**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 03 02:59:57 2010 Nov 03 03:02:31 the debian doc is surprisingly good, i think Nov 03 03:02:35 still some to be desired Nov 03 03:09:58 Do we have a list of -devel packgages that are optified? Nov 03 03:10:03 *packages Nov 03 03:13:14 optified? does that mean installed to /opt? Nov 03 03:13:28 O.o? Yes. Nov 03 03:13:30 hmm, maybe i should redo this package to install to /opt. i didn't think about that Nov 03 03:13:30 yep Nov 03 03:14:09 there. now it's building with /opt Nov 03 03:14:44 i forget why /opt is a big deal (haven't used my n900 or looked at maemo in forever) Nov 03 03:15:36 space. `someone' didnt know they could make /usr a seperate fs... Nov 03 03:15:47 oh Nov 03 03:15:49 haha Nov 03 03:18:09 well, now this package will install to /opt as it should Nov 03 03:18:22 :) Nov 03 03:18:46 * nox- also missed what you are packaging :) Nov 03 03:18:51 squid Nov 03 03:18:54 oh Nov 03 03:18:54 3.1.9 Nov 03 03:19:15 squid on a phone? Nov 03 03:19:18 yeah Nov 03 03:19:22 what for? Nov 03 03:19:31 i'll let you use your imagination, but i'll just call it "personal reasons" Nov 03 03:19:38 hah Nov 03 03:20:46 What's the name of the boot screen app? Nov 03 03:21:14 the shaking hands? thats just some video file Nov 03 03:23:27 ah: from http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools : >>/etc/X11/Xsession.d/10hildon_welcome = shaking-hands-video<< Nov 03 04:00:01 so Nov 03 04:00:07 got the packages for squid built Nov 03 04:01:18 i'll test them out on my maemo device for a bit and see if i have to rebuild the packages Nov 03 04:01:33 then i'll submit them to the maemo repo guys when i'm satisfied it works here Nov 03 04:36:36 Hmm, after reflash, I don't have the flash plugin anymore. =( Nov 03 04:36:55 it always ran so great Nov 03 04:39:28 Hmm, just try a reinstall Nov 03 04:39:34 *I'll Nov 03 04:48:03 let's give a N9 to adam geiss Nov 03 04:50:30 *an Nov 03 04:51:05 ? Nov 03 04:51:20 maaaaaaannnn... squid works fine in the simular Nov 03 04:51:22 simulator Nov 03 04:51:31 segmentation fault on my n900 Nov 03 05:01:26 hmm, i probably did something stupid when building this thing Nov 03 05:33:05 hm... busybox's df command relies on /etc/mtab, right? Nov 03 05:34:47 Problem is, I'm working from a ramdisk with a blank/missing /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab Nov 03 05:36:05 And I'm trying to figure out the amount of space a filesystem has free. Nov 03 05:37:21 RobbieThe1st: not directly related to what you are currently speaking about, when was the last time you tested the SSH functionality of BackupMenu? Nov 03 05:37:44 Um... never. Nov 03 05:38:25 I grabbed that whole chunk of code(all five lines or so) from RescueMenu, but since V2 and I switched to a ramdisk root it hasn't/cant work Nov 03 05:38:45 RobbieThe1st: My setup may be borked, but I can't connect to the device. Nov 03 05:38:52 RobbieThe1st: I also can't ping it. Nov 03 05:39:02 usb networking, you mean? Nov 03 05:39:26 RobbieThe1st: Yes, via USB. Nov 03 05:39:47 RobbieThe1st: I'm sorry about the confusion. Nov 03 05:40:00 Um... I've never actually used it. I -hear- it works, but again, I got that bit of code from the script I based mine on Nov 03 05:40:41 RobbieThe1st: May you have some time to look at it in the near future? Sometimes it's easier to delete an offending file than restore from a backup. Nov 03 05:40:41 All modules and files are there, so it -should- work, but I'd suggest asking on the topic - I'm sure someone else knows Nov 03 05:41:31 I'll do that when I figure it out myself.. I couldn't really figure out the PC-side directions when I last checked them out Nov 03 05:43:23 RobbieThe1st: OK, Rob. Nov 03 05:44:34 I've posted a post about it on my maemo topic; hopefully someone'll come up with a tutorial for us Nov 03 05:48:01 Hopefully Nov 03 05:48:15 RobbieThe1st: Are you referring to the post you sent earlier, or a new one? Nov 03 05:50:02 #176 Nov 03 05:50:19 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=861750&postcount=176 Nov 03 05:53:34 Thanks, RobbieThe1st Nov 03 05:53:57 NP Nov 03 05:54:22 RobbieThe1st: The one that I used before was BootMenu + SSH patch Nov 03 06:03:59 huh Nov 03 06:04:07 I haven't seen it Nov 03 06:06:26 http://metalab.at/wiki/Hack-A-N900/Usb_Recovery_Mode Nov 03 06:07:53 Oh. yea... I think that was what I based mine on Nov 03 06:08:08 6 months and 1600 lines ago Nov 03 06:14:44 Hmm Nov 03 07:32:49 wow Nov 03 07:33:07 they should have made the faster app manager the default in 1.3 Nov 03 07:33:26 it is a shame to see maemo is so awesome but at the end of it line :) Nov 03 07:34:09 especially after google video chatting. there really arent too many phones that can vid chat over skype or gtalk like the n900 can Nov 03 07:39:15 Err, does anybody have the deb for angrybirds? Nov 03 07:39:20 The primary one, that is. Nov 03 07:39:59 Installing from nokia.com times out. =( Nov 03 08:10:15 is there user agent switcher for microb Nov 03 08:10:29 is there a user agent switcher for microb? Nov 03 08:11:54 is there a user agent switcher plugin for microb? Nov 03 08:13:07 Hi, anyone with some time to install/test a package quickly ? :) Nov 03 08:14:55 What? Nov 03 08:18:03 crashanddie: You can always edit it from inside about:config Nov 03 08:18:14 RobbieThe1st, I wasn't the one asking Nov 03 08:18:43 why did you repeat it Nov 03 08:18:50 iluminator101: You can always edit it from inside about:config Nov 03 08:18:59 Yea, I'm wondering that too Nov 03 08:19:08 never 2 without 3? Nov 03 08:19:28 hmm...but i am lazy Nov 03 08:20:18 That's what iDevices are for Nov 03 08:20:34 thats neat thats there I didnt know Nov 03 08:21:03 ham5: Incredibly useful Nov 03 08:21:10 ovi probly hates that tho Nov 03 08:22:10 I hate to interrupt you guys, but does anyone have a .deb of angrybirds? Nov 03 08:22:31 they're available from ovi store Nov 03 08:22:38 you were askin about that earlier wernt you, trying to find another source to download Nov 03 08:22:50 you mean crapple or iSnob Nov 03 08:23:05 ebzzry, there aren't many game developers on Maemo, I'd recommend not kicking them away by indulging in software piracy Nov 03 08:23:37 crashanddie: Hmm, you assumed I was asking for the levelpacks, which I wasn't. Nov 03 08:24:07 actually, I wasn't: The .deb is available through ovi. Just use it. Nov 03 08:24:14 I was looking for the primary angrybirds deb since I timeout from an apt-get/aptitude install Nov 03 08:24:24 Available from Ovi? How? The .deb? Nov 03 08:25:23 yes when you download it, it will fire up HAM, though HAM by default won't save the deb files.. I suppose you could obtain something like dpkg-repack to repack the installed angrybirds Nov 03 08:26:00 and timing out as in not long ago since you last installed something from ovi store within say 5-10 minute timeframe? Nov 03 08:26:12 s/minute/minutes/ Nov 03 08:26:12 psycho_oreos meant: and timing out as in not long ago since you last installed something from ovi store within say 5-10 minutes timeframe? Nov 03 08:26:41 shit def takes way to long, have to let it sit there and do its thing Nov 03 08:27:14 there's a fix for that HAM with Ovi store, MohammadAG has a patch for it.. I might have the link saved somewhere in me bookmarks Nov 03 08:27:54 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=736315&postcount=11 Nov 03 08:28:23 ^ ^ ^ Thread: [Announce] Faster Application Manager (Maemo5) ^ ^ ^ Nov 03 08:30:26 deb 404's Nov 03 08:30:30 really works? Nov 03 08:31:11 looks like he took it off Nov 03 08:31:54 synaptic would be nice Nov 03 08:35:45 http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/debfiles/apt_0.7.20.2maemo13.1_0m5latest_armel.deb <--- looks like his main host, either that his new host Nov 03 08:37:19 psycho_oreos: the trouble is that the download won't finish succesfully. Nov 03 08:37:37 ebzzry, unstable connection? Nov 03 08:38:15 psycho_oreos: I couldn't verify, that's most likely the case. Nov 03 08:38:33 psycho_oreos: stuff coming from repository.maemo.org download fine Nov 03 08:38:55 ebzzry, well I'd try connecting to internet via other forms.. either using 3G or wifi or using USB networking (really dirty hack but works nonetheless) Nov 03 08:39:42 psycho_oreos: but that would no longer achieve the goal of having an offline installer of Angry Birds, right? Nov 03 08:39:51 another way to look at it would be to check to see if there's any posts about ovi store and its connection issues/scheduled or unscheduled maintenance, etc Nov 03 08:40:11 ebzzry, no it doesn't but you still need to download the game first Nov 03 08:41:03 psycho_oreos: Hmm. Is there a way to snag it from Nokia's server in it's .deb form? Nov 03 08:41:07 *its Nov 03 08:41:41 ebzzry, afaik you can officially download it from ovi store, and in order to save the deb packages you'll need to enable red pill mode for HAM Nov 03 08:41:54 that plus adjusting the settings once red pill mode has been activated Nov 03 08:41:58 psycho_oreos: How can I do that? Nov 03 08:42:12 ~redpill Nov 03 08:42:18 !redpill Nov 03 08:42:24 grr Nov 03 08:42:52 lol red pill Nov 03 08:43:00 dont think they call it that anymore oldtimer Nov 03 08:43:48 http://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode <--- enabling red pill and description of what red pill means Nov 03 08:44:14 meh, I'll keep calling it as red pill, keeps curious prying eyes constantly looking :p Nov 03 08:45:06 By the way, is there a command (or set of) to check what is the actual URL of a file that apt-get is fetching? Nov 03 08:45:33 why would you want to do that when you only want an offline copy of the file? Nov 03 08:46:27 To get it, say via wget Nov 03 08:46:44 I timeout midway Nov 03 08:47:51 wget won't necessarily help if the server doesn't support REST mode, I don't know if ovi store's host has that capability or not plus your issue I'm suspecting is happening from your side not from Ovi store Nov 03 08:48:31 my mail for exchange calendar synchronization often fails to sync against google, so that I have to go back and delete recent events until it starts working again. is there any fix for that? Nov 03 08:48:49 yes there's a way to have verbose apt-get output to possibly dump the link, and there's many ways to capture links but I'm getting a little suspicious of your intentions Nov 03 08:50:12 Or, install it, and during install just copy it out of the apt-cache folder... Nov 03 08:51:00 hehe quick hands or knowing the root structure inside out would benefit there Nov 03 08:51:01 /opt/var/cache/apt/archives is the dir in question, BTW Nov 03 08:51:27 Note: find / -name *pattern* is your friend Nov 03 08:51:36 RobbieThe1st: but the installation, as I have said earlier, won't complete. Nov 03 08:51:36 then again, enabling red pill mode won't require quick hands :) even with small files that takes matter of seconds to install Nov 03 08:52:19 Though, what's this about quick hands - My folder has about 6 or so packages in it, from the last couple installs Nov 03 08:52:38 more like find $foo -name "*bar*" -exec cp - ~ ... ;) Nov 03 08:52:41 And it's been like 10 reboots and several days Nov 03 08:53:18 I thought by default installations from ovi store makes HAM auto purge cached deb files Nov 03 08:53:25 It might Nov 03 08:53:34 If it does, that's just plain mean Nov 03 08:53:48 it is also noted on the same wiki link that apt-get clean is the default behaviour of blue pill mode Nov 03 08:54:56 Hm... open terminal, type "cp /opt/var/cache/apt/archives/* /home/user/Mydocs/", start the install and as soon as it downloads, hit enter Nov 03 08:54:57 I'm pretty sure it does.. I have tried copying installed debs from ovi but finding out the cache director is empty, and before I knew there was red pill mode that can be enabled and thus manually I used dpkg-repack to repack installed debs Nov 03 08:55:21 Is there a way to disable that functionality in blue-pill mode, btw? Nov 03 08:55:28 lol... ;) while loop :D Nov 03 08:55:41 no, you'll have to enable red pill mode first Nov 03 08:56:05 or just use something like fapman I suppose.. I dunno if that'll work with ovi however Nov 03 08:56:47 Hmm Nov 03 08:58:25 I found the deb by Googling for the complete deb file name Nov 03 08:59:09 might not even be official ones if they're not from ovi but then again Nov 03 08:59:44 Maybe Nov 03 09:10:01 Now, time to get the checksum of the official deb. =) Nov 03 09:57:26 any of you guys played with espeak? as in, using it in some really wacky scenarios? Nov 03 10:06:03 I'm curious - would it be possible to "hack together" a S/PDIF over copper output using the headphone jack? Either with custom-encoded digital audio getting sent over the left audio channel, or via the third ring connector which generally carries Composite? Nov 03 10:08:50 Hi, I'm helping a friend who has a nokia n900 and is trying to sync that to an ubuntu 9.10 evolution (mostly) for the calendar and adresses functions. He would like to use usb connection for that. We have searched a bit for it and found some solutions but they seem quite advanced.. Are there some simple(r) solutions for such an operation ? Nov 03 10:11:06 What solution did you find? Nov 03 10:11:40 Like most Linux solutions, the best one will probably involve setting up one or more shell-scripts that you then run which do the actual syncing Nov 03 10:15:51 Well. Moo all. Nov 03 10:16:42 Moo yourself Nov 03 10:17:02 does anyone know how you could download those .deb files directory from maemo repository? Nov 03 10:17:12 plain wget gives 403 Nov 03 10:17:42 which maemo repository? Nov 03 