**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 18 02:59:57 2010 Oct 18 04:28:44 good morning Oct 18 04:29:08 TermanaN900: did you get meego running on HTC? Oct 18 04:30:01 pupnik, On the Desire? Yes I have the Handset UX booting and working GPRS Oct 18 04:30:21 sweet Oct 18 04:30:36 weren't video drivers terribly difficult? Oct 18 04:31:33 pupnik, using software rendering at the moment. Not really slow as slow as you would expect. I have a video up to show the speed Oct 18 04:31:53 not really as slow as you* Oct 18 04:32:08 ahh ok. Oct 18 04:32:41 just wondering where one would find if gfx drivers were available Oct 18 04:35:06 Since you can't really use the Android ones, we found a development board that uses xorg and has GLESv2 drivers with the same GPU. Need to port the kernel driver for it though and then there is still no guarentee it will work. Oct 18 04:36:09 wow Oct 18 04:54:05 neat TermanaN900 Oct 18 04:59:33 Hi all Oct 18 05:00:19 hello RobbieThe1st Oct 18 05:30:56 the fuck Oct 18 05:31:06 my N900 has 0 mount point with "mount" Oct 18 05:31:11 and nothing shows in df Oct 18 05:31:18 good morning to you to MohammadAG51 Oct 18 05:31:19 :p Oct 18 05:31:40 anything interesting on tmo? Oct 18 05:31:44 No. Oct 18 05:31:45 too* Oct 18 05:31:54 and good morning,too. Oct 18 05:31:59 morning Oct 18 05:32:10 tried rebooting? Oct 18 05:32:46 yes Oct 18 05:33:35 also, the vkb doesn't close with the kb out Oct 18 05:33:54 Sounds like you'll be reflashing Oct 18 05:33:58 Oh what joy Oct 18 05:34:14 sigh Oct 18 05:34:18 i didn't do anything Oct 18 05:34:22 except make a chroot Oct 18 05:34:44 output of df Oct 18 05:34:47 Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on Oct 18 05:34:52 that's it Oct 18 05:34:56 have you exited chroot? =) Oct 18 05:35:04 duh :P Oct 18 05:35:10 rebooted Oct 18 05:35:22 better after reboot? Oct 18 05:35:29 no Oct 18 05:35:31 same Oct 18 05:35:42 noticed this cause tracker fails to start Oct 18 05:35:58 ok Oct 18 05:36:03 Check out /etc/mtab Oct 18 05:36:08 anything interesting there? Oct 18 05:36:15 Than check /etc/fstab Oct 18 05:37:15 mtab is empty Oct 18 05:37:30 bad Oct 18 05:37:50 ln -s /proc/mounts /etc/mtab Oct 18 05:37:57 i wonder why we keep using a text file Oct 18 05:38:03 instead of a virtual one Oct 18 05:40:04 oh, see what dmesg says Oct 18 05:40:23 if any partitions failed to mount, dmesg must have some messages about it Oct 18 05:49:44 fuck mtab Oct 18 06:08:14 hey before there was winamp + goom.... who remembers "acidwarp" or "cthugha"? Oct 18 06:58:34 || Oct 18 07:18:17 Time to build a bootable RootFS image. Oct 18 07:21:28 Hm... Just out of curiosity, what would be the best way of auto-killing the /usr/bin/browser instance once all browser windows have been closed? Finding the pid etc. is easy enough, but how would I check for open windows etc? Oct 18 07:22:23 RobbieThe1st: You know other apps use the browser too, right? Oct 18 07:23:17 Yea, I suppose they do, but in my case, I simply want to kill the instance with the most CPU-time. I've found that often it stays around and reduces standby battery life Oct 18 07:23:32 Yes, there's a glitch, but I'm not gonna be able to fix it Oct 18 07:35:33 wotz new? Oct 18 07:37:18 Nothing Oct 18 07:51:44 Stskeeps, are you around? Oct 18 07:51:49 working :P Oct 18 07:52:04 Fair enough; Oct 18 07:53:52 Stskeeps: I'm still working on making a bootable rootfs, and I'm pretty sure there's an error in one of those two commands on your page there. Out of curiosity, I flashed a "blank" image, with no files in it(~2mb). Same errors, different checksum. It couldn't be mounted. Oct 18 07:55:16 RobbieThe1st: pastebin exactly what you do, please Oct 18 07:57:05 Empty rootfs: http://pastebin.org/283201 Full/proper: http://pastebin.org/283206 Oct 18 07:57:33 Hello Oct 18 08:16:13 Stskeeps: Empty rootfs: http://pastebin.org/283201 Full/proper: http://pastebin.org/283206 (sorry, forgot to prepend your name last time I pasted it) Oct 18 08:16:22 someone to install Ubuntu in n900? Oct 18 08:16:35 olebrom: ls mytmpdir Oct 18 08:16:37 mcunix: Yea, I think someone's working on it Oct 18 08:16:42 err.. Oct 18 08:16:47 RobbieThe1st: ls mytmpdir Oct 18 08:17:23 RobbieThe1st i have a prblem whit the partion Oct 18 08:17:37 mytmpdir's my -empty- rootfs image test root folder. in the second example, you see that replaced by rootfs-main, which is my real rootfs folder Oct 18 08:17:45 mcunix: ? Oct 18 08:18:29 stskeeps: The first example was a test, to see how things change with no files Oct 18 08:18:40 The second link's what you want to look at, mainly Oct 18 08:18:57 RobbieThe1st: ah Oct 18 08:19:08 RobbieThe1st: ls -al rootfs-main Oct 18 08:19:18 Stskeeps: ? Oct 18 08:19:37 .. i'd just like to see that output Oct 18 08:19:49 Oh, a command. I forgot that Oct 18 08:20:20 RobbieThe1st I tried to install linux on the micro SD N900 is right there all ok but now I try to make a mount from my PC to the microSD lnux / mnt / mer but gives me problems and I do not do the post on Oct 18 08:21:02 Stskeeps: http://pastebin.org/283779 Here you go. Mind that even with no files in the rootfs, it won't mount, which is the problem I'm encountering Oct 18 08:21:44 mcunix: wait, you want to mount your SD-card partition on your linux desktop? so you can access it? Oct 18 08:22:34 RobbieThe1st: can i see your ubinize.cfg? Oct 18 08:23:16 Stskeeps: http://pastebin.org/283783 Oct 18 08:23:25 hi guys Oct 18 08:23:32 Exactly what's on your website, with the image path changed. Oct 18 08:23:40 RobbieThe1st: and how do you flash it? Oct 18 08:23:43 Hello Oct 18 08:24:09 RobbieThe1st I will seve to pass from ext2 to ext3 fs and copy into it the file Wed ....- n900-.tgz Oct 18 08:24:17 RobbieThe1st: sorry if i'm a bit slow, both working and on allergy medicine so i'm well, hrm, drugged Oct 18 08:24:23 wed = mer Oct 18 08:24:33 (as root) "flasher-3.5 -r ./rootfs.img -f" (assume path's correct) Oct 18 08:24:50 Stskeeps: It's fine. No worries Oct 18 08:25:11 mcunix: I don't understand what you mean Oct 18 08:25:44 RobbieThe1st: flasher -r ... -f -R at least Oct 18 08:26:23 Not going to matter; in the first case, it will reboot as soon as it's unplugged anyway. But, I'll try it just incase Oct 18 08:27:34 i tried this guide for install linux on n900 http://www.maemoit.org/2010/02/guida-dual-booting-fremantle-e-mer-su-nokia-n900/ Oct 18 08:28:18 RobbieThe1st but i have a problem whit the partion in microSD when i mount this on linux Oct 18 08:29:15 Stskeeps: Now, while I don't presume to know too much, the thing that strikes me most of all is an error I get upon booting: "UBIFS error (pid 1): ubifs_check_node: bad node at LEB 0:0", and "UBIFS error (pid 1): ubifs_read_node: expected node type 6". Oct 18 08:29:38 RobbieThe1st: what version of mtd-utils/ubifs do you have? Oct 18 08:30:23 Stskeeps: mkfs.ubifs is version 1.3 Oct 18 08:30:59 mtd-utils version's 20100706-1 Oct 18 08:31:03 * Stskeeps tries to find his old scripts Oct 18 08:31:05 hi, does any one tried to install maemo on HTC device ? Oct 18 08:31:42 I'm going to try reinstalling it, just in case Oct 18 08:32:22 lxsameer, cross platform #maemo development is generally considered to be continuing on #meego Oct 18 08:32:51 lcuk, thanks Oct 18 08:33:51 Stskeeps: And... That was the issue Oct 18 08:33:58 wait... Oct 18 08:34:04 RobbieThe1st: hmm? Oct 18 08:34:38 I reinstalled mtd-utils, ended up with an older version, rebuilt my rootfs, and now it boots. Oct 18 08:34:44 ah Oct 18 08:34:51 Thanks! Oct 18 08:35:50 Also, while unrelated, to the issue at hand, thanks for letting me know about /dev/ files being needed. I'd have run into that sooner or later, and having it work first try... :D Oct 18 08:37:18 Now, time to build a new BackupMenu that does things -right-. Oct 18 08:38:15 A brick? Oct 18 08:38:19 grmbl, forgot that maemo calendar didn't really support anything but local calendars Oct 18 08:40:01 "I think Microsoft named .Net so it wouldn’t show up in a Unix directory listing." Oct 18 08:41:23 :P Oct 18 08:41:25 Probably Oct 18 08:57:26 lol root was full Oct 18 09:09:17 amigadave, Ping? Oct 18 09:11:00 dneary: pong Oct 18 09:11:07 hi MohammadAG51 :) Oct 18 09:14:33 amigadave, Do you know more than me about desktop file parsing? Oct 18 09:14:57 dneary: nope Oct 18 09:15:02 In particular, I'd like to document mime type handling & the URI handler group in the desktop file Oct 18 09:15:06 And I can't find the code Oct 18 09:15:11 :( Oct 18 09:15:40 amigadave, What do you think of the beginner docs now? Too detailed? Better? I'm happy with them. Oct 18 09:16:17 Now I want to go to the next level & refer people to basic tutorials Oct 18 09:16:38 I thought there might be good places in the developer guide, but it's been hard to find good entry points Oct 18 09:16:44 dneary: yeah, they seems about the right level to me Oct 18 09:17:31 dneary: maybe http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Application_Development/Writing_a_new_maemo_application ? Oct 18 09:17:40 but that needs some tidying i would say Oct 18 09:17:42 The other major thing is I don't know if we support Name[] in desktop files Oct 18 09:17:46 It doesn't look like it Oct 18 09:18:32 amigadave, I'm thinking more along the lines of small tasks you might want to do that we collect Oct 18 09:18:46 Things like "how to call a DBus method of another application" Oct 18 09:19:03 or "How to register a DBus service & get started on demand" Oct 18 09:19:23 or "How to access the contacts database and add a new contact" Oct 18 09:19:37 i think that those require a lot of background information, and are not at all small tasks Oct 18 09:19:38 Basically, what we were calling use-cases Oct 18 09:19:47 Not all of them are Oct 18 09:20:03 But they're all the kinds of things a new developer might want/need to do Oct 18 09:24:32 amigadave, But sure, once you've got your first hello world package up & running, you've got a long way to go to have a complete Hildon application interacting with all the system services Oct 18 09:26:28 Also, it kind of bothers me that the docs always talk about "the .desktop file", as if that was what you called the file, rather than .desktop Oct 18 09:26:42 Butu now I'm just nitpicking Oct 18 09:37:57 Little dev question: I'm going to package up the new version of my shell-script application using the python packager. On install, I need to have it copy a certain file into my dir(/usr/share/backupmenu) from elsewhere. How would I do that Oct 18 09:40:25 er, nrm. I think I found it Oct 18 09:44:53 lol... I think my bank fails at math Oct 18 09:45:05 I asked for a simulation credit to buy a house Oct 18 09:45:45 "Borrowing value: 220k € -- Credit cost: 393 291.3 €" Oct 18 09:45:57 Total amount to reimburse: 728k Oct 18 09:46:48 outch Oct 18 09:47:06 220+393 Oct 18 09:47:18 + some other fees Oct 18 09:47:21 and it works out Oct 18 09:47:28 but that's expensive credit Oct 18 09:47:47 so that's 115k in other fees? Oct 18 10:02:03 Stskeeps: Quick question, what kernel module provides /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/brightness ? Oct 18 10:02:14 the lcd driver itself, in-built Oct 18 10:03:42 TY Oct 18 10:04:56 thp, ping? Oct 18 10:09:29 looking for Weekly News Oct 18 10:12:51 Ah, being able to build and flash rootfs images -really- makes my life easier Oct 18 10:13:24 No more "Oops, I made a major mistake. time to spend half an hour restoring from last backup" Oct 18 10:14:06 RobbieThe1st, how? I would die for a link :D Oct 18 10:14:35 one sec Oct 18 10:14:50 http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/making-flashable-rootfss-for-n900.html <- requires mtd-utils Oct 18 10:15:50 The only hard part is getting a copy of the rootfs files; in my case, it's not an issue as I'm working on backup software Oct 18 10:16:11 and so have my alpha version building it for me Oct 18 