**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 05 02:59:58 2010
Nov 05 03:11:32 <Termana> good morning
Nov 05 04:04:54 <Macer> ugh
Nov 05 04:05:06 <Macer> this bt keyboard thing is becomming a pain in the ass
Nov 05 04:05:14 <Macer> it works but not perfect and it's driving me nuts :)
Nov 05 04:05:37 <Macer> like having to keep the phone open is a pain
Nov 05 04:05:59 <Macer> been reading this huge thread trying to figure out how i can fi x it
Nov 05 04:06:13 <Macer> according to the thread it should be working
Nov 05 04:07:59 <Gorroth> raise your hand if you want ettercap on the n900, along with the squid package i'll be submitting soon
Nov 05 04:24:36 <Macer> hm
Nov 05 04:24:47 <Macer> i'm about to go ghetto and use some sort of crond
Nov 05 04:24:55 <Macer> and just have it run the kbd script once every minute
Nov 05 04:24:57 <Macer> haha
Nov 05 04:25:10 <Macer> talk about murdering a battery
Nov 05 04:26:08 <Macer> i sure wish nokia included this bt hid support in m5 like it did in m4
Nov 05 04:26:21 <Macer> m4 was great for using bt keyboards.. what happened?
Nov 05 04:38:04 <pupnik_> Macer: that is a vague question i think
Nov 05 04:40:55 <ebzzry> What's usually wrong when the N900 is connected OK to the access point, but hosts in the same subnet cannot ping it?
Nov 05 04:48:50 <pupnik_> ebzzry: can n900 resolve other hostnames and connect to them?
Nov 05 04:59:10 <Macer> pupnik_: heh
Nov 05 04:59:18 <Macer> just seems like a regression
Nov 05 05:02:03 <chx> Gorroth: ettercap on the n900?
Nov 05 05:02:06 <chx> Gorroth: huh
Nov 05 05:02:19 <krayon> ebzzry: Are you sure you're connected correctly?
Nov 05 05:02:49 <krayon> ebzzry: ifconfig to check.  You might want to check your routing table and your resolv.conf too, for good measure.
Nov 05 05:03:38 <Gorroth> chx: yeah, if i can get it to build
Nov 05 05:33:35 <pupnik_> The "Robotron" hardware was a 1MHz 8-bit 6809 processor, with a custom image coprocessor also running at 1MHz. The amazing thing is this slow circuit had more image processing power than PCs until the early 90s. What made it so powerful was that the image coprocessor was one the first examples of what later became known as a bit blitter--popularized by the Amiga computer. In fact, several of the future designers of the Amiga, including RJ Mical,
Nov 05 05:34:24 <SwedeMike> pupnik_: url?
Nov 05 05:34:38 <pupnik_> http://www.kvalda.com/bennington/public/Halcyon%20Days/BOOK/JARVIS.HTM
Nov 05 05:43:38 <krayon> ebzzry: oh, there's a few more boot vids btw, the .mp4 ones ;)
Nov 05 05:59:36 <Gorroth> building ettercap is a pita
Nov 05 06:28:15 <wazd> Moaning all :)
Nov 05 06:28:43 <jase21> Greetz
Nov 05 06:28:46 <pupnik_> hey wazd, a glorious day to be alive
Nov 05 06:34:25 <wazd> Pupnik_: well, my application for irish visa is not such a big ocasion :D
Nov 05 06:34:47 <wazd> Pupnik_: but definitely worth it :)
Nov 05 06:36:06 <jase21> Any maemo specific news ?
Nov 05 06:38:25 <pupnik_> Mozilla Launches Firefox 4 Beta 2 For Android, Maemo
Nov 05 06:40:05 <wazd> Oh, my roommate is freakin' oss lord :)
Nov 05 06:41:26 <wazd> Frank Karlischek
Nov 05 06:43:46 <chx> wasnt that Frank Karlitschek?
Nov 05 06:58:00 <sampos> hello, i want to remove svn repo from the gmo project (using gitorious.org currently), anyone hear able to help me?
Nov 05 07:04:47 <wazd> Chx: maybe you're right :)
Nov 05 08:02:28 <wazd> Ok
Nov 05 08:02:56 <wazd> Irish embassy wants to see my work in printed form
Nov 05 08:03:52 <johnx> wazd, big old code printout? or print the graphics files as hex?
Nov 05 08:04:29 <wazd> I don't give a damn :)
Nov 05 08:05:20 <wazd> But I'm confused
Nov 05 08:05:42 <bef0rd> for the visa wazd?
Nov 05 08:05:46 <wazd> Yes
Nov 05 08:05:52 <bef0rd> jesus :/
Nov 05 08:06:17 <wazd> My reaction was like O_o
Nov 05 08:08:40 <wazd> i wonder, if I was a freakin' string theory specialist, would they ask me bout my work
Nov 05 08:10:14 <johnx> they'd asked to see printed examples of string theory
Nov 05 08:10:46 <johnx> if you were a farmer, they'd ask for printed examples of your livestock
Nov 05 08:10:46 <wazd> Johnx: bingo
Nov 05 08:10:57 <wazd> :D
Nov 05 08:11:01 <johnx> if you were a porn star ...
Nov 05 08:11:43 <johnx> they have these nice big filing cabinets, so they need something to fill them with that makes them feel like 'due diligence' has been done
Nov 05 08:12:00 <wazd> Bloody irish...
Nov 05 08:26:11 * crashanddie_ gives johnx a metopic slap.
Nov 05 08:27:04 <johnx> hwa?
Nov 05 09:01:21 <RobbieThe1st> Is anyone alive on here?
Nov 05 09:01:44 <johnx> is that a trick question?
Nov 05 09:10:23 <ieatlint> i'm alive and even sober
Nov 05 09:11:28 <zlimvos> heya all. what is the 'osso-' I see in front of hundreds of packages in the n900?
Nov 05 09:12:20 <johnx> open source software ... ocelot
Nov 05 09:13:08 <MohammadAG51> open source software operations
Nov 05 09:13:20 <MohammadAG51> most osso- packages are closed
Nov 05 09:14:57 <ieatlint> lol
Nov 05 09:15:20 <zlimvos> mohammad: closed? like discontinued?
Nov 05 09:15:33 <MohammadAG51> no, like closed source
Nov 05 09:16:02 <ieatlint> i believe most of the osso stuff is parts of the hildon ui
Nov 05 09:16:22 <MohammadAG51> well, not most of them
Nov 05 09:16:25 <MohammadAG51> hildon is open
Nov 05 09:16:45 <ieatlint> well, i'm often wrong :P
Nov 05 09:17:46 <zlimvos> thanks both :)
Nov 05 09:29:16 * wazd 's going slightly mad
Nov 05 09:35:26 <RobbieThe1st> Anyone here have SSH and usb networking working?
Nov 05 09:35:48 <MohammadAG51> yeah
Nov 05 09:36:13 <RobbieThe1st> Might you be willing to test something for me in a bit?
Nov 05 09:37:03 <ieatlint> i should be available to
Nov 05 09:37:35 <RobbieThe1st> Great. But, not quite yet - I still have a couple bugs to be worked out.
Nov 05 09:49:04 <fish_sticks> can anyone tell me if I can play movies on my N900 by not copying them into it.use ssh or something to get it from my PC using wifi?
Nov 05 09:51:08 <ieatlint> fish_sticks: yes, it's possible... although over ssh is not the best solution
Nov 05 09:51:19 <fish_sticks> ieatlint: how can I do that then?
Nov 05 09:51:45 <ieatlint> simplest is using a dlna/upnp server/client ... as i recall, there's at least one client in the extras repos
Nov 05 09:51:59 <ieatlint> forget its name... and it won't be very reliable, or work with all kinds of video
Nov 05 09:52:07 <fish_sticks> ieatlint: can you tell me a bit more?
Nov 05 09:52:18 <SwedeMike> FireFly|n900: I usually just copy them over usb.
Nov 05 09:52:33 <SwedeMike> FireFly|n900: put the n900 in mass storage mode and copy it from the pc
Nov 05 09:53:35 <ieatlint> uh, i'll take a quick look for the client i'm thinking off... it may have a getting started guide for you, but i'm afraid i can't walk you through it
Nov 05 09:53:45 <fish_sticks> thats okay
Nov 05 09:53:52 <fish_sticks> just give me a name.I'll figure it out myself
Nov 05 09:54:33 <ieatlint> actually, i'm suddenly remembering... isn't the built in media player on the n900 a dlna client?
Nov 05 09:54:52 <fish_sticks> thats what a forum just said
Nov 05 09:54:55 <X-Fade> ieatlint: yes, it is.
Nov 05 09:55:05 <ieatlint> hah
Nov 05 09:55:09 <fish_sticks> so how do I link my PC in that?
Nov 05 09:55:14 <ieatlint> fish_sticks: go look at mediatomb
Nov 05 09:55:15 <X-Fade> dlna servers show up on the main screen of mediaplayer.
Nov 05 09:55:22 <fish_sticks> okay
Nov 05 09:55:22 <ieatlint> although there are several different dlna servers
Nov 05 09:55:30 <ieatlint> and mediatomb may not be best for you
Nov 05 09:55:34 <fish_sticks> so I need to setup the server on my PC?
Nov 05 09:55:49 <X-Fade> windows mediaplayer works also as dlna server.
Nov 05 09:55:54 <fish_sticks> on linux
Nov 05 09:55:56 <fish_sticks> ubuntu actually
Nov 05 09:56:31 <X-Fade> mediatomb, rygel.
Nov 05 09:57:07 <fish_sticks> these are the clients for linux?
Nov 05 09:57:09 <fish_sticks> X-Fade:
Nov 05 09:57:18 <ieatlint> mediatomb is a server
Nov 05 09:57:26 <fish_sticks> okay
Nov 05 09:57:35 <ieatlint> twonky is another one (although i think it's closed source/commercial)
Nov 05 09:57:47 <fish_sticks> okay
Nov 05 09:57:53 <fish_sticks> I'll try out mediatomb
Nov 05 09:58:06 <fish_sticks> but you were telling me it doesnt support much?
Nov 05 09:59:13 <ieatlint> well, it's at the mercy of what codecs and videos the n900 can play, and at the mercy of any wifi hiccups or other issues... also, don't expect it to support tracking (fast forward, reverse, jumping to a new time index) much
Nov 05 09:59:45 <fish_sticks> okay
Nov 05 09:59:48 <ieatlint> and of course, the video needs to have a small enough resolution/bitrate that the n900 can manage to play it smoothly
Nov 05 09:59:59 <fish_sticks> got it
Nov 05 10:00:07 <ieatlint> other options include trying to do an nfs mount :P
Nov 05 10:00:20 <ieatlint> or potentially samba/sshfs
Nov 05 10:01:21 <fish_sticks> nfs mount? ouch
Nov 05 10:01:52 <fish_sticks> mediatomb gave me this ip for the ui
Nov 05 10:02:02 <SwedeMike> for recoding stuff for n900 I've successfully used "tablet-encode" which does things with mencoder quite nicely.
Nov 05 10:02:05 <fish_sticks> but didnt get anything when I ran that on the N900
Nov 05 10:02:24 <crashanddie_> fish_sticks, mediatomb's IP detection is fail
Nov 05 10:02:38 <fish_sticks> meaning?
Nov 05 10:02:40 <crashanddie_> fish_sticks, what IP did it give?
Nov 05 10:02:55 <ilius> is backup-menu dangerous?
Nov 05 10:03:04 <fish_sticks> crashanddie_: local ip
Nov 05 10:03:07 <fish_sticks> http://192.168.0.148:49153/
Nov 05 10:03:20 <RobbieThe1st> Current version? About as much as any other program that messes with system files
Nov 05 10:03:20 <fish_sticks> its coming on the PC where I created it
Nov 05 10:03:22 <crashanddie_> fish_sticks, can you ping that IP from the N900?
Nov 05 10:03:27 <fish_sticks> trying
Nov 05 10:03:40 <crashanddie_> ilius, it used to be, I wouldn't trust it.
Nov 05 10:03:46 <ieatlint> note that you don't enter the ip into the n900... the media player will just broadcast on your lan for any dlna servers automatically
Nov 05 10:04:01 <fish_sticks> didnt get you
Nov 05 10:04:16 <RobbieThe1st> To be fair though, I removed all the bits that certain people complained(for good reason) about
Nov 05 10:04:35 <crashanddie_> RobbieThe1st, they weren't complaints
Nov 05 10:04:40 <crashanddie_> it bricked devices.
Nov 05 10:04:42 <ilius> crashanddie_: is there a stable backup tool?
Nov 05 10:04:56 <crashanddie_> ilius, for backing what up?
Nov 05 10:05:23 <ilius> osso-backup does not detect my card
Nov 05 10:05:38 <ilius> crashanddie_: rootfs
Nov 05 10:06:03 <ilius> crashanddie_: and opt
Nov 05 10:06:28 <RobbieThe1st> Either way, the thing is, -now- it's fixed(hopefully to the satisfaction of everyone involved), and does it's job -properly-. Backups seem to work cross-n900 like they should, and everything's fine
Nov 05 10:07:10 <crashanddie_> its**
Nov 05 10:07:10 <fish_sticks> crashanddie_: i can ping into it
Nov 05 10:07:29 <crashanddie_> fish_sticks, then just open media player, and ensure that MDTB is broadcasting
Nov 05 10:07:38 <fish_sticks> checking
Nov 05 10:07:59 <RobbieThe1st> Also, that's the thing - I invented backupmenu(the first version) because there was -nothing- else that'd do the same job. It's still the only thing that's out there, other than a couple of cludgy SSH backup scripts
Nov 05 10:08:26 <fish_sticks> crashanddie_: MDTB broadcasting meaning?
Nov 05 10:08:39 <fish_sticks> what do I do inside media player?videos?
Nov 05 10:08:39 <crashanddie_> mediatomb
Nov 05 10:09:02 <fish_sticks> how do I do that?
Nov 05 10:10:21 <RobbieThe1st> Either way, to be -perfectly- safe, you can just backup with BackupMenu, then restore with whatever you want: the backups are straight tar files now. As nothing gets written, there should be no chance of breaking things
Nov 05 10:11:18 <fish_sticks> crashanddie_: do I do that using the ui from that ip?
Nov 05 10:11:57 <ilius> what do you recommend for backing up rootfs and optfs?
Nov 05 10:16:52 <WakiMiko> i am trying to create a symlink in the mydocs folder, but it doesnt work. is that because of the filesystem?
Nov 05 10:17:11 <RobbieThe1st> Yea - fat32 doesn't support symlinks, IIRC
Nov 05 10:17:59 <WakiMiko> is it possible to change the fs to something more unixy or would that fuck too much up?
Nov 05 10:19:11 <ilius1> RobbieThe1st: what options is there for restoring that archives except using backup-menu?
Nov 05 10:19:11 <X-Fade> WakiMiko: You can, but then usb mass storage won't work as expected.
Nov 05 10:19:14 <RobbieThe1st> WakiMiko: In theory, yes, but you'd probably have to edit a few scripts. Look around, I'm sure someone's done it
Nov 05 10:20:10 <WakiMiko> thx i will look into it
Nov 05 10:21:17 <RobbieThe1st> ilius1: http://wiki.maemo.org/Manual_backup_and_restore is probably your best bet, along with http://metalab.at/wiki/Hack-A-N900/Usb_Recovery_Mode#Boot_into_recovery_mode
Nov 05 10:21:45 <RobbieThe1st> Though, I think you are going to have a tough time of it either way, -if- you can even figure out a way to restore your stuff.
Nov 05 10:58:16 <crashanddie_> ~ping
Nov 05 10:58:16 <infobot> ~pong
Nov 05 10:58:54 <ilius> RobbieThe1st: is it possible to apply changes (from a backup archive) to flasher image (like RX... .bin) to restore with flasher?
Nov 05 10:59:57 <RobbieThe1st> Yes and no. No, you can't edit the RX....bin, or at least not easily. However, you don't have to - You can use the -r option of flasher to specify a rootfs image directly
Nov 05 11:00:43 <RobbieThe1st> If you have a tar file of your rootfs, you can make that into a flashable image by following the instructions here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 (halfway down the page)
Nov 05 11:01:08 <RobbieThe1st> Note that it requires a Linux PC, or at least your N900 and mtd-utils from extras-devel/testing
Nov 05 11:02:36 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Nov 05 11:02:44 <Jaffa> MohammadAG51: Correct. My initials ;-)
Nov 05 11:02:49 <crashanddie_> morning Jaffa
Nov 05 11:02:50 <RobbieThe1st> Also, just incase you might be thinking about it, -don't- use DD to make an image of the rootfs. Yes, it will flash and (usually) boot, but it can also brick n900s.
Nov 05 11:03:09 <crashanddie_> s/can/will/
Nov 05 11:05:18 <RobbieThe1st> Whatever - Mine isn't bricked(yet), and I know a number of people  - against my wishes, mind you - who are still using that method and risking bricking. But what can I do?
Nov 05 11:10:57 <RobbieThe1st> <rant>So, I build a system that works. I learn months later that it can/does cause problems. I work on, and finally come up with a solution, and I'm -still- getting flack over my previous system. </rant>
Nov 05 11:15:10 <ilius> RobbieThe1st: does the tar file contain opt directory? and does flasher copy it after mapping /opt?
Nov 05 11:15:38 <RobbieThe1st> No, and that's your other problem
Nov 05 11:15:57 <RobbieThe1st> Also, you can't boot the entire OS without some files in /opt
Nov 05 11:16:22 <ilius> :(
Nov 05 11:16:23 <crashanddie_> yeah, RobbieThe1st, you bricked fucking devices
Nov 05 11:16:29 <crashanddie_> that's device with a plural s
Nov 05 11:16:30 <RobbieThe1st> The orig. rootfs seems to have a compressed version of all /opt files and a "first run" script which extracts, and then deletes them
Nov 05 11:16:54 <RobbieThe1st> crashanddie_: And I still don't know who these supposed bricked people are!
Nov 05 11:17:24 <crashanddie_> you are not entitled to rant, you are entitled to shut the fuck up, and not try to make things sound like they weren't bad. You uncovered a major issue, and made it clear as day: so thanks for that.
Nov 05 11:17:56 <crashanddie_> you fixed your mistake, and trust me, we _are_ grateful for your reactivity in that matter
Nov 05 11:18:42 <crashanddie_> But don't feel insulted when people don't trust your applications.
Nov 05 11:20:51 <RobbieThe1st> The only thing I'm upset about is that you, personally, warned someone off, even -knowing- that the issue caused before was fixed. It's one thing to talk about bugs, or current problems... But basing an argument on something you know not to be true? Yea, it does upset me a little.
Nov 05 11:21:39 <RobbieThe1st> Now, that may have come off a little harsh, and if so I apologize, but...
