**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 28 02:59:57 2010 Oct 28 03:03:17 Hi, anyone know how to get back to the stock Nokia N900 PR 1.3 kernel after installing the OC kernel? Oct 28 03:03:43 without reflashing the whole firmware? Oct 28 03:03:57 http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power#Deinstallation Oct 28 03:04:03 Pauly_: that link was for you Oct 28 03:04:12 thank you sir? Oct 28 03:04:25 welcome Oct 28 03:04:30 that's the official instructions anyway Oct 28 03:04:38 :) Oct 28 03:05:18 i need more battery life which do you think is better, stock nokia 1.3 kernel or kernel power With ULV Setting? Oct 28 03:05:58 1.3 has a kernel update? Oct 28 03:05:59 stock BL-5J battery is too expensive for me and i dont wanna buy a cheap one Oct 28 03:06:00 well, personally, i just bought a bigger battery, but i haven't tried the different kernel yet, so i cant advise on that Oct 28 03:06:09 sorry Pauly_ Oct 28 03:06:24 I fiddled with the power kernel and now after installing 1.3 it seems it gave the same power usage but with more responsive phone, so I think the power kernel doesn't do that much when it comes to giving longer battery life, but you can really screw up the performance. Oct 28 03:06:37 the MUGEN power? Oct 28 03:06:48 O.o Oct 28 03:07:39 i think im gonna reinstall the kernel Oct 28 03:08:32 im just worried that uninstalling the kernel will put the PR1.2 Kernel instead of 1.3? Oct 28 03:10:20 ??? Oct 28 03:11:03 you act like you're expecting an answer, but that wasn't actually a question, even though it had a random trailing question mark Oct 28 03:11:15 unless you are actually asking for our input on what you worry about Oct 28 03:15:09 yes i am lol i am sorry Oct 28 03:15:29 Pauly_: I don't think there is a 1.3 kernel Oct 28 03:15:47 but now that I think of it, I'm using the Mobile Hotspot kernel so maybe it got ignored Oct 28 03:15:55 oh ok i read in the forums that there was one Oct 28 03:16:04 sorry my bad Oct 28 03:16:05 maybe he means maemo os version? kernels are 2.4.* and 2.6.* Oct 28 03:16:14 no Oct 28 03:16:18 just the kernel Oct 28 03:16:30 cause mines a 2.6.28-omap1 kernel Oct 28 03:17:37 i also do not believe pr1.3 had a kernel update, but i wouldn't swear to it Oct 28 03:17:38 MrPPS and you have PR 1.3? Oct 28 03:17:49 mrrr... Oct 28 03:17:56 i dont recall - i have the latest version, whatever that is Oct 28 03:17:56 oh ok then maybe my mind is all messed up lol Oct 28 03:18:23 I seem to have lost support for ogg vorbis after the update to 1.3 Oct 28 03:18:33 okay well thank you and btw any1 know where to get a good deal on the stock battery? Oct 28 03:18:50 Pauly_: you can find official batteries on ebay at a reasonable price Oct 28 03:18:55 depending what your budget is, of course Oct 28 03:19:08 packages are still there, but media player is only showing the paltry portion of my collection that's in mp3 Oct 28 03:19:10 i was scared they was not affoical being so cheap. lol Oct 28 03:19:57 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=853235&postcount=14 didn't work for me Oct 28 03:20:06 thanks so much i gtg watch RED with the wife love u all maemo People!!!!!!!! Oct 28 03:20:17 adios Pauly_ Oct 28 03:20:49 anyone have any other ideas for getting Ogg Vorbis back in the media player? Oct 28 03:34:54 Dhraakellian: it seems that you need to uninstall and install the ogg support package Oct 28 03:35:35 ...which I did Oct 28 03:35:55 * Dhraakellian tries uninstalling extra decoders support through the GUI instead of mucking about with apt-get Oct 28 03:47:44 okay, uninstalling via the GUI did it Oct 28 03:48:42 ...and reinstalling, of coures Oct 28 04:18:42 Morning Oct 28 04:58:40 :o an android user Oct 28 04:58:50 gtfo TermanaDesire Oct 28 04:58:53 GTFO Oct 28 04:58:55 jk :P Oct 28 04:59:02 :p Oct 28 04:59:25 Only until I can get a new n900! Oct 28 04:59:28 moo all Oct 28 05:00:04 oh, your screen died Oct 28 05:00:10 moo RST38h Oct 28 05:00:37 Morning RST38h Oct 28 05:01:00 ~pr1.3 Oct 28 05:01:01 from memory, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 Oct 28 05:01:05 MohammadAG51: well, yeah. My little brother put it in water Oct 28 05:01:18 Are the Fiasco images for PR1.3 out yet? Oct 28 05:01:47 TermanaDesire, shove it in water for 2/3 days Oct 28 05:01:50 RobbieThe1st: tablets-dev Oct 28 05:01:57 RobbieThe1st, you're 2 days late Oct 28 05:01:58 K, great Oct 28 05:02:20 MohammadAG51: and they would help it... how? Oct 28 05:02:29 last I heard, people were complaining about having to use the Nokia Ovi suite to update, so... Oct 28 05:02:57 TermanaDesire, rice absorbs moisture Oct 28 05:03:07 TermanaDesire, LOL I said water Oct 28 05:03:10 meant rice Oct 28 05:03:45 MohammadAG51: lol :p Oct 28 05:03:45 * RST38h updated with apt-get. What Ovi Suite? Oct 28 05:04:02 MohammadAG51: anyway I already did so. But DocScrutinizer doesn't. Think I should trust everyone anyway. Oct 28 05:04:30 Everyone lied to me Oct 28 05:04:46 RST38h: Yea, an OTA update. In my case, I've got things screwed up enough I want to do a full flash -> restore routine Oct 28 05:05:25 ssu was really seamless for me Oct 28 05:05:49 don't get your things screwed up then. Oct 28 05:06:06 RobbieThe1st: it would be a stupid move on nokias part to not release fiasco images Oct 28 05:06:31 I thought they were released a bit later than the OTA update messages Oct 28 05:07:07 ...Anyway, it's now downloading, so all's well Oct 28 05:19:22 Stskeeps: Ping Oct 28 05:19:49 Meanwhile: The folks at Chatroulette found a very clever solution for their money shortage and penis overload problems. They're now earning money by forwarding all their penises to Hustler's website Oct 28 05:21:57 lol Oct 28 05:23:58 okay... my n900 seems to think that it's still connected to USB and therefore will not reboot Oct 28 05:24:21 short of draining the batt–hmm... I could just pop the battery... that'd be quicker Oct 28 05:24:34 Captain Obvious says you can. Oct 28 05:24:56 Although it does not guarantee successful reboot, I am afraid Oct 28 05:25:05 yarr Oct 28 05:25:22 "fsck that" Oct 28 05:25:48 "sudo gainroot", "reboot" won't work>? Oct 28 05:26:28 sorry but have you tried holding the power key for >5 seconds? Oct 28 05:26:30 ...that did the trick Oct 28 05:26:51 these things that I for some reason didn't think of Oct 28 05:27:09 hooray tmo :-P Oct 28 05:27:31 luke-jr: err, no new kernel ?? o.O https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=h-e-n;a=commitdiff;h=a2abd51199b9e61542a24ae9086ac1c6263106c4#patch9 Oct 28 05:27:50 * Dhraakellian slaps himself upside the head with a mackerel Oct 28 05:28:57 pr 1.3! Oct 28 05:29:53 ...dude you're like a little late Oct 28 05:30:11 much talk about it in here? Oct 28 05:30:20 dunno why people even anticipate the FW updates Oct 28 05:30:24 ham5: naw Oct 28 05:30:31 * Dassu doesn't even care Oct 28 05:30:58 what one u use? :) Oct 28 05:31:45 what do you mean? Oct 28 05:31:57 what os do you use? Oct 28 05:32:26 1.3 of course Oct 28 05:41:22 someone needs to port zdf mediathek to maemo Oct 28 05:42:52 errrrm, quality isn't great but... Oct 28 05:43:36 what's to port there? Oct 28 05:43:36 mhm. well. anything to avoid those horrid websites Oct 28 05:43:43 i think it's java Oct 28 05:43:59 js Oct 28 05:44:43 compare nano.de/lifestream (or the like) - excellent Oct 28 05:45:11 http://zdfmediathk.sourceforge.net/index.html Oct 28 05:45:14 you know this DocScrutinizer ? Oct 28 05:45:40 nope Oct 28 05:46:47 pupnik_: If it needs Java, we've already got that - install "icedtea6" from the repo Oct 28 05:47:03 I think it's in extras-devel, but it may be extras-testing... Oct 28 05:47:41 Why would you do something nasty like that? Oct 28 05:47:45 :p Oct 28 05:47:57 Install Java? One word: Runescape. Oct 28 05:48:28 It's literally the -only- thing I've ever found Java to be used for that's even slightly useful Oct 28 05:49:50 game is useful? Oct 28 05:50:48 When you are bored? Yup. It also has a great use in promoting procrastination. Oct 28 05:52:23 HOORAY tmo! >> The server is too busy at the moment. Please try again later. << Oct 28 05:52:47 Wow Oct 28 05:52:51 ^^ Oct 28 05:57:05 Conspiracy theory time! Oct 28 06:00:54 I'm just missing the 'we'll send a live rendered mediastream with fish for your entertainment, while you wait" Oct 28 06:18:02 ~pr1.3 Oct 28 06:18:03 i guess pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 Oct 28 06:20:11 Stskeeps: Ping Oct 28 06:20:43 andrewfblack: plon Oct 28 06:20:43 k Oct 28 06:20:57 plon thats a new one Oct 28 06:21:41 ZogG: its because lack of time Oct 28 06:22:42 Stskeeps: I can't figure out why some themes set icon pack to the themes icon pack and some set it to default when I'm building them the same way Oct 28 06:36:32 <|187|> i encountered that my n900 freezes my computer on usb connection (win7) every mornin i plug it in. happened onlly since pr 1.3 .. anybody else noticed such problem ? Oct 28 07:16:42 Morning all ! Oct 28 07:17:17 Morning. Oct 28 07:17:18 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ <---- Oct 28 07:17:33 morning X-Fade Oct 28 07:21:51 hmm anyone know if it'll be possible to boot meego of an ext{2,3,4} sd card with the new hack for multibooting? Oct 28 07:22:58 ruskie, there is a news with a video on Maemo.org ... so i ll say ... yes :) Oct 28 07:23:57 Khertan, well I only saw mention of a vfat sd boot card Oct 28 07:24:03 hence my confusion Oct 28 07:24:14 ruskie, i ven't test yet Oct 28 07:24:30 ruskie, i waiting the finish of 1.1 image download Oct 28 07:24:31 :) Oct 28 07:24:49 ahh you're planing on using ext for the sd card as well? Oct 28 07:25:35 i ll try Oct 28 07:27:10 hi all Oct 28 07:27:28 has anybody encountered problems with aegis credp_kcheck Oct 28 07:27:49 have tried to installed some packages like min , mwts Oct 28 07:28:01 but getting always aegis error in syslog Oct 28 07:28:06 isn't this harmattan stuff? Oct 28 07:28:22 yes it is Oct 28 07:28:33 i'm not sure you're allowed to talk about that in public :) Oct 28 07:28:33 pavelL: That is unreleased stuff. Oct 28 07:29:09 wanted to know if any other has experienced problems with aegis manifest Oct 28 07:29:13 ;) Oct 28 07:29:15 if no Oct 28 07:29:16 sorry Oct 28 07:29:22 will find my self Oct 28 07:29:51 Clearly lost ;) Oct 28 07:30:31 google answer me what is it :) Oct 28 07:32:24 meh Oct 28 07:32:29 should make coffee Oct 28 07:35:14 moorning. Oct 28 07:42:35 RST48H, morning .. Oct 28 07:42:43 back from vacation now, reading that Meego can be installed on N900, someone tested it? Oct 28 07:42:49 MohammadAG51, pign Oct 28 07:42:50 ping Oct 28 07:43:04 linuxcentos, source? Oct 28 07:43:30 http://meego.com/community/blogs/harrihakulinen/2010/meego-calling-n900 Oct 28 07:45:39 linuxcentos, I don't read from that that you can install Meego on the n900, do you? Oct 28 07:49:22 crashanddie, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ :) Oct 28 07:49:39 crashanddie, install on ext sd Oct 28 07:49:48 Morning, all Oct 28 07:51:15 Morning Jaffa Oct 28 07:53:48 Khertan, does that 1.1 image include all n900 integration stuff? Oct 28 07:55:21 jarkkom, don't know i'm still downloading it Oct 28 07:55:26 jarkkom, yes it does Oct 28 07:55:33 jarkkom, and didn't find yet the changelog Oct 28 07:55:58 jarkkom, well it contains all that was included before featurefreeze, which is not a lot ;) Oct 28 07:56:32 Khertan, well found my answer: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=11703&postcount=8 Oct 28 07:56:38 the 1.2 branch is more interesting, but currently doesn't have a build that boots Oct 28 07:59:24 mece, but you can receive calls at least I hope? Oct 28 08:19:10 jarkkom, yes you can. Oct 28 08:20:53 is it possible to freeup roofs? Oct 28 08:21:08 i only have 10MBl left :D Oct 28 08:21:34 open the cell Oct 28 08:21:44 defragger, how'd you manage that? Oct 28 08:22:03 dunno Oct 28 08:22:09 mece: had one here with 3.x MB /... Oct 28 08:22:46 defragger: guess you need to uninstall some of the devel installs Oct 28 08:23:53 kk, i tried already to free some space Oct 28 08:24:03 and 10MB is the result :D Oct 28 08:29:12 mece, I guess it would need some additional binaries, that 1.1 image is just base UX stuff with placeholders Oct 28 08:30:41 placeholders? Oct 28 08:30:42 :P Oct 28 08:33:00 defragger: just find what takes that much places Oct 28 08:40:51 morning Oct 28 08:41:23 not even single reply, but hey, maybe nobdoy here reads maemo-community... Oct 28 08:41:34 or maybe,the day is still youn. Oct 28 08:41:37 young. Oct 28 08:41:42 * sivang bbl Oct 28 09:01:40 sivang: I read it (well, skimmed it) - and it sounds interesting, but I couldn't quite tie up your mail, what it was you wanted and the abstract. Oct 28 09:01:48 sivang: But I do have a drug-addled mind at the moment. Oct 28 09:33:16 ~pr1.3 Oct 28 09:33:17 somebody said pr1.3 was the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 Oct 28 09:40:59 I'm trying to run asphalt 5 on the n900 and I see that I'd need to create a symlink, but if I do ls -s /home/user/webos/gamesave/ /media/internal I get an error: ls: /media/internal: No such file or directory Oct 28 09:49:18 well strange Oct 28 09:49:21 now it worked, so nvm Oct 28 10:14:54 is it possible to dualboot meego and maemo? Oct 28 10:15:23 More than likely Oct 28 10:16:57 any good howto about that? Oct 28 10:19:10 defragger: You could ask google, pretty sure the first hit is what you need. Oct 28 10:20:30 thought any experience about that :) Oct 28 10:22:30 defragger, dual booting *prototype* instructions: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/U-Boot_from_scratch Oct 28 10:23:09 not yet user friendly and if you notice any sticking points, please discuss in #meego-arm with stephg and Stskeeps and some of the other guys looking at it Oct 28 10:23:33 ok thx :) Oct 28 10:26:19 crashanddie: so, it turns out i had an eToken Pro 4254 usb pki module from an rsa conf Oct 28 10:26:57 Is there all ready an application to automatically switch the default phonecall network when connected with a certain wifi access point? Oct 28 10:27:18 or do have to hack something together with dbus? Oct 28 10:39:15 ah great, over 2 weeks at nokia care, and they failed to fix my N900 :/ Oct 28 10:39:41 and just returned it with an ovi advertisement sticker on the display Oct 28 10:39:42 what happend to it? Oct 28 10:39:58 the cellular modem is loose or something Oct 28 10:40:00 I mean, why did you send it to nokia in the first place Oct 28 10:40:03 oh Oct 28 10:40:12 the modem crashes when I put phone in pocket, or walk Oct 28 10:40:38 ... Oct 28 10:42:38 *grumpgrump* Oct 28 10:51:38 Myrtti, coffee to ungrump? Oct 28 10:52:20 lcuk: tried it, doesn't work Oct 28 10:52:25 try more Oct 28 10:52:45 I've decided to go take the phone fixed today, I guess it has an effect on the grumpiness Oct 28 10:52:46 if that doesn't help chew some coca leafs Oct 28 10:53:42 would kaffir limeleaves work? Oct 28 10:53:46 I have those Oct 28 10:54:46 try some kaffir lime vodka instead Oct 28 10:55:31 this ^ Oct 28 10:55:40 should work as well Oct 28 10:55:47 I've tried brandy, cider and wine since the phone broke without success Oct 28 10:55:55 so I doubt it would work, tbh Oct 28 10:56:18 http://xkcd.com/323/ Oct 28 10:56:22 you haven't tried whiskey, beer or vodka... your tests are inconclusive Oct 28 10:56:39 should work on phone fixing skills the same way Oct 28 10:56:43 KaffeeJunky123: it's real Oct 28 10:56:45 i've seen it Oct 28 10:56:53 and experienced it Oct 28 10:57:15 yeah Oct 28 10:57:23 it's in unexpected local maximum Oct 28 10:57:27 *an Oct 28 10:57:29 * SpeedEvil knows too much xkcd. Oct 28 10:57:40 I assume that's the 'ballmer peak' one? Oct 28 10:57:54 indeed Oct 28 10:58:35 http://xkcd.com/292/ is still my favourite though Oct 28 10:59:06 knuth would disagree :P Oct 28 10:59:26 it's for C++ programmers only Oct 28 10:59:26 ShadowJK: :-/ Oct 28 10:59:45 http://xkcd.com/612/ is an awesome one Oct 28 11:00:01 ...Wow. It worked! I deleted everything from the OptFS, then flashed PR1.3, and it booted Oct 28 11:00:04 I like 123 Oct 28 11:00:11 It's awesome on so many levels. Oct 28 11:00:14 Apparently, all needed files are in the rootfs image Oct 28 11:00:55 :P Oct 28 11:01:19 I can take on calls at home with my n900 Oct 28 11:01:25 I mean from my normal phone line Oct 28 11:01:31 people still don't believe me when i try to convince them that centrifugal force is what keeps a bicycle vertical :( Oct 28 11:01:35 322 is my fave, for obvious reasons Oct 28 11:01:39 fritz box + n900 = epic win Oct 28 11:01:42 "no, it's because of the forward momentum" Oct 28 11:02:16 ieatlint: what sort of people? Oct 28 11:02:24 geeks even Oct 28 11:02:34 sounds like engineers to me Oct 28 11:02:38 :> Oct 28 11:05:43 I thought it was gyroscopic precession of the wheel. Oct 28 11:05:52 when stationary? Oct 28 11:05:57 How is centrifugal force involved? Oct 28 11:06:38 same difference :P Oct 28 11:08:08 Myrtti++ Oct 28 11:08:20 Myrtti: :-D Oct 28 11:09:00 * mgedmin likes that xkcd skipped comic 404 Oct 28 11:11:41 705 and 424 here. And recently 806 Oct 28 11:12:09 * mgedmin wonders if supybot has an xkcd plugin Oct 28 11:13:08 ascii art? Oct 28 11:14:00 heh:) Oct 28 11:14:15 actually, an irc client that would show images inline would be even better Oct 28 11:14:50 DocScrutinizer: that just brought back bad memories of tech support Oct 28 11:14:55 mgedmin, :) Oct 28 11:14:56 on both sides of the phone :( Oct 28 11:15:45 mgedmin, http://liqbase.net/liq.20091201_141600._maemo.scr.png Oct 28 11:16:19 ooh Oct 28 11:16:28 lcuk: that can horribly backfire on you when i paste a link to goatse.png Oct 28 11:16:49 i remember seeing a nice gallery of photographs taken using fcam (i can't remember if it was on the n900 or not), but i can't find it now Oct 28 11:16:57 anyone got it bookmarked or something? Oct 28 11:17:07 ieatlint, bah Oct 28 11:17:30 mgedmin, i think it should be in conversations view etc, for mmses and stuff as well Oct 28 11:17:39 basically, intelligent parsing of the data Oct 28 11:18:22 and intelligent filtering of goatses out Oct 28 11:18:59 mgedmin, can count on number of fingers how often bad links have been posted in the private communications i have Oct 28 11:19:10 same for public chans also Oct 28 11:19:15 * lcuk glares @ kerio Oct 28 11:19:21 once is too often Oct 28 11:19:40 after I reflashed, there was music on my n900 Oct 28 11:19:42 is that normal? Oct 28 11:19:44 sure, but thats down to individuals who should know better Oct 28 11:21:35 KaffeeJunky123: yeah, it comes with a few tracks Oct 28 11:23:28 BCMM: creepy Oct 28 11:24:58 oO? Oct 28 11:25:08 KaffeeJunky123: didn't you have them when the device was new? Oct 28 11:25:37 BCMM: I've bought a used one Oct 28 11:25:53 and you didn't immediately reflash? Oct 28 11:26:24 I did Oct 28 11:26:41 immediatly after making sure the device worked Oct 28 11:29:50 * mgedmin is surprised the previous owner didn't reflash before selling Oct 28 11:31:06 i'd theorise that the guy who sells his n900 isn't as technically minded as you might hope.. that is, enough to think to reflash and do it Oct 28 11:32:06 Also, they may have installed backdoors. Oct 28 11:32:56 ieatlint: well, a midnight commander was installed Oct 28 11:33:02 i sold an n900 to the mozilla foundation... i should've installed a backdoor Oct 28 11:33:08 ieatlint: and an xterm shortcut was on the main desktop :> Oct 28 11:33:25 KaffeeJunky123: mc... exactly! :P Oct 28 11:34:36 when I bought my N800, it wasn't reflashed and the 4GB memory card was filled with Ministry of Sound and David Bowie, which I didn't mind Oct 28 11:39:23 my n900 does detect networks I can't see with my computers wireless ^^ Oct 28 11:39:44 I guess the driver for my wireless device sucks Oct 28 11:40:01 are they 802.11n networks? :P Oct 28 11:41:40 ieatlint: I didn't take a look at them Oct 28 11:41:48 even though one is onle wep encrypted <_< Oct 28 11:42:03 could crack that with aircrack in about 2minutes Oct 28 11:44:46 lcuk: wasn't there some html exploit sending IRC spam with the link to the exploited page? Oct 28 11:45:01 ? Oct 28 11:45:03 DocScrutinizer: yes Oct 28 11:45:05 oh crap Oct 28 11:45:13 I accidently locked the phone Oct 28 11:45:19 and I didn't set a lock code yet Oct 28 11:45:20 back in pre-ircd7 days Oct 28 11:45:20 o_O Oct 28 11:45:28 shortcut fai Oct 28 11:45:29 l Oct 28 11:45:41 what should I do now? Oct 28 11:45:49 is there a default lock code? Oct 28 11:45:52 KaffeeJunky123, try the default, which is 12345 Oct 28 11:46:23 I remember me posting "DO NOT CLICK THAT LINK!" here in this chan Oct 28 11:46:26 mgedmin: it says wrong code Oct 28 11:46:31 uh oh Oct 28 11:46:41 hi guyz. Oct 28 11:46:48 contact the previous owner, ask for the lock code? Oct 28 11:46:55 I reflashed it Oct 28 11:46:59 shouldn't it be resett? Oct 28 11:47:01 no Oct 28 11:47:10 flashed rootfs and eMMc Oct 28 11:47:18 new sim Oct 28 11:47:19 it might be possible to reset it somehow, I think Oct 28 11:47:24 etc Oct 28 11:47:26 just wanted to know whats the difference with the different firmware versions . i.e region. What could go wrong if I update to say an european or African version ? Oct 28 11:47:27 KaffeeJunky123: 12345 Oct 28 11:47:30 sim's pin != device lock code Oct 28 11:47:42 oh, mgedmin said that Oct 28 11:48:01 the lock code is stored somewhere in a partition (?) that's not touched by the flasher Oct 28 11:48:03 atleast on N800 had to do some detective work to find out the lock code Oct 28 11:48:21 also resetting lockcode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=524522#post524522 Oct 28 11:48:25 at least you can reboot it without having to enter the code Oct 28 11:48:37 mgedmin: in CAL Oct 28 11:48:48 which actually is a NAND partition Oct 28 11:48:49 ~lockcode Oct 28 11:48:54 i'll try rebooting Oct 28 11:49:01 infobot, lockcode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=524522#post524522 Oct 28 11:49:01 okay, Termana Oct 28 11:49:09 seems to work Oct 28 11:49:15 you still need the old lock code to get rid of it Oct 28 11:49:22 IIRC Oct 28 11:49:32 Myrtti: nope, just john the ripper Oct 28 11:50:02 DocScrutinizer++ Oct 28 11:50:04 Termana++ Oct 28 11:51:35 you can install ssh without knowing the lockcode? awesome... :P Oct 28 11:52:33 umm, you need to have it configured prior to forgetting your lockcode :-P Oct 28 11:52:46 well, if you don't configure it to ask for the lock code on boot, you can do anything you want Oct 28 11:52:59 fair enough, hehe Oct 28 11:53:16 can you reflash without knowing the lockcode? Oct 28 11:53:29 or you overwrite CAL with defaults (default "hash" for lockcode also is '12345' XP ) Oct 28 11:53:39 ieatlint, yes Oct 28 11:53:53 ieatlint: yes, but usually a reflash doesn't reset lockcode Oct 28 11:54:15 So technically you can load up a recovery console or other OS and then do what DocScrutinizer just said Oct 28 11:54:18 yeah, but it could then be used to install an sshd even with it set to ask for lock code on boot Oct 28 11:54:58 exactly ieatlint Termana Oct 28 11:55:27 ultimately, the lock code is useless to someone with motivation and technical skill (although i guess it could protect info stored on the device, as you'd overwrite the emmc) Oct 28 11:55:39 can I get john to use a second job, so it fully exploits my dual core? Oct 28 11:55:52 oh Oct 28 11:55:54 nvm Oct 28 11:55:55 it finished Oct 28 11:55:57 ^_^ Oct 28 11:55:59 :P Oct 28 11:56:01 :-P Oct 28 11:56:25 guesses: 1 time: 0:00:01:28 c/s: 1151K trying: 88763577 - 88763561 Oct 28 11:58:31 a funny not quite obvious (at least to me) detail of john: all results are stored in a file, and so trying same hash again won't give any "new" results Oct 28 11:59:17 I'm amazed at how fast john cracked that key Oct 28 11:59:27 even though it only used one core of my cpu Oct 28 11:59:27 I was like "#!!@%& why doesn't it work anymore??" Oct 28 11:59:57 does john come with cuda by default now? Oct 28 11:59:59 maybe Oct 28 12:00:06 because it was so fast Oct 28 12:01:43 well, think about the code Oct 28 12:01:52 numeric, so each char is 0-9 Oct 28 12:02:07 so brute force is easy as hell Oct 28 12:02:12 it's still 8^10 Oct 28 12:02:13 yes Oct 28 12:02:27 more like 10^5 Oct 28 12:02:41 1151k keys per second Oct 28 12:02:46 you'll break that in no time.. Oct 28 12:03:00 true true Oct 28 12:03:16 and the new identiy card in germany is secured with a 6 number pin ._. Oct 28 12:03:30 haha Oct 28 12:03:32 bear in mind 1151k == 1.151 million keys per second Oct 28 12:03:32 it's using a freakin' RFID Oct 28 12:03:51 imagine a guy with a laptop and an RFID reader Oct 28 12:03:53 ah, but have you ever tried to brute force rfid? Oct 28 12:03:55 + john Oct 28 12:04:02 nope Oct 28 12:04:03 * ieatlint has Oct 28 12:04:18 so it's slow? Oct 28 12:04:20 your throughput allows you to do maybe 10 keys per second Oct 28 12:04:26 so good luck with that :P Oct 28 12:05:40 well Oct 28 12:05:41 ieatlint: Only 28 hours then. Oct 28 12:05:45 yeah Oct 28 12:05:58 still too much if you lost that thing Oct 28 12:06:01 X-Fade: then i'm guessing there's more to it than that, or you guys are fucked :P Oct 28 12:06:13 yes there is Oct 28 12:06:20 you need a special key as well Oct 28 12:06:21 Well, you need to know the key too. Oct 28 12:06:31 also this "PIN" is really just that, a somewhat personalized OK button. The "security" is in possessing the ID card, and the authentication via internet is much better than the PIN OK Oct 28 12:06:37 Which consists of MRZ data. Oct 28 12:06:41 but you could probably rip that from a reading device Oct 28 12:06:50 Or rather, gets generated from. Oct 28 12:07:35 heh, people freaked out enough here about the rfid passports Oct 28 12:08:12 trying to issue an rfid id card would be like suggesting a suspension of habeas corpus Oct 28 12:08:24 only this time, without george bush and the patriot act Oct 28 12:09:02 so you're from the us of the a Oct 28 12:09:32 indeed Oct 28 12:09:51 it's ok, i'm from the less annoying part, california Oct 28 12:10:03 depends on where in california Oct 28 12:10:10 sf :P Oct 28 12:10:20 * DocScrutinizer wonders if there's a lock on too many false PIN entries in those ID cards - like with SIMs Oct 28 12:10:37 ieatlint: congrats, you get a rainbow and unicorn sticker Oct 28 12:11:02 indeed... them unicorns have really made a comeback recently Oct 28 12:11:10 DocScrutinizer: probably not Oct 28 12:13:15 last time crashanddie and me discussed this very topic, we agreed on it'd be *way* better to have the keypad to enter pin on the ID card. It's so easy Oct 28 12:13:41 and your fingerpints would nicely let people know which digits you actually use Oct 28 12:13:46 lcuk: what's up? Oct 28 12:13:54 except with use, on a card like that, it'd start becoming blatantly obvious which buttons you press Oct 28 12:14:15 mgedmin: eh, inconclusive, as unlike a pinpad, you'd touch the card all over while handling it Oct 28 12:14:26 mm DocScrutinizer ? just dc'ed Oct 28 12:14:36 :-) Oct 28 12:16:22 there's a company that just started an awesome product to update credit cards... it erases the magstripe on the card after a timeout, and to rewrite it, you have to enter a pin on the card Oct 28 12:16:42 let me see if i can find the link for it... but if they can do it, i don't see why an id card can't :P Oct 28 12:17:00 visa demoed one of those cards a while back with a pin pad on the back, but theyre just little plastic clicky buttons, the ones you actually use would wear down really obviously Oct 28 12:17:13 * Myrtti wonders what good it makes to deactivate the magstripe when you can just type in the numbers on any webshop... Oct 28 12:17:38 nid0: eh... i suspect it's possible to find workarounds for that issue Oct 28 12:17:54 (card) I just say goldcap, e-ink display for "random" keypad orientation and position, and a 40*40 piezo input touchpad Oct 28 12:18:20 that sounds cheap :P Oct 28 12:18:26 especially with e-inks licencing fees Oct 28 12:18:40 Ha Oct 28 12:18:52 meego-dev has just confirmed the name of the Harmattan device :-) Oct 28 12:18:55 also, rfid has the undeniable feature that it has no battery Oct 28 12:19:06 unless it does. Oct 28 12:19:07 I've got a silly question: Why are people using Maemo phones and not MeeGo phones? Oct 28 12:19:17 Many sorts of RFID have battery. Oct 28 12:19:18 because there are no meego phones Oct 28 12:19:23 sjk: becasue there are ... Oct 28 12:19:24 that Oct 28 12:19:43 Anyone know what a "tele coil" is? Oct 28 12:19:46 So MeeGo only exists in the laboratory so far? :) Oct 28 12:19:46 http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-October/006884.html Oct 28 12:19:48 Jaffa: ???? Oct 28 12:19:49 there's not even a released meego handset ux :P Oct 28 12:19:52 aah Oct 28 12:20:12 DocScrutinizer: "qtn_sett_main_about About my N9 (Warranty, About product)" Oct 28 12:20:22 * Myrtti pokes a flag of FAIL on the cake Oct 28 12:20:24 mgedmin, nid0: you have "ears" around the keypad so people wouldn't look which code you press, the same can be imagined where you insert your hand and card Oct 28 12:20:31 btw, am i a bad person if pr1.3 & that webos preenv thing made me love my n900 even more? Oct 28 12:20:39 Jaffa: Hehe, you noticed it too :) Oct 28 12:20:41 As far as 'in the laboratory' at the moment, they're at the leyden jar, jacobs ladder, and brain dug up from a cemetry stagr. Oct 28 12:20:55 X-Fade: :-) Oct 28 12:20:56 abby normal? Oct 28 12:21:07 maybeWTF: yes. Oct 28 12:21:09 ieatlint: uhm.. we have handset ux Oct 28 12:21:27 Stskeeps: you have an alpha preview release Oct 28 12:21:29 Jaffa, we already knew it was N9 anyway :p Oct 28 12:21:32 talk to me when 1.1 hits :P Oct 28 12:21:40 Jaffa: good one :D (tweet) Oct 28 12:21:49 ieatlint, 1.1 has hit Oct 28 12:21:56 I wonder how much effort it would take to make a 'proper' webos compatibility layer ffor game devs and stuff to just say 'OK' and be able to run it. Oct 28 12:21:57 oh. :) Oct 28 12:21:59 ieatlint, talking... Oct 28 12:22:07 apparently i missed the news Oct 28 12:22:11 knew it was pending, heh Oct 28 12:22:25 SpeedEvil, what's "not proper" about preenv? Oct 28 12:22:27 well it was due 27.10, and it's now 28.10, so it's out. Oct 28 12:22:37 Hrm, but the N900 seems to support MeeGo as well? Oct 28 12:22:41 SpeedEvil: half the problem is that a "proper" compatibility layer would also have to ship with a multitouch screen to bolt onto the device Oct 28 12:22:45 sjk, yes Oct 28 12:22:48 glad to see meego.com is not updated :P Oct 28 12:22:54 works well enough for racing games :P Oct 28 12:23:00 also, xplane Oct 28 12:23:03 being as loads of the software preenv can run fine simply doesnt work properly because it needs multitouch Oct 28 12:23:17 you mean from that huge webOS games catalog...? Oct 28 12:23:23 Why doesn't people use MeeGo on the N900 then? Oct 28 12:23:25 ieatlint, well honestly, I'm not sure whether it has made an official release yet, but the 1.1 trunk has been locked Oct 28 12:23:33 sjk, it's not fully ready yet Oct 28 12:23:39 pupnik_: well it basically what? tripled? the commercial game "catalog" overnight Oct 28 12:23:43 for the n900 Oct 28 12:23:50 sjk: with varying values for "support" Oct 28 12:23:55 Termana: awesome... Oct 28 12:23:56 ieatlint, so, basically the latest daily for the n900 would be 1.1 anyway Oct 28 12:24:03 now we need to build a palm pre faker browser that can download the games from palm catalog Oct 28 12:24:32 next step: install webos on the n900! Oct 28 12:24:34 * maybeWTF runs away Oct 28 12:24:39 get the cash where it's due, and enable people (and by people I mean me) to get at the games. Oct 28 12:24:53 mece, if the Pre just does it through a browser, we could do a user agent change Oct 28 12:25:06 That would be simple Oct 28 12:25:24 i'll look forward to when the u-boot update package hits extras-devel... don't feel like fucking up my main phone to try and get meego on it in the meantime Oct 28 12:25:27 But, also the Pre will only let you purchase things in certain countries. So :p Oct 28 12:25:28 ~pr1.3 Oct 28 12:25:29 methinks pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 Oct 28 12:25:33 Termana, who has a pre? Oct 28 12:25:36 anyone? Oct 28 12:25:47 mece, alterego's girlfriend Oct 28 12:25:48 no OTA for PR1.3 yet? Oct 28 12:25:55 can you install pre catalog stuff from browser? Oct 28 12:26:06 loufoque_, it was out days ago, unless you're talking about the UK variant Oct 28 12:26:10 loufoque_, wot? I ota'd mine this monday. Oct 28 12:26:10 mece, I don't know, I was asking you because I thought you knew Oct 28 12:26:16 loufoque_: yes, days ago, unless you're unlucky enough to be on uk firmware Oct 28 12:26:19 Termana, just being hopeful. Oct 28 12:26:32 nid0, still no uk firmware??? Oct 28 12:26:35 i'm on uk firmware Oct 28 12:26:49 I should have flashed to general firmware Oct 28 12:26:56 nokia hates the brits Oct 28 12:27:02 i think it's because of wales.. Oct 28 12:27:10 mece dont think so - I reflashed mine straight to global at the first 1.1 fiasco and havent ever gone back, but I know several people at least yesterday were mentioning there wasnt one yet Oct 28 12:27:10 well they loved brits at the pr1.2 release. Oct 28 12:27:18 do I loose all PIM info when flashing? Oct 28 12:27:32 loufoque_, I believe a backup helps. Oct 28 12:27:35 loufoque_, unless you backup and restore after Oct 28 12:27:40 (data) Oct 28 12:28:08 the maemo twitter widget got updated today btw. works now. Oct 28 12:28:11 Termana: is there a way to backup just the PIM stuff? I don't want to restore all my apps etc., I'd rather have a fresh satart Oct 28 12:28:21 ieatlint, who could ever hate monty pythons ;) Oct 28 12:28:30 untick the "applications" box when taking the backup Oct 28 12:29:05 loufoque_, try the backup program. you can choose what to backup. Also you can ignore stuff from the app list backup if you wish, after flash. Oct 28 12:29:15 * DocScrutinizer wonders idly if "reset to factory defaults" in settings will also reset lock-code in CAL Oct 28 12:29:28 loufoque_, so it's nice that you back them up and then just uncheck the stuff you don't want. Oct 28 12:29:36 Termana: We "knew" it was the N9, but I don't remember seeing it referred to - directly - as such by a Nokian. Oct 28 12:29:47 I suppose settings is a closed app? Oct 28 12:29:49 isn't the N9 symbian^3? Oct 28 12:29:54 no. meego Oct 28 12:29:57 loufoque_: That's N8 Oct 28 12:29:57 sx0n: yeah, well, scotland's not exactly helping Oct 28 12:30:11 ieatlint, or brum... Oct 28 12:30:20 :P Oct 28 12:30:28 (I have no idea if there's anything wrong with brum, it's just a funny name) Oct 28 12:31:38 Jaffa: well, technically not Nokian Oct 28 12:32:22 err? Juhasz Gabor ext-gabor.2.juhasz at nokia.com Oct 28 12:32:36 DocScrutinizer: magic keyword: "ext-" Oct 28 12:32:42 heh Oct 28 12:33:16 Hmm. Just noticed in the former mail: To: "harmattan-changes@projects.maemo.org" Oct 28 12:33:35 well, knowing about the name is so... moot Oct 28 12:33:50 hmm, i keep getting ext2 errors from a loop back fs file that i have repeatedly created fresh on ~/MyDocs/ Oct 28 12:34:53 hmm Oct 28 12:35:29 pigeon: this suggests what? Oct 28 12:36:04 it's weird, a 256MB fs seems fine, 512 or large usually breaks Oct 28 12:38:09 well, loopback on vfat isn't exactly trivial. Maemo doesn't help either Oct 28 12:39:08 hello ! anybody from greece with n900. Oct 28 12:39:26 I'd suggest you try same config on SD card Oct 28 12:39:33 nope they don't have the money to afford one in greece Oct 28 12:39:45 something funny with the internal flash you reckon? Oct 28 12:40:20 there've been few reports of general bad blocks on eMMC - probably bad chips or soldering Oct 28 12:40:31 hello ! anybody from greece with n900? Oct 28 12:40:33 ok Oct 28 12:40:43 thanks Oct 28 12:40:43 but that should show up on all IO to eMMC Oct 28 12:41:16 can someone point me to the pr1.3 changes? Oct 28 12:41:39 what about the maemo 1.3 in greece? Oct 28 12:41:44 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=h-e-n;a=commitdiff;h=a2abd51199b9e61542a24ae9086ac1c6263106c4#patch9 Oct 28 12:41:50 loufoque_: ^^^ Oct 28 12:42:07 kernel only Oct 28 12:42:34 DocScrutinizer: how about something more accessible? Oct 28 12:42:47 * DocScrutinizer shrugs Oct 28 12:43:00 ~pr1.3 Oct 28 12:43:00 hmm... pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 Oct 28 12:43:16 first link, if that meets your taste better Oct 28 12:44:08 it just says it runs faster and smoother than before Oct 28 12:44:21 I know what it says Oct 28 12:44:42 that's not much info Oct 28 12:44:56 mhm Oct 28 12:45:27 but easily accessible Oct 28 12:47:47 has anyone had problems with the system hanging completely with PR1.3? Oct 28 12:48:26 nope, not here at least Oct 28 12:50:24 anybody knows why my n900 does not have avail pr1.3 @ nokia.com or via OTA? Oct 28 13:04:22 * DocScrutinizer feeds Nokia with cherries until they suffocate from the stones Oct 28 13:05:26 this is Not My Nokia :-/ Oct 28 13:08:46 * DocScrutinizer wonders if a kernel patch like "kill each process that tries to read a file with pathname /home/user/.cherry_state" would go upstream Oct 28 13:09:29 DocScrutinizer: I doubt it Oct 28 13:09:29 DocScrutinizer: why should that be in the kernel Oct 28 13:10:05 because when it's in kernel mainstream, Nokia had a hard time kicking it out again Oct 28 13:10:13 just silly daydreaming Oct 28 13:10:14 * MohammadAG51 ponders on how to create custom rootfss Oct 28 13:10:31 technically Oct 28 13:10:37 we can have PR1.4 Oct 28 13:10:43 a coomunity one at least Oct 28 13:10:54 first thing to go would be cherry Oct 28 13:11:03 hello! Oct 28 13:11:08 what's cherry? Oct 28 13:11:10 UK user? Oct 28 13:11:13 MohammadAG51: Just greate a jffs2 partion and put files in it? Oct 28 13:11:17 MyNokia=cherry Oct 28 13:11:19 jffs2? Oct 28 13:11:25 anybody knows why my n900 does not have avail pr1.3 @ nokia.com or via OTA? Oct 28 13:11:25 http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription Oct 28 13:11:26 The N900 uses ubifs Oct 28 13:11:26 what's mynokia? Oct 28 13:11:36 Or ubi, whaever. Oct 28 13:11:52 Stskeeps, had a way I think :P Oct 28 13:11:59 mgedmin: it is something like an sms subscription Oct 28 13:12:09 that doesn't work :P Oct 28 13:12:13 at least in IL Oct 28 13:12:14 why haven't I ever seen this after upgrading to PR1.2? Oct 28 13:12:20 yet it always says subscribed Oct 28 13:12:22 is that a country-specific-firmware thing? Oct 28 13:12:32 mgedmin, have you ever seen your bill post 1.2? Oct 28 13:12:47 yes, I get my bill SMSed to me every month Oct 28 13:12:48 I didn't get an sms telling me there was an update. Oct 28 13:13:00 i never do Oct 28 13:13:02 I haven't seen any SMSes mentioning MyNokia Oct 28 13:13:06 yet it says subscibed Oct 28 13:13:11 mgedmin: it is global I think... for countries without shortnumber