10:17:55 thx Oct 18 10:42:38 Hey, can anyone please open up an xterm and run "ldd /sbin/fsck" please? Oct 18 10:43:32 RobbieThe1st: http://pastie.org/1229578 Oct 18 10:43:37 TY Oct 18 10:49:55 hi - hope you don't mind me joining thid channe!. just installed xchat and testing it out Oct 18 10:50:38 Riking7 xchat on the n900? Oct 18 10:50:55 yes Oct 18 10:51:22 its made of awesome :) hope you have fun with it Oct 18 10:51:24 seems to work fine Oct 18 10:52:16 thanks. only had the phone a short while and loving it Oct 18 10:56:08 ^^ Oct 18 10:56:16 Riussi_, we don't mind at all :) Oct 18 11:03:27 timeless, thanks for your recent comments in bugs.maemo.org, they are quite helpful Oct 18 11:04:38 dinner > Oct 18 11:12:25 enjoy Oct 18 11:18:30 Testers needed for a new, safe version of BackupMenu! http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=844029#post844029 Oct 18 11:18:36 Cya tomorrow Oct 18 11:18:58 I would say "safer" until there's actual test results, though ;-) Oct 18 11:19:20 * crashanddie ensures he doesn't test that Oct 18 11:19:24 Well - the existing one was in principle dramatically unsafe. Oct 18 11:19:55 "Copying new files: Size: bytes" Oct 18 11:20:18 even though grammatically roughly coherent, that's pretty WTF. Oct 18 11:21:02 SpeedEvil: I still wouldn't go as far as claiming the new version to be safe, just somewhat safer than the unsafe one :-P Oct 18 11:22:14 but I'm a cynical bitch anyway Oct 18 11:23:34 The new one seems to use tar. Oct 18 11:24:09 So it should be lots safer. Oct 18 11:33:22 * RST38h comes back to life Oct 18 11:33:36 heh, nice article: http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/on-perceived-openness-of-maemo-part-one.html Oct 18 11:33:42 So, what's new and exciting? Has Mohammad dug himself out of trouble? Oct 18 11:33:45 alas so few results Oct 18 11:34:20 MohammadAG51 was in trouble? Oct 18 11:34:58 well he's probably permanently in trouble :-P but anything specific? Oct 18 11:35:19 He has lost all the mounts Oct 18 11:35:26 Last time I checked anyway Oct 18 11:35:38 Empty df, empty /etc/mtab, etc Oct 18 11:35:51 ohnoes he rm -rf a chroot again? Oct 18 11:36:28 MohammadAG51: aive? Oct 18 11:36:35 alive even? Oct 18 11:37:05 RST38h: on his maemo or on his c86? Oct 18 11:37:07 MohammadAG51, reply, bitch. Oct 18 11:37:09 x86 Oct 18 11:37:26 docscrutinizer: for a second I read that as "commodore 64" Oct 18 11:37:38 Oh cooool: http://bstj.bell-labs.com/oldfiles/year.1978/BSTJ.1978.5706-2.html Oct 18 11:37:46 Doc: Maemo Oct 18 11:37:52 meh Oct 18 11:37:58 ~flash Oct 18 11:37:59 hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 18 11:40:30 * DocScrutinizer goes netstating the moh51 ZNC Oct 18 11:58:53 dneary: pong Oct 18 12:19:01 hey, what wireless chipset is in the n900. Oct 18 12:19:24 sharpneli, wl1251 Oct 18 12:19:45 Sargun_Screen, wl1251 Oct 18 12:21:56 crashanddie: do you know if it can do packet injection? Oct 18 12:23:26 Sargun_Screen, the official one doesn't Oct 18 12:23:36 but there's one that was developed for the neopwn project that can Oct 18 12:23:44 though there are conflicts with the GPL, etc Oct 18 12:27:33 anyone here use the qtstackedwidget? would i be able to use it so when a user swipes from the left or right it swaps pages? **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 18 12:30:01 2010 Oct 18 12:31:10 Noobmonk3y: override the mouse event handlers and switch pages when you detect such a swipe? Oct 18 12:31:30 Sargun_Screen, PM Oct 18 12:31:31 hey thp :) - yeah i suppose thats what i want :) - today is my first day of c++ lol :P Oct 18 12:31:50 no, it's your first day of Qt Oct 18 12:31:55 Qt is far removed from C++ Oct 18 12:31:58 well at least qt creator now works, and i can get it working on my deviec! - finally an easier solution ! hehe Oct 18 12:32:06 lol crash fair point Oct 18 13:14:19 who is Roger Sperberg? Oct 18 13:14:40 is this a quizz? Oct 18 13:14:52 no Oct 18 13:15:18 planet.maemo.org got flooded with his posts and most of them looks like sponsored speak Oct 18 13:16:55 I see Oct 18 13:17:30 hrw, RogerS from ITt Oct 18 13:18:30 I think it's more likely he had something funky happen with his blog .. Oct 18 13:19:00 didn't he throw a fit at some point or was that some other guy? Oct 18 13:22:41 Who is RogerS and why should anyone care about his fits? Oct 18 13:27:08 when was 1.3 leaked... Oct 18 13:28:07 hm? Oct 18 13:28:07 :P Oct 18 13:28:32 Mohammad: Figured out the problem with df/etc Oct 18 13:41:07 ~pr1.3 Oct 18 13:41:08 STILL a ban'able subject, more than ever Oct 18 13:41:18 pr1.3 is out ? Oct 18 13:41:39 MEGA out Oct 18 13:41:44 PR1.3 funny Oct 18 13:41:46 lol Oct 18 13:42:44 http://hunajatehdas.net/nokia/firmware/en/model:N900 Oct 18 13:42:51 PR1.3 developers version Oct 18 13:42:53 time line is toooo funny Oct 18 13:43:53 no point of trying with PR1.3Dv Oct 18 13:43:54 DocScrutinizer, seems that it was leaked or somesuch Oct 18 13:43:58 try Meego Oct 18 13:44:34 I really want 1.3 more than meego Oct 18 13:44:56 can my N900 cook food when i update to PR 1.3 ? Oct 18 13:44:59 hey mohammad Oct 18 13:45:48 thats a point to think reaper Oct 18 13:46:11 xDaReaperx: depends on how much you overclock it Oct 18 13:46:31 i don't OC Oct 18 13:46:37 it's bad Oct 18 13:46:53 kerio was kidding!! Oct 18 13:47:04 !!!!!!!! Oct 18 13:47:10 reaper dont be innocent Oct 18 13:47:17 :P Oct 18 13:47:22 lol Oct 18 13:47:30 i really didin't OC my N900 till now Oct 18 13:47:50 its not gonna harm upto 900Mhz Oct 18 13:47:57 it is Oct 18 13:48:01 cool N900 @ 900Mhz Oct 18 13:48:02 it will Oct 18 13:48:02 601 will harm Oct 18 13:48:46 depends on the surrounding condition Oct 18 13:48:57 i live in a hot country not good to OC Oct 18 13:49:03 i mean Hot climate xD Oct 18 13:49:06 rokr1: no it doesn't Oct 18 13:49:17 ELECTROMIGRATION MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT Oct 18 13:49:18 thanks kerio Oct 18 13:49:25 wow Oct 18 13:50:14 FOR TRAINING PURPOSES YOUR MESSAGES WILL BE SAVED IN LOG - Mr.Kerio Oct 18 13:50:59 so any news on NeoPwn v2 Oct 18 13:51:02 ?? Oct 18 13:51:09 anyways any of you guys have scratches on your N900 screen ? even light ones ? Oct 18 13:51:22 yes i do Oct 18 13:51:27 i have many on my keyboard Oct 18 13:51:33 ow Oct 18 13:51:39 none on my keyboard yet Oct 18 13:51:53 maybe you press the buttons with your sharp nails Oct 18 13:51:55 6 different keys already Oct 18 13:52:02 yea, probably Oct 18 13:52:06 you could get a replacement for the keypad Oct 18 13:52:12 yea, i know Oct 18 13:52:21 its like 17 euro's, not expensive at all Oct 18 13:52:25 lol Oct 18 13:52:42 but it will be if i need to buy one every month :P Oct 18 13:52:56 thats good Oct 18 13:53:01 probably you could just trim your nails , thats not expensive Oct 18 13:53:05 that would cause inflation Oct 18 13:53:11 meh Oct 18 13:53:11 hehe, i do that already Oct 18 13:54:21 when fully charged wats the Amp u guys get ? Oct 18 13:54:39 i am asking for battery Oct 18 13:55:06 i doubt my battery Oct 18 13:55:15 i would like to compare Oct 18 13:55:18 wai ? Oct 18 13:55:27 how long do these batteries last ? Oct 18 13:55:34 i get 1221 Oct 18 13:55:40 93% Oct 18 13:55:48 ow Oct 18 13:55:55 i think i get 95-97 i think... Oct 18 13:56:02 if i charge wit laptop i get less Oct 18 13:56:12 i asked abt N900 Oct 18 13:56:21 dont show off Oct 18 13:56:24 bme reports shitty percentages Oct 18 13:56:32 i'm not showing off Oct 18 13:56:37 i was talking about the N900 myself Oct 18 13:56:39 ignore them Oct 18 13:56:39 94 is fine Oct 18 13:56:45 ok Oct 18 13:57:12 Stskeeps, do you know what alsa switches i need to flip to route sound to earphone? Oct 18 13:57:24 i'm assuming it should be the same with M5 Oct 18 13:58:31 Scalable UIs in QML can be a bit fiddl .. Oct 18 14:02:00 waiting for N9 Oct 18 14:02:39 pr1.3 works on N8, N9, N900, and n3310, as well as all iphones. Oct 18 14:02:57 any proof ?? Oct 18 14:03:03 back Oct 18 14:09:43 * infobot takes out a cattle prod and gives rokr1 a good jolt, courtesy of rokr1 Oct 18 14:10:11 lol Oct 18 14:10:25 * DocScrutinizer51 is pondering an autokicker with trigger regex 'pr*1*3' Oct 18 14:12:34 ~pr1.3 Oct 18 14:12:35 STILL a ban'able subject, more than ever Oct 18 14:12:44 lol Oct 18 14:12:50 pr1.2 Oct 18 14:15:47 so, any news about PR1.*bzzzt*AAARGH Oct 18 14:17:15 it was eaten by the monster Oct 18 14:18:23 s/the monster/a grue/ Oct 18 14:23:47 grues don't go *bzzzt* Oct 18 14:23:48 goto http://tinyurl.com/348ajfj for teh win. DO IT! Oct 18 14:24:09 nice Oct 18 14:25:02 mgedmin: hehe Oct 18 14:35:46 hahaha, i'm running the sdk with the UI on the N900 Oct 18 14:35:59 pics or it didnt happen Oct 18 14:36:10 yo dawg, we heard you liked window managers so we put a hildon-desktop in your hildon-desktop Oct 18 14:37:23 just wait a bit, N900 being raped Oct 18 14:40:18 MohammadAG51: so you could swap while you swap? Oct 18 14:45:20 kerio, just create a swap file in a tmpfs, which is backed by the swap partition Oct 18 14:46:25 mgedmin: brilliant Oct 18 14:46:33 compressed swapfile in tmpfs Oct 18 14:46:39 UNLIMITED MEMORY Oct 18 14:47:27 kerio, err, sure :P Oct 18 14:57:31 Hi all ! Oct 18 15:01:17 I wonder if Ofono is being ported to android/ubuntu yet. Oct 18 15:02:20 dmj726_n900: ofono is in debian so I guess it's in ubuntu too Oct 18 15:03:10 that means other os than maemo and meego should be able to call soon too, right? Oct 18 15:03:37 I heard rumours that android can make phone calls already Oct 18 15:03:39 or are there other driver issues? Oct 18 15:03:48 cool Oct 18 15:03:52 mgedmin: without audio Oct 18 15:04:05 lol :) Oct 18 15:04:12 who needs audio? ;) Oct 18 15:04:40 and sms but without text :) Oct 18 15:05:30 MMS, only of black? Oct 18 15:05:44 you mean it's just the video? :P Oct 18 15:06:01 And video, but only one still frame of RMS. Oct 18 15:06:02 LOL crashed my unclue's iphone Oct 18 15:06:19 "unclue" is a nice typo Oct 18 15:06:42 freud Oct 18 15:06:48 lol didn't notice that xD Oct 18 15:06:49 who with a clue would have one? Oct 18 15:08:36 Iphone - for some users - 'just works'. Oct 18 15:08:41 meh, only 2.5G in subway Oct 18 15:10:16 hmm Oct 18 15:10:22 can't play music while installing Oct 18 15:10:43 ohnoes Oct 18 15:11:50 on the iphone btw Oct 18 15:12:11 hmm, UI is lagging, that's a first... Oct 18 15:25:48 where do I find the codecs for the video formats not supported in my N900..? Oct 18 15:26:21 only .avi & i think mp4 are supported now. Oct 18 15:26:37 I have som videos of format mpg Oct 18 15:26:38 avi is just a container Oct 18 15:26:46 it's not a codec Oct 18 15:26:54 ok. Oct 18 15:26:59 but you can find some extra codecs in extras Oct 18 15:27:08 there is some codec pack in there Oct 18 15:27:13 Surfa, That's a bit pedantic :) Although of course quite true Oct 18 15:27:15 App-Manger? Oct 18 15:27:20 http://maemo.org/packages/view/decoders-support/ Oct 18 15:28:25 dneary, yes, but i still find it necessary to tell it as avi may practically be anything :) Oct 18 15:29:02 lcuk probably gave you direct link, thanks :) Oct 18 15:29:17 but yes, with app manager you'll install them Oct 18 15:29:23 thanks guys. Oct 18 15:29:42 is there a rot13 video encoder ? Oct 18 15:29:47 perhaps I could do a dpkg -i? Oct 18 15:29:51 and what fourcc would it get? Oct 18 15:29:59 njain, apt-get install decoders-support Oct 18 15:30:01 njain, you would need .deb package Oct 18 15:30:02 meh Oct 18 15:30:19 but theoretically it would work too :) Oct 18 15:35:44 * GAN900 chuckles at Calling All Innovators. Oct 18 15:41:02 hi folks, just a curious question: iTunes is for Apple, what's "THE" phone manager for the N900 (on Linux)? I need to get away from my manual approach of managing the phone ... Oct 18 15:41:41 I don't think there's anything sane Oct 18 15:41:53 what do you mean by “managing the phone”? Oct 18 15:42:49 Corsac, I mean automatic updates of podcasts (to the phone), sync of email/contact data ... Oct 18 15:43:34 rsync? Oct 18 15:43:36 :) Oct 18 15:44:14 How do you manage podcast subscriptions with rsync, alterego? Oct 18 15:44:49 I thought you just said sync Oct 18 15:44:57 does anyone of you know about CastGater? Has anyone run that on the N900? Oct 18 15:45:08 Anyhow, I woudlnt know, I don't really use any podcasts Oct 18 15:45:20 I like how they screwed up the Fremantle Stars, too. Oct 18 15:45:40 alterego, sync due to the fact that my main puter is a Debian box. But N900 is, too -- so either sync the DebianMainbox or get the stuff directly to the N900 Oct 18 15:53:30 hi,got a n900 from a russian friend,and changed its keypad to qwerty. now, if i factory reset it, 1)it welcomes me with russian,and default keyboard layout is russian. i want to get rid of that Oct 18 15:53:44 cool! Oct 18 15:54:07 hi,got a n900 from a russian friend,and changed its keypad to qwerty. now, if i factory reset it, 1)it welcomes me with russian,and default keyboard layout is russian. i want to get rid of that* Oct 18 15:54:09 ops Oct 18 15:54:12 if i flash it with, latest global firmware, does it make everything english by default ? Oct 18 15:54:41 I got the vdeos working. Oct 18 15:54:47 except for 2. Oct 18 15:55:12 power: Global firmware will ask at first boot what language/region/keyboard to use if you flash both root and eMMC. But you'll lose all the data on the phone, so make a backup rist. Oct 18 15:55:22 s/rist/first/ Oct 18 15:55:23 dsg meant: power: Global firmware will ask at first boot what language/region/keyboard to use if you flash both root and eMMC. But you'll lose all the data on the phone, so make a backup first. Oct 18 15:55:53 yeah,but in what language it will ask ? Oct 18 15:56:01 Ah. In English. Oct 18 15:56:06 this one is also asks,but in russian Oct 18 15:56:20 ok thats OK for me than Oct 18 15:56:36 thanks Oct 18 15:56:55 mine asks in Dutch Oct 18 15:57:04 hello all Oct 18 15:57:12 I believe the country code is stored somewhere (the CAL partition?) Oct 18 15:57:17 i got a problem in openvpn Oct 18 15:57:32 N900 cannot get a local ip address Oct 18 15:57:55 is there any special configuration files Oct 18 15:57:56 ? Oct 18 15:58:10 Surfa: hey! the videos i have with .avi format don't play, sorry I gave the wrong inputs initially! Oct 18 15:59:35 mgedmin: Ah, that could be. Oct 18 15:59:50 osso-product-info should display it Oct 18 16:00:11 ?? Oct 18 16:00:27 hm, not really Oct 18 16:00:38 "OSSO_PRODUCT_WLAN_CHANNEL='fcc/us'" Oct 18 16:00:39 the only mention of Dutch there is in OSSO_PRODUCT_KEYBOARD Oct 18 16:00:45 Interesting, mine has wrong values stored there Oct 18 16:00:49 wlan channel is "us" here too Oct 18 16:01:02 so in that case, flashing global image wont make any changes right * Oct 18 16:01:26 * mgedmin doesn't know Oct 18 16:01:32 than ill try Oct 18 16:01:38 you can always change the language in the settings Oct 18 16:02:02 anyone with successful openvpn connection over ethernet bridge Oct 18 16:02:03 ? Oct 18 16:03:10 rokr1: Plenty, but you haven't given any info on your problem so noone wants to answer such open-ended questions. Oct 18 16:03:29 Logs, for example, would help. Oct 18 16:03:58 i am not able to get the local ip Oct 18 16:04:15 simple configuration i run tomato VPN firmware Oct 18 16:04:26 i made it work in windows box Oct 18 16:04:54 UDPv4 link local (bound): [undef} Oct 18 16:05:00 UDPv4 link local (bound): [undef] Oct 18 16:05:11 its not able to get local IP address Oct 18 16:05:25 OSSO_PRODUCT_REGION='Germany' Oct 18 16:06:44 What is CAL? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465 Oct 18 16:07:09 rokr1: Try adding "log /tmp/openvpn.log" to your config and see if it gets you any closer to the real cause of your problem Oct 18 16:07:36 If you post that log (make sure to sanitize any user/password info), someone may be able to help you. Oct 18 16:08:07 ok Oct 18 16:10:57 mgedmin~ dsg still in russian :\ Oct 18 16:15:38 mgedmin~ what is CAL partition Oct 18 16:15:52 What is CAL? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465 Oct 18 16:17:27 yeah, i see OSSO_PRODUCT_KEYBOARD="Russian/Latin" Oct 18 16:19:02 can anyone share me above line, (with US keyboard) Oct 18 16:19:29 * Noobmonk3y burps Oct 18 16:19:41 guys, my laptop is on wifi and has bluetooth. can i get internet on N900 by tethering to laptop via bluetooth? Oct 18 16:19:56 trumee, yes :) Oct 18 16:20:01 the wifi signal is too weak for the N900 so i want to tether it to the laptop Oct 18 16:20:01 i think via bluetooth dun Oct 18 16:20:13 phoenix anybody? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=17665 Oct 18 16:20:30 http://myn900.wordpress.com/2010/02/04/tethered-n900-to-ubuntu-9-10-via-bluetooth/ Oct 18 16:20:47 trumee, there is a bluetooth dun app - not tried it - but tis possible Oct 18 16:21:04 Noobmonk3y: this, http://wiki.maemo.org/Debian-Tethering ? Oct 18 16:22:07 trumee: kinda but that seems rather specific - doesnt look like it is using the bluetooth dun app though Oct 18 16:22:33 trumee: what OS have you got on the lappy? Oct 18 16:22:40 opensuse 11.3 Oct 18 16:23:10 trumee: this may help? http://www.kriyayoga.com/love_blog/post.php/1203 Oct 18 16:23:41 although i'm sure there is an easier way Oct 18 16:24:11 that page is doing the opposite. i dont have 3g. Oct 18 16:24:32 my laptop is connected to the wifi. i want N900 to access internet thru the laptop. Oct 18 16:24:45 i dont want to use N900s modem. Oct 18 16:24:45 ohhhhhhhh Oct 18 16:24:52 lols, doesnt the nokia suite allow that? Oct 18 16:25:01 internet connection sharing etc? Oct 18 16:25:13 actually that probably goes the other way too Oct 18 16:25:13 no nokia suite on linux afaik! Oct 18 16:25:44 i have usb networking working. but i wanted something mobile hence bluetooth Oct 18 16:26:32 hmmm i know nothing about suse, but with windows you can do the reverse by turning your laptop into a mobile hotspot (like joikuspot does on the n900) - instead of bluetooth, you would then just be extending the wireless from your lappy? Oct 18 16:26:55 like this ? - http://www.connectify.me/ Oct 18 16:27:19 Noobmonk3y: hmm. cant setup an adhoc network, because i am accessing internet on the laptop using wifi Oct 18 16:27:21 * lcuk spills a drink on Noobmonk3y Oct 18 16:28:03 * Noobmonk3y giggles Oct 18 16:28:05 lo lcucky Oct 18 16:28:10 lcuky even Oct 18 16:28:13 lucucky lcuky Oct 18 16:28:17 :p Oct 18 16:29:22 * DocScrutinizer moos @ lcuk Oct 18 16:29:52 * Noobmonk3y bleats @ llcuk Oct 18 16:29:57 this, http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Connect_to_the_Internet_using_Bluetooth_via_a_Linux_PC&oldid=2609 ? Oct 18 16:31:22 here u go dsg http://pastebin.ca/1965915 Oct 18 16:34:15 back Oct 18 16:34:21 PR1.3? Oct 18 16:35:00 RST38h, sadly, yes Oct 18 16:35:09 I'm looking at the image contents right now Oct 18 16:35:12 "Flexible, implantable LEDs look set to start a new body modification craze" <--- yes, please, we need more light-up people Oct 18 16:35:22 http://pastebin.com/xv9aP06F <-- btw, on device sdk script if anyone gives a crap Oct 18 16:35:41 Mohammad: And, let me guess, the only available translation is Arameic? :) Oct 18 16:35:41 just make an ext2 image on MyDocs Oct 18 16:36:09 all locales seem to be in it Oct 18 16:36:09 but Oct 18 16:36:19 Qt 4.7 is in the image, in /opt (WTF?) Oct 18 16:36:40 * RST38h starts believing that MohammadAG is serious about PR1.3 Oct 18 16:36:41 this is not an eMMC image Oct 18 16:36:45 any one who can help me ?? Oct 18 16:37:01 rokr1: Since you are still here, no. Oct 18 16:37:03 RST38h, RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Oct 18 16:37:07 But what is your problem, anyway? Oct 18 16:37:16 Mohammad: =E~~~ Oct 18 16:37:40 hey, the evopedia guide says to unzip the files onto the n9000 Oct 18 16:37:40 RST38h, you thought I was jk? lol Oct 18 16:37:55 but the wiki dump isn't zip files Oct 18 16:38:04 it is .idx and .dat files....... Oct 18 16:38:12 what's the deal Oct 18 16:38:12 Mohammad:I do not see any excited chatter on tmothough. One would think the lemmings would be bricking their devices in scores now Oct 18 16:38:12 RST38h, there's also a fail Qt 4.7 plugin for N900 sensors, apparently, instead of using mce and the proper closed source components, it polls /sys Oct 18 16:38:28 Qt people are funny Oct 18 16:38:48 RST38h, there was enough chatter to make me find it Oct 18 16:38:58 plus a certain person on this channel Oct 18 16:39:05 ah Oct 18 16:39:18 RST38h, finding it is tricky, guessing the password of the RAR isn't Oct 18 16:39:48 Well, it probably means the official release is not that far away Oct 18 16:39:51 any of you use evopedia? Oct 18 16:40:11 kernel is 1.7MBs, not sure if it's the same number of bytes Oct 18 16:40:11 Unless they bungle it again Oct 18 16:40:14 MetroMap is a nice app. but the map it has for the city I live in is old as available on pmetro.su/Maps.html... How do I update this to the current map? Oct 18 16:42:31 Mohammad: Any visible fixes? Oct 18 16:42:55 * RST38h is stupid and cannot guess the password :) Oct 18 16:42:58 RST38h, haven't flashed it, yet Oct 18 16:43:08 RST38h, you found the file? Oct 18 16:43:17 Google did Oct 18 16:47:56 it's passworded though and google translate isn't just that good sometimes :) Oct 18 16:48:49 use your head, you only need to know how people usually pass rar files ;) Oct 18 16:49:12 Yea, Chinese are no different from other people in this aspect Oct 18 16:51:14 DocScrutinizer, got a minute? Oct 18 16:51:19 or 10 Oct 18 16:51:25 someone's asking why dd damages mtds, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975&page=2 Oct 18 16:51:46 meh, later Oct 18 16:55:34 so what do we have by way of mesh networking? Oct 18 16:56:08 http://www.mediafire.com/?3cr25hiw0kbffzu Oct 18 16:57:07 no idea if that is PR 1.3 Oct 18 16:57:18 Heya lardman Oct 18 16:57:21 trumee, it's illegal to share links Oct 18 16:57:25 hi RST38h Oct 18 16:57:28 MohammadAG: ok. my bad Oct 18 16:57:43 MohammadAG: In what country is that? Oct 18 16:57:44 trumee, your bad got logged too Oct 18 16:57:54 No idea, that's not the one I used Oct 18 16:58:02 I can see it being a channel rule, but if links are illegal, you live in a fascist dictatorship. :) Oct 18 16:58:17 MohammadAG: i simply google with the string and that came up Oct 18 16:58:27 It's also got "2009" in. Oct 18 16:58:32 trumee: you've not even tried it yourself? Oct 18 16:58:34 shame on you Oct 18 16:58:38 :) Oct 18 16:58:42 dsg: Not illegal bu discouraged Oct 18 16:58:47 tsktsk Oct 18 16:58:58 what is wrong with you people!? Oct 18 16:59:15 #maemo is the official channel Oct 18 16:59:20 * RST38h does not know where to start with the answer Oct 18 16:59:21 RST38h: Yeah, suspected that was the meaning :) Oct 18 16:59:27 in other news: http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/5093423467/ artichokes. Oct 18 16:59:28 anyhow. so nobody knows whether N900 can use PCs internet via bluetooth? Oct 18 16:59:33 Once again, there is no such thing as "official" IRC channel Oct 18 16:59:54 3. LIMITATIONS ON END-USER RIGHTS. Oct 18 16:59:56 You may not copy, distribute, or make derivative works of the Software Oct 18 16:59:56 except as follows: Oct 18 16:59:58 It is like a "website founder" which usually means a 15 year old with warts and an ego Oct 18 17:00:45 (e) Unless stated otherwise in the Documentation, You shall not display, Oct 18 17:00:47 modify, reproduce, or distribute any of the Stock Files included with the Oct 18 17:00:47 Software Oct 18 17:00:55 people should really start reading licenses Oct 18 17:01:21 MohammadAG: Link to software != software (not that I'm saying it should be allowed to post links here, but the use of "illegal" is clearly wrong in this case) Oct 18 17:01:46 that statement doesn't work in court you know Oct 18 17:01:53 * RST38h checks