successfully by someone else, right? Oct 15 07:34:51 TermanaN900, I know :P Oct 15 07:38:40 Stskeeps: Are there any news regarding hw. accel. support in openssl? Sha1 and Md5 acceleration might be handy if dnssec will have to be supported. Oct 15 07:38:47 no, not following that Oct 15 07:38:50 hmm shit Oct 15 07:39:00 Stskeeps, the kernel partition is only 2MBs right? Oct 15 07:40:18 MohammadAG: right Oct 15 07:40:27 MohammadAG: but 2MB is a lot Oct 15 07:40:39 not for a 3MB image Oct 15 07:40:48 need to check .config for extra crap Oct 15 07:40:53 then don't bloat it Oct 15 07:40:53 :P Oct 15 07:40:57 and strip it Oct 15 07:41:05 MohammadAG: and use lzma for compression Oct 15 07:41:12 lol modules ftw ;) Oct 15 07:42:17 "This little piggy went to market -- to pay off a Russian woman's overdue debt to a bank. Oct 15 07:42:17 Court officers in far eastern Russia have seized a piglet from a woman who owes a bank 13,000 roubles ($432) and put it up for sale to recuperate some of the money, the regional branch of the Federal Bailiffs Service said on Thursday." Oct 15 07:42:28 arch/arm/boot/compressed/piggy.lzma.S:4: Error: file not found: arch/arm/boot/compressed/piggy.lzma Oct 15 07:42:57 MohammadAG, perhaps you forgot to compress the piggy? Oct 15 07:43:02 oink Oct 15 07:43:19 Stskeeps: meego still uses "format/unpack/boot" way of upgrades? Oct 15 07:43:26 Stskeeps: Sorry for bugging you, but the two lines you have here: http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/making-flashable-rootfss-for-n900.html have been tested, correct? Oct 15 07:43:39 RobbieThe1st: yes, we used them for the first meego images Oct 15 07:43:43 hrw: you can do zypper up too but we're not testng it Oct 15 07:44:22 Stskeeps: I will wait for something ready for users rather Oct 15 07:44:31 I don't understand that more people are interested in ipv6 than in dnssec. I have upgraded to the newested bind9 yesterday and it shows up that debian.org is already signed, but gentoo.org is not. :-D Oct 15 07:46:02 * RST38h isn't interested in either, so he cannot relate Oct 15 07:46:36 lol... Oct 15 07:46:36 Ari Jaaksi joining Palm :) Oct 15 07:47:45 itym HP Oct 15 07:48:25 hmm Oct 15 07:48:32 how was the first compiler compiled? :P Oct 15 07:48:36 RST38h, so what kind of recent tech developments *do* interest you? Oct 15 07:48:44 (honestly curious, not sarcastic) Oct 15 07:49:29 MohammadAG: it wasn't compiled, someone preyed enough and it appeared, already compiled Oct 15 07:49:33 MohammadAG: You would have to ask Grace Hopper, how she did it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Hopper Oct 15 07:49:54 MohammadAG: It was written in assembly, most likely Oct 15 07:50:17 RobbieThe1st, what about the first assembler? :P Oct 15 07:51:18 Well, as assembly is simply human readable machine language, you could make the claim that punched cards were assembly Oct 15 07:51:20 johnx, with hardware logic? Oct 15 07:53:06 "The first time you do something, it's science. The second time you do something, it's engineering. The third time you do something, it's being a technician." Oct 15 07:53:15 I like the idea that we're getting closer and closer to proper desktop 3D printers. then we can have software that builds some software to complete the circle Oct 15 07:53:52 crashanddie, heh. pretty sure I'm past technician and all the way down to mechanic :) Oct 15 07:55:21 johnx: gradual switch to remote controlled air force Oct 15 07:55:34 Yea, wouldn't it be great to go "Hm... I need a new SD card." *torrent plans*, print. Oct 15 07:55:42 RST38h, hacking opportunity of a lifetime? you probably only get one shot though ... Oct 15 07:55:51 johnx: