**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 22 02:59:58 2010 Oct 22 03:00:29 good morning raster Oct 22 03:02:19 Termana: and a fine top 'o tha morning to ya! Oct 22 03:24:47 have anybody tried to get jdk or jre on n900 running? or is it really impossible? Oct 22 03:26:06 vdv: haven't tried yet - but it's on my todo list ;) Oct 22 03:27:56 jpinx-eeepc, do you maybe use some usenet reader? Oct 22 03:28:08 i thought I saw a jre in extras Oct 22 03:28:10 extras-* Oct 22 03:28:12 or atleast on tmo Oct 22 03:28:22 nope - for a money market application Oct 22 04:39:01 there's icetea6 in the repo, which is a jre Oct 22 04:39:25 javac is included too in fact... Oct 22 04:40:40 sorry, icedtea6, is the package name. Oct 22 05:49:10 Just out of curiosity, does talk.maemo.org stop responding once in a while for you guys? Oct 22 05:49:23 yeah Oct 22 05:49:30 there's a backup script problem i think Oct 22 05:49:58 That makes sense - CPU overload = no connections being handled? Oct 22 05:51:05 is maemo still being developed? like bugfixes etc? Oct 22 05:51:12 or is all the work put in meego? Oct 22 05:51:26 yes, there's bugfixes still but not features probably Oct 22 05:51:57 It depends on who's doing it. There are definately third-party developers still working on it. Nokia however... It's as Stskeeps said. Oct 22 05:52:34 k Oct 22 05:52:37 thx Oct 22 05:53:10 * RST38h moos at Stskeeps Oct 22 05:53:13 moo Oct 22 05:54:04 hmm tablets-dev down? Oct 22 05:54:17 need the EMMC image Oct 22 05:54:34 going for a full reset bugger still gives internal errors Oct 22 05:57:48 An error occurred while processing your request. Oct 22 05:57:49 Reference #97.c959d50.1287726738.5e594b6 Oct 22 05:57:58 internal errors? overclocked? Oct 22 05:57:58 :P Oct 22 05:57:58 for http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php Oct 22 05:58:05 Stskeeps: nope Oct 22 05:58:15 that's for the website Oct 22 05:58:25 I get internal errors with the sharing plugins Oct 22 05:58:33 Stskeeps: troll Oct 22 05:58:47 slonopotamus: no, seriously, people have been getting emmc bad sectors cos of overclocking Oct 22 05:58:49 basicly if i can't get it working today I'll switch to another phone (really need it) Oct 22 05:58:50 :P Oct 22 05:59:02 I didn't overclock my n900 Oct 22 05:59:18 What error are you running into, specifically? Oct 22 05:59:32 And, how to reproduce? Oct 22 05:59:40 RobbieThe1st: Internal Error: Application "Settings" closed Oct 22 05:59:47 when trying to add a sharing account Oct 22 05:59:48 i get good mmc sectors cos of overclocking Oct 22 05:59:56 and clear screen view :P Oct 22 06:00:02 oh, and good 3g connection Oct 22 06:00:14 RobbieThe1st: go to settings, then sharing accounts, add whatever you want and it crashes Oct 22 06:00:24 I'll try Oct 22 06:00:40 and OC makes my daughter sleep longer (she stops waking up at 6am if i overclock my n900) Oct 22 06:00:43 I'm trying the twitter one (that uses the pixelpipe) Oct 22 06:01:14 Stskeeps: those events have similar connection to OC as mmc bad blocks Oct 22 06:02:03 I don't see any twitter sharing account on mine Oct 22 06:02:07 slonopotamus: Yea, I don't have any issues either. Oct 22 06:02:07 been running into it for the last week Oct 22 06:02:19 RobbieThe1st: it's in the app manager Oct 22 06:02:48 Well, I'm guessing there's a glitch with that specific plugin then Oct 22 06:03:02 Probably -not- your N900 Oct 22 06:03:24 RobbieThe1st: you get the same error with the ovi plugin or the flickr plugin Oct 22 06:03:28 there are bugs about it Oct 22 06:03:33 with full traces Oct 22 06:03:41 waiting for them to be fixed Oct 22 06:03:44 Huh - I don't; I just get "input username and password" Oct 22 06:04:01 And as I don't have any accounts with any of those vendors... Oct 22 06:04:26 RobbieThe1st:https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10089 Oct 22 06:04:27 Bug 10089: Cannot create Flickr sharing account: "Internal error. Application 