**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 14 02:59:59 2010 Nov 14 04:08:50 I think someone has assassinated everyone in close association with maemo/meego. Not a peep Nov 14 04:08:51 ;p Nov 14 04:09:48 I killed them all with my bare hands Nov 14 04:11:09 come over, eat my MTHEL Nov 14 04:21:52 andax: so? Nov 14 04:40:53 luke-jr: is there all there is to it? Nov 14 04:48:25 Where is DAVE????? Nov 14 04:50:20 fredrin: Dave who? You mean David? Nov 14 04:51:28 Unless you mean Dave Neary. Nov 14 04:51:52 But just Dave means nothing, even in all capitals Nov 14 04:54:49 TermanaDesire, nah, more that i miss Dava from the Openmoko days Nov 14 04:55:11 never mind Nov 14 05:13:51 dave vanished Nov 14 05:14:32 nobody ever told me what happened to him. Just his army of bats still living here Nov 14 05:37:39 X-Fade: all generated 'downloads' graphs seems to stop at the end of july atm Nov 14 06:39:17 hey Nov 14 06:39:20 lcuk: ? Nov 14 06:39:27 is TV out on the n900 mirror only? Nov 14 06:39:31 or is there a way to abuse it? Nov 14 06:55:45 I hope there is a better Dropbox client for Fremantle? Nov 14 06:56:26 s/\?$/./ Nov 14 07:05:07 timeless abuse is possible at least using xvideo yuv mode Nov 14 07:05:22 cute Nov 14 07:06:01 would it be practical to have speaker-notes + navigation on the n900 screen and a slide set on TV out? Nov 14 07:06:14 (from a readability perspective and from a performance perspective) Nov 14 07:07:53 timeless, considered it, yeah it would be good to try but best is to use wireless linked apps bcause then you can walk. Nov 14 07:08:15 i have a nervous feeling about trusting videoout after the fail last time Nov 14 07:08:30 was i there for fail? Nov 14 07:08:36 idk Nov 14 07:08:40 where? Nov 14 07:08:42 when? Nov 14 07:08:48 2 devices both did not work on big screen Nov 14 07:08:55 2009 summit Nov 14 07:11:09 a'ok Nov 14 07:25:44 Hello Nov 14 07:25:55 is it possible to actually view the N900's screen on the laptop Nov 14 07:26:01 like it's done on the TV Nov 14 07:26:02 lcukn900: missing 50R termination? Nov 14 07:26:28 xDaReaperx: vnc Nov 14 07:26:34 okay Nov 14 07:26:37 oh yeah Nov 14 07:26:39 thanks Nov 14 07:27:05 VNC is in Dev repos ? Nov 14 07:28:06 nvm Nov 14 07:37:34 doc idk. Nov 14 07:37:45 boarding Nov 14 07:38:21 MohammadAG: you around? Nov 14 07:38:56 anyone tried using the usb host mode? aka h-e-n Nov 14 07:39:06 i dont know where it mounts the drives Nov 14 07:39:11 Huh? Hen is already in testing? Nov 14 07:39:36 in devel Nov 14 07:39:45 but it is supposedly beta status Nov 14 07:43:06 "GM stated that the 2011 Buick Regal will have the auto industry's fastest processor: 128Mhz, and 3MB of flash." Nov 14 07:43:43 [sidenote: They still produce these Regals in 2011!] Nov 14 07:57:15 lo Nov 14 07:57:17 l Nov 14 07:59:59 Seems to me that that means they are using sloppy code; no way a car needs a processor that fast. An entertainment system or GPS etc, sure, but what is essentially a fixed-function device that just changes spark advance and fuel, and monitors a handful of sensors? Nov 14 08:06:37 hrm, graphics editors are hogs Nov 14 08:06:48 * timeless_mbp closed an app using ~1.4gb of private memory Nov 14 08:06:51 =ram Nov 14 08:09:36 Personally, I'd prefer them take ram/swap than use a custom cache-file; It's one thing if you are low on memory, but when you have 4GB of ram and 12 of swap, and(in my case) Gimp uses your harddisk preferentially... Nov 14 08:11:42 i have 4gb of ram Nov 14 08:11:57 1gb of which is typically reserved by the kernel for my primary file system Nov 14 08:12:25 * timeless_mbp waits for a web browser to garbage collect a presentations application Nov 14 08:12:42 in this case though, i had a graphics app w/ 0 open documents Nov 14 08:12:42 i t Nov 14 08:13:04 i think it kept open its undo buffers from previously opened documents... Nov 14 08:13:21 huh, that's odd Nov 14 08:14:12 it wasn't particularly helpful, i'll give you that :) Nov 14 08:59:35 Hi Nov 14 08:59:37 guys i have easy debian Nov 14 08:59:51 but when i trie to do this : ./debmee Nov 14 09:00:02 it says not found Nov 14 09:03:18 morning Nov 14 09:04:15 hi.. probably me being stupid. but on contact screen. you can edit a user and put in a field called facebook. what do we have to type in there? or we need the facebook username so we can use that to chat with them? or what do we have to put i there? Nov 14 09:14:22 Woo, Dublin! Nov 14 09:17:29 hi.. probably me being stupid. but on contact screen. you can edit a user and put in a field called facebook. what do we have to type in there? or we need the facebook username so we can use that to chat with them? or what do we have to put i there? Nov 14 09:18:47 i beat on FB username instead of real name Nov 14 09:19:17 ok.... so have to the fb username of every user then. or they have to create one. then I know that. thanks Nov 14 09:29:36 hello comrads! Nov 14 09:33:13 anybody modified the xterm key bar using gconftool-2? Nov 14 09:34:00 For some strange reason my full screen icon does move to the extreme right. Nov 14 10:45:44 DocScrutinizer2, ping Nov 14 10:46:23 afternoon Nov 14 10:46:39 aghhhh ffs... Nov 14 10:46:45 there is any command witch turns ON the keyboard lightning, independent from anything? Nov 14 10:47:13 pc being used by the gf's sister, who hmoved out... grrrrr..... want to move to linux today! Nov 14 10:47:25 necc yes Nov 14 10:47:48 but its on my pc which i cant get too, the script is in the tmo forums though Nov 14 10:49:12 MohammadAG, ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, suse etc etc? ubuntu a sensible starting point? Nov 14 10:49:38 bearing in min the blonde missus will be using it!! Nov 14 10:49:51 then ubuntu is probably a good bet. Nov 14 10:50:09 ubuntu!!! Nov 14 10:50:24 Ubuntu? Nov 14 10:50:24 kde is meh, at least imo, xubuntu is for very slow devices Nov 14 10:50:33 suse is RPM Nov 14 10:50:37 Noobmonk3y: suse's a nice place to start imo Nov 14 10:50:38 You should throw like Slackware or Gentoo or Arch Linux on that thign Nov 14 10:50:40 thing* Nov 14 10:50:41 cool, ubuntu it will be.... Nov 14 10:50:43 :P Nov 14 10:50:51 lol term Nov 14 10:51:03 Gentoo Nov 14 10:51:13 FTW! Nov 14 10:51:18 ive found solutions to the windows software i need :( (wine) Nov 14 10:51:18 I can recompile what I want, no need to recompile everything Nov 14 10:51:46 and I don't want to wait 10 minutes for a kernel to install Nov 14 10:51:50 the ideal solution for windows software is sticking with windows :P Nov 14 10:51:50 and that's with -j 6 Nov 14 10:51:51 lol Nov 14 10:52:06 hmm, might be traveling, I need to plan shit if I do Nov 14 10:52:07 i'm going for simple is best for my missus Nov 14 10:52:23 people hate on gentoo too much :P Nov 14 10:52:26 yeah nido, but not for qt development Nov 14 10:52:31 and i hate vm's Nov 14 10:52:32 cool... it seems that my keyboard LEDs are completely dead... fiaso+emmc reflash and they still does not work even in a darkroom Nov 14 10:52:43 1) remote SSH scratchbox 2) keyboard + mouse on N900 3) Qt Creator on the N900, somehow... Nov 14 10:52:48 that dont sound good necc Nov 14 10:52:59 lol mo Nov 14 10:54:05 does itunes run in linux? :) the missus has 40gb of music :) Nov 14 10:54:11 however i not found any script/command, i read that putting out the battery for a few minutes may help Nov 14 10:54:25 well its not like itunes even runs in windows so you're not missing much Nov 14 10:54:54 MohammadAG, can you show necc the keyboard light script pls Nov 14 10:55:46 afaik though Noobmonk3y_, itunes will run through wine Nov 14 10:56:33 * frals slaps Noobmonk3y_ around a bit with a large trout Nov 14 10:56:33 Noobmonk3y_, I really like rythmbox Nov 14 10:56:45 lo frals! Nov 14 10:57:03 mohammadag, but i need the itunes library working Nov 14 10:57:54 itunes bah! Nov 14 10:58:20 :) Nov 14 10:58:21 throw out your apple shit Noobmonk3y! ;) Nov 14 10:58:21 Qt Creator sucks on a netbook Nov 14 10:58:22 also im getting trolled on tmo, i need to stop posting :( Nov 14 10:58:29 * MohammadAG dumps idea of taking netbook Nov 14 10:58:38 frals, noticed that lol Nov 14 10:58:43 frals, trying to move to liux, vut the missus etc use itunes Nov 14 10:59:03 vut? you remind me of some accent :P Nov 14 10:59:05 i've never used or owned anything appley :) Nov 14 10:59:11 Noobmonk3y_: virtualbox has usb passthru Nov 14 10:59:16 ? Nov 14 10:59:18 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=632950&postcount=14 Nov 14 10:59:33 Noobmonk3y_: hes basically saying use a vm. Nov 14 10:59:34 Noobmonk3y: have a virtual windows in virtualbox and she can use itunes, it wont work properly in *nix Nov 14 10:59:41 Noobmonk3y, he means you can run iTunes in a vm Nov 14 11:00:04 meh meh meh Nov 14 11:00:16 i <3 the forums, type in any word, and you will find a billion topic about disgussing exactly the same problem... Nov 14 11:00:17 will give her a laptop ?0 Nov 14 11:00:40 oooo wow, necc, you fiound my post lol Nov 14 11:01:30 * Noobmonk3y_ wants the gf's sis to leave so i can get on with the move Nov 14 11:01:43 :D Nov 14 11:02:30 theyre faffing ordering broadband, phone, a fridge and tv licence for over an hour! Nov 14 11:02:34 bah need to learn finnish so i can order another monitor for my desktop Nov 14 11:04:29 lol, google translate frals? Nov 14 11:04:50 Noobmonk3y: it fails on https usually :( Nov 14 11:04:57 i have 94 19 inch screens in storage at the mo lol Nov 14 11:05:54 meh Nov 14 11:05:58 xchat died Nov 14 11:06:04 speaking of 19 inch screens, I had to laugh at some mp's response to scottish prisoners having 19" lcd tellies being ordered for prisoners Nov 14 11:06:07 why the hell do you have 94 19"? :P Nov 14 11:06:23 frals, i wish i knew :) Nov 14 11:06:34 unorganised work peoples Nov 14 11:06:38 Noobmonk3y_: oh dear - TV license. Your in one of THOSE countries ;p Nov 14 11:06:44 Why doesnt Copy/Paste in maemo5 work like in standard linux. Selecting a text should automatically copy to the clipboard! Nov 14 11:06:46 hould be shifting em next week Nov 14 11:07:05 I hate this Mark text and Copy. Nov 14 11:07:10 lol TermanaDesire i work for the national health service (hospitals etc) Nov 14 11:07:33 frals, Tarvitsen 22 "Samsung monitori ja kymmenen taimenta kiitos Nov 14 11:08:16 22 bah! ;) Nov 14 11:08:30 oo oyay a pc! Nov 14 11:08:32 ten trouts in that sentence too :P Nov 14 11:08:49 * Noobmonk3y slaps Noobmonk3y_ with a big fat trout Nov 14 11:09:50 is openoffice the best office suite on linux? Nov 14 11:09:59 and will it read most msoffice docs etc? :) Nov 14 11:10:00 koffice! Nov 14 11:10:01 yes, I think Nov 14 11:10:13 meh, koffice? Nov 14 11:10:18 aslong as one works i'll be happy Nov 14 11:10:52 Noobmonk3y i <3 u! Nov 14 11:11:02 your script made my lights working! Nov 14 11:11:08 lol wasnt mine Nov 14 11:11:13 you can thank MohammadAG / lcuk Nov 14 11:11:19 one of those two had the brains Nov 14 11:11:33 now that is the question how the f*ck the keyboard lights does not worked after fiasco+emmc reflash? Nov 14 11:11:40 DocScrutinizer2: ? :) Nov 14 11:11:47 thats a q for you ;) Nov 14 11:12:09 hmmm tomtom software? lol - linux or wine'able? Nov 14 11:12:19 w8 something is still bad Nov 14 11:12:26 going to the darkroom again.. Nov 14 11:12:40 Necc, reinstall mce I suppose Nov 14 11:13:04 MohammadAG: fiasco+emmc should do that right? Nov 14 11:13:19 well, i did test the h-e-n tool Nov 14 11:13:20 yes, it's weird, but worth a try Nov 14 11:13:21 seems to work Nov 14 11:13:32 i mounted one of those "dead drop" usb sticks Nov 14 11:14:03 but there might be a high rate of errors happening when communicating with the usb devices, because every one i tried resulted really slow speeds Nov 14 11:16:28 Gorroth, it's not a desktop :P Nov 14 11:16:50 MohammadAG: lier Nov 14 11:16:54 OMFG! Nov 14 11:17:00 Itunes wont shut down, goes and reloads lol! Nov 14 11:17:09 piece of crap Nov 14 11:17:10 Noobmonk3y, ok, the N900 is a desktop :P Nov 14 11:17:40 that's a disgrace to crap Nov 14 11:18:34 :) Nov 14 11:18:55 and keyboard lights still on even after reboot \:D/ ... and now comes the damn long process of restoring the system... Nov 14 11:19:06 lol necc Nov 14 11:19:18 right, back to the n900 - i'm ready for the buntu rebuild! Nov 14 11:23:01 * Noobmonk3y waves g'bye, wish me luck! Nov 14 11:23:18 good luck Nov 14 11:23:24 you're gonna need it :P Nov 14 11:23:31 lol Nov 14 11:23:33 MohammadAG: yes, it's not a desktop, but you'd expect no more errors on a fully functioning USB host mode controller. i know it's beta and just thought the feedback would help Nov 14 11:23:48 s/errors on/errors than on/ Nov 14 11:23:49 Gorroth meant: MohammadAG: yes, it's not a desktop, but you'd expect no more errors than on a fully functioning USB host mode controller. i know it's beta and just thought the feedback would help Nov 14 11:24:02 Gorroth, hmm? errors? didn't notice those Nov 14 11:24:14 I did notice slow speeds, but that's kinda normal imo Nov 14 11:24:33 well, i just assume there are errors. the kernel was saying some things about it. i just assumed there were bit errors or device errors happening and causing resets Nov 14 11:24:34 how slow Nov 14 11:24:59 well, it was really really slow. i noticed the most problems when i tried to do "cp -r" Nov 14 11:25:01 20 minutes to copy 2.46GBs to a sandisk flash Nov 14 11:25:02 HOWEVER Nov 14 11:25:17 Copying small files can be slow Nov 14 11:25:17 i also noticed it didn't work too quickly when i just did a simple "find /media/sda1" Nov 14 11:25:35 so maybe it's just slow traversing the file system on those devices. i'm not sure what the real issue is Nov 14 11:25:58 First step. Nov 14 11:26:04 Try same from desktop Nov 14 11:26:23 by "not work too quickly", i mean i didn't even see "find" show me even a single file name. Nov 14 11:26:24 then do speed tests of the raw block device from desktop and n900 Nov 14 11:26:28 after 3 minutes Nov 14 11:26:50 SpeedEvil: well, i don't think i need to do that, because the n900 was orders of magnitude slower Nov 14 11:26:53 Did you log the errors? Nov 14 11:27:03 SpeedEvil: hmm, my n900 might have somewhere Nov 14 11:27:05 Also - try with another USB stick? Nov 14 11:27:10 yeah, i tried 3 sticks Nov 14 11:27:31 i was noticing the errors in dmesg Nov 14 11:27:53 btw, i'm not saying "this sucks". i'm just providing feedback Nov 14 11:28:06 it did let me do some really basic stuff on one of those dead drops Nov 14 11:30:51 eeeeek installing Nov 14 11:32:21 yay, broke my Qt install Nov 14 11:32:48 with easy debian? Nov 14 11:33:00 lol Nov 14 11:33:17 mohammadag did you install windows? Nov 14 11:33:21 what does easy debian do anyway? Nov 14 11:33:39 Gorroth, erm, runs a cut debian os Nov 14 11:33:41 with easy debian you can simply kill your QT apps in maemo Nov 14 11:33:46 ieatlint, desktop Nov 14 11:34:06 ooops Nov 14 11:34:16 Noobmonk3y_, no, I upgraded the SDK Nov 14 11:34:18 sorry ieatlint didnt mean to mention you Nov 14 11:34:24 lol mohammadag Nov 14 11:34:35 oh, i see Nov 14 11:34:51 maemo and the n900 is already slow enough. i don't think i'd want another OS inside my OS Nov 14 11:35:07 gorroth, it also allows you to run openoffice etc directly on the n900 albeit a bit slow Nov 14 11:35:25 mind you, it's only a chroot Nov 14 11:35:26 the image file (debian-m5-v3d.img.ext2) mounts and uses /home/user paralelly with maemo. if you change any QT specific settings inside debian LXDE, you will simply kill the maemo QT apps interface too Nov 14 11:35:59 fuck, maemo target gone Nov 14 11:36:08 openoffice is definitely not something i'd want to run even on a desktop Nov 14 11:36:09 lol! Nov 14 11:36:20 Gorroth, works pretty well tbh Nov 14 11:36:25 no Nov 14 11:36:27 no, it does not Nov 14 11:36:44 openoffice caused data loss with M$office 2003 files Nov 14 11:36:48 Gorroth, how do you know my opionion? it does for me.... Nov 