movement from paper books to ebooks Oct 15 07:55:56 Sure, in reality that'd be pretty hard, but at some point it ought to be possible Oct 15 07:57:02 RST38h, got any newspapers that you're happy to see be the first to go? Oct 15 07:57:04 plastic ink would cost more than the SD card by then Oct 15 07:57:23 johnx: I have not read a paper newspaper copy for months now Oct 15 07:57:46 it's probably been a year or so since I've really sat down and read one Oct 15 07:58:01 By then, the nanobots or living cells that actually make it could probably tear down other objects for raw materials Oct 15 07:58:21 but still, the ebook situation is just as bad as streaming films: a million formats, specific formats working only on specific OSes or hardware Oct 15 07:58:43 sigh, 2240900 Oct 15 07:58:45 johnx: in general, only technological changes that matter are those that may/will affect your day to day life Oct 15 07:58:47 So, you put your iphone 300 on one side, take the plans for your Nokia N9,000,000 and put it in, press "make"... Oct 15 07:59:02 RST38h, IPv6 will affect my day-to-day work very much :) Oct 15 07:59:09 johnx: ipv6 has been around for years and its effect on your life is nul Oct 15 07:59:10 johnx: That's what good old HTML's for. Oct 15 07:59:16 Morning, all Oct 15 07:59:18 johnx: Pretty sure it will not Oct 15 07:59:34 You wil have to change a few things you normally do at work but nothing big Oct 15 07:59:48 RST38h, you could have reasonably made that argument about virtualization 10 years ago Oct 15 08:00:06 johnx: virtualization has not affected me over these years Oct 15 08:00:19 RST38h, in case you forgot: johnx == sysadmin Oct 15 08:00:22 Bootloader error log follows: Oct 15 08:00:22 ERROR: Image kernel won't fit in partition Oct 15 08:00:22 johnx: it remains a glorified way to run multiple ISS copies on the same machine :) Oct 15 08:00:23 heh Oct 15 08:00:29 johnx: yes, I am aware :) Oct 15 08:00:37 s/ISS/IIS Oct 15 08:01:13 well, running multiple copies of ISS on the same machine would be nice too :) Oct 15 08:01:18 MohammadAG, is the bootloader telling you that about the kernel that's already in the partition? :P Oct 15 08:01:28 johnx: Virtualization does not cause you to lose your paycheck or get paid more though, so it is still not crucial enough Oct 15 08:01:38 grr, framebuffer not showing up Oct 15 08:02:08 RST38h, still I have more than a passing interest. it affects me about the same as ebooks :P Oct 15 08:03:07 johnx, if plaintext is good enough for emails, its good enough for stories! Oct 15 08:03:51 lcuk, don't have to convince me :P I've been reading txt ebooks starting on a Handspring Visor Prism starting in 2001/2002 or so Oct 15 08:04:28 I've only done that on my old Iriver H320 and its Rockbox firmware. Worked nicely, provided you had a good .txt source Oct 15 08:04:47 johnx: Institutions are dumping their whole libraries because of the switch to ebooks Oct 15 08:04:49 yeah johnx I am the same Oct 15 08:05:08 The lack of "special" characters, italics and bold is a slight problem though, for some authors Oct 15 08:05:30 johnx: So, I would say, ebooks win in terms of the scale of effects :) Oct 15 08:06:39 * johnx shrugs Oct 15 08:13:30 RobbieThe1st, if ASCII is good enough for porn, its good enough for authors :P Oct 15 08:13:55 * RST38h also feels that ASCII is sufficient Oct 15 08:14:07 Ok, make it CP1251 :) Oct 15 08:14:11 are you suggesting that people who use non-latin languages should communicate solely through porn? Oct 15 08:14:21 I mostly use my kindle as an rss reader, desktop app to email rss2ebook converted files Oct 15 08:14:22 BCMM: Deep. Oct 15 08:14:32 RST38h: LOL. Oct 