**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 13 02:59:57 2010
Nov 13 03:23:45 * luke-jr has never seen anyone else with a Zaurus, NIT, or OpenMoko
Nov 13 03:23:54 <luke-jr> not even at LUG meetings
Nov 13 03:24:53 <luke-jr> actually, I *might* have seen someone with a tall-form-factor Zaurus at a SCOSUG meeting about a decade ago
Nov 13 03:26:31 <Sargun_Screen> luke-jr: where do you live
Nov 13 03:31:53 <miststlkr> hello all.   Just picked up an n800 last night and started messing around with it, I am getting asked for a password for the default user.  when I look online I saw a few places where they mention that the default password "is well known" but apparently it was too obvious to mention. Help??
Nov 13 04:06:38 <kd926> does anyone know where i can find the canola2 source code or repository?
Nov 13 04:11:00 <lolloo> what does canola do?
Nov 13 04:12:04 <kd926> its a very polished media player
Nov 13 04:12:16 <kd926> good for touchscreens, tablets, phones, ect
Nov 13 04:16:51 <lolloo> awesome kd926
Nov 13 04:17:07 <lolloo> how can I install it please?
Nov 13 04:18:51 <kd926> what kind of system?
Nov 13 04:19:17 <lolloo> N900 maemo
Nov 13 04:19:42 <DocScrutinizer> I *hate* it, but that's just me
Nov 13 04:20:13 <DocScrutinizer> it's so... windowish
Nov 13 04:20:41 <DocScrutinizer> every single UI standard has been modified and redefined
Nov 13 04:21:40 <lolloo> oh really
Nov 13 04:21:40 <DocScrutinizer> it's not even showing proper systray, just a fake version only consisting of a battery and GSM signal icon
Nov 13 04:21:58 <DocScrutinizer> (btw much like ovi maps :-P )
Nov 13 04:22:07 <lolloo> hehehe
Nov 13 04:23:06 <kd926> DocScrutinizer: if you know of a cleaner looking media player for larger touchscreens i'm open to suggestions
Nov 13 04:23:13 <DocScrutinizer> and iirc I nor even found a 'normal' way to close the app
Nov 13 04:23:28 <DocScrutinizer> kd926: alas not
Nov 13 04:23:29 <kd926> I had intentions of digging deep into source to make things work as they should
Nov 13 04:23:59 <DocScrutinizer> hey, much appreciated. If you're done with it, I'll give it another try maybe
Nov 13 04:24:19 <DocScrutinizer> there are lots of great bits in canola
Nov 13 04:24:28 <kd926> only issue right now is the source is nowhere to be found
Nov 13 04:24:34 <lolloo> yes kd926 is looking for source
Nov 13 04:24:52 <kd926> its supposed to be at code.openbossa.org -- host is offline
Nov 13 04:24:56 <DocScrutinizer> sourceforge? or similar?
Nov 13 04:25:28 <kd926> it was originally closed source, then it was rewritten in python but its disappeared somehow
Nov 13 04:25:39 <DocScrutinizer> :-/
Nov 13 04:26:00 <DocScrutinizer> isn't it in extras?
Nov 13 04:26:09 <kd926> tarballs are easily found but they need python2.5 and some things my gentoo system has deprecated at that version
Nov 13 05:09:43 <luke-jr> Sargun_Screen: I have lived in Connecticut, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, and now Florida.
Nov 13 05:13:10 <GAN900> luke-jr, welcome to the Sunshine State.
Nov 13 05:13:23 <luke-jr> GAN900: you live here?
Nov 13 05:13:27 <luke-jr> freaking cold lately :/
Nov 13 05:13:31 <GAN900> luke-jr, St. Pete
Nov 13 05:13:37 <GAN900> Yes, yes it has been
Nov 13 05:14:04 <luke-jr> no idea where that is, other than that SLUG or whatever has a meeting there
Nov 13 05:14:04 <GAN900> Record highs week before, record lows this past week.
Nov 13 05:14:20 <GAN900> luke-jr, the peninsula part of the Tampa Bay area.
Nov 13 05:14:31 <luke-jr> near Clearwater or whatever it's called?
Nov 13 05:14:50 * luke-jr 's computer too slow to open a map
Nov 13 05:14:55 <GAN900> Yeah, just a few minutes south.
Nov 13 05:15:18 <luke-jr> I might be going there for a dentist sometimes. maybe we can meet up.
Nov 13 05:16:07 <GAN900> Not many Maemo people around here.
Nov 13 05:16:09 <luke-jr> a bit far, so maybe not if I can find someone closer that doesn't use mercury
Nov 13 05:16:52 <luke-jr> I'm over north-east of you in Dade City
Nov 13 05:16:57 <luke-jr> or rather, outside Dade
Nov 13 05:17:29 <luke-jr> about halfway to Brooksville I think
Nov 13 05:20:01 <DocScrutinizer> hey luke-jr, how's life?
Nov 13 05:20:45 <DocScrutinizer> lo GAN900
Nov 13 05:20:54 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: Imagine an egg falling rapidly toward pavement.
Nov 13 05:21:08 <GAN900> luke-jr, lotta land out there.
Nov 13 05:21:10 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: then imagine the pavement suddenly moving further downward, at unknown rates
Nov 13 05:21:14 <GAN900> Real Florida country.
Nov 13 05:21:23 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
Nov 13 05:21:28 <DocScrutinizer> sounds familiar
Nov 13 05:21:36 <luke-jr> GAN900: most of it expensive, it seems
Nov 13 05:22:06 <GAN900> luke-jr, that's where most of the people down here who can afford it keep ranches and weekend houses.
Nov 13 05:22:27 <luke-jr> lol
Nov 13 05:23:25 <luke-jr> why not just stay up here all the time?
Nov 13 05:24:57 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: why did you fire that rocket?
Nov 13 05:25:18 <DocScrutinizer> you really could've announced it
Nov 13 05:26:58 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: ?
Nov 13 05:27:20 <DocScrutinizer> wasn't that you? :-D
Nov 13 05:27:25 <luke-jr> ⁇?
Nov 13 05:27:44 <MohammadAG51> guten morgen
Nov 13 05:28:09 <lolloo> gutten tag
Nov 13 05:28:23 * luke-jr slaps a name tag on lolloo
Nov 13 05:28:34 <lolloo> hehehe
Nov 13 05:28:38 <DocScrutinizer> http://news.discovery.com/space/mystery-rocket-launched-off-californian-coast.html
Nov 13 05:28:38 <lolloo> gross got
Nov 13 05:28:48 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: oh crap, someone noticed that?
Nov 13 05:28:58 <DocScrutinizer> well, seems it's been a bit away from your home
Nov 13 05:33:27 <MohammadAG51> I like how people appreciate time differences on skype
Nov 13 05:33:38 <GAN900> luke-jr, jobs are mostly all down here. ;)
Nov 13 05:33:53 <luke-jr> GAN900: oh.
Nov 13 05:34:00 * luke-jr doesn't do office jobs
Nov 13 05:35:32 <luke-jr> oh well, Eastern time sucks
Nov 13 05:35:34 <luke-jr> night
Nov 13 05:41:17 <lolloo> so can you please direct me to best pdf reader on N900?
Nov 13 05:43:38 <lolloo> yeah guys?
Nov 13 05:49:50 <lolloo> so best pdf reader is....
Nov 13 05:50:25 <chx> google docs :D
Nov 13 05:50:40 <lolloo> on N900?
Nov 13 06:12:14 <ptl> evince
Nov 13 06:12:19 <ptl> I use(d) it on the N900
Nov 13 06:24:26 <lolloo> awesome ptl
Nov 13 06:24:41 <lolloo> othe recommendations?
Nov 13 06:39:42 <TermanaDesire> Good morning
Nov 13 06:56:05 * slonopotamus wonders why nickserv says "You are now identified FOR $nickname", not AS $nickname
Nov 13 07:02:02 <TermanaDesire> slonopotamus: because you identify to an account
Nov 13 07:02:42 <TermanaDesire> Eg. When I identify for this nickname it still tells me I identified for my original nickname
Nov 13 07:03:54 <slonopotamus> TermanaDesire: to or for? :)
Nov 13 07:04:06 <TermanaDesire> You get identified for that nickname and all grouped nicknames. FOR
Nov 13 07:05:12 <slonopotamus> oh, grouped nicknames. okay.
Nov 13 07:09:30 <slonopotamus> hrw|gone: joining in "gone" state is kinda strange.
Nov 13 07:10:43 <slonopotamus> oh, let's try once again :) anyone knows what the heck is stored in diablo-kernel orig.tar.gz?
Nov 13 09:27:02 <RobbieThe1st> Hello all
Nov 13 09:35:14 <Afteris> hey
Nov 13 09:37:13 <Bluewind> that powertop output looks a bit strange. imho there are way too many wakeups from the kernel and gp(what's that?). I ran it using ssh over wifi http://paste.xinu.at/NJjhE/
Nov 13 09:37:57 <Bluewind> I'm using kernel-power and overclocked to 1ghz
Nov 13 09:41:45 <Bluewind> sample interval of powertop is the default 30 sec
Nov 13 10:34:34 <MohammadAG> is there a way to crack an MMC's password?
Nov 13 10:35:33 <alterego> not as far as I know, you mean the symbian protection?
Nov 13 10:35:50 <MohammadAG> yes
Nov 13 10:35:58 <MohammadAG> I put my card in my uncle
Nov 13 10:36:01 <MohammadAG> err
Nov 13 10:36:02 <alterego> Don't think so
Nov 13 10:36:05 <alterego> Hahah
Nov 13 10:36:07 <MohammadAG> uncle's N95...
Nov 13 10:36:11 <joga> wrong slot!
Nov 13 10:36:13 <joga> ;)
Nov 13 10:36:15 <MohammadAG> he felt like locking it
Nov 13 10:36:46 * lcuk giggles
Nov 13 10:37:46 <alterego> So who wants to buy me plane tickets to dublin and let me sleep on their floor? :)
Nov 13 10:38:08 <alterego> In return I'll be their bitch forever
Nov 13 10:38:25 * MohammadAG buys alterego some tickets
Nov 13 10:38:25 <lcuk> alterego, you are near Cambridge aren't you?
Nov 13 10:38:37 <alterego> lcuk: in Cambridge yeah
Nov 13 10:38:47 <alterego> Well, just outside
Nov 13 10:39:01 <MohammadAG> can't you drive to dublin?
Nov 13 10:39:11 <lcuk> theres a bit of a puddle in the way
Nov 13 10:39:13 <alterego> If I could drive, and had a car :P
Nov 13 10:39:26 <MohammadAG> you don't have a license?
Nov 13 10:39:42 <lcuk> i bet he could wave his c++ license :P
Nov 13 10:39:53 <alterego> Neah, never really needed one.
Nov 13 10:39:53 <Termana> :P
Nov 13 10:39:57 * MohammadAG introduces alterego to the world of photoshop
Nov 13 10:40:03 <alterego> Hahah
Nov 13 10:40:09 <MohammadAG> now you have one
Nov 13 10:40:42 <alterego> tbh, I only wanna go to get my goodie bag and do a Qt cert :D
Nov 13 10:41:00 <MohammadAG> http://i52.tinypic.com/jr41lj.jpg awesome cable, my classmate gave it to me for hostmode :D
Nov 13 10:41:33 <Termana> MohammadAG, you could almost sell that as authentic :P
Nov 13 10:41:49 <MohammadAG> Termana: it is authentic :P
Nov 13 10:41:58 <MohammadAG> but not popular
Nov 13 10:41:58 <Termana> oh.
Nov 13 10:42:01 <Termana> :P
Nov 13 10:42:08 <MohammadAG> I never knew about it till toay
Nov 13 10:42:10 <MohammadAG> today*
Nov 13 10:42:11 <alterego> That's cute
Nov 13 10:42:16 <RobbieThe1st> are you sure it's not just a nokia knock-off? I've seen em on eBay quite a bit
Nov 13 10:42:29 <RobbieThe1st> I bought one, but it hasn't arrived yet
Nov 13 10:42:34 <MohammadAG> http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/memory-cards-and-cables/cables/nokia-connectivity-cable-ca-101d
Nov 13 10:42:58 <MohammadAG> it comes with E66s apparently
Nov 13 10:43:00 <RobbieThe1st> Cool
Nov 13 10:45:04 <alterego> I guess that's a no then :d
Nov 13 10:45:33 <MohammadAG> weird, it doesn't it's compatible with the N900, but then again, it's nokia.com :P
Nov 13 10:46:00 <alterego> Heh
Nov 13 10:46:01 <lcuk> alterego, I would get you a ticket if I could, you have been hacking on qt and qml more than others openly and I have really enjoyed watching your cool stuff emerge
Nov 13 10:46:18 <alterego> lcuk: thanks :)
Nov 13 10:46:47 <alterego> It's a shame because it's going to be the last semi maemo conf, and I've never managed to go to one.
Nov 13 10:46:59 <MohammadAG> you are not alone :P
Nov 13 10:47:15 <lcuk> you should have requested sponsorship from the meego organisers at the time :(
Nov 13 10:47:44 <alterego> I did, but I f'd up and didn't do the form properly :S
Nov 13 10:47:46 <MohammadAG> alterego: we could crash next year's event with Maemo 5, don't feel sad about it :P
Nov 13 10:47:53 <alterego> Heh
Nov 13 10:48:19 <MohammadAG> or seriously, we could organize a community event, it doesn't have to be Nokia/Intel's :)
Nov 13 10:48:21 * lcuk would be pleased to see hildon emerge within meego :)
Nov 13 10:48:30 <alterego> If I was more organised I could have come up with the funds by getting my free upgrade and selling an N8
Nov 13 10:48:34 <RST38h> Next year, there is hopefully going to be a Harmattan device at least
Nov 13 10:48:45 <alterego> Yeah
Nov 13 10:48:47 <RST38h> Which will be Meego at least in the name. And do not forget Meego 1.2 on N900
Nov 13 10:48:58 <MohammadAG> 1.5*
Nov 13 10:49:09 <RST38h> So, nothing to be self pitiful about
Nov 13 10:49:15 <MohammadAG> RST38h: patched xchat? :)
Nov 13 10:49:34 <RST38h> Mohammad: Not yet, did some contract work until 2am
Nov 13 10:49:39 <alterego> Me and a friend were thinking of doing a London or Cambridge meetup early next year
Nov 13 10:50:04 <MohammadAG> alterego: why london and not israel?
Nov 13 10:50:04 <RST38h> Mohammad: I will have to find the proper spot (again), and it is not guaranteed that this will work
Nov 13 10:50:05 <MohammadAG> :P
Nov 13 10:50:24 <alterego> MohammadAG: cheaper for me, obviously :P
Nov 13 10:50:24 <MohammadAG> RST38h: it wokrs for me, I pm'd you the patch
Nov 13 10:50:35 <MohammadAG> alterego: not for me, obviously :P
Nov 13 10:50:40 <RST38h> Mohammad: Really? Have not seen it. Checking.
Nov 13 10:51:02 <RST38h> Mohammad: Nope, no message on tmo
Nov 13 10:51:18 <MohammadAG> RST38h: here on IRC
Nov 13 10:51:30 <MohammadAG> http://i55.tinypic.com/33m1r8p.jpg see? it works :)
Nov 13 10:52:03 <RST38h> =)
Nov 13 10:52:17 <RST38h> I am often not here (you see my 'screen' runnign basically)
Nov 13 10:52:37 <RST38h> BUT, if you email the patch or send it as tmo pm, I will integrate it by monday
Nov 13 10:52:41 <alterego> RST38h: same, I'm always on, but it's just screen :D
Nov 13 10:53:12 <MohammadAG> same, but my bouncer saves buffers :P
Nov 13 10:53:12 <Noobmonk3y> anyone got any ideas about this error? http://bit.ly/cfrNwR
Nov 13 10:53:13 <alterego> I idle on the sever messages channel so I don't miss highlights when I'm afs
Nov 13 10:53:16 <Noobmonk3y> morning alls :)
Nov 13 10:53:32 <alterego> Hey Noobmonk3y ;)
Nov 13 10:53:41 <RST38h> Noob: package download failed
Nov 13 10:53:52 <alterego> I like typing noob and using auto complete ...
Nov 13 10:54:02 <Noobmonk3y> hehehe :)
Nov 13 10:54:03 <RST38h> For reasons unknown. If you want to see the details, check "Log" option in the HAM menu or (better) do apt-get install maecount
Nov 13 10:54:06 <MohammadAG> RST38h: found it! http://pastebin.com/ECnNR7zB
Nov 13 10:54:13 <Noobmonk3y> its a satisfying experience that i rarely get to do ;)
Nov 13 10:54:25 <RST38h> Mohammad: Aha, saving =)
Nov 13 10:54:27 <Noobmonk3y> thanks RST38h
Nov 13 10:55:05 <Noobmonk3y> it's saying size mismatch
Nov 13 10:55:12 <MohammadAG> update repos
Nov 13 10:55:18 <MohammadAG> apt-get update
Nov 13 10:55:24 <Noobmonk3y> okies
Nov 13 10:55:37 <Noobmonk3y> still the same
Nov 13 10:55:50 <MohammadAG> that went fast...
Nov 13 10:55:52 <RST38h> then the package is broken
Nov 13 10:55:57 <RST38h> report it to X-Fade just in case
Nov 13 10:55:59 <MohammadAG> sure it updated?
Nov 13 10:56:09 <Noobmonk3y> yup
Nov 13 10:56:13 <MohammadAG> (sorry, used to 5MB connections)
Nov 13 10:56:29 <MohammadAG> or the repo generated wrong md5sums
Nov 13 10:56:39 <Noobmonk3y> :|
Nov 13 10:56:42 <Noobmonk3y> lol
Nov 13 10:56:46 <alterego> bbiab
Nov 13 10:56:48 <MohammadAG> in which case, also shoot... err, shout at X-Fade's plane
Nov 13 10:56:56 <Noobmonk3y> is he still on that darn plane?!
Nov 13 10:57:13 <MohammadAG> yeah, it ran out of fuel so it's hanging above the airport
Nov 13 10:57:17 <Noobmonk3y> lol!
Nov 13 10:57:31 <Noobmonk3y> X-Fade: Ping
Nov 13 10:57:42 <MohammadAG> apparently, gravity is a WONTFIX in Ireland :P
Nov 13 10:58:12 <Noobmonk3y> lol!!
Nov 13 10:59:01 <rmrfchik> oh, nice, palm pre games works indeed.
Nov 13 10:59:13 <Noobmonk3y> rmrfchik: yup, some are pretty cool!
Nov 13 10:59:13 <RST38h> rmrf: no shit, sherlock
Nov 13 10:59:15 <rmrfchik> at least settlers. Aslphat shows black screen :(
Nov 13 10:59:34 <rmrfchik> RST38h: ;)
Nov 13 10:59:51 <nidO> I find widelands much better than the pre version of settlers anyway tbh
Nov 13 11:00:30 <rmrfchik> nidO: why?
