**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 11 02:59:57 2010 Nov 11 03:37:59 good morning Nov 11 04:26:09 hi Nov 11 04:26:22 uploading my second revision of the ettercap package to extras-devel Nov 11 04:40:06 okay, package is in extras-devel now. this time it supports ncurses and also GTK Nov 11 04:40:36 and it has PCRE support in it. so, it has everything except passive DNS. can't figure out yet why -lresolv isn't working for that Nov 11 05:47:30 where can I change the behaviour of the screen-off timer - Apart from the gui which does not allow me a "no screen off" option. Nov 11 05:48:42 on charge the screen stays on, but when fully charged and still plugged in because of the usb network the screen goes off according to the timer, making my vnc session a bit redundant :( Nov 11 05:50:03 what I would do is check gconf for the timeout Nov 11 05:50:16 you might be abe to set it to an arbitrary number Nov 11 05:57:17 johnx: gconf is where? Nov 11 05:57:40 gconftool -R / | more Nov 11 05:58:02 the values are stored in multiple places Nov 11 05:58:33 ok - thanks Nov 11 05:59:06 fwiw - this has only become an issue since the recent os update.... Nov 11 06:02:43 ah, isn't there a setting to keep the screen on while charging? Nov 11 06:05:45 johnx: yes - but when it's fully charged it is not "charging" anymore and the screen timer kicks in Nov 11 06:06:05 that has to be a mistake ... Nov 11 06:06:15 (I mean on their part, not yours) Nov 11 06:07:06 yes Nov 11 06:07:20 I reckon it's a bug in the update Nov 11 06:08:08 anyways, on the N8x0 there was no "screen on during charging" but there was a way to change the list of time-outs in the menu Nov 11 06:08:17 24 hours is a pretty good choice, for example :) Nov 11 06:10:21 yea - I'd set it for something like 2 hours, as that is probably the maximum I will use vnc for Nov 11 06:17:26 johnx: that gconftool thingie is going to take me a week to read :( Nov 11 06:22:08 johnx: thank goodness I brought it up in a screen session ;) Nov 11 06:23:13 jpinx-eeepc, awesome. use the 'search' tool in screen to look for likely candidates: timeout, display, screen, dim, and that kind of thing Nov 11 06:23:55 yep - just been doing that ;) Nov 11 06:32:27 Maemo ULTimate BOOTloader - what's that? Nov 11 06:37:12 sounds like a ultimate bootloader Nov 11 06:37:15 for maemo Nov 11 06:38:46 u-boot? one more shellscript like bootmenu? Nov 11 06:40:45 or a famous deli sandwich Nov 11 06:41:00 Is the "smscon" application developer around ? Nov 11 06:47:36 * slonopotamus wonders what's the point posting flash videos that require flash10 on maemo planet that is likely to be read with maemo devices that do not have flash10 Nov 11 06:48:42 to mess with people Nov 11 06:48:46 and have a good laugh? Nov 11 06:48:59 another question is what was the reason to require flash10 at all. Nov 11 06:49:14 I belive thats default if you create a flash.. Nov 11 06:49:36 default is upload to youtube/vimeo/whatever Nov 11 06:50:55 Appiah: that just makes me think that poster is kinda short-minded Nov 11 06:51:13 or doesn't use maemo devices actually :) Nov 11 06:51:19 then complain to the poster? Nov 11 06:52:00 * slonopotamus yawns Nov 11 06:52:27 Appiah: will do on next post maybe :) Nov 11 06:53:48 * slonopotamus tries to remember how to disable that braindamaged thing that triggers reboot on n8x0 on intensive swapping Nov 11 06:55:33 slonopotamus, watchdog? Nov 11 06:56:00 johnx: afair, yep Nov 11 06:56:00 wasn't flash 10 released for the n900 in *some* way? Nov 11 06:56:15 nope Nov 11 06:56:23 or do you mean flashtweak? Nov 11 06:56:25 kerio: "some way" - ? Nov 11 06:56:39 slonopotamus: wink wink nudge nudge saynomore Nov 11 06:56:42 slonopotamus: that's... special. Nov 11 07:01:08 kerio: maemo has 9,0,277,0 Nov 11 07:05:32 my N900 is running dnsmasqd, is this part of the normal install, or is this something that came with some other package? Nov 11 07:05:56 normal install Nov 11 07:06:22 hm, so my DNS64/NAT64 problems shouldn't be related to this? :P Nov 11 07:06:39 well, it could be Nov 11 07:06:56 but a reflash probably won't fix it Nov 11 07:07:35 because the t-mobile people are saying they have 100 N900 users on DNS64/NAT64 working fine Nov 11 07:08:27 I was like "NAT64 on t-mo?!" then, I remembered you're on t-mo in a different country :) Nov 11 07:09:05 they're running test customers in the US. I'm in sweden, and I work for Tele2, we have 2G/3G/4G too. Nov 11 07:09:21 jpinx-eeepc: ( but when it's fully charged it is not "charging" anymore and the screen timer kicks in ) this would mean this is either a new bug in 1.3, or it completely nonsensically occurs only when charging via host but not for wallwart charger Nov 11 07:09:29 so my test isn't really related to t-mobile apart from me exchanging experiences with them Nov 11 07:10:12 DocScrutinizer, jpinx-eeepc indicated it was new behavior with PR1.3, as far as he could tell Nov 11 07:10:30 DocScrutinizer: the latter is most unlikely, and the behaviour most definitely only started after the update Nov 11 07:10:48 johnx: so another side effect aka bug introduced by 161191 :-/ Nov 11 07:11:09 #161191 Nov 11 07:11:16 hm, changing resolver to our DNS64-gateway doesn't seem to fix it, so it's not related to dnsmasqd Nov 11 07:11:29 johnx: NB#161191 Nov 11 07:11:39 infobot, you're lazy Nov 11 07:11:49 aaah, well that's not helpful then Nov 11 07:11:59 no, infobot is out of the gane Nov 11 07:12:02 game* Nov 11 07:12:13 lazybot ) Nov 11 07:12:18 infobot, sorry. we're all in this together it seems Nov 11 07:12:18 povbot is lost on NB# Nov 11 07:13:39 johnx: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=h-e-n;a=blobdiff;f=drivers/usb/musb/musb_core.c;h=6cb7d13fdf067c95ff943ae0326598a9ef6f9d6f;hp=6adab83d7948b98b7d9fece2c921f94b8965a25a;hb=a2abd51199b9e61542a24ae9086ac1c6263106c4;hpb=a78d411c6518eb7dd038eef6668f78a7e6c14ec4 Nov 11 07:13:56 hm, so I've had my N900 since newyears, only repo I have enabled is extras-testing, and I haven't really mucked around that much with other weird packages (I've installed nmap, traceroute, tcpdump and a few others), updated normally via appmanager. I don't really have experience with re-flashing, how much work is it to get back to where I was if I re-flash it? is there an especially good guide for this? Nov 11 07:14:19 we (council, kernel hackers) already decided it has to die, err get reverted Nov 11 07:15:07 though I can't yet make a story out of the timer thing and how it's related to this Nov 11 07:15:12 is http://www.maemofanatics.com/how-to-flash-your-nokia-n900/ still working? Nov 11 07:15:25 SwedeMike, take a backup, reflash, apply the parts of the backup you want to keep, possibly redo settings in apps that don't hook into the backup system Nov 11 07:15:27 reinstall apps Nov 11 07:15:30 SwedeMike: you want doublereflash? why? Nov 11 07:15:56 slonopotamus_: I have weird problems with IPv6 that I have a hard time diagnosing, so I'm considering reflash Nov 11 07:16:10 ~flash Nov 11 07:16:11 i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 11 07:16:21 do a backup first Nov 11 07:16:32 restore after flashing Nov 11 07:16:49 though odds are you restore your problems as well Nov 11 07:17:13 m, might be. Nov 11 07:17:14 I tend to restore just my contacts and message log Nov 11 07:17:21 on a second thought... as backup app only backups apps that came by HAM... Nov 11 07:17:49 DocScrutinizer, not necessarily true I think. I think apps make an entry to have their stuff backed up Nov 11 07:18:00 well, you're free to reflash as often as you like, and to restore partially Nov 11 07:18:09 exactly Nov 11 07:18:15 * timeless_mbp grumbles Nov 11 07:18:18 johnx: so... Nov 11 07:18:30 timeless_mbp, dead hard drive Nov 11 07:18:37 oki, I have plenty of time this evening or tomorrow so I'm going to try that. Nov 11 07:18:39 what's the "easiest" way to move the system's date to X; do something and restore date to Y Nov 11 07:18:48 johnx: ignoring that for a bit Nov 11 07:19:05 date -s && echo I'm in the future && date -s Nov 11 07:19:08 I think it's -s Nov 11 07:19:12 man date Nov 11 07:19:13 timeless_mbp: that's been a question? Nov 11 07:19:38 DocScrutinizer: my mac is panic'ing under zfs Nov 11 07:19:40 but why not just do it now and then touch the file with whatever date you want Nov 11 07:19:53 johnx: because i'm talking to a stupid program Nov 11 07:20:00 which validates certificates against system time Nov 11 07:20:30 stop ntp, date -s, do whatever you want Nov 11 07:20:43 not really sufficient Nov 11 07:21:03 to do that, i need to also store ticks since system boot and then properly restore them Nov 11 07:21:04 ?? Nov 11 07:21:18 err sure? Nov 11 07:21:44 eh? Nov 11 07:22:13 timeless_mbp found mushrooms Nov 11 07:22:34 DocScrutinizer, let's watch to see if they're the kind that kill him or the kind that trip him out Nov 11 07:22:37 date requires one to set minutes Nov 11 07:22:43 (vaguely annoying) Nov 11 07:22:50 -f for input format Nov 11 07:22:57 I like seconds since the epoch myself Nov 11 07:24:08 ideally i could say "set the date to today - Xdays" Nov 11 07:24:14 and "set the date to today + Xdays" Nov 11 07:24:41 timeless_mbp: so do it, just do it Nov 11 07:24:48 so write a script ... Nov 11 07:24:53 bash isn't hard. I promise Nov 11 07:25:10 date -s "friday next week teatime" Nov 11 07:25:30 ^^^ valid for gnu date Nov 11 07:25:38 PHP's date handling is close to that ... Nov 11 07:25:48 I think os x uses bsd date Nov 11 07:25:55 osx does Nov 11 07:26:04 thankfully i only have to talk to n900's busybox date Nov 11 07:26:14 and maybe gnu date if someone is stupid enough to poison their n900 Nov 11 07:26:44 messybox, pffft Nov 11 07:26:46 * timeless_mbp tries to figure out what busybox date likes Nov 11 07:26:47 i still don't get why we're using busybox instead of something good Nov 11 07:26:55 nuttin Nov 11 07:27:04 kerio: can we not go there? Nov 11 07:27:13 some of us need to get work done in time for a presentation on meego Nov 11 07:27:14 messybox likes nuttin, and nobody likes messybox Nov 11 07:27:19 no, let's go there Nov 11 07:27:22 DocScrutinizer: sounds about right Nov 11 07:27:30 long ride to school, i have nothing fun to do Nov 11 07:27:58 kerio: RAM footprint, mainly Nov 11 07:28:04 kerio: write me a script which: sets date to +/- Xdays; runs arbitrary command, sets date to -/+ Xdays Nov 11 07:28:13 s/RAM/ROM/ Nov 11 07:28:24 timeless_mbp: nothanks Nov 11 07:28:26 well, maybe both Nov 11 07:28:34 kerio: you said you have nothing to do! Nov 11 07:29:19 timeless_mbp: may the script consist of apt-get install cmds as well? :-P Nov 11 07:29:31 DocScrutinizer: what are you going to install? Nov 11 07:29:39 date, obviously Nov 11 07:30:10 good morning folks! Nov 11 07:31:05 it does seem to insist on minutes Nov 11 07:31:42 timeless_mbp: my script so far starts with apt-get install easy-debian Nov 11 07:32:00 actually, timeless_mbp, there's a pretty simple way to do it, having date do most of the conversion work Nov 11 07:32:02 I think ... Nov 11 07:32:19 johnx: what worries me is that i can't see any safe way to undo drift Nov 11 07:32:53 it really needs to let me say "set clock back -Xdays" Nov 11 07:33:09 it will Nov 11 07:33:19 it's ok for me to do "set clock back -Xminutes" Nov 11 07:33:19 well, the little function I'm writing will Nov 11 07:33:32 johnx: not with messybox date, it's braindead Nov 11 07:34:11 DocScrutinizer, well, you have to do the conversion, then set the time, I mean, yeah, maybe we'll be off by a couple seconds Nov 11 07:34:12 undo drift? o.O Nov 11 07:34:23 nah, not that Nov 11 07:34:40 just make a date wrapper that understands setting the clock back by n time-units Nov 11 07:34:45 dudes!! Nov 11 07:34:50 but yeah, who cares about the drift :P Nov 11 07:35:10 date -s whatever; do whatever; hwclock --hctosys Nov 11 07:35:28 that sounds good too Nov 11 07:35:56 where you all found those mushrooms? :-P Nov 11 07:37:11 hmmh, I think I'll change my web interface thingie from php to cgi or something Nov 11 07:37:43 IroN900:~# date Nov 11 07:37:45 Do., 11. Nov. 2010 08:31:21 GMT-1 Nov 11 07:37:46 IroN900:~# date -d "-5 days" Nov 11 07:37:48 Sa., 6. Nov. 2010 08:31:35 GMT-1 Nov 11 07:38:09 apt-get install core-utils-gnu Nov 11 07:39:05 s/-d/-s/ ; for really setting the time Nov 11 07:39:36 oh Nov 11 07:39:40 we do have /sbin/hwclock Nov 11 07:40:03 warning: also busybox Nov 11 07:40:05 *shrug* yep, that's not like diablo Nov 11 07:40:20 it was missing? Nov 11 07:40:27 afaik yes Nov 11 07:44:29 are there instructions in the wiki on flashing kernel only? Nov 11 07:44:33 with flasher Nov 11 07:44:56 mece, flasher --help will tell you Nov 11 07:45:05 it's -k for kernel only Nov 11 07:45:50 johnx, well it was not for me Nov 11 07:46:02 http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=15471&stc=1&d=1289459626 Nov 11 07:46:11 * mece sighs Nov 11 07:46:43 the "noob friendly" tutorial for dual booting meego at work Nov 11 07:47:03 tell them to google: maemo flasher kernel only Nov 11 07:47:20 first link is to the maemo wiki with the proper instructions Nov 11 07:47:30 ah, well, kinda Nov 11 07:47:49 * timeless_mbp sighs Nov 11 07:48:02 i know i've created a 0 length symlink on bsd before Nov 11 07:48:04 * timeless_mbp can't remember how Nov 11 07:51:20 ah /tmp's file system doesn't support it! Nov 11 07:52:19 johnx, gave him this http://lmgtfy.com/?q=maemo+flash+kernel+only&l=1 Nov 11 07:52:21 :D Nov 11 07:52:29 mece++ Nov 11 07:52:55 timeless_mbp: (offset. drift?): Nov 11 07:52:58 IroN900:~# date; date -d "`date -d '-1 day' +'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:'` + 1 day" Nov 11 07:53:00 Do., 11. Nov. 2010 08:46:07 GMT-1 Nov 11 07:53:01 Do., 11. Nov. 2010 08:46:07 GMT-1 Nov 11 07:53:07 grr Nov 11 07:53:53 IroN900:~# date; date -d "`date -d '-1 day' +'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S'` + 1 day" Nov 11 07:55:19 btw i found a bug in date, by using an offset of 5 days instead 1 day. Seems DST switch confuses hell out of date's calculations Nov 11 07:55:39 or dunno what Nov 11 07:56:42 IroN900:~# date; date -d "`date -d '-2 days' +'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S'` + 2 days" Nov 11 07:56:43 Do., 11. Nov. 2010 08:50:20 GMT-1 Nov 11 07:56:45 Mi., 10. Nov. 2010 07:50:20 GMT-1 Nov 11 07:56:56 wat Nov 11 08:00:53 IroN900:~# date; date -d "`date -d 'now -2 hours' +'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:'` +2 hours" Nov 11 08:00:55 Do., 11. Nov. 2010 08:53:42 GMT-1 Nov 11 08:00:56 Do., 11. Nov. 2010 06:53:42 GMT-1 Nov 11 08:01:02 meh Nov 11 08:03:01 friggin mushrooms Nov 11 08:04:10 Hello,I had question if h-e-n (Usb host mode enabler) does all the work(kernel install,l2p thingy and..)? Nov 11 08:12:15 1 question - Is there a app which can log all connects to the internet? (Which app that tried, and when)? Nov 11 08:15:23 after the recent upgrade of Maemo on the N900, must I use a different repository for extras? Nov 11 08:15:27 * madduck lost his vpn client Nov 11 08:15:38 knightstalker: yes Nov 11 08:15:41 madduck,no Nov 11 08:15:49 I haven't changed my repositories Nov 11 08:15:51 knightstalker: fremantle-1.3? Nov 11 08:15:55 Doc,Wow,That would be great Nov 11 08:15:57 yeah PR1.3 Nov 11 08:16:13 Doc,so now I just need female to female thingy? Nov 11 08:16:16 ~hostmode Nov 11 08:16:16 rumour has it, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=869527#post869527 Nov 11 08:16:55 knightstalker: that adapter and a bit of fun with experimenting Nov 11 08:17:19 knightstalker: nothing in maemo is prepared to do hostmode Nov 11 08:17:26 lol,k, Nov 11 08:17:36 I was just excited for experimenting too :P Nov 11 08:17:49 i used to have a vpn client that integrated with the system menu (tap on the clock) and worked quite nicely, but it seems to be gone :( Nov 11 08:18:49 madduck,hmm,after upgrading as I remember,you needed to install anything again Nov 11 08:19:00 right, but i can't even find it in APT Nov 11 08:19:55 ahh,There are no debs around either? Nov 11 08:19:57 *.deb I mean Nov 11 08:20:04 i forgot what the software was called. :( Nov 11 08:20:09 vpnc ? Nov 11 08:20:12 ah vpnc-gui Nov 11 08:20:19 and "restore applications" lists it Nov 11 08:20:20 knightstalker: I suggest you wait 12..48h, Mohammad (where's he gone??) is about to prepare a new pkg based on better power-kernel Nov 11 08:20:35 DocScrutinizer: fwiw th package "currency converter" is a total fail after the update too. I've tried removing and re-installing it Nov 11 08:20:57 but they cannot be installed. missing dependencies (something python2.5) Nov 11 08:24:57 madduck,hmm,python2.5 is installed here Nov 11 08:25:52 Doc,And eh,Cant I use N900's original Usb adapter?