15 08:15:24 BCMM, I was about to remind lcuk about non-latin characters, but I find your proposal intriguing Oct 15 08:15:48 sigh Oct 15 08:17:55 BCMM, LOL! Oct 15 08:19:29 ♥ Calibre Oct 15 08:21:56 I miss how how tmo was in December Oct 15 08:22:31 freemoe's dead :/ Oct 15 08:23:06 BCMM, RST38h - I dread to think the responces to an RFC on that proposal Oct 15 08:23:20 responses even Oct 15 08:25:58 after years of kinda holding still, how does debian still have one of the better net installers ... ? Oct 15 08:27:15 johnx: They have not been adding garbage, like the rest? =) Oct 15 08:27:38 I know the guy that did it, and he's Fucking Amazing? :p Oct 15 08:27:40 johnx, it was designed at a time when 9600 was the fastest and so was built for strength and stability, now that design makes even more sense again :P especially as mobile networks are prone to not being as reliable as our home nets? :D Oct 15 08:28:03 opensuse 11.3 (the latest) just asked me to type in the address of a mirror and the full path down to the repo content file Oct 15 08:28:24 RST38h, lcuk, you have it wrong. the other net installers do *less* AFAICT Oct 15 08:28:32 maybe I'm like doing this wrong or something ... Oct 15 08:28:56 FauxFaux, the debian net installer guy? really? Oct 15 08:29:10 >> airport Oct 15 08:29:29 lcuk appended to airport Oct 15 08:29:40 that actually makes sense if I take it literally Oct 15 08:30:29 "taking it literally" in the context of porn communication could be a bit troublesome :P Oct 15 08:32:05 >> bed Oct 15 08:36:31 johnx shifted himself by bed. Oct 15 08:36:35 hm. Oct 15 08:36:52 icuk: While ASCII's fine for text, if the writer's used to writing in RTF, or forum-code, it... doesn't always come out so good Oct 15 08:37:00 RST38h, it's valid hex :P Oct 15 08:37:17 http://digitizor.com/2010/10/14/finally-opera-will-support-extensions/ Oct 15 08:37:24 great news for mini opera too Oct 15 08:38:47 For instance, one book series had a name with an accented e in it. I could either have a blank block, where it couldn't be displayed in the current font, or a regular e. I used a regular e, but it still looked weird. Same with people who use italics or bold to denote speech/telepathy or some other form of communication Oct 15 08:41:45 * johnx was too harsh to opensuse, is totally impressed that the installer happily runs paravirtualized under xen Oct 15 08:42:48 Back to my rootfs image issue. Out of curiosity, I tried making a jffs2 image and flashing that. It didn't work either, but came up with almost the same issue, aside from that the checksum error wasn't there. Because of this - and that the PR1.2 rootfs image works - I think there's an error in my mkfs.ubifs configuration Oct 15 08:42:56 http://pastebin.org/201124 Oct 15 08:43:39 And http://pastebin.org/201149 for my ubinize.cfg Oct 15 08:48:07 MohammadAG: Do you happen to know of any other sources of N900-nand flash data? Like, any way of checking if http://pastebin.org/201124 was done with the right options? Oct 15 08:48:18 So MeeGo gets a palm guy and palm get the meego guy, interesting Oct 15 08:49:24 wait what Oct 15 08:49:26 Palm? Oct 15 08:49:30 johnx: installer does WHAT? Oct 15 08:49:38 facepalm Oct 15 08:49:49 palm devices with meego :) Oct 15 08:49:50 * RST38h fetches cross, holy water, a couple of stakes Oct 15 08:49:50 heh Oct 15 08:50:02 cant remeber the last time I saw someone using a palm.. Oct 15 08:50:32 at my work, a guy just switched from palm to samsung android something Oct 15 08:50:44 he was sad to switch away from such a polished gui Oct 15 08:50:59 or maybe it was htc rather than samsung Oct 15 08:53:58 Well, I suppose I've gotten