14 11:36:58 opinion* Nov 14 11:37:01 no, it's just a fact it isn't good Nov 14 11:37:12 that's why i've got Pages, latex, and MS Word Nov 14 11:37:40 that sounds saucey to me (a non linuxy user, well for 5 more mins) Nov 14 11:37:55 well openoffice not compatible with MSoffice, whatever they saying, but it is still usefull for simple document editing Nov 14 11:38:04 hmmmmm Nov 14 11:38:21 any linux office suites that will open ms files? Nov 14 11:38:26 yeah, i'm so non-linux that i didn't use it on my desktop for over 5 years and use it in many forms today Nov 14 11:38:39 like, you know, on two phones Nov 14 11:38:45 and servers, and what not Nov 14 11:38:51 ? Nov 14 11:38:57 me you numpty not you Nov 14 11:39:05 Noobmonk3y_, OpenOffice works fine I have no fucking idea what Necc is talking about Nov 14 11:39:07 yeah Noobmonk3y_, openoffice. it has problems with like 0.05% of ms office content, and will tell you when that's the case Nov 14 11:39:07 whatever that means Nov 14 11:39:21 Noobmonk3y_: with openoffice you can read MS office files, but if you do not want to risk any data loose/incompatibility after, do not write/save it Nov 14 11:39:23 cool, ty nidO , Termana Nov 14 11:39:39 yeah, Necc is right Nov 14 11:39:46 Gorroth, i was saying i'm not a linux user, wasnt talking about you! Nov 14 11:39:56 Noobmonk3y_: oh. i misunderstood Nov 14 11:40:04 yup, noticed lol Nov 14 11:40:22 i'm currently installing ubuntu lol, hence the 5 minutes part Nov 14 11:40:45 i'm talking about my boss installed openoffice (under linux), edited a corporational .xls file with important datas inside, saved it, and the next day we wasn't able to find a tons of data inside the .xls file because stupid idiot openoffice DELETED DATA FROM THE XLS FILE that's what i'm talking about, if i wasn/t clear before Nov 14 11:40:59 and hence the open office q's Nov 14 11:41:27 Necc, tbh, ms office kills its own files quite happily, doesnt need more hlp from OO hehe Nov 14 11:41:27 Necc so you mean when it asked him what data format to save it as, he selected odf or something rather than its' original excel format. Nov 14 11:41:34 luser error doesnt make oo shit Nov 14 11:41:45 nidO, do you smell what I smell? Nov 14 11:41:58 nidO, smells like.... Nov 14 11:42:00 * Termana sniffs Nov 14 11:42:01 OMG it wasn't an user error, deal with it Nov 14 11:42:05 Yep it is Nov 14 11:42:11 IT WAS NOT! Nov 14 11:42:12 WE GOTS US SOME WINDOWS FANBOIS Nov 14 11:42:18 lol! Nov 14 11:42:28 * Noobmonk3y_ sits back n laughs Nov 14 11:42:46 i'm fucking pissed now, i'm so happy that some retarded people tells me i lie... thanks alot Nov 14 11:43:13 and all i did was ask a few q's lol! Nov 14 11:43:16 just to make you linux fanbios sure: we reproduced the dataloss! Nov 14 11:43:23 All the MeeGo people leave and now we get this. It's just great, it really is. Nov 14 11:43:28 it was a bug and not an accident Nov 14 11:43:32 but for now, i'm off Nov 14 11:43:38 calm down children! Nov 14 11:43:45 lol! Nov 14 11:44:01 Noobmonk3y_, I have a way of making people like me Nov 14 11:44:05 :P Nov 14 11:44:06 openoffice was an accident :-/ Nov 14 11:44:15 I find the whole loonix/windaz assumptions over oo amusing, mainly as I always run oo on my WINDOWS workstation. Nov 14 11:44:16 a terrible terrible accident Nov 14 11:44:22 it should have been abort()'d Nov 14 11:45:00 Gorroth, I see............ Lotus Notes fanboi! Nov 14 11:45:02 :P Nov 14 11:45:12 i don't even know what that looks like Nov 14 11:45:42 Maybe I need to explicitly declare sarcasm tags Nov 14 11:46:01 me too Nov 14 11:47:06 ~lart Gorroth Nov 14 11:47:06 * infobot blames Gorroth for all the evil in the world Nov 14 11:47:54 * NooBmonk3y is on ubuntu, tadaaaaaaaaaaaa Nov 14 11:48:03 now to set the bugger up! Nov 14 11:48:05 that's right. now please get in line for your TSA pat-down Nov 14 11:48:23 we will be "meeting resistance" in the groin Nov 14 11:48:36 NooBmonk3y: congratulation Nov 14 11:48:50 ty einsteinchen Nov 14 11:48:53 NooBmonk3y, welcome to the darkside - we have cookies Nov 14 11:49:27 surely the dark side, of this channel at least, would be centos. Nov 14 11:49:35 lol brb Nov 14 11:49:44 centoslinux is here now Nov 14 11:49:49 watching you Nov 14 11:49:58 opensuse Nov 14 11:50:02 :) Nov 14 11:50:06 sure it is, i've got like 20 ssh sessions open to my centos systems Nov 14 11:50:06 lovely Nov 14 11:50:14 Ubuntu 4 ever Nov 14 11:50:18 good xchat is now setup :) - 1 tick out of 100 lol Nov 14 11:50:25 no, i mean centoslinux is actually in the channel, watching you do your business Nov 14 11:50:36 btw very nice xchat on maemo Nov 14 11:50:44 nooooo, xchat is terrible Nov 14 11:50:47 on maemo Nov 14 11:50:55 it doesn't even have a UI optimized for the device Nov 14 11:51:01 Gorroth, I am going to kick your arse bitch Nov 14 11:51:04 what better? Nov 14 11:51:06 :D Nov 14 11:51:20 xchat on Maemo is the best mobile IRC client Nov 14 11:51:20 EVAR Nov 14 11:51:21 Gorroth, do you actually like anything? :P Nov 14 11:51:32 i think so Nov 14 11:51:33 NooBmonk3y, your mum Nov 14 11:51:43 :D Nov 14 11:51:45 Just sayin. Nov 14 11:51:55 Termana, thats a bit of sick necrophilia i'd say Nov 14 11:52:12 NooBmonk3y, oh. ouch. sorry Nov 14 11:52:16 ;) Nov 14 11:52:34 NooBmonk3y: yes. i like OS X, my nexus one, my girlfriend, my dogs, my car, my life, mostly things related to me Nov 14 11:52:43 meh fair enough Nov 14 11:52:50 OS X and Nexus One Nov 14 11:52:52 That said it all Nov 14 11:52:59 :P Nov 14 11:53:04 yeah, it said i'm practical :) Nov 14 11:53:08 may i ask, if not rude, why #maemo? Nov 14 11:53:16 Mac fail -.- Nov 14 11:53:38 i have an n900 Nov 14 11:53:46 hmmm first things first to move the window menubar buttons back to the right lol Nov 14 11:53:48 oh cool :) Nov 14 11:53:50 Gorroth: you'll never be free again with OS X ^^ Nov 14 11:54:04 einsteinchen, don't start him off lol Nov 14 11:54:06 einsteinchen: yeah, i'm so not free, i'm not using macports and foss software on it Nov 14 11:54:13 it's just terrible Nov 14 11:54:40 Gorroth: don't get me wrong, im just not into mac, thats all ;) Nov 14 11:54:43 amnesty international will be saving you shortly ;) Nov 14 11:55:07 einsteinchen: yeah, i figured Nov 14 11:55:18 isn't amnesty international a fund for hobos? Nov 14 11:55:37 uh Nov 14 11:56:03 oh, human rights. close enough. hobos have rights too Nov 14 11:56:06 lol Nov 14 11:57:34 Gorroth: why are you using an android phone and OS X? Nov 14 11:58:03 why not an iPhone too? Nov 14 11:58:22 guys , one video clip is missing in my N900 , is there any way of recovering it , btw my phone went off several times due to lack of power Nov 14 11:58:26 wheres the relationship? Nov 14 11:58:32 phone != computer Nov 14 11:58:33 i just like how OS X lets me have a fully functioning unix system while still letting me do all the fun desktop things everyone on windows and os x an do without all the hassles i had for >5 years on a linux desktop Nov 14 11:58:48 and i use android becuase it's just plain better than the iphone, which i did use for 1.5 years or something Nov 14 11:59:04 oh, except for making money. i made way more cash on iphone apps than android Nov 14 11:59:30 hmmm how to set auto join channels in xchat? Nov 14 11:59:43 ok Nov 14 11:59:47 favorites Nov 14 11:59:54 i like my google maps on android and other things it can do Nov 14 12:00:15 NooBmonk3y, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Packaging is it good or can it be improved? Nov 14 12:00:22 yea, thats great, i have a HTC Magic Nov 14 12:00:33 but its a bit slow ^^ Nov 14 12:00:44 wow MohammadAG , gimme an hour or so, will install qt and try it! :) Nov 14 12:00:52 yeah Nov 14 12:01:09 MohammadAG, how do i set xchat to autojopin channels? Nov 14 12:01:17 but im using CM 6, thats the fastest OS for now Nov 14 12:01:20 s/autojopin/autojoin Nov 14 12:01:23 speaking of linux desktop though, i wanna get my big desktop setup with kubuntu, but only if the ATI drivers are any good for my SLI'd GPUs Nov 14 12:01:42 and next week, im getting my N900! :) Nov 14 12:01:48 einsteinchen, yay!! Nov 14 12:01:48 and if i can run starcraft 2 under it or a win 7 VM at good rates on ultra settings Nov 14 12:02:02 NooBmonk3y, right click a channel and add to favs Nov 14 12:02:13 NooBmonk3y: ty Nov 14 12:02:24 Gorroth: ATI drivers for a SLI setup? Nov 14 12:02:41 ty MohammadAG Nov 14 12:02:43 einsteinchen: i honestly don't think you'll like using the N900 over your android phone for everyday phone-and-date kinds of things. it's just not as usable like that. i do find it to be a really good pocket computer with a 3g modem though Nov 14 12:02:57 s/phone-and-date/phone-and-data/ Nov 14 12:02:57 Gorroth meant: einsteinchen: i honestly don't think you'll like using the N900 over your android phone for everyday phone-and-data kinds of things. it's just not as usable like that. i do find it to be a really good pocket computer with a 3g modem though Nov 14 12:03:35 iDont: yeah, i have a Radeon 5750 and Radeon 5770 working in tandem via SLI (sort of like they work as one card) Nov 14 12:03:46 yay works Nov 14 12:03:55 brb reboot Nov 14 12:03:55 the correct marketing term is "crossfire" for amd Nov 14 12:03:59 Gorroth: i dont want to replace my android, maybe later, if the n900 works fine for me Nov 14 12:04:10 Gorroth: You know SLI is the multi-GPU technology from Nvidia? ATI uses Crossfire Nov 14 12:04:58 whatever. it's just semantics. they're both the same idea Nov 14 12:05:19 yep :P Nov 14 12:05:31 :) Nov 14 12:05:50 Oh great, battery is on critical. Don't have a charger ... Nov 14 12:06:02 I wonder if I can use the N800 as a charger Nov 14 12:06:10 lol Nov 14 12:06:26 i wonder if the TSA would let you through security with those connected together Nov 14 12:06:29 alterego: IIRC there is a video showing the N8 charging the N900 Nov 14 12:06:30 might look suspicious Nov 14 12:06:43 ahem... "suspicious" Nov 14 12:06:50 I don't have an N8 Nov 14 12:07:03 oh, i'd like an N8, but only if it had meego Nov 14 12:07:12 and if meego was further along in development Nov 14 12:07:22 Well, as both the N8 and N800 have USB host mode? Nov 14 12:07:38 Or am I wrong there? (don't own a N800) Nov 14 12:07:49 Yeah, does. Nov 14 12:07:54 Well N8 has OTG Nov 14 12:08:11 if meego ends up with a great voice nav app and sync'ing to google email/calendar, i think we'll be in business on my ened. that could replace my nexus one. i'd also like USB OTG and all that other fancy stuff too Nov 14 12:08:33 alterego: N900 also has rudimentary OTG; i tested it tonight. still slow though Nov 14 12:08:42 but getting there! Nov 14 12:08:57 No it doesn't Nov 14 12:09:02 N900 does not have OTG Nov 14 12:09:07 OTG is not host mode. Nov 14 12:09:11 oh Nov 14 12:09:17 It has hacked USB host mode Nov 14 12:09:19 i thought OTG was basically just host mode Nov 14 12:09:24 No Nov 14 12:09:35 ok Nov 14 12:09:57 OTG is a usb specification designed for devices that are portable and want to switch between being a host and a peripheral. Nov 14 12:10:14 ahhh thats better, max/min/close buttons back to the right! Nov 14 12:10:19 It's a spec that the N900 doesn't adhere to. Nov 14 12:12:38 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Packaging how about now? :) Nov 14 12:13:08 I have an N900, and it's not exactly rocket science Nov 14 12:13:13 err, N8 too Nov 14 12:13:19 Gorroth, nokia c7 Nov 14 12:13:24 I charged an N900 from another N900, so what? Nov 14 12:13:33 MohammadAG, i think we need to work on a separate page for each file explaining the lines, options etc and what they do Nov 14 12:13:34 (yes, I really tried that) Nov 14 12:13:41 pexi: huh? Nov 14 12:14:18 Gorroth, that's a nice smartphone with better keyboard than n900 Nov 14 12:14:20 Well, I'm lacking anything wkith a micro usb connector. Nov 14 12:14:26 NooBmonk3y, manual pages(!) Nov 14 12:14:30 sec Nov 14 12:14:36 MohammadAG: for the usb host mode on the n900, is it using standard linux drivers for that or a patched kernel? Nov 14 12:14:53 i might take a look at the driver and see if i can track down what's making it slow for me Nov 14 12:14:54 A patched kernel Nov 14 12:15:04 okay Nov 14 12:15:09 lol MohammadAG Nov 14 12:15:32 pexi: ah, okay. i wouldn't know, as i only have one nokia device Nov 14 12:15:41 Though if you have kernel hacking skills, you are welcome to look at the patches. Nov 14 12:16:51 yeah, i have a bit, but not as much as the guy that wrote the original patch Nov 14 12:16:57 but i will still look at it Nov 14 12:16:58 Gorroth, though c6 is cheaper Nov 14 12:16:59 any recommendations for ubuntu ftp client software? Nov 14 12:17:16 ftp Nov 14 12:17:34 pexi: hmm, okay. i'm confused why you're telling me though; i'm not looking for other nokia phones or any phones for that matter :) Nov 14 12:17:40 ncftp Nov 14 12:17:53 yeah, c6 is the phone, c7 was touchscreen Nov 14 12:18:23 well. if u want voice nav with googleapps Nov 14 12:18:29 ahhhh, okay Nov 14 12:18:30 offline voicenav Nov 14 12:18:36 and real keyboard Nov 14 12:18:51 well maybe the n9 or e7.. Nov 14 12:18:56 well, i'm going to wait for the N9 to see what it has. i already have the nexus one so don't need anything else for normal phone/data use for now Nov 14 12:19:06 NooBmonk3y, e.g dh_install - install files into package build directories Nov 14 12:19:37 Gorroth, k Nov 14 12:19:39 or if meego on the n900 comes with that stuff, that'll be good too. i probably won't buy an n9 then and will just wait for the next gen after that Nov 14 12:21:13 DocScrutinizer, i found out what was going wrong with NickServ btw Nov 14 12:23:54 k, charged a device from the N900, do I get a noble piece prize? Nov 14 12:25:15 MohammadAG, yes Nov 14 12:26:09 what we really need is USB network adaptor support, so we can connect two n900s together and SSH to one over USB then SSH back to the other over wlan Nov 14 12:26:09 MohammadAG, you know how much of a noob i am.... Nov 14 12:26:24 MohammadAG, normally it's PEACE prize, but I suppose you can go tell everyone you brought PIECE - expect the police on your door though Nov 14 12:26:34 Downloaded qt, and trying to run in ubuntu - getting "There is no application installed for executable files" Nov 14 12:27:14 i dloaded the linux 32 file btw Nov 14 12:28:00 anyone? :| Nov 14 12:29:36 NooBmonk3y: does the install file have +x? Nov 14 12:30:04 ahhh Nov 14 12:30:05 ty Nov 14 12:30:13 changed the permissions to allow it to run lol Nov 14 12:30:18 didnt expect to have to do that! Nov 14 12:30:27 pretty sure linux is at version 2.something, not 32 Nov 14 12:30:29 * BCMM ducks Nov 14 12:30:39 * NooBmonk3y quacks Nov 14 12:31:15 the message isnt really clear, its basically telling you the system cant execute the file itself (no permissions) and there's nothing else on the system thatll execute the file so it doesnt know what to do with it Nov 14 12:31:29 ahhh, Nov 14 12:31:36 * NooBmonk3y is just to used to windows, download and run Nov 14 12:31:54 i understand the permissions thing, just really didnt expect to have to set it to be 'runnable' Nov 14 12:32:15 hmmm buntu also seems to be running quite slow meh Nov 14 12:33:02 NooBmonk3y: it's a very good system imho Nov 14 12:33:20 an execute permission prevents all sorts of problems Nov 14 12:33:24 sure it is :) - i'm just gonna hit randoms that i'm not used to this week :) Nov 14 12:33:32 for example, it makes it pretty hard to accidentally execute an email attachment Nov 14 12:33:44 trying to tell the gf about this is gonna be hard! Nov 14 12:34:31 hmmm external hard disk not recognised :| eeeeek Nov 14 12:34:44 probably because it was setup in wodnows, but it has all my stuff on it :| Nov 14 12:34:48 windows* Nov 14 12:35:09 ahhh found it Nov 14 12:37:22 hello maemo users. Nov 14 12:37:51 alterego, got any examples on Qt daemons? :) Nov 14 12:37:57 im a new user, just come to hang out