N95 photo quality, out of morbid curiosity Oct 18 17:01:55 MohammadAG: Maybe not in israel :) Oct 18 17:02:04 meh Oct 18 17:02:06 Again, countries laws differ greatly Oct 18 17:02:25 He is kinda correct: a URL does not necessarily equal software distribution Oct 18 17:02:42 And if he found a file on the Net, he is not bound by the license terms Oct 18 17:03:06 Yes. It's a violation of copyright law to use the image though. Oct 18 17:03:20 But at least where I live, even downloading it would not be illegal Oct 18 17:03:30 But, of course, you can interpret it differently depending on how much hourly rate you charge for legal advice :) Oct 18 17:03:57 can we move on? Oct 18 17:04:09 Yes, but do provide a topic Oct 18 17:04:11 just DON'T DISTRIBUTE THE LINK AGAIN. thx Oct 18 17:04:13 sure, why are the Qt plugins retarded Oct 18 17:04:26 Myrtti, the channel is logged, so... yeah Oct 18 17:04:35 Well, it is not the only retarded part of qt Oct 18 17:04:44 Still better than alternatives, I am afraid Oct 18 17:04:50 MohammadAG: nobody else needs to repeat the error ;-) Oct 18 17:05:46 RST38h, mind posting the md5sum of /usr/sbin/bme_RX-51? Oct 18 17:06:29 amoment Oct 18 17:06:52 why am I asking, I haven't flashed it lol Oct 18 17:06:55 c2eb6586292b9afa407c307ebc4894e7 /usr/sbin/bme_RX-51 Oct 18 17:07:05 That is of course PR1.2 Oct 18 17:07:08 c2eb6586292b9afa407c307ebc4894e7 usr/sbin/bme_RX-51 Oct 18 17:07:13 exact copy in PR1.3, sigh Oct 18 17:07:36 at least mce was changed Oct 18 17:07:50 LOLWTF PatternUserManual=9;1;0;1;0;0;0;0;0 Oct 18 17:07:54 Myrtti, those artichokes look quite nice, I would trim the bad leaves off though before cooking them Oct 18 17:08:13 pr1.3 out? Oct 18 17:08:25 Stskeeps, no, leak, as always Oct 18 17:08:48 as I noticed in the latest version of modest's git, they changed patterns in mce.ini Oct 18 17:08:51 PatternCommunicationEmail=30;1;0;b;9d80400002ff03ff02ff03ff71080000;9d800000 Oct 18 17:08:51 lcuk: didn't buy any, didn't have a recipe yet Oct 18 17:09:01 MohammadAG: and it's not all over tmo? Oct 18 17:09:02 :P Oct 18 17:09:07 MohammadAG: Would you be willing to post a diff -ur of pr1.2 and the leaked rootfs (if you already have them handy)? Oct 18 17:09:22 lcuk: we looked around Tesco, Morrison etc in UK and saw none - you can imagine my surprise when I see them in my suburb shop Oct 18 17:09:26 Stskeeps, no, finding it wasn't easy Oct 18 17:09:32 lcuk: What's this with artichokes and you were asking about red vs white vino yesterday! ;) Oct 18 17:09:37 dsg, diff of binaries? Oct 18 17:09:52 MohammadAG: Diff will just tell you which files have changed if they're bins. Oct 18 17:10:33 MohammadAG: i just await seeing if modest is worse. Oct 18 17:10:41 isn't there a bindiff? Oct 18 17:10:48 Stskeeps, use my SSU then Oct 18 17:10:52 modest is faster Oct 18 17:10:54 much faster Oct 18 17:11:29 MohammadAG: i used your modest standalone at some point.. horrible experience Oct 18 17:11:40 Stskeeps, heh, why? Oct 18 17:11:52 MohammadAG: ~6 minute waits and stalls Oct 18 17:12:14 Stskeeps, weird, hawaii_ reported it was faster, and it is faster for me Oct 18 17:12:18 at least with Nokia Messaging Oct 18 17:12:28 well, i don't use NM Oct 18 17:12:45 Naaah, I do not think that version of Modest is good to use Oct 18 17:12:48 i don't trust NM for my company mail Oct 18 17:12:48 :P Oct 18 17:12:51 Stskeeps, I think hawaii_ uses the normal slow crap Oct 18 17:12:59 Felt royally screwed up + cut&paste still not working Oct 18 17:13:06 Stskeeps, company mail = nokia? lol Oct 18 17:13:17 MohammadAG: no Oct 18 17:13:31 but i don't like leaving my credentials in the hands of others anyway Oct 18 17:13:56 * MohammadAG guesses Stskeeps's password, meego123? Oct 18 17:14:04 MeeGo's root pass was easy to guess :P Oct 18 17:14:29 MohammadAG: i used to use 'rootme' on maemo for a long time, and then suddenly meego 0.0 with 'moblin' instead.. and then back to 'meego' Oct 18 17:14:32 bloody confusing Oct 18 17:14:52 ~pr1.3 Oct 18 17:14:53 STILL a ban'able subject, more than ever Oct 18 17:15:45 DocScrutinizer51: any idea if opensuse can act as bluetooth server to give internet to N900? Oct 18 17:16:03 sorry, nope Oct 18 17:16:44 looks like i need to stick to usb networking :( Oct 18 17:17:01 BT PAN Oct 18 17:18:06 DocScrutinizer51: with BT PAN, laptop which fetches internet via wifi can provide internet to N900? Oct 18 17:18:12 Finally: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/10/10x1018oub234tewfdballmer.jpg Oct 18 17:19:04 trumee: PAN is a network, so I'd guess you can do all you're used to do with any other network Oct 18 17:19:24 wether it's wifi, usb, or BT Oct 18 17:27:54 when playing http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/isslivestream.asx , hitting f turns the window green. clues? or how to play video streams using the standard player? Oct 18 17:28:35 * SpeedEvil checjs, Oct 18 17:30:05 same here Oct 18 17:31:40 * MohammadAG has to say Oct 18 17:31:51 PR1.3 is awesome, just like PR1.2, in fact, it's the same Oct 18 17:32:02 /kick MohammadAG Oct 18 17:33:32 * RST38h reminds everyone that the main purpose of the "channel rules" is to let people with ops kick and ban people without ops Oct 18 17:33:45 i wish my wifi would work though Oct 18 17:33:49 bluetooth seems to be broken aswell Oct 18 17:33:55 and it won't go to my 3g either Oct 18 17:34:12 1. Is the device turned on? Oct 18 17:34:25 2. Is it set to General profile? Oct 18 17:34:25 kernel says timeout waiting for hardware to initialize Oct 18 17:34:46 general profile is for silent/nonsilent, you must mean online right? Oct 18 17:34:48 anyway Oct 18 17:35:02 i tried checking the checksums of the wl12xx kernel module and the two firmware files, they match Oct 18 17:35:46 yea Oct 18 17:36:07 i think its hardware issue Oct 18 17:36:12 its also begun to sometimes not find the sim Oct 18 17:36:14 damn annoying Oct 18 17:36:20 and its weird, i haven't dropped the phone even once Oct 18 17:36:51 wl1251: ERROR timeout waiting for the hardware to complete Oct 18 17:36:51 initialization Oct 18 17:36:55 that's the error Oct 18 17:37:34 the one thing i find curious though, once when it started doing this, a few restarts made it go online ONCE again Oct 18 17:38:08 OC'd device? Any time in the past or present? Oct 18 17:38:12 nope Oct 18 17:38:21 hw defect Oct 18 17:38:21 i have no idea how to do that even Oct 18 17:38:37 redeeman: ok. tried reflashing? Oct 18 17:38:46 RST38h: no, because i don't see how that can possibly help Oct 18 17:38:56 might Oct 18 17:39:02 you never know Oct 18 17:39:02 for what reason? Oct 18 17:39:10 redeeman: it is possible that some setting is screwed up, but as you do not know which one it is easier to reflash Oct 18 17:39:19 RST38h: nono, this happens at kernel level Oct 18 17:39:23 the kernel doesn't read "some setting" Oct 18 17:39:27 there could be a flopped bit anywhere Oct 18 17:39:30 kernel also has settings, no? Oct 18 17:39:40 well the module is okay Oct 18 17:39:43 so its quite unlikely Oct 18 17:40:00 when playing http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/isslivestream.asx , hitting f turns the window green. clues? or how to play video streams using the standard player? Oct 18 17:40:03 at least dump your /etc and compare it with the "good" /etc Oct 18 17:40:04 wohooops Oct 18 17:40:06 can i flash the kernel only? Oct 18 17:40:11 fail up-and-enter Oct 18 17:40:46 yawn Oct 18 17:41:00 redeeman: a buggy or bitrotten kernel driver might overwrite parts of other code/data in kernel Oct 18 17:41:36 hmm i suppose i could check all the modules as a start, but is there a way to overwrite the kernel image only with that flashing tool? Oct 18 17:41:55 do check your etc first Oct 18 17:42:09 reflash Oct 18 17:42:18 it is kinda less likely that your kernel got corrupted, especially in such a specific way Oct 18 17:42:32 the only sane way. make a *complete* backup - for forensics - then reflash Oct 18 17:42:44 RST38h: if you mean my /etc, how can that in any way be responsible for a kernel thing? Oct 18 17:42:56 anothher thing i've noticed is Oct 18 17:42:57 which is weird Oct 18 17:43:00 kernel image corrupt will say 'checksum failed, halted' Oct 18 17:43:01 when the device turns on Oct 18 17:43:12 To somewhere you can't see, and halt. Oct 18 17:43:13 that sliding thing with the dot things Oct 18 17:43:15 goes all crazy Oct 18 17:43:25 okay so its not the kernel image Oct 18 17:43:32 as i did not expect it to be Oct 18 17:44:19 it can be arbitrary pkg using arbitrary connection related resource in a 'new' way Oct 18 17:44:39 hmm Oct 18 17:44:48 i seem to recall it happening shortly after a nokia update Oct 18 17:44:57 honestly, back up / and /home completely, then reflash and see if it's gone Oct 18 17:45:55 it doesn't find my bluetooth adapter it seems, but that may be because its not enabled in the gui, which i cant seem to do Oct 18 17:46:28 I'd think you can't enable it because it's not found Oct 18 17:46:49 perhaps, but it may also be that it pokes some hw to appear in the gui Oct 18 17:46:53 i don't know though Oct 18 17:48:35 hi. I cant switch off my n900 it says device is being used via usb -- but it is not used. the cable is not plugged in any more. previously it was plugged into an ac charger not a pc. Oct 18 17:49:05 weird Oct 18 17:49:25 scratchbox is pretty big and wants to be in / right? Oct 18 17:49:27 worst-case, you can hold down the power button for over 10seconds Oct 18 17:49:32 this will 'hard; reset it Oct 18 17:49:41 Goliath23: yes, indeed Oct 18 17:49:49 Goliath23, you can install it somewhere else afaik Oct 18 17:50:21 that's not exactly easy though Oct 18 17:50:47 a few clicks fixed it Oct 18 17:51:11 * DocScrutinizer blinks Oct 18 17:51:36 no it just locked the screen Oct 18 17:51:41 :/ Oct 18 17:51:59 DocScrutinizer, I think you can specify location in the script Oct 18 17:52:07 not sure though, can't remember Oct 18 17:52:21 umm, sure you can edit the scripts Oct 18 17:52:21 DocScrutinizer: and you need a debian system to upload packages to extras-devel, right? Oct 18 17:52:23 -s PATH Install from .tar.gz to path (to e.g. /scratchbox). Oct 18 17:52:42 you can specify a path as a parameter Oct 18 17:52:43 Goliath23: no. Oct 18 17:53:03 -s PATH Specify Scratchbox installation path (default /scratchbox). for the second script Oct 18 17:53:07 Goliath23, ^ Oct 18 17:53:26 Goliath23: I installed friggin sb to last 5GB free / space of my Suse based system Oct 18 17:53:42 my / only has 1.8gb left Oct 18 17:53:58 not enough Oct 18 17:54:02 its a laptop Oct 18 17:54:12 sigh Oct 18 17:54:23 yeah, it's utterly insane Oct 18 17:54:25 laptop here :P Oct 18 17:54:32 its a PITA to create an uploadable package vom qtcreator to extras-devel Oct 18 17:54:39 * MohammadAG had scratchbox on his / which was 20GBs Oct 18 17:54:42 on my old lappy Oct 18 17:54:48 it's more complicated that the programming! Oct 18 17:55:21 LOL I need to clean shit up Oct 18 17:55:23 22G /scratchbox/ Oct 18 17:55:36 /dev/sda5 119362224 97923444 15375452 87% / Oct 18 17:55:50 how familiar... Oct 18 17:56:18 Goliath: why use qtcreator at all? Makefiles work just as well. Oct 18 17:57:25 DocScrutinizer, #21# works Oct 18 17:57:43 err WUT? Oct 18 17:57:49 #5 lives? Oct 18 17:57:55 new phone UI Oct 18 17:58:15 RST38h: uhm qtcreator is more than .pro instead of makefiles :) Oct 18 17:58:31 DocScrutinizer, isn't the syntax for diverting *21*number#? Oct 18 17:58:36 if so, they broke it! Oct 18 17:59:04 RST38h: code completion, integrated reference, nice editor, refactoring features, etc Oct 18 17:59:06 * DocScrutinizer sighs Oct 18 17:59:15 QT! ;) Oct 18 17:59:37 DocScrutinizer, nvm, it actually detects if you're directing to your own number and says "Value not expected" Oct 18 17:59:44 redirecting to another number works fine Oct 18 18:00:26 