**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 24 02:59:58 2010 Oct 24 03:30:58 * pupnik and kotczarny are playin with his new CA-lab http://imgur.com/j8XBn.png Oct 24 04:55:59 has anyone tried anything with QML on fremantle yet? Oct 24 05:02:24 how can i increase history size for terminal commands? will "export HISTSIZE 500" in /etc/profile for example do what i want? Oct 24 05:03:37 export HISTSIZE=500 possibly Oct 24 05:06:10 ah, yes, equal sign Oct 24 05:07:47 i had to reflash my n900 yesterday, it didn't want to boot, on of changes which i've made before was adding HISTSIZE in /etc/profile (with equal sign), can that be the reason? Oct 24 05:21:39 I'd doubt it Oct 24 05:22:49 I assume you tested your changes by sourcing /etc/profile Oct 24 05:23:11 rsp si,ply starting a new shell Oct 24 05:32:47 what means 'AutoDisconnect' with the 'Auto switch 2G/3G-Dual' Modes "3G - switch last 2" or "Dual - switch last 5"? Oct 24 05:35:33 is that a 'time window'? Oct 24 05:41:23 is there any sort of allowed call list by group feature in Maemo? Oct 24 05:41:36 depending on profile I'd like only certain people to make it ring, otherwise it's silent Oct 24 05:49:48 per contact ringtones Oct 24 05:52:05 the profile settings would/had to change a symlink from a group specific ringtone name to either a arbitrary audiofile or a silent file Oct 24 06:01:37 hrm Oct 24 06:01:54 my qwebkit page has black background with grey text Oct 24 06:02:01 is this because of the theme? Oct 24 06:05:12 lol, "reboot"-ing n900 from terminal resulted in "Device Malfunction. Reboot in 10 sec" message :) Oct 24 06:05:17 Or, maybe, a laptop mike Oct 24 06:05:34 Oct 24 06:17:04 :) Oct 24 06:19:48 is it possible to add custom global shortcut in maemo5 ? Oct 24 06:20:33 What is customglobal shortcut? Oct 24 06:20:48 i want to remap Ctrl+Space to call some script Oct 24 06:21:09 or maybe other key sequence Oct 24 06:21:23 from any app Oct 24 06:21:32 oh Oct 24 06:22:04 You want to fix physical keyboard switch on a device with EURO1 keyboard? Oct 24 06:23:20 eight-level thing doesn't work correctly for me, it switches between own language and latin Oct 24 06:23:37 but i want to switch between german and russian Oct 24 06:24:21 i've changed rx-51 so that "setxkbmap de" and "setxkbmap ru" does what i want Oct 24 06:25:02 now it would be good if i could to map both to keyboard shortcuts Oct 24 06:25:35 some packages in extras-devel for phonetic layouts are evil Oct 24 06:25:54 there's one for russian phonetic Oct 24 06:26:37 but it implies setting eight-level layout in Settings so that Ctrl-Space will work Oct 24 06:27:29 and also has unusual layout Oct 24 06:27:51 vdv: Ok Oct 24 06:27:57 can't i setup some system-wide shortcuts? :) Oct 24 06:28:19 vdv: The solution is to set it to Russian/Cyrillic Kb and then modify the rx-51 file Oct 24 06:28:48 vdv: I have it modified, sent to me by another guy. Want a copy? Oct 24 06:29:04 hmm Oct 24 06:29:09 don't think so Oct 24 06:29:45 i've configured "ru" section of my rx-51 for my specific needs Oct 24 06:30:21 and i want that in Settings keyboard language will stay german Oct 24 06:30:56 occasionally i will switch to "ru" layout to type cyrillic letters Oct 24 06:31:03 Kinda impossible given the HIM bug that Nokia refuses to fix =( Oct 24 06:31:26 what's impossible? Oct 24 06:31:53 Impossible to have two keyboard layouts enabled and switch between them with Ctrl+Space Oct 24 06:32:22 yes, i know, that's why i've choosed to do everything with setxkbmap Oct 24 06:33:12 but typing everytime that command from terminal to switch layouts is a bit cumbersome Oct 24 06:34:08 i wanted to change Ctrl+Space call some another script instead of do standart thing Oct 24 06:34:30 or, if that is not possible, then some other key binding Oct 24 06:34:40 system-wide Oct 24 06:35:48 Fn+Shift+R -> "setxkbmap ru", Fn+Shift+G -> "setxkbmap de" Oct 24 06:36:57 can't i bind some global actions on some keys or key sequences? Oct 24 06:39:09 I just found this beauty on t.m.o: Oct 24 06:39:17 "BTW, the gps locks to satellites in a matter of seconds with a wife or cellular connection" Oct 24 06:39:29 Anyone connect their n900s up to their wife? Oct 24 06:39:47 wife? :) Oct 24 06:40:48 hehe Oct 24 06:40:56 meant wifi Oct 24 06:45:51 my favourite was when someone typoed "how do i set the phone into fight mode?" Oct 24 06:47:26 :) Oct 24 06:48:20 vdv: check matan's modified hildon desktop, and dbus scripting Oct 24 06:48:38 yeah, i'm reading now http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41389 Oct 24 06:48:51 I'm not Oct 24 06:49:24 it's tmo and I don't like looking at that this time of day Oct 24 06:49:58 :) Oct 24 06:50:22 what's wrong with tmo? Oct 24 06:50:47 DocScrutinizer51: I'm eating phoned rice Oct 24 06:52:03 mmm, rice Oct 24 06:52:19 N900 rice Oct 24 06:52:32 I hope that's not poisonous Oct 24 06:52:35 :p Oct 24 06:52:37 mushrooms or acid this time? Oct 24 06:53:21 hmm, modified-hildon-desktop is a binary... Oct 24 06:59:27 Myrtti: just hangover from a hoax or urban legend or mass stupidity Oct 24 07:00:42 a dude called everybody convinced termana of drying his drowned N900 in rice Oct 24 07:01:33 yeah, he should've used silica Oct 24 07:01:53 warm air Oct 24 07:02:13 or warm vacuum :-P Oct 24 07:03:45 i could suggest snake oil again Oct 24 07:04:07 I'm thinking of just buying a new one somehow Oct 24 07:04:37 We'll see what happens with this one Oct 24 07:04:37 sucks :( Oct 24 07:04:54 but thinking about it again, TermanaDesire also seen green screws and heard weird noises. So maybe Myrtti is right Oct 24 07:05:33 Noise is gone. I crunched thhat rice out Oct 24 07:05:35 That Oct 24 07:06:57 also listening to everybody probably needs some acid, as everybody is notorious and nobody sober would listen to him Oct 24 07:07:10 DocScrutinizer51: I'll never listen to that Guy again Oct 24 07:08:03 i've got beer instead of acid Oct 24 07:08:15 Anyhow anyone want to tell me if the rice is dangerous to eat? :p Oct 24 07:08:34 so beware of everybody and his weird ideas :-D Oct 24 07:08:35 have you eaten any? Oct 24 07:08:38 Before I eat it preferably Oct 24 07:09:30 the only way it would be unsafe is if your phone were covered with bacteria... but as it sounds like you just washed it, it should be fine Oct 24 07:09:43 ieatlint: depends which answer will make you answer truthfully Oct 24 07:09:47 Lol Oct 24 07:09:56 Hi all Oct 24 07:11:49 ieatlint: since I put the battery in the rice I was more worried about potential battery acid Oct 24 07:12:26 Hello RobbieThe1st Oct 24 07:12:43 TermanaDesire: Sorry for breaking in, but were you talking about a N900 battery? Oct 24 07:13:03 Yes Oct 24 07:13:17 vdv: can you modify german layout to add cyrillic letters? Oct 24 07:13:26 TermanaDesire: DON'T EAT IT! it's contaminated by microwave radiation. Ask everybody, he will confirm GSM and WiFi and microwave oven radiation is almost the same Oct 24 07:13:42 Um... what? Oct 24 07:13:55 DocScrutinizer: ha Oct 24 07:14:00 uh, if the battery is damaged, you should be more wary of it than the rice Oct 24 07:14:05 DocScrutinizer: it's true! Oct 24 07:14:24 your rice has definitely been exposed to many types of radiation Oct 24 07:14:30 and we know radiation is dangerous Oct 24 07:14:35 TermanaDesire: It's a Li-on battery, it doesn't have acid. It's a lot more toxic, and there's a good reason why it's inside a sealed package Oct 24 07:14:37 ilius, not enough place for cyrillic letters Oct 24 07:14:57 Note that the package is -not- the one you see, but a metallic/metallic-looking one inside of that Oct 24 07:15:19 was wondering.. i didn't think li-ion bats contained acid Oct 24 07:15:20 vdv: do you really use all combinations of keys with Shift and Fn? Oct 24 07:15:21 ilius, i've placed some special symbols on levels 3-4 Oct 24 07:15:24 But yea, I'd probably not want to eat the rice after using it to dry out my N900... Oct 24 07:15:24 wasn't sure though Oct 24 07:16:06 ilius, yes i use symbols such "|", "^" or "{" intensively Oct 24 07:16:37 ^^ Oct 24 07:16:52 vdv: hmmm, another solution is to use virtual keyboard Oct 24 07:16:54 i've solved my "problem" by making "ru" layout as a diminished "de" Oct 24 07:17:17 vdv: I thinks that is unlimited to add new letters Oct 24 07:17:38 DocScrutinizer: everybody confirms your suspicion Oct 24 07:17:39 i.e. "ru" is almost copy of "de", but filled on levels 3-4 with cyrillic letters Oct 24 07:18:00 DocScrutinizer: do I trust him? Oct 24 07:18:03 :p Oct 24 07:18:14 vdv: hmmm, good :) Oct 24 07:19:01 Interesting fact: You can, actually, mount your MyDocs partition on your N900 as readonly -while- its also mounted on your PC... But you won't see any changes to the FS until you umount/remount Oct 24 07:19:05 ilius, so i can use "ru" if i'm not in terminal or other app which needs fast access to special symbols Oct 24 07:19:39 ieatlint: I'm not sure what electrolyt LiIon contain, but for sure the Litium isn't healthy by itself Oct 24 07:19:43 otherwise i have to do "setxkbmap de" Oct 24 07:19:59 or it's alias simply "de" from terminal Oct 24 07:20:00 vdv: hmmm Oct 24 07:20:12 come on, lithium is a commonly prescribed medicine.. how dangerous could it be? :P Oct 24 07:20:13 vdv: custom desktop icons may also help Oct 24 07:20:37 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery#Construction Oct 24 07:20:47 Answer: very Oct 24 07:20:50 vdv: copy a file from /usr/share/applications/hildon/*.desktop and edit it Oct 24 07:20:57 * ieatlint notes that everybody writes wikipedia articles Oct 24 07:21:03 and you can't trust that Oct 24 07:21:40 In -most- cases it's close if not dead on Oct 24 07:21:45 but about here is where the conversation strays into how easily you can convert a li-ion battery into a small explosive to use on a plane Oct 24 07:21:58 ieatlint: wikipedia knows Maemo (and also Moblin) as deprecated after MeeGo Oct 24 07:22:12 using desktop icon is almost so "difficlut" as opening terminal and typing "ru" or "de" Oct 24 07:22:35 ieatlint: yeah, and water is even needed to stay alive, still you can drown and you'll even die of osmosis shock when drinking >5L of it Oct 24 07:22:38 ilius, and terminal is almost always open Oct 24 07:22:50 vdv: :-D Oct 24 07:23:43 ilius, new keyboard shortcut would be best solution, but don't want pollute system with modified-hildon Oct 24 07:24:42 had to reflash device yesterday, because messed up everything with all those "extras-devel" apps Oct 24 07:24:53 Once you guys have made up your mind then I'll decide weather or not to drive to the nearest hospital. In the mean time I'm going to enjoy this potentially deadly yummy rice Oct 24 07:24:56 good that i had a backup on pc Oct 24 07:25:23 anyways, reflashing n900 doesn't erase /home/user/* Oct 24 07:25:32 that's good Oct 24 07:25:47 TermanaDesire: Worst that'll happen is you get sick. Probably nothing though, assuming the water that got into your N900 wasn't contaminated in the first place Oct 24 07:26:33 is it possible to copy whole /scratchbox folder from a desktop ubuntu to another desktop ubuntu? Oct 24 07:26:46 whitout any problem? Oct 24 07:26:57 RobbieThe1st: water contamination? I just thought that was rice flavouring. :p Oct 24 07:27:05 :P Oct 24 07:27:06 DocScrutinizer: i laugh at how many people learn drinking too much water can kill each year Oct 24 07:27:09 TermanaDesire: was it bright enough so the rice could actually *see* the N900? Oct 24 07:28:05 Hm... So, then, the recommendation to drink 8 glasses of water a day... IT'S A CONSPIRACY! Oct 24 07:28:11 :P Oct 24 07:28:33 vdv: but reflashing reset some configuration of hildon-desktop, and I dont know what Oct 24 07:28:42 DocScrutinizer51: what? :p have you been talking with everybody? Oct 24 07:28:46 vdv: whay that happen Oct 24 07:28:49 or don't use 1L glasses Oct 24 07:29:29 they say you should have 2L of hydration/day, but that also doesn't mean chug water... fruits and such for instance have a bit, and so forth Oct 24 07:30:19 TermanaDesire: everybody pointed