and learn more about the system / N900. :) Nov 14 12:39:14 welcome HRH_H_Crab :) :) Nov 14 12:40:12 good place to learn btw ;) - although alot of this room are currently at the meego conference :P Nov 14 12:40:35 silly windows user. its a channel, not a room. Nov 14 12:40:45 well, that brings me on to a (possibly) interesting question... Nov 14 12:41:17 :) Nov 14 12:41:26 ive added extras-devel (for pc-connectivity-manager) and now i have a linux framebuffer boot display, which mentions uboot Nov 14 12:41:34 nidO, on ubuntu do i need to add anything to get qtcreator to connect to the n900 - hmmmmmmm Nov 14 12:41:36 can ping it fine Nov 14 12:41:56 i presume that im now in a position to do something with meego on my mmc and i can dual boot? Nov 14 12:42:18 HRH_H_Crab, have to admit, not done the meego thing yet :| - someone here has i'm sure lol Nov 14 12:42:18 im not really planning to do it yet. Nov 14 12:42:25 just learning how the device works. Nov 14 12:42:33 there is a wiki guide somewhere Nov 14 12:42:40 HRH_H_Crab: yes, if you've installed uboot you can get meego going, im not terribly current on it but afaik ill still need to be installed to an SD card, not the emmc Nov 14 12:42:53 aah Nov 14 12:43:33 its a pretty amazing device. Nov 14 12:43:49 it is very very cool! Nov 14 12:43:52 im used to things like zaurus and nslu2 but to have this sort of control over a phone is kind of overwhelming. Nov 14 12:43:58 had mine almost a year, still learning new stuff :) Nov 14 12:44:05 it's keyboard is crummy though :( Nov 14 12:44:09 lol nidO Nov 14 12:44:20 nidO: i have massive fingers Nov 14 12:44:33 and im finding it a bit uncomfortable Nov 14 12:44:33 i'd literally empty out my bank account to nokia for the n900's internals in an E90, and with a working mail client. Nov 14 12:44:36 * NooBmonk3y cant get QT to speak to the n900 :( Nov 14 12:44:37 but it is getting a bit better Nov 14 12:44:43 ssh is on, device is pingable :| Nov 14 12:45:00 can you ssh to it? Nov 14 12:45:15 erm, hold on let me try Nov 14 12:46:14 nidO, yes Nov 14 12:46:31 ahaaaaaaaaaa Nov 14 12:46:35 developer password not working Nov 14 12:46:38 that may b why! Nov 14 12:46:48 that would help Nov 14 12:46:56 reset it Nov 14 12:46:58 muhahaha Nov 14 12:47:09 reset it, but still denied Nov 14 12:47:10 hmmmmmmmmm Nov 14 12:47:32 but qt is working Nov 14 12:47:33 lol yay! Nov 14 12:48:42 thanks nidO Nov 14 13:08:08 * NooBmonk3y is back Nov 14 13:40:01 anyone here use GPE calendar? Nov 14 13:44:35 any app around that triggers the camera after a delay? Nov 14 13:44:40 for maemo5 that is Nov 14 13:44:49 not sure, good q though Nov 14 13:47:52 Hi, can anyone tell me why http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/www2sms/1.1.5/ keeps telling "Warning: This package has missing dependencies!" Nov 14 13:48:12 because the package has a missing dependency Nov 14 13:48:58 nidO: no it has not Nov 14 13:49:06 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/python-mechanize/0.2.4maemo0/ Nov 14 13:49:21 is also in devel-overlay so it does not have a missing dep Nov 14 13:50:19 guys how do I get rid of U-boot? :< reinstalling the kernel-flasher doesn't work Nov 14 13:50:21 so where is the logic behind this message? Nov 14 13:59:18 any app around that triggers the camera after a delay? Nov 14 13:59:18 for maemo5 that is Nov 14 13:59:22 cli launcher I think Nov 14 13:59:26 or something, it's in the repos Nov 14 13:59:37 but it delayed a bit too much that I missed two shots once, so I removed it Nov 14 13:59:48 would rather take more time to start the flash than take more time to open the camera Nov 14 14:00:54 hmmh cli not a bad idea Nov 14 14:00:58 i had no idea you can do that Nov 14 14:01:12 i hope i dont have to use some dbus thingy? Nov 14 14:01:31 got docs? Nov 14 14:02:29 * slonopotamus started rebasing diablo patches on top of 2.6.22 Nov 14 14:02:43 * slonopotamus -omap1, actually Nov 14 14:04:58 * NooBmonk3y blinks Nov 14 14:05:12 * NooBmonk3y wonders how the meego conference is going :) Nov 14 14:06:14 2.6.21 blocks some stuff from updating (and things will get worse over time). we already lost ability to upgrade udev, bluez, network-manager Nov 14 14:06:24 brb reboot Nov 14 14:07:05 noob, windozer? :) Nov 14 14:11:22 what do we have in infobot to represent the current sad state of affairs with Maemo, I need a quick text (short) that shows the sarcastic view dos1 always provides Nov 14 14:11:25 err Nov 14 14:11:35 DocScrutinizer: ^ Nov 14 14:11:42 DocScrutinizer51: ^ Nov 14 14:12:03 S/dos1/ DocScrutinizer51 / Nov 14 14:12:09 lol Nov 14 14:12:14 :) Nov 14 14:13:32 he showed me once how to speak with it in private Nov 14 14:13:35 how do I do that? Nov 14 14:13:38 (with infobot ) Nov 14 14:13:58 * sivang PMs infobot Nov 14 14:15:15 ~kick sivang Nov 14 14:15:16 * infobot kicks sivang Nov 14 14:16:07 http://www.johnsphones.com/store/johns-phone-white/item24 Nov 14 14:16:09 my next phone Nov 14 14:17:52 sivang: are you drunk? or on mushrooms? Nov 14 14:19:43 lol jacekowski !!! Nov 14 14:19:47 i like! Nov 14 14:19:58 3 weeks battery life Nov 14 14:20:08 more if you keep it turned off :) Nov 14 14:20:25 brb pizza! Nov 14 14:22:14 What special does mussorgsky does that media-player sees all album art? Nov 14 14:23:07 Well, he wrote "Pictures at an Exhibition", so presumably... Nov 14 14:23:15 I want to do whatever it does using easytag. Nov 14 14:24:13 Suppose I'm using dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr /com/nokia/HildonDesktop/AppMgr com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr.LaunchApplication string:"filebox" to open filebox, how would i pass arguments with dbus? Nov 14 14:24:26 I have tagged all my music using easytag, but mediaplayer only sees some of the album-art. After updating it using mussorgsky it sees all album art. What is it doing special? Nov 14 14:24:42 jacekowski: ROTFL for the pictograms on green and red X-P Nov 14 14:25:07 NooBmonk3y: actually, no Nov 14 14:25:28 NooBmonk3y: if you turn it off, and only on when you use it, the battery will go faster than just leaving it idle when not in use Nov 14 14:25:33 lol! Nov 14 14:25:41 jacekowski: I prefer http://www.johnsphones.com/store/johns-phone-business/item45 Nov 14 14:25:53 so tunr it off now, and back on in 6 weeks? i count that as, well not functional, but lasting longer lol Nov 14 14:26:04 the power to boot/shutdown significantly outweighs the power used left idle Nov 14 14:26:10 luke-jr: depends Nov 14 14:26:21 NooBmonk3y: maybe if you don't use it regularly Nov 14 14:26:31 NooBmonk3y: but remember that batteries DO discharge on their own, if not used Nov 14 14:26:36 luke-jr: the claimed 3 weeks standby are BS when traveling anyway Nov 14 14:27:03 DocScrutinizer: sure. but 3 weeks is quite possible if you only use it occasionally, and never online Nov 14 14:27:14 errr Nov 14 14:27:22 before I got a SIM card, I saw battery life that long Nov 14 14:27:40 lol Nov 14 14:27:50 DocScrutinizer: a bit hungry, but just that :) Nov 14 14:28:03 3 weeks is possible with N900 and mugen, but ONLY if you *never* move the device so no cell handovers Nov 14 14:28:41 I was using standard battery. Nov 14 14:28:55 and again, no SIM ☺ Nov 14 14:29:09 the battery barely moves if you leave it in Offline Mode still Nov 14 14:29:33 so like I left my N900 at my wife's apartment last night… just had her put it in Offline Mode Nov 14 14:29:40 bet it will be still full battery when I go get it Nov 14 14:30:00 sure Nov 14 14:30:20 it will be next to full in a week Nov 14 14:30:59 * luke-jr wonders what the rate of idle discharge is, in comparison with normal battery discharge over time Nov 14 14:31:32 N900 idle, no TX? Nov 14 14:31:40 actually, a couple of times, I've seen the battery level *increase* in Offline Mode… Nov 14 14:31:41 right Nov 14 14:31:46 completely 100% idle Nov 14 14:31:56 maybe 5mA Nov 14 14:32:03 I was thinking a % Nov 14 14:32:12 lol - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11742236 Nov 14 14:32:16 like it discharges at 200% the rate of no-connect-on-battery or such Nov 14 14:32:20 or maybe less Nov 14 14:33:01 * luke-jr ponders if ARM can make a SoC that runs off solar power on a handheld Nov 14 14:33:04 self-discharge of LiIon isn't really bad, maybe 5..10%/month Nov 14 14:33:22 5mA is easy, eh? Nov 14 14:33:33 ~ 1350 / 5 Nov 14 14:33:33 270 Nov 14 14:33:49 ~270 / 24 Nov 14 14:33:50 11.25 Nov 14 14:34:28 I bet with suspend to ram you get even much better values Nov 14 14:34:34 SpeedEvil: ^^^? Nov 14 14:34:41 whut, the camera is a v4l device? that solves things ... Nov 14 14:34:55 aep: actually, yes Nov 14 14:35:00 lol Nov 14 14:36:09 luke-jr: for such funny things like marathon standby record hunting, you should disable things like breating light, and make sure g-meter is "off" Nov 14 14:36:53 how about h-meter Nov 14 14:36:59 or i-meter Nov 14 14:38:41 sivang: so what makes you think my sarcasm is targeted against a suggested sad state of maemo? Nov 14 14:38:45 luke-jr: depends how fast you want it to be Nov 14 14:38:58 luke-jr: my ARM based fluke meter lasts over 100h on 6x AA Nov 14 14:39:09 luke-jr: Don't forget the e-meter. Nov 14 14:39:13 sivang: actually I think maemo is in better shape than any of the alternatives Nov 14 14:39:18 j-meter Nov 14 14:39:32 For optimal power saving, make sure to keep your thetan levels low. Nov 14 14:39:42 DocScrutinizer: Gentoo‼‼! Nov 14 14:39:54 luke-jr, LFS ! Nov 14 14:40:07 OpenMoko! Nov 14 14:40:14 ubuntu Nov 14 14:40:20 luke-jr: i-meter and j-meter are in bq27200 and can't get disabled Nov 14 14:40:21 * luke-jr glares at jacekowski Nov 14 14:40:35 if only I knew what's h-meter Nov 14 14:40:42 DocScrutinizer: I was making up crap. Nov 14 14:41:41 luke-jr: and I took you on a ride by taking you serious Nov 14 14:42:01 DocScrutinizer: see, this is why OpenMoko failed! Nov 14 14:42:08 hahaha Nov 14 14:42:36 DocScrutinizer: nono, you got my wrong :) Nov 14 14:42:49 * luke-jr steals sivang's wrong from DocScrutinizer Nov 14 14:42:56 hehe Nov 14 14:42:59 * alterego contemplates making a little Qml tips & tricks web page. Nov 14 14:43:04 * luke-jr feeds it to derf Nov 14 14:43:11 heh Nov 14 14:44:08 aep http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Camera_Sensor Nov 14 14:47:55 why doesn't X restart when it's killed on the N900... Nov 14 14:50:19 MohammadAG: because you enabled R&D ? Nov 14 14:51:03 without R&D it restarts the device, not X Nov 14 14:51:06 luke-jr: actually the J-meter is *not* in bq27200 or bq24150. Rather it's the ALS Nov 14 14:52:27 also, got filemanger to auto open after a flash is mounted, mount.sh of course, on exit 0 of mount Nov 14 14:52:32 I¶ve been looking in the wiki if there is a way to test maemo in an emulator, but couldn't find anything relevant. is it possible? Nov 14 14:52:47 MohammadAG, buntu is a bit slow and laggy :| Nov 14 14:53:07 not an emulator, but natively, yes Nov 14 14:53:09 ~maemosdk Nov 14 14:53:09 well, maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation Nov 14 14:53:15 NooBmonk3y, blame your PC! Nov 14 14:53:25 well, tisnt great but was perfectly fine on w7 Nov 14 14:53:26 :| Nov 14 14:53:36 Well, it does have an emulator too :) Nov 14 14:53:37 just playing a flash game, and aghhhhhhhh Nov 14 14:53:54 oh, that's flash itself, not ubuntu :P Nov 14 14:53:59 ooh, h-meter is implemented by N900fly Nov 14 14:54:03 flash isn't graphically accelerated on linux afaik Nov 14 14:54:08 ohhhhhhhhhhhh Nov 14 14:54:13 no wonder its pants Nov 14 14:54:46 h meter? Nov 14 14:55:03 h meter? Nov 14 14:55:17 free fall? Nov 14 14:55:24 MohammadAG: well, my X restarts iirc, though it actually restarts the whole device :-P Nov 14 14:55:24 need 7 sats for that? Nov 14 14:55:29 No - h meter measures planks constant. Nov 14 14:55:38 SpeedEvil: hahahaha Nov 14 14:55:45 DocScrutinizer, yep, as I said above Nov 14 14:55:51 I only want X to restart Nov 14 14:56:38 SpeedEvil: right now the h meter is running a simulation of the universe collapsing to understand its formation better? Nov 14 14:57:12 MohammadAG: given the number of elementary services started as x-session processes, I'd think it's probably impossible to restart X properly without a full reboot Nov 14 14:57:34 wfm on ubuntu :P Nov 14 14:57:47 best theory i heard was that we were actually within the event horizon of a huge black hole :) Nov 14 14:58:04 MohammadAG: or at least that's been the rationale of Nokia devels, when they implemented it that way Nov 14 14:58:23 Macer: The universe has approximately the right density for one. Nov 14 15:00:43 arghhh darn flash on ubuntu Nov 14 15:00:47 its ruining my golf game! Nov 14 15:03:12 enjoying your windows alternative? :p Nov 14 15:03:36 Macer: you know it's possible to tunnel across the event horizon Nov 14 15:04:06 indeed it is, I've done it once Nov 14 15:04:18 of course for a black hole the size of our universe, this effect is *extremely* rare Nov 14 15:05:04 nidO, all apart from a) not got the windows progs running yet, b) external hard disk is hidden (well not easy for the missus to find), c) flash is rubbish! Nov 14 15:06:17 for black holes the size they think they see in LHC, this tunneling effect reduces lifespan of the entity to less than is needed to acregate a single new elementary particle Nov 14 15:10:02 does anyone know how to flash the n900 if the flasher does not find the n900? (i did the apt-get dist-upgrade... :( ) Nov 14 15:10:12 :| Nov 14 15:10:18 but lol to running that Nov 14 15:10:20 flash it using a system that isnt win7 x64 Nov 14 15:13:32 roadi: start flasher, then plug in powered-off N900 Nov 14 15:17:10 Macer: see Bekenstein-Hawking radiation Nov 14 15:17:56 DocScrutinizer stop lying to people Nov 14 15:19:00 Doc: Accept the Tentacled One, you heathen! Nov 14 15:19:20 cthulhu or the FSM? Nov 14 15:19:33 OR BOTH?!?! Nov 14 15:19:51 roadi, download ubuntu live cd Nov 14 15:19:57 and use flash manual Nov 14 15:20:01 ~flashing Nov 14 15:20:02 somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 14 15:20:08 ~flash Nov 14 15:20:09 well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 14 15:20:16 kerio, chtulhu Nov 14 15:21:12 Hi, Is there anything in particular that I should look when buying a Nokia N900.? Nov 14 15:21:25 Hehe, some libertarian fools propose to make the busiest air travel day of the year "the national opt-out day" where everyone opts out of the scanner and goes to strip searchers Nov 14 15:21:28 jase21: err Nov 14 15:21:53 Speaking of shooting oneself in the foot... Nov 14 15:22:31 that's :o) Nov 14 15:22:49 DocScrutinizer: Ok. Nov 14 15:22:57 i would liek to volontuer to work at this day Nov 14 15:23:08 Software errors right? Nov 14 15:23:14 jase21: ok what? Nov 14 15:23:19 jase21, yes there are made in china and korea Nov 14 15:24:39 jase21: sorry, I don't get your point Nov 14 15:24:41 If Maemo boots and if there isn't any glitch, I can assume that its fine. Is there any way to detect errors in specific? Nov 14 15:24:58 which errors? Nov 14 15:25:26 DocScrutinizer: You meant error isn't it? err <- error? Nov 14 15:26:23 jase21: it's been suggested to check FM TX immediately after purchase, as there've been 2 reports (or 3) about the transmitter not working in hw Nov 14 15:26:36 jase21: I meant errrhm Nov 14 15:27:25 DocScrutinizer: Hah! Okay. I misinterpreted it. Okay, I'll test that. Nov 14 15:28:05 jase21: but there's nothing special you can actually do. Just test the device thoroughly in all aspects, not too long after purchase Nov 14 15:28:46 DocScrutinizer: Okay. Nov 14 15:29:00 headphones, FMTX, FMRX, WLAN, CIR, PC connectivity (USB)... Nov 14 15:29:16 BT Nov 14 15:29:17 jase21 just don't buy it Nov 14 15:29:21 buy something else Nov 14 15:29:21 DocScrutinizer, is there a better way? : Nov 14 15:29:24 Nokia-N900:~# cat /proc/driver/musb_hdrc | grep version | awk '{print $7}' | sed 's/version_hostmode=//g' Nov 14 15:29:24 20101110 Nov 14 15:29:28 buy nexus1 Nov 14 15:29:34 =) Nov 14 15:29:47 yes Nov 14 15:31:00 What? Nexus1? Why? Is it better than N900? Nov 14 15:31:33 DocScrutinizer: Okay, all the hardware functionality Nov 14 15:31:36 Mohammad:Integrated your change. Will sendto autobuilder tonight, if everything is ok Nov 14 15:31:40 All the keyboards. Nov 14 15:31:47 All the letters I mean Nov 14 15:31:50 jase21: Yes, it is way better, go buy it. Nov 14 15:31:57 RST38h, yay :D Nov 14 15:32:06 (and then you become someother forum's headache) Nov 14 15:33:20 Nope. I'm not liking Android. I like GNU/Linux so that I can program using GTK+ and pure C. I hate evil Java. Nov 14 15:33:47 MohammadAG: echo "xxx ccc vvv bbb version_hostmode=12345"|sed 's/.