'Settings' closed." Oct 22 06:04:43 it's the same error Oct 22 06:05:52 So, point is, it's a glitch in the software. Flashing your eMMC's not going to help Oct 22 06:06:11 You can try installing a 3rd-party application that does something similar, or just go without Oct 22 06:06:23 bleh Oct 22 06:06:28 new phone then Oct 22 06:06:38 it's a shame I adore my n900 Oct 22 06:06:52 What the hell do you -need- twitter for anyway? Oct 22 06:07:23 RobbieThe1st: we have an internal status.net install (client I work for) and I need to upload certain pics to it Oct 22 06:07:24 Especially considering you have things like TweeGo, or just a web-browser... Oct 22 06:07:39 tweego doesn't work with pi.pe Oct 22 06:08:20 Hm... You could always ask about that in the TweeGo topic on the forums Oct 22 06:08:28 Or, what about simply using the browser? Oct 22 06:08:48 RobbieThe1st: that's a drag to upload pics Oct 22 06:08:52 that's how i do it now Oct 22 06:09:04 but it takes way too much time Oct 22 06:09:23 Hm... I'd make a post on the forums Oct 22 06:09:53 what for? there are already posts about the error, no fix resulted in that Oct 22 06:09:59 Being a Linux phone, I'm sure someone would have a solution like "download this script, then run ./twitterupload.sh ./path/to/upload/ Oct 22 06:10:51 The N900's greatness is in its -non- nokia stuff. Nokia, honestly, didn't do very well in making it. Oct 22 06:11:40 Hm... Oct 22 06:12:02 they did great with the hardware Oct 22 06:12:13 somewhat Oct 22 06:12:26 I love the "well our SoC supports these things, so let's make sure our phone supports them." Oct 22 06:12:29 I like the phone but it's weird i'd use to be able to do the pi.pe uploads Oct 22 06:12:49 the N900 is like an example of everything an OMAP3 will support Oct 22 06:12:50 http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Upload_Photos_to_TwitPic_with_Python_for_Symbian_Devices is this sort of what you want? Oct 22 06:13:35 that might help yes Oct 22 06:13:56 still annoyed that the software provided doesn't work Oct 22 06:13:58 You can try downloading and extracting it; Its Python, so it'd work Oct 22 06:14:28 So do the other 10,000+ people complaining on the forums Oct 22 06:14:30 sejo, by "software provided" you mean the 3rd-part sharing plugin? Oct 22 06:14:40 That too... Oct 22 06:14:47 no even the flickr one doesn't work Oct 22 06:14:49 nor the ovi one Oct 22 06:14:58 works for me (tm) Oct 22 06:15:10 I wonder if there's not something else going on ... Oct 22 06:16:07 there probably is that's why I wanted to flash it completely Oct 22 06:17:02 Well, you can always try Oct 22 06:17:07 if it were me (and I actually cared about the sharing plugin, and really wanted to prove where the bug was), I'd: 1) reflash firmware and eMMC 2) beat on the flickr plugin before even restoring your data Oct 22 06:17:34 then restore your data and play with flickr more, then install the twitter plugin Oct 22 06:17:34 johnx: that was the goal but I can't download the EMMC image Oct 22 06:17:43 maybe reverse those last two steps ... Oct 22 06:17:44 why not? Oct 22 06:17:50 ach now it works Oct 22 06:17:57 server gave an error Oct 22 06:18:00 you're welcome :) Oct 22 06:18:05 Reference #97.c959d50.1287726738.5e594b6 Oct 22 06:18:16 did you fix the server? Oct 22 06:18:22 my presence causes people to not be able to reproduce problems :) Oct 22 06:18:37 nah, I don't work for nokia Oct 22 06:18:59 LOL Oct 22 06:19:03 my job isn't to fix things, just take the credit Oct 22 06:19:20 hehe Oct 22 06:19:43 i think i might know you then Oct 22 06:20:10 so first the combined flash then the EMMC right? Oct 22 06:20:15 Wait an hour or so Oct 22 06:20:32 sejo, flash one, than the other without rebooting Oct 22 06:20:32 RobbieThe1st: eh? Oct 22 06:20:37 k Oct 22 06:20:41 as long as you don't reboot in between it doesn't matter Oct 22 06:20:45 k Oct 22 06:20:45 I assume it's a temporary priblem Oct 22 06:20:58 now here's an