me to the fact the rice couldn't know it's been near N900 if there wasn't enough light so the rice can see the device Oct 24 07:30:58 ieatlint: I know. Oct 24 07:31:18 RobbieThe1st: Ok. Oct 24 07:32:15 "IT'S A CONSPIRACY" in all caps... Yea, I *must* be being serious. Oct 24 07:32:52 ilius, because hildon-desktop config data is not under /home/user (or maybe not all data is there) Oct 24 07:33:23 ilius, rsync-ing from backup to new flashed device works fine Oct 24 07:33:34 vdv: then where is that? Oct 24 07:33:54 ilius, i don't know exactly, that's just assumption Oct 24 07:35:09 RobbieThe1st: it's unfortunate that you distrust everyone so Oct 24 07:35:16 but warranted. Oct 24 07:35:21 . Oct 24 07:35:23 ilius, i was afraid that rsync won't work correctly, but yesterday i've saw that restoring works pretty fine Oct 24 07:35:23 ... Oct 24 07:35:44 I assume you couldn't tell that I was being sarcastic in that last comment Oct 24 07:36:22 sarcasm is often used to mask true sentiments Oct 24 07:36:41 so i run rsync every time i've made major changes on device Oct 24 07:37:32 Whatever. In this case, I was trying to point out that my first comment wasn't being serious Oct 24 07:37:36 vdv: rsync rootfs with card? Oct 24 07:37:47 well, that was fun Oct 24 07:37:47 * vdv thinks that doint such backup in cron is nothing but paranoia Oct 24 07:38:17 Have you ever -restored- one of those backups? Oct 24 07:38:42 http://elinux.org/Embedded_Linux_Distributions Oct 24 07:38:50 Maemo (deprecated - see Meego) Oct 24 07:38:55 :-/ Oct 24 07:39:16 RobbieThe1st: i guess some people just have trouble detecting insincerity and sarcasm Oct 24 07:39:24 but i try to cut them some slack Oct 24 07:39:26 ilius, rsync -av --exclude= / user_at_pc@pc:/data/n900 Oct 24 07:40:24 I don't know what to say to that, honestly. I -do- have trouble if there are no real "clues". Oct 24 07:40:31 vdv: thanks Oct 24 07:40:46 just don't take it so seriously :) Oct 24 07:41:07 RobbieThe1st, yesterday was first time, and it really worked Oct 24 07:41:42 Worst problem is that, in your case, I couldn't tell if you just didn't understand me, or were making your own comment Oct 24 07:42:00 vdv: Great. Did you use rsync to restore, or make a new rootfs and flash it? Oct 24 07:42:03 well, i didn't mean to actually upset you or anything Oct 24 07:42:19 ieatlint:Nah, it's fine Oct 24 07:42:28 ..Anyway... Oct 24 07:42:36 :P Oct 24 07:43:22 mmm, beer Oct 24 07:44:04 RobbieThe1st, first flashed, then installed rootsh+openssh+rsync+usb_networking, then rsync-ed everything from pc back to device Oct 24 07:44:15 Ah. Oct 24 07:45:30 Completely off all topic here, but I'm curious: With today's video cards, high quality cinematic clips can be rendered in real time at greater than 24fps on a decent computer. Why don't we see any movies/short clips made using such techniques(i.e. rendered on the end user's PC, vs pre-rendering it and shipping the final product) Oct 24 07:46:26 because the engines are often proprietary, and require more power than a pc can normally do still Oct 24 07:47:26 Well, I mean using normal fast polygon techniques versus raytracing Oct 24 07:47:27 when you add in the size of the engine, models, and the control data, it would almost definitely be larger than a pre-rendered copy as well Oct 24 07:47:49 RobbieThe1st, some people do that, they are called demos. they try to make the smallest executable file Oct 24 07:47:52 that and not everyone has the same graphics card Oct 24 07:48:10 Hm, demos still exist these days? I thought they sort of disappeared like 10 years ago? Oct 24 07:48:24 most integrated cards can't do that Oct 24 07:48:44 almost all laptop users use integrated cards Oct 24 07:48:50 which are pretty basic Oct 24 07:48:57 lolintel Oct 24 07:48:58 Look at any game these days. Oct 24 07:49:14 i wouldn't say almost all use integrated graphics Oct 24 07:49:40 many do, but a very sizable amount use ati/nvidia Oct 24 07:49:47 only expensive one's not Oct 24 07:50:13 i've got 5 laptops sitting around me, and only 1 has integrated graphics, a netbook Oct 24 07:50:38 The idea is that you could, using a game engine, create your movie as a series of camera/character motion. Would -everyone- be able to play it fast enough? No. Would everyone play it at 4xaa, 60fps, with highest detail levels? no. But, it could produce a better-than-bluray quality at far less than 25GB. Though, it'd only be suitable for PCs Oct 24 07:51:21 RobbieThe1st: which is precisely why you go the pre-rendered route. If the video plays, it looks the same on all systems. Oct 24 07:51:29 barring that, you just do an in-game cutscene Oct 24 07:51:31 i think you grossly underestimate the amount of data used Oct 24 07:51:57 and that, it's a lot of extraneous, one-use data Oct 24 07:52:10 True, I suppose... Oct 24 07:52:21 the idea is legit, and something we'll perhaps see in a decade Oct 24 07:52:22 hell even blizzard pre-rendered clips that were animated using the world of warcraft engine ;) Oct 24 07:53:06 Well, in my favor, I remember halo and it's game-engine-rendered real-time cutscenes. It wasn't perfect, but it was nice. Especially with next-generation computers and 4x AA Oct 24 07:54:35 haha, Volkswagen adoped Amarok Oct 24 07:54:37 eh.. even the nicest video games graphics can't beat movies like toy story (circa 1995) or final fantasy (that shitty one with shittier than toy story graphics from 2001) Oct 24 07:55:18 they don't approach the range of motion or detail to appear truly lifelike Oct 24 07:56:08 I certainly recall noticing many oddities with FF7:AC... Like the cloak which appeared tattered, but waved like a solid object Oct 24 07:56:31 also, beer is good Oct 24 07:57:11 * RST38h read it as "segment 0xFF7, offset 0xAC" Oct 24 07:57:11 But, point. "realistic" interaction... probably not. Making a TF2 movie, for instance... with cartoonish 3D etc... I could see it being possible Oct 24 07:58:11 Related: AMD Dragon platform video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5487409898468495967# Oct 24 07:59:20 Aanyway, it sort of answers my question. Not currently done, unless I can find something in the demoscene Oct 24 08:01:41 i didn't know video.google.com was still around Oct 24 08:06:58 ieatlint: you are not an ordained Google master then I see Oct 24 08:07:56 no, i'm afraid not Oct 24 08:12:41 All my data r belong to Google Oct 24 08:13:20 yes, the benevolent internet dictator Oct 24 08:13:26 That's for sure Oct 24 08:13:35 Ah well, I can't believe Google Oct 24 08:13:44 's any worse than, say, MS Oct 24 08:14:24 Still, I believe in distributing information across many accounts and sites - any one site having all information's not a good idea nomatter what Oct 24 08:15:21 meh, i trust google as a company Oct 24 08:16:13 there's nothing too incriminating on my google account either... embarrassing, sure Oct 24 08:16:23 but i'm not going to worry too much about that Oct 24 08:16:52 plus google is adding two-factor authentication, it's already in place for business customers Oct 24 08:16:54 which is awesome Oct 24 08:28:59 Hi! How can I numlock when using OO.o Calc (Easy Debian)? Oct 24 08:37:26 why is QMaemo5InformationBox shit Oct 24 08:42:55 what's wrong with it? Oct 24 08:43:20 i use it without any issue Oct 24 08:43:35 it shows a black bar then paints the yellow colour and text Oct 24 08:43:53 plus it's not the same size as the bars used in C Oct 24 08:44:10 uh, i don't have either of those issues Oct 24 08:44:27 and as i understand it, that's just a qt wrapper class for the c code Oct 24 09:29:27 is there any "timetable" app for maemo5? Oct 24 09:32:32 Meanwhile: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1322939/Conservative-Party-suspends-Harrogate-councillor-Mike-Gardener-photographed-Adolf-Hitler-costume.html Oct 24 09:46:59 RST38h: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/10/12/2010-10-12_tea_partybacked_rich_iott_defends_wearing_nazi_waffen_ss_uniform_says_it_about_e.html Oct 24 09:47:44 i think that guy might win, as he actually defends the waffen ss, insisting they were just serving their country Oct 24 09:49:01 what filesystem is on n900? is it diffrent in / /home and rest? Oct 24 09:49:54 ubifs, except for /home/user/MyDocs which is vfat Oct 24 09:50:18 Er, not so much. the 256mb rootfs (/) is ubifs Oct 24 09:50:30 the home/opt partition, mapped to /home/ is ext3. Oct 24 09:50:41 ooh, didn't know that :) Oct 24 09:50:44 ok thanks Oct 24 09:50:45 ok, what he said Oct 24 09:50:47 The MyDocs partition (/home/user/MyDocs) is fat32 Oct 24 09:51:15 You can get information on all of them by opening a terminal and typing "cat /etc/mtab" Oct 24 09:51:37 hi Oct 24 09:51:45 Hello Oct 24 09:52:09 is someone here using qtnx on the n900 Oct 24 09:52:10 ? Oct 24 09:55:28 What is it? Oct 24 09:55:49 its an remote desktop protocol lite rdp Oct 24 09:55:55 alarmed's plays music as alarm even if phone is in silent mode! :) Oct 24 09:56:17 it works fine except the keyboad Oct 24 09:56:30 Why not just use VNC? Oct 24 09:56:31 like in lxde i cant write Oct 24 09:56:44 because nx is much faster Oct 24 09:56:57 hm... Can't you run X over ssh..? Oct 24 09:57:09 an it can start an session, for example gnome Oct 24 09:57:43 sure i can, but my whole environment is built upon nx Oct 24 09:58:11 Huh, no idea then Oct 24 10:09:15 RobbieThe1st: did older maemo use ubifs too or was it some other packed fs? Oct 24 10:09:47 Um... Jffs2 IIRC Oct 24 10:11:23 yes that sounds familiar Oct 24 10:11:43 http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/making-flashable-rootfss-for-n900.html <- you might find that interesting Oct 24 10:12:10 thanks Oct 24 10:22:22 how can i change n900 alarm-clock signal from terminal? Oct 24 10:24:27 do you mean sound? Oct 24 10:26:49 hmhm, is angry birds available somehow on n810? Oct 24 10:27:37 Ah no Oct 24 10:31:31 hello world Oct 24 10:33:07 MrPingouin: hello Pingouin! Oct 24 10:33:52 howdy ilius ? Oct 24 10:34:44 MrPingouin: tnx Oct 24 10:35:10 ieatlint: is it possible to add AA feature to N900? Oct 24 10:35:20 AA = Anti Air :-D Oct 24 10:37:55 I don't think n900 is a quite effective weapon versus mutalisk Oct 24 10:38:26 or maybe... throwing it Oct 24 10:38:41 ilius: as long as there are no follow-up questions, yes. absolutely. Oct 24 10:39:08 especially if you're referring to the macbook air Oct 24 10:39:11 ieatlint: throught micro usb ? :) Oct 24 10:39:27 "connect your bfg-9k to the micro usb B port" Oct 24 10:39:31 sorry, that's a follow-up question Oct 24 10:39:44 "ensure that you're n900 is fully charged" Oct 24 10:39:50 s/you're/your Oct 24 10:39:53 whoa, morning Oct 24 10:40:08 but there should be a "fight mode" Oct 24 10:40:31 previously, i saw it decided that fight mode should just consist of some awesome fight scene music to play in the background Oct 24 10:40:39 ieatlint: :) Oct 24 10:40:40 unfortunately there's only the flight mode Oct 24 10:40:41 not so much the "control an AA battery" Oct 24 10:40:47 the fight mode is announced for PR 1.8 Oct 24 10:41:57 is it possible via pymaemo to access data from contact list and stuff ? Oct 24 10:43:22 ieatlint, fight mode could just consist of you pounding out some Perl code on the n900. POW! FIGHT MODE Oct 24 10:43:57 MrPingouin: see the module api Oct 24 10:44:01 only i view perl to be this nasty patched hack Oct 24 10:44:42 ilius: i'm currently parsing it Oct 24 10:46:38 pyside-mobility-contacts is part of pymaemo and sounds promising Oct 24 10:49:45 sorry for jumping in .. isn't perl working on the N900 (haven't tried yet) Oct 24 10:50:49 uh, well perl is on my n900, and i don't recall installing it, so i assume stock Oct 24 10:51:14 perl 5.8.3 if you care Oct 24 10:53:10 just checked ... seems to work out of the box. Oct 24 10:55:49 Shapeshifter, ping Oct 24 11:03:57 Hey guys. Has anyone managed to install winexe or any other psexec alternative on N900? Oct 24 11:22:09 why is there no 'degree' symbol on a nomral keyboard? (e.g. degrees celsius) Oct 24 11:22:28 because decisions