Nov 05 11:23:06 <MohammadAG51> RobbieThe1st, one of those people is me
Nov 05 11:23:29 <RobbieThe1st> I thought you got it going again?
Nov 05 11:23:48 <MohammadAG51> i did, but it wasn't something the average noob can do
Nov 05 11:23:52 * ilius confused
Nov 05 11:24:20 <MohammadAG51> a normal person isn't expected to have ubuntu and a custom kernel to ignore mtds at bootup
Nov 05 11:24:37 <MohammadAG51> (and mtd-utils to wipe his NAND)
Nov 05 11:25:05 <pigeon> hmm
Nov 05 11:25:08 <MohammadAG51> now, I would test your app, but i have too many things to restore in case it doesn't work
Nov 05 11:25:22 <RobbieThe1st> ilius: About 6 months ago, I released an application that used DD to backup and restore system images. The rootfs, I learned later, ends up backing up with bad blocks on it, and the restore screws things up due to that
Nov 05 11:25:43 <MohammadAG51> RobbieThe1st, you can keep dd for /opt
Nov 05 11:25:47 <MohammadAG51> well, /home
Nov 05 11:26:26 <RobbieThe1st> Yea, I could - I ended up using tar for both though, and it seems to be a better solution anyway
Nov 05 11:26:46 <pigeon> not sure if it's a 1.3 thing, but i just notice my n900 keyboard light is always on, even when it's closed, or the screen is locked.
Nov 05 11:27:10 <pigeon> or at least, the left and right lights of the keyboard
Nov 05 11:27:23 <pigeon> when i open the keyboard, those in the middles are on too.
Nov 05 11:27:30 <chem|st> pigeon: erhm wtf?
Nov 05 11:27:41 <RobbieThe1st> ilius: Three months ago, I get an email from Andrew on the council telling me that my app's bricking people's n900s. Up until that point, I had no clue that it did anything worse than not restore right for some people. I came in here, and learned how, why, and what not to do.
Nov 05 11:27:57 <pigeon> oh wait, could it be because i have turned on some rd flags?
Nov 05 11:28:11 <lcuk> yes
Nov 05 11:28:23 <chem|st> pigeon: what I had last night was that the screen did not lock when I just opened and closed the slide from locked state
Nov 05 11:28:33 <chem|st> pigeon: yes
Nov 05 11:28:46 <RobbieThe1st> ilius: I then spent a month or so fixing things, and came out with a new version that was "safer", better, and -seems- to work for -all- n900s, no issues, and have spent the last couple months working on and improving that. So there's my story
Nov 05 11:28:46 <pigeon> ah right, my fault then, i switched on some rd mode flags while trying to rescue my half pr1.3 upgrade.
Nov 05 11:28:51 <chem|st> pigeon: thats an rd indicator now you mention it
Nov 05 11:28:54 * pigeon kicks myself a bit.
Nov 05 11:28:57 <pigeon> thanks.
Nov 05 11:29:50 <ilius> RobbieThe1st: hmmm
Nov 05 11:29:53 <chem|st> I'd like to have a keyboard VUmeter... :(
Nov 05 11:30:09 <lcuk> chem|st, speak to MohammadAG51
Nov 05 11:30:16 <pigeon> i couldn't free up enough disk space for ota upgrade, so i manually aptitude install (upgrade) some (big) packages, until it thinks it doesn't need as much.
Nov 05 11:30:24 <chem|st> lcuk: thought it did not work that well...
Nov 05 11:30:41 <chem|st> MohammadAG51: does your kbd-VUmeter finally work?
Nov 05 11:30:44 <RobbieThe1st> MohammadAG51: Since you know such things, I've got a question for you - I've been rebooting my n900 from the terminal with 'reboot'. One day, out of the blue, it won't boot anymore - reboot loop. It turns out optfs got partially corrupted, and the files that got restored were tracker/thumbnailer files.
Nov 05 11:30:54 <ilius> RobbieThe1st: thank you :)
Nov 05 11:31:00 <RobbieThe1st> MohammadAG51: Any idea -why- this might have happened?
Nov 05 11:31:05 <RobbieThe1st> ilius: NP.
Nov 05 11:31:16 <SpeedEvil> Does reboot reboot immediately?
Nov 05 11:31:45 <chem|st> RobbieThe1st: anything corrupting the files preventing tracker to start turns in to reboot
Nov 05 11:32:06 <RobbieThe1st> Well, yea, I know - but what caused the corruption in the first place?
Nov 05 11:32:35 <chem|st> RobbieThe1st: what did you do before that?
Nov 05 11:32:38 <SpeedEvil> Does reboot reboot immediateely?
Nov 05 11:32:39 <RobbieThe1st> I -thought- reboot would reboot after making everything quit, do a sync, then close the FS properly.
Nov 05 11:32:43 <ilius> oh i used reboot many times!!! i will never use it then
Nov 05 11:32:52 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: yes
Nov 05 11:32:58 <SpeedEvil> Or does it take a large fraction of a minute
Nov 05 11:33:23 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: well, depends on tasks to stop as on any system
Nov 05 11:33:28 <RobbieThe1st> The same thing I did on the last 10 reboots that day; connect to usb, copy a couple files over, disconnect, open the terminal, copy those files to rootfs, reboot
Nov 05 11:33:40 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: it is not a reset button command
Nov 05 11:33:51 <RobbieThe1st> I'd been doing that for a couple of months, literally, no issues.
Nov 05 11:34:32 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: that makes me think of sending reset button events is not a system call it is direct hardware at desktops
Nov 05 11:34:58 <chem|st> RobbieThe1st: windows?
Nov 05 11:35:09 <SpeedEvil> Yeah - if it's actually just immediately uncleanly rebooting the device, that can corrupt files.
Nov 05 11:35:37 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: afaik there is nothing like a software reset button
Nov 05 11:35:49 <RobbieThe1st> chem|st: ?
Nov 05 11:36:37 <chem|st> RobbieThe1st: i killed several pendrives or the second and third not I killed but nvm, because of unplugging while in use
Nov 05 11:37:12 <chem|st> RobbieThe1st: unsync device unplugged can cause trouble
Nov 05 11:37:32 <chem|st> windows or linux does not matter
Nov 05 11:37:48 <chem|st> even if you did not write to that file
Nov 05 11:38:02 <RobbieThe1st> But wait... optfs isn't mountable
Nov 05 11:38:26 <RobbieThe1st> myDocs was what I mounted via usb, and I unmounted it before unplugging the usb
Nov 05 11:38:52 <RobbieThe1st> myDocs corruption... Yea, that'd be understandable. But OptFS corruption?
Nov 05 11:39:08 <chem|st> where is optfs
Nov 05 11:39:39 <SpeedEvil> If you actually power off while the MMC is in the process of a write, unexpected things can happen.
Nov 05 11:39:53 <RobbieThe1st>  /home, /etc/mmcblk0p2 and it's ext2
Nov 05 11:39:54 <chem|st> RobbieThe1st: and it does not matter
Nov 05 11:39:59 <SpeedEvil> I would not expect cross-filesystem corruption usually
Nov 05 11:40:26 <chem|st> RobbieThe1st: I have corrupted /rootfs on my desktop every now and then after booting into windows
Nov 05 11:40:27 <SpeedEvil> Just unplugging while writing to mydocs via USB should do nothing
Nov 05 11:40:32 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: I do
Nov 05 11:40:43 <SpeedEvil> It may corrupt the mydocs FS - sure.
Nov 05 11:40:52 <SpeedEvil> But nothing else.
Nov 05 11:41:07 <RobbieThe1st> I'm more wondering what (glitch) caused it? Is it some random glitch, or, like, reboot not unmounting disks before shutdown..?
Nov 05 11:41:12 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: as I jsut said ^^
Nov 05 11:42:18 <chem|st> RobbieThe1st: oh that might be an issue, if the reboot does do something like locking partition table and you wrote it anyways
Nov 05 11:42:19 <SpeedEvil> chem|st: I don't see how.
Nov 05 11:43:10 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: I do not either, it is windows I expect anything but not that it touches an off limits filesystem without any reason
Nov 05 11:44:06 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: and you don't know what any random stupid-head thought while coding handler exceptions for usb devices
Nov 05 11:45:25 <RobbieThe1st> Ok, so there's no real consensus on what caused it; I'll chalk it up to cosmic rays unless I see a repeat
Nov 05 11:45:44 <SpeedEvil> chem|st: If it can, it's clearly a bug.
Nov 05 11:45:56 <ilius> RobbieThe1st: why backup-menu is still in extras-devel and doed not go to extras-testing?
Nov 05 11:46:00 <SpeedEvil> chem|st: that is - any external device write outside the allocated FS
Nov 05 11:46:20 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: MS Windows is a bug!
Nov 05 11:46:31 <RobbieThe1st> ilius: If you check the topic, I've been adding extra features, improving the "surrounding" code and such every few days
Nov 05 11:46:38 <SpeedEvil> chem|st: that is quite irrelevant.
Nov 05 11:46:40 <RobbieThe1st> I just uploaded a new version an hour ago
Nov 05 11:46:55 <SpeedEvil> chem|st: the issue is if windows can have any access to /home
Nov 05 11:47:04 <SpeedEvil> chem|st: absenting a bug on the n900 side, it can't.
Nov 05 11:47:17 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: true
Nov 05 11:47:24 <RobbieThe1st> Next question: I'm running from a ramdisk, the rootfs, optfs and all other FS's are unmounted. I can use the g_file_storage module to provide USB access to the Optfs, MyDocs and SD card. Any way to use it to give access to the Rootfs?
Nov 05 11:47:33 <ilius> RobbieThe1st: at least one stable version should be exist in extra-testing
Nov 05 11:47:35 <SpeedEvil> RobbieThe1st: Another issue might be if tracker will ever not shutdown cleanly if it happens to write from files.
Nov 05 11:47:48 <SpeedEvil> RobbieThe1st: if it happens to be writing files.
Nov 05 11:48:08 <SpeedEvil> RobbieThe1st: does it ever shutdown in an inconsistent state, leading to not being recoverable.
Nov 05 11:48:52 <RobbieThe1st> ilius: Yes, it should, but I haven't been happy with it until about now. Things didn't -quite- work(non backup stuff almost always). If this version works out, it may very well go into extras-testing
Nov 05 11:49:11 <RobbieThe1st> SpeedEvil: Damn that stupid tracker!
Nov 05 11:49:13 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: I have no idea what could cause that but I know that windows does evil things to my ext partitions when I am not looking! funny is that I was not able to reboot from linux to windows or the way back for a long time, system crashed in both ways... windows bluescreened and linux panic'ed
Nov 05 11:50:08 <RobbieThe1st> chem|st: That actually happened to me once - I had a linux install, a windows install... I used my windows install constantly, tried to boot up my linux install a month or two later and got kernel panic.
Nov 05 11:50:51 <fish_sticks> thanks guys.Mediatomb worked.streaming issues though.
Nov 05 11:52:18 <chem|st> RobbieThe1st: I learned that both systems used to leave stuff in ram and that my motherboard does not flash it on reboot (feature!!!!)
Nov 05 11:52:47 <SpeedEvil> chem|st: this is irrelevant - windows does not have access to the /home/ block device. It is not able to access it at all when plugged in via USB unless you do something strange.
Nov 05 11:52:52 <RobbieThe1st> Huh; so doing a cold-boot would fix the problem?
Nov 05 11:53:04 <chem|st> hibernate is another evil thing
Nov 05 11:53:25 <RobbieThe1st> SpeedEvil: More than that, I'm using Linux on my desktop, -and- it's not even accessible there
Nov 05 11:53:49 <RobbieThe1st> Because it's mounted by maemo, for one
Nov 05 11:53:54 <chem|st> RobbieThe1st: cold boot did fix it for my desktop
Nov 05 11:54:29 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: I know but it is the same hardware device
Nov 05 11:54:34 <SpeedEvil> chem|st: no, it's not.
Nov 05 11:54:46 <SpeedEvil> chem|st: Windows is not exposed to the hardware.
Nov 05 11:55:06 <SpeedEvil> chem|st: Windows is exposed to a fake block device that the linux kernel maps onto the real block device.
Nov 05 11:55:08 <ilius> chem|st: never mount linux important partitions in windows as rw
Nov 05 11:55:09 <ilius> chem|st: use ext2fsd in read-only
Nov 05 11:55:19 <chem|st> ok so where does windows get the partition table from?
Nov 05 11:55:25 <SpeedEvil> chem|st: it's fake
Nov 05 11:55:52 <chem|st> ilius: never mounted my / to windows
Nov 05 11:56:11 <RobbieThe1st> ilius: I'd say the same thing vice-versa; even though there -is- good write-support on Linux for NTFS, after a few months you will end up with a fragmented, un-defragmentable NTFS volume.
Nov 05 11:56:17 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: it is so fake that windows cannot write it?
Nov 05 11:56:29 <RobbieThe1st> (Security descriptors get shoved after every file, and defrag won't move em)
Nov 05 11:56:55 <SpeedEvil> Actually - no.
Nov 05 11:57:01 <SpeedEvil> there is no filesystem
Nov 05 11:57:03 <SpeedEvil> err
Nov 05 11:57:06 <chem|st> ilius: I mount a single patition with ext3 on both sides and thats it
Nov 05 11:57:07 <SpeedEvil> there is no partition table
Nov 05 11:57:21 <SpeedEvil>  /dev/sdc is just a big floppy
Nov 05 11:57:50 <SpeedEvil> err
Nov 05 11:58:15 <SpeedEvil> ok - nvm - I got a error
Nov 05 11:58:19 <SpeedEvil> So I can't check
Nov 05 11:58:37 <SpeedEvil> but fdisk -l /dev/whatever on the desktop when in mass storage mode.
Nov 05 11:58:48 <SpeedEvil> It's not the real partition table
Nov 05 11:59:06 * ilius reboot for testing backup-menu
Nov 05 11:59:15 <RobbieThe1st> Keyboard open, mind
Nov 05 11:59:18 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: I know that it is an looped/extraced whatever
Nov 05 11:59:56 <RobbieThe1st> Well, I've got to go. I'll talk to you guys tomorrow.
Nov 05 12:00:17 <RobbieThe1st> Gees, I've been up for an hour more than I should. Talking to you guys is interesting, to say the least.
Nov 05 12:01:22 <SpeedEvil> :wave
Nov 05 12:23:58 <ilius> how ro run backup-manu (instead of booting) without connecting to PC?
Nov 05 12:27:55 <ilius> RobbieThe1st: how ro run backup-manu (instead of booting) without connecting to PC?
Nov 05 13:18:29 <ilius> # mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /card
Nov 05 13:18:30 <ilius> mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk1p1 on /card failed: Invalid argument
Nov 05 13:18:46 <ilius> what is this damn error?
Nov 05 13:18:57 <SpeedEvil> does /card exist
Nov 05 13:19:09 <ilius> yes
Nov 05 13:19:46 <SpeedEvil> Is mmcblk1p1 listed in /proc/partitions?
Nov 05 13:19:59 <ilius> yes
Nov 05 13:20:01 <alterego> SpeedEvil: yes
Nov 05 13:20:14 <alterego> oh wait, you're troubleshooting ;)
Nov 05 13:22:45 <ilius> ~ping
Nov 05 13:22:45 <infobot> ~pong
Nov 05 13:23:15 <SpeedEvil> ilius: You're sure it's a valid filesystem?
Nov 05 13:24:23 <ilius> SpeedEvil: backup-menu did mount it
Nov 05 13:24:41 <ilius> SpeedEvil: and myself in linux pc
Nov 05 13:25:40 <SpeedEvil> Odd.
Nov 05 13:25:49 <SpeedEvil> I see the same result, and am unsure why
Nov 05 13:26:31 <ilius> SpeedEvil: and the error is silly
Nov 05 13:27:07 <SpeedEvil> oh
Nov 05 13:27:21 <SpeedEvil> I had to explicitly specify FS type
Nov 05 13:28:07 <SpeedEvil> mount /dev/... /card -t ext2 works fin
Nov 05 13:28:09 <ilius> oh yes
Nov 05 13:28:30 <ilius> mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /card -t vfat
Nov 05 13:28:38 <ilius> works
Nov 05 13:31:06 <alterego> btw, this is probably the best command for normalized mount points: cat /proc/mounts | awk '{print $1 " " $2}'
Nov 05 13:31:47 <alterego> Though, you could replace cat /proc/mounts with just mount
Nov 05 13:32:21 <alterego> but then you'd need $3 instead of $2
Nov 05 13:36:07 <ilius> alterego: thanks
Nov 05 13:39:14 <ilius> SpeedEvil: how you was using sd card?
Nov 05 13:40:04 <ilius> SpeedEvil: it says to me: memory card format unsupported
Nov 05 13:41:07 <SpeedEvil> I wasn't really - it's only a gig - I had it setup as swap
Nov 05 13:41:59 <ilius> SpeedEvil: hmmm
Nov 05 13:46:10 <X-Fade> Lol, listening to an mp3 stream over wifi with nokia charger attached uses more power than it charges.
Nov 05 13:47:15 <SpeedEvil> With the screen on?
Nov 05 13:47:16 <ccooke> X-Fade: you probably have something installed that's eating CPU
Nov 05 13:47:21 <SpeedEvil> I can believe that.
Nov 05 13:47:22 <SpeedEvil> oh
Nov 05 13:47:24 <SpeedEvil> wall charger
Nov 05 13:47:26 <SpeedEvil> shouldn't
Nov 05 13:47:35 <SpeedEvil> USB - yes - with screen at brightest
Nov 05 13:47:39 <ccooke> it's definitely possible to use more power than the wall charger supplies
Nov 05 13:47:41 <SpeedEvil> sure you're on wifi not 3g?
Nov 05 13:48:30 <X-Fade> Yeah, weird. I listened to stream for a while the battery went down to 30%, connected charger and after an hour orso it is at 19%.
Nov 05 13:48:44 <ccooke> (3.5G internet, providing access to the net for four laptops via wifi, while taking a picture every 15 seconds *with the screen on*, for instance.
Nov 05 13:48:49 <lcuk> X-Fade, screen lit up like a christmas tree?
Nov 05 13:49:02 <X-Fade> lcuk: Of course. I need to see the song titles :)
Nov 05 13:49:05 <lcuk> ie: turn brightness down or off if you arent using it :P
Nov 05 13:49:26 <lcuk> X-Fade, of course you might have other things happening
Nov 05 13:49:31 <X-Fade> Well it is nice and hot.
Nov 05 13:49:35 <lcuk> cos i run lots whilst in from usb only
Nov 05 13:49:40 <korhojoa> huh
Nov 05 13:49:52 <korhojoa> i had my phone plugged in overnight to charge
Nov 05 13:50:05 <korhojoa> and i wondered why it was dead and empty in the morning
Nov 05 13:50:27 <korhojoa> turns out that damn thumbnailer had pegged io and cpu at 100 again
Nov 05 13:52:51 <MohammadAG51> hmm, is the N900 aimed for 2010 or 2011?