10:18:30 for example, https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/002/./mp-fremantle-002-pr_20.2010.36-2.002_all.deb Nov 03 10:18:47 say, i get the url using apt-get --print-uris install Nov 03 10:19:44 RobbieThe1st, we have tried syncevolution Nov 03 10:20:10 don't understand why you want to do that, download deb files Nov 03 10:20:37 RobbieThe1st, which we could not get to work.. syncevolution 0.9 ... Nov 03 10:20:38 it's complicated ;) Nov 03 10:21:05 more like trying to mirror Nov 03 10:26:40 Does someone know how to configure evopedia with a folder that starts with a dot? I want to put my dumps in ~/MyDocs/.evopedia but the in-gui file browser of course hides those files. Where's the config file? It's not ~/.evopediarc apprently. Nov 03 10:26:58 well, i could use --download-only, but i only want the meta package, not all its depenencies... oh well. Nov 03 10:27:06 RobbieThe1st, so are there no GUI that makes it possible to connect n900, open evolution, and a button named 'sync' or the like ... Nov 03 10:31:47 where can i get a changelog on the most recent version of maemo? Nov 03 10:38:24 how do i see gpu usage in top or something similar? Nov 03 10:39:49 pupnik_, you can't Nov 03 10:42:44 crashanddie: maybe i just measure gpu fan speed ;) Nov 03 10:42:57 pupnik_, if you're using cuda, just check gputop Nov 03 10:44:10 http://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/individual/app/intel-gpu-tools-1.0.tar.bz2 Nov 03 10:44:17 will #meego suceed this channel? Nov 03 10:44:31 hopefully not, Sargun_Screen Nov 03 10:45:02 Sargun_Screen, this channel is about #maemo, and as long as the Maemo project exists, I don't see any reason for this to change Nov 03 10:51:07 crashanddie: what is nokia's perspective on maemo? Nov 03 10:51:47 I'm not able to find the mount options in init.d/event.d scripts. I've grepped for everything possible. I could change /etc/default/mount-opts which tweaks the generation of /etc/fstab. Nov 03 10:51:52 you would probably ahve to ask nokia for that Nov 03 10:52:08 but MyDocs still mounts with noexec and fmask=0133 Nov 03 10:52:16 Sargun_Screen, but the general idea is that maemo 6 (harmattan) will be meego compatible, and will be the last version of maemo. Nov 03 10:52:22 Sargun_Screen, in other words: EOL Nov 03 10:52:42 :( Nov 03 10:52:47 goodnight sweet prince Nov 03 11:20:35 i cant ssh to ubuntu, but can from ubuntu, it times out Nov 03 11:21:19 can yiou ping the machine in question juk? Nov 03 11:21:37 obvious questions would be check sshd is actually running and check iptables Nov 03 11:21:55 And have you got the right IP address Nov 03 11:22:08 SpeedEvil: yes Nov 03 11:22:25 can you ssh to it from different machines? Nov 03 11:22:27 nidO: i think i was messing with last Nov 03 11:23:20 SpeedEvil: i can't from n900, guess would be same for all Nov 03 11:23:30 from any machine Nov 03 11:23:50 Well - then it's more a ubuntu question. Nov 03 11:23:57 is sshd running, and ... Nov 03 11:24:09 SpeedEvil: yes, on both Nov 03 11:24:34 are there any logs on syslog Nov 03 11:24:41 what does stracing sshd show Nov 03 11:25:20 Are you attempting to ssh to it from a windows machine? Nov 03 11:25:56 SpeedEvil: only attempts from localhost Nov 03 11:26:12 alterego: no Nov 03 11:26:35 alterego: from n900 to ubuntu Nov 03 11:26:58 Hrm, Nov 03 11:27:26 Oh, restart sshd Nov 03 11:27:41 Are you using wifi or usb for the network? Nov 03 11:27:51 alterego: where? Nov 03 11:28:05 ... Nov 03 11:28:10 Where what? Nov 03 11:28:12 alterego: on n900 or ubuntu Nov 03 11:28:25 On the N900 Nov 03 11:28:37 Ahit, I mean ubunuuntu! :P Nov 03 11:28:41 sshd on your n900 has nothing to do with any of this Nov 03 11:28:58 You're confusing me now. Nov 03 11:29:08 alterego: yeah im too Nov 03 11:30:07 Restart sshd on your ubuntu with: sudo stop ssh; sudo start ssh Nov 03 11:30:22 Then try again Nov 03 11:30:40 is there anything between your PC and your N900 ? like a router or sth ? Nov 03 11:30:44 alterego: i did same time out Nov 03 11:31:13 jacktheripper: yes router Nov 03 11:31:39 Weird, Nov 03 11:32:03 are they both connected to it ? check for any firewalls. Nov 03 11:32:40 I use my N900 to ssh out to a remote server, forward it's sshd port to that server, so I can then log into my N900 from my laptop and tell the N900 to download large files for me. Nov 03 11:32:42 jacktheripper: sure, im on it talking here Nov 03 11:32:58 Works quite nicely ^_^ Nov 03 11:33:53 alterego: you confusing me Nov 03 11:34:01 I remember I had a problem similar, and I also remember I rebooted both sides, including the router. Nov 03 11:34:45 I had a similar problem once, but restarting sshd fixed it. Nov 03 11:34:51 jacktheripper: i can't router is public Nov 03 11:35:09 Rebooting everything is a pretty good starting point though, also, get wireshark out and check the traffic Nov 03 11:35:36 juk, what do you mean public? Internet cafe or BTFON or something? Nov 03 11:38:00 alterego: no, it's shared with buddies around Nov 03 11:38:28 juk, ah, okay. Nov 03 11:38:33 I still dont see you mentioning whether you've actually checked iptables on the ubuntu machine Nov 03 11:38:44 alterego: how is that relevant Nov 03 11:39:06 juk: some BTFON rojuters sandbox each connection so they can't interact Nov 03 11:39:16 nidO: i am Nov 03 11:39:53 alterego: he can connect ubuntu > n900 though so its highly unlikely to be a connection issue, rather than just not running / not configuring sshd / having iptables blocking the connections Nov 03 11:40:22 Oh, okay Nov 03 11:40:36 juk: run: sudo stop ssh Nov 03 11:40:54 the do ps -A | grep ssh Nov 03 11:41:01 show us whats output Nov 03 11:41:54 target prot opt source destination Nov 03 11:41:55 ACCEPT icmp -- anywhere anywhere Nov 03 11:41:55 ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere state RELATED,ESTABLISHED Nov 03 11:41:55 ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere Nov 03 11:42:21 nidO: can you help with that Nov 03 11:43:54 nidO: do you have idea Nov 03 11:44:46 1966 ? 00:00:00 ssh-agent Nov 03 11:44:47 16714 ? 00:00:00 sshd Nov 03 11:44:47 16715 ? 00:00:00 sshd Nov 03 11:44:53 alterego: so? Nov 03 11:45:26 2 sshds ? o.O Nov 03 11:46:03 that suggests you have something connected Nov 03 11:46:17 do ps aux|grep sshd Nov 03 11:46:19 to check that Nov 03 11:46:41 root 16714 0.0 0.0 5632 1008 ? Ss 19:23 0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd Nov 03 11:46:42 root 16715 0.0 0.0 5632 1016 ? Ss 19:23 0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd Nov 03 11:46:42 root 16991 0.0 0.0 4012 756 pts/0 S+ 19:41 0:00 grep --color=auto sshd Nov 03 11:46:53 hm, that is 2 sshd's then. Nov 03 11:46:59 kill them and restart sshd. Nov 03 11:47:01 ~pr1.3 Nov 03 11:47:01 i guess pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update Nov 03 11:49:35 nidO: so now one is runnig Nov 03 11:50:23 juk: you tested again ? Nov 03 11:50:53 jacktheripper: time out Nov 03 11:51:06 did you kill them both and restart sshd or just kill one? Nov 03 11:51:38 nidO: apparently one, since second keeps changing pid so can't kill Nov 03 11:52:15 juk: /etc/init.d/ssh stop Nov 03 11:52:27 juk: and now grep again Nov 03 11:52:36 chem|st: is it supposed to kill daemon? Nov 03 11:52:50 it is supposed to stop it properly yes Nov 03 11:53:11 juk: and dont start it by typing sshd in the shell Nov 03 11:53:15 chem|st: well it's just changes it's pid Nov 03 11:53:30 juk: killall sshd Nov 03 11:53:59 chem|st: nope, im getting angry Nov 03 11:54:07 juk: does ssh work again or still timeout? Nov 03 11:54:22 an sshd process with its' pid constantly changing isnt normal Nov 03 11:54:33 chem|st: still time out Nov 03 11:54:47 ok try killall /usr/sbin/sshd Nov 03 11:55:08 how quickly is the pid changing? Nov 03 11:56:39 is it realy the pid? Nov 03 11:56:54 how much free space is needed for 1.3 OTA upgrade? Nov 03 11:58:03 chem|st: just changes two last digits in second number of output ps aux|grep sshd Nov 03 11:58:17 show us an output again Nov 03 11:58:38 root 17378 0.0 0.0 5632 984 ? Ss 19:51 0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd Nov 03 11:58:39 root 17380 0.0 0.0 4012 756 pts/0 S+ 19:51 0:00 grep --color=auto sshd Nov 03 11:58:54 17378 thath one? Nov 03 11:59:39 how quickly is the pid changing? Nov 03 11:59:47 chem|st: yes Nov 03 12:00:20 nidO: as quickly as i type killall /usr/sbin/sshd Nov 03 12:00:52 nidO: im typing not fast Nov 03 12:02:50 i ask in #ubuntu Nov 03 12:05:54 juk: ehrm ubuntu desktop pc? Nov 03 12:06:05 alright guys Dr_Willis professional killed it Nov 03 12:06:05 juk, maybe I can help? Nov 03 12:06:16 juk: how? Nov 03 12:06:25 chem|st: service ssh stop Nov 03 12:06:28 with a simple /etc/init.d/ssh stop? Nov 03 12:06:32 or that Nov 03 12:06:34 crashanddie: have you tried to turn it off and on again? Nov 03 12:06:46 crashanddie: old, did that already Nov 03 12:06:47 it's irrelevant now Nov 03 12:07:02 now i need to ssh from maemo to ubuntu Nov 03 12:07:14 juk, is ssh running on ubuntu? Nov 03 12:07:14 juk: the ubuntu part was important, didn't get that Nov 03 12:07:49 chem|st: i realize, thank you too Nov 03 12:07:57 Ubuntu = sudo service sshd stop Nov 03 12:08:13 Shadikka: without d normaly Nov 03 12:08:16 Shadikka: it's a bit late Nov 03 12:08:18 whatever. Nov 03 12:08:23 hehe Nov 03 12:08:39 juk, instead of spouting useless things like "it's a bit late", and "it's irrelevant now", how about you explain what the status is Nov 03 12:08:53 our balls ain't made out of crystal, yet you're managing to bust them. Nov 03 12:09:00 crashanddie: he did, it did work with service ssh stop Nov 03 12:09:11 well, that stops ssh? Wth is he trying to achieve? Nov 03 12:09:31 he wants to ssh? I'd say that requires ssh to be running, hence my question: sitrep. Nov 03 12:09:40 crashanddie: he had 2 processes running one he killed and the other was changing pid repeatedly Nov 03 12:09:56 fair enough. Thanks. Nov 03 12:09:57 and ssh gave a timeout Nov 03 12:10:10 so race concurrency for the accept() Nov 03 12:11:20 pigeon, some reports say 85MB, others say 65. Nov 03 12:11:59 crashanddie: thanks Nov 03 12:12:12 i don't see how i could remove that many things from / Nov 03 12:12:35 hello Nov 03 12:12:59 anybody know about the reboot flag in package control data? Nov 03 12:13:40 pigeon, it's definitely somewhere under 70mb Nov 03 12:13:44 doesn't seem to work, i.e. when I put XB-Maemo-Flags: reboot to debian/control, installing the package doesn't reboot the device Nov 03 12:13:56 iv seen mentions from some people managing to install with 55-60mb odd free Nov 03 12:14:36 Seems the browser doesn't suffer as much from history killing auto complete anymore. Nov 03 12:20:34 /home/user/somefile is part of rootfs, right? Nov 03 12:20:56 No Nov 03 12:20:58 emmc Nov 03 12:21:25 ebzzry_: mount.... and see what is where Nov 03 12:21:41 whilst on the subject, cat proc/partitions Nov 03 12:21:49 hrm, stange Nov 03 12:21:53 if i umount one of the items listed there as my 4gb card Nov 03 12:21:57 why does MyDocs unmount Nov 03 12:22:22 lcuk: exact syntax? Nov 03 12:22:23 Heh, because during boot the dev nodes are swapped Nov 03 12:22:25 morning btw \o Nov 03 12:22:29 hold on chem|st Nov 03 12:22:38 bit hard on current network to do both at same time Nov 03 12:22:53 mmcblk0 is emmc mmcblk1 is sd Nov 03 12:23:02 Hey lcuk blk0 is micro sd blk1 is emmc, but during boot the dev nodes get switched Nov 03 12:23:05 ok, "cat /proc/partitions" Nov 03 12:23:22 alterego: for nitdroid Nov 03 12:23:36 this is prep for meego Nov 03 12:23:36 so /proc/partitions shows the kernel view, but the dev nodes are different Nov 03 12:23:44 still in running maemo system though Nov 03 12:23:44 hmm Nov 03 12:23:54 lcuk: exactly Nov 03 12:24:13 yeah its disconcerting Nov 03 12:24:21 ls -l mmcblk0 Nov 03 12:24:22 can i get a list of the real view? Nov 03 12:24:34 that wont work Nov 03 12:24:38 thats the whole drive Nov 03 12:24:41 /dev/mmcblk0 :) Nov 03 12:24:42 ? Nov 03 12:24:49 lcuk: type mount Nov 03 12:25:19 lcuk: confused me too, so I flash meego using usb cable :) Nov 03 12:25:20 lcuk: you can also umount the mountpoint instead of the dev Nov 03 12:26:00 lcuk: see bmo ticket for renaming of partitions during boot Nov 03 12:26:24 I did DocScrutinizer Nov 03 12:26:39 alterego: I'd like to have a none raw system and setup the stuff myself instead of overwritting my sd card... Nov 03 12:26:49 but i was hoping to get some nice list - like /proc/partitions but actually valid Nov 03 12:27:15 alterego: why is it swapped anyway? blk0 and blk1? Nov 03 12:27:30 * MohammadAG51 waves Nov 03 12:27:42 hi MohammadAG51 Nov 03 12:27:52 chem|st, cause the scripts are hardcoded - maybe Nov 03 12:28:40 talking about scripts, anyone need anything? Nov 03 12:28:50 wrong button Nov 03 12:28:56 heh Nov 03 12:29:05 MohammadAG51: I am wondering the same from my desktop as sd[a,b,c,d] are swapped to sd[d,b,a,c] Nov 03 12:29:24 oh, never seen that Nov 03 12:29:33 my numbering scheme is always the same Nov 03 12:30:02 crashanddie: I'd like to activet pulseaudio rtp/multicast reciever and sender functionality without fscking up the whole system Nov 03 12:31:45 chem|st, chroot Nov 03 12:31:50 chroot is the new apple Nov 03 12:31:52 everything is chroot Nov 03 12:33:41 lcuk: cat /proc/partitions | sed 's/blk0/blk1/;t;s/blk1/blk0/;' Nov 03 12:36:51 alterego, is that a fixed specific always expected thing Nov 03 12:37:21 seriously, i saw the proc/partitions lne in instructions for flashing images and it makes me very nervous to know its wrong Nov 03 12:38:42 Yes Nov 03 12:38:48 On the N900 at least Nov 03 12:39:26 Actually, I believe the same is true on N800 they get internal and external switched Nov 03 12:42:27 lcuk: which instructions (link?)