enough progress done for one day. I have to say though, I think I'm gonna keep that framebuffer kernel. >:3 Makes it boot -so- much cooler Oct 15 08:55:24 hey guys Oct 15 08:55:29 Hello Oct 15 08:56:13 xkr47: switching from palmos -> anything is pain Oct 15 08:56:32 (but worth it) Oct 15 08:56:38 xkr47: it is always lose of functionality Oct 15 08:56:57 RST38h: give me PIM apps from palmos on android... Oct 15 09:00:44 funny this: http://twitter.com/ceoSteveJobs Oct 15 09:02:29 y'know, something I'm curious about: When you first install PR1.2, on the first boot you get a really nice screen that lets you select time. Its this nice touch-sensitive, graphical clock you can drag about. Date selection's also nice. Yet, I haven't seen -one- other interface that uses that style. Not any of the Nokia apps, and not any 3rd-party apps. Oct 15 09:04:07 that app doesn't use hlibildon for scrolling lists afaik Oct 15 09:04:13 libhildon* Oct 15 09:04:53 Huh, so what, was it a tech demo or something? Oct 15 09:08:10 RobbieThe1st, more like an app to give you better first impressions Oct 15 09:08:33 yea, makes sense i suppose Oct 15 09:10:16 maxximuscool has been posting a lot of BS recently Oct 15 09:11:08 * MohammadAG gives up on booting the MeeGo kernel with maemo 5 Oct 15 09:11:22 I wonder if it has mtd support compiled in Oct 15 09:14:30 MohammadAG: yeah, I've noticd he's been posting a lot of kid posts recently, I thought he used to be cool ... Oct 15 10:53:14 hey could someone paste me the content of the autorun.inf on the n900, had to remove mine because it was a rootkit entry Oct 15 10:55:19 merlin1991: where is that in the fs? Oct 15 10:55:48 ~/MyDocs Oct 15 10:56:01 mom Oct 15 10:56:19 uh, i don't think there is an autorun.inf... Oct 15 10:56:29 oh yes there is Oct 15 10:56:36 it defines the symbol that is used Oct 15 10:57:04 well, it's not on my phone on the sd card or in mydocs, and i don't recall deleting it Oct 15 10:57:24 [autorun] Oct 15 10:57:25 cat autorun.inf Oct 15 10:57:26 icon=.n900.ico Oct 15 10:57:26 [autorun] Oct 15 10:57:26 icon=.n900.ico Oct 15 10:57:27 but maybe i did... http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47654 Oct 15 10:57:37 google found it quickly enough Oct 15 10:57:48 merlin1991: ↑↑↑ Oct 15 10:58:03 thx jpinx-eeepc, Kaadlajk Oct 15 10:59:31 What good is wine on arm anyway? Oct 15 11:00:42 uh, i doubt it compiles on arm Oct 15 11:01:13 It does Oct 15 11:01:23 that's funny Oct 15 11:01:31 They winehq guys are apparently supoporting rm development Oct 15 11:01:36 arm development .. Oct 15 11:01:53 http://www.wine-reviews.net/wine-reviews/news/wine-running-on-a-nokia-n900.html Oct 15 11:03:56 inddedle Oct 15 11:04:26 that seems to imply they're running qemu on the device to emulate x86 Oct 15 11:06:10 wine can't emulate x86 natively, even if it could the windows programs needs to be based on arm/armel Oct 15 11:07:03 The idea is win32 ports to arm Oct 15 11:07:05 Apparently Oct 15 11:07:13 So no x86 emulation, Oct 15 11:07:21 ARM based superphone N900 running the x86 wine binary via a statically compiled arm qemu binary, within an x86 chroot. Oct 15 11:07:32 Heh, Oct 15 11:07:43 Well, somebody did bochs for the n900 which seems like crazy idea, ... Oct 15 11:07:44 That's something different to what I was looking at/reading then ;) Oct 15 11:07:49 if all of the core wine api's are ported to arm. Then you have a wine api for arm for porting apps Oct 15 11:08:02 Not such a crazy idea when the A9 takes off :D Oct 15 11:08:21 A9? Oct 15 11:08:33 ARM Cortex A9 Oct 15 11:08:40 ahh Oct 15 11:08:46 OMAP4 Oct 15 11:08:55 alterego: And, obviously, A9 will be an order of magnitude