interesting thing, while playing with the sharing setup I managed to cause the same error as in the bug report Oct 22 06:20:59 it's been giving me problems since beginning of the week Oct 22 06:21:03 but I can't repro it ... Oct 22 06:21:31 johnx: try to add an account, delete it and add it again... it will fail Oct 22 06:21:58 nope Oct 22 06:22:51 hmm Oct 22 06:22:55 deleted, re-added, validated (ovi) Oct 22 06:23:12 I don't want to risk losing my flickr profile and needing to reflash :) Oct 22 06:23:28 you could also probably add your account through gconf Oct 22 06:23:42 or clean up the settings related to it Oct 22 06:24:01 johnx: if I found it I could indeed Oct 22 06:24:13 want a hint? Oct 22 06:24:19 sure Oct 22 06:24:37 i deleted the .signond/userinfo.xml Oct 22 06:24:41 but that didn't help Oct 22 06:26:33 Hm... can it be manually entered via vim? Oct 22 06:26:51 Being a Linux system, I assume so, if you can find the right config file Oct 22 06:27:14 well I looked at it... but it was all garbled Oct 22 06:27:18 no xml in there Oct 22 06:27:19 wild. looks like it's really config'ed on disk instead of in gconf Oct 22 06:27:39 johnx: but where? Oct 22 06:27:43 in the signond? Oct 22 06:27:44 dunno Oct 22 06:27:47 but it's not in gconf Oct 22 06:28:11 nope it isn't Oct 22 06:28:12 I did: gconftool -R / | grep -C10 -i sharing Oct 22 06:28:20 i should strace it Oct 22 06:28:35 I found /apps/maemo/sharing with a key (?) "done = true" Oct 22 06:28:41 but that doesn't make much sense Oct 22 06:29:05 also, I don't have a .signond at all Oct 22 06:29:18 Ask Sts? Oct 22 06:29:21 hmm Oct 22 06:29:22 I have a .signon but its contents are "user_db.xml" (which is binary) Oct 22 06:29:24 i don't know jack Oct 22 06:29:24 :P Oct 22 06:29:31 yeah that's the one Oct 22 06:29:36 RobbieThe1st, nah. I need him to get back to work on MeeGo Oct 22 06:29:41 * johnx cracks the whipe Oct 22 06:29:49 s/whipe/whip/ Oct 22 06:29:53 <- tired Oct 22 06:31:05 wow. I have no idea what kind of data is contained in that file ... Oct 22 06:31:23 and neither does the 'file' command on my desktop Oct 22 06:32:03 soooo, good luck. I've got work stuff to do, but if you need me to double-check something you can ping me Oct 22 06:32:14 johnx: k thx anyway Oct 22 06:33:49 *yawn* Oct 22 06:41:31 morning chaps Oct 22 06:42:01 anyone know if QtMobility contacts works on the N900 contacts data yet? Oct 22 06:47:23 lardman|home, at least it's supposed to: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.0/#platform-compatibility Oct 22 07:13:56 johnx: after full reflash everything works Oct 22 07:14:02 now to reinstall the apps i had :p Oct 22 07:23:58 sejo, darn. I wished I asked you to do a dump of gconf's /apps/maemo/sharing Oct 22 07:31:24 morning geeks Oct 22 07:31:31 arf Oct 22 07:31:35 morning Oct 22 07:31:43 hey sejo, how are you? Oct 22 07:31:47 johnx: if i ever reflash it i'll do it Oct 22 07:31:51 apologies for yesterday, btw Oct 22 07:32:00 crashanddie: good, finally got the twitpic stuff working Oct 22 07:32:11 integration with the API? Oct 22 07:32:16 crashanddie: no apologies needed... Oct 22 07:32:20 Or with the media sharing thingie on N900? Oct 22 07:32:26 crashanddie: media sharing Oct 22 07:32:28 nice Oct 22 07:32:47 it doesn't crash anymore a full reset (EMMC and COMBINED) was needed though Oct 22 07:48:44 helo Oct 22 07:49:15 i have a queation this tweak flah ive reading about its bad isnt it? Oct 22 07:49:37 is there an alt way to update flah for maemo 5? Oct 22 07:49:50 no Oct 22 07:49:54 adobe or marcomedia Oct 22 07:50:00 i see Oct 22 07:50:08 or rather, yes, it's bad; no, there's no way to upgrade it Oct 22 07:50:10 o___0 Oct 22 07:50:35 its a shame for a portable computer to not be able to update flash player Oct 22 07:50:56 blame adobe Oct 22 07:51:16 or nokia witch lock it rite? Oct 22 07:51:24 they don't release an updated linux arm version, and we don't get it Oct 22 07:51:34 lock what? Oct 