Nov 05 13:53:00 <Appiah> ?
Nov 05 13:53:24 <kerio> MohammadAG51: depends on how fast you throw it
Nov 05 13:53:54 <MohammadAG51> err, N9
Nov 05 13:53:56 <lcuk> what is the point in having a flux capacitor in hardware if theres no damned linux driver to use it \@/
Nov 05 13:54:23 <GAN900> MohammadAG, 2011, now, apparently.
Nov 05 13:54:49 <GAN900> Nokia's continued competence with release targets continues to amaze.
Nov 05 13:55:00 <kerio> 2010 is not over yet!
Nov 05 13:55:02 <ajf_> I'm looking on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php, but I can't see a UK version of PR 1.3.. has one been released yet?
Nov 05 13:55:03 <MohammadAG51> GAN900, which quarter?
Nov 05 13:55:13 <MohammadAG51> ajf_, no, flash global
Nov 05 13:55:21 <GAN900> MohammadAG, who knows.
Nov 05 13:55:34 <GAN900> kerio, new CEO says it's a 2011 product.
Nov 05 13:55:46 <GAN900> So, probably Q4
Nov 05 13:55:46 <kerio> what the hell does the CEO know about
Nov 05 13:56:05 <Appiah> money?
Nov 05 13:56:11 <kerio> N9 != money
Nov 05 13:56:16 <GAN900> Since we want to make sure all of the existing contributors are burnt out by the time we release.
Nov 05 13:56:22 <Appiah> N9 wont make any money for Nokia? oh my
Nov 05 13:56:31 <kerio> the N9 *isn't* money
Nov 05 13:56:33 <ajf_> thanks MohammadAG51, is there any important difference in the UK release
Nov 05 13:56:38 <kerio> because it's a phone
Nov 05 13:56:39 <GAN900> No dirty Maemo shit on our MeeGo.
Nov 05 13:56:50 <MohammadAG51> ajf_, nope, other than being a UK release
Nov 05 13:57:32 <MohammadAG51> GAN900, ha
Nov 05 13:58:53 <kerio> GAN900: so meego is not going to use busybox? :DDDDDDDDDD
Nov 05 13:58:57 <MohammadAG51> someone (or two) are thinking of getting an N900
Nov 05 13:59:36 <GAN900> kerio, busybox has nothing to do with Maemo.
Nov 05 13:59:51 <kerio> busybox is part of maemo *and* shit
Nov 05 13:59:54 <kerio> it qualifies
Nov 05 14:00:14 <alterego> I wonder if he really means that or thinks Harmatten is different
Nov 05 14:00:56 <alterego> Harmattan even ..
Nov 05 14:01:22 <kerio> i really mean that?
Nov 05 14:01:27 <kerio> of course i do
Nov 05 14:01:36 <kerio> busybox is shit
Nov 05 14:02:21 <_chun> Hi there; trying to get wireshark working on my n900. I've set wlan0 to monitor mode with iwconfig, but it doesn't seem to be picking up a lot of traffic ... any tips?#
Nov 05 14:02:48 <GAN900> Harmattan has nothing to do with MeeGo!
Nov 05 14:03:02 <alterego> GAN900: exactly, and isn't that the N9?
Nov 05 14:03:14 <alterego> N910 then? :D
Nov 05 14:03:26 <GAN900> Harmattan is completely new and unrelated to any previous efforts by Nokia or any other company.
Nov 05 14:03:46 <alterego> It's built on maemo
Nov 05 14:03:51 <GAN900> It's also a revolution
Nov 05 14:03:54 <GAN900> Lies.
Nov 05 14:04:00 <GAN900> Nokia is so suing you
Nov 05 14:04:06 <alterego> Completely new ux based on Qt and MTF :P
Nov 05 14:04:18 <GAN900> Also: Qt kernel.
Nov 05 14:05:06 <alterego> It's the OS Chuck Norris uses in his anal dildo range
Nov 05 14:05:09 <kerio> Qt - reimplementing the implemented!
Nov 05 14:05:42 <alterego> I tested my FFT implementation today using audacity to test frequency accuracy
Nov 05 14:06:06 <alterego> deafened my self in my left ear because my volume was on full and I had that head phone in.
Nov 05 14:06:23 <alterego> On the plus side, I'm about 1hz out
Nov 05 14:06:25 <GAN900> Ouch
Nov 05 14:06:37 <Jartza> hmmh
Nov 05 14:06:44 <Jartza> another strange thing
Nov 05 14:06:58 <alterego> So I should be able to use that code to tune my guitar now ^.^
Nov 05 14:07:11 <Jartza> my wifi-indicator keeps on "blinking" although wifi is connected and working fine
Nov 05 14:07:21 <alterego> And I'll then use it to write my guitar tuner app :D
Nov 05 14:07:38 <Jartza> only the indicator indicates that it's still "connecting"
Nov 05 14:08:55 <alterego> bbl
Nov 05 14:20:31 <[PG]Aex> Elo, anyone here?
Nov 05 14:21:40 <tybollt> nope, noone here
Nov 05 14:21:47 <[PG]Aex> -.-
Nov 05 14:24:06 <[PG]Aex> Found this thingie "Java now available on the N900 via the icedTea6 version of OpenJDK(tm) in extras. Check your Application Manager for "icedTea6" to install." but can't find it in the app manager, got any clue why?
Nov 05 14:24:28 <chem|st> kerio: if there is a N9 this year it wont get meego! so if n8 is the last nseries dev with symbian I am wondering what n9 would get if prepped for this year
Nov 05 14:24:57 <cehteh> android :P
Nov 05 14:25:11 <cehteh> windows 7 mobile!
Nov 05 14:25:25 <pw> yeah!
Nov 05 14:27:11 <GAN900> They're probably delaying so they can port Android.
Nov 05 14:28:11 <lcuk> i see you are in a wonderfully happy mood today GAN900.  did local mcdonalds run out of happy meals?
Nov 05 14:28:33 <GAN900> MeeGo conference is just an excuse to round us all up. :P
Nov 05 14:28:59 <lardman|home> afternoon all
Nov 05 14:29:07 <psycho_oreos> not all of us, just the ones interested in meego development
Nov 05 14:29:10 <chem|st> GAN900: there will be bulk execution near the fence in dub...
Nov 05 14:30:01 <GAN900> chem|st, nah, they're gonna make us write Symbian^4 apps Clockwork Orange-style.
Nov 05 14:30:24 <[PG]Aex> So anyone else able to find this IcedTea6 in their app manager?
Nov 05 14:30:32 <chem|st> GAN900: no develop meego 1.2 in 4 days
Nov 05 14:30:49 <chem|st> to release n9 right after the brake
Nov 05 14:31:11 <chem|st> [PG]Aex: I do not even want to
Nov 05 14:31:23 <[PG]Aex> ;< Need java
Nov 05 14:31:35 <chem|st> [PG]Aex: have you turned on devel testing or just extras?
Nov 05 14:32:51 <[PG]Aex> Whats that? (complete scrub)
Nov 05 14:32:57 <chem|st> [PG]Aex: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/icedtea6/
Nov 05 14:33:48 <khertan> Hello all !
Nov 05 14:34:08 <chem|st> [PG]Aex: would you mind to search for something? I entered icedtea and klicked ok button and the only search result was this package!
Nov 05 14:34:48 <[PG]Aex> Well found this "Java now available on the N900 via the icedTea6 version of OpenJDK(tm) in extras. Check your Application Manager for "icedTea6" to install. "
Nov 05 14:34:54 <chem|st> [PG]Aex: use your n900 to open the link and press the install button
Nov 05 14:34:55 <[PG]Aex> so figure it'll be in there
Nov 05 14:35:05 <[PG]Aex> but yeah, cheers mon
Nov 05 14:36:18 <MohammadAG> what's the best sound recording app?
Nov 05 14:36:22 <chem|st> [PG]Aex: go HAM->Download->All and start typing iced... and it will show up if you setup the maemo.org repositroy
Nov 05 14:36:45 <chem|st> MohammadAG: internal or mic?
Nov 05 14:37:09 <[PG]Aex> yeah thats what i did but didn't show up, so went to my browser and entered the link you sent insted
Nov 05 14:37:10 <[PG]Aex> so got it
Nov 05 14:37:54 <chem|st> [PG]Aex: you did not have the aplication catalogue setup then I guess?
Nov 05 14:38:27 <[PG]Aex> If i go to catalogue's it says maemo.org is in there, so dno whats wrong
Nov 05 14:38:58 <MohammadAG> chem|st, internal mic :P
Nov 05 14:39:17 <lardman|home> is numpy in a repo somewhere?
Nov 05 14:39:24 <chem|st> MohammadAG: there is recorder and speech recorder
Nov 05 14:39:37 <MohammadAG> what's the difference chem|st ?
Nov 05 14:39:45 <MohammadAG> lardman|home, python-numpy?
Nov 05 14:39:53 <lardman|home> yep
Nov 05 14:39:57 <GAN900> lardman|home, when are you flying in?
Nov 05 14:40:04 <lardman|home> I'm not
Nov 05 14:40:05 <chem|st> MohammadAG: recaller is a freaking ram-leaking python widget and I do not recommend any python widgets yet
Nov 05 14:40:24 <lardman|home> GAN900: I doubt my passport will be back in time, plus am rather busy
Nov 05 14:40:27 <lardman|home> sorry!
Nov 05 14:40:39 <GAN900> lardman|home, not going?
Nov 05 14:40:59 <chem|st> MohammadAG: dont know I use recorder so far just enough for easy to use
Nov 05 14:41:11 <lardman|home> MohammadAG: thanks for the correct name :)
Nov 05 14:41:18 <lardman|home> GAN900: no, I don't think so
Nov 05 14:41:23 <GAN900> Damn
Nov 05 14:41:28 <chem|st> [PG]Aex: mmhkay
Nov 05 14:41:56 <lardman|home> GAN900: I had a meeting that day, so didn't apply for sponsorship and now my passport needs to go off to get a visa for India so I can't be sure I'll have it back in time anyway
Nov 05 14:42:01 <MohammadAG> chem|st, is the quality of recorder good?
Nov 05 14:42:15 <lardman|home> so my meeting is cancelled, but I don't think I'll be able to make it anyway
Nov 05 14:43:03 <GAN900> Conference quality seems to be declining by the minute here. ;)
Nov 05 14:44:07 <chem|st> MohammadAG: 22kHz at 16bit mono and quality is good for speech recording
Nov 05 14:44:33 <chem|st> MohammadAG: output is wav,
Nov 05 14:45:25 <MohammadAG> weird, N900 stuck in flashing mode
Nov 05 14:46:06 <chem|st> MohammadAG: but I tried to record a song snippet and that did not go well
Nov 05 14:46:19 <MohammadAG> hmm
Nov 05 14:46:37 <MohammadAG> I wonder if a USB mic works with the stock kernel drivers
Nov 05 14:46:42 <chem|st> was to loud
Nov 05 14:47:02 <MohammadAG> oh
Nov 05 14:47:11 <MohammadAG> it's just speech, an interview
Nov 05 14:47:24 <chem|st> for that it is very good,
Nov 05 14:47:47 <chem|st> I think pointing the mic hole to something is not a good idea
Nov 05 14:47:59 <chem|st> but have it sitting on a table should be ok
Nov 05 14:48:18 * lardman|home starts building matplotlib
Nov 05 14:48:19 <MohammadAG> excellent, just what I need
Nov 05 14:48:54 <lcuk> lardman|home, \o oh hai
Nov 05 14:49:01 <lcuk> how long are you in india for?
Nov 05 14:49:09 <chem|st> MohammadAG: did your kbdVUmeter work?
Nov 05 14:49:18 <lardman|home> hi lcuk, only a week
Nov 05 14:49:27 <MohammadAG> chem|st, still haven't reached that level of programming :P
Nov 05 14:49:47 <lardman|home> lcuk: assuming I can get the correct letters, etc., together for the business visa
Nov 05 14:49:48 <lcuk> MohammadAG, theres a few different people looking at audio processing
Nov 05 14:50:04 <MohammadAG> lcuk, KotC and pupnik_ ?
Nov 05 14:50:09 <lcuk> tie in what you know with keylights with one of the frequencies from alterego's fft or something :P
Nov 05 14:50:20 <MohammadAG> fft?
Nov 05 14:50:21 <lcuk> MohammadAG, i was thinking alterego since he has used qt which you are comfortable with
Nov 05 14:50:36 <chem|st> lcuk: who as I want to get PA controls and am close to port the gtk tools from debian if no lightning hits in
Nov 05 14:50:51 <MohammadAG> I'm open to other languages really, C/C++'s syntax is easy
Nov 05 14:51:10 <MohammadAG> I thought it was a bit harder back in July
Nov 05 14:51:13 <lcuk> MohammadAG, then talk with kot
Nov 05 14:51:20 <lcuk> should be simples
Nov 05 14:51:55 * MohammadAG needs gsleep in a separate package
Nov 05 14:52:09 <MohammadAG> depending on coreutils-gnu is an overkill for one binary
Nov 05 14:54:58 <lardman|home> are there any docs about specifically for debianising a python setup.py build/install type package?
Nov 05 14:55:27 <MohammadAG> python setup.py bdist_dumb?
Nov 05 14:55:31 <MohammadAG> or whatever it's called
Nov 05 14:55:34 <MohammadAG> then use pypackager
Nov 05 14:55:41 <lardman|home> hmm
Nov 05 14:55:44 <khertan> chem|st, the problem isn't recorder but the python hildon destop launcher not well writted
Nov 05 14:55:53 <lardman|home> I'll do some looking, thanks MohammadAG
Nov 05 14:56:00 <lcuk> written *
Nov 05 14:56:05 <MohammadAG> http://wiki.maemo.org/PyPackager
Nov 05 14:56:08 <khertan> or python setup.py bdist_maemo
Nov 05 14:56:19 <khertan> ^ but it s an unfinished tool
Nov 05 14:56:30 <khertan> thanks for correction lcuk
Nov 05 14:57:07 <khertan> lardman|home, http://khertan.net/articles/maemo/pypackager_howto
Nov 05 14:57:26 <lardman|home> I need to distribute the source too
Nov 05 14:57:37 <lardman|home> and it's not just a python package, it's also C++
Nov 05 14:58:04 <khertan> arg
Nov 05 14:58:17 <khertan> so i ll not suggest any of my tools :)
Nov 05 14:58:20 <lcuk> lardman|home, you could use a simple debian/ folder template and run the python bits you need from inside it
Nov 05 14:58:32 <lcuk> just as simple script format
Nov 05 14:58:35 <lardman|home> lcuk: yeah, I was just wondering if that stuff was documented somewhere?
Nov 05 14:58:54 <lardman|home> I suppose I could do that dh_make business to generate empty files
Nov 05 14:58:55 <MohammadAG> lardman|home, normal debian packaging
Nov 05 14:59:04 <lardman|home> MohammadAG: yeah, nasty stuff ;)
Nov 05 14:59:36 <MohammadAG> it's easier than python :P
Nov 05 14:59:37 <khertan> lardman, there is also : http://pypi.python.org/pypi/stdeb
Nov 05 14:59:39 <lcuk> lardman|home, yeah - i just used a minimal subset with the optify boottime stuff and tried to keep it as simple as possible
Nov 05 14:59:41 <lcuk> http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime/trees/master/debian
Nov 05 14:59:44 <khertan> MohammadAG, lol
Nov 05 15:00:56 <chem|st> khertan: yes and no python does not properly free ram even if you tell to
Nov 05 15:00:57 <MohammadAG> khertan, btw, instead of using cp in debian rules, why not switch to a debian/install file and use dh_install
Nov 05 15:01:03 <MohammadAG> suggestion for PyPackager ^
Nov 05 15:01:28 <khertan> chem|st, it does if you know how to use python properly
Nov 05 15:01:39 <khertan> MohammadAG, dh_install cannot be test on device :)
Nov 05 15:02:09 <chem|st> khertan: then most ppl dont know how ;)
Nov 05 15:02:09 <MohammadAG> ah, makes sense
Nov 05 15:02:21 <khertan> chem|st, exactly :)
Nov 05 15:02:29 <chem|st> khertan: freakshow!
Nov 05 15:03:16 <khertan> chem|st, what does it means ?
Nov 05 15:03:37 <chem|st> khertan: not only the desktop widgets eat ram, also all python programs left in background
Nov 05 15:04:13 <lardman|home> hmm, looking at how python-numpy is built was a mistake
Nov 05 15:04:15 <chem|st> khertan: all I tried, I make a large curve around python
Nov 05 15:04:40 <kerio> python <3
Nov 05 15:04:44 <pupnik_> heh chem|st - that's a german expression
Nov 05 15:04:44 <khertan> chem|st, every program let in background eat ram ... but when i see khteditor, with about 20 windows containing source code use less than 7% of ram on my n900
Nov 05 15:04:57 <chem|st> pupnik_: I know I dont know the english equi to it
Nov 05 15:05:06 <pupnik_> 'I avoid python' :)
Nov 05 15:05:08 <khertan> chem|st, i didn't notice difference with other program made with c++
Nov 05 15:05:21 <chem|st> pupnik_: ty
Nov 05 15:05:24 <ieatlint> anyone have any idea why the icon associated with .desktop file (as packaged/deployed by a .deb) would display in scratchbox but not on the phone itself?
Nov 05 15:05:32 <khertan> and when i see khweeteur running on windows also it s funny :)
Nov 05 15:05:41 <chem|st> pupnik_: then I know the expression but did not come to mind
Nov 05 15:06:10 <pupnik_> chem|st: np!  it's just fun when you can figure out someone's native language from such things! :)
Nov 05 15:06:19 <chem|st> khertan: eat in terms of leak
Nov 05 15:06:28 <khertan> i didn't notice any
Nov 05 15:06:58 <khertan> you know ... most of the program leaking memory aren't python on n900
Nov 05 15:06:59 <chem|st> pupnik_: german is not my native language but I live in germany
Nov 05 15:07:41 <lardman|home> ah setup.py install can take a --root parameters, that's nice
Nov 05 15:09:11 <chem|st> khertan: nvm I am not that into it but experienced some issues with "one" widget and some programs
Nov 05 15:11:27 <khertan> chem|st, every python widget will leak memory due to the hildon python launcher so avoid them on n900 :)
Nov 05 15:11:48 <khertan> and if a python program leak memory warn his author it should not happen
Nov 05 15:11:58 <MohammadAG> hmm
Nov 05 15:12:04 <MohammadAG> conversations app no longer saving logs
Nov 05 15:12:04 <khertan> the author probably badly write some things
Nov 05 15:12:10 <chem|st> khertan: someone else did that already ;)
Nov 05 15:12:17 <lcuk> khertan, bug number?