have to be made. Oct 24 11:23:09 Probably because it wasn't in ASCII Oct 24 11:24:00 you mean ℃? Oct 24 11:24:40 There are more important glyphs anyway. http://02d9656.netsoljsp.com/SarcMark/modules/user/commonfiles/loadhome.do Oct 24 11:24:41 no, he means ° Oct 24 11:24:47 iso ! Oct 24 11:24:48 :) Oct 24 11:25:56 fun fact - ℃ and °C look identical both in times and in helvetica Oct 24 11:27:40 To be fair, that's not a very fun fact. Oct 24 11:34:40 SpeedEvil: I found this very funny. Oct 24 11:38:58 D-man: i did Oct 24 11:40:57 anyone here uses the matchbox window manager on his n900 ? Oct 24 11:41:05 everyone I think. Oct 24 11:41:09 Well - it's a fork Oct 24 11:41:18 a fork of what ? Oct 24 11:41:28 The stock wm is a fork of matchbox. Oct 24 11:41:31 of the black/flux stuff ? Oct 24 11:41:40 Or I'm confused again. Oct 24 11:41:54 hmmm, I'm going to try it Oct 24 11:42:30 remember to make any scripts you use one-shot, so they can't bootloop the device Oct 24 11:42:53 for example, first thing you do in the script is copy the original script back over the script Oct 24 11:43:06 huh ?you're talking about matchbox ? Oct 24 11:43:19 yes Oct 24 11:43:36 I don't get you Oct 24 11:43:42 If you alter the startup scripts, there are vartiou swatchdogs that may kick in Oct 24 11:43:49 and rebootr the device Oct 24 11:44:02 oh, I was about to run it only once Oct 24 11:44:21 oh you mean, I have to do somehting like /etc/init.d/gdm stop (I know there's no gdm here, but it's for the example) Oct 24 11:44:42 well - if you run it, it will simply exit with 'display already managed' Oct 24 11:45:10 you need to terminate the existing wm, and get it to fork and load your wm if you want X to stay up - typically Oct 24 11:45:22 otherwise you need to restart X with your wm Oct 24 11:45:37 I see, and if I don't specify a good line (wrong path for example) Oct 24 11:45:41 it's an epic failure Oct 24 11:45:44 yes. Oct 24 11:45:56 no ^C for this ? Oct 24 11:46:01 Nope. Oct 24 11:46:03 I mean, that would allow me to use vim to edit my scripts ? Oct 24 11:46:08 why the hell is that ?? Oct 24 11:46:30 Because the watchdogs are all designed to do mostly sane things for the normal user. Oct 24 11:46:47 If you're breaking startup scripts, then they cause problems. Oct 24 11:46:54 And may cause reboot loops Oct 24 11:47:03 watchdogs ? I never heard of that Oct 24 11:47:30 Software processes that monitor the state of various hardware and software, and restart the device Oct 24 11:47:43 dsme and friends Oct 24 11:49:25 thanks a lot Oct 24 11:49:40 so, except this tricky thing, you use matchbox on an everyday basis ? Oct 24 11:49:55 The default WM is as I understand it a fork of matchbox. Oct 24 11:50:01 So in a way, everyone does. Oct 24 11:50:08 you mean, hildon ? Oct 24 11:50:23 hildon is the whole UI - the wm is one small component of this. Oct 24 11:50:28 ok Oct 24 11:50:34 And is as I understand a fork of matchbox Oct 24 11:50:49 I could be confused though. Oct 24 11:50:55 Good luck - AFK Oct 24 11:51:30 Anyone in here that have ported an app from android to maemo? Oct 24 11:53:09 impossible Oct 24 11:53:14 android apps are java based Oct 24 11:53:29 you would have to rewrite it from scratches Oct 24 11:53:59 jacekowski: It's not impossible ^^ http://nokiasaga.com/porting-android-and-iphone-applications-now-possible-with-qt Oct 24 11:54:20 lol? Oct 24 11:55:03 then read what it says Oct 24 11:55:30 it's quide where to start when you are rewriting app to QT Oct 24 11:55:43 i like it when people think Qt automagically allows porting Oct 24 11:56:06 tbh, I see Qt as a wrapper Oct 24 11:58:02 But now I was only asking IF someone have ported... Not HOW to port O_o Oct 24 11:58:15 MohammadAG: well, you won't have to rewrite your application logic when porting a qt application to maemo/meego Oct 24 11:58:31 Maybe the UI though :d Oct 24 11:58:38 alterego: well, no shit Oct 24 11:58:51 different control paradigm requires a different UI Oct 24 11:59:12 I'll be doing some research on writing rich UIs for both plain Qt and MeeGo touch Oct 24 11:59:24 i thought you should use qt mobility Oct 24 11:59:35 They both have Qt Mobility Oct 24 12:00:00 That offers different services. I'm talking about the presentation layer Oct 24 12:07:01 MohammadAG51: how are you getting on now then? Oct 24 12:08:42 alterego, hmm? Oct 24 12:08:53 With you ps3domui Oct 24 12:09:02 kerio, i know, that's why i see it as a wrapper Oct 24 12:09:24 i like tkinter :3 Oct 24 12:10:02 alterego, i released the update yesterday Oct 24 12:10:52 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dM9cjUM6VY you thought platform games were dull? 'kirby's yarn' gives them a whole new look Oct 24 12:11:00 (great candidate for portables) Oct 24 12:11:29 kirby's epic yarn is game of the year 2010 Oct 24 12:11:37 true story Oct 24 12:15:32 MohammadAG51: oh yeah, you told me I forgot :D Oct 24 12:15:40 nokia is stupid, they treat their customers like crap, they have a shit for brains marketing department, and they have no for site of the mobile market. Having been a n n810, and n900 user (ditched them for my nexus one) and dealt with nokia's shit - I hope they stick with meego so I can watch the product totally bomb and hopefully they will lose a lot of money too. serves them right for being ass holes to their customers Oct 24 12:15:46 ok bye bye Oct 24 12:16:44 jacekowski: How did you do it? Oct 24 12:16:48 Nice of you to drop in just to tell us that lirakis Oct 24 12:16:57 ~sunday Oct 24 12:16:58 Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. Oct 24 12:17:12 Heh Oct 24 12:17:27 D-man: with a compiler Oct 24 12:17:55 D-man: download sources and it compiles in scratchbox without any problems Oct 24 12:18:05 * alterego contemplates on what he should do now. Oct 24 12:18:31 alterego: port bitlbee for maemo ? :) Oct 24 12:18:43 alterego, I'm a bit bored too, http://i53.tinypic.com/34o3n8j.jpg Oct 24 12:18:53 this dr launch is pretty cool Oct 24 12:19:16 why not use bitlbee on public servers ? Oct 24 12:19:33 MohammadAG: :D Oct 24 12:19:38 wth is bitlbee Oct 24 12:19:49 scratchbox, I should really download that too. Oct 24 12:20:01 MrPingouin: 'cos I want my own with my own irssi Oct 24 12:20:01 irc to im gateway Oct 24 12:20:22 sounds lame Oct 24 12:20:28 :) Oct 24 12:20:38 wfm ;) Oct 24 12:20:42 wth uses irc anymoew anyway Oct 24 12:20:55 yeah Oct 24 12:20:55 fuckin nerds Oct 24 12:21:25 * jpinx-eeepc sulks Oct 24 12:21:53 MohammadAG: you should play with Qt Quick iss fun :) Oct 24 12:21:55 alterego, indeed, the Qt Simulator is shit Oct 24 12:21:58 jpinx-eeepc: irc over ssh screen ? Oct 24 12:22:16 alterego, http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/kate-alholas-forum-nokia-blog/2010/10/22/qt-creator-and-scratchbox ftw Oct 24 12:22:20 MohammadAG: I know, I always run on device :/ Oct 24 12:22:47 MohammadAG: yeah, saw that yesterday and it made me want to setup scratchbox again :D Oct 24 12:23:03 MrPingouin: I run my irssi/bitlbee in a screen in achroot atm 'cos bitlbee won't install natively Oct 24 12:23:10 jacekowski: thanks, will try. Oct 24 12:24:04 * MohammadAG notices a UI glitch in his app Oct 24 12:24:28 making the progress bar appear/disappear causes the page to move -> clicking wrong links Oct 24 12:25:18 get your viagra from musca ;) Oct 24 12:27:41 does anyone know an alternative to the contact app ? Oct 24 12:28:23 Not having any friends? Oct 24 12:29:10 works for me Oct 24 12:29:50 alterego: talking to ME ? Oct 24 12:29:50 :) Oct 24 12:29:52 wait, I have to shave my head first before saying that Oct 24 12:30:33 well, one thing I don't understand is why the contact app has the A-Z column on the right in portrait mode and not in landscape mode Oct 24 12:31:16 or why, sometimes some contact dones't display the "sms" button ("alors que" in english, I don't know how to translite it) the contact has it Oct 24 12:42:51 woah, transition control is cool Oct 24 12:43:44 hi Oct 24 12:43:44 who is maintaining obs.maemo.org ? Oct 24 13:14:16 Hi ! Oct 24 13:15:15 bahaha, figured out how to set profile between general and silent through cli via dbus Oct 24 13:15:56 it s documented in wiki.maemo.org Oct 24 13:15:58 :) Oct 24 13:16:15 http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/10/22/1931211/Beware-the-Garden-of-Steven?from=rss Oct 24 13:16:18 hahah Oct 24 13:21:27 khertan, bleh, under phone control right? oh well Oct 24 13:24:55 psycho_oreos, you really should take a look at phone-control :P Oct 24 13:25:13 psycho_oreos, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60251&page=1 Oct 24 13:25:32 MohammadAG, http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control <-- that right? :D Oct 24 13:25:49 psycho_oreos, no, phone-control is my package :P Oct 24 13:25:57 oh :o Oct 24 13:26:15 it's just a quick way to use the stuff in the phone control page Oct 24 13:26:22 MohammadAG, btw I tried giving aptitude a run, it actually died Oct 24 13:26:40 psycho_oreos, segfault Oct 24 13:26:47 amiright? Oct 24 13:27:06 MohammadAG, yeah, trying to reproduce the error Oct 24 13:27:17 psycho_oreos: what is "cli" ? Oct 24 13:27:33 MrPingouin, command line interface.. stuff through shell Oct 24 13:27:48 MohammadAG, Ouch! Got SIGSEGV, dying.. | Segmentation fault (core dumped) Oct 24 13:27:53 psycho_oreos, http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/libcwidget3/0.5.13-1maemo1/ doesn't compile properly Oct 24 13:28:04 me installs Phone-control - thanks MohammadAG :) Oct 24 13:28:07 psycho_oreos: kay, I didn't know the acronym, thx Oct 24 13:28:07 psycho_oreos, running as root right? Oct 24 13:28:20 MohammadAG, bleh... nah I'll try it as root Oct 24 13:28:24 jpinx-eeepc, np :) Oct 24 13:28:25 MrPingouin, np Oct 24 13:29:13 MohammadAG, yeah it dies even as root, hmm I'll give libcwidget3 a go I suppose Oct 24 13:29:47 MohammadAG: is there a version for SMS yet? -- I am dying for the ability to copy a text file into an SMS Oct 24 13:29:49 psycho_oreos, the problem is with that library Oct 24 13:29:58 if it's fixed, aptitude will work Oct 24 13:30:23 jpinx-eeepc, like opening a window in conversations with the text pasted? Oct 24 13:30:32 MohammadAG, ahh ok, I suppose its a deps issue somewhere on the line? have you successfully compiled it in sb? :D Oct 24 13:30:55 psycho_oreos, aptitude worked for me for a while, now it doesn't (after I reflashed) Oct 24 13:30:56 MohammadAG: something like that Oct 24 13:31:30 MohammadAG, when you say you flashed, its when you switched across to pr1.2 I suppose? Oct 24 13:31:47 MohammadAG: I spend a lot of time ssh'd into the n900 and I'd like to write sms's as plain text files and send them Oct 24 13:31:52 psycho_oreos, hmm, can't really remember Oct 24 13:31:59 MohammadAG, fair enough, thanks :) Oct 24 13:32:07 jpinx-eeepc, you mean from terminal? Oct 24 13:32:25 jpinx-eeepc, that would need python as a dependency, or I need to write a CLI C app :) Oct 24 13:32:31 MohammadAG: yes - if that's what it takes Oct 24 13:32:45 MohammadAG: or an editor like leafpad Oct 24 13:33:22 jpinx-eeepc, you really lost me :P Oct 24 13:33:32 do you want a CLI to send SMSs, or a CLI that opens text in a conversations window Oct 24 13:33:49 cli to send and receive would be good Oct 24 13:34:04 so I can control SMS's from my laptop Oct 24 13:34:10 jacekowski: Is there any chance, that you still have compiled binaries lying arroung? Oct 24 13:34:20 jpinx-eeepc: dbus dat shit Oct 24 13:35:43 kerio: que? Oct 24 13:36:02 you can send smses with dbus Oct 24 13:36:09 i would assume you can also read them Oct 24 13:36:47 kerio: irl of a how-to? Oct 24 13:36:52 *url.. Oct 24 13:39:24 good day everybody Oct 24 13:39:29 * alterego downloads scratchbox Oct 24 13:39:32 to infinity and beyond ! Oct 24 13:39:51 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=558430&postcount=57 sending Oct 24 13:40:03 alterego, not scratchbox2 right? Oct 24 13:40:16 No, not scr4atchbox[D[C2 Oct 24 13:40:23 Urgh, not 2 Oct 24 13:40:34 1337 t41k? Oct 24 13:40:38 :P Oct 24 13:41:03 Yes, I am uber l33t I embed control codes into my text Oct 24 13:50:00 Thinking about it, I should probably only need the scratchbox maemo runtime setup, so that saves me some bandwidth throguh my phone. Oct 24 13:53:39 That is, to use scratchbox and Qt Creator :D Oct 24 14:00:32 alterego, you probably don't need the closed nokia-binaries Oct 24 14:00:42 except for hildon-theme-alpha, if that's closed Oct 24 14:01:12 who's maintaining tmo styles? please... 