**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 21 02:59:58 2010 Oct 21 04:06:55 good morning Oct 21 04:09:29 what's the story on getting evince (or a similar PDF reader that is better than the very limited Osso one) running? at first glance it appears to be only in extras-devel for freemantle, which seems a little hairy to install (quite a lot of dependencies at first glance). Oct 21 04:13:31 orospakr, how is 4mb for the download and 10mb for the storage of the dependencies for evince really that big of a deal? Oct 21 04:14:25 TermanaN900, oh, just worried about replacing too much of the stable stuff. I only looked at the deps briefly (also tried loading the debs directly with dpkg), didn't actually get a package upgrade proposal out of apt. Oct 21 04:14:38 Is that known to work without making too much of a mess? Oct 21 04:18:02 orospakr, should only install some new packages, it doesn't want to upgrade any existing ones for me Oct 21 04:38:22 TermanaN900, hm, so, I've done so, and the result is: http://pastie.org/1237316 Oct 21 04:38:47 wait, actually. Oct 21 04:39:09 I might have mucked up the repository settings. I let application manager UI do the updates, and it didn't warn me of 404 errors. Oct 21 04:44:06 yup, that was it. here goes. Oct 21 05:00:44 omap4 dev boards shipping in mid-november Oct 21 06:24:52 hi folks .. Oct 21 06:25:41 what's the official name for the USB port on the N900? Micro USB? Oct 21 06:26:59 yeah Oct 21 06:28:14 thanks johnx, I've just lost my USB cable and need now to buy a bunch of new ones :-( Oct 21 06:29:05 yup. all you should need to know is micro usb Oct 21 06:32:34 micro b Oct 21 06:32:47 Ebay. You can get them for $1 or so Oct 21 06:32:49 if you use it for charging thought... Oct 21 06:33:57 Charging + Data transfer ... I need 2 for the cars, one for the bag and one at home ... I'll check eBay for reasonable offers.. Thanks so far! Oct 21 06:34:04 "Nokia Connectivity Cable CA-101" is the name of the cable you get with the n900 Oct 21 06:34:32 I tried to order some from dealextreme but I've been waiting for 3 months now :D Oct 21 06:35:04 Ouch Oct 21 06:35:16 i don't recall the n900 including a microusb cable Oct 21 06:35:23 It does Oct 21 06:35:26 i do Oct 21 06:35:29 hmm... Oct 21 06:35:42 good thing that Oct 21 06:35:43 didnt you get a usb cable with your n900 ieatlint ? Oct 21 06:35:44 i must be wrong then Oct 21 06:35:58 otherwise i'd have a hard time charging it unless i insisted on using the damned wallcharger all the time :) Oct 21 06:35:59 Note: if you try to use a micro-usb cable with an ipod or other non-standard charger, you have to short the middle-two pins together Oct 21 06:36:23 Or, slice the cable open and solder/connect the white/green wires. Red and black are your power Oct 21 06:36:33 i don't recall it coming with one at all, but it's more likely i'm wrong than my box was missing one it seems Oct 21 06:37:21 thought apple had their own strange interface , not micro-usb Oct 21 06:37:32 but then again , I never owned a apple product Oct 21 06:37:55 No, I mean the charging bricks that have a USB port on them Oct 21 06:38:10 you use your Apple connector > usb cable with it Oct 21 06:38:24 apple always loved custom connectors Oct 21 06:39:07 Fortunately, Nokia -doesn't- Oct 21 06:39:33 * raster gives nokia a little pat Oct 21 06:39:44 ^^ Oct 21 06:42:03 (o)v(o) Oct 21 06:42:25 raster, they need all the pats they can get Oct 21 06:43:45 well with all the hate @ symbian Oct 21 06:43:49 and doom and gloom talk Oct 21 06:43:52 i think so Oct 21 06:44:10 tho nokia didnt handle the maemo -> meego transition as well as it should have Oct 21 06:44:31 raster: really? what happend? Oct 21 06:44:33 debatable Oct 21 06:44:48 well meego got a nice big splash Oct 21 06:44:58 and yet, they've handled it better than just about any other purveyor of mobile linux devices Oct 21 06:44:59 but the image was that maemo was abandoned Oct 21 06:45:05 and left to fend for itself Oct 21 06:45:15 whos image ? Oct 21 06:45:18 all things are relative Oct 21 06:45:23 Appiah: nokia's Oct 21 06:45:30 sure Oct 21 06:45:38 they have since cleared it up Oct 21 06:45:40 so nokias image was that maemo was abandoned? Oct 21 06:45:45 yes Oct 21 06:45:50 funny Oct 21 06:46:09 enough people asked Oct 21 06:46:54 "so what about my n900 i just bought? what about maemo? now youa re doing a new linux os that is built on a different packager, different core, etc. etc.?" Oct 21 06:47:06 with no answer for quite a while as i recall Oct 21 06:47:19 i heard that one asked or questions to that effect a fair bit Oct 21 06:47:54 there are a lot of answers on t.m.o... like "shut up, see fig.1" Oct 21 06:48:02 ;) Oct 21 06:49:32 as i said Oct 21 06:49:43 wasnt handled as well as it should have been :) Oct 21 06:50:18 I'll give them a B rating for this transition Oct 21 06:50:31 if it was, then there wouldnt have been an obvious "yes we will transition maemo to meego and support the product we just released with os releases and updates moving it along to meego" Oct 21 06:50:36 waaay up from the C- rating for the N8x0 to N900 transition Oct 21 06:50:43 last i recall the word was "n900 is nto supported for meego" Oct 21 06:50:46 not officially Oct 21 06:50:51 can you name a transition you gave A+ ? Oct 21 06:50:56 its simply the dev platform for meego (unofficial support) Oct 21 06:51:13 Appiah, from a purveyor of mobile Linux devices? no Oct 21 06:51:14 unless that changed? Oct 21 06:51:17 raster: I heard this is because of some kind of release politic. No announces, No comments Oct 21 06:51:33 rmrfchik: yeah. thats just all i'm saying Oct 21 06:51:44 it left a bit of a hole Oct 21 06:51:49 i know why they do it Oct 21 06:51:56 nothing new industry-wise Oct 21 06:52:02 raster: as in that you can't call nokia care, but resources are being paid for Oct 21 06:52:34 Appiah, actually, N800 to N810 transition was an A- or A Oct 21 06:52:46 Stskeeps: the picture is clearer now - but at the time no one even knew that therw would be ANY resources Oct 21 06:52:53 (at the time meego was announced) Oct 21 06:53:09 releasing for the N800 as soon as it was available at all would have gotten them the coveted A+ Oct 21 06:53:13 johnx: but that was till maemo -> maemo ? Oct 21 06:53:14 raster: i can't recall when n900 was marked as a reference device though Oct 21 06:53:22 well, I can't say picture is clear now Oct 21 06:53:37 Stskeeps: and i'd say still "not handled as well as it should have been" because "as well as it should have been" would have been full meego support for the n900 (nokia care and all) :) Oct 21 06:53:39 Appiah, yeah. they handled the easy, no-op transition without too much problem :) Oct 21 06:53:47 :D Oct 21 06:53:49 meego on n900 is still under question as nokia said "multiboot is only for developers" Oct 21 06:53:53 Stskeeps: i rememebr hearing about it a while after the meego announce Oct 21 06:54:19 just saying Oct 21 06:54:24 it could have been handled better Oct 21 06:54:25 :) Oct 21 06:54:38 rmrfchik: well, a regular consumer wouldn't want to flash u-boot.. Oct 21 06:54:39 something to learn from i guess Oct 21 06:54:54 Stskeeps: customers of n900 aren't regular ;) Oct 21 06:54:56 Hi! What's the URL containing information on how to add the Fremantle SDK repo? Oct 21 06:55:02 they all are geeks and freaks Oct 21 06:55:03 ;) Oct 21 06:56:01 raster: i'm maintainer of the nokia n900 hardware adaptation now and i can only say that a large bunch of resources are going into the n900 effort :) Oct 21 06:56:29 Appiah, don't you want to hear who got an F? Oct 21 06:56:39 oooh please tell! Oct 21 06:56:45 johnx: Mer to MeeGo? Oct 21 06:56:45 :P Oct 21 06:56:52 :p Oct 21 06:57:18 MohammadAG51, ping Oct 21 06:57:18 Stskeeps: i don't doubt you :) it could 1. have been made clear onthe day of the meego announce that this was going to happen, and 2. full support - not just "resources" would be better. :) Oct 21 06:57:37 raster: i'm happy i don't have to go through bluetooth certification or other wtfs. Oct 21 06:57:45 so in that regard, productization is good it's not happening Oct 21 06:57:52 it would delay the effort immensely Oct 21 06:57:54 Stskeeps, Sharp for closing down the SL-5x00 forums in the USA without telling anyone, right around when they launched the Cxx0 series in Japan Oct 21 06:58:01 johnx: heh Oct 21 06:58:34 hype about new series, questions about device transition -> forum closed with no warning Oct 21 06:59:15 Stskeeps: sure. shortcut there :) Oct 21 07:00:00 johnx: thats definitely not good (tm) Oct 21 07:00:18 Sharp was so (*#$ing bad at that stuff Oct 21 07:01:11 they had miles and miles of goodwill, a dedicated community with a good amount of devs, and they just kept making bad decision after bad decision Oct 21 07:02:28 indeed Oct 21 07:02:39 the zaurus just died a horrible death outside japan about then Oct 21 07:02:43 and eventually in japan too Oct 21 07:04:34 Raster, I also have a C3200 still around here @my Desk ... Oct 21 07:05:35 and yet, they started out with Qt, which is where we're headed back to :) Oct 21 07:10:08 peb: i had an c400.. until i moved to korea. it finally hit the dumpster then Oct 21 07:12:00 The Zaurus CL-3200 (and the other two models that are the same) - the one and only BSD handheld Oct 21 07:12:02 :p Oct 21 07:12:32 err, open bsd handheld I should say I guess Oct 21 07:12:51 I was interested, but they didn't get boot from SD working for a long time (ever?) and I have a C1000 ... Oct 21 07:13:32 at least there isn't quite the same amount of distro fragmentation with Nokia's hardware vs Sharp's Oct 21 07:13:37 I take that as a hugely good sign Oct 21 07:13:38 Since there was the sidekick 09 model and XNU has a little bit of BSD in it for networking and file systems and some other things Oct 21 07:14:26 johnx, well I don't know how bad it is for sharp's but we have some distro fragmentation Oct 21 07:14:35 TermanaN900, we have nothing in comparison Oct 21 07:15:05 johnx, Maemo, MeeGo, Gentoo, Debian Oct 21 07:15:16 how many people are using alternative distros as their primary OS? less than 5%? Oct 21 07:15:26 NITdroid? But that's not really a linux distro Oct 21 07:15:32 :p Oct 21 07:15:38 People using MeeGo is what we *want* :P Oct 21 07:15:43 so it doesn't count Oct 21 07:15:51 johnx, heh :p Oct 21 07:16:57 there were maybe 3 or 4 fairly widely used non-package compatible 'ROMs' for the Zaurus at the worst Oct 21 07:17:12 with some ROMs being available for some devices and not others Oct 21 07:18:12 and *that* is why I thought long and hard before pushing ahead with the debian-for-NIT, and then Mer Oct 21 07:18:52 on the N900, the alternate distros are really more like an outlet for people's hacking energy than competition with Maemo Oct 21 07:19:22 johnx, oh I forgot Ubuntu Oct 21 07:19:38 johnx, but I disagree with that Oct 21 07:20:04 how well debian works in n900? can one make calls? what about battery life? Oct 21 07:20:22 johnx, and SHR Oct 21 07:20:39 hahlo, kinda, no and not so good, IIRC Oct 21 07:20:58 I worked on Debian for the N800, not the N900 Oct 21 07:20:58 johnx, people using MeeGo (really none at the moment full time), Gentoo and SHR are using it as a maemo competitor Oct 21 07:21:11 TermanaN900, Gentoo users don't count Oct 21 07:21:16 lol Oct 21 07:21:20 ok Oct 21 07:21:33 johnx, nasty :p Oct 21 07:21:57 they're already predisposed to not like nice comfy GUI environments Oct 21 07:22:02 that's why I said it's a healthy outlet Oct 21 07:22:17 they *want* to be at the command line, hacking things, tweaking other things Oct 21 07:22:24 debian is active developed for n900? Oct 21 07:22:33 that was almost certainly their intention when they bought this thing in the first place Oct 21 07:24:10 hahlo, what is actively developed? Everything works in Debian now Oct 21 07:24:31 seriously, power savings and phone calls even? Oct 21 07:24:43 * johnx is not with the times it seems Oct 21 07:25:09 johnx, phone calls will. power savings should as well, but i don't think with the lock switch Oct 21 07:25:22 you have to wait for X to timeout the display Oct 21 07:26:34 TermanaN900, where's debian4N900 -- do you have the URL handy for me? I'd like to take a look ... Oct 21 07:26:56 moo johnx Oct 21 07:27:20 peb, https://elektranox.org/website/debian_on_n900.html Oct 21 07:27:26 johnx: you must have a PIN-less SIM card for now (phone stuff in Meego) Oct 21 07:27:30 GSM is incorrectly marked not working Oct 21 07:27:50 who said zaurus? Oct 21 07:27:51 All you need to do is build the latest version of ofono and use that Oct 21 07:27:59 zaurus FTW! :) Oct 21 07:28:24 rmrfchik, me. :D wouldn't an SL-5500 phone be awesome? Oct 21 07:28:42 TermanaN900, I must say I'm impressed. I didn't except it to get this far actually ... Oct 21 07:28:55 How I can I see what packages are available in the fremantle/sdk repository? Oct 21 07:29:01 * rmrfchik used 860 Oct 21 07:29:14 ah, I had a C1000 as well Oct 21 07:29:33 somehow I kinda liked the SL-5500 better for a couple things Oct 21 07:37:02 I wish the SL-6000 was more available Oct 21 07:38:22 I wish for a pony, and a rocket and an SL-5500 with a 800x480 screen and an OMAP4 and a GSM modem, and a nice beefy battery Oct 21 07:38:43 I'd be willing to lose the stylus silo and CF slot in return Oct 21 07:38:47 ...and all you are gonna get is a MacBook Air? Oct 21 07:39:12 RST38h, don't wish that on anyone Oct 21 07:39:36 RST38h, I guess I could get work to get me one next year :/ Oct 21 07:39:38 meh Oct 21 07:40:03 current white