(something like connecting its big part to the usb)? Nov 11 08:29:01 sorry if the question was nubbish :p Nov 11 08:32:10 johnx: so...date? Nov 11 08:34:17 timeless_mbp, nah. I'm married Nov 11 08:34:27 you're fruity Nov 11 08:34:43 heh Nov 11 08:34:56 my problem seems related to qt4 Nov 11 08:35:05 python2.5-qt4-common is uninstallable Nov 11 08:35:11 timeless_mbp, so, why are you so worried about a second or two of drift? Nov 11 08:35:23 1 question - Is there a app which can log all connects to the internet? (Which app that tried, and when)? Nov 11 08:35:27 and for the PyQT 4 Full install, libqt4-test is also missing Nov 11 08:35:32 it's kinda rude to break someone's clock Nov 11 08:35:39 but yeah, i can live w/ 50s drift Nov 11 08:35:52 why would it be that much? Nov 11 08:35:53 hm, the description says PR1.2 Nov 11 08:35:55 that might be the problem Nov 11 08:36:12 phellarv: you can try listening to dbus to see if conic is chatty Nov 11 08:37:45 phellarv: possibly nmap? Nov 11 08:38:25 andax: not technically Nov 11 08:38:33 if process-1 asks for a network and process-2 uses it Nov 11 08:38:41 you'll blame 2 which is wrong Nov 11 08:39:39 phellarv: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Connectivity_Components/Maemo_Connectivity#Requesting_for_Connection Nov 11 08:39:45 is probably the documentation Nov 11 08:40:11 but basically, run dbus-monitor and see if browser is chatty on dbus when you ask it to load a page w/o a network Nov 11 08:40:19 Doc,And eh,Cant I use N900's original Usb adapter?(something like connecting its big part to the usb)? Nov 11 08:40:19 if it is, then you can listen for dbus Nov 11 08:40:33 eh,That question was about Usb host mode Nov 11 08:42:20 ah,and my last question will be if h-e-n supports Cd writers Nov 11 08:43:24 EHLO, punks Nov 11 08:43:50 can anyone even install vpnc-gui or vpnc? Nov 11 08:43:59 with new maemo? Nov 11 08:45:11 RST38h, 250-johnx Nov 11 08:45:28 johnx: evening! Nov 11 08:45:52 RST38h, usually I only answer if the second argument is an FQDN Nov 11 08:45:58 johnx: Do you by any chance know what nitroid kernel patches are and if they are safe to have permanently in the kernel? Nov 11 08:46:11 johnx: Ok, consider yourself hacked. Nov 11 08:46:12 madduck,Installation done,its now processing triggers for catorise Nov 11 08:46:36 madduck: dunno about instal Nov 11 08:46:38 RST38h, I have about this much interest in android *holds fingers really close together* Nov 11 08:46:38 but i'm using it Nov 11 08:46:43 so no idea about nitdroid Nov 11 08:46:49 timeless,lol Nov 11 08:46:49 and iirc i got an update for it Nov 11 08:46:56 knightstalker: so... Nov 11 08:47:00 there's a different Nov 11 08:47:00 Mine installed too :p Nov 11 08:47:06 s/different/difference/ Nov 11 08:47:07 timeless_mbp meant: there's a difference Nov 11 08:47:08 johnx: not exactly an android fan either, but Mohammad is including a kernel into his community SSU Nov 11 08:47:22 if you install foo and then OTA from pr1.2 to pr1.3 Nov 11 08:47:24 johnx: And I have been wondering if android stuff is kosher to have there by default Nov 11 08:47:38 it's possible that you might not be able to install foo on 1.3 even though you installed it on 1.2 and updated to 1.3 Nov 11 08:47:40 omg wtf don't I know this?? Wwhen doing at echo "do something" >> myscript.sh how do I get a new line? Nov 11 08:47:56 I heard it was pretty invasive, but it might not have any actual effect in day-to-day use Nov 11 08:48:03 mece: echo >> myscript.sh Nov 11 08:48:10 mece: Use printf? (yes, there is printf in shell) Nov 11 08:48:24 timeless_mbp: I think I have a rogue prcess somewhere - My N900 is connecting to the net alot lately. Nov 11 08:48:25 timeless_mbp: that gives a new empty line? Nov 11 08:48:33 timeless_mbp: So thanks for the pointers Nov 11 08:48:36 mece: try it? Nov 11 08:48:46 timeless_mbp, I shall. Nov 11 08:48:53 phellarv: it's actually a useful app Nov 11 08:49:01 lemme know if you write it, i'll toss you some CUR via paypal Nov 11 08:49:10 knightstalker: I don't even see it in APT; which catalogs do you have? Nov 11 08:49:21 mece, echo -e '\n' Nov 11 08:49:39 the -e means it understands \n? Nov 11 08:49:59 the -e means interpret escape sequences or something Nov 11 08:50:58 johnx: Looking at FreeBSD tcsh echo, it only has -n Nov 11 08:51:08 johnx: Which is "do not print EOLN character" Nov 11 08:51:21 medduck,hmm,have you tried to sudo apt-get install vpnc-gui in the terminal? Nov 11 08:51:26 RST38h, interesting. even busybox echo has -e Nov 11 08:51:31 http://slexy.org/raw/s2yEdz5LXU seems a bit outdated, e.g. the ovi list doesn't even exist on their web server anymore Nov 11 08:51:32 first do apt-get update btw Nov 11 08:51:42 RST38h, what about /bin/echo? Nov 11 08:51:43 echo: shell built-in command. Nov 11 08:51:53 knightstalker: yes, vpnc-gui does not exist as apackage in APT Nov 11 08:52:29 achipa: ping? Nov 11 08:52:29 johnx: it prints "-e" :) Nov 11 08:52:33 i am still running freemantle, not gregale, right? Nov 11 08:52:36 oh well.. timeless_mbp's method worked fine Nov 11 08:52:44 johnx: There is a semi-proper printf though, right in the shell Nov 11 08:52:45 thanks Nov 11 08:52:56 X-Fade: pomg Nov 11 08:53:04 madduck: gregale is a few years old... Nov 11 08:53:08 and requires different hardware Nov 11 08:53:13 ok Nov 11 08:53:23 madduck,I have Nokia Applications,Nokia system software update,Ovi,Maemo.org(extras-extras-devel,extras-testing) Nov 11 08:53:27 achipa: I wiped the 4.7.5 versions, will you upload new ones soon? Nov 11 08:53:51 X-Fade: wanted to yesterday, but something came up, so prolly today Nov 11 08:53:55 knightstalker: can you show me your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list pklease? Nov 11 08:54:06 achipa: Ok. Nov 11 08:54:09 X-Fade: did you get rid of the libmeegotouch stuff in free too ? Nov 11 08:54:18 madduck,a sec Nov 11 08:54:31 achipa: No, but I will do that now. Nov 11 08:54:49 X-Fade: in fact, could you talk to the guy directly so we don't play ... what's the name of that game in english... mute-phones ? Nov 11 08:56:13 achipa: It is only meegotouchtheme, right? Nov 11 08:56:21 madduck,http://pastebin.com/hEHSZCQv Nov 11 08:56:23 There you go Nov 11 08:57:33 hm, i am missing the last one Nov 11 08:57:34 mece: echo "" && echo "2nd line" Nov 11 08:57:35 errr... libmeegotouch* Nov 11 08:57:35 i wonder why Nov 11 08:57:41 no, wait Nov 11 08:57:49 andax: you don't need "" there, that's DOS Nov 11 08:57:56 achipa: there is no libmeegotouch in free. Nov 11 08:58:00 ooh, there's an update for tweakr Nov 11 08:58:05 and you could just use print or printf Nov 11 08:58:14 knightstalker: please read the thread, from post #1 to very end. h-e-n supports all rsp nothing. CD-writers are 'supported' by programs like mkisofs, k3b, whatnot. h-e-n is just about USB. If it's USB then h-e-n supports it, basically Nov 11 08:58:33 madduck, uhm, right :) Nov 11 08:58:55 Doc,and you didn't answer my first question :P,About if I can use my own n900 adapter,using its female part to connect it to the usb Nov 11 08:59:19 where T F is a female part there? Nov 11 08:59:31 Hmm,dunno :P Nov 11 08:59:59 sorry, you seem to make no sense to me Nov 11 09:00:02 isn't the big part of it called female :o Nov 11 09:00:15 knightstalker, you're do for a talk about the birds and the bees ... Nov 11 09:00:21 uh, https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle* seems to no longer exist Nov 11 09:00:41 knightstalker: the pointy bits are male, the holes are female - which is applicable to most contexts Nov 11 09:01:02 tugrik,ah thanks Nov 11 09:05:12 no reply still Nov 11 09:05:19 to fix radio Nov 11 09:06:20 aah, it needs httpS:// Nov 11 09:06:34 i really wonder why i need to configure this manually and the upgrade didn't do it. Nov 11 09:06:55 still no vpn app Nov 11 09:07:24 knightstalker: could you run 'apt-get -d install vpnc-gui' and show me the output? Nov 11 09:07:41 chibi-taiga: I swear to God if you haven't read/tried what was said to you about your issue I will kick your head off Nov 11 09:08:05 madduck,k,I'll need to remove vpnc-gui first though Nov 11 09:08:08 give me a sec Nov 11 09:08:17 knightstalker: or just apt-cache policy vpnc-gui Nov 11 09:08:55 talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=867416#post867416 Nov 11 09:08:56 worked Nov 11 09:08:57 a sec Nov 11 09:09:06 i readed this but it tdidnt work Nov 11 09:09:23 http://pastebin.com/bvSpJ0Ra Nov 11 09:09:27 there you go madduck Nov 11 09:10:29 knightstalker: you must have other files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d, do you? Nov 11 09:11:00 no Nov 11 09:11:08 and /etc/apt/sources.list? Nov 11 09:11:13 so what can i do now? Nov 11 09:11:34 knightstalker: in http://pastebin.com/hEHSZCQv, there is no "http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free" repository Nov 11 09:11:43 still no Nov 11 09:11:59 madduck,I am willing to give you SSH con though :P Nov 11 09:12:04 despite its risk XD Nov 11 09:12:22 madduck,I just nano'ed and gave you the results Nov 11 09:12:22 nah, i don't need it, but thanks Nov 11 09:12:33 http://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages does not exist Nov 11 09:13:39 madduck: moment, regenerating. Nov 11 09:15:42 madduck: hmm no, misread the url that is sdk. ;) Nov 11 09:16:36 And that url can't exist. it is either sdk/ root tools/ Nov 11 09:16:48 hrm Nov 11 09:16:49 s/root/or/ Nov 11 09:16:50 X-Fade meant: And that url can't exist. it is either sdk/ or tools/ Nov 11 09:17:08 X-Fade: ? does extras-devel have fremantle1.3 v. fremantle v. fremantle1.2 ? Nov 11 09:17:23 uh, is there a wiki page that lists the normal contents of this file? Nov 11 09:17:29 timeless_mbp: notice the /extras/ missing. Nov 11 09:17:37 X-Fade: unrelated question Nov 11 09:17:40 apparently, after the flash, the repository list wasn't setup properly Nov 11 09:17:56 so now I need to regenerate it by hand because a lot of stuff isn't working anymore. Nov 11 09:18:26 madduck,didn't you have any backups made? Nov 11 09:18:34 yes, i did Nov 11 09:18:43 eh,my backup restored everything Nov 11 09:18:47 even the catalogs Nov 11 09:18:49 and the backups are failing to restore because certain packages cannot be installed Nov 11 09:19:07 omg -.- Nov 11 09:19:10 i really wonder where you are getting vpnc-gui from Nov 11 09:19:21 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/11/AR2010111100896.html Nov 11 09:19:39 madduck: it might be vpngui Nov 11 09:19:47 knightstalker: could you remove it, run apt-get clean and then apt-get -d --print-uris install vpnc-gui to get the full URL Nov 11 09:19:57 madduck sure Nov 11 09:19:58 timeless_mbp: # dpkg -l vpn\* Nov 11 09:19:58 No packages found matching vpn*. Nov 11 09:20:00 a sec again Nov 11 09:22:29 * timeless_mbp frowns Nov 11 09:22:42 done,paste binning Nov 11 09:22:59 http://pastebin.com/eN2Yyg70 Nov 11 09:22:59 might be extras-testing Nov 11 09:23:00 X-Fade: why does ham want me to upgrade ~9 packages from v X to v X when i switch from testing to devel? Nov 11 09:23:18 vpngui is definitely in devel Nov 11 09:23:19 timeless_mbp: Because devel has newer versions? Nov 11 09:23:31 X-Fade: "newer" versions w/ the same version number? Nov 11 09:23:34 madduck,as I see it says extras-devel in the link Nov 11 09:24:02 timeless_mbp: Not possible. Nov 11 09:24:18 X-Fade: how do i prove this short of taking a bunch of screen captures? Nov 11 09:24:41 timeless_mbp: what does apt-get say? Nov 11 09:24:53 probably "someone else is holding the apt lock" :) Nov 11 09:25:08 Hehe, yeah close ham :) Nov 11 09:32:39 knightstalker: thanks, that was it Nov 11 09:32:49 i didn't know i had those extras-* repos in my previous install Nov 11 09:33:12 madduck,Welcome! Nov 11 09:33:44 madduck: so, um Nov 11 09:33:57 anyways no one can help me fix radio? Nov 11 09:33:58 if you use backup, it should store your repo list and your package list Nov 11 09:34:02 so restore should just work Nov 11 09:34:18 chibi-taiga: don't install third party kernels if you want things to work Nov 11 09:34:22 timeless_mbp: it did not in this case. :( Nov 11 09:35:55 well i didnt had any problems befor i updated Nov 11 09:36:08 and i use same apps/kernels Nov 11 09:36:21 someone with ssh session open to the device w/ pr1.3 - could you kindly execute this: Nov 11 09:36:34 md5sum /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 Nov 11 09:36:50 and say whether you get 5b2368e9a64..... Nov 11 09:37:01 or ab7bb3d39dfeb47360d Nov 11 09:37:10 it seems there are 2 kinds of pr1.3 going around Nov 11 09:37:25 ab7bb3d39dfeb47360d2cc5674ebfd6a Nov 11 09:37:31 i updated mines trough nsu3 Nov 11 09:37:37 anyony got 5b23...? Nov 11 09:41:24 villev: i got something else Nov 11 09:41:31 prelink? Nov 11 09:42:14 * timeless_mbp didn't use ssh, just x terminal Nov 11 09:42:24 timeless_mbp: so you have hacked something on your device? Nov 11 09:42:30 no Nov 11 09:42:31 or do you have an internal nokia image? Nov 11 09:42:48 are you sure this isn't just prelink giving random hashes? Nov 11 09:43:07 no, I'm not. please elaborate :) Nov 11 09:43:54 hrm, maybe we stopped doing it Nov 11 09:43:55 * timeless_mbp shrugs Nov 11 09:44:24 i'm using pr1.3 but yeah, i got it a bit early Nov 11 09:44:27 (like a month?) Nov 11 09:46:36 ohwell thx for the support Nov 11 09:58:12 X-Fade: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/847464 Nov 11 09:59:46 villev: there are 3 different versions but I do not understand why the standard c++ lib should be different?! Nov 11 10:00:50 timeless_mbp: No idea, those packages are the same. Nov 11 10:00:56 villev: which version is the ab7.. sum from? got the 5b23... from PR1.2 OTA updated to PR1.3 Nov 11 10:01:02 X-Fade: i have a bunch of others :( Nov 11 10:01:46 timeless_mbp: Maybe mvo knows. Nov 11 10:02:22 !summon mvo Nov 11 10:02:23 :) Nov 11 10:02:32 no workee Nov 11 10:02:45 timeless_mbp: Well it is easier for you to visit him than for me. Nov 11 10:02:55 oh sure, make me get out of bed Nov 11 10:02:57 before noon! Nov 11 10:03:23 timeless_mbp: Only just. :) Nov 11 10:03:30 3 whole minutes! Nov 11 10:03:39 it's an outrage! Nov 11 10:06:01 madduck: how did you get pr1.3 and is it a country version? Nov 11 10:12:24 hey guys ... i have a bit of a problem ... the phone app is too slow Nov 11 10:12:36 interesting problem Nov 11 10:12:41 how is this harming you? Nov 11 10:12:58 it harms me in the way that i cannot answer a call Nov 11 10:13:20 smooph1: That means it is time to reboot your phone. Nov 11 10:13:37 smooph1: Yes, not good. But that will help. Nov 11 10:13:46 smooph: how many third party apps are you running/have you installed/do you have on your desktop/do you have in your system notification area Nov 11 10:13:55 when getting a call a couple of seconds pass till i can get the phone out and another couple of seconds till the screen shows the call than another couple of seconds till its in horizontal and then the call is gone Nov 11 10:14:15 horizontal? Nov 11 10:14:25 sory vertical Nov 11 10:14:35 is that a software or hardware detail? Nov 11 10:14:49 screen rotation ? Nov 11 10:14:50 maybe you need a bluetooth headset so you can answer w/o fishing for your phone Nov 11 10:15:00 ok 'portrait' Nov 11 10:15:15 ok yes portrait Nov 11 10:15:23 so, the phone doesn't need to use portrait mode Nov 11 10:15:34 The problem is that your phone is swapping like mad a that point. Nov 11 10:15:36 although if you're pulling it out of your pocket, you'll probably bring it into portrait mode Nov 11 10:15:39 smooph1, check the turning control in the preferences, try the other options Nov 11 10:15:41 no desktop widget other than calendar home widget and conversation Nov 11 10:15:52 conversations? Nov 11 10:16:14 timeless_mbp: yes Nov 11 10:16:27 is that a widget or a shortcut? Nov 11 10:16:30 if it's a widget, i don't know it Nov 11 10:16:32 widget Nov 11 10:16:41 i'd kill that first Nov 11 10:16:44 and calendar second Nov 11 10:17:01 also, how many presence services are you using? Nov 11 10:17:09 smooph1: and restart hildon-home or the changes have no effekt Nov 11 10:17:13 also, maybe have a timeout of longer than 6 seconds before having calls go to voicemail Nov 11 10:17:23 smooph1: dont kill it, use proper dsme commands Nov 11 10:17:43 hm Nov 11 10:18:26 smooph1: have a look what is hogging your cpu when you just slide open the keyboard from standby Nov 11 10:18:39 is there a way to speed up the change between landscape and portrait Nov 11 10:18:58 because i think this is more the problem than some widget Nov 11 10:19:09 yes, transitions.ini - there're many tutorials on tmo detailing how to change the transitions and suggestions on optimum settings Nov 11 10:19:51 altering the rotation angle, speeding up the rotate, and reducing the blankout can make a difference with call rotations Nov 11 10:20:24 but really, if the time for the transition effect to happen is causing you to miss your calls, your best solution's really gonna be not having them go to voicemail so fast.. Nov 11 10:20:56 nidO: isn't the call rotate and answer delayed by purpose? afair that is a "feature" of pr1.3 to prevent something Nov 11 10:21:24 nidO: sounds good .... thanks to the other tips too but I honestly don't want to disable the widgets Nov 11 10:21:40 chem|st: the actual effect of the rotation itself when it happens is handled by transitions.ini though, and