Nov 13 11:02:45 <nidO> its not much tangible really, settlers for the pre just seems a bit... dumbed down
Nov 13 11:02:47 <MohammadAG> RST38h: I suggest you wrap it in #ifdef MAEMO_CHANGES ifs, but you know how to do that :)
Nov 13 11:03:14 <RST38h> Mohammad: yea, I always do
Nov 13 11:03:28 <RST38h> (I mean, do wrap, not do know :))
Nov 13 11:04:32 * rmrfchik want solitaire games, like Aisleriot
Nov 13 11:04:46 <RST38h> Wasn't there aisleriot for N900 somewhere?
Nov 13 11:04:59 <rmrfchik> for n810 it is
Nov 13 11:05:19 <rmrfchik> http://live.gnome.org/Aisleriot/Hildon
Nov 13 11:05:21 <rmrfchik> Maemo 5 (N900)
Nov 13 11:05:22 <rmrfchik> Not yet available.
Nov 13 11:06:47 <RST38h> port iot
Nov 13 11:06:54 <RST38h> it.
Nov 13 11:09:22 <tobis87> Anyone know how to fix this warning "‘backlog’ may be used uninitialized in this function" http://pastebin.com/B2Ss5FkS ?
Nov 13 11:10:28 <lcuk> tobis87, initialise it to NULL rather than leaving it uninitialised :)
Nov 13 11:10:45 <RST38h> better find why it was uninitialized
Nov 13 11:11:17 <rmrfchik> tobis87: it 27 line there is a garbage in backlog when !async_req
Nov 13 11:11:23 <rmrfchik> *in
Nov 13 11:11:42 <tobis87> Yes, I thought that. But I don't know how, I only did most the time some copy pasting with c.
Nov 13 11:12:31 <lcuk> tobis87, you initialise it in lines 18-21 only in certain conditions, then lower down expect to use it as a return value
Nov 13 11:12:34 <rmrfchik> change 21 to "} else { backlog=NULL;}"
Nov 13 11:13:26 <tobis87> lcuk: Yes, I do understand the problem. It is just that I do most thing by try and error.
Nov 13 11:13:37 <tobis87> rmrfchik: Ok, will try that.
Nov 13 11:13:58 <lcuk> tobis87, if you understood the problem you would usually be able to fix it yourself :P
Nov 13 11:14:17 * lcuk must go though
Nov 13 11:15:34 <tobis87> lcuk: Yes, but I was not sure, I wanted to put backlog = NULL; into line 8
Nov 13 11:15:41 <tobis87> eh line 9
Nov 13 11:18:16 <Noobmonk3y> MohammadAG: if i use wget to get the deb it works fine, but the size is reportedly as 84kb, yet in HAM it is 17kb
Nov 13 11:19:27 <MohammadAG> then the repo's corrupt, wait for the reindex to happen
Nov 13 11:19:35 <MohammadAG> which should be in.... 20 minutes
Nov 13 11:20:05 <MohammadAG> is there a way to get rid of the green text in R&D mode? It makes the framebuffer look ugly
Nov 13 11:20:45 <Noobmonk3y> MohammadAG: anyway, deb installs, icon appears in menu, i click on it and nothing happens ;)
Nov 13 11:20:52 <MohammadAG> lol
Nov 13 11:21:13 <Noobmonk3y> i am gonna start blaming your packaging skills soon lol ;)
Nov 13 11:21:39 <MohammadAG> I didn't test it you know :P
Nov 13 11:22:03 <Noobmonk3y> lol
Nov 13 11:22:08 <Noobmonk3y> i noticed ;)
Nov 13 11:23:09 <MohammadAG> ah, /sbin/preinit
Nov 13 11:26:00 <DocScrutinizer51> the ugly green text is to remind you about r&d being deprecated,  esp for developers testing packages
Nov 13 12:12:51 <zap> X-Fade: hello, was the package version checking algorithm fixed?
Nov 13 12:56:52 <RST38h> Looks like Windows Phone has hit the same swap problem as Maemo
Nov 13 12:57:03 <Arkenoi> lol
Nov 13 12:57:19 <Arkenoi> they are trying to gather worst of all platforms?
Nov 13 12:57:36 <RST38h> Arkenoi: Dunno but will find URL in a moment
Nov 13 12:58:06 <alterego> Heh
Nov 13 12:59:11 <RST38h> http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/12/atandt-tells-samsung-focus-customers-not-to-buy-microsd-cards-yet/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+weblogsinc/engadgetmobile+%28Engadget+Mobile%29
Nov 13 12:59:13 <RST38h> Enjoy
Nov 13 12:59:39 <trumee> anybody using syncevolution?
Nov 13 13:00:27 <RST38h> Arkenoi: Actually there is an advantage here
Nov 13 13:00:55 <RST38h> Arkenoi: Once manufacturers start producing WP-certified fast SD cards, we can use them in N900! =)
Nov 13 13:02:19 <Arkenoi> RST38h, dunno, usually sd card performance bottleneck is not sd card itself. have not seen n900 tests if it can squeeze full speed from any of those, "regular" phones cannot
Nov 13 13:03:52 <pipnuk> i have a new idea for maemo.  maybe it's stupid.  but imagine VNC except instead of a full-screen, it just shows one window.  And that window is for one app that can be launched from your n900.
Nov 13 13:04:12 <RST38h> pipnuk: doesn't vnc already do that?
Nov 13 13:04:17 <pipnuk> the idea being to give the user the experience of launching a local app, but it runs on your pc
Nov 13 13:04:23 <RST38h> Because many Windows-based Xservers do
Nov 13 13:04:49 <RST38h> Arkenoi: actually it is both the card and the data path
Nov 13 13:05:09 <RST38h> Arkenoi: the 7-day slowdown problem is the card, not the data path
Nov 13 13:05:17 <pipnuk> last time i tried vnc for maemo it was a total headache
Nov 13 13:05:35 <RST38h> Arkenoi: happens when the swap rolls over and the kernel starts doing random writes from it
Nov 13 13:05:47 <RST38h> accesses, not writes, sorry
Nov 13 13:06:05 <RST38h> pipnk: it is a 3.5" screen, whaddyawant?
Nov 13 13:16:05 * Arkenoi wants 4.5 screen. actually it could make device thinner as well.
Nov 13 13:16:25 <Arkenoi> and keyboard larger
Nov 13 13:20:25 * sivang is on insanely high wifi rates at LHR
Nov 13 13:20:29 <sivang> hi al
Nov 13 13:20:58 <alterego> Aloha
Nov 13 13:32:57 <alterego> Hrm, return flights for 160 GBP
Nov 13 13:33:19 <alterego> Anyone got a hotel room I can sleep on the floor of? :D
Nov 13 13:36:11 <MohammadAG51> alterego, just sleep in the stadium
Nov 13 13:36:33 <alterego> Heh
Nov 13 13:38:17 * MohammadAG51 still wants a pandaboard
Nov 13 13:40:51 <Termana> MohammadAG51, then get one? :p
Nov 13 13:41:40 <MohammadAG51> Termana, no credit card
Nov 13 13:42:16 <Termana> MohammadAG51, they require a credit card to buy one?
Nov 13 13:42:34 <Termana> MohammadAG51, can't borrow someone's I assume?
Nov 13 13:42:52 <MohammadAG51> Termana, no, they all hate CCs on the internet :P
Nov 13 13:45:05 <Termana> MohammadAG51, prepaid credit card?
Nov 13 13:45:32 <MohammadAG51> got one, only $30 left :P
Nov 13 13:45:39 <MohammadAG51> and the post office's closed for quite some days I think
Nov 13 13:46:03 <MohammadAG51> so.. what can I do with an N86?
Nov 13 13:46:10 <mc_teo> hey
Nov 13 13:46:21 <Termana> MohammadAG51, bin it
Nov 13 13:46:22 <Termana> :P
Nov 13 13:46:37 <Termana> hello mc_teo
Nov 13 13:46:49 <mc_teo> does anyone else have the problem of .flvs not showing up in the media player?
Nov 13 13:47:00 <mc_teo> i have extra codecs installed
Nov 13 13:49:27 <mc_teo> since upgraded to pr 1.3 ive had that problem
Nov 13 13:50:01 <mc_teo> ill try reinstalling them
Nov 13 13:52:02 <alterego> Are the pandaboards for sale now?
Nov 13 13:52:37 <MohammadAG51> Noobmonk3y, ping
Nov 13 13:52:40 <MohammadAG51> alterego, afaik yes
Nov 13 13:52:46 <alterego> schweet
Nov 13 13:52:48 * Noobmonk3y pongs badly
Nov 13 13:53:12 <alterego> That'll be my Christmas present :D
Nov 13 13:53:34 <Noobmonk3y> MohammadAG51: ?
Nov 13 13:53:56 <MohammadAG51> Noobmonk3y, sent 0.5-1, should be with fixed desktop icon
Nov 13 13:54:03 <Noobmonk3y> Ooo wow!
Nov 13 13:54:04 <Noobmonk3y> yay!
Nov 13 13:54:07 <Noobmonk3y> gonna go have a looky
Nov 13 13:54:30 <Noobmonk3y> i'm battling qmobility again, still not wokring
Nov 13 13:54:46 <alterego> Noobmonk3y: what's up now? :D
Nov 13 13:54:52 <Noobmonk3y> Same as before
Nov 13 13:54:57 <Noobmonk3y> squiggly yellow and red lines
Nov 13 13:55:03 <Noobmonk3y> doesnt recognise it at all
Nov 13 13:55:05 <alterego> Hrm
Nov 13 13:55:12 <alterego> Under what?
Nov 13 13:55:19 <Noobmonk3y> added INCLUDEPATH += c:/qtmobility/src/feedback to the pro file (Trying to use the feedback one)
Nov 13 13:55:23 <Noobmonk3y> no error on that line
Nov 13 13:55:35 <Noobmonk3y> but doesnt like #include <QFeedbackEffect>
Nov 13 13:56:11 <MohammadAG51> what's that for?
Nov 13 13:56:26 <MohammadAG51> Noobmonk3y, built fine, should be there in 15 mins
Nov 13 13:56:34 <Noobmonk3y> thanks Mo!
Nov 13 13:56:57 <Noobmonk3y> MohammadAG51: Feedback ffect means i can use the vibration on the n900 with calling random n900 specifics
Nov 13 13:57:03 <alterego> Noobmonk3y: try <QtMobility/blah.h>
Nov 13 13:57:11 <Noobmonk3y> http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1-tp/feedback.html
Nov 13 13:57:21 * MohammadAG51 would use echo 255 > /sys, but that's just him
Nov 13 13:57:46 <alterego> MohammadAG51: not portable, and does't have nice signals and slots :P
Nov 13 13:58:08 <MohammadAG51> alterego, #ifdef Q_WS_MAEMO_5
Nov 13 13:58:18 <alterego> urgh :P
Nov 13 13:58:25 <alterego> Too much of that already
Nov 13 13:59:53 <Noobmonk3y> meh no worky
Nov 13 14:06:41 * Jaffa waves from AirCoach in Dublin
Nov 13 14:07:25 <Dassu> Is there a way to query alarm time when in terminal?
Nov 13 14:07:57 <Noobmonk3y> loha Jaffa
Nov 13 14:08:38 <Jaffa> Dassu: /var/cache/alarmd/... IIRC
Nov 13 14:08:51 <alterego> Everyone's going to Dub but me :'(
Nov 13 14:09:16 <Noobmonk3y> MohammadAG51: It installs fine now ;) - still does nothing lol
Nov 13 14:09:21 <Noobmonk3y> alterego: and me :(
Nov 13 14:09:46 * MohammadAG51 curses
Nov 13 14:09:50 <Noobmonk3y> ;) hehehe
Nov 13 14:09:51 <alterego> Found airline tickets for about 170 GBP
Nov 13 14:09:55 <Noobmonk3y> anyway to test it from terminal?
Nov 13 14:10:10 <MohammadAG51> xD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UIdI8khMkw
Nov 13 14:10:20 <Noobmonk3y> thats not gonna help lol
Nov 13 14:10:53 <Noobmonk3y> lol mo, was funny
Nov 13 14:12:28 <MohammadAG51> ah
Nov 13 14:12:35 <MohammadAG51> you could've said the icon stays highlighted
Nov 13 14:12:40 <Noobmonk3y> oh
Nov 13 14:12:42 <Noobmonk3y> and by the way
Nov 13 14:12:46 <Noobmonk3y> the icon stays highlighted
Nov 13 14:14:16 <MohammadAG51> fixed
Nov 13 14:14:23 <MohammadAG51> how the fuck did you make that button so big!
Nov 13 14:15:06 <Noobmonk3y> hehehe
Nov 13 14:15:16 <Noobmonk3y> they fixed the button fuckup in the new qt
Nov 13 14:15:34 <Noobmonk3y> no more <71 lol
Nov 13 14:15:54 <MohammadAG51> Noobmonk3y, also one more thing
Nov 13 14:16:01 <Noobmonk3y> oOOooo
Nov 13 14:16:16 <MohammadAG51> decide on one app name lol
Nov 13 14:16:16 <MohammadAG51> you have maecounter, maecount, and MaeCount as names
Nov 13 14:16:21 <Noobmonk3y> i know!!!
Nov 13 14:16:28 <Noobmonk3y> MaeCount it will eventually be
Nov 13 14:16:36 <Noobmonk3y> i've changed the gui in my new version already
Nov 13 14:17:46 <MohammadAG51> <Noobmonk3y> they fixed the button fuckup in the new qt YAY
Nov 13 14:18:07 <Noobmonk3y> ;) :)
Nov 13 14:19:30 <alterego> Accomodation 100 quid for three nights
Nov 13 14:19:43 * alterego sighs
Nov 13 14:20:22 * Noobmonk3y double sighs
Nov 13 14:20:41 <SpeedEvil> Where is this again - ireland?
Nov 13 14:20:53 <Termana> SpeedEvil, to be sure to be sure
Nov 13 14:20:54 <MohammadAG51> alterego, tickets 700 effing bucks
Nov 13 14:20:57 * MohammadAG51 sighs
Nov 13 14:21:10 <alterego> MohammadAG51: for your flights?
Nov 13 14:21:14 * Noobmonk3y would love to have gone too :(
Nov 13 14:21:18 <SpeedEvil> I'd offer to put alterego up - but a bed in scotland is unlikely to be much use.
Nov 13 14:21:22 * Termana joins in and sighs as well
Nov 13 14:21:25 <Noobmonk3y> dont know where everyone gets the money :(
Nov 13 14:21:26 <alterego> Heh,
Nov 13 14:21:40 <alterego> SpeedEvil: I think I'm closer in Cambridge :P
Nov 13 14:21:47 <Noobmonk3y> SpeedEvil: depends, you could start the rival #meegoScotconf
Nov 13 14:22:00 * Noobmonk3y is a few hundred miles south down near brighton
Nov 13 14:22:01 <alterego> Heh
Nov 13 14:23:34 <RST38h> moo javispedro
Nov 13 14:23:49 <javispedro> morning
Nov 13 14:24:23 <MohammadAG51> alterego, didn't get a visa, so.. meh, no flights for me
Nov 13 14:25:12 <trumee> alterego: hey got a question about Media-IM status updater.
Nov 13 14:25:24 <alterego> trumee: yup?
Nov 13 14:25:27 <RST38h> Mohammad: there is always next time
Nov 13 14:25:52 <trumee> alterego: does Media-IM trigger a network connect even when there is no prior connection?
Nov 13 14:26:13 <alterego> trumee: shouldn't do.
Nov 13 14:26:43 <alterego> It's possible, I think, if you disconnect from the internet half way through a song.
Nov 13 14:27:01 <Noobmonk3y> MohammadAG51:  no visa?!?!
Nov 13 14:27:17 <MohammadAG51> Noobmonk3y, I need a visa to go to ireland
Nov 13 14:27:27 <MohammadAG51> RST38h, I guess so
Nov 13 14:27:28 <alterego> Why>
Nov 13 14:27:35 <alterego> It's not like you're working there?
Nov 13 14:27:46 <trumee> alterego: hmm. ok, but say if you launch the media player (and there is no prior internet connection), then device will not be asked to connect to internet by Media IM?
Nov 13 14:27:46 <MohammadAG51> tourist visa
Nov 13 14:27:48 <Noobmonk3y> randommmmmmmmm
Nov 13 14:28:04 <alterego> trumee: no, because it knows your current IM status.
Nov 13 14:28:06 <MohammadAG51> if I had an israeli passport I wouldn't need it
Nov 13 14:28:25 <trumee> alterego: ok, going to give the app a go then.
Nov 13 14:28:49 * MohammadAG51 wants a C++ rewrite :P
Nov 13 14:28:55 <alterego> trumee: and you should be offline when you're not connected. So it wont do anything.
Nov 13 14:29:21 <trumee> alterego: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=853962&postcount=76
Nov 13 14:29:21 <MohammadAG51> hmm, is there a way to flash symbian devices without using windows?
Nov 13 14:29:38 <trumee> alterego: i am going to check again
Nov 13 14:29:52 <alterego> trumee: me too ;)
Nov 13 14:31:17 * Noobmonk3y wants qtmobility to just work, but we dont get what we want it seems Mo
Nov 13 14:33:47 * Noobmonk3y cuddles MohammadAG51 !!!!
Nov 13 14:34:57 <Noobmonk3y> maeCount works! oh baby!
Nov 13 14:35:03 <Noobmonk3y> ok, is still shite, but it works
Nov 13 14:55:15 <Noobmonk3y> MohammadAG: 1 hour of reading and finally..........
Nov 13 14:55:16 <Noobmonk3y> In particular, the Maemo5 platform currently has no haptic effect provider plugin; it is a work in progress.
Nov 13 14:55:32 <Noobmonk3y> ergo............ it wont work, bloody useless to hide that way!
Nov 13 14:56:44 <alterego> Noobmonk3y: I suspected as much,
Nov 13 14:56:49 <alterego> Didn't bother checking though :P
Nov 13 14:57:13 <Noobmonk3y> the qt documentation is normally bad, but there really is sooo litte on qtmobility and nothing in a sensible order
Nov 13 14:57:30 <Noobmonk3y> i've wasted over 2 weeks trying to use it, and tbh, its a waste of time
Nov 13 14:57:34 <Noobmonk3y> ifdef seems the way to go!
Nov 13 14:58:12 <Noobmonk3y> brb
Nov 13 14:59:50 <MohammadAG> hey X-Fade
Nov 13 14:59:52 <javispedro> Noobmonk3y: hah!
Nov 13 15:00:13 <javispedro> Noobmonk3y: and I wonder how they are going to haptic when mce keeps on tinkering with the vibrator every other second
Nov 13 15:00:34 * javispedro hopes this means a future release might fix this periodic intrusion!
Nov 13 15:00:41 <javispedro> and allow me to play with the vibrator..
Nov 13 15:00:55 <javispedro> in a hacking sense, ofc.
Nov 13 15:03:13 * alterego continues porting his custom widgets to QtQuick
Nov 13 15:04:57 <MohammadAG> javispedro, you can play with the vibrator
Nov 13 15:05:03 <MohammadAG> if you have kernel-power
Nov 13 15:05:09 <javispedro> huh?
Nov 13 15:05:27 <javispedro> what does kernel-power do to mce?
Nov 13 15:05:40 <jacekowski> nothing
Nov 13 15:05:56 <MohammadAG> it introduces a dbrightness node in /sys
Nov 13 15:06:02 <HateBreeder> does anyone know that how good android 2.2 is on nokia n900? i'll get n900 soon and i want know it:)
Nov 13 15:06:07 <javispedro> MohammadAG: that's stock!