22 07:51:46 no, there is no lock of any kind like that on the phone Oct 22 07:52:12 well as far as i know nokia they lock things like flash players on most phones from being updateing Oct 22 07:52:37 so is there no marcomedia as alt? Oct 22 07:52:51 or shockwave Oct 22 07:52:59 i can't speak to symbian, but on maemo, there is no lock like that, at all Oct 22 07:52:59 macromedia was bought by adobe Oct 22 07:53:01 w\e they are called Oct 22 07:53:04 i see Oct 22 07:53:07 Flash is a proprietary software from Adobe. If they don't compile one for ARM, then there is no Flash. Oct 22 07:53:22 sad Oct 22 07:53:23 were adobe to release an updated linux arm flash player, it would work on the phone, with or without nokia's consent Oct 22 07:53:25 they've done one ages ago, that's the one you've go Oct 22 07:53:26 t Oct 22 07:53:48 and no, you can upgrade flash if you can compile the source for it which Adobe will never offer for free Oct 22 07:54:27 adobe-flashplayer is actually visible inside installed packages Oct 22 07:54:42 i see same thing happends with microsoft silverlight Oct 22 07:55:36 some pages needs silvelight witch phones dont support Oct 22 07:56:52 and there isnt a browser that has flash plugins that be able to update? Oct 22 07:57:12 like firefox on a windows pc Oct 22 07:57:39 windows pc runs on x86 architecture which is completely different from N900's ARM architecture Oct 22 07:57:44 the problem is the flash, not the browser Oct 22 07:57:52 and no there's no real alternatives as mentioned previously Oct 22 07:58:12 Hi! Is the current fcamera in -testing compatible with Titan's kernel? Oct 22 07:58:13 well as far as i kniow firefox has its own flah player rite? Oct 22 07:58:18 no? Oct 22 07:58:20 flash* Oct 22 07:58:22 * RST38h sighs Oct 22 07:58:41 let us just make "flash player" a bannable subject already... Oct 22 07:58:50 lol Oct 22 07:59:03 its just a need to have app Oct 22 07:59:16 its needed in most webpages Oct 22 07:59:26 * frals sighs with RST38h Oct 22 07:59:32 to be pedantic, browsers don't update flash Oct 22 07:59:32 ebzzry: i think so Oct 22 07:59:40 luccini: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37922 Oct 22 07:59:43 i see Oct 22 07:59:49 isn't gnash or swfdec compilable on ARM? Oct 22 07:59:50 kerio: the last time I tried it, it almost bricked my device. Oct 22 08:00:01 anyway, you're talking to a bunch of people who have no control Oct 22 08:00:07 luccini: Here is a thread for you. Make sure you read the whole thread. Somewhere in the middle, there are instructions on how to get latest flashplayer 10 work on your N900. Oct 22 08:00:32 luccini: Make sure you read the whole thing before you come back here with questions about flashplayer, ok? Oct 22 08:03:05 lol Oct 22 08:03:23 kerio: Do you have things that would confirm that it is indeed safe? Oct 22 08:03:51 to many pages and not enuough time to read Oct 22 08:04:33 You think we have enough time to hear the same sentiments again and again here? Oct 22 08:04:44 indeed the impatient gets really desperate and lazy Oct 22 08:05:01 well if you guys know it then make a tut for it Oct 22 08:05:02 biting the hand that feeds Oct 22 08:05:46 if you dont wanna support oters with maemo then you shouldnt be here rite? Oct 22 08:05:47 Let's keep it short. Flash must die, not because of the tech, but because of how it's run. Qt Quick is the new Flash. EOT. Oct 22 08:06:29 achipa, agreed that Flash must die. Oct 22 08:06:54 you obviously haven't been here long enough luccini.. you don't go complaining when someone gave you a pointer Oct 22 08:07:00 The main reason for flash still to exist is playing web video. If browsers finally will handle this themselves, we should be ok. :) Oct 22 08:07:21 Also, you *can* *cough* get an update for Flash for OMAP3 *cough*. But if you can't find it yourself, I'm not helping you. Oct 22 08:07:56 But that one is still not using hardware accell, right? Oct 22 08:08:08 X-Fade, no