it sends directly to finlandia Oct 28 13:13:24 mgedmin: it doesnt mention anything Oct 28 13:13:37 mgedmin: it sends one Oct 28 13:13:40 the SMS is hidden Oct 28 13:13:50 I remember the outcry for some kind of "do you want to subscribe" dialog without a "no" button Oct 28 13:13:53 I've never seen that dialog Oct 28 13:13:57 means doesn't show up in conversations Oct 28 13:14:13 uses dbus Oct 28 13:14:15 mgedmin: Change simcard and see it in action. Oct 28 13:14:18 DocScrutinizer: not realy... an empty msg window should popup with the number on top (at least it did at mine) Oct 28 13:14:35 MohammadAG51, you can create a flashable image for the N900 Oct 28 13:14:38 chem|st, none here Oct 28 13:14:48 Termana, duh, MeeGo does it, how? :P Oct 28 13:14:48 mgedmin: It only runs when the fresh device/location selection is running. Oct 28 13:14:50 MohammadAG51: yeah it is not shown in conversations Oct 28 13:14:59 let's all send 500g cherries to Nokia Finland! :-P Oct 28 13:15:01 Jaffa: karma bites you in the ass for using Outlook Oct 28 13:15:03 X-Fade, thanks for the info Oct 28 13:15:28 MohammadAG51, MeeGo doesn't flash the N900's rootfs :p And hold your horses I'm getting you the instructions Oct 28 13:15:32 DocScrutinizer: why not order 500tonns on behalf of nokia Oct 28 13:15:36 alternatively 1L cherry juice or a glas of cherry jam Oct 28 13:15:49 chem|st: also a nice idea Oct 28 13:15:55 Termana, hmm, I think it did Oct 28 13:15:58 I wouldn't mind getting some myself. Cherries are a bit rare sight in most of the stores in Finland Oct 28 13:16:00 i might be wrong Oct 28 13:16:03 they would sue me but ok... Oct 28 13:16:14 MohammadAG51, you are wrong Oct 28 13:16:27 Termana, hmm, sure? Oct 28 13:16:37 MohammadAG51, you can flash a u-boot + maemo kernel, but that is optional Oct 28 13:16:45 Myrtti: Work standard :-( Oct 28 13:16:47 and it doesn't touch the rootfs Oct 28 13:16:51 Termana, i said old Oct 28 13:17:03 uboot wasn't even there Oct 28 13:17:26 MohammadAG51, wtf are you talking about. Firstly, MeeGo never did it. Secondly, you never said old either Oct 28 13:17:34 MohammadAG51, here's the instructions: http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/making-flashable-rootfss-for-n900.html Oct 28 13:17:36 well and all the kexec warm wind is nothing but warm wind yet Oct 28 13:17:58 Termana, we used to Oct 28 13:18:19 Termana, MeeGo 1.0 did, when it didn't have a UI Oct 28 13:18:47 MohammadAG51, fine, the first bit is invalidated but you still never said old Oct 28 13:19:04 Termana, hmm, I think it did Oct 28 13:19:09 did = past tense :P Oct 28 13:19:22 * DocScrutinizer kicks of the "Nokia needs cherries, community helps" movement Oct 28 13:19:32 MohammadAG51, sneaky :p Oct 28 13:19:43 Jaffa: ^^^ a small blog on that topic? Oct 28 13:20:01 off even Oct 28 13:20:14 DocScrutinizer, are we sending some cherries in the mail to Nokia workers? Oct 28 13:20:14 DocScrutinizer, my current plans for the SSU are to kill the metapackage Oct 28 13:20:44 DocScrutinizer, dpkg -r cherry after that Oct 28 13:20:49 Termana: or cherry juice, chewing gums, cherry stone cushions... whatever Oct 28 13:21:32 Nokia gives us cherry, we return to sender :-P Oct 28 13:21:41 but, you will need 1.3 for the SSU Oct 28 13:22:09 i'll also add the pulseaudio patch, apparently it was meant for the 1.2 kernel Oct 28 13:22:20 1.3* Oct 28 13:22:41 X-Fade: what would be the right geographical address to send those cherry products? Oct 28 13:23:09 1 infinite loop Oct 28 13:23:40 MohammadAG51, I don't think we need to let Apple know of Nokia's stupidity in this situation Oct 28 13:23:46 (the cherry situation) Oct 28 13:25:11 DocScrutinizer, back to cards on which you punch your PIN: People saying they could find which buttons you press the most; there are already cards which have displays included in them. I can already see the keypad where the values of the keys change every single time. Oct 28 13:25:50 crashanddie: I didn't expect they grant me a patent on this :-) Oct 28 13:26:16 welcome back netsplitters Oct 28 13:26:48 * lcukn900 lost all home internet Oct 28 13:27:04 lcukn900, and you're saying this how? Oct 28 13:27:20 mobile 3g on n900 Oct 28 13:27:26 @council: could you find out the correct Nokia address to send cherry products to preferably the responsible dudes? Oct 28 13:27:31 so there still is internet in your home :D Oct 28 13:27:47 lcukn900: javispedro is on a visit at yours? Oct 28 13:27:56 not to the servers/connections/computers i need Oct 28 13:28:16 * javispedro is where? Oct 28 13:28:29 [2010-10-28 15:21:09] [Notify] javispedro ist online (kornbluth.freenode.net). Oct 28 13:28:30 [2010-10-28 15:21:09] [Notify] lcukn900 ist online (kornbluth.freenode.net). Oct 28 13:28:43 javispedro: do you think it would be possible to simulate multitouch in such a way that pressing a button the keyboard, e.g. "T" + then swiping on the display would enable a multi touch gesture? As in, pressing T will simulate pressing the display at the bottom edge with one finger, and the real stylus/finger would be the other finger. Oct 28 13:29:10 Shapeshifter: yes, trivial. You could even implement such a thing yourself! =) Oct 28 13:29:10 I have no clue about at which level multitouch is implemented Oct 28 13:29:15 javispedro: really? Oct 28 13:29:29 You just need to read about SDL and multiple mice. Oct 28 13:29:48 javispedro: but would it work for already compiled games? Oct 28 13:29:55 yes... Oct 28 13:30:01 ha. I'll look into it Oct 28 13:30:07 shapeshifter, that sort of simulated MT is actually possible on the real display anyway. see liqbase fake multitouch. always thought it would be good to do shift style keypreses Oct 28 13:30:22 My alloted time into hacking for the week has already run out, so expect no more work from me until next week. Oct 28 13:30:31 sure Oct 28 13:34:25 DocScrutinizer: You start it, I'll link to it Oct 28 13:35:06 Jaffa: ok, but first I'd need an address. Any ambiguity or later change will spoil the whole thing Oct 28 13:35:31 DocScrutinizer: Hmm, let me look for one Oct 28 13:36:05 hmm, 3 days left til next mwkn Oct 28 13:36:35 this could actually be some fun Oct 28 13:37:06 and also make things move... nah, nothing will make things move, but anyway Oct 28 13:37:23 at least the cherries move al over the world :-P Oct 28 13:38:36 DocScrutinizer: Something like "MeeGo Devices" @ the Helsinki address here, I reckon: http://research.nokia.com/locations#helsinki Oct 28 13:38:54 DocScrutinizer: "Give Nokia your cherry" Oct 28 13:38:55 Jaffa: :-) Oct 28 13:39:33 "just a few minutes away" :D Oct 28 13:39:53 from monday to wednesday this week I spent 40 minutes in car between those two Oct 28 13:39:55 Jartza: "...at the speed of sound" Oct 28 13:40:16 so, i'm about a year late in asking this but havent really used it much till now and cant find an obvious answer on tmo, is there any way to get skype to use the n900's main camera for video calls? Oct 28 13:40:20 for a pluto nuclear thermal cruise missile its even less! Oct 28 13:40:27 cool Oct 28 13:40:32 let's have few of those Oct 28 13:40:33 :) Oct 28 13:40:37 Heading which way? ;-) Oct 28 13:40:45 Oct 28 13:40:46 both? :) Oct 28 13:40:56 Anything exciting tonight? Oct 28 13:41:00 * Jartza loves building from scratch Oct 28 13:41:04 :) Oct 28 13:42:30 Jaffa, do you do job advertisement on MWKN? Oct 28 13:43:13 crashanddie: Could do, if it was interesting. Oct 28 13:43:40 crashanddie: "Software developer @ MeeGo devices", yawn (probably). "VP of MeeGo Devices", more interesting ;-) Oct 28 13:44:27 lol Oct 28 13:47:48 if only the guy leaking PRs leaked something more useful Oct 28 13:48:03 the source code of all apps Oct 28 13:48:13 Jaffa, "Urgent, team of MeeGo/Maemo developers in Finland. C++ / Qt experience a plus" Oct 28 13:48:24 crashanddie: why advertise? just toss it over to me! ;-P Oct 28 13:48:27 "Not required, though" =) Oct 28 13:48:40 crashanddie: same crap as im getting daily on linkedin? :( Oct 28 13:48:48 anybody knows why there is no maemo Pr.1.3 for my n900 via nokia.com or OTA? Oct 28 13:48:53 yeah, just got it through linkedin Oct 28 13:49:13 lol got it through email Oct 28 13:49:17 MohammadAG51: won't happen. Those are Nokia testers that never get tpo see the code themselves Oct 28 13:49:40 Moo, konttori Oct 28 13:50:17 Myrtti: is your phone broken too? Oct 28 13:50:23 N900_athens: probably because you a) are on UK version, or B) have "broken the seal" as timeless(?) named it Oct 28 13:50:52 moo RST38h btw Oct 28 13:50:57 and everyone Oct 28 13:51:07 javispedro: EHLO indeed Oct 28 13:53:35 crashanddie: looks like Nokia is doing the age old error and throws in more untrained manpower on a team, to keep a deadline. Never works, as every new team member tends to push deadlines of next 6 months by at least several days Oct 28 13:54:28 s/every/each Oct 28 13:54:40 someone didn't run "that book with dinosaurs in the cover" as described by someone I know =) Oct 28 13:54:45 s/run/read Oct 28 13:56:08 anyone from greece? Oct 28 13:56:16 javispedro: they could have gone for the teddy bear book Oct 28 13:56:32 javispedro: a tamer, lamer version Oct 28 13:56:43 N900_athens, yes, there's someone Oct 28 13:57:06 heh Oct 28 13:57:15 Doc: With the right organization it may work Oct 28 13:57:32 N900_athens, last I checked, there were 11 million people "from greece" Oct 28 13:57:35 Doc: Of course, it depends on whether the new guys can actually develop code Oct 28 13:57:54 RST38h, it doesn't, because no-one can jump in a project and start writing code Oct 28 13:57:57 LOL Oct 28 13:57:59 if you can, you're a bad developer Oct 28 13:58:12 crashanddie: ack Oct 28 13:58:14 and you probably have no clue what you're doing -- you end up producing products that are broken. Oct 28 13:58:19 the guys at TheDailyWtf made a Visual Studio extension that automatically submits code to the dailywtf Oct 28 13:58:32 I would make it automatically submit entire VB projects =) Oct 28 13:58:46 hehe Oct 28 13:58:50 TRWTF is VB Oct 28 13:59:08 "but.. but... VB is *nice*!!1!!" Oct 28 13:59:17 http://inedo.com/Resources/Images/Curios/SubmitWTFMenu.png Oct 28 13:59:22 lol Oct 28 13:59:50 is there a way to remove an individual appointment from a repeating appointment in calendar? due to e.g. some kind of exception in lecture arrangements Oct 28 14:00:01 Someone should make a song about this.. Oct 28 14:00:03 N900_athens: you are looking for someone with a greek build of maemo at a n900, there is no greek build! Oct 28 14:00:17 If there's something strange. .. in your VB application ... Who you gonna call? DailyWTFers! Oct 28 14:00:44 erani: HAH, I honestly doubt that Oct 28 14:00:51 crashanddie: You do not want to make them write code from the start Oct 28 14:01:13 crashanddie: First of all, you can create a team with 1-2 old timers leading that works on the UI Oct 28 14:01:22 crashanddie: this is really easy in QML by the way Oct 28 14:01:39 maybe we don't, but I sure as hell know a lot of managers who would love nothing more than drones that start printing code as soon as they touch a keyboard Oct 28 14:01:53 crashanddie: For the coding jobs, you select trackers that require trivial work and assign them to newbies, giving each of them a buddy Oct 28 14:01:59 * DocScrutinizer whisling the gostbusters theme Oct 28 14:02:26 crashanddie: well, a lot of non-technical people think that writing code is like digging ditches but we all know it is not Oct 28 14:02:39 Some of it (like web programming) ALMOST is :) Oct 28 14:03:09 DocScrutinizer: oh well. symbian had that option so I somehow thought maemo would too :D it's quite useful after all to change one appointment in a series of gazillion that would stay the same Oct 28 14:03:49 agree, and honestly I haven't tried to do that yet Oct 28 14:04:51 can anybody help me with a crash course on how to debug/trace an application on the device? Oct 28 14:05:01 somebody evaluated importing of appointments to N900 from google, and claimed biweekly or somesuch stays intact as long as you don't edit. So possibly there's the infra to do that, but no UI Oct 28 14:05:13 yeah. i usually carry my school calendar with me in my phone all the time, and lectures tend to change quite frequently so changing an individual appointment or putting some notes into it would be great Oct 28 14:05:51 RST38h, well, this guy really was digging a ditch: http://mobilemru.com/meetup/ search for this: (note the space after the double dash at the end) ' or 10 union (select name, concat('Userid: ', id, ' -- email ', email, ' (', name, ' ', surname, ') is a ', if (sex=1, 'male ', if (sex=2, 'female', 'gay')), if (religion=1, 'hindu', if (religion=2, 'muslim', if (religion=3, 'christian', if (religion=4, 'buddhist', 'south-indian' Oct 28 14:05:51 )))), ' (password: "', password, '")'), id, id, id, id, id, id, id, id from profile); -- Oct 28 14:06:46 lol Oct 28 14:06:54 SQL injection fun Oct 28 14:07:02 and they say php magic quotes was evil Oct 28 14:07:15 javispedro, magic quotes is evil Oct 28 14:07:34 * Stskeeps ponders idly why someone says 'nitdroid all over again' in a negative fashion Oct 28 14:07:37 did i miss something? Oct 28 14:07:46 crashanddie: it is when you try to know what you're doing, it isn't when you don't, like the above guy Oct 28 14:07:51 Stskeeps: ?? Oct 28 14:07:59 crashanddie, thats the same site you were trying to hype yesterday, ehats your relationship/motivation behind this? is it your code/site thats running? Oct 28 14:08:17 you missed "Give Nokia your cherries" birth :-) Oct 28 14:08:36 lcukn900, nope Oct 28 14:08:45 ~tell N900_athens about flasher Oct 28 14:08:49 ~tell N900_athens about flashing Oct 28 14:09:00 hey Oct 28 14:09:26 ~tell chem|st about DocScrutinizer Oct 28 14:09:49 so why so interested in one specific site, theres many many places which show tell you how to deal with sql injection and what does it jmatter anyway in this case? Oct 28 14:09:51 lcukn900, just some racist homophobic asshole who assumes everyone owes him something. I don't like being insulted because someone doesn't like the fact you have to pay to have a nice design for your website Oct 28 14:10:39 lcukn900, for the record, he's getting emails with all the information I'm getting from the sql injection, and I told him how to plug it, plus, it's a test website Oct 28 14:10:57 lcukn900, crashanddie just punch each other in the face and calm down =) (stop fighting girls) Oct 28 14:11:05 we're fighting? Oct 28 14:11:13 Hmmm... Oct 28 14:11:22 aren't you? Oct 28 14:11:23 ZogG: ? Oct 28 14:11:23 err whatever. :s obviously some grudging going on Oct 28 14:11:27 boring Oct 28 14:11:37 crash: When you hack someone and deface his site, do not say you have done it because he is homophobic or asshole Oct 28 14:11:41 RST38h privet Oct 28 14:11:49 * javispedro ponders why does the power button have a fixed timeout to send the "released" event Oct 28 14:11:50 crash: Just admit it: you are doing it for LULZ! Oct 28 14:12:02 ZogG: TAKuKY Oct 28 14:12:12 Åñòü ðóññêèå ? Oct 28 14:12:22 RST38h, he lists "GAY" as a sex, and your account is suspended when you register as a gay muslim, because "those two options aren't compatible" Oct 28 14:12:25 WolfS: No, use latin. Oct 28 14:12:31 WolfS, englih nd unicode please Oct 28 14:12:36 javispedro: ?? elaborate Oct 28 14:12:49 crashanddie like you do give a shit Oct 28 14:12:54 I do. Oct 28 14:12:55 crash: That is his own brainbugs to sort out Oct 28 14:13:05 crashanddie why would you? Oct 28 14:13:05 Plus I was bored at work yesterday. Oct 28 14:13:06 where russia people ? Oct 28 14:13:10 DocScrutinizer: the N900 power button input device -- it sends key down events right when you press it, but it sends key release events a second or so after Oct 28 14:13:13 WolfS, in russia Oct 28 14:13:13 WolfS here Oct 28 14:13:14 crashanddie, can i ask how you found this outa? Oct 28 14:13:32 lcukn900 he is gay muslim ??? Oct 28 14:13:33 hmmm Oct 28 14:13:59 javispedro: after press while still held down, or after release? Oct 28 14:14:03 release Oct 28 14:14:05 WolfS ya slushau =) if you have something to sk you can PM RST38h, he is russian and like to help people Oct 28 14:14:11 weird Oct 28 14:14:23 ZogG: I like helping people? Really? Oct 28 14:14:29 * lcukn900 goes finding out whats wrong with virgin Oct 28 14:14:31 * RST38h found something new about himself today. Oct 28 14:14:33 lcukn900, it's in the bloody code he demonstrated. He didn't open a so music playing after call and play button on widget will never be fixed ah Oct 28 14:14:59 crashanddie opensource FTW Oct 28 14:15:03 ZogG , I am badly speak english Oct 28 14:15:05 ZogG, lol :) Oct 28 14:15:10 WolfS, yeah, we gathered that. Oct 28 14:15:16 ZogG: May get fixed once they open the involved source code Oct 28 14:15:17 WolfS, http://translate.google.com Oct 28 14:15:27 DocScrutinizer: yeah, that was my term Oct 28 14:15:28 crash: Google is even worse at it Oct 28 14:15:43 RST38h, hmm. It's actually decent with western-european languages Oct 28 14:15:55 RST38h oh i see - it will never happens? Oct 28 14:16:07 why the hell are you into computers if you can't speak english? Oct 28 14:16:14 ZogG: Not necessarily. Ask someone from Nokia for current status Oct 28 14:16:14 * tybollt is tired of the apologists... Oct 28 14:16:24 or n900 would be dinosaur when phones would be implant in your head Oct 28 14:16:31 tybollt: Why are you here then? Oct 28 14:16:44 tybollt in soviet russia computers into you Oct 28 14:17:04 timeless_mbp: sorry trashcollector cleaned up my stack - context please Oct 28 14:17:14 I had an N900 up to now paid by my company, I have to give it back Oct 28 14:17:19 I'm wondering if I should buy a new one Oct 28 14:17:22 RST38h i don't believe any Nokia lies anymore Oct 28 14:17:23 or if I should move to a new device Oct 28 14:17:25 "broke the seal" Oct 28 14:17:32 aah Oct 28 14:17:52 so how the F Microsot got the money from companies for using android? Oct 28 14:18:09 loufoque_, n900 is the best linux lapto^H^H^H handheld I've seen Oct 28 14:18:13 haven't you read about it? Oct 28 14:18:14 ZogG: nokia lies? what now? Oct 28 14:18:17 if you want a _phone_, you may want to look elsewhere Oct 28 14:18:29 tybollt they don;t lie - they are not telling whole truth Oct 28 14:18:37 about what? Oct 28 14:18:40 mgedmin: but nokia doesn't care about it Oct 28 14:18:40 tybollt everything is too much cloudy to see thru Oct 28 14:18:55 ZogG: yeye but what specific issue are you getting at? Oct 28 14:18:56 depends on how you define "care", I suppose Oct 28 14:18:56 tybollt updates, changelogs, flash, bugs... Oct 28 14:19:05 ZogG: oh yes - of course Oct 28 14:19:12 loufoque_: it cares as much as Dell cares about that Linux laptop it just sold you Oct 28 14:19:12 they keep releasing new firmwares every now and then Oct 28 14:19:24 ZogG: but you can't atually SAY that... cause if you do all the nokia people go all EMO and shit Oct 28 14:19:46 tybollt all the videos from lab of new things they made with N900 thatu never can see actually and if you e-mail to ask you get some beautifull blahblah shit Oct 28 14:19:50 but yes you are right of course Oct 28 14:19:58 loufoque_: aka nothing at all =) Oct 28 14:20:04 zogg++ Oct 28 14:20:10 tybollt not all Nokias, but Nokia, there is a difference Oct 28 14:20:26 javispedro: Apple cares about its iphone and its appstore Oct 28 14:20:27 weird stuff - all they day I feel