*version_hostmode=\(.*\)/\1/' Nov 14 15:33:57 jase: Ok, then buy yourself a GNU/Linux Nov 14 15:34:19 RST38h: Heh! Maemo ;) Nov 14 15:34:30 Maemo is not Gnu =) Nov 14 15:34:32 Nokia-N900:~# cat /proc/driver/musb_hdrc | grep version | sed 's/.*version_hostmode=\(.*\)/\1/' Nov 14 15:34:34 20101110 Nov 14 15:34:34 thakns Nov 14 15:34:37 thanks even Nov 14 15:35:18 RST38h: Isn't it built on top of Debian? Atleast I don't have to jailbreak. Isn't it? Nov 14 15:35:40 MohammadAG: forget grep version Nov 14 15:36:19 DocScrutinizer, err, if I did that I'd get all lines from /proc/driver/musb_hdrc Nov 14 15:36:52 RST38h: I'm seriously asking, is there any problem with N900. I'm going to shell out a lot of money, and I don't want to be disappointed. Nov 14 15:37:09 MohammadAG: umm, I see Nov 14 15:37:29 jase: Of course there is a problem! Nov 14 15:37:51 jase21: it's not built on top of debian Nov 14 15:38:02 jase21: only thing common with debian is package manager Nov 14 15:38:08 DocScrutinizer: ZogG i have installed the .deb file - and the flasher is waiting for the device... i've read the wiki. Nov 14 15:38:21 Oh Nov 14 15:39:22 it is built on top of msdos Nov 14 15:39:34 jackowski: Oh, so does it differ a lot from the desktop (conventional Linux)? Nov 14 15:39:34 lol Nov 14 15:40:10 Hmm.. DOS hah! Nov 14 15:40:27 Why do you say to get an Android? Nov 14 15:41:06 jase21: it uses busybox rather than a full shell, and it uses hildon as its' desktop environment Nov 14 15:41:33 Yes, hildon is based on GTK+ Nov 14 15:42:18 I don't have any first hand experience using or programming for N900. I did a little research & read some doc. Nov 14 15:42:53 meh, you use qt or gtk+ for the GUI Nov 14 15:43:02 it's closer to desktop linux than anything else Nov 14 15:43:35 kerio: Yes. I prefer GTK+. Not a big fan of C++. Nov 14 15:44:58 pyqt! Nov 14 15:45:03 sigh, why does the Qt SDK installer fail on Ubuntu. Nov 14 15:45:16 or pyside Nov 14 15:45:32 kerio, Python sucks Nov 14 15:45:36 lies! Nov 14 15:46:30 Can not find '/home/mohammad/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/cache/arm-2007q3-51sb6-gdb71-arm-none-linux-gnueabi_linux_x86_64.tar.bz2' -- no such file. Nov 14 15:46:33 the fuck Nov 14 15:48:05 whats a decent dynip style app for ubuntu? Nov 14 15:48:14 or dyndns* Nov 14 15:48:30 Mohammad: Is there a Linux where it does not fail? Nov 14 15:48:36 fail Nov 14 15:48:42 oh, wrong architecture Nov 14 15:48:50 lol Nov 14 15:49:29 I forgot I downloaded it for the netbook which was 32-bit Nov 14 15:49:36 :D Nov 14 15:49:39 Thou shalt use only geniune Intel hardware! Nov 14 15:49:45 ;) Nov 14 15:49:51 Heh Nov 14 15:50:14 * MohammadAG throws a broadcom card at RST38h Nov 14 15:50:29 disgusting! Nov 14 15:50:36 yuk Nov 14 15:50:43 it was meant as an insult Nov 14 15:50:45 :P Nov 14 15:50:53 (ok, ok, it could have been RaLink or, sigh, SiS) Nov 14 15:51:12 * MohammadAG throws a RaLink at RST38h Nov 14 15:51:26 * MohammadAG cuddles the atheros card he has in the netbook Nov 14 15:52:28 MohammadAG: echo -e "sdf\neagdaf\nsedsd version_hostmode=12345"|sed 's/.*version_hostmode=\(.*\)/\1/; t done; D; : done; q' Nov 14 15:53:06 can i disable automatic window switching on the hildon wm somehow? or is there an alternative wm? Nov 14 15:53:16 wow, nice! Nov 14 15:53:34 aep, not to my knowledge, at least not if you edit the source Nov 14 15:53:43 right. thanks Nov 14 15:54:11 Anyone preferring Android ? Nov 14 15:54:25 We all LURRRRVE Android Nov 14 15:54:40 Heh. Nov 14 15:54:42 So green, so cuddly, you can stroke that Dalvik VM for hours! Nov 14 15:54:46 andridiot? yeah, adore Nov 14 15:55:20 AndroO.. hah! Nov 14 15:55:48 somebody please /msg me Nov 14 15:55:50 Seems like we have a couple of RSTs Nov 14 15:55:50 well from a consumer point of view android does just mostly work, is pretty functional, and ofc has its' good tie-ins to google's services Nov 14 15:56:00 jase21: except for a few weirdos, everybody here bought a maemo device beause they prefer maemo Nov 14 15:56:54 DocScrutinizer: Yes, that's what I expected before someone told Android. I think RST38h bought AndroO. Nov 14 15:56:58 c9l Nov 14 15:57:02 cool Nov 14 15:57:22 RST38h, testing my patch? thou dare doubt my work! Nov 14 15:57:38 Mohammad: Have to be sure, before submitting it to AB Nov 14 15:58:09 BTW, how do I turn off the mo#$%$%ng feature of not repeating keys in PR1.2+? Nov 14 15:58:58 nidO: Yes, for normal customers. Nov 14 16:00:37 next one to say SiS gets ~lart Nov 14 16:01:04 gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/inputmethod/ext_kb_repeat_enabled --type boolean true Nov 14 16:01:19 ~SiS Nov 14 16:01:19 sis is probably lame. Silicon Integrated Systems Nov 14 16:01:36 ~lart jase21 Nov 14 16:01:36 * infobot explains, ever so gently, that if jase21 doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help Nov 14 16:01:36 Aahahaha Nov 14 16:01:49 I now know the person who suggested this misfeature: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5421 Nov 14 16:01:50 What does lart means? Nov 14 16:01:51 Bug 5421: keys when long pressed should give the blue symbol/number Nov 14 16:01:56 Mohammad: thanks =) Nov 14 16:02:24 ~wtf lart Nov 14 16:02:25 LART: luser attitude readjustment tool (ie, hammer) Nov 14 16:03:23 Did infobot warn me something? Nov 14 16:03:47 I so hate that bug RST38h Nov 14 16:03:49 jase21: nevermind Nov 14 16:04:00 it's one of those bugs that should've stayed as a WONTFIX Nov 14 16:04:35 DocScrutinizer: Oh! Relieved. I'm a bit new to the whole irc thing. Nov 14 16:04:54 ~lart Alia Merali, for bug #5421 Nov 14 16:04:54 * infobot follow's Alia Merali, with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION for bug #5421 Nov 14 16:04:55 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/5421 keys when long pressed should give the blue symbol/number Nov 14 16:04:58 hehe Nov 14 16:05:22 Mohammad: Instead, the keyboard layout switch bug stayed ad WONTFIX Nov 14 16:05:25 as Nov 14 16:06:18 Mohammad: Forcing large slices of world population set their n900s to Russian keyboard Nov 14 16:06:37 WONTFIX?? INVALID escalated WTF?! BS! Nov 14 16:07:45 * RST38h loves how most half-assed policy decisions start with "wouldn't it be nice..." Nov 14 16:07:55 LOL Nov 14 16:08:15 Hell, every time I see these words, I can almost feel the clusterfuck coming. Nov 14 16:08:21 you'd be suprised how fast crap like that ends up on a requirements list Nov 14 16:08:27 * DocScrutinizer thinks his MTHEL automatic target detection needs a new pattern Nov 14 16:08:28 Yea... Nov 14 16:09:17 * aep considers opening a bug "it would be nice if you'd revert that" Nov 14 16:09:34 which tells us quite a bit about who's in charge to write those requirement specs Nov 14 16:10:04 Doc: It took them less than 2 months to add this "feature" Nov 14 16:10:10 aep: GOOO! Nov 14 16:10:26 Is there anyone who doesn't use a screen protector? Nov 14 16:10:34 me Nov 14 16:10:47 ok. Nov 14 16:10:54 new screen is ~60EUR Nov 14 16:11:19 oh, didn't know the screens could be replaced. Nov 14 16:11:44 i dont have one Nov 14 16:11:57 Will any Nokia Care center do that? Nov 14 16:12:03 yes Nov 14 16:12:18 Okay. Nov 14 16:12:30 though you add another 40 bucks on top for the dude doing it Nov 14 16:12:38 if you're brave/competant enough you can just buy the screen and do it yourself and not have to pay an assload more Nov 14 16:13:01 yes, got it. ;) heh. Nov 14 16:13:37 Doc: Not around here Nov 14 16:14:22 RST38h: I'm amazed you're even *allowed to own* any Nokia Nov 14 16:14:51 (you==people of Russia) Nov 14 16:14:57 Did anyone get Flash 10.1 working :( ? Nov 14 16:15:33 Doc: Yea, yea, and the bears prowling the street, and no refrigerators... Nov 14 16:15:42 RST38h: You are not allowed? Are you in school or something where phones aren't allowed? Nov 14 16:15:56 all a conspiracy of Putin and UPS Nov 14 16:16:18 and customs of course Nov 14 16:16:30 they sent the bears Nov 14 16:16:33 Doc: Actually, if I remember correctly, they are not allowed to own Nokia stock here Nov 14 16:16:59 Doc: Not that it stopped anyone willing to trade on the stock market from doing so, of course Nov 14 16:18:15 well, actually I'm even more amazed COCOM has allowed to ship N900 *to* Russia ;-) Nov 14 16:18:32 you could use it to simulate fission Nov 14 16:18:47 I amsure some eurobureaucrat will get fired for this sooner or later. Nov 14 16:18:58 hehehe Nov 14 16:19:37 * jase21 things Russians are deadly. ooh Nov 14 16:19:56 RST38h, DocScrutinizer: #11577 although i'm 100% certain no one gives a shit. At least it made me smile. Nov 14 16:20:02 * DocScrutinizer envisions a secret lab in Ural, with a 50.000 N900 beowulf Nov 14 16:20:23 bug #11577 Nov 14 16:20:26 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11577 keys when long pressed should repeat the key Nov 14 16:20:42 I'll vote for that Nov 14 16:20:44 :-D Nov 14 16:20:55 aep: thanks Nov 14 16:20:55 jase21: there is no flash 10.1 Nov 14 16:20:57 * RST38h votes Nov 14 16:21:03 jase21: for maemo Nov 14 16:21:08 jase21: only for android Nov 14 16:21:11 jacekowski: well, there is ... Nov 14 16:21:30 jacekowski: okay, but Kevin Lynch demoed it once. Nov 14 16:21:41 it's TI internal version Nov 14 16:21:43 May be Adobe care less Nov 14 16:21:47 Not really Nov 14 16:22:00 okay. Nov 14 16:22:04 It is Adobe's version that it compiled for ARMv7 arch for evaluation purposes Nov 14 16:22:05 RST38h: that flash somebody linked here is a fake Nov 14 16:23:21 Is the Mozilla browser html 5 compatible? Nov 14 16:23:39 (the one in N900)? Nov 14 16:24:25 no Nov 14 16:24:35 nothing is html 5 compatible Nov 14 16:24:41 ok Nov 14 16:25:41 btw, what is the best way to resize /opt? Nov 14 16:26:32 modify eMMC image Nov 14 16:26:55 resize mmcblk0p2 Nov 14 16:27:20 http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash#Solution_.237:_arbitrary_size_for_.2Fhome_and_MyDocs_.28PR_1.2.2F3_compatible.29 Nov 14 16:27:33 One doubt: Is maemo based on any distro? Apart from the package management which is .deb? Nov 14 16:27:34 Did Nokia made it from scratch adapting the linux kernel to its hardware? Nov 14 16:27:50 jase21: it's not Nov 14 16:28:15 jase21: they adapted lot of debian conventions Nov 14 16:28:17 jacekowski: Means its a custom one, right? Nov 14 16:28:25 yeah, it's custom Nov 14 16:28:39 but that's all Nov 14 16:29:00 oh. okay. Nov 14 16:31:18 Heard that MeeGo is using .rpm. Nokia pushing Qt, and Intel favoring GTK. Doesn't know where it ends up. Nov 14 16:33:31 Is there something you would say that Maemo is lacking & you wish you had that ? Nov 14 16:34:01 nop Nov 14 16:34:19 okay. May be I can think of making something along with my learning of GTK. Nov 14 16:34:20 for N900 Maemo 5 is simply the best OS at the moment Nov 14 16:34:43 other OSes lacks a lot in functionality or efficiency Nov 14 16:34:47 Necc: thanks Nov 14 16:34:57 okay. Any applications in particular? Nov 14 16:35:05 for? Nov 14 16:35:15 N900 (Maemo)? Nov 14 16:35:20 for repartitioning hints url Nov 14 16:36:14 RST38h: Are you from Russia? Nov 14 16:36:15 RST38h: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4469013/n900/pt_table Nov 14 16:36:44 this file contains partition table for ~7GB /home, if you wish use that Nov 14 16:41:10 RST38h: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Nov 14 16:41:18 Is it possible to shut down a core if you have a dual core processor? Any idea? Just asking? (not maemo specific) Nov 14 16:42:02 yes Nov 14 16:42:04 Compile a kernel without smp support :) Nov 14 16:42:29 there are OS specific means Nov 14 16:42:33 No, I must be able to use both, just in power saving mode or like that. Nov 14 16:42:45 no Nov 14 16:42:49 Doc: okay Nov 14 16:43:21 in PSM there are all CPUs disabled Nov 14 16:43:53 Wouldn't it be better that Intel, ARM design it like that. An instruction that can shut that a core. Nov 14 16:44:14 * jase21 doesn't know what PSM is. Googling it. Nov 14 16:44:51 What is PSM? Didn't get it/ Nov 14 16:45:04 power saving mode? Nov 14 16:45:23 Ahh.. heh Nov 14 16:46:19 anyway it is controlled by the hardware itself + BIOS, you can not touch this Nov 14 16:46:32 ok. Nov 14 16:47:03 I was thinking that if such thing can be made it would be better. Nov 14 16:47:10 i would say it depends Nov 14 16:48:16 Doc: My situation is: we choose low performance mode & it will shut some cores. Not simple reduce the clock. Nov 14 16:48:41 Doc: In PSM, the system sleeps. Right? Nov 14 16:48:48 I know that the Santa Rosa platform could do it Nov 14 16:48:55 and Mac laptops were doing it Nov 14 16:49:01 but the results were quite absymal Nov 14 16:49:08 oh. Nov 14 16:49:10 your screen and wifi eats so much more power than a core. Nov 14 16:49:18 I don't remember if it's i3/i5/i7, or Phenom I or II that can run cores at different speeds and even have one core in deepest C-state while another is awake Nov 14 16:49:37 cool! Nov 14 16:49:46 run to idle Nov 14 16:50:04 google for it Nov 14 16:50:17 ok. Nov 14 16:50:28 ShadowJK: I doubt that's i7... all the shared caches would make that meaningless, even if true. Nov 14 16:51:28 Also a fun fact: putting the CPU into deep sleep states makes the built-in Intel GPU slower, because of the shared memory controller. Nov 14 16:52:35 I guess on x86 it still slows down the memory controller too :/ Nov 14 16:52:39 and caches Nov 14 16:52:43 for those deep-sleep gaming extravaganzas Nov 14 16:53:45 sorry, "run to idle" seems the wrong term. SpeedEvil, can you help me out? Nov 14 16:54:09 "Race to idle" Nov 14 16:54:37 http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/applications-power-management/race-to-idle.php Nov 14 16:54:39 thanks Nov 14 16:55:42 In Santa Rosa, caches (L2) can be completely shut down. Nov 14 16:56:36 jase21: ^^^ been for you Nov 14 16:57:13 yes. I'm reading that article. Nov 14 16:57:26 same principle applies to disabling cores Nov 14 16:57:39 deathmarch to idle! Nov 14 16:57:50 umm.. ok. Nov 14 16:57:57 AKA starve whoever you can Nov 14 17:02:17 Is there heat dissipation in N900? Its an internet tablet (close to a pc). So how is it managed. I guess fan mechanism isn't appropriate. Nov 14 17:03:02 And no cooling circuits (liquids), right? Any idea? Nov 14 17:03:32 jase21, by using as little power as possible lol :P Nov 14 17:04:07 convection Nov 14 17:05:33 okay, that's reasonable answer. But if its clocked to 1GHz, that the rate at which it takes place might be slow. Nov 14 17:06:20 Will that damage the system? Nov 14 17:06:47 I read that overclocking may brick (hard) the device. Nov 14 17:07:15 DocScrutinizer, correct kernel API checking added Nov 14 17:07:32 MohammadAG: cool :-D Nov 14 17:08:42 now implement the same in preinstall script and rise a notifier warning when kernel doesn't support hostmode. Allow installation of h-e-n GUI nevertheless Nov 14 17:08:46 Wow, My N900 has been lasting ages. Nov 14 17:09:19 DocScrutinizer, with dependencies on kernel-feature-usbhost? Nov 14 17:09:22 anyone can add that to Provides: Nov 14 17:10:10 MohammadAG: hmm, I'm indecisive about that Nov 14 17:10:19 