http://www.mobilemania.de/facts+infos/gsmcodes.php#Rufumleitung Oct 18 18:00:41 Goliath23, you can upload with maemo extras assistant Oct 18 18:00:56 and you didn't need a debian system to create debian package Oct 18 18:01:16 Khertan: okay. I _think_ I already hgave the package structure ready Oct 18 18:01:41 I sent an upload request (anyone here that can speed that up?) ;) Oct 18 18:01:42 depends on what you use, but personnaly i'm a python dev and i create my package directly on n900 with pypackager or setuptools Oct 18 18:02:03 http://buliscores.garage.maemo.org/screenshot02_png/screenshot02.png.html Oct 18 18:02:04 (pypackager works only for python apps) Oct 18 18:02:06 this is the app Oct 18 18:02:09 Goliath23, nope sorry Oct 18 18:02:12 DocScrutinizer, nice, google translate thinks that page is chinese Oct 18 18:03:11 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=756257 Oct 18 18:03:14 Khertan: I created it by hand following the " Oct 18 18:03:18 http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging_a_Qt_application tutorial Oct 18 18:05:45 DocScrutinizer, ssc=1 in default call-ui.ini now Oct 18 18:05:50 I guess the bug was fixed Oct 18 18:06:06 no it is not *now*! :-P Oct 18 18:06:25 true, but it was fixed :D Oct 18 18:06:31 * DocScrutinizer prepares the kick cmd Oct 18 18:06:45 DocScrutinizer, now now, this can't do any harm Oct 18 18:07:06 DocScrutinizer, when I manually installed PR1.2 packages on PR1.1.1, I found a lot of bugs Oct 18 18:07:17 but I stfu'd about them, since it wasn't an official method Oct 18 18:07:22 the final PR1.2 had those exact bugs Oct 18 18:08:56 do you think going public about it here will yield any better results - besides pourring oil into "it's LEAKED!" madness? Oct 18 18:09:05 ...fire Oct 18 18:09:52 DocScrutinizer, I can't see any other place really Oct 18 18:10:04 devel ML? Oct 18 18:10:45 you know damn good Nokia isn't really following IRC Oct 18 18:12:03 DocScrutinizer, Nokia isn't following anywhere Oct 18 18:12:09 my email is fully of WONFIXES Oct 18 18:12:15 WONTFIXes even Oct 18 18:12:28 I guess odds are they are following on devel ML if anywhere Oct 18 18:13:06 meh, I doubt they're following anything Oct 18 18:13:30 also, usual disclaimer, you got nfc if any leaked version has anything in common with the final one Oct 18 18:13:55 It is not like anyone expects any crucial bugs to be fixed in pr1.3 Oct 18 18:13:58 DocScrutinizer, and I agree with you on that, the image is compiled in September Oct 18 18:14:27 kernel was compiled on my bday lol Oct 18 18:14:34 Fri Aug 6 Oct 18 18:14:34 MohammadAG: so, given this standard disclaimer and you notion Nokia doesn't follow anyway, please don't push the FUD and hype and madness Oct 18 18:15:31 it's worth nothing Oct 18 18:15:50 and you probably remember why we got... Oct 18 18:15:53 ~pr1.3 Oct 18 18:15:54 STILL a ban'able subject, more than ever Oct 18 18:16:16 which is based on a former version of ~pr.1.2 Oct 18 18:16:34 have it your way Oct 18 18:16:49 but what about ~pr.1.4? Oct 18 18:17:06 maybeHere, gline-able subject Oct 18 18:17:20 ~pr.1.4 Oct 18 18:17:38 ~pr1.4 Oct 18 18:17:38 PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject Oct 18 18:17:46 ~pr1.5 Oct 18 18:17:55 CHEESECAKE Oct 18 18:18:10 Myrtti: with coffee? :-) Oct 18 18:18:10 ~cheesecake Oct 18 18:18:10 extra, extra, read all about it, cheesecake is statistically the most popular dessert ordered in restaurants, or goozbach fuel Oct 18 18:18:24 nomnom Oct 18 18:18:32 DocScrutinizer: too late for me to have coffee Oct 18 18:19:22 there's no pr1.4, and you all know it. Oct 18 18:19:25 btw, morning all. Oct 18 18:19:54 javispedro: people said there was no pr1.3~ Oct 18 18:20:06 Myrtti: it's never too late for coffee. Too early, maybe, but never too late. Oct 18 18:20:22 mourning javispedro Oct 18 18:20:36 pr1.4 mourning ... no, wait... Oct 18 18:21:16 was pr1.3 released? :o Oct 18 18:21:22 i should *really* get my usb port fixed Oct 18 18:21:42 btw, anyone has definite docs and/or benchmarks about thumb on N900? My fingering is hovering over "//#define USE_THUMB 1" at this moment Oct 18 18:21:43 achipa: at nine o'clock it definitely is too late Oct 18 18:21:48 *finger Oct 18 18:22:12 javispedro: won't work, will crash your problem likely Oct 18 18:22:49 dpkg crashes on Ubuntu 10.04 with a kernel with thumb support Oct 18 18:22:53 so yeah.. what Stskeeps said Oct 18 18:23:11 the issue is that it does work, possibly because this is a JIT and might use a reduced set of instructions Oct 18 18:24:00 Myrtti: wah, only if you plan to sleep, which is known to be lame, even if sometimes biologically necessary Oct 18 18:24:04 javispedro: Thumb generally does not help Oct 18 18:24:33 javispedro: My experience shows that thumb is mainly useful when the code resides in very slow memory with 16bit interface Oct 18 18:25:12 javispedro: On N900, you will not see much improvement in most situations. Oct 18 18:25:34 Or if you can fit a thumb algo into l1 cache Oct 18 18:25:46 But you may see lower performance due to the compiler being constrained for registers and not able to use conditional execution Oct 18 18:25:47 for completeness, the "app" is dosbox's JIT Oct 18 18:25:52 hm, but doesn't it also use less space on disk ? (total thumb n00b here) Oct 18 18:26:03 which so far I've been shipping with the thumb jit, even on N900 Oct 18 18:26:15 that will depend on the quality of dosbox JIT compiler when generating arm vs thumb code Oct 18 18:26:32 RST38h: and that's what I worry about. non-thumb is not the default one => less tested => worse code Oct 18 18:26:56 javis: compile and benchmark both Oct 18 18:27:01 so unless there's end-of-the-world problems with thumb on n900... Oct 18 18:27:10 no problems at all Oct 18 18:28:19 well, ta all. Oct 18 18:29:56 RST38h: ~pr1.5 is well known Oct 18 18:31:08 RST38h, are you talking about thumb or thumbee? Oct 18 18:31:22 iirc thumbee is broken on N900's CPU, or atleast on earliest N900 Oct 18 18:32:04 ah. Oct 18 18:32:07 that is interesting. Oct 18 18:32:11 <45PABA6YA> hi all Oct 18 18:32:35 so it is Thumb2 the broken one? Oct 18 18:32:40 <45PABA6YA> just a question : is it imaginable to have a release of maemo on N9 ? Oct 18 18:32:44 yeah Oct 18 18:32:51 45PABA6YA, no Oct 18 18:32:57 where's /proc/cpuinfo from? does kernel read out actual chip revision or other hw info source for this? Oct 18 18:33:10 Well, it'll be MeeGp-Harmattan probably, which is a kinda of Maemo/MeeGo hybrid.. Oct 18 18:33:16 DocScrutinizer, no Oct 18 18:33:29 iirc it's fed by the bootloader.. Oct 18 18:33:35 arm doesn't have CPUID Oct 18 18:33:35 blargh Oct 18 18:33:42 k, thanks :-) Oct 18 18:34:08 i could be wrong Oct 18 18:34:09 Features : swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp thumbee neon vfpv3 Oct 18 18:34:34 on my 'older' device Oct 18 18:34:38 I wouldn't trust that much Oct 18 18:34:45 ShadowJK : even if meego 's too late regarding the hardware ? Oct 18 18:35:00 though I'd need to check ser# to decide which one was manufactured earlier Oct 18 18:35:35 TNZ, you know nokia is going to have their own binary blobs and stuff ontop of whatever MeeGo is, so the state of mainline MeeGo probably doesn't matter that much Oct 18 18:35:37 both are Revision : 2101 though Oct 18 18:36:03 * ShadowJK runs off to work Oct 18 18:36:08 check imei number Oct 18 18:36:10 ShadowJK: cya and thanks Oct 18 18:36:25 * DocScrutinizer waves at ShadowJK Oct 18 18:36:34 oka thanks Oct 18 18:43:03 internet is full of instructions for ubuntu and redhat. maybe i should ditch opensuse Oct 18 18:44:01 maybe you should just use maemo for everything :)) Oct 18 18:46:25 shouldnt the solution be to use sth that doesnt need a whoe interweb of instructions to be useful? Oct 18 18:46:32 *whole Oct 18 18:57:11 will this be in PR1.3 or PR 1.4, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10294 Oct 18 18:57:13 Bug 10294: Email desktop widget does not display mails from Nokia Messaging accounts Oct 18 18:57:55 "Tested this scenario with internal software version that will become the next public update" Oct 18 18:58:16 Unknown until you get week number of assumed PR1.3 Oct 18 18:58:34 but I'd guess so. Oct 18 18:58:39 trumee: I refered to PR1.3 Oct 18 18:58:46 as PR1.3 is not out. Hence: next update. Oct 18 19:00:15 andre__: cool Oct 18 19:00:30 :) Oct 18 19:00:49 andre__: email headers will not be displayed. is tha NM specific? Oct 18 19:00:52 *that Oct 18 19:00:55 trumee: iirc I installed on OpenSuse following mainly this http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/SDK but also a vanished that http://en.opensuse.org/Maemo5 Oct 18 19:01:10 trumee, I myself don't know. So far I guessed so. Oct 18 19:01:38 trumee, yes, Quim already confirmed NM will not have email headers in Fremantle Oct 18 19:01:57 on PR1.2, email headers work properly for non-NM accounts Oct 18 19:02:33 MohammadAG: non-NM accounts are not useful to me since i have NM for push mail. Oct 18 19:02:44 meh Oct 18 19:03:09 trumee, fixed in Harmattan? :P Oct 18 19:03:17 there's no such thing like true pushmail Oct 18 19:03:24 DocScrutinizer: i was referring to bluetooth pan instructions not SDK intsructions :) Oct 18 19:03:46 DocScrutinizer: how does NM work by the way. Does N900 poll every few seconds? Oct 18 19:03:52 DocScrutinizer, try Nokia Messaging with gmail Oct 18 19:03:54 DocScrutinizer: imap notify should help ghough Oct 18 19:03:54 it's epic Oct 18 19:04:15 I got an email notification as soon as andre__ replied on that ticket Oct 18 19:04:18 wtf? why should I do that? Oct 18 19:04:23 MohammadAG: yes, same here Oct 18 19:04:44 MohammadAG: any idea how NM works? Oct 18 19:05:02 on the N900? not the same as on symbian Oct 18 19:05:21 MohammadAG: and what's the _definitely-it-must-exist-because-this-is-Maemo_ downside? ;) Oct 18 19:05:42 see, usually 3G is behind a NAT. So all servers to receive any 'push' need to send keep alive packets frequently. Why would I want N900 do this, when I can poll pop3 every arbitrary period, config'able in modest Oct 18 19:05:46 2.5h hour battery? Slower modest? It crunches your mail for dinner? It emails nasty things to girlfriends? Oct 18 19:05:57 i am looking for a way to stop all network activity accept listening to streaming radio over 2g connection. NM and auto-update kill my little 2g connection and i get buffering in the radio player Oct 18 19:06:28 MohammadAG: yes on N900 Oct 18 19:06:39 true pushmail would need support from GSM carrier Oct 18 19:06:47 BB-style. Oct 18 19:06:55 is there a way to disable NM on 2g connection? Oct 18 19:07:42 DocScrutinizer, well not necessarily but I guess popular service would have enough traffic that it would get noticed Oct 18 19:08:15 err sorry? Oct 18 19:08:39 tbh Oct 18 19:08:45 I think NM on the N900 polls Oct 18 19:08:58 It has no other way to work Oct 18 19:09:09 see my post 2 above Oct 18 19:09:15 IMAP IDLE and keep a TCP connection open? Oct 18 19:09:34 keep open = keep-alive = send packets Oct 18 19:09:42 the user wasn't going to do anything productive either way with the battery life =) Oct 18 19:09:53 so NM is not really a real push mail service. Oct 18 19:10:06 it is, but not on Maemo Oct 18 19:10:07 DocScrutinizer: keep alive != polling, though Oct 18 19:10:19 on 3G it sucks anyways Oct 18 19:10:21 there is no real pushmail service on GSM devices, without support from varrier Oct 18 19:10:23 on Wifi, it's instant Oct 18 19:10:23 carrier Oct 18 19:10:25 DocScrutinizer, most carriers just send SMSs to each other and assume traffic is equally split in both ways and don't charge each other anything, so if you don't need MT direction billing you can just keep on sending SMSs to any carrier that your carrier has peering agreement with Oct 18 19:10:31 it's still better than 1-sec polling if you want sub-sec mail notificatios Oct 18 19:10:50 ... but nobody wants those, eh? :P Oct 18 