macbook is holding up well enough Oct 21 07:55:28 Morning, all Oct 21 07:56:41 Morning Jaffa. Oct 21 07:57:38 looks like we're in for some turbulance Oct 21 08:03:37 crashanddie: hmm? netsplits? Oct 21 08:03:42 hrm Oct 21 08:03:50 what was it that's driving the keyboard backlight again? Oct 21 08:03:58 mce Oct 21 08:04:00 ? Oct 21 08:04:03 i mean kernel driver Oct 21 08:04:07 err Oct 21 08:04:19 / device Oct 21 08:04:31 DocScrutinizer and Stskeeps: and old one, but still good to read: http://www.zerobeat.net/qrp/powradio.html Oct 21 08:08:59 is this the correct image to flash my n900? RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Oct 21 08:09:09 Live in Europe Oct 21 08:10:27 yep Oct 21 08:11:14 thx Oct 21 08:11:53 sejo: any specific country? Oct 21 08:15:09 Belgium Oct 21 08:15:44 hahaha, belgium. Oct 21 08:15:54 If i backup to the ext card... are my sms's pictures etc included? Oct 21 08:16:07 crashanddie: I like it here :p Oct 21 08:16:16 best beer Oct 21 08:16:37 meh Oct 21 08:16:47 how are you enjoying your government? Do you have one? Oct 21 08:17:03 FYI: I have a belgian passport, I just think the country is bloody ridiculous. Oct 21 08:17:46 crashanddie: government sucks bet less than others imho Oct 21 08:17:59 wtf? who ever enjoys gvmt?? Oct 21 08:18:04 indeed Oct 21 08:18:04 sejo, lol? Oct 21 08:18:12 crashanddie: where do you live? Oct 21 08:18:16 crashanddie, what's funny is that you get on other peoples' case for trolling ... and now you've started a political debate. fantastic ... Oct 21 08:18:25 DocScrutinizer51: china ppl does Oct 21 08:18:29 crashanddie, what IS your citizenship status? Oct 21 08:18:30 and north korean Oct 21 08:18:37 TermanaN900, triple citizenship Oct 21 08:18:46 oh yeah I bet they do Oct 21 08:18:48 that's ridiculous Oct 21 08:18:51 TermanaN900, though, not sure each country is aware i went with another. Oct 21 08:18:56 why 3 citizenships? Oct 21 08:19:00 cuz I can? Oct 21 08:19:06 just in case Oct 21 08:19:08 a backup Oct 21 08:19:11 having 3 passports is a heckuvalot better than 1 Oct 21 08:19:14 it's a raid1 citizenship Oct 21 08:19:18 to be able to moe to one of three depending the advantages and having no connection whatsoever? Oct 21 08:19:19 with one hotspare Oct 21 08:19:26 I can go to israel and iran on the same day, and never be annoyed. Oct 21 08:20:05 crashanddie, france, australian and belgium? Oct 21 08:20:07 crashanddie, if you found the secret to non-annoying air travel, I'd like to hear it Oct 21 08:20:12 australia* Oct 21 08:20:20 but I doubt it has much to do with which passport you're carrying ... Oct 21 08:20:23 johnx, lol :D Oct 21 08:20:35 johnx, well, not "on the same day" Oct 21 08:20:41 but you know what I mean Oct 21 08:20:50 you have iran israel and belgian passport? Oct 21 08:21:04 did you ever live in belgium? Oct 21 08:21:29 nope Oct 21 08:21:38 nope to iran/israeli passports Oct 21 08:21:45 but yeah, I lived in Belgium for 14 years Oct 21 08:22:26 johnx, I'm allowed to laugh at a country's government, considering I was born there. Is that trolling? Oct 21 08:23:11 trolling is saying something you know will stir everyone up, and not produce a terribly useful discussion Oct 21 08:23:25 and I've seen you get on people for less Oct 21 08:23:38 crashanddie: what are your other passports? Oct 21 08:23:44 sejo, none of your business Oct 21 08:23:59 but a quick google should give you one, at least Oct 21 08:24:03 yeah thought so Oct 21 08:24:09 not going to google you Oct 21 08:24:57 you know what you lived here 14 years... whenever you get back... then complain... until than without the guts of saying what government isn't ridiculous let me be in peace Oct 21 08:25:21 sick of people being the allknowing beings without having a clue of the real problems Oct 21 08:25:39 dude, i probably know more about the problems in your own goddamn country than yourself Oct 21 08:25:53 are you flemish or walloon? Oct 21 08:26:26 I've lived here 32 years Oct 21 08:26:26 johnx: I am sure crashanddie will change his opinion once all three governments decide to tax him Oct 21 08:26:33 in brussels and flannders Oct 21 08:26:39 worked 2 years in luxembourg Oct 21 08:26:49 crashanddie, now that's trolling Oct 21 08:26:50 I'm flemish Oct 21 08:26:56 johnx, stfu Oct 21 08:27:01 crashanddie, make me Oct 21 08:27:12 you are probably able to solve all the problems! Oct 21 08:27:35 god damned why don't they make people do an exam before allowing them on the internet Oct 21 08:28:14 if you're flemish, you probably consider the walloons to be lazy sods who need to stop getting help from the government, because stupid flemish politicians have been trying to get the whole north to believe they're paying too much for the south. If you're a walloon, you basically have no clue, you don't understand why there are flemish people who come to the south to work, when you're not able to find a job yourself. Oct 21 08:28:35 crashanddie: well that's a stereotype Oct 21 08:28:39 johnx: sorry, but what are these two flemish guys arguing about? Oct 21 08:28:40 well, yeah Oct 21 08:28:46 I can smell it Oct 21 08:28:49 RST38h, belgian policitics Oct 21 08:28:52 err, politics Oct 21 08:28:56 policitics? Oct 21 08:28:57 DocScrutinizer51, can you smell it? Oct 21 08:29:01 belgian? what is belgia? =) Oct 21 08:29:04 nvm Oct 21 08:29:12 RST38h, same as glaswegia :) Oct 21 08:29:19 alknowing being I leave the floor to you! Oct 21 08:29:53 RST38h, heh. I think one is against all government and one just got tricked into arguing with the other one :) Oct 21 08:30:04 crashanddie: they all sound like venerial diseases to me Oct 21 08:30:37 (Now, gentlemen, THAT is trolling. And what you have just done was unprofessional flaming =)) Oct 21 08:31:06 johnx: OMG, are they going to have a fight-to-the-death? Oct 21 08:31:49 RST38h, two men enter, one man leaves! two men enter, one man leaves! Oct 21 08:31:54 i'm pretty sure belgians are too busy trolling themselves to do it to others on irc Oct 21 08:32:51 johnx: I just remembered: Poirot was a belgian! Oct 21 08:33:11 N900 why! Why do you go flat on me :p Oct 21 08:33:23 johnx: Now, I wonder if PBS is a belgian tv channel, given how much Poirot they show! Oct 21 08:33:37 sejo, truth is, neither side is right. I'm flemish, most of my family is flemish, but I grew up/went to school in walloon territory/schools. Let's not forget that the country's moto is "L'Union fait la force", and for nearly 150 years, the walloon had the biggest production, and sent money over to flanders in order to keep them afloat, considering their agricultural production was moot. Then the flemish finally discovered th Oct 21 08:33:37 e service industry (and antwerp as a haven for international business), so both sides made pretty much the same amount of money. For the past 30 years, the walloon side has seen a massive economy collapse (due to the mines and shit going down) which means the flemish all of a sudden feel they're paying too much, even though they've only been paying for 30 years when they've been on the receiving end for 150 years. Oct 21 08:33:47 DocScrutinizer, I'm done, you can deop now. Oct 21 08:41:36 Stskeeps: still looking for that LCD backlite thing? Oct 21 08:42:15 DocScrutinizer: keyboard backlight Oct 21 08:42:19 ooh Oct 21 08:42:33 that's controlled via LP5523 Oct 21 08:43:35 ah Oct 21 08:44:27 /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/leds:lp5523:kb1 Oct 21 08:44:36 ...6 Oct 21 08:44:44 6 LEDs Oct 21 08:46:34 and MCE abuses one of the 3 engines exclusively fulltime, just to implement a silly 200ms ramp that could be done more easily with less code in sw-only Oct 21 08:49:36 X-Fade: who can set up a packages.maemo.org -> maemo.org/packages redirect? i always find myself typing the former ;) Oct 21 08:50:21 thp, you can with a quick hack to /etc/hosts and a local web server :D Oct 21 08:51:04 johnx: and have everyone complaining why i send out fake urls that don't work at their end? ;) Oct 21 08:51:21 lol Oct 21 08:51:35 thp: Hehe, use your awesome bar more then ;) Oct 21 08:51:46 * DocScrutinizer suggests bookmarks, or webshortcuts ala Konqueror Oct 21 08:52:22 thp, it's worked perfectly well for me all these years :) Oct 21 08:52:58 Lal Oct 21 08:53:12 it would take ~ 10 minutes and make me soo happy. pretty please? Oct 21 08:53:36 thp: setting up a subdomain is more than 10 min Oct 21 08:54:13 Sub-domain and vhost redirect Oct 21 08:54:15 Need to request the host first then, that is a bit of a pain. Oct 21 08:54:25 DocScrutinizer: adding a dns entry and telling the web server to "Redirect permanent / http://maemo.org/packages/" (in apache speak)? Oct 21 08:57:33 set up a proper service handler (if you don't have a proper browser like Konqueror that supports shortcuts for same result) Oct 21 08:57:50 like pmo:/path/to/package Oct 21 08:58:33 and while we are at requesting improvements to the URL interface, Maemo bug 7107 is still open, too :p Oct 21 08:58:36 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7107 Add http://bugs.maemo.org/[bug-id] redirection Oct 21 08:59:23 meh, I bet that's a WONTFIX Oct 21 08:59:26 DocScrutinizer: it's not just about me and my browser. i'd like to type urls in IMs and (for example) on IRC Oct 21 09:07:21 couldn't povbot tell the bug status in the IRC message? Oct 21 09:09:28 "Moscow will open its first cemetery for the elite in almost 250 years, a popular newspaper reported on Wednesday, to make sure Russia's high mortality rate doesn't deprive the city's most famous residents of a final resting place." Oct 21 09:09:51 thp, I bet you could write a ModRewrite rule that would do that for you Oct 21 09:10:37 dneary, I think he has an idea for the rule, but not access to the server :) Oct 21 09:10:52 exactly :p Oct 21 09:11:11 johnx, Perhaps writing the rule in a Bugzilla comment & pinging amigadave would help get the problem solved? :) Oct 21 09:11:37 thp, dneary had an idea. let me tell you about it ... :) Oct 21 09:12:13 dneary, johnx: the rule is actually in the bug report already ;) Oct 21 09:12:40 something along the lines of RewriteRule ^/(\d+) /show_bug.cgi?id=$1 should do the trick Oct 21 09:14:31 amigadave: ping! please have a look at maemo bug 7107 when you've got some time - thank :) Oct 21 09:14:33 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7107 Add http://bugs.maemo.org/[bug-id] redirection Oct 21 09:15:43 thp: you don't look at that bug status often, now do you? :) Oct 21 09:16:38 X-Fade: just saw that now. thanks :) Oct 21 09:18:31 thp, Really? Didn't see it Oct 21 09:18:57 thp, You know mod_rewrite regex foo better than me. Oct 21 09:19:08 I was suggesting([0-9]+) Oct 21 09:23:31 dneary: it's actually untested, so yours might work and mine might not :p i'm kinda confused by all those regex dialects/extensions myself :) Oct 21 09:24:07 thp, It would need to be RewriteRule ^/(\d+)$ /show_bug.cgi?id=$1 [L] I think Oct 21 09:24:18 thp, dneary: hopefully, most of the begzilla enhancement requests should get worked on after bugzilla 3.4 is rolled out Oct 21 09:24:23 which is real soon now :) Oct 21 09:24:34 thp, I found docs. mod_rewrite supports Perl regular expressions (so \d is OK) Oct 21 09:24:52 amigadave, Cool Oct 21 09:25:08 moo wazd Oct 21 09:25:30 amigadave, Since this is completely independent of Bugzilla configuration & versions, and only affects Apache config, any chance it could get done sooner? Oct 21 09:25:47 amigadave, It's literally a one-line config change, which will not affect any existing users Oct 21 09:25:56 dneary: quite possibly, but ferenc is the person to ask Oct 21 09:26:10 Already assigned it to him. Oct 21 09:26:16 i do not have any access to bugs.maemo.org :) Oct 21 09:27:23 amigadave, How're you going to push bz 3.4 then? Oct 21 09:28:06 dneary: ferenc is sorting that, i have merely transferred the maemo.org customizations Oct 21 09:28:52 It just needs to be copied from test. Ferenc is currently on the move, but it can probably be done at the beginning of next week. Oct 21 09:33:56 http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/ Oct 21 09:43:36 RST38h: heya Oct 21 09:44:22 * wazd will definitely kick Johnny Ive someday Oct 21 09:53:00 http://www.saudiarabia.spmgame.com/partner.php?ID=267258 Oct 21 10:02:56 wazd: But then you should start by designing toilet bowls =) Oct 21 10:03:17 wazd: Ok, Ive continues designing toilet bowls, to be fair Oct 21 10:04:54 toilet bowl design is hard - not such for the required shape, but the attachments! Oct 21 10:05:02 errr toilet seats * Oct 21 10:05:47 Yeah - hooking on the robot arms is an ergonomics nightmare. Oct 21 10:06:02 RST38h: I don't really care about his designs, It's really presonal thing for everyone, but the way he behaves Oct 21 10:06:36 RST38h: like "look at me, I'm such a fragile artist" Oct 21 10:14:07 is there a date yet for PR1.3? Oct 21 10:14:35 ~PR1.3 Oct 21 10:14:36 STILL a ban'able subject, more than ever Oct 21 10:22:27 sejo: you shouldn't use PR1.3. Use "release after 1.2" or "Last Hope Release" or "dying platform release" Oct 21 10:22:58 lol Oct 21 10:23:13 but I can't add sharing accounts (fails with Internal error.) Oct 21 10:23:22 sad Oct 21 10:24:56 very sad :/ Oct 21 10:36:50 just use pr1.2.5 :) Oct 21 10:39:53 it's a dbus error? Oct 21 10:39:55 weird Oct 21 10:59:01 wazd: If you were designing things made of porcelain for the half of your life, you would be fragile too! Oct 21 10:59:47 someone knows how to clear the sharing account data? Oct 21 11:04:06 hmm interesting, symbian^4 got