02-09-10, 07:09 AM puzzles the shit out of me, can we PRETTY PLEASE get a sane YYYY-MM-DD HH(b24):MM TZ date format there Oct 24 14:02:25 andrewfblack I think Oct 24 14:04:10 I agree, I don't like the Us date format ... Oct 24 14:04:15 St00pid default Oct 24 14:10:07 somebody explained to me recently this isn't even a proper US format Oct 24 14:10:34 it's a mere brainfart Oct 24 14:11:28 Hey Oct 24 14:13:14 alterego, http://i53.tinypic.com/hvc46g.jpg :) Oct 24 14:16:22 (tmo date) see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_formats#Advantages_for_ordering_in_sequence and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601 Oct 24 14:16:38 hi all Oct 24 14:16:48 what the how do you get that in your ubuntu ? Oct 24 14:17:19 get what... Oct 24 14:17:32 I have a shortcut to an url on my N900 desktop, where I can find the properties file of this shortcut in the console ? Oct 24 14:17:33 emulate the browser in Ubuntu Oct 24 14:17:52 that's my browser, not microB Oct 24 14:18:03 and it's not being emulated Oct 24 14:18:15 maemo 5 (or part of it anyways), runs natively on X86 Oct 24 14:18:20 ~maemosdk Oct 24 14:18:21 from memory, maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation Oct 24 14:18:57 Oh okay Oct 24 14:27:00 I have a shortcut to an url on my N900 desktop, where I can find the properties file of this shortcut in the console ? Oct 24 14:27:25 I have to change the url in the properties file ... Oct 24 14:27:43 Someone have an idea ? Oct 24 14:28:47 open shortcut. Oct 24 14:28:54 edit url in browser Oct 24 14:28:55 another tmo madness that constantly drives me nuts: why the heck are single posts like http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=843060&postcount=219 ALL CENTERED? Oct 24 14:28:57 bookmark Oct 24 14:29:11 delete, and add new shortcut Oct 24 14:30:32 * DocScrutinizer runs throwing up due to watching this [CENTER]*[/CENTER] mess Oct 24 14:32:39 Time to start begging my mom to get the N8 , is it possible to install N900 apps in it ? Oct 24 14:32:51 SpeedEvil, and don't want to use this method, I want to edit the created file ... Oct 24 14:35:32 SpeedEvil: ??? open bookmarks, clickhold bookmark to edit, select "edit" from context menu Oct 24 14:36:26 xDaReaperx: nope Oct 24 14:36:34 it's sybian Oct 24 14:36:40 symbian * Oct 24 14:36:51 okay Oct 24 14:37:00 MohammadAG: I've listed teh basic additional commandss that you might be able to add to phone-control -- where would you like me to post them ? Oct 24 14:37:03 i hate touch screen typing though // Oct 24 14:37:20 jpinx-eeepc, the thread will do :) Oct 24 14:37:30 oki-doki Oct 24 14:38:56 what that you can plug in your USB on the N8 ? Oct 24 14:38:58 o_O Oct 24 14:39:14 ??? Oct 24 14:39:35 bored, bored, bored Oct 24 14:39:50 ok i'll stop talking about it then .. back to Maemo Oct 24 14:39:58 * alterego is waiting at the train station for his women to arrive. Oct 24 14:40:18 Unfortunately I miss calculated journey time and I have to wait half an hour. Oct 24 14:40:28 aaah now it all makes sense... midlife crisis Oct 24 14:40:57 isn't any crisis a midlife one? Oct 24 14:41:22 no, mine is a geriatric crisis Oct 24 14:41:36 Heh Oct 24 14:42:36 you're not old enough to have geriatric anything ;) Oct 24 14:42:45 Do we need a custom kernel for iptables on the N900 Oct 24 14:43:06 yep Oct 24 14:43:23 power will do Oct 24 14:43:27 aiui Oct 24 14:45:40 ghey, don't really want a custom kernel. Oct 24 14:46:08 who does? Oct 24 14:46:37 Hrm, maybe I could get around this by using ssh socks proxying Oct 24 14:46:46 it'd be so nice if Nokia shipped a proper feature-complete stock kernel Oct 24 14:47:10 Basically I want to route through usb networking to n900 wifi Oct 24 14:47:22 I can probably use ssh proxying to do this Oct 24 14:47:36 Not exactly nat but still :D Oct 24 14:48:58 http://i53.tinypic.com/2mxxf5.jpg Oct 24 14:49:15 DocScrutinizer: could a userspace app switch battery power from internal pack to external (via charging port)? Oct 24 14:49:38 pupnik: please elaborate Oct 24 14:49:42 probably, not Oct 24 14:50:17 can n900 run from external power only (no internal battery)? Oct 24 14:50:21 Does it matter? Oct 24 14:50:27 pupnik: no :P Oct 24 14:50:36 pupnik: charging/bat-mgmt is complex Oct 24 14:50:41 You always need a battery inserted. Oct 24 14:50:42 pupnik: yes Oct 24 14:50:55 modulo cellmo Oct 24 14:50:55 so it would be possible to hot-swap battery Oct 24 14:51:05 ~hotswap Oct 24 14:51:08 wasn't there an article on that Oct 24 14:51:12 hmm... Oct 24 14:51:26 ~hotswap is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734 Oct 24 14:51:27 MohammadAG: okay Oct 24 14:51:28 MohammadAG to the rescue Oct 24 14:51:34 DocScrutinizer, too late Oct 24 14:51:35 :-D Oct 24 14:51:36 Heh Oct 24 14:51:50 Awesome bar <# Oct 24 14:51:52 <3* Oct 24 14:52:24 We need a decent 1t based MeeGo touch browser Mohammad ;) Oct 24 14:52:54 1t based ... Oct 24 14:53:00 1t? Oct 24 14:53:01 lol Oct 24 14:53:01 Freakin' hell Oct 24 14:53:04 Qt .. Oct 24 14:53:25 oh, thought "WTF 1000kg??" Oct 24 14:53:30 this browser works on Ubuntu and Maemo for now Oct 24 14:53:30 Pressing meta rather than shift :) Oct 24 14:53:49 so I guess it should work on MeeGo Oct 24 14:53:53 but it lacks history Oct 24 14:54:18 and no "http://" in URL bar handling Oct 24 14:54:28 Well, it's not meego touch, which kis what we want really Oct 24 14:54:31 well guys it looks like you only have 30 seconds to swap, meaning you couldn't just switch to an external pack for power Oct 24 14:54:36 but it has portrait mode, ha! Oct 24 14:54:45 at least not with that particular method Oct 24 14:54:46 Heh Oct 24 14:54:49 alterego, I'm referring to mine :P Oct 24 14:55:24 pupnik, anything that works like an external charger and provides enough power should work Oct 24 14:57:27 but recharging the internal battery is wasteful Oct 24 14:58:23 nokia should realize what a cheap and easy win it could be to add hotswap battery capability Oct 24 14:58:50 or am i being stupid Oct 24 15:00:11 I've found that if something seems like a 'no-brainer' to me, I just haven't put enough thought into the question... Oct 24 15:03:01 I don't think you're being stupid, if Nokia are serious about this mobile computer thing then they should do it, after all I can do it with my laptop amirite? :D Oct 24 15:07:29 pupnik: actually I operated my device some hours without battery Oct 24 15:07:38 pupnik: you have a point - I hoptswap the battery in my eeepc Oct 24 15:11:12 hotswapping of battery just works. If I'd feel like it I'd create a fancy shellscript 3-liner to push charge end threshold to bare minimum and tickle bq24150 watchdog, so you could hotswap even more comfortable and without concerns about screenblanking and brightness. Anyway any 'external pack' seems needs at least 4V to work reliably during swap - see folloup posts on above mentioned thread Oct 24 15:13:07 pupnik: also keep in mind you CAN NOT operate modem without battery Oct 24 15:13:50 DocScrutinizer: yea - that procedure for hotswapping just needs scripting Oct 24 15:14:05 there are several hw reasons for this restriction, which aren't simple to work around in sw Oct 24 15:15:38 jpinx-eeepc: basically that particular procedure is so complicated because it doesn't need scripting. As mentioned above a close controlling of bq24150 can remove a lot of the clumsy steps in this procedure. I refer to it as method-2 Oct 24 15:15:38 DocScrutinizer: did you try it with one of those emergency charging packs instead of the wallcharger? Oct 24 15:15:52 nope Oct 24 15:16:01 should work though Oct 24 15:16:10 or what about while usb charging from a laptop? Oct 24 15:16:33 please read the thread completely Oct 24 15:16:40 ok ok :) Oct 24 15:16:55 it's sunday night ;) Oct 24 15:18:14 set it to a small font and speed read :P Oct 24 15:21:19 what's wrong that i can't connect to wlan networks on channel 13? in Europe? its that right? Oct 24 15:21:40 * jpinx-eeepc bookmarks these threads for reading when able to concentrate... Oct 24 15:24:50 i can't switch to my neighbours wlan ;) Oct 24 15:25:45 Hello people Oct 24 15:25:49 hi Oct 24 15:26:06 Someone used irreco in here before? Oct 24 15:26:23 yes, I did Oct 24 15:26:38 It never started up and then shut down for you, did it? Oct 24 15:27:25 for me, it worked okay Oct 24 15:27:36 that was a few months ago though Oct 24 15:27:39 yeah, worked ok for me as well until a few secs ago Oct 24 15:27:43 irrecor o| Oct 24 15:27:56 wanted to start it, i see it briefly and then it shuts down Oct 24 15:28:05 and now my N900 is in repair so I can't help you Oct 24 15:28:18 ah damn ^^ Oct 24 15:28:22 Thanks for the offer though Oct 24 15:28:42 DocScrutinizer, isnt it without r? Oct 24 15:28:56 no problems here, no r, no updates lately Oct 24 15:29:18 What if there were an N900 with Amoled sceen ? Oct 24 15:29:21 screen * Oct 24 15:29:37 if pigs had wings... Oct 24 15:29:46 Hmm, already tried restarting, reinstalling Oct 24 15:29:47 would there be more clarity and less scratches ... Oct 24 15:29:49 I am out of ideas :D Oct 24 15:30:46 xDaReaperx, then that N900 would have a barely legible screen Oct 24 15:30:56 ow.. Oct 24 15:31:36 xDaReaperx, amoled is not good outdoors Oct 24 15:31:54 why less brightness ? Oct 24 15:32:11 * RST38h yawns Oct 24 15:32:13 uninstall, rm ~user/.irreco ~user/MyDocs/irreco /etc/lircd.conf -r /etc/lirc Oct 24 15:32:34 Xhinde: ^^^ Oct 24 15:32:47 Not via the fapman? Oct 24 15:34:59 Is there a guide to sdk installation for non-debian linuxes except suse? o_O Oct 24 15:35:00 Xhinde: also recall what you did yesterday, as 'I don't know what you did last... " err Oct 24 15:36:01 phryk, the GUI installer worked for me on Fedora Oct 24 15:36:08 Uhm, my brain cant comprehend that sentence Oct 24 15:36:13 phryk, of course you'll have to disable SELinux Oct 24 15:36:42 Xhinde: rememebr what you did to make it stop work (sorry for me trying to be funny) Oct 24 15:37:04 Ah, just didnt get it ;) Oct 24 15:37:16 Well, i just played around with it Oct 24 15:37:33 closed it, tried toopen it. bam Oct 24 15:37:41 download new remote? Oct 24 15:37:48 that too yeah Oct 24 15:38:07 probably that remote cam with an undefined lirc backend Oct 24 15:38:53 or other kinda glitch in config Oct 24 15:39:04 so remove the config files as suggested above Oct 24 15:39:23 wazZZZzd Oct 24 15:39:23 kk :) Oct 24 15:39:27 (sorry they are so scattered all over the place, not my invention) Oct 24 15:41:49 does the N810 have IR too? Oct 24 15:42:04 Xhinde: starting irreco from xterm gives hellofu debug output, so you might want to have a look Oct 24 15:42:26 Venemo_N810: no Oct 24 15:42:52 DocScrutinizer, k Oct 24 15:43:29 okay, place your bets,,,, will the N95 disconnect me on the metro or not? Oct 24 15:44:20 I cant even issue the last command in the terminal? Oo Oct 24 15:44:37 ah Oct 24 15:44:42 as it's been buggy, Xhinde Oct 24 15:44:55 i will give it a shot after uninstall :) Oct 24 15:45:59 I could kiss you DocScrutinizer ^^ Oct 24 15:46:01 Xhinde: rm -r ~user/.irreco ~user/MyDocs/irreco /etc/lircd.conf /etc/lirc Oct 24 15:46:28 All is reset Oct 24 15:46:40 Now just to find the right settings for my TV ^^ Oct 24 15:46:46 * DocScrutinizer recalls that little girl character in Charlie Brown Oct 24 15:47:37 The one who always takes the football away? Oct 24 15:47:55 thanks :) Oct 24 15:48:09 the one that shouts for iodine and hot water :-P Oct 24 15:50:42 (find the right) yeah, this database is an unmaintained mess Oct 24 15:51:25 where every noob and idiot and troll can upload arbitrary