Bored, wanna write a small Qml app but can't think of anything. Nov 14 17:10:46 * jase21 remeembers that MohammadAG is working on Host-mode USB. He saw the maemo talk posts. Good people! He doesn't recognize other names. Nov 14 17:10:56 :/ Nov 14 17:11:10 I'm only working on the UI, credits to Paul for the patches Nov 14 17:11:27 MohammadAG: AIUI power kernel has "Provides: kernel-feature-usbhost"? Then probably we should use that instead of the preinstall check Nov 14 17:11:45 yup Nov 14 17:12:00 ok. I meant DocScrutinizer, and R.38h etc Nov 14 17:12:20 I think they are having different usernames. Nov 14 17:12:21 RST38h isn't paul lol Nov 14 17:12:27 Paul isn't here, he hates #maemo Nov 14 17:12:35 Heh. Nov 14 17:13:06 http://cdn0.lostateminor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/funny-iphone-app-2.jpg Social Networking Nov 14 17:13:21 DocScrutinizer, do you know of a way to remove applets from the status menu? Nov 14 17:13:28 want to remove the battery one Nov 14 17:13:45 edit the friggin (XML) config file Nov 14 17:14:00 there's some somewhere, I occasionally run into it Nov 14 17:14:09 iirc Nov 14 17:14:12 without killing the status menu right? Nov 14 17:14:23 sure Nov 14 17:14:38 check what apps adding an applet do Nov 14 17:14:48 like simple brightness, load Nov 14 17:15:10 but maybe that's just for the menu, don't know Nov 14 17:15:23 I think the stutus menu watches the directory of applets Nov 14 17:15:26 status* Nov 14 17:15:39 for sure it's not the method of choice for *dynamically* enable and disable applets Nov 14 17:16:49 Hey, heard that facebook is going to launch email service tomorrow (Monday). Excited? Nov 14 17:16:49 MohammadAG: I'm a poor source of info for that. Please ask @* Nov 14 17:17:11 jase21: not really, there are loads of email services .. Nov 14 17:17:23 Some would say too many ... Nov 14 17:17:32 done Nov 14 17:17:38 DocScrutinizer, just move the desktop file :D Nov 14 17:17:56 duh, that simple? Nov 14 17:18:04 alterego: Heh! okay, not all of them are good. I find only gmail as good ones. Nov 14 17:18:11 Nokia-N900:/usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu# mv status-area-applet-battery.desktop / Nov 14 17:18:12 dynamically, w/o reboot? Nov 14 17:18:19 yep Nov 14 17:18:26 FFS :-D Nov 14 17:18:38 I think the stutus menu watches the directory of applets Nov 14 17:19:30 now we don't have to worry about users thinking the battery is low, there is no battery applet muhaha Nov 14 17:19:43 :D Nov 14 17:19:57 I'd feel much better if a dynamic temporary switch-off of e.g batery applet would auto-revert on boot time Nov 14 17:20:21 it would go back when closing the app Nov 14 17:20:45 i.e disable bme -> remove applet, enable bme -> bring it back Nov 14 17:21:12 actually, bring back applet then enable bme, as if battery is empty, enabling bme may cause a shutdown if battery is empty -> applet lost Nov 14 17:21:34 MohammadAG: so if you do such tweaks, make sure you have a init script run on boot, to mv /mytempappdeact/* /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu Nov 14 17:21:39 DocScrutinizer, http://i52.tinypic.com/33e3hv9.jpg Nov 14 17:21:56 why? it's done upon closing the app Nov 14 17:22:09 what if I remove the battery? Nov 14 17:22:28 you got me :P Nov 14 17:22:51 if only the N900 was an N8, you wouldn't be removing batteries then would you?! :P Nov 14 17:24:45 hmm, bad news Nov 14 17:24:56 ? Nov 14 17:24:57 it doesn't work :-P Nov 14 17:25:07 when moving the .desktop file back, the applet doesn't show in the status menu Nov 14 17:25:15 hehe Nov 14 17:25:15 it shows in the extended one, but not the small one Nov 14 17:26:01 hmmmmmmmm Nov 14 17:26:06 ok right, back to qt Nov 14 17:26:20 omg (looking up) its the Mo & Doc Show.... Nov 14 17:27:19 and now special appearance of the sidekick Nov 14 17:27:32 :-P Nov 14 17:28:58 http://www.google.com/trends?q=maemo << ever saw that one? Nov 14 17:29:33 Hi, Nov 14 17:29:33 I have a doubt. Nov 14 17:29:33 Is there an equivalent function for hildon_mime_open_file in python? Nov 14 17:29:37 oh well, killall it is Nov 14 17:30:46 pupnik: nice. Nov 14 17:30:59 DocScrutinizer, can you confirm killall hildon-status-menu doesn't cause a reboot? Nov 14 17:31:56 yes Nov 14 17:33:38 * jase21 will get back later. He says #maemo is awesome. Nov 14 17:33:52 Good night guys! Bye. Nov 14 17:34:07 MohammadAG: be aware that's not exactly a lightweight operation, and may cause side effects. I got "connect" sound Nov 14 17:34:13 Will see later. Nov 14 17:35:37 MohammadAG: ...so you don't want to use that for making battery icon flash :-P Nov 14 17:35:55 DocScrutinizer, connect? Nov 14 17:36:04 the green dot Nov 14 17:36:33 hmm? Nov 14 17:37:31 takes a couple seconds to start again Nov 14 17:37:38 MohammadAG: basically all applets are restarted - obviously. Some may do things on restart you didn't expect Nov 14 17:38:03 like playback sounds Nov 14 17:38:20 I see Nov 14 17:38:27 some may massively misbehave Nov 14 17:38:38 no cleaner way sadly :/ Nov 14 17:38:46 :nod: Nov 14 17:39:04 till jrbme is out at least Nov 14 17:39:06 just make sure there's a gconf or whatever to disable that Nov 14 17:39:19 hi, i have update my n900 but now i have problem with audio, if i try to call alsamixer i have unale to connect to pulseaudio server Nov 14 17:39:29 where can i found some logs? Nov 14 17:41:54 DocScrutinizer, mount.sh now checks if mount was successful, if so, it opens the file manager (as per N8) Nov 14 17:42:27 hmm, I'd hate that Nov 14 17:42:33 also, unmounting is done when the app is closed Nov 14 17:42:59 before VBUS is stopped of course Nov 14 17:43:23 what if umount fails? Nov 14 17:44:52 it's better than no umount :P Nov 14 17:45:23 hmm, I'd hate that Nov 14 17:45:25 sure Nov 14 17:45:26 suggestions? Nov 14 17:46:34 not really, as I gather "mount" is a temporary thing anyway. So I don't bother too much what it's doing Nov 14 17:47:15 yep, it should be temporary, till ke-recv is hit on the head Nov 14 17:47:22 :-D Nov 14 17:47:27 but that's what N8x0 did afaik Nov 14 17:47:33 at least from the vids I saw Nov 14 17:47:47 hmm, no idea Nov 14 17:48:03 how long does it take to charge empty n900 battery connected mass usb storage? Nov 14 17:48:27 Is there a charge difference between PC suite and USB mode? Nov 14 17:49:09 ugh. i still have a cold. sucks Nov 14 17:49:27 look, why would I want to see that HFM BS when I plug in a stick with a video? I'd prefer to see the media file in media player (hmm a really bad example, but you might get the idea) Nov 14 17:49:28 but at least it only happens like once every 3 years or so.. so i should be ok Nov 14 17:50:33 DocScrutinizer, yeah, but auto handling of that isn't on the N8x0 afaik, or the N8 (or even my PC :P) Nov 14 17:50:51 DocScrutinizer, and really, you want tracker to look for videos and open them? :P Nov 14 17:50:54 actually,I would suspect seeing ANY extra "helpful" shit when inserting USB drives is a bad idea Nov 14 17:51:02 "HFM BS" is faster than tracker, by a bit Nov 14 17:51:32 Mohammad,Doc: By the way, as I am sending the new version of xchat to AB, do you want me to do anything extra with cehteh's notification plugin? Nov 14 17:51:50 MohammadAG: (umount) ...actually is a function you could argue has to be in h-e-n. So I suggest you pop up a list with processes that have file handles to the device. So user can close them and retry to umount Nov 14 17:51:52 AB? Nov 14 17:52:13 autobuilder Nov 14 17:52:39 make default disable, RST38h Nov 14 17:52:43 RST38h, nope, doesn't annoy me as it is :) Nov 14 17:53:16 hmm, ok Nov 14 17:53:21 maybe even better, make the setting persistent Nov 14 17:53:22 maybe making auto FM opening configurable would be better? Nov 14 17:53:30 cannot Nov 14 17:53:36 i c Nov 14 17:53:52 lol it's not that bad :) Nov 14 17:54:17 RST38h, haven't looked at xchat's code, but maybe add a GUI enable/disable option? Nov 14 17:54:23 make it an addon pkg? Nov 14 17:54:51 MohammadAG: impossible, that would be meaningless when the plugin isn't there Nov 14 17:55:02 Mohammad: won't do for an external plugin Nov 14 17:55:13 :-) Nov 14 17:55:43 DocScrutinizer, RST38h then make it check if the plugin's there at runtime, and show/hide the option :) Nov 14 17:56:00 I knew he'd say that Nov 14 17:56:06 :-P Nov 14 17:56:14 as I said, the plugin is external, the base xchat code is not supposed to know anything about it Nov 14 17:56:14 I think my N900 has lasted so long because I'm using wifi instead of 3G today .. Nov 14 17:56:58 do you use irc, im (skype, gtalk, msn, etc), twitter or facbook widgets? Nov 14 17:57:05 RST38h: basically the plugin is in duty to store settings to xchat.cfg Nov 14 17:57:19 Doc: Tell cehteh =) Nov 14 17:57:24 yeah Nov 14 17:57:35 I thin kI may have screwed something up on my n900 Nov 14 17:57:38 so make it default disabled Nov 14 17:57:41 ShadowJK: IM yeah Nov 14 17:57:52 or ~/.xchat2/maemonotify.conf Nov 14 17:57:55 fortunately, I think it should be a f airly easy fix, since I can still get filesystem access through NITDroid Nov 14 17:57:56 Gerbick gets hit by the nostalgy train: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65591 Nov 14 17:57:57 alterego, which? Nov 14 17:58:07 facebook, msn, ovi Nov 14 17:58:25 Where would the hildon desktop settings be? Nov 14 17:58:42 Skype's a battery rapist Nov 14 17:58:52 alterego, and yeah, a single byte of data transmitted is about same power draw as 10Mbit/s for 1s. All the frequent background comms adds up :-) Nov 14 17:58:56 I was fiddling around with the settings tweaker and set the grid snap distance to 0 Nov 14 17:58:57 it's much better on edge Nov 14 17:59:03 ..and I think that's what's causing trouble Nov 14 17:59:15 yes, it shouldn't be changed from 4 Nov 14 17:59:16 although I did install mauku-widget, which also seems to have caused some trouble Nov 14 17:59:22 I keep my phone in 2g most of the time to reduce power cinsumption since I run xchat 24/7 Nov 14 17:59:23 but not so much Nov 14 17:59:27 (iirc) Nov 14 17:59:34 Shadow: How long does it last? Nov 14 17:59:37 MohammadAG: do you know what file that would be stored in? Nov 14 17:59:57 /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini, bottom of the file usually Nov 14 17:59:58 the phone keeps shutting down now, but I can fortunately still get in with NITDroid Nov 14 18:01:35 RST38h, 10 hours, but that's constant xchat, 6 hours of mp3 playback, and 1-2 hours of surfing too Nov 14 18:01:57 day wiithout the music and web, probably Nov 14 18:02:24 MohammadAG: thanks Nov 14 18:03:03 crud... I seem to have to edit the file directly on-device inside NITDroid, since it doesn't seem to want to actually mount on the computer Nov 14 18:03:15 ShadowJK: ack, 24h with irc only Nov 14 18:03:44 depending on traffic of course Nov 14 18:03:46 A bit more if I activate my powersave script on my bouncer server :-) Nov 14 18:04:25 (it blocks traffic to my N900 for 2 minutes, then unblocks until all pending data has been sent, then blocks 2 minutes, repeat) Nov 14 18:04:37 SHARE! Nov 14 18:05:49 It requires that you access irc through a bouncer, and that you have root and iptables on that server, and that your n900 has a static IP Nov 14 18:05:52 ;p Nov 14 18:06:27 so it's probably not useful to anyone else Nov 14 18:06:29 static IP :-/ .oO(??¬đ²¼²##!@) Nov 14 18:07:12 I dare to state I'm savvy to find a fix for that Nov 14 18:07:39 everything else 'check' Nov 14 18:08:27 anyway o/ Nov 14 18:08:34 MohammadAG: I'm not seeing it Nov 14 18:08:39 * DocScrutinizer -->dinner Nov 14 18:09:33 Dhraakellian, how did you mount maemo's rootfs? Nov 14 18:09:44 MohammadAG: I'm looking around in NITDroid Nov 14 18:10:07 and how would you edit maemo's rootfs with nitdroid without mounting it? Nov 14 18:10:15 hmm Nov 14 18:10:22 use this http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd Nov 14 18:10:56 meego .. Nov 14 18:10:59 W000t need more qt help again Nov 14 18:11:04 ah Nov 14 18:11:04 now ubuntu sdoesnt like it Nov 14 18:11:11 Heh Nov 14 18:11:12 when trying to install qt mobility i get this http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/8sd1bt4c/Selection_001.png Nov 14 18:11:17 found it under /initrd Nov 14 18:11:51 NooBmonk3y, apt-get install libqt4-dev Nov 14 18:11:54 with sudo of coruse Nov 14 18:12:06 okies Nov 14 18:12:07 alterego, any idea how I can get scrollable QPushButtons with Qt? Nov 14 18:12:17 scrollable pushbuttons? Nov 14 18:12:18 whatya mean? Nov 14 18:12:21 Or download a decent qt-creator which comes with 4.7 Nov 14 18:12:23 err, course* Nov 14 18:12:35 alterego, done that..... Nov 14 18:12:52 NooBmonk3y, sorta like fapman's settings dialog Nov 14 18:12:57 i swapped to ubuntu cos it would be easier, and the only reason was qt and packaging lol Nov 14 18:12:57 MohammadAG: do you mean a scrollable area with buttons in a list. Nov 14 18:13:05 meh dont use fapman Nov 14 18:13:05 yep Nov 14 18:13:14 easy :P Nov 14 18:13:25 even with the designer? :P Nov 14 18:13:32 Crap .. Nov 14 18:13:45 easy and crap? lol Nov 14 18:13:45 anyone fought iCal importing with gpe-calendar and won? Nov 14 18:13:47 descriptive Nov 14 18:13:48 I don't have my laptop so I can't give you the source :P Nov 14 18:13:54 lol Nov 14 18:14:19 tugrik, no, I lost a limb to it Nov 14 18:14:25 (jk) Nov 14 18:14:28 Use QScrollArea Nov 14 18:14:57 Create a QWidget, use VBoxLayout, add buttons to the layout. Nov 14 18:14:59 hmm is this a device problem or local problem? Nov 14 18:14:59 /usr/local/bin/MaeCount: error while loading shared libraries: libQtDeclarative.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Nov 14 18:15:08 its the build error Nov 14 18:15:15 after it is supposedly running on the device Nov 14 18:15:16 the use QScrollArea::setWidget(widget) Nov 14 18:15:24 and that's it. Nov 14 18:17:12 alterego, is it possible with a QMainWindow? Nov 14 18:18:02 /scratchbox/users/mohammad/home/mohammad/scratchbox/hostmode-build-maemo/../hostmode/settingswindow.cpp:13: error: cannot call member function 'void QScrollArea::setWidget(QWidget*)' without object Nov 14 18:18:11 meh apt-get install libqt4-maemo5-declarative should work Nov 14 18:18:18 greetings Nov 14 18:18:20 aghhhh Nov 14 18:18:21 doesnt work! Nov 14 18:18:39 apt-get install libqt4-maemo5-declarative doesnt sound good Nov 14 18:18:44 NooBmonk3y, watcha doing anyways Nov 14 18:18:51 ^^ Nov 14 18:18:55 /usr/local/bin/MaeCount: error while loading shared libraries: libQtDeclarative.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Nov 14 18:18:57 little stupid question here: if I flash the NAND do I run the risk of bricking my N900 for good? Nov 14 18:19:01 its the build error Nov 14 18:19:18 when i try to run maecount from Qtcreator on the n900 Nov 14 18:19:23 NooBmonk3y, you do realize you're doing this on ubuntu, not in the SDK right? Nov 14 18:19:27 so i'm assuming somethings suddenly not on my device? Nov 14 18:19:40 MohammadAG, still trying to run it on my device as i would in windows Nov 14 18:21:21 NooBmonk3y, apt-get install libqt4-experimental-declarative on your device Nov 14 18:22:33 experimental? eeeeeeeek Nov 14 18:22:49 MohammadAG: Sure just set the mainwindows' central widget to the scroll area Nov 14 18:23:30 MohammadAG, take a look in #meego, think he will fall for it? ;) Nov 14 18:23:54 :P Nov 14 18:24:11 /scratchbox/users/mohammad/home/mohammad/scratchbox/hostmode-build-maemo/../hostmode/settingswindow.cpp:14: error: cannot call member function 'void QScrollArea::setWidget(QWidget*)' without object alterego Nov 14 18:24:18 Heh, I need to find someone to pick up my doggy bag and send it to me :( Nov 14 18:24:18 :| Nov 14 18:24:24 I wanna t-shirt :( Nov 14 18:24:31 i want to win the lottery Nov 14 18:24:56 oh! Nov 14 18:25:50 * MohammadAG thinks he got it right, expects segfault Nov 14 18:26:20 ...sees nothing instead Nov 14 18:26:58 nothing is better than bollox Nov 14 18:27:11 or lcuk covered in bacon.... either is pretty bad Nov 14 18:27:25 evening Venemo_N900 Nov 14 18:27:26 hey guys Nov 14 18:27:36 hi NooBmonk3y :) Nov 14 18:27:54 LOL alterego I got it scrolling sideways instead of up/down Nov 14 18:27:57 MohammadAG, installed the experimental, still getting : /usr/local/bin/MaeCount: error while loading shared libraries: libQtDeclarative.