scrapped Oct 21 11:04:48 jarkkom, url? Oct 21 11:05:01 http://www.taloussanomat.fi/informaatioteknologia/2010/10/21/nokia-symbian-4--puhelimia-ei-tulekaan/201014655/12 in Finnish Oct 21 11:05:06 google translate helps Oct 21 11:06:16 ~pr1.4 Oct 21 11:06:17 PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject Oct 21 11:07:11 PR1.5 is still safe though Oct 21 11:07:20 ~pr2.0 Oct 21 11:07:26 :( Oct 21 11:07:58 RST38h: ask infobot! Oct 21 11:12:10 that's a bit overexaggaration of the press release they gave out Oct 21 11:18:20 "Nokia said it plans to cut up 1,800 jobs and simplify its production organization for Symbian smartphones. " Oct 21 11:18:38 RST38h: read: fire most of symbian guys? Oct 21 11:18:39 :P Oct 21 11:18:42 1800 Symbian people! Oct 21 11:19:02 750-850 in Finland Oct 21 11:19:03 Stskeeps: That is how I read it as well. But it does not have to mean that. Oct 21 11:20:26 most, not really most Oct 21 11:20:50 quite significant share of them, but not even majority Oct 21 11:21:01 or even near Oct 21 11:28:59 RST38h: doesn't it make sense if they move more power to the linux stack? Oct 21 11:29:03 work power, that is Oct 21 11:29:07 and hi all, btw :) Oct 21 11:30:02 sivang: Very few corporate actions make sense to normal people Oct 21 11:30:18 I guess :) Oct 21 11:30:23 sivang: And yes, you should probably stop reading Slashdot :) Oct 21 11:30:51 RST38h: hehe, I never really followed it too much Oct 21 11:31:06 Or one day, you will respond almost entirely with "imagine a beowulf cluster of these" and "in soviet russia..." Oct 21 11:31:09 RST38h: being mocked for not doing so many times, "you call yourself open sourcerer and you don't follow slashdot?" Oct 21 11:31:24 beowulf... Oct 21 11:31:41 is it deployed anywhere? Oct 21 11:31:49 Calling onseself "open sourcerer" almost like calling oneself "batman" or "superman" =) Oct 21 11:41:13 he guys isl there a way to upgdate the flash player of n900 Oct 21 11:42:28 chibi-taiga, no Oct 21 11:42:31 chibi: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37922 Oct 21 11:42:41 Middle of this thread, sort answer is a "no" Oct 21 11:42:49 s/sort/short Oct 21 11:45:49 so its stuck with current flash player? Oct 21 12:00:21 isn't there some hack to make flash mis-report it's version? Oct 21 12:00:41 (since a lot of stuff is actually flash 9 compatible, but uses a stupid flash-detection script) Oct 21 12:01:15 hex editing the bin? :) Oct 21 12:01:26 there was something Oct 21 12:01:34 that patched the binary, yeah Oct 21 12:02:39 are they still selling the n900? Oct 21 12:03:06 and do they still mention facebook stuff in marketing material? Oct 21 12:03:14 cause facebook videos officially do not work now Oct 21 12:07:34 http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/21/nokia-focuses-on-qt-to-extend-reach-for-developers-make-mobile-experience-richer-for-users/ Oct 21 12:07:48 "No need to wait for Symbian^4 the improvements we were planning for Symbian^4 will be introduced as and when they become available. In fact, we will no longer be talking about Symbian^3 or Symbian^4 at all it will be one constantly evolving and constantly improving platform." Oct 21 12:11:24 RST38h: android or symbian, which is worst? Oct 21 12:11:38 symbian Oct 21 12:11:46 and android sucks Oct 21 12:11:48 so... Oct 21 12:11:54 worst is winmo... Oct 21 12:12:24 * mgedmin sjudders Oct 21 12:15:18 hahlo: Windows Phone. Oct 21 12:15:47 Symbian isn't really that bad, just stagnant, and bloggers/fanboys hate that Oct 21 12:15:57 I dunno Oct 21 12:16:08 to me it felt like a step back from Series 40 (!) Oct 21 12:16:17 RST38h: is it better than android in memory consumption? Oct 21 12:16:26 maybe I was comparing early S60 phones with polished N-th generation S40? Oct 21 12:16:57 hi, does anyone know or even how to fix this problem "make: *** /usr/src/kernel-2.6.28/: No such file or directory." ? Oct 21 12:17:05 if you like to be tamed like a puppy then use symbian Oct 21 12:17:16 Cegy, missing kernel source Oct 21 12:17:31 ok... where would i download it from (linux n00b) Oct 21 12:18:00 from the maemo repo, apt-get source linux-kernel iirc Oct 21 12:18:49 hahlo: How would I know? Never had an Android phone Oct 21 12:18:51 unable to find it Oct 21 12:18:53 :/ Oct 21 12:19:15 use apt-cache to find the correct name of the package Oct 21 12:19:22 mgedmin: You were probably unlucky to get one of these unpolished late N-series phones Oct 21 12:19:28 mgedmin: was it N97 by any chance? Oct 21 12:19:29 i've used the gui (py) installer for the sdk so it can be installed easyer for myself Oct 21 12:19:33 I didn't _get_ one Oct 21 12:20:27 I looked at the ones my coworkers got (6120 classic? and E75, iirc?) Oct 21 12:20:54 E75 was pretty bad Oct 21 12:21:07 Firmware-wise, I mean Oct 21 12:21:09 psycho_oreos: apt-cache showsrc linux-kernel Oct 21 12:21:09 W: Unable to locate package linux-kernel Oct 21 12:21:09 N: No packages found Oct 21 12:21:30 not 75 Oct 21 12:21:37 mgedmin: Try 5800 with the latest firmware version. Aside from being "boring", it is pretty good Oct 21 12:21:54 it was E65 Oct 21 12:22:06 I'm quite happy with my 6600 slide Oct 21 12:22:09 Cegy, apt-get source kernel Oct 21 12:22:11 Nevr used E65 Oct 21 12:22:28 nope, E: Unable to find a source package for kernel Oct 21 12:22:37 it was _horrrrrrrible_ Oct 21 12:22:52 i am quite happy with my n8. Oct 21 12:22:59 Cegy, you probably haven't updated your repo cache Oct 21 12:23:09 how would i do that ? Oct 21 12:23:14 my first nokia was a 6125 Oct 21 12:23:20 S40 is pretty horrible too, the ones I tried anyway Oct 21 12:23:24 apt-get update Oct 21 12:23:31 er add fakeroot in front Oct 21 12:23:39 Slow, garish colors, looks like lobotomized S60 UI Oct 21 12:24:30 fakeroot didn't work so i did sudo am sure that will do the same as it updaing the list from the looks of it Oct 21 12:24:51 heh Oct 21 12:24:58 I chose S40 because S60 was slower Oct 21 12:25:05 flickery redrawing, I mean OMG Oct 21 12:25:23 maybe i don't have the repo configed if so which website would i get this info from psycho_oreos ? Oct 21 12:26:39 Cegy, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation Oct 21 12:28:27 i can't see any info about it plus i did fellow it Oct 21 12:28:29 :/ Oct 21 12:28:56 probably best to start from scratch following that link Oct 21 12:29:27 mgedmin, my son has an X3 - it works really well and responds Oct 21 12:29:46 the blue nail woman (who destroyed the n8) did the same on the X3-2 and it kept up really well! Oct 21 12:29:52 well i used the ps gui and ticked every option so if there is a problem its down to nokia :S Oct 21 12:31:14 psy* Oct 21 12:31:20 python** Oct 21 12:31:52 Blue nail woman? Oct 21 12:32:07 mgedmin: all this sounds like one should make a choice based on the particular phone model rather than platform Oct 21 12:32:24 i guess its this Oct 21 12:32:26 http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository/ Oct 21 12:32:33 mgedmin: I know that S60 phones all behave differently. Now you are saying there *are* not-slow S40 phones Oct 21 12:32:40 it is actually well noted that using the python installer one may encounter issues if their base distro isn't debian Oct 21 12:33:49 SpeedEvil, there was a woman demonstrator at the nokia world event, she had blue nails and was MUCH faster at using her phone than anyone Oct 21 12:34:20 ah Oct 21 12:34:24 she tried to use the n8 like she used other symbian phones (from the looks of it) and it failed drastically because of over input Oct 21 12:34:47 there another video of her using other device and it handled it superbly Oct 21 12:35:00 fingers almost a blur! Oct 21 12:35:15 * lcuk would hire her on the testing team Oct 21 12:35:17 hm, perhaps I should get some blue nailpolish Oct 21 12:35:28 This is what you get when you only give your secetary a phone to take letters with. Oct 21 12:37:49 I'm surprised at how fast I got on the n900 keyboard. Oct 21 12:38:48 her nails were actually red, but they moved so fast they got blue-shifted Oct 21 12:39:22 psycho_oreos i add the repo and now the file is downloading is there anything else i would need to do once its done ? Oct 21 12:39:47 Cegy, probably make sure that its in the correct directory Oct 21 12:40:16 afaik there was not blue nail presenter at the fairs. it might have been 3vil plan. Oct 21 12:40:18 and the correct is usr/src/ isn't it ? Oct 21 12:40:27 correct folder*3 Oct 21 12:43:18 done that i still get the same kind of error in scratchbox Oct 21 12:43:19 EXTRA_CFLAGS="-I/usr/include -DENABLE_MUSB_CONTROLLER" EXTRAVERSION=-omap1 modules Oct 21 12:43:19 make: *** /usr/src/kernel-2.6.28/: No such file or directory. Stop. Oct 21 12:43:19 make: *** [build] Error 2 Oct 21 12:49:15 Myrtti: Yes, but have you got a Nokia phone to demo? :) Oct 21 13:01:57 RST38h: quit being so grumpy. Oct 21 13:02:31 morning Oct 21 13:02:54 * RST38h drinks some coolaid, turns all rainbowy Oct 21 13:03:09 RST38h: bought Apple stock recently? Oct 21 13:03:10 moorning javispedro Oct 21 13:03:20 javispedro: naah, not into stocks, too grumpy for that Oct 21 13:06:18 I quite like stocks. Oct 21 13:06:27 * SpeedEvil is boiling some chicken bones. Oct 21 13:09:47 * Myrtti just made some tom yum gai, with nice sticken stock Oct 21 13:15:30 you boil sticks to make that? Oct 21 13:15:33 Sounds economical. Oct 21 13:16:45 First MeeGo device will be a 2011 event Oct 21 13:16:48 this gitorious thing... really needs a bugtracker Oct 21 13:16:53 * javispedro should have gone github instead Oct 21 13:16:54 nowai Oct 21 13:17:02 wazd: The writing is on the wall Oct 21 13:17:50 javispedro: well, that's what Engadget says :) Oct 21 13:18:00 SpeedEvil: sticks and leaves Oct 21 13:18:16 wazd: yes, and I think it's true. Oct 21 13:18:21 s/think/believe Oct 21 13:18:53 javispedro: conference with paper prototypes would be great :D Oct 21 13:19:47 wazd: who knows, maybe they bring in the aava moorestowns (or conveniently dual-booting n900s) =) Oct 21 13:19:56 wazd,javispedro: By first Meego device, do they mean Harmattan one or a proper Meego? Oct 21 13:20:12 RST38h: who knows :) Oct 21 13:20:26 IS there going to be a Harmattan device now? Oct 21 13:21:16 RST38h: well, lemmings believe "proper Meego" so that they can say "n900+1 is still coming before end of the year" Oct 21 13:21:34 but I DO remember that, from a Nokia PoV, Harmattan _is_ Meego. Oct 21 13:21:39 so, first Meego device is N900+1. Oct 21 13:22:11 so, it is not coming until 2011 =) Oct 21 13:22:15 nice logic, eh? Oct 21 13:22:17 Depends on who you ask ;) Oct 21 13:22:43 Marketing or people with technical knowledge.. Oct 21 13:22:44 X-Fade: touché, but it is higher levels of (mis)management were talking about here =) Oct 21 13:23:08 so, Marketing :) Oct 21 13:23:31 You won't see me calling Harmattan MeeGo at least. Oct 21 13:24:18 * javispedro will call it "maemo" :P Oct 21 13:24:27 Maemo 6 ;) Oct 21 13:24:31 for added confusion Oct 21 13:25:23 Well it has all the new meego qt stuff and debian roots, what's not to like :) Oct 21 13:25:41 MaeGo Oct 21 13:29:16 javispedro: I do not care what lemmings think\ Oct 21 13:29:53 X-Fade: The real question is, if Nokia calls Harmattan "Meego" to the press, what will Intel do, after claiming "no Meego handsets until 2011"? Oct 21 13:30:17 RST38h: you assume the N900+1 is not being delayed =) Oct 21 13:30:26 RST38h: I don't know, glad I don't have to deal with that. Oct 21 13:30:39 X-Fade: And if Nokia digs out the corpse of Maemo (as a trademark for Harmattan), what the maemo.org community will do (that should be fun to watch) Oct 21 13:31:24 ping GAN900 Oct 21 13:38:51 * LjL is so confused about all these things :( what is Harmattan exactly? Oct 21 13:39:53 LjL: harmattan is the next generation of Maemo, aka Maemo6 Oct 21 13:40:17 LjL: It is supposed to be based on Debian (with .debs for packaging) but have Qt-based UI Oct 21 13:42:20 http://www.timocharis.com/doodles/server/server.jpg Wall Mounted Motherboard (great minds...) Oct 21 13:47:19 hahaa Oct 21 13:47:33 Apple has already removed Flash from OS X Lion, and is planning to do so with Java too. Oct 21 13:48:04 War Has Begun Oct 21 13:48:05 :P Oct 21 13:49:34 Not only removed: Safari will not even prompt to install it; a simple "Missing Plugin" message appears. So the user is forced to type adobe.com and go hunt for it. Oct 21 13:49:47 nice Oct 21 13:49:56 source? Oct 21 13:50:38 http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/20/macbook-air-all-substance-no-flash/ Oct 21 13:50:54 Java: http://www.osnews.com/story/23923/Apple_To_Remove_Java_from_Mac_OS_X_ Oct 21 13:52:04 javispedro: I can only applaud about that Oct 21 13:52:25 javispedro: Eagerly waiting for Oracle terminating support for Java on Windows Oct 21 13:53:36 well, not that it has any real use beyond server stuff these days :) Oct 21 13:53:38 well, java support in OSX was ridiculous, at least Oct 21 13:53:51 yeah.. they lagged 1.6 support for ages Oct 21 13:53:57 security updates months and months later Oct 21 13:54:25 RST38h: I am worried that Jobs feel he already has enough power and/or market quote to start making the bold moves Oct 21 13:54:29 *feels Oct 21 13:54:46 objc is pretty damn ugly too :) Oct 21 13:54:49 Well I guess it is more against Android than against Sun, but hey. Oct 21 14:01:22 javispedro: I wouldn't worry about what Jobs feels :) Oct 21 14:01:54 javispedro: "An elephant consumes 300kg of bananas a day. If you LET HIM." Oct 21 14:02:33 nom nom nom Oct 21 14:42:14 http://androidandme.com/2010/10/news/3dmarkmobile-gpu-showdown-adreno-205-vs-powervr-sgx540/ Oct 21 14:52:20 Hi all ! Oct 21 14:52:27 x-fade: ping ? Oct 21 14:53:40 khertan_900: pong Oct 21 14:54:02 i bother you about http://maemo.org/packages/view/khweeteur-experimental/ Oct 21 14:54:22 is there a reason to not be listed in the repository Oct 21 14:54:35 i didn t see why it s not listed Oct 21 14:54:46 while it s really in the repositorty Oct 21 14:54:54 ? Oct 21 14:55:12 (ps : i m testing a new tool to package :) ) Oct 21 14:56:36 ~ping Oct 21 14:56:38 ~pong Oct 21 14:56:59 :) sorry i m in the subway Oct 21 14:57:45 khertan_900: patience grasshopper. Oct 21 15:00:12 :) Oct 21 15:00:13 i just test as webchat didn t notice you when disconnected :) Oct 21 15:01:40 39-2 is in the repo, just hasn't been imported yet. Oct 21 15:02:18 yep it s in the repo Oct 21 15:02:39 it s more why it s not listed in the release section of the ui :) Oct 21 15:03:00 Because it has not been imported yet. Oct 21 15:03:23 39-1 was upload this morning Oct 21 15:04:57 i ask because as it s a new packaging tool that i m writing maybe i made some errors :) Oct 21 15:05:55 khertan_900: Maintainer is not very descriptive ;) Oct 21 15:06:01 Maintainer: UNKNOWN Oct 21 15:06:22 X-Fade, fix the cloaks. :P Oct 21 15:06:29 ah, yes :) Oct 21 15:07:07 GAN900: Sorry low prio :) All kinds of issues I needed to attend to first. Oct 21 15:08:07 x-fade: indeed ... thx Oct 21 15:08:25 khertan_900: But I'll check if I can find something else. Oct 21 15:08:29 It's amazing to me that after five years Nokia still doesn't realize how much the COMPLETE LACK of platform continuity hurts the platform. . . . Oct 21 15:10:42 In fact, expect the switch to E-17 any time soon! Oct 21 15:10:50 or Windows Phone 7! Oct 21 15:11:06 GAN900: i think this the reason of Qt :) Oct 21 15:11:53 gan900: abstract pateform focus on framework Oct 21 15:12:06 It'd be one thing if they were smart enough to figure out that providing support for existing users is a good idea. Oct 21 15:12:38 Instead they just drop a daisy cutter every year or so and expect everybody to wait in a holding pattern in the resulting vacuum. Oct 21 15:13:25 GAN900: no profits in short term : extrem capitalism Oct 21 15:13:59 hum, this reminds me about the rx-71 =) Oct 21 15:14:21 Hey hey Oct 21 15:14:34 I'm working through maemoexamples in scratchbox Oct 21 15:14:59 dneary: btw, many thanks for that! Oct 21 15:15:05 GAN900: are there still N900's in the developer queue? Oct 21 15:15:25 javispedro, For what? Oct 21 15:15:36 dneary: did you got through all the meanings of .desktop fields? I at least wanted to say that X-Maemo-Startup-Wm-Class is possibly the "cleaned up" version of StartupWMClass Oct 21 15:15:48 dneary: for documenting undocumented stuff :) Oct 21 15:15:56 javispedro, I'm still missing the PreStart ones Oct 21 15:16:31 javispedro, The URL groups need updating too - it looks like it's backwards compatible, though. Oct 21 15:16:58 and from quickly looking at hildon source, X-Maemo-Startup-Wm-Class got never used (dunno about PR1.3 or if it was meant to be used in "upstream" Hildon or what) Oct 21 15:17:01 javispedro, And there are half a dozen fields I've seen mentioned in example files that I can't find parsed anywhere - so I'm guessing they're deprecated Oct 21 15:17:34 javispedro, The tricky thing is that these files are parsed in a few different places Oct 21 15:17:40 hard task ahead... Oct 21 15:17:50 hildon-desktop is only one of them Oct 21 15:18:08 libhildonmime is another Oct 21 15:18:15 are all of them OSS at least? Oct 21 15:18:26 But anyway... I've moved on :) It's 95% good now Oct 21 15:18:52 I just compiled crazyparking Oct 21 15:18:53 well, I find out anything about those I'll try to fill the wiki. Oct 21 15:19:05 *if I Oct 21 15:20:07 crazyparking? it was already on extras? Oct 21 15:20:28 Oh, guess I just missed GAN900 then :( Oct 21 15:21:00 It compiles fine, but when I try to run it, I get an error, "arguments to dbus_bus_request_name were incorrect, assertion "connection != NULL" failed" Oct 21 15:21:17 I get that a couple of times, then "cannot init hildon-games-startup" Oct 21 15:21:30 Anyone able to help me figure out what is going wrong? Oct 21 15:21:36 it's hard to run a hildon-games-wrapper game properly Oct 21 15:21:42 This is the tags/maemo5 version of maemoexamples Oct 21 15:21:52 will give a look Oct 21 15:22:02 OK - if this is a known issue, I'll move on & come back to it Oct 21 15:22:13 I actually want to get an abook example working Oct 21 15:22:20 where is maemoexamples.git btw? Oct 21 15:22:50 ep, it's not git. sorry. Oct 21 15:26:19 dneary: WORKSFORME? I svn co'd tags/maemo_5.0/crazyparking, autogen.sh prefix=/usr, make, make install and clicked on its menu icon and worked? Oct 21 15:26:49 this is sbox x86, though. Oct 21 15:27:38 maybe you are invoking it from cmd line in some specific way? Oct 21 15:35:36 javispedro, Ah - I didn't make install Oct 21 15:36:20 hildon-games are usually composed of two processes, messaging via d-bus, so it will need .service files in place Oct 21 15:37:24 javispedro, I don't see any icon after make install Oct 21 15:37:32 (yes, sbox x86) Oct 21 15:37:49 aw, maemo 5 appears to disable my 3G connection when wireless comes up. Oct 21 15:37:51 is prefix=/usr ? :P Oct 21 15:37:59 And command line invocation gives the same error Oct 21 15:38:09 No - I just did a fakeroot make install Oct 21 15:38:44 * javispedro 's only gripe with sbox1 is not being able to run two targets at the same time Oct 21 15:39:11 Yes, works now when installed in /usr Oct 21 15:39:18 That seems wrong & weird... Oct 21 15:39:25 Ah, no, doesn't work Oct 21 15:39:36 Icon was there, clicking crashed it Oct 21 15:40:33 ok, I see your crash Oct 21 15:40:34 javispedro, Do I need to install a prerequisite, perhaps, that I don't have? Oct 21 15:41:01 without installing it, you're trying to run via ./src/crazyparking? That's second binary Oct 21 15:41:44 hey, why is there 30ms minimum latency from my n900 to my n router - from right next to it? Oct 21 15:41:52 it needs session dbus, so it needs run-standalone.sh. also, iirc, it needs some env vars set, but I need to look those up Oct 21 15:42:35 javispedro, So run-standalone.sh crazyparking? Oct 21 15:45:30 ok, I looked it up Oct 21 15:45:55 dneary: there's no way to run the SDL app from the command line -- it needs a dbus method invocation to launch. Oct 21 15:45:57 I have hildon-games-wrapper & hildon-games-wrapper-dev Oct 21 15:46:25 so the question is what error msg if any is console giving you when trying to launch it from menu? Oct 21 15:46:32 No - now I'm not even seeing fail messages Oct 21 15:46:46 I just go back to the home screen Oct 21 15:48:02 Nope - no errors on xephyr or af-sb-init.sh shell Oct 21 15:48:07 yoyoyo wifi isn't too fast Oct 21 15:48:14 trying to reproduce it by installing on prefix=/usr/local first, then /usr.. Oct 21 15:48:16 but 30ms? Oct 21 15:48:26 isn't it supposed to be like 3ms Oct 21 15:48:28 * Wizzup doesn't know what's usual for wifi Oct 21 15:48:36 well 30 isnt Oct 21 15:48:36 lol Oct 21 15:48:50 javispedro, I'm definitely in /usr now Oct 21 15:49:32 Let me restart everything in case it's a desktop file cache question Oct 21 15:49:43 ah, sounds plausible Oct 21 15:50:16 Nah, not it Oct 21 15:50:18 And no errors to terminal Oct 21 15:51:31 And no docs for crazyparking at all - great for an example program Oct 21 15:51:57 * javispedro used it as sample a year ago, back when starting drnoksnes... Oct 21 15:54:48 dneary: http://maemo.pastebin.com/djfri7c8 Oct 21 16:03:15 javispedro, No osso_games_startup here Oct 21 16:03:38 interesting Oct 21 16:03:46 package osso-games-startup Oct 21 16:03:54 javispedro, Thanks! Oct 21 16:03:55 that's probably missing from crazyparking dependencies, then. Oct 21 16:04:07 it comes builtin on all so-far released devices, though. Oct 21 16:04:09 I was just typing "can you run dpkg -S for me, please" :) Oct 21 16:04:16 =) Oct 21 16:04:21 javispedro, But not on the SDK Oct 21 16:05:29 Yay! Oct 21 16:06:02 Weird Oct 21 16:06:08 Just started a new game Oct 21 16:06:16 It went straight to "Game paused" Oct 21 16:06:19 and it just hang, both buttons greyed out? Oct 21 16:06:21 ah Oct 21 16:06:30 No, I can click the buttons Oct 21 16:06:32 Does anyone elses Nokia charger adapter make a noise when it's charging the N900? Oct 21 16:06:51 The adapter that converts old Nokia charger plugs into micro usb Oct 21 16:07:06 GLIB warning Oct 21 16:07:23 hd-task-navigator - XGetClassHint failed Oct 21 16:07:42 ClutterX11 - bad window 0x1200002 Oct 21 16:08:16 possibly crashed... Oct 21 16:08:34 default - hd_util_get_x_window_string_property: XGetWindowProperty failed Oct 21 16:08:54 These are hildon-desktop warnings Oct 21 16:09:23 alterego, possibly unrelated, but scary: http://www.nokiausers.net/General/N97-Charging-Warning-Beware-of-Using-Supplied-CA-146C-with-Old-Style-Nokia-Charger.html Oct 21 16:10:04 dneary: if you run "run-standalone.sh /usr/games/wrapper/games/crazyparking.l" it should hang for a while then quit, no error messages Oct 21 16:10:14 Holy crap Oct 21 16:10:24 mgedmin: it does get warm but I wouldn't say that hot Oct 21 16:10:25 (reason for that is dbus timeout while waiting for a startup/activate method call) Oct 21 16:10:35 And the whistling is intermittent. Oct 21 16:10:38 but at least it will run for a while if all libs are installed. Oct 21 16:10:40 javispedro, No - same thing Oct 21 16:10:44 I've had random power bricks make whining noises when they're plugged in Oct 21 16:10:50 no explosions yet Oct 21 16:10:59 Straight to "paused" when you start a game Oct 21 16:11:43 I do Ah - there's a GLIB CRITICAL Oct 21 16:12:05 g_source_remove assertion 'tag > 0' failed Oct 21 16:12:31 weirdo, never seen that. Oct 21 16:12:37 Then there's a "sending async message game_continue" Oct 21 16:13:18 Then "Getting key /apps/osso/games_startup/pause_with_hw_key value as int" Oct 21 16:13:41 So it seems that there's a hardware pause key registering as down!!! Oct 21 16:13:45 you're getting much more debug output that me :( Oct 21 16:14:55 How can I do hardware keys with the keyboard? Oct 21 16:15:40 I do not remember the mappings .. Oct 21 16:15:47 Hi.... I really hate to have to do this but: are there any mycontacts users here that would like to help promote a (now very old) new release to extras? http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_non-free_armel/mycontacts/0.9.16-1/ Thanks! Oct 21 16:16:09 Maybe I can gconf edit that configuration key Oct 21 16:16:40 dneary: mine's unset Oct 21 16:17:02 javispedro, How do you know? Oct 21 16:17:20 run-standalone.sh gconftool -R /apps/osso/games_startup shows nothing Oct 21 16:17:27 by the way: is anybody else here attending Qt dev days in SF? Oct 21 16:17:31 javispedro: cool work on the webos stuff btw Oct 21 16:17:56 Stskeeps: thanks Oct 21 16:18:05 javispedro, Me too Oct 21 16:18:09 I started when I noticed someone had finally ported DrNokSnes to the Pre =) Oct 21 16:21:00 dneary: why do you get output of g_debugs while I don't? O.o Oct 21 16:22:31 javispedro, We're using the same sources... Oct 21 16:22:33 either way, when the game binary crashes, you get "game not started yet" instead of "game paused", so no idea atm. Oct 21 16:23:03 javispedro, The game binary doesn't crash for me Oct 21 16:23:17 The application menu doesn't work for me - no settings Oct 21 16:23:25 That might be normal Oct 21 16:23:31 yep Oct 21 16:23:39 furthest right of the launcher bar Oct 21 16:24:03 alterego, That's an X Oct 21 16:24:39 ok comparing xephyr & n900 experiences Oct 21 16:25:44 works on n900 Oct 21 16:26:04 no idea, can't reproduce it. Oct 21 16:26:46 hm. Oct 21 16:28:32 When I hit the hardware key, the game does pause Oct 21 16:28:34 dneary: I just noticed I have many instances of both the launcher and game binary hung behind. maybe time to sb-conf killall Oct 21 16:28:45 but I'm not hitting the hardware key on my keyboard Oct 21 16:29:06 in fact, you cannot get to that hardware key on fremantle Oct 21 16:29:13 javispedro, I don't Oct 21 16:29:23 because iirc it's ESC, the back front key on N8x0 Oct 21 16:29:25 OKK - time to go :( Oct 21 16:29:47 cya Oct 21 16:29:49 Bye Oct 21 16:34:55 back Oct 21 16:35:10 moo, javispedro, anything new and exciting since I fell off? Oct 21 16:35:46 RST38h: nothing =) Oct 21 16:36:20 RST38h: see how I got webos games rotated? by patching glLoadIdentity to return a non-identity matrix =) Oct 21 16:36:37 javispedro: dirty hacker! Oct 21 16:36:55 javispedro: seriously, I am afraid this may bite you later Oct 21 16:37:12 javispedro: linear algebra lectures come in handy, for once? :P Oct 21 16:37:20 yes, for example: games not using GL at all, games using GLES2 Oct 21 16:37:32 Stskeeps: indeed Oct 21 16:37:39 GLES2 stuff is meh Oct 21 16:41:20 hi can u recommend some pdf reader wich can work in portrait mode? or ebook reader wich supports portait and pdf Oct 21 16:44:14 there is exactly 2 pdf readers Oct 21 16:44:49 the onethat comes with the device and evince Oct 21 17:00:08 hi Oct 21 17:01:37 quick question: is there a way to change the default character that is used to obscure passwords? Oct 21 17:02:03 (on a N900) Oct 21 17:02:25 sure Oct 21 17:02:41 a hexeditor :-P Oct 21 17:03:00 he just asked of there is a way not what is it Oct 21 17:03:18 rrright Oct 21 17:03:21 its not just a setting somewhere? :/ Oct 21 17:03:39 sure, somewhere Oct 21 17:04:27 probably somewhere on *.h Oct 21 17:04:33 job @ nokia anyone? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11594839 Oct 21 17:05:04 i mean, there isn't any way to change it other than doing changes on a binary? Oct 21 17:06:34 *-h isn't a binary Oct 21 17:07:28 but it is used to make a binary, if i change that the binary that results from it will also be changed Oct 21 17:18:02 is that incorrect? Oct 21 17:18:13 no Oct 21 17:19:17 DocScrutinizer, привет Oct 21 17:19:22 well, you might be able to (even temporarily) change the font that's used in the text input box Oct 21 17:20:33 I wanna change the default, what programs that don't explicitly choose a character for that purpose use Oct 21 17:20:34 so that even while the char binary code is the same, you get another representation for it Oct 21 17:21:20 hmm, hard Oct 21 17:21:54 as there are several distinct text input libs, some not even with any password notion Oct 21 17:22:25 GTK, Qt, ncurses... Oct 21 17:22:53 hell'o Oct 21 17:22:55 i would like to change it on things like the pin entry screen, microB etc Oct 21 17:23:26 that's all GTK for anow afaik, and is going to change to Qt eventually :-D Oct 21 17:24:10 GTK doesn't got a text field variant specificly for passwords? Oct 21 17:24:26 GTK should, I'd guess Oct 21 17:24:39 ncurses obviously hasn't Oct 21 17:24:49 ok, bad example Oct 21 17:29:50 hmm, anyone for some Qt advocacy for me? i'm still like kind'a biased toward it Oct 21 17:29:51 my point is - there's no standard way, so there's also no central locaton to tweak it Oct 21 17:30:44 Noka came and told trolls "resistance is futile" ;-D Oct 21 17:31:03 Qt trolls or general? Oct 21 17:31:17 obiously Qt trolls Oct 21 17:31:28 crashanddie: trolls as in tolltech'ers Oct 21 17:32:01 I was hoping those programs that don't explicitly choose a character would rely on a system setting (falling back to the toolkit's default in the absence of the setting) Oct 21 17:32:18 StyXman, yes thank you, DocScrutinizer's clarification... clarified that. Oct 21 17:32:47 Stskeeps: Nokia said it too!! Oct 21 17:32:47 TiagoTiago: a nice idea. Maybe even an implemented one, though I doubt. Sorry talking outa my ass Oct 21 17:32:48 :-( Oct 21 17:32:53 what did i say? Oct 21 17:32:53 :P Oct 21 17:33:03 Let me find the quote.. Oct 21 17:34:10 i see Oct 21 17:35:51 blah, can't find it, basically that I have to wait until next year Oct 21 17:36:12 TiagoTiago: first point: there's no central settings storage defined that's common to Qt and GTK Oct 21 17:36:37 (except shell env vars maybe) Oct 21 17:36:46 i wouldn't mind one for each Oct 21 17:37:14 gtk == gconf Oct 21 17:37:24 Qt also has some settings editor Oct 21 17:37:44 XResources ;-) Oct 21 17:37:46 DocScrutinizer: is that gtk or gnome which is related to gconf? Oct 21 17:39:40 sorry, I'm not really sure about it Oct 21 17:40:02 is it possible to get Maemo to not disconnect the 3G connection when wifi is available? I certainly want to prefer wifi if available (higher priority route metric, etc.), but I don't want to needlessly cut off connections already going through the 3G if it can be avoided. Oct 21 17:41:11 orospakr: that's leave you with both up same time most of the cases Oct 21 17:41:22 sure, that's fine. Oct 21 17:41:36 I doubt it would use much power; the 3G modem is up all the time anyway. Oct 21 17:42:11 using 3G data uses much more power than sitting around waiting for a phone call does Oct 21 17:42:16 many connections aren't supposed to "roam" so it's really difficult Oct 21 17:42:55 Evening everyone :) Oct 21 17:43:10 and then there's UDP which has no decent notion about connections Oct 21 17:43:18 BCMM, it does, hm? Interesting. Oct 21 17:44:01 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption Oct 21 17:44:13 Well, just being online uses almost nothing, but a single packet going in either direction will elevate power consumption for 5-10s (so even something like IRC uses huge amounts of power on 3g) Oct 21 17:44:30 orospakr, it's a cool idea but I don't know how to do it :-) Oct 21 17:44:36 ShadowJK, ohhh, interesting. Oct 21 17:45:02 i'd quite like a way to temporarily tell it to ignore wlan Oct 21 17:45:07 Does the N900 support that mobile IP thing i read about a while ago? (i think it was a feature of IPv6) Oct 21 17:45:17 mip? Oct 21 17:45:21 mip is also for ipv4 Oct 21 17:45:25 BCMM: a PITA Oct 21 17:45:29 what do you mean? Oct 21 17:45:30 orospakr, personally I have a server in holland with openvpn on it, run openvpn on N900, and tunnel important stuff over that, since openvpn is able to gracefully jump from one connection to another Oct 21 17:45:48 ShadowJK, hmm, yeah. I need to get OpenVPN running again. Oct 21 17:45:54 since if i'm outside fixing my bike or something, it chooses my home wireless network, but it doesn't actually work at that range Oct 21 17:46:07 (and i want to listen to internet radio while doing that) Oct 21 17:46:08 DocScrutinizer: ? Oct 21 17:46:21 orospakr, I don't really know how to tell linux kernel "Use this route for new connections, but use the old one for already established connections", even if we ignore the UDP issue for now... Oct 21 17:46:30 I've certainly tried similar things in the past :) Oct 21 17:47:20 it is also possible on IPv4? I thought it involved using an specific address range that was only present on IPv6 Oct 21 17:47:28 TiagoTiago, yes it is Oct 21 17:47:37 ShadowJK: you can do that with iptables Oct 21 17:47:38 TiagoTiago, i've been doing that for ipv4 Oct 21 17:47:46 SpeedEvil, I never managed to figure out how Oct 21 17:47:47 you can do everything with iptables. Oct 21 17:47:54 TiagoTiago, but in general safe assumption is that it won't support it Oct 21 17:47:54 hehehe Oct 21 17:48:37 TiagoTiago, but also mipv6 isn't that straightforward.. Oct 21 17:48:39 iptables is wonderful and complicated Oct 21 17:48:44 in the end, packets belonging to connections on interface1 were going out on interface2 with SRC address set to interface1's address.. which would have worked, since ISP didnd't do any antispoofing checks, but there was a NAT in between on one of the connections, which then totally butchered/dropped stuff :) Oct 21 17:48:45 it's like saying "you can do anything in C" Oct 21 17:48:52 you can, but you probably don't know how to Oct 21 17:48:54 in general the mip is interesting, but almost nowhere supported Oct 21 17:49:29 hi Oct 21 17:49:32 From memory, it'd be on the order of something like routing new connection requests over the 'new' interface. Oct 21 17:49:46 honestly, that's like the problems on loadbalancing/multiple connections. You need a concentrator somewhere "on the other side" Oct 21 17:49:49 Then dealing the right way with existing connections. Oct 21 17:50:02 To me the problem sounds like "I'm a single user and I want to multihome but the ISPs says I need 50,000 users before I can multihome" ;D Oct 21 17:50:13 orospakr: it should be possible, but not easily done Oct 21 17:50:14 TiagoTiago, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_IP there are references for both Oct 21 17:50:42 iirc SCTP is supposed to be able to move a connection over to a new IP :) Oct 21 17:50:47 But nothing talks SCTP Oct 21 17:50:56 * ShadowJK is sticking with his openvpn setup for now Oct 21 17:50:57 orospakr: you should list the live connections and build static routes through the 3g device, if such thing exists Oct 21 17:51:01 i'll go read that, thx Oct 21 17:51:32 StyXman: that's the cheesy way, though I have a script for that. Oct 21 17:51:39 SpeedEvil: hehehe Oct 21 17:51:55 SpeedEvil: from the IPv4 point of view there is no other option Oct 21 17:51:59 now that's a nice case of "white trolling" :-P Oct 21 17:52:28 StyXman: yes there is - you set iptables to deal differently with new connections than existing ones. Oct 21 17:52:43 And disregard this notion of 'routes' pretty much. Oct 21 17:52:50 if i wanted to run a service in the background that got gps every 5 minutes and sent it to a webserver, what classes/frameworks would i want to look at? Oct 21 17:53:13 liblocation Oct 21 17:53:20 qtmobility Oct 21 17:53:32 *cough* Oct 21 17:53:46 just use XMPP location sharing, which already works via an app called Azimuth? :) Oct 21 17:54:04 it s work very well qtmobility.location Oct 21 17:54:12 \o/ Robot101 Oct 21 17:54:15 and really easy to use in python Oct 21 17:55:18 so, true is 1 and false is 0, isn't it? Oct 21 17:55:37 depends :-P Oct 21 17:55:51 hmm, good point. Oct 21 17:55:58 let's check the .h in case someone changed it. Oct 21 17:56:27 bah, that's not it. Oct 21 17:56:49 in shell it seems to me 0 = true Oct 21 17:58:42 is there a class/framework that will actually run in the background similar to Android's Service class? Oct 21 17:59:14 all applications "run in the background" Oct 21 17:59:24 this ... is ... MAEMO! Oct 21 17:59:35 heh Oct 21 18:00:01 SpeedEvil: good point, but then I don't know how Oct 21 18:00:16 I read LARTC too long ago Oct 21 18:00:54 javispedro: can you maybe narrow down that answer a little... :) Oct 21 18:01:16 maybe i should narrow down my question a little... Oct 21 18:01:25 :-P Oct 21 18:02:10 ~question Oct 21 18:02:10 i guess question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Oct 21 18:02:23 also Oct 21 18:02:25 ~ask Oct 21 18:02:26 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Oct 21 18:02:42 alright, i'm headin off, cya Oct 21 18:04:03 I really like the last sentence :-D Oct 21 18:07:16 hi Oct 21 18:07:46 neekers: seems you started rethinking it thoroughly :-) Or was there a phonecall that stopped you from narrowing down your question? Oct 21 18:07:56 http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging_a_Qt_application <- is it mandatory to name the .pro "src.pro" in this case? I find that a bit strange it also doesn't work well with qtcreator.. Oct 21 18:08:54 .pro is a project file and usually named like your project, AIUI Oct 21 18:09:36 hmm, no idea about packaging though Oct 21 18:10:53 neekers, well if you don't open a window, then you'll be running in the background Oct 21 18:11:03 If I use "SUBDIR" in a .pro it probably picks up every .pro it finds. so I guess I also could rename it Oct 21 18:11:47 ShadowJK: and if you open, but hide? Oct 21 18:11:54 heh Oct 21 18:12:00 #define background Oct 21 18:12:01 there is no publicly available scratchbox machine I could try my package on, right? ;) Oct 21 18:12:08 I have no space left... :/ Oct 21 18:13:00 if background means "concurrent execution" then all linux processes are "running as background" Oct 21 18:13:22 this is how i define background, http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Service.html Oct 21 18:13:23 almost everyday Appmanager asks me to update PyQt4 Full install, is that a new update? Oct 21 18:13:58 meh, who'd be inclined to study andridiot specs now, just to answer your question Oct 21 18:15:01 this isn't spyPhone nor Andridiot, maemo is a "real linux" Oct 21 18:16:16 with standard X and a window manager not that different from what you got on your desktop PC Oct 21 18:16:54 DocScrutinizer: somebody has asked me a question on my blog on how to run my open source software on a symbian s4, i'm just trying to point that person in the right direction. Oct 21 18:16:55 neekers: what you want, I guess, is a normal 'go to daemon mode' if you don't want to 'leave an application running'. any linux daemon howto shold do it Oct 21 18:17:26 StyXman: thanks, i think that is what i want Oct 21 18:19:05 probably QApplication and/or GApp, if such thing exists, have somehting for that Oct 21 18:19:06 darn, now we're even with sybian Oct 21 18:21:20 I don't think Qt is exactly the toolbox of choice for daemons Oct 21 18:21:21 I do not think there's anything really equivalent to the Service android class, because, as said, on Maemo, applications _always_ run on the background Oct 21 18:21:26 they're never killed Oct 21 18:21:43 so there's no need to signal anyone "I'm going to do background work" Oct 21 18:21:43 nor stopped Oct 21 18:21:45 just damn do it. Oct 21 18:21:47 oomkill Oct 21 18:21:52 touché. Oct 21 18:23:20 how to fish by exploiting 3 bitches and a yourned to the moon? Oct 21 18:23:35 journey* Oct 21 18:24:12 using QtFish? Oct 21 18:24:27 :nod: Oct 21 18:26:19 ok, i told the person they could do it with maemo, and gave them a link to maemo.org. my work is done... :) Oct 21 18:26:29 nota bene even overlords aren't exactly sure what's a daemon Oct 21 18:26:56 on unix Oct 21 18:27:02 QApp doesn't seem to have anyhitn for daemons Oct 21 18:27:09 neekers, I don't htink anyone here knows anything about Symbian^4 btw Oct 21 18:27:19 sure, as App != daemon, usually Oct 21 18:27:28 ah Oct 21 18:27:31 it was a symbian question? Oct 21 18:27:38 =) Oct 21 18:27:52 ShadowJK: is ^4 a model or a different os? Oct 21 18:27:58 wrong channel then, this is #maemo =) Oct 21 18:28:02 is it like demon for people :) Oct 21 18:28:04 S4? Oct 21 18:28:11 Hi Oct 21 18:29:04 there are *some* commonly accepted properties of a daemon, one of them being it has no UI Oct 21 18:29:21 that's the easy part Oct 21 18:29:22 iirc Oct 21 18:29:31 huh? Oct 21 18:29:41 neekers, it's a different OS. Oct 21 18:29:47 a daemon with a UI is definetely plausible Oct 21 18:29:55 i guess i get a little confused with maemo and meego and moblin etc... :/ Oct 21 18:30:02 ahh Oct 21 18:30:19 ShadowJK: yep, the one with the bitches and the journey, not the one where you're going fishing :-P Oct 21 18:31:30 neekers, Maemo 5 is the OS on the Nokia N900. Moblin is some netbook OS made by intel. MeeGo is a merger of Maemo and Moblin. They're