like Friday, and an hour ago I was thinking "hey but IRC isn't like Fr". Not now though Oct 28 14:20:30 i don't mind to get NO, but to get no answer is killing Oct 28 14:20:35 about flash is most funny Oct 28 14:20:44 adobe says it's nokia and nokia is adobe Oct 28 14:20:48 javispedro: I'd like Nokia to do the same Oct 28 14:20:50 apple cares too much about its owners Oct 28 14:20:54 Ovi is shit Oct 28 14:20:57 loufoque_: complain Oct 28 14:20:58 apple doesn't Oct 28 14:21:09 loufoque_: (with your pocket ofc) Oct 28 14:21:18 er.,. Oct 28 14:21:19 psycho_oreos than use apple with only functions they say you to use Oct 28 14:21:21 s/pocket/money Oct 28 14:21:27 Hey guys. Is there a gui ssh client availible for n900? Oct 28 14:21:33 apple cares to look good in eyes of people and it's different Oct 28 14:21:33 I'm not sure not giving money to nokia helps Oct 28 14:21:50 nokia is in desperate need of money if they want to make a comeback on the smartphone scene Oct 28 14:21:56 money??' Oct 28 14:21:58 ZogG, I'm not supporting apple's stance Oct 28 14:22:08 d-man? ssh is secure shell..? Oct 28 14:22:12 * mgedmin boggles at the thought of a "gui ssh client" Oct 28 14:22:21 more like "gui ssh launcher" Oct 28 14:22:24 yes... Oct 28 14:22:28 well, I suppose menus for defining favourite hostnames etc... Oct 28 14:22:34 psycho_oreos iphone has the awesomest fetuare Oct 28 14:22:41 x-term is the gui :p Oct 28 14:22:53 iphone has the awesomest fetus? Oct 28 14:23:09 iphones are bought so much with no explanations -- best feature Oct 28 14:23:47 Yeah... i'm having some problems. It asks me for passphrase of privatekey. Putty just asked me for username and pass.. :S Oct 28 14:23:49 ZogG, the hardware is pretty nice.. the software is on the par but the evangelist that is now peddling with keeping track of jailbroken iphone users isn't Oct 28 14:24:36 and him constantly talking trash is quite ludicrous Oct 28 14:24:55 d-man: ah yeah it can be a pain to get putty to work properly with keys Oct 28 14:25:26 meh Oct 28 14:25:47 All I can do is facepalm at you loufoque_ Oct 28 14:25:53 But... putty works fine.. i can't get it to work with xterm.. Oct 28 14:26:22 on the topic of GUI ssh clients, putty works pretty well for people who can't actually use computers Oct 28 14:26:37 puttytray is even better Oct 28 14:26:42 so you've made a ssh key, locked it with a password and forgotten the password? Oct 28 14:27:10 by which i mean, you can give them a menu entry and tell them "double click on that to reboot the server" Oct 28 14:27:18 i guess you'd delete the .ssh/id_rsa and .ssh/id_rsa.pub keys then.. Oct 28 14:27:27 loufoque_ it's not all about money, there are respect, love and understanding, ask DocScrutinizer, we are BFF here =) Oct 28 14:27:49 * BCMM hugs everyone Oct 28 14:28:14 ZogG: HEH? Oct 28 14:28:21 ZogG, I will facepalm at you if you actually believe what loufoque_ said Oct 28 14:28:51 do I need both X86 and ARML if I want to tinker with the sdk a little? Oct 28 14:28:59 well.. I know the passphrase, but when connecting with putty it asks me for username first and then for passprashe, xterm just asks for passphrase, but it doesn't accept the one I previusly used... Oct 28 14:29:17 D-man, what is the ssh connection string you are using Oct 28 14:29:21 KaffeeJunky123: what kind of tinkering? you might not need the SDK at all Oct 28 14:29:25 normally you include the username you want to connect with that Oct 28 14:29:33 ie: ssh gary@10.0.0.1 Oct 28 14:29:45 javispedro: writing little c++ ish hildon applications and such Oct 28 14:30:11 BCMM ohhhhh, you are so sweet Oct 28 14:30:14 javispedro: I think it's way more comfortable to develop those on my pc, instead of ssh into the N900 Oct 28 14:30:19 KaffeeJunky123: ah, nice. Not having the x86 target will prevent you from running your apps on the SDK, while not having the ARMEL target will prevent you from running the apps on the N900 =) Oct 28 14:30:30 KaffeeJunky123: you decide :) Oct 28 14:30:30 um Oct 28 14:30:41 lcukx200: ssh -i /path/to/ppk HOST -p PORT Oct 28 14:30:44 ZogG: what did I say Oct 28 14:30:47 qemu should get ARMLE to work ^^ Oct 28 14:31:08 well I'll just try out and I'll see what actually works Oct 28 14:31:09 the SDK will execute ARM binaries using qemu, but last i heard said ARM binaries couldn't use the X-server for some odd reason Oct 28 14:31:09 KaffeeJunky123: it might run your app but it does not run the entire Maemo UI Oct 28 14:31:09 LOL "I recently spent several weeks in France and have come away with three thoughts, the third of which is rather rambling." Oct 28 14:31:30 KaffeeJunky123: either way gdb runs so much better on the x86 target. Oct 28 14:31:46 D-man, idk then! i just use it simply Oct 28 14:32:02 presumably, the UI uses which arch it's being built for to decide whether or not to worry if it can't actually find the GSM modem and such? Oct 28 14:32:19 * lcukx200 curses 3.5g chirping on my speakers Oct 28 14:32:31 BCMM: it's just qemu-user limitations from the sdk version Oct 28 14:33:42 javispedro: what limitation? performance ones? Oct 28 14:33:55 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn-YesqzvNk I wonder if this is some kind of Chinese' Onion News Network. Oct 28 14:33:58 javispedro: also, is there still a problem with ARM apps using the x-server? Oct 28 14:34:22 BCMM: there are no problems with the x-server perse. qemu-user fails to emulate some stuff. Oct 28 14:34:35 ah, ok. like what? Oct 28 14:35:03 dunno, but it failts to boot the UI. Oct 28 14:35:26 lcukx200: heh, can you tell the difference between the sounds of different GSM-ish specs? Oct 28 14:36:31 BCMM, well it had dropped from 3.5g to 2.5g when the chirping was there Oct 28 14:37:31 is there a native client for anyremote? Oct 28 14:38:28 "I mainly shoot weddings, portraits and some still live." <-- Improved accuracy required. He leaves survivors. Oct 28 14:39:22 ~pr1.3 Oct 28 14:39:23 i guess pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 Oct 28 14:44:30 Termana you are too old to get my sarcasm Oct 28 14:44:41 ~pr1.4 Oct 28 14:44:41 PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject Oct 28 14:44:46 =( Oct 28 14:45:39 ZogG, actually I'm probably younger than you, but ok :P Oct 28 14:46:03 Termana: u18? Oct 28 14:46:50 Rephrase in an understandable manner? Oct 28 14:46:55 KaffeeJunky123, gtfo you perv Oct 28 14:47:08 :p Oct 28 14:47:38 crashanddie: I was about to tell him that IRC isn't a place for the underaged because there are so many pervs :( Oct 28 14:47:52 crashanddie: what are you? the pedofinder general? Oct 28 14:48:08 KaffeeJunky123, acceptance is always the first step in remission. Good on you. Oct 28 14:48:09 Coon is back Oct 28 14:48:13 * ZogG mp> south.park.s14e11.repack.720p.hdtv.x264-ctu.mkv [1280x720 H264 24.000fps] Oct 28 14:48:20 crashanddie, you just found one apparently Oct 28 14:48:22 :p Oct 28 14:48:32 KaffeeJunky123, I'm PEDOBEAR Oct 28 14:48:50 crashanddie, I was thinking more like you know, Chris Hansen Oct 28 14:49:03 But Pedobear works as well Oct 28 14:50:05 Termana, http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/9/99/Cavitysearchpedobear.jpg Oct 28 14:51:19 heh Oct 28 14:51:33 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaUkt59vY1Q Oct 28 14:51:42 that's what I was refering to Oct 28 14:51:54 and they're in turn refering to some american television show Oct 28 15:01:48 it's a shame there are probably no more PRs coming Oct 28 15:01:48 it's long been my ambition to find out about one just before #maemo does Oct 28 15:01:48 and get banned Oct 28 15:02:09 you wouldn't get banned Oct 28 15:02:47 the whole "is a bannable subject" thingie by infobot is just a meme to get maenoobs to stfu about "When is the next update coming?" Oct 28 15:02:58 crashanddie: yeah, i know that really Oct 28 15:03:07 good, I was worried for a second :D Oct 28 15:03:11 it's coming "when it's finished"â„¢? Oct 28 15:03:55 BCMM, though, if your long ambition is to get banned from #maemo, I can help you accomplish that :) Oct 28 15:06:31 is it possible to make changes to e.g. n900's calendar software so that the changes would be then applied to an official patch release rather than making it as some kind of a downloadable program in the maemo app center? Oct 28 15:07:25 ShadowJK: yeah, my Nexus One Oct 28 15:09:19 <|187|> guess is there some kinda counter for the sms? i mean without installing additional script or smth? i cant find any setting/option (for n900 that is) Oct 28 15:09:30 <|187|> in all nokias i had till now there was a counter built-in Oct 28 15:09:33 <|187|> mh Oct 28 15:22:29 |187|: user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el.db is a sqlite DB with all data. you can create a little script to query it Oct 28 15:26:00 <|187|> sweet thx agi will have a look.. thought there was somewhere already something setup that i just missed ;) Oct 28 15:31:35 well, it looks like i'm going to have to flash to get 1.3; any advice on how to do things smoothly? Oct 28 15:32:19 am i right that it won't overwrite ~/MyDocs, but will overright ~/? Oct 28 15:32:33 ^overwrite Oct 28 15:32:47 yes BCMM_ - use the backup tool to save the config data, app list and repositories Oct 28 15:33:06 BCMM_ backup Oct 28 15:33:33 lcuk: ah thanks, i forget about the backup tool Oct 28 15:34:01 lcuk: i was actually starting to consider dpkg -l + some bash magic Oct 28 15:34:12 :) Oct 28 15:35:23 oh, i must remember to backup my boot video setup Oct 28 15:36:18 * lcuk sighs at hacks and mods not being packaged up Oct 28 15:37:02 oh, i must remember to backup my boot video setup Oct 28 15:37:08 uh Oct 28 15:37:19 i meant: lcuk: ? Oct 28 15:38:24 BCMM_, you just highlighted a single one, but if your bootvideo configuration came in a proper package from extras, it wouldnt require extra work from you or others to maintain it beyond a flash Oct 28 15:38:48 hi, anyone using lugdulo'v here ? :) Oct 28 15:39:17 hey bradas! Oct 28 15:39:30 hi Venemo Oct 28 15:39:38 the repair centre was unable to repair my N900, so they replaced it with a new one :) Oct 28 15:39:45 lcuk: well, it's just a video i made and a config file that points to it Oct 28 15:40:05 hello MohammadAG Oct 28 15:40:12 it says "don't panic" in large friendly letters Oct 28 15:40:18 BCMM_, sure Oct 28 15:40:25 now you are panicing to back it up :P Oct 28 15:40:30 and more importantly, has NO SOUND Oct 28 15:40:48 hey lcuk Oct 28 15:40:58 \o venemo Oct 28 15:41:36 bah at not being able to get hold of the ppl I wanted to before my internet fell off Oct 28 15:42:59 it is brand new :) so I'm happy now. never seen a brand new N900 Oct 28 15:43:34 \o/ Venemo Oct 28 15:46:35 :) Oct 28 15:46:38 I'll be back Oct 28 15:56:29 lcuk: oh come on - that was a test! (re: links) Oct 28 15:57:26 hi again Oct 28 15:57:29 i will test kicking you into orbit if i ever see anything like that again Oct 28 15:58:30 the N900 still runs PR 1.1 (I think), but I can't reflash it from Windows... Oct 28 15:58:53 then flash it from linux Oct 28 16:00:03 will do Oct 28 16:00:14 I just have to wait until I get home to my Linux HDD Oct 28 16:07:46 Is it possible to change the SSU of a n900 without reflashing? I tried changing apt's sources.list to mr0 but the update manager seems to keep a tight lid on that and kept switching it back to 203 (UK) Oct 28 16:08:17 it's not a matter of links, packages differ a bit from one firmware to another Oct 28 16:08:50 if you want global, reflash Oct 28 16:08:56 UK firmware is retarded really Oct 28 16:13:26 BCMM_: hey you finally did it?!! gimmegimmegimme! Pretty please! Oct 28 16:15:05 I'd even consider packaging it for you, and properly ship to extras-devel Oct 28 16:16:25 if you like me to Oct 28 16:16:37 ~pr1.3 Oct 28 16:16:38 i heard pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 Oct 28 16:19:36 DocScrutinizer: mece: meego.com meego-dev archives for October 2010 have been 404ed. Shame about http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.meego.devel/6477 etc. Oct 28 16:20:17 huh? Oct 28 16:20:21 damn Oct 28 16:21:11 Jaffa: sorry? Oct 28 16:22:15 DocScrutinizer: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-October/006884.html now 404s; it was the email from a Nokian forwarding an earlier email which contained the label "About your N9" Oct 28 16:22:16 Jaffa: you tell us somebody nuked the archive as there's been the string "N9" somewhere in a post? o.O Oct 28 16:22:22 DocScrutinizer: Looks like it Oct 28 16:22:40 omfg Oct 28 16:22:42 well, i doubt that is so much the problem, but considering the guy friggen sent a mail with a lot of internal server info.. Oct 28 16:22:46 nazi alarm Oct 28 16:23:13 Nazi alarm indeed Oct 28 16:23:14 DocScrutinizer: All of "Thread", "Subject", "Author" and "Date" for October 2010 on http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/ 404. Gzip'd downloadable version still works Oct 28 16:23:28 hehe Oct 28 16:23:35 also, google cache still has it =) Oct 28 16:23:44 Stskeeps: It's on the Internet. It's been broadcast to a bazillion people, clearing it up off meego.com is like trying to extract a drop of water from the Atlantic. Oct 28 16:23:57 Jaffa: not disagreeing Oct 28 16:24:13 javispedro: And gmane, and mail-archive.com, and listware.net, and ... Oct 28 16:24:38 Stskeeps: projects.maemo.org in there was also interesting, TBH. But tekojo's set me straight on where (and what) that is. Oct 28 16:25:01 * wmarone hrms at GSM noise coming across his headphones :/ Oct 28 16:25:38 well, if anybody needs the gzip... just ping me :-P Oct 28 16:25:49 Jaffa: someone has an N9? Oct 28 16:25:55 sigh. Oct 28 16:26:02 loufoque_: Well, I assume a few Nokians do; but that's not what this was. Oct 28 16:26:17 what was it then Oct 28 16:27:04 at least some Nokia devs think it's going to be named "N9", which I at least doubted until this point Oct 28 16:27:31 loufoque_: If you believe the "we don't want N9, as an embargoed name, getting out" http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.meego.devel/6477. If you believe "OMG, internal infrastructure exposed", then http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.meego.devel/6476 Oct 28 16:27:41 javispedro, well something was named n9, since it was printed on the tin :) Oct 28 16:27:45 gzip looks corrupt Oct 28 16:28:26 * Jaffa wonders if, with some SMTP fakery, one could email harmattan-changes and use it to communicate some big change ;-) Oct 28 16:28:39 "rewrite everything in gtk" Oct 28 16:28:43 LOL Oct 28 16:28:49 "Execute Order 66" Oct 28 16:28:55 Like "email all source code here"; "please can each group send marketing materials to ..."; "We're moving to C# over Qt, get going!" Oct 28 16:29:05 javispedro: Noooooo Oct 28 16:30:24 they say chivalry is dead, but I detect tact is also a dying breed Oct 28 16:31:41 "open source cherry" Oct 28 16:31:52 though it's funny that we're pretty much having a replay of the '90s where 3D games came out but they're all blocky and the aiming is a bit weird and it's all a bit of a laugh. Oct 28 16:31:57 just that now they run on our phones Oct 28 16:32:38 Shapeshifter, what games are you referring to? Oct 28 16:33:18 mece: the palm pre games that run on the n900. assassin's creed, nova... Oct 28 16:33:18 lcuk: Meh, it's not that hard to get right. Nor are two bytes the end of the world (neither is making light of a situation that, no doubt, has some Nokians annoyed & upset) Oct 28 16:33:33 assassin's creed barely looks any better than mario 64 Oct 28 16:33:49 I mean, it's cool for such a small device, but putting it in perspective... Oct 28 16:34:09 Shapeshifter: calling Mario 64 a game from the 90s makes me feel quite old Oct 28 16:34:16 Shapeshifter: so, don't. Oct 28 16:34:20 Shapeshifter, oh. Those. I don't have access to any of those games :/ Oct 28 16:34:41 javispedro: mario 64 is from 1996 Oct 28 16:34:47 Shapeshifter, Dune 2 :) Assassins creed seem very new. Oct 28 16:35:07 Shapeshifter: GO AWAY!! GO AWAY!! LALALALALALA I'm not listening!! Oct 28 16:35:11 lol Oct 28 16:35:59 The ScummVM games feel like 90ies. Those pre games look shiny and new. Oct 28 16:36:08 Hi ! Oct 28 16:36:27 mece: they *do* look shiny and new but they're actually not :) Oct 28 16:36:40 Shapeshifter, oh. Oct 28 16:37:07 http://appmodo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/palm-assassins-creed.png Oct 28 16:37:23 well they're new allright, but not that shiny Oct 28 16:37:36 nod. rather lo res on pre Oct 28 16:38:35 Jaffa: not only two bytes. We also know it has TV-out, SIM-card, a battery, and a USB port ;) Oct 28 16:39:02 Jaffa: and that it is a phone! not a tablet =( ;) Oct 28 16:39:24 hmm, how do I add a sleep without stopping the UI? Oct 28 16:39:40 MohammadAG: in what? Oct 28 16:39:43 Qt Oct 28 16:39:45 MohammadAG: don't sleep but block on the main loop. What toolkit is this? Oct 28 16:39:46 Shapeshifter, good luck to play ... it use multi touch :) Oct 28 16:39:49 javispedro: And Bluetooth Oct 28 16:39:56 javispedro: And a "tele coil" Oct 28 16:40:10 javispedro: ...which seems to be a hearing aid induction loop brand, AFAICT Oct 28 16:40:18 A tele-coil. Oct 28 16:40:28 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/khweeteur-experimental_0.0.39-7/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt <<< someone understand the reason of the failed ? Oct 28 16:40:35 now is that the revolutionary part? =) Oct 28 16:40:35 javispedro, Qt/C++ Oct 28 16:40:55 MohammadAG: do you want a timeout instead (getting a callback called after a few seconds?