Nov 13 15:06:09 <MohammadAG> try it on LEDs, never tested the vibra, but leds work
Nov 13 15:06:19 <MohammadAG> javispedro, dbrightness, with a d
Nov 13 15:06:35 <MohammadAG> the d wasn't a typo
Nov 13 15:06:41 <javispedro> which is a hack that overrides whatever is in brightness without a d? =)
Nov 13 15:06:42 * GAN900 slowly whittles down the list
Nov 13 15:07:11 <pipnuk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd5yN43TqCk  The Power of Bob Marley (sfw)
Nov 13 15:07:13 <HateBreeder> is this right channel to ask things about n900?
Nov 13 15:07:25 <pipnuk> really funny
Nov 13 15:07:26 <MohammadAG> javispedro, mce is hardcoded to check brightness, it doesn't notice dbrightness
Nov 13 15:07:36 <MohammadAG> you can write to dbrightness, and keep the led on
Nov 13 15:08:01 <mc_teo> that would be very cheap here
Nov 13 15:08:07 <javispedro> so it is what I thought...
Nov 13 15:08:13 <mc_teo> (100 quid for 3nights)
Nov 13 15:08:13 * javispedro sighs
Nov 13 15:08:22 <MohammadAG> javispedro, yep
Nov 13 15:08:54 <mc_teo> and reinstalling extra decoders worked
Nov 13 15:09:04 <javispedro> mce just needs a "DoNotControlVibratorForTheNextNSeconds" call.
Nov 13 15:09:12 <javispedro> with N < 60
Nov 13 15:09:16 <mc_teo> now all my media is back in my media player
Nov 13 15:12:50 <alterego> Less see if this works :D
Nov 13 15:17:46 <mc_teo> how do i rebuild my media collection?
Nov 13 15:20:07 <Necc> it's automatic by tracker daemon
Nov 13 15:20:19 <Necc> just wait a couple of minutes
Nov 13 15:32:30 <dRbiG> automatic rebuild are evil
Nov 13 15:33:16 <dRbiG> ehh
Nov 13 15:37:46 <jacekowski> why?
Nov 13 15:41:10 <javispedro> "Apple opens its JVM"
Nov 13 15:45:25 <MohammadAG> javispedro, is that an attempt to wake up #maemo?
Nov 13 15:45:55 <javispedro> basically, but I guess everyone is packing :)
Nov 13 15:47:46 <mc_teo> anyway i can speed up rebuilding?
Nov 13 15:47:56 <Noobmonk3y> lol
Nov 13 15:48:09 <mc_teo> like start it now, rather than speed up rebuilding
Nov 13 15:48:39 * MohammadAG thanks the N86 for reminding him how slow symbian can be
Nov 13 15:49:06 <mc_teo> lol, while talking here the rebuilding has occured
Nov 13 16:07:41 <Dassu> any replacement for alarmtool on Maemo5?
Nov 13 16:09:19 <n900-space> hey all
Nov 13 16:09:29 <n900-space> i want to ask something about "Advanced Power" software
Nov 13 16:09:48 <n900-space> I installed something and now I have 2 things listed related to this in Uninstal List
Nov 13 16:10:11 <n900-space> one is "Advanced Power" and another is "Advanced Power Monitor"
Nov 13 16:11:39 <n900-space> i cannot see any battery indicator in the drop down menu which appears when i click/touch on the clock on n900
Nov 13 16:11:51 <n900-space> infact there is no battery meter, the original one is gone and there is no new one
Nov 13 16:12:40 <n900-space> The description of "advanced power monitor" says that it can only be executed from command line
Nov 13 16:12:55 <n900-space> so how do i start it, whats the command and where is the battery meter
Nov 13 16:16:03 <Arkenoi> something locked my camera and flashlight. how do i find out what? i thought it was flashlight-extra, but removing it did not help
Nov 13 16:19:33 <trumee> is it possible to find out the files a particular app creates in /home/user?
Nov 13 16:21:15 <trumee> w00t_: ping
Nov 13 16:21:54 <javispedro> trumee: by examining its source code or stracing it...
Nov 13 16:22:17 <trumee> javispedro: is strace available on maemo?
Nov 13 16:22:24 <javispedro> tools repository
Nov 13 16:22:33 <trumee> javispedro: cheers
Nov 13 16:32:55 <timeless_mbp> trumee: mxr.maemo.org can also help :)
Nov 13 16:33:01 <timeless_mbp> but yeah, install strace from tools
Nov 13 16:33:44 <javispedro> mxr rules!
Nov 13 16:34:24 * javispedro is a heavy user of it... He hopes timeless doesn't ban his for "unsanely load levels" :)
Nov 13 16:34:41 <timeless_mbp> javispedro: a friend hosts it
Nov 13 16:34:44 <timeless_mbp> and hasn't complained
Nov 13 16:34:57 <timeless_mbp> mxr.meego is different, it's currently amazon hosted and in theory charges by use
Nov 13 16:35:05 <timeless_mbp> i need to get it moved to OSU infra
Nov 13 16:35:13 * timeless_mbp needs to add that to the to do list for next week
Nov 13 16:35:37 <javispedro> and btw,
Nov 13 16:35:38 <javispedro> http://mxr.maemo.org/
Nov 13 16:35:47 <javispedro> is 1.2 index still in progress?
Nov 13 16:36:16 <timeless_mbp> does i claim that?
Nov 13 16:36:21 <timeless_mbp> "oops"  :)
Nov 13 16:36:31 <timeless_mbp> yeah, it lies
Nov 13 16:36:35 <timeless_mbp> badly, horribly
Nov 13 16:36:39 * timeless_mbp sighs
Nov 13 16:36:43 <javispedro> index seems to work :)
Nov 13 16:36:49 <timeless_mbp> oh, and i should probably figure out the story on 1.3 too
Nov 13 16:36:55 <timeless_mbp> i need to do an l10n pull for 1.3 too
Nov 13 16:38:01 <timeless_mbp> ok, reload the root :)
Nov 13 16:38:05 <timeless_mbp> it should be less wrong now :)
Nov 13 16:38:12 <javispedro> yep
Nov 13 16:38:48 <javispedro> thanks!
Nov 13 16:39:00 * timeless_mbp ponders
Nov 13 16:39:10 <timeless_mbp> i don't advertise that you can use /fremanle12
Nov 13 16:39:18 <timeless_mbp> s/le/tle/
Nov 13 16:39:18 <infobot> timeless_mbp meant: i don't advertise that you can use /fremantle12
Nov 13 16:39:24 * timeless_mbp wonders why
Nov 13 16:39:43 * javispedro ignores the difference
Nov 13 16:40:00 <timeless_mbp> well, fremantle = fremantle12 these days
Nov 13 16:40:05 <timeless_mbp> so advertising 12 is silly :)
Nov 13 16:40:18 * timeless_mbp finalizes commit
Nov 13 16:40:22 <timeless_mbp> ok, that's done
Nov 13 16:41:11 <timeless_mbp> right, so..
Nov 13 16:41:13 * timeless_mbp sighs
Nov 13 16:41:22 <timeless_mbp> anyone here know anything about s60? :)
Nov 13 16:41:36 * timeless_mbp finds http://www.antonypranata.com/screenshot
Nov 13 16:50:40 <dRbiG> hmm, any reason why gprs counters stay at 'No value set for' even if i use the gprs connection?
Nov 13 16:51:39 <timeless_mbp> try to "reset" the counters?
Nov 13 16:51:47 <timeless_mbp> ime the counters are vaguely stupid
Nov 13 16:52:59 <pupnik> i need someone in taiwan to ship me 6-12 cans of bean paste
Nov 13 16:53:24 <dRbiG> timeless_mbp: i guess i can do the reset using gconftool-2, right?
Nov 13 16:53:32 <timeless_mbp> try the ui first?
Nov 13 17:15:43 <einsteinchen> hey
Nov 13 17:16:41 <einsteinchen> i'll get my n900 next week, is there any modded os that i should try?
Nov 13 17:17:41 <DocScrutinizer> use maemo PR1.3 for the first few weeks
Nov 13 17:17:52 <Necc> do you has any EXACT reason to use "modded" OSes or you just think it's cool and wanna try them out?
Nov 13 17:17:57 <DocScrutinizer> gives you enough to play with and to learn
Nov 13 17:18:30 <einsteinchen> i just wonna try them
Nov 13 17:19:27 <einsteinchen> its more playing aroud with a new toy :)
Nov 13 17:19:35 * DocScrutinizer makes a note about another OCer whining for having "bricked his device with multiboot"
Nov 13 17:19:42 <Necc> well look, if you has no exact reason to use them, just "try them" then i do not recomend it. you will gain nothing, just less what the stock OS can provide to you. every alternative OS is experimental only, witch means it does not works well at all
Nov 13 17:19:59 <javispedro> every alternative OS has its own set of funny quirks
Nov 13 17:20:55 * javispedro launches OPTIMIZE TABLE for a ~1GiB table...
Nov 13 17:21:23 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
Nov 13 17:21:40 <DocScrutinizer> which db?
Nov 13 17:21:42 <einsteinchen> Necc: i didnt now they are all experimental, maybe i'll start with the stock, i dont want to brick it
Nov 13 17:21:57 <Necc> if you want to play with something, then i recomend "easy debian". with this, at least you can not screw up your device, but you are still able to run almost any debian linux application
Nov 13 17:22:19 <DocScrutinizer> good point
Nov 13 17:22:25 <DocScrutinizer> Necc++
Nov 13 17:23:03 <Necc> you will not brick your device if you follow the manuals, but you will get less from every OS what the "default" Maemo5 can provide to you
Nov 13 17:23:31 <einsteinchen> Necc: thx for the advise
Nov 13 17:24:41 <Necc> for example if you install NitDroid (android), you will be able to run every 2-nd application and every 4-th game on the android market without any problems. and in the other hand, your battery will run out in no-time as nitdroid has no fully made energy management -yet.
Nov 13 17:25:08 <javispedro> and might never will, as maemo and the n900 ahs a fundamentally different way to conserve energy
Nov 13 17:25:12 <javispedro> er..
Nov 13 17:25:16 <javispedro> yes.
Nov 13 17:25:33 <javispedro> most android devices suspend. the pre suspends. the iphone suspends.
Nov 13 17:25:37 <javispedro> the n900 doesn't.
Nov 13 17:26:02 <einsteinchen> Necc: battery is a good point
Nov 13 17:26:37 <RST38h> javis: Doesn't N900 also suspend between alarmd invokations?
Nov 13 17:27:05 <Necc> imo, stick to "easy debian" if you want to play with native linux applications, it's safe, easy to install, and you can not brick your device with it
Nov 13 17:27:23 <ShadowJK> N900 does what the PC world calls "Suspend to Ram" whenever idle long enough..
Nov 13 17:27:35 <ShadowJK> Clocks off, Voltage off :P
Nov 13 17:27:41 <ShadowJK> until some hardware event wakes it up
Nov 13 17:27:42 <einsteinchen> Necc: im gonna try it, but first i need my phone ^^
Nov 13 17:27:52 <javispedro> ShadowJK: regulated by cpuidle
Nov 13 17:28:17 <ShadowJK> sure
Nov 13 17:28:29 <javispedro>  by suspend I understand that the OS launches a suspend(), freezes tasks, etc. when the activity timeout fires and/or power button is pressed
Nov 13 17:28:35 <Necc> ShadowJK: the beauties of cortex-A8 :P
Nov 13 17:29:06 <Necc> that's why smartreflex just works fine too :D
Nov 13 17:29:20 <Necc> or smartflex.. can't remember the name atm :/
Nov 13 17:29:39 <einsteinchen> is there any other advice for an n900 newbie?
Nov 13 17:30:01 <RST38h> javispedro: afaik, there was a utility in Maemo4 that did just that
Nov 13 17:30:01 <Necc> yes: star to learn some linux console command
Nov 13 17:30:02 <ShadowJK> smartreflex is "just" extra voltage reg inside the CPU ;-)
Nov 13 17:30:15 <RST38h> javispedro: not sure if Nokia has one for maemo5, internally
Nov 13 17:30:44 <derf> RST38h: There was a script.
Nov 13 17:30:48 <ShadowJK> iirc it was "plan B" for N8x0 if they had been unable to get cpuidle working in time
Nov 13 17:30:53 <einsteinchen> Necc: im using right now irssi with Ubuntu
Nov 13 17:30:54 <derf> I don't think it was ever made into a "utility".
Nov 13 17:30:59 <RST38h> derf: ah, so the functionality is there somewhere, ready to be invoked?
Nov 13 17:31:13 <ShadowJK> iirc you could get it as an item in the powerbutton menu
Nov 13 17:31:16 <derf> It could only suspend for 64 seconds at a time, or the watchdog timer would kill the device.
Nov 13 17:31:25 <RST38h> oh
Nov 13 17:31:32 <javispedro> you're talking about that mce.ini suspend?
Nov 13 17:31:55 <javispedro> iirc the one in the powerbutton menu / mce.ini was fake
Nov 13 17:32:02 <javispedro> it just entered flight mode and idled
Nov 13 17:32:18 <derf> Yeah, that is not what I'm talking about.
Nov 13 17:32:26 <javispedro> real one :)
Nov 13 17:32:32 <RST38h> that's not a realsuspend then
Nov 13 17:32:38 <derf> I'm talking about some old software suspend scripts that were done way back for the N800.
Nov 13 17:32:59 <derf> Of the echo mem > /sys/power/state variety.
Nov 13 17:33:22 <javispedro> point is, that a lot of software in android assumes the system takes care of powersaving (by suspending)
Nov 13 17:33:48 <ShadowJK> While in Maemo kernel allows everything that wants to run, to run :P
Nov 13 17:33:49 <javispedro> a thing that has been suggested many times in the ML (sending SIGSTOP signals, etc.) but I personally dislike.
Nov 13 17:34:08 <ShadowJK> (but also sends a signal whenever the device is "idle")
Nov 13 17:34:27 <ShadowJK> Well the SDL wrapper idea was interesting
Nov 13 17:34:52 <javispedro> the issue here is the stupid sdl 10hz tick
Nov 13 17:35:10 <javispedro> the only sane way to do powersaving in a sdl1.2 is to kill it :)
Nov 13 17:35:31 <javispedro> *app.
Nov 13 17:35:55 <slonopotamus> SIGSTOP ftw!
Nov 13 17:36:12 <derf> Well, that's because SDL is a toy.
Nov 13 17:36:18 <kerio> SIGNUKE
Nov 13 17:37:40 * slonopotamus wants SIGBEEP
Nov 13 17:37:46 <javispedro> derf: at least 1.3 fixes it iirc
Nov 13 17:40:08 <RST38h> javispedro: can we safely upgrade to sdl1.3? Will the apps work?
Nov 13 17:40:43 <einsteinchen> multiboot is working on the n900, right?
Nov 13 17:40:48 <javispedro> RST38h: will be something interesting to try.
Nov 13 17:41:16 <lcuk> einsteinchen, dualboot is non-trivial at this point and requires clarification and streamlining
Nov 13 17:41:40 <einsteinchen> lcuk: ok, not for starters ^^
Nov 13 17:44:05 <einsteinchen> lcuk: is flshing tivial, im using Ubuntu, so im familiar with the console
Nov 13 17:44:54 <lcuk> einsteinchen, go read up on the instructions and make your own mind up.  i find the copy to mmc and soft boot kernel replacement method simplest
Nov 13 17:45:52 <einsteinchen> lcuk: got it, ill use google first an ask later ;)
Nov 13 17:47:34 <corecode> what freq/voltages do you use on your n900?
Nov 13 17:47:40 <corecode> i tried the ideal setting
Nov 13 17:47:45 <corecode> but that crashes
Nov 13 17:47:57 <SpeedEvil> default.
Nov 13 17:48:25 <corecode> i mean people who actually change the voltage/freq
Nov 13 17:48:26 <kerio> ~omap-oc
Nov 13 17:48:26 <infobot> i guess omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05  read that!
Nov 13 17:49:51 <corecode> that's all FUD with the wear out
Nov 13 17:50:17 <wmarone> how so?
Nov 13 17:50:36 <corecode> because higher frequencies do not lead to electromigration
Nov 13 17:50:40 <corecode> only higher voltage does
Nov 13 17:50:50 <SpeedEvil> No.
Nov 13 17:50:56 <corecode> jesus
Nov 13 17:50:57 <corecode> that again
Nov 13 17:50:58 <corecode> yes.
Nov 13 17:50:58 <SpeedEvil> Higher integrated current does.
Nov 13 17:51:05 <SpeedEvil> It has little to do with voltage
Nov 13 17:51:23 <SpeedEvil> Or more accurately higher integrated some-function of current.
Nov 13 17:54:11 <GAN900> corecode, OMAP3 is not an Intel Core 2.
Nov 13 17:54:39 <GAN900> corecode, talk to the people who've already killed their devices.
Nov 13 17:54:50 <corecode> who did?
Nov 13 17:55:03 <GAN900> corecode, there've been a number of reports on Talk.
Nov 13 17:55:26 <GAN900> Also: talk to the electrical geniuses we have floating around in here.
Nov 13 17:55:33 <corecode> anecdotal evidence
Nov 13 17:56:01 <corecode> as is "my colleague oc'ed his palm pre"
Nov 13 17:56:02 <GAN900> corecode, and what's your evidence?
Nov 13 17:56:05 <kerio> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdiz0k0Rudw
Nov 13 17:56:06 <corecode> which he did
Nov 13 17:56:31 <corecode> as i expected
Nov 13 17:56:39 <corecode> FUD still going on in here
Nov 13 17:56:45 * GAN900 is packed!
Nov 13 17:56:54 <kerio> gee, sure is troll around here
Nov 13 17:57:02 <wmarone> corecode: because it's all a conspiracy to keep devices underpowered!
Nov 13 17:57:08 <wmarone> TI doesn't know anything at all!
Nov 13 17:57:10 <pupnik> "Can you feed a newborn baby ramen noodles everyday? - Yahoo! Answers"
Nov 13 17:57:23 <GAN900> We all work for Nokia, we want you to buy a new device!
Nov 13 17:57:25 <javispedro> pupnik: How to make babby? How woman get pregnant??
Nov 13 17:57:42 <pupnik> :)
Nov 13 17:57:46 <corecode> right, that's why i'm asking about undervolt settings
Nov 13 17:57:48 <corecode> ...
Nov 13 17:57:48 <GAN900> pupnik, s/can you/is it a good idea to/
Nov 13 17:57:51 <corecode> get over yourselves
Nov 13 17:58:01 <pupnik> answer is yes :)
Nov 13 17:58:14 <Voa> hello everyone
Nov 13 17:58:20 <Voa> how are we doing today?
Nov 13 17:58:24 <pupnik> someone literally built the device i asked them to
Nov 13 17:58:25 <GAN900> corecode, TI voltages scaling seems to invalidate most of the potention harm reducing effects of undervoltage.
Nov 13 17:58:43 <javispedro> pupnik: http://www.somethingawful.com/flash/shmorky/babby.swf
Nov 13 17:58:44 <corecode> GAN900: ENOPARSE
Nov 13 17:58:45 <pupnik> so i'm quite dedicated to that over corporation
Nov 13 17:58:59 <GAN900> Voa, emotionally preparing myself to be molested by the TSA
Nov 13 17:59:01 <pupnik> no flash here sorry
Nov 13 17:59:24 * GAN900 is typing retarded.