it can be sped up and made smoother Nov 11 10:22:31 nidO: yeah I know but I remember reading about a delay on purpose in pr1.3 Nov 11 10:22:44 Hi, all Nov 11 10:23:20 chem|st: interesting.. Nov 11 10:23:49 smooph1: I had a widget hogging my cpu after about 8h of use anytime I return from standby, on screen or not, 100s of gettimeofday commands were send Nov 11 10:24:43 chem|st: so what should I do ? Nov 11 10:24:45 timeless_mbp: something about a wait for systems to be ready Nov 11 10:24:49 where do i look? Nov 11 10:25:09 sigh, this has been bugging me for ages - if two contacts have the same phone number, is there any way to get the device to actually show one of those contacts when the phone rings from them, rather than just the number itself? Nov 11 10:25:23 no Nov 11 10:25:28 smooph1: there is something hogging your device whe you return from standby? Nov 11 10:25:29 sorry :( Nov 11 10:25:34 lame. Nov 11 10:25:41 nidO: make 3 contacts Nov 11 10:25:44 person1 Nov 11 10:25:45 person2 Nov 11 10:25:49 sharedPeople Nov 11 10:25:54 give the number to sharedPeople Nov 11 10:26:02 e.g. mom, dad, mod+dad Nov 11 10:26:08 doesnt work though, the only reason the number is in 2 contacts is because its in the skype profile for one of them Nov 11 10:26:21 same person? Nov 11 10:26:23 merge contacts Nov 11 10:26:30 situation is Nov 11 10:26:37 I have a contact for my own home number Nov 11 10:26:51 I also have a contact for my girlfriend, including her skype account Nov 11 10:26:56 timeless_mbp: skype profile of one person has the number from by hand in another contact Nov 11 10:27:02 her skype profile has all of her numbers, including our home number Nov 11 10:27:15 so by extension, her contact also has our home number Nov 11 10:27:27 which I cant remove without removing her skype info entirely Nov 11 10:27:33 cute Nov 11 10:27:40 so Nov 11 10:27:43 please file a bug Nov 11 10:27:57 explain that you want to be able to mark a certain contact's instance of a certain number as 'preferred' Nov 11 10:27:59 nidO: do you call yourself? or is it the "your info" thing? Nov 11 10:28:01 do explain the usecase Nov 11 10:28:11 chem|st: sorry i don't understand what you are saying ... what should I do ? I don't know what hogging is and how I should find out? Nov 11 10:28:53 smooph1: look what is occupying your CPU at time of unlock Nov 11 10:29:00 DocScrutinizer: MWI - message waiting indicator? on sip I guess? or gsm? isn't supported afaik, but we have a spec for it and an implementation in tp-ring now I think. Nov 11 10:29:13 how? Nov 11 10:29:18 SIP Nov 11 10:29:53 smooph1: htop top or something equivalent Nov 11 10:30:26 smooph1: top is pre installed, open up a terminal and enter "top" Nov 11 10:30:47 with unlock u mean slide open the keyboard right ? Nov 11 10:31:00 ... than the top one is htop Nov 11 10:31:10 smooph1: now close keyboard use the lock switcch or anything to lock screen and keyboard (standby) Nov 11 10:31:23 smooph1: and yes, then slide open the keyboard Nov 11 10:31:23 hi guys Nov 11 10:31:28 ~seen Khertan Nov 11 10:31:34 chem|st: I both call and receive calls from home occasionally yeah. timeless_mbp: the usecase is just preference on where I want contact info to display - it would clearly seem to be a bug though, because it's only on an incoming call and while the call's in progress that it shows the number instead of contact info Nov 11 10:31:36 khertan <~khertan@AAmiens-553-1-95-72.w92-155.abo.wanadoo.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 2h 12m 50s ago, saying: 'oups wrong windows'. Nov 11 10:31:41 smooph1: top and htop are two different programs Nov 11 10:32:00 nidO: the UI team picked the behavior Nov 11 10:32:02 after the call's taken place, the call log shows the call as having come from the contact who's first in the list alphabetically with that number Nov 11 10:32:09 nidO: that is since 1.0!? Nov 11 10:32:10 note that there are some other lame cases Nov 11 10:32:24 ok i used htop ... when opening the keyboard the 1st is htop 2nd is Xorg Nov 11 10:32:25 nidO: and I remember a bug about that since ever Nov 11 10:32:36 and the third? Nov 11 10:32:38 +18005551212 +4478905551212 Nov 11 10:32:52 osso-xterm Nov 11 10:32:56 in a case like that, it's possible that your phone won't actually be told the full phone number Nov 11 10:32:59 sometimes hildon Nov 11 10:33:07 smooph1: is something else kicking in from time to time in the first 10 seconds Nov 11 10:33:24 smooph1: with 60%+cpu usage Nov 11 10:33:44 dbus-daemon ... nothing big Nov 11 10:34:39 let me try making a call ... maybe it has something to do with that .. Nov 11 10:35:15 smooph1: thats jsut fine, if you get a call and it takes you longer than 4 seconds to pickup there is something wrong (if rotation is turned off) Nov 11 10:39:24 chem|st: Ok there is definitly enough time to answer the phone ... if somebody lets it ring till its disconnected by the "the person you are calling is temporarly unavailable" speech Nov 11 10:39:54 smooph1: there is no spoon... Nov 11 10:40:21 but still the rotation takes too long for my tast ... turning the phone from landscape to portrait there is a big delay before it rotates Nov 11 10:40:36 there is no spoon ? Nov 11 10:40:44 what does that mean? Nov 11 10:41:24 smooph1: that's a movies's quote from matrix Nov 11 10:41:51 smooph1: if you got enough time from ring to disconnect I don't know where the actual problem is Nov 11 10:42:59 The first matrix movie was awesome, BTW. Phone wise - That's odd, when my n900 gets called, the phone app opens up in portrait mode no matter what, no "rotation" animation or anything Nov 11 10:43:11 maybe ... it's just the missed calls that made me aware of how I don't like the rotation delay ... can you point me to a how to change that? Nov 11 10:44:09 RobbieThe1st: have you got the display orientation fixed to portrair rather than automatic? Nov 11 10:44:22 RobbieThe1st: perhaps you set it to portrait mode in its settings Nov 11 10:44:26 also, not sure if this was covered for smooph1, but why dont you just set orientation to portrait? Nov 11 10:44:33 thatll stop any rotation animation Nov 11 10:45:00 Huh, no... I never messed with the settings at all, and typically use it in landscape mode. I tend to get quite upset when it goes portrait on me... Nov 11 10:45:04 smooph1: sorry, I'm late to the party, but what's your problem? Nov 11 10:46:00 Venemo: "his phone is slow" :) Nov 11 10:46:00 Actually, wait... I guess there is a rotation animation, but it takes half a second or so for me, so I didn't notice it Nov 11 10:46:24 smooph1: http://tinyurl.com/2dyn3el Nov 11 10:46:34 timeless_mbp: oh, the usual Nov 11 10:46:41 ~flashing Nov 11 10:46:41 hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 11 10:46:43 I don't like the delay when rotating the phone ... espacially with incoming calls so either set the phone app to portrait only or change the rotation setting so the delay is less Nov 11 10:46:49 smooph1: try that link Nov 11 10:46:57 Venemo: bah Nov 11 10:47:29 Venemo: O_o Nov 11 10:47:32 smooph1: if you prefer to, then set the phone app to portrait-only. it will be still landscape when the keyboard is open Nov 11 10:47:32 updating the firmware ... are you ? Nov 11 10:47:49 smooph1: or if you want rotation, then you could edit your transitions.ini Nov 11 10:48:08 smooph1: but if the "slowness" is caused by the garabage you installed, reflashing is the best soluion Nov 11 10:48:22 chem|st: very funny ... guess what I already did that Nov 11 10:48:41 I'm curious - Does anyone here know why people are complaining about it being slow? I mean, I just opened up three browser windows, fbreader and the media player, and then -while- it was all loading I started the phone app. It started instantly, and switched to portrait in half a second or so Nov 11 10:49:09 RobbieThe1st: Do the same after your phone is running for 5 days. Nov 11 10:49:09 RobbieThe1st: inbound calls Nov 11 10:49:22 opening phone from the ui isn't interesting Nov 11 10:49:27 smooph1: the ini is in /usr/share/themes/ and copy the original one before you alter it Nov 11 10:49:32 the inbound call ui is especaially painful Nov 11 10:49:35 s/aia/ia/ Nov 11 10:49:36 timeless_mbp meant: the inbound call ui is especially painful Nov 11 10:49:36 Only on inbound? Hm... that'll be hard to test Nov 11 10:49:44 RobbieThe1st: gimme your no Nov 11 10:50:09 I suppose inbound skype calls should be easier to test without owning two phones Nov 11 10:50:17 That's the problem - I ran out of active time. I've got to add time to my payg sim before I can do anything :\ Nov 11 10:50:27 even receive calls? Nov 11 10:50:28 bah Nov 11 10:50:31 well then, keep the phone app open, then it will launch more quickly on inbound calls Nov 11 10:50:37 oh, you from one of those dumb countries that charges you to receive? :\ Nov 11 10:50:58 Yea, as well as putting x-month limits on how long you have to use it Nov 11 10:51:07 wow Nov 11 10:51:08 nice Nov 11 10:51:15 which reminds me Nov 11 10:51:22 * timeless_mbp has a sim whose pin is unknown :( Nov 11 10:51:23 T-mobile's bad that way... But no worse than any of the -other- horrible companies here in the USA Nov 11 10:51:30 nidO: over here the sim will be deactivated after a while so you are forced to raise your account's balance Nov 11 10:51:30 * timeless_mbp should try to figure out how to recover it Nov 11 10:51:45 timeless_mbp: is it yours? Nov 11 10:51:58 well, i have some of both actually :) Nov 11 10:52:03 but i only care about the mine case :) Nov 11 10:52:11 does the network? Nov 11 10:52:19 ? Nov 11 10:52:40 theyll give you the sim's puk if it's yours.. Nov 11 10:52:41 it's tied to me, so yeah i can do something Nov 11 10:53:43 hey guys, set up a 3g connection using fapn for ben.nl, but all i get is 'Internet Connection Failed, Try Again?'.. PR 1.3, any ideas? Nov 11 10:54:50 realitygaps: what do you mean by setup? your provider connections are preset normaly Nov 11 10:55:40 realitygaps: does gprs/edge work? Nov 11 10:56:01 chem|st: they werent preset, but they have the connection details on their website, only thing needed is the access point name - which i set to internet.ben Nov 11 10:56:14 chem|st: how can i check if gprs/edge is working? Nov 11 10:56:51 try connecting to the ap but on 2g not 3g Nov 11 10:56:59 redeeman: internet.ben is not a valid serveraddress Nov 11 10:57:32 normaly you need to set a serveraddress Nov 11 10:57:39 redeeman: sry Nov 11 10:57:48 realitygaps: internet.ben is not a valid serveraddress Nov 11 10:58:13 I think I found my solution for now ... setting the phone app to portrait only ... we'll see if that helps me Nov 11 10:58:23 thanks for the help Nov 11 10:58:29 smooph1: yw Nov 11 10:58:44 chem|st: it said just to set up the APN as internet.ben .... Nov 11 10:59:05 one sec ill find the details Nov 11 10:59:24 realitygaps: settings->phone->network mode Nov 11 11:00:14 smooph1: you're welcome Nov 11 11:03:29 chem|st: The connection details are here: http://www.ben.nl/vragen/diensten/Internet/vraag-21/Wat+zijn+de+instellingen+voor+mijn+mobiel+voor+internet+met+mijn+sim+only+abonnement%3F.html Nov 11 11:05:25 Morning all ! Nov 11 11:06:16 doesnt seem to do anything on 2G either :( Nov 11 11:07:48 obvious question, but are you actually on their network atm, or roaming? Nov 11 11:08:36 nid0: on their network, got a new sim a few days ago from them Nov 11 11:09:12 but all it says is to put internet.ben as the access point name and everything else blank/defaults Nov 11 11:10:15 dpkg-deb: building package `foo' in `..deb'. Nov 11 11:10:19 * timeless_mbp puzzles Nov 11 11:10:43 timeless_mbp: it's selfsigned so i don't care anyways Nov 11 11:11:07 jacekowski: i care because it's yet another stupid thing to deal w/ while trying to make jabber happy Nov 11 11:11:12 i'd actually rather you *not* fix it Nov 11 11:11:18 not until i make my script handle it Nov 11 11:11:25 :) Nov 11 11:12:33 * timeless_mbp wonders how to comment out lines in DEBIAN/control files Nov 11 11:13:51 <_trine> can someone point me to titans the new power kernel or something similar for PR 1.3 ? Nov 11 11:13:53 timeless_mbp: think its just a # Nov 11 11:14:12 warning, `foo/DEBIAN/control' contains user-defined field `#Depends' Nov 11 11:15:00 hmm, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=446712 says it should work Nov 11 11:16:35 realitygaps, no, it says that they have been supported since dpkg v 1.10.11 on debian.. Nov 11 11:16:43 hey lcuk o/ :) Nov 11 11:16:46 what version is timeless using ? Nov 11 11:17:00 Debian `dpkg' package management program version 1.14.29 (amd64). Nov 11 11:18:15 try it yourself? :) Nov 11 11:18:48 \o Nov 11 11:18:55 * timeless_mbp can't remember how to use DEBIAN Nov 11 11:18:58 timeless_mbp, am on laptop only atm Nov 11 11:19:06 it seems i don't have a working fakeroot Nov 11 11:19:13 so i can't seem to make dpkg-buildpackage work Nov 11 11:19:27 does DEBIAN require filename instead of PACKAGE.filename ? Nov 11 11:19:31 (it probably does) Nov 11 11:20:21 lcuk: true, just assumed it was new enough Nov 11 11:21:03 timeless_mbp, hm Nov 11 11:21:13 you just noted you are using the amd64 version of dpkg? Nov 11 11:21:21 is that exposed in scratchbox? Nov 11 11:21:29 or are you just working on your normal host Nov 11 11:21:44 i'm working on someone else's normal host Nov 11 11:22:22 Someday, someone will say that i'm completely crazy to create my packaging tools :) Nov 11 11:22:37 a new one ... this time base on python distutils Nov 11 11:22:38 http://khertan.net/python_sdist_maemo Nov 11 11:23:41 timeless, i ll say X-Depends Nov 11 11:23:55 as X is for eXtra ... user define Nov 11 11:24:01 khertan_: hi Nov 11 11:24:08 XS for include them in source Nov 11 11:24:12 khertan_: I just heard about your KhtEditor Nov 11 11:24:16 XB for include them in binary Nov 11 11:24:29 khertan_: is it able to compile/run a C/C++ application? Nov 11 11:24:30 XSBC ... i didn't remember c was :) Nov 11 11:24:53 Venemo, as an editor ... it s not able to compile anythings Nov 11 11:25:12 khertan_: so it is not an IDE, juse a text editor? Nov 11 11:25:32 chem|st: it is the global release and I flashed it Nov 11 11:25:42 Venemo, it s more a powerfull text editor than an idea Nov 11 11:26:03 Venemo, specially when most advanced feature are for python dev Nov 11 11:26:14 Venemo, i never said it was an idea Nov 11 11:26:22 and xterm is perfect to compile :) Nov 11 11:26:23 khertan_: I don't wanna be rude, but I don't really care about Python Nov 11 11:26:32 khertan_: hm Nov 11 11:26:50 khertan_: so you recommend using xterm to call gcc and stuff? Nov 11 11:26:58 Venemo, don't wanna be rude but don't really care about c++ this is why there isn't any c compilation Nov 11 11:27:05 Venemo, i ll say yes Nov 11 11:27:07 khertan_: :) Nov 11 11:27:43 Venemo, but i can add configurable button for launching compilation by opening xterm and launching script if you need :) Nov 11 11:27:46 I do wanna be rude, but am too tired to read backscroll. Nov 11 11:28:01 khertan_: that would be the best thing :) Nov 11 11:28:14 khertan_: however if it does highlight C++ code, then it is what I will be using anyway :) Nov 11 11:28:26 khertan_, huh? Nov 11 11:28:38 you dont care about c++ thats why theres no c compiling? Nov 11 11:28:51 arent they different languages and intents? Nov 11 11:28:53 lcuk, I think we get what he meant Nov 11 11:29:08 c compoilation is entirely feasible on devices Nov 11 11:29:14 Venemo, it does, maybe not perfect ... as i didn't really use c++ hilighting there is maybe some glitches i ve just made quick test Nov 11 11:29:17 c++ well, it depends on the which libs Nov 11 11:29:35 lcuk, why would it depend on that? Nov 11 11:29:57 lcuk, of course doable on device ! but just not integrated into KhtEditor because i didn't have need for it and noone Yet ask it :) Nov 11 11:30:07 Venemo, cos adding even simple things in c++ increases compilation time drastically Nov 11 11:30:57 lcuk, good point Nov 11 11:32:13 timeless_mbp: playing with .debs? Nov 11 11:32:26 sivang: interesting demo of how totally messed up maemo is Nov 11 11:32:27 timeless_mbp: how are your slides going? I still have to work on mine Nov 11 11:32:35 this will go into a slide or 4 Nov 11 11:32:46 basically we have a directory /etc/osso-af-init/ Nov 11 11:32:47 timeless_mbp: heh, ok, in what way? Nov 11 11:32:59 which is a jumble Nov 11 11:33:05 timeless_mbp: ah, "not init scripts" dir Nov 11 11:33:11 some of the files are meatnt to be sourced Nov 11 11:33:14 s/tnt/nt/ Nov 11 11:33:15 timeless_mbp meant: some of the files are meant to be sourced Nov 11 11:33:18 anyway, how do I install gcc, g++, qmake, and make onto the N900? Nov 11 11:33:23 and some are meant to be d Nov 11 11:33:31 but they aren't automatically sourced Nov 11 11:33:33 timeless_mbp: interesting I did not see a mere thing about this in the compliance spec Nov 11 11:33:37 if you want to be sourced, you have to hand edit a file Nov 11 11:33:47 bah Nov 11 11:33:58 that's part one of well.. Nov 11 11:34:02 at least