= Nov 03 12:43:31 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC#On_the_N900_itself Nov 03 12:49:29 lcuk: thanks edited Nov 03 12:50:04 thanks chem|st :) Nov 03 12:54:14 hmm I rewrite it thats just crap Nov 03 13:02:15 Strange did a google search and google complained I was a robot Nov 03 13:02:27 it happened to me several times Nov 03 13:02:35 though for me, the issue is i'm on a shared IP (NAT'd) Nov 03 13:02:51 alterego, go with the flow. Nov 03 13:03:13 Weird, I'm not Nov 03 13:03:33 I just figured they'd been talking to my gf Nov 03 13:03:40 She says I'm like a robot. Nov 03 13:03:42 lcuk: read again please and tell if it is ok this way Nov 03 13:03:50 I don't even think in a good way ... Nov 03 13:04:31 moo, all Nov 03 13:06:07 RST38h: hey Nov 03 13:06:33 Aloha RST38h Nov 03 13:08:26 why the hell is my current oppinion of PR1.3 just "crap" Nov 03 13:08:49 chem|st: I don't know, why don't you start a tmo thread and tell us :P Nov 03 13:09:12 chem|st: has not delivered most of the improvements people expected Nov 03 13:09:24 Certainly has not delivered stuff the lemmings were waiting for Nov 03 13:09:41 alterego: O_o backup freezes, conversation windows crash with yellow notice and so on Nov 03 13:09:48 i.e. no Meego and no Flash10, so it *must be* crap, right? Nov 03 13:10:15 RST38h: I dont care about flash10 or meego compatibility for now Nov 03 13:10:24 conversation windows no longer crash for me in PR1.3 Nov 03 13:10:34 actually, no flash on meego is the first good news i've heard so far Nov 03 13:10:37 In PR1.2 I could not open any Skype conversation where the last replic was mine Nov 03 13:10:56 crashanddie: right after "no java", I hope :) Nov 03 13:11:12 actually, before java :P Nov 03 13:11:56 I can't say I suffer these issues :/ Nov 03 13:12:50 RST38h: for me they didn't crash before Nov 03 13:14:15 alterego: well my primary use is IM I guess, at least it is the most up front Nov 03 13:14:16 chem|st: I would recreate IM accounts Nov 03 13:14:27 xclean all the data, create from scratcj Nov 03 13:14:40 Is there a way to determine if a package to be installed is optified or not? Nov 03 13:16:25 ebzzry_: if it is in extras Nov 03 13:17:02 RST38h: did that as I installed from scratch Nov 03 13:17:20 chem|st, ok, so that you just said about /dev/mmcblk1 is *ALWAYS* the removable mmc on n900 up until this point Nov 03 13:17:22 well at least the rootfs Nov 03 13:17:31 lcuk: yes Nov 03 13:18:26 lcuk: under maemo, it is. Nov 03 13:18:35 chem|st: really weird then Nov 03 13:18:51 lcuk: if you leave your creepy fingers of repartitioning it is /dev/mmcblk1p1 to umount and mmcblk1 to `dd` Nov 03 13:19:12 RST38h: and it seems to be skype only atm Nov 03 13:19:59 strace is in sdk repo? Nov 03 13:21:18 Is anyone using MGutenberg on N900? Nov 03 13:22:14 has anybody implemented a web service to compile C programs to armel binaries ? :) Nov 03 13:23:37 xkr47: you mean the extras auto builder? :) Nov 03 13:23:54 I don't know :) Nov 03 13:26:36 The search function seems not to be working in MGutenberg. Nov 03 13:28:19 does anyone know where MyDocs is mounted at boot ? (and where I can tweak the mount options ?) Nov 03 13:29:52 jacktheripper: /dev/mmcblk0p1 -> /home/user/MyDocs Nov 03 13:30:10 jacktheripper: which mount options? Nov 03 13:30:24 xkr47: well, you upload a debian like source package and a signature file, and it builds it for various versions of maemo and they x86 sdk equiv Nov 03 13:30:28 default file permissions and the executable bit Nov 03 13:30:36 Can anyone confirm if texlive is optified or not? Nov 03 13:30:59 ebzzry_: I can't believe it isn't Nov 03 13:31:00 I found /etc/default/mount-opts which tweaks the generation of /etc/fstab. But MyDocs still gets mounted with noexec and fmask=0133 Nov 03 13:31:14 alterego, yeah I just found out Nov 03 13:31:32 marmoute: What made you say that? Nov 03 13:31:39 alterego, I just thought of a simpler service to compile a .c file to an elf file Nov 03 13:31:44 jacktheripper: it is vfat and has nothing like permissions but the executable bit can be cahnged I guess Nov 03 13:31:52 I could edit the sources on my phone and instantly get an elf binary to run Nov 03 13:31:58 without needing toolchains Nov 03 13:32:27 jacktheripper: you need to regenerate fstab... Nov 03 13:32:58 chem|st, yes, the entry in fstab is currently fmask=777 and exec Nov 03 13:33:07 xkr47: yeah, well, if it's for small apps either use python or install the toolchain on thye N900 :P Nov 03 13:33:12 but MyDocs still mounts with noexec at boot, so there must be another settings somewhere else Nov 03 13:33:23 why on earth, I want to use C :) Nov 03 13:33:29 but ok thanks it was nice info Nov 03 13:34:42 chem|st, I've grepped for everything relevant in /etc/init.d and /etc/events.d, and yet found nothing Nov 03 13:35:30 jacktheripper: edit by hand, I guess a reboot will write it again Nov 03 13:36:10 chem|st, uh you don't get me, I've actually changed the regeneration of fstab Nov 03 13:36:13 xkr47: sure, but Python is available and easy to do on-device. Nov 03 13:36:28 it regenerates with exec, so on boot without editing by hand it's exec. Nov 03 13:36:44 ah ok Nov 03 13:36:44 xkr47: if you have a server at you disposal writing a simple auto-builder would be quite simple. Nov 03 13:37:02 yeah Nov 03 13:37:09 I actually want to program in Vala Nov 03 13:37:11 Can /usr/lib/microb-engine be safely moved to /opt/usr/lib and have a symlink point to the latter? Nov 03 13:37:17 but that's just a translation away :) Nov 03 13:38:36 Heh, Nov 03 13:39:01 xkr47: so you actually want a vala to c to armel web service :P Nov 03 13:39:22 yes Nov 03 13:39:46 but my friend has osx and we thought maybe a C -> armel would be useful for him too Nov 03 13:40:19 or is it possible to get scratchbox et al to install in osx ? Nov 03 13:41:02 xkr47: Well, you're probably better off with madde Nov 03 13:41:20 you -> he.. :) Nov 03 13:43:06 ok thanks again Nov 03 13:44:09 xkr47: np Nov 03 13:44:42 Madde is a nice self contained cross compilation toolchain that works on the three major platforms, win,osx,linux Nov 03 13:45:05 I've got it installed on a server for me to do something similar to what you require. Nov 03 13:45:07 I hope my friend gets it working :) Nov 03 13:45:15 I don't require, I inquire :) Nov 03 13:45:39 :D Nov 03 13:45:45 Well, have fun. Nov 03 13:45:47 He has had an iphone for several years and got bored, so now he has a n900 :) Nov 03 13:46:18 That's quite cool, iPhones are kinda boring :) Nov 03 13:46:56 quite amazing, I was able to compile my old sdl game from 2004 using scratchbox without touching the source Nov 03 13:47:08 it just worked on the n900 Nov 03 13:47:58 does the default maemo media player offer flac support with libflac8? Nov 03 13:48:27 I just installed the library, but the media player still doesn't playback flac, do I have to do anything else? Nov 03 13:49:22 i just seriously flamed/trolled one of the devs at the office Nov 03 13:49:45 he was doing a select * from table_name; and then parsing the results until he found the right one, rinse and repeat about 200k times. Nov 03 13:49:51 crashanddie: feels good, right? Nov 03 13:50:04 lol @ that Nov 03 13:50:07 WTF? Nov 03 13:50:27 DocScrutinizer: comon practise Nov 03 13:50:31 He dared coming into my office, while I was on the phone, saying "Your pseudo-SQL implementation is way too slow" Nov 03 13:50:35 a lot of 'programmers' do it Nov 03 13:51:09 GOD, THROW DOWN BRAINZ! Nov 03 13:51:12 I showed him the wonders of the where clause, and told him to gtfo. Nov 03 13:51:18 crashanddie; Dev LEAD at my old place did that but if he needed to find files with multiple parameters he would select * then loop through the array gradually trimming away parameter by parameter. Nov 03 13:51:38 the joys of uniface Nov 03 13:51:46 Hi! Is /usr/lib/microb-engine needed during boot time? Nov 03 13:52:15 ebzzry_, yes, or you'll be stuck in a bootloop Nov 03 13:52:17 ebzzry_: I think it's required for browserd yes Nov 03 13:52:41 ebzzry_: is your actual question "Hi I deleted /usr/lib/microb-engine and my device won't boot, what do?" Nov 03 13:52:49 That was close. Nov 03 13:52:52 * GAN900 sighs at dumbassery. Nov 03 13:53:10 the more interesting question being: is it needed *before* /home is mounted? Nov 03 13:53:14 I did that earlier, and I was able to recover fairly quick. Nov 03 13:53:35 I knew that as the years went by, the number of people who have no understanding of programming calling themselves would rise, I just never imagined I'd be the one calling them on it. Nov 03 13:53:48 calling themselves "programmers" Nov 03 13:53:50 So it's like Windows+Ie during the old days, then? Nov 03 13:54:29 crashanddie: managed to wrap my head around FFT now :D Nov 03 13:54:31 crashanddie: what do you expect, most western edjucation systems suck hard... Nov 03 13:54:39 working on an implementation at the moment. Nov 03 13:55:00 alterego: great! another huge pile of useless knowledge :-P Nov 03 13:55:04 crashanddie: and that so called programmer edjucation is a joke in most countrys Nov 03 13:55:20 DocScrutinizer: hardly useless, I want to do signal processing :P Nov 03 13:55:21 the reg had an article about that point a few days ago, that in the uk at least CS grads are coming out with the ability to code java and nothing else, and no proper understanding or real interest in the field Nov 03 13:55:27 alterego: as there's zillions of implementations, even rather nifty ones Nov 03 13:55:43 Hi all, so who wants flash10.1 libflashplayer.so? Nov 03 13:55:46 DocScrutinizer: sure, but I want to learn :P Nov 03 13:55:57 alterego, if you have a decent level in math, and can understand FTT really, really well, there's a lot of money to be made in that domain Nov 03 13:55:59 James_Littler: noone, it's a mess... Nov 03 13:56:07 KaffeeJunky123, welcome to a world of public education. Nov 03 13:56:12 alterego: legit. But mere for fun. Usually you use a FFT algo as a black box Nov 03 13:56:14 seems to work as good as 9.4 Nov 03 13:56:19 crashanddie: indeed :) Nov 03 13:56:42 GAN900: public education can work Nov 03 13:56:44 DocScrutinizer: I know, I've used others, namely fftreal, but I really want to get into the gut math Nov 03 13:56:53 GAN900: some nordic countrys do a pretty good job at it Nov 03 13:56:57 cooolshit man Nov 03 13:57:17 well if anyone wants it, let me know Nov 03 13:57:30 It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. Nov 03 13:57:32 alterego: but, pretty please, don't talk to us about it once you understood :-D Nov 03 13:57:41 tmo wants it Nov 03 13:57:53 http://rapidshare.com/#!download|579|409389186|libflashplayer10_1_53_0.rar|2234 Nov 03 13:57:58 James_Littler: if you packaged it, just submit it to the extras-devel repository, implying you've got a garage Nov 03 13:58:03 enjoy boys and girls Nov 03 13:58:08 DocScrutinizer: :( Nov 03 13:58:11 why? Nov 03 13:58:13 :D Nov 03 13:58:26 it's devastating to general mental health Nov 03 13:58:32 Heh Nov 03 13:58:41 I do but don't particularly want adobe's lawyers bending me over Nov 03 13:58:57 so have the rapidshare link and be greatful Nov 03 13:59:17 I dunno, seems quite simple now, just a composition of about three different math concepts Nov 03 13:59:26 or, like crashanddie said: "too many WTFs and LOLWUTz" Nov 03 14:00:09 James_Littler: does the licence prohibit packagin of the flashlib? Nov 03 14:00:15 even FFT basics are mindboggling Nov 03 14:00:20 KaffeeJunky123, like most ideals, it usually doesn't. :) Nov 03 14:00:21 pexi, quoting Einstein are we? Nov 03 14:00:38 I didnt have a licence...that's the point. Just call me Capn Jack Nov 03 14:00:42 KaffeeJunky123, emphatic declaration of an ideas validity does not make it valid. Nov 03 14:01:04 reports as 10.1.53.0 Nov 03 14:01:23 DocScrutinizer, you're an EE, you probably ate FFT for breakfast while studying filters and shit. Nov 03 14:01:28 crashanddie, yepp Nov 03 14:01:34 GAN900: We've got hard numbers backing up my claims Nov 03 14:01:41 crashanddie: I took the short way Nov 03 14:01:54 KaffeeJunky123, not anywhere in anyplace I live. Nov 03 14:02:19 GAN900: I don't understand what you're trying to say now =) Nov 03 14:02:25 fft is not - mathematically interesting. Nov 03 14:02:30 Private education is significantly more effective, and significantly cheaper, than public education in the US. Nov 03 14:02:32 It's a simple reworking of DFT Nov 03 14:02:35 KaffeeJunky123, if you have hard numbers, show them, or stfu. Nov 03 14:02:38 It's an optimisation problem. Nov 03 14:02:51 GAN900: ah, that's what you're talking about Nov 03 14:02:54 Considering public education was set up as a way to indoctrinate and control people. . . . Nov 03 14:03:06 the fun bit - like always - are the parallels in real physics (as of C, L, R, and tripoles) and mere math Nov 03 14:03:20 GAN900, and provide the industry of the early 19th century with drone people fit to do specific tasks, not think. Nov 03 14:03:25 crashanddie: read the pisa report... Nov 03 14:03:25 GAN900: Was it? Nov 03 14:03:35 GAN900: Any documentary proof of that? Nov 03 14:03:43 though for FFT these are only for what it can do and what it can't, given certain parameters Nov 03 14:03:55 RST38h: it's eod he's a republican Nov 03 14:04:14 RST38h, yes, see the public education movement in the 19th century. Nov 03 14:04:15 KaffeeJunky123, you don't want to go there Nov 03 14:04:15 re all Nov 03 14:04:27 KaffeeJunky123, and thus