faster than A8? Oct 15 11:09:01 Well, guess I'll have to wait for next christmas before there will be an userupgradeable A9-for-N900 package, right? Oct 15 11:09:11 RST38h: dual core 1.6Ghz Oct 15 11:09:27 Potentially .. Oct 15 11:09:44 It's not as if there are endless lists of announced Maemo or Meego devices, ... Oct 15 11:09:47 Some serious welly that's for sure Oct 15 11:10:15 indeed a very warm and very battery hungry device will be on the horizon for a dualcore 1.6 using n900's puny battery Oct 15 11:10:20 yacc: I imagine Q2 2011 when MeeGo is in a fully usable state it'll gain a lot more traction from 3rd parties Oct 15 11:10:57 That is a pure estimation by me, Nokia should have released their N9-01 which will be full MeeGo hopefuly by then Oct 15 11:11:04 hatake_kakashi, well, at least the N900 seems to charge rapidely on the power outlet charger, ... Oct 15 11:11:50 alterego: Cooool. And what would be the memory connected to that? Oct 15 11:12:01 alterego, The forces of the counter revolution are fully entrenched, did you noticed that all new Nokias are despite they comment that N-series will be Maemo are still Symbian? Oct 15 11:12:06 yacc, it literally defeats its purposes that it has phone funtionality.. meaning new owners will have to run and plug their power starved n900 or fear losing portability Oct 15 11:12:30 yacc: I think that is after the N8 ;) Oct 15 11:12:38 anyone here used uae4all? Oct 15 11:12:53 hatake_kakashi, well, yes and the traditional solution to that is known, I've got it already half-implemented, ... Oct 15 11:13:20 yacc, and that's a battery back or the lesser known mugen powerpack? Oct 15 11:13:33 alterego: I think that meego may become cellphone user ready in 2012. this does not mean that nokia will not release anything before - they already said few times that Harmattan != MeeGo official release Oct 15 11:13:44 hatake_kakashi, my second BL-5J is already lying on my desk, now if Amazon manages somehow to send the stuff that they taken the money for already, I'll have an external charger that can keep the second battery all times charged. Oct 15 11:14:02 I don't understand why wouldn't nokia keep versioning simple.. all maemo/meego should have letter M... all symbian devices has S.. done Oct 15 11:14:29 hrw: that's why I said after the N9, which I presume is MeeGo/Harmattan Oct 15 11:14:30 yacc, and you'll have downtime for everytime you swap the battery Oct 15 11:14:37 hatake_kakashi, but there are different "symbian" devices. For Multimedia, Fun, Enterprise, ... Oct 15 11:15:01 I think even as MeeGo stands now, the 1.1 branch could be utilised by vendors, it just requires a lot of love. Oct 15 11:15:11 yacc, so add -M, -F -E for example.. S3-E Oct 15 11:15:11 hatake_kakashi, well, better a 60seconds downtime, than "couple of hours till I get home" downtime. Oct 15 11:15:53 hatake_kakashi, as I'm a G1 refugee, I know the drill. Oct 15 11:15:53 yacc, or there's the option of carrying a large battery pack and forget about taking it to camping, because that will need to munch on car battery Oct 15 11:16:55 hatake_kakashi, and yeah, the down time is irritating, especially the physical handling, but only till you realize that it's still a huge improvement over offline-till-office-or-home Oct 15 11:17:24 hmmm, Oct 15 11:17:25 yacc, the drill for battery swapping? meh.. BL-5J isn't even available out in the normal shops.. never ceases to amaze me why they made n900 different battery size and what not.. all is well that it leaves owners high and dry till extras is available Oct 15 11:17:59 Bl-5J is trivial to pick up, but if you want it cheap, you'll have to order it from Amazon or