Nov 05 15:12:27 <lcuk> for the always leaking statement, thats pretty wild
Nov 05 15:12:36 <khertan> lcuk, lol
Nov 05 15:13:10 <lcuk> i am serious.  making such a wide reaching statement without some kind of backup is poor form
Nov 05 15:13:47 <khertan> lcuk, ask to every python developper which try to made a python widget
Nov 05 15:13:49 <chem|st> khertan: lcuk is right the only app I recognized doing that was recaller and that was noticable within hours
Nov 05 15:14:17 <khertan> chem|st, i got same problem with homeip, homefreemem
Nov 05 15:14:18 <lcuk> khertan, i am asking you specifically since you made the claim.  wheres the bug report after you noticed it and discussed with others
Nov 05 15:14:21 <khertan> which i never release
Nov 05 15:14:42 <khertan> lcuk, yep i looking for it ... i submit it a years ago :)
Nov 05 15:14:46 <lcuk> ta
Nov 05 15:14:50 <chem|st> BUT lcuk a nokian guy told me about it as known issue with python-loader
Nov 05 15:15:21 <chem|st> that was in the hildon-home bug comments somewhere
Nov 05 15:15:59 <chem|st> with stating that this is no hildon-home bug but third party
Nov 05 15:16:44 <lcuk> chem|st, sure, and having something documented to point python devs towards to make sure they do not also fall into the trap is good
Nov 05 15:16:45 <khertan> lcuk : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8586
Nov 05 15:16:47 <povbot`> Bug 8586: hildon-desktop-python-loader does not work after installation, until device is rebooted
Nov 05 15:16:51 <lardman|home> ahh, this really is one of the things I hate about coding for the N900 - the sheer amount of effort one has to go to creating deps before you can actually get on with the main application
Nov 05 15:17:01 <lardman|home> but c'est la vie
Nov 05 15:17:05 <khertan> the wrong one
Nov 05 15:17:31 <corecode> hola
Nov 05 15:17:41 <chem|st> lcuk: they told as known
Nov 05 15:17:51 <chem|st> lcuk: I did not bother
Nov 05 15:18:07 <corecode> is there a solution to the system becoming quite unresponsive when connecting to the internet?
Nov 05 15:18:15 <corecode> somehow apt sometimes starts running
Nov 05 15:18:42 <corecode> and eats all my responsiveness
Nov 05 15:18:51 <chem|st> lcuk: and people writing scripts to "optimize" where they use "killall" on hildon-* stuff will lose my attention quiet fast!
Nov 05 15:18:57 <khertan> lcuk, anyway last time i submit something about python loader I was told to fuck off
Nov 05 15:19:24 <khertan> corecode, or maybe an app that connect and retrieve data
Nov 05 15:19:30 <chem|st> corecode: its not apt.. its apt-worker?! and that is updating your sources cache
Nov 05 15:19:35 <corecode> yea
Nov 05 15:19:37 <corecode> right
Nov 05 15:19:47 <chem|st> corecode: answer enough?
Nov 05 15:19:52 <corecode> but still makes my system unresponsive for some mintues
Nov 05 15:19:53 <corecode> no
Nov 05 15:20:00 <corecode> the question was: is there a solution to that
Nov 05 15:20:01 <lcuk> khertan, bugs.maemo.org only has 4 bugs with the phrase fuck off in them.
Nov 05 15:20:03 <chem|st> corecode: you want a solution?!
Nov 05 15:20:08 <lcuk> none of htem are related to python
Nov 05 15:20:49 <chem|st> set the update interval to something within years instead (value is minutes not seconds btw)... gconf
Nov 05 15:20:55 <lardman|home> hmm, interesting language for a bug report, /me goes to search bugs.maemo.org
Nov 05 15:20:56 <corecode> chem|st: yes, i don't want my phone to be unresponsive so that i can't even tak a call
Nov 05 15:21:15 <corecode> i wonder why it doesn't nice itself
Nov 05 15:21:30 <khertan> lcuk, hey english isn't my native language the term wasn't exactly fuck off, it was an year ago and i didn't remember it well
Nov 05 15:21:49 <khertan> this is like the diablo loader
Nov 05 15:21:57 <chem|st> corecode: I don't know about nicing apt-worker but if you find out tell me ;)
Nov 05 15:21:58 * lardman|home considers beer
Nov 05 15:21:59 <khertan> it was leaking memory on diablo
Nov 05 15:22:30 <chem|st> lardman|home: good idea... putting it on my shopping list
Nov 05 15:22:31 <khertan> and this is why i ve made my own patch and distribute it before the pymaemo team take the project and fixes memory leaks
Nov 05 15:22:46 <khertan> (and their patch was better than mine)
Nov 05 15:23:31 <khertan> lcuk, if you look you ll not see any bug report on bugzilla from me since a long time
Nov 05 15:25:00 <BCMM> there seem to be two versions of freeciv for maemo; one being an unmodified package of the SDL client, the other being a hildonied version of the gtk client
Nov 05 15:25:17 <BCMM> i can't see how to use the latter, though
Nov 05 15:26:21 <BCMM> anyone had any success? for me, it just shows the UI for starting a new game for a moment, then shows the freeciv logo
Nov 05 15:27:36 <lardman|home> bbl
Nov 05 15:29:54 <chem|st> alterego: are you capable of getting pulse to act as rtp/multicast receiver and/or sender and have interest?
Nov 05 15:49:42 <pupnik_> C Programming: Large Arrays - Malloc or Declare?  http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t317924-large-arrays-malloc-or-just-declare.html
Nov 05 16:04:15 <dreamer> hmm, url's from the terminal don't open in the default browser anymore
Nov 05 16:04:48 <dreamer> iirc I switched to a diff default browser once and now they don't open
Nov 05 16:07:02 <luke-jr_> pupnik_: dumb question?
Nov 05 16:09:19 <pupnik_> luke-jr_: if the answer is apparent then don't bother clicking
Nov 05 16:09:30 <pupnik_> if the answer isn't apparent, then a person might benefit from clicking
Nov 05 16:09:41 <pupnik_> agree?
Nov 05 16:10:52 <khertan> X-Fade, can i disturb you and ask you to look at khweeteur-experimental package, it seems to be blocked in the auto builder queue. Thx
Nov 05 16:10:53 <khertan> :)
Nov 05 16:12:03 <khertan> someone have try ff 4.0b2 on maemo ?
Nov 05 16:12:10 <pupnik_> http://www.phonearena.com/image.php?m=Reviews.Images&f=name&id=69459&caption=The+Samsung+Reality+U820+feels+comfortable+due+to+its+size+and+rounded+edges&title=Image+from+%22Samsung+Reality+U820+Review%22&popup=1  << very nice 4-row keyboard with a good complement of symbols.  Note the dual d-pad styling of the arrows and awsdz keys.
Nov 05 16:12:53 <dreamer> khertan: yup, just got an update yesterday actuallt and was just abot tot try iy :D
Nov 05 16:13:09 <dreamer> khertan: but it's def still beta ;)
Nov 05 16:13:27 <khertan> pupnik_, the look is pretty good, but i still miss a grosser display
Nov 05 16:13:56 <MohammadAG> hmm, I wonder why packages get locked in the queue
Nov 05 16:13:56 * khertan like the n810 form factor
Nov 05 16:14:12 <khertan> MohammadAG, probably because they are corrupted
Nov 05 16:14:18 <pupnik_> me too khertan - very nice 4 row keyboard, boring korean styling
Nov 05 16:15:25 <khertan> pupnik_, most of the for programming symbol use in python have an easy access
Nov 05 16:15:32 <khertan> []{} like the keyboard
Nov 05 16:16:11 <khertan> but the key seems to be a bit small
Nov 05 16:16:20 <khertan> the menu icon is funny
Nov 05 16:16:30 <khertan> it s look like the maemo4 applications icons
Nov 05 16:16:36 <khertan> s/s/
Nov 05 16:16:52 <pupnik_> well does samsung release kernel drivers for that stuff?
Nov 05 16:16:57 <pupnik_> can we boot maemo on it?
Nov 05 16:17:33 <pupnik_> linux still doesn't enjoy the situation it has on PCs - meaning you can install it on a variety of hardware
Nov 05 16:17:42 <pupnik_> we're still chained to things like meego, bada
Nov 05 16:17:46 <pupnik_> android (spit)
Nov 05 16:19:48 <khertan> pupnik_, hum ... it s not the care bear world !
Nov 05 16:20:03 <khertan> even on desktop we still have many closed drivers
Nov 05 16:20:34 <khertan> and you must choose your hardware depending on which os you want to run
Nov 05 16:21:32 <pupnik_> khertan: true.  but this is in my opinion a failure of maemo
Nov 05 16:21:37 <pupnik_> nobody else ever picked it up
Nov 05 16:21:59 <MohammadAG> MeeGo wins here
Nov 05 16:22:05 <khertan> MohammadAG, or not
Nov 05 16:22:08 <MohammadAG> two HTC devices already booted it up
Nov 05 16:22:29 <MohammadAG> a nexus and a desire
Nov 05 16:22:35 <pupnik_> excellent
Nov 05 16:24:28 <tripzero> what's a failure of meego?
Nov 05 16:25:50 <MohammadAG> ahem
Nov 05 16:25:55 * MohammadAG goes into troll mode
Nov 05 16:25:58 <MohammadAG> RPM!!1!!!1!
Nov 05 16:26:18 <khertan> tripzero, none for the moment as there isn't any end user release
Nov 05 16:26:35 <khertan> only time will say if it s a failure or not :)
Nov 05 16:26:42 <tripzero> lol
Nov 05 16:26:50 <tripzero> isn't debian packaging the meego stuff?
Nov 05 16:27:00 <khertan> but ... one failure for Meego Netbook UX is that you can't upgrade from 1.0 to  1.1
Nov 05 16:27:04 <tripzero> so one could in theory make the distro deb package based?
Nov 05 16:27:07 <khertan> without reinstalling
Nov 05 16:27:12 <tripzero> heh
Nov 05 16:27:22 <tripzero> does it break if you add the 1.1 repos?
Nov 05 16:27:26 <khertan> i think we feel the power of rpm here
Nov 05 16:27:26 <khertan>  :)
Nov 05 16:27:30 * tripzero needs to update his wife's netbook?
Nov 05 16:27:32 <khertan> <tripzero> does it break if you add the 1.1 repos? << yep :)
Nov 05 16:27:40 <tripzero> ew
Nov 05 16:27:43 <tripzero> hrm
Nov 05 16:28:00 * khertan will install a debian instead of updating meego
Nov 05 16:28:05 <tripzero> if only ubuntu hadn't stopped making a meego respin
Nov 05 16:28:06 <tripzero>  :(
Nov 05 16:28:17 <lcuk> khertan, prototype upgrade instructions are available
Nov 05 16:28:21 <lcuk> and should be testable
Nov 05 16:28:25 <lcuk> lemme find the link
Nov 05 16:28:31 * MohammadAG makes DebiaGo
Nov 05 16:28:39 <MohammadAG> doesn't sound cool enough
Nov 05 16:28:45 <javispedro> DevilGo
Nov 05 16:28:48 <javispedro> morning, btw.
Nov 05 16:29:06 <khertan> lcuk, oh great news ! thnks
Nov 05 16:29:24 <MohammadAG> morning javispedro
Nov 05 16:29:55 <MohammadAG> don't you just love how tmo implodes when a female posts... http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65055
Nov 05 16:30:27 <javispedro> chances are, it's a he either way.
Nov 05 16:31:34 <lcuk> khertan, http://wiki.meego.com/Upgrading_MeeGo_Versions
Nov 05 16:31:51 <lcuk> read, review, discuss (on #meego) test, compare, modify and see if it works
Nov 05 16:32:50 <khertan> :)
Nov 05 16:32:52 <javispedro> aha, Apple dumps Xserve and Ubuntu dumps the X server
Nov 05 16:33:38 <MohammadAG> javispedro, I've seen shes with an N900
Nov 05 16:33:56 <javispedro> MohammadAG: me too.
Nov 05 16:34:10 <javispedro> so, what.
Nov 05 16:34:23 <MohammadAG> I'm just saying, it's not a male only device :P
Nov 05 16:34:53 <javispedro> so, would you open a post with your hair color as subject to ask for help?
Nov 05 16:35:21 <MohammadAG> no, I'd open a post with "porn" in the title and a "you suck" in the body :P
Nov 05 16:39:45 <crashanddie_> MohammadAG, is that some kind of self-inflicted mind porn?
Nov 05 16:40:31 <MohammadAG> no, it's a perverts test, just count the views
Nov 05 16:41:53 * GAN900 facepalms.
Nov 05 16:44:13 <crashanddie_> "Mexican sales of Ford's Lobo pick-up, popular with drug cartel hitmen, are falling along with those of similar vehicles because motorists fear being mistaken for gangsters by soldiers and police, the head of the U.S. automaker's local subsidiary said on Thursday."
Nov 05 16:44:50 <crashanddie_> I wouldn't buy a car called "Lobo" in the first place
Nov 05 16:45:15 <crashanddie_> or maybe just to pimp it to "Loco"
Nov 05 16:45:34 <crashanddie_> kimitake_idle, you can deactivate that script right away. Or get banned. Your choice, really.
Nov 05 16:45:40 <crashanddie_> Anyway, off to weekend. Later all
Nov 05 16:51:53 <crashanddie_> "Dogs that do not tolerate small children well are the St. Bernard, the Old English sheepdog, the Alaskan malamute, the bull terrier, and the toy poodle. So now you know what to get your obnoxious nephew as a pet."
Nov 05 16:52:25 <javispedro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Malamute_pup.JPG
Nov 05 16:55:02 <RST38h> javispedro: Ah! Puppies!
Nov 05 16:55:32 <javispedro> children-hating puppies!
Nov 05 16:56:08 <RST38h> dachsunds are also not exactly children loving critters
Nov 05 16:57:34 <MohammadAG> woah, this made my hildon-desktop awesome! http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=859494&postcount=4
Nov 05 16:57:51 <javispedro> ...............................
Nov 05 16:58:35 <javispedro> you know that file's only purpose is to set that setting to 0.
Nov 05 16:58:39 <MohammadAG> why isn't it set to 1 by default?
Nov 05 16:59:24 <MohammadAG> as I said, why?
Nov 05 17:00:04 <javispedro> "hildon-desktop animations are not linear" without it.
Nov 05 17:00:45 <MohammadAG> what does that mean?
Nov 05 17:01:04 <javispedro> nokia words, not mine.
Nov 05 17:03:15 <MohammadAG> funny, the desktop is a lot smoother with it
Nov 05 17:04:54 <Shapeshifter> what does it do?
Nov 05 17:05:45 * javispedro disagrees
Nov 05 17:05:58 <MohammadAG> I see
Nov 05 17:06:01 <javispedro> MohammadAG: what it means is obvious now: "linear" in time
Nov 05 17:06:02 <MohammadAG> if blur is enabled, it's shitty
Nov 05 17:06:20 <GAN900> Winter comes to Florida
Nov 05 17:06:24 <RST38h> javispedro: <facepalm>
Nov 05 17:06:24 <javispedro> without it, frames do not seem to be evenly spaced in time
Nov 05 17:06:29 <RST38h> GAN: Rain? =)
Nov 05 17:06:38 <MohammadAG> yeah, I can see that
Nov 05 17:07:18 <javispedro> makes for an iphony effect fwiw (Apple tends to overuse non linearity in animations...)
Nov 05 17:07:33 * javispedro hates it
Nov 05 17:09:05 * RST38h does not see any difference, desktpo behaves the same
Nov 05 17:09:13 <MohammadAG> restart the desktop
Nov 05 17:09:18 <RST38h> done
Nov 05 17:09:27 <javispedro> RST38h: you can also just rename it out of the way
Nov 05 17:09:39 <RST38h> rename what? hildon-desktop???
Nov 05 17:09:44 <MohammadAG> no, the file
Nov 05 17:09:46 <javispedro> hildon-desktop.ini
Nov 05 17:10:00 <MohammadAG> so it's set to 1 by default, but that file sets it to 0
Nov 05 17:10:06 <javispedro> the default is UseHWSync=1 since PR1.2 iirc
Nov 05 17:10:34 <RST38h> hm
Nov 05 17:10:46 <MohammadAG> was 0 here
Nov 05 17:10:55 <javispedro> MohammadAG: I mean the driver default
Nov 05 17:11:04 <MohammadAG> oh
Nov 05 17:11:28 <Gorroth> hmm, i dont know if that setting made my desktop faster
Nov 05 17:11:31 <javispedro> that file is only overriding it
Nov 05 17:11:43 <javispedro> (and I guess it was introduced when the default was changed...)
Nov 05 17:12:06 <Gorroth> the powervr hildon setting
Nov 05 17:12:13 <MohammadAG> restart the desktop
Nov 05 17:12:44 <Gorroth> i restarted the phone
Nov 05 17:12:55 <Shapeshifter> MohammadAG: how
Nov 05 17:13:00 <Gorroth> i dont know if it is faster though
Nov 05 17:13:17 <MohammadAG> killall hildon-desktop would be one way
Nov 05 17:13:27 <MohammadAG> though that sometimes messes up rotations till you reboot
Nov 05 17:13:28 <GAN900> RST38h, nah, winter is dry season.
Nov 05 17:13:41 <GAN900> RST38h, highs in the mid 60s. :D
Nov 05 17:13:42 <MohammadAG> it's slower when you have blurring neabled
Nov 05 17:13:46 <MohammadAG> enabled even
Nov 05 17:14:07 <Gorroth> how do i know if i have blurring and how do i turn it off
Nov 05 17:14:24 <MohammadAG> you see a blurred background when you open the menu
Nov 05 17:14:34 <Gorroth> oh. i have that
Nov 05 17:14:38 <MohammadAG> edit transitions.ini and set radius and radius_more from 16/12 to 0
Nov 05 17:14:41 <Shapeshifter> whoa
Nov 05 17:14:41 <Shapeshifter> this effect is huge
Nov 05 17:14:48 <MohammadAG> /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini
Nov 05 17:14:48 <Shapeshifter> it looks a bit weird though
Nov 05 17:18:35 <Gorroth> MohammadAG: where do i place that file?  in /etc/hildon-desktop?
Nov 05 17:19:25 <MohammadAG> err, no, just save what you edited
Nov 05 17:19:44 <Gorroth> ok
Nov 05 17:20:00 <Gorroth> change all instance of radius/radius_more?