Nov 13 17:59:40 <dRbiG> does the builtin maemo web browser understand *.mht files?
Nov 13 17:59:59 <RST38h> GAN900: http://www.nostate.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/myfirstcavitysearch.jpg
Nov 13 18:00:18 <RST38h> pupnik: who built the device?
Nov 13 18:00:19 <pupnik> hahah
Nov 13 18:00:28 <pupnik> the openpandora guys :)
Nov 13 18:00:39 <pupnik> well they're still building it
Nov 13 18:00:42 <pupnik> lol
Nov 13 18:01:37 <pupnik> i'm upset at the trend to oled - it's not as good as transflective in sunlight
Nov 13 18:01:46 <RST38h> pupnik: will it make phone calls?
Nov 13 18:01:48 <pupnik> especially considering battery drain
Nov 13 18:01:54 <kerio> pupnik: will it blend?
Nov 13 18:02:09 <pupnik> phone calls aren't really high on my list of priorities for such devices
Nov 13 18:02:21 <Voa> what is the tsa GAN900 ?
Nov 13 18:02:37 <RST38h> oh
Nov 13 18:03:00 <einsteinchen> RST38h: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TCHSGvNwRY
Nov 13 18:03:36 <javispedro> pupnik: are they already shipping? :)
Nov 13 18:04:06 <pupnik> yes
Nov 13 18:04:24 <javispedro> the batch with actually-won't-wear-in-a-few-weeks nubs?
Nov 13 18:04:25 <RST38h> pupnik: do they pay dividends on the money you paid them months ago? =)
Nov 13 18:04:51 <javispedro> interesting :)
Nov 13 18:05:15 <pupnik> nice one einsteinchen
Nov 13 18:05:24 <ShadowJK> timeless_mbp, I think Nokia S60 energy profiler has a screenshot functionality, if that was what you were looking for
Nov 13 18:05:37 <timeless_mbp> ShadowJK: i found one, thanks
Nov 13 18:05:46 <einsteinchen> thx
Nov 13 18:06:53 <Voa> does anyone know what does differ twitter from fb?
Nov 13 18:07:28 <einsteinchen> fb > 140
Nov 13 18:07:52 <Voa> or they similar?
Nov 13 18:08:13 <RST38h> Voa: are you sure you connected to the right server?
Nov 13 18:08:27 <Voa> yes why you ask?
Nov 13 18:08:30 <RST38h> Voa: tried google.com?
Nov 13 18:08:43 <Voa> no i wanted to chat so asked a question is that bad?
Nov 13 18:08:46 <GAN900> Voa, Transport Safety Administration. US Government entity responsible for airport security.
Nov 13 18:09:10 <RST38h> no,not at all, although asking it on a different server would probably work better
Nov 13 18:09:23 <Voa> thanks  GAN900  well i hope they go light on you with taxes or you can all ways become a robin hood :)
Nov 13 18:09:42 <Voa> is it becouse you are not fans of  those king of social networks you say this RST38h ?
Nov 13 18:10:04 <RST38h> Voa:No, it is because this irc channel has nothing to do with either
Nov 13 18:10:27 <Voa> well they are avaible on n900 so i want to see if they worth installing
Nov 13 18:10:33 <Voa> the apps for both
Nov 13 18:10:36 <javispedro> RST38h: maybe he's asking about fb=Framebuffer ;)
Nov 13 18:11:14 <dRbiG> fb vesa ftw!
Nov 13 18:11:46 <RST38h> javispedro: and is twitter some new kind of audio framework? =)
Nov 13 18:12:07 <javispedro> who knows! these days a new framework for anything appears
Nov 13 18:12:10 <javispedro> every day.
Nov 13 18:12:36 <timeless_mbp> can someone here suggest a web site which uses popups?
Nov 13 18:12:54 <Necc> sex.com porn.net
Nov 13 18:13:07 <Necc> or ultimatewarezsite.org :p
Nov 13 18:13:35 <Voa> facebook seems cool but they spy on you too much twitter diden't try it yet you guys use any of the 2?
Nov 13 18:13:40 <Voa> on the n900?
Nov 13 18:13:46 <Necc> hehe ok these aren't existing websites, but i guess you get the idea
Nov 13 18:16:09 <steinex> Voa: there is so value in carrying a smartphone if you are not a member of twitter / facebook
Nov 13 18:16:12 <steinex> :D
Nov 13 18:16:13 * steinex hides
Nov 13 18:16:26 <steinex> s/so/no/
Nov 13 18:16:56 <RST38h> <--please port Meego to E7-->
Nov 13 18:17:28 <steinex> please port meego to your ass.
Nov 13 18:17:40 <steinex> i actually bought an iphone 4 :/
Nov 13 18:17:59 <steinex> and no, im not a troll ;)
Nov 13 18:18:32 <RST38h> steinex: That is where you are supposed to /leave you know
Nov 13 18:18:59 <andre41> Voa: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=facebook+twitter+compare
Nov 13 18:19:02 <Necc> ... yet you are not\
Nov 13 18:19:08 <steinex> RST38h: the iphone actually cant replace my n900, so no, i'm not ;)
Nov 13 18:19:12 <RST38h> Before somebody uses you for a witty kick comment, that is
Nov 13 18:19:15 <Necc> but we will se after a couple of weeks/months
Nov 13 18:19:18 <steinex> RST38h: don't take me too seriously..
Nov 13 18:19:32 <RST38h> Not taking you seriously at all, dude =)
Nov 13 18:20:19 <Necc> if eyePhone can not replace your N900, the honestly: why the f**k you bought it?
Nov 13 18:20:27 <Necc> *then
Nov 13 18:23:17 <kerio> the iphone looks really sw33t
Nov 13 18:23:21 <kerio> that's about it
Nov 13 18:23:54 <luke-jr> [13:09:51] <steinex> Voa: there is so value in carrying a smartphone if you are not a member of twitter / facebook
Nov 13 18:24:05 <luke-jr> there is more truth to this than it seems at face value
Nov 13 18:25:21 <Voa> ill keep fb for now as i need it for my informatic school only reason why i made it but i am also not a smartphone fun
Nov 13 18:25:37 <Voa> social network fun i mean
Nov 13 18:25:40 <RST38h> The only use for Twitter that I know is being able to say "blogger, shut your twitter"
Nov 13 18:26:36 <timeless_mbp> heh
Nov 13 18:29:56 <lcuk> RST38h, twitter is useful to spread ones suffering to others.
Nov 13 18:31:20 <javispedro> tbh I've found a use for Twitter
Nov 13 18:31:30 <javispedro> that is exactly to follow people on #meegoconf =)
Nov 13 18:31:45 <javispedro> same as when #maebar happened
Nov 13 18:32:01 <RST38h> lcuk: not interested, unless it is done in a really creative way (pretty much excludes twitter)
Nov 13 18:32:08 <lcuk> indeed javispedro its like irc but you dont have to remain logged in
Nov 13 18:32:40 <javispedro> What I see is that it has a lower barrier-to-entry than IRC
Nov 13 18:32:43 <RST38h> does autobuilder still post to twitter btw?
Nov 13 18:32:48 <Arkenoi> something locked my camera and flashlight. how do i find out what? i thought it was flashlight-extra, but removing it did not help
Nov 13 18:32:48 <javispedro> what??
Nov 13 18:32:56 <RST38h> javispedro: Is that...a good thing? 8)
Nov 13 18:33:09 <lcuk> RST38h, i dont think autobuilder itself does, but I think theres a twitter bot slurping the rss feed
Nov 13 18:33:46 <RST38h> Arkenoi: may have to reboot
Nov 13 18:34:21 <javispedro> RST38h: depending on who you want to follow
Nov 13 18:34:23 <Arkenoi> RST38h, does not help
Nov 13 18:34:29 <javispedro> or more accurately, "what".
Nov 13 18:34:45 <RST38h> Arkenoi:how about ps -ax to some pastebin?
Nov 13 18:35:43 <RST38h> javispedro: I don't, really...
Nov 13 18:36:51 * DocScrutinizer reads comments about twitter, and suffocates from coughing
Nov 13 18:36:52 <Arkenoi> http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/ps.txt
Nov 13 18:38:21 <DocScrutinizer> Arkenoi: what's the meaning of "lock" in that context?
Nov 13 18:39:19 <Arkenoi> DocScrutinizer, "Operation failed" "camera locked by other application" , whatever, when i try to run anything that uses camera
Nov 13 18:39:41 <DocScrutinizer> that's flashlight-extra
Nov 13 18:39:44 <DocScrutinizer> I bet
Nov 13 18:40:10 <Arkenoi> i removed it and rebooted, did not help
Nov 13 18:40:49 <DocScrutinizer> flashlight-extra, though a nice concept I fully agree with, was so buggy and CPU hogging and causing segfaults and whatnot, I had to remove it
Nov 13 18:41:38 <DocScrutinizer> Arkenoi: I'd not be surprised to learn even uninstall doesn't work like expected, for fl-extra
Nov 13 18:41:46 <Arkenoi> :-)
Nov 13 18:42:12 <DocScrutinizer> maybe check which files are installed by fl-extra pkg, and what exactly postinstall script does
Nov 13 18:42:16 <Arkenoi> btw front camera is "locked" as well
Nov 13 18:42:27 <DocScrutinizer> no surprise
Nov 13 18:42:45 <DocScrutinizer> you can't use both concurrently, they are muxed
Nov 13 18:43:26 <DocScrutinizer> so if one of both is "in use", the other one is simply not available at all
Nov 13 18:44:28 <DocScrutinizer> lsof might help, rmmod might help, deep investigation about what fl-extra does will help
Nov 13 18:45:51 <Arkenoi> conversation-inbox crashed again taking all widgets with it
Nov 13 18:45:57 <Arkenoi> happens at least once a week
Nov 13 18:47:42 <RST38h> ah!
Nov 13 18:47:51 <RST38h> Arkenoi: camkeyd!
Nov 13 18:48:14 <Arkenoi> RST38h, really? will try to kill it. it worked flawlessly for almost an year
Nov 13 18:48:48 <RST38h> this is the only daemon I see that is related to camera in some way
Nov 13 18:49:25 <Arkenoi> i do not think button is wired to camera with any hardware link :-)
Nov 13 18:49:43 <Arkenoi> well, will try to remove
Nov 13 18:54:25 <Arkenoi> RST38h, did not help either (and i did not expect it to)
Nov 13 18:56:49 <Arkenoi> is there a camera device i can find via lsof?
Nov 13 18:57:06 <Voa> hello are we best friends people?
Nov 13 18:57:30 * timeless_mbp sighs
Nov 13 18:57:40 <timeless_mbp> seriously guys, where do i find a window opener?
Nov 13 18:58:40 <Voa> timeless_mbp:  what happend my rose?
Nov 13 18:58:44 <timeless_mbp> ?
Nov 13 18:59:11 <Voa> tell your best friend what happend
Nov 13 18:59:15 <Voa> are you ok?
Nov 13 18:59:18 <timeless_mbp> ??
Nov 13 19:01:20 <Voa> what happend time are you ok?
Nov 13 19:02:39 <Voa> or you need a free hug?
Nov 13 19:04:38 <SpeedEvil> Arkenoi: what's the root question?
Nov 13 19:04:46 <SpeedEvil> The camera appears as /dev/video?
Nov 13 19:05:30 <timeless_mbp> would someone please ban Voa
Nov 13 19:06:01 <Arkenoi> no process has /dev/video open
Nov 13 19:06:35 <RST38h> Arkenoi: maybe there is a lock file somewhere?
Nov 13 19:07:11 <Voa> why should the ban me my friend timeless_mbp  i am asking if you need a free hug?
Nov 13 19:07:17 <Voa> you should be happy
Nov 13 19:07:43 * timeless_mbp rotfl @ http://xkcd.com/810/
Nov 13 19:08:12 <Arkenoi> RST38h, any places to check?
Nov 13 19:08:41 <RST38h> Arkenoi:the usual, /var
Nov 13 19:08:55 <RST38h> Probably /tmp too
Nov 13 19:11:14 <Arkenoi> i guess it would be cleaned up n reboot if it was tmp
Nov 13 19:11:33 <Arkenoi> nothing suspicious in /var (at least at the first glance)
Nov 13 19:12:01 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_mbp: XP
Nov 13 19:12:14 <timeless_mbp> sp3000: the recall message is awesome
Nov 13 19:13:14 * Voa lelly kelly are my little shoes o yea !
Nov 13 19:14:21 <DocScrutinizer> Arkenoi: camerad is preload-started at bootup. Check if it's running and if it's not, then try to get error msgs from startup
Nov 13 19:15:24 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# ps|grep cam
Nov 13 19:15:26 <DocScrutinizer>   781 root     15236 S    /usr/sbin/omap3camd -d /dev/video0 -f /tmp/omap3camd0
Nov 13 19:15:27 <DocScrutinizer>   832 root     15124 S    /usr/sbin/omap3camd -d /dev/video1
Nov 13 19:15:52 <Arkenoi> nope, i do not have it running, will try to start manually
Nov 13 19:16:01 <DocScrutinizer> ;-)
Nov 13 19:17:29 <Arkenoi> it does not start. it says it does and then exits silently, no error messages
Nov 13 19:17:35 <MohammadAG> tmo statistics: useful users in october .../ (graph goes up), now: |, and the arrow isn't pointing upwards
Nov 13 19:18:02 <RST38h> You have got some sentient users in october?really?
Nov 13 19:18:41 <MohammadAG> oh right, those were from before
Nov 13 19:18:44 <Arkenoi> is there a debug/verbose mode for omap3camd?
Nov 13 19:18:44 <javispedro> the ship is sinking!
Nov 13 19:19:13 <Voa> when the ship goes down you better be ready
Nov 13 19:19:38 <DocScrutinizer> Arkenoi: check your modules
Nov 13 19:19:51 <MohammadAG> I already got gills
Nov 13 19:20:10 <Arkenoi> lsmod|grep cam shows nothing
Nov 13 19:20:37 <DocScrutinizer> Arkenoi: you had fcam, or the other one? both are replacing stock cam driver modules by sth that won't work under 1.3
Nov 13 19:21:03 <DocScrutinizer> also power-kernel is known to have issues
Nov 13 19:21:22 <DocScrutinizer> or have had
Nov 13 19:21:38 <Arkenoi> yes, i run power-kernel, but it worked after update to 1.3 for sure
Nov 13 19:21:40 <RST38h> fcam works in 1.3
Nov 13 19:21:44 <DocScrutinizer> hostmode came with modules that didn't support cam afaik
Nov 13 19:22:16 <DocScrutinizer> Arkenoi: I'm rather sure you messed up your cam drivers somehow
Nov 13 19:22:29 <GAN900> Bridge construction when you need to be at the airport is helpful.
Nov 13 19:22:31 * Arkenoi wonders how
Nov 13 19:25:51 <MohammadAG> fcam doesn't work on kernel-power 42+ afaik
Nov 13 19:27:07 <Arkenoi> so it is fcam-drivers to blame?
Nov 13 19:27:22 <MohammadAG> no, it's kernel-power to blame I guess
Nov 13 19:27:55 <MohammadAG> well, I myself never tried it on my device, but I did on my classmate's and it kept saying Operation Failed on the main camera
Nov 13 19:28:41 <DocScrutinizer> board_rx51_camera       5216  1  /  omap34xxcam_mod        18244  8  /  isp_mod                90288  3 board_rx51_camera,omap_previewer_hack,omap34xxcam_mod  /  videobuf_dma_sg         9348  3 omap_previewer_hack,omap34xxcam_mod,isp_mod  /  videobuf_core          14020  3 omap_previewer_hack,omap34xxcam_mod,videobuf_dma_sgvideobuf_core          14020  3 omap_previewer_hack,omap34xxcam_mod,videobuf_dma_sg   etc etc
Nov 13 19:33:35 <Arkenoi> so i guess camera stopped working since i updated to hostmode enabled kernel
Nov 13 19:35:23 <DocScrutinizer> you bet it did
Nov 13 19:36:05 <DocScrutinizer> check back with power kernel "support"
Nov 13 19:36:12 <Arkenoi> well, i think i will just wait for next update
Nov 13 19:36:30 <DocScrutinizer> update of what?
Nov 13 19:36:48 <DocScrutinizer> hostmode, power kernel, fcam?
Nov 13 19:37:13 <MohammadAG> hostmode didn't break fcam, it did break PSFreedom though
Nov 13 19:37:36 <Arkenoi> power kernel i guess
Nov 13 19:37:59 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: I lost track. Is recent version of h-e-n rdepends power-kernel now? or what exactly does it do?
Nov 13 19:38:03 <joga> heh, I wonder how long it takes until someone uses kinect with n900
Nov 13 19:38:37 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, doesn't depend on anything, it's bad, I know
Nov 13 19:38:46 <trumee> is there any advantage of running any of these power kernels except for hostmode? I already have pptp modules for stock kernel and not interested in OC.
Nov 13 19:38:59 * MohammadAG likes the kernel-feature thing
Nov 13 19:39:11 <DocScrutinizer> not a real problem. I just suggest you edit post #1 of that hread to get a proper howto there. Also for ninstall
Nov 13 19:39:17 <DocScrutinizer> uninstall*
Nov 13 19:40:13 <MohammadAG> also, what is kernel-feature-automounter?
Nov 13 19:40:26 <DocScrutinizer> mentioning which hm-enabled kernel builds are available, where they are, and what's exact procedure to install and to deinstall h-e-n
Nov 13 19:42:02 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: kernel-feature-automount sounds great, but I guess nobody will get it in tmo
Nov 13 19:42:31 <MohammadAG> yes, but what is it?
Nov 13 19:42:31 <DocScrutinizer> you should talk to titan about it
Nov 13 19:42:37 <MohammadAG> we need t-tan back
Nov 13 19:42:38 <MohammadAG> ~seen t-tan
Nov 13 19:42:43 <infobot> t-tan <~tanner@e179094244.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 154d 23h 55m 29s ago, saying: 'smoking hot device?'.
Nov 13 19:43:40 <cehteh> evening
Nov 13 19:43:42 <DocScrutinizer> famous last words of a OCer?
Nov 13 19:43:48 <cehteh> :)
Nov 13 19:44:07 <cehteh> pizza-oven app
Nov 13 19:44:12 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Nov 13 19:44:17 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, heh, was thinking that xD
Nov 13 19:44:30 <MohammadAG> we need a steak cooker
Nov 13 19:45:14 <cehteh> is power45 safe to install when one hasnt uboot or any other os installed .. but i need the kamera
Nov 13 19:45:15 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: check google for linux automounter
Nov 13 19:45:21 <RST38h> cehteh: don't joke this way, iPhone has got an app with a huge grill picture where you can control iPhone body temperature
Nov 13 19:45:43 <cehteh> i was quite busy past days, didnt followed closely, just seen a lot people with problems
Nov 13 19:45:52 <DocScrutinizer> cehteh: uBoot is included in powerk.