19:10:50 DocScrutinizer, I don't see a reason it shouldn't work on wifi then? Oct 18 19:11:04 MohammadAG: so NM doesnt eat a lot of bandwidth when polling? Oct 18 19:11:16 jarkkom: and how is that related to pushmail? Oct 18 19:11:21 MohammadAG: i need to find out what kils my internet radio stream when on 2g. Oct 18 19:11:38 except for the obvious point you could send a SMS to make the MT poll Oct 18 19:11:39 trumee: pigeons between you and the cell tower? Oct 18 19:12:13 javispedro: lol Oct 18 19:12:15 plus Nokia is no carrier afaik Oct 18 19:12:44 DocScrutinizer, many push mail services are SMS based, they poll your mailbox and send WAP PDU SMS to notify phone Oct 18 19:13:23 jarkkom: exactly. I don't see Nokia doing this, free of charge for user Oct 18 19:14:08 is the hardware manufacturer really relevant here? Oct 18 19:14:14 well, I dunno - maybe they do. TBH I don't care Oct 18 19:15:52 my carrier supplied pop3 account has SMS notification (plain text) on new mails. I never felt it was worth anything except the geekness factor Oct 18 19:16:31 in fact lately it started to annoy me Oct 18 19:17:57 anyway everybody using NM to 'minimize GSM data traffic' is free to fire up a tcpdump/wireshark and check if it's delivering or if it's a big hoax Oct 18 19:19:14 javispedro: In the config file rx51_defconfig, CONFIG_ARM_THUMB is not set (kernel_2.6.28-20101501+0m5). So not only thumb2 is disabled for the default kernel. Oct 18 19:19:38 trumee: (kills stream) gsm BTS roaming (aka tower handover)? Oct 18 19:22:06 maybe the pr1.3 kernel has the thumb patch included Oct 18 19:22:42 doubtful Oct 18 19:22:43 trumee: or maybe mere variations of available bandwith (it's BTS specific and somewhat shared between all phones booked in and will drop when two are using it concurrently) Oct 18 19:23:14 tobis87: you do not really need kernel support for thumb Oct 18 19:23:22 same for jazelle. dunno for thumb2/ee Oct 18 19:24:16 tobis87: kernel will most likely be what's to be found upstream, so expect no bleeding edge new things emerging with PR1.3, in kernel. All that'll be in there is upstream since long Oct 18 19:25:07 tobis87: the issue is that the a8 seems to have many errata, making (seemingly) thumb2 unusable. Oct 18 19:25:39 can I just rant a little bit about something not really maemo related? Oct 18 19:25:57 why the fuck doesn't openssh-client replace an offending key Oct 18 19:26:00 * MohammadAG is done Oct 18 19:26:08 MohammadAG: fork it! Oct 18 19:26:27 insecure-but-i-dont-care-ssh-client Oct 18 19:26:30 ; Oct 18 19:26:49 hm... P key in this keyboard starting to be flaky... too many printfs... Oct 18 19:28:09 "President Obama to Appear on Mythbusters" Slashdot tag? "jumpedtheshark". clearly! Oct 18 19:28:56 http://pastebin.com/FLCVKqfb : "flushes the branch target cache at every context switch", wouldn't this decrease the speed in general? And the binutils also have a bug regarding thumb, I read somewhere. Oct 18 19:29:44 a workaround, not a bug Oct 18 19:29:58 the bug is on the hardware, the workaround on the linker Oct 18 19:36:11 ufff Oct 18 19:36:12 done Oct 18 19:42:26 DocScrutinizer: my internet radio (using mediabox) goes into buffering mode. i have a feeling that auto-update and NM kick in and start consuming bandwidth, thereby reducing the bandwidth available to the internet radio Oct 18 19:42:52 tcpdump does not care about your puny feelings! Oct 18 19:43:12 SpeedEvil: maybe i ought to do a dump. Oct 18 19:43:21 I did one of those today. Oct 18 19:43:27 I was about 0.8Kg lighter. Oct 18 19:43:28 SpeedEvil: on 2g? Oct 18 19:43:39 SpeedEvil: uggh! Oct 18 19:43:53 I tend to just use podcasts. Oct 18 19:44:12 Well - when I say podcasts, I mean teh excellent get_iplayer to rip BBC streams. Oct 18 19:44:26 SpeedEvil: podcasts not a substitute for my internet radio stream Oct 18 19:44:55 you could also just use a shortwave receiver. Oct 18 19:44:56 Fair enough - I personally don't care about a day late on stuff. Oct 18 19:45:10 I listen to yesterdays news regularly. Oct 18 19:45:43 hey! :) Oct 18 19:45:44 If it's important, I'll see birds falling out of the sky, and the sound of a mighty horn. Oct 18 19:45:49 Or someone will mention it on IRC. Oct 18 19:45:49 the radio stream i listen to is a ogg stream between 16 to 22kbps. Is that ok on 2g? Oct 18 19:46:12 SpeedEvil: such a nice and balanced news source! =) Oct 18 19:46:12 It should generally be. Oct 18 19:46:28 javispedro: I have before now learned of world events on 4chan. Oct 18 19:46:34 does 2.5g has enough bandwidth to cope with 22kbps radio stream> Oct 18 19:46:40 *? Oct 18 19:46:41 I think it was the death of an author. Oct 18 19:46:54 trumee: 2G will do ~60kbps Oct 18 19:47:08 anyone here able to give me some advise on QT layouts please? Oct 18 19:47:09 SpeedEvil: ah. cool. Oct 18 19:47:15 trumee: I would run it, then ps/top/... when it's actually stalling Oct 18 19:47:24 see if it is in fact auto-update or mail kicking in. Oct 18 19:47:51 SpeedEvil: i gues i should be looking for modest and what app is for auto-update? Oct 18 19:48:11 apt-worker Oct 18 19:48:26 issue is that most often i am driving when listening to the radio stream. so cant operate n900. Oct 18 19:48:54 feels awesome to listen to internet stream in the car. Oct 18 19:48:54 trumee: Well - turn it on now. Oct 18 20:03:17 i have a problem... i have a successful connection but the DHCP is not working for my N900 for openvpn Oct 18 20:03:33 i have to do ifconfig tap0 up and then ifconfig tap0 192.168.x.x 255.255.255.0 Oct 18 20:03:45 then i can connect... Oct 18 20:03:59 is there any automated script to resolve the issue on server's end ?? Oct 18 20:08:40 how can I see which firmware my n900 currently has? Oct 18 20:09:39 Settings - about product Oct 18 20:09:54 I think Oct 18 20:12:11 hmm, I think I already have the latest Oct 18 20:12:28 * dreamer still looking for some power-saving tips Oct 18 20:12:41 maemo5 pr1.2 is version 10.2010.19-1 Oct 18 20:12:49 and yeah, it's listed in the about product page Oct 18 20:12:55 got the auto-disconnect for wifi and the quick backlight app Oct 18 20:12:59 the .00x as i recall is localised versions of it Oct 18 20:13:33 but only ~8-9 hours with moderate usage is not a lot Oct 18 20:13:44 ok, I have pr1.2 then Oct 18 20:13:57 That's about what i get on mine... Oct 18 20:14:20 20 min of emai/writing in the moring an -20% bat :( Oct 18 20:14:45 1 hour with 5 mins in a shell and it dropped 10% Oct 18 20:15:13 what extent has the microSD Nokia N900? Oct 18 20:15:32 I'm thinking of getting a 2nd battery to keep with me for emergencies Oct 18 20:16:20 Yeah, a second battery should be good :P i'm thinking of getting one once i close my longs Oct 18 20:17:05 close your longs? Oct 18 20:17:22 * MohammadAG has 3, muhahaha Oct 18 20:17:44 Long position on the futures market :) Oct 18 20:18:34 You must like the extra weight in ur pocket mate Oct 18 20:19:36 MohammadAG: 3 extra batteries? o.O Oct 18 20:19:40 finally got my N900 today! Trying to work out how to get Conversations/Telepathy to throb the LED when there are unread messages. Rather to my surprise, that doesn't appear to happen by default. Oct 18 20:19:48 Alright, so I partitioned my internal memory and now have an extra 3 ext4 partitions. Ubuntu doesn't see them :( Oct 18 20:20:20 hmm, does the n900 have some sort of cmos-battery? that when you take out the main battery the time doesn't reset? :P Oct 18 20:20:33 I have a problem..my n900 not detect microSD Oct 18 20:20:59 dreamer, aiming for 4 Oct 18 20:21:02 oh, and something weird happened this morning: I transfered some files (video/audio) and the device first couldn't see them. the media-players still can't but I can play with mplayer from the commandline Oct 18 20:21:11 what is the recommended irc client? Oct 18 20:21:28 GTG bye Oct 18 20:21:32 oh, and one player could see them for a bit, then couldn't see the files, but still play the old playlist with them Oct 18 20:21:33 Orospakr, settings notification lights. Pick your stuff :P Oct 18 20:21:35 chx: irssi Oct 18 20:21:35 I like xchat chx Oct 18 20:21:36 I prefer xchat, others like irssi Oct 18 20:21:44 haha Oct 18 20:21:48 Some use pidgin Oct 18 20:21:52 i wantd to ask wherther xchat or irssi Oct 18 20:21:55 thanks :P Oct 18 20:21:59 I us conversations :) Oct 18 20:22:15 Try one. The worst that can happen is that you hate it so much you go on a killing spree. Oct 18 20:22:21 pidgin? Oct 18 20:22:28 isnt a multi IM client like... built in? Oct 18 20:22:33 SpeedEvil: haha Oct 18 20:22:37 imo it's recommended to run the irc client elsewhere and just run ssh :p Oct 18 20:22:38 It doesn't do IRC well. Oct 18 20:23:07 i mean, do i need pidgin ? Oct 18 20:23:10 At least you see more than with pidgin... Oct 18 20:23:10 for other IM Oct 18 20:23:26 Nope Oct 18 20:23:40 VladNistor-mob, heh, excellent. thanks. Oct 18 20:24:55 Chx, it's nice that you have a few to pick from. I like te integration with contacts for Conversations Oct 18 20:26:10 how do i know whether i have PR1.2? I have 10.2010.19-1.002 , there are no updates available -- but the screen does not rotate automaticlaly Oct 18 20:26:44 it doesn't rotate for everything :) Oct 18 20:27:06 chx, that is PR 1.2 Oct 18 20:27:07 :( Oct 18 20:28:02 Mohammad has a few apps working with rotation, like the settings and email Oct 18 20:28:18 gpodder rotates :) Oct 18 20:29:06 and Conboy Oct 18 20:29:54 healthcheck will as soon as i figure out layouts in qt lol Oct 18 20:30:19 oh, and the phone rotates :)) Oct 18 20:30:39 that's nice Noobmonk3y Oct 18 20:30:42 VladNistor: supposedly fennec does portrait with pr1.2, but it doesn't do here either Oct 18 20:30:47 FF4 does though :) Oct 18 20:30:56 hehe :P Oct 18 20:31:17 dreamer, yeah, you can turn it on in the browser too, fennec also methinks Oct 18 20:31:28 ok, can't find it in the setting Oct 18 20:31:43 FF4 is pretty sweet btw, but is a bit slow and I bet it eats memory/cpu Oct 18 20:31:48 (aka: power ;) ) Oct 18 20:32:21 so like the main screen does not rotate? Oct 18 20:32:34 dreamer, there was some key shortcut, cant' remember it Oct 18 20:32:35 some things are bit annoying to do in Qt without writing your own layout manager, or at least I haven't figured out clean way to do things like having something that is 4x1 grid in landscape and 2x2 in portrait mode Oct 18 20:32:58 meegotouch way is probably better and there was some example code for proxy layouts for qt in noka wiki Oct 18 20:33:03 the desktop does not. there were some "hacks" to do it methinks Oct 18 20:33:39 but i've gotten used to landscape, can't think of using a phone any other way now :P Oct 18 20:33:51 ctrl-shift-r is the shortcut Oct 18 20:34:32 too bad it doesn't stick because some apps like email work just fine with that Oct 18 20:34:44 dreamer, there is an option: options->settings and Enable rotation :)) Oct 18 20:37:15 VladNistor: ah, indeed Oct 18 20:37:26 VladNistor: hmmm, let's see if the pdf-reader can as well .. Oct 18 20:38:12 hmmm, it doesn,t .. that's really too bad :( Oct 18 20:39:03 it can with that keyboard shortcut Oct 18 20:39:05 I would hate if the pdf reader rotated :)) Oct 18 20:39:30 or maybe not? let's try it Oct 18 20:40:07 jarkkom: doesn't work .. Oct 18 20:40:12 kind of a weird shortcut anyway .. Oct 18 20:40:51 works right now on my N900, hit it only once and then close keyboard as it won't go into portrait mode with keyboard out Oct 18 20:40:53 dreamer, it does work, you need to be full-screen Oct 18 20:41:43 Noobmonk3y, it might seem funny but Oct 18 20:41:54 VladNistor: ctrl+shift+r ? Oct 18 20:41:54 don't ignore symbian examples Oct 18 20:41:57 he died Oct 18 20:42:06 dreamer, yes Oct 18 20:42:08 but i can't seem to switch pages in portrait Oct 18 20:42:13 dreamer, yes Oct 18 20:42:19 it's almost impossible to press, but it doesn't work here .. Oct 18 20:42:37 