Nov 05 17:21:22 <MohammadAG> there should be only one instance of both
Nov 05 17:21:59 <MohammadAG> in [home]
Nov 05 17:22:00 <Gorroth> there are two for radius
Nov 05 17:22:07 <Gorroth> one under home
Nov 05 17:22:18 <MohammadAG> change only the ones under [home]
Nov 05 17:22:21 <Gorroth> the other under launcher_glow
Nov 05 17:22:23 <Gorroth> ok
Nov 05 17:23:35 <Gorroth> let me reboot and see if that helps
Nov 05 17:23:54 <Gorroth> killall hildson-desktop didnt make it faster, and i still see blurring
Nov 05 17:25:25 <fcrochik> I just got back from
Nov 05 17:25:32 <RST38h> GAN: Oh, the ocean has become unswimmable =)
Nov 05 17:26:12 <fcrochik> .... oops... new keyboard.... just got back from qt dev days and I am wondering if anybody here tried mixing qml with qt on maemo5... any comments?
Nov 05 17:26:48 <Gorroth> hmm, i guess either it doesnt work for me or the speed isnt faster than efore i did all this
Nov 05 17:26:50 <GAN900> RST38h, not for another few weeks.
Nov 05 17:27:01 <MohammadAG> or you're doing it wrong
Nov 05 17:27:04 <GAN900> RST38h, water temp in Tampa Bay is still in the low 80s.
Nov 05 17:27:28 <Gorroth> MohammadAG: doubtful.  it is just a couple files...
Nov 05 17:27:40 <Gorroth> not brain surgery
Nov 05 17:27:41 <lcuk> fcrochik, speak with alterego or even konttori, both dabble with qml quite extensively
Nov 05 17:27:56 <MohammadAG> changes to transitions.ini should be instant, at least for radius and radius_more
Nov 05 17:28:22 <MohammadAG> lcuk, fcrochik I think Jaffa does too
Nov 05 17:28:34 <Gorroth> well, changing those settings dont make it crazy fast or anything
Nov 05 17:28:36 <javispedro> http://meego.gitorious.org/ , so, what does Nokia do when gitorious is down?
Nov 05 17:28:50 * javispedro should have chosen github, really.
Nov 05 17:29:26 <MohammadAG> javispedro, meditate
Nov 05 17:29:50 <javispedro> http://www.varnish-cache.org/ -- varnish makes websites fly.... to somewhere outside earth! </lame>
Nov 05 17:30:09 * lardman|home crosses his fingers that matplotlib will build
Nov 05 17:30:14 <lardman|home> hmm, failure!
Nov 05 17:30:30 <pupnik_> javispedro: i see that dosbox offers heavy debug mode -- "This guide explains how to activate the DOSBOX debugger and use the various commands it offers" http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=3944
Nov 05 17:30:51 <Gorroth> sweet. turning the WSEGL_UseHWSync back to 0 works
Nov 05 17:31:03 <javispedro> pupnik_: I guess that will only work with the interpreter
Nov 05 17:32:44 <pupnik_> javispedro: yes cpu must be 'normal' i think (or was it simple?) http://kannan.jumbledthoughts.com/index.php/howto-use-dosbox-as-a-quick-dirty-disassembler/
Nov 05 17:32:44 <lardman|home> hmm, quite remarkable, it seems to have worked
Nov 05 17:33:06 <javispedro> pupnik_: normal iirc :)
Nov 05 17:33:34 <pupnik_> you're normal, i'm simple - is that it?
Nov 05 17:34:03 <pupnik_> ;) anyway it looks like we could make a map of the instructions that something like daggerfall uses
Nov 05 17:34:12 <pupnik_> using the LOG function...
Nov 05 17:34:24 <pupnik_> find what it is spending its time doing rasterizing the game data
Nov 05 17:34:28 <javispedro> probably. doesn't it have a disassembler?
Nov 05 17:34:30 <pupnik_> then ... ??? ... profit
Nov 05 17:35:02 <RST38h> Dell's announced all 25,000 employees will be given Dell Venue Pros running WP7 in exchange for their BlackBerrys, but they're also offering a new service to their clients for help switching from BlackBerry.
Nov 05 17:35:03 <pupnik_> maybe watch for writes to vga mem
Nov 05 17:35:56 <pupnik_> RST38h: you think it might be likely one could statically recompile some innerloop in say, Daggerfall or Arena
Nov 05 17:36:08 <pupnik_> or am i imagining things
Nov 05 17:36:31 <javispedro> pupnik_: oh, I see what you're trying to do there.
Nov 05 17:36:34 <javispedro> that's called HLE btw.
Nov 05 17:36:37 <Shapeshifter> MohammadAG: could you please paste your transitions.ini. stuff looks weird here
Nov 05 17:36:40 <RST38h> pupnik: yes, it is possible
Nov 05 17:36:47 <tripzero> is wp7 any good?
Nov 05 17:36:49 <RST38h> pupnik: does not mean easy though
Nov 05 17:37:31 <MohammadAG> Shapeshifter, http://pastebin.com/KKz8bf4N
Nov 05 17:37:36 <Shapeshifter> MohammadAG: thanks
Nov 05 17:38:29 <jacekowski> fucking fuck
Nov 05 17:38:32 <jacekowski> http://www.eveningstar.co.uk/news/colchester_town_gypsy_site_is_given_the_go_ahead_1_718561
Nov 05 17:40:26 <RST38h> Canonical and Ubuntu founder Mark Shuttleworth has announced that Ubuntu will move away from the traditional X.org display environment to Wayland  a more modern alternative.
Nov 05 17:41:10 <jacekowski> and they break api again
Nov 05 17:41:36 <MohammadAG> <RST38h> -Canonical and Ubuntu founder Mark Shuttleworth has announced that Ubuntu will move away from the traditional X.org display environment to Wayland  a more modern alternative.
Nov 05 17:41:39 <MohammadAG> WHAT THE FUCK?
Nov 05 17:42:01 <javispedro> hehe
Nov 05 17:42:01 <RST38h> Mohammad:The fuck.
Nov 05 17:42:05 <jacekowski> yeah, they decided to break api again
Nov 05 17:42:06 <javispedro> saw it a few minutes ago
Nov 05 17:42:07 <jacekowski> and abi
Nov 05 17:42:14 <javispedro> jacekowski: they'll fail
Nov 05 17:42:15 <jacekowski> so nvidia drivers will stop working
Nov 05 17:42:20 <jacekowski> ati drivers will stop working
Nov 05 17:42:22 <jacekowski> stuff will break
Nov 05 17:42:31 <MohammadAG> users will break - away
Nov 05 17:42:55 <javispedro> jacekowski: all of this new stuff... they even rolled unity with its top global menu bar even without hacking patching Firefox to support it.
Nov 05 17:43:28 <Gorroth> who cares what display manager ubuntu uses?  it's all nerd turf wars
Nov 05 17:43:36 <Shapeshifter> indeed
Nov 05 17:43:51 <MohammadAG> I care
Nov 05 17:44:16 <Gorroth> that is cool
Nov 05 17:44:18 <javispedro> Gorroth: you need more Jobs brainwashing if you as a consumer don't care.
Nov 05 17:45:05 <javispedro> a few minutes near the Reality Distortion Field and you'll start cheering for ubernerd stuff such as ... a new CoreAnimation API! WhohoooO!!!
Nov 05 17:46:19 <Gorroth> actually i use lots of apple products. and truth be told, users dont care
Nov 05 17:46:25 <Gorroth> nerd turf wars
Nov 05 17:47:19 <RST38h> javispedro: insanity is finally starting to chew away at Ubuntu engineers
Nov 05 17:47:26 * lardman|home moans about Ubuntu's deprecation of xinerama
Nov 05 17:47:40 <zokier> it's just defaults. it's not like canonical is preventing you from installing xorg or your favourite wm if you wish to do so
Nov 05 17:47:49 <lardman|home> not to mention needing to patch the xserver to get Qt apps to not crash it
Nov 05 17:48:00 <RST38h> But, I mean, removing X from Linux???
Nov 05 17:48:20 <zokier> X was never in linux
Nov 05 17:48:49 <Chewtoy> X is not really needed, if you know how to use a terminal.
Nov 05 17:48:53 <RST38h> [for Wikipedians] When saying Linux, I do notmean the kernel.I mean the whole OS.
Nov 05 17:49:27 <RST38h> As in "FreeBSD", you know. Or "NetBSD". Or, awww, "Windows"
Nov 05 17:49:45 <Chewtoy> What distro are you thinking about then?
Nov 05 17:50:36 <RST38h> Chewtoy: Any semiusable distro - Ubuntu, SuSE, Redhat, Debian
Nov 05 17:51:04 <Gorroth> ubuntu ditched X in their server ersion.  are you mad about that too?
Nov 05 17:51:30 <RST38h> Am I mad about Ubuntu ditching it in the desktop version?
Nov 05 17:51:30 <Chewtoy> Why the hell would you want X on a server?
Nov 05 17:51:38 <javispedro> Gorroth: do you have stock in Wayland and/or RedHat?
Nov 05 17:52:08 <Gorroth> exactly.  this is just a bunch of nerd turf wars.  you guys just dont like change i think
Nov 05 17:52:19 * RST38h sighs at Gorroth
Nov 05 17:52:37 <RST38h> Ok, just to provide some entertainment tonight, I will explain why
Nov 05 17:52:54 * javispedro grabs comfortable chair and popcorn
Nov 05 17:53:03 <RST38h> Gorroth: You see, there exists a lot of packaged software for Linux already, or, to make it clear for you, for Ubuntu Linux
Nov 05 17:53:30 <MohammadAG> <Gorroth> +ubuntu ditched X in their server ersion.  are you mad about that too?
Nov 05 17:53:40 <MohammadAG> server versions of OSs don't usually need anything more than a terminal
Nov 05 17:53:43 <RST38h> Gorroth: Most of that software (command line and server tools excluded) depends on the X11 server to communicate with the user
Nov 05 17:53:50 <MohammadAG> since... you know, they're usually accessed over ssh
Nov 05 17:53:54 <RST38h> Gorroth: Are you with me, Apple boy?
Nov 05 17:54:35 <RST38h> Gorroth: Sooo, once you ditch X11 server, all the above packages will brake. You won'tbe able to use them any more. Capische?
Nov 05 17:54:38 <tripzero> i don't think ubuntu ever had a server version with X
Nov 05 17:54:46 <Gorroth> MohammadAG: exactly my point.  now, if you dont like the ubuntu change, im sure you can find a distro that works for you
Nov 05 17:54:56 <Gorroth> life didnt end
Nov 05 17:55:16 <MohammadAG> you're missing the points
Nov 05 17:55:18 <Gorroth> RST38h: im not talking to you.  you are in love with ad hominem
Nov 05 17:55:19 <RST38h> Gorroth: So, yes, as an ordinary Ubuntu user I do care if the software I amcurrently using still works on the next Ubuntu
Nov 05 17:55:25 <MohammadAG> servers don't have a desktop manager
Nov 05 17:55:26 <tripzero> and if ubuntu did have a server version with X it was probably pre 5.10 (before i started using it)
Nov 05 17:55:33 <lardman|home> no, but those using the new Ubuntu won't be able to do much of anything with no apps
Nov 05 17:55:37 <zokier> RST38h, are you familiar with wayland in any way?
Nov 05 17:55:48 <RST38h> javispedro: Heh, told you, those lemmings tear easily...
Nov 05 17:55:49 <tripzero> don't like ubuntu server edition? install desktop and stfu
Nov 05 17:55:52 <RST38h> zokier: No
Nov 05 17:55:52 <tripzero> ;P
Nov 05 17:56:06 <tripzero> apt-get your way to glory
Nov 05 17:56:16 <zokier> RST38h, look at the last picture at http://wayland.freedesktop.org/architecture.html
Nov 05 17:56:32 <RST38h> zokier: And, as an ordinary user, not eager to get familiar with yet another piece of infrastructure.
Nov 05 17:56:48 <MohammadAG> let's just put it this way
Nov 05 17:56:56 <chem|st> tripzero: apt-get install 10000000eur
Nov 05 17:57:02 <MohammadAG> QtBrowser: cannot connect to X server :2
Nov 05 17:57:14 <MohammadAG> that'll be happening a lot ^
Nov 05 17:57:19 <lardman|home> zokier: interesting
Nov 05 17:57:50 <zokier> RST38h, no, but you might be interested that transitioning to wayland does not mean that X11-dependand apps will break
Nov 05 17:58:01 <pupnik_> hello, segfault my old friend
Nov 05 17:58:06 <pupnik_> i've come to work round you again
Nov 05 17:58:28 <javispedro> zokier: so sure about that. copy paste between wayland and x clients? check. drag and drop? check.
Nov 05 17:58:30 <tripzero> SIGSEGV!
Nov 05 17:58:32 <javispedro> window properties? check.
Nov 05 17:58:37 <RST38h> zokier: Well, that page of yours shows running X11 on top of wayland
Nov 05 17:58:42 <javispedro> XEmbed? check.
Nov 05 17:58:56 <javispedro> they will break _everything_.
Nov 05 17:59:04 <RST38h> zokier: So, from engineering point of view, what we have there is exposing compositor directly to the apps
Nov 05 17:59:34 <javispedro> X11 is (fortunately or not, depends on who you ask) something more than a big framebuffer device.
Nov 05 17:59:42 <pupnik_> javispedro: is there any automated HLE that does dynamic -> static recompilation for particular executeables?
Nov 05 17:59:44 <RST38h> zokier: You still have a choice of either 1) running X11 on top of wayland (i.e. X11 stays) and 2) not running X11 (i.e. compatibility killed)
Nov 05 18:00:50 <javispedro> pupnik_: full static recompilation is not HLE. "Detecting" usual rendering function and using native versions (or GPU) is.
Nov 05 18:00:54 <RST38h> zokier: and no, I am not interested in the compositor and "all the cool things one can do with it". Just want my current apps to work.
Nov 05 18:00:59 <javispedro> pupnik_: pandora had some full x86 static recompiler work btw
Nov 05 18:01:28 <javispedro> pupnik_: aiui they even got some games to work...
Nov 05 18:02:11 <lardman|home> hmm, how is it that armel python2.5-dateutil exists but i386 python2.5-dateutil does not. thereby breaking my build?
Nov 05 18:02:23 <juk> gitorious down, any news?
Nov 05 18:02:27 <javispedro> lardman|home: packager forgot? =)
Nov 05 18:02:36 <pupnik_> javispedro: i guess that's the place to discuss some kind of x86 hacking of daggerfall/arena
Nov 05 18:02:43 <lardman|home> I didn't think you could just select one target?
Nov 05 18:02:56 <javispedro> lardman|home: you can, "Architecture: armel" in control file for ex.
Nov 05 18:02:58 <pupnik_> javispedro: cause unless some of that rendering isn't converted to optimized arm, those games will never run fast on dosbox - imo
Nov 05 18:03:05 <lardman|home> ah ok
Nov 05 18:03:06 <chem|st> javispedro: X11 is not a huge FBdevice?
Nov 05 18:03:40 <juk> guys on #gitorious can't access it too, so not only me
Nov 05 18:03:57 <javispedro> chem|st: "not only" a huge FBdevice.
Nov 05 18:04:05 <lardman|home> javispedro: is it possible to determine depends using an && operation to tell whether it's 386 or armel?
Nov 05 18:04:24 <WakiMiko> quick question: how can i see my dns servers? resolv.conf only contains 127.0.0.1
Nov 05 18:04:27 <javispedro> lardman|home: yes, but it's a different operator, lemme look it up
Nov 05 18:04:32 <lardman|home> thanks
Nov 05 18:04:40 <chem|st> javispedro: what else is it?
Nov 05 18:05:03 <lcuk> lardman|home, https://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase/blob/master/src/Makefile#L12
Nov 05 18:05:07 <chem|st> javispedro: it is a huge xinput device too
Nov 05 18:05:25 <chem|st> javispedro: cannot come up with more atm
Nov 05 18:05:34 <javispedro> chem|st: see my own checklist above
Nov 05 18:06:06 <lcuk> https://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase/blob/master/debian/control#L4
Nov 05 18:06:18 <lcuk> , libosso-dev [!i386],
Nov 05 18:06:19 <javispedro> lardman|home: Depends: foo [i386], bar [amd64]
Nov 05 18:06:25 <javispedro> lcuk: argh :). thanks!
Nov 05 18:06:45 <WakiMiko> anyone?
Nov 05 18:06:45 <lcuk> javispedro, :D
Nov 05 18:06:50 <chem|st> xembed?
Nov 05 18:07:14 <MohammadAG> zip	2.32-1maemo2	user/tools	168 <-- how do I pipe this with awk?
Nov 05 18:08:04 <juk> MohammadAG: any reasons why gitorious down?
Nov 05 18:08:10 <lardman|home> javispedro: thanks
Nov 05 18:08:21 <MohammadAG> why are you asking me? :|
Nov 05 18:08:49 <javispedro> juk: Gitorious down is the reason I'm here wasting everybody's time instead of silently coding =)
Nov 05 18:08:54 <MohammadAG> err
Nov 05 18:09:01 <MohammadAG> zip	2.32-1maemo2	user/tools	168 <-- how do I pipe this with awk to get the first part only
Nov 05 18:09:18 <SpeedEvil> ou mean you want the 'zip'
Nov 05 18:09:20 <javispedro> use cut?
Nov 05 18:09:24 <SpeedEvil> awk '{print $1}
Nov 05 18:09:39 <SpeedEvil> Or awk '$0=$1' if you want to confuse people
Nov 05 18:10:01 <juk> MohammadAG: what are you doing?
Nov 05 18:10:26 <javispedro> MohammadAG: you should be fixing Gitorious!
Nov 05 18:10:39 * MohammadAG is confused
Nov 05 18:10:40 <MohammadAG> thanks SpeedEvil
Nov 05 18:11:16 <GAN900> javispedro, you need a secondary hobby, clearly.
Nov 05 18:12:03 <lardman|home> so is the arm target known as [armel] ?
Nov 05 18:12:08 <javispedro> yep
Nov 05 18:12:18 <lardman|home> wunderbar, thanks
Nov 05 18:14:03 <lardman|home> hmm, I see I just won the lottery
Nov 05 18:14:11 <lardman|home> a whole £9.50
Nov 05 18:14:32 * lardman|home heads to claim winnings and spend it on vino
Nov 05 18:14:35 <WakiMiko> how can i see which dns servers my n900 is using? resolv.conf only contains 127.0.0.1
Nov 05 18:14:48 <lcuk> MohammadAG, you can try and give lardman a wine voucher :P
Nov 05 18:14:58 <lcuk> he has more use for it than me
Nov 05 18:15:21 <lardman|home> lcuk: it's been a long week! ;)
Nov 05 18:15:52 <MohammadAG> lcuk, forward it to him :)
Nov 05 18:16:11 <lardman|home> continually uploading the 12Mb matplotlob tarball is getting tedious now
Nov 05 18:16:12 <juk> WakiMiko: probably it is
Nov 05 18:16:29 <WakiMiko> how do i resolve things then?
Nov 05 18:17:08 <juk> WakiMiko: add your ISPs
Nov 05 18:17:40 <WakiMiko> but i already can resolve hostnames
Nov 05 18:17:50 <WakiMiko> where does it get them from?