there's a spec, that's a start to have things compliant Nov 11 11:34:02 it gets "better" Nov 11 11:34:08 there's a spec? Nov 11 11:34:27 timeless_mbp: yes, I did not bother looking at it until last night's TSG meeting Nov 11 11:34:40 timeless_mbp: in which I was told that minor lessons were learned from Maemo in designing it Nov 11 11:35:00 hopefully that url is in your slides Nov 11 11:35:07 hit me a prelim url (by email) Nov 11 11:35:13 timeless_mbp: sure Nov 11 11:39:33 timeless_mbp: http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-11-10-20.00.log.html , check time from 20:17:38. But actually it comes from LSB, so not there to address an issue per se. Nov 11 11:40:08 timeless_mbp: "clean namespace" Nov 11 11:41:02 tl;wr Nov 11 11:42:12 timeless_mbp: same here, tl. Nov 11 12:03:29 Does the n900 have cron or something like that? Nov 11 12:03:57 alarmd Nov 11 12:04:10 alarmd Nov 11 12:04:18 :D Nov 11 12:04:40 alarmEd Nov 11 12:06:50 achipa: qtm-declarative incoming it seems. Nov 11 12:08:05 X-Fade:from where? :) Nov 11 12:51:10 X-Fade: yay Nov 11 12:53:12 yacc: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=12572 btw: update regarding our recent minimal theme discussion: http://my.opera.com/ändäx/albums/slideshow/?album=5225982# Nov 11 12:54:32 ~ # dpkg -l | grep cron Nov 11 12:54:34 ~ # Nov 11 12:54:35 somebody said # was pound, or hash, or sometimes the number sign. a tic-tac-toe board, or octothorpe Nov 11 12:54:50 Necc: are you the same Necc who is on the Hungarian nokiaprogramok.hu forum with the same name? Nov 11 12:55:16 who wat where? Nov 11 12:55:29 infobot, it could also be a noughts-and-crosses board! Nov 11 12:55:29 So we want to be stupid, right, could also be a noughts-and-crosses board! ? Fine, pushups, right now. OK, side straddle hops, right now. OK, run in place, right now. I didn't say stop! Nov 11 12:55:39 Necc: nevermind then :) Nov 11 12:55:40 Venemo: yes. Nov 11 12:55:44 Bah, you're not supposed to respond to non-pings, bad bot. Nov 11 12:55:49 Necc: oh, really? Nov 11 12:55:54 ... Nov 11 12:55:58 :P Nov 11 12:56:19 type: /whois [nickname] and get your surprise Nov 11 12:56:40 hallo i have a problem i try to install mobilehotspot and then i restarted my nokia n900 now it wont do anything it does haning on some boting program called u-boot Nov 11 12:56:46 anybody that cna help me Nov 11 12:57:09 MSJ: see Nov 11 12:57:12 ~flashing Nov 11 12:57:12 [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 11 12:57:36 i can not flash it tried all night Nov 11 12:57:37 nah, goodbye guys, I have to leave now Nov 11 12:57:43 i wont let me find the niokia Nov 11 12:57:51 it** Nov 11 12:59:02 FauxFaux: aahh, thats why the #-key on the phone is called tictactoe-key Nov 11 12:59:09 :-) Nov 11 12:59:51 ~installing meego Nov 11 12:59:57 ~meego Nov 11 12:59:57 meego is probably http://meego.com an opensource distribution for netbooks and mobile devices Nov 11 13:01:39 my school's retarded Nov 11 13:01:55 ? Nov 11 13:02:01 not just yours... Nov 11 13:02:18 tybollt, http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot ? Nov 11 13:02:29 There is one good sort of school. Nov 11 13:02:40 It involves a teacher and a pupil, sitting on a log. Nov 11 13:02:46 SpeedEvil, router's username and password were admin/admin Nov 11 13:02:59 In the best schools of this type, the teacher can hit the student with the log too. Nov 11 13:03:06 easily got into their main computer Nov 11 13:03:19 MohammadAG51, ha. That sounds like a school I went to Nov 11 13:03:47 anybody help me :-) how to get my nokia back Nov 11 13:03:47 ??? Nov 11 13:04:07 MohammadAG51, The principle had his password as the first letter of his first name and then abbreviated version of his last name Nov 11 13:04:16 (and his username was his name) Nov 11 13:04:28 MSJ: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Updating_or_re-flashing_the_firmware_using_the_Flasher Nov 11 13:04:53 Termana, my school has 3 wireless access points, one of them is WEP locked Nov 11 13:06:19 i'd be sorely tempted to crack the wep, login to the ap, and just switch it to wpa2 Nov 11 13:06:27 MohammadAG51, with my new found power I changed the District Supervisor from the Department of Education's password for the school system. Nov 11 13:06:28 Oops Nov 11 13:06:30 :P Nov 11 13:06:34 anybody got a thinkpad with linux Nov 11 13:06:39 with touchscreen Nov 11 13:07:01 nidO, did the first part Nov 11 13:07:24 * andax has linux-tp but no touchscreen Nov 11 13:07:39 it was 10 numbers, it's on the class's board Nov 11 13:09:17 MohammadAG51, wait let me guess... 1234567890 Nov 11 13:09:19 :P Nov 11 13:09:36 nah, a bit more random Nov 11 13:09:50 1212121212 Nov 11 13:10:25 pfft. They could have at least made it 1s and 0s rather than 2s. Make it spell something out Nov 11 13:10:49 listen to me.... i have tried to flash it but nothing works Nov 11 13:10:51 plz Nov 11 13:10:52 help Nov 11 13:10:52 me Nov 11 13:11:40 u-boot still there Nov 11 13:11:43 nothing to do Nov 11 13:11:50 http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?s=347002a75daf9b9af9821dd807bc40e6&p=870285#post870285 Nov 11 13:11:59 go to a shell and type boot? Nov 11 13:12:03 many people have the same problem Nov 11 13:12:41 mece: danke schön! Nov 11 13:13:02 muhammed >>> it just want start op there is no light on the screen but i can see the u boot screen :-) Nov 11 13:13:03 ~retard Nov 11 13:13:10 methinks retard is slow again, from latin 'tardis', time Nov 11 13:13:43 i can not write anything on it Nov 11 13:13:43 MSJ, just flash the kernel back to stock then Nov 11 13:13:52 you can Nov 11 13:14:02 just press any key when it shows up Nov 11 13:14:37 what does that mean muhhamed Nov 11 13:14:38 ??? Nov 11 13:15:29 is it possible to charge the battery when it like this??+ Nov 11 13:15:52 when i put the usb cable to the com it stands in orange light Nov 11 13:16:05 does it mean that it charhing Nov 11 13:16:43 . o O ( thats why i avoid flashing ) Nov 11 13:17:39 andax i never flashed it ... it a program that just did my nokia go gaga Nov 11 13:17:57 muuch help in this maemo channel Nov 11 13:21:18 where are the brains in this channel+?? Nov 11 13:21:21 MSJ: uboot is extras devel and not for joe Nov 11 13:21:33 joe??? Nov 11 13:21:35 MSJ: AND THE HELL STOP IT! Nov 11 13:21:36 MSJ you got your answer, and it's in the thread you yourself linked to. Nov 11 13:21:44 MSJ: average Joe Nov 11 13:22:24 i dont got nothing... it dosent work... http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?s=347002a75daf9b9af9821dd807bc40e6&p=870285#post870285 look here people have the same problem and non of the flashing things works for them either Nov 11 13:22:42 hello Nov 11 13:23:10 MSJ: if you screw your device with extras-devel software void user() returns Joe Nov 11 13:24:25 okay I've exhausted all combinations: Nov 11 13:24:25 Command: flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --flash-only=kernel -f -R Nov 11 13:24:25 (Windows 7, cmd with administrator previlege) Nov 11 13:24:25 #1 Nov 11 13:24:25 Battery out => battery back in => slide open keyboard => press "U" => start flasher on PC => plug n900 via usb => greetings, "starting kernel" Nov 11 13:24:25 #2 Nov 11 13:24:26 Battery out => battery back in => keyboard not slide open => start flasher on PC => plug n900 via usb => greetings, "starting kernel" Nov 11 13:24:26 #3 Nov 11 13:24:27 Battery out => battery back in => slide open keyboard => press "U" => plug n900 via usb => start flasher on PC => greetings, "starting kernel" Nov 11 13:24:27 #4 Nov 11 13:24:29 Battery out => battery back in => keyboard not slide open => plug n900 via usb => start flasher on PC => greetings, "starting kernel" Nov 11 13:24:29 so uboot loads no matter how. Nov 11 13:24:29 MSJ: have you tried to boot without backcover? Nov 11 13:24:29 as some hinted above perhaps it has to do with the battery and use PC usb to charge instead of the wall charger. hmm maybe. this is the last method I've seen so far. so let's see what happens when the battery is fully charged via PC USB (with no high hope though ... :-x ) Nov 11 13:24:39 pastebin! Nov 11 13:24:50 DocScrutinizer: would you mind? Nov 11 13:25:02 eh? Nov 11 13:25:06 chem >> is that have something to say Nov 11 13:25:29 ~tell MSJ about pastebin Nov 11 13:25:43 http://chetansurpur.com/blog/2010/11/magic-work-cycle.html Nov 11 13:26:08 thx for tje pastebin Nov 11 13:26:25 i booting it with no backcover Nov 11 13:27:29 MSJ: so without backcover it wont boot either? Nov 11 13:28:11 i have a small idea that the battery is low but i dont know if it charge when i put it in the charger Nov 11 13:28:25 *sigh* Nov 11 13:28:31 ~flatbatrecover Nov 11 13:28:32 Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover Nov 11 13:28:32 and also i guess you removed the memory card too Nov 11 13:29:20 should i remove it??? Nov 11 13:29:37 chem|st: uBoot will boot maemo if no (mountable) uSD, right? Nov 11 13:29:41 do you has any idea how u-boot works or just "let it be installed for fun"? Nov 11 13:29:44 DocScrutinizer: yes Nov 11 13:29:59 DocScrutinizer: without backcover it should boot to maemo after timeout Nov 11 13:30:05 yep Nov 11 13:30:22 Necc: the second ;) Nov 11 13:30:27 DocScrutinizer: yes, but thats irrelevant in this case because hes replaced the stock kernel with power kernel Nov 11 13:30:50 and then *hopefully* start to charge, as MSJ is being told since 2 days to CHARGE BATTERY prior to flashing Nov 11 13:30:50 nidO: didn't get that part *scrolling* Nov 11 13:31:03 curious, is there some documentation how the USB tethering works? the PC shows in his dmesg "device cannot dial" but a normal wvdial works to connect. Nov 11 13:31:04 as i said i installed something called... mobilehotspot it said something about power kernal also so i installed that to... reboot then it was beeing wired about the u boot thing so i thouht it would boot to maemo but it just frezzres there Nov 11 13:31:04 chem|st: the whole problem came about when he installed mobilehotspot Nov 11 13:31:11 which also installs power kernel Nov 11 13:31:15 Does the n900 share the IP address with the host? Nov 11 13:31:25 nidO: ty Nov 11 13:31:29 nidO: found it Nov 11 13:31:30 nidO: so what? Nov 11 13:31:31 Does the N900 get a second IP address somehow from the provider? Nov 11 13:31:32 MSJ, basically this major fuckup with your device has happened because you didnt read Nov 11 13:32:03 poer kernel from the extras-devel i guess Nov 11 13:32:26 *power-kernel-2.6.28-maemo40 as i remember numbers correctly Nov 11 13:32:29 DocScrutinizer: uboot and power-kernel arent compatible with each other Nov 11 13:32:37 yacc: if you are talking about gsm/edge/umts 2g/3g then yes normal practice is to NAT through Nov 11 13:32:42 i take the battery off put in after 1 minut put it in to wall charger then the orange led turns on but i can also see on the screen that u-boot running Nov 11 13:32:46 as clearly spelt out in the uboot info, and reiterated by stskeeps here: Nov 11 13:32:46 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870262&postcount=28 Nov 11 13:32:46 err wut? Nov 11 13:32:52 but there it no light on the screen Nov 11 13:33:52 MSJ: that is normal afair, orange means charging Nov 11 13:33:54 MSJ: that's normal so far. low battery Nov 11 13:34:05 stskeeps is an hero Nov 11 13:34:08 oky i charge it then Nov 11 13:34:22 what do i do exacly after this Nov 11 13:34:42 MSJ: wait for green light Nov 11 13:34:49 once your device has power, follow this: Nov 11 13:34:52 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870270&postcount=30 Nov 11 13:35:00 it won't really charge, it just will boot eventually, and then hopefully boot to maemo and start flashing yellow, which means real charging Nov 11 13:35:24 boot to maemo?? Nov 11 13:35:26 doc Nov 11 13:35:27 ?? Nov 11 13:36:21 if it doesn't flash yellow, and instead reboots, you're screwed and need to charge externally (assuming you got no proper charging meego on a uSD for alternative OS boot) Nov 11 13:37:03 MSJ: I hope your ???? key won't wear out :-/ my eyes do, though Nov 11 13:37:09 oky thx all of you for the help for now.. i am sorry if have been an ass.. but when my nokia goes down i go down tooo with it Nov 11 13:37:39 chem|st, I'm talking explicitly about the USB tethering, which seems to be no NAT (or you could reach the n900 via IP, which you cannot), so yes what? Nov 11 13:37:41 MSJ: get an external charger, they are 5$ in an asian shop Nov 11 13:38:10 yacc: which direction Nov 11 13:38:11 i live in denmark no asian shope Nov 11 13:38:35 but it is yellow or i will call it orange Nov 11 13:38:40 chem|st, when you plugin in PCSuite mode at least, the N900 plays a dumb USB UMTS modem too. Nov 11 13:38:58 and i can see the u-boot on the screen with no light just black screen understand?? Nov 11 13:39:02 chem|st, /dev/ttyACM0 where you do the normal ppp dialin with the *99# number ;) Nov 11 13:39:25 what do you see exactly? Nov 11 13:39:47 what's written or displayed on the screen? Nov 11 13:39:54 MSJ: There are instructions given by Matan as to what you need to do in the thread you yourself linked, you still havent read them. Nov 11 13:40:17 you know that linux picture then it says something about u-boot bla bla power kernal stuff like that Nov 11 13:40:53 yacc: nevermind, your pc does see a USB network device, afair the IP your host gets is another than the ip your n900 has inbound or outbound Nov 11 13:41:03 then it already tried to boot and got stuck in uBoot. It won't recover. Get some way to charge your battery without N900 Nov 11 13:41:12 witch page Nov 11 13:41:13 4 Nov 11 13:41:14 ?? Nov 11 13:41:15 you reached a deadend Nov 11 13:41:21 chem|st, yeah, that too, but it also sees a serial device, and I'm curious how that serial device is implemented, ... Nov 11 13:41:22 DocScrutinizer: not true Nov 11 13:41:24 MSJ: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870270&postcount=30 Nov 11 13:41:39 doc... noooooooooo Nov 11 13:41:39 nidO: not helpful Nov 11 13:42:18 ofc its helpful, he can get as far as uboot so he can get to its interactive console which means he can restore a working kernel using matan's script Nov 11 13:42:41 so it dosent charge Nov 11 13:42:42 nidO: uhuh, how he'll do that? Nov 11 13:42:59 DocScrutinizer: how would he not be able to do that? Nov 11 13:43:03 nid0 .... have you seen what doc wrote Nov 11 13:43:18 meh, you just made it on my ignore list Nov 11 13:43:24 i never install one program on my nokia again Nov 11 13:43:36 yacc: ehrm pardon? PC-Suite is not part of the maemo stack... Nov 11 13:43:43 i am so angry i could trow this phone away Nov 11 13:44:04 because your own stupidness? how logical! :P :D Nov 11 13:44:20 chem|st, and I do not use PC-Suite, but the PC-Suite mode provides a serial device that emulates an UMTS modem, and I'm curious about that, .. Nov 11 13:44:28 MSJ: send it to me :) Nov 11 13:44:39 MSJ: please proceed! Nov 11 13:44:49 :-( Nov 11 13:44:53 MSJ: or do you want my postal address? Nov 11 13:44:55 you people are mean :-) Nov 11 13:45:18 MSJ: you do know that the power kernel and so on have huge warning stickers about "do you really want to do it and do you really know what you doing!!!" ? Nov 11 13:45:18 can i go to the phone company with this Nov 11 13:45:22 or we're just happy if another person offers an N900 for free Nov 11 13:45:22 MSJ: I am known as BOFH Nov 11 13:45:31 MSJ: nope Nov 11 13:45:49 why not Nov 11 13:45:50 ??? Nov 11 13:45:53 chem|st, who is your PFY? Nov 11 13:45:55 nidO: ok, you're a PITA in the way you answer, but you're right Nov 11 13:46:02 MSJ: they might notice the uboot screen? Nov 11 13:46:04 MSJ: your fault... it is written everywhere around and you did not read properly, Nov 11 13:46:07 so i have to break it berfore i go down to them Nov 11 13:46:44 with other nokia does this battery fit to Nov 11 13:46:45 =??? Nov 11 13:46:46 MSJ: no get a second battery and an external charger for that, which is a good idea for the N900 anyway. Nov 11 13:46:48 MSJ: read THIS! http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870270&postcount=30 Nov 11 13:46:54 5800 and so on. Nov 11 13:46:58 BL-5J Nov 11 13:47:06 * realitygaps got the 3g working, ben.nl had old connection settings on their website Nov 11 13:47:12 lcuk: I got no assistant yet but I was talking to the bosses about that already ;) Nov 11 13:47:27 chem|st, then you are not a BOFH Nov 11 13:47:35 what about the 3000 series Nov 11 13:47:35 ?? Nov 11 13:47:36 you are yourself a PFY? Nov 11 13:47:39 :P even Nov 11 13:48:18 doc... the orange led light is still on Nov 11 13:49:22 mhm, how interesting Nov 11 13:49:28 lcuk: not having an assistant doesn't let me become one o_O Nov 11 13:50:53 ~lart matan, for not using ANY text formating in his post Nov 11 13:50:53 * infobot drops a baby grand on matan, for not using ANY text formating in his post Nov 11 13:50:56 lcuk: I know since that story a real bofh is in need of a pfy... I at least got people to do my work so I can be in IRC... Nov 11 13:51:14 type type type Nov 11 