your irrational bias is revealed. Nov 03 14:04:47 GAN900: I'm a socialist Nov 03 14:04:57 KaffeeJunky123, clearly. Nov 03 14:04:57 crashanddie: for example a have quite some idea WHAT a kalman filter does, but NFC *how* it's done Nov 03 14:04:59 RST38h, when did the public school start? Right around the technical revolution, early 19th century. Classes are ordered around what the industry needed, a real hierarchy: math, sciences, human sciences, social sciences, art. Nov 03 14:05:15 DocScrutinizer, well, as an engineer, that's pretty much all you need. Nov 03 14:05:22 exactly Nov 03 14:05:29 GAN900: I want the government to brainwash you into helping to build the class less socity ;) Nov 03 14:05:35 GAN900: just kidding Nov 03 14:05:52 pisa maths and finland's public education Nov 03 14:05:59 GAN900: it's just that your opion of the schooling system and mine are too far apart of each other to start a proper discussion Nov 03 14:06:01 KaffeeJunky123, class warfare is just another way of controlling people. Nov 03 14:06:21 pexi, pisa math? Because they're slowly toppling over and bound to crumble? Nov 03 14:06:22 KaffeeJunky123, your definition of ethics isn't compatible with mine. :) Nov 03 14:06:25 Is /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10 critical to the boot process? Nov 03 14:06:36 GAN900: You don't know my ethics yet =) Nov 03 14:07:01 GAN900: but your claim somewhat backsup my previous claim that you're a republican Nov 03 14:07:04 KaffeeJunky123, you just said you're a socialist. Nov 03 14:07:12 and I said I was just kidding Nov 03 14:07:14 KaffeeJunky123, I'm not, actually. Nov 03 14:07:27 for europeen standards Nov 03 14:07:28 you are Nov 03 14:07:31 yeah I'm sure private and religious education for rich people are far cheaper and far less endoctrinative than public one. Nov 03 14:07:32 KaffeeJunky123, GAN900 is most definitely not a republican. Nov 03 14:07:33 GAN900: So, no documentary evidence, in the shape of some more/less credible URLs? Nov 03 14:07:42 RST38h, hang on Nov 03 14:07:52 we're slightly less fearing a too strong state Nov 03 14:08:01 crashanddie: That makes GAN libertarian which is even worse Nov 03 14:08:21 * RST38h laughs eville Nov 03 14:08:23 evilly Nov 03 14:08:24 KaffeeJunky123, and I doubt that your 5 minute analysis of GAN allows you to make such spurious assumptions. May I suggest you drop the topic about what wing GAN is? Nov 03 14:08:44 RST38h, http://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_says_schools_kill_creativity.html http://www.ted.com/talks/sir_ken_robinson_bring_on_the_revolution.html Nov 03 14:08:54 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_Student_Assessment Nov 03 14:08:56 nice results Nov 03 14:08:58 :> Nov 03 14:08:59 watch in that order, RST38h Nov 03 14:09:05 Is it not possible to turn a PDF file? Nov 03 14:09:14 On N900 Nov 03 14:09:31 I'm tempted to say "Turn the n900 sideways" Nov 03 14:09:33 Zwi: turn? Nov 03 14:09:44 chem|st, rotate Nov 03 14:09:45 darn, this channel seems rather trigger-happy to politics "trolling" recently Nov 03 14:09:51 crashanddie: I'm just kidding, anyways I don't share his point of view with private education being supiror to public education, since there's always the problem of access to education in private education systems. Nov 03 14:10:21 KaffeeJunky123, sure, but this channel is hardly the place for those discussions... ##politics maybe? Nov 03 14:10:52 crashanddie: I do belive that public education is important to give as much as possible people access to education, however I'm not against private education in general. Nov 03 14:11:17 Don't make me ask you to drop the topic 3 times in a row. Nov 03 14:11:17 crashanddie: maybe ^^ Nov 03 14:11:28 Turning the N900 sadly doesn,t help :) The file is wery wide and not that long. Nov 03 14:11:33 its quite narrow approach to look education only from the public/non-public perspective Nov 03 14:11:59 and im dropping this now :) Nov 03 14:12:02 pexi: ! Nov 03 14:12:15 pdf reader is broken too! Nov 03 14:12:16 pexi: you won't get away this easiely Nov 03 14:12:29 pexi: join ##politics and let's discuss this matter Nov 03 14:12:36 yes!! Nov 03 14:12:37 RST38h, I'm trying to find a good source on that one. Nov 03 14:12:39 the >< go missing in FSmode if you tabbed the screen once Nov 03 14:12:43 sorry, im bit too old for that :) Nov 03 14:13:17 GAN900: My guess is that yes, it started as professional education, but no, it has never been INTENDED as a too of indoctrination Nov 03 14:13:29 also beware, Doc is still in a grumpy mood Nov 03 14:13:35 Zwi: wide and long is just what you need landscape for so why you want to turn? Nov 03 14:13:37 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Flight_Information Nov 03 14:13:42 GAN900: Besides, it is probably different depending on what country you are in Nov 03 14:13:44 Conference people ^ Nov 03 14:13:58 GAN900, you going? Nov 03 14:14:51 Zwi: xjournal has more functions than you need I guess Nov 03 14:17:08 The problem is that if I turn N900 the sides of the paper are still cut out. So I need to scrool every line. Nov 03 14:17:27 BLAH Nov 03 14:18:10 It is not a big problem but it is uncomfortable. Nov 03 14:18:18 GAN900: isn't it enough that intelligence knows about your flight details? Nov 03 14:18:37 chem|st: netsplit, he's gone Nov 03 14:18:52 DocScrutinizer: ty Nov 03 14:19:10 chem|st: it provides certain confidence that they will not use the anal probe, once they really need those details Nov 03 14:19:25 So, yes, it is a good thing! Nov 03 14:20:29 RST38h: facebook-believe "you got no need for privacy nowadays" gets people in serious trouble Nov 03 14:20:57 chem|st: Then do not get a facebook account. Why would you need one, anyway? Nov 03 14:23:00 RST38h: it is not about facebook... people like to post twitter anything of their lifes to the net for any reason and look screwed after some russian-belarus network used their identity to buy sportcars and jewelery Nov 03 14:23:57 chem|st: Ok. Why would you want to have a twitter account then? Nov 03 14:24:23 You want everyone to know when you are taking a shit, with photos? Nov 03 14:24:24 I deleted my twitter account after some agb changes... Nov 03 14:24:27 nevermind.... if they like to... .oO(I should change my businessplan to identity theft) Nov 03 14:24:47 refering my email account to my twitter account in public isn't something I want Nov 03 14:24:50 It all comes down to your personal choice Nov 03 14:26:43 RST38h, twitter allows photos now? Nov 03 14:27:15 * lcuk sets up his toilet to auto upload on flush Nov 03 14:27:51 RST38h: well, it's just most people don't want to get an email from guys how follow them on twitter Nov 03 14:28:03 and also one thing why I quit twitter Nov 03 14:28:09 suddenly people started following me! Nov 03 14:29:16 KaffeeJunky123, shocking Nov 03 14:29:53 lcuk: well I guess that's what I got for posting some #911txts from wikileaks that I found to be funny Nov 03 14:34:06 KaffeeJunky123: no, what you really got from that will show eventually when you learn about bureaucracy Nov 03 14:35:14 "Duh, what noflight list? WTF, do I look like a taliban?!?" - "Sorry, Sir, please leave the airport! NOW!" Nov 03 14:36:10 Actually, if I'd ever fly to the usa I'll definitly grow a taliban beard before doing so :) Nov 03 14:38:45 WB everybody :-D Nov 03 14:38:56 hey! Nov 03 14:39:22 GAN900: took a offtime? :-D Nov 03 14:39:31 ~botsnack Nov 03 14:39:50 hahaaa! Nov 03 14:39:50 infobot: bark Nov 03 14:40:18 hmm, she's busy with recovering from the shock Nov 03 14:40:28 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=807108&postcount=48 Nov 03 14:40:42 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot Nov 03 14:40:52 atlast! Nov 03 14:41:20 Shit netsplit? Nov 03 14:41:25 yoh Nov 03 14:41:30 * GAN900 has hidden join/parts. Nov 03 14:41:41 34 went Nov 03 14:41:50 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_2010/Flight_Information <- fill in your info. Nov 03 14:42:01 DocScrutinizer: aw, gee Nov 03 14:42:01 * infobot barks, like a rabid dog. Nov 03 14:42:07 hahaha Nov 03 15:06:13 My new conversations are not logged, why do you think it happens? Nov 03 15:10:14 It doesn't reflect in el-v1.db, too. Nov 03 15:11:06 ebzzry_: they're logged Nov 03 15:11:21 ebzzry_: ask the NSA for them, they might hand em over Nov 03 15:11:55 I don't know what you smoked, what you could be nicer. Nov 03 15:12:06 s/what/but/ Nov 03 15:12:07 ebzzry_ meant: I don't know but you smoked, what you could be nicer. Nov 03 15:12:19 nah Nov 03 15:12:32 2nd what. jesus. Nov 03 15:19:40 Is it possible that logging can be turned off? Nov 03 15:19:53 Say, by an app? Nov 03 15:20:07 What logging? Nov 03 15:20:36 Hrm, Nov 03 15:21:03 Suddenly, my conversations are not logged. Nov 03 15:21:09 ebzzry_: i think i've seen a bug report about that Nov 03 15:21:11 interwesting Nov 03 15:21:30 When I run the conversations app, my new chats don't appear. Nov 03 15:22:25 In some instances, a contact chat window doesn't show the previous messages. Nov 03 15:22:47 Just a blank one. Nov 03 15:24:24 Another interesting thing is that microb has stopped working - it won't run. Nov 03 15:29:30 kind of strange that the predictive text features don't apply to the virtual keyboard, isn't it? Nov 03 15:30:37 ebzzry_: my last skype conversation shows as user "-" Nov 03 15:34:08 could anyone who still is running PR 1.2 do me a favour and give the output of "gst-inspect dspmp4venc | grep Version"? Nov 03 15:35:35 gst-inspect: not found Nov 03 15:35:48 you're welcome Nov 03 15:36:05 thanks ;P does gst-inspect-0.10 work better? Nov 03 15:36:37 wbs: gst-inspect0.10 actually ;) Nov 03 15:36:44 You need to apt-get install gstreamer-tools Nov 03 15:39:56 nope Nov 03 15:53:35 marmoute: ok, could you extract the /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstdsp.so instead, and send it somewhere? Nov 03 15:55:37 johnsu01, Nokia does everything they can to cripple the virtual input with each new release. Nov 03 16:00:20 Does glibc defer `delete`? I can't understand why I'm getting a freakin' memory leak from my code :/ Nov 03 16:02:08 alterego, show code Nov 03 16:04:55 crashanddie: p Nov 03 16:05:00 http://pastie.org/1269730 Nov 03 16:05:02 whoops :) Nov 03 16:07:20 crashanddie: I also allocate arrays on m_W[n] obviously :) Nov 03 16:08:04 I see no leak in the code you posted Nov 03 16:08:08 but you have more code, apparently Nov 03 16:08:59 delete [] m_W[i]; doesn't make any sense in that loop there Nov 03 16:09:08 KaffeeJunky123: why not? Nov 03 16:09:08 atleast not with the code you've provided Nov 03 16:09:41 KaffeeJunky123: yeah, I'm missing the bit where I alloc arrays into each index of m_W; Nov 03 16:10:01 That's why the it's in the dtor Nov 03 16:10:08 also Nov 03 16:10:16 without the Complex class, I can't say a thing Nov 03 16:10:28 create a testcase that recreates your exact issue Nov 03 16:10:38 Complex is: typedef std::complex Complex Nov 03 16:13:22 hm Nov 03 16:13:37 * alterego whips out valgrind Nov 03 16:13:42 Guess I should get to know this .. Nov 03 16:13:48 you're creating an array with the size m_LogPoints +1 Nov 03 16:14:10 for(int i = 1; i < m_LogPoints; i++) <-- that loop won't reach the last element Nov 03 16:14:51 it will Nov 03 16:15:01 Sorry, changed to <= ;) Nov 03 16:15:04 NO Nov 03 16:15:13 hm you're right Nov 03 16:15:17 int array[5]; Nov 03 16:15:17 * alterego has another go. Nov 03 16:15:36 array[5]=1234; == segfault Nov 03 16:15:37 m_LogPoints+1 is the size of the array <_< Nov 03 16:15:50 ;) Nov 03 16:15:54 arrays start from 0 Nov 03 16:15:58 you are starting from 17 Nov 03 16:16:01 1* Nov 03 16:16:07 that's a first problem Nov 03 16:16:20 jacekowski: intentional, my algorithm requires it, 0 isn't allocated. Nov 03 16:16:54 so what is the problem anyways? Nov 03 16:17:20 Ah, seemed to have fixed it :) Nov 03 16:17:41 KaffeeJunky123: you were right about the i < x; bit, changed to <= Nov 03 16:17:48 Any network experts out there? My n900 refuses to resolve dns when connected to wifi ... I have pr1.3 installed and know that it works for some people Nov 03 16:18:15 alterego: maybe, I'm not sure about anything anymore Nov 03 16:18:21 Hahah Nov 03 16:18:24 0+1=2? Nov 03 16:18:31 ;) Nov 03 16:18:40 jacekowski broke my math just now Nov 03 16:18:50 so i'll settle down, and concentrate Nov 03 16:19:10 bzzz I was right jacekowski was wrong Nov 03 16:19:14 -.-' Nov 03 16:19:17 got trolled Nov 03 16:20:25 Now to test my code works ^.