= Oct 28 16:41:06 MohammadAG: timer Oct 28 16:41:10 javispedro: Carrying on from Order 66, it allows you to remotely choke someone without having to be a Sith lord. Oct 28 16:41:17 MohammadAG: there are a few different solutions: http://doc.trolltech.com/qq/qq27-responsive-guis.html Oct 28 16:41:51 Khertan: check what dpkg-checkbuilddeps do Oct 28 16:42:12 Khertan: yeah I know. I'm trying to figure out if it's possible to make some fake multitouch work Oct 28 16:42:18 Jaffa: I guess some Nokia manager, per usual, interpreted "needing a killer application" literally ;) Oct 28 16:42:45 hrw|uds, hum ... arg not available on n900 Oct 28 16:43:09 Khertan: looks like a syntax error in control file Oct 28 16:43:36 * hrw|uds agrees with javispedro Oct 28 16:43:49 hum ... ok thanks will try to found it manually so :) Oct 28 16:43:51 Khertan: dpkg-checkbuilddeps reads debian/control and checks are all deps are installed Oct 28 16:44:02 Khertan: always do local builds first Oct 28 16:45:14 hrw|uds, local build don't work on n900 :) Oct 28 16:45:30 found the problem a space is missing Oct 28 16:45:32 yeah ! Oct 28 16:45:51 Khertan: so do that in maemosdk? Oct 28 16:46:02 doesn't run on device ;) Oct 28 16:46:04 maybe Nokia knew that we hated pulseaudio and the xprot stuff, so they removed it without fixing the speakers, thereby limiting the output volume? Oct 28 16:46:12 and thus, they had to add some "hearing aid" Oct 28 16:46:17 :) Oct 28 16:46:27 Khertan: all packages are in maemosdk. you should be able to get them on device ;D Oct 28 16:46:46 Khertan: what new in khweeteur? Oct 28 16:46:49 hrw|uds, and i'm writing a distutils extension for python standart packaging tools :) Oct 28 16:46:59 hrw|uds, bugs ... geolocalisation ... and more bugs Oct 28 16:47:17 Khertan: bugs... there are far too many of them already ;d Oct 28 16:47:29 hrw|uds, and it s package with a new packaging system Oct 28 16:47:41 hrw|uds, there is no bugs, just network errors Oct 28 16:47:44 Khertan: I hope that one day you will have version which will scroll smoothly Oct 28 16:47:57 hrw|uds, it s already scroll smoothly Oct 28 16:48:08 hrw|uds, did you try it with pr1.3 ? Oct 28 16:48:24 I have pr1.3 Oct 28 16:48:37 so it should scroll smoothly Oct 28 16:48:37 let me check Oct 28 16:48:44 it s works for me :) Oct 28 16:49:06 of course ... it didn't scroll well if you have a load average of 10 Oct 28 16:49:16 I scrolled a bit and it switched to "I am busy now" ;D Oct 28 16:49:33 ? Oct 28 16:49:41 strange Oct 28 16:49:46 Khertan: too often I end with "7 days ago" tweets displayed after initial scroll Oct 28 16:49:47 didn't had such problem Oct 28 16:50:12 did you have played with transition.ini ? Oct 28 16:50:27 or some other settings ? Oct 28 16:50:29 Khertan: my transition.ini is full of 0's Oct 28 16:50:39 maybe this explain that Oct 28 16:50:50 btw, are these games really "just SDL"? I don't even see multi touch support in SDL Oct 28 16:50:50 with a standart transition.ini no problem Oct 28 16:50:51 :) Oct 28 16:51:13 Khertan: with standard one the whole ssytem also lags compared to 0s Oct 28 16:51:33 hrw|uds, you have a problem somewhere so ... i didn't had such problem Oct 28 16:51:57 hmm so anyone running a more recent kernel on the n900(m5) with full functionality?... or got the dual booting stuff working yet? Oct 28 16:52:26 * hrw|uds -> other sessions Oct 28 16:52:27 or at least they removed all the code in 1.3 apparently... Oct 28 16:52:28 bbl Oct 28 16:52:46 why are ppl so obssede with multitouch? Oct 28 16:53:04 ruskie: meego-arm have Oct 28 16:53:05 because they didn't have a keyboard on their device Oct 28 16:53:21 ruskie: ah, m5. Oct 28 16:53:25 :) Oct 28 16:53:35 what is m5 ? Oct 28 16:53:44 maemo5? Oct 28 16:53:56 I'm not impressed by the meego ux so I'll stick to m5... Oct 28 16:54:51 still will give it a try Oct 28 16:55:26 Are the maemo/extra/ repos busy / Oct 28 16:55:28 ? Oct 28 16:58:12 At what state is host mode these days btw? Oct 28 17:00:19 frals :) Oct 28 17:00:34 is frals a state now? Oct 28 17:01:04 m Oct 28 17:01:16 mece, just compiled and uploaded a (password protected) kernel Oct 28 17:01:21 not tested Oct 28 17:01:24 :) Oct 28 17:02:44 any geeps users here? just published a new version and it is so much better now! :) Oct 28 17:03:49 http://maemo.org/packages/view/nfsu-installer/ <<< is it really legal ? Oct 28 17:04:18 It will take original .ipk file from Palm Pre game and install it into the Maemo system. The game is meant to be played on Nokia N900 via PreEnv Palm Pre emulator. Oct 28 17:04:33 if you have a legal way to get the ipk sounds like it Oct 28 17:04:35 Jaffa: ^ Oct 28 17:04:57 sound awfully like the SNES emulators though Oct 28 17:05:07 yeah.. let's not repeat the emulator problem Oct 28 17:05:08 very probably isn't Oct 28 17:05:22 what was the emulator prob? Oct 28 17:05:37 Nintendo sent cease and desist Oct 28 17:06:32 well technically to get a nintendo rom you need some interesting hardware to grab it out Oct 28 17:06:41 so biggest chance is that it's a rip off Oct 28 17:07:03 not to mention that the only way to get an .ipk is either a) manipulating the catalog application (outside the reach of your average lemming) b) outright pirate it. Oct 28 17:07:11 Hello! How can I fingerprint whether I have PR1.2 or PR1.3 on a particular root file system? (I have 2 instances of maemo on one N900 and do not know which one got updated now...) Oct 28 17:07:32 ruskie: you are a bit out of touch of the world if you assume that that is the only way to get nintendo roms Oct 28 17:07:47 so, whoever talks about .ipk is usually publicy telling everyone "I'm either a überhacker or a pirate". Guess what one's more probable. Oct 28 17:07:48 Myrtti, did you read the other line? Oct 28 17:08:08 when getting the games from your own pre there's no ipk file involved. Oct 28 17:08:09 javispedro: Stskeeps: Khertan: there's nothing intrinsically obviously wrong with that package from a legal PoV AFAICT. Although it'd be better if the "buy NFSU game" and "download .ipk" links took you somewhere relevant. Oct 28 17:08:14 javispedro: Ah. Oct 28 17:08:31 OpenWRT uses .ipk packages, iirc Oct 28 17:08:48 * Jaffa assumes X-Fade approved the garage project. Oct 28 17:08:51 mgedmin: that's the "I'm a überhacker" part. Oct 28 17:08:55 I'm guessing flashing a custom firmware onto your wireless router qualifies as uberhackery Oct 28 17:09:12 kW_, settings -> about Oct 28 17:10:52 ruskie: well, both instances tell me "Version: 20.2010.36-2" Oct 28 17:11:04 mooojavispedro, mgedmin, the rest Oct 28 17:11:15 moo Oct 28 17:11:16 ruskie: some other files would have changed, and this should be visible by their file date... or by different versions of certain packages or so Oct 28 17:11:34 check /etc/init.d/rcS Oct 28 17:11:41 the later one should have an extra line Oct 28 17:11:52 erm the more recent one I meant Oct 28 17:13:52 +echo 20 > /proc/sys/net/unix/max_dgram_qlen Oct 28 17:13:59 specifically that's new Oct 28 17:15:08 Tragedy struck a couple of days ago. My friends N900 met a watery death :/ Oct 28 17:15:30 ruskie: I see Oct 28 17:15:31 javispedro: I'm trying to figure out how the palm pre games manage to get multitouch input. Because SDL 1.2 doesn't have any multitouch support, I assume they're using custom events, and maybe they are reading directly from the input device (touch screen). Do you have a pre? Oct 28 17:15:51 Shapeshifter: I think I told you to read on SDL and multiple mice.. Oct 28 17:15:52 ruskie: that worked, now I can identify the correct instance .-) Oct 28 17:15:53 So he was considering where to get a new one, and remembered a girl who bought one on an impulse half a year ago. Oct 28 17:16:25 javispedro: multiple mice? I didn't find anything, really. Is the palm running X, even? multi pointer X? I thought that doesn't even exist yet. Oct 28 17:16:31 So he tried to market an iphone 4 to her as the be all end all device, so she would feel like selling her n900 to him. Oct 28 17:17:32 the answer was pretty clear. "The iphone is a toy, and I don't want it. Also, I love my N900 more than life itself. So no deal." Oct 28 17:18:44 so apparently non-nerds can enjoy the n900 too :) Oct 28 17:19:24 mece, non nerds may be able to, but they also give threats involving violence if certain updated levels of angry birds are not released :P Oct 28 17:19:42 lcuk, not this one though. Oct 28 17:20:05 lcuk, those people don't love their n900. Oct 28 17:20:56 damn... would love to meet girls like that Oct 28 17:21:41 those certain people should get an iphone Oct 28 17:21:47 javispedro: people in #sdl are quite convinced that SDL 1.2 does not have any support of that kind. And googling for "multiple mice event" or similar things only yields your thread on tmo ^^ Oct 28 17:23:37 Shapeshifter: there's this thing called sdl 1.3 ... :) Oct 28 17:24:06 I'm thinking about getting a N900 but I dont really know it's already a year old device but hey maybe that's a good thing? it's propably alot better know than it was when it was first shipped Oct 28 17:24:09 new icons for meego handset! yummy! Oct 28 17:24:22 Vilhelmo: Depends on what you want Oct 28 17:25:21 javispedro: but, but... the n900 and the pre use sdl 1.2 I thought Oct 28 17:25:36 I know that sdl 1.3 has multitouch. Oct 28 17:26:04 Shapeshifter: the Pre uses a heavily modified SDL1.2, the changes of which have been released by Palm as per the GPL Oct 28 17:26:08 * javispedro quotes himself Oct 28 17:26:16 RST38h: well I'm pretty geeky if I would get it I would not get it just for the phone Oct 28 17:26:26 javispedro: ah Oct 28 17:28:58 mece: damn, this girl clearly qualifies for premium nerd in my book Oct 28 17:29:55 DocScrutinizer, well afaik she doesn't know anything about computers other than writing her thesis on one :) Oct 28 17:29:55 I'm trying to connect to internet via 3G with this command: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.phone.SSC /com/nokia/phone/SSC com.nokia.phone.SSC.set_radio boolean:true Oct 28 17:30:01 And nothing happens. Oct 28 17:31:32 how can I manually restart X on my mobile ? Oct 28 17:32:53 killall Xorg? Oct 28 17:32:56 killall hildon-desktop might be a start Oct 28 17:33:14 That doesn't restart X-server afaik? Oct 28 17:33:35 sudo buzzkill Oct 28 17:33:40 hmm probably not Oct 28 17:34:22 so it's reboot then :-P Oct 28 17:34:44 wouldn't killing Xorg do the trick? Oct 28 17:34:49 should Oct 28 17:35:02 lemme try Oct 28 17:35:05 something is acting as a watchdog to restart it if it ever crashes Oct 28 17:35:08 uh -oh Oct 28 17:35:13 yes Oct 28 17:35:33 * DocScrutinizer shrugs Oct 28 17:35:36 lol Oct 28 17:35:41 well, it rebooted the device Oct 28 17:35:41 there's a Xorg process Oct 28 17:35:50 DocScrutinizer, killing it reboots the device Oct 28 17:35:59 toldya Oct 28 17:36:03 reboot is it then Oct 28 17:36:11 DocScrutinizer, eyup Oct 28 17:36:38 I miss ctrl-alt-f2 (or other f's) Oct 28 17:36:51 on N900 Oct 28 17:37:15 hmm Oct 28 17:37:37 dunno if matchbox supports multiple x-sessions Oct 28 17:38:00 should Oct 28 17:38:41 I just taught my sister how to make a photo collection CD with Brasero and F-spot over the phone. I feel so proud... Oct 28 17:38:58 she has got linux??? Oct 28 17:39:14 what's her phone number? Oct 28 17:39:28 RST38h: sisters don't let sisters run Windows Oct 28 17:39:37 :-D Oct 28 17:39:58 I got fed up trying to fix her Windows since I've not used it for years myself Oct 28 17:40:07 hehehehe Oct 28 17:40:12 hehe Oct 28 17:40:25 nothing spreads linux better than Win7 Oct 28 17:40:34 hm Oct 28 17:40:37 she had W2K Oct 28 17:40:45 omg Oct 28 17:40:52 soiled w2k, surely? Oct 28 17:40:53 my son likes win7 and has a mild panic attack when I suggest booting linux Oct 28 17:41:11 RST38h: this was a year ago, when I finally gave up on it and got a new-ish computer for her Oct 28 17:41:14 * DocScrutinizer cackles Oct 28 17:41:22 hehe x3 Oct 28 17:42:37 lcuk: get that win theme for linux, and tell him after a week he used linux since... Oct 28 17:42:41 win2k was great Oct 28 17:43:12 DocScrutinizer, media centre wont work on it Oct 28 17:43:28 hmm, beat wine to it Oct 28 17:43:52 though bah mediacenter Oct 28 17:43:52 not worth hassle, will meegoify it when its ready Oct 28 17:44:20 its 20" multitouch already and he will make a good tester Oct 28 17:44:43 wut, 20" mt o.O Oct 28 17:44:59 ? Oct 28 17:45:00 20" MT allinone, nice intel rig apart from failing the boobie test Oct 28 17:45:06 hmm need to put some money aside for the touchbookv2... Oct 28 17:45:44 or maybe the smartbook... can't really decide but already have a mid so don't really need the mid Oct 28 17:45:59 lcuk: what's your average cleanser detergent consumption? :-P Oct 28 17:46:08 DocScrutinizer, not very high Oct 28 17:46:20 touch isnt used because windows makes for gorilla arm Oct 28 17:46:32 yeah, son doesn't care the chocolate stains Oct 28 17:46:33 its ok when we are stood around Oct 28 17:46:51 the youngest does, the surface games are quite neat Oct 28 17:47:03 shame about the boobies Oct 28 17:47:04 :( Oct 28 17:47:14 did someone say boobies? Oct 28 17:47:18 lol Noobmonk3y Oct 28 17:47:19 .oO(???) Oct 28 17:47:19 yes Oct 28 17:47:30 evvvvvvening!!! Oct 28 17:47:30 Noobmonk3y: do you highlight on that? Oct 28 17:47:45 http://liqbase.net/liq.packard.bell.multitouch.boobies.fail.20100402_003.mp4 Oct 28 17:47:54 BCMM, my highlight list would scare people! Oct 28 17:48:11 WHHHHYYYY my package icon isn't working Oct 28 17:48:22 i guess its a driver failure, hoping that linux gets it right :) Oct 28 17:48:26 i require some help :) Oct 28 17:48:32 friggin shit, my konqi just downloads that mp4 Oct 28 17:48:34 reboot Oct 28 17:48:41 need to use N900 :-P Oct 28 17:48:42 lol lcuk, unable to play on the n900 Oct 28 17:48:43 then download it and watch :P Oct 28 17:48:51 khertan? Oct 28 17:48:54 Noobmonk3y, shouldnt be a problem, it was recorded on one Oct 28 17:49:09 meh, says it cant palay Oct 28 17:49:16 Noobmonk3y, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/k/khweeteur-experimental/khweeteur-experimental_0.0.39-7_armel.deb Oct 28 17:49:17 :) Oct 28 17:49:17 nah Oct 28 17:49:31 i didn't understand why HAM didn't see the icon Oct 28 17:50:03 Noobmonk3y is furiously downloading it to his specially sorted downloads folders Oct 28 17:50:13 http://maemo.org/packages/view/khweeteur-experimental/ <<< didn't see it too Oct 28 17:50:14 pfff Oct 28 17:50:19 lol Oct 28 17:50:22 Shapeshifter: re multitouch stuff, since there's both the ugly way and the beatiful way, I suggest you wait for now. Oct 28 17:50:58 MEH! :-/ media format not supported Oct 28 17:51:05 WTF? Oct 28 17:52:30 lol lcuk! saw that ages ago! Oct 28 17:52:48 wasnt that the first thing you tested on the fail screen? Oct 28 17:52:52 lcuk: HOORAY, looks pretty nice: Oct 28 17:52:52 yes Oct 28 17:52:54 ftypmp42 mp42isom3gp6 Oct 28 17:52:57 etc Oct 28 17:53:31 Noobmonk3y, i did extensive research and pretty much every screen i tried it on failed Oct 28 17:53:39 so i didnt take it back in the end and luke has it now Oct 28 17:54:29 I'm not going to dl this with wget, to find out none of my players knows how to playback it Oct 28 17:57:00 lcuk... sounds like the boobies test should be a basic manufacturers test for multitouch!!! Oct 28 17:57:33 well it is quick and simple enough to perform :) Oct 28 17:57:34 javispedro: mhh Oct 28 17:57:51 whats the gay version? bum cheek test? Oct 28 17:58:14 brighton can get multitouch too, wohoooooo Oct 28 17:58:22 oh good grief Oct 28 17:58:25 i dunno, do computers have touch panels on the backside? Oct 28 17:58:26 :) Oct 28 17:58:31 some do Oct 28 17:58:33 lol lcuk!!! Oct 28 17:58:42 In fact, a joypad at the backside is my favorite idea Oct 28 17:59:00 !!! Oct 28 17:59:39 you can tell when i join..... the conversation goes seriously downhill!! Oct 28 18:00:02 hmm, I suggested implementing a capacitive MT TS to battery cover, some months ago Oct 28 18:00:03 indeed Oct 28 18:00:24 frals, trout Oct 28 18:00:31 * frals slaps Noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout Oct 28 18:00:35 RST38h, DocScrutinizer - its actually a really good principle and I am far from knocking it as a solid idea! Oct 28 18:00:37 wooop Oct 28 18:00:48 back latersl Oct 28 18:00:48 but it wouldnt work all time because of using device resting against things Oct 28 18:01:22 https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-October/029689.html Oct 28 18:01:25 mOUarAF Oct 28 18:02:06 guysm, Do you use a shield to protect the display? Oct 28 18:02:25 lcuk: of course it's a complementary concept Oct 28 18:02:55 * lcuk nods Oct 28 18:03:50 VilhelmO personally I dont, a lot of people do though Oct 28 18:04:04 my device is in a case whenever it's not being used though Oct 28 18:06:02 can someone explain why adding liblua5.1-0 to my control file Depends: doesn't make it install? It's in Extras, installs fine manually, but dpkg or HAM just complain it's not installed yet Oct 28 18:10:06 CreamyG, maybe liblua isn't installable Oct 28 18:10:24 of course it is, type apt-get liblua5.1-0 and its fine Oct 28 18:10:39 or install my package that depends on it, type apt-get upgradge -f later, and it installs it Oct 28 18:11:52 hum Oct 28 18:11:57 yep ... the obscur error of HAM :) Oct 28 18:12:10 dpkg does the same thing though, just with more info Oct 28 18:12:20 it says oooh its not installed, skipping configure Oct 28 18:12:24 and leaves my thing half installed Oct 28 18:12:33 dpkg will do Oct 28 18:12:41 dpkg didn't install dependancies Oct 28 18:13:02 well ham is just calling dpkg isn't it Oct 28 18:13:08 no, apt Oct 28 18:13:17 apt Oct 28 18:13:18 :) Oct 28 18:13:48 hmmm does apt call dpkg? just wondering cuz i know the "faster app manager" uses it Oct 28 18:14:39 fapman uses apt, apt is a frontend for dpkg Oct 28 18:14:59 makes sense.. ok thx Oct 28 18:15:04 HAM doesn't call apt Oct 28 18:15:15 HAM calls apt-worker, which calls apt-get, which calls dpkg Oct 28 18:15:23 that first thing is what makes it slow Oct 28 18:16:29 so is the fact that the library i need is in a bunch of repositories confusing it you think? cuz its duplicated in all branches of extras - testing & devl Oct 28 18:17:19 grrr autobuilder seems to doesn't works as it should Oct 28 18:17:31 how come? Oct 28 18:17:38 CreamyG, no Oct 28 18:17:39 khweeteur stay in the queue Oct 28 18:17:51 CreamyG, you're either doing it wrong, or something's wrong with the device Oct 28 18:17:56 koffice and pyside mobility was taken not khweeteur Oct 28 18:18:09 i got before a strange error : https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-October/029689.html Oct 28 18:18:17 ok ... will retry this tomorrow Oct 28 18:18:21 this is borring me :) Oct 28 18:18:32 stupid debian control file ! Oct 28 18:18:42 a space made things broken Oct 28 18:20:51 javispedro: I'm still not sure how it would be possible anyway, because either you'd need to push SDL events to the SDL event queue of the app, which would be easy enough but which is impossible if the app doesn't have the event queue exposed, which I strongly suspect (or do you think/know that the palm actually uses SDL events to communicate with a running game?) or you'd have to alter whatever the input device sends or whatever Oct 28 18:21:24 Shapeshifter: that is normal SDL stuff. the ugly part I'm telling about is that you need 1.3 headers. Oct 28 18:21:37 Shapeshifter: SDL_PushEvent =) Oct 28 18:21:56 javispedro: well I'd need the headers palm used, no? Oct 28 18:22:10 Shapeshifter: those are SDL1.3 mostly Oct 28 18:22:36 javispedro: but SDL_PushEvent only works "inside" an application. the queue is per context Oct 28 18:23:26 the queue is per-application, why you say otherwise? Oct 28 18:24:02 javispedro: yes. then it is impossible to push an event to one of the existing games Oct 28 18:24:44 Shapeshifter: I think you're grasping something wrong here... :P Oct 28 18:24:49 possibly Oct 28 18:25:11 Shapeshifter: libsdlpre si a library that links with the application. so, it is now part of the application. Oct 28 18:25:24 if you alter the queue, you are altering the application's queue. Oct 28 18:25:39 not "the library's own copy of the queue", which doesn't exist. Oct 28 18:25:53 ah haa Oct 28 18:26:27 so once a palm pre game runs, and I start a second palm pre game (or a custom made program that uses that lib), they all still use the same queue? Oct 28 18:26:46 well that helps Oct 28 18:26:57 I should have used the word "process" instead of application. Oct 28 18:27:07 oooo palm pre games on the N900? Oct 28 18:27:14 Hi Oct 28 18:27:30 hi john! Oct 28 18:27:55 javispedro: I see. And you're saying I'll be having trouble compiling my stuff Oct 28 18:29:08 Shapeshifter: I'm saying it will be a mess. Oct 28 18:29:26 * javispedro sighs Oct 28 18:29:32 I did not want to do Preenv work today! Oct 28 18:29:35 * javispedro goes to work Oct 28 18:29:42 aww Oct 28 18:30:28 seriously Oct 28 18:30:30 xplane alone... Oct 28 18:30:42 * maybeWTF is a very happy camper \o/ Oct 28 18:32:02 mhh, patch from palm towards SDL 1.2 has 16'000 lines Oct 28 18:33:43 I'm selling my N900 for an N8, it was nice to be part of the community Oct 28 18:33:51 lol!!! Oct 28 18:33:56 MohammadAG: it's a nice phone Oct 28 18:34:00 sit down comedian Oct 28 18:34:18 Mozillion, how