13:51:33 very noobfriendly Nov 11 13:51:37 realitygaps: grats Nov 11 13:52:41 14:40 < yacc> MSJ: no get a second battery and an external charger for that, which is a good idea for the N900 anyway. <<< YES Nov 11 13:53:25 I highly recoomend a universal li-ion charger and spare batteries. you can keep a small stock of charged batteries Nov 11 13:53:33 So any documentation on how the UMTS modem works on the N900? Nov 11 13:53:37 MSJ: I would try that matan workaround first Nov 11 13:53:50 pupnik, universal li-on charger? Any examples that would work? Nov 11 13:54:08 doc i think it do charge begause i just took of from the charger and turn it on then there are light on the phone screen Nov 11 13:54:48 MSJ: please just believe me, it doesn't *really* charge Nov 11 13:55:03 http://www.accupower.at/panther6_en.php this works for me Nov 11 13:55:06 MSJ: not to kill your happiness, most "highend" devices do not charge without cooperation of the software on it. Nov 11 13:55:10 oky but i can read waht it says on the u-boot screen now Nov 11 13:55:19 pupnik, AT? Nov 11 13:55:25 MSJ: either you read, understand, and follow http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870270&postcount=30 -- or you get an external charger Nov 11 13:55:25 who make this fucking Nov 11 13:55:29 sry Nov 11 13:55:29 yes they are an importer of chinese made stuff yacc Nov 11 13:55:46 so they ensure legal compliance in eu - rohs, warranty Nov 11 13:56:09 pupnik, price point? Nov 11 13:56:29 you dont know any command i can write on this doc?? Nov 11 13:56:33 well the device from china is about 7 euro, the government compliance adds another 15 euro in cost Nov 11 13:56:55 MSJ: and I know for sure it still doesn't boot, it still doesn't flash, and it will be off with completely drained battery ... about right now Nov 11 13:56:56 it says omap3rx-51>> here it is possible to write things Nov 11 13:56:57 however you as a customer do benefit from that compliance - only you could buy three devices for the price of one Nov 11 13:57:28 eeck, Graz :( Nov 11 13:57:50 MSJ: R*E*A*D * * * T*H*I*S*: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870270&postcount=30 Nov 11 13:58:23 oky thx... Nov 11 13:58:25 :-) Nov 11 13:58:45 ~debian MSJ Nov 11 13:58:46 * infobot tells MSJ to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! Nov 11 13:59:13 i go to the store and make them charge it for me Nov 11 13:59:29 [2010-11-11 14:49:27] MSJ: either you read, understand, and follow http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870270&postcount=30 -- or you get an external charger Nov 11 13:59:48 MSJ: That's an idea ;) Nov 11 14:00:08 and now we're thru with your story, until you made some progress of *any* kind Nov 11 14:00:10 pupnik, I'd prefer something that I can get out of the door and pickup myself, ... Nov 11 14:00:22 oky doc Nov 11 14:01:18 pupnik, and driving 2x200km for a charger makes not exactly sense :( Nov 11 14:01:39 yacc: Federal Express Nov 11 14:02:46 lol. these guys usually don't even ring here :( Nov 11 14:03:27 chem|st: yep im chuffed, thx for your help... the apn was called basic.internet.ben.data Nov 11 14:03:27 so driving 2 * 250km to pick up the fedex parcel? :-P Nov 11 14:04:08 pupnik, what adapter are you using? Nov 11 14:04:40 DocScrutinizer: No find that small dinky mobile shop that by mistake have a charger that I can use in stock ;) Nov 11 14:05:54 the one i linked yacc Nov 11 14:06:05 hmm, that's just me but when in a pinch I always find ways to charge my batteries ;-D There's paperclips, and cars, and maybe even an old nokia wallcharger Nov 11 14:06:49 pupnik, that's a link to the charger, but then you need an adapter for Nokia, ... Nov 11 14:07:11 also who says it has to be a LiIon cell that powers the contacts in that battery bay Nov 11 14:07:15 no, you place the battery in the charger yacc Nov 11 14:07:24 so you charge spare batteries while using your n900 Nov 11 14:07:31 DocScrutinizer: Trying to charge LithiumIon batteries when not knowing what you do is are real NOGO. Nov 11 14:07:35 or n800 770 etc, Nov 11 14:07:44 yacc: ABSOLUTELY Nov 11 14:07:57 pupnik, I know, but the page says you get a charger and then you need an adapter for your battery, ... Nov 11 14:08:09 pupnik, yeah, as I did with my G1, ... Nov 11 14:09:12 yacc: I know what I know though :-D Nov 11 14:09:45 yacc: i place all lithiums of all devices directly on the charger (with adapter) - the adapter is universal Nov 11 14:10:07 Oh, so there is an universal adapter included? Nov 11 14:10:12 yes Nov 11 14:10:20 so at least I'm well aware when I'm not knowing what I do, and can take appropriate safety measures Nov 11 14:10:25 that's why i linked it - because it's a universal adapter Nov 11 14:11:09 yacc: you know... Nov 11 14:11:15 ~batteryfaq Nov 11 14:11:15 somebody said batteryfaq was http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers Nov 11 14:11:18 ? Nov 11 14:11:33 pupnik, http://geizhals.at/?such=Panther6 <= notice the "Ladeschale"? Nov 11 14:11:49 DocScrutinizer: Well if you know how, everything is fine. Nov 11 14:12:03 nothing about brute force charging in there, but we knew why we didn't elaborate on that Nov 11 14:12:07 that is linkspamming to get hits for different battery types yacc Nov 11 14:12:25 it is the same product Nov 11 14:12:58 DocScrutinizer: Not sure if an old Nokia wall charger does have the needed electronics to charge a LiIon battery without a phone in between. Nov 11 14:13:22 i think DocScrutinizer is talking about just giving batteries some juice with manual supervision Nov 11 14:13:34 it has a relatively high Z which means voltage will go down smoothly @ max I Nov 11 14:13:54 and for the rest see pupnik ^^^ Nov 11 14:14:38 i don't want to go on about this but a universal charger really helped me with all portable devices Nov 11 14:14:39 sure you can overcharge if you charge too long Nov 11 14:14:43 i now always have a fresh spare Nov 11 14:16:34 basically depending on type of battery (has protective circuit or not) the cell itself will cut out on ~4.3V which is still considered safe. If you got one without... happy new year! Nov 11 14:18:03 DocScrutinizer: fried LiPolies ar fun! Nov 11 14:18:17 yep, MUUUUCH fun :-P Nov 11 14:18:31 DocScrutinizer: its like an egg in a microwave Nov 11 14:18:36 youtube has zillions of videos about such fun Nov 11 14:18:59 just faster.... Nov 11 14:19:16 and hotter Nov 11 14:20:46 * DocScrutinizer just recalls he forgot to sleep last night Nov 11 14:22:29 has anyone managed to sync the n900 over bluetooth ? Nov 11 14:22:43 shika: sync what? Nov 11 14:22:57 calendar, addressbook Nov 11 14:23:01 shika: with what Nov 11 14:23:18 I managed to do this with syncml-ds-tool, but on usb Nov 11 14:23:31 bt always fail I don’t know why Nov 11 14:23:39 tried with syncevolution and syncml-ds-tool Nov 11 14:23:40 shika: please elaborate Nov 11 14:23:51 I’m sure it is paired because I can send files on it Nov 11 14:23:55 shika: thunderbird? Nov 11 14:24:02 nope, evolution Nov 11 14:24:21 (or text files) Nov 11 14:24:48 shika: linux? (don't know if there is evo for windows) Nov 11 14:26:41 chem|st: yep, with linux Nov 11 14:26:50 I get First ERROR encountered: ObexTransprotAgent: Underlying transport error Nov 11 14:26:55 with syncevolution Nov 11 14:27:25 I’ve got syncevolution 1.1 Nov 11 14:27:25 shika: are you able to send files? Nov 11 14:27:44 if not your BT isn't setup properly Nov 11 14:27:48 yep Nov 11 14:27:55 that’s why I’m pretty sure it is paired Nov 11 14:28:15 the bluetooth icon goes blue on the n900 systray Nov 11 14:32:14 <_trine> MohammadAG, are you here ? Nov 11 14:34:30 <_trine> MohammadAG, is it ok if I give that neopwn program to my friends as well Nov 11 14:41:58 chem|st: here’s what I get with syncml-ds-tool : http://pastebin.mandriva.com/21217 Nov 11 14:42:28 I see it attempts to connect to the n900, but it somehow fails :/ Nov 11 14:42:50 timeless_mbp: i fixed my certs Nov 11 14:42:59 timeless_mbp: with proper trusted signed certs Nov 11 14:43:30 What package contains the program to enable USB host mode? kernel-power already installed. Nov 11 14:44:06 alterego, I was able to fix my meego/n900 startup ssh-keygen-stalls issue by mounting the sd card on PC, and copying keys to the right place. thanks for your idea. should we document this somewhere? Nov 11 14:47:15 chem|st: here’s what sdptool finds about the phone http://pastebin.mandriva.com/21218 Nov 11 14:47:58 I wonder why the connection gets rejected :/ Nov 11 14:50:00 zap: kernel-hostmode Nov 11 14:51:02 also, version 1.0 and 1.2 gives the same result Nov 11 14:55:35 please tell me if you need additional information about my setup :) Nov 11 15:00:30 jacekowski: arg Nov 11 15:00:42 so you mean i have to test someone else's server? Nov 11 15:02:25 timeless_mbp: i can change it back if you really want Nov 11 15:02:44 if you could run it /somewhere/ on that server for me to play w/, that'd be appreciated :) Nov 11 15:02:54 it doesn't have to be on 5222 Nov 11 15:04:03 timeless_mbp: what server, what test? Nov 11 15:04:16 misconfigured jabber ssl Nov 11 15:04:16 timeless_mbp: port 5333 Nov 11 15:04:22 thanks Nov 11 15:04:28 timeless_mbp: proper cert on 5222 and broken one on 5333 Nov 11 15:05:00 so what is that script of yours supposed to do Nov 11 15:05:06 just tell user that cert is broken? Nov 11 15:05:08 or what? Nov 11 15:05:43 http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/jabber-ssl-fix/opt/maemo/usr/bin/ Nov 11 15:06:04 it should install the cert, and eventually it will modify /etc/hosts Nov 11 15:06:09 Internal Server Error Nov 11 15:06:22 i think your server is trying to execute it Nov 11 15:06:25 yeah, don't try to run .pl files :) Nov 11 15:06:33 http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/jabber-ssl-fix.deb Nov 11 15:06:36 so how do i download it Nov 11 15:06:41 download and extract it using ar+tar Nov 11 15:06:44 (or dpkg-deb) Nov 11 15:07:37 timeless_mbp: this is also part of the slides? :) Nov 11 15:07:42 *is this Nov 11 15:07:50 * timeless_mbp needs to make the slides Nov 11 15:08:01 timeless_mbp: me too :/ Nov 11 15:08:12 the slides parts are going to be pictures of /etc/osso-af-init/ Nov 11 15:08:12 * sivang is stil busy with dayjob Nov 11 15:08:19 * timeless_mbp wonders how to make a picture of a directory Nov 11 15:08:33 timeless_mbp: use an nautilus icon? Nov 11 15:08:37 timeless_mbp: for directory Nov 11 15:08:59 timeless_mbp: I want to sit and meet on sunday *sometime* before Monday comes. Nov 11 15:09:11 timeless_mbp: about the talk ,etc Nov 11 15:09:13 * timeless_mbp nods Nov 11 15:09:23 thanks Nov 11 15:11:03 shika: I have no idea (and currently busy) Nov 11 15:14:54 hello guys, uninstalled the power-kernel and mobilehotspot, and I rebooted Nov 11 15:15:12 My phone keeps rebooting and showing the Nokia Logo screen Nov 11 15:15:59 after a while I see a message that says "Malfunctioning Device Shut down in 10s" Nov 11 15:16:16 Any ideas how can I fix this? Nov 11 15:17:26 cmsamour: have you tried to remove the battery? Nov 11 15:17:37 depends on the malfunction Nov 11 15:18:08 cmsamour: have you tried to flash to stock kernel? Nov 11 15:18:43 chem|st: yes. I tried that, and the memory card Nov 11 15:18:50 funny idea to uninstall a kernel - go figure Nov 11 15:18:50 just keeps rebooting Nov 11 15:19:03 DocScrutinizer: yup ;) Nov 11 15:19:21 cmsamour: flashing the kernel too? Nov 11 15:19:23 ~flash Nov 11 15:19:23 hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 11 15:19:37 chem|st: will try that Nov 11 15:19:39 thanks Nov 11 15:20:24 DocScrutinizer: shouldn't infobot strip naked or something on ~flash? Nov 11 15:21:08 she did, you were too busy with kernel to realize Nov 11 15:23:02 ~striptease Nov 11 15:23:03 Hoogah Hoogah wah wah *takes of the box* *dances around showing of the cpu and memory* Ah yeah you likey my little HD no? Nov 11 15:26:43 <_trine> after infobot does the striptease it should do a bit of peeking and poking into a few common ports Nov 11 15:26:48 chem|st: no problem, thanks anyway :) Nov 11 15:29:43 ~flashything _trine Nov 11 15:29:44 * infobot sets the dial, puts on shades, and makes _trine forget the last hour Nov 11 15:30:01 <_trine> :) Nov 11 15:30:35 jacekowski: did you look at the script? Nov 11 15:32:56 not really Nov 11 15:39:01 I have to say I'm not really happy with the way uBoot is packed with a kernel to one monolithic blob Nov 11 15:40:55 probably it'd be tough to get uBoot into any other partition than kernel, or rather it'd be hard to tell NOLO to chainload it from there Nov 11 15:42:43 but really, if uBoot came with a preinstall script to build that blob locally, from uBoot image plus whatver kernel is already in use, then flash that instead of a fixed kernel version riveted to uBoot... Nov 11 15:46:58 of course patching NOLO to chainload from another partition/location probably would be even better - if somebody had the brains for that Nov 11 15:47:08 * DocScrutinizer pokes jacekowski Nov 11 15:49:11 jacekowski: could uBoot get duct-taped to end of NOLO and still fit on mtd partition? Nov 11 15:51:57 DocScrutinizer: partitions can be moved Nov 11 15:52:19 I thought as much. A tad invasive though, no? Nov 11 15:52:28 how big is u-boot? Nov 11 15:52:33 nfc Nov 11 15:53:01 how big might it get to fit? Nov 11 15:53:31 i have to play with mods to nolo Nov 11 15:53:34 and see what happens Nov 11 15:53:40 What is the difference between g_nokia.ko and g_ether.ko? Nov 11 15:53:51 zap: 5 letters Nov 11 15:54:15 yeah. I guess patching the absolute load addr for ""kernel"" on NAND isn't hard Nov 11 15:54:58 g_nokia doing ass rage? Nov 11 15:55:36 and PC-suite shit Nov 11 15:58:52 US army suicides exceed deaths from enemy fire Nov 11 15:59:23 zap: anyway where from you got g_ether? Nov 11 16:00:48 pupnik: has to be a new secret weapon of "enemy" then. Evil! Nuke them! Nov 11 16:01:39 DocScrutinizer: do you remember junior high school? Nov 11 16:01:52 There were kids who were interested in learning about things, and reading. Nov 11 16:01:54 never was on a jnior high Nov 11 16:02:00 And there were kids who were interested in dominating others Nov 11 16:02:16 we got no such thing here I guess Nov 11 16:02:27 This is the culture i saw in USA Nov 11 16:02:49 pupnik, bullying is a worldwide problem and not related to one type of school Nov 11 16:03:07 lord of flies was the name of the movie Nov 11 16:03:18 lcuk: i see society as a conflict between the nerdy creators of cool things, and the libido dominande bullys Nov 11 16:03:59 it is just an expansion of the social dynamic visible in 7th grade Nov 11 16:04:02 that's archaic I guess Nov 11 16:04:12 really? Nov 11 16:04:30 i saw the kids interested in learning get 'taxed' in the hallways Nov 11 16:04:46 as in "evolution inevitably created it like that" Nov 11 16:05:01 lcuk, it's a cultural problem, I've gone through school as a nerd herearound without any bad bulling incidents, ... Nov 11 16:05:05 nothing organic about forced schooling Nov 11 16:05:26 the greatest incidence of sexual abuse occurs in environments where people are forced to be together Nov 11 16:05:34 * timeless_mbp grumbles Nov 11 16:05:35 prisons, military, public schoools Nov 11 16:05:49 lcuk, or let me put it like that. The highschool experience here is clearly not even near to the experiences shown by movies, books, and so on that talk about the US. Nov 11 16:05:51 the pki guy here showed me that -i and -a behave differently on his device Nov 11 16:05:55 but on my device, neither work :( Nov 11 16:06:09 yacc, of course Nov 11 16:15:23 lcuk: the other kids either ignored me, or "befriended" me to get homework help in math, ... Nov 11 16:16:50 hey Mr Birkett, how's about liqacceltest learning to reset the chip? Nov 11 16:17:28 Mr Reisenweber, reset the chip? Nov 11 16:18:09 yep, it's stuck here. Once again. AIUI it's the chip itself Nov 11 16:18:52 use flyn900, then throw the N900 10m into the air, it will reset Nov 11 16:19:38 nope. Tried that, doesn't. Maybe I threw it 11m Nov 11 16:19:58 DocScrutinizer51, explain reset Nov 11 16:20:10 good point Nov 11 16:20:13 lcuk, recalibrating maybe Nov 11 16:20:28 I guess there's some I2C reset cmd Nov 11 16:20:31 CLOSED: RESOLVED: WORKSFORME Nov 11 16:20:37 patches welcome then Nov 11 16:20:41 you already know more than me Nov 11 16:21:18 duh, was there a patch for that in 1.3? Nov 11 16:25:18 meh, rmmod lis302dl didn't help Nov 11 16:41:44 eeeeek >> Registers marked as reserved must not be changed. The writing to those registers may cause permanent damages to the device.