^ Nov 03 16:21:14 jacekowski: assume you've got an int array[6]; for(i=0;i<5;i++){dosomething with array[i];} will never reach the last element Nov 03 16:21:44 jacekowski: because after i=4 the loop will end, so please don't mess up my basic maths again Nov 03 16:22:24 Heh Nov 03 16:27:12 * slonopotamus tries to choose between unlimited 3g @128kbps for $7/mo and @512kbps for $26/mo and fails Nov 03 16:27:36 lol Nov 03 16:28:53 it's almost linear price growth, so the question is if i really need 512kbps Nov 03 16:28:53 should I update firmware to 1.3 if I have UK model? Nov 03 16:29:09 slonopotamus: can you even reach 512kbps? Nov 03 16:29:29 kerio: dunno. they offer up to 4Mbps Nov 03 16:29:40 yeah, right Nov 03 16:30:31 i guess you can, with hsdpa Nov 03 16:31:05 totally depends on your provider Nov 03 16:31:18 eplus in germany doesn't have hsdpa at all Nov 03 16:31:23 expect for some test villages Nov 03 16:31:25 or something like that Nov 03 16:31:39 well, coverage ranges from edge, then umts and to full hsdpa here Nov 03 16:32:11 according to wikipedia, Current HSDPA deployments support down-link speeds of 1.8, 3.6, 7.2 and 14.0 Mbit/s. Nov 03 16:32:36 oh, i lied, my operator offers up to 7mbps Nov 03 16:32:38 slonopotamus: doesn't mean anything if your provider doesn't support hsdpa Nov 03 16:33:19 KaffeeJunky123: if it didn't, it couldn't offer 7mbps :) and it does, i see 3.5G on n900 in some places Nov 03 16:33:50 slonopotamus: they're writing "up to 7mbps" into their contract Nov 03 16:33:57 slonopotamus: that doesn't mean they've to supply it irl Nov 03 16:34:05 nice that they call it 3g and offer 128kbps though, thats slower than EDGE Nov 03 16:34:29 nidO: actually 128kbps is about as fast as EDGE can get ^^ Nov 03 16:34:37 Are Maemo Extras and Extras-Devel catalogs offline? Nov 03 16:34:42 maybe a little more Nov 03 16:34:42 edge runs upto 384kbps Nov 03 16:34:45 yeah, I've seen 140 kilobits/s of TCP thruput on EDGE. Nov 03 16:34:55 nidO: they call it "unlimited wireless internet" Nov 03 16:34:55 * MohammadAG51 got 7.2MBps in Jordan Nov 03 16:34:56 nidO: that's umts already Nov 03 16:35:26 alterego, sorry, was on the phone, still need help? Nov 03 16:35:38 nidO: also you probably mean kbit Nov 03 16:35:44 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_Data_Rates_for_GSM_Evolution , edge seems to go up to 1 meg Nov 03 16:35:48 thats what i said. and so did slonopotamus Nov 03 16:36:06 "EDGE can carry a bandwidth up to 236.8 kbit/s (with end-to-end latency of less than 150 ms) for 4 timeslots (theoretical maximum is 473.6 kbit/s for 8 timeslots) in packet mode." Nov 03 16:36:08 nidO: the point is that they have mixed edge/umts/hsdpa coverage and explicitely limit bandwidth to contract you chose Nov 03 16:36:30 SwedeMike: put they don't give you 4 timeslots normally Nov 03 16:36:51 whatever, do i need 512kbps or not? :) Nov 03 16:36:57 * wmarone enjoys his 2.5G data connection -_- Nov 03 16:36:58 KaffeeJunky123: yeah, so the edge networks I've seen so far has gone up to approx 140 kilobit/s of tcp thruput Nov 03 16:37:01 I can get 10gb unlimtied rates for 15€ a month here Nov 03 16:37:14 after the 10gb I'll get 64k speed though... Nov 03 16:37:30 10G 3G? Nov 03 16:37:41 SpeedEvil, no, new iPhone 10G Nov 03 16:37:57 it incorporates 3.33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 3G chips. Nov 03 16:37:58 SpeedEvil: he meant amount of download Nov 03 16:38:00 think hes referring to monthly transfer though, not speed. Nov 03 16:38:05 quite. Nov 03 16:38:18 * SpeedEvil is stil moderately happy with 1Gbyte/mo for 5 dollars US. Nov 03 16:38:41 (20 UK pounds for 6mo) Nov 03 16:38:41 * crashanddie is still happy for 100% unmetered and unlimited data transfer Nov 03 16:38:44 UK providers have been heavily cutting back on the traffic they allow, it's pitifully shit now :< Nov 03 16:39:02 nidO: t-mobile pay-as-you-go with 6mo internet booster Nov 03 16:39:10 crashanddie: that costs $50/mo here :) Nov 03 16:39:25 slonopotamus, 30eur here, so pretty much the same Nov 03 16:39:48 meh, stop using euros in international talks :P Nov 03 16:40:11 let's make an internet currently Nov 03 16:40:34 currency even Nov 03 16:40:41 omfg Nov 03 16:40:44 I just realised something Nov 03 16:40:44 sorry to repeat my question but I ran out of ideas: Please HELP! Any ideas why the n900 can't resolve dns when connected to wifi? Nov 03 16:40:48 swatch made an internet time uint (@s), it failed, but meh Nov 03 16:41:01 fcrochik, manual dns? Nov 03 16:41:03 crashanddie: that's okay, it happens from time to time with everyone Nov 03 16:41:06 I would like to purchase this fine package for 2 bits Nov 03 16:41:07 fcrochik: what diagnosis have you done? looked at resolv.conf ? tcpdump? Nov 03 16:41:09 particularly, 8.8.8.8 Nov 03 16:41:21 MohammadAG, YOU'RE MOHAMMAD OF JORDAN FTW http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Prince-Ghazi-23-12-03.jpg/210px-Prince-Ghazi-23-12-03.jpg Nov 03 16:41:23 fcrochik: have you setup your DNS servers explicitly? Nov 03 16:41:31 i prefer 8.8.4.4 Nov 03 16:41:42 I prefer 1.2.4.8 Nov 03 16:41:47 MohammadAG51, SwedeMike: it is getting the dns from the router...I see it on resolv.conf Nov 03 16:41:56 208.67.222.222 fo lyfe Nov 03 16:42:02 :D Nov 03 16:42:14 crashanddie, why Nov 03 16:42:17 crashanddie, that's not a public DNS server Nov 03 16:42:18 what's that* Nov 03 16:42:22 MohammadAG, you're in jordan? Nov 03 16:42:26 fcrochik: can you ping the DNS? Nov 03 16:42:27 fucking enter key on the N900 Nov 03 16:42:35 keeps getting smaller :p Nov 03 16:42:43 MohammadAG, and your name is mohammad? Nov 03 16:43:02 and last name is AG, ahha Nov 03 16:43:14 crashanddie, no, I live in IL Nov 03 16:43:16 so 51 must be the age? Nov 03 16:43:18 or PS, indifferent Nov 03 16:43:33 you bastard Nov 03 16:43:33 RX-51 :P Nov 03 16:43:39 we could've made a celebrity off you Nov 03 16:43:39 * mgedmin wonders how it feels to live in PostScript... does everyone talk backwards? Nov 03 16:43:59 crashanddie, I own Rapidshare AG :P Nov 03 16:44:13 mgedmin, well, they do write from right to left, does that count as backwards? Nov 03 16:44:33 actually they write left to right Nov 03 16:44:39 SpeedEvil, no.. I get network unreachable Nov 03 16:44:41 i wish i was still 15 Nov 03 16:44:41 hmm, indeed Nov 03 16:44:43 they just push operation after the data Nov 03 16:44:58 FILO Nov 03 16:45:06 i.e. mgedmin fork stick Nov 03 16:45:41 crashanddie: LIFO, you wanted to say? Nov 03 16:46:05 So when they get a "NO PARTS" email from dell, they read "STRAP ON" Nov 03 16:46:14 I understand why they hate the western world. Nov 03 16:46:27 :D Nov 03 16:47:01 slonopotamus, at some point in life, you'll notice that LIFO and FILO are exactly the same. Nov 03 16:47:17 you get screwed, either way. Nov 03 16:47:35 in fact you get screwed even when you are not playing the game Nov 03 16:47:44 w00t, my fft implementation works :D Nov 03 16:48:15 SpeedEvil, I tried to manually add the dns and still the same...I added 8.8.8.8 and still can't ping it Nov 03 16:48:35 you don't need to add 8.8.8.8 as a dns server in order to ping the IP... Nov 03 16:48:47 * slonopotamus yawns Nov 03 16:48:58 crashanddie: It works :D Nov 03 16:49:09 congrats :) Nov 03 16:49:14 now make it fast Nov 03 16:49:30 no Nov 03 16:49:36 now make it work right Nov 03 16:49:41 and only then fast Nov 03 16:49:42 Well, I'm first going to see how it performs against the big boys ;) Nov 03 16:49:46 after all... [puts sunglasses on] It's called "Fast" Fourrier Transforms... [yyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh] Nov 03 16:51:01 Fast and furrier transforms Nov 03 16:51:24 SpeedEvil, I don't know if helps but I tried "udhcpc -i wlan0" and I get an error "/etc/udhcpc/default.zerconf.dhcpc: not found" Nov 03 16:51:42 Actually, I want to port it to C first. Nov 03 16:51:48 I want to compile it for DSP ... Nov 03 16:52:00 And I want an OpenCL implementation :x Nov 03 16:52:14 fcrochik: sorry - no real idea Nov 03 16:52:27 alterego: and what is it written in now? python? :P Nov 03 16:52:32 C++ Nov 03 16:52:34 SpeedEvil, thanks anyway... this is driving me crazy Nov 03 16:52:48 Using QVector from Qt for inbut buffer. Nov 03 16:52:53 That's easy to change. Nov 03 16:53:06 alterego <-- the true programmer! Nov 03 16:53:26 alterego: Of course, the real hardcore guy would never use Qt data structures :) Nov 03 16:54:08 RST38h: well it's because I plan to use it with QtMultimedia for spectral analysis. But, I want the implementation to be plain C and I'll just wrap a Qt class around it. Nov 03 16:54:16 Ah Nov 03 16:54:20 That way I can port the code to DSP, OpenCL etc. Nov 03 16:54:26 I installed Extras-Devel from http://repository.maemo.org/ but it's not working. Is it offline? Nov 03 16:54:33 Easier, but still use it for my target app which is Qt based. Nov 03 16:54:38 not port, but implement for, I guess Nov 03 16:55:14 * RST38h fruitlessly searches for Qt vs STL data structure performance comparison: that should be a real fun to watch Nov 03 16:56:55 * tybollt hands RST38h an apple Nov 03 16:57:15 ~maemosdk Nov 03 16:57:16 methinks maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation Nov 03 17:04:40 RST38h, somehow, methinks the STL might have an edge Nov 03 17:06:30 crashanddie, it all depends on how you define your performance function Nov 03 17:06:39 I suspect Nov 03 17:07:25 STL ought to have insanely fast runtime, if you've had insanely good programmers implementing it, and very good ones using it Nov 03 17:07:34 compilation time ... not so much Nov 03 17:08:01 yes, but compilation is less of a burden Nov 03 17:08:34 fast iterations are useful for incremental improvement Nov 03 17:08:42 indeed Nov 03 17:08:45 listen to old lispers sing praises to REPL Nov 03 17:08:53 mmm Nov 03 17:08:56 * alterego grins Nov 03 17:08:56 I hate how zope 3 takes several seconds to start up Nov 03 17:08:58 but True Coders (tm) only write code iterations of 500 lines. Nov 03 17:08:58 git://gitorious.org/qt-labs/gimp-qmlexporter.git Nov 03 17:08:59 or restart Nov 03 17:09:02 * tripzero touches self Nov 03 17:09:11 eew, not in public Nov 03 17:09:38 does anyone know how MyDocs is mounted at boot ? Nov 03 17:11:43 mgedmin: STL has got a huge catch that some people do not understand Nov 03 17:12:13 mgedmin: It's data structures are based on dynamic memory allocation, i.e. they suck at performance when used by an average programmer Nov 03 17:12:15 jacktheripper, probably using mount? Nov 03 17:12:18 mgedmin: Nov 03 17:12:20 Its** Nov 03 17:12:45 RST38h: well allocating memory every two lines of code will suck regardless Nov 03 17:12:47 The official response from STL adepts is "But you have to implement your own memory allocation" Nov 03 17:13:05 crashanddie, I mean what script does it. Nov 03 17:13:09 syscall and stuff Nov 03 17:13:14 rcS-late Nov 03 17:13:20 jacekowski: Yes, but when you implement your own data structures, you usually try avoiding it Nov 03 17:13:34 With STL you cannot. Nov 03 17:14:06 you can try to allocate everything at once Nov 03 17:14:23 there are other methods Nov 03 17:14:23 which was the way to go in C89 Nov 03 17:15:01 basically when you know how your data behaves, you can choose the right approach Nov 03 17:15:01 MohammadAG, if you are talking about the genfstab part, I've tweaked /etc/default/mount-opts, and it still boots with default options but with a changed /etc/fstab. Nov 03 17:15:33 unfortunately, STL makes you bend head over heels to do the same Nov 03 17:15:42 jacktheripper, find /etc -name rcS-late Nov 03 17:16:25 /etc/event.d/rcS-late Nov 03 17:17:04 yes, /etc/event.d/rcS-late. I want to change the mount options, so I found a mention of /etc/default/mount-opts. Changed the options and after rebooting fstab is actually different, but the mounting hasn't changed. Nov 03 17:17:48 I mean I have to remount MyDocs each time I boot, so that it mounts with the options in fstab, not the default options. Nov 03 17:25:27 * RST38h wonders what mischief he should do tonight Nov 03 17:33:11 RST38h, The same thing we do every night, Pinky -- try to take over the world! Nov 03 17:33:38 By the way, YESSSS Nov 03 17:40:53 found it! /usr/sbin/mmc-mount Nov 03 17:57:44 hi, is there a way to cleanup rootfs so OTA update will work ? Nov 03 17:58:02 how much space dyou have Nov 03 17:58:20 80 MB Nov 03 17:58:31 thats more than plenty Nov 03 17:58:33 and package is sth about 90 MB Nov 03 17:59:09 should be enough Nov 03 17:59:13 if the ota upgrade doesnt work, its because you have an incompatible package. its probably libgles1 used by at least one game you have installed Nov 03 17:59:18 move your apt cache away Nov 03 17:59:21 check details in the upgrade Nov 03 17:59:29 then remove the offending package Nov 03 17:59:34 then youll be able to upgrade Nov 03 17:59:49 or use fapman, which can handle the upgrade regardless of the incompatible packages Nov 03 18:00:50 ok, will try that Nov 03 18:09:15 I used to run kernel-power from extras-testing with PR1.2 for IPv6 support is it still working on PR1.3 or should I run another kernel-power kernel? Nov 03 18:14:51 Where can I get a cross compiler for the dsp in the N900? Nov 03 18:23:02 is there a way for backing up the n900 over usb like the dd command? i really need all stored phone numbers. extracting the image would be my problem as a second part. Nov 03 18:24:00 roadi, make a backup, then copy the .zip file over usb Nov 03 18:24:53 You can export all the contacts Nov 03 18:25:02 and the backup program on the N900 does it. Nov 03 18:25:25 i've bricked my device .... but the backup still exists on the device - hrhrhr Nov 03 18:26:05 You could boot meego off of a microsd and mount your N900's filesystems and get the files that way. Nov 03 18:26:24 where can i find such image? Nov 03 18:26:52 or would it be possible with the default offered images by nokia? Nov 03 18:27:56 i've read that this images erase the whole data on my n900 so i dont think this is not my solution for debricking. Nov 03 18:28:57 It'll erase all the data off off of your micro sd card Nov 03 18:29:04 Wont touch the internal N900 data. Nov 03 18:29:15 So backup the micro sd first. Nov 03 18:29:30 hi guys. isn't it possible to update meego? tried using yum update but that didn't work... :) Nov 03 18:29:41 (as root) Nov 03 18:29:54 DrWilken: wrong chan ;) Nov 03 18:29:59 lol Nov 03 18:30:00 alterego: thx :) Nov 03 18:30:17 you're right :) Nov 03 18:30:20 * mgedmin lurks on meego lists and hears things like "use zypper, yum is deprecated" and "you can't upgrade meego 1.0 to 1.1, reinstall" Nov 03 18:30:32 Heh Nov 03 18:30:37 thx mgedmin :) Nov 03 18:30:44 am using 1.1 Nov 03 18:31:14 gotta