it's not afaik Oct 22 08:08:24 Pretty useless then :) Oct 22 08:08:34 X-Fade, but I mean, that doesn't put you in a worse position than before :p Oct 22 08:08:59 well i should thank you i guess seems its going to take a couple of days but ok i just might get a beter phone next time Oct 22 08:09:03 No, but doesn't improve much either. Oct 22 08:09:03 (Since Flash isn't accelerated on the n900 to begin with IIRC) Oct 22 08:09:28 X-Fade, I think people are only looking for Flash 10 for the fact that sites are flicking the switch on Flash 9 Oct 22 08:09:36 Well, it isn't accelerated on other phones either. Oct 22 08:09:48 Yeah, but the version number hack works fine for that. Oct 22 08:10:04 X-Fade, except for sites that use new Flash 10 features Oct 22 08:10:27 Indeed, but are there much of those out there? Oct 22 08:10:53 X-Fade, not really sure. I disable flash most of the time for anything I touch :p Oct 22 08:11:09 achipa: Just yesterday, the subject of using QtQuick for somethign useful came up on #meego. Looks like it is a bit too early for that. Oct 22 08:12:28 Termana: It would probably be fun to make a survey of all these Flash-loving Maemo users, asking them for URLs they need Flash10 to access Oct 22 08:12:30 RST38h: I'm not saying QtQuick is already there right now, Flash has a 10+ year headstart, but QtQuick *CAN* cover every aspect of what Flash does, and potentially better on the long run Oct 22 08:13:06 Termana: My guess is that 70% will say that they do not have any Flash10-specific URLs in mind, while the remaining 30% will give Facebook URL :) Oct 22 08:13:30 achipa: Yea, and then it becomes the same thing as Flash. Even using the same ECMAScript :) Oct 22 08:13:43 RST38h, mmm. I only use it on the desktop for YouTube videos that won't display as HTML5 and on the N900 I used an application to view youtube, and I didn't use flash for anything else Oct 22 08:14:07 YouTube does not require Flash10 though, does it? Oct 22 08:14:36 RST38h, I don't think so, to my knowledge. But I was just commenting on my general use of flash at all Oct 22 08:14:43 RST38h: the same thing except it is Free and more powerful and more cross platform and... need I go on ? Oct 22 08:15:19 Mmmm, probably not, I understood your excitement. Oct 22 08:15:27 hmm Oct 22 08:15:37 don't try to divide 1g by 25k on Google Oct 22 08:15:58 crashanddie_, you naughty boy - did you crash one of Google's servers? Oct 22 08:16:04 nope Oct 22 08:16:14 crashanddie_: why ? does it send to police to your address ? Oct 22 08:16:23 I just got yelled at by boltzmann Oct 22 08:16:24 crashanddie_, accidentally divide by 0? Oct 22 08:17:22 Morning, all Oct 22 08:17:27 morning Jaffa Oct 22 08:18:51 Morning Oct 22 08:19:09 It seems to take me longer & longer to get through email every morning Oct 22 08:20:40 dneary: That will only get worse ;) Oct 22 08:21:37 hey guys \o Oct 22 08:33:57 Is there a way to enable/disable extras-testing on the command line? Oct 22 08:38:08 anywyas bai imheading of buying a dongle for laptop way easyer to use flash and all needing for internet , phones just shouldnt have interne if there is lack of support Oct 22 08:39:32 i agree, if a phone can't replace my desktop entirely, it's clearly inferior and should not exist Oct 22 08:40:30 ok. Oct 22 08:40:35 yeah whats the deal for an internet phone as they call it nowdays if it dont have support for the most needed thing flashplayer Oct 22 08:40:51 its not just maemo but symbian also Oct 22 08:41:06 ... The only thing you need flash player for is videos, mostly Oct 22 08:41:07 they lack flash support to Oct 22 08:41:15 not realy Oct 22 08:41:24 luccini: you should get an iphone then Oct 22 08:41:28 it'll solve your problems Oct 22 08:41:32 there are flash ebsites like logitech.com Oct 22 08:41:43 There are a few websites which use it for navigation. The authors should be strung up and shot. Oct 22 08:41:53 RobbieThe1st: i disagree. i want to