files in realtime Oct 24 15:52:08 much like extras-devel XP Oct 24 15:52:12 hmm Oct 24 15:52:18 i could make my own? ^^ Oct 24 15:52:25 yep Oct 24 15:52:52 I did, you'll find it under TV LG jr* Oct 24 15:53:33 (another idiot who uploaded his crap ;-D ) Oct 24 15:53:50 Say what? Oo Oct 24 15:53:56 you can take and edit it Oct 24 15:54:26 or build your own from scratch Oct 24 15:57:46 yeah, cant i just scan my remote somehow? ^^ Oct 24 15:57:47 the most important part is "download from LIRCdb" Oct 24 15:58:09 not on N900, read LIRC webpages for that Oct 24 15:59:52 hmm Oct 24 16:00:34 DocScrutinizer, Oct 24 16:00:39 i was offline and needed a manpage Oct 24 16:00:42 1:0 to you Oct 24 16:01:01 X-D Oct 24 16:01:17 apt-get install mandb-n900 Oct 24 16:01:30 which part of offline did you not get :P Oct 24 16:01:39 and does that install the manpages for existing packages Oct 24 16:01:52 fool, I'm suggesting to do it *now* Oct 24 16:02:17 i am still offline Oct 24 16:02:23 oh, wait :P Oct 24 16:02:24 and yes, it comes with a default manpages pkg Oct 24 16:02:55 as maemo pkgs never come with docs Oct 24 16:02:58 :-/ Oct 24 16:03:39 DocScrutinizer, which repo Oct 24 16:03:40 ~lart docpurge Oct 24 16:03:40 * infobot takes a big bite out of docpurge's jugular vein Oct 24 16:03:49 17:54 DocScrutinizer • the most important part is "download from LIRCdb" <--- nothing on the list reminds of my model name :D Oct 24 16:04:21 Xhinde: check the model name of your remote control, not of your appliance Oct 24 16:04:29 ... Oct 24 16:04:37 Why didnt i think of that :) Oct 24 16:05:50 maybe because irreco database is free of such a sensible thinking Oct 24 16:06:14 lcuk_mob: (repo) no idea Oct 24 16:06:36 maybe pkg is named slightly different, apt-cache search mandb will help Oct 24 16:06:45 is there an application that will display the day/date in the toolbar as well as the time? Oct 24 16:06:52 no Oct 24 16:06:57 man-db-n900 Oct 24 16:06:58 :( Oct 24 16:08:51 * DocScrutinizer throws a bag of cookies over to MohammadAG51, for listening to the Doc and building mandb Oct 24 16:09:49 MohammadAG51 just wanted men on his n900 :P Oct 24 16:10:48 * DocScrutinizer dreams of a community repo with all the right packages in it Oct 24 16:11:16 thats called maemo extras :P Oct 24 16:11:28 HAHAHA Oct 24 16:11:30 but for other stuff, yeah something should hopefully emerge Oct 24 16:11:37 LOL Oct 24 16:13:28 every package in that awesome repo would come with a *-doc package, and several would also have a *-debug. You could do a SSU and get MHD, and hostmode, and whatnot, all without giving it a brain Oct 24 16:13:38 fabien is probably laughing somewhere as we are promoting his neat software endlessly Oct 24 16:13:49 lcuk moo Oct 24 16:13:53 \o RST38h Oct 24 16:14:09 oshin: who's fabien? Oct 24 16:14:21 what's 'his software'? Oct 24 16:14:26 DocScrutinizer, stellariumobile Oct 24 16:14:30 ooh Oct 24 16:14:38 ah that....The Drama! Oct 24 16:14:59 * oshin involved, too bad. Oct 24 16:15:00 orrery FTW Oct 24 16:15:16 and for the battery Oct 24 16:15:34 hmmmm how do i join 2 stringlists in c++ into one string? (ie concatenate?) Oct 24 16:15:55 DocScrutinizer, did you try stellarium mobile? Oct 24 16:15:59 what is a stringlist? Oct 24 16:16:11 Noobmonk3y, duct tape class Oct 24 16:16:16 yay! Oct 24 16:16:17 i love orrery but i think it's quite different purpose. Oct 24 16:16:17 lol Oct 24 16:16:31 like this is more for entertainment. Oct 24 16:16:51 Noobmonk3y, kathy smiled at you and had nothing other than kind words about you yesterday :) Oct 24 16:17:02 http://pastebin.com/cLzDJuG3 - basically i am doing that twice, so want to join the variables :) Oct 24 16:17:13 awwww, Kathy's lovely :) :) Oct 24 16:17:34 wasn't hard to spot her at the meetup even though i had no idea what she looked like lol Oct 24 16:17:48 it mightv been made more difficult Oct 24 16:17:51 Where can i download Indian language packs ? Oct 24 16:17:54 had there been anything tall in the way Oct 24 16:17:57 like is there Hindi Language ? Oct 24 16:17:58 like a shoe box or something :P Oct 24 16:18:00 or some other Oct 24 16:18:01 lol very very true! Oct 24 16:19:05 Noob: this is not C++, this is Qt Oct 24 16:19:10 meh meh Oct 24 16:19:13 tis all the same to me Oct 24 16:19:16 (waits for abuse) Oct 24 16:19:33 why wait? just go and tell mrs Noobmonk3y you won't do the dishes :P Oct 24 16:19:44 lol lcuk!! hehehe Oct 24 16:19:44 Noob: You can traverse your QStringList with a loop, adding all elements to a single QString Oct 24 16:19:53 ooo that sounds clever RST38h :) Oct 24 16:20:00 Noob: This requires you to understand what "loop", "traverse", and "add" is, of course Oct 24 16:20:42 * Noobmonk3y thinks i got it hold on Oct 24 16:21:10 the gui script for skd installation tells me i wouldn't have python-qt4 Oct 24 16:21:17 which i just installed Oct 24 16:22:55 ah found the problem Oct 24 16:23:08 at least one… Oct 24 16:27:42 Could anyone compile this source for N900 for me? This sdk is just too much for me. http://eol.ovh.org/winexe/winexe-source-071026.tar.bz2 Oct 24 16:27:56 so, I'm having the "facebrick pops up a modal dialog". Is there a way of booting the n900 with just a terminal or something so I can apt-get remove facebrick? Oct 24 16:28:16 How long will it take to extract the Easy Debian package?! An hour or more? Oct 24 16:28:45 I tried ctrl-shift + x, but the facebrick modal intercepts keyboard input. :( Oct 24 16:28:59 dylan, eek! Oct 24 16:29:07 PontusOhman: took me 305 mins ish Oct 24 16:29:10 is your wifi enabled at this point Oct 24 16:29:10 35* Oct 24 16:29:11 lol Oct 24 16:29:26 it happens on boot, before wifi can be turned on Oct 24 16:29:48 I can get a terminal open, but there's not enough time to type anything before the modal starts Oct 24 16:30:10 Is there a way of getting at the rootfs? XD Oct 24 16:30:14 technically, (and I am not sure how effective this may be) would it be possible to install meego on the external mmc, boot it (by flashing a kernel) Oct 24 16:30:33 then from within meego, mount the normal maemo rootfs and alter/remove the file Oct 24 16:30:43 (purely hypothetical) Oct 24 16:30:51 Noobmonk3y: Ahhhh... Mine is now 35 min so will see whats happens next :p Oct 24 16:30:59 :) :) Oct 24 16:31:01 Noobmonk3y: Thx homie Oct 24 16:31:17 hehe, lol - it does seem to randomly differ for people though - some have said up to an hour Oct 24 16:35:04 Can one of you tell me which device in /dev the gsm device is? Oct 24 16:39:51 dylan: powerbutton menu ->kill current task ? Oct 24 16:54:59 a duck ate my N900 what do i do ? Oct 24 16:55:47 xDaReaperx: eat the duck. lol Oct 24 16:56:10 ok Oct 24 16:58:56 xDaReaperx, kill it, take n900 out Oct 24 17:00:32 lol Oct 24 17:05:58 can duck eat n900? Oct 24 17:06:05 big duck? Oct 24 17:06:14 * oshin carefully typed. Oct 24 17:06:58 oshin, I think he was joking Oct 24 17:07:54 ~seen MohammadAG51 Oct 24 17:08:04 mohammadag51 is currently on #maemo (2d 3h 58m 18s) #meego (2d 3h 58m 18s). Has said a total of 9 messages. Is idling for 4h 58m, last said: 'alterego, i released the update yesterday'. Oct 24 17:09:35 Myrtti: now what alarm is due for that? Oct 24 17:12:03 phryk: none. There's phonet0 and errr gprs0(?) in ifconfig Oct 24 17:15:35 hmmm Oct 24 17:15:47 does /home/user use NFS in any way? :o Oct 24 17:16:24 i get ls: ./MyDocs: Stale NFS file handle Oct 24 17:16:30 in /home/user Oct 24 17:16:52 the NFS is a lie. Oct 24 17:17:00 looks like it Oct 24 17:17:04 never saw any nfs Oct 24 17:17:09 FS borked? Oct 24 17:17:36 It may mean the fs has been mounted/unmounted from that dir Oct 24 17:18:01 nea it gives it on files too Oct 24 17:18:06 stale NFS is fs drives ultimate ratio error msg when the fs is fubar Oct 24 17:18:11 ls: ./stopdebian.sh: Stale NFS file handle Oct 24 17:18:27 mk Oct 24 17:18:33 awesome:P Oct 24 17:18:38 try to fsck.vfat it Oct 24 17:18:46 it's vfat? Oct 24 17:18:55 seems to be ext3 Oct 24 17:19:06 err sorry, yes Oct 24 17:19:27 tried that, only that doesn't work when apps are running ;) but yeah. just wanted to be sure before i moved on. Oct 24 17:19:35 on vfat there's no such thing like NFS inodes anyway Oct 24 17:20:30 hmmm Oct 24 17:26:07 BUG: no fsck of any kind involved in system init, no matter if fs is clean, can mount without problems, or has gone years without checking Oct 24 17:28:05 any way to mount this thing on a host machine as flash disk? Oct 24 17:28:08 (using usb?) Oct 24 17:30:22 nope Oct 24 17:30:25 Venemo_N810, ? Oct 24 17:31:14 hi Oct 24 17:31:23 I pm'd you Oct 24 17:31:30 100s lag, so excuse me Oct 24 17:31:42 np Oct 24 17:33:36 MohammadAG51, I asked, were you able to solve the qt resources issue? Oct 24 17:34:59 I think he sorted everything out in the end, did an updated release yesterday Oct 24 17:35:07 Have you looked much into my code? Oct 24 17:35:28 not much, but I have looked into it Oct 24 17:36:04 There's a bug in my fullscreen toggle and menu buttons that doesn't show the background opacity properly. Oct 24 17:36:13 Not really had a chance to look into it. Oct 24 17:37:51 okay Oct 24 17:38:45 well, as my N900 is at repair, I haven't really done any development for it lately Oct 24 17:39:00 but when I get it back, I'll try your stufff Oct 24 17:40:49 oh yeah forgot you're without at the moment :( Oct 24 17:41:22 I plan to setup scratchbox with Qt Creator integration tomorrow, when I've clean installed ubuntu 10.10 Oct 24 17:43:29 :) Oct 24 17:43:52 anyways, I have to go now Oct 24 17:43:58 goodbye guys :) Oct 24 17:48:21 GRRRR Oct 24 17:49:03 * DocScrutinizer encounters massive telnet connect tries from Turkey and Egypt (mainly) Oct 24 17:49:38 timely correlated bursts from several IPs. Looks like a botnet Oct 24 17:51:35 also some HINET-IP.hinet.net - our wellknown spammers in Taiwan Oct 24 17:53:32 hey is there anyway to print from the n900 if I have a wifi printer?? Oct 24 17:53:51 no printing function in n900 standard os :/ Oct 24 17:53:57 I think there's cups Oct 24 17:54:06 Venemo_N810, yeah, forgot :/images/ at the start (even when prefixed) Oct 24 17:54:11 Stskeeps: s/os/apps/ Oct 24 17:54:26 meh Oct 24 17:54:34 1k second lag Oct 24 17:54:44 DocScrutinizer: true Oct 24 17:54:56 hmm interesting Oct 24 18:07:55 anyone have any ideas why my qt webkit view thingy appears with black background Oct 24 18:08:04 i wonder if that is the qt system theme... Oct 24 18:08:35 handset ux? Oct 24 18:11:20 nah, this is maemo Oct 24 18:11:46 Heh, Oct 24 18:12:06 i'm playing with a qml app on maemo Oct 24 18:14:42 Qml is fun :) Oct 24 18:15:06 ahh, passing -style=qt to qmlviewer fixed it Oct 24 18:18:46 Moodie, you can use http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd to mount everything you ever wanted :) Oct 24 18:18:56 (on a host machine) Oct 24 18:20:52 passing -opengl to qmlviewer makes everything crawl Oct 24 18:21:08 well, make qml crawl Oct 24 18:22:38 trip0: yeah, don't do it :P Oct 24 18:22:46 Stskeeps: what is up in meego land recently? Oct 24 18:23:02 I don't think you need to anyway, should already be composited Oct 24 18:23:32 if i run without, will it be hardware accelerated? Oct 24 18:24:27 I believe so, it certainly performs well enough regardless. Oct 24 18:24:35 It looks better too. Oct 24 18:24:58 antialiasing seems better for some reason. Oct 24 18:25:10 true Oct 24 18:26:30 tybollt, meego 1.1 should be out next week Oct 24 18:27:54 woo Oct 24 18:28:41 anyone know app that can have blocks of commandline and can have parameter adjust, assign icons for blocks or a single invocation. collecting them as tools? Oct 24 18:29:03 oshin: I have no idea what you mean :) Oct 24 18:29:21 By blocks do you mean a script? Oct 24 18:29:44 hehe, i know i need to rephrase that. Oct 24 18:29:56 You're free to write scripts and write a .desktop file to make that script runnable from the applications menu Oct 24 18:30:12 alterego, like, some gui tools that can help you write some scripts Oct 24 18:30:26 tybollt: release on wednesday.. Oct 24 18:30:33 encapsulate a script into a block, with