Nov 05 18:18:18 <juk> WakiMiko: did you restart networking?
Nov 05 18:19:37 <WakiMiko> i connected to my wlan, i get a ip from my dhcp server, but it seems to ignore the dns servers
Nov 05 18:20:25 <zokier> WakiMiko, look at /etc/dnsmasq.conf
Nov 05 18:21:23 <DocScrutinizer51> HELL! once again every single pkg in repo is incompatible to PR1.2 :-(((
Nov 05 18:22:01 <steinex> DocScrutinizer51: why don't you upgrade?
Nov 05 18:22:18 <DocScrutinizer51> just because
Nov 05 18:23:34 <WakiMiko> zokier: thanks. the file referenced in dnsmasq (var/run/resolv.conf.wlan0) contains the right dns servers, but the n900 doesnt appear to be using them
Nov 05 18:23:46 <DocScrutinizer51> or, on a more detailed philosophical explanation: I HATE being forced
Nov 05 18:24:35 <RST38h> Doc: You mean, evil Nokia is forcing you to upgrade to pr1.3?
Nov 05 18:24:37 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer51: what?
Nov 05 18:24:43 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer51: which package?
Nov 05 18:25:01 <DocScrutinizer51> e.g. Fahrplan
Nov 05 18:25:09 <juk> WakiMiko: why?
Nov 05 18:25:10 <DocScrutinizer51> mbarcode
Nov 05 18:25:17 <javispedro> python... sigh.
Nov 05 18:25:24 <DocScrutinizer51> yes
Nov 05 18:25:58 <zokier> WakiMiko, maybe it has cached the results so it seems that it's not using current servers?
Nov 05 18:26:37 <DocScrutinizer51> I bet fahrplan is NOT reliant on any pr1.3 things
Nov 05 18:26:44 <RST38h> javispedro: I am running into Python haters all the time lately BTW
Nov 05 18:26:54 <WakiMiko> well it cant resolve any of the names on my lan
Nov 05 18:27:10 <RST38h> javispedro: Imaging having to defend Python when you do not even like it! :)
Nov 05 18:27:21 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer51: python and qt -- killer combination for dependency generation.
Nov 05 18:27:39 <DocScrutinizer51> :-S
Nov 05 18:28:01 <RST38h> s/Imaging/Imagine
Nov 05 18:28:26 <javispedro> RST38h: heh :)
Nov 05 18:28:38 <zokier> binary packages and multiple versions in general are bit problematic
Nov 05 18:29:43 <zokier> selecting the pre-pr1.3 versions of packages should work
Nov 05 18:29:59 <RST38h> BTW, could someone tell me where dpkg data is stored? for installed packages?
Nov 05 18:30:12 <javispedro> /var/lib/info/dpkg/* ?
Nov 05 18:30:19 <javispedro> (there might be a db elsewhere)
Nov 05 18:30:19 <RST38h> a'ok, thanks
Nov 05 18:30:26 <MohammadAG> no
Nov 05 18:30:28 <javispedro> but quite a lot of info is there
Nov 05 18:30:29 <MohammadAG> /var/lib/dpkg/info
Nov 05 18:30:31 <MohammadAG> /var/lib/dpkg/info/*
Nov 05 18:30:42 <MohammadAG> and /var/lib/dpkg/status for control files in one file
Nov 05 18:30:43 <javispedro> ah yes, thanks MohammadAG
Nov 05 18:30:56 <javispedro> zokier: seemingly not for Qt4.7 built stuff, it's calling new symbols from qtcore
Nov 05 18:31:02 <MohammadAG> /var/lib/dpkg/info/* is for .list files, .post/pre* stuff
Nov 05 18:32:28 <RST38h> Found and fixed it
Nov 05 18:35:00 <DocScrutinizer51> honestly, HTF can you upgrade a productive device without *proper* backup so you can *really* *completely* rollback to pre-upgrade state on failure???
Nov 05 18:35:21 <RST38h> carefully?
Nov 05 18:35:31 <DocScrutinizer51> HAHA
Nov 05 18:35:48 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer51: extras(-stable) should be branched for pr1.2, pr1.3
Nov 05 18:37:29 <DocScrutinizer51> hmm, this means downgrade to 1.2 possible for extras-stable only. Nice, regarding number of elementary apps NOT in stable
Nov 05 18:38:10 <DocScrutinizer51> that's BS
Nov 05 18:38:12 <javispedro> there's not much to be done, really.
Nov 05 18:38:31 <RST38h> Doc, why do you want to stay with PR1.3 anyway?
Nov 05 18:38:53 <DocScrutinizer51> good question
Nov 05 18:40:56 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer51: you can just reflash the pr1.2 kernel, or your custom one... (you're going to do it eitherway I guess)
Nov 05 18:41:47 <DocScrutinizer51> I CAN NOT restore current state of a production device
Nov 05 18:42:26 <DocScrutinizer51> *IF* upgrade to 1.3 leaves me screwed, I'm busted
Nov 05 18:42:46 <MohammadAG> what's this about?
Nov 05 18:43:04 <MohammadAG> you can roll back to1.2 from 1.3
Nov 05 18:43:31 <javispedro> the point is that if any of your apps was on -devel they will have been rebuilt with pr1.3 components
Nov 05 18:44:00 <DocScrutinizer51> Anybody not seeing the BAD in this shall be sentenced to use slideruler for 10 years, and not touch ANY IT
Nov 05 18:44:30 * javispedro does not see the bad: -devel is the unstable repo.
Nov 05 18:44:39 <javispedro> it is.. unstable.
Nov 05 18:44:57 <DocScrutinizer51> (a good question for hiring new sysops btw)
Nov 05 18:45:08 <javispedro> there's a lot of freedoms that come by publishing your software to a unstable repository that developers seem to like.
Nov 05 18:45:47 <DocScrutinizer51> javispedro: so what? how's that related to rollback?
Nov 05 18:46:03 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer51: you cannot rollback if you used software from unstable.
Nov 05 18:46:10 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer51: you can rollback if you didn't.
Nov 05 18:46:21 <DocScrutinizer51> FAIL!!!!
Nov 05 18:46:45 * GAN900 pokes DocScrutinizer51 with an aluminum pole.
Nov 05 18:47:17 <Gorroth> is that a soda can, or are you just happy to see me
Nov 05 18:49:59 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: only semi-valid way to deal with this in the way Nokia repo recently does were to move all -testing and -devel to PR1.2-stable, same time you're publishing PR1.3
Nov 05 18:50:27 <DocScrutinizer> OR offer a decent stable tested way to do FULL DISK IMAGE
Nov 05 18:50:47 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: might be valid features request even, to just tar the entire repo the day before rolling pr1.x
Nov 05 18:50:58 <DocScrutinizer> YES!!!
Nov 05 18:51:04 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: there's a sane way to do disk imaging now, just boot into meego and tar rootfs
Nov 05 18:51:14 <javispedro> andr /home
Nov 05 18:51:34 <DocScrutinizer> duh, as sane as meego is safe?
Nov 05 18:51:37 <luke-jr_> be glad PR1.3 didn't bring an incompatible cellmo update
Nov 05 18:51:38 <luke-jr_> :P
Nov 05 18:52:05 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr_: how do you know?
Nov 05 18:52:14 <luke-jr_> I don't.
Nov 05 18:52:18 <luke-jr_> I still have PR1.2 ☺
Nov 05 18:52:20 <DocScrutinizer> see!?
Nov 05 18:52:26 <DocScrutinizer> me too
Nov 05 18:53:03 <javispedro> ah, more warez in tmo!
Nov 05 18:53:22 <luke-jr_> they replaced the warz with warez?
Nov 05 18:53:48 <DocScrutinizer> incompatible xloader/NOLO update would be equally "nice"
Nov 05 18:53:54 * ShadowJK still has 1.2 out of fear upgrading ota will involve a reflash again :)
Nov 05 18:54:08 * luke-jr_ just fears Nokia  :P
Nov 05 18:54:25 <luke-jr_> or rather, I fear their historic incompetence
Nov 05 18:55:10 <DocScrutinizer> ack, same here
Nov 05 18:55:39 <luke-jr_> therefore, DocScrutinizer needs to switch to Gentoo
Nov 05 18:55:41 <luke-jr_> <.<
Nov 05 18:56:01 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: you can also boot into rescue, or a minimal system if you fear meego
Nov 05 18:56:03 <DocScrutinizer> as they evidently don't care about reasonable working rollback, how can you assume they care about anything else
Nov 05 18:56:12 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: maemo.org is not Nokia!
Nov 05 18:56:22 <luke-jr_> maemo.org > Nokia
Nov 05 18:56:32 <luke-jr_> heck, talk.maemo.org > Nokia
Nov 05 18:56:34 <luke-jr_> anyhow, bbl
Nov 05 18:58:06 <juk> javispedro: it's only place to look for actual help with n900 what is nokia then
Nov 05 18:58:19 <javispedro> it's not even 2011 yet, and Garmin is already trying to sell me the 2nd edition of 2011 maps
Nov 05 18:58:43 * MohammadAG saves output of maemo-list-user-packages | awk '{print $1}' to pipe to apt later :)
Nov 05 18:58:46 <javispedro> juk: uh? rephrase please
Nov 05 18:58:56 <javispedro> MohammadAG: that's basically what osso-backup packages does :)
Nov 05 18:59:11 <MohammadAG> javispedro, didn't know that :)
Nov 05 18:59:27 <javispedro> MohammadAG: there's even an option in app mgr menu to restore such a package name list file
Nov 05 18:59:44 <MohammadAG> javispedro, I know of that
Nov 05 18:59:48 <MohammadAG> but I hate HAM
Nov 05 19:02:19 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: and this (osso-backup.pkgs) will fail epically on restore under a 1.2
Nov 05 19:02:35 <javispedro> yes, if you used -devel software =)
Nov 05 19:02:48 <DocScrutinizer> so WHAT?
Nov 05 19:03:03 <DocScrutinizer> THAT's BULLSHIT!
Nov 05 19:03:33 <javispedro> tbh I do not remember the exact reasoning between not branching -devel the way -stable is branched
Nov 05 19:03:41 <javispedro> s/between/why
Nov 05 19:03:50 <DocScrutinizer> I can tell you: "too much work"
Nov 05 19:04:08 <V-ille> "no business reason"? :)
Nov 05 19:04:15 <DocScrutinizer> I might even find the email with the exact words, back when
Nov 05 19:04:54 <DocScrutinizer> now, on pr1.3, we see EXACTLY SAME SHIT again. NOT amused!!
Nov 05 19:05:25 <javispedro> wasn't jebba hosting a mirror btw?
Nov 05 19:05:35 <DocScrutinizer> loong gone
Nov 05 19:05:45 <DocScrutinizer> jebba is "dead"
Nov 05 19:05:54 <DocScrutinizer> aka pissed and gone
Nov 05 19:05:59 * javispedro ponders if I should host one..
Nov 05 19:06:22 <javispedro> no, ISP would kill me.
Nov 05 19:07:00 <DocScrutinizer> need an account on a box with 1GB backbone and unlimited traffic?
Nov 05 19:07:32 <kerio> i do! i do!
Nov 05 19:07:54 <pupnik_> 'need' is rather amorphous
Nov 05 19:08:08 <DocScrutinizer> s/need/like
Nov 05 19:08:13 <kerio> i still do!
Nov 05 19:08:17 <dolp> and that box is some 386
Nov 05 19:08:26 <DocScrutinizer> even "would you like me to give you"
Nov 05 19:08:44 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: you could host the mirror yourself then
Nov 05 19:08:44 <kerio> me me me me me!
Nov 05 19:08:57 <javispedro> I wonder if repository.maemo.org has public rsync
Nov 05 19:09:02 <DocScrutinizer> I'm basically not inclined to do
Nov 05 19:09:12 <DocScrutinizer> but I might share an account for that
Nov 05 19:09:35 <DocScrutinizer> on what's about the same as openmoko infra
Nov 05 19:09:39 <Gorroth> anyone know how to disable auto dimming of your n900 screen?  it just annoys me
Nov 05 19:10:43 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, hit the mailing list and discuss it.
Nov 05 19:10:54 <GAN900> V-ille, not Nokia's decision
Nov 05 19:10:59 <GAN900> Extras is maemo.org
Nov 05 19:11:02 <kevloral> Hello all
Nov 05 19:11:07 <opdf2> anyone get el-v1.db problems every now and then?
Nov 05 19:12:00 <opdf2> sometimes I need to delete it because texts get stuck at pending, even though they were really sent
Nov 05 19:24:21 * wmarone wonders what happened that he now gets GSM noise on his N900 over headphones :/
Nov 05 19:24:36 <wmarone> but only in the left speaker
Nov 05 19:26:26 <ShadowJK> :/
Nov 05 19:26:41 <ShadowJK> do you get any music in left?
Nov 05 19:26:53 <ShadowJK> do you get stereo sound in headphones?
Nov 05 19:27:05 <wmarone> oh yeah
Nov 05 19:27:16 <wmarone> I suspect it's a hint I should get new headphones
Nov 05 19:27:37 <wmarone> I moved the stress relief around a bit and it went away
Nov 05 19:28:04 <ShadowJK> when the one wire was disconnected it acted as an antenna :)
Nov 05 19:30:31 <mgedmin> GSM noise? yeah, I just recently noticed that too
Nov 05 19:30:44 <mgedmin> <conspiracy>do you think this could be caused by upgrading to PR 1.3? </conspiracy>
Nov 05 19:31:42 <wmarone> doubtful, had it before the update
Nov 05 19:32:26 <wmarone> ShadowJK: yeah that's what is probably going on, one strand in the bundle probably. not enough to kill the sound, but enough to pick up the noise.
Nov 05 19:34:32 <javispedro> aha, so microsoft chose github too.
Nov 05 19:38:11 <andax> /home/opt/zoutube/zoutube --help-all    #revealed that we can pass some special plugin settings to zoutube, but how can we get it to open a specific URL with zoutube? I.e. from IRC?
Nov 05 19:39:33 <ds3> has anyone socks-ified an N900?
Nov 05 19:40:23 <SpeedEvil> I have used socks on my n900 to connect my laptop browser to the net
Nov 05 19:41:01 <kerio> i hope they were clean
Nov 05 19:41:18 <kerio> otherwise your n900 will smell like feet
Nov 05 19:41:41 <lcuk> some feet smell very nice
Nov 05 19:41:52 <lcuk> so it depends on who the socks belong to
Nov 05 19:42:57 <kerio> >feet fetishism
Nov 05 19:43:17 <GAN900> Gross
Nov 05 19:43:28 <andax> My socks are in a weekly left-right rotation sceme, so i can make sure both smell the same way :)
Nov 05 19:43:48 <javispedro> now we're left to understand what the original poster wanted
Nov 05 19:44:00 <javispedro> did he want to put his n900 in a sock'
Nov 05 19:44:20 <kerio> i lost my n900's stylus :(
Nov 05 19:44:58 <andax> kerio: you lost 10$
Nov 05 19:45:23 <kerio> they cost that much? :O
Nov 05 19:45:27 <kerio> jesus
Nov 05 19:45:31 <kerio> it's a piece of plastic
Nov 05 19:45:39 <lcuk> ds3, socks proxy?
Nov 05 19:45:40 <kerio> i wonder if i can get it replaced by nokia care
Nov 05 19:45:41 <V-ille> well, find a person who you don't like, steal his stylus
Nov 05 19:45:53 <andax> yes, maybe you can get it cheaper but those i saw where that much
Nov 05 19:45:55 <kerio> "the stylus spontaneously disintegrated"
Nov 05 19:46:00 <lcuk> V-ille, thats evil
Nov 05 19:46:11 <lcuk> worse is replacing it with something else
Nov 05 19:46:13 <V-ille> maybe that's what already happened to him :)
Nov 05 19:46:13 <andax> replacement parts are always frickin' expensive
Nov 05 19:46:13 <kerio> V-ille: how the hell am i going to find someone with a n900
Nov 05 19:46:39 <V-ille> kerio: go to the management floor :P
Nov 05 19:46:52 <kerio> >management
Nov 05 19:46:54 <javispedro> hey, if you get to buy a new stylus from nokia do tell
Nov 05 19:46:54 <ShadowJK> try meego summit
Nov 05 19:46:55 <kerio> >iphone
Nov 05 19:47:27 * javispedro couldn't get the original T|X flipcover from Palm even after telling them I would pay whatever they told me
Nov 05 19:47:40 <javispedro> funny conversation.
Nov 05 19:48:05 * mgedmin lost two styluses for his Palm Tungsten T
Nov 05 19:48:32 <lcuk> i was once sent a whole new cd drive and interface set after a conversation with tech support about some salvaged device
Nov 05 19:48:51 <ShadowJK> javispedro, did you threaten to buy 51% of their stock
Nov 05 19:49:17 <SpeedEvil> I bought 80% of the stock of a supermarket once.
Nov 05 19:49:25 <SpeedEvil> They only had 5 packets.
Nov 05 19:51:21 <javispedro> ShadowJK: I guess I should have.
Nov 05 19:51:37 <javispedro> Had to buy the flipcover from a random ebayer that managed to send me the wrong one twice.
Nov 05 19:57:11 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/advanced_search_result.php?XTCsid=e8237142d04e809bb6e98cffac40182b&keywords=n900+stylus&x=0&y=0
Nov 05 19:57:30 <DocScrutinizer> 4,89 EUR
Nov 05 19:58:26 <DocScrutinizer> I 'recommend' this shop, shipping and goods were ok, when I bought a qwerty keymat
Nov 05 20:00:10 <DocScrutinizer> (funny sidenote: 3 x 1stylus is cheaper than a pkg of 3
Nov 05 20:00:13 <DocScrutinizer> )
Nov 05 20:00:32 * lcuk drags out his .net code and plays on windows
Nov 05 20:02:36 <tripzero> lcuk, ew
Nov 05 20:02:40 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, duh, it costs extra to have a guy open up the 1X packages and repackage them into a 3X package
Nov 05 20:02:42 <tripzero> mono ftw?
Nov 05 20:03:12 <lcuk> tripzero, i just wanna see how well it will run on an a modern windows phone
Nov 05 20:03:22 <tripzero> wp7?
Nov 05 20:03:22 <lcuk> i havent run .net stuff in years since my loox perished
Nov 05 20:04:05 <ShadowJK> on halloween he shows kids Visual Basic code, and they're a bit nervously frightened, then he says "I used to write this and I loved it", and the kids scream in horror and run away
Nov 05 20:04:12 <pupnik_> very nice DocScrutinizer - 20 euro for a qwerty keypad
Nov 05 20:04:55 <DocScrutinizer> pupnik_: well, It's been worth it
Nov 05 20:05:18 <DocScrutinizer> I *hate* the German wertzu without up/down cursor keys
Nov 05 20:05:41 <javispedro> wait. are those actual nokia parts?