reboot... :) Nov 03 18:31:50 * alterego starts working on hooking up QtMultimedia to his shiny new FFT implementation :D Nov 03 18:34:20 Anyone running kernel-power on PR1.3? Can I use the version from extras-testing or do I need the newest in -devel? Nov 03 18:39:46 Anybody knows why the portmap daemon does not start on N900? I have to run it manually, although there are corresponding links in /etc/rc*.d/ Nov 03 18:41:56 hi all Nov 03 18:42:46 does anyone know how to connect to an FritzBox VPN with N900? can i do it with vpnc (which i have installed because i need to connect to an cisco vpn sometimes) Nov 03 18:43:15 zap: who uses portmap anymore? Nov 03 18:43:38 i found http://www.meego.de/forum/howtos/10848-howto-n900-mit-shrew-vpn-und-fritzbox-ueber-umts.html - but the link to the shrew for n900 deb is dead Nov 03 18:45:10 portmap, a funny concept Nov 03 18:49:29 * DocScrutinizer drools over man xinetd Nov 03 19:05:50 hmmm is there another clever way to get the firmware version other than "dpkg -l "mp-fremantle-*" | grep ii" in terminal? Nov 03 19:05:57 ie, dbus/hal etc Nov 03 19:09:39 osso-product-version Nov 03 19:10:28 hmmm run that in x-term? Nov 03 19:10:39 osso-product-info even Nov 03 19:11:06 OSSO_VERSION='RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_MR0' Nov 03 19:11:46 ooo cool Nov 03 19:11:52 thanks DocScrutinizer51 Nov 03 19:11:55 thanks DocScrutinizer Nov 03 19:14:03 also is set for all standard shells as env: Nov 03 19:14:09 IroN900:~# echo $OSSO_VERSION Nov 03 19:14:11 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_MR0 Nov 03 19:15:06 yay! osso-product-info -q OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION Nov 03 19:15:30 (got that from my own tmo post earlier this year, lol!!!) Nov 03 19:22:42 hey gays Nov 03 19:22:50 DocScrutinizer, sup? Nov 03 19:23:28 * RST38h does visual comparison of lurkmore.com and lurkmore.ru Nov 03 19:23:31 hey Nov 03 19:23:53 naah, the .com one can't really compare... Nov 03 19:24:11 so, that version of flash circulating around is the real deal? (the 10.1.53.0 one) Nov 03 19:24:46 RST38h is it the same creators? Nov 03 19:24:51 no Nov 03 19:25:05 which one is copy? Nov 03 19:25:18 they are not Nov 03 19:25:19 and wichone is better? Nov 03 19:25:29 started with the same set of topics, went different paths Nov 03 19:26:32 The .ru one has got much wider scope and the fuck-it-all approach, similar to Encyclopedia Dramatica Nov 03 19:27:03 RST38h russian one is copy, from the begginig, them maybe the paths separated Nov 03 19:27:09 The .com one mostly centered on Nchan folklore and mostly serious Nov 03 19:27:30 ZogG: Well, not exactly a copy (they covered different boards after all) but close enough Nov 03 19:31:49 RST38h, 2ch is copy of 4chan anyway Nov 03 19:32:11 eeh? Nov 03 19:32:15 not the other way? Nov 03 19:32:30 ZogG: I am not an expert in various sorts of excrement Nov 03 19:33:02 Appiah, rusian 2ch Nov 03 19:33:08 russian Nov 03 19:33:14 but the source is japan boards Nov 03 19:33:36 the idea came from Japanese TV-related discussion forums Nov 03 19:34:00 oh Nov 03 19:34:14 "Model is a bunch of shit which includes code which queries the database. Controller is how you interact through your model to retrieve the desired result from your model setting. View is a classic piece of shit of a template system. It'd be easier to just fucking use a regular SQL query and echo it, but no, RAILS MAKES IT EASIER!" Nov 03 19:34:48 "RoR is Japanese for LOL" =) Nov 03 19:35:09 Operation temporarily disabled due to memory. Nov 03 19:35:22 I have an unheardof 32MB free. . . . Nov 03 19:35:41 You don't, your Linux does Nov 03 19:35:41 That's your problem. Nov 03 19:35:49 Free space is stored in a 24 bit field. Nov 03 19:35:57 It can never get over 16M Nov 03 19:35:59 And it is not asking you what it is gonna do with it Nov 03 19:38:36 How does Nokia do it? Nov 03 19:39:02 Mess things up so well and have absolutely no remorse about leaving you to deal with it. Nov 03 19:40:37 Not sure if it is Nokia to blame in this case Nov 03 19:40:51 Or the core Linux stuff Nov 03 19:41:55 luke-jr: portmap is needed for NFS to work Nov 03 19:42:28 if portmap is not running, mounting a nfs share locks up the process Nov 03 19:44:05 Hi Nov 03 19:45:11 24 bits? where? Nov 03 19:46:01 "[Java] is notable (along with Flash) for being one of the few technologies that allows Alan Turing to pwn your browser." Nov 03 19:50:59 Eek: http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/J2SE/Desktop/javase6/splashscreen/ Nov 03 19:53:01 Hi, why have confirmations in apt-get never worked properly in Maemo? Nov 03 19:53:19 eh? they do not? Nov 03 19:53:27 Just pressing enter works, but _why_ is it impossible to type "y"/"Y"? Nov 03 19:53:40 I always type y. It works. Nov 03 19:53:45 'n' works too. Nov 03 19:53:46 Then it takes it as a no Nov 03 19:53:53 and it has always done that Nov 03 19:54:07 not here, or maybe I am hallucinating Nov 03 19:54:13 for me Nov 03 19:55:25 apt 0.7.20.2maemo13.1 for armel compiled on Jan 13 2010 16:38:02 Nov 03 19:55:30 is the version Nov 03 19:57:25 off-topic, but... did any of you ever tried Electronic Cigarettes? do they feel like the real deal? I have a friend that's a smoker and I'm thinking of buying a set for him for birthday Nov 03 19:57:27 :-) Nov 03 19:59:08 ioan, i once tried an electronic cigarette. Nov 03 19:59:26 ioan, there may be additional health risks involved. Nov 03 19:59:27 thing nearly damn killed me when i managed to get it lit Nov 03 19:59:37 i had to use a blowtorch unlike with a normal cig Nov 03 19:59:43 luck :-)) Nov 03 20:00:06 GAN900, isn't it just steam with nicotine? Nov 03 20:00:27 ioan, apparently there may be complications with that delivery method. Nov 03 20:00:30 I'm not saying that is good, but probably is not as bad as real cigarettes Nov 03 20:00:36 * GAN900 searches for a citation. Nov 03 20:00:36 oh Nov 03 20:00:41 ioan: there was a widely circulated review that found them useless Nov 03 20:00:57 ioan, the only positive side is feeling smug at being able to waft it in the air and smoke it in places where cigs arent allowed Nov 03 20:00:58 Or not Nov 03 20:01:14 Operation temporarily disable due to low memory. Nov 03 20:01:17 but that just makes you look like a doofus anyway ;) Nov 03 20:01:18 ioan: compared them to real cigarettes Nov 03 20:01:23 I think that'll be my new catch phrase. Nov 03 20:01:40 GAN900, which, you are disabled due to low memory Nov 03 20:01:54 next step will be injecting nicotine directly into the brain Nov 03 20:02:02 "That's what she said!" Nov 03 20:02:03 zap, patches Nov 03 20:02:33 * Noobmonk3y needs some geeky help Nov 03 20:02:35 zap: Why do this with nicotine though? Nov 03 20:02:35 I quit smoking 10 years ago with help from nicorette gum... Nov 03 20:02:39 As with all chemical addictions, past a certain point it's mostly just getting you back to "normal" range. Nov 03 20:02:44 zap: When much more potent stuff is available... Nov 03 20:02:49 RST38h: because people wants it Nov 03 20:02:52 i'm assuming i cant dive a string (ie string = string / 1000) , so best to convert to int, then back to string? Nov 03 20:03:02 I hear snorting coke gives a good buzz. Nov 03 20:03:04 Noobmonk3y, would love to help, but operation temporarily disabled due to low memory. Nov 03 20:03:05 divide* Nov 03 20:03:11 lcuk: meh.... Nov 03 20:03:19 Noobmonkey <-- is doing something weird Nov 03 20:03:24 lcuk, see, perfect catch phrase. Nov 03 20:03:47 RST38h: ? Nov 03 20:04:02 Noobmonk3y, why (a) are you using strings for numerics, (b) expecting to convert a string to int, then divide by 1000 and expect a heathly result Nov 03 20:04:13 GAN900, thanks dude, it does work! Nov 03 20:04:30 lcuk - read in the available cpu frequencies Nov 03 20:04:37 want to divide by 1000 to make em readble Nov 03 20:04:41 readable* Nov 03 20:04:49 Noob: Normally, you are supposed to store ints as ints Nov 03 20:04:58 Noob: And only convert them to strings for display Nov 03 20:05:04 1.87ghz! Nov 03 20:05:19 well i've read them in from terminal as strings lol Nov 03 20:05:37 so, they are strings, and that be that! Nov 03 20:05:38 atoi() is the c way Nov 03 20:05:46 Screw this Nov 03 20:05:54 * GAN900 reboots. Nov 03 20:06:14 someString.toInt() //FTW Nov 03 20:06:29 yay! Nov 03 20:06:33 * Noobmonk3y cuddles tripzero Nov 03 20:06:54 tripzero, does that work no matter what flavour of string you use? Nov 03 20:07:03 QString Nov 03 20:07:11 i keep hearing things about how many variations on storing bytes there are Nov 03 20:07:18 hm Nov 03 20:07:20 for std::strings, use stringstream Nov 03 20:07:49 int foo; istringstream bar("10"); bar>>foo; Nov 03 20:07:58 Weeee Nov 03 20:08:00 fm booster crashes in 1.3 Nov 03 20:08:03 blah Nov 03 20:08:11 blah Nov 03 20:08:23 ok, maths works fine Nov 03 20:08:29 but now need to chuck int back into a string lol Nov 03 20:08:38 toString doesnt work, butttttttt... Nov 03 20:08:42 QString::fromInt() Nov 03 20:08:44 Qstring(int) might? Nov 03 20:08:52 or actually QString::number Nov 03 20:09:50 Qstring(number) worked fine :) Nov 03 20:10:20 Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! Nov 03 20:10:28 omg lcuk! - i need to screenie this! Nov 03 20:10:29 He apparently got a number. Nov 03 20:10:36 What a guy! Nov 03 20:10:46 RST38h, importantly Nov 03 20:10:58 lcuk: It's displaying the results in chinese! Nov 03 20:11:12 he got it without constructing proxy classes or an object model to split the model/view portions up :P Nov 03 20:11:18 How do you know it is Chinese? Nov 03 20:11:25 Maybe it is Norvegian? Nov 03 20:11:42 Lol read in string (all ok) convert to int (All ok), divide by 2 (all ok), add to listwidget(as String) - = Chinese!!!! Nov 03 20:11:43 Noobmonk3y, perhaps it has used your data and given you unicode out from within Nov 03 20:11:50 lcuk: One more mention of the MVC and I am starting to quote encyclopedia dramatica at you =) Nov 03 20:12:07 the wikidot stuff was better Nov 03 20:12:12 more believable Nov 03 20:12:19 scp Nov 03 20:12:45 lcuk: Yea, I know Nov 03 20:13:11 lcuk: Just read ED's take on Ruby though, had trouble pulling myself up from the floor Nov 03 20:13:45 poor you Nov 03 20:14:32 hi Nov 03 20:14:36 * Noobmonk3y is still giggling loudly at the chinese Nov 03 20:14:39 hi BabelO Nov 03 20:14:45 Noobmonk3y, pix Nov 03 20:14:52 and Noobmonk3y Nov 03 20:14:54 i think i know why, divided it by 2, not 1k just to test Nov 03 20:15:09 why should that matter? Nov 03 20:15:14 Can someone tell me if screen rotation is in qt 4.7 on *N900 and i want to remove my old dbus method, is there another way to do screen rotation now ? Nov 03 20:15:19 hi lcuk Nov 03 20:15:35 omg, divind by 100 gives something that looks aramaic - and a bumhole looking character Nov 03 20:15:43 UNICODE Nov 03 20:15:48 dividing / 1000 Nov 03 20:15:50 lol Nov 03 20:15:52 the constructur you are using is borkened Nov 03 20:15:57 constructor Nov 03 20:16:07 lol Nov 03 20:16:15 just showed a mate -> he asked what the bumhole meant Nov 03 20:16:24 geeeeeeeeeeeeenius Nov 03 20:16:28 * Noobmonk3y is gonna get a pic Nov 03 20:16:33 moin Nov 03 20:16:39 BabelO, hrm Nov 03 20:16:43 assume it should be Nov 03 20:16:52 cant remember tho Nov 03 20:17:02 lcuk: i did not find any more the WA_Maemo* stuff Nov 03 20:17:31 i have made a new package for qlandkarte M and 4.7 and use qt mobility now. Nov 03 20:17:31 BabelO, well, qt4.7 and qt mobility and stuff is geared for cross platform use Nov 03 20:19:08 Bumhole character! ----> http://www.greg-roberts.com/hcb.png Nov 03 20:19:21 Well technically, Bum.... Nov 03 20:19:54 MohammadAG: Explain that Bum lol! Nov 03 20:20:10 Noobmonk3y: ☞ɷ☜ Nov 03 20:20:17 Bacon in bum language? Nov 03 20:20:21 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJEWy25Rd_E Nov 03 20:20:24 horribly wrong thought Nov 03 20:21:02 Well the problem is definitley in ui->listWidget->addItem(QString(mhz)); Nov 03 20:21:43 Noobmonk3y, what datatype is mhz Nov 03 20:21:49 int Nov 03 20:22:04 (and debug says it is the right number, ie the one i want!) Nov 03 20:22:21 print the string first Nov 03 20:22:23 to see what it does Nov 03 20:23:02 trying it :) Nov 03 20:23:44 "?" Nov 03 20:23:49 yup - bum language Nov 03 20:28:33 lcuk: sorted -> QString text_integer = text_integer.setNum(mhz); Nov 03 20:28:33 ui->listWidget->addItem(text_integer); Nov 03 20:28:55 i lie Nov 03 20:28:58 it segfaulted! Nov 03 20:41:49 here is powerful dneary Nov 03 20:56:05 My ZogG Nov 03 20:56:56 thp, Ping? Nov 03 20:57:09 dneary =) Nov 03 20:57:29 dneary there was topic about kinda brainstorm Nov 03 20:57:41 ZogG, Really? Nov 03 20:57:42 about changelog for realses Nov 03 20:57:43 Where? Nov 03 20:58:01 On GNOME desktop-devel-list? Nov 03 20:58:54 it should be added to repos as mustto Nov 03 21:01:33 ZogG, I've lost you Nov 03 21:01:50 Who here knows Valgrind well? Nov 03 21:02:26 I'd like to use it to profile an application Nov 03 21:02:36 (leading question) Nov 03 21:03:02 dneary on maemo apps, when you update you don't get changelog in app manager Nov 03 21:03:18 ZogG, And where was the discussion? Nov 03 21:03:45 dneary TMO Nov 03 21:03:58 somewhere Nov 03 21:05:35 to get changelog in appmgr you need to set the special X-Maemo field Nov 03 21:05:40 whose name I don't remember. Nov 03 21:05:54 very funny Nov 03 21:06:02 like it's matter what thread Nov 03 21:06:51 Hrm .. My FFT implementation doesn't seem to work well on the N900 :/ Nov 03 21:07:36 dneary: I also know valgrind, but only trivially, and enough to say that the arm version was not ready until relatively recently Nov 