<< Nov 11 16:42:35 What's that from? Nov 11 16:42:39 so now you know why it's deprecated to play with i2cset without having a clue what you're doing Nov 11 16:42:44 lis302 ds Nov 11 16:43:21 s/deprecated/stupid/ Nov 11 16:43:38 ok Nov 11 16:43:55 I guess that that's screwing cal Nov 11 16:43:57 and there's no obvious reset bit Nov 11 16:44:42 I'd guess excercising every possible codepath in the device would do the same Nov 11 16:44:53 (unless it blows up first) Nov 11 16:46:53 Well - you can set voltages high enough to fry stuff by playing with registers. Nov 11 16:47:31 i2cset can permanently kill memory: http://man-wiki.net/index.php/8:i2cset#WARNING Nov 11 16:47:49 I love N900 for this <3,It allows you to kill it Nov 11 16:47:56 I'm guessing it's its own control regs and working ram mapped to same i2c as documented interface.. Nov 11 16:48:40 SpeedEvil: yes. it's not THAT simple though Nov 11 16:48:44 Sure. Nov 11 16:49:08 Destroy is strong. Nov 11 16:49:15 The memory is not destroyed. Nov 11 16:49:21 It may be made unusable. Nov 11 16:51:55 hi Nov 11 16:52:17 SpeedEvil: in the manual, "destroy" is written in capitals. I think it can seriously destroy Nov 11 16:52:26 It can't. Nov 11 16:52:53 It can rewrite the I2C eeprom in order to make it not usable without rewriting which cannot be done in most PCs. Nov 11 16:54:49 well, then it can destroy in some cases Nov 11 16:55:22 It is not destroyed if it can be repaired. Nov 11 16:56:14 and in conclusion, when it cannot be repaired in most PCs, it has destroyed Nov 11 16:56:24 No, it's not. Nov 11 16:56:55 morning gentleman Nov 11 16:56:59 Morning. Nov 11 16:57:40 *men. Nov 11 16:57:43 ;P Nov 11 16:59:51 moo javispedro Nov 11 16:59:55 how are things? Nov 11 17:00:08 hi Nov 11 17:00:10 quite well Nov 11 17:00:33 "my little project" is going very well, I might have something cool to show soon Nov 11 17:00:37 SpeedEvil: Where the heck do you see the relevant difference between "irrepairably unusable" and "destroyed"? Nov 11 17:00:39 anything new and evil? Nov 11 17:00:41 i've just installed the nokia sdk and tryed to deploy my first app on a n900 Nov 11 17:01:06 all went almost ok, but qtcreator wasn't able to install the app Nov 11 17:01:10 is this a known thing? Nov 11 17:01:22 andax: because it's not irreparably. Nov 11 17:01:32 javispedro: Well, small things Nov 11 17:01:43 andax: I can hook it to a USB-I2C adaptor I have a couple of meters from me, and repair it. Nov 11 17:01:48 andax: ipods are irrepairably unusable, though they're not broken. Nov 11 17:02:15 i've logged into the device via ssh as user 'developer', installed the deb and then all worked fine. is this possible to get this automatically from qtcreator? Nov 11 17:02:19 javispedro: Have not got time to work on my own projects (Maemo related or not) for what feels like eternity Nov 11 17:03:56 SpeedEvil: Okay, this was explicit enough, at last the penny dropped :) Nov 11 17:04:44 hmm, just reflashed to PR 1.3, but my junk is all still there, and the programs are not. is an rm -r /home/user/.* all I need to get it back to out of the box state? ^^ Nov 11 17:05:08 RST38h: oh, coming to dublin though btw? Nov 11 17:05:15 javispedro: nope Nov 11 17:06:26 ah :( Nov 11 17:06:56 Funnyface: /home/user/MyDocs i think. and never _ever_ run rm with .* on the end :) Nov 11 17:07:20 javispedro: no money, no vacation left, very low probability of any big announcements during the conference Nov 11 17:07:56 javispedro: would still like to chat with a few people from the community and Nokia, but see above Nov 11 17:10:49 RST38h: agreed with the low probably point Nov 11 17:10:57 in fact at this point it has been pretty much stated Nov 11 17:13:20 http://www.klocwork.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Deadlock-frog-versus-snake.jpg Nov 11 17:13:35 A picture that applies to so many RL situations... =) Nov 11 17:15:15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTOQUnvI3CA - soundtrack to above pic Nov 11 17:16:14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTOQUnvI3CA - soundtrack to above pic Nov 11 17:17:13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVAwoFZKUSQ what do you think of my 'happy happy' song - written in 1997 or so Nov 11 17:22:21 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCQ0vDAbF7s this one's better Nov 11 17:26:43 Anyone moderators here? If so, could you add the 1800 UTC Maemo Meeting to the room topic? It doesn't seem to want to work for me. :-/ Nov 11 17:27:59 hey timsamoff Nov 11 17:28:09 * MohammadAG pings crashanddie / crashanddie_ Nov 11 17:28:12 Good morning (my time of course). Nov 11 17:43:00 Physical Modeling recreates real piano: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5scEjoWRcR8 Nov 11 17:44:56 That is awesome. Nov 11 17:48:28 don't miss this one then alterego - detuned strings http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrIpDM-rc0M Nov 11 17:48:43 that blew me away Nov 11 17:49:04 I bet that keyboard costs a bomb .. Nov 11 17:49:16 2300 euro right now Nov 11 17:49:32 That's a lot more reasonible than I thought :D Nov 11 17:49:33 MohammadAG, ping Nov 11 17:49:57 the same modeling without the customization (boo) is 1300 euro Nov 11 17:49:58 pupnik: so are you porting it to maemo? :P Nov 11 17:50:23 no but i have my own ideas for music-making workflow i'd like to realize someday Nov 11 17:50:25 on a portable Nov 11 17:50:36 Cool, Nov 11 17:50:54 pong Nov 11 17:51:05 it usually works best when someone else codes my ideas Nov 11 17:51:05 I'd like to work on a guitar swiss army knife app, digital tuner + personal amplifier + recorder Nov 11 17:51:13 doing that right now, actually Nov 11 17:51:17 MohammadAG, would you still happen to have the info on window switching? the stuff with alt-tab Nov 11 17:51:19 Doing what? Nov 11 17:51:27 fun proggies Nov 11 17:51:31 :) Nov 11 17:51:41 yeah, use gconf-tool-2 :) Nov 11 17:52:03 bleh I know that but I need the full command line..lol Nov 11 17:52:18 :P Nov 11 17:53:08 gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/ctrl_backspace_in_tasknav -t int 5 I think Nov 11 17:53:08 thought I had bookmarked it Nov 11 17:53:21 thanks Nov 11 17:54:07 MADNESS Nov 11 17:54:22 A typical piece of GObject class initialization code. The example shows a property file-size being added to some class. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/GObject_example.png Nov 11 17:54:42 slono:is this LISP? Nov 11 17:54:44 ;) Nov 11 17:54:59 and they really think any sane person will use that? Nov 11 17:55:19 That's C Nov 11 17:55:22 MohammadAG, yup it works, and that lead to this: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Nov 11 17:55:59 tbh, there's some unnecessary parens in there .. Nov 11 17:57:02 alterego: only one, before g_param_spec Nov 11 17:57:13 slonopotamus: indeed, that is what I Was talking about :P Nov 11 17:57:36 sigh, any workaround for Error opening terminal: xterm Nov 11 17:57:43 when installing scratchbox Nov 11 17:58:15 Can't say I've had that error. Nov 11 17:58:20 alterego: and smth around 50LoC to just declare new type :) Nov 11 17:58:22 Do you have xterm installed? Nov 11 17:58:43 slonopotamus: gobject is a pain, but there is a reason it is how it is. Nov 11 18:00:11 alterego: there's no excuse for having so much boilerplate code that you have to write and read Nov 11 18:00:37 They do have generators .. Nov 11 18:00:52 And the boiler plate becomes pretty transparent when you get used to seeing it :P Nov 11 18:01:30 generators - okay. writing all that by hand - no way Nov 11 18:01:42 Well, that's what generators are for. Nov 11 18:01:49 Or you can use a template, which is what I generally do. Nov 11 18:02:12 I have templates, then just use search/replace to rename the class etc. Nov 11 18:02:34 alterego, yes Nov 11 18:02:45 and TERM env variable is set to xterm Nov 11 18:02:53 Interesting, Nov 11 18:02:56 this wasn't present on 10.04 Nov 11 18:03:02 this is why I always do manual install .. Nov 11 18:04:19 Anyhow, dinner time, bbiab Nov 11 18:04:42 alterego, even manual Nov 11 18:06:22 slonopotamus: yes, GObject is madness. Nov 11 18:06:32 slonopotamus: I've defined around 6 to 7 GObjects in my entire life. Nov 11 18:06:40 slonopotamus: takes an entire afternoon doing just one Nov 11 18:06:47 so... my suggestion, NEVER, EVER, do it. Nov 11 18:06:55 use Vala, or gob2, or SOMETHING. Nov 11 18:07:25 javispedro: Was that done under the influence of a control substance of some kind? Nov 11 18:07:33 controlled Nov 11 18:07:53 RST38h: promises of a better future with OO Nov 11 18:08:22 * javispedro cfmradio has 4 gobjects iirc, and the next one I define I will do in blood. Nov 11 18:10:10 javispedro: eek Nov 11 18:11:15 * javispedro thinks the only good stuff out of gobject would be signals... if it weren't for the even more ugly marshaller stuff. Nov 11 18:11:28 gobject should never be used directly Nov 11 18:28:36 is there already an application to organize ones quicklaunchers in groups? Nov 11 18:31:34 KaffeeJunky123: "quick launchers"? Nov 11 18:32:12 Jaffa: aka shourtcuts Nov 11 18:32:18 *shortcuts Nov 11 18:32:28 KaffeeJunky123: There's Catorise Nov 11 18:32:56 that's for the application menu only from my understanding Nov 11 18:33:27 I'm asking if there's an application to help arranging the icons on your hildon desktop Nov 11 18:41:01 aha, Microsoft patents a "Foot Based Interface" Nov 11 18:41:13 foot-in-mouth based interface Nov 11 18:43:10 javispedro: omg, why do they do such a thing? Nov 11 18:43:26 to stop the free software comunity from creating foot based interfaces? Nov 11 18:43:40 oh no Nov 11 18:43:43 and those dance games used what? your arms? Nov 11 18:43:48 now I can't go to work tonight Nov 11 18:43:56 my car uses a foot based interface Nov 11 18:44:31 ShadowJK: don't joke about this, it's for barrier free interfaces Nov 11 18:44:43 ShadowJK: for people with no hands for example Nov 11 18:44:54 computer, search please: maemo history archive: barcelona long weekend, set resulting scans of screen layouts for media editing application. stored on wiki I believe Nov 11 18:45:00 but I can't find a link \@/ Nov 11 18:45:30 a patent on such technology in general means that ms can limit who may provide a foot interface Nov 11 18:46:01 javispedro, have you any idea - a load of photos of the paper layouts drawn in one of hte sessions Nov 11 18:46:12 self-destruction started. access code alpha beta four six tango. 60 seconds until core explosion. have a nice day. Nov 11 18:46:16 maybe converted into pdf code :P Nov 11 18:46:48 hm.. Nov 11 18:46:56 What part of hildon is managing the position of icons on the desktop, or however those widgets and shortcut buttons are called. Nov 11 18:47:30 are there apis to position those icons, or is it done by editing some configuration files? Nov 11 18:47:47 lcuk: I do not think I have any of it saved on my HDD, so if it's gone from the web ... :( Nov 11 18:47:52 KaffeeJunky123, configuration files Nov 11 18:48:00 javispedro, i dont think its gone Nov 11 18:48:06 i just don't think it was advertised Nov 11 18:48:52 lcuk: where can I find a doc on those config files? Nov 11 18:49:45 http://www.forum.nokia.com/Design/Design_process/Getting_started/Conceptual_design.xhtml Nov 11 18:49:48 lcuk: videos are still on youtube, maybe you can get a hint of them in any of the videos? Nov 11 18:49:49 ah Nov 11 18:50:17 KaffeeJunky123, err not sure right now Nov 11 18:50:24 javispedro, its ok i am getting closer Nov 11 18:51:08 lcuk: well, I'll just read all wikipages on ui stuff then xD Nov 11 18:51:59 lcuk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlJ2Ttq231A ? Nov 11 18:51:59 MohammadAG, you have been rooting around hildon desktop recently, have you noticed where the layouts are stored? Nov 11 18:52:08 javispedro, theres a whole bunch of links Nov 11 18:52:22 i looked over them when they were posted Nov 11 18:52:27 * lcuk will find it Nov 11 18:52:29 aha Nov 11 18:53:32 :D Nov 11 18:53:33 http://wiki.maemo.org/VideoEditor Nov 11 18:53:41 ah. Nov 11 18:53:45 I actually never saw that! :) Nov 11 18:53:54 hmm, layouts for what? Nov 11 18:53:58 now, to post in the meego-dev thread Nov 11 18:54:07 about early bird.. Nov 11 18:59:54 wtf Nov 11 18:59:58 n900 has recharged itself Nov 11 18:59:58 xd Nov 11 19:00:07 it was low battery beeping minutes ago Nov 11 19:00:09 javispedro, hostmode kernel? Nov 11 19:00:16 and suddenly bme says 50% Nov 11 19:00:28 no, stock Nov 11 19:00:35 magnetic fields! Nov 11 19:00:39 javispedro: free energy probably ;) Nov 11 19:01:01 I totally do not know what happened here. Nov 11 19:01:04 other that dud battery Nov 11 19:01:12 s/that/than/ Nov 11 19:01:14 javispedro meant: other than dud battery Nov 11 19:06:53 help Nov 11 19:07:01 how do i run something as another user? Nov 11 19:07:08 ... a *specific* command Nov 11 19:07:13 short of using suid user Nov 11 19:07:17 sudo? Nov 11 19:08:35 Sorry, user user is not allowed to execute '/bin/touch /tmp/xx' as user on Nokia-N900. Nov 11 19:09:55 you'll need to use visudo to edit /etc/sudoers file and give user more credentials or maybe login as root via sudo -i and then try that Nov 11 19:10:57 * timeless_ settles on echo do_what_i_want | su - user Nov 11 19:11:04 hmm may also need gainroot package or use rd mode or install openssh-common and try logging in as root Nov 11 19:11:14 javispedro, nah the meter is rather useless Nov 11 19:12:07 timeless_: su -c "command" Nov 11 19:12:16 javispedro: http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/jabber-ssl-fix.deb Nov 11 19:12:21 ShadowJK: well, first time I see it go from 0% to 100% Nov 11 19:12:28 s/100%/50% Nov 11 19:12:45 javispedro: see Sorry above Nov 11 19:13:05 javispedro: oh, no Nov 11 19:13:11 you have to be root Nov 11 19:13:14 sudo: illlegal option '-c' Nov 11 19:13:22 ah, messybox :( Nov 11 19:13:35 Usage: su [OPTION]... [-] [username] Nov 11 19:13:42 so yeah, forget what you know about stuff Nov 11 19:13:47 anyway, install deb above Nov 11 19:13:53 timeless_: what's that pkg btw? forces jabber certificate checking? Nov 11 19:14:08 and try (as root) running perl /usr/sbin/jabber-cert-convert.pl Nov 11 19:14:13 it isn't done yet Nov 11 19:14:16 but yeah, basically Nov 11 19:14:42 when it's done, it'll install the cert(s), set up /etc/hosts properly, and fix accounts so that they use the "proper" (broken) hostnames Nov 11 19:15:32 I see what you did there. Nov 11 19:16:51 yay, managed to compile gstmjpg, now to test it... Nov 11 19:17:49 # su user -c "/usr/bin/cmcli -p" Nov 11 19:17:49 /usr/bin/cmcli: option requires an argument -- p Nov 11 19:17:53 timeless_ ^^ Nov 11 19:18:06 (note: bad argument is intentional) Nov 11 19:18:11 I do no want to mess with certs just yet Nov 11 19:18:28 but su user -c seems to work in messybox Nov 11 19:18:37 despite its own builtin help. Nov 11 19:18:45 of course! Nov 11 19:18:53 why didn't i divine that from it's help? oh .. Nov 11 19:21:01 * javispedro didn't use to call busybox "messybox" until few months ago. by now I think it really deserves the name. Nov 11 19:21:15 gimme GNU!! Nov 11 19:21:54 bsd userland, please :) Nov 11 19:22:02 hehe, and I named it like that Nov 11 19:22:11 DocScrutinizer: yes, I copied you =) Nov 11 19:23:05 fwiw, i'm starting to agree Nov 11 19:23:29 getting old is needing to increase your terminal from 7 to 8 point font Nov 11 19:24:34 not on N900? Nov 11 19:24:58 I need at very least 10PT Nov 11 19:25:09 Wee, the netbook fits in my camera bag. Nov 11 19:25:17 That simplifies things. Nov 11 19:25:23 im trying to install wifieye but i get: unmet dependencies: depends python2.5-qt4-core but it is not going to be installed Nov 11 19:25:31 GAN900: travel packing? Nov 11 19:25:34 why isnt it installing the dependencies? Nov 11 19:25:42 tekojo, indeed. Nov 11 19:26:31 WakiMiko: probably, 2.5-qt4-core isn't in the repo anymore Nov 11 19:27:05 mh Nov 11 19:27:06 GAN900: necessities (money, passport, phone), toiletries and clothes, that's all you need Nov 11 19:27:06 it is Nov 11 19:27:22 WakiMiko: what happens if you install it manually? Nov 11 19:27:48 i just did an apt-get update and now it works Nov 11 19:27:58 #if 0 /* Please understand this before removing guard. */ Nov 11 19:27:58 tekojo, well, bringing the camera and the Mini 9, too. Nov 11 19:28:01 GAN900: don't forget shaver Nov 11 19:28:04 * timeless_ forgot that last week Nov 11 19:28:09 timeless_, indeed not. Nov 11 19:28:20 timeless_: I consider that a toiletry Nov 11 19:28:39 tekojo: it's in a different spot in my apt, but in my case i forgot both :( Nov 11 19:29:02 (initially i forgot my passport even though I explicitly noted to myself that i needed it) Nov 11 19:29:14 in my case, s/phone/phones/ :) Nov 11 19:29:17 timeless_: ouch, so you went shopping? Nov 11 19:29:39 tekojo: nah, i grew a bad beard for a week and the hotel gave me a toothbrush w/ toothpaste Nov 11 19:29:41 crashes when i start it though: runtimeerror: the sip module implements API v8.0 but the PyQt4.Qtcore module requires API 7.1 Nov 11 19:29:57 I'm probably going to end up forgetting my jacket. Nov 11 19:30:01 timeless_: you with a beard, that would be a sight Nov 11 19:30:02 the monday before last was a holiday in France, so shopping wasn't very practical Nov 11 19:30:12 tekojo: google for me, there are shots online fairly high iirc Nov 11 19:30:20 Weather's back up to fall standard. Nov 11 19:30:32 on the trip before last, i left one of my phones @home :( Nov 11 19:30:46 people might consider taking a bike helmet w/ them