assigned icon, these blocks can be shared among users. Oct 24 18:31:14 like.. [block to find all images] -> [block to send a collection of file to my machine] Oct 24 18:31:35 so user can visually program a script themselves w/o getting into terminal Oct 24 18:31:53 oshin: you may want to see http://maemo.org/packages/view/queen-beecon/ Oct 24 18:32:02 though it does not do tht Oct 24 18:32:09 VladNistor: thanks for the useful pointer :-D Oct 24 18:32:18 SpeedEvil, yeh, i like that. Oct 24 18:32:31 tmo search is so crap :( Oct 24 18:32:49 SpeedEvil, I am thinking if I want to start one, something that can do that and also a front end to graphicsmagick. Oct 24 18:33:04 so user can use it to manipulate their photos.. sorta.. Oct 24 18:33:07 lcuk: okay, so I'll fash my phone with the meego kernel, boot from mmc, somehow remove facebrick, then how do I get the maemo5 kernel back? Oct 24 18:33:13 *flash. Oct 24 18:33:28 oshin: zenity comes to mind Oct 24 18:33:42 :) my pleasure Oct 24 18:33:49 * oshin googles zenity Oct 24 18:33:59 dylan: why flash? you can just get the N900 to boot the kernel without replacing any maemo bits Oct 24 18:34:21 only because the howto said to. Oct 24 18:34:31 Oh :/ Oct 24 18:34:41 Well, wrong howto : Oct 24 18:34:43 I'm not at all interested in meego, I just want to unbrick my phone. Oct 24 18:34:48 dylan: see VladNistor's link!! Oct 24 18:34:58 dd image to mmc Oct 24 18:35:00 DocScrutinizer, may be that and something like Blender's node, you can have node represent a command line, do one thing, and trigger sibling nodes through a DAG Oct 24 18:35:05 a graph Oct 24 18:35:15 then flasher-3.5 -l -b -k kernel Oct 24 18:35:22 link is http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd Oct 24 18:35:26 and you can collapse a collection of nodes into one tool. Oct 24 18:35:47 and you can further treat a tool as node. Oct 24 18:35:51 alterego, doesn't he want -f instead of -l ? or does he not want to perminantly unbrick his phone? Oct 24 18:35:59 good bad idea? Oct 24 18:36:19 trip0: I dunno, Oct 24 18:37:04 trip0: he wants to run fsck on /home Oct 24 18:37:06 a find node wrapper can take a few inputs and arrange them for gnu find command. Oct 24 18:37:45 * Noobmonk3y meh's Oct 24 18:38:02 thanks a lot. :) Oct 24 18:38:12 trip0: so what VladNistor came up with is *exactly* what dylan needs Oct 24 18:38:32 frals: alive? Oct 24 18:38:34 well, very nearly. Oct 24 18:38:42 Noobmonk3y: aye Oct 24 18:38:50 Noobmonk3y: playing wow thou so keep highlighting me :p Oct 24 18:38:53 i think it's like os x automator Oct 24 18:39:00 What would be best would be mounting it to an arm vm so I could chroot into my phone's rootfs and apt-get remove facebrick Oct 24 18:39:01 ooo wow, just thought i'd say hi! as i haven't properly done it in w while! Oct 24 18:39:04 ooo ahhhhh wow! Oct 24 18:39:23 frals, surely if i keep highlighting you i will pi$$ you off, and you will screw up wow? Oct 24 18:39:25 Noobmonk3y: yeah i was clean for 18 months but now im hooked again :p Oct 24 18:39:55 dylan: it's not optimum (which would be a rescue shell builtin to maemo ala 'init -s'), but it's comprehensive, nondestructive, and clearly described how to do it Oct 24 18:41:13 I found that link on the wiki about repartitioning the internal memory, so credit goes to the wiki writer :) Oct 24 18:41:47 there is the T option for recovery terminal, i've never used it though Oct 24 18:41:47 anyone know i could do well with qt mobile/javascript binding? Oct 24 18:42:02 like if anyone could do well. Oct 24 18:42:36 i don't do python Oct 24 18:42:46 use qml? Oct 24 18:43:07 dylan: (apt-get remove) ops, so now I mixed up your problem with the fubar ext3 fs "stale NFS" Oct 24 18:43:11 sorry Oct 24 18:43:54 trip0, thanks, looks good Oct 24 18:44:00 dylan: didn't the sugested powerbutton-menu work for killing of "current task" which happens to be facebrick? Oct 24 18:44:20 DocScrutinizer: it's a modal dialog and thus not a "current task" Oct 24 18:44:30 wut? Oct 24 18:44:52 aiui 'kill current task' terminates the process Oct 24 18:45:03 it does not see facebrick Oct 24 18:45:06 incl all modal and whatnot windows, requesters etc Oct 24 18:45:19 ouch Oct 24 18:45:32 if I start terminal (ctrl-shift-x) Oct 24 18:45:43 then it can kill current task (= terminal) Oct 24 18:45:49 meh Oct 24 18:45:53 even though I can't really see the terminal or interact with it Oct 24 18:46:12 so pondered starting facebrick nstead? Oct 24 18:46:13 how do i force an app into portrait mode? Oct 24 18:46:31 DocScrutinizer: is there a way to do that without being able to see or do anything? Oct 24 18:46:51 WM_X-MAEMO-FOO-ORIENTATION-PORTRAIT=true Oct 24 18:47:13 DocScrutinizer, in the desktop file Oct 24 18:47:14 ? Oct 24 18:47:28 or is that a enironment varable? Oct 24 18:48:03 dylan: not really, your best bet is to use the above intitrd and log in via USB terminal to a normal shell. There you can do whatever apt-blah you want Oct 24 18:48:11 or kill processes, whatever Oct 24 18:48:43 Hi ! Oct 24 18:48:52 trip0: that'S a QObject property (yes, it's incorrect statement - I'm no Qt devel) Oct 24 18:49:30 It s funny to see that QtWebkit seems faster than Microb Oct 24 18:49:41 trip0: I dunno if there's any way to force an app into portrait from .desktop or the like Oct 24 18:49:55 and it s support well undernet webchat Oct 24 18:50:19 DocScrutinizer: USB terminal? Oct 24 18:50:31 Khertan_Khrowser, it's not surprising that qtwebkit is faster than microb being based on mozilla Oct 24 18:50:54 trip0: mozilla is a fast engine too Oct 24 18:50:58 MohammadAG = Guest93339 ... freakydeaky Oct 24 18:51:02 not as fast though Oct 24 18:51:11 in fact, firefox is a pig Oct 24 18:51:25 dylan: >> Oct 24 18:51:26 Start recovery terminal (T) Oct 24 18:51:27 i stopped using it when chromium came out Oct 24 18:51:28 Contains busybox functionality Oct 24 18:51:47 hrm Oct 24 18:51:52 I can't see anything on the screen Oct 24 18:51:58 it's like the brightness is at 0 Oct 24 18:52:07 can you plug it into the tv? Oct 24 18:52:08 ;) Oct 24 18:52:12 and use the tv out : Oct 24 18:52:14 :) Oct 24 18:52:21 Noobmonk3y: meh Oct 24 18:52:23 can I unplug it from usb now? Oct 24 18:52:29 meh meh? Oct 24 18:52:41 Noobmonk3y: can you stick your finger into the mains outlet? Oct 24 18:52:44 did i just say something clever? or should i go back to sleep? Oct 24 18:52:45 i think firefox is faster when more pages were open? Oct 24 18:53:10 webkit went downhill over multiple tabs in my past experience. Oct 24 18:53:21 oshin firefox is faster when you want to block ads :) Oct 24 18:53:24 dylan, unless you mounted your memory on the pc you should be able to unplug, yes Oct 24 18:53:38 :) Oct 24 18:54:01 otherwise unmount and then unplug Oct 24 18:54:01 webkit has nothing to do with tabs Oct 24 18:54:14 it's a webkit vs gecko question Oct 24 18:54:27 tabs means many pages open at once Oct 24 18:54:45 that's a browser detail, not a rendering engine detail Oct 24 18:54:52 * VladNistor-mob uses chrome, likes it beter than gecko Oct 24 18:54:56 if the engine manage memory right or share mem better. Oct 24 18:55:00 i mean webkit Oct 24 18:55:14 or reused preallocated resource. Oct 24 18:55:24 reuse* Oct 24 18:55:30 oshin, maybe, but again, webkit has no concept of tabs so sharing is out of the question Oct 24 18:55:33 dylan: check initscripts/events & xsession to find where facebrick gets started Oct 24 18:55:40 and it's up to the implementation to cache stuff Oct 24 18:55:49 edit Oct 24 18:55:50 trip0, it's not a tab i meant Oct 24 18:56:02 but threads Oct 24 18:56:04 start up maemo without facebrick modal madness Oct 24 18:56:23 DocScrutinizer: I just moved the executable Oct 24 18:56:29 hoping that works Oct 24 18:56:36 :-P should work Oct 24 18:56:52 at any rate, chromium is loads faster than firefox for me... regardless of how many tabs i have open. Oct 24 18:57:10 i don't care much about memory on my desktop cuz I have loads of that Oct 24 18:57:25 long term, chrome uses less memory for me. Oct 24 18:57:29 webkit also load much faster than firefox Oct 24 18:57:40 well, since chromium use a forked Oct 24 18:57:43 I used to have a cronjob to kill -9 firefox every night at 4am, so that it would be "fast" the next day Oct 24 18:57:57 oshin, true Oct 24 18:58:26 woo! I have my phone back Oct 24 18:58:39 :-D Oct 24 19:00:26 gald to hear that :P Oct 24 19:00:34 glad i mean :P Oct 24 19:00:48 Thanks, ValdNistor. ;) Oct 24 19:00:53 http://www.theonion.com/video/sony-releases-new-stupid-piece-of-shit-that-doesnt,14309/ Oct 24 19:06:44 what does maemo-select-menu-location do? Oct 24 19:06:55 nothing on m5 it seems Oct 24 19:07:19 MohammadAG51, I installed graphicsmagick from biadlo and i need to get rid of that from post-install Oct 24 19:07:29 should that be safe? Oct 24 19:07:40 biadlo? Oct 24 19:07:41 diablo* Oct 24 19:07:43 sorry. Oct 24 19:08:00 nice typo though Oct 24 19:08:23 graphics magick, you can convert images, manipulate, mix 2 images etc etc with it. Oct 24 19:08:24 hehe Oct 24 19:08:40 at command line Oct 24 19:08:55 very good tool no idea why nobody want to port it. Oct 24 19:10:55 oshin, it's available for diablo and not fremantle? Oct 24 19:11:08 MohammadAG51, just diablo, no fremantle. Oct 24 19:11:11 It appears that mmcblk0 is a 3 partition flash disk internal to the n900 which shows me I/O errors all the time breaking applications and breaking normal working with the device did anybody of you see this before? Oct 24 19:11:37 oshin, it might only need compilation Oct 24 19:11:41 but installation is just fine, just have to remove the line. the old package seems to have a few object code archive and headers around. Oct 24 19:11:50 xxtjaxx, defective device Oct 24 19:11:55 no use but good for development. Oct 24 19:12:14 MohammadAG51, i think so. I never build a package though. Oct 24 19:12:33 like not in 5 years Oct 24 19:12:48 MohammadAG51: Its still in guarentee so getting it replaced will be a no-brainer right? Oct 24 19:13:05 xxtjaxx, yep, should be done on the spot Oct 24 19:14:44 nice Oct 24 19:14:57 Thanks and have a good evening folks! Oct 24 19:15:00 oh no Oct 24 19:15:02 * oshin digs qml Oct 24 19:15:10 i think i have a problem with python Oct 24 19:15:17 shit :( Oct 24 19:15:57 anyone want to help me with a front end for graphics magick and other commandline tools that will be done with qml are welcome Oct 24 19:16:32 oshin: for mutt? ;) Oct 24 19:16:40 i'm onboard :> Oct 24 19:16:41 pw, sorry i don't read mail :) Oct 24 19:16:50 mutt the mail client right? Oct 24 19:16:54 yes Oct 24 19:17:00 i used that long time ago Oct 24 19:17:53 i am starting qml a couple minute ago want to do app that can encapsulate a command line tool as a reusable gui node block that can be put in a DAGraph Oct 24 19:17:55 DocScrutinizer, can you disconnect my znc? Oct 24 19:18:01 pull the plug on it Oct 24 19:18:17 sure, np. Why? Oct 24 19:18:29 i like znc ;) Oct 24 19:18:33 It's lagging a lot, i've missed a lot of PMs today Oct 24 19:18:40 -'ve Oct 24 19:18:46 so I got a closer one Oct 24 19:18:57 lag is between me and your server, not me and freenode Oct 24 19:19:07 so you like to permanently cancel that account? Oct 24 19:19:30 either that, or temporarly disable it Oct 24 19:19:53 can't you simply log out? Oct 24 19:20:13 hmm, how? Oct 24 19:20:21 i can't query *status, it doesn't reply Oct 24 19:20:26 err, *status help Oct 24 19:20:30 ooh Oct 24 19:20:36 yeah, too much lag Oct 24 19:20:54 k, I'll comment out your account and restart it Oct 24 19:21:25 and i can't transmit or receive mms on the n900 Oct 24 19:21:32 i want to shoot the guy who made floodbot Oct 24 19:21:34 moin Oct 24 19:21:39 hi Oct 24 19:21:45 MohammadAG51, you've changed your nickname, so I'll have to ask again: How much is 2 plus 1 (2+1)? Oct 24 19:21:55 3 you stupid bot, I'm cloaked Oct 24 19:21:58 oshin: use you mms? ;) Oct 24 19:24:23 okay nice i can see errors http://coffee-addicts.org/fmms.log Oct 24 19:24:55 pw, mms? Oct 24 19:25:16 oshin: 'multi