Nov 13 19:45:57 <DocScrutinizer> afaik
Nov 13 19:46:06 <cehteh> no idea how its done
Nov 13 19:46:09 <DocScrutinizer> and *should* 'just work'
Nov 13 19:46:38 <cehteh> well i just want to install it and have my device still working, including camera
Nov 13 19:47:08 <cehteh> some people report its broken with the camera launcher app, dunno if that was about .44 or .45
Nov 13 19:47:23 <cehteh> soem even report bricked or reboot-looping devices
Nov 13 19:48:06 <cehteh> (i wish they would be more precise on tmo about which kernel they exactly use)
Nov 13 19:48:33 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, multiboot has the funny idea of reflashing kernels at boot time. Doesn't go well together with uBoot etc. Frankly all usual alternative-kernel installers will break with multiboot
Nov 13 19:49:00 <DocScrutinizer> and especially uBoot and multiboot are mutually exclusive aiui
Nov 13 19:49:31 <Corsac> hmhm, I think what NITdroid uses works fine here
Nov 13 19:49:43 <javispedro> naa nitdroid uses multiboot
Nov 13 19:49:43 <cehteh> fcam, camera-launcher and other apps seem to break somtimes too
Nov 13 19:50:04 <MohammadAG> multiboot needs to be rewritten
Nov 13 19:50:06 <Corsac> I have uboot-pr13 installed, if I use run noloboot and have the keyboard opened, I have the selection dialog shown
Nov 13 19:50:12 <FredrIQ|n900> Hm, speaking about multiboot, is there an easy way to completly uninstall Android that also removes things like multiboot(+config)?
Nov 13 19:50:21 <Corsac> (though it won't work since I only have a sdcard with meego atm)
Nov 13 19:50:24 <MohammadAG> how? easy, make it create symlinks for kernel on the card
Nov 13 19:50:44 <FredrIQ|n900> As that will stand intact if you just uninstall Android, i guess
Nov 13 19:50:53 <MohammadAG> FredrIQ|n900, sudo nitdroid-uninstaller
Nov 13 19:51:13 <cehteh> is nitdroid useable as in wireless and 3G works, you can make phone calls and other hardware (gps, camera, ..)?
Nov 13 19:51:18 <FredrIQ|n900> Ah, didn't know that existed
Nov 13 19:51:19 <FredrIQ|n900> ty
Nov 13 19:51:21 <DocScrutinizer> think of installing win98 after you got a multiboot setup on your PC. That's what multiboot-n900 does to N900. It messes with booting sequence and doesn't think about conflicting other mechanisms
Nov 13 19:52:13 <javispedro> hm... installing win98 to an n900.
Nov 13 19:52:33 <MohammadAG> yay, at least hostmode triggered some development http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65577 :)
Nov 13 19:52:37 <cehteh> be a real man, install WinME :)
Nov 13 19:54:34 <Shapeshifter> I once asked why streaming internet radio over 3g uses so much battery. someone answered, it's because the device has to aknowledge every packet. But streams use UDP, which doesn't need aknowledging... ?
Nov 13 19:54:44 <cehteh> MohammadAG: there are usb graphic adapters .. anyone with linux drivers? performance sux somewhat but they are limited useful, imagine such a vga adapter, keyboard, mouse .. voila, n900 docking station with a big screen
Nov 13 19:54:54 <cehteh> (and no, no one wants the TVout :P)
Nov 13 19:54:57 <Shapeshifter> or is it the GPRS encapsulation?
Nov 13 19:56:03 <alterego> Shapeshifter: UDP just encapsulates packets, if the application protocol requires response packets then it'll send back.
Nov 13 19:56:24 <Shapeshifter> alterego: application protocol?
Nov 13 19:56:34 <cehteh> gprs likely acknowledges packets .. in one or another way (windowed?)
Nov 13 19:56:44 <MohammadAG> cehteh, I think javispedro tried a display adapter
Nov 13 19:56:58 <alterego> what ever protocol is used for data transmission, rdp or wha have you.
Nov 13 19:57:02 <nox-> moin
Nov 13 19:57:09 <cehteh> supported by the n900 kernel?
Nov 13 19:57:20 <javispedro> cehteh: displaylink
Nov 13 19:57:30 <cehteh> worked?
Nov 13 19:57:38 <javispedro> cehteh: it's suported with only insanely recent kernels (aka not n900), but there's also a userspace implementation
Nov 13 19:57:40 <javispedro> cehteh: yes
Nov 13 19:57:46 <cehteh> cool
Nov 13 19:57:56 <javispedro> the userspace implementation forwards vnc to displaylink
Nov 13 19:58:08 <MohammadAG> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31921 it was somewhere here
Nov 13 19:58:09 <javispedro> (displaylink is actually similar to vnc)
Nov 13 19:58:25 <javispedro> http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/usb/displaylink.jpg
Nov 13 19:58:25 <cehteh> so it eats a lot of bandwidth
Nov 13 19:58:53 <javispedro> cehteh: marketing says around 6 devices on usb2.0
Nov 13 19:59:08 <cehteh> mean 0.6 devices on n900 :)
Nov 13 19:59:15 <MohammadAG> javispedro, you posted a pic afaik
Nov 13 19:59:24 <javispedro> MohammadAG: linked above already :)
Nov 13 19:59:38 <MohammadAG> nevermind LOL
Nov 13 20:00:18 <javispedro> cehteh: on that pic I just used x11vnc but you can use plain Xvnc and it drove 1680x1050 just fine
Nov 13 20:00:29 <MohammadAG> javispedro, yeah, noticed :P
Nov 13 20:00:53 <cehteh> well running a independent desktop with another resolution there would be nice, doesnt need 2048x1156 ... but 1024x600 or something like that would be cool
Nov 13 20:01:26 <MohammadAG> javispedro, this? http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/usb/xvnc2dlusb.jpg, sorry, I'm nosey :P
Nov 13 20:01:29 <MohammadAG> nosy even
Nov 13 20:01:37 <timeless_mbp> hey
Nov 13 20:01:38 <javispedro> you guess :)
Nov 13 20:01:41 <javispedro> MohammadAG: yes :)
Nov 13 20:01:42 <timeless_mbp> when did youtube get ratings?
Nov 13 20:02:01 * javispedro though he had removed those, hmpf.
Nov 13 20:02:17 * MohammadAG saves
Nov 13 20:04:30 <MohammadAG> javispedro, how much is a displaylink to USB again? :)
Nov 13 20:04:45 <javispedro> no idea, my monitor has it builtin
Nov 13 20:04:50 <javispedro> the one you see on the pictures
Nov 13 20:05:11 <MohammadAG> yeah, you told me that once
Nov 13 20:05:18 <javispedro> do not pay more than $20 for it I'd say, but I have no idea.
Nov 13 20:05:45 <javispedro> tbh it is a useful thing
Nov 13 20:06:05 <javispedro> I've used it with a broken HP laptop (one of those where the gpu chip goes haywire)
Nov 13 20:06:13 <javispedro> worked very well
Nov 13 20:06:21 <MohammadAG> $149.95 err
Nov 13 20:06:22 <DocScrutinizer> o.O
Nov 13 20:06:35 <javispedro> MohammadAG: too much
Nov 13 20:06:51 <javispedro> MohammadAG: ebay says $40
Nov 13 20:06:55 <javispedro> or $45
Nov 13 20:07:03 <DocScrutinizer> it's a graca plus cpu to drive some USB protocol
Nov 13 20:07:09 <MohammadAG> you said 20
Nov 13 20:07:16 <MohammadAG> :P
Nov 13 20:07:30 <javispedro> MohammadAG: I'm like DocScrutinizer, I just see that it is a $1 cpu with a $1 pcb
Nov 13 20:07:31 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: this is not one of your bazaars :-P
Nov 13 20:07:42 <javispedro> MohammadAG: of course, consumers prices are another story ;)
Nov 13 20:08:46 <DocScrutinizer> consumer prices are always what you can ask for it, to maximize your earnings
Nov 13 20:09:01 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, I'm assuming this is what you saw? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310270404996&hlp=false&rvr_id=167810552497&crlp=1_263602_304652&UA=L*F%3F&GUID=85cb9dba12a0a0b3f4360b56ffd6b428&itemid=310270404996&ff4=263602_304652
Nov 13 20:09:09 <MohammadAG> err, javispedro, sorry DocScrutinizer
Nov 13 20:09:12 <javispedro> yep
Nov 13 20:09:38 <javispedro> also, http://www.displaylink.com/shop/index.php?product=5 ?
Nov 13 20:10:13 <DocScrutinizer> I guess they are just tunneling sth like AGP thru USB
Nov 13 20:10:53 <DocScrutinizer> maybe even a more highlevel protocol, like VNC or whatever
Nov 13 20:11:01 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: it's a vnc on steroids
Nov 13 20:11:07 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
Nov 13 20:11:58 * DocScrutinizer muses idly about PCI extenders thru USB
Nov 13 20:12:13 <MohammadAG> javispedro, one question though, how does the N900 handle a higher res?
Nov 13 20:12:26 <MohammadAG> hildon-desktop should scale, but what happens to the main screen
Nov 13 20:12:26 <DocScrutinizer> hook up arbitrary PCI cards to your N900
Nov 13 20:12:50 <javispedro> MohammadAG: well. applications react badly.
Nov 13 20:13:01 <javispedro> MohammadAG: most of them have 800x480 hardcoded somewhere.
Nov 13 20:13:09 <javispedro> MohammadAG: OpenTTD works fine though =)
Nov 13 20:13:23 <DocScrutinizer> liq FTW
Nov 13 20:13:42 <MohammadAG> javispedro, applications can be fixed :P
Nov 13 20:13:44 <DocScrutinizer> (says an ignorant)=
Nov 13 20:13:48 <javispedro> closed ones no :P
Nov 13 20:14:00 <MohammadAG> and I'm interested in things like the media player (that's probably hardcoded) or gstreamer + movies
Nov 13 20:14:05 <javispedro> well...
Nov 13 20:14:11 <javispedro> with the user space implementation...
Nov 13 20:14:16 <javispedro> do not expect sane performance.
Nov 13 20:14:21 <javispedro> for video.
Nov 13 20:14:26 <DocScrutinizer> LOL mediaplayer
Nov 13 20:14:31 <MohammadAG> was thinking about that :/
Nov 13 20:14:43 <javispedro> udlfb iirc is the name of the inkernel implementation
Nov 13 20:14:43 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, it doesn't resize, I already tried that :P
Nov 13 20:14:55 <MohammadAG> they don't have lists in a layout
Nov 13 20:15:10 <MohammadAG> and which kernel does that require? 2.6.35?
Nov 13 20:15:16 <javispedro> might work..
Nov 13 20:17:47 <Arkenoi> unlinstalling lowlight did help
Nov 13 20:18:13 <Turski> MohammadAG: i finally put your fmtx-module to my n900, it seems to work fine :)
Nov 13 20:19:09 <BCMM> what does MohammadAG's fmtx-module do?
Nov 13 20:19:37 <Turski> it's PR1.2 module build with PR1.3 headers, so it allow use of boost
Nov 13 20:19:52 <BCMM> oh, boost doesn't work with 1.3?
Nov 13 20:19:52 <MohammadAG> reverse's nokia's cruel idiotic power level lock
Nov 13 20:19:53 <DocScrutinizer> Arkenoi: ??
Nov 13 20:20:03 <Turski> BCMM: yep
Nov 13 20:20:06 <BCMM> that would explain things a bit
Nov 13 20:20:13 <MohammadAG> BCMM, it gets locked if you echo into power_level
Nov 13 20:20:20 <BCMM> can i have it to?
Nov 13 20:20:26 <MohammadAG> sometimes, it gets locked to 120, making nokia look retarded
Nov 13 20:20:38 <MohammadAG> if you're on the latest power kernel, t-tan reversed it
Nov 13 20:20:39 <BCMM> 120 is max power, right?
Nov 13 20:20:49 <MohammadAG> yes
Nov 13 20:21:07 <DocScrutinizer> MUHAHA
Nov 13 20:21:10 <BCMM> does power kernel work with fcam?
Nov 13 20:21:13 <MohammadAG> http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/PR1.3/fmtx-si4713.ko
Nov 13 20:21:15 <DocScrutinizer> that's a nice feature
Nov 13 20:21:20 <MohammadAG> no BCMM
Nov 13 20:21:21 <kerio> echo 9001 > power_level
Nov 13 20:21:35 <BCMM> MohammadAG: where in the filesystem does that go?
Nov 13 20:21:35 <MohammadAG> kerio, that returns WTF in dmesg
Nov 13 20:22:03 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM: find / -name fmtx-si*
Nov 13 20:22:04 <Turski> BCMM: that's something you should know when you start to play with kernel
Nov 13 20:22:17 <Turski> also with -modules
Nov 13 20:22:56 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer: how do you know i've got findutils installed?
Nov 13 20:23:15 <BCMM> Turski: woah, you're right - it's just a ko
Nov 13 20:23:16 <MohammadAG> /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1/
Nov 13 20:23:27 <BCMM> i blame being sleepy
Nov 13 20:23:33 <MohammadAG> you don't need findutils, busybox
Nov 13 20:23:39 <Arkenoi> DocScrutinizer, it depends on fcam modules, so i uninstalled it alltogether and rebooted and camera works now
Nov 13 20:24:15 <kerio> MohammadAG: tell me they really put that easter egg in
Nov 13 20:24:16 <BCMM> MohammadAG: so are there any difference other than reversing the stupid?
Nov 13 20:24:23 <user> is there a documentation reader not broken or missed in maemo? and please do not tell me to use a browser...
Nov 13 20:24:48 <andre41> user: what is a "documentation reader"?
Nov 13 20:25:05 <BCMM> user: are you talking about man?
Nov 13 20:25:06 <MohammadAG> BCMM, nope, power boost makes a difference here, so I needed it reversed anyways
Nov 13 20:25:13 <MohammadAG> you can use jacekowski's FMTXD
Nov 13 20:25:28 <user> andre41, BCMM: maemo lacks info, w3m, man system is broken,... i am lost
Nov 13 20:25:43 <BCMM> MohammadAG: "makes a difference here" - are there jurisdictions where it does max power by default?
Nov 13 20:25:54 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM:
Nov 13 20:26:02 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# busybox find --help
Nov 13 20:26:03 <DocScrutinizer> BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso30+0m5) multi-call binary
Nov 13 20:26:05 <DocScrutinizer> Usage: find [PATH...] [EXPRESSION]
Nov 13 20:26:06 <MohammadAG> hmm? it's just 1.2's source with 1.3's headers
Nov 13 20:26:36 <BCMM> i meant, "does the default transmit power vary by region?"
Nov 13 20:27:06 <BCMM> anyway, the reason i wanted this is because the other day i had trouble making it work in a car, and noticed that boost didn't seem to be doing much
Nov 13 20:27:21 <MohammadAG> tmo-sucks:~# ls -l /usr/bin/find
Nov 13 20:27:23 <MohammadAG> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           12 Sep 10 18:03 /usr/bin/find -> /bin/busybox
Nov 13 20:27:25 <user> andre41, BCMM: afaik debian always lacked a proper info reader (info is a unix command to read documentation about programs, like man, but in more depth)
Nov 13 20:27:40 <MohammadAG> BCMM, hmm, not sure about that
Nov 13 20:27:51 <MohammadAG> again, you can use jacekowski's modified fmtxd, it does a better job anyways
Nov 13 20:27:53 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: LUSER
Nov 13 20:28:19 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# which find
Nov 13 20:28:21 <DocScrutinizer> /usr/bin/gnu/find
Nov 13 20:28:24 <MohammadAG> BCMM, http://jacekowski.org/Maemo/FMTXD1.3
Nov 13 20:28:38 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, I use gfind
Nov 13 20:28:59 <DocScrutinizer> couldn't bother about that g* shit
Nov 13 20:29:11 <DocScrutinizer> it starts with G !! >:-P
Nov 13 20:29:29 * ShadowJK remembers solaris
Nov 13 20:29:32 <DocScrutinizer> like Gnome, Gconf...
Nov 13 20:29:33 <MohammadAG> so does Germany :P
Nov 13 20:29:34 <pupnik> anybody near Leicestershire UK?
Nov 13 20:29:45 <DocScrutinizer> sucks as well
Nov 13 20:30:37 * DocScrutinizer ponders to rename grep
Nov 13 20:31:08 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, feel free to come to IL, just bring your armory with you
Nov 13 20:31:14 <nidO> pupnik: define near
Nov 13 20:31:37 <user> /home/user # man man
Nov 13 20:31:39 <user> pager: applet not found
Nov 13 20:31:44 <pupnik> do you ever get near Loughborough nidO ?
Nov 13 20:31:46 <user> gnnnn :(
Nov 13 20:31:48 <DocScrutinizer> install less
Nov 13 20:31:53 <MohammadAG> install less
Nov 13 20:31:59 <MohammadAG> meh, lag!
Nov 13 20:32:12 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: fix that friggin rdepends!
Nov 13 20:32:15 <nidO> pupnik: occasionally not too far from it on the way to other places :p
Nov 13 20:32:38 <DocScrutinizer> though... nah, don't
Nov 13 20:32:52 <DocScrutinizer> it simply depends on $PAGER
Nov 13 20:33:13 <GAN900> Wee, hooray for extra vigilant TSA agents rummaging through and abusing my camera bag.
Nov 13 20:33:13 <DocScrutinizer> I just wonder why $pager -eq less
Nov 13 20:33:27 <frals> airport security eh, gotta love it
Nov 13 20:33:32 <javispedro> GAN900: you're texting while being security-raped? terrorist!
Nov 13 20:33:47 <GAN900> frals, something like that
Nov 13 20:33:51 <user> DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG: thanks, it works now. .deb dependencies broken, as it seems
Nov 13 20:34:00 <GAN900> At least I wasn't selected for a body scan.
Nov 13 20:34:07 <MohammadAG> javispedro, I'm the only terrorist here
Nov 13 20:34:08 <DocScrutinizer> user: see my last post
Nov 13 20:34:13 <frals> helsinki airport the other had turned all their metal detectors to highest sensitivity, there was at least 20 people in a row who had to get the pat down until they changed it again
Nov 13 20:34:21 <DocScrutinizer> actually my last 4 posts
Nov 13 20:35:22 <user> DocScrutinizer: i already tried once to apt-get less, but it didnt work, now it did
Nov 13 20:35:38 <GAN900> TSA does "Enhanced Pat Downs" now.
Nov 13 20:35:49 <DocScrutinizer> user: basically it's up to you as a sysadmin to set proper $PAGER for your users (in this case for yourself)
Nov 13 20:35:55 <GAN900> Which includes bra twisting, evidently.
Nov 13 20:36:28 <user> DocScrutinizer: yes, thats why i mentioned w3m as alternative pager
Nov 13 20:36:31 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: heh, nice show
Nov 13 20:37:19 <user> but Package w3m has no installation candidate
Nov 13 20:37:49 <DocScrutinizer> frals: hehe, too bad if you got tooth fillings
Nov 13 20:38:15 <DocScrutinizer> or rivets on your jeans
Nov 13 20:38:34 <user> well, a good sysadmin could also write his own pager, the day has 24 hours, and if its not enough, theres also the night  :-)
Nov 13 20:38:43 <DocScrutinizer> or a zip
Nov 13 20:38:53 <frals> DocScrutinizer: yeah, anyone with jeans got stuck :(
Nov 13 20:39:01 <MohammadAG> good thing I didn't go then, would've put the airport into defcon 1 :P
Nov 13 20:39:21 <DocScrutinizer> frals: you bet, usually they got one metal button
Nov 13 20:39:32 <DocScrutinizer> plus metal zip
Nov 13 20:41:45 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: is $PAGER set by mandb-n900 postinst script, in some weird manner?