Nov 11 19:30:53 i took one to Lyon and it was helpful Nov 11 19:31:00 Dublin is bike friendly too (traffic sucks) Nov 11 19:31:51 timeless_: compared to Helsinki Dublin is bike heaven Nov 11 19:32:05 Renting a bike? Nov 11 19:32:09 not as good as Amsterdam, but anyway Nov 11 19:32:28 GAN900: not this time, but visited there a couple of times Nov 11 19:32:32 GAN900: Lyon was a 150EUR deposit Nov 11 19:32:42 pick up at any site, drop off at any site Nov 11 19:32:44 first 30mins free Nov 11 19:32:51 for 7 days Nov 11 19:33:24 what's happening with maemo fbreader? Nov 11 19:33:31 Dunno that I'll be doing any non-group tourism. Nov 11 19:33:45 there are frequent releases to extras-devel (I presume), where can I see changelogs? Nov 11 19:33:47 mgedmin, new maintainer not shipping RST38h's patches? Nov 11 19:34:20 http://fbreader.org/ has FBReader 0.12.10 is released (April 2, 2010) as the latest new entry Nov 11 19:34:32 so this new development and maemo5ication is unofficial work then? Nov 11 19:34:48 I'd like to register a complaint about segfaults on exit then Nov 11 19:35:00 mgedmin: in changelog Nov 11 19:35:37 mgedmin: you're just being fussy Nov 11 19:35:51 I'm trying to be curious Nov 11 19:36:45 moin Nov 11 19:38:04 moin Nov 11 19:38:09 suppose I find http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/fbreader/0.12.10-15/ Nov 11 19:38:16 how can I find the _source_ package for that version? Nov 11 19:38:39 mgedmin: upstream ? Nov 11 19:38:49 bzzt wrong Nov 11 19:39:22 Hi Nov 11 19:40:40 * Noobmonk3y squeals Nov 11 19:40:46 mgedmin: you shoul'd be able to from there Nov 11 19:41:09 funnly enough, link is not there. Nov 11 19:41:15 magic. Nov 11 19:41:54 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/source/f/fbreader/ has nothing with version number 0.12.10 Nov 11 19:42:01 did someone upload a binary-only package? Nov 11 19:42:05 am I looking in the wrong place? Nov 11 19:42:30 mgedmin: it was uploaded by this guy Nov 11 19:42:30 http://maemo.org/profile/view/rob1n/ Nov 11 19:42:35 so, grab your pitchfork. Nov 11 19:42:38 and pay him a visit. Nov 11 19:42:46 http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/11/aaxa-busts-out-its-bright-little-xga-m2-projector/ Nov 11 19:42:51 this plus N900... Nov 11 19:43:14 apt-get source fbreader=0.12.10? Nov 11 19:43:36 mgedmin: also, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/source/f/fbreader/ Nov 11 19:43:39 hmm, nvm Nov 11 19:43:48 I _am_ looking in the wrong place Nov 11 19:43:50 thanks, javispedro Nov 11 19:43:53 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/f/fbreader/ Nov 11 19:44:12 now to download 2.3 MB of tarball just to see a frigging changelog Nov 11 19:44:22 seemingly autobuilder misbehaved by building it Nov 11 19:44:44 s/by/while Nov 11 19:45:30 * javispedro partially thanks god that uploading stuff to AB is hard Nov 11 19:45:34 hm Nov 11 19:45:41 sometimes you see newcomers uploading plain shit Nov 11 19:45:44 mgedmin: how about using fapman? It shows changelogs, no? Nov 11 19:45:47 that fortunately fails to build... Nov 11 19:46:00 otherwise we'd have x86 binary packages on armel repos already Nov 11 19:47:13 javispedro: so, seem ok? Nov 11 19:47:50 timeless_mbp: the package? a bit on the hackish side :) Nov 11 19:47:55 but should work. Nov 11 19:48:13 javispedro: the next part is more painful Nov 11 19:48:20 i need to figure out how to talk to telepathy Nov 11 19:48:26 ahhaha Nov 11 19:48:27 because i need to change its settings Nov 11 19:48:29 [sorry] Nov 11 19:48:55 and ... if you have more than one jabber account, i need to use socat Nov 11 19:49:28 yes, hackish. Nov 11 19:50:02 I wonder if telepathy doesn't have some sort of warning signal, as afaiu, the telepathy core "does" SSL cert (i do not know if maemo has that disabled due to certman?) Nov 11 19:50:27 *cert verification. Nov 11 19:50:37 mgedmin: the joy of git haters Nov 11 19:50:47 eh? Nov 11 19:50:52 i wish someone would fix the pidgin-otr package Nov 11 19:50:56 mgedmin: btw, what was on the changelog? :D Nov 11 19:50:58 what do I have to do with git haters? Nov 11 19:51:05 i think im just gonna have to give up waiting on the maintainer to do it and fix it myself when i have some free time Nov 11 19:51:10 " - New upstream release" ? Nov 11 19:51:12 garage in this case I guess Nov 11 19:51:12 timeless_mbp: socat? eh? Nov 11 19:51:22 netcat? whatever? Nov 11 19:51:28 timeless_mbp: what are you trying to do? Nov 11 19:51:35 javispedro, http://pastie.org/1290762 Nov 11 19:51:35 Robot101: whichever Nov 11 19:51:40 i need to tunnel stuff Nov 11 19:51:46 someone gave me instructions last night (?) Nov 11 19:51:51 i'm busy Nov 11 19:52:01 is there a problem with SSL in Telepathy itself? Nov 11 19:52:33 mgedmin: theoretically it does mention RST38h and qwerty12 Nov 11 19:52:41 mgedmin: so I wonder when things went SNAFU? Nov 11 19:52:48 did things go SNAFU? Nov 11 19:52:55 ah wel.. Nov 11 19:52:59 other than the segfault on exit, I'm mostly happy with the new version Nov 11 19:53:06 except now I can't find a way to get "About FBReader" Nov 11 19:53:18 and I can't find a way to figure out the filename of the current book from vimscript Nov 11 19:53:28 state.xml no longer has it :( Nov 11 19:53:32 Robot101: UI doesn't warn of invalid SSL cert Nov 11 19:53:36 I'm afraid the info is in state.db Nov 11 19:53:39 vimscript. eek. Nov 11 19:53:46 the table structure in state.db and books.db scares me Nov 11 19:53:49 eh, it surely does - we have an error code for it Nov 11 19:54:03 * mgedmin had a nice macro to edit the current book Nov 11 19:54:10 there were lots of people running around screaming about it for the N800 Nov 11 19:54:19 we added the SSL errors to connection failure cases Nov 11 19:56:04 Robot101: sorry, real explanation is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-11-11.log.html#t2010-11-11T01:52:35 Nov 11 19:59:36 is the URL to the script missing? Nov 11 20:00:39 Robot101: http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/jabber-ssl-fix.deb Nov 11 20:00:44 meh back in here Nov 11 20:00:53 anyway, qt packaging for maemo......... Nov 11 20:01:04 is this the easiest way? http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging_Qt_Creator_Apps_for_Maemo_Extras Nov 11 20:04:30 wait, updating the device removed all my applications? Nov 11 20:05:47 yup, and then you just restore the backup you created before updating :) Nov 11 20:05:48 with flasher or nokia software upgrade? it not only removed all your applications, but also some or all of your data, depending on whether you reflashed the emmc or not. Nov 11 20:05:52 it then dloads all your apps @_ Nov 11 20:05:57 :) Nov 11 20:06:06 i did a back up, restored it, and it didnt give me my applcations back :/ Nov 11 20:06:14 i used that ovi suiete thing Nov 11 20:06:17 * Noobmonk3y looks at qt packaging guides.... and thinks, why the buggery is this so hard?!?!?! Nov 11 20:06:55 Noobmonkey:Because to make it simpler you should avoid using qmake Nov 11 20:07:02 And use makefiles directly Nov 11 20:07:18 wth Nov 11 20:07:33 is that wiki page suggesting commenting out the call to dh_strip? Nov 11 20:07:43 * javispedro hopes theres a sane reason for that... Nov 11 20:07:55 timeless_xchat: have you thought about setting your own jabber server? Nov 11 20:08:11 timeless_xchat: to test this stuff Nov 11 20:08:15 "The current Qt Creator version does not generate an application icon or application desktop file for a Qt for Maemo application by default, you have to define them manually. The complete build support is expected for the upcoming Qt Creator v2.1 that will be used in the Nokia Qt SDK in the near future. " Nov 11 20:08:19 javispedro: "Some qt library code needs the symbolic information for some esotheric reason"? Nov 11 20:08:33 meh Nov 11 20:08:34 RST38h: that would INsane reason. Nov 11 20:08:34 Noobmonk3y, look at existing qt application Nov 11 20:08:43 :| Nov 11 20:08:49 there are many and you should be able to just open one Nov 11 20:08:51 replace bits Nov 11 20:08:52 done? Nov 11 20:08:55 http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/CS001641_-_Showing_Qt_for_Maemo_applications_built_with_the_Nokia_Qt_SDK_in_the_application_menu this looks easier Nov 11 20:09:02 but probably doesnt mean packaging Nov 11 20:09:22 * Noobmonk3y thinks a nice vb app to package would be nice, or atleast collate it all ;) Nov 11 20:10:30 vb! an awk script! Nov 11 20:11:05 AREXX Nov 11 20:11:59 ;) Nov 11 20:12:11 anything to simply the "no-need" linux toughness....... Nov 11 20:12:20 i agree making it hard meanss the geeks are happy, but meh Nov 11 20:12:37 it is not hard Nov 11 20:12:40 Noobmonk3y: it is mostly boilerplate. not hard, but tedious. Nov 11 20:12:50 * Noobmonk3y reminisces of the same aqnnoyancy at pyqt packaging Nov 11 20:12:51 You have to learn it, then it becomes easy Nov 11 20:12:57 javispedro: meh good point Nov 11 20:13:07 and i'm simple, so file structures explained etc.... Nov 11 20:13:22 most of the guides are never ending lists, hard to confirm you have done it right Nov 11 20:14:33 meh Nov 11 20:16:46 btw, I can still get to the council parts of the site, I still have the council cloak.. Nov 11 20:17:00 * javispedro deduces being a council member must be a hereditary position Nov 11 20:17:18 timeless: here? Nov 11 20:18:18 all hail the Benevolent Council Member For Life Nov 11 20:18:34 lol Nov 11 20:20:34 ./j #clq Nov 11 20:21:20 yacc, leaning perl? Nov 11 20:21:25 learning even ffs Nov 11 20:22:08 lol, no never type a command into a window before checking that some chars are not already entered, ... Nov 11 20:22:39 good advice. Nov 11 20:23:11 jacekowski: no time Nov 11 20:23:15 and it's really a sideshow Nov 11 20:24:31 timeless_mbp: got my pms? Nov 11 20:24:34 err Nov 11 20:24:35 PMs Nov 11 20:24:37 PMS? Nov 11 20:24:40 pms does not sound right Nov 11 20:24:43 jacekowski: yeah :) Nov 11 20:24:45 sivang, your secret is safe with us Nov 11 20:24:50 sivang: you have a gmail account, right? Nov 11 20:24:50 i'll share the thing through to you Nov 11 20:24:51 mgedmin: hehe Nov 11 20:25:41 hi. after last enhanced linux kernel update, the camera gets "operation failed", anyone knows why or what's the fix? Nov 11 20:26:44 ioan same here Nov 11 20:27:20 I did the dumbest thing, I uninstalled the power kernel and bricked the phone Nov 11 20:27:48 cmsamour, bc of meego/uboot dualboot? Nov 11 20:28:55 is there a way to install the power kernel that works (old version)? I have a premonition that today when the camera doesn't work I'll see a UFO. Nov 11 20:29:51 hehe! Nov 11 20:30:41 I will try to flash the firmware in a sec Nov 11 20:44:35 ok, I reverted to the original kernel and now the camera works. does anyone know how to install the latest good power kernel? Nov 11 20:45:10 could telepathy in meego be used in maemo? I am hoping meego will get sip MWI support. Nov 11 20:46:05 interestingly... voxcorp didn't release their source Nov 11 20:46:15 * Robot101 will mail them Nov 11 20:46:34 Robot101: well i installed vox app, but it doesnt show MWI from my * server Nov 11 20:46:47 Robot101: i think they use freeswitch at vox corp Nov 11 20:47:08 Robot101: was there any plan of them releasing the source? Nov 11 20:55:32 I flashed the phone and everythin seems to be fine Nov 11 20:55:49 ok, on this page, which column is month and which is day?? Nov 11 20:55:51 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power/ Nov 11 20:56:17 thanks Nov 11 20:56:32 ioan: good luck with the camera problem Nov 11 20:56:45 I just reflashed the phone Nov 11 20:56:47 bye Nov 11 20:57:58 Robot101: what makes you sure they are obliged to release their source? Nov 11 20:58:37 http://gizmodo.com/382026/a-cellphones-missing-dot-kills-two-people-puts-three-more-in-jail - on risks of localisation Nov 11 20:59:10 DocScrutinizer: nicely worded about mounting on tmo. Nov 11 20:59:20 depending on particular implementation, the MWI bit could be completely unrelated to any GPL'd code, and just coexist with telepathy Nov 11 21:00:24 meh meh Nov 11 21:00:31 DocScrutinizer: i was a bit disappointed that vox-mobile is not picking up the MWI message from *. Will check with the dev. Nov 11 21:02:15 DocScrutinizer: is that a SIP Notify message, http://www.pastie.org/1290937 ? Nov 11 21:04:50 anyone here have a 770 handy? Nov 11 21:06:48 trumee: hmm, looks like a 400 error response to a INFO mwi Nov 11 21:07:13 DocScrutinizer: right Nov 11 21:09:27 timeless_mbp, why would anybody need that? Nov 11 21:09:50 well, i'm trying to get pictures for a bug report Nov 11 21:09:52 well Nov 11 21:09:54 not a bug report Nov 11 21:09:55 for slides Nov 11 21:09:58 based on a bug report Nov 11 21:11:55 Hmm, got one running OS2008. Nov 11 21:12:06 timeless, i do Nov 11 21:12:19 Arkenoi: cool Nov 11 21:12:22 one sec Nov 11 21:17:06 Arkenoi: ... Nov 11 21:17:06 1. tap people Nov 11 21:17:07 2. View Contacts Nov 11 21:17:08 3. application menu > tools > export Nov 11 21:17:25 i need a picture of the dialog you get at this point Nov 11 21:18:24 is it ok it runs os2007? Nov 11 21:20:34 (and how do i take screenshot in os2007, i never did?) Nov 11 21:22:26 no Nov 11 21:22:29 it needs to run 2006 :( Nov 11 21:22:40 the bug was fixed by 2007 Nov 11 21:23:49 osso-screenshot-tool Nov 11 21:24:08 anyone from nokia around? i need help :( Nov 11 21:27:28 what have you broken? Nov 11 21:28:44 i've lost a database Nov 11 21:28:53 everyone hated it Nov 11 21:28:56 but i need it :) Nov 11 21:33:07 help! my tracker has gone crazy. Nov 11 21:33:09 found an otr workaround for anyone else having issues with that Nov 11 21:33:12 http://sebastianbartsch.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=98#p2725 Nov 11 21:33:16 it is trying to index my workstation via NFS =) Nov 11 21:33:35 I'm quite sure I put /mnt in exclusions... Nov 11 21:33:35 javispedro: :) Nov 11 21:34:39 * javispedro 's idea lightbulb light Nov 11 21:34:40 s Nov 11 21:34:44 so Nov 11 21:34:52 why I'm sure that despite /mnt being in exclusions list Nov 11 21:35:00 how can I specify the version of the kernel-power I want to install? Nov 11 21:35:01 since tracker crawls new mount points by default Nov 11 21:35:24 /mnt/stuff gets crawled despite of /mnt being in exclusions Nov 11 21:35:44 I'd need to add /mnt/stuff to exclusion list Nov 11 21:35:53 crazy, crazy. Nov 11 21:36:06 Does the exclusion list not handle wildcards? Nov 11 21:36:24 haha tracker Nov 11 21:36:35 alterego: no idea. Nov 11 21:36:55 X-Fade, ping Nov 11 21:37:32 hmm, no Nov 11 21:37:35 What's the command that lets you setup a file as a device for mounting? Nov 11 21:37:38 * MohammadAG checks before making an idiot of himself Nov 11 21:37:46 alterego, hmm? Nov 11 21:37:56 alterego: losetup Nov 11 21:37:57 mount -o loop? Nov 11 21:38:02 Kind of like loopback mount, but my image is a whole drive, not a single filesystem/partition Nov 11 21:38:02 oh, nevermind Nov 11 21:38:09 alterego: kpartx Nov 11 21:38:16 javispedro: thanks :) Nov 11 21:38:21 kpartx that was it :D Nov 11 21:39:25 DocScrutinizer, pupnik: Any idea which of the three contacts on the BL-5J pack are + and - poles? Nov 11 21:39:52 isn't it written plain text on the battery?