media messages' with fmms? Oct 24 19:25:32 pw, I don't know, I mplayer mms://something eventually Oct 24 19:25:40 ;) Oct 24 19:25:42 i don't know much about this broadcasting thing. Oct 24 19:25:55 that's not the same :D Oct 24 19:26:05 heheh i see Oct 24 19:26:28 pw: you have the wrong APN in settings Oct 24 19:26:32 ah Oct 24 19:26:34 mms Oct 24 19:26:38 i know it now Oct 24 19:26:45 pw: it shouldnt be the name of the access point but the actually access point name.. check wiki.maemo.org/MMS Oct 24 19:26:46 like sms Oct 24 19:27:03 no, i dont use it. Oct 24 19:27:28 it's late, i just didn't have that in my head for some reasons Oct 24 19:27:50 i used to use it when i was using ericsson t68 Oct 24 19:27:57 people are still using that? Oct 24 19:28:03 apparently Oct 24 19:28:13 cool Oct 24 19:28:18 MohammadAG51_: your lag is probably caused by some mossad biological NAT/FW falen asleep, so deep packet inspection to hetzner IPs is laggy Oct 24 19:28:30 i thought push mail should kill it Oct 24 19:28:30 have about 700k downloads of fmms so i recon someone uses it still Oct 24 19:28:42 LOL Oct 24 19:28:51 frals: hmm Oct 24 19:29:12 lol Oct 24 19:29:44 frals: do you have fmms CC'ing you on all incoming mms? Oct 24 19:29:44 :P Oct 24 19:29:48 * oshin checks fmms Oct 24 19:30:10 Stskeeps: sccch! ;) Oct 24 19:34:39 frals: i can't see the fault Oct 24 19:35:38 pw: You have: "Access point name: T-Mobile MMS", you should have: "Access Point Name: mms.t-d1.de", see http://wiki.maemo.org/MMS#T-Mobile_Germany_.28Also_Congstar.29 Oct 24 19:40:45 frals: ah okay, now i have 'mms.t-d1.de' try to success Oct 24 19:41:45 'downloading mms...' Oct 24 19:42:03 or waiting for timeout :) Oct 24 19:43:43 RevdKathy, not really here, but hiya \o Oct 24 19:43:54 Hiya! Oct 24 19:44:20 * lcuk is v tired after long sleep last night Oct 24 19:44:51 Now you're just trying to make people gossip! Not my fault if you didn't sleep! Oct 24 19:44:51 khertans bugtracker never accepted any of hte hundred bugs we attempted this morning Oct 24 19:45:10 Not surprised. It can't do basic arithmatic! Oct 24 19:45:16 :D Oct 24 19:52:50 Goodnight all Oct 24 19:53:38 good night RevdKathy :) Oct 24 19:53:51 :) Oct 24 19:53:59 * RevdKathy needs a yawn smilie Oct 24 19:56:36 my n810 OS is bust, I was going to install onto an SD card anyway, can I do that straight from windows/linux? Oct 24 20:02:58 frals: nice i can send me a mms and i became a 'push Oct 24 20:02:59 ' Oct 24 20:03:13 but it downloads now over 10minutes Oct 24 20:03:40 pw, isnt that related to the connection Oct 24 20:24:44 to send a mms you need more than >5minutes Oct 24 20:30:08 Wikileaks data on IED attacks in afghanistan mapped to 1:30 video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlfQQnH6_Cc Oct 24 20:51:42 works slowly but it works Oct 24 20:53:27 hm delete old mms there i can't receive... Oct 24 21:38:56 could these qt libs in extra-dev required for playing with qml cause trobles installing pr1.3? Oct 24 21:40:28 can't see why Oct 24 21:53:43 1.3 is released? Oct 24 21:53:49 and no note on MLs? Oct 24 21:53:54 DocScrutinizer: ^ hey :) Oct 24 21:54:22 No, 1.3 isn't released yet, I'm hoping it'll be out in the next couple of weeks. Oct 24 21:54:32 Would be nice if it coincided with the MeeGo 1.1 release. Oct 24 21:54:41 Though there's no reason for that to actually happen ^.^ Oct 24 21:55:30 alterego: right :)( Oct 24 21:55:39 Reading the backlog, there has been some interesting discussion going on here Oct 24 21:55:49 biological weapons of mass destructions, etc Oct 24 21:55:54 Heh Oct 24 21:56:03 Can't say I've been paying much attention to be honest ;) Oct 24 21:56:18 frals: have you set a mms gateway for your app? :) Oct 24 21:56:26 frals: given Stskeeps 's remakrs. Oct 24 21:56:41 * sivang is just being silly Oct 24 21:57:10 alterego: my python key value store prototype passses all tests, I'm now setting up lenny chroot for packaging Oct 24 21:57:28 alterego: do you remember how python stuff are packages these days in debian by any chance? Oct 24 21:57:32 (terribly off topic) Oct 24 21:58:19 alterego: last I did that it had only python-central Oct 24 21:58:20 Can't say I used anything special to generate my backages. Oct 24 21:58:34 Just cp'd them in my debian/rules file to where they were supposed to be. Oct 24 21:58:37 alterego: well, you sort's have to wire into python's setuptools Oct 24 21:58:50 * javispedro concludes that, at this point, tmo is still worth it. Oct 24 21:59:00 javispedro: why now? Oct 24 21:59:02 I think SNR has slightly improved since the crazy days Oct 24 21:59:08 alterego: hmm, so the proper way is to have this setuptools deal with it, and only call it from debian/rules Oct 24 21:59:20 Dunno Oct 24 21:59:26 anyway, I'm off to #debian@ oftc Oct 24 21:59:32 Check out someone elses package, like one of the pymaemo guys. Oct 24 21:59:44 cheer all, see you later when I'vefinished my little project. Oct 24 21:59:54 o/ Oct 24 22:00:00 alterego: let's say I've got quite useful PMs, and slightly above the SNR I expected on the preenv thread. Oct 24 22:00:54 Good for you :) Oct 24 22:01:00 it has remind me of the first days of drnoksnes, and back then, while there was still complains about the decaying SNR on tmo, I would not have said it was "awful" Oct 24 22:01:50 you still have to avoid flamewar topics like the plague, though. Oct 24 22:02:04 but the worst offenders have already gone to "greener" pastures I say. Oct 24 22:02:10 I can't, I'm like a fly to a flourescent ^.^ Oct 24 22:02:21 Yeah, heh Oct 24 22:03:18 * alterego attempts to build mtf Oct 24 22:03:28 alterego: which target? Oct 24 22:03:39 just my laptop Oct 24 22:04:05 x86, debian-like? Oct 24 22:04:29 well, tbh my knowledge is rusting a bit already :( Oct 24 22:04:37 x86_64 ubuntu 10.04 Oct 24 22:04:49 good luck :) Oct 24 22:06:04 Can't be that hard? :P Oct 24 22:06:27 when I first tried it it seemed unsurmountable Oct 24 22:06:40 I submited some patchs to make it build on x86_64.. Oct 24 22:07:17 oh, all ahve been merged. Oct 24 22:08:00 Will probably take a while though .. Oct 24 22:08:16 naa, 0.01% the time needed to built qt itself. Oct 24 22:08:29 *build Oct 24 22:08:46 ok do you guys let women act like tv show queens? Oct 24 22:09:10 do you actually let women whip you around like they do on the telivision? Oct 24 22:09:26 tv show queen, what a paradoxon Oct 24 22:09:55 i think the television makes women think they can act like children, DocScrutinizer51 Oct 24 22:10:12 pupnik: probably Oct 24 22:10:33 ~trout pupnik Oct 24 22:10:34 * infobot slaps pupnik around a bit with a large trout! Oct 24 22:10:44 ~attack pupnik Oct 24 22:10:45 well what do you guys think about carol Oct 24 22:10:50 pupnik: Carol who? Oct 24 22:10:51 my girl Oct 24 22:10:52 carol who? Oct 24 22:10:55 * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing pupnik Oct 24 22:10:56 carol chen Oct 24 22:11:03 Heh Oct 24 22:11:06 Don't know her. Oct 24 22:11:17 Anyhow, g'night bed time for me .. Oct 24 22:11:33 she got all upset because i chose to fix my furnace instead of drive 320km to pick her up from the airport Oct 24 22:11:41 pupnik: Why are you telling us this? Oct 24 22:11:55 i think women who act like kids should get outed Oct 24 22:12:10 anybody tried/using sygic? Oct 24 22:12:22 pupnik: Why are you expressing that opinion in an IRC channel whose purpose is in contemplation and furtherance of Maemo? Oct 24 22:12:49 this is a dead end channel of old farts Oct 24 22:12:57 =) Oct 24 22:13:00 was wondering whether sygic lets mediaplayer play in the background? Oct 24 22:13:02 pupnik: You've mistaken this channel for your mother's bedroom. Sorry... Oct 24 22:13:13 ohnoes, sheduled event: pupnik getting philosophical Oct 24 22:13:32 javispedro: try kotczarny's new osc program! it is fun! #liqbase Oct 24 22:14:18 pupnik: linkie? Oct 24 22:14:25 also, since sygic runs fullscreen is it possible to goto home screen without invoking hardware keyboard. Oct 24 22:14:32 chanie Oct 24 22:15:59 was wondering whether mediaplayer could skip a track by pressing camera button. Oct 24 22:16:23 will be quite useful while running sygic. Oct 24 22:17:25 unfortunately cant find a car mount which can take my otterbox. so cant use keyboard if i run sygic maps. Oct 24 22:17:43 not many sygic users here i guess. Oct 24 22:23:46 trumee: no, I do not have sygic. Does it mute the media player really? Oct 24 22:24:26 javispedro, it was a question :) Oct 24 22:24:40 ah :P Oct 24 22:25:00 gah, now my touchscreen is deadish, damn you n810 Oct 24 22:25:30 javispedro, but guess it should mute it otherwise voice navigation would be tricky. Oct 24 22:26:10 well, using phone as satnav is PITA anyways Oct 24 22:26:23 just use tomtom Oct 24 22:26:35 advantage is that it is portable Oct 24 22:26:51 tomtom is portable as well Oct 24 22:27:02 it's probably even lighter than n900 Oct 24 22:27:18 tomtom i agree is better as sat nav Oct 24 22:27:45 and cheaper Oct 24 22:27:55 but i carry my N900 in my pocket but dont carry tomtom everywhere i go. Oct 24 22:28:29 well, but why you need voice navigation when you're not in a car? Oct 24 22:28:44 jacekowski, walking? Oct 24 22:29:10 car navigation for walking Oct 24 22:29:22 not very efficient Oct 24 22:29:49 jacekowski, most satnavs can suggest routes for walking Oct 24 22:30:47 easier to look into a phone for map than carry a tomtom in a hand Oct 24 22:31:02 not sygic Oct 24 22:31:17 less of embarrassment on the street :p Oct 24 22:32:29 sygic doesn't do routes for walking? Oct 24 22:32:48 unbelievable. even ovi maps does. Oct 24 22:33:09 ovi maps does stuff? since when? :O Oct 24 22:33:16 touché. Oct 24 22:33:30 only advantage of sygic over ovi maps is voice Oct 24 22:33:44 which is why i don't understand why nokia is not planning to add it Oct 24 22:33:53 route recalculation? not requiring stupid internet to search for pois? Oct 24 22:34:08 s/requiring stupid/stupidly requiring Oct 24 22:34:09 that's minor problems Oct 24 22:34:15 "minor"? Oct 24 22:34:22 easy to fix Oct 24 22:34:28 like voice. Oct 24 22:34:33 nokia just abandoned it apparently Oct 24 22:35:02 HAH, voice guidance is sooo simple Oct 24 22:35:22 if you don't need a decent just in time guidance Oct 24 22:35:23 even if were über rocket science (which it isn't) they already have it in the form of symbian ovi maps! Oct 24 22:35:56 ack Oct 24 22:36:15 jacekowski, has it been abandoned? Oct 24 22:36:51 there was a blog from nokia that they were working on it for maemo. Oct 24 22:37:02 yesssssssss Oct 24 22:37:04 but when I was involved in developing GPS guidance at Siemens automotive, it wasn't exactly simple to schedule the announcements accordingly Oct 24 22:37:08 so sure about that. Oct 24 22:37:21 DocScrutinizer51: i mean, they already did it for another platoforms Oct 24 22:46:24 i'm still tempted to be able to dualboot tomtom software and maemo Oct 24 22:47:16 pretty much all required stuff is already there in kernel Oct 24 22:48:12 @nice idea Oct 24 22:48:18 a * Oct 24 22:51:03 Hello Oct 24 22:51:36 I installed Cisco VPNC but i cannot find the program in my phone, where can i find it? Oct 24 22:52:11 jacekowski, wow is that possible? Oct 24 22:52:50 jacekowski, can tomtom binaries run on N900? Oct 24 22:53:22 instruction set is compatible Oct 24 22:53:39 in terms of binary compatibility Oct 24 22:53:44 but tomtom is using framebuffer Oct 24 22:53:55 and n900 gps is connected to rapuyama Oct 24 22:54:21 so it it wouldn't be plug and play sort of style Oct 24 22:54:32 but somebody ran it on other linux based pda long time ago Oct 24 22:55:46 is there any sql client that can be used and connect to a database via VPN? Oct 24 22:56:06 depends on database Oct 24 22:56:30 Oracle Oct 24 22:56:54 why is the fact that's a vpn important? Oct 24 22:57:05 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=11681 Oct 24 22:58:18 I use cisco VPN to work from home Oct 24 22:58:27 so? Oct 24 22:58:41 a vpn is another network interface Oct 24 23:00:54 basically what i want