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Nov 14 18:28:03 I'm ashamed to ask, but where is the FM transmitter in the N900's menu? Nov 14 18:28:20 Settings > FM Transmitter :) Nov 14 18:28:36 I remember having it in Settings on the previous one Nov 14 18:28:43 but it is not there on this one Nov 14 18:29:17 MohammadAG: that's what I thought, but it's not there Nov 14 18:29:49 install fmtx-faker by qwerty12 Nov 14 18:30:13 MohammadAG: I thought that was for regions in which it is disabled Nov 14 18:30:54 MohammadAG, I r Dumbass Nov 14 18:30:55 well if it's not there I guess it's disabled :P Nov 14 18:31:14 QT += core gui network instead of QT += core gui network declarative in the pro file ;) Nov 14 18:31:18 MohammadAG: I'll be back home in half an hour so if you do something else for a bit I'll sort you out when I get home ;) Nov 14 18:31:37 MohammadAG: solved it, thx Nov 14 18:32:49 NooBmonk3y: so you were missing declarative from your .pro? Nov 14 18:33:24 hmm, [29106.521913] mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card Nov 14 18:36:08 Venemo_N900, i had it in there by accident Nov 14 18:36:10 didnt need it Nov 14 18:36:40 lol Nov 14 18:38:16 NooBmonk3y: so what was the problem? Nov 14 18:42:03 How can I reach an 'Esc' effect on N900 ? For example I edit a file with vi, but I would like to leave the edit mode. I have got a similar Nokia phone, not N900, but with the same keypad. Nov 14 18:43:12 onscreen buttons? Nov 14 18:43:42 I mean, below the terminal window there's a row of buttons on the touchscreen, there's esc on the n900 Nov 14 18:43:50 I do not know that is I have never used onscreen buttons. Nov 14 18:43:51 qonsole (whatever TF that is) has none Nov 14 18:44:08 what's the "similar nokia phone"? Nov 14 18:44:09 joga: I am using Qonsole. Nov 14 18:44:17 ok, I dunno about that Nov 14 18:44:18 NDA, sorry... Nov 14 18:44:24 WHAT Nov 14 18:44:30 you have a N9, don't you Nov 14 18:44:40 then pester qonsole authors about that broken shit Nov 14 18:44:49 * kerio has esc mapped to shift+fn+backspace Nov 14 18:45:09 KEY COMBOS Nov 14 18:45:12 \o/ Nov 14 18:45:31 I am editing a file with vi, but I cannot leave the editing mode :) Nov 14 18:45:41 to quit, write, whatever :) Nov 14 18:45:41 obviously Nov 14 18:46:03 did you tried typing ":quit" ? Nov 14 18:46:12 ^c will do it Nov 14 18:46:12 Necc: he's in editing mode Nov 14 18:46:13 in editing mode ? Nov 14 18:46:14 :x to quit Nov 14 18:46:19 djszapi: what sort of 'similar phone' it is? Nov 14 18:46:23 ^C in editing mode Nov 14 18:46:23 djszapi: looking at every mobile keyboard I can - i see the 'esc' key is in danger of going extinct! Nov 14 18:46:40 but it's such an important meta-key Nov 14 18:46:47 MohammadAG: lemme try it out Nov 14 18:46:56 report that to nokia, so we can get a good kbd on the n9! Nov 14 18:47:06 MohammadAG: does not work Nov 14 18:47:07 ACK! Nov 14 18:47:15 you can't type ":" commands in editing mode, noobs Nov 14 18:47:25 MohammadAG: i was wrong sorry Nov 14 18:47:27 it works, ty. Nov 14 18:47:49 I know you were wrong, it worksforme :P Nov 14 18:47:49 nevertheless: then pester qonsole authors about that broken shit Nov 14 18:48:04 i still don't get why a phone targeted to unix nerds has no alt, esc or tab key Nov 14 18:48:09 MohammadAG: yeah, really thank you, made my day :) Nov 14 18:48:18 infobot!!!! :-o Nov 14 18:48:27 what kinda of sick mind fuck does symbian use to lock memory cards? Nov 14 18:48:34 kind* Nov 14 18:48:44 no idea Nov 14 18:48:53 I don't even see the card on maemo/linux :/ Nov 14 18:48:58 :( the guy with the n9 left Nov 14 18:49:17 bah Nov 14 18:49:20 MohammadAG: it is supposed to be some sort of standard mechanism Nov 14 18:49:31 if it's an n9 he has then that's terrible news Nov 14 18:49:36 kerio: what makes you think he had an N9 Nov 14 18:49:39 is anyone using mpd on their N900? I have found many mpd clients but I can't seem to find the server itself. Nov 14 18:49:59 Venemo_N900: nokia phone under NDA with vi installed on it Nov 14 18:50:05 kerio: honestly, if that's the standard of beta testers for Nokia devices.... :-/ Nov 14 18:50:10 heh Nov 14 18:50:13 kerio: nda? Nov 14 18:50:34 kerio: what is NDA? Nov 14 18:50:38 another question, sorry. Can you jump to the desired page in the default pdf viewer ? For instance: 525. ? Nov 14 18:50:43 ~wtf nda Nov 14 18:50:51 it's a symbian phone so it doesn't really matter to me Nov 14 18:50:52 arrrgh she's gone Nov 14 18:50:52 kerio: all leaked images of n9 show a 4line keyboard though, same layout as e7 Nov 14 18:51:26 the only thing interesting about the N9 for me is the capacitive touchscreen Nov 14 18:51:38 wow nokia finally relaized that 4line keyboards how cool? Nov 14 18:51:50 Venemo_N900, no problem now, tis working! i think Nov 14 18:51:52 nokia used to use proper 5line keyboards Nov 14 18:51:57 infobot: botsnack Nov 14 18:51:57 DocScrutinizer: aw, gee Nov 14 18:51:59 they just seem to have been shrinking recently Nov 14 18:52:02 ~wtf nda Nov 14 18:52:03 Gee... I don't know what nda means... Nov 14 18:52:09 ~nda Nov 14 18:52:09 I'm not allowed to tell you Nov 14 18:52:11 just figuring out qtmobility, as after a few days of hunting alot of what i try isnt supported on the n900 yet (like qfeedback) Nov 14 18:52:14 NDA means non-disclosure agreement Nov 14 18:52:19 that's more like it :D Nov 14 18:52:23 Non Disclosure Agreement Nov 14 18:52:29 i.e.: you talk about it and you get sued to oblivion Nov 14 18:52:44 polite stfu or else Nov 14 18:52:53 oh... Nov 14 18:52:58 so N9 it is Nov 14 18:53:06 if nokia gives me a n9 to betatest i swear i'll post a picture for you guys here Nov 14 18:53:07 djszapi: is it nice? Nov 14 18:53:16 with a "U MAD #maemo" written on it Nov 14 18:53:28 lol plugged the N86 to my laptop and it rebooted Nov 14 18:53:29 kerio: thx in advance :) Nov 14 18:53:35 another question, sorry. Can you jump to the desired page in the default pdf viewer ? For instance: 525. ? Nov 14 18:54:05 I had a question too Nov 14 18:54:14 djszapi: it it is a prerelease device, how are we supposed to know? Nov 14 18:54:22 Venemo_N900, it's not standard, for sure, [30359.684150] EXT3-fs (loop0): error: unable to read superblock Nov 14 18:54:23 was wondering if I could get my n900 bricked if I accidentally flashed over the bootloader in the NAND Nov 14 18:54:40 MohammadAG: hmm... maybe unlock it? Nov 14 18:54:44 MohammadAG: I'm not allowed to tell you Nov 14 18:54:53 :-D Nov 14 18:55:11 Choom: nope Nov 14 18:55:24 Venemo_N900, idk the password Nov 14 18:55:28 ~botsnack Nov 14 18:55:28 :), Venemo_N900 Nov 14 18:55:33 so booting and pressing U works regardless of whether a bootloader is there? Nov 14 18:55:35 MohammadAG: oh. Nov 14 18:55:51 * MohammadAG dds to file then formats Nov 14 18:55:56 Choom: nope Nov 14 18:56:04 * slonopotamus takes his n900 to repair service tomorrow Nov 14 18:56:06 I'll dd it back then ask my uncle to unlock it when he's back Nov 14 18:56:09 * slonopotamus again. Nov 14 18:56:13 Choom: Nov 14 18:56:17 ~coldflash Nov 14 18:56:18 rumour has it, coldflash is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 and next ~200 posts Nov 14 18:56:27 Choom, no Nov 14 18:56:29 DocScrutinizer: well I guess I can't do that Nov 14 18:56:34 Choom, but a low level bootloader exists, that allows reflashing for half a second or less Nov 14 18:56:36 DocScrutinizer: so if the bootloader is borked, this is the way to go? Nov 14 18:56:50 thus you need linux to cold flash, windows keep drooling for 10s before enumerating Nov 14 18:56:50 Choom: too bad. But why? Nov 14 18:56:59 our hostmode implementation enumerates faster Nov 14 18:56:59 oh I see, and is it documented or is there software available for that? Nov 14 18:57:33 ~coldflash Nov 14 18:57:33 coldflash is probably http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 and next ~200 posts Nov 14 18:57:34 should be wiki'd Nov 14 18:57:40 I just want to know how far I can go without ACCIDENTALLY bricking the phone permanently Nov 14 18:57:48 MohammadAG: *ought* Nov 14 18:58:26 Choom: as far as it gets without involving high voltage or sledgehammers Nov 14 18:58:38 wow Nov 14 18:58:44 that's awesome Nov 14 18:59:19 just getting increasingly involved to recover Nov 14 18:59:27 does the standard flasher work for coldflashes? Nov 14 18:59:31 ~curse designer of n900 microusb connector Nov 14 18:59:32 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, designer of n900 microusb connector ! Nov 14 18:59:32 yes Nov 14 18:59:39 great, thanks a lot Nov 14 19:03:28 DocScrutinizer: what about flamethrowers? Nov 14 19:03:29 DocScrutinizer, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Cold_flashing_.28N900.29 Nov 14 19:03:33 slonopotamus: broken microusb? Nov 14 19:04:15 kerio: I was only concerned about software-induced-bricking, so that kinda answered my question Nov 14 19:04:26 or gravity Nov 14 19:04:40 MohammadAG: nice effort, but I doubt it will do ANY good on this particular page Nov 14 19:04:42 can i recover the n900 if i throw it from ~15mt? Nov 14 19:04:50 kerio: gravity can kill it, for sue Nov 14 19:05:01 kerio: sure* Nov 14 19:05:13 MohammadAG: I urgently suggest to move it to a dedicated page Nov 14 19:05:21 my mother's old 8310 survived a 5-stories fall without more than a scratch Nov 14 19:05:42 MohammadAG: noobs are confused enough by the standard instructions there Nov 14 19:05:53 ~seen lcuk Nov 14 19:05:56 that's 8310, this is N900 Nov 14 19:05:57 lcuk is currently on #maemo #meego, last said: 'theres a group of us at the airport now sat on the bus'. Nov 14 19:05:57 DocScrutinizer, I doubt noobs will wipe the bootloader Nov 14 19:06:31 MohammadAG: they will, by trying coldflash, as a last resort when "everything fails" Nov 14 19:06:37 PEBCAK Nov 14 19:06:44 it will fall to pieces, receive more, then just a few scratches and has a relative high chance to become useless afterwards Nov 14 19:06:53 Choom: but you may have to coldflash it on linux Nov 14 19:07:06 that's not an issue Nov 14 19:07:08 Choom: because windows can't enumerate it fast enough Nov 14 19:07:17 DocScrutinizer: is that article done? Nov 14 19:07:28 ~coldflash Nov 14 19:07:29 i heard coldflash is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 and next ~200 posts Nov 14 19:07:31 MohammadAG: how many noobs do eMMC flash "just to be sure"? Nov 14 19:07:38 I tend to know what I'm doing, just don't know this device in particular since I've had it for less than a week Nov 14 19:07:48 DocScrutinizer, I've never tried to move in wikis, so I suspect I might fuck up, feel free to do it :) Nov 14 19:08:01 MohammadAG: guess how many do coldflash just because of it's there Nov 14 19:08:04 DocScrutinizer, I lost count when I divided by 0 Nov 14 19:08:06 Choom: read that link that just appeared here Nov 14 19:08:34 MohammadAG: you really should learn to know about lemmings and noobs Nov 14 19:08:37 jacekowski: DocScrutinizer already showed him Nov 14 19:08:57 and I've had "experiences of luck" in the past, while porting linux to another PDA I was lucky to not overwrite a bootloader which existence I wasn't aware at first and would have bricked the phone Nov 14 19:08:58 DocScrutinizer: agreed, noobs are everywhere Nov 14 19:10:00 thanks Nov 14 19:10:14 I *ultimatly* recommend keeping things like coldflash instructions off pages that are first landing zone for clueless joe avarage user Nov 14 19:10:36 using Unix shell to process audio: ft < in|awk '$2<3'|ifft > bassline Nov 14 19:10:53 DocScrutinizer, Search and Destroy Nov 14 19:11:12 MohammadAG: *sigh* Nov 14 19:11:18 fft < in|awk '{$2=($2*.8+l[$2]*.2);l[$2]=$2}1'|ifft > echoeffect Nov 14 19:12:04 don't you think - when and if you're accepting you've done something suboptimal - then it'd be politically correct *you* fix it? Nov 14 19:12:12 DocScrutinizer, please do it, I've never done any moving on wikis Nov 14 19:12:21 me neither Nov 14 19:12:22 it is Nov 14 19:12:41 oh, bummer lol Nov 14 19:12:46 MohammadAG: just make a new page, paste to it the stuff, then delete the stuff from old page Nov 14 19:12:56 hell there's c&p in your middle mousebutton, and tehre's rollback on wiki Nov 14 19:13:03 so did Dublin swallow everyone whole? Nov 14 19:13:13 jacekowski: there are other poor guys occasionally crashing their NOLO and urban legend even from gurus is "take it to Nokia care, there's no way to flash new NOLO without a jig" <- that was exactly my case, but I always make sure before starting such urban legends, especially since I couldn't find anything conclusive online Nov 14 19:13:21 Venemo_N900, heh, already deleted Nov 14 19:14:23 meanwhile, my broadcom card starts drooling Nov 14 19:15:12 I've had this phone for less than a week and it hasn't stopped impressing me Nov 14 19:15:16 MohammadAG: anyway, many thanks for caring about moving the stuff to wiki. Much appreciated Nov 14 19:15:35 I'm also quite leased that unlike many other ports that I've seen, maemo's kernel is not just a hack to make it work Nov 14 19:15:43 DocScrutinizer, can you do something in return? Fry as many broadcoms as you can Nov 14 19:15:48 leased = pleased Nov 14 19:15:49 Choom: yes it is Nov 14 19:15:56 Choom: many hacks there Nov 14 19:16:05 MohammadAG: I'll muse about it while taking a shower Nov 14 19:16:06 DocScrutinizer, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing Nov 14 19:16:08 well at least the interfaces work as expected from the outside Nov 14 19:16:14 MohammadAG: cool Nov 14 19:16:15 jacekowski, can you please confirm it's the correct sequence? Nov 14 19:16:24 can i ask a question about qsettings please? :) Nov 14 19:16:46 if i save the settings like follows : settings.setValue("label1", ui->label_1->text()); , how to i read it back in? Nov 14 19:16:59 NooBmonk3y, value() most probably Nov 14 19:17:12 as with most setValue()s Nov 14 19:17:40 :| Nov 14 19:17:51 MohammadAG: yes Nov 14 19:17:55 MohammadAG: almost Nov 14 19:18:05 MohammadAG: because phone has to stay connected and powered up Nov 14 19:18:11 MohammadAG: to flash it Nov 14 19:18:27 MohammadAG: so no starting it with "u" key pressed Nov 14 19:18:57 well obviously that won't work without a bootloader Nov 14 19:19:17 so next thing you have to do is normal flash command with a flasher Nov 14 19:19:21 so after those commands, just run the flasher command to flash the bootloader? Nov 14 19:19:23 straight after coldflash Nov 14 19:19:29 yes Nov 14 19:19:56 best add it to cmdline with && Nov 14 19:20:08 if that works like expected Nov 14 19:20:18 i don't think so Nov 14 19:20:23 it will take a second to boot Nov 14 19:20:25 but maybe Nov 14 19:20:35 http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/5z5jkxk0/Selection_002.png << QT Qsettings erro :| Nov 14 19:20:40 && sleep 10 && Nov 14 19:20:48 i.e flasher-3.5 -F image.bin --flash-only=nolo right? Nov 14 19:20:58 something like that Nov 14 19:21:03 yup Nov 14 19:21:12 && sleep 10 && flasher-3.5 -F image.bin --flash-only=nolo Nov 14 19:21:16 or just -2nd -scnd Nov 14 19:21:22 using unpacked files Nov 14 19:22:13 MohammadAG: nevertheless you might want to link to ~coldflash Nov 14 19:23:11 always good to mention source of info, for those who want to check Nov 14 19:23:17 does it fail without sleep? Nov 14 19:23:17 in my experience the flasher is generally happy to wait for things to appear Nov 14 19:23:51 sp3000: but phone will connect then disconnect and then connect again Nov 14 19:24:22 so a sleep 10 won't hurt Nov 14 19:24:58 sp3000, in your