maybe you pressed it twice :)) Oct 18 20:43:00 nope, not working :P Oct 18 20:43:34 ok, i can go left with the pages but not right :) Oct 18 20:43:43 freaky Oct 18 20:43:47 ah, have to close the lid Oct 18 20:44:01 there you go :P Oct 18 20:44:25 but, then I don't have the buttons to scroll/prev-next page Oct 18 20:44:48 it's the right and left part of the screen, they show up when you first go full-screen Oct 18 20:45:03 but on mine the right one doesn't work at all Oct 18 20:45:06 VladNistor: I mean the keyboard Oct 18 20:45:18 is anyone else seeing this? Oct 18 20:45:19 VladNistor: with the arrows you can go to prev/next page Oct 18 20:45:25 VladNistor: yes Oct 18 20:45:37 oh wait, what? Oct 18 20:45:45 yes, but not in full screen, for mine it only goes left, never to the right Oct 18 20:45:56 while in portrait Oct 18 20:46:17 VladNistor: here neither Oct 18 20:46:42 'tis weird this Oct 18 20:46:51 the pdf-reader could use some improvements Oct 18 20:47:21 like the fennec circles for zooming and sideways swiping for changing pages Oct 18 20:47:27 that would be nice Oct 18 20:47:53 * VladNistor agrees Oct 18 20:48:42 * VladNistor finds himself circling in pdf and wonders why it doesn't work Oct 18 20:50:11 * wmarone wishes he had the urge to rewrite mediabox in c++ Oct 18 20:51:18 mediabox is interesting, i was trying it out yesterday. the interface is not consistent though, sometimes you use the top to go back, sometimes the arrow :) Oct 18 20:51:46 yeah Oct 18 20:52:04 but it actually sorts things properly when you're using asian characters Oct 18 20:52:18 timsamoff is a liar. Oct 18 20:52:30 that I have not tried (the asian charecters) Oct 18 20:52:46 but if you throw a large playlist at it, it'll peg the cpu doing who knows what on song changes Oct 18 20:52:55 and the memory usage is crazy Oct 18 20:53:20 yup, that's why I decided to keep with the default for now, still looking for alternatives Oct 18 20:53:35 but once rewritten it could be awesome :P Oct 18 20:53:44 the original decided to stop listing any songs at all fo rme Oct 18 20:54:07 and it won't until I reboot it, which is more than a little annoying Oct 18 20:54:40 * wmarone wonders why modest is using 50% of the cpu when it doesn't bother to actually download messages every 5 minutes like it used to Oct 18 20:54:40 i would kick it if I were you Oct 18 20:55:17 I should see if there's a profiling tool for python, and run MediaBox through it Oct 18 20:55:31 i use mohammad's repackaged one and the cpu hogging is lower now, much more responsive. there are a few bugs though Oct 18 20:55:44 I should grab that Oct 18 20:55:59 breaking MfE is no longer of concern to me Oct 18 20:56:48 you just need to set sending messages to text mode and it will send attachments too, otherwise it's just empty emails, lol Oct 18 20:57:35 GAN900: which TMO thread did you read? :) Oct 18 20:59:08 javispedro, the one where he says the chair doesn't get special info. Oct 18 21:03:46 err, what's the syntax for the "else" aka catch-all case in a c switch(){...}? Oct 18 21:04:16 default: Oct 18 21:04:36 switch( test ) { case N: ;; break; default: ;; } Oct 18 21:04:43 and it works in C++ too ;-) Oct 18 21:05:06 GAN900: but I would wish he was right. That's one thing I wanted to avoid on my term... Oct 18 21:05:15 *i'd Oct 18 21:09:44 seriously, are TV networks on other countries also so incompetent when it comes to DVB-T's EPG? Oct 18 21:09:58 it's a damn XML file. How can it be so hard to NOT mess it up. Oct 18 21:10:45 thanks for default :-) was puzzled with "*" and else: Oct 18 21:12:21 btw s/;; break;/; break;;/ Oct 18 21:12:40 too much bash. Oct 18 21:13:05 yeah, even a single ; is more than enough Oct 18 21:13:07 :-P Oct 18 21:17:17 oisblAcHs5Y.BvVsyD.virtual Oct 18 21:17:48 i agree Oct 18 21:18:10 I can recover a damaged microSD? Oct 18 21:18:37 that all depends: how damaged is it, are you willing to spend money?if so how much? Oct 18 21:21:23 pronto: not what I was wondering if you could do it and I thought it was a pc formatting problem .. that only tells me that the cell is damaged, so I wonder if Oct 18 21:21:27 Ascolta Oct 18 21:22:38 urgh, the wonders of pyqt docs Oct 18 21:22:46 and add to that the wonders of dbus docs Oct 18 21:22:48 mcunix: basically not. If it's actually got media errors, and not just filesystem problems. Oct 18 21:23:55 SpeedEvil: ok, then is better buy a new microSD:-( Oct 18 21:24:20 mcunix: have you tried reformatting it? Oct 18 21:25:59 SpeedEvil: more and more but i don't know..i tried fat and ntfs but anything..what you think?I need to try another type of extension? Oct 18 21:27:28 The search facility of the Application Manager in Maemo 5 appears to only search descriptions, not package names. Oct 18 21:27:31 that's a bit of a problem. Oct 18 21:28:17 ah well. sshed in and ran apt-get manually. :) Oct 18 21:29:44 Hello all Oct 18 21:30:51 I'd like some help. My N900 stopped booting, I tried flashing it and most times it stops at "Programming CMT...", then some random percentage, then it fails. Sometime the flashing works. But it doesn't pass that first white Nokia Logo screen, it never gets anywhere. Is there a way for me to backup MyDocs before I flash with eMMC? Oct 18 21:34:31 Khertan, hey, aren't you at honey moon? Oct 18 21:34:38 hey SpeedEvil, I'm sure you can answer that :P I've tried the wiki first, of course Oct 18 21:37:13 damnit Oct 18 21:37:36 * wmarone doesn't enjoy 30s waits between songs Oct 18 21:37:51 ptl: what did it do when booting Oct 18 21:40:13 SpeedEvil: it hangs at the Nokia white logo screen for almost one minute, then it turns off for a few minutes, then it turns on again, then it hangs at the Nokia white logo again. Oct 18 21:40:46 I'd like at least some way to access the contents of my eMMC before I try erasing it. :( Oct 18 21:41:23 even though I don't think it's the eMMC that's preventing the N900 from booting, because the reboot loop when it happens is quite different from that. Oct 18 21:43:47 * lardman cries Oct 18 21:44:40 * derf moos. Oct 18 21:44:46 ptl, does it mount when you connect it to the pc whil off? Oct 18 21:45:08 ptl: yeah - as I understadn it if EMMC dies totally, you get a partially up desktop Oct 18 21:45:08 you could use http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd to access your eMMC Oct 18 21:45:12 there may eb otehr ways Oct 18 21:45:24 hey derf Oct 18 21:45:40 Hiya lardman. Oct 18 21:45:43 Still keeping busy? Oct 18 21:45:55 yeah day job is very busy Oct 18 21:46:02 Same here. Oct 18 21:46:13 new job still going well? Oct 18 21:46:18 not so new now I guess :) Oct 18 21:47:03 javispedro: could you check h-e-n ML please? review my "patches" Oct 18 21:47:56 VladNistor: it doesn't, is there a way for me to force that? Oct 18 21:48:13 VladNistor: I use Ubuntu. Oct 18 21:48:31 lemme try plug it in. Oct 18 21:49:15 plugged it in but there isn't even a notice of USB device plugged in dmesg Oct 18 21:49:41 VladNistor: I use Ubuntu. Oct 18 21:49:51 I just plugged it in but there isn't even a notice of USB device plugged in dmesg Oct 18 21:50:07 DocScrutinizer: quite bold Oct 18 21:50:32 I do not have the equipment to test right now Oct 18 21:51:41 javispedro: sorry, not my plan to be bold. Just asking for formal (and maybe semantic) critic on the suggested patches Oct 18 21:51:41 how do I force the PC to mount the N900 when I connect with the device off? I've never done that, even when it worked. Oct 18 21:52:08 DocScrutinizer: I do not mean you are bold, but the patches. I worry they will cause breakage everywhere Oct 18 21:52:27 I don't know about the microsd, but that way you can acces your onboard memory Oct 18 21:52:39 ptl: tap the power button for a very hort time to get it to wake up into act_dead I think Oct 18 21:53:00 heh, Nokia introduced breakage with line51,52 in musb-core.h - not me ;-) Oct 18 21:53:09 SpeedEvil: ok, thanks! where should I read more about this? Oct 18 21:53:21 VladNistor-mob: thanks for the rescue initrd tip, I'll try it if this fails Oct 18 21:53:21 DocScrutinizer: definitely, but wrong+wrong=good enough ;) Oct 18 21:53:35 javispedro: yes, my big worries Oct 18 21:54:54 maybe you can do a git-grep or whatever you devels usually do, to spot the places where ISP1704_FUNC_CTRL_XCVRSELECT(_SHIFT) is used Oct 18 21:55:08 Ptl, no problem. It just writes a rescue kernel and initrd to ram so there is no change to your data. Oct 18 21:55:22 ptl: I'm unure - I haven't really done much research into this, as it doesn't much interst me - I've never used UMS - and my system boots. Oct 18 21:56:05 I've tapped my power boot whilst the N900 is off but I don't get anything in dmesg yet. :( Oct 18 21:56:10 *power button Oct 18 21:58:35 anyone know about DBus service method signatures? Oct 18 21:59:32 e.g. does 'ss' mean two arguments of type string? Oct 18 21:59:57 javispedro: I'd be more than willing to have a look at it and fix it, if you spot any problematic or questionable occurances Oct 18 22:00:15 lardman: Yes, it's going very well. Oct 18 22:00:28 cool :) Oct 18 22:00:47 It is a lot of hours, though. Fortunately, I don't have a life. Oct 18 22:01:25 DocScrutinizer: I understand -- but I'd need to start it up first, and it's been a while since I last booted a h-e-n kernel Oct 18 22:01:50 derf: as long as you're enjoying it that's the thing Oct 18 22:01:53 lardman: ss is two strings, yes Oct 18 22:02:07 javispedro: thanks :) Oct 18 22:02:16 lardman: Yeah. Wouldn't have it any other way. Oct 18 22:05:37 btw (hostmode) [2010-10-18 23:34:45] the bug in line 191 will always set ISP1704_FUNC_CTRL_FULL_SPEED in void musb_force_term(void __iomem *addr, enum musb_term term) Oct 18 22:06:27 so quite probably the hostmode POC as published now will not work with non-USB2.0 devices AIUI Oct 18 22:08:06 tbh I'm amazed it works with any device/peripheral Oct 18 22:12:41 On an unrelated matter - do 1.5M devices always negotiate art 1.5, and 12 at 12? Oct 18 22:13:12 http://www.analog.com/en/interface/digital-isolators/adum3160/products/product.html - off-topic Oct 18 22:15:12 SpeedEvil: supposedly 12 devices can negotiate 1.5 Oct 18 22:15:54 but I doubt nobody cares about it. Oct 18 22:15:59 *anybody Oct 18 22:16:07 I do Oct 18 22:16:11 what was it? Oct 18 22:16:39 ~seen MohammadAG Oct 18 22:16:48 mohammadag <~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 34m 50s ago, saying: 'he died'. Oct 18 22:17:10 rest in peace. Oct 18 22:18:19 i wish they fix conversations Oct 18 22:20:01 * oshin keep refreshing tablets-dev for no reason. Oct 18 22:21:05 I wish conversations would stop scrolling back down every time someone says something, can' read back when there's chattin' Oct 18 22:21:17 lol Oct 18 22:21:35 seen this annoying effect elsewhere Oct 18 22:22:29 text messed up badly in it. Oct 18 22:22:30 probably an inherent property of some type of text representation widget Oct 18 22:22:38 can't be used in my language. Oct 18 22:22:48 migrated to pidgin.. Oct 18 22:23:11 * javispedro checks his client Oct 18 22:23:16 some devs just have no clue how unicode works. Oct 18 22:23:17 meh, xchat ftw :-) Oct 18 22:23:21 * javispedro nope, no unwanted scrolling down. Oct 18 22:24:23 I dislike that effect, i like conversation for everything else Oct 18 22:24:29 iirc both HAM logs and location test NMEA raw show this annoying jump-to-bottom Oct 18 22:24:32 * oshin should apply for a maemo job when he still have chance. Oct 18 22:24:57 I'm doubting there are new maemo jobs. Oct 18 22:25:00 Maybe I'm wrong. Oct 18 22:25:07 long time ago.. Oct 18 22:25:10 yes there are. they're unpaid, though. Oct 18 22:25:11 like years Oct 18 22:25:17 muhaha Oct 18 22:25:22 tell me Oct 18 22:25:23 nokia lab in argentina i think. Oct 18 22:25:29 someone has to keep hildon alive! Oct 18 22:25:51 someone has to keep *ME* alive Oct 18 22:25:54 but can't bare gtk+'s