03 21:07:54 dneary: so you might need to get a recent version, not from sdk. Nov 03 21:08:36 javispedro, I'm looking for someone who knows Valgrind well enough to explain how to use it to find and fix a memory leak, and to profile an app to find a performance issue Nov 03 21:08:50 * javispedro never used valgrind to profile anything ... :P Nov 03 21:09:08 the hardest part of using valgrind correctly depends on your toolkit, so... Nov 03 21:09:22 (because your toolkit might not be freeing stuff when you want it to be freed, and valgrind doesn't know..) Nov 03 21:11:44 heya javispedro Nov 03 21:13:04 http://uploads.neatorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/geekoptimism.jpg Nov 03 21:13:11 hey RST38h Nov 03 21:13:40 hi, the media player on my n900 is only indexing my mp3 files and not my vorbis ones. i have ogg-support and extra-decoders installed, and i've tried re-running the configure script for extra-decoders as previously suggested Nov 03 21:14:02 alecjw: did you update to PR1.3? Nov 03 21:14:09 alterego: maybe you could look at NEON or use Orc to JIT for NEON Nov 03 21:14:22 I had to uninstall extra-decoder and ogg-support after upgrade, then install it again. Nov 03 21:14:25 Appiah, it started happening after i ran a maemo update if that's what you mean Nov 03 21:14:30 yupp Nov 03 21:14:31 ah right ok ill try that Nov 03 21:14:33 there's a bug in /usr/share/applications/hildon/browser.desktop (package tablet-browser-ui) on the N900, the Exec line is missing %u. Who can fix it / where do I report it? Nov 03 21:14:52 Noobmonk3y: learn about datatypes and how to *convert* between them! what you're doing is typecasting (see wikipedia if in doubt) Nov 03 21:15:36 alterego, what did you write your fft in? Nov 03 21:15:45 7mhz amigas can process in realtime an fft Nov 03 21:16:12 dfaure, what problem does it cause? Nov 03 21:16:12 lcuk: C++ Nov 03 21:16:14 alterego, Is fftiw still the fastest Fourier transform in the West? Nov 03 21:16:20 MUHAHAHAHA!!! Nov 03 21:16:22 dneary: no idea :P Nov 03 21:16:32 alterego, c++ is not the only thing Nov 03 21:16:35 alterego: try Prolog! Nov 03 21:16:39 did you write it as low level array mucking Nov 03 21:16:40 I don't think madde compiles with vfp .. Nov 03 21:16:42 lcuk: it makes kde applications download the URL into a tempfile instead of passing the URL to the 'browser' application Nov 03 21:16:48 lcuk: yeah Nov 03 21:16:53 or did you put each wavelet into an object and add a whole model/view tree to it! Nov 03 21:16:59 http://www.fftw.org/ Nov 03 21:17:04 DocScrutinizer: i hat to write an FFT in prolog when i was at uni Nov 03 21:17:10 lcuk: haha Nov 03 21:17:29 lcuk: this is as the desktop-file-entry-standard says about .desktop files; the exec line needs %u if the application supports urls as command-line arguments Nov 03 21:17:36 alterego, whilst going ott to explain and you get the joke, you see why i am serious :P Nov 03 21:17:57 DocScrutinizer: a little mind-bending, but fun Nov 03 21:18:11 dfaure, kde applications are failing on maemo? Nov 03 21:18:18 robtaylor: and for sure lightning fast Nov 03 21:18:18 which kde apps are in the repositories? Nov 03 21:18:25 IS there anyway I can check to see if an executable is compiled with vfp? Nov 03 21:19:04 kotzcarny has been doing some wicked fft stuff recently Nov 03 21:19:08 lcuk: I foud this while testing kdepim-mobile, OK, separate repo. This isn't the point though: if this app supports URLs (I'm not actually sure... testing now....) then it should said %u. Otherwise it shouldn't have the MimeType line it has.... Nov 03 21:19:13 DocScrutinizer: oh, for sure ;) Nov 03 21:19:27 Hrm, "Tag_FP_arch: VFPv3" I guess may answer my question. Nov 03 21:19:31 dfaure, actual use case problem specifically on maemo? Nov 03 21:19:48 alterego, Perhaps there's something in the elf header? Nov 03 21:20:04 lcuk: none, if you exclude kde apps, I presume... I suppose the maemo launcher happily passes urls to apps, ignoring the spec... Nov 03 21:20:11 alterego: if you want decent speed, use longint instead of float! Nov 03 21:20:18 robtaylor, can gcc compile prolog still? Nov 03 21:20:26 thanks doc, will do :) Nov 03 21:20:31 I'm using double .. Nov 03 21:20:54 alterego, chunky shifted ints for speed, think like a democoder and not a scientist Nov 03 21:20:56 lcuk: I didn't think it ever did Nov 03 21:21:05 alterego: maybe even int32 or int16 Nov 03 21:21:16 depends on accuracy you need Nov 03 21:21:32 I don't think accuracy is my main concern right now ^.^ Nov 03 21:21:34 alterego: aka fixed point arithmetic Nov 03 21:22:08 lcuk: actually /usr/bin/browser --url=%u is the right syntax, so this .desktop file needs to be splitted in two; one with just Exec and no mimetypes, and one with Exec=browser --url=%u and the mimetypes. Nov 03 21:22:20 would have been simpler if that app just took a url on the command line, like every other browser.... Nov 03 21:22:41 Okay, I'll try fixed point .. Nov 03 21:23:28 Appiah, that did it. thanks :) Nov 03 21:23:31 dneary: btw for performance profiileing, use kcachegrind, google will tell you all Nov 03 21:23:33 ahhh gprolog.org says that its the gnu prolog compiler. it just never made it into gcc Nov 03 21:23:46 alecjw: np! Nov 03 21:23:51 robtaylor, It's still callgrind under the covers Nov 03 21:23:57 robtaylor, Going to Dublin? Nov 03 21:24:16 dneary: kcachegrind is theUI to use. there's no gnoem equivalent. its clunky but useful Nov 03 21:24:27 first thing I noticed when updating to PR1.3 , I had about 1100 songs in the media player, after update 990 Nov 03 21:24:30 dneary: of course. we're sponsoring the breaks on the first day Nov 03 21:24:31 robtaylor, Sure Nov 03 21:24:43 robtaylor, Will you be in Saturday afternoon? Nov 03 21:24:43 figured it was the decoder/oggsupport package needed reinstalling Nov 03 21:24:46 Appiah, mine went from about 1000 down to 7 :P Nov 03 21:24:50 haha Nov 03 21:25:01 i only have 7 songs in proprietary formats Nov 03 21:25:11 kinda sucks there no seek support Nov 03 21:25:28 i keep most of my music library in flac on my server Nov 03 21:25:49 then i have a bash script to convert to medium quality ogg to go on to my n900 Nov 03 21:25:51 is that a bondage term? Nov 03 21:26:35 there's a terminal emulator for bondage? Nov 03 21:26:37 lcuk, lolwut? Nov 03 21:26:45 dneary: landing sunday night Nov 03 21:26:55 Bummer Nov 03 21:26:56 oh sorry thought you were talking to me Nov 03 21:27:12 mgedmin, How about you? Around Saturday afternoon? Nov 03 21:27:23 * mgedmin is not coming Nov 03 21:27:32 Bummer Nov 03 21:27:55 yeah ... Nov 03 21:28:41 Anyone got a floor I can sleep on? :D Nov 03 21:29:03 * robtaylor -> bed Nov 03 21:29:44 dneary: see you in dublin :) Nov 03 21:29:51 robtaylor, Yup Nov 03 21:30:18 I will have my runners with me Nov 03 21:30:24 I think I can get the funds, unfortunately I don't hae anywhere to stay ... Nov 03 21:30:34 Robot101, Anyone from Collabora getting in early? Nov 03 21:33:04 Strange, even with fixed point doesn't seem to be performing much better. Nov 03 21:33:09 I must be doing something else wrong :/ Nov 03 21:33:25 ahaaaaaaa, after an hour of washing up -> ui->listWidget->addItem(numstring.setNum(mhz)); Nov 03 21:33:27 works! Nov 03 21:33:56 Noobmonk3y: that's weird code; don't you mean addItem(QString::number(mhz)) ? Nov 03 21:33:58 alterego: try to use a sane prog lang, like e.g plain c Nov 03 21:34:15 DocScrutinizer: yeah, I was going to port it to plain C anyway. Nov 03 21:34:49 plain C is sane? no comment ;) Nov 03 21:35:00 probably QintegerArray doesn't work that well ;-P Nov 03 21:35:35 Not using any Qt structures in the processing, all pre allocated buffers. Nov 03 21:35:52 dfaure: I must not tell my true opinion here, not to offend all those cute young people Nov 03 21:36:05 Heh Nov 03 21:36:58 :) Nov 03 21:38:08 Anyhow, bbl Nov 03 21:38:40 just so much: my first programs were written in Z80 mnemonics on a sheet of paper, then converted to hex and address calculated by hand, then singlestepped virtually in my head, and finally entered and ready to run. Usually without a single bug Nov 03 21:39:24 s/on a /on a pile of/ Nov 03 21:39:25 DocScrutinizer meant: just so much: my first programs were written in Z80 mnemonics on a pile ofsheet of paper, then converted to hex and address calculated by hand, then singlestepped virtually in my head, and finally entered and ready to run. Usually without a single bug Nov 03 21:44:11 * nox- hand-assembled z80 as well... were you also using a zx81? :) Nov 03 21:44:28 wasn't available when I did this Nov 03 21:44:34 later yes Nov 03 21:44:38 ah Nov 03 21:45:11 NasCom-1, google for it Nov 03 21:46:24 nice :) Nov 03 21:49:36 early model, no microsoft basic yet Nov 03 21:49:53 dfaure: meh, that way didnt work, mine does :) Nov 03 21:50:48 Noobmonk3y: ok I assume you use numstring elsewhere then. But then I would still split that line in two, for readability. Nov 03 21:51:00 you're assigning to numstring -and- adding an item, in the same line. Nov 03 21:51:01 nope, dont use it anywhere else Nov 03 21:51:09 was just getting it to be a string in the additem Nov 03 21:51:19 then my line is equivalent to yours Nov 03 21:51:31 but caused my app to segfault -> tried it earlier Nov 03 21:51:31 (but removes the need for a qstring variable) Nov 03 21:51:45 QString::number segfaults?? I doubt that ;) Nov 03 21:52:21 well it does Nov 03 21:52:33 why would i lie? been trying to do that line for a while Nov 03 21:53:46 * DocScrutinizer mumbles "friggin c++, use sprintf" Nov 03 21:56:06 Noobmonk3y: I think something else is crashing "randomly", and you're mislead by unrelated changes Nov 03 21:56:38 Noobmonk3y: if you can run this app on a linux desktop, run it in valgrind Nov 03 21:56:53 well, add that line, it segfaults, change it to mine it works - i'm new to this entirely, but quite happy to stay clear of segfaults Nov 03 21:57:03 DocScrutinizer, std::cout << "Hello, World\n"; xD Nov 03 21:57:07 sorry dfaure can't :( - very integrated into maemo atm Nov 03 21:57:50 Noobmonk3y: of course I meant ui->listWidget->addItem(QString::number(mhz)); Nov 03 21:57:58 * DocScrutinizer mumbles gdb Nov 03 21:58:19 yeah, gdb might help, actually, to see where it crashes, at least Nov 03 21:58:38 dfaure, Are you going to be in Dublin, by the way? Nov 03 21:58:44 hehe will try it next time, for now i'm onto my next error :P Nov 03 21:58:47 dneary: no Nov 03 21:59:03 dfaure, Dommage Nov 03 21:59:36 I'm not really involved in maemo-related things, just trying to find out where to report a bug in package tablet-browser-ui :) Nov 03 21:59:59 Dublin is MeeGo not Maemo :) Nov 03 22:00:14 even less involved in meego ;) Nov 03 22:07:51 dfaure: what are you involved in? :) Nov 03 22:08:14 Noobmonk3y: KDE developer since 1999 Nov 03 22:08:20 cool :) :) Nov 03 22:12:04 if it was cool, it would be "CDE developer" ;-) Nov 03 22:12:30 :P Nov 03 22:29:30 hi can someone tell me how to add another desktop? I'm using a n900 maemo 5. I already have 4 desktops ( perhpas there is a max of 4? ) Nov 03 22:32:46 no, you can add them. Nov 03 22:32:55 No, I don't rememner how. Nov 03 22:32:57 prolly gconf Nov 03 22:32:58 newbie007: there is an app for that Nov 03 22:33:01 newbie007: search the talk.maemo.org forums, you can have up to 9 apparently. Nov 03 22:33:08 It doesn't seem to be in the gui, Nov 03 22:33:16 otherwise fiddleing with some confs ... dunno how Nov 03 22:33:21 thanks will check Nov 03 22:35:35 I'm not finding anything on talk.maemo.org.. it's a difficult thing to search for Nov 03 22:36:36 apt-cache search desktop ? Nov 03 22:37:35 "hildon-home also limits the number of desktops to 4." Nov 03 22:37:42 seems to be possible though Nov 03 22:39:52 newbie007: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=maemo+9+desktop+home+screens Nov 03 22:40:15 ;) Nov 03 22:41:51 hi guys, has anyone faced a problem where you can't enter an inbox of a imap account in modest? Nov 03 22:42:16 it only happens to one account, and only to its inbox. other accounts are ok, and other folders in this account are ok Nov 03 22:42:19 I read somewhere that increasing the number of desktops had negitive effects with the media player.. I don't think I will continue although that shouldn't affect the media player at all Nov 03 22:42:30 I tried clearing /home/user/.modest but that didn't help. Nov 03 22:43:45 is there a way to set the priority for jabber? Nov 03 22:49:00 has the 1.3 kernel ext4 support? .. or is there a new power kernel available yet? Nov 03 22:49:23 kernel power seems to work with 1.3 too Nov 03 22:49:55 or at least the one from extras-devel (is what i use) Nov 03 22:50:03 yeah someone told that .. but also that the 1.3 kernel has some enhancements not yet in the power kernel Nov 03 22:50:26 well i have no time for fixing my device now .. i prolly wait a few days :P Nov 03 22:52:13 yeah an updated kerne-power might be nice, tho hopefully also w/o the charger bug thats now in 1.3... Nov 03 22:56:49 nox-: charger bug? Nov 03 23:00:15 yeah 1.3 kernel doesnt clock down cpu properly anymore while on charger, causing charging never to stop properly Nov 03 23:01:25 so with 1.3 you better unplug on green light instead of just keeping it on charger overnight etc Nov 03 23:02:12 (or install the current kernel-power) Nov 03 23:07:34 nox-: discharging while wall-charger is connected is a bug since 1.0 Nov 03 23:08:00 increased powerconsumption while wifi is on is new in 1.3 Nov 03 23:08:52 well this bug causes it to keep `trickle-charging' which supposedly isnt good for batterylife Nov 03 23:08:59 ~hostmode Nov 