Ebay, ... Oct 15 11:18:01 yacc, not so when you can just buy external power packs to keep n900 juiced up Oct 15 11:18:08 hatake_kakashi: it shares the same battery as the 5800's Oct 15 11:18:17 its not so easy to buy BL-5J out where I live Oct 15 11:18:27 hatake_kakashi, as it happens I do have an USB power source powered by standard AA battery slots too, ... Oct 15 11:18:27 alterego, and the same with me brother's X6-16GB Oct 15 11:18:29 :-P Oct 15 11:19:07 yacc, well you came prepared didn't ya? :p I'm planning to go buy meself a nice power pack when I go overseas next year Oct 15 11:19:16 hatake_kakashi, the battery situation on the N900 is a big improvement over the 9500. There hasn't been any external charger for these babies, ... Oct 15 11:20:13 yacc, how is it any improvement when: 1) it loses 100+mA 2) There's no retailer that stocks them unless you go to either nokia care centre or you order them online? Oct 15 11:20:46 hatake_kakashi, well, as some people have already confirmed the pattern [female: the battery keeps an eternity, male: the battery is through in less than 12h, on the same device], I'm one of these power suckers, ... Oct 15 11:20:57 yacc, had it been the same battery as all the other NIT series I wouldn't have to wait to get BL-5J Oct 15 11:21:00 And the G1 battery pack is Oct 15 11:21:42 I'm sure I still can't readily and easily obtain BL-5J.. what joy Oct 15 11:21:50 yeah a puny joke were the words I've been looking for. Oct 15 11:22:32 hatake_kakashi, well, first generic solution is an external USB battery. Does not look cool, when you run around with a cable around, but better than a dead device, ... Oct 15 11:22:33 yacc, I don't understand what you said last about female and male pattern Oct 15 11:23:08 yacc, and at least your internet tablet/phone is still kept alive despite extra ugly wiring Oct 15 11:23:36 yacc, or swapping batteries and hope you haven't missed any important calls Oct 15 11:24:04 hatake_kakashi, well, I've observed it with the 9500 and the E61, where my wife and me had exactly the same device, ... Oct 15 11:24:26 hatake_kakashi, I've been out of power often during the day, especially if I did not charge completely during the night. Oct 15 11:24:42 hatake_kakashi, my wife could leave the phone for days in her handbag. Oct 15 11:24:51 speaking of which about power packs, that nokia's power pack is completely ludicrous.. not only was it fitted with a puny battery, it doesn't even charge my n900 Oct 15 11:25:30 yacc, I'm sure there are plenty of females who would spend their time blabbering away.. hence that's why phones makes it convenient Oct 15 11:25:32 hatake_kakashi, so battery size is always relative to the usage pattern. The N900 battery is absolutely okay for somebody that uses it as a phone and does SMS with it. Oct 15 11:26:28 yacc, remember the firmware 1.1 and prior to those where n900 had a lovely one-two days uptime? Oct 15 11:26:35 amigadave, ping? Oct 15 11:27:04 amigadave, Are you sure about the change of directory from /usr/share/pixmaps to /usr/share/icons? Oct 15 11:27:07 hatake_kakashi, OTOH, if you are online all the time (IM clients e.g.), especially via UMTS (aka your stupid premium network does not offer EDGE inside of cities), you won't last 24h. Oct 15 11:27:10 yacc, and again I must mention yet again, the due credit to the lack of availability of BL-5J.. Oct 15 11:27:24 hatake_kakashi, where are you located that it's so big an issue? Oct 15 11:27:38 I mean there are at least a dozen sellers on Amazon alone, ... Oct 15 11:28:05 yacc, not so much of just being online, a couple of widgets, a few hours of bluetooth music and sharing and