suckiness and refuse a friend's suggestion. Oct 18 22:26:21 he moved to oracle though. Oct 18 22:26:45 now i wish they fixed conversation, that stupid app should just have source. Oct 18 22:27:15 * oshin stopped whining it's 5am pardon me Oct 18 22:27:24 oshin: nooooo, Nokia wants to *differentiate* Oct 18 22:27:28 heh Oct 18 22:27:32 differentiate Oct 18 22:27:44 you MUST NOT fix things like these :-P Oct 18 22:27:50 heh Oct 18 22:27:55 heh, at least they do not want to *integrate* themselves Oct 18 22:28:02 yeah, their media player is the only on the market that will dump its entire song library at random! Oct 18 22:28:10 /me would like a fixed conversations :P Oct 18 22:28:11 and not refresh it until you reboot Oct 18 22:28:36 don't get me started - that's tracker, my fav foe Oct 18 22:28:52 heh Oct 18 22:28:59 well, Pr1.3 is going to fix all those problems and cure world hunger, cancer, idiotism, and also prevent the next asteroid impact! Oct 18 22:29:18 I remember people bitching constantly about apple's database on the iPod, but I'll be damned if tracker isn't 100% worse and less efficient Oct 18 22:29:19 \o/ Oct 18 22:29:46 or just release necessary sources so we can fix them ourselves... Oct 18 22:29:54 sure Oct 18 22:30:22 wmarone: you just don't get it: "users" _want_ it that way, at least that's what Nokia found out about users Oct 18 22:30:27 Source is allways best if one understands it :) ) Oct 18 22:30:36 users want it to be terrible? Oct 18 22:30:41 yes! Oct 18 22:30:44 They shuld have asked me... Oct 18 22:30:46 I had no idea1 Oct 18 22:31:03 after my current proj i'll build a new gui layer with gnustep.. Oct 18 22:31:20 on meego well.. i guess i will never do it.. Oct 18 22:31:50 but if i win some lotto i'll start a company for that. Oct 18 22:32:10 is gnustep somewhat related to nextstep? Oct 18 22:32:26 in what sense? they do not reuse code. Oct 18 22:32:28 DocScrutinizer, yes, a clone. Oct 18 22:32:36 k Oct 18 22:32:42 like cocoa for iphone w/o uikit Oct 18 22:32:52 :nod: Oct 18 22:33:02 they are working on uikit clone.. but i'd just use appkit... well Oct 18 22:33:14 uikit sucks. Oct 18 22:33:33 most things apple did to nextstep were worthless. Oct 18 22:33:59 lately.. Oct 18 22:34:03 heh, I used nextstep before it was owned by apple Oct 18 22:34:11 :-) Oct 18 22:34:14 yeh, it was good at the time. Oct 18 22:38:38 oh and if anyone here happens to have the misfortune of working with Orange Business Services, you have my sympathy Oct 18 22:48:36 ok so xchat does not have a hildon UI and as such is either too big a font or too small? Oct 18 22:49:24 chx: Nokia Sans Semibold 12 Oct 18 22:50:52 night chaps Oct 18 22:52:28 http://qkwv.com/xchat.png Oct 18 22:52:34 my xchat looks like Oct 18 22:52:37 which works for me Oct 18 22:54:40 what i would love ... is zooming. if it would increase the font size when my nick is mentioned that'd be superb. Oct 18 22:56:38 i have a few duplicated photos, is that normal? Oct 18 22:57:31 i wonder if i have bad symlinks somewhere so all new taken photos are dupped Oct 18 23:17:14 chx: yes. That would be nice - but the window only supports one text style Oct 18 23:17:26 chx: It does highlight the nick in a different colour Oct 18 23:17:58 well Oct 18 23:18:12 SpeedEvil: what do you care about? Oct 18 23:19:30 * SpeedEvil ponders. Oct 18 23:19:36 pupnik: Cheese. Oct 18 23:19:52 pupnik: Also good banannas. Oct 18 23:20:32 let's try to do something in life Oct 18 23:20:36 Feed-in-tarrifs exclusionary policy on DIY solar cells. Oct 18 23:20:44 Solar panels. Oct 18 23:21:02 maybe you just spew stupid into irc Oct 18 23:21:39 If I could get feed-in-tarrif rates on my self-constructed solar panels, then they would pay back in around 9 months. Oct 18 23:22:17 And lead to me putting up maybe 4Kwp of panels. Oct 18 23:25:13 heh, apparently if an update for qtcreator fails, it just self destructs Oct 18 23:25:50 the update tool downloaded it, said there was a hash error... i hit retry, same deal, and then pressing cancel appears to have removed qtcreator from my system Oct 18 23:26:39 but qtdesigner and qtlinguist are still there, as is the sdk maintenance tool... Oct 18 23:32:37 i suck at math and so i installed calculus and uh Oct 18 23:33:15 hey guys, anyone use evopedia? Oct 18 23:33:31 It doesn't recognize the dump I downloaded, and I don't understand why Oct 18 23:34:28 helooooooo Oct 18 23:35:56 SpeedEvil: the 'window' ? Oct 18 23:37:42 can I not be heard via this? Oct 18 23:37:48 webchat.freenode.net Oct 18 23:39:27 sdfsdfs, well... i can't read your name though. Oct 18 23:39:48 sound more like soda now Oct 18 23:40:23 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVI-P3f2RPI Oct 18 23:40:27 so Oct 18 23:40:35 oshin, is that better Oct 18 23:40:38 evopedia.... Oct 18 23:40:42 why can't it read my dump? Oct 18 23:40:45 says no metadata Oct 18 23:40:55 but I have everything there... all 11gb, and a metadata.txt file Oct 18 23:41:18 no idea :/ Oct 18 23:42:50 how could I find out? Oct 18 23:43:02 I mean i open the folder and evopedia shows no files in it Oct 18 23:43:12 it is on a 16gb microsd Oct 18 23:44:49 chx: The textfield widget does not as I understand it support more than one font. Oct 18 23:46:10 * wmarone chuckles as microb dies again Oct 18 23:57:34 Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of docscrutinizer) Oct 18 23:57:56 ~botsnack Oct 18 23:57:56 :), javispedro Oct 18 23:59:58 wtf? Oct 19 00:02:10 ~status Oct 19 00:02:10 Since Thu Sep 16 09:58:38 2010, there have been 242 modifications, 3051 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1543 commands. I have been awake for 32d 14h 29s this session, and currently reference 117360 factoids. I'm using about 38392 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 10926.53/264.58 child 0/0 Oct 19 00:04:11 700 people registered for meego conference Oct 19 00:05:36 pupnik: you? Oct 19 00:06:01 javispedro: i give you the best shit in your life Oct 19 00:06:18 I was asking whether you're coming Oct 19 00:06:21 stop by and hear my speakers Oct 19 00:06:25 why Oct 19 00:06:39 curiosity. also, I do plan to come. Oct 19 00:06:39 i'm in paradise, with little money Oct 19 00:31:18 sdd: detected capacity change from 8168931328 to 0 Oct 19 00:31:18 this can't be good. Oct 19 00:35:20 javispedro Oct 19 00:35:34 when real life intrudes on yhour world Oct 19 00:35:40 i will laff Oct 19 00:35:44 nn Oct 19 00:36:22 oh, it will. Oct 19 00:37:03 javispedro: haha Oct 19 00:37:11 hopefully that's a system disk Oct 19 00:37:26 it was the n900 sd card, connected via usb :S Oct 19 00:37:32 (mass storage) Oct 19 00:37:59 ah, hah, well you can be reasonably sure the data is all there Oct 19 00:38:53 ass rage mode? Oct 19 00:39:07 I assume some misconnection in a peculiarly bad timing. Oct 19 00:39:25 javispedro: I GOT GOOD MUSIC Oct 19 00:39:36 javispedro: dmesg Oct 19 00:39:43 i've been staring at a progress bar for over an hour :( Oct 19 00:39:54 n900 one says nothing Oct 19 00:40:09 don't want to kill connection atm since I'm copying some stuff to emmc and will take a while Oct 19 00:40:09 hmm Oct 19 00:40:18 download speed where i am right now is restricted to 50KBps, and i apparently need to redownload the nokia sdk to fix the fucked update :( Oct 19 00:40:49 # file -s /dev/sdd Oct 19 00:40:49 /dev/sdd: writable, no read permission Oct 19 00:40:50 lol Oct 19 00:40:56 lol Oct 19 00:40:57 muhaha Oct 19 00:41:00 WOM Oct 19 00:41:24 unless your user doesn't have permission to read sdd? Oct 19 00:41:28 root shell Oct 19 00:41:33 DON'T FOLLOW NAVIGATION IN YOUR HEAD Oct 19 00:41:35 nice then Oct 19 00:41:39 kernel has killed all partitions also (sdd1, sdd2, ...) Oct 19 00:41:51 I wonder why such a thing is even implemented? Oct 19 00:42:03 IO error? umount (magnet)? Oct 19 00:42:04 are there are disks out there that "change capacity" without "media removal" events? =) Oct 19 00:43:56 maybe there was a media removal event Oct 19 00:44:27 the sd card is considered a removable media type Oct 19 00:45:42 full host dmesg: http://maemo.pastebin.com/9Fh0FQRB Oct 19 00:45:50 btrfs fs is meego (on SD) Oct 19 00:46:55 (don't waste your time on this though, I'm sure it's just one of those "randomly flipped bits triggered weirdo behaviour") Oct 19 00:47:10 yeah, just a curiosity Oct 19 00:51:29 i have one of the best stereos in germany Oct 19 01:12:01 pupnik, which stereo? Oct 19 01:12:46 VMPS RM2 Oct 19 01:12:56 mitsutaka: so good Oct 19 01:13:11 if you love hi-fi, i have one of the best in germany Oct 19 01:13:24 what like thousands of dollars? Oct 19 01:13:28 audiophile stuffz Oct 19 01:13:32 yes Oct 19 01:13:44 might as well get speaker monitors Oct 19 01:13:52 300$ each - 5 for surround Oct 19 01:13:54 and dual subs Oct 19 01:14:02 m-audio's Oct 19 01:14:19 any pics of your rig? Oct 19 01:14:23 vmps Oct 19 01:14:24 and waht do you listen to on there? Oct 19 01:14:58 ninethree1: i am a music producer with a lot of credits Oct 19 01:15:19 credits? Oct 19 01:15:32 what kind of music? Oct 19 01:15:34 I make electronic Oct 19 01:15:56 using NI and ableton live... you've any cool libraries? Oct 19 01:16:00 i am on 6 million cds Oct 19 01:16:02 I'm trying to get some better ones Oct 19 01:16:18 wow, maybe you could help me out then, with some libraries Oct 19 01:16:27 j Oct 19 01:16:31 i never made mone Oct 19 01:16:32 y Oct 19 01:16:40 ? Oct 19 01:17:02 well, you produce electronically or what? Oct 19 01:17:21 if you do, then you surely have some great libs Oct 19 01:17:22 you can hear my 1992-1994 stuff Oct 19 01:17:27 I mostly use the ones from battery3 Oct 19 01:17:54 i'm just an old guy Oct 19 01:18:11 I don't follow Oct 19 01:18:18 I'm trying to talk production Oct 19 01:18:26 don't do that here Oct 19 01:18:26 since I'm not on any cds, and you're on 6mil Oct 19 01:18:29 where Oct 19 01:18:32 you've aim or msn Oct 19 01:18:36 lol Oct 19 01:18:51 i just got lucky once in 1993 Oct 19 01:19:01 well, I'm on cds I've burned myself Oct 19 01:19:22 well you go do shit.. and be nice to me Oct 19 01:19:31 me old folks Oct 19 01:19:42 you go kick ass Oct 19 01:20:07 I don't seem nice enough? Oct 19 01:20:19 do you have talent? Oct 19 01:20:29 did you kick ass in piano competitions? Oct 19 01:20:32 that's how it works Oct 19 01:20:32 old folks gotta teach young folks Oct 19 01:20:32 talent? Oct 19 01:20:46 can you play anything on a keyboard? Oct 19 01:20:47 lol is that the definition of talent; always wondered Oct 19 01:20:58 I can play well tempered claviar prelude 2 Oct 19 01:21:01 here, go drink whiskey Oct 19 01:21:03 oh Oct 19 01:21:14 and half of chopin's revolutionary etude Oct 19 01:21:21 and a quarter of chopin's ocean etude Oct 19 01:21:41 but I haven't really touched a piano in 5 years Oct 19 01:21:59 I used to be in a satriani cover band on guitar, but I haven't touched a guitar in 3.5years Oct 19 01:22:10 electronic music makes me quit physical instruments! Oct 19 01:22:27 heh Oct 19 01:23:04 What do you guys do for syncing with Thunderbird (or similar things)? I've looked into SyncEvolution, but Funambol (are there other stable free software SyncML servers that work well?) seems like a bit of a beast that I wouldn't mind avoiding if possible. Oct 19 01:25:11 ~lart MohammadAG51 Oct 19 01:25:11 * infobot burns MohammadAG51 to a crisp with a laser Oct 19 01:25:19 LOL Oct 19 01:30:11 ARGHH Gmail is DOWWWN I CAN DO ANY WORK! WORLD IS GOING TO END! well... *looks clock* maybe I could pay my bed a visit instead.. Oct 19 01:30:23 ah, Gmail is back up. Oct 19 01:30:43 * javispedro keeps reading useless mails. Oct 19 01:34:12 aha, someone packaged sdl_net for chinook, diablo, & fremantle. thank him when just-building maemo dosbox 0.74 comes with fake modem & ipx tunneling support Oct 19 02:23:49 good morning **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Oct 19 02:59:57 2010