03 23:09:00 methinks hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=857496#post857496 Nov 03 23:09:22 infobot: no, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=858357#post858357 Nov 03 23:09:22 okay, DocScrutinizer Nov 03 23:10:39 DocScrutinizer, you want to explain the charger bug again? :) Nov 03 23:13:37 nox-: eh? Nov 03 23:14:15 hostmode is not about charger bug (first instance) Nov 03 23:14:27 no, for chem|st Nov 03 23:14:36 (unrelated to hostmode) Nov 03 23:16:11 chem|st: discharging while wallcharger connected is either a) wrong wallcharger missing D+/- short, or b) the glich where charger detection is failing sometimes, or c) device eating more power than charger can deliver Nov 03 23:17:36 heh i also meant the 1.3 bug with the cpu clocking Nov 03 23:18:22 what we see new in 1.3 kernel is CPU fixed @ 500MHz and never lower than C1, while on wallcharger. Formerly this was known (and intended, for unknown reason) behaviour for connectio to USB-host. Now it sneaked in for wallcharger as well, which is mostly useless and somewhat damaging hardware Nov 03 23:20:12 * DocScrutinizer declares 4th of November the Day Of Hostmode Nov 03 23:20:24 Oh?! Nov 03 23:21:03 yeah, paul finally killed the critter. Now we only need to butcher and fry it Nov 03 23:21:14 :o Nov 03 23:22:03 ~hostmode Nov 03 23:22:03 i heard hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=858357#post858357 Nov 03 23:22:20 ...for an update as of 30min ago Nov 03 23:28:23 PaulFertser: what happens if you try to HS-connect to FR? Or to a LS device? Nov 03 23:29:07 DocScrutinizer: 1: the communication doesn't work properly, some HNP errors etc; 2: nothing happens, no irq comes. Nov 03 23:30:12 DocScrutinizer: i can easily integrated TESTMODE=0 to the "echo F" part as we know how to distinguish FS/LS. Nov 03 23:30:22 all of that detectable by a dmesg|tail|grep? - my idea being userland tries HS first, then FS/LS Nov 03 23:30:24 now I just need to order a microB to USB A adapter Nov 03 23:30:55 ooops ECHAN Nov 03 23:30:59 DocScrutinizer: HS and FS should be the same, the controller is automatically switches between that. Nov 03 23:31:26 ds3: alternatively, a simple USB-A <-> USB-A would suffice. Nov 03 23:32:31 ds3: recommended equipment CA-101 cable plus USB-A-F<->A-F adapter Nov 03 23:32:36 ds3: http://www.platan.ru/img_base/nn_jpg/220496231.jpg Nov 03 23:33:02 ^^^this one Nov 03 23:33:06 or similar Nov 03 23:33:49 it's pretty pocket size and you got your CA-101 cable with you anyway, don't you? :-) Nov 03 23:34:13 would http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/memory-cards-and-cables/cables/nokia-adapter-cable-for-usb-otg-ca-157 work? Nov 03 23:34:44 no, I don't normally carry the CA-101 Nov 03 23:41:14 I had a 6" mini-B to USB A adapter for the N800 Nov 03 23:41:18 great for thumbdrives Nov 03 23:43:50 ds3: i know n810 uses micro-AB while n900 uses micro-B, not sure if it'll fit. Nov 03 23:43:59 zokier: ^^ Nov 03 23:44:39 i need someone test one little qt app.. any volunteers? :) Nov 03 23:45:28 micro-A doesn't fit, I have that cable already Nov 03 23:58:14 zokier: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=858517#post858517 doesn't fit Nov 03 23:59:38 DocScrutinizer: none of that, it is on purpose, you don't want the wall charger to charge again after a few minutes to preserve battery lifetime. I did not check for 1.2 and did not for 1.3 yet but you could drain your battery empty within a few hours after the light went green (yes I did start the powerdrain before it went green to make sure that the supplied power isn't lower than the consumption) Nov 04 00:00:53 chem|st: eh? sorry, makes no sense to me. All my research and observations show that's not true Nov 04 00:01:48 DocScrutinizer: as said the last try I had with 1.1.1 and there it was still easy Nov 04 00:02:25 nope, it isn't. I have a 1.1.1 device here that's running off charger for an uptime of 90 days Nov 04 00:02:54 Why do I get the impression that PR 1.3 is even more buggy than PR 1.2? Nov 04 00:03:36 DocScrutinizer: oh... ok, any tricks? as charging never started again at mine Nov 04 00:03:47 no tricks at all Nov 04 00:04:10 bme trickle charging every few minutes for ~30s Nov 04 00:04:31 I'm sorry to butt in, again, but is anyone familiar with the behavior of Conversations wherein new conversations do not appear in it? Nov 04 00:04:41 I can see by the LED of my 2nd source charger Nov 04 00:05:06 hi all, i am getting nasty memory-leaks from maemo-launcher here on maemo 4.. is there anything i can do about it? Nov 04 00:05:34 ebzzry: on 1.3? conversations like e.g. SMS? yes, there's aworkaround Nov 04 00:05:38 its making my device really hard to use, by the middle of the day i have to restart or kill maemo-launcher Nov 04 00:05:59 DocScrutinizer: what is it, please? Nov 04 00:06:21 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11456#c15 Nov 04 00:06:23 Bug 11456: History of every conversation (SMS, IM) empty after update to PR1.3 Nov 04 00:06:42 * ebzzry crosses his fingers Nov 04 00:06:45 guysoft42: on maemo4 folks use telescope, it's a nice launcher Nov 04 00:07:21 PaulFertser, to install it instead of maemo launcher?? Nov 04 00:08:20 guysoft42: i think yes Nov 04 00:08:35 guysoft42: seen that on the friend's device Nov 04 00:08:45 PaulFertser, i think maemo-launcher is an integral part of maemo4 Nov 04 00:09:07 PaulFertser, is your friend running perhaps a different distro on it? Nov 04 00:09:36 guysoft42: he runs maemo4 with quite some updates from independent folks. Nov 04 00:09:42 guysoft42: i'll ask him tomorrow. Nov 04 00:09:42 DocScrutinizer: and the bug now is trickle charging right from the beginning? Nov 04 00:10:10 PaulFertser, ok, great, thanks, im installing telescope now to try out Nov 04 00:10:23 chem|st: eh? Nov 04 00:10:42 I think I explained about the bug up ^^^ there Nov 04 00:10:47 DocScrutinizer: what was mentioned before, the wall-charger bug damaging the battery Nov 04 00:11:47 it's damaging the battery as charging never hits charge-end threshold with the additional load from busy CPU Nov 04 00:12:00 DocScrutinizer: the 500MHz thing but someone mentioned trickle charging Nov 04 00:12:08 same happens when you keep screen backlight on Nov 04 00:12:09 ah ok Nov 04 00:12:56 so it keeps it at 99.99% and never stopps Nov 04 00:14:10 the real culprit though is the increased power consumption that bites our ass for hostmode possibly, and for sure isn't nice for charging from external mintybox etc Nov 04 00:14:29 and yes, it keeps cell floating at 4.168V Nov 04 00:14:48 which is a bad thing to do, all cell manufs told me Nov 04 00:16:09 see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/jrbme/bme_chargefloat_log Nov 04 00:19:39 This is what I'm getting: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11450 Nov 04 00:19:40 Bug 11450: The SMS log in conversations doesn't display last sms's Nov 04 00:20:36 DocScrutinizer: I did your suggestion earlier, but Conversation still behaves the same way. Nov 04 00:25:36 so please add to ticket 11450! Nov 04 00:26:13 That's what I'm about to do. Nov 04 00:26:54 I also noticed that the changes to these conversations do not reflect in ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db Nov 04 00:47:32 It's scary to see the "Malfunction! Device shutdown in 10s" from time to time. Nov 04 00:54:48 lol. damn n900. cant believe how much i missed it after usoing a cliq for 2 weeks Nov 04 00:55:53 wonder if dev on the ui will continue at all after it is abandoned Nov 04 00:56:25 droid font looks good in xterm Nov 04 00:56:51 hi Nov 04 00:57:13 anyone here know if you can run armel builds in the maemo sdk's scratchbox? Nov 04 00:57:27 trying to run them directly when i'm FREMANTLE_ARMEL mode causes them to segfault Nov 04 00:58:06 youd need qemu Nov 04 00:58:37 hmm Nov 04 00:58:47 also look for madde, that one has a qemu that can emulate a complete n900 (as opposed to just processes) Nov 04 00:59:05 i just need to run a process Nov 04 00:59:14 nothing fancy; just a networking daemon Nov 04 00:59:32 but i'll look for those if that's what i need Nov 04 01:00:29 afaik there a qemu-arm too (qemu usermode), but i havent really tried that yet myself Nov 04 01:00:40 (would emulate just a process) Nov 04 01:01:47 http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE Nov 04 01:02:57 thanks Nov 04 01:03:04 i did just realize my scratchbox has qemu on it Nov 04 01:04:54 qemu-arm, right? Nov 04 01:05:22 nox-: qemu-arm-sb, which shows a usage message of "qemu-arm" when i run it with "-h" Nov 04 01:05:30 allows me to pass "-cpu cortex-a8" Nov 04 01:05:30 ok Nov 04 01:05:45 i _think_ that is the right qemu to use then Nov 04 01:05:54 would also be my guess Nov 04 01:06:02 thanks Nov 04 01:06:02 (for emulating a process) Nov 04 01:20:38 hmmm, glaring at It's scary to see the "Malfunction! Device shutdown in 10s" Nov 04 01:20:49 never seen that o.O Nov 04 01:26:02 Hey all Nov 04 01:26:38 Is anyone dual booting maemo and meego? Nov 04 01:39:06 DocScrutinizer: It's in bold text, BIG BOLD TEXT, during the Nokia logo display phase. Nov 04 01:39:37 DocScrutinizer: As a non-Maemo developer, seeing that gives me goose bumps. Nov 04 01:51:36 hey guys anyone tried to resize easy debian Nov 04 01:51:41 image ? Nov 04 01:53:00 ebzzry, hm Nov 04 01:53:19 I couldn't produce a screenshot, of course. =) Nov 04 01:53:39 What bugs me is that I have no clue if it's harmless or not. =) Nov 04 01:54:05 i found a screenshot actually Nov 04 01:54:38 2GB is not enough, i have installed a lot of apps including Vlc Nov 04 01:54:42 google isn't so spectacular at the moment, I have left a message where I might be able to find out more, have you been abusing your n900? Nov 04 01:54:44 but vlc is slow Nov 04 01:56:10 can anyone give me a idea about resizing easy debian' Nov 04 01:56:55 lcuk: If reflashing it for ~6 times for the past two days, yes. Nov 04 01:57:03 lcuk: Otherwise, no. =) Nov 04 01:58:09 ebzzry, does the device actually shutdown? Nov 04 01:58:28 lcuk: Yes. Nov 04 01:58:51 lcuk: I usually get it when I do a restore (from Backup app). Nov 04 01:59:01 hm Nov 04 01:59:20 explain more, its just once and then it boots happily? Nov 04 01:59:44 (the conversations bugs, 11450, 11456, bugs me) Nov 04 01:59:58 lcuk: Sometimes, more than once. Then it boots OK. Nov 04 02:00:11 lcuk: I have been trying to reproduce it, but luck wasn't on my side. Nov 04 02:01:16 curious Nov 04 02:01:25 lcuk: Google says that some people have experienced it, too. Nov 04 02:01:30 and it does not happen if you abstain from restoring Nov 04 02:01:34 ebzzry, yes Nov 04 02:01:51 but with the similar kind of response Nov 04 02:02:03 hence me asking about it. Nov 04 02:02:39 lcuk: Yes. It must be a bug. The odd thing is that I have been (ab)using my unit for the past months and I didn't see it until I upgraded to 1.3 Nov 04 02:07:34 Another weird thing that happened to me tonight is that MicroB won't run. Tapping on desktop bookmarks, running it from the menu, and invoking it via DBUS won't work. Nov 04 02:21:31 CAL Nov 04 02:21:42 lcuk: CAL issue? Nov 04 02:22:33 lcuk: ... BIG BOLD TEXT, during the Nokia logo display phase. Nov 04 02:22:41 sounds like NOLO Nov 04 02:23:12 and allegedly NOLO will barf on CAL errors Nov 04 02:24:44 or NAND bad block management is flawed and NOLO itself resides on blocks that occasionally have read errors Nov 04 02:26:07 define:CAL Nov 04 02:26:17 if Nokia cared to document WTF is going on with flasher, xloader, NOLO, bad block management, booting sequence from very beginning until kernel start... HELL, FIRE AND BRIMSTONE Nov 04 02:26:40 ebzzry: CAL is a parition in NAND where config data is stored Nov 04 02:26:45 How much knowledge do we have about N900+Maemo boot process? Nov 04 02:26:59 * ebzzry wishes wiki pages are more detailed Nov 04 02:27:07 well, about ZERO Nov 04 02:27:18 :( Nov 04 02:27:25 DocScrutinizer: =( that's sad. Nov 04 02:27:41 OK I am incredibly stupid but I can't seem to get the phone app (?) on the desktop. What am i doing wrong? Nov 04 02:27:57 Somebody ought to step forward and maybe reverse engineer things, or someone with actual background on how Nokia does things. Nov 04 02:28:18 a few heroic dudes like jacekowski done some RE and disassembling, and lots of generic TI datasheets etc Nov 04 02:28:37 DocScrutinizer: where are his efforts documented, assuming they are? Nov 04 02:29:12 lol, there's some not yet finished effort to get some 5 lines into a wikipage :-P Nov 04 02:29:28 heh =) Nov 04 02:33:45 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 +~2h Nov 04 02:33:56 search for jacekowski Nov 04 02:36:03 Hmm. Interesting. Nov 04 02:36:21 Anyway, how's the prealpha of Hen going? Nov 04 02:37:23 blah Nov 04 02:40:02 W00T updated and only lost a couple of apps :) I'll just re-install them... Nov 04 02:40:02 battery life is a *major*issue - I can not get through a day - any suggestions? Nov 04 02:41:45 What does everyone else use to backup their OVI purchases? Nov 04 02:41:56 My solution is rather ... ugly to say the least. Nov 04 02:42:01 ebzzry: Nov 04 02:42:04 ~hostmode Nov 04 02:42:05 hostmode is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=858357#post858357 Nov 04 02:42:52 ~coldflash is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 and next ~200 posts Nov 04 02:42:52 DocScrutinizer: okay Nov 04 02:43:39 sweet jebus! Nov 04 02:49:52 anoter stupid question, how to copypaste out of firefox? Nov 04 02:51:46 OK figured that one out. Invisible cursor :/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Nov 04 02:59:57 2010