to do is... connect to cisco vpn and then run my sql queries using a sql program Oct 24 23:02:07 so do that Oct 24 23:06:54 crap Oct 24 23:07:06 anybody know the cyanogen # ? Oct 24 23:07:14 ? Oct 24 23:07:23 want to se if i can get it installed on a cliq Oct 24 23:07:25 we need an app to track politicians Oct 24 23:07:50 anybody who sites one of those cocksuckers enters the location to an openstreetmap database Oct 24 23:07:59 pupnik: cnn doesnt have an app? Oct 24 23:08:04 no Oct 24 23:08:12 we need an app to track every politician Oct 24 23:08:22 real time Oct 24 23:08:37 like i said... cnn ;) Oct 24 23:08:45 let's do it Oct 24 23:09:07 any foss facial recognition software? Oct 24 23:09:18 the submissions would need verification Oct 24 23:09:31 for e.g. politician getting out of car in front of ritz hotel Oct 24 23:09:32 lol Oct 24 23:09:47 you'd need to be able to flash those satanic lizards Oct 24 23:09:55 and then do a shazam-type lookup Oct 24 23:10:02 to match their skin mask Oct 24 23:10:22 we could also do a genocide game Oct 24 23:10:27 for maemo Oct 24 23:11:02 because we just loled at genocide for the past 20 years Oct 24 23:11:04 lol Oct 24 23:12:32 my gf has my n900 and i have her cliq Oct 24 23:12:54 why do i feel like she is driving around in my corvette while i have a pinto? Oct 24 23:14:18 so, how can I do that? Oct 24 23:14:21 pupnik: opencv Oct 24 23:15:23 pupnik: and you could hack cctv network Oct 24 23:15:28 pupnik: or mobile phone network Oct 24 23:15:41 or oth Oct 24 23:15:43 both Oct 24 23:16:00 i'm up for talks Oct 24 23:16:08 these pompous asses Oct 24 23:16:14 who pretend to have 'authority; Oct 24 23:16:15 Macer: you have the pinto, but i'm not sure i'd call the n900 corvette Oct 24 23:16:23 are just the fucktards from grade school Oct 24 23:16:30 do you want to let the stupid kids rule you? Oct 24 23:16:39 let's call it a delorean... it's got some cool stuff, but ultimately is an underpowered niche joke with no support Oct 24 23:17:06 ieatlint: but it's a time machine Oct 24 23:17:19 pompous asses should be made fun of Oct 24 23:17:21 jacekowski: oh yeah, it's also fucking awesome like that Oct 24 23:17:29 like in soviet times Oct 24 23:17:34 we are in the same times in the west Oct 24 23:17:44 the usa hires a million people to spy on the world? Oct 24 23:17:50 insane soviet idiocy Oct 24 23:17:53 you've chosen them Oct 24 23:17:55 it will be self destructive Oct 24 23:17:56 it's only your fault Oct 24 23:18:00 and you are only to blame Oct 24 23:18:14 you/me/we Oct 24 23:18:22 no Oct 24 23:18:22 are you on some sort of meth high? Oct 24 23:18:24 i don't vote Oct 24 23:18:33 hyperactive and paranoid == awesome Oct 24 23:18:35 to protest against government Oct 24 23:19:21 ieatlint: i'm way ahead of most idiots in the tyranny analysis situation. and i've been proven right for 17 years. and nobody disproves anything i say. Oct 24 23:19:43 you're a scared little momma's boy who doesn't want to observe wider flows Oct 24 23:19:53 pupnik: because it's all the same thing Oct 24 23:19:59 pupnik: for 17 or more years Oct 24 23:20:04 just under different names Oct 24 23:20:18 pupnik: i'm surrounded by people like you far too often, and despite your self-proclaimed clairvoyance of politics and life, the thing you seem most dense to perceive is that the rest of us a don't give a fuck Oct 24 23:20:46 hahahaha Oct 24 23:21:08 ieatlint: you don't understand why people care about maemo Oct 24 23:21:30 and please keep showing us how you take the horse thing up your cloaca Oct 24 23:21:32 people don't care about maemo :P Oct 24 23:21:38 I do. Oct 24 23:21:54 people in general don't, i mean Oct 24 23:23:42 right Oct 24 23:23:52 what would you do if you lived in nazi germany? Oct 24 23:23:59 "i would stop the murders!@!!!@!#" Oct 24 23:24:04 well you live in nazi germany now Oct 24 23:24:10 millions are being killed Oct 24 23:24:16 and you don't even notice it Oct 24 23:24:23 that's how fucked in the head you all are Oct 24 23:24:36 all of ou Oct 24 23:24:38 that's a loaded question, i don't live in nazi germany and i can't hope to guess how i would handle such circumstances Oct 24 23:25:18 you watched 2 million people be killed Oct 24 23:25:26 and said nothing Oct 24 23:25:36 i somehow don't recall that Oct 24 23:25:40 right Oct 24 23:25:49 that's this insanity thing Oct 24 23:25:49 probably because you're talking out of your ass Oct 24 23:25:58 no because reality is that bent Oct 24 23:26:07 ieatlint: ignore pupnik, he gets drunk and goes off like this once a month or se Oct 24 23:26:11 we just had a genocide Oct 24 23:26:19 and we all talked about video games Oct 24 23:26:32 asj: fair enough Oct 24 23:26:32 pupnik: stop ihsulting people Oct 24 23:26:36 we just had a genocide Oct 24 23:26:37 and we all talked about video games Oct 24 23:27:35 and the murderers are plotting a new genocide Oct 24 23:27:36 lol Oct 24 23:27:47 time to work on open-source anti-missile projects Oct 24 23:28:03 and networked airspace observatoin Oct 24 23:28:15 anything to prevent these motherfuckers from terminator mode Oct 24 23:28:27 Wrong number from ANOTHER credit collection angency. Oct 24 23:28:39 stfu GAN900 Oct 24 23:28:43 * GAN900 will murder Linda Klempz. Oct 24 23:28:44 topic is serious Oct 24 23:28:48 pupnik, nou. Oct 24 23:28:54 you goin jew on us? Oct 24 23:29:32 pupnik: I warned you not to offend or insult people! Oct 24 23:29:41 ok Oct 24 23:29:49 hmpf. Oct 24 23:30:03 well, now that that's over, i can go back to my genocide Oct 24 23:31:48 mid-life crisis, they say. I'm too young to understand it either way. Oct 24 23:31:55 DocScrutinizer51: you can hide the banhammer now :) Oct 24 23:32:11 not sure about it Oct 24 23:32:26 and it's tedious on N900 Oct 24 23:32:35 to switch Oct 24 23:42:04 my n810 is dying, what should I replace it with?, around same price, no contract Oct 24 23:43:26 Dyning how? Oct 24 23:43:32 wlso - where ar eyou? Oct 24 23:43:48 touchscreen is going, battery charging is messed up Oct 24 23:45:04 don't want to consider an N900? Oct 24 23:45:21 Are you sure it's not just needing a nrew battery? Oct 24 23:45:26 too expensive Oct 24 23:45:29 Also - I think you can get touch panels Oct 24 23:46:01 apparently I could replace the connector cable, but that's tricky, and they're not cheap Oct 24 23:48:22 will china make multitouch resistive screen for n900? Oct 24 23:48:40 no Oct 24 23:49:09 A clone display/screen is easy Oct 24 23:49:26 A panel adding new functionality is hard, as it would require actual work. Oct 24 23:49:31 and drivers Oct 24 23:49:57 :( Oct 24 23:50:10 i won't want a capacitive screen. Oct 24 23:50:13 i am a painter. Oct 24 23:56:42 and a new touchscreen controller Oct 25 00:08:40 oshin: I can buy clone n900's here so I'm sure you can et screens Oct 25 00:11:21 mavhc: what's "too expensive" - I got my 6 month old 2nd-hand N900 for just under US$300 Oct 25 00:11:43 that'd be ok Oct 25 00:13:03 mavhc: depends what ccountry you're in - look on locally based internet auctions, etc Oct 25 00:13:49 I'll check ebay Oct 25 00:22:15 hmpf. Oct 25 00:22:27 on a desktop file, "Version" is supposed to mean Desktop file spec version Oct 25 00:22:37 nearly everyone is misusing it (including me) Oct 25 00:23:04 (and some Nokians, of course) Oct 25 00:23:17 it should be 1.0, not your apps version. Oct 25 00:37:40 good morning Oct 25 00:40:00 javispedro: (vesion) I remarked that a few days ago here Oct 25 01:05:02 hey, why does evopedia load wiki pages at about the same speed as over the web Oct 25 01:05:14 I've a whole 13gb database on a microsd Oct 25 01:09:32 also, how do you choose which app opens which type of file in file manager? Oct 25 01:16:08 evopedia runs a local webserver and has to uncompress every page, quite some overhead for such a little device i guess (and possibly unoptimized programming practices too) Oct 25 01:16:35 hey why dont just put the offline wikipedia on a squashfs and done Oct 25 01:16:48 does evopedia support that? Oct 25 01:16:58 Yeah, the whole reason I did this was for instant access - I usually have internet acces Oct 25 01:17:13 no idea, but the community kernel dies and any browser which can access file:// will do Oct 25 01:17:22 does Oct 25 01:17:34 how do I get hildon-thumbnail and all those to not index shit on mmc1? Oct 25 01:18:58 ~/config/tracker IIRC Oct 25 01:19:35 /tracker/tracker.cfg Oct 25 01:20:31 # List of directory roots NOT to index and NOT to watch (separator=;) Oct 25 01:20:32 NoWatchDirectory=$HOME/MyDocs/core-dumps/;$HOME/MyDocs/cities/;$HOME/MyDocs/.sou Oct 25 01:21:14 where is /tracker? Oct 25 01:23:23 /home/user/.config/tracker/... Oct 25 01:23:29 whereis, err find /home -name '*tracker*' Oct 25 01:24:15 or http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Oct 25 01:26:54 thanks, I just did /media/mmc1/ - all of it Oct 25 01:27:05 DocScrutinizer, how would you recommend I speed up evopedia? Oct 25 01:27:17 I've the latest wiki dump of 12gb from the evopedia site Oct 25 01:27:22 sorry, no idea Oct 25 01:27:58 checkout wikireader source, somewhere in ... err forgot. Oct 25 01:28:19 Openmoko wikireader Oct 25 01:28:45 might have some solutions Oct 25 01:29:35 well is fennec normally slow? Oct 25 01:29:51 I mean, opera usually seems a lot faster.. there seems to be some unnecessary waiting before a page loads Oct 25 01:31:10 lets try this squashfs idea :) Oct 25 01:31:27 * cehteh thinks evopedia is dead slow too Oct 25 01:32:37 eta 12m 36s ... Oct 25 01:32:39 mhm :) Oct 25 01:32:49 the wikipedia server is a bit slow :P Oct 25 01:33:24 Sorry, I don't completely follow Oct 25 01:33:34 It looks like evopedia has squashfs support Oct 25 01:33:46 really? Oct 25 01:34:28 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39871 I'm trying to decipher from this Oct 25 01:35:25 cehteh, which wiki dump did you get? It seems like they used to be in different formats, but mine is just a bunch of .dat files adding up to 13gb Oct 25 01:35:48 ack here too Oct 25 01:36:00 i just followed the evopedia instructions Oct 25 01:36:03 same Oct 25 01:36:05 I feel newb Oct 25 01:36:24 but i am now getting a 7z dump from wikipedia.de and convert that to squashfs Oct 25 01:36:38 I mean, I think the hardware should be able to handle it since I open some pretty big (20mb+) pdfs seemingly instantly Oct 25 01:36:40 the 7z is 3.2GB ... doing that on the server for a try Oct 25 01:37:11 i can make the squashfs available when this experiment works Oct 25 01:37:23 (no need for evopedia then :P) Oct 25 01:37:32 what compression is the format we're using? Oct 25 01:37:47 i dont know what evopedia uses Oct 25 01:38:08 evopedia has some cool shit though, it indexes stuff in a way that makes searching quick... it just cant open the pages quick (how do we know this isn't fennec's fault?) Oct 25 01:38:11 neither exactly what squashfs uses, but in my experiments it turned out compressing quite well Oct 25 01:42:40 well, will take 15 minutes .. downloading 3.2gb is a bit slow :P Oct 25 01:47:02 k, what do you think about fennec causing the slowness? Oct 25 01:50:17 guess thats reasonable :P Oct 25 01:50:35 tried microb instead? well here microb with evopedia isnt really fast either Oct 25 01:52:38 ok i have the dump, unpacking, repacking to a squashfs .. will take a bit too :P Oct 25 01:58:08 has anyone built anything against qt4-experiemental? Oct 25 02:16:37 this qt 4.7 "experimental" stuff is kinda unnecessary. name it the same as the 4.6.x packages and let them get updated Oct 25 02:19:02 bah 7z is slow :P Oct 25 02:57:58 hm. Oct 25 02:58:10 from reading the accelerometer driver, it already uses interrupts for something Oct 25 02:58:26 ;yes Oct 25 02:58:31 DocScrutinizer51: DOC!!! Oct 25 02:58:38 didn't I say that? Oct 25 02:58:46 :P Oct 25 02:58:50 raster o/ Oct 25 02:58:59 howgoes? Oct 25 02:59:19 javispedro: what it doesn't use is the highpass filter Oct 25 02:59:46 raster: too much trouble with real life **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 25 02:59:57 2010