Nov 05 20:05:46 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Nov 05 20:05:48 * javispedro bookmarks
Nov 05 20:06:07 <DocScrutinizer> :-) that's what my links are meant for :-)
Nov 05 20:07:21 <lcuk> ShadowJK, not real different from python :P
Nov 05 20:07:41 <lcuk> mental note: visual studio will not install on linux.
Nov 05 20:07:51 <javispedro> yeah, all vs.net versions
Nov 05 20:13:59 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4366_Original-Nokia-N900-Hinge-Slide.html  for all those who managed to ruin their sliding mechanics **or the FPC/B2B-connector**
Nov 05 20:15:15 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4369_Original-Nokia-N900-A-Cover-Touchscreen.html  == alternative to 3 times Vircutti screen protector (or whatever it's called)
Nov 05 20:15:39 <javispedro> ooh, cover.
Nov 05 20:15:53 <javispedro> front bezel would be nice, it gets too scratched up too easily.
Nov 05 20:16:49 <DocScrutinizer> bezel? this: http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4765_Original-Nokia-N900-A-Cover.html ??
Nov 05 20:17:15 <javispedro> did not disassemble it yet so I cannot recognize, but seems so.
Nov 05 20:17:42 <javispedro> ah, this one
Nov 05 20:17:43 <javispedro> http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4766_Original-Nokia-N900-A-Cover-Set-2pcs.html
Nov 05 20:19:06 <javispedro> oh, battery covers.
Nov 05 20:19:23 <DocScrutinizer> pick your own favourite from http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=n900&x=0&y=0
Nov 05 20:19:30 <Macer> 60eu for the screen?
Nov 05 20:19:42 <javispedro> just touchscreen seems
Nov 05 20:19:47 <javispedro> screen is 100eu
Nov 05 20:19:53 <DocScrutinizer> no, for the front-plastic incl touchpad and earpiece
Nov 05 20:20:35 <Macer> mine is still in pretty good shape but that would be nice to keep around
Nov 05 20:20:42 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Nov 05 20:20:58 <javispedro> yeah, nice find. danke schön!
Nov 05 20:21:16 <DocScrutinizer> makes more sense than 3 x 20EUR for screen protectors (at least in my book)
Nov 05 20:21:44 <DocScrutinizer> yw
Nov 05 20:25:36 <kerio> so... i lost my stylus
Nov 05 20:25:43 <kerio> cheap replacements?
Nov 05 20:26:09 <marmoute> wood one
Nov 05 20:32:02 <DocScrutinizer> alternative source for stylii et al: http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900?page=2
Nov 05 20:33:46 <andax> Is there a maemo compatible Zeiss Cinemizer Plus or other video glasses? Or is this fun for iphone users only?
Nov 05 20:34:01 <DocScrutinizer> kerio: you've been offline or what? read backscroll!
Nov 05 20:36:54 <DocScrutinizer> kerio: >>Varastosaldo: 2 kpl<< for the 1 pcs qty stylus, >>Varastosaldo: 10 kpl<< for the pkg of 3
Nov 05 20:37:20 <kerio> in €?
Nov 05 20:37:36 <DocScrutinizer> that's qty available on stock AIUI
Nov 05 20:37:40 <kerio> ooh
Nov 05 20:37:41 <kerio> i see
Nov 05 20:37:45 <kerio> that 1.9€ is the shipping?
Nov 05 20:37:55 <kerio> i bought one from an italian ebay seller for 4.90€ shipped
Nov 05 20:38:00 <DocScrutinizer> guess yes
Nov 05 20:38:03 <andax> Ah, seems Zeiss demonstrated one Cinemizer for Nokia at CeBit but they dont offer it on the Zeiss homepage
Nov 05 20:43:39 <crashanddie> Stallmania, The Musical. Includes the top hits: If you vim me now, Canon in D minor by Bashelbel, GNU me a river, Highway to H(ttp), Hurds don't come easy. See it now ON ICE! IN 3D!
Nov 05 20:46:24 <crashanddie> "If you vim me now, you'll edit away the biggest part of me. GNU GNU GNU GNU-gnu, baby please don't :q!"
Nov 05 20:47:37 <kerio> Coder Friendly Luser Shifter
Nov 05 20:47:42 <DocScrutinizer> yet another one (so not to get flamed for product placement here :-P): http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/product_search.php search for N900
Nov 05 20:48:22 <crashanddie> kerio: the acronym for those words sounds like "cee-fil-lis" (syphilis)
Nov 05 20:48:34 <kerio> Use just once and destroy/Invasion of our piracy/Afterbirth of a nation/Starve without your skeleton key
Nov 05 20:48:40 <kerio> see, it fits
Nov 05 20:50:04 <crashanddie> man, I'm bored.
Nov 05 20:50:20 <steinex> crashanddie: haha
Nov 05 20:50:20 <crashanddie> If I have to invent musicals about Stallman, it should say something about my boredom.
Nov 05 20:53:25 <crashanddie> "Well I'm just a stallman, Linus' so far my best friend, But my hurds are coming out wrong and I reveal my heart to you and hope that you believe it's true, cause: Hurds, don't come easy to me. How can I find a way to you see, I love you, Hurds don't come easy"
Nov 05 20:54:34 <crashanddie> "This is just a simple licence, that I've made for you on my own, There's no hidden meaning you know, when I OPEN you honey, Please believe I really do"
Nov 05 20:55:07 <pupnik_> heheh
Nov 05 20:56:07 <kerio> RMS scares me :<
Nov 05 20:57:08 <crashanddie> Highway to http: "Living easy, living free. Season ticket on a one way stream. Asking nothing, leave me be. Taking everything on the tube, Don't need reason, don't need rhyme. Ain't nothing I would rather do, Going down, HAMMER TIME. My friends are gonna be leeching too."
Nov 05 20:57:47 <crashanddie> "I'm on a highway to http, No stop signs, speed limit. Nobody's gonna slow me down (except for the ISP's idiot)"
Nov 05 20:58:10 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie: video or it never happened! :-P
Nov 05 20:59:15 <crashanddie> "Like a tube, gonna milk it, nobody's gonna mess me around. Hey Gates, payed my dues, playing in an open source communityyyy, hey momma, look at meeeeeeeeeeee"
Nov 05 20:59:39 * khertan have probably brick his Meego Netbook 1.0 os while trying to upgrade it to 1.1
Nov 05 20:59:51 <DocScrutinizer> hahaha
Nov 05 20:59:53 <crashanddie> "I'm on my way to 404 land, I'm on a highway to httpeeeeeeee -- don't stop meeeeeee"
Nov 05 20:59:55 <tripzero> wups
Nov 05 21:00:34 <khertan> i'm want gtg on Maemo and with a sync ... :)
Nov 05 21:00:45 * khertan should do it but lacks of time
Nov 05 21:00:56 <crashanddie> khertan: story of my life, bro.
Nov 05 21:00:59 <khertan> :)
Nov 05 21:01:29 * DocScrutinizer burps and wonders if a 3rd latte macciato might help...
Nov 05 21:01:52 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer: depends, do you put whisky in your macchiato?
Nov 05 21:02:23 * DocScrutinizer should call the white dressed dudes with the comfy jacket, to give him a break
Nov 05 21:02:42 <crashanddie> if (DocScrutinizer.hasReply() && DocScrutinizer.nextReply() == True):
Nov 05 21:03:02 <crashanddie>     latte.mightHelp = True
Nov 05 21:03:05 <crashanddie> else:
Nov 05 21:03:13 <crashanddie>     latte.mightHelp = False
Nov 05 21:03:21 <DocScrutinizer> too bad, I *hate* whisky
Nov 05 21:03:39 <crashanddie> s/whisky/[insert favourite booze]/g
Nov 05 21:03:49 <crashanddie> I'll just go troll 4chan.
Nov 05 21:03:51 <DocScrutinizer> (too much black&white at age of 12 :-P)
Nov 05 21:04:00 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer: you racist :P
Nov 05 21:04:07 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Nov 05 21:04:17 <crashanddie> anyone got something for me to do?
Nov 05 21:04:23 <MohammadAG51> sure
Nov 05 21:04:27 <DocScrutinizer> rape repo
Nov 05 21:04:36 <MohammadAG51> change the stars when closing a window to a flame
Nov 05 21:04:39 <MohammadAG51> kthxbye
Nov 05 21:05:08 <crashanddie> reminds me of the guy who got trolled on one of those anonymous chat websites
Nov 05 21:05:40 <crashanddie> "Where u from?" "Japan, u?" "USA" "HAHA, Japan fucks USA" "Nagasaki" [disconnected]
Nov 05 21:06:07 <DocScrutinizer> let's start a DDoS to tmo. :-P So at least we are prepared for what's coming, and also we might control when it ends
Nov 05 21:06:21 <crashanddie> I can probably take tmo down
Nov 05 21:07:01 <crashanddie> but I'd most probably be perm-banned after that :P
Nov 05 21:07:09 <DocScrutinizer> it's probably easy to take it down (;-P), but not that simple to stop the whole mess then
Nov 05 21:07:27 <crashanddie> well, we can test
Nov 05 21:07:38 <mikki-kun> ~
Nov 05 21:07:38 <crashanddie> I run my magic for 30s, you tell me if it's down or not.
Nov 05 21:07:54 <DocScrutinizer> btw there's still that nice thing about unescaped HTML tags in garage :-P
Nov 05 21:08:36 <crashanddie> MohammadAG51: anything else?
Nov 05 21:08:58 * DocScrutinizer ponders how to make money out of a few million clicks to an arbitrary URL :-P
Nov 05 21:09:31 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer: ads?
Nov 05 21:09:38 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, probably
Nov 05 21:09:53 <DocScrutinizer> tbh I'm not so much into that
Nov 05 21:10:10 <crashanddie> I've heard about this
Nov 05 21:10:16 <crashanddie> "ad" thing on the interwebs
Nov 05 21:10:20 <crashanddie> never noticed them, though.
Nov 05 21:11:37 <crashanddie> MohammadAG51: here, might be of use: http://www.wikihow.com/Overcome-Loneliness-Through-Meditation-and-Positive-Thinking
Nov 05 21:11:42 <DocScrutinizer> tmo still alive - which by itself is rather astonishing, given the fact weekend is about to start
Nov 05 21:11:51 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer: you never said go!
Nov 05 21:11:57 <DocScrutinizer> GO!
Nov 05 21:12:00 <crashanddie> hang on
Nov 05 21:12:02 <crashanddie> need to clear some ram
Nov 05 21:12:05 <crashanddie> this sucker is hungry
Nov 05 21:12:40 <andax> crashanddie: you can gedit if you relay want
Nov 05 21:12:53 <DocScrutinizer> hehehe, good one
Nov 05 21:13:16 <andax> :-)
Nov 05 21:13:19 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer: going.
Nov 05 21:13:23 <DocScrutinizer> but you must tryyy, tryyy any tryyyyyy
Nov 05 21:13:36 <DocScrutinizer> yo, down
Nov 05 21:13:52 <DocScrutinizer> back to normal
Nov 05 21:13:58 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
Nov 05 21:14:00 <crashanddie> yup, cut it
Nov 05 21:14:12 <DocScrutinizer> BACON!
Nov 05 21:14:16 <crashanddie> MOAR?
Nov 05 21:14:25 <crashanddie> reggie is going to hate me :(
Nov 05 21:14:29 <DocScrutinizer> hehehe
Nov 05 21:14:39 <crashanddie> his log files just exploded
Nov 05 21:14:54 <crashanddie> he just about 4000 entries screaming "HTTP BAD REQUEST"
Nov 05 21:14:54 <DocScrutinizer> how's about some lolcatz on frontpage?
Nov 05 21:15:14 * DocScrutinizer cackles evilly
Nov 05 21:15:26 <crashanddie> it's amazing that just 4000 connections can bring most websites down
Nov 05 21:15:31 <crashanddie> and about 50KBps
Nov 05 21:15:40 <DocScrutinizer> yeah
Nov 05 21:16:01 <crashanddie> I'm still banned from riaa.org :(
Nov 05 21:16:08 <DocScrutinizer> logging is heavy, recovery of borked threads is heavy
Nov 05 21:16:20 <DocScrutinizer> aaaaaw
Nov 05 21:16:25 <crashanddie> well, this is just me clogging up all the listen() sockets
Nov 05 21:17:02 <DocScrutinizer> every apache has a max-threads setting I guess
Nov 05 21:17:12 <crashanddie> just sending a tiny bit of data, like "HTTP 1." and then waiting until the socket dies
Nov 05 21:17:30 <crashanddie> and because you're sending a tiny bit of starting-to-be-valid data, the server indulges
Nov 05 21:17:38 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Nov 05 21:19:00 <crashanddie> last time i tried this tool
Nov 05 21:19:07 <crashanddie> i did it on a friend's website I helped develop
Nov 05 21:19:09 <crashanddie> it runs django
Nov 05 21:19:13 <crashanddie> server fell over
Nov 05 21:19:17 <crashanddie> django flooded its own logs
Nov 05 21:19:27 <crashanddie> attack was maybe 1 minute
Nov 05 21:19:34 <crashanddie> django spent the 6 hours trying to get back up
Nov 05 21:19:36 <DocScrutinizer> let's take the repo as hostage and demand for proper setup to support -testing and -devel on PR1.2 :-P
Nov 05 21:20:01 <korhojoa> :DDD
Nov 05 21:20:29 <crashanddie> gentlemen, start your perl scripts
Nov 05 21:21:03 <crashanddie> so, anyone got scripting, coding, anything to do?
Nov 05 21:21:07 <crashanddie> fuck it, i'll do the dishes even!
Nov 05 21:21:42 <DocScrutinizer> we first need to send blackmail with our demands
Nov 05 21:22:09 <crashanddie> "OH HAI, CAN WEE HAZ TESTING ABYLITEES?"
Nov 05 21:22:37 <DocScrutinizer> "Don't mess with us, we shown we're EVIL"
Nov 05 21:23:12 <crashanddie> "We manipulated /b/ to attack Scientology. Think what they'll do to Nokia if we let them loose."
Nov 05 21:23:28 <DocScrutinizer> nokia: "*shrug*" - turns away
Nov 05 21:24:08 <crashanddie> /b/tards, start your LOICs!
Nov 05 21:24:29 <MohammadAG> <crashanddie> +MohammadAG51: anything else?
Nov 05 21:24:34 <MohammadAG> nope, fanks
Nov 05 21:24:35 <DocScrutinizer> next monday there'll be an add on tablets.nokia.com to join scientology
Nov 05 21:25:09 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, seriously, bringing down tmo on a weekend?
Nov 05 21:25:15 <MohammadAG> you must have better things to do
Nov 05 21:25:25 <crashanddie> well
Nov 05 21:25:27 <crashanddie> gf is working
Nov 05 21:25:32 <crashanddie> I could fap, but it
Nov 05 21:25:37 <crashanddie> it's too early.
Nov 05 21:26:01 <crashanddie> Colleagues are either spending time with their kids, or fucking morons
Nov 05 21:26:27 <jacekowski> i did that
Nov 05 21:26:35 <GAN900> Haha
Nov 05 21:26:45 <jacekowski> i was going out with a girl that had no brain at all
Nov 05 21:26:46 <MohammadAG> that =?
Nov 05 21:26:48 <GAN900> Adjective, verb or both?
Nov 05 21:27:02 <crashanddie> GAN900: adjective
Nov 05 21:27:07 <jacekowski> unless "fucking morons" was supposed to mean something else
Nov 05 21:27:25 <jacekowski> hmm, after analysing structure of that sentence
Nov 05 21:27:32 <crashanddie> (example: dude spent 2 hours on the phone IN FRONT OF MY FUCKING OFFICE, talking about World of Warcraft, and managing his guild, then comes into my office and says "man, I'm tired, my head is aching. And you look like you've done fuck all all day")
Nov 05 21:27:53 <jacekowski> i believe that was supposed to meant something else
Nov 05 21:28:11 <crashanddie> GAN900: I guess "spending time with their kids" could be the same as "fucking morons". Depending on the kid, obviously.
Nov 05 21:28:41 <crashanddie> I can't believe I just fucking said that on a logged channel.
Nov 05 21:29:08 <crashanddie> so, short answer, MohammadAG, no, I really don't have anything better to do.
Nov 05 21:29:38 <GAN900> crashanddie, clearly you should join his guild.
Nov 05 21:29:39 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, DDoS logs, duh!
Nov 05 21:29:50 <jacekowski> my server would survive
Nov 05 21:29:54 <MohammadAG> I don't get what WoW is about
Nov 05 21:29:56 <GAN900> Go out and take some pictures.
Nov 05 21:29:56 <crashanddie> jacekowski: it would?
Nov 05 21:29:59 <jacekowski> yes
Nov 05 21:30:09 <crashanddie> jacekowski.org?
Nov 05 21:30:22 <jacekowski> yes
Nov 05 21:30:23 <GAN900> MohammadAG, well, there are two groups: idiots who think they're good, and idiots who think they're rebels. . . .
Nov 05 21:30:52 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer: is jacekowski.org still up?
Nov 05 21:30:57 * MohammadAG gets popcorn
Nov 05 21:31:10 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, yes, it is
Nov 05 21:31:14 <crashanddie> hmm
Nov 05 21:31:17 <crashanddie> let's try again
Nov 05 21:33:00 <crashanddie> still up?
Nov 05 21:33:08 <jacekowski> yes
Nov 05 21:33:12 <MohammadAG> yep
Nov 05 21:33:24 <crashanddie> It's not just you! http://jacekowski.org looks down from here.
Nov 05 21:34:16 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, Just a bit of software i patched long time ago and decided to share now. ...
Nov 05 21:34:30 <MohammadAG> looks up from here
Nov 05 21:34:55 <KMFDM> GAN900, what about idiots who think they are good rebels :p
Nov 05 21:35:53 <Psi> hm.. so i removed quake3 before updating to pr1.3, can i just reinstall it now or do i need to wait for a new version of quake3?
Nov 05 21:36:20 <jacekowski> crashanddie: try again
Nov 05 21:36:27 <PaulFertser> Psi: hey, is that really you?! :)
Nov 05 21:36:31 <Psi> yep
Nov 05 21:36:35 <Psi> hey
Nov 05 21:36:45 <PaulFertser> Psi: wow, i'm rather pleased to see you.
Nov 05 21:36:49 <Psi> heh
Nov 05 21:36:50 <lcuk> psi, you mean quake 4? *GRIN*
Nov 05 21:37:08 <Psi> heh
Nov 05 21:37:12 <crashanddie> jacekowski: going
Nov 05 21:37:42 <crashanddie> jacekowski: it doesn't survive the initial burst, but drops me after the initial connections have been dropped?
Nov 05 21:38:11 <crashanddie> still up?
Nov 05 21:38:18 <lcuk> crashanddie, take your ddosing activities elsewhere
Nov 05 21:38:27 <crashanddie> lcuk: he asked me!