see the flashing animated banner and fullscreen advertisements. Oct 22 08:41:55 But even then, the N900's got flash support Oct 22 08:42:02 Hmm...it has been at least 30 minutes, and he is STILL raving about flash player? Oct 22 08:42:06 raster: :P Oct 22 08:42:07 i want to feel like i have been a good consumer today and watched my fill of advertising Oct 22 08:42:08 :) Oct 22 08:42:12 moo, raster Oct 22 08:42:22 iphone is shit inothing hear anything thentroubles abot it froom my cousins Oct 22 08:42:29 rst38h, the more raving, the more likely flash 10 will get rapidly ported to n900! Oct 22 08:42:33 you should just get yourself a pair of light-up LED horns and install a mirror behind your monitor Oct 22 08:42:36 more specifically, without flash, how i can i watch http://nig.gr/whiteblack.swf Oct 22 08:42:36 RST38h: burrp Oct 22 08:42:37 (&released) Oct 22 08:42:37 :) Oct 22 08:42:51 Bah, that's the thing - I have flash support on my computer. Full, 10.1 x64 support that works perfectly. I use it about twice per day on average Oct 22 08:43:02 Most of the time, noscript blocks it for me Oct 22 08:43:03 apple does not want flash because it would harm their revenue from appstore Oct 22 08:43:05 flux: obviously, how have I missed that! Oct 22 08:43:28 well i use it daily for xdcc bots Oct 22 08:43:42 to be fair, I would have liked to use google streetview from n900, but it doesn't work anymore after they upgraded the service to flash10 Oct 22 08:43:43 As an aside, after using the "tweak flash player" script, I -tried- to find a site that wouldn't work. I couldn't :\ Oct 22 08:43:47 other than that.. hmm.. Oct 22 08:43:48 Youtube worked fine Oct 22 08:43:58 im one of those anime lovers and daily there is an eps to download Oct 22 08:44:08 Well, frigging download it then Oct 22 08:44:18 .flv files generally play fine in mplayer Oct 22 08:44:24 's what I do Oct 22 08:44:31 just that flash player sux i cant access those sites Oct 22 08:44:44 ieatlint: indeed. how could your life be fulfilled without being able to watch that Oct 22 08:44:46 i believe gstreamer on the phone has flv support as well (assuming compatible codec, which is likely) Oct 22 08:44:47 Forget about it already, and complain to the management Oct 22 08:44:59 i cant help it lol Oct 22 08:45:03 luccini, piss off and go buy your fucking dongle Oct 22 08:45:10 being an otaku aint easy Oct 22 08:45:11 Would a ban make it easier? Oct 22 08:45:21 who here have access to their n900 right now? preferably through shell or something like that. I need an unmolested copy of /usr/share/policy/etc/rx51/pulse/xpolicy.conf Oct 22 08:45:24 raster: my point exactly! it was a proud day when i could play that on my phone Oct 22 08:45:27 a proud, proud day Oct 22 08:45:34 indeed Oct 22 08:45:35 :) Oct 22 08:46:45 psycho_oreos: http://tehinterweb.com/xpolicy.conf Oct 22 08:46:56 ieatlint, thanks Oct 22 08:47:21 np Oct 22 08:47:56 raster: as a side note, that domain is perhaps the most interesting url shortener i've ever come across Oct 22 08:50:00 ieatlint, that animation is just strange. :p Oct 22 08:50:29 yes, but also a tad hilarious Oct 22 08:50:42 um... what? Oct 22 08:50:54 I went to that link, I just saw the text of the conf file Oct 22 08:51:01 different link Oct 22 08:51:23 ah Oct 22 08:55:55 ieatlint, would you happen to have tried hacking the silent mode? Oct 22 08:56:05 nope Oct 22 08:56:28 i've not modified any pulseaudio related config file Oct 22 08:56:55 in fact, about the only thing that modified standard pr1.2 on my n900 is the power kernel Oct 22 08:57:03 hmm bugger, oh well thanks anyways. Trying to get sounds playing through even if the N900 is in silent Oct 22 08:57:08 o.O Oct 22 08:58:17 that may not be at all easy... if you bypass as much of pulseaudio's interace as possible, you might have some luck Oct 22 08:58:22 but i doubt it Oct 22 08:58:56 There is this: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6694 but it