all Linux based. Symbian, however, is a completely different operating system. It's used by Nokia on all smartphones except N900, and also by some other manufacturers on some specific models. Oct 21 18:31:59 ahh, thank you Oct 21 18:32:19 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_(computer_software) Oct 21 18:32:25 heya VDVsx Oct 21 18:32:45 And sybian is something almost completely unrelated, with a much higher user satisfaction ratio. Oct 21 18:33:14 RST38h, hello Oct 21 18:33:19 neekers, supposedly you can use QT on Symbian too (version ^3 onwards), but since this is #maemo, people gave you a answer on how to do it in Maemo Oct 21 18:34:09 * ShadowJK goes work Oct 21 18:34:09 *** #symbian 39 All things Symbian - Just ask, patience is a virtue Oct 21 18:34:10 * DocScrutinizer wonders if there's a controller equipped sybian model running some embedded linux Oct 21 18:34:11 AccelerometerGetXAxis() { return rand(); } makes for some fun racing Oct 21 18:34:51 better return real value, but add a bit of rand() to it =) Oct 21 18:34:59 "Openembedded for Sybain" X-P Oct 21 18:35:15 RST38h: #symbian -- only 39 users? O.o Oct 21 18:35:16 Sybian* Oct 21 18:35:34 you wouldn't though it was suposedly the best selling smartphone platform in the entire known universe Oct 21 18:35:59 javispedro, that pys60 thing that's top download on garage.maemo (wtf?) is a Symbian thing :-) Oct 21 18:36:19 yeah well... http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=symbian&word2=sybian Oct 21 18:37:40 javispedro: @me? Oct 21 18:37:59 DocScrutinizer: no, nothing. Oct 21 18:38:06 also. going out, cya. Oct 21 18:38:13 cya :-D Oct 21 18:38:25 :-D Oct 21 18:39:03 do people here use scratchbox a lot when working with maemo? this is a problem that i'm actually working on right now. i am trying to compile glib into mach-o files instead of elf files and having a hard time doing that. i have been able to compile them into elf using scratchbox 2 and codesourcery... Oct 21 18:39:31 alas you have to, usually Oct 21 18:39:35 SB is a PITA Oct 21 18:39:41 it is... Oct 21 18:41:08 check MADDE Oct 21 18:41:09 jacekowski: well, the size of a freenode community is probably more related to the open-ness of things Oct 21 18:41:18 there is a very small scratchbox channel but not a lot of action there and i noticed the scratchbox source code is on the maemo website Oct 21 18:41:42 SB is discontinued AIUI Oct 21 18:41:44 jacekowski: sorry, i mishighlighted Oct 21 18:41:55 since javispedro had left Oct 21 18:42:17 ETAB :-) Oct 21 18:42:39 hmmm anyone fancy giving me a little quick up the ass (help?) in c++/qt? Oct 21 18:42:45 hopefully an easy one :) Oct 21 18:43:23 MohammadAG51: ? :) :) Oct 21 18:43:58 Noobmonk3y, you need help, not sure it's in C++ though. /b/ can help you. Oct 21 18:44:08 hehe Oct 21 18:44:17 In my infinite wisdom i am trying threading :P Oct 21 18:44:23 got two lines as follows Oct 21 18:44:26 m_thread = new MyThread(); Oct 21 18:44:26 connect(m_thread, SIGNAL( updateLabel( QString ) ), SLOT( onUpdateLabel( QString ) ) ); Oct 21 18:44:29 you are trying threading it WHERE??? Oct 21 18:44:39 not exactly C++, but... http://diotavelli.net/PyQtWiki/Creating_GUI_Applications_with_PyQt_and_Qt_Designer Oct 21 18:44:52 ShadowJK: thank you for explaining the different OSes to me... Oct 21 18:44:54 the error i am getting is 'm_thread' was not declared in this scope Oct 21 18:44:56 Noobmonk3y, what is thy problem? Oct 21 18:45:08 NoobL Have you declared it? Oct 21 18:45:12 but i thought i was declaring it in teh first line? Oct 21 18:45:18 m_thread = new MyThread(); ? Oct 21 18:45:32 Noobmonk3y, MyThread m_thread = new MyThread(); ? Oct 21 18:45:39 NoobL no, that is assignment Oct 21 18:45:46 NoobL you need declaration Oct 21 18:46:06 oh! Oct 21 18:46:23 crashandies example has given me a bugger load of errors lol Oct 21 18:46:25 :P Oct 21 18:46:44 you're welcome. Oct 21 18:46:49 :) :) :) Oct 21 18:46:50 like t_m_Thread m_thread = new MyThread() Oct 21 18:47:19 at least I solved his problem Oct 21 18:47:31 He doesn't have "m_thread was not declared in this scope" error anymore. Oct 21 18:47:34 i'm assuming crashanddie's should work? or am i looking at another way of declaring? Oct 21 18:47:43 :P true! Oct 21 18:48:00 oh, crashanddie told it before Oct 21 18:48:11 * DocScrutinizer needs onother coffee Oct 21 18:48:53 * Noobmonk3y blinks Oct 21 18:49:42 Noobmonk3y: that's a real programming language - you need type defs for each var you gonna use :-P Oct 21 18:50:03 DocScrutinizer: thanks i think, i just dont understand the answers i'm getting lol :P Oct 21 18:51:33 int i; i = 5 / 2; vs: real r; r = 5 / 2; Oct 21 18:52:22 ok, so, what crash and die said was right? Oct 21 18:52:28 or is there another way to declare it? Oct 21 18:52:50 yes, assuming MyThread is a defined typedef Oct 21 18:53:27 like int, or real, or char Oct 21 18:53:28 :| Oct 21 18:53:31 programming is fun Oct 21 18:54:56 programming is fainful! Oct 21 18:55:08 Noobmonk3y, you inherited some kind of Qt thread, right? Oct 21 18:55:15 or, im my less ambiguous example above: t_m_Thread is a valid typedef for a var holding an object of type of MyThread() Oct 21 18:55:16 ok think i got it Oct 21 18:55:23 Noobmonk3y, you have a class called MyThread? Oct 21 18:55:26 added QThread* m_thread; in the header Oct 21 18:55:32 and yes i do :) Oct 21 18:56:06 class = http://pastebin.com/uPExbez3 Oct 21 18:56:10 ok, is m_thread a property of another class, or just a local variable? Oct 21 18:56:18 ignore the //'s was playing Oct 21 18:56:28 local , erm i think Oct 21 18:56:39 paste your whole code pliz Oct 21 18:57:11 class MyThread : public QThread Oct 21 18:57:54 Qthread is the type of var you need to hold an object of class MyThread Oct 21 18:57:57 Noobmonk3y: that looks correct Oct 21 18:58:07 ooo ty ieat Oct 21 18:58:13 only 2 smaller errors now Oct 21 18:58:22 you would use that class as this: MyThread *instance = new MyThread; Oct 21 18:58:27 hi guys Oct 21 18:58:55 DocScrutinizer, hardly Oct 21 18:58:59 Noobmonk3y: the updateLabel() function declaration should be in a different section Oct 21 18:59:13 eeeek should it? Oct 21 18:59:21 you mean onUpdateLabel? Oct 21 18:59:22 yeah, it's a signal Oct 21 18:59:39 yeah OnUpdateLabel is elsewhere Oct 21 18:59:44 tis in the gui class Oct 21 18:59:53 the variable updatelabel is there though Oct 21 18:59:54 it should have the keyword "signals:" on the line above it Oct 21 19:00:05 like how the word "public:" is Oct 21 19:00:14 oh! Oct 21 19:00:17 ok not got one of them Oct 21 19:00:22 the SIGNAL/SLOT concept is nice, but not easily to understand on first take Oct 21 19:00:29 indeed Oct 21 19:00:55 agreed Oct 21 19:00:57 anything in the "signals:" section should be declared as a function, but not defined Oct 21 19:01:00 not easy to, or not easily understood Oct 21 19:01:48 Doc: Feels easy enough to me Oct 21 19:01:59 Doc: Actually exists in GTK too Oct 21 19:02:11 nah, gtk's is different Oct 21 19:02:16 to me as well, but I've seen lots of people not getting the basic concept Oct 21 19:02:16 lol Oct 21 19:02:22 * Noobmonk3y doesnt get it lol Oct 21 19:02:28 Now, all the funny limitations Qt applies to it may be difficult to understand Oct 21 19:02:33 and if qtcreator let me up this to GIT, i would :P Oct 21 19:02:35 if i find that after many minutes of not actively using my wireless network, my n900 appears to be connected to it but cannot actually ping anything, does that mean that I have one of those routers with a buggy implementation of power-saving? Oct 21 19:02:40 Noob: YOu should probably start by learning generic C++, not Qt Oct 21 19:02:50 RST38h: meh yeah, thats time :( Oct 21 19:03:00 Noob: Once you know what a "declaration" is, things will get easier Oct 21 19:03:01 BCMM: yes Oct 21 19:03:02 learning generic c++ doesn't help with the signals/slots Oct 21 19:03:10 that's qt specific Oct 21 19:03:57 that's a generic bus- or client/server concept basically Oct 21 19:04:39 ieatlint: learing generic c++ helps learning Qt Oct 21 19:04:42 well, if you learn qt before c++, going to c++ will be a bitch once you realise all the weird shit qt tacks on top Oct 21 19:04:51 because Qt is a C++ framework Oct 21 19:05:15 yeah Oct 21 19:05:36 it's like this hacked c++ with its own preprocessors and such :P Oct 21 19:05:42 it's insane to learn Qt without profunf C++ knowledge, as is learning C++ without knowing shit about C Oct 21 19:05:49 ieatlint: if i put it under signals, my new error is undefined reference to 'MyThread::updatelabel(Qstring)' Oct 21 19:05:58 It's like learning GTK instead of learning C. Oct 21 19:06:01 It makes no snes. Oct 21 19:06:11 definitely does not make any snes. Oct 21 19:06:12 Noobmonk3y: capitalisation Oct 21 19:06:17 nes too =) Oct 21 19:06:21 sorry Oct 21 19:06:24 updateLabel Oct 21 19:06:25 n64? Oct 21 19:06:29 the error was right ;) Oct 21 19:06:34 thats very profunf... :) Oct 21 19:06:44 err, so the error is still there with the correct capitalisation you mean? Oct 21 19:07:04 yup Oct 21 19:07:26 repaste code then Oct 21 19:07:35 or update that pastebin.. Oct 21 19:07:45 neekers: that's my typo! give it back! Oct 21 19:07:54 heh Oct 21 19:08:04 http://pastebin.com/c5vCFMwm Oct 21 19:08:38 ieatlint: updating pastebins seems doesn't work like expected Oct 21 19:08:53 hehe Oct 21 19:08:54 n32! Oct 21 19:09:04 hah "whenever you see a man who is well groomed you can be sure he's not gettin any" - niles Oct 21 19:09:29 Noobmonk3y: where is that error occuring? does it reference any files other than the one holding the MyThread class? Oct 21 19:09:47 or does the error follow up with a statement like "candidates:" Oct 21 19:09:48 it is coming from that function Oct 21 19:10:07 void updateLabel( QString str ); is squiggly underlined Oct 21 19:10:30 when i hover over it says 'You forgot the Q_OBJECT macro' Oct 21 19:10:38 ooooh Oct 21 19:10:44 You forgot Q_OBJECT mactothen. Oct 21 19:10:50 It should occur right after class { Oct 21 19:10:51 lol RST38h Oct 21 19:10:53 hehe Oct 21 19:10:58 nah, he's right Oct 21 19:11:03 Its like learning to be a mechanic in chinese, starting with the hardest words first lol Oct 21 19:11:09 first line of the class should be "Q_OBJECT" Oct 21 19:11:16 no semicolon required Oct 21 19:11:19 But I still think, Noob, that you are doing something you ought not Oct 21 19:11:26 Learn C++ FIRST. Oct 21 19:11:33 No, really. Oct 21 19:11:45 THEN fiddle with Qt. Oct 21 19:11:48 lmfao! Oct 21 19:11:53 not to you to my errors Oct 21 19:12:06 well i'm learning as i go, except for threading lol Oct 21 19:12:12 * RST38h glances at the TV where a huge octopus is feasting on a diver Oct 21 19:12:13 wanna get this working, then it should be easier :P Oct 21 19:12:29 ok hopefully last error, now squiggly has gone! Oct 21 19:12:40 do you know any other programming languages? Oct 21 19:12:44 No, it will not get easier. Oct 21 19:12:47 DocScrutinizer: thanks Oct 21 19:12:55 python, VB, Assembly(ish), ADA, Pascal Oct 21 19:12:57 It will just get more and more confusing. Believe me, I have been through this. Oct 21 19:13:07 umm, forgot for what. yw BCMM Oct 21 19:13:09 1800 nokia jobs to go. booohooo Oct 21 19:13:14 you may want to look at pyqt Oct 21 19:13:19 DocScrutinizer: wireless power-saving stupidness Oct 21 19:13:26 aah Oct 21 19:13:36 hmmm i have done pyqt Oct 21 19:13:43 previous version of what i'm designing was done in it Oct 21 19:13:46 1:0 for the Tentacled One Oct 21 19:13:52 BCMM: I see lags of up to 60s here Oct 21 19:13:55 the C++ is meant to be the new better healthcheck Oct 21 19:13:56 DocScrutinizer: also referring to stuff quite a while ago, how would you recommend learning the C++ required for Qt? Oct 21 19:14:00 Continue using PyQT then Oct 21 19:14:13 *OR* learn damn C++. Without Qt. Oct 21 19:14:20 meh meh meh Oct 21 19:14:23 mehhhhhhhhhh Oct 21 19:14:29 meh indeedy Oct 21 19:14:32 I usually suggest starting with C or assembler, then move on to C++ naturally Oct 21 19:14:45 I dont have 2 years, the n900 will be gone by then lol Oct 21 19:14:48 starting with assembler? :P Oct 21 19:14:52 i mean, what materials? Oct 21 19:14:52 i did lol Oct 21 19:14:55 that's a bit overkill Oct 21 19:15:06 but assembler and n900.... might take a while Oct 21 19:15:08 ieatlint: or modula :-P Oct 21 19:15:09 i learnt c, then c++ Oct 21 19:15:27 made c++ just a big discussion about OOP and how c++ does it Oct 21 19:15:35 well even C might work, as long as you keep away from actual code Oct 21 19:15:42 and a lot of "remember how you used to malloc stuff? stop that" Oct 21 19:15:51 hahaha Oct 21 19:16:10 ieatlint: a bad advice Oct 21 19:16:27 well, not a rule :P Oct 21 19:16:29 No, allocating memory is generally a bad idea in any case. Oct 21 19:16:45 but using the c++ methods is safer and saner Oct 21 19:16:52 a better advice would be "you're doing malloc implicitly now, which makes it a bit more obfuscated sometimes" Oct 21 19:17:01 ieatlint: Hahahaha. Oct 21 19:17:05 ieatlint: That is a good one. Oct 21 19:17:09 derf: :P Oct 21 19:17:47 yeah, i'm still a c guy... if it weren't for this qt crap, i'd still happily be there swearing at gtk Oct 21 19:18:09 Swearing at GTK... it's the way things should be. Oct 21 19:18:34 there's nothing worse than a coder with no clue what's going on at assembler / plain c malloc et al level, when he's juggling with those friggin objects Oct 21 19:18:50 that's why C++ actually becomes a lame language Oct 21 19:19:24 holy fucksocks Oct 21 19:19:27 i fixed the error! Oct 21 19:19:37 