Nov 13 20:42:33 <DocScrutinizer> or could anybody that got neither mandb nor bash do me a favour and check result of >echo $PAGER< please?
Nov 13 20:43:26 <DocScrutinizer> duh, empty for me, nevermind
Nov 13 20:44:02 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: is 'less' hardcoded for pager in man-db-n900?
Nov 13 20:44:27 * DocScrutinizer hopes coffee will kick in eventually
Nov 13 20:44:54 <MohammadAG> hmm, never checked that :P
Nov 13 20:47:31 <DocScrutinizer> please somebody (without mandb less bash) do a >file $(which pager)< for me?
Nov 13 20:47:33 <user> echo $PAGER gives me empty line, echo $SHELL gives me /bin/sh, though man works now, after apt-get install less
Nov 13 20:48:16 <DocScrutinizer> user: mandb uses cmd >pager -s< by default
Nov 13 20:49:07 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# file $(which pager)
Nov 13 20:49:08 <DocScrutinizer> /usr/bin/pager: symbolic link to `/etc/alternatives/pager'
Nov 13 20:49:51 * DocScrutinizer mumbles "update-alternatives, obfuscated concept"
Nov 13 20:50:48 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# file /etc/alternatives/pager
Nov 13 20:50:49 <DocScrutinizer> /etc/alternatives/pager: symbolic link to `/bin/less'
Nov 13 20:52:39 <phryk> Hi there
Nov 13 20:52:49 <phryk> I have problems adding an ical to the calendar.
Nov 13 20:52:58 <phryk> It tells me it would add 63 events but doesn't even add one.
Nov 13 20:53:05 <user> mandb gives me tons of error messages about free hanging symbolic links
Nov 13 20:53:21 <MohammadAG> user, ignore them
Nov 13 20:53:28 <user> ok
Nov 13 20:54:47 <DocScrutinizer> they should only show up once
Nov 13 20:55:17 <DocScrutinizer> dangling?
Nov 13 20:55:28 <MohammadAG> yeah, those
Nov 13 20:55:38 <MohammadAG> I should use 2> /dev/null
Nov 13 20:57:35 <user> maybe its dangling in english error message, i translated from german
Nov 13 20:58:31 <user> mandb: Warnung: /opt/man/man7/create_role.7.gz ist eine freih�ngende symbolische Verkn�pfung
Nov 13 20:59:06 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: @et al: http://pastebin.com/Dj3KJQUG
Nov 13 20:59:09 <DocScrutinizer> :-/
Nov 13 21:00:25 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, the man pages are from ubuntu
Nov 13 21:00:49 <MohammadAG> so unless I can figure out which are dangling symlinks and rm -f them in one go, I won't fix it manually
Nov 13 21:01:08 <GAN900> Boarded!
Nov 13 21:01:31 <MohammadAG> safe trip GAN900
Nov 13 21:01:57 <GAN900> Thanks.
Nov 13 21:02:10 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: don't trigger the self-destruct of plane by IRCing on board
Nov 13 21:06:49 * DocScrutinizer remembers the stuardess getting upset and telling him those devices are forbidden during flight, when he took a photo of that interactive touchscreen integrated into seat backrest. While nearby Chinese happily took pictures of whole family. Maybe was because it's been a Taiwan Airline flying above Easern continent and there's a down-view camera option for those screens :-P
Nov 13 21:09:08 <kerio> i don't get why you're not allowed to use cellphones in airplanes
Nov 13 21:09:15 <kerio> it's not like they work anyway
Nov 13 21:09:18 <DocScrutinizer> eastern continent == China mainland, ex USSR, some other quite angry countries
Nov 13 21:09:34 <DocScrutinizer> kerio: that's exactly the point
Nov 13 21:10:41 <user> yeah, maybe she guessed you planned a DoS by cellphone shockwaves to the sensible board electronics:)
Nov 13 21:10:41 <DocScrutinizer> during take off / landing they tend to blast out max TX which is 2W, and during flight they don't work anyway
Nov 13 21:11:18 <kerio> so it's not "shut down your phones because they could fuck up the plane"
Nov 13 21:11:27 <kerio> it's "shut down your phones because your battery will drain like fuck"
Nov 13 21:11:38 <kerio> a lot of people would happily follow the second one
Nov 13 21:11:39 <DocScrutinizer> they *could* during takeoff landing
Nov 13 21:12:23 <DocScrutinizer> but actually all plane electronics are supposed to be hardened against that, so nothing may happen. Otherwise the plane wouldn't pass tests
Nov 13 21:13:21 <user> Some people get headaches when sitting besides a phone which sends max TX. I am one of these. Its the same in a train which drives into a tunnel. I hate it.
Nov 13 21:13:33 <DocScrutinizer> so recently some airlines got local femtocells inside their planes, which roam to everybody and charge you a fortune, for relaying your call via sat
Nov 13 21:13:52 <user> Often, there are several people at once using the phone in one compartment
Nov 13 21:14:06 <einsteinchen> an whats the "real" reason why people should turn them off?
Nov 13 21:14:11 <kerio> "please don't shut down your phones because for each call you pay us lots of $$$"
Nov 13 21:15:11 <DocScrutinizer> einsteinchen: 'real reason' is general risk management
Nov 13 21:15:39 <user> therefore, in some trains, like the TGV, it is not allowed to do phonecalls, the entry area excepted
Nov 13 21:15:53 <user> TGV++
Nov 13 21:15:55 <DocScrutinizer> there's no use in it anyway, so why check if it harms if you as well can forbid it
Nov 13 21:17:47 <DocScrutinizer> as soon as you got a femtocell tranponder on board, it's not useless anymore, and operation conditions are clearly definable. So it's ok then
Nov 13 21:18:23 <Kegetys> supposedly it can be somehow not so nice to the phone networks below as well, having hundreds of people come and go rapidly from tower to tower
Nov 13 21:18:25 <DocScrutinizer> plus you earn a shitload of money from the idiots who dare to use it
Nov 13 21:18:52 <DocScrutinizer> netsplit?
Nov 13 21:20:00 <DocScrutinizer> Kegetys: you won't connect to ground towers. they have directional antennae which won't pick up really from 10km altitude
Nov 13 21:20:28 <DocScrutinizer> plus airplane is a pretty good faraday cage
Nov 13 21:21:01 <Kegetys> dunno, a friend of mine who works on gsm networks told me it can cause trouble
Nov 13 21:21:12 <DocScrutinizer> could
Nov 13 21:21:30 <DocScrutinizer> but then, what's with highways o.O
Nov 13 21:21:50 <nidO> busses, trains, and cars would be far more of a problem for that, id think
Nov 13 21:22:04 <Kegetys> places that have alot of traffic have alot of towers
Nov 13 21:22:19 <DocScrutinizer> so a lot more handovers :-P
Nov 13 21:22:23 <Kegetys> but you can have an A380 with 500 people on board go over a rural area
Nov 13 21:22:50 <DocScrutinizer> pretty easy, they stay connected (if they were at all) for a prety long time
Nov 13 21:23:20 <DocScrutinizer> Kegetys: nah, that's nonsense
Nov 13 21:23:47 <nidO> still, 10 miles over a rural area. most cells dont stretch 10 miles ground level, let alone straight up, and penetrating an aircraft skin+frame when it gets there
Nov 13 21:24:18 <DocScrutinizer> yes, as I claimed above. Won't connect
Nov 13 21:25:48 <DocScrutinizer> actually, I several times 'forgot' to switch off my cellphone, and visiting logs after flight shows it had not a single BTS in vicinity for whole flight, until ~3min before landing and ~3min after takeoff
Nov 13 21:29:02 <DocScrutinizer> you *can* connet to ground level BTS from even >30000ft altitude - ask SpeedEvil (iirc). But only from baloons that have a GSM module for telemetry with an antenna free to air, not inside a aluminium tube with 20*20cm 'windows'
Nov 13 21:31:46 * DocScrutinizer makes a note to take a shortwave radio with him on his next flight
Nov 13 21:39:11 <Kegetys> well, at least in the usa the FCC seems to have it forbidden for that reason (in addition to FAA ban), but they also say there's insufficient information to determine wether it really can be harmful or not
Nov 13 21:42:59 <Noobmonk3y> MohammadAG, gonna spend 2moro moving to buntu, my only concern is the possible lack of photoshop/CS4!
Nov 13 21:43:20 <MohammadAG> Noobmonk3y, virtual machine?
Nov 13 21:43:26 <MohammadAG> or gimp
Nov 13 21:43:50 <Noobmonk3y> meh....
Nov 13 21:44:00 <Noobmonk3y> neither really great
Nov 13 21:44:01 <nidO> or windoze
Nov 13 21:44:09 <mikki-kun> uhhh, i read something about hostmode just in the rss-feeds (haven't been following hardly since studies started) so, does it "work"?
Nov 13 21:44:35 <DocScrutinizer> ~hostmode
Nov 13 21:44:36 <infobot> i heard hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=869527#post869527
Nov 13 21:44:43 <trumee> mikki-kun: what rss feeds?
Nov 13 21:45:07 <Noobmonk3y> prod is, linux works fine for geeky coding, not great for all my photography and design....
Nov 13 21:45:12 <mikki-kun> of talk.maemo.org
Nov 13 21:45:14 <Noobmonk3y> might vm it....
Nov 13 21:45:27 <trumee> mikki-kun: ah, wasnt aware tmo had rss feeds
Nov 13 21:45:56 <mikki-kun> DocScrutinizer: thanks for the link
Nov 13 21:46:37 <Noobmonk3y> rss feeds are great when not spammy!!!
Nov 13 21:47:11 <mikki-kun> +1 on that
Nov 13 21:47:17 <trumee> mikki-kun: i dont see an option for rss feed on tmo>
Nov 13 21:47:45 <mikki-kun> with the web-browser
Nov 13 21:48:05 <mikki-kun> there you can, when *checking*
Nov 13 21:49:04 <BCMM> Noobmonk3y: adobe?
Nov 13 21:49:11 <trumee> ah, firefox on desktop is giving me an option in url input gox "Subscribe to this webpage...". Hope this is in microb as well
Nov 13 21:49:11 <mikki-kun> when not in fullscreen, press on the plus-button in the lower bar (left of the address-input) and voila, there you can subscribe to the feed
Nov 13 21:49:29 <BCMM> trumee: yeah, i think you get at that through the bookmark button
Nov 13 21:49:37 <BCMM> trumee: y'know, the one with the "+" icon
Nov 13 21:50:01 <BCMM> Noobmonk3y: how much of Photoshop do you use?
Nov 13 21:50:03 <Noobmonk3y> lol!!!
Nov 13 21:50:05 <trumee> BCMM, mikki-kun: thanks
Nov 13 21:50:09 <andax> Noobmonk3y: i got corel draw for linux but it doesnt work on todays linux versions, like kylix. I still have no GPL replacement for it.
Nov 13 21:50:12 <Noobmonk3y> bcmm every day
Nov 13 21:50:17 <Noobmonk3y> and alot
Nov 13 21:50:18 <BCMM> Noobmonk3y: i mean, feature set
Nov 13 21:50:32 <Noobmonk3y> i do hdr photography etc
Nov 13 21:50:44 <lcuk> use n900 :)
Nov 13 21:50:56 <BCMM> GIMP can be used for some HDR methods
Nov 13 21:51:02 <Noobmonk3y> lolloo, nice start not good enough quality
Nov 13 21:51:24 <lcuk> BCMM, he already tried wearing a gimp mask whilst using photoshop
Nov 13 21:51:28 <andax> Noobmonk3y: i think because the tighter release cycles of linux, some sophisticated and important software projects stick wit microsoft or mac
Nov 13 21:51:46 <BCMM> eh? what do release cycles have to do with it?
Nov 13 21:51:58 <BCMM> they go for the larger targets
Nov 13 21:52:06 <Noobmonk3y> lcuk, lol to this, i ust got a 50+ line msg on tmo, starting with "as you are an active developer, i wonder if you could help design".... lol!!
Nov 13 21:52:17 <Noobmonk3y> i agree andax
Nov 13 21:52:36 <BCMM> and i get the impression that some people target OS X and iOS because their users are probably prepared to pay over the odds for stuff
Nov 13 21:52:42 <DocScrutinizer> Noobmonk3y: answer "diapering? burping? what else?"
Nov 13 21:52:54 <Noobmonk3y> windows may notg be great at anything, but it does eveything except deb compiling, hehehe
Nov 13 21:53:17 <Noobmonk3y> lol doc!
Nov 13 21:53:44 <Noobmonk3y> he wants some gps tool, but he's not a tmo noob, so impressed with the tmo message effort!
Nov 13 21:53:48 <andax> BCMM: i would prefer to make my software once and it works for years, but linux releases all software multiple times a year. Many have no fancy to keep their software current in such manner
Nov 13 21:53:50 <BCMM> actually, what do you guys use for processing HDR shot in fcamera? qtpfsgui seems to get them wrong, mostly because the EVs are out of it's range, and i can get a nice effect with masks in GIMP (oh dear), but it's sorta cheating
Nov 13 21:54:08 <BCMM> andax: that's wrong in some subtle ways
Nov 13 21:54:12 <BCMM> also, some obvious ones
Nov 13 21:54:13 <lcuk> andax, huh?
Nov 13 21:54:20 <marmoute> andax: "linux releases all software multiple times a year"
Nov 13 21:54:24 <Noobmonk3y> bcmm, photomatix tbh
Nov 13 21:54:28 <marmoute> linux doesn't release any software
Nov 13 21:54:40 <marmoute> Have you ever heard of Debian Stable ?
Nov 13 21:54:42 <mikki-kun> linux itself is the kernel only
Nov 13 21:54:43 * ShadowJK is still using Fedora Core 10 :-)
Nov 13 21:54:47 <lcuk> make gimp work *well* in existing windows environment and not require massive retrainging
Nov 13 21:54:49 <lcuk> is the issue
Nov 13 21:55:04 <mikki-kun> gnu/linux is what is built arounf the kernel and i guess andax refers to that
Nov 13 21:55:05 <Noobmonk3y> well, prob gonna vm ubuntu i feel
Nov 13 21:55:06 <lcuk> its got sod all to do with release cycles
Nov 13 21:55:09 <BCMM> andax: also, that still isn't correct even if you mean linux distros
Nov 13 21:55:21 <BCMM> regular updates come out, yes
Nov 13 21:55:29 <mikki-kun> but imho, if those changes are needed and helping in having a better system then it is the correct way to do imo
Nov 13 21:55:33 <BCMM> you are probably talking about Ubuntu's release cycle or something
Nov 13 21:55:34 <lcuk> regular updates for many apps come out
Nov 13 21:55:41 <BCMM> you should note that it doesn't involve every single package being updated
Nov 13 21:56:16 <marmoute> BCMM: forget it. security fix is for hype nerd only.
Nov 13 21:56:29 <mikki-kun> some distros don't even have release cycles as gentoo or arch... they are rolling releases and the user decides "do i want this package?"
Nov 13 21:56:30 <andax> marmoute: so, why then do some libs and .so files and whatsoever no longer fit to applicationsets like corel draw, kylix et cetera? why arent there at least sources for php4?
Nov 13 21:56:35 <BCMM> marmoute: what does that mean, and how does it relate to what i said?
Nov 13 21:56:43 <BCMM> updates happen; the difference on windows is that you don't get them automatically in a unified way
Nov 13 21:56:53 <BCMM> and for big applications, you probably don't get them, unless you pay
Nov 13 21:56:58 <andax> in every release some stuff gets lost
Nov 13 21:57:08 <lcuk> patch tuesday
Nov 13 21:57:16 <lcuk> or whatever it is
Nov 13 21:57:22 <BCMM> andax: why would you run php4?
Nov 13 21:57:32 <BCMM> andax: can you buy windows 98?
Nov 13 21:57:48 <andax> and if you dont update, youre the bitched when you have problems to solve, can hear thousand times, have you rwecent cversion? no? we cant help you
Nov 13 21:58:31 <lcuk> me goes and sleeps before #meego conf
Nov 13 21:58:34 <mikki-kun> i must admit since moving to gentoo i have had very few problems with libraries as i built everything from source... and it works fantastic... if i rebuilt some lib and a program is complaining, fine, i will rebuild the program and i have it working with the currently active libraries
Nov 13 21:58:39 <marmoute> andax: go use Debian stable or any other stable distribution.
Nov 13 21:59:07 <andax> BCMM: because there are lots of PHP4 books in my shelf and i wether have no fancy for experiments nor for buying new books
Nov 13 21:59:24 <BCMM> andax: well, your PHP4 will largely still work
Nov 13 21:59:37 * DocScrutinizer thinks the common notion of "release" here is along what Nokia does for maemo. That's basically odd and broken though. And not related to app development in general at all
Nov 13 22:00:03 <BCMM> andax: anyway, are you saying that commercial software is mostly "install and leave alone for years"?
Nov 13 22:00:30 <pupnik> teach kids about mathematics and exponential powers of 2 by making candy!  [ Dragon Beard Candy secret recipe ] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm1ldQ93BFM
Nov 13 22:00:35 <BCMM> the first thing they'll do if you complain about commercial software is ask if you've installed the latest updates
Nov 13 22:00:45 <BCMM> the second thing they'll do is ask you to pay for the next major update
Nov 13 22:00:50 <lcuk> BCMM, oldversions.com exists for a reason.
Nov 13 22:01:43 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: which reason exactly?
Nov 13 22:02:00 <trumee> anybody used Queen Beecon Widget? I would like to start my shell script (which triggers pptp) QBW and kill it as well. Is that possible?
Nov 13 22:02:16 <andax> BCMM, well, some updates are meaningful, but i believe linux degenertes more than it makes progress these days
Nov 13 22:02:23 <BCMM> trumee: i use it, but i don't understand your question
Nov 13 22:02:27 <andax> *degenerates
Nov 13 22:02:50 <BCMM> andax: do you mean linux (the kernel), or your distro?
Nov 13 22:02:57 <trumee> BCMM: i want to start a shell script and send a Ctrl+C to it when i want to stop.
Nov 13 22:03:09 <DocScrutinizer> trumee: so what?
Nov 13 22:03:16 <BCMM> trumee: why not just do killall script instead?
Nov 13 22:03:25 <BCMM> trumee: from queen beecon, obv.
Nov 13 22:03:33 <DocScrutinizer> ctrl-C == killall <yourscript>
Nov 13 22:03:34 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: dont want to use xterm everytime to start my script.
Nov 13 22:03:55 <BCMM> trumee: you can run killall something from queen beecon, just like you run your script
Nov 13 22:04:02 <trumee> BCMM: i have zero experience with QBW (dont even have it installed).