Nov 05 21:39:08 <jacekowski> crashanddie: i'm tweaking connection limits and stuff
Nov 05 21:39:15 <crashanddie> k
Nov 05 21:43:24 <crashanddie> ~ping
Nov 05 21:43:25 <infobot> ~pong
Nov 05 21:43:31 <jacekowski> ok
Nov 05 21:43:32 <jacekowski> try now
Nov 05 21:43:34 <crashanddie> hmm, I dos'd my router there for a second
Nov 05 21:43:42 <crashanddie> lol :P
Nov 05 21:43:56 <crashanddie> jacekowski: I'm not even denting it
Nov 05 21:44:02 <crashanddie> jacekowski: do you see my connections at least?
Nov 05 21:44:13 <jacekowski> some of them
Nov 05 21:44:38 <crashanddie> where the hell are you hosted, want :P
Nov 05 21:44:54 <jacekowski> sysinfo.jacekowski.org/
Nov 05 21:47:08 <kerio> LOL REISERFS
Nov 05 21:47:14 <crashanddie> murderer :P
Nov 05 21:47:19 <jacekowski>  22:42:03 up 46 days,  6:07,  3 users,  load average: 44.55, 17.46, 6.58
Nov 05 21:47:31 <jacekowski> after i tweaked apache settings
Nov 05 21:47:35 <crashanddie> jacekowski: that's not me :P
Nov 05 21:47:37 <jacekowski> and i'm running apachebench from localhost
Nov 05 21:47:42 <crashanddie> ah, ok
Nov 05 21:47:48 <crashanddie> jacekowski: OVH has DoS protection
Nov 05 21:48:08 <jacekowski> and it's php that starts having problem
Nov 05 21:48:12 <jacekowski> not apache
Nov 05 21:48:30 <jacekowski> 1007 requests currently being processed, 193 idle workers
Nov 05 21:50:00 * andax is 'dpkg --configure -a || apt-get install -f'-ing because the storage was full what broke the package db because of that...
Nov 05 21:50:03 <andax> : _cache->open() failed, please report.
Nov 05 21:52:52 <andax> what else could i try to sort it out?
Nov 05 21:52:53 <crashanddie> jacekowski: I'm impressed :)
Nov 05 21:54:14 <DrGrov> What could I use my N900 for since I do not tend to use it as a phone? Any cool suggestions?
Nov 05 21:54:25 <DrGrov> It is just there without any purpose...
Nov 05 21:54:38 <zokier> irc works nicely on it...
Nov 05 21:55:12 <DrGrov> zokier: Oh, that would be a nice thing. I tend to use only WiFi on it and no SIM card so that is definitely a cool thing to use it for.
Nov 05 21:55:17 <DrGrov> zokier: thanks :)
Nov 05 21:56:13 <andax> DrGrov: i use it to stream internet radio into my fm radio from my hifi stereo equipment
Nov 05 21:57:25 <andax> DrGrov: me too, i do not use the SIM card functionality
Nov 05 21:59:16 <DrGrov> andax: Ok. That is another good thing to use it for then :)
Nov 05 21:59:25 <DrGrov> andax: Thanks
Nov 05 21:59:33 <crashanddie> jacekowski: how much are you paying for that machine? 80 quid a month?
Nov 05 21:59:49 <andax> DrGrov: i recommend 16bit.fm russian electronic music channel without commercial ads
Nov 05 21:59:52 <johnsq> Hi
Nov 05 22:00:01 <DrGrov> I kind of feel that I do not want to sell it and it use it for something cool as you zokier and andax recommended.
Nov 05 22:00:16 <DrGrov> andax: Yes, sounds great. Commercial ads are a PITA.
Nov 05 22:00:54 <andax> indeed :)
Nov 05 22:01:52 <jacekowski> ah
Nov 05 22:01:57 <jacekowski> my eaccelerator was broken
Nov 05 22:02:02 <jacekowski> that's why it was so slow
Nov 05 22:02:22 <jacekowski> crashanddie: almost somewhere around that
Nov 05 22:02:44 <jacekowski> Requests per second:    118.75 [#/sec] (mean)
Nov 05 22:02:50 <jacekowski> full php and mysql pages
Nov 05 22:03:37 <crashanddie> damn
Nov 05 22:03:47 <jacekowski> Requests per second:    1217.27 [#/sec] (mean)
Nov 05 22:03:51 <jacekowski> simple phpinfo
Nov 05 22:03:52 <crashanddie> where is it hosted? in france?
Nov 05 22:03:56 <jacekowski> yes
Nov 05 22:04:13 <andax> DrGrov: add http://16bit.fm:9000 to the media player for the main channel. You can activate the fm transmitter from within the media player
Nov 05 22:05:35 <ALoGeNo> hi there
Nov 05 22:06:35 <andax> hi ALoGeNo
Nov 05 22:09:47 <jacekowski> hmm, mysql is doing over 5000q/s
Nov 05 22:16:01 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: depends?
Nov 05 22:16:25 <ds3> 9
Nov 05 22:21:42 <DrGrov> andax: Then I think I will use my computer instead though since it is connected to the home sound system.
Nov 05 22:27:02 <DocScrutinizer> DrGrov: I frequently use N900 to watch TV lifestreams
Nov 05 22:28:34 <andax> DocScrutinizer: via zattoo?
Nov 05 22:29:46 <DocScrutinizer> andax: nah, e.g http://www.3sat.de/mediathek/?mode=aktuell
Nov 05 22:30:06 <DocScrutinizer> microb->mediaplayer
Nov 05 22:30:55 <DrGrov> DocScrutinizer: How does that really work? Works flawlessly?
Nov 05 22:31:05 <DocScrutinizer> mostly WFM, on DSL-1MB setting,
Nov 05 22:31:08 <DrGrov> DocScrutinizer: And sorry, still not sent you the two horned adapter :D
Nov 05 22:31:27 <DocScrutinizer> np
Nov 05 22:31:46 <DrGrov> DocScrutinizer: I know that I should send it for you but time keeps running away with work.
Nov 05 22:32:26 <DocScrutinizer> it's not really important, as it doesn't block any of my projects. Just better I get it rather than you trash it
Nov 05 22:33:15 <javispedro> oh, big news
Nov 05 22:33:34 <DrGrov> DocScrutinizer: yes, that is true. it is a shame to lay waste to an two horned adapter
Nov 05 22:33:36 <javispedro> on pr1.2 behaviour while shutting down the device with unkillable process was to wd reboot
Nov 05 22:33:48 <javispedro> on pr1.3 device hangs
Nov 05 22:33:57 <javispedro> I thought pr1.2 behaviour was a feature, guess I was wrong.
Nov 05 22:34:24 <DocScrutinizer> err, unkillable process? WTF is that?
Nov 05 22:34:57 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: uninterruptable or whatever is called. waiting for read() on down nfs, etc.
Nov 05 22:34:58 <DocScrutinizer> even PID-1 is killable afaik
Nov 05 22:35:33 <javispedro> how to unmount a nfs mount, when remote is down, using messybox only?
Nov 05 22:35:49 <andax> DocScrutinizer: ah, i see
Nov 05 22:35:55 <DocScrutinizer> ouch, yes. If it gets stuck in a kernel function, even with a spinlock(?) that *might* actually get nasty
Nov 05 22:36:41 <andax> DrGrov: the barcode reader app is nice too, i tried it on some products from the supermarket and realized that they try to kill me :)
Nov 05 22:36:49 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: screwed
Nov 05 22:36:52 <javispedro> issue is that now icd2 's been killed so even if I get the server back up n900 is hanged
Nov 05 22:37:08 <javispedro> poor battery cover. How I miss a reset hole.
Nov 05 22:37:51 * DocScrutinizer drills a reset hole to javispedro 's battery cover :-D
Nov 05 22:37:58 <DrGrov> andax: :)
Nov 05 22:38:01 <DrGrov> andax: lol
Nov 05 22:38:47 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: oops, sorry for that useless hole. Actually on N900/BL-5J sort of contacts it's useless
Nov 05 22:39:57 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: I could drill TWO holes for you, so you can short the battery with a paperclip
Nov 05 22:40:21 <javispedro> I prefer a sw only solution
Nov 05 22:40:22 <DocScrutinizer> dunno if it would ever recover
Nov 05 22:40:23 <javispedro> I'm thinking
Nov 05 22:40:55 <DocScrutinizer> JMP 0x00000000 ?
Nov 05 22:41:03 <javispedro> what if long pressing power button kills wd feeder
Nov 05 22:41:16 <DocScrutinizer> should suffice
Nov 05 22:41:18 <javispedro> so a wd reboot would be guaranteed in ~30s
Nov 05 22:41:24 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Nov 05 22:41:42 <lardman|home> night all
Nov 05 22:41:46 <javispedro> nite lardman|home
Nov 05 22:41:51 <DocScrutinizer> but I'm sure you can trigger a hardware reset directly, without help of wd
Nov 05 22:42:27 <javispedro> yes, but I want to let it initiate proper shutdown first, but also _guarantee_ it will eventually either shutdown or reboot
Nov 05 22:42:55 <DocScrutinizer> somehow you have to be able to tell twl4030 "shut down NOW, unconditionally"
Nov 05 22:43:53 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: there's some reason twl4030 register writes(? only writes) usually get locked and you need a special key sequence to unlock them
Nov 05 22:44:02 <DocScrutinizer> that's how I got it
Nov 05 22:45:20 <DocScrutinizer> nice exercise - how to trigger hw POR on N900
Nov 05 22:45:38 <javispedro> I would call the kernel
Nov 05 22:45:50 <DocScrutinizer> cat /proc/kmem :-P
Nov 05 22:46:13 <andax> DocScrutinizer: codecheck.info turned out to be most reliable and concise webresource for barcodes of stuff sold  in germany and switzerland
Nov 05 22:47:08 <andax> sometimes youre faster by typing the number by hand but its cooler with the camera barcode scan :)
Nov 05 22:47:08 <DocScrutinizer> andax: :nod:, how would I integrate it to mbarcode?
Nov 05 22:48:25 <DocScrutinizer> I guess mbarcode needs a button to execute arbitrary shell cmd with %1 replaced by the actual barcode reading
Nov 05 22:48:27 <andax> DocScrutinizer: there is a addon package "web resources" or something like that, its in it
Nov 05 22:48:34 <DocScrutinizer> ooh
Nov 05 22:49:21 <andax> the url looks like this: http://www.codecheck.info/mobi/results?text=28108160
Nov 05 22:49:22 * javispedro ponders
Nov 05 22:49:33 <andax> number = barcode
Nov 05 22:49:33 <javispedro> what I should do instead is port autofs to n900, then use that to mount nfs
Nov 05 22:49:53 * javispedro likes
Nov 05 22:50:27 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: NFS is known to be a PITA and a bitch when it comes to stale locks
Nov 05 22:50:55 <javispedro> yeah, so I think autofs with a short timeout makes sense here (mobile device, etc.)
Nov 05 22:51:14 <javispedro> a pita I need to build kernel modules for it iirc
Nov 05 22:51:32 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: iirc there are some options to teach NFS(-2?) to somewhat behave. But honestly everything else looks better than NFS
Nov 05 22:52:13 <javispedro> not going to use cifs here :P
Nov 05 22:52:20 <DocScrutinizer> sshfs for example seems can even reconnect
Nov 05 22:52:28 <javispedro> fuse??? bah
Nov 05 22:52:37 <DocScrutinizer> what's wrong with fuse?
Nov 05 22:53:34 <javispedro> nothing per se, but I need no encryption here
Nov 05 22:53:47 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
Nov 05 22:54:32 <DocScrutinizer> so maybe you're actually better off with samba
Nov 05 22:56:09 <javispedro> basically, what I need is: a way to mount a directory from my workstation onto my n900, with posix semantics, and some performance, client caching also valuable. no need for encryption, security. and I also need to be able to umount it if for some reason I am away from LAN and cannot reach workstation.
Nov 05 23:04:15 <Psi> just fyi, if you mount a smb share on PC X from the n900 and then PC X is swithed off or unplugged the n900 can get into a state where it uses the battery very quick
Nov 05 23:05:47 <Toaster`> Hi all. I seem to have lost my e-mail desktop widget (not on the desktop, not available to add), and am keen to get it back. I've tried to find its parent package to no avail. Any pointers?
Nov 05 23:06:12 <Psi> its probably hidden under another icon
Nov 05 23:06:54 <andax> client caching? o_O
Nov 05 23:07:08 <andax> else i would think you just want SSH
Nov 05 23:07:27 <Toaster`> Psi: I tried moving the other widgets about, but no joy.
Nov 05 23:07:35 <Psi> hm..
Nov 05 23:07:58 <Psi> is it still missing after a reboot?
Nov 05 23:08:19 <Toaster`> I figure just re-installing the parent package might help, but I can't figure out what that is.
Nov 05 23:08:28 <Toaster`> yes, several reboots.
Nov 05 23:09:04 <Toaster`> and it was a while ago now, so I've forgotten what packages I've installed updated since then.
Nov 05 23:09:44 <Psi> the widget is probably running ya just cant see it
Nov 05 23:10:00 <Psi> otherwise it should be in the list of ones available to add
Nov 05 23:10:30 <Psi> id try to find out how you manually remove a widget from the desktop
Nov 05 23:10:40 <Psi> then see if its there and remove it
Nov 05 23:11:02 <Psi> then you should be able to re-add it
Nov 05 23:39:58 <javispedro> aha
Nov 05 23:40:10 * javispedro discovers intr,soft nfs mount options
Nov 05 23:41:59 <mc_teo> hey
Nov 05 23:42:25 <javispedro> hm.
Nov 05 23:42:40 <javispedro> so init scripts seem to fsck /home at boot? nice touch.
Nov 05 23:42:40 <mc_teo> is there any AIM plugin for the conversations
Nov 05 23:43:01 <javispedro> only if first mount fails, thought. hmpf.
Nov 05 23:43:04 <mc_teo> or rather, integrated with conversations
Nov 05 23:51:05 <ds3> nice... teh zoomed out view in PR1.3 shows video scaled down
Nov 05 23:59:34 <Gorroth> javispedro: was your popcorn good?  i want you to know i pooped in it
Nov 06 00:00:53 <javispedro> that's so old my long-term memory already forgot about it.
Nov 06 00:01:04 <Gorroth> that's old age
Nov 06 00:01:13 <javispedro> no doubt.
Nov 06 01:06:35 <Shapeshifter> now, there's lots of really bad stuff about the n900, but, although there's always the possibility of subjective perception, I've got the impression that the audio quality coming out the headphone jack is pretty brilliant
Nov 06 01:07:00 <Airforlife> does anybody here know how i can combine 2 awk scripts ?
Nov 06 01:07:01 <Shapeshifter> at least, better than my crappy ipod
Nov 06 01:07:31 <Shapeshifter> Airforlife: 'combine'? just do it?
Nov 06 01:11:42 <Airforlife> Shapeshifter: check out private
Nov 06 01:15:24 <Shapeshifter> nope
Nov 06 01:20:29 <Airforlife> nope ?
Nov 06 01:20:29 <SpeedEvil> Airforlife: how do you combine two cheeses.
Nov 06 01:20:42 <SpeedEvil> Airforlife: it's not a question that has a sensible answer.
Nov 06 01:21:27 <lcuk> SpeedEvil, i have a tray of cheese nibbles downstairs
Nov 06 01:25:42 <Airforlife> SpeedEvil: wow, gosh, you're so cool
Nov 06 01:33:13 <javispedro> W. T. F.
Nov 06 01:33:27 <javispedro> ovi mail  soon to be yahoo mail?
Nov 06 01:34:03 <ieatlint> uh.. source?
Nov 06 01:34:10 <javispedro> http://blog.ovi.com/2010/11/06/mail-and-chat-soon-to-be-powered-by-yahoo/
Nov 06 01:36:23 <ieatlint> heh... that's... yeah ....
Nov 06 01:38:00 <ieatlint> in other news, i just found one of those stickers you find on bananas inside a sock i recently laundered
Nov 06 01:38:00 * javispedro smells something about "wanting to approach the USA market"...
Nov 06 01:41:11 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: ( intr,soft nfs mount options) didn't I mention some options to make NFS "behave"
Nov 06 01:46:39 <DocScrutinizer> yahoo mail, omg. Even worse than gmail
Nov 06 01:48:05 <ieatlint> poor yahoo... they don't seem to realise they're dead
Nov 06 01:48:30 <ieatlint> anyone notice yahoo's website has gone down twice over the past 2 weeks... once for about 4 hours, and once for about an hour?
Nov 06 01:52:29 <SpeedEvil> Anyone notice ovi repos have gone down for ...
Nov 06 01:52:58 <SpeedEvil> I have a yahoo mail account - I pick up mail there once in a blue moon.
Nov 06 01:54:33 <ieatlint> was more of a joke that no, no one did notice
Nov 06 02:40:41 <DocScrutinizer> ~no, hostmode is https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/h-e-n-devel/2010/000035.html, or SUCCESS
Nov 06 02:41:02 <DocScrutinizer> infobot: no, hostmode is https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/h-e-n-devel/2010/000035.html, or SUCCESS
Nov 06 02:41:02 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer
Nov 06 02:43:49 <johnx> DocScrutinizer, hot sauce!
Nov 06 02:45:27 <DocScrutinizer> infobot: no, hostmode is https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/h-e-n-devel/2010/000035.html, or https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=h-e-n;a=commit;h=d7f76e505b16f7e9305c59c51d02fb1473ab5b2c - or simply *SUCCESS*
Nov 06 02:45:27 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer
Nov 06 02:48:55 <DocScrutinizer> ~tell javispedro about hostmode
Nov 06 02:50:48 <javispedro> nice
Nov 06 02:50:58 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: ^^^ thanks for the device :-)
Nov 06 02:53:39 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, what was this new image flashing thing identified?
Nov 06 02:53:51 * lcuk recalls something but cannot pinpoint details
Nov 06 02:56:13 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: that's about as good as it gets. We seem to find no way to switch LS/FS while FORCE_HOST, and we need to set FORCe_HOST prior to applying VBUS otherwise we run into device-mode deadend. And we can't detect LS vs FS/HS periph without VBUS. Also CONNECT-IRQ is expected to miss while FORCE_HOST (according SPRUF98D), so we need "echo F" to start session/enum
Nov 06 02:57:09 <javispedro> the patch seems simple enough
Nov 06 02:57:17 <javispedro> though I guess I'm missing the entire repo history here
Nov 06 02:58:25 <DocScrutinizer> It's low ++/-- count, it's complicated to get the *right* ones :-P
Nov 06 02:58:29 <pupnik_> before we die, let's try to teach
Nov 06 02:58:50 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: sorry?
Nov 06 02:59:16 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: PLEASE REPHRASE
Nov 06 02:59:22 <DocScrutinizer> opps capslock
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