yeah, i admittedly don't like c++ doing it all for me... feels lazy, and i'm just trusting it's not unnecessarily duping mem and that it frees it automatically way too much Oct 21 19:19:40 moved the run function up into the top part :) Oct 21 19:19:54 the syntax errors or the semantic ones as well? :-P Oct 21 19:20:00 with c, i know exactly what was going on Oct 21 19:20:12 time to test! Oct 21 19:20:50 and i'm still depressed when i am asked in an interview what's wrong with this function: int blah() { int i = 5; return &i; } Oct 21 19:20:59 and they tell me most people get it wrong Oct 21 19:21:08 LOL Oct 21 19:21:22 ok, runs fine, but now object connect error on the connect slot lol Oct 21 19:21:27 muhaha rotfl Oct 21 19:21:30 Object::connect: No such slot hcMainWindow::onUpdateLabel( QString ) in hcmainwindow.cpp:49 Oct 21 19:21:35 lols Oct 21 19:21:42 its like kiss chase c++ stylee Oct 21 19:21:45 DocScrutinizer: i've heard it several times ... it sounds like a joke, it's not Oct 21 19:21:59 OMFG Oct 21 19:22:51 and of the two major things wrong on that, apparently some people will actually use int to pass pointer addresses Oct 21 19:22:53 Code monkeys are a dime a dozen. Oct 21 19:23:12 and it will actually work... sometimes.. on some systems Oct 21 19:23:13 Hey, if it works, right? :D Oct 21 19:23:22 haha, kinda the problem Oct 21 19:23:29 and it's returning a pointer to neverland Oct 21 19:23:31 "hey, it didn't error, it must be right!" Oct 21 19:23:31 anyway Oct 21 19:23:51 sorry, one beginners question. is the extras-devel repository and the freemantle distribution the same as freemantle-1.3? Oct 21 19:24:06 and if I added extras-devel, should I deactivate extras then? Oct 21 19:25:29 ieatlint: honestly looks like a POC for a stack based exploit :-P Oct 21 19:26:18 DocScrutinizer: apparently most poeple who apply for programming jobs don't know terms like stack or heap Oct 21 19:26:20 and the ugly thing with C: you can do it, and nobody will complain - well maybe lint Oct 21 19:26:32 and "learn" pointers on a trial and error process Oct 21 19:26:44 :nod: Oct 21 19:26:50 most people who apply for programming jobs do not even know how computer works Oct 21 19:26:51 which is to say, just keep adding or removing & and * until it compiles and doesn't segfault right away Oct 21 19:27:13 keeping the segfaulting for later Oct 21 19:27:25 but it all does not matter of course, you are being hired on the basis of how meek you are Oct 21 19:27:30 DocScrutinizer: hehe, i've had this nickname since longer than i knew how to program, but it's made me smile thanks to lint Oct 21 19:28:06 i'm actually known as "lint" by some friends in real life, who were kind enough to buy me a copy of the lint book circa 1980-something Oct 21 19:28:09 is there some place where you can have "online virtual machines"? Oct 21 19:28:43 lots of places Oct 21 19:28:54 errr, like in... ? Oct 21 19:28:58 Goliath24: Yes: http://jsspeccy.zxdemo.org/ Oct 21 19:29:04 amazon ec2, gogrid, and probably a few thousand smaller companies Oct 21 19:29:06 download wm-images? Oct 21 19:29:16 vm* Oct 21 19:29:27 or cloud computing? Oct 21 19:29:29 RST38h, that's the scary thing I've found in a lot of people in computer science and engineering tracks. Oct 21 19:29:41 They know jack shit about computers and electronics. Oct 21 19:29:44 RST38h: hehe Oct 21 19:29:46 or a vserver? Oct 21 19:30:04 GAN: scares the shit out of me every time I interview them =( Oct 21 19:30:08 DocScrutinizer: "cloud computing" I guess. but I'm not a buzzword expert Oct 21 19:30:28 amazon and google iirc Oct 21 19:30:41 well, the sad thing is that i know this shit, and can't seem to get a job programming Oct 21 19:31:07 ieatlint: not meek enough Oct 21 19:31:09 thing is, my daughter is sleeping in the room with the desktop pc, so I need some virtual machine to install scratchbox on, my laptop doesn't have enough space, and its a bit tiring to wait for the autobuilder queue on each iteration.. Oct 21 19:31:30 is it free? amazon and google? Oct 21 19:31:59 RST38h: eh, more an issue of lack of professional programming experience and no degree Oct 21 19:32:10 nope Oct 21 19:32:26 not afaik Oct 21 19:32:30 ieatlint: where are you located? ;) Oct 21 19:32:30 ieatlint: get a freaking degree, BS in CS shouldn't be that hard Oct 21 19:33:02 Germany here - as ieatlint 's problem applies to me as well :-P Oct 21 19:33:16 bah, i've given up on school... i don't need to go read more classic english literature and write some essays about it Oct 21 19:33:27 i'm in california Oct 21 19:33:34 DocScrutinizer: I work at siemens and we could use some good ppl! ;) Oct 21 19:34:01 np, been at Siemes several times for different jobs Oct 21 19:34:03 unfortunately i'm not in the position to make decisions. :) Oct 21 19:34:12 Geraetewerk Erlangen CIM Oct 21 19:34:17 ah. Oct 21 19:34:23 for example Oct 21 19:34:26 long ago Oct 21 19:34:39 those good old M70 Oct 21 19:35:30 M70 a gun?! ;) Oct 21 19:35:38 lol Oct 21 19:35:58 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/buliscores/0.0.2-3/ Oct 21 19:36:03 w000p ieatlint no errors, it runs :) - but does nothing lol Oct 21 19:36:04 http://www.tentacle.franken.de/m80/index.html Oct 21 19:36:10 why don't I see the file. it says build succeeded Oct 21 19:36:17 Noobmonk3y: congrats, you've solved the complicated noop Oct 21 19:36:21 hehehe! Oct 21 19:36:22 ish! Oct 21 19:37:00 Goliath24: and btw, if you want to look at virtualisation, they typically charge by the hour Oct 21 19:37:10 if i recall right, amazon ec2 is $0.19/hr Oct 21 19:37:25 ieatlint: I thought more of "free" :) Oct 21 19:37:36 yeah, good luck with that :P Oct 21 19:37:37 ieatlint: but thanks for the info! Oct 21 19:37:50 I will create a VM on an usb disk or so Oct 21 19:38:14 for now the autobuilder works okay, I just want to fix my widget so that it installs at least -.- Oct 21 19:38:20 ieatlint: You can always tak women's studies classes instead =) Oct 21 19:38:23 take Oct 21 19:38:59 RST38h: i don't hate myself that much Oct 21 19:39:18 too many hippies in this area... a class like that would be too painful Oct 21 19:40:12 Goliath24: who's "we" regarding Siemens? UBxy? Oct 21 19:40:19 location? Oct 21 19:40:37 UBxy? Oct 21 19:40:52 UnernehmensBereich, like UBMED Oct 21 19:41:01 probably obsolete terms Oct 21 19:41:02 Goliath24: well, you might be able to find someone who will offer you a shell account on their server with a toolchain Oct 21 19:41:07 DocScrutinizer: it's Healthcare. a small development site near frankfurt. formally part of a company called "dade behring" Oct 21 19:41:28 dade, like michael dade? Oct 21 19:41:37 DocScrutinizer: probably not. dade behring was bought in 2007 by siemens and I still don't have a clue about siemens termonology! Oct 21 19:42:36 DocScrutinizer: michael dade? dunno. behring like this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_Adolf_von_Behring Oct 21 19:42:39 ieatlint: history classes then Oct 21 19:43:00 ieatlint: plenty of carnage, betrayal, and other irony Oct 21 19:43:30 ieatlint: I have a server myself. I could install it there. might be an idea. not tonight, though. I think I prefer a virtualbox or vm Oct 21 19:44:14 RST38h: not really a realistic option for many different reasons... i'll manage Oct 21 19:44:39 is there an "open in new window" in Diablo's Microb? Oct 21 19:45:01 I'm pretty sure I didn't read any classic English literature in college. Oct 21 19:45:24 * RST38h actually did, believe it or not Oct 21 19:45:53 Though the English class I did take was one of the most valuable of all my undergrad classes. Oct 21 19:45:55 Faerie Queene etc Oct 21 19:46:03 * thopiekar cant beleave that the developtment on carman has stopped.. Oct 21 19:46:21 DocScrutinizer: behring diagnostic was bought by Dade before and before that all was höchst :) Oct 21 19:46:51 we have ppl there that changed their company name 4 times without leaving their office. strange ... Oct 21 19:47:08 Goliath24: probably m uncle Michael at UBMED is just a coincidence Oct 21 19:47:24 :) Oct 21 19:47:49 though he's been involved in MRT development a lot Oct 21 19:47:58 carman is a great software.. i'll get in the next days from hong kong a odb2 bt device that costs less then 20euro Oct 21 19:48:34 ah, yes. MRT is an older siemens business. now they bought the rest of things that could be needed in an hospital for diagnostics (bayer, DPC, Dade Behring) Oct 21 19:50:20 A routine flight in the Democratic Republic of Congo turned deadly when a crocodile escaped from a passenger's duffle bag. According to the flight's sole human survivor, panicking passengers fled into the cockpit and caused the pilot to lose control. Oct 21 19:50:22 ieatlint, yeah, I agree with you, but you gotta do it anyway. Oct 21 19:50:22 One of those stupid gatekeeping things you gotta do. Oct 21 19:50:42 how can i switch between channels in irssi? Oct 21 19:50:51 via /j? Oct 21 19:51:23 /win N Oct 21 19:51:49 or alt+n Oct 21 19:52:00 or mod2+n Oct 21 19:52:17 ctrl-n ctrl-p ctrl-a works too Oct 21 19:53:16 thanks Oct 21 20:01:22 hm Oct 21 20:01:43 why is OpenTTD not launching on the N810? Oct 21 20:02:15 whats says the xterm? Oct 21 20:08:14 http://ask.slashdot.org/story/10/10/21/1830212/Open-Source-Friendly-Smartphones-For-the-Small-Office Oct 21 20:08:23 is this something for our n900 ^ Oct 21 20:08:43 slashdot is odd today Oct 21 20:09:04 i think they're redesigning it again Oct 21 20:09:25 lcuk: "synchronize easily with the calendars and contact data on each owner's desktop machine"? Oct 21 20:09:31 we can do that now? Oct 21 20:09:49 idk,canwe Oct 21 20:11:00 last i looked sync was basically a bit broken Oct 21 20:12:56 BCMM, then show/tell/writeup where its broken and see what can be done on the meego side Oct 21 20:13:13 lcuk: i can't really remember now Oct 21 20:13:36 all i can really remember is that, at the time, there didn't seem to be a way to sync easily with KDEPIM Oct 21 20:14:11 ah well, i'm a fanboy so i'll still spend all my mod points on people promoting the n900 Oct 21 20:15:03 mod points? Oct 21 20:16:36 Venemo_N810: slashdot's moderation system works by giving people like me 5 "mod points" occasionally Oct 21 20:16:56 BCMM, ah, okay Oct 21 20:16:56 hey ArGGu^^ , how is your app going? Oct 21 20:16:57 which can be used to modify a post's score Oct 21 20:17:07 ArGGu^^: you have a special nick that is hard to forget Oct 21 20:17:13 it means mods don't power-trip and dominate a conversation Oct 21 20:17:18 is it like stackoverflow? Oct 21 20:17:58 Venemo_N810: i don't know Oct 21 20:18:32 k Oct 21 20:18:42 Venemo_N810: it's quite a complex system, tuned over the years to rapidly hide trolls and spam while making moderation abuse difficult Oct 21 20:19:11 I dunno, never been on that site yet Oct 21 20:19:12 posts have a score, and most users choose not to see low-scored posts Oct 21 20:19:17 does anybody have ideas how to find out why the jabber voice talk might suddenly stop working Oct 21 20:19:27 but it sounds like StackOverlow Oct 21 20:20:15 a algorithm that depends on quite a few things decides who gets mod points, and mod points each influence a post's score by +/-1 Oct 21 20:23:31 BCMM: there is going to be a way, an akonadi backend already exists, part of SoC project with a very nice guy I'm working with to develop a pure Qt UI so it might be included somewhere somehow in meego Oct 21 20:23:47 BCMM: let me find you his blog for posts and updates Oct 21 20:25:09 BCMM: http://saidinesh5.wordpress.com/ Oct 21 20:39:53 sivang I have not had any time to continue coding the app, but I going to try find some time this weekend Oct 21 20:40:18 Too much school work :S Oct 21 20:42:35 And i have little problem to figure out how I'm going to make the hidden channel/names lists that can be unhide with sweep Oct 21 20:42:46 geez, what is going on with jabber voice Oct 21 21:02:03 aha. Oct 21 21:02:16 i think google messed something up Oct 21 21:21:13 good night guys Oct 21 21:26:47 Tonight: http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/4867/img0161i.jpg Oct 21 21:28:53 wow, what city is that? Oct 21 21:29:19 simcity Oct 21 21:29:37 TONIGHT Oct 21 21:29:37 YOU Oct 21 21:30:15 kerio, Hand Banana! Oct 21 21:32:54 lo GAN900 Oct 21 21:33:08 no more banana Oct 21 21:33:31 can someone please try to install buliscores from extras-devel and tell me if it works? Oct 21 21:40:43 Morning Oct 21 21:41:09 could anyone confirm me that on this page : Oct 21 21:41:10 http://wiki.maemo.org/Accelerometers Oct 21 21:41:18 "Sitting on table(left edge down)" is wrong? Oct 21 21:41:20 hiya TermanaDesire Oct 21 21:41:54 oh Oct 21 21:42:08 disregard that, I think I'm swapping this somewhere.. Oct 21 21:42:50 javispedro, yeah you are i just confirmed it Oct 21 21:43:04 thanks lcuk! Oct 21 21:44:28 when sat on desk on its stand would be another one: 0,-450,-900 (ish) Oct 21 21:45:23 so, with almost half a week with my N900, I've got to say that one of the biggest weaknesses is the lack of hardware navigation buttons like Android mandates. (Home, Back, End, and Call in particular. Menu would be good too) Oct 21 21:46:15 ah, what a great time to live in... i fill out a form on a website, and 30min later unhealthy food is delivered to my door Oct 21 21:46:48 javis: accelerometer docs are correct Oct 21 21:46:53 ieatlint, wow, you work too hard! Oct 21 21:46:57 * SpeedEvil has done 99.9% of grocery shopping in last year online. Oct 21 21:47:09 lcuk: dude, i have to walk all the way to the door when they knock