experience, there was a bootloader :P Nov 14 19:25:46 alterego, any ideas? -> http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/5z5jkxk0/Selection_002.png Nov 14 19:26:19 ~coldflash Nov 14 19:26:20 i heard coldflash is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 and next ~200 posts, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing Nov 14 19:26:31 quite possible :) Nov 14 19:26:51 jacekowski: /me is wondering wtf this ASIC might be Nov 14 19:27:27 ~tell NooBmonk3y about pastebin Nov 14 19:27:30 it's better than images :P Nov 14 19:28:00 jacekowski: can't really see any ASIC in schematics Nov 14 19:28:15 or maybe they call RAPUYAMA an ASIC? Nov 14 19:28:16 meh Nov 14 19:28:25 NooBmonk3y, use .toString() Nov 14 19:28:34 DocScrutinizer: http://www.and-developers.com/custom_recovery:mbmloader_replacement_attack Nov 14 19:29:03 ahhhhhhhhhh Nov 14 19:29:05 ty MohammadAG Nov 14 19:29:11 tried that but in the wrong place, working now :) Nov 14 19:29:22 WTF, kills my browser?! o.O Nov 14 19:29:58 why unpack the fiasco before flashing, there? Nov 14 19:29:59 hi again Nov 14 19:30:17 AutoDisconnect disconnected me Nov 14 19:30:19 sp3000, I think you need to supply images manually Nov 14 19:30:26 KDE4, great :-/ Nov 14 19:30:29 since it can't find hardware revision Nov 14 19:30:36 random segfaults Nov 14 19:30:56 but you're giving it one, so... Nov 14 19:31:26 also, a bit helpful for those new to packaging: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Packaging Nov 14 19:31:57 DocScrutinizer, sigh http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=873275&postcount=363 Nov 14 19:32:09 "does hostmode work with the default kernal after the last update ? " Nov 14 19:32:21 that is, I've never needed to unpack for cold flash Nov 14 19:32:33 granted it may have been a different flasher Nov 14 19:32:48 MohammadAG: flamethrower Nov 14 19:33:08 DocScrutinizer: anyways, format of asic id is explained on that page Nov 14 19:33:25 jacekowski: just reading Nov 14 19:33:55 MohammadAG: ~debian Nov 14 19:34:20 MohammadAG: you should update #1 Nov 14 19:34:55 yay, working! Nov 14 19:35:16 MohammadAG: bad answer to that guy Nov 14 19:35:31 Venemo_N900, -1 for me? :( Nov 14 19:35:33 MohammadAG: you should have asked him what a 'kernal' is Nov 14 19:37:23 MohammadAG: :P Nov 14 19:38:23 * MohammadAG feels confused :P Nov 14 19:39:29 MohammadAG: noobs like that guy always make typos Nov 14 19:39:39 hi Nov 14 19:40:05 hello Serpent Nov 14 19:40:46 how could i swap graphics tiles for particular ascii characters in osso-xterm? ;) Nov 14 19:40:49 I have just purchased a second hand n900 and want to know how to set it to factory defaults Nov 14 19:41:03 Serpent: flash it Nov 14 19:41:19 Serpent: see Nov 14 19:41:26 ~flashng Nov 14 19:41:28 ~flashing Nov 14 19:41:28 well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 14 19:41:44 Serpent: that page should help you Nov 14 19:42:30 I have read through it, but I dont know which to flash first, rootfs or eMMC Nov 14 19:43:26 Serpent: it doesn't really matter (at least it worked for me whichever I did first) Nov 14 19:43:44 whats the difference between them? Nov 14 19:44:06 When flashing the eMMC content, always flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image and then flash the eMMC. Do not boot up the device between the two i.e do NOT use the -R parameter at the end! Nov 14 19:44:10 rootfs is the operating system, emmc is the user storage area Nov 14 19:44:20 though indeed, it does not matter, just don't use -R Nov 14 19:44:24 Serpent: the rootfs image willwipe the rootfs and all the system components on it Nov 14 19:44:46 then why do I need to flash the eMMC? Nov 14 19:44:52 Serpent: eMMc wipes out and resets all the data on the eMMc (the 32 GB storage) Nov 14 19:45:06 Serpent: first flash eMMC, though it's written differently Nov 14 19:45:18 MohammadAG: I'm home now, did you get that scrollable area to work? Nov 14 19:45:35 alterego, it's like fapman, so I'm cursing it Nov 14 19:45:46 DocScrutinizer: why does it matter? Nov 14 19:45:50 alterego, it always shows a horizontal scroll bar Nov 14 19:45:56 MohammadAG: what are you cursing Nov 14 19:46:08 MohammadAG: you're doing it wrong then :P Nov 14 19:46:24 MohammadAG: I'll just do a mockup and upload it for you ;) Nov 14 19:46:24 scrollArea->setHorizontalScrollBarPolicy(Qt::ScrollBarAlwaysOff); <-- got rid of the whole area Nov 14 19:46:30 because when booting up a fresh rootfs, you see optification. Then flash eMMC and end with borked system Nov 14 19:46:38 alterego, no wait Nov 14 19:46:41 You want the entire mainwindow to be just a list of buttons? Nov 14 19:46:49 MohammadAG, ! yay! Nov 14 19:46:59 Venemo_N900: other way round it's not that bad if you boot accidentally Nov 14 19:47:02 ok, sad i know, but the load and save buttons work, kinda Nov 14 19:47:18 DocScrutinizer: if I'm not gonna boot up between them, does it matter which one comes first? Nov 14 19:47:24 They save them, and then load them, no kinda "save to file1" style though lol Nov 14 19:47:25 no Nov 14 19:47:29 alterego, http://pastebin.com/cz4dDWHv Nov 14 19:47:35 MohammadAG: call scrollarea->setWidgetResizable(true); Nov 14 19:48:28 Remote the ScrollBarPolicy lines. Nov 14 19:48:35 emove Nov 14 19:48:36 MohammadAG: my way to deal with noobish quesions http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=586545&postcount=38 Nov 14 19:50:05 lol Venemo_N900 Nov 14 19:50:09 alterego, /me tries :P Nov 14 19:50:52 alterego: do you have a good idea for a Maemo app? Nov 14 19:50:59 that scrollarea stuff is really tricky imo ;-0 Nov 14 19:51:07 Venemo_N900: no, not really, it's half my problem tbh Nov 14 19:51:17 MohammadAG: Also, remove setGeometry .. Nov 14 19:51:32 alterego: I would need to make one for the mobile linux applications course, but I have no idea Nov 14 19:51:41 alterego, Qt Creator, I don't need it as I set layouts Nov 14 19:52:13 alterego: currently my idea is that I make a GPS tracker app, but I'd rather make something unique Nov 14 19:52:14 Designer is gay, lrn2code proper :P Nov 14 19:52:33 What about a GPS anti-tracker, tells you where you're not :) Nov 14 19:52:56 alterego, agreed, but too late to switch with 6 windows :P Nov 14 19:52:57 alterego: well every GPS tracker is an anti-tracker too Nov 14 19:53:24 alterego: it tells you that you're not in anywhere but the red dot on the map Nov 14 19:53:33 alterego: WYSIWYG is gay, lrn2use hexedit? Nov 14 19:53:46 so, eMMC content 10.2010.13-2 thats the latest bin, isnt it? Nov 14 19:54:11 Serpent: if you say so Nov 14 19:54:24 DocScrutinizer: yeah, pretty much :P Nov 14 19:54:44 in the wiki, it says 2 images and the flasher, but I cant find the rootfs bin Nov 14 19:54:53 I think everytime I've used Qt Designer, I've got pissed off and rewritten it by han. Nov 14 19:55:53 Serpent: you need COMBINED, VANILLA, and the flasher package Nov 14 19:56:14 whats a good price for the n900 at this point? Nov 14 19:56:49 alterego: why? Nov 14 19:57:02 Serpent: COMBINED is rootfs_et-al fiasco img, VANILLA is the eMMC img Nov 14 19:57:02 alterego: it makes an xml file, doesn't it? Nov 14 19:57:13 Because it never seems to do what I want it to :P Nov 14 19:57:20 DocScrutinizer: thanks Nov 14 19:57:29 alterego: hm Nov 14 19:57:51 alterego: so far I managed to tell it what I want it to do :P Nov 14 19:58:14 It's fine for really simple stuff, Nov 14 19:58:42 It just starts to anny me, and all my apps tend to have custom widgets and I can't be bothered to write plugins for designer to handle them. Nov 14 19:58:43 yeah Nov 14 19:59:03 alterego: no need to write plugins for that Nov 14 19:59:33 alterego: there is a "promote to..." feature with which you can tell it about custom widgets Nov 14 20:00:30 Really, interesting. Nov 14 20:00:38 How do I do that then? :) Nov 14 20:01:03 alterego: right click, promote to.., then tell it the name of the class Nov 14 20:01:15 alterego: and the base class's name too Nov 14 20:07:04 MohammadAG: you might consider to actually "never again subscribe to any tmo thread" (reminder), and instead next time open a thread on h-e-n ML (maybe [user] yet to create), and just drop a note to tmo and instantly close the tmo thread after doing so Nov 14 20:07:13 Permission denied (publickey). Nov 14 20:07:22 Anyone knows why autobuilder no longer allows me login? Nov 14 20:07:55 RST38h: messed up your ssh keys? Nov 14 20:08:13 again? Nov 14 20:08:19 with no intervention from myself? Nov 14 20:08:29 :shrug: Nov 14 20:09:12 RST38h: maybe poke x-fade Nov 14 20:09:19 either that, or... something different :-P Nov 14 20:09:25 ok, I found another Qt bug Nov 14 20:10:01 DocScrutinizer, one of us has to be a mod tbh Nov 14 20:10:06 at least for that section Nov 14 20:10:09 or that thread only Nov 14 20:10:11 I remapped the Fn+z, Fn+x and Fn+c key combos Nov 14 20:10:29 and now I can not input these 3 characters in uppercase Nov 14 20:10:29 MohammadAG: ping chem|st Nov 14 20:10:46 but only in Qt apps, Gtk ones work fine Nov 14 20:11:05 chem|st: you bet *I* won't go mod for tmo Nov 14 20:11:19 err, MohammadAG ^^^ Nov 14 20:11:25 chem|st: sorry ETAB Nov 14 20:13:56 MohammadAG: >>> hello joerg_rw, hi, how can i know which kernal im on now ? thanks <<< Nov 14 20:14:20 DocScrutinizer, rm -rf /lib/modules and reboot, that's how Nov 14 20:14:20 WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH! Nov 14 20:14:30 (don't do that @ everyone) Nov 14 20:15:36 DocScrutinizer: ask him what a 'kernal' is already Nov 14 20:15:52 MohammadAG: lol at that :D Nov 14 20:16:03 done, thanks all Nov 14 20:16:12 Venemo_N900: "send me the device, I'll look it up for you!" Nov 14 20:16:21 you're welcome Serpent :) Nov 14 20:16:40 DocScrutinizer: btw, isn't uname the command that does that? Nov 14 20:16:49 orly?? Nov 14 20:17:13 DocScrutinizer: I'm a linux noob, that's why I'm asking Nov 14 20:17:18 Venemo_N900, he was being sarcastic, he knows about uname :P Nov 14 20:17:38 shit cannot upload Nov 14 20:17:52 how often does maemo.org import ssh keys from the settings? Nov 14 20:17:58 Venemo_N900, uname -r Nov 14 20:18:08 MohammadAG: ok, but I was not sure about it myself Nov 14 20:18:13 30 minutes I think Nov 14 20:18:30 * RST38h sighs and waits Nov 14 20:18:48 probably 05 and 35, as all other things Nov 14 20:19:23 magic of cron Nov 14 20:21:23 kinky, N86 not booting with the microSD in it Nov 14 20:21:40 haha Nov 14 20:21:42 MohammadAG: what if you first boot it, then put the card in? Nov 14 20:21:50 MohammadAG: it has uBoot Nov 14 20:22:05 Venemo_N900, doing that, got used to symbian Nov 14 20:22:13 MohammadAG: (actually not completely kidding) Nov 14 20:22:14 MohammadAG: hehe Nov 14 20:22:43 sigh, date and time gone Nov 14 20:22:51 * DocScrutinizer burps Nov 14 20:23:08 any tips on where I should start? Nov 14 20:23:20 it keeps crashing when I put the card in it Nov 14 20:23:24 Serpent: with that? Nov 14 20:23:29 Serpent: with what? Nov 14 20:23:58 MohammadAG: well I think you just lost all the data on that card Nov 14 20:23:58 aps and the like, its my first smart phone Nov 14 20:24:07 crashes upon inserting microSD Nov 14 20:24:15 Serpent: oh, congrats :) Nov 14 20:24:18 reformat microsd? Nov 14 20:24:23 Venemo_N900, I was formatting it Nov 14 20:24:38 then the N86 rebooted midformat Nov 14 20:24:57 Serpent: well there are lots of apps in the community repos, and a few useful ones in Ovi store Nov 14 20:25:14 MohammadAG: (date & time lost) http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-November/063733.html Nov 14 20:25:21 [ 540.576934] mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card Nov 14 20:25:22 DocScrutinizer, N86 Nov 14 20:25:36 I get that error with the N900 and my PC, shall I throw the microSD out? Nov 14 20:25:46 MohammadAG: so what? it has the same crappy bupbat like FR and N900 Nov 14 20:25:59 no? Nov 14 20:26:00 Serpent: if you're familiar with any desktop Linux distro, it'll be fairly easy Nov 14 20:26:14 Serpent: if not, that's not a problem either Nov 14 20:26:19 [ 598.881713] mmc0: error -19 whilst initialising SD card Nov 14 20:26:25 [ 599.415466] mmc0: cover is closed, card is now accessible Nov 14 20:26:25 [ 600.009002] mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card Nov 14 20:26:31 Serpent: you can use the application manager to look around Nov 14 20:26:40 Venemo_N900: yes, I have been using linux for 10 years or so Nov 14 20:26:48 * MohammadAG throws card Nov 14 20:26:50 Serpent: :) Nov 14 20:27:28 Serpent: well Maemo is Debian-based, which means it works pretty similarly Nov 14 20:27:32 I'd like to thank Symbian for ruining my card Nov 14 20:27:52 Serpent: see tmo for what apps other recommend Nov 14 20:28:04 MohammadAG: well it didn't ruin mine Nov 14 20:28:14 MohammadAG: HAHA Nov 14 20:28:17 it rebooted midformat Nov 14 20:28:20 all of a sudden Nov 14 20:28:32 tmo? Nov 14 20:28:42 and why did I format it? cause it was locked with a symbian device Nov 14 20:28:42 Serpent: tmo = talk.maemo.org Nov 14 20:28:52 which follows no standard whatsoever! Nov 14 20:29:00 MohammadAG: check bmo for a fix that "destroys some sandisk cards" or sth lke that Nov 14 20:29:12 it's 4GBs, I used to use for MeeGo weekly builds :/ Nov 14 20:29:38 DocScrutinizer, it's not a sandisk, thankfully, I have that 16GB card somewhere else Nov 14 20:29:42 * MohammadAG ponders where Nov 14 20:30:01 MohammadAG: no idea, the exact wording might differ Nov 14 20:30:02 Serpent: if you are not afraid, you can also get yourself in-development apps from the -devel repo (not really recommended to end users though) Nov 14 20:30:17 DocScrutinizer, wasn't that fixed in 1.3? Nov 14 20:30:25 Stskeeps referred to it as card-rape Nov 14 20:30:35 also I think I've seen it as NB# on one of the patchbatches Nov 14 20:30:50 yes Nov 14 20:32:59 ok MohammadAG ........... i'm ready to package a new version of MaeCount lol Nov 14 20:33:40 NooBmonk3y, get the old source, copy my debian package into your source directory, run dch to edit the changelog then push Nov 14 20:33:54 NooBmonk3y, also, I suggest that since you're on linux, create an SSH key and upload with it Nov 14 20:33:55 ooo that be a clever idea! Nov 14 20:34:02 NooBmonk3y, another thing, you should have scratchbox Nov 14 20:34:02 erm, one bit at a time lol Nov 14 20:34:07 ^^ Nov 14 20:34:16 will get to those last two bits in a sec! Nov 14 20:34:45 you need scratchbox to build a package :p Nov 14 20:34:53 pants....... Nov 14 20:34:56 idk how to/if you can use MADDE Nov 14 20:35:00 so i cant just edit your lot and re-upload? Nov 14 20:35:03 NooBmonk3y: you can totally do it with the Qt SDK Nov 14 20:35:12 Venemo_N900, ?!?!?! Nov 14 20:35:17 * NooBmonk3y cuddles Venemo_N900 !! Nov 14 20:35:29 NooBmonk3y, no, obviously not :P Nov 14 20:35:31 Now dont tell me i coulda done it in windows, lol! - i jjust formatted and setup ubuntu Nov 14 20:35:45 ~maemosdk Nov 14 20:35:46 somebody said maemosdk was http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation Nov 14 20:35:51 install that :# Nov 14 20:35:51 :3* Nov 14 20:35:52 NooBmonk3y: I have made Sticky Notes and also packaged it on Windows with the Nokia Qt SDK Nov 14 20:35:53 meh Nov 14 20:35:57 oh ffs!!! Nov 14 20:36:04 MOHAMMAD!!!! Nov 14 20:36:08 * NooBmonk3y sulks Nov 14 20:36:11 anyway..... Nov 14 20:36:24 i'm now on ubuntu lol Nov 14 20:36:24 Venemo_N900, with changelogs and all? Nov 14 20:36:32 * DocScrutinizer googles for :3* Nov 14 20:36:33 (and sources) Nov 14 20:36:42 MohammadAG: yes, of course Nov 14 20:36:53 asshead on ice? Nov 14 20:36:56 then it's possible to use MADDE on ubuntu I guess Nov 14 20:36:57 Mohammad,Doc: uploaded new xchat, let us see what autobuilder says Nov 14 20:36:57 MohammadAG, would you mind ever so much if you bitch slapped yourself please :) Nov 14 20:37:11 Venemo_N900, can you walk him through it? I package my stuff with