much? Oct 28 18:34:25 Mohammadag_ even Oct 28 18:34:26 the N900? Oct 28 18:34:30 yup Oct 28 18:34:34 MohammadAG: no angry farewell note? Oct 28 18:34:41 about umm *quick in head conversion* Oct 28 18:34:48 400 bucks Oct 28 18:34:57 YOU ALL SUCK!!!1111!!!!! Oct 28 18:35:01 bucks! lol :) Oct 28 18:35:01 Nokia, you suck!!! Oct 28 18:35:04 happy javispedro ? Oct 28 18:35:05 :P Oct 28 18:35:11 MohammadAG: you can't beat qwerty12's exit, i'm sorry Oct 28 18:35:12 :P Oct 28 18:35:21 could always do with another phone :) Oct 28 18:35:26 MohammadAG: "you Nokia suck!" "now gimme N8!" Oct 28 18:35:27 Stskeeps, agreed Oct 28 18:35:29 Stskeeps, I can swear, but I'm sure I don't want +b on a channel Oct 28 18:35:30 ;P Oct 28 18:35:53 huh Oct 28 18:36:00 ah who am I kidding, qwerty12 ftw at rants Oct 28 18:36:00 query12 exited? Oct 28 18:36:04 *ty Oct 28 18:36:20 * MohammadAG takes Shapeshifter out of his cave Oct 28 18:36:38 meh.... MohammadAG if you're leaving i should leave too and get a brick.... i might be able to figure out brick coding..... Oct 28 18:36:38 no goodbyes? :( Oct 28 18:36:42 you know, I don't *live* here ;) Oct 28 18:36:56 * Noobmonk3y waves bye bye Oct 28 18:37:07 MohammadAG: no sane person would take a Symbian phone instead of anything other. Sorry, that is not a credible threat for me! =) Oct 28 18:37:20 javispedro, threat? Oct 28 18:37:36 :) Oct 28 18:37:39 javispedro, you're suggesting I should get an iPhone? Oct 28 18:37:47 javispedro, how dare you? Oct 28 18:38:02 dear lazyweb Oct 28 18:38:05 MohammadAG: just saying :) Oct 28 18:38:07 Mohammadag_ how about no phone? Oct 28 18:38:18 Noobmonk3y, how would I troll on the go on tmo? Oct 28 18:38:19 anyone have a *simple* way to compare two directories? Oct 28 18:38:26 diff? Oct 28 18:38:30 get some good porn, some bacon and some booze :) Oct 28 18:38:33 a directory is equal to another directory if each file has the same content Oct 28 18:38:49 a symlink is equal to another symlink if the path data encoded in the symlink is the same Oct 28 18:39:07 the symlinks may be e.g. "../../foo" Oct 28 18:39:15 foo may or may not exist Oct 28 18:39:36 ESPECIALLY BACON Oct 28 18:39:41 timeless_mbp, we are saying goodbye to MohammadAG :) Oct 28 18:39:49 Noobmonk3y: why? Oct 28 18:40:01 but if symlink 1 points to /home/user/a and symlink 2 points to /home/user/b and the contents of a and b are the same Oct 28 18:40:02 he's getting an eye-phoney Oct 28 18:40:09 MohammadAG; I thought you would have yours for ever, eatleast until stable meego? Oct 28 18:40:10 wat Oct 28 18:40:11 then the symlinks are *not* the same Oct 28 18:40:12 nah, N8 Oct 28 18:40:22 wait for the N9 :< Oct 28 18:40:28 N8 with an iTheme..... Oct 28 18:40:38 N8 with a Maemo theme :P Oct 28 18:40:43 MohammadAG: diff -r fails miserably on the symlink case Oct 28 18:40:55 Mohammadag_ you suck..... trouts.... Oct 28 18:40:58 N8 with emacs... Oct 28 18:41:10 timeless_mbp: rsync Oct 28 18:41:23 valdyn: a specific commandline is appreciated Oct 28 18:41:37 timeless_mbp: no idea, never used it for this Oct 28 18:41:42 we spent about an hour trying to figure out how to do it w/ rsync Oct 28 18:41:49 rm -rf Oct 28 18:41:51 A recent survey of 750 Australian schools has revealed that on average children have grown too large for their chairs and desks. Oct 28 18:41:59 that's what I do when something doesn't work out Oct 28 18:42:01 timeless_mbp: it would be trivial to create an script that outputs each symlink relative path and link contents Oct 28 18:42:08 timeless_mbp: then diff those two plain text files Oct 28 18:42:09 timeless_mbp; what are you trying to compare, the data or just the file names? Oct 28 18:42:16 timeless_mbp: maybe script it yourself, shouldnt be to hard Oct 28 18:42:20 Trizt: data, raw data, not derefing symlinks Oct 28 18:42:27 timeless_mbp: or it should take 1 hour Oct 28 18:42:43 valdyn: some files may be mb's large Oct 28 18:42:52 i don't really want to write my own file compare :( Oct 28 18:42:59 timeless_mbp: you dont need to Oct 28 18:43:00 suprised lcuk has kept quiet.... tis rare Oct 28 18:43:04 timeless_mbp: write a loop around cmp Oct 28 18:43:11 timeless_mbp: or diff Oct 28 18:43:14 timeless_mbp: or rsync Oct 28 18:43:26 Noobmonk3y, i saw your bacon post :P Oct 28 18:43:42 valdyn: still looking for command line args for rsync Oct 28 18:43:44 lol :) you mean u slurped at tit :) Oct 28 18:43:47 we tried a bunch of things Oct 28 18:43:49 nothing worked Oct 28 18:43:55 I would do: for x in $files; do echo $x `readlink $x` > list; done in each of those two folders, then diff both list files. Oct 28 18:43:58 lcuk, and not my goodbye post? I'm disappointed Oct 28 18:44:01 timeless_mbp, i went through same issue when looking at optify stuff, i couldnt find a decent comparison other than dereferencing and then checking Oct 28 18:44:05 note that a directory is not the same as another directory if one has a file not present in the other Oct 28 18:44:21 MohammadAG, if you were going you wouldnt request feedback Oct 28 18:44:49 javispedro: yeah, at that point i might as well use perl.. Oct 28 18:44:51 timeless_mbp: rsync with -p doesnt do what you want? Oct 28 18:44:53 lcuk, I'm not requesting feedback, I'm just asking for a farewell Oct 28 18:44:55 (your code isn't whitespace safe) Oct 28 18:45:05 ok, cya tomorrow o\ Oct 28 18:45:06 anyways, if you hate giving those, bye :) Oct 28 18:45:08 mohammadag_ has hidden a secret in his ubuntu port, its a big f*ck you, installs the iphone over maemo i hear.... Oct 28 18:45:13 -p, --perms preserve permissions Oct 28 18:45:14 timeless_mbp: it's nothing safe, it does not even check if file is a symlink or not, but you get the idea =) Oct 28 18:45:21 valdyn: ^ that's rsync's -p... Oct 28 18:45:32 javispedro: yeah, i know how to do that Oct 28 18:45:36 MohammadAG51: you'll come crawling back Oct 28 18:45:38 we all know that Oct 28 18:45:44 i'd like to avoid writing my own dir walking code and such Oct 28 18:45:56 heck, i'd like to avoid writing my own program Oct 28 18:46:00 MohammadAG51, sucks trouts ...... Oct 28 18:46:04 timeless_mbp: I understand you want to preserve symlinks while also comparing the contents Oct 28 18:46:27 valdyn: um.. Oct 28 18:46:32 comparing, not overwiriting :P Oct 28 18:46:39 basically on linux a symlink is "special" Oct 28 18:46:43 javispedro: same deal Oct 28 18:46:46 i don't consider symlinks special Oct 28 18:46:53 timeless_mbp: i know what a symlink is Oct 28 18:46:57 i want to read the underlying data that is in the actual symlink Oct 28 18:47:01 timeless_mbp: but i dont understand exactly what you want Oct 28 18:47:21 dir1/foo: "hello world"} Oct 28 18:47:31 timeless_mbp: dereference every symlink, is that it? Oct 28 18:47:40 valdyn: roughly readlink Oct 28 18:48:22 javispedro: understood that part correctly Oct 28 18:48:30 s/:/ / Oct 28 18:48:31 timeless_mbp meant: javispedro understood that part correctly Oct 28 18:49:23 valdyn: he wants to implement "f" in http://pastebin.com/r2QgYmBy Oct 28 18:50:11 (correct me if wrong) Oct 28 18:50:22 that's correct for symlinks Oct 28 18:50:42 dir4/a is a symlink to "../z" Oct 28 18:50:46 javispedro: understood Oct 28 18:50:47 dir4/ has no other files Oct 28 18:50:49 the other bits are f(dir1, dir4) := false Oct 28 18:51:15 f(dir4, dir1) := false Oct 28 18:51:35 dir5/a is a file with the same contents as x Oct 28 18:51:43 dir5/b is a symlink to "../x" Oct 28 18:51:50 f(dir1, dir5) := false Oct 28 18:51:51 ... Oct 28 18:52:26 timeless_mbp: or if not symlink, use data, if symlink, use linkpath Oct 28 18:52:40 sounds like perl already =) Oct 28 18:52:45 valdyn: right... Oct 28 18:52:48 javispedro: heh Oct 28 18:53:04 it just seems incredibly lame to have to write a script for this Oct 28 18:53:23 * DocScrutinizer51 gets goosepimples Oct 28 18:53:25 dunno, I guess we don't have any unix beard around Oct 28 18:54:37 timeless_mbp: doubt theres a single tool, find -type f should grab the files, find -type l should grab the links Oct 28 18:54:47 Is there a 64bit flasher anywhere? Oct 28 18:54:54 timeless_mbp how could i limit the maximum brightness in a browser window? i.e. scale all colors to be less than full dynamic range? Oct 28 18:54:58 valdyn: at that point i'd need a programming language anyway Oct 28 18:55:00 for any website Oct 28 18:55:15 timeless_mbp: yes Oct 28 18:55:21 timeless_mbp: bash Oct 28 18:55:34 * pupnik ponders glx options Oct 28 18:55:38 valdyn: imo bash is too quote unfriendly Oct 28 18:55:57 timeless_mbp: this is a 2-liner only Oct 28 18:56:03 valdyn: let's see it? Oct 28 18:56:23 * DocScrutinizer51 gets more goosepimples Oct 28 18:57:08 pupnik: you could probably do * { opacity: 50 } and html { background-color: black } Oct 28 18:57:11 i wouldn't recommend it Oct 28 18:57:15 the performance should be terrible Oct 28 18:57:44 (that's the only thing that comes to mind offhand) Oct 28 18:57:44 pupnik, just turn down screen brightness Oct 28 18:57:45 or wear sunglasses Oct 28 18:58:10 s/#[0-9a-f]/magic/i Oct 28 19:00:11 lcuk: this is about lowering browser color so it doesn't glare-out the video i'm watching on the side Oct 28 19:00:36 you don't listen to all music at 100% volume, for example Oct 28 19:00:54 hmm pupnik on n900 or desktop/laptop? Oct 28 19:01:11 lappy Oct 28 19:01:24 easier then, there are nighttime stylesheets? Oct 28 19:01:44 * MohammadAG was bored and fucking around, I'd never sell the N900, not till the N9 arrives Oct 28 19:01:49 on device it might be a problem to do full dynamic alteration Oct 28 19:01:52 yeah if there were some way to hit a button and darken webpages a bit Oct 28 19:01:54 true lcuk Oct 28 19:01:57 actually, I won't sell it at all Oct 28 19:02:36 how did i not install queen beecon till now? Oct 28 19:02:45 it's splendid Oct 28 19:03:03 MohammadAG: see, I was right. No one in his sane mind swaps a true phone for a symbian device. Oct 28 19:03:51 it's not a phone :P Oct 28 19:05:10 a true gadget. Oct 28 19:05:30 more like it :P Oct 28 19:06:07 * MohammadAG still wants to know how to fork a process and deattach it from the existing shell Oct 28 19:06:33 "nohup"? Oct 28 19:06:35 and no, script & doesn't work, since if the parent shell dies, the process dies Oct 28 19:06:38 hmm? Oct 28 19:06:57 man nohup on a sane GNU platform :) Oct 28 19:07:21 javispedro: does such a platform exist? Oct 28 19:07:36 luke-jr: you tell me Oct 28 19:08:32 ooh, nice Oct 28 19:12:06 ~bacon Oct 28 19:12:06 hmm... bacon is a filling substance which will make you even fatter than you already are... Take my advice, bacon is a food for the gods or for underweight models such as that McBeal chick... Oct 28 19:12:32 ~trout Oct 28 19:12:45 fail..... Oct 28 19:13:16 ~android Oct 28 19:13:17 methinks android is an Open Handset Alliance Project by Google or an alleged Open Source phone software stack that's really not open. http://code.google.com/android/, or if it's sometime actually freed, someone might port it on the neo, but the provided binaries are incompatible Oct 28 19:13:50 ~lcuk Oct 28 19:13:51 well, lcuk is a mighty good developer, best known for his work on liqbase and helping Nokia with the Identity project during the onedotzero event in London. Oct 28 19:14:03 :) Oct 28 19:14:06 hmm Oct 28 19:14:15 infobot: bacon is awesome Oct 28 19:14:15 * infobot goes Footloose on is awesome, even though its illegal Oct 28 19:14:16 ~MohammadAG Oct 28 19:14:16 how do I use sed to remove ./ from ./mp-fremantle-generic-pr Oct 28 19:14:23 wut Oct 28 19:14:41 infobot: bacon Noobmonk3y Oct 28 19:14:41 * infobot goes Footloose on Noobmonk3y, even though its illegal Oct 28 19:14:42 what does that mean Oct 28 19:14:48 oh, here we go Oct 28 19:14:49 lol Oct 28 19:15:00 infobot: MohammadAG has left #maemo . He failed..... trout.... Oct 28 19:15:09 lol!!!! Oct 28 19:15:12 nice Oct 28 19:15:13 ~MohammadAG Oct 28 19:15:22 failboat Oct 28 19:15:40 welcome back Mo Oct 28 19:15:42 DocScrutinizer, any ideas? Oct 28 19:15:45 Noobmonk3y: use "to be", not "to have". Oct 28 19:15:57 MohammadAG: sed 's/\.\///' Oct 28 19:16:14 ~n8 Oct 28 19:16:16 MohammadAG: unless i misunderstand the question Oct 28 19:16:19 why do you use sed, anyway Oct 28 19:16:25 oh, '' Oct 28 19:16:27 wouldn't a basename do better Oct 28 19:16:27 could you please quit fooling around with the bot Oct 28 19:16:29 ? Oct 28 19:16:33 sed s/.\///g didn't work Oct 28 19:16:35 meh Oct 28 19:16:37 thanks BCMM_ Oct 28 19:16:41 DocScrutinizer, basename? Oct 28 19:16:45 by the way, does anybody else find that ad where they put the n8 to "power" robots & whatnot slightly insulting? Oct 28 19:16:48 Nokia-N900:/var/lib/dpkg/info$ find -name mp-fremantle*.list | sed s/.list//g | sed 's/\.\///' Oct 28 19:16:48 mp-fremantle-generic-pr Oct 28 19:16:51 MohammadAG: i guess that's because you need to escape the . too Oct 28 19:16:53 s/meh/meh meh/ Oct 28 19:16:53 Noobmonk3y meant: meh meh Oct 28 19:17:06 BCMM_, tried that Oct 28 19:17:11 MohammadAG: it is indeed true that basename would be easier here Oct 28 19:18:23 frals, why so quiet? Oct 28 19:18:46 MohammadAG: Oct 28 19:18:47 someone have the right to admin maemo builder ? seems he didn't want to build my package :) Oct 28 19:18:49 jr@halley:~> basename /home/jr/.xinitrc.template Oct 28 19:18:51 .xinitrc.template Oct 28 19:18:59 Nokia-N900:/var/lib/dpkg/info# basename mp-fremantle-*.list Oct 28 19:19:00 mp-fremantle-generic-pr.list Oct 28 19:19:05 that sounds geeky! Oct 28 19:19:06 I need to remove the extension Oct 28 19:19:51 how much of it? Oct 28 19:20:00 til first dot, til last dot? Oct 28 19:20:09 meh, need to fetch my pizza Oct 28 19:20:12 bbl Oct 28 19:20:18 emjoy Oct 28 19:20:21 :) Oct 28 19:20:41 * Noobmonk3y wishes there was 48 hours in a day! Oct 28 19:21:08 MohammadAG: "basename mp-fremantle-*.list .list" Oct 28 19:23:28 http://pastebin.com/ag6VULmS so this should work right? Oct 28 19:24:38 MohammadAG: will there be only one file matching /var/lib/dpkg/info/mp-fremantle-*.list? Oct 28 19:24:44 and did you mean to put .list in twice? Oct 28 19:24:49 yo guys, does anyone know which song they used here? http://maemo.nokia.com/videos/introducing-maemo-5/ Oct 28 19:25:04 BCMM_, yes, and MohammadAG: "basename mp-fremantle-*.list .list" Oct 28 19:25:08 BCMM_: the tailing .list is to cut off the .list extension Oct 28 19:25:22 and yes, there should be only one Oct 28 19:25:29 gregoa: ah, didn't know basename did that Oct 28 19:25:37 MohammadAG: I'd just try it with "echo" before "dpkg" :) Oct 28 19:25:39 * MohammadAG didn't know about basename Oct 28 19:25:59 it's not a needed package really Oct 28 19:26:01 * MohammadAG tries script Oct 28 19:26:20 right before i found out about basename, i did horrid things in sed too Oct 28 19:26:52 * gregoa always forgets about basename but remembers the second parameter Oct 28 19:27:08 the media player in the video says "Grum - Go Back", but i couldn't find that track anywhere, only "Le Castle Vania Remix" which is pretty close, so i wondered whether anyone knows whether there is an original version of the song and where to get it Oct 28 19:27:23 MohammadAG: well, i'm sure it's a very, very tiny program Oct 28 19:29:02 MohammadAG: since it's presumably mostly just a call to basename() from libgen.h Oct 28 19:29:30 also, i suspect it's in POSIX or something and loads of stuff uses it Oct 28 19:33:44 MohammadAG: always "tick" $vars in script! otherwise just a silly "space in filename" will break things, not to mention doom coming from more weird stuff Oct 28 19:34:47 DocScrutinizer, I know, but the $vars should not have space files in this case Oct 28 19:35:05 mv foo ';rm -rf /;' Oct 28 19:35:14 this is BS ... http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n9-3398.php Oct 28 19:36:46 mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/mp-fremantle-*.list '/var/lib/dpkg/info/mp-fremantle-foo;rm -rf /;.list' Oct 28 19:37:13 MohammadAG: "the $vars should not have space files in this case" - famous last words... Oct 28 19:37:24 yep :-P Oct 28 19:38:21 you know, Microsoft really did have a good idea with that "Program Files"… Oct 28 19:38:27 seen even commercial .doc->.pdf converters fail when the *.doc had a filename with a space :-P Oct 28 19:38:38 MohammadAG: as in the specs are stupid, or as in the specs are unsourced fabrication? Oct 28 19:39:36 BCMM_, both Oct 28 19:39:41 more of the former Oct 28 19:40:14 I thought it was a higher res Oct 28 19:40:28 and OMAP3 Oct 28 19:42:04 - Handwriting recognition PFFFFT Oct 28 19:42:27 ofc, + c-ts Oct 28 19:42:30 MohammadAG: N900 is OMAP3… Oct 28 19:42:56 flash lite seems extremely improbable to me Oct 28 19:43:39 1 GB ROM! WTF? don't they know diff tween NAND and ROM? Oct 28 19:43:45 lol Oct 28 19:44:53 aah yes, BT with USB-OTG support Oct 28 19:45:47 also, WAP? seriously? Oct 28 19:45:57 Java: yes, MIDP2 Oct 28 19:46:14 and snapdragon, errr... *cough* Oct 28 19:46:27 luke-jr, yes, so? Oct 28 19:46:34 luke-jr, I'm talking about the N9 Oct 28 19:49:02 mmmmmm the smell of freshly washed clothes - and lovely soft jammies Oct 28 19:50:19 hmmmm pizza Oct 28 19:51:19 I can't wait to see "Voice command/dial" Oct 28 19:51:43 "computer, warm jammies" Oct 28 19:51:46 on meego HE (==maemo, basically) Oct 28 19:52:37 really curious what blob abomination Nokia is shoving down our throat this time Oct 28 19:53:13 lcuk: oy, I did laundry all by myself! Oct 28 19:53:22 no need for computer in that... Oct 28 19:53:32 I'd actually accept a blob if only it works on maemo too Oct 28 19:53:38 ok then "Myrtti, warm jammies" Oct 28 19:55:03 *slap* wash your own Oct 28 19:55:45 I was playing NOVA on my n900, after completing the training, how do you go to the next level? :-) Oct 28 19:57:07 Myrtti, :D but you do them so well Oct 28 19:57:19 * lcuk puts them in the dryer for a bit Oct 28 19:57:42 he says that a lot Oct 28 19:58:34 * GAN900 sighs. Oct 28 19:58:47 Broken image of the puddle of piss. Oct 28 19:58:51 hmm? Oct 28 19:58:53 anyway, whole day has been full of fail so I might as well go to bed, perhaps tomorrow isn't going to be so full of fuckups as today... then again, I've said that for two months now, and it's mainly gotten just worse. Oct 28 19:59:04 Locking it before Image processing is done is apparently bad for your photos. Oct 28 19:59:38 Myrtti, are you performing similar tasks as we have discussed in the past? Oct 28 19:59:59 lcuk: probably worse Oct 28 19:59:59 or is this a different level of fail Oct 28 20:00:19 then gimme your jammies, I will rewarm them for you Oct 28 20:00:24 would it be possible to use flasher 3.5 on a pure 64-bit linux? Oct 28 20:02:30 but perhaps tomorrow I'll get an assesment on how much fixing my phone will cost Oct 28 20:04:07 myrtti: what's wrong with it Oct 28 20:04:15 Myrtti: try to top today's fuckups tomorrow - "just let's see how evil it gets if I push". I bet you'll find the day went by and not even 50% of the expected fuckups were successful, so in the end a better day Oct 28 20:04:35 ShadowJK: wanna see a video? I've made a video Oct 28 20:05:34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUjQ9uGynyA ten minutes of lovely classical piano music in a loop, with a couple of jokes. Oct 28 20:05:44 can't view videos right now, so a description would be cool Oct 28 20:06:03 and sorry, no, it's not a Nokia phone. A Nexus One being stuck in boot Oct 28 20:06:44 aw Oct 28 20:07:06 man how/where do you even get those fixed Oct 28 20:07:23 junkyard? Oct 