occasional web browsing and I could see half the battery is drained if I'm lucky Oct 15 11:28:07 amigadave, Never mind... just rereading the spec: "Icons and themes are looked for in a set of directories. By default, apps should look in $HOME/.icons (for backwards compatibility), in $XDG_DATA_DIRS/icons and in /usr/share/pixmaps (in that order). Applications may further add their own icon directories to this list, and users may extend or change the list (in application/desktop specific ways).In each of these directories themes are st Oct 15 11:28:07 ored as subdirectories. A theme can be spread across several base directories by having subdirectories of the same name. This way users can extend and override system themes. " Oct 15 11:28:10 yacc, .au Oct 15 11:28:35 inetnum: 115.128.0.0 - 115.131.255.255 Oct 15 11:28:36 netname: H3GAIPNET Oct 15 11:28:36 descr: 3G Mobile Service Provider, Oct 15 11:28:39 yeah, I noticed :) Oct 15 11:28:41 I prefer to source spare BL-5J in proper retail stores than online Oct 15 11:28:51 yacc, mm and? Oct 15 11:29:12 btw EDGE isn't available here.. Oct 15 11:29:34 That's not true Oct 15 11:30:05 which providers have them and they retail N900 then? Oct 15 11:30:22 Is anyone aware of a psi build for the n900? Oct 15 11:30:22 I'm in Australia - there is EDGE. Oct 15 11:30:36 hatake_kakashi: dodo Oct 15 11:31:00 kakashi, 2 times 9V Blocks + USB Adapter go a long way in terms of uptime ... just my 2 cents Oct 15 11:31:00 TermanaDesire, the last I checked dodo doesn't have n900 retailed.. plus they lack retailer shopfrons Oct 15 11:31:11 s/shopfrons/shopfronts/ Oct 15 11:31:11 hatake_kakashi meant: TermanaDesire, the last I checked dodo doesn't have n900 retailed.. plus they lack retailer shopfronts Oct 15 11:31:12 hatake_kakashi, well, 3 in Austria is even funnier, they've got only an UMTS license, ... Oct 15 11:31:13 Not the best of companies but they do Oct 15 11:31:56 peb_, not that I am particularly handy with d-i-y electronics Oct 15 11:32:05 hatake_kakashi, they do commercials about the newest and best 3G network, but nobody realizes why the same mobiles batteries drain so much faster with them :-P Oct 15 11:32:20 hatake_kakashi: they list the n900 on their site under contract Oct 15 11:32:43 hatake_kakashi, well, I do not buy service and phone from the same source, best way to loose money, ... Oct 15 11:32:47 yacc, it doesn't mean anything.. most providers here use UMTS and I'm not using my n900's sim card to surf internet right now.. last but not least 3 doesn't retail n900 Oct 15 11:33:14 hatake_kakashi, why would you want to buy the N900 with a contract? Oct 15 11:33:24 yacc, again not really getting the point of not being able to source BL-5J spares Oct 15 11:33:33 hatake_kakashi, no network in Austria, AFAIK, offers the N900? Oct 15 11:33:39 TermanaDesire, and there's no shopfronts Oct 15 11:33:42 hatake_kakashi, ask for batteries for Nokia 5800? Oct 15 11:33:49 yacc, not Austria, Australia Oct 15 11:34:11 yacc, only one and they had shop front, crazy johns and they go through vodaphone Oct 15 11:34:58 yacc, tried that, no dice, not even for x6 Oct 15 11:35:46 Anyway if your looking for a battery why not just get one from eBay Oct 15 11:36:05 I said before I don't buy that sort of stuff from internet Oct 15 11:36:09 hatake_kakashi: http://dealextreme.com has bl-5j Oct 15 11:36:14 I rather buy them from shops Oct 15 11:36:30 fair enough Oct 15 11:36:50 toggles, yeah and pay for nice shipping bills to be delivered overseas + again defeats my purpose of not willing to purchase the online Oct 15 11:36:54 despite their rarity Oct 15 11:37:05 nope, no shipping, $16US Oct 15 11:37:11