Nov 13 22:04:06 <BCMM> oh, i see
Nov 13 22:04:23 <BCMM> well, one thing it can do is make nice little desktop widgets that execute arbitrary commands
Nov 13 22:04:32 <BCMM> like "sh myscript" and "killall myscript"
Nov 13 22:04:45 <DocScrutinizer> trumee: the problem seems more like you have not much experience with scripting
Nov 13 22:04:47 <trumee> BCMM:yes, that is exactly what i need.
Nov 13 22:05:05 <BCMM> well, i can recommend it
Nov 13 22:05:12 <Noobmonk3y> is it me or does xchat eat the n900's battery!!
Nov 13 22:05:19 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: plenty of scripts here, sir.
Nov 13 22:05:26 <BCMM> Noobmonk3y: are you using GPRS?
Nov 13 22:05:39 <andax> BCMM: both, last time compiling my own kernel was a pain, needed to set dozens of options which i thought do not belong to kernel stuff anyway
Nov 13 22:05:40 <Noobmonk3y> yup...., well 3.5g
Nov 13 22:05:48 <trumee> BCMM: going to give it a go then. cheers
Nov 13 22:06:00 <andax> BCMM: i really have nicer uses for my time
Nov 13 22:06:01 <BCMM> andax: it doesn't sound like you're the sort of person who should be compiling their own kernel
Nov 13 22:06:10 <BCMM> andax: it's pretty much optional on any sensible distro
Nov 13 22:06:25 <BCMM> andax: but i'm interested as to what you thought didn't belong at kernel level
Nov 13 22:06:30 * ShadowJK is still using Fedora Core 10, and the default kernel, which is older than Maemo 5's kernel :-)
Nov 13 22:07:04 <BCMM> i have a nice little setup with queen beecon
Nov 13 22:07:22 <BCMM> i have a desktop widget that when tapped, unlocks my desktop's screen
Nov 13 22:07:30 <DocScrutinizer> trumee: well then, pick one of your scripts that is using a file called /var/run/<yourshellscriptname>.pid
Nov 13 22:07:32 <BCMM> (using passwordless SSH keys)
Nov 13 22:07:37 <BCMM> (and dbus)
Nov 13 22:07:56 <DocScrutinizer> trumee: see how that shellscript is using this special file
Nov 13 22:08:19 <DocScrutinizer> trumee: ...profit
Nov 13 22:09:58 <Noobmonk3y> meh logging off, battery goooooooooing
Nov 13 22:11:23 <andax> BCMM: sorting out stuff like support for particular usb devices supported in kernel, to mention one auch option. And on the other hand i did never understand why i have to rebuild a kernel to get things like parallel port zip drive working.
Nov 13 22:11:32 <andax> Of course, someone can  rarely make it right for everyone.
Nov 13 22:11:41 <DocScrutinizer> trumee: for simple things you'll get away with a simple killall. If you however want to avoid multiple instances of your script getting started accidentally by multi-clicking QB, you will want to have a look at <procname>.pid scheme
Nov 13 22:11:43 <BCMM> andax: how is hardware support not a kernel thing?
Nov 13 22:13:12 * BCMM installs System V on DocScrutinizer's N900
Nov 13 22:13:13 <johnx> (though most sane distros just build every kernel option possible as a module)
Nov 13 22:13:30 <mikki-kun> i can't understand why you thought just activating those parameters were "enough"
Nov 13 22:13:34 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM: are you nuts?
Nov 13 22:13:39 <BCMM> johnx: usually leaving out some of the debugging stuff
Nov 13 22:13:57 <kerio> DocScrutinizer: no, he's BCMM
Nov 13 22:14:01 <kerio> it says so right there
Nov 13 22:14:02 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: thanks
Nov 13 22:14:03 <mikki-kun> you gotta built the kernel, put it into /boot or wherever, tell grub where it lies and have it boot from there
Nov 13 22:14:11 <DocScrutinizer> trumee: yw
Nov 13 22:14:11 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer: sorry, it was a relatively obscure killall-related joke
Nov 13 22:14:18 <BCMM> any solaris users in here?
Nov 13 22:14:22 <mikki-kun> the kernel is the most crucial part of your system...
Nov 13 22:14:32 <mikki-kun> if that breaks nothing will work properly
Nov 13 22:14:38 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM: (solaris) 10 years ago, yes
Nov 13 22:14:54 <DocScrutinizer> when they renamed it from SunOS
Nov 13 22:15:00 <BCMM> well, i'm sure you know what killall does to system V boxen then
Nov 13 22:15:09 <ShadowJK> Solaris too
Nov 13 22:15:27 <BCMM> but maemo's userland is almost, but not quite, than odd
Nov 13 22:15:37 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM: not the slightest idea what you're talkingh about
Nov 13 22:15:41 <BCMM> heh
Nov 13 22:15:52 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer: on solaris, killall kills every process your user can kill
Nov 13 22:16:07 <DocScrutinizer> insane
Nov 13 22:16:14 <andax> BCIMM: hardware support of external devices? This would b getting an eternal task to get a pocket calculator. I am not Sisyphos
Nov 13 22:16:17 <crashanddie> BCMM, DocScrutinizer: more specifically, killall on some unices is a shutdown script
Nov 13 22:16:21 <DocScrutinizer> but I got a sysV based system here
Nov 13 22:16:36 <DocScrutinizer> and it has a nice killall <processname>
Nov 13 22:16:50 <BCMM> hah, i just read teh killall5 man page
Nov 13 22:17:03 <BCMM> i love the way they've actually defined its exit status
Nov 13 22:17:31 <BCMM> andax: what does the external-ness of a device have to do with it?
Nov 13 22:17:39 <BCMM> andax: drivers are part of the kernel
Nov 13 22:18:09 <DocScrutinizer> according to KILLALL (1) the name parameter is mandatory and no wildcards allowed
Nov 13 22:18:52 <DocScrutinizer> and it has been like that for at least 5 years now, on linux
Nov 13 22:19:45 <trumee> hmm. how do i kill root pid as a user.
Nov 13 22:20:46 <trumee> my script called vpn.sh has in it "sudo /home/user/scripts/npv.sh"
Nov 13 22:21:18 <BCMM> trumee: you can execute anything with sudo?
Nov 13 22:21:25 <andax> BCMM: maybe there are tools available for building kernels which are nicer to use, but when you have to decide all possible options already when building the kernel and you have to check these incredibly long lists, you wish that at least external stuff would remain external from the kernel too.
Nov 13 22:21:34 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM: well, I see, linux isn't really a sysV system anymore, it seems
Nov 13 22:21:55 <BCMM> andax: sorry, that doesn't make any sense
Nov 13 22:22:08 <BCMM> andax: whether stuff is in the case or not is not important
Nov 13 22:22:11 <trumee> BCMM: ah. i am being thick. thanks.
Nov 13 22:22:25 <BCMM> andax: for example, many laptops have some USB hardware built-in
Nov 13 22:22:34 <BCMM> andax: and some machines have external SATA drives
Nov 13 22:23:14 <DocScrutinizer> trumee: your script needs a kill parameter, to call same script to kill its own prior instance
Nov 13 22:23:43 <mikki-kun> andax: in doubt, enable all as modules =p
Nov 13 22:23:47 <DocScrutinizer> it's the only proper way to handle that
Nov 13 22:23:51 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: i will use another script to kill the first one :D
Nov 13 22:24:10 <DocScrutinizer> then you need to deal with two entries in sudoers etc
Nov 13 22:24:36 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: yup.
Nov 13 22:25:14 <DocScrutinizer> actually you shouldn't even need to call your script with sudo, your script itself should gain root by calling itself via sudo
Nov 13 22:25:42 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer: yes, a typical linux system has "killall" kill a named process, and killall5 do the crazy thing
Nov 13 22:26:09 <DocScrutinizer> trumee: even more script experience here, sir? ;-D
Nov 13 22:26:15 <internetishard> You guys know of any good productivity apps for maemo?
Nov 13 22:26:16 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: :)
Nov 13 22:27:42 <BCMM> internetishard: what are productivity apps? office stuff?
Nov 13 22:27:52 <internetishard> http://www.dragosroua.com/iadd-for-iphone-ipad/ like this
Nov 13 22:28:32 <BCMM> oh, i see
Nov 13 22:29:01 <BCMM> usually "productivity suite" is a silly word for "office suite£
Nov 13 22:29:43 <BCMM> hah, that page is hilarious! it starts off like some kind of self-help guy
Nov 13 22:31:05 <andax> BCMM: internal USB hardware, sounds awful to me but okay, though i dont get the point why a kernel developer has to decide if some special eechy & scratchy� USB hardware should be supported or not. This is like going to starbucks when you wanted a glass of water
Nov 13 22:31:33 <BCMM> andax: it is possible to implement drivers outside of the kernel tree you know
Nov 13 22:31:33 <andax> it would end up in a satiric comedy
Nov 13 22:31:57 <BCMM> andax: but the drivers that are developed by the kernel team live in the kernel sources
Nov 13 22:32:10 <DocScrutinizer> andax: unix has kernel modules for all that
Nov 13 22:32:16 <BCMM> andax: it's not a matter of "deciding if it should be supported", it has to actually be implemented
Nov 13 22:32:31 <BCMM> andax: and there are some kernel developers who are good at that and like doing that
Nov 13 22:32:36 <DocScrutinizer> you can load arbitrary kernel modules any time, and you also can build new ones for existing kernels
Nov 13 22:33:20 <internetishard> So, know of any apps like that?
Nov 13 22:33:30 <DocScrutinizer> OOo
Nov 13 22:33:32 <DocScrutinizer> ?
Nov 13 22:33:44 <BCMM> there are certain advantages; for example, if a kernel dev working on a drivers finds the kernel's USB subsystem lacking in some respect, they can fix that, and release their driver along with the fixed USB subsystem in the next kernel release
Nov 13 22:33:50 <BCMM> there are also plenty of modules that are developed outside of the kernel sources too
Nov 13 22:33:58 <internetishard> not office-like, I know "productivity" may be confusing terminology
Nov 13 22:34:15 <BCMM> also, sometimes you want certain odd things to be part of the kernel proper (not a module)
Nov 13 22:34:16 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM: they don't have to wait for next kernel release
Nov 13 22:34:25 <BCMM> e.g. booting with a USB root partition
Nov 13 22:34:48 <ShadowJK> BCMM, iirc at one point kernel devs offered to any manufacturer that they'd write drivers for their hw :-)
Nov 13 22:34:50 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer: i meant to modify a part of the kernel, not just to modify the driver
Nov 13 22:34:52 <DocScrutinizer> yep, which nites h-e-n's ass
Nov 13 22:34:56 <ShadowJK> so that it's supported out of box everywhere
Nov 13 22:34:56 <DocScrutinizer> bites*
Nov 13 22:35:07 <ShadowJK> (for free)
Nov 13 22:35:24 <BCMM> andax: basically, on of the things which the kernel team does is make linux work on various hardware
Nov 13 22:35:40 <andax> DocScrutinizer: modules help reducing the tedious task of selecting, though,  the things you need at boot should not be modules, so you cannot go along without making decisions at all.
Nov 13 22:35:41 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: let me guess what's been the result of all that :-P
Nov 13 22:35:50 <ShadowJK> not much
Nov 13 22:35:52 <ShadowJK> :P
Nov 13 22:36:09 <DocScrutinizer> andax: so what?
Nov 13 22:36:28 <DocScrutinizer> that's kinda plain obvous (modulo initrd)
Nov 13 22:36:42 <BCMM> andax: so default to building it all as modules, then go through and fix the very few things you need for boot
Nov 13 22:37:05 <BCMM> that is, your disk controller and your filesystem, basically
Nov 13 22:37:14 <BCMM> on some setups, your graphics adaptor too
Nov 13 22:37:19 <ShadowJK> I thought it automatically "fixed things you need for boot"
Nov 13 22:37:31 <BCMM> eh?
Nov 13 22:37:51 <BCMM> the kernel build system doesn't know whether you have a USB root partition or not
Nov 13 22:37:55 <DocScrutinizer> .configure
Nov 13 22:38:02 <BCMM> anyway, night
Nov 13 22:38:03 <ShadowJK> no but the thing that makes the initrd
Nov 13 22:39:19 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: makeinitrd is a bitch and recently acting up for me another time
Nov 13 22:39:25 <DocScrutinizer> a mega PITA
Nov 13 22:40:19 <DocScrutinizer> but yes, aiui it *should* handle all that stuff automatically - if only it did reliably :-(
Nov 13 22:41:05 <DocScrutinizer> latest kernel update broke my booting process once more, OpenSusue
Nov 13 22:41:32 <DocScrutinizer> initrd missing some sata driver shit
Nov 13 22:41:44 <jacekowski> linux ftw
Nov 13 22:42:05 <andax> i created that kernel with menuconfig according the gentoo manual
Nov 13 22:42:10 <jacekowski> it would be so nice if somebody would decide to create stable driver abi/api
Nov 13 22:42:17 <Voa> back
Nov 13 22:42:27 <andax> DocScrutinizer: that sata driver problem *nnoyed me too
Nov 13 22:43:51 <mikki-kun> hm... i have modules disabled on my kernel... i kinda think it makes the system more solid
Nov 13 22:44:01 <andax> on that box i have installed the os on a usb stick now and load the sata driver afterwards. not a great solution but one that works
Nov 13 22:49:36 * timeless_mbp looks around
Nov 13 22:49:50 <andax> mikki-kun: as long as you do not miss a module :)
Nov 13 22:50:29 <mikki-kun> andax: takes some time finding all the modules, but once you have them you can be sure it does everything you want and nothing you don't want :)
Nov 13 22:50:50 <Funnyface> has anyone ever had any luck trying to connect to the internet over bluetooth with the N900 on windows?
Nov 13 22:51:10 <Funnyface> I think I had it working once, after fiddling with it for a long time, and ever since that I haven't had it working
Nov 13 22:51:37 <korhojoa> you should have stopped fiddling with it when it worked
Nov 13 22:51:57 <mikki-kun> hm... why am i just thinking "windows with _blue_tooth... results in _blue_ screen on death..." x)
Nov 13 22:52:23 <Funnyface> it was the fiddling that got it working, and I didn't change anything until it didn't work.
Nov 13 22:52:50 <Funnyface> on my vista PC, it adds lots of bluetooth devices in my device manager, which get an error and can't start, I can't remember the exact names now
Nov 13 22:52:50 <korhojoa> then you should have fiddled some more!
Nov 13 22:52:57 <andax> mikki-kun: as long as it finds all needed modules by itself it is nice, but if one is missing or not functioning, it can cost you a lot of time to get your system into a working condition
Nov 13 22:53:01 <Funnyface> and on this win7 PC, it doesn't seem to install those devices at all
Nov 13 22:53:27 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, I need some help with part identification
Nov 13 22:53:37 <DocScrutinizer> shoot
Nov 13 22:53:43 <mikki-kun> andax: or just spend more time reading what every parameter does and if something isn't working, search online
Nov 13 22:53:49 <MohammadAG> take out the battery cover, what's the part under the volume rocker/above the camera lens?
Nov 13 22:54:14 <DocScrutinizer> the LEDs?
Nov 13 22:54:26 <DocScrutinizer> or that plastic shit?
Nov 13 22:55:17 <mikki-kun> well, i can only see some LEDs there (two)
Nov 13 22:55:42 <MohammadAG> hmm
Nov 13 22:55:50 <MohammadAG> I think my GPS antenna is broken
Nov 13 22:55:57 <mikki-kun> http://natisbad.org/N900/img/n900-back-opened-scaled.png
Nov 13 22:56:11 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/tuotteet/N900-spare-parts/n900-gps-antenna-assembly-264805
Nov 13 22:56:34 <MohammadAG> plastic shit above the lens DocScrutinizer
Nov 13 22:56:39 <DocScrutinizer> ^^^
Nov 13 22:56:49 <DocScrutinizer> this one?
Nov 13 22:56:54 <MohammadAG> yeah, that's the one
Nov 13 22:57:02 <DocScrutinizer> :-/
Nov 13 22:57:05 * MohammadAG takes a pic of what it looks like
Nov 13 22:57:08 <mikki-kun> that's the gps-antenna?
Nov 13 22:57:32 <DocScrutinizer> well, it says so, no?
Nov 13 22:57:46 <mikki-kun> i've never thought it would look like this
Nov 13 22:57:51 <cehteh> did you expected a parabolic dish?
Nov 13 22:58:13 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Nov 13 22:58:30 <DocScrutinizer> cehteh: thanks :-)
Nov 13 22:58:44 <cehteh> :)
Nov 13 22:59:13 <mikki-kun> cehteh: tbh i thought i'd have somewhere some wlan-cord which is attached to some sattelites coming out from my n900
Nov 13 22:59:59 <cehteh> well .. to be an ultimate geek device, the n900 lacks some antenna connectors yes
Nov 13 23:00:03 <cehteh> wlan at least
Nov 13 23:00:25 <timeless_mbp> DocScrutinizer: so, other than complaining about your desktop platform sucking, did you have comments?
Nov 13 23:00:29 <DocScrutinizer> it has, it's just missing the *holes* to access them :-P
Nov 13 23:00:49 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, do you know how to disassemble that thing?
Nov 13 23:00:59 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_mbp: yeah, get a beer man!
Nov 13 23:01:04 <cehteh> yeah i meant accessiible ones which are speced for more than 10 connection cycles :P
Nov 13 23:01:16 <MohammadAG> I have a feeling that small part of plastic between the power and volume buttons will snap
Nov 13 23:01:28 <timeless_mbp> DocScrutinizer: i'm not in Ireland for a few more hours :)
Nov 13 23:01:30 <mikki-kun> MohammadAG: i saw somewhere a video of a dissasembly of the n900
Nov 13 23:01:31 <timeless_mbp> (and i don't drink)
Nov 13 23:01:40 <mikki-kun> *searching*
Nov 13 23:01:57 <MohammadAG> mikki-kun, tehkseven, with all respect to john, I'd trust an engineer more :P
Nov 13 23:01:58 <mikki-kun> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVEHm325-z8
Nov 13 23:02:04 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_mbp: no reason to threat others with riddles
Nov 13 23:02:11 <mikki-kun> well, it gives you the basics :)
Nov 13 23:02:25 <timeless_mbp> ?
Nov 13 23:02:26 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, (damn it looks dusty in an 8MP cam...) http://i53.tinypic.com/f3rvpu.jpg
Nov 13 23:02:27 <cehteh> MohammadAG: at least he managed to reassemble the device :)
Nov 13 23:03:07 <mikki-kun> MohammadAG: you could try with google-maps to see of it finds your position
Nov 13 23:03:41 <mikki-kun> funnily mine works with google.com/maps/m extremely good
Nov 13 23:03:47 <MohammadAG> GPS isn't a priority here, I can get that fixed, I just want my battery cover to close properly lol
Nov 13 23:04:01 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: didn't you mention your slide was loose or broken or sth?
Nov 13 23:04:20 <mikki-kun> btw, how did you manage to get that done?! Ö.ö
Nov 13 23:04:25 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, that's not cause of the slider
Nov 13 23:04:36 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, I dropped my N900 on gravel the other day
Nov 13 23:04:45 <mikki-kun> ouch >.<
Nov 13 23:04:54 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: the screw in the corner is holding the slider though, as well as GPS ant
Nov 13 23:05:08 <MohammadAG> indeed, only one tiny minor scratch
Nov 13 23:05:11 <MohammadAG> oh fuck
Nov 13 23:05:26 <MohammadAG> hmm
Nov 13 23:05:30 <MohammadAG> broken screw maybe?