requires one to have far more knowledge Oct 22 08:58:58 Bug 6694: libplayback missing -doc package Oct 22 08:59:48 "Waiting for some inspiration, but lacking the human interaction" Oct 22 09:01:40 what sort of interaction is needed? :o Oct 22 09:01:48 psycho_oreos: are you writing an app, or trying to configure mplayer or similar? Oct 22 09:02:31 ieatlint, trying to get apps working despite N900 is set into silent mode.. this affects a wide variety of apps including the phone UI Oct 22 09:03:42 somehow that strikes me as not a bug, but a feature Oct 22 09:04:00 i don't want my phone to make noise when i put it on silent, be a phone call, or some random app Oct 22 09:04:30 but what if you've got headphone/headset even bluetooth device at that? Oct 22 09:04:48 take it off silent? Oct 22 09:05:47 If you have headphones or a bluetooth speaker in, the only sounds that should play (if they do or not I don't know) is the camera sounds Oct 22 09:05:58 (through the device instead) Oct 22 09:06:04 well that works but when it comes to receiving phone calls with bluetooth headset N900 will play the ringtone before the bluetooth headset will also play the ringtone Oct 22 09:06:13 Dr Watson to play Bilbo Baggins in "Hobbit". Oct 22 09:06:28 Cute. Oct 22 09:06:48 wow just using xchat on my N900, have to admit thats the cleanest GUI ive seen so far Oct 22 09:06:59 compared to gftp or irreco for example Oct 22 09:07:02 "A shareholder of Bible.com Inc sued the company's board members, accusing the ordained ministers of failing to profit from the "goldmine" potential of the namesake Internet property, according to a lawsuit." Oct 22 09:07:17 psycho_oreos, well if that's the case, and it's not suppose to do that, then it's a bug. But you don't make an app to play sounds when it's silent :p Oct 22 09:07:59 Termana, no but I rather play it through external sources if they are connected apart from N900's actual speakers Oct 22 09:08:52 what if you're at work and you want to listen to your own music without it playing through the speakers or using NIT's media player? Oct 22 09:09:46 see its funny, NIT's media player can actually play sounds even if the device is actually in silent mode.. but other apps can't Oct 22 09:10:00 and I mean through bluetooth headset in this particular instance Oct 22 09:11:15 Since mplayer and pianobar silence with silence mode it's gotta be setting a system volume down.. but the official media player apps such as Youtube and Music use a different volume area that gets around the "silencing". Oct 22 09:11:31 bleh I forgot to enclose that in quotes.. meh Oct 22 09:12:23 and apparently its a bug that has been fixed/resolved into a version which is not publicly available Oct 22 09:17:52 Well, that was nice. Apparently xorg was saying "Hey there, I'm just going to crash and restart on you for no good reason, is that ok? OF COURSE IT IS, LAL ALLALALA :D))" Oct 22 09:20:15 that's not as bad as having an alarm going off almost randomly because the device was lagging.. you find yourself humiliated in front of others and forced your device to poweroff Oct 22 09:21:53 nothing on the screen and no buttons to mute the alarm as you panic and hit the poweroff Oct 22 09:28:22 been there... many times haha Oct 22 09:45:04 ah, heya konttori Oct 22 09:48:18 Hmm after scratchbox-isms, are we now also getting Qt SDK-isms? https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/effing_0.2.0-1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt Oct 22 09:54:36 Nokia staff working on Symbian development in Cambridge were sent home yesterday, while the London crowd sloped off early after being told that 300 will lose their jobs Oct 22 09:54:54 url? Oct 22 09:55:05 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/22/nokia_layoffs/ Oct 22 09:56:05 i've been told in no uncertain terms to never trust anything theregister.co.uk prints Oct 22 09:56:20 Then don't. Oct 22 09:56:32 indeed Oct 22 09:58:52