28 20:08:13 have I covered all cases http://pastebin.com/TkKrayVA ? Oct 28 20:08:20 nah, probably Radiology at hospital Oct 28 20:08:26 * MohammadAG pokes DocScrutinizer and lcuk ^ Oct 28 20:08:29 hi all, I'm looking for a place to request apps on the site. I know I've seen them around on both forum and wiki. It feels better using an existing thread than just starting a new one. Does anyone have a link? Oct 28 20:08:31 that is a good question. The first question I was asked at the place was "do you have a warranty certificate" and I said "would you believe that the only proof that I've got this device is a tick by my name on a big list, kept in the filing cabinet of Chris diBona at Google HQ?" Oct 28 20:08:52 stop posting, I can't click it :-P Oct 28 20:09:17 the girl smiled and said "I do, but I don't know if the guys will, so I'll just file this phone under 'no warranty certificate available'" Oct 28 20:12:38 MohammadAG: line 6 can be written as "ps ax | grep -q [a]pt-worker". -q instead of the redirect, and user a pattern saves the "grep -v grep". please note that I've only tested with GNU grep, not sure about busybox Oct 28 20:13:27 MohammadAG: aptitude is not covered. but in general I think killing running processing is a bit brutal. I'd rather "exit 1" after the "echo please exit ..." Oct 28 20:13:42 gregoa: nice Oct 28 20:13:59 gregoa, (killing), the script is run from postinst, there's no other way Oct 28 20:14:08 and ack for the "bit brute" Oct 28 20:14:11 MohammadAG: why is there a "read kexpress" for HAM but not for apt/dpkg/(apt-get/aptitude) Oct 28 20:14:32 forgot about it, haven't tested the script Oct 28 20:14:41 MohammadAG: ok, postinst was the piece I missed :) Oct 28 20:15:19 (pgrep also works instead of "ps ax | grep foo" but only if it's installed ...) Oct 28 20:15:19 gregoa, I need to fork it from the postinst, then ask the user to close HAM since they will most probably have it open Oct 28 20:15:24 MohammadAG: also you may see races, as you wait on several places, and test conditions only once. I'd restart the whole script on any error, to recheck all Oct 28 20:15:41 gregoa: no pgrep in messybox Oct 28 20:16:34 DocScrutinizer: it's in busybox-symlinks-procps, no idea if this is installed by default. OTOH I'm sure I haven't installed it myself :) Oct 28 20:16:57 let's see Oct 28 20:17:26 Nokia-N900-02-8:~# busybox pgrep --help Oct 28 20:17:27 BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso26+0m5) multi-call binary Oct 28 20:17:29 Usage: pgrep [-flnovx] pattern Oct 28 20:18:41 MohammadAG: killall apt-worker isn't doing what you hope it does I guess. apt won't exit instantly, instead it probably does cleanup to exit gracefully, and this takes time Oct 28 20:19:54 hm. in fact I'm not sure if running dpkg from a running dpkg (postinst) works at all. Oct 28 20:21:09 gregoa, that's why I fork it... Oct 28 20:21:27 that's not the postinst itself Oct 28 20:21:43 ah. sounds like an adventurous exercise but might be worth trying :) Oct 28 20:21:44 this is the postinst, nohup osso-xterm "sudo /root/script.sh" & exit Oct 28 20:22:00 should be exit 0 Oct 28 20:22:40 btw why does update-sudoers make my postinst exit with status 255 if I don't use exit 0? Oct 28 20:23:36 MohammadAG: I'm probably missing something but wouldn't an mp-fremantle-community-pr package that has a "Conflicts: mp-fremantle-foo, mp-fremantle-bar, ..." be enough the replace them? Oct 28 20:27:34 MohammadAG: why *wouldn't* N9 be OMAP3? Oct 28 20:28:13 luke-jr, you're missing the point, it says snapdragon Oct 28 20:28:19 read up Oct 28 20:28:30 gregoa, HAM says package conflicts, unable to install Oct 28 20:28:33 or something on that line Oct 28 20:28:35 cool, even better than OMAP Oct 28 20:28:49 luke-jr, I'm saying the specs are BS Oct 28 20:28:50 MohammadAG: ok, I feared something like that. silly HAM. Oct 28 20:28:52 :p Oct 28 20:29:00 gregoa, Replaces: is ignored Oct 28 20:29:32 MohammadAG: Replaces wouldn't be necessary since, AFAIK, mp-fremantle-* doesn't contain any files Oct 28 20:29:47 indeed Oct 28 20:30:05 mp-fremantle-pizza-pr Oct 28 20:30:32 aaahaha Oct 28 20:30:35 LOLpost: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=855074&postcount=10 Oct 28 20:32:07 In lack of a better place I just posted to the apps section of the forum.. Oct 28 20:32:35 hope it gets through to the right people ;) Oct 28 20:38:27 well, cmt has only crashed 25 times in 10 hours. This is maybe half of what it did before I handed in my N900 for repairing cmt Oct 28 20:38:52 it was 0 November - September :/ Oct 28 20:39:02 * ShadowJK sighs Oct 28 20:39:12 ShadowJK: oops, cmt crashs are definitely something Nokia should have fixed for good Oct 28 20:39:42 They don't happen when you have it on a tablet or in a jig or whatever Oct 28 20:40:12 ShadowJK: still it might be difficult as could be caused by BTS brainfsck Oct 28 20:41:06 No it's quite strongly correlated with sudden movements Oct 28 20:41:18 Like say having it in trouser pocket and walking Oct 28 20:41:56 ShadowJK: e.g. PWRLVL tx power attenuation - which is controlled by BTS via sending cmd to MT - could do havoc due to non-stds- conforming protocol Oct 28 20:42:50 or the freq-adjust does, which is roughly working similarly Oct 28 20:42:52 before I sent it in, pressing k on keyboard would make it drop connection Oct 28 20:43:04 hmm is the power kernel compatible with pr1.3? Oct 28 20:43:05 ouch Oct 28 20:43:14 thao doubtt's mechanical, n Oct 28 20:43:22 grrrr Oct 28 20:43:25 also is there a less-than power kernel where it only enables various vanilla stuff? Oct 28 20:43:35 that's mechanical, no doubt Oct 28 20:43:52 yes Oct 28 20:44:01 ruskie: power-kernel is pre-1.3 Oct 28 20:44:19 pester titan to update Oct 28 20:44:28 or maybe MohammadAG does Oct 28 20:44:38 I had hoped my N900 would last until next device :-( Oct 28 20:44:39 if he didn't get eaten by the lemmings in the overclock thread Oct 28 20:44:42 I guess I'll have to figure out how to roll my own... since it has way to many fiddly bits... just want the same kernel but with a lot of extra modules Oct 28 20:45:11 Stskeeps: hehehehe >:-) Oct 28 20:45:23 does what? Oct 28 20:45:45 power-kernel 1.3 Oct 28 20:46:24 I.E throw titan's patches on stock 1.3 kernel Oct 28 20:46:38 or maybe make a non-patched one Oct 28 20:46:52 err wut? Oct 28 20:47:03 just enable all the various extras Oct 28 20:47:14 this ARE the patches ;-) Oct 28 20:47:24 no Oct 28 20:47:31 hmm, no idea Oct 28 20:47:32 the various patches are for the various fidly OCing and other crap Oct 28 20:47:58 ruskie: you'll have to do that yourself Oct 28 20:48:15 as soon as I figure out how to Oct 28 20:48:56 nobody wants to strip down an augmented kernel so you feel more comfy with it Oct 28 20:49:38 or is there *any* other benefit in that exercise, beyond you feeling better? Oct 28 20:51:26 well, module a few 100k smaller size of vmlinuz maybe Oct 28 20:51:36 modulo* Oct 28 20:53:19 Stskeeps: AIUI we got a 2MB kernel partition, which - I seem to have heard - even gets small without uBoot. Any plans how to tackle that, or am I mistaken? Oct 28 20:54:01 there's a 2mb initrd partition if you're so included.. Oct 28 20:54:21 inclined Oct 28 20:54:52 DocScrutinizer: http://tree.celinuxforum.org/pipermail/celinux-dev/2010-January/001995.html Oct 28 20:54:54 DocScrutinizer, suggestion for better hotswap Oct 28 20:55:05 insert battery, remove charger, start bme Oct 28 20:55:16 no need to lock/unlock to get screen back Oct 28 20:55:30 ok, goot find :-) Oct 28 20:55:40 good* Oct 28 20:55:56 damn, sorry. Doc needs coffee Oct 28 20:56:05 * ShadowJK wonders if the "use another phone's internet connection on N900 over bluetooth" ever got to a working stage Oct 28 20:56:11 hmm anyone used that free flasher to flash stuff to the n900 yet? Oct 28 20:56:21 I could maybe use my old cellphone to give cellular access to N900 :/ Oct 28 20:57:21 ruskie, PaulFertser I think Oct 28 20:57:35 successfully? Oct 28 20:57:35 ruskie: yes Oct 28 20:57:48 ruskie: for flashing and turning R&D mode, yes. Oct 28 20:57:58 just want to flash a test kernel Oct 28 20:58:06 ruskie: unsuccessfully for backing up a flashed kernel. Oct 28 20:58:17 gah... why do I keep forgetting what it's named... Oct 28 20:58:24 0xFFFF Oct 28 20:58:33 thanks Oct 28 20:59:47 I've some strange issues with pr1.3, applications I've installed from the repos don't showup anywhere and even with mc I can't find their executables. Namely the load-applet and the cpumem-load programm do have this issue. Oct 28 21:00:29 Any ideas how to solve that problem? Oct 28 21:00:45 ... Oct 28 21:00:50 >>(Try running your rootkit on _that_ box.)<< LOL Oct 28 21:01:17 load-applet is loaded on the status menu, no icon Oct 28 21:02:05 so... i am about to remake my n900 as i have pretty much stuff on it which i don't want anymore and it got a lil more messed up than i wanted... should i go with pr 1.3 or still stick to pr 1.2? Oct 28 21:02:06 it's a shared library of hildon-desktop Oct 28 21:02:20 1.3 Oct 28 21:02:21 all toolbar widgets are Oct 28 21:02:22 Oh :> Oct 28 21:02:31 ->kaf Oct 28 21:02:43 My bad Oct 28 21:02:48 SpeedEvil: Stskeeps: anyway my question targeted direction partitioning, not downsizing kernel to a 'hello world' 0.0.1 version Oct 28 21:02:54 MohammadAG: anything really major fixed which i will see? Oct 28 21:02:56 is there a nice list somewhere of exactly what the differences between the regional versions of maemo are? Oct 28 21:03:15 other than stuttering, no Oct 28 21:03:47 so... nokia fixes the n900 stuttering and just leaves it now in the wild all alone by itself?! Oct 28 21:03:54 cool, at least it knows how to talk... Oct 28 21:04:05 which stuttering? the interface being slow when the CPU is loaded? Oct 28 21:04:10 what stuttering? Oct 28 21:05:02 actually, does anyone know a single difference between the UK and USA version of maemo? Oct 28 21:05:12 probably wifi firmware Oct 28 21:05:19 oh, permitted bands... Oct 28 21:05:55 if i use the wrong region, i'm still not going to get in anyone's way unless someone is operating an AP on the wrong band though, right? Oct 28 21:06:13 Does someone have usable FM transmitter on PR1.3? Oct 28 21:06:27 or working boost Oct 28 21:06:27 heh, as it happens my router can do that band they only use in Japan Oct 28 21:06:46 Turski, boost was patched in kernel Oct 28 21:06:52 (cc PaulFertser) Oct 28 21:06:59 BCMM_: right Oct 28 21:07:13 MohammadAG, as in not possible any more? Oct 28 21:07:27 ruskie, reverse kernel patches and compile, then replace module Oct 28 21:07:41 short answer, not on stock Oct 28 21:07:41 damn ;S Oct 28 21:07:46 fun Oct 28 21:07:50 so what does global permit? all wifi bands, or just wifi bands that are OK everywhere? Oct 28 21:07:56 the transmitter is totally unusable with 1.3 Oct 28 21:08:01 BCMM: most can, they just disable it in software Oct 28 21:08:11 long answer: needs kernel module reloading Oct 28 21:08:11 I guess I'll need to bother rolling my own kernel-sane build or something... will see Oct 28 21:08:23 had to bring N900 just 2cm from the radio antenna to be able to hear something from radio Oct 28 21:08:46 so, short of me accidentally creating an ad-hoc wireless network on a band which interferes with something, can anyone think of a way that using the wrong region could actually be antisocial? Oct 28 21:08:58 it hasn't been that sucky with PR1.2 even without boost Oct 28 21:09:00 illegal Oct 28 21:09:17 DocScrutinizer, or replacing, then rebooting Oct 28 21:09:38 Turski: just rmmod and modprobe again the fmtx driver. Oct 28 21:09:45 ruskie: i'm not bothered about that, unless it's illegal enough for me to get caught Oct 28 21:10:00 PaulFertser: how would that help? do i need a patched module? Oct 28 21:10:12 Turski: the driver remembers lock only until after a reload. Oct 28 21:10:26 oh :O Oct 28 21:10:36 Turski: i've no idea who exactly locks it though, but i guess if you start boost right after module reloading, it'll work. Oct 28 21:11:56 i also complained yesterday about weird 2 seconds freeze on audio when pressing power button, but that has disappeared O_o Oct 28 21:12:11 MohammadAG: replacing is a nice permanent fix. Reloading is just fixing the blown write-once fuse Oct 28 21:13:07 + * Fixes: NB#155346 - FMTX power level setting & FMTX disabling Oct 28 21:13:07 + settings to be more robust Oct 28 21:13:09 nice wording Oct 28 21:13:20 hmm boost works for me Oct 28 21:13:30 atleast that I can tell Oct 28 21:13:34 look i didnt ask you that, you're taking it all out of context fuckhead Oct 28 21:13:37 without it need to basically move it to the antena Oct 28 21:13:41 know what? this reminds me of core-wars Oct 28 21:13:48 tybollt, ??? Oct 28 21:13:50 ehr that was NOT the correct window, sorry Oct 28 21:13:54 lol Oct 28 21:13:55 ruskie: doesn't work for me Oct 28 21:14:10 but when I enable boost I can be up to half a meter away or so Oct 28 21:14:23 ruskie: it had awesome range when connected a charger and enabled boost after that :P Oct 28 21:15:00 range of many meters at least Oct 28 21:15:18 (yeah, probably not legal :P ) Oct 28 21:15:25 fsckit Oct 28 21:15:33 whocares Oct 28 21:15:50 but now it just doesn't work Oct 28 21:16:11 Turski: see MohammadAG ^^^ Oct 28 21:16:23 yeah Oct 28 21:16:43 and PaulFertser of course, he found it Oct 28 21:17:14 need to try that reloading next time Oct 28 21:17:34 * MohammadAG built the 1.2 module against 1.3 headers Oct 28 21:18:07 i'm not really familiar with compiling stuff on/for maemo Oct 28 21:18:37 MohammadAG: would probably want to share that module if it's working fine? Oct 28 21:18:38 BCMM_: don't worry! worries are antisocial Oct 28 21:19:16 http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/PR1.3/fmtx-si4713.ko Oct 28 21:19:19 have not tested it Oct 28 21:19:27 but I don't see why it shouldn't work Oct 28 21:19:51 BCMM_: just listen to Frank Zappa, Joe's Garage Oct 28 21:20:00 MohammadAG: ok, thanks Oct 28 21:20:21 MohammadAG: VERMAGIC correct? Oct 28 21:20:45 DocScrutinizer, same VERMAGIC, PR1.3 didn't change it Oct 28 21:22:10 Turski, so, does it work? Oct 28 21:22:42 Question for all of you: if I am fine with Maemo PR 1.2 on my N900, is it worth upgrading (OTA) to PR 1.3? Oct 28 21:22:58 kwtm, it's mostly neutral. Oct 28 21:23:16 MohammadAG: so any PR1.2 *.ko should still work? :-o Oct 28 21:23:17 I see some of you said PR 1.3 but would like various opinions. Oct 28 21:23:28 I'm not entirely convinced they did anything but make us download 84MBs of packages. Oct 28 21:23:32 MohammadAG: can't test right now Oct 28 21:23:39 MohammadAG: but will try tomorrow Oct 28 21:23:55 DocScrutinizer, might say invalid module format or something about symbols, different headers Oct 28 21:23:57 GAN900: I see. Okay, will see how things go first. I'll stay with 1.2. (I recall some people went from 1.1 to 1.2 and some things broke) Oct 28 21:24:16 MohammadAG: then Nokia FAILWALE Oct 28 21:24:43 * MohammadAG prefers the term FAILCHERRY Oct 28 21:24:53 kwtm: wise. *me* same Oct 28 21:25:27 well managed to build a bootable kernel Oct 28 21:25:33 >>GIVE NOKIA YOUR CHERRIES!<< Oct 28 21:25:42 now just need to configure it and rebuild again Oct 28 21:26:18 ...and make the new config actually work as expected ;-P Oct 28 21:26:27 GAN900: Well, the 84MB included some fixes (see Bugzilla query link on http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 ) and a few new bugs as usual. You know the game... Oct 28 21:27:08 andre__: yes. A nice new one: SMS disappears Oct 28 21:27:27 DocScrutinizer: yupp. see workaround in 11456 Oct 28 21:27:39 ooh, there's a workaround? Oct 28 21:27:45 bug 11456 Oct 28 21:27:46 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11456 History of every conversation (SMS, IM) empty after update to PR1.3 Oct 28 21:27:49 DocScrutinizer, that's what worries me yes... work as expected... but then I don't have much... I want a fb console, pptp support, iptables, possibly some other things... Oct 28 21:28:02 it's actually not even a new bug. has happened before, but now more people run into it. weird. Oct 28 21:28:08 anyway sleep Oct 28 21:29:00 heh! andre__ : >>Please don't close as FIXED when there's no software fix involved...<< :-> Oct 28 21:29:16 andre__: is WONTFIX appropriate then? ;-P Oct 28 21:29:37 WONTFIX is appropriate when Nokia says that it's a WONTFIX. so far they have not said to me. Oct 28 21:29:47 :-D Oct 28 21:29:58 andre__, boy do I ever. Oct 28 21:29:59 however their usual silence on some reports sucks even more Oct 28 21:30:07 Welcome to 2006. Oct 28 21:30:07 a quite unexpected statement of you anyway Oct 28 21:30:20 DocScrutinizer, hmm? what exactly? Oct 28 21:30:30 the "Don't close..." Oct 28 21:30:49 well. it's simply not FIXED just because there is a workaround. it's fixed when it does not happen anymore. Oct 28 21:30:52 nothing wrong with it, just was puzzled and read it 3 times Oct 28 21:31:15 WTF!! Oct 28 21:31:19 netsplit-day Oct 28 21:31:27 GAN900, hmm? Oct 28 21:31:29 Nokia-N900:/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063# echo 118 > power_level Oct 28 21:31:29 Nokia-N900:/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063# cat power_level Oct 28 21:31:31 118 Oct 28 21:31:34 muhahaha Oct 28 21:31:40 hehe Oct 28 21:31:49 thumbs up, MohammadAG Oct 28 21:31:57 Nokia-N900:/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063# cat power_level Oct 28 21:31:57 120 Oct 28 21:31:57 even better Oct 28 21:32:02 MohammadAG51, ping Oct 28 21:32:16 pong Oct 28 21:32:22 renato: he's here Oct 28 21:32:57 PaulFertser: kudos for spotting this madness (fmtx) Oct 28 21:33:46 MohammadAG, I saw your application VertSMS, btw is a great app Oct 28 21:33:52 MohammadAG: without compiling anything: http://paste.debian.net/98526/ Oct 28 21:34:07 PaulFertser: ?? Oct 28 21:34:12 MohammadAG, but looking in the code I saw you are using QString from PyQt4 Oct 28 21:34:16 copy of pr1.2 *.ko? Oct 28 21:34:26 DocScrutinizer: it's not me spotting, i just looked at the code after someone hinted it might do that. Oct 28 21:34:36 DocScrutinizer: no, plain stock module, just reloaded. Oct 28 21:34:40 do you have any special reason for use that? why not use only PySide? Oct 28 21:35:09 renato, read the description :) Oct 28 21:35:17 ossipenna's the dev, I'm the maintainer Oct 28 21:35:18 PaulFertser: I see Oct 28 21:35:45 Probably need "echo fuck > lock" after that to make the stock firmware unable to downplay the power level back :) Oct 28 21:36:29 MohammadAG, ok sorry, I will ask him later, thanks Oct 28 21:37:41 #define DEFAULT_POWER_LEVEL 88 <-- is this ignored by FMTXD? Oct 28 21:37:45 PaulFertser: wtf is that "0" and crap printing to terminat *on a CAT* Oct 28 21:38:02 err, nevermind Oct 28 21:38:33 * DocScrutinizer hopes for coffe to kick in finally Oct 28 21:38:45 the DEFAULT_POWER_LEVEL... Oct 28 21:38:56 IT'S OVER 80!!! Oct 28 21:39:04 PaulFertser: still there's some weird differences between your first and your 2nd try Oct 28 21:39:57 DocScrutinizer: first try is after a regular boot. I guess some app in the process first sets power level to 118, then locks it. Oct 28 21:40:44 1 118 118 vs 0 0 120 Oct 28 21:41:01 any hint about semantics of that? Oct 28 21:41:28 on/off, actual, limit? Oct 28 21:41:52 hmm Oct 28 21:41:56 DocScrutinizer: lock, power_level before trying to change, power_level after trying to change. Oct 28 21:41:57 how do I force module unloading Oct 28 21:41:58 or locked instead of on/off? Oct 28 21:42:08 hah! Oct 28 21:42:19 modprobe -r Oct 28 21:42:24 MohammadAG: ^^^ Oct 28 21:42:24 it's in use Oct 28 21:42:43 nevermind, it got freed up Oct 28 21:42:45 rhen unload the modules that use it, and close the apps that open it Oct 28 21:42:57 modprobe -rf Oct 28 21:43:09 usually doesn't work afaik Oct 28 21:43:38 just like umount -f Oct 28 21:44:14 umount -l* Oct 28 21:44:34 didn't know that one ;) Oct 28 21:44:38 for modprobe there's not even a -f mentioned in --help Oct 28 21:44:47 "Lazy unmount" Oct 28 21:45:04 rmmod -f / insmod -f Oct 28 21:45:13 DocS: there is on ubuntu Oct 28 21:45:23 man page Oct 28 21:46:42 DrWilken: but -f is just to ignore modversion and vermagic Oct 28 21:47:18 aaah so it probably won't work when unloading anyway Oct 28 21:47:37 modprobe [ -r ] [ -v ] [ -n ] [ -i ] [ modulename ... ] Oct 28 21:53:12 BugBlue: hmm, though modprobe is supposed to be the replacement for rmmod, it seems rmmod has some nice features unsupported by modprobe Oct 28 21:53:16 rmmod -f? Oct 28 21:53:28 just googled it too :D Oct 28 21:53:30 BugBlue: thanks for that Oct 28 21:53:43 hth - hand *gone for now* Oct 28 21:53:55 http://mandrivausers.org/index.php?