Ãœ` Nov 11 21:40:15 * DocScrutinizer zips out a bl-5j Nov 11 21:40:32 (+) (-) O Nov 11 21:40:41 O == BSI Nov 11 21:41:34 + == plus, obviously :-P Nov 11 21:42:29 need more info? Nov 11 21:43:51 the poles are also marked on the top side :) Nov 11 21:44:53 not here (if top side != front side) Nov 11 21:45:05 just so y'all know, flasher doesn't seem to work with Linux unknown-device 2.6.36-2-generic-pae #7-Ubuntu SMP Thu Oct 21 22:15:17 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux on Ubuntu, it has some sort of kernel error. works fin with 2.6.36-1-generic-pae though Nov 11 21:45:17 btw how much mA can the device provide in hostmode? is there an limiter or fuse? ... Nov 11 21:45:44 200 Nov 11 21:45:55 limited Nov 11 21:46:03 * javispedro ponders Nov 11 21:46:04 hum Nov 11 21:46:16 why is shm support disabled in the n900's pulseaudio? Nov 11 21:46:22 >200 bq24150 throws error and stops boost mode Nov 11 21:46:25 ok, i need people to help me w/ my presentation Nov 11 21:46:32 my computer has it enabled, the pre has it enabled... Nov 11 21:47:12 * javispedro goes enable it, what's the worst that could happen Nov 11 21:50:08 defcon 1 Nov 11 21:50:49 world war 3? Nov 11 21:52:27 someone said ww3 was supposed to start today or smth Nov 11 21:53:09 either way, this shm pulseaudio stuff did nothing. i guess that's because the daemon and apps run as different user Nov 11 21:53:32 You just need to monitor these freq. http://www.milaircomms.com/ghfs.html . If there is much activity, something is happening and UVB-76 of course. Nov 11 21:55:58 hrm Nov 11 21:56:01 so... Nov 11 21:56:08 how do i find an old image? Nov 11 21:56:23 an old what? Nov 11 21:59:58 DocScrutinizer, right it's on the battery front side, sorry for the bother. Nov 11 22:00:48 np Nov 11 22:05:57 I just flashed my device and it doesn't boot up. it shows the nokia logo, then the sceen light goes off, then it comes back on, I see the dots, but then I get like an error sound and it turns off... any suggestions Nov 11 22:06:12 *rootfs flash Nov 11 22:06:24 battery is low Nov 11 22:06:26 maybe Nov 11 22:06:42 it's plugged in :( Nov 11 22:06:57 and it seems to be in a loop :( Nov 11 22:07:07 Oh, reflash then Nov 11 22:07:16 i did, twice :)) Nov 11 22:07:29 emmc aswell? :P Nov 11 22:07:32 redownloaded the .bin, maybe it wasn't downloaded corectly Nov 11 22:07:33 reflash emmc + rootfs from some other computer Nov 11 22:07:48 nope, not the emmc Nov 11 22:07:49 Maybe a kernel, kernel modules mismatch. Nov 11 22:08:00 ~pr1.3 Nov 11 22:08:03 from memory, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update Nov 11 22:08:28 DocScrutinizer: i'm just looking at it Nov 11 22:08:35 can pr1.3 be installed OTA at all? Nov 11 22:08:39 DocScrutinizer: and i may have been wrong about boot process Nov 11 22:08:45 DocScrutinizer: it looks like it's 4 stage Nov 11 22:09:03 DocScrutinizer: rom -> nokia x-loader -> nolo xldr -> nolo scnd Nov 11 22:09:21 or hmmm Nov 11 22:09:23 nvm Nov 11 22:09:27 it may be something else Nov 11 22:09:35 So after pr1.3 it's meego time? Nov 11 22:10:03 there is no meego. Nov 11 22:10:07 the cake is a lie. Nov 11 22:11:49 I have seen that kernel-power has patched radio-bcm2048 to support rds data. Does an app already make use of it? Nov 11 22:13:59 didn't it work since ages? Nov 11 22:14:15 I guess it's not rds but rather tmc Nov 11 22:14:21 which was news not long ago Nov 11 22:14:24 well I used the redownloaded image and it now works, thanks for your help :) Nov 11 22:14:27 rds has been since forever Nov 11 22:14:47 :nod: Nov 11 22:15:32 http://git.kernelconcepts.de/?p=rdstmc.git;a=blob;f=driver-n900/radio-bcm2048-2.6.28.diff;h=d60ada5a4cd664bff10682db4a76cca915c66dd1;hb=master <- It says RDS, but I don't know for sure. Nov 11 22:15:42 tmc, tmc, tmc! Nov 11 22:17:06 DocScrutinizer: thanks Nov 11 22:32:48 javispedro: yes tmc as well. however the readme says: "Patch to enable V4L compliant RDS data output on Nokia N900, comes through /dev/radio1 (/dev/radio0 is the FM transmitter)." Nov 11 22:35:49 hello Nov 11 22:36:10 DocScrutinizer: nvm, nolo 2nd is just a temporary bootloader for coldflashing Nov 11 22:36:47 so i updated my n900 today, and now fMMS has stoped working, i can no longer revieve photo-texts Nov 11 22:38:10 I have a question about using unprotected wifi. When I open the media player I see the person's computer's name and click on it and it does nothing. Can they look at or take files from my n900? Nov 11 22:39:34 people can look at the data transmitted over the air in an unprotected wifi network Nov 11 22:40:09 irlame: that's just upnp you see there Nov 11 22:40:19 irlame: it's enabled by default by no files are shared by default Nov 11 22:43:15 hi Nov 11 22:43:44 just ordered my N900, can't wait to hold it on my hands... Nov 11 22:44:13 one question, is maemo development going to die or somehow integrated with Meego ? Nov 11 22:45:14 there's not going to be an official meego image for the N900 Nov 11 22:45:29 and Nokia most likely will not release any updated Maemo 5 versions Nov 11 22:45:42 there's some level of community support Nov 11 22:46:03 Thanks iDont did you mean to say "but no files are shared"? Nov 11 22:46:40 oh well, the one thing I want to try, is a web2py ( www.web2py.com ) version Nov 11 22:47:00 do you see a reason why shouldn't I go with this? Nov 11 23:17:40 ey cool lcuk starred in UX meets code videos Nov 11 23:27:27 * javispedro writes pathetic gesture recognition algorithm Nov 11 23:28:05 For use with fapman? Nov 11 23:28:22 fapman requies pathetic gestures? :) Nov 11 23:28:52 the sort of algorithm that only considers start->end points Nov 11 23:35:30 javispedro: finally lots of youtube videos about PreenV Nov 11 23:35:42 yeah Nov 11 23:36:08 surprising and nice that some of the games rescale correctly Nov 11 23:37:08 zehjotkah is doing a nice job blogging about n900 in german Nov 11 23:37:44 wb merlin_1991 Nov 11 23:38:24 thx :D Nov 11 23:38:50 for some reason freenode keeps disconnecting Nov 11 23:40:32 hi guys Nov 11 23:40:41 MohammadAG: hey :) Nov 11 23:40:53 hi Nov 11 23:41:27 what's up? Nov 11 23:42:08 MohammadAG: for some reason, my N900 did not start pulseaudio on startup... I had to do 'start pulseaudio' Nov 11 23:42:49 hmm, and that worked? Nov 11 23:43:28 yes Nov 11 23:44:00 MohammadAG, I've had twice also the problem that pulse audio did not work. The first time I have no idea if pulse was dead or just not working but second time I checked and pulseaudio was not there. Nov 11 23:44:03 I encountered pulseaudio not starting Nov 11 23:44:17 but starting it always failed Nov 11 23:44:23 anyway, I have not seen this before Nov 11 23:44:38 MohammadAG, the first time it also did not start. The second time a start pulseaudio did fix the issue. Nov 11 23:44:39 merlin_1991: i have not experienced any problems, my host is bartol.freenode.net[193.107.206.21/6667] Nov 11 23:44:49 atm, I'm on power45 after a reflash, and i haven't had it Nov 11 23:45:06 power45? Nov 11 23:45:09 hmm Nov 11 23:45:10 heh Nov 11 23:45:30 * timeless_mbp sighs Nov 11 23:45:35 does anybody here have possibly link to that n900 u-boot Nov 11 23:45:36 * timeless_mbp needs a picture of a folder Nov 11 23:45:49 i'm happy to see that nokia was offering a position for a PA developer Nov 11 23:45:55 MohammadAG: what is power45? Nov 11 23:45:56 hey. someone was asking me about md5sums of libstdc++ Nov 11 23:46:06 i was right, we do prelink the fiasco images Nov 11 23:46:09 kernel-power Nov 11 23:46:10 timeless_mbp: http://www.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&source=imghp&biw=1600&bih=681&q=folder&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= Nov 11 23:46:13 version 45 Nov 11 23:46:26 but we don't (can't iusefully) do that for OTA Nov 11 23:46:40 jacekowski: i need a picture of /etc/osso-af-defines/ Nov 11 23:47:00 pupnik_: PA? Nov 11 23:47:03 MohammadAG: oh, ok Nov 11 23:47:08 timeless_mbp: picture? Nov 11 23:47:23 uuhh, netsplit? Nov 11 23:48:23 pulseaudio andax Nov 11 23:48:44 btw, does anybody know how to tell the n900' syslog daemon that I do not want it to buffer messages just in case "they were repeated N times"? Nov 11 23:48:45 pupnik_: ok Nov 11 23:50:16 * javispedro just randomizes the message contents, I do not want to read sysklogd source code now... Nov 12 00:02:56 Append - to the entry?? Nov 12 00:03:00 Something like that Nov 12 00:04:05 hmm Nov 12 00:04:07 maybe not Nov 12 00:05:20 good evening guys Nov 12 00:10:54 hmmmm Nov 12 00:11:08 i managed to change NOKIA text on boot up Nov 12 00:11:10 from NOLO Nov 12 00:11:21 so i can modify nolo Nov 12 00:12:38 Woo Nov 12 00:12:42 Woo! Nov 12 00:12:45 Wait, what? Nov 12 00:12:47 woo Nov 12 00:12:50 The image? Nov 12 00:12:53 Can you make it say 'Main screen turn on' ? Nov 12 00:13:33 My gf just dropped my netbook on her face. Nov 12 00:13:44 SpeedEvil: nope Nov 12 00:13:45 Is that a euphamism? Nov 12 00:14:03 at the moment i just modified it by changing random bytes there Nov 12 00:14:04 DocScrutinizer: its very clearly a modified telepathy-sofiasip binary - it even has the same COPYING, AUTHORS and README file :P Nov 12 00:14:11 i don't understand format of that picture Nov 12 00:14:24 DocScrutinizer: so I'm gonna send them a polite mail as I couldn't find the source (to that bit) on their website Nov 12 00:14:49 jacekowski: do you know how big it is? Nov 12 00:14:53 What would NOLO changing do? Allow better low battery behaviour? Nov 12 00:15:00 alterego: yes Nov 12 00:15:07 SpeedEvil: flash uboot there Nov 12 00:15:10 If it's compreessed I bet it's a png, and there should be a header Nov 12 00:15:13 ah Nov 12 00:15:29 alterego: this is nokia. Nov 12 00:15:31 How big is it then? Nov 12 00:15:34 alterego: It's probably SVG Nov 12 00:15:47 SVG in a boot loader? :P Nov 12 00:15:55 wait a sec Nov 12 00:15:59 i can give you a copy Nov 12 00:16:05 You know it makes sense - it allows for easy change of resolution. Nov 12 00:19:54 andax: I'm getting connection reset by peer all the time, while my connection to quakenet stays stable Nov 12 00:22:11 SpeedEvil: but nolo is custom built for specific hardware revisions. Nov 12 00:22:15 ok so pictures are here http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/nolo/ Nov 12 00:22:26 alterego: not really Nov 12 00:22:29 alterego: i checked Nov 12 00:22:48 definitely compressed then :) Nov 12 00:22:58 alterego: there is no differences at all that could affect stuff Nov 12 00:23:32 jacekowski: didn't say there was, just merely that's how it worked. Nov 12 00:23:33 picture 1 is the one that say NOKIA Nov 12 00:26:15 it doesn't look like it's compressed Nov 12 00:27:26 what's picture 2 and 3? Nov 12 00:27:46 dunno Nov 12 00:28:02 i know that changing random bytes in first one changed logo Nov 12 00:28:14 hmm Nov 12 00:28:16 to what? lol Nov 12 00:28:25 just got messed up Nov 12 00:29:19 but based on entropy it looks like it's not compressed Nov 12 00:30:23 4.005:1, 1.998 bits/byte, 75.03% saved, 6656 in, 1662 out. Nov 12 00:30:29 1.909:1, 4.190 bits/byte, 47.63% saved, 3964 in, 2076 out. Nov 12 00:30:38 1.209:1, 6.615 bits/byte, 17.31% saved, 1092 in, 903 out. Nov 12 00:30:43 maybe it's a bitmap just describing the text. Nov 12 00:30:44 so it's compressible Nov 12 00:31:19 When you played with it, was there still a normal white background? Nov 12 00:31:27 And just the text was messed up? Nov 12 00:31:34 yes Nov 12 00:31:46 let me swap them Nov 12 00:31:50 and see what happens Nov 12 00:32:54 MohammadAG is soo mean: http://i55.tinypic.com/29ut2md.jpg XD Nov 12 00:33:20 at least it's in C instead of python now :P Nov 12 00:33:38 yea, i'll give you a +1 for that XD Nov 12 00:34:20 "Over 1,200 Dhrystone MIPS using the superscalar ARM Cortex-A8" 2.2 GHz p4 has 4148 : http://www.tahi.org/lcna/docs/cpu-performance/processor.html Nov 12 00:35:26 correction Nov 12 00:35:35 2nd picture is NOKIA logo thing Nov 12 00:35:57 and it looks like a bitmap thing Nov 12 00:38:35 the NOKIA logo is available as a PNG on device afaik Nov 12 00:38:37 not sure where Nov 12 00:38:55 /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable Nov 12 00:38:57 replacing it changes the shutdown image Nov 12 00:39:01 afaicr Nov 12 00:40:03 right Nov 12 00:40:09 startup_nokia_logo.png Nov 12 00:40:33 writing 00000's at logo location makes everything white Nov 12 00:40:53 except small usb symbol in corner Nov 12 00:41:29 jacekowski, compare the image above to the ones you got Nov 12 00:41:35 hmm I installed PR 1.3 and now nothing shows up in my program manager :\ Nov 12 00:41:35 it's probably the same image Nov 12 00:41:42 MohammadAG: look at link i pasted Nov 12 00:41:48 http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/nolo/ Nov 12 00:41:51 USB logo and 770 icon (R&D) are layers Nov 12 00:42:33 I wrote this: http://www.pastie.org/1291444 Nov 12 00:42:38 last night because in dark in bed the keypad and backlight min brightness is stiill too bright :D Nov 12 00:43:12 mce shall interfere Nov 12 00:43:20 It does a bit Nov 12 00:43:30 But with sustained use it's fine Nov 12 00:43:42 stop mce Nov 12 00:43:45 and you're done Nov 12 00:44:01 alterego: I have that - well - a similar one - set on a 'queen beecon' Nov 12 00:44:50 also, I found a better way Nov 12 00:45:00 lock the screen and sleep, it's what beds are for :P Nov 12 00:45:25 I find the n900 ideal - better than a kindle - for reading books before going to sleep. Nov 12 00:45:26 :P Nov 12 00:45:40 with kindle I need to screw with the light to get the right lighting level Nov 12 00:45:59 Yeah, induces eye strain earlier making you more fatigued ^.^ Nov 12 00:46:12 I personally don't find it a problem Nov 12 00:46:21 even reading large amounts - whole books Nov 12 00:46:27 * MohammadAG fries backlight, passes device to alterego Nov 12 00:48:48 who knows anything about n900 uboot Nov 12 00:49:01 MohammadAG: I was playing (fixing actually) an N8 for a friend the other day. Nov 12 00:49:06 Kinda want one :( Nov 12 00:49:16 jacekowski: I know a bit Nov 12 00:49:16 jacekowski, ali1234 on #meego Nov 12 00:49:23 he ported it Nov 12 00:49:33 he's not there atm Nov 12 00:49:50 alterego, it's a cool device when it works Nov 12 00:49:53 I think I've fixed the ssh blocking issue in meego Nov 12 00:50:16 alterego, this didn't work on Symbian^3 FYI http://gitorious.org/qtbrowser/qtbrowser Nov 12 00:50:31 MohammadAG: I kept finding I was pressing the space around dialogs to dismiss/close/cancel them and getting a bit frustrated :( Nov 12 00:51:03 you have to press cancel xD Nov 12 00:51:03 MohammadAG: any reason for it? Nov 12 00:51:15 alterego, no idea, no debugging on symbian Nov 12 00:51:20 I know, it's a pain in the ass Nov 12 00:51:26 other than TRK Nov 12 00:51:32 Oh, that's lame Nov 12 00:51:40 indeed Nov 12 00:51:46 you can only test over USB Nov 12 00:51:46 shit Nov 12 00:51:48 battery low Nov 12 00:51:55 How does it not work? Nov 12 00:52:03 Is anything shown? Nov 12 00:52:42 yes, the UI buttons Nov 12 00:52:53 and the QProgressBar Nov 12 00:53:04 QWebView doesn't display the page at all Nov 12 00:53:15 however, it seems to load it Nov 12 00:53:27 Interesting Nov 12 00:54:27 the progress bar moves from 10 -> 100, then it's hidden, meaning the signal for loading finished was sent Nov 12 00:54:34 but QWebView remains white Nov 12 01:04:08 anyone got google contacts with mail for exchange working? Nov 12 01:09:58 Ah, some late night t.m.o-ary Nov 12 01:14:16 g'night folks Nov 12 01:44:49 omg Nov 12 01:44:59 ponies? Nov 12 01:45:22 irc still very alive Nov 12 01:45:32 :) Nov 12 01:45:34 im glad Nov 12 01:46:17 unicorns? Nov 12 01:49:22 does anyone know if is there a way to me disable that vibra thing when receive something from conversations (jabber or skipe& Nov 12 01:49:27 ? Nov 12 01:51:34 does skype have file sending? Nov 12 01:51:56 does it send pictures? Nov 12 01:52:48 so does skype offer file sending to contacts? Nov 12 01:53:03 do you know mvax ? Nov 12 01:56:21 how is skype with you mvax ? Nov 12 01:57:18 does it send files to contact on n900? Nov 12 01:57:35 no Nov 12 01:57:52 i mail it when i need, cannot get that plugin in extras-devel working Nov 12 01:58:48 it send files on n97 Nov 12 02:00:54 yes :/ Nov 12 02:01:15 i got wrecked boot last morning with that power kernel upgrade Nov 12 02:01:27 yeah me too Nov 12 02:01:34 are you using 44? Nov 12 02:01:51 40 Nov 12 02:02:09 44 supports U-boot for meeGo Nov 12 02:02:13 does 44 working fine to u? Nov 12 02:02:31 yes it does unless you have multiboot installed Nov 12 02:02:40 there is a way round for that Nov 12 02:02:58 am using it now Nov 12 02:03:52 did you flesh whole firmware or just kernel? Nov 12 02:04:38 Flashed only kernel Nov 12 02:04:47 I didnt do it Nov 12 02:05:02 I just installed it from app manager Nov 12 02:06:42 i will taste meego this weekend Nov 12 02:06:48 during the week its hard to me Nov 12 02:07:55 what about webOS Nov 12 02:08:01 ahve u ever tried it in n900: Nov 12 02:08:04 ? Nov 12 02:08:19 have* Nov 12 02:14:41 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho6Yhz21BJI - this would be fun to implement on the N900 with video-out to a tv :) Nov 12 02:15:11 Imagine the games you could make with it Nov 12 02:15:36 lcuk ^ :) Nov 12 02:19:54 b-man`: how is the camera recognizing the hands? Nov 12 02:20:09 is he using LEDs or something to click? Nov 12 02:20:33 one question please guys Nov 12 02:20:48 how can I check my firmware version on n900? Nov 12 02:20:59 or which kernel am using? Nov 12 02:21:16 pupnik_: i'm reading into it right now Nov 12 02:21:16 uname -a from shell will give you kernel info lolloo Nov 12 02:22:05 http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1385640 looks like LEDs were used Nov 12 02:22:24 this is what I got Nov 12 02:22:28 Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10power44 #1 PREEMPT Wed Nov 10 15:18:00 EET 2010 armv7l unknown Nov 12 02:22:38 oh no... something difference Nov 12 02:22:39 pupnik_: http://tisch.sourceforge.net/#intro Nov 12 02:23:27 wow multitouch Nov 12 02:23:37 via camera :) Nov 12 02:23:51 and shadow tracking Nov 12 02:24:20 this would be cool for an interactive game on the N900 Nov 12 02:24:24 wow can N900 do same as Iphone multitouch? Nov 12 02:24:39 with this, perhaps :) Nov 12 02:24:44 awesome Nov 12 02:25:44 if he's recognizing hands just by the shape of shadows, that is worth a PhD Nov 12 02:26:55 i'm waiting for the next killer app Nov 12 02:27:01 language translation from camera images Nov 12 02:27:20 take snapshot of restaurant menu: see translation Nov 12 02:27:42 pupnik_: maybe you could rig up an algorithm that uses this software ;) Nov 12 02:28:10 since it tracks shadows Nov 12 02:28:20 you could draw letters xD Nov 12 02:28:27 lardman's app identifies qr codes Nov 12 02:44:22 Add voice recognition and translation Nov 12 02:44:25 :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Nov 12 02:59:57 2010