Nov 13 23:05:34 <DocScrutinizer> maybe
Nov 13 23:05:49 <DocScrutinizer> disassemble
Nov 13 23:05:53 <MohammadAG> hmm
Nov 13 23:05:58 <DocScrutinizer> inspect parts
Nov 13 23:05:59 <MohammadAG> the screw is actually not holding the GPS antenna
Nov 13 23:06:02 <MohammadAG> (!)
Nov 13 23:06:04 <MohammadAG> it's under it!
Nov 13 23:06:14 <DocScrutinizer> reassemble and check everything fits nicely
Nov 13 23:06:18 <MohammadAG> how do I remove the antenna?
Nov 13 23:06:23 <DocScrutinizer> :-/
Nov 13 23:06:28 <DocScrutinizer> nfc
Nov 13 23:07:11 <DocScrutinizer> actually I think it *does*
Nov 13 23:07:39 <DocScrutinizer> watch that URL I posted *closely*
Nov 13 23:08:09 <DocScrutinizer> you see a hole where the screw goes through
Nov 13 23:08:34 <MohammadAG> sent the pic in PM, since my IMEI is sorta visible
Nov 13 23:08:45 <Termana_> good morning
Nov 13 23:08:53 <MohammadAG> that's the part I'm worried about
Nov 13 23:09:15 <mikki-kun> MohammadAG: put your battery in an your imei is covered ;)
Nov 13 23:10:08 <MohammadAG> mikki-kun, N86 isn't the fastest camera on the market :P
Nov 13 23:10:11 <Termana_> Strange, for some reason everytime I'm forced to release the services enforcer on my nickname
Nov 13 23:10:28 <Termana_> everytime I log on*
Nov 13 23:10:40 <MohammadAG> #freenode :)
Nov 13 23:10:48 <mikki-kun> N86 is the best though x)
Nov 13 23:11:14 <cehteh> http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/62a87ee8ef.jpg  .. wahaha ... that looks so dangerous :)
Nov 13 23:11:14 <MohammadAG> if only it shoots macro video
Nov 13 23:11:30 <cehteh> seen too much etherkillers
Nov 13 23:12:04 <mikki-kun> what the heck?!
Nov 13 23:12:15 <mikki-kun> what is that?! Ö.ö
Nov 13 23:13:11 <mikki-kun> and is the end of the mini-b really toasted?
Nov 13 23:14:11 <cehteh> just an Y adapter and a power supply .. but well it doesnt look sane
Nov 13 23:15:12 <mikki-kun> but the mini looks kinda odd-colored
Nov 13 23:24:18 <andax> mikki-kun: searching the web for a solution for recent solutions is sometimes a gamble. And "someone" has to provide the solution first.
Nov 13 23:24:52 <andax> -"for a solution"
Nov 13 23:28:12 <mikki-kun> that's what IRC is then for ;)
Nov 13 23:28:17 <mikki-kun> if the web doesn't tell me
Nov 13 23:36:33 <andax> Yes. irc is quick and you see who is online and active. Usenet is also quick. It is somehow between irc and email but more complicated to use.
Nov 13 23:37:34 <andax> And many web users do not even know of its existence or believe it is a invention of google aka google groups :)
Nov 13 23:38:53 <DocScrutinizer> Termana: screw services enforcer. It's actually a weird idea/concept
Nov 13 23:42:31 <DocScrutinizer> Termana: I promise I'll check if any Termana user is actually registered and identified, prior to give him chan-op or whatever
Nov 13 23:44:18 <MohammadAG> LOL DocScrutinizer
Nov 13 23:45:02 <MohammadAG> if I had chan-op, I wouldn't check if Termana was id'd, I'd kick him anyways :P
Nov 13 23:45:23 <DocScrutinizer> :-P
Nov 13 23:47:05 <Termana> good morning DocScrutinizer
Nov 13 23:47:13 <Termana> MohammadAG, :P I'll pretend I didn't hear that
Nov 13 23:47:48 <MohammadAG> Termana, you heard it though :P
Nov 14 00:02:09 * MohammadAG wonders if there is a way to check partition type before mounting
Nov 14 00:04:42 * timeless_mbp pokes Termana 
Nov 14 00:05:06 <timeless_mbp> Termana: i gave you a link earlier, could you look at it?
Nov 14 00:06:30 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: none I know of
Nov 14 00:06:59 <DocScrutinizer> except of actual partition-type byte in partition table
Nov 14 00:07:14 <DocScrutinizer> as of *fdisk
Nov 14 00:07:34 <jacekowski> MohammadAG: on linux?
Nov 14 00:07:35 <MohammadAG> meh, I'll let the user figure out shit thne
Nov 14 00:07:37 <MohammadAG> then*
Nov 14 00:07:46 <MohammadAG> or I could modprobe isofs and ntfs at h-e-n launch
Nov 14 00:07:50 <MohammadAG> jacekowski, yes
Nov 14 00:08:00 <jacekowski> jacekowski:~# blkid /dev/md1
Nov 14 00:08:00 <jacekowski> /dev/md1: UUID="42c17aec-3731-4eab-9d06-d9987ddf3fd6" TYPE="reiserfs"
Nov 14 00:08:16 <pronto> woah people still using reiserfs?
Nov 14 00:08:20 <DocScrutinizer> :-) nice
Nov 14 00:08:33 <jacekowski> pronto: there are no better alternatives
Nov 14 00:08:40 <jacekowski> you have old slow ext3
Nov 14 00:08:50 <jacekowski> delayed /dev/null ext4
Nov 14 00:08:57 <jacekowski> fragmenting like a fuck xfs
Nov 14 00:09:03 <luke-jr> ext3 is fast enough for me
Nov 14 00:09:15 <luke-jr> but using a journalled fs on MMC/SD is stupid
Nov 14 00:09:16 <pronto> well at least you have decent enough reasons to be using it xD
Nov 14 00:09:25 <luke-jr> the only real options are ext2 and ext4
Nov 14 00:09:37 <MohammadAG> hmm, awk/cut experts, how do I get only the partition type?
Nov 14 00:09:44 <jacekowski> luke-jr: ext3 in non journaled mode
Nov 14 00:09:53 <MohammadAG> /dev/mmcblk0p1: LABEL="Nokia N900" UUID="4BB1-E781" TYPE="vfat"
Nov 14 00:09:55 <luke-jr> jacekowski: ext3 in non-journaled mode = ext2
Nov 14 00:10:54 <luke-jr> MohammadAG: perl -nle 'm/TYPE="(\w+)"/&&print $1'
Nov 14 00:11:06 <DocScrutinizer> sed s/.*TYPE=\"(.*)\"/$1/
Nov 14 00:11:11 <MohammadAG> awk, not perl
Nov 14 00:11:21 <jacekowski> don't do it in perl
Nov 14 00:11:22 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: that will fail on a trivial input change
Nov 14 00:11:35 <luke-jr> Perl owns u
Nov 14 00:11:59 <jacekowski> blkid /dev/md1 | awk -F\  '{ print $3  }'
Nov 14 00:12:11 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: how's that any worse than your perl hax0ring?
Nov 14 00:12:15 <MohammadAG> jacekowski, sometimes, it's not $3
Nov 14 00:12:21 <luke-jr> fstype="$(eval "$(cut -d' ' -f 2- <<<"$yourcrap")" && echo $TYPE)"
Nov 14 00:12:27 <jacekowski> MohammadAG: then
Nov 14 00:12:29 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: my Perl will work 100% of the time
Nov 14 00:12:37 <MohammadAG> /dev/mmcblk0p1: LABEL="Nokia N900" UUID="4BB1-E781" TYPE="vfat"
Nov 14 00:12:37 <MohammadAG> /dev/mmcblk0p2: UUID="25c470a5-32b9-4e84-b017-5fdb10b2e209" TYPE="ext3"
Nov 14 00:12:37 <MohammadAG> /dev/mmcblk0p3: TYPE="swap"
Nov 14 00:12:48 <DocScrutinizer> unless TYPE= is missing
Nov 14 00:12:55 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: even if it is
Nov 14 00:12:55 <MohammadAG> luke-jr, except when a user doesn't have perl
Nov 14 00:12:57 * GAN900 is in PHI if anybody else is here.
Nov 14 00:13:07 <jacekowski>  for i in `blkid /dev/md1 | gawk -F: '{ print $2 }'`; do export $i;done ; echo $TYPE
Nov 14 00:13:19 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: UHUH
Nov 14 00:13:22 <jacekowski> but that's nasty
Nov 14 00:13:39 <jacekowski> and i never wrote that
Nov 14 00:13:42 <luke-jr> someone pastebin blkid --help for me
Nov 14 00:13:45 <MohammadAG> no gawk by default on the N900
Nov 14 00:14:06 <jacekowski> /bin/sh: blkid: command not found
Nov 14 00:14:06 <jacekowski> You are trying to send an empty document, exiting.
Nov 14 00:14:10 <jacekowski> ehh
Nov 14 00:14:32 <MohammadAG> Nokia-N900:~# blkid -s TYPE /dev/mmcblk0p1
Nov 14 00:14:33 <jacekowski> http://pastebin.com/PZnTE9w2
Nov 14 00:14:34 <MohammadAG> /dev/mmcblk0p1: TYPE="vfat"
Nov 14 00:14:34 <MohammadAG> meh
Nov 14 00:14:35 <jacekowski> here it is
Nov 14 00:14:55 <timeless_mbp> GAN900: !
Nov 14 00:16:13 <luke-jr> blkid -s TYPE -o value /dev/mmcblk0p1
Nov 14 00:16:40 <luke-jr> ?
Nov 14 00:16:46 <jacekowski> hmm
Nov 14 00:16:49 <jacekowski> just check one thing
Nov 14 00:16:53 <MohammadAG> luke-jr, see up
Nov 14 00:16:58 <jacekowski> will it show unknown filesystem
Nov 14 00:16:59 <luke-jr> MohammadAG: see what up?
Nov 14 00:17:02 <MohammadAG> <MohammadAG> Nokia-N900:~# blkid -s TYPE /dev/mmcblk0p1
Nov 14 00:17:05 <MohammadAG> <MohammadAG> /dev/mmcblk0p1: TYPE="vfat"
Nov 14 00:17:06 <luke-jr> MohammadAG: not the same
Nov 14 00:17:31 <MohammadAG> ah, thanks
Nov 14 00:19:03 <MohammadAG> so, what does it show for ntfs and isofs?
Nov 14 00:22:02 <DocScrutinizer> who knows
Nov 14 00:22:19 <DocScrutinizer> no blkid on my x86 box
Nov 14 00:22:40 <jacekowski> it's root only program
Nov 14 00:22:42 <jacekowski> from /sbin
Nov 14 00:23:00 <fcrochik> GAN900: ping
Nov 14 00:27:18 <TermanaDesire> timeless_mbp: briefly. There were a couple of things. Can you pm me the link and ill quickly skim over it to see what I was going to say to you
Nov 14 00:27:42 <timeless_mbp> sure
Nov 14 00:30:31 <TermanaDesire> timeless_mbp: bare with me doing multiple things so typing slow. The first thing I though was that you should move the meego conference logo on the initial slide. It looks strange where it is. Possibly put it at the top and the devices in order down the bottom
Nov 14 00:30:43 <TermanaDesire> Thought. *
Nov 14 00:36:21 <TermanaDesire> timeless_mbp: "what's a till roll" saying "what is a till roll" would be better. Potentially capitalize IS to place more emphasis on that
Nov 14 00:37:03 <timeless_mbp> so, someone just told me about official slide templates
Nov 14 00:37:22 <timeless_mbp> so right now i'm taking the art from the initial slide, making it transparent, and adding it to the template :(
Nov 14 00:37:28 <timeless_mbp> this isn't "fast"
Nov 14 00:37:47 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: please kick me!
Nov 14 00:38:33 <TermanaDesire> timeless_mbp: also that slide should actually show the menu item otherwise it will confuse people what you're talking about
Nov 14 00:38:33 <DocScrutinizer> /dev/sda3: UUID="785632A756326652" LABEL="Data" TYPE="ntfs"
Nov 14 00:38:55 <timeless_mbp> ok
Nov 14 00:39:01 * jacekowski slaps DocScrutinizer 
Nov 14 00:39:20 <timeless_mbp> TermanaDesire: sadly the n8x0 view was "better" in that you could see the till roll and the menu a the same time
Nov 14 00:39:34 <timeless_mbp> the n900 theme + menu behavior *sucks* for this :)
Nov 14 00:39:44 <timeless_mbp> but yeah, i can switch that
Nov 14 00:41:51 <andax> luke-jr: not to forget jfs is in many cases more efficient than ext3 ext4
Nov 14 00:42:42 <internetishard> where is the conf file for ntp? I'd like to see how it was setup
Nov 14 00:48:12 <andax> luke-jr: "JFS journals metadata only, which means that metadata will remain consistent but user files may be corrupted after a crash or power loss. JFS' journaling is similar to XFS where it only journals parts of the inode." (wikipedia)
Nov 14 00:49:17 <DocScrutinizer> halley:/etc # blkid /dev/sr0
Nov 14 00:49:18 <DocScrutinizer> /dev/sr0: LABEL="SGH-i900" TYPE="iso9660"
Nov 14 00:49:48 <DocScrutinizer> doesn't show up in <default> all devices list of blkid w/o parameters
Nov 14 00:50:24 <TermanaDesire> timeless_mbp: where you talk about in the slides about "your" and "me and my" it might be handy to circle those bitsin some way so they stand out. But since you'll be talking with the slides this isn't entirely necessary
Nov 14 00:50:49 <timeless_mbp> TermanaDesire: there's a slide where i blow them up
Nov 14 00:50:56 <timeless_mbp> but i can circle them as i did in earlier slides
Nov 14 00:52:35 <timeless_mbp> TermanaDesire: should i circle on the original slide
Nov 14 00:52:38 <timeless_mbp> or only the blow up slide?
Nov 14 00:52:51 * timeless_mbp tries circling on the blow up slide
Nov 14 00:53:21 <TermanaDesire> timeless_mbp: I think both bit if you only do it on one do it on the small one
Nov 14 00:53:31 <TermanaDesire> But *
Nov 14 00:54:34 <timeless_mbp> ok, i've circled it on the first slide
Nov 14 00:54:41 <timeless_mbp> the slides should be relatively live
Nov 14 00:54:49 <timeless_mbp> so if you go back, hopefully you see the updates
Nov 14 00:55:33 <andax> jacekowski: ext3 in non-journaled mode = (afaik) ext2
Nov 14 00:55:59 <jacekowski> andax: not exactly
Nov 14 00:56:03 <TermanaDesire> timeless_mbp: on history / navigation there's a slight spelling error. It reads "can the content seen by anyone" it should say "can the content be seen by anyone" (add the be)
Nov 14 00:56:37 <jacekowski> andax: journall is still there and can be used
Nov 14 00:56:43 <timeless_mbp> TermanaDesire: got a slide number?
Nov 14 00:56:53 <timeless_mbp> 34?
Nov 14 00:57:00 <timeless_mbp> got it
Nov 14 00:57:17 <jacekowski> andax: or in writeback mode
Nov 14 00:57:23 <jacekowski> andax: where journal is almost unused
Nov 14 00:59:07 <andax> jacekowski: that may be, but i did read to make a ext3 from a ext2 you only add the journal thingie, or remove it to make a ext2 from a ext3
Nov 14 00:59:24 <andax> i never did it, though :)
Nov 14 01:03:32 <TermanaDesire> timeless_mbp: yep 34 sorry for slowness ;p
Nov 14 01:03:39 <timeless_mbp> no problem
Nov 14 01:07:44 <sp3000> the what message?
Nov 14 01:09:38 <TermanaDesire> On 42 for the dot point "ask people..." there's a couple of things - first there's a spelling error "it fails aks" should be asks, second there should be a - instead of a comma between translations and when and third, I hope you plan to talk about what you mean by round tripping translations (eg. Round trip them to a set of people or what?) Since the text doesn't really explain exactly what you meant there
Nov 14 01:12:28 <timeless_mbp> TermanaDesire: actually it should be "ask" not "asks", but thanks for catching the transposition :)
Nov 14 01:13:02 <timeless_mbp> hrm, yeah, i'll have to explain that
Nov 14 01:13:45 <timeless_mbp> is it better to use "Telephone" to describe that?
Nov 14 01:14:22 <timeless_mbp> rewritten, but the problem is that it's too long
Nov 14 01:16:41 <TermanaDesire> timeless_mbp: I think its fine what's written as long as you just give a short explaination about what you mean while talking
Nov 14 01:17:04 <timeless_mbp> hrm, it's already changed :(
Nov 14 01:17:15 <timeless_mbp> bullet points should really be bullets
Nov 14 01:17:18 <timeless_mbp> i'll have to explain them anyway
Nov 14 01:17:18 <timeless_mbp> ]
Nov 14 01:17:28 * timeless_mbp stares at the meego template
Nov 14 01:19:58 <TermanaDesire> timeless_mbp: other than removing the slides that say they need to be removed in big letters (;p) everything else looks fine to me. Hopefully I helped in some form :)
Nov 14 01:20:15 <timeless_mbp> you did
Nov 14 01:20:18 <timeless_mbp> thanks
Nov 14 01:24:10 * timeless_mbp ponders
Nov 14 01:24:11 <timeless_mbp> so um
Nov 14 01:24:20 <timeless_mbp> how do i replace a slide deck?
Nov 14 02:48:34 <Gh0sty> hmm I just got problems with my camera but there was also an update for the power kernel
Nov 14 02:48:56 <Gh0sty> seems to have fixed it but when I reboot the n900 now I get a u-boot console
Nov 14 02:49:14 <Gh0sty> saying something like mmc0:3 is invalid
Nov 14 02:49:24 <Gh0sty> filesystem corrupt?
Nov 14 02:51:11 <TermanaDesire> Gh0sty: take out your SD card and boot
Nov 14 02:51:41 <TermanaDesire> Gh0sty: put it back in when it finishes booting
Nov 14 02:52:24 <Gh0sty> what should that do?
Nov 14 02:53:04 <TermanaDesire> Gh0sty: make it boot
Nov 14 02:53:54 <TermanaDesire> Gh0sty: its trying to find a kernel and boot it on your SD card. Removing it means it wont try and do that
Nov 14 02:53:56 <Gh0sty> it boots alright
Nov 14 02:53:59 <Gh0sty> even with the SD card
Nov 14 02:54:07 <Gh0sty> it's just that the U-boot screen is new
Nov 14 02:54:15 <Gh0sty> before it happened without the U-boot
Nov 14 02:54:36 <TermanaDesire> Gh0sty: right u-boot was integrated with the new power kernel
Nov 14 02:54:58 <TermanaDesire> Its suppose to happen
Nov 14 02:55:01 <Gh0sty> aah  ok
Nov 14 02:55:18 <Gh0sty> yes that explains something
Nov 14 02:55:37 <Gh0sty> the error I see is not a problem, its just trying to find another kernel on SD card like the meego videos showed :)
Nov 14 02:57:13 <Gh0sty> but anyway the power kernel from yesterday or the day before was pretty bad
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