/topic/8736-is-there-a-way-to-safely-force-a-module-to-unload/ Oct 28 21:54:46 ... to safely force ... Oct 28 21:55:08 -f (or --force) forces a module unload, and may crash your machine. This requires the Forced Module Removal option when the kernel was compiled. Oct 28 21:55:14 "I really want you to unload. But in a safe manner, so don't break anything..." Oct 28 21:55:30 ... pretty please Oct 28 21:57:24 nomis: exactly my thoughts :-D Oct 28 22:23:07 Guys, which rc.d folder is proper one to put in macchanger command? Oct 28 22:26:52 X-Fade, ping Oct 28 22:27:42 pang Oct 28 22:29:47 syn Oct 28 22:33:37 morning Oct 28 22:34:31 Termana: it isn't morning everywhere on this planet Oct 28 22:35:30 should my phone work with no mmc image flashing ? Oct 28 22:35:34 just the fiasco. Oct 28 22:35:48 yes Oct 28 22:37:37 doesn't the new eMMc image fix some gps issues? Oct 28 22:39:22 KaffeeJunky123, you are obviously unfamiliar with proper IRC etiquette. It is always good morning when you enter and always good night when you leave Oct 28 22:39:32 why would the eMMC be related to the GPS... Oct 28 22:41:03 Termana: that's a rather strange etiquette Oct 28 22:41:12 Termana: and probably nothing general Oct 28 22:41:17 we are strange people ;) Oct 28 22:41:29 aka strangers Oct 28 22:42:28 i resent being called strange Oct 28 22:43:24 anybody want to tell me what i'm doing crappily here? Oct 28 22:43:27 http://i.imgur.com/uCmD9.png Oct 28 22:43:56 pupnik: what's that supposed to be =)? Oct 28 22:45:01 playing with low-cost pixel-effects KaffeeJunky123 Oct 28 22:45:04 http://pastebin.com/ar3bJH4C Oct 28 22:45:29 What's it supposed to do? Oct 28 22:45:32 for e.g. how do i subtract a number from an int Oct 28 22:45:32 I see pixels Oct 28 22:45:42 o_O Oct 28 22:45:43 and not allow the value to ebcome negative Oct 28 22:45:50 without an if-then Oct 28 22:45:52 unsigned integer? Oct 28 22:45:54 pupnik: unsigned int Oct 28 22:45:57 if(src[i+odest*4]<3) dst[i+o*4]=0; else dst[i+o*4]=src[i+odest*4]-3 Oct 28 22:46:16 The conditional operator can also be useful. Oct 28 22:46:27 it's C run for your lives! Oct 28 22:46:43 is there something i can mask the negative number with to make it zero iff negative? Oct 28 22:47:06 yes Oct 28 22:47:15 also horrible coding style Oct 28 22:47:16 does that assume dangerous stuff about how signed ints are represented? Oct 28 22:48:05 pupnik: I'd have to look up that one in the standard, but I only have one for C++ Oct 28 22:48:26 uh, an unsigned integer will prevent negative numbers, but that doesn't prevent negative operations on it Oct 28 22:48:27 pupnik: but my crappy book claims it's implementation defined Oct 28 22:51:16 unsigned int foo,bar=3; bar=foo-2*foo; printf("%i",bar); ==> ? Oct 28 22:51:20 pupnik: how about if(x pupnik: foo is undefined Oct 28 22:52:00 foo=bar=3 Oct 28 22:52:25 well, that doesn't assign 3 to foo Oct 28 22:52:39 it does assign an unassigned value to foo Oct 28 22:52:41 but if foo is 3, then bar is -3 Oct 28 22:52:42 fail is fail Oct 28 22:53:11 ieatlint: C does calculate from left to right iirc Oct 28 22:53:19 KaffeeJunky123: no Oct 28 22:53:24 order of operations Oct 28 22:53:35 * is higher than - Oct 28 22:54:03 ieatlint: that's not true... Oct 28 22:54:30 Turski: try it Oct 28 22:56:04 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operators_in_C_and_C%2B%2B#Operator_precedence for the full chart Oct 28 22:56:27 on that chart, multiplication is #5, and subtraction is 6 Oct 28 22:56:53 foo=bar=3 assigns (bar=3) to foo Oct 28 22:57:24 in the evaluation of (bar=3), assigns 3 to bar, and the result of the evaluation is 3 Oct 28 22:58:15 ok, that seems dirty to me, but i stand by my initial comment that foo was undefined when i said it :P Oct 28 23:00:17 no, foo *was* possibly undefined Oct 28 23:00:20 it's now very well defined Oct 28 23:00:21 ieatlint: ok, remembered wrong then :( Oct 28 23:00:38 foo is 3 Oct 28 23:00:42 no worries... i was beaten with a stick over the order of operations Oct 28 23:01:17 actually i have never even used C in pc programming Oct 28 23:01:40 kerio: yes, i was wrong there :) Oct 28 23:01:44 (had to google what was the include for printf -_- ) Oct 28 23:01:52 C is... bad Oct 28 23:01:54 i use C only for AVR and python on PC Oct 28 23:01:56 bad, bad, bad Oct 28 23:01:59 reeeeeeeeeeeally bad Oct 28 23:02:33 kerio: not probably that bad... Oct 28 23:02:39 reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally bad Oct 28 23:02:52 ... Oct 28 23:02:53 kerio: :P Oct 28 23:02:59 java fan? Oct 28 23:03:10 because most people with a vendetta against c seem to be Oct 28 23:03:20 java is much more bad Oct 28 23:03:25 hahaha java Oct 28 23:03:26 are you kidding Oct 28 23:03:37 the flexibility of compiled languages with the speed of interpreted languages Oct 28 23:03:43 all in a generic VM Oct 28 23:03:53 :D Oct 28 23:04:03 and the bloat of openoffice and mozilla, combined Oct 28 23:04:05 java ain't that bad Oct 28 23:04:10 for certain purposes Oct 28 23:04:18 depends Oct 28 23:04:27 ShadowJK: Depends on the implementation as well Oct 28 23:04:30 woo... programming language fight Oct 28 23:04:34 Java doesn't mean its java Oct 28 23:04:36 python obviously wins Oct 28 23:04:40 in fact c++ is the worst of the all. (to chime in) Oct 28 23:04:41 piet Oct 28 23:04:49 SpeedEvil: aww Oct 28 23:04:49 if you're just refering to the programming language with a vm, then it's fine Oct 28 23:04:49 Ï€et Oct 28 23:04:54 but the framework... Oct 28 23:05:00 KaffeeJunky123: a fan of clojure? Oct 28 23:05:14 python/ruby/haskell > else Oct 28 23:05:15 Or Scalaaa. Oct 28 23:05:23 KaffeeJunky123: I mean the language. So many of the java libs are horrible ._. Oct 28 23:05:28 kerio: C++ Oct 28 23:05:36 oh please Oct 28 23:05:36 actually, I revert my opinion. Java really is that bad Oct 28 23:05:43 unless you're a masochist, ofc Oct 28 23:05:52 was about to come up with that Oct 28 23:05:55 C++ is broken Oct 28 23:06:01 kerio: i prefer c :) Oct 28 23:06:06 already typed it in but then I thought, that would probably sound mad Oct 28 23:06:14 but now I might as well do it Oct 28 23:06:16 and it's less that i'm a masochist, and more that i'm just that fucking pedantic Oct 28 23:06:17 I'm a masochist Oct 28 23:06:51 anyone use a bluetooth keyboard here? Why are they so expensive? Oct 28 23:06:54 * nomis vaguely points to http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/ Oct 28 23:06:58 and I'll recurse the templates until the compiler breaks Oct 28 23:07:21 nomis: I was just looking up that Oct 28 23:07:26 internetishard: they aren't. Oct 28 23:07:28 inteallahonsen, law of supply and demand Oct 28 23:07:55 Oracle of course now is in the process of killing Java completely. Oct 28 23:07:58 and iirc, they aren't any more expensive than RF keyboards Oct 28 23:08:09 nomis, don's spread FUD Oct 28 23:08:20 guess who Oct 28 23:08:27 don't* Oct 28 23:08:28 I give you a small hint Oct 28 23:08:39 http://www.google.com/search?q=Nokia+SU-8W+bluetooth+keyboard&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&q=Nokia+SU-8W+bluetooth+keyboard+&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=ebd6de782e46911a Oct 28 23:08:47 internetishard: i have a stowaway/iGo ultraslim bt kbd Oct 28 23:08:49 Steve Oct 28 23:08:52 i'm sure oracle bought sun so they could just kill off java, solaris and mysql... makes sense to me Oct 28 23:08:53 Nokia SU-8W bluetooth keyboard is the one I was checking out I gues Oct 28 23:08:53 tripzero: they are on a very good way towards that. Although they might not intend that actually. Oct 28 23:08:58 B***** Oct 28 23:08:58 currently unused, but always handy when i'm using my laptop as a htpc Oct 28 23:09:11 just looking at it unfold makes me happy :3 Oct 28 23:09:25 i didn't pay it that much Oct 28 23:09:29 internetishard: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.37154 Oct 28 23:10:00 SpeedEvil: that looks awful to type on Oct 28 23:10:01 That think looks terrible Oct 28 23:10:06 lol ^^yes Oct 28 23:10:26 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.27685 Oct 28 23:10:59 the heck Oct 28 23:11:23 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.45604 Oct 28 23:11:42 kerio, how is the iGo? Oct 28 23:11:54 internetishard: not that bad to type on Oct 28 23:11:56 and small Oct 28 23:11:59 DX has lots of random stuff. Oct 28 23:12:02 mad expensive Oct 28 23:12:19 if you're expecting a model M, you're looking at the wrong product Oct 28 23:12:31 yeah yeah Oct 28 23:12:52 I just want something that is light and folding and keys spaced similar to regular - and under $40 Oct 28 23:13:12 And I want a supermodel to cook me breakfast. Oct 28 23:13:24 under $40 Oct 28 23:13:31 hahah, these demands do not seem equally far-fetched Oct 28 23:13:53 I would be very, very surprised if you could get a working, reliable bluetooth folding keyboard at under $80 Oct 28 23:13:55 SpeedEvil: with a bit of money, that's very possible Oct 28 23:14:09 indeed, but like $2000 Oct 28 23:14:44 might as well spend $2000 on one of those "pickup" bootcamps, and learn how to attract women you like... than you get that shit for free as much as you want Oct 28 23:15:12 But I can dig a cellar for lots less than that, and chloroform is not expensive. Oct 28 23:15:26 i want a supermodel to cook me breakfast and buy me cool bluetooth keybaords Oct 28 23:15:47 hahahah^ Oct 28 23:15:49 SpeedEvil: cellars are pretty expensive actually Oct 28 23:16:10 I wonder if the bluetooth ipad keyboard would work.... Oct 28 23:16:16 I could probably find one of those cheap Oct 28 23:16:18 should... Oct 28 23:17:02 Actually Oct 28 23:17:06 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.41964 Oct 28 23:17:19 Foldable - tick - bluetooth - tick - keyboard - tick - under $40 - tick Oct 28 23:17:30 Tack! Oct 28 23:17:35 (tick) Oct 28 23:18:21 Actually - cheaper! Oct 28 23:18:25 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.41942 Oct 28 23:18:42 wonder if it is easy to type on these silicon keyboards at all Oct 28 23:18:48 CUT! Oct 28 23:19:01 is dealextreme.com the store that sells those illegal laser pointers that can set things on fire? Oct 28 23:19:22 illegal in some countries Oct 28 23:19:32 true Oct 28 23:19:42 huh Oct 28 23:19:43 I want one Oct 28 23:19:49 lol, play nice kids Oct 28 23:20:00 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.19531 - for small values of on fire. Oct 28 23:20:08 "Massive" 10-meter range Oct 28 23:20:34 * alterego yawns Oct 28 23:20:48 lol Oct 28 23:21:13 WHAT THE FUCK Oct 28 23:21:27 You can also get gps jammers, cellphone jammers, spy cameras, tools for picking locks, gunmount laser and scope, and other random gear one migght need for personal warfare Oct 28 23:21:37 Now I've seen it all. A web store selling lazers that can set stuff on fire Oct 28 23:21:43 lasers* Oct 28 23:21:45 Though I have a 50mW unitr coming from them to upgrade my laser-level from a 1mW red barely visible to easily visible plane. Oct 28 23:22:08 They also do n900 knockoffs. Oct 28 23:22:10 Oh - also. Oct 28 23:22:14 the spy cameras and lock picks are the only legal ones here i think, hehe Oct 28 23:22:17 Probably illegal to import into Australia. You would get done for importing weaponry. Oct 28 23:22:18 A bluetooth ODBII adaptor. Oct 28 23:22:30 For connecting my n900 to my car Oct 28 23:22:34 yeah, the bt OBDII adapter is awesome Oct 28 23:23:11 So, who wants to help start integrating that laser into the N900? Oct 28 23:23:12 :p Oct 28 23:23:42 termana: they also have tripple flame butane jet torch Oct 28 23:23:43 no one Oct 28 23:23:54 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.42825 Oct 28 23:24:02 - BT car dongle. Oct 28 23:24:08 haha, that page for the laser claims that US citizens are forbidden from purchasing it even outside of the US Oct 28 23:24:20 somehow i doubt that's enforceable Oct 28 23:24:22 flip the lid and you get not one, but 3 flames each hot enough to melt copper. sets your tobacco on fire for sure Oct 28 23:24:50 ieatlint: Well - the US government in general believes strongly in extraterratoriality. Oct 28 23:25:05 In that all citezens of the US are bound by most US laws, even overseas. Oct 28 23:25:08 SpeedEvil: indeed... Oct 28 23:25:17 And sometimes, non-US Oct 28 23:25:44 SpeedEvil, a lot of countries have laws about overseas child exploitation Oct 28 23:25:50 But not fire lasers Oct 28 23:25:52 :p Oct 28 23:26:30 nicer version of the shader http://i.imgur.com/DdXh1.png Oct 28 23:26:43 I wonder if amazon.com still sells Uranium Oct 28 23:27:12 nope Oct 28 23:27:16 aw Oct 28 23:27:19 the US laws on "child exploitation" are so crazy, that if you go from one state with an age of consent at 16 to another state with an age of consent at 16 to have sex, you're committing child trafficking -- even if you're both the same age Oct 28 23:27:21 they switched to plutonium already Oct 28 23:27:57 but i want a laser to set fire to planes damnit Oct 28 23:28:16 I guess that just shows that their radiation meters suck bad now if they're selling plutonium to test them with Oct 28 23:28:31 * SpeedEvil has a radioactive vial next to his genitals. Oct 28 23:28:49 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6830 Oct 28 23:28:54 (well - similar to) Oct 28 23:29:08 * ShadowJK guesses tritium before clicking Oct 28 23:29:24 yes. Oct 28 23:30:07 yeah, so dangerous that the plastic casing shields the radiation Oct 28 23:30:09 Amazon still has Uranium :) Oct 28 23:30:58 "Radioactive minerals are for educational and scientific use only." Oct 28 23:31:08 mandatory disclaimer :) Oct 28 23:31:14 just go buy a pallet of smoke detectors Oct 28 23:31:20 they have more radioactive materials Oct 28 23:32:03 Amazon helpfully also suggests I might want to buy: "The Making of the Atomic Bomb" Oct 28 23:32:48 and dictators for dummys? Oct 28 23:33:27 "Complete idiot's guide for dummies", almost Oct 28 23:34:42 "How to Rule the World: A Handbook for the Aspiring Dictator" Oct 28 23:34:46 excellent Oct 28 23:35:37 no idea whatsoever where to get the sharks from though Oct 28 23:35:42 (for the lasers) Oct 28 23:37:33 we've got them off the coast here Oct 28 23:47:22 Community SSU ready, just need to test it more Oct 28 23:48:42 150mW is poor anyway, but I paid a 10th Oct 28 23:48:47 nevertheless want that 500mW Oct 28 23:49:21 * DocScrutinizer51 scares pub ith 150mW green spot at ceiling Oct 28 23:50:54 yes, we all want the 500mW laser :P Oct 28 23:50:57 huh Oct 28 23:51:17 dug up my scratchbox, wanted to do apt-get update: E: The method driver /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found. Oct 28 23:52:42 oh i give up. I know nothing about anything -.- Oct 28 23:52:50 ignore it Oct 29 00:26:04 hooray hildon-thumbnailer eating my cpu and battery Oct 29 00:26:43 was keen enough to shoot ONE photo :-/ Oct 29 00:39:39 ieatlint: I got 2, might consider pimping up one of them Oct 29 00:40:34 (150mW) Oct 29 00:45:43 damn, Mentalist Traceur - what a cool nick Oct 29 00:46:31 fine for tmo, not IRC compatible Oct 29 00:58:04 * sivang just arrived to find privmsgs in backlog from long ago :/ Oct 29 01:03:15 that's why I don't keep any logs Oct 29 01:16:40 Do any of you use iptables in maemo? Oct 29 01:16:54 Also, why is fennec so so to *start* loading (opera isn't)? Oct 29 01:33:00 Jaffa: The idea first came into existence when I saw some ideas for talks, one of them was "building a healthy community" and it evolved a bit to building a health community *and* project given community is involved. Oct 29 01:34:27 internetishard, i may be wrong but istr iptables need power kernel, which there isnt yet for pr1.3 Oct 29 02:34:17 'Hardware problem with MMC:' -> Failed to mount /home/user/MyDocs partition Oct 29 02:34:34 and my device keeps rebooting after pressing the green tick in a loop, kinda useless device now. Oct 29 02:34:37 what can I do ? Oct 29 02:35:04 ~flashing Oct 29 02:35:05 i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 29 02:35:18 But it is also possible that you have a hardware problem with the mmc Oct 29 02:35:26 which means you need to return it Oct 29 02:36:58 I doubt that. Oct 29 02:37:05 since with other images it just works. Oct 29 02:37:27 Well - you never said that Oct 29 02:37:46 and this problem occured after flashing in image.. Oct 29 02:38:11 I have not flashed any MMC image since that is not available for my device. Oct 29 02:43:21 any idea ? Oct 29 02:44:00 ~flashing Oct 29 02:44:01 hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 29 02:44:32 mmh, I am not sure you know I would not like to use maemo5 Oct 29 02:45:16 sorry, I seem too tired to follow your thoughts Oct 29 02:45:38 seems so Oct 29 02:45:40 DocScrutinizer: dooooooooooooook Oct 29 02:45:49 rastermaaan Oct 29 02:46:13 howdy Oct 29 02:47:43 DocScrutinizer: how goes it over in .de? Oct 29 02:48:17 too cold Oct 29 02:48:28 and that's just starting Oct 29 02:48:39 hmm Oct 29 02:48:40 ugh Oct 29 02:48:41 brb Oct 29 02:50:07 hooray, some smart dude found a harmattan img to flash on his device, "months ago" Oct 29 02:51:18 doesn't that imply he's one of the cracks at Nokia developing that harmattan thing? So why does he ask me about errrr. yeah about what? Oct 29 02:51:53 meh, night peeps Oct 29 02:52:56 any idea ? Oct 29 02:53:41 about broken MMC drivers in harmattan? I doubt anybody does Oct 29 02:54:35 yeah, you know everybody :) Oct 29 02:54:47 just because you do not have the faintest idea :) Oct 29 02:55:01 I know ONE thing, I *don't know* you Oct 29 02:55:39 thaaaaaaaaats better Oct 29 02:55:43 btrfs Oct 29 02:55:51 you can answer on the internal channel as well ofc... Oct 29 02:57:32 god damned... unicode needs 23bits these days Oct 29 02:57:34 thats nuts Oct 29 02:58:09 ooh look Oct 29 02:58:19 they added the japanese keitai mail emoticons to it Oct 29 02:58:31 lol Oct 29 02:58:42 1F308;RAINBOW;So;0;ON;;;;;N;;;;; Oct 29 02:59:03 1F339;ROSE;So;0;ON;;;;;N;;;;; Oct 29 02:59:04 ... Oct 29 02:59:13 1F3E3;JAPANESE POST OFFICE;So;0;ON;;;;;N;;;;; Oct 29 02:59:22 i recognise those emoticons Oct 29 02:59:37 haha Oct 29 02:59:39 * DocScrutinizer ponders about sushi **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 29 02:59:57 2010