Oct 21 21:47:11 for thousands of years mankind has been able to merely shout for dinner from his wife :P Oct 21 21:47:33 you must be mixing up the hunter gathering with the cooking ;) Oct 21 21:47:37 With the aid of wget, awk and friends to sort by price. Oct 21 21:47:38 yeah, I'm starting to become crazy after rotating and rotating and rescaling stuff Oct 21 21:47:47 oh, i do that with my gf... but she's not here right now Oct 21 21:48:00 lcuk: I am afraid that is gone now, too. Oct 21 21:48:09 RST38h, yes Oct 21 21:48:43 * RST38h mourns decline of humanity, etc Oct 21 21:51:11 sleep time Oct 21 21:53:01 ooh, 2.6.36 is out Oct 21 21:58:58 Completely random query. I'm looking for some stock/book-keeping package, that will enable me to track both budget, and stuff like how many bean-cans I have, and how much stock I have at average use-rate of them. Oct 21 21:59:20 I don't expect this to be on maemo - but is there a generic linux package? Oct 21 22:05:56 ArGGu^^: same here, been busy again with day job to heavily. I'm considering though only concentrating in mobile development and working on meego stuff.. Oct 21 22:09:03 moin Oct 21 22:15:45 oh wow, seems something in gtalk changed; can't get a connection with my n900 anymore Oct 21 22:16:05 anybody using gtalk to n900? Oct 21 22:19:02 turn wifi on. Oct 21 22:22:00 sivang ok Oct 21 22:27:32 crashanddie: it is more than that- I've been having trouble connecting to gmail the last week or so, even though everything was set network wise. Oct 21 22:27:42 crashanddie: I wonder if some protocol patch is neded. Oct 21 22:27:44 needed. Oct 21 22:28:10 corecode == sivang? Oct 21 22:30:03 crashanddie: hrm no :) but I just noted I also experienced this issue lately Oct 21 22:30:21 not had any issues here Oct 21 22:30:31 probably your ISP/mobile provider doing some foo. Oct 21 22:30:36 crashanddie: it does seem to be better through 3G data , so yes :) Oct 21 22:30:49 crashanddie: still take a while to login, but eventually succeeds. Oct 21 22:33:37 crashanddie: how's that project going that you told me about? Oct 21 22:34:42 * sivang is hacking on a pyhon based key/value store with plugin backend architecture Oct 21 22:47:22 oh, yet another company using the maemo.org (old) logo Oct 21 22:47:29 as maemo logo Oct 21 22:47:46 http://www.dataviz.com/ Oct 21 22:49:42 Well... Oct 21 22:49:48 My n900 is dead Oct 21 22:50:46 Someone in the family allowed it to take a swim for a while it seems Oct 21 22:53:55 I can not find Maep cache files anyway!! Oct 21 22:54:04 But thats claet Oct 21 22:55:02 thats clear it does not download maps more than one time Oct 21 22:55:19 TermanaDesire: :( Oct 21 22:58:55 SpeedEvil - I am a sad panda. And I don't think drying it out will help. The sim tray is discoloured so, I think in the water for too long Oct 21 22:58:56 It was in* Oct 21 22:59:35 TermanaDesire: :/ Oct 21 23:00:00 TermanaDesire: if I get to work for a major phone vendor and its software products I promis to buy you a new one and send it to you Oct 21 23:00:07 :) Oct 21 23:01:00 Ha ha thanks sivang ;p Oct 21 23:01:28 TermanaDesire: although this things annoys me greatly, just as someone bumped into me in Munich and trashed the iris of the N900 camera and it is now squicky and broken, still you have to udnerstand this are just things :) and people are more important, although those amazing devices can help keep you company when people are not avail or failed you :)| Oct 21 23:01:31 I know some people that will. Be happy though Oct 21 23:01:57 TermanaDesire: that will buy you a new N900 ? Oct 21 23:02:29 Desire users. Since I'll be making sure meego works good on it now, instead of just my half hearted port Oct 21 23:03:01 :( Oct 21 23:04:23 SpeedEvil: ? Oct 21 23:04:49 ^ Oct 21 23:05:21 TermanaDesire: remove batery *immediately* Oct 21 23:05:33 hey DocScrutinizer Oct 21 23:05:39 DocScrutinizer: already have Oct 21 23:05:46 i used to have a calendar synced using exchange sync on my n900 Oct 21 23:05:51 but i apparently don't anymore Oct 21 23:06:04 but i have all the stuff in my calendar still Oct 21 23:06:11 whats the best way to delete all of that stuff? Oct 21 23:06:15 TermanaDesire: then dry the device for at least 2 weeks, at a warm place Oct 21 23:06:30 its alive!!!! Oct 21 23:06:36 or can be brought, alive Oct 21 23:06:39 at least. Oct 21 23:06:46 * sivang feels like Frenkenstein Oct 21 23:07:47 sivang: Ha ha. Well I hope this works and brings it alive Oct 21 23:08:33 DocScrutinizer: okey dokey thanks. Now to find somewhere warm Oct 21 23:09:38 TermanaDesire: was the water sufficiently clean? or you should really rinse the device with demineralized water Oct 21 23:09:42 ouch, sorry to hear that. Oct 21 23:10:26 DocScrutinizer: not sure. I woke up and found it out of the water Oct 21 23:10:38 which water? Oct 21 23:11:11 a muddy lake with fish and green? Oct 21 23:11:19 DocScrutinizer: I don't know, it wasn't near water when I found it Oct 21 23:11:31 a toilet with cleaner chemicals? Oct 21 23:11:38 magic water! Oct 21 23:11:47 No, it would have been some sort of sink water I would say Oct 21 23:15:21 TermanaDesire: well, usually electronic devices have no water soluble substances inside that can break from water. It's just the corrosion from water + voltage, or the dirt in the water remaining between contacts after H2O evaporated. So if you're removing all voltage sources fast enough, and thoroughly dry the device, and there's no residues left from dirt in the water, there should be a fair chance to recover it Oct 21 23:16:20 sivang: yea Oct 21 23:16:27 sivang: something is fishy Oct 21 23:16:28 speakers etc might suffer Oct 21 23:17:23 wtf it works Oct 21 23:17:28 from linux Oct 21 23:17:30 gah. Oct 21 23:17:36 maybe the windows thing doesn't work Oct 21 23:28:56 http://blogs.sun.com/brendan/entry/unusual_disk_latency Unusual Disk Latency discovered in server room. (no spoilers) Oct 21 23:46:13 hehe Oct 21 23:50:27 old but still funny :) Oct 21 23:50:32 http://www.serverwatch.com/news/article.php/3889516/Tilera-Quanta-Bank-on-Low-Power-High-Density-Web-Servers.htm Oct 22 00:21:01 * DocScrutinizer sighs, just for the sigh Oct 22 00:23:01 http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/21/apples-mac-app-store-review-guidelines-posted-will-photoshop/ Oct 22 00:23:34 virtually as restricting as iphone's, or even worse Oct 22 00:23:51 "no games of russian roulette" wtf?? Oct 22 00:24:17 maybe that relates to chatroulette? :) Oct 22 00:25:12 also, you cannot portray apple as an enemy in your shooting game =) Oct 22 00:25:50 haha Oct 22 00:26:50 oh god, they're doing it all again Oct 22 00:27:16 * nox- wonders when osx will need to be `jailbroken' too... Oct 22 00:27:17 the anti-competitive clause... "Apps that look similar to Apple Products or apps bundled on the Mac, including the Finder, iChat, iTunes, and Dashboard, will be rejected" Oct 22 00:28:08 nox-: that's just scaremongering... there is absolutely no discussion or suggestion from anything even kind of reliable to suggest that apple will restrict software like that on osx Oct 22 00:28:12 nox-: what do you think they are doing it for Oct 22 00:28:36 As soon as enough apps are on the store and eeveryone is rosy Oct 22 00:28:38 they're doing it because it's an awesome way to make money -- look at steam Oct 22 00:28:38 Bam Oct 22 00:28:57 They will lock it down sand make you their bitch Oct 22 00:29:01 And* Oct 22 00:29:11 intel just launched a near-identical (but less restricted in various ways) version for windows last month Oct 22 00:29:17 Everything g* Oct 22 00:29:25 and are prepping for a linux release in the near future (meego target) Oct 22 00:29:37 * TermanaDesire kills virtual keyboard Oct 22 00:30:16 i will say i like this rule: 7.6 In general, the more expensive your app, the more thoroughly we will review it. Oct 22 00:30:48 mental note: make my first os x avail on app store for $0 Oct 22 00:30:56 *my first os x virus =) Oct 22 00:33:09 i have to say, i like that intel allows people to use gpl software in their app store (including handling the source code distribution for you) Oct 22 00:33:44 allows people to write an app under the gpl, and release it for $10 Oct 22 00:33:56 do they allow bsdl/mit/boostl too? Oct 22 00:34:18 i didn't ask... would need to look it up Oct 22 00:34:29 ok Oct 22 00:34:48 i would assume bsd at least Oct 22 00:34:54 nox-: they aren't copyleft so it doesn't matter Oct 22 00:34:54 i think they also said lgpl Oct 22 00:35:01 * DocScrutinizer powers up the MTHEL array and programs target identifying patterns for any sw coming from Cupertino for maemo Oct 22 00:36:04 well, they aren't copyleft, but there is the question if they'll handle source distribution for you without it being gpl, and display licences as required to end users Oct 22 00:36:05 TermanaDesire, ok Oct 22 00:38:11 * DocScrutinizer melts down a BTS tower with one of the MTHELs, just for the fun of it, and to test once more Oct 22 00:43:56 hmm, we got 6 TV chan here since ~1988, including RTL (RadioTelevisionLuxemburg). Some couple a' years ago all went DVBT and more chan and also actually less quality (artifacts etc). Now they claim they want to harvest the "digital payback" and use channels 60+ for some sorta weird WiMAX. RTL transponder is in that range, so now no more RTL over the air, first time since >20y. Hooray for technical progress Oct 22 00:47:38 DocScrutinizer: wouldn't be worse than here, where they have basically restandarized "national" dvb-t three times already and aiming for the fourth Oct 22 00:48:16 .... requiring new decoders where firmware was not updatable / decoder cpu not powerful enough ... Oct 22 00:48:18 isn't it nice how they always try to get the best for us (or was it *from* us?) Oct 22 00:49:54 that's 2010 technical progress for ya! Oct 22 00:50:11 heh, they've only ever changed the broadcast tv format once here since it was first introduced Oct 22 00:50:23 you know the movie "Contact" with Jodie Foster? Oct 22 00:50:31 one of my favourites Oct 22 00:50:55 in 10 years, when they answer, nobody here will have the equipment to decode :-S Oct 22 00:51:07 haha Oct 22 00:51:13 :P Oct 22 00:51:18 good point actually. Oct 22 00:51:29 a year ago or so I found a floppy of mine with .pcx pictures on it Oct 22 00:51:44 were not a OSS user, I would've had a hard time opening them... Oct 22 00:51:53 i like that .. "we can't change the tv broadcast format again! how will we be able to understand the aliens when they talk to us if we do?!" Oct 22 00:52:37 i've heard politicians say weirder things though Oct 22 00:52:44 for sciencie! Oct 22 00:52:47 bah. Oct 22 00:54:02 seriouuuusllllllllllly... why couldn't Nokia get some commercial game devs on board. Oct 22 00:54:42 cause commercial grade devels aren't allowed at Nokia :-P Oct 22 00:54:44 the 30th most popular games could all be ported in, like, 3 minutes. they're already ported from random weirdo mobile phones Oct 22 00:55:00 the pre does not have any drm at all, even the store is a damn debian repository Oct 22 00:55:06 so what's the excuse?? Oct 22 00:55:26 too niche Oct 22 00:55:47 maemo has reached end of life on the n900 Oct 22 00:55:49 *differentiation* X-P Oct 22 00:56:18 and guess what? the pre 1 is getting webos2 Oct 22 00:56:35 * javispedro has a "lack of faith moment"... hopefully there's no darth vader nearby to strangle him Oct 22 00:57:09 * DocScrutinizer snaeks up behind javispedro Oct 22 00:59:11 what stll most bothers me is a lack of decent maps Oct 22 00:59:35 * javispedro curses and blasphemes Oct 22 00:59:56 $ cp -r /some/nfs/big/dir/ . Oct 22 00:59:56 Bus error Oct 22 01:00:03 Just on the subject on TV broadcasts - here in Australia all analog TV is being switched off in December Oct 22 01:00:14 Merry Christmas! Oct 22 01:00:35 TermanaDesire: and a happy new analog^W digital year! Oct 22 01:00:42 TermanaDesire: happened here in the states recently Oct 22 01:01:10 how the fsck can a nfs read fail with bus error. Oct 22 01:11:13 Hi! Is anybody here using pidgin from -testing? Oct 22 01:26:21 javispedro: depends on what a buserror really means Oct 22 01:30:57 hey, just wondering how you hit the "Alt" key in the terminal of the N900? i'm running irssi, and can't seem to change the channel using alt (have the same trouble using Finch) Oct 22 01:31:01 thanks Oct 22 01:31:18 Esc is also meta-key Oct 22 01:32:14 so just hitting esc + 2 say would do it? Oct 22 01:33:26 excellent Oct 22 01:33:27 that works Oct 22 01:33:29 thanks so much Oct 22 01:33:29 ! Oct 22 01:36:17 NASA finds gold on the Moon! Oct 22 01:46:41 * DocScrutinizer finds a lint in his bellybutton Oct 22 01:47:13 * javispedro is surprised at the sgx's power... hmpf. Oct 22 01:47:24 ;) Oct 22 01:56:49 javispedro: that's the power of sgx Oct 22 01:57:24 http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/preenv/shots/game3.png (going to remove it soon...) Oct 22 01:59:36 javispedro: I meant all the quits - anyhow what game is that? :p Oct 22 02:00:11 I don't even know the full name =) Some Pre game. Oct 22 02:04:04 How is pre stuff sold - is there a marketplace? Oct 22 02:04:10 yep Oct 22 02:04:25 behind the scenes it is basically a repo Oct 22 02:04:31 ovi store-style. Oct 22 02:04:45 ah Oct 22 02:06:31 There are also homebrew apps -- including someone's port of my own SNES emulator -- but of course the screenshots aren't as flashy. Oct 22 02:08:45 No wonder Ari Jaaksi went to Palm/HP =) Oct 22 02:58:06 maaa **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 22 02:59:58 2010