scratchbox, the proper way :P Nov 14 20:37:17 yay! Nov 14 20:37:18 lol Nov 14 20:37:19 MohammadAG: although I had to save the files with Unix encoding Nov 14 20:37:22 * NooBmonk3y is a dumbass btw! Nov 14 20:37:24 RST38h, something like "WTF" Nov 14 20:37:27 jk Nov 14 20:37:36 probably Nov 14 20:37:41 MohammadAG: but 'mad dpkg-buildpackage' worked as it should Nov 14 20:37:50 Meanwhile, http://exiledonline.com/neocon-like-me-how-i-spent-a-year-in-iraq-teaching-with-the-bush-cheney-crazies/ Nov 14 20:37:55 NooBmonk3y: should I PM you? Nov 14 20:38:01 anyway i really should learn how to do this properly Nov 14 20:38:07 Venemo_N900, only if you have time! Nov 14 20:38:19 Venemo_N900, so that's how you run madde stuff.... Nov 14 20:38:25 RST38h: I'm more interested in what HAM will tell me Nov 14 20:38:32 well the way I did it worked for both Scratchbox and MAADE Nov 14 20:38:35 DocScrutinizer, HAM will say Mooooooar Bacon Nov 14 20:38:36 MADDE* Nov 14 20:38:44 Cool - well, i assume i have madde on ubuntu? Nov 14 20:38:45 DocScrutinizer, [!] Nov 14 20:38:58 NooBmonk3y, yes, the SDK has MADDE Nov 14 20:39:01 yay! Nov 14 20:39:05 Doc: Nothing unusual I hope Nov 14 20:39:10 * NooBmonk3y really is a simpleton lol Nov 14 20:39:28 NooBmonk3y: don't worry, I'll help ya Nov 14 20:39:29 RST38h: just "Problems: qt4foobarxy" Nov 14 20:39:33 like always Nov 14 20:39:37 1.2 Nov 14 20:39:49 naaah,xchat does not use qt Nov 14 20:40:33 * MohammadAG shouts at autobuilder, build asshole, BUILD, you have 1 minute Nov 14 20:40:35 MohammadAG, do i need to request to be maintainer to upload the new version? Nov 14 20:40:40 so what new exciting chrome it's get me? Nov 14 20:40:51 it'll* Nov 14 20:41:07 NooBmonk3y, was I set as a maintainer? Nov 14 20:41:19 I didn't check lol Nov 14 20:41:31 think so Nov 14 20:41:35 DocScrutinizer, my patch to fix the icon, should display the xchat icon instead of a Nov 14 20:41:51 NooBmonk3y, request it, I'll approve and ask X-Fade to remove me when he's back Nov 14 20:42:08 hmm Nov 14 20:42:13 cool! Nov 14 20:42:19 * MohammadAG shouts @ autobuilder, you missed the import Nov 14 20:42:30 * MohammadAG resets timer to another 30 minutes Nov 14 20:43:02 how much are 32GB microSDs? Nov 14 20:43:11 * DocScrutinizer does a jig dance of joy, and screams and shouts "new icon, NEW ICON!!" - neighbours call police :-P Nov 14 20:43:12 a lot Nov 14 20:43:17 and most are slow Nov 14 20:43:35 * RST38h calls police on Doc Nov 14 20:43:47 hrm... Nov 14 20:45:07 MohammadAG, Maintainer Requested For Maecount Nov 14 20:45:07 Your request has been stored. Nov 14 20:45:15 trying http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd, but it can't seem to find my n900 Nov 14 20:45:39 * MohammadAG starts thunderbird Nov 14 20:46:01 Dhraakellian: charge battery! start flasher. plug in unpowered N900 Nov 14 20:46:53 Dhraakellian: if you've not screwed up, then your battery might last until you're done Nov 14 20:47:45 Dhraakellian: bootlooping eats batery like mad Nov 14 20:47:48 NooBmonk3y, Component org.maemo.packages failed to handle the request lol Nov 14 20:48:07 lol Nov 14 20:48:29 looks like it approved you though Nov 14 20:48:34 Suitable USB device not found, waiting. Nov 14 20:48:35 Unable to enumerate USB devices! Nov 14 20:48:54 the second line comes when I plug in the powered-off n900 Nov 14 20:49:00 yup it did MohammadAG :) Nov 14 20:49:04 that's weird Nov 14 20:49:20 Windows? Nov 14 20:49:29 Dhraakellian: remove battery, plug in, re-insert battery Nov 14 20:49:30 openSUSE 11.3 Nov 14 20:49:39 running as root? Nov 14 20:49:58 also, 32/64 bit? Nov 14 20:50:00 DocScrutinizer: ah! I was putting the battery back in first Nov 14 20:50:07 Dhraakellian: hold 'u' (though that's not supposed to do anything) Nov 14 20:50:18 32-bit, running with sudo, holding 'u' Nov 14 20:50:54 DocScrutinizer, I almost successfully flashed a device with hostmode Nov 14 20:51:03 (N900 -> N900 connection) Nov 14 20:51:05 heh :-D Nov 14 20:51:30 you know why it failed? the guy got scared and pulled the USB cable Nov 14 20:51:42 hehheh Nov 14 20:51:43 now we only need a virtual loopback on USB :-P Nov 14 20:51:52 LOL Nov 14 20:51:57 (it went into flashing mode properly, and flasher on the device detected the N900) Nov 14 20:52:06 yeah... I'm getting the failure message as soon as the n900 buzzes to life Nov 14 20:52:09 and before I rebooted his N900 it said Charging Nov 14 20:52:31 Hold that grenade, but DON'T DROP IT! --- WHAAAT?? *booom* Nov 14 20:52:45 drop the grenade, throw the pin Nov 14 20:52:50 wait, I think I might have that backwards Nov 14 20:53:12 hmm Nov 14 20:53:27 * Dhraakellian wonders if he should track down a debian/ubuntu-based computer somewhere in the house Nov 14 20:53:49 it should work just fine with openSUSE, ask DocScrutinizer Nov 14 20:53:54 Dhraakellian: lsmod|grep g_ Nov 14 20:53:57 rmmod Nov 14 20:54:01 * NooBmonk3y has just destroyed a windows 7 one to make an ubuntu one lol Nov 14 20:54:21 nf_defrag_ipv4 1201 1 nf_conntrack_ipv4 Nov 14 20:54:24 you removed windows? Nov 14 20:54:30 nope Nov 14 20:54:38 not that one Nov 14 20:54:50 g_ether, g_anyshit Nov 14 20:55:12 or was it cdc_* Nov 14 20:55:45 MohammadAG, Gone! (only have an 80gb HDD in here) Nov 14 20:56:22 * MohammadAG had windows and ubuntu on a 120GB HDD Nov 14 20:56:29 40GB once Nov 14 20:56:31 mind a 3-line paste? Nov 14 20:56:37 nope Nov 14 20:56:40 cdc_phonet 5533 0 Nov 14 20:56:42 phonet 22229 1 cdc_phonet Nov 14 20:56:43 usbcore 191575 5 cdc_phonet,usb_storage,uhci_hcd,ehci_hcd Nov 14 20:56:50 Dhraakellian: also, as flasher scans all USB ports sequentially (AIUI), it might help to provide proper USB port name to flasher Nov 14 20:56:52 but your question makes it a 4 line paste Nov 14 20:56:55 * MohammadAG kicks, jk :P Nov 14 20:57:09 cdc_phonet is mega-evil here :-) Nov 14 20:57:22 rmmod that sucker? Nov 14 20:57:23 isn't that for modem crap? Nov 14 20:57:25 yep Nov 14 20:57:32 yep Nov 14 20:58:05 when's the MeeGo conference again? Nov 14 20:58:11 I'm sure it wasn't 12AM :P Nov 14 20:58:19 also usb_storage might interfere Nov 14 20:59:19 DocScrutinizer: it keeps coming back Nov 14 20:59:26 :-/ Nov 14 21:00:21 you made sure you're keeping 'u' pressed, so N900 won't skip over the detection window? Nov 14 21:00:33 at this point, I'm considering just futzing around inside NITDroid to see if I can get it to mount things mounted read-write Nov 14 21:01:04 DocScrutinizer: it's erroring out as soon as the n900 vibrates that it's booting Nov 14 21:01:41 then try different sequence: plug in while 'u', then immediately start flasher Nov 14 21:01:48 1s Nov 14 21:01:49 okay, split second after Nov 14 21:01:51 Almost finished porting my custom widgets to Qml Nov 14 21:02:41 no Nov 14 21:02:49 it should vibrate when it boots into flashing mode afaik Nov 14 21:02:54 you don't need to press the power button Nov 14 21:02:55 I as well had issues with making it flash Nov 14 21:02:58 it shouldn't* Nov 14 21:03:38 who said "power button"? Nov 14 21:03:54 MohammadAG: I'm not Nov 14 21:03:58 just 'u' Nov 14 21:04:09 Suitable USB device not found, waiting. Nov 14 21:04:10 USB device found found at bus 001, device address 057. Nov 14 21:04:12 Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy Nov 14 21:04:12 it vibrates when doing that? Nov 14 21:04:18 yes Nov 14 21:04:25 sorry, always have my device in R&D mode Nov 14 21:04:36 plug in, hold 'u', insert battery, gasp, hit return on flasher Nov 14 21:05:04 Device or resource busy, try a different port(?) Nov 14 21:05:17 or reboot I guess, some module is keeping the port busy Nov 14 21:05:56 frack need more hands Nov 14 21:06:08 Dhraakellian: (Device or resource busy) rmmod :-/ Nov 14 21:06:19 reboot Nov 14 21:06:23 yeah, I always wondered why we had only 2 hands Nov 14 21:06:46 remove other USB stuff Nov 14 21:06:56 aka unplug it Nov 14 21:07:22 cdc_phonet MUST NOT come up Nov 14 21:07:31 DocScrutinizer: well, when I didn't drop stuff, that last order apperas to have worked Nov 14 21:07:36 'course, the backlight isn't on Nov 14 21:08:44 http://pastebin.ca/1991524 Nov 14 21:08:50 since when does revision 2001 exist? Nov 14 21:09:02 I've only seen 2101 Nov 14 21:09:20 Dhraakellian, so it worked :) Nov 14 21:09:35 and I'm glad I have the bright overhead light on Nov 14 21:10:02 * MohammadAG wants to be able to boot that image using uBoot Nov 14 21:10:06 OMFG you're doing WHAT exactly? Nov 14 21:10:20 Recovery image DocScrutinizer Nov 14 21:10:29 aaaaah Nov 14 21:10:33 lost that Nov 14 21:10:41 which reminds me Nov 14 21:10:43 I need to try it again Nov 14 21:10:56 so, let's see... to edit that /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini (?) file... Nov 14 21:11:21 USB storage mode, mount, and go in with desktop-side vim? Nov 14 21:11:27 yep Nov 14 21:13:29 cya all Nov 14 21:13:29 hmm Nov 14 21:13:49 Dhraakellian, or ssh Nov 14 21:14:16 well usb storage exports the 32GB eMMC afaik, not the root partitions Nov 14 21:14:20 so ssh it is Nov 14 21:14:23 yarr Nov 14 21:14:26 noticing that now Nov 14 21:14:28 it'll be on port 22, IP 192.168.2.15 Nov 14 21:16:04 connection timed out Nov 14 21:16:12 enabled USB networking Nov 14 21:16:23 hmm... recovery terminal to start sshd? Nov 14 21:18:11 no, sshd is started when you press N Nov 14 21:18:34 ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.15 port 22: Connection timed out Nov 14 21:19:01 iirc it exports both fs. Need replug probably Nov 14 21:19:33 lolwtf Nov 14 21:19:35 mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~/recovery$ sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.14 Nov 14 21:19:35 mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~/recovery$ ssh root@192.168.2.15 Nov 14 21:19:35 ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.15 port 22: Connection refused Nov 14 21:19:47 is it possible that the new power kernel breaks the led? :/ Nov 14 21:20:06 I don't get any led notification that sms'es arrive, that my phone is charging etc ... Nov 14 21:20:10 hell, not exporting / would be failwale Nov 14 21:20:30 failwhale it is Nov 14 21:21:02 it appears dpkg diversions can get around the "ssu enforcement" metapackage Nov 14 21:21:11 or am I wrong? Nov 14 21:22:30 When using USB storage mode the initrd mounts eMMC and the microSD card - BWAHAHAHAAAAHAA Nov 14 21:23:15 * Dhraakellian is ever so close to stabbing something now Nov 14 21:23:45 and all this just to edit a single character on a single line of a single file to keep hildon-desktop from crashing on me and shutting down the phone Nov 14 21:23:49 #meego's dead too Nov 14 21:24:10 what port does it effing run ssh on Nov 14 21:24:25 Dhraakellian: try recovery console, and edit directly on N900 Nov 14 21:24:40 DocScrutinizer: sure, I was gonna do that Nov 14 21:24:51 ...but how do I type the friggin '/'? Nov 14 21:25:05 LOL Nov 14 21:25:09 dejavu Nov 14 21:25:09 you don't, that's the problem with the intrd Nov 14 21:25:20 use CTRL+I to tab Nov 14 21:25:29 ! Nov 14 21:25:33 btw Nov 14 21:25:50 you need to modprobe ubifs and mount the ubi0:rootfs block Nov 14 21:26:11 from the recovery console? Nov 14 21:26:19 sure Nov 14 21:26:27 why not? :-D Nov 14 21:26:28 MohammadAG, i need a linux geek lol! Nov 14 21:26:32 gives my unknown module format fyi Nov 14 21:26:45 How do i add a folder path to the linux PATH thingy, so i can run a file from within that folder ? Nov 14 21:26:49 o/ again Nov 14 21:27:02 god i'm useless at describing things Nov 14 21:27:09 echo $PATH Nov 14 21:27:12 copy the shit in it Nov 14 21:27:21 yay Nov 14 21:27:23 then export PATH=paste;whatyouwanthere Nov 14 21:27:28 :* Nov 14 21:27:31 not ; Nov 14 21:27:50 but you have to do it in each shell, or add it to your profile Nov 14 21:27:54 MohammadAG: I didn't know that either, so thanks :J Nov 14 21:27:57 :) Nov 14 21:28:05 :D Nov 14 21:28:17 MohammadAG: how to add it to my profile? Nov 14 21:28:24 * MohammadAG sighs, ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.15 port 22: Connection refused, #meego's asleep Nov 14 21:28:30 oh my buffer kind of screwed me over Nov 14 21:28:48 I wanted to know what a good price for an n900 is Nov 14 21:29:06 Venemo_N900, nano ~/.profile Nov 14 21:29:12 scroll down, you'll figure it out :) Nov 14 21:29:29 MohammadAG: k, will check once I get home Nov 14 21:29:45 # set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists Nov 14 21:29:47 if [ -d "$HOME/bin" ] ; then Nov 14 21:29:47 PATH="$HOME/bin:$PATH" Nov 14 21:29:47 fi Nov 14 21:30:07 modprobe complains of an unknown symbol Nov 14 21:30:10 or just edit /etc/profile to edit all users' paths Nov 14 21:30:20 Dhraakellian, gives my unknown module format fyi Nov 14 21:30:33 so much for a recovery initrd Nov 14 21:30:51 Dhraakellian, got a microSD nearby? Nov 14 21:30:54 ok, the N900 survived the train journey without a single disconnection from the cellular network Nov 14 21:30:59 MohammadAG: a couple, yeah Nov 14 21:31:07 seems that this one has a better reception Nov 14 21:31:22 :| Nov 14 21:31:23 one with NITDroid, one 8GB class 6 Nov 14 21:31:33 it is in the repos! Nov 14 21:31:56 $PATH doesnt seem to want me to add /home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin Nov 14 21:32:05 also this was 3 hours of continuous usage with web, irc, and music, screen on, and the battery endured it Nov 14 21:32:16 Venemo_N900, but alot of NooBmonk3y harrassment! Nov 14 21:32:42 NooBmonk3y: that was no harassment Nov 14 21:32:45 MohammadAG: what are you recommending I do with said µSD? Nov 14 21:33:17 NooBmonk3y: packaging was so much of a pain for me that I always feel good when I can save some of the pain for others Nov 14 21:34:34 * Dhraakellian wishes he'd backed up photos more recently Nov 14 21:35:12 used the backup util a few package installations ago, sometime last week, but I haven't actually copied over stuff from the camera in a while Nov 14 21:35:25 otherwise, I'd just do a full-on reflash at this point Nov 14 21:35:26 oh ffs Nov 14 21:35:39 eMMC lives on a different device, flashing won't touch it Nov 14 21:35:40 can you not add anything in /home/user to path? Nov 14 21:35:51 why? Nov 14 21:35:57 just add /home/user to PATH Nov 14 21:35:58 cos it wont let me add my folder Nov 14 21:36:05 MohammadAG: hmm... Nov 14 21:36:15 $PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/madbin Nov 14 21:36:19 thats what i'm trying Nov 14 21:36:27 but now I'm annoyed myself Nov 14 21:36:36 so? Nov 14 21:36:41 it should work Nov 14 21:37:05 /home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin: No such file or directory Nov 14 21:37:10 but it's there! Nov 14 21:37:13 i can see it Nov 14 21:37:24 and no capital letter mistakes! Nov 14 21:37:25 no, you add a directory, not the file itself Nov 14 21:37:35 that is the directory Nov 14 21:37:40 that is a directory Nov 14 21:37:40 mad is the file Nov 14 21:37:41 export PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo Nov 14 21:37:51 oh Nov 14 21:37:53 * MohammadAG checks Nov 14 21:37:53 :p Nov 14 21:37:55 ;) Nov 14 21:38:19 NooBmonk3y: are you sure you spelled it allright? Nov 14 21:38:42 copied it from the file properties window to make sure Nov 14 21:38:54 /home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/Maemo/madbin Nov 14 21:38:55 hm Nov 14 21:39:09 does cd work for that? Nov 14 21:39:27 as in, 'cd ' Nov 14 21:39:30 Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Nov 14 21:39:33 do i need to be root? Nov 14 21:39:42 no Nov 14 21:39:49 and no cd doesnt lol Nov 14 21:40:06 meh Nov 14 21:40:18 nah, train arrived!!! Nov 14 21:40:42 NooBmonk3y: well then try to find the directory correctly Nov 14 21:41:11 mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~$ /usr/bin/which dh_install Nov 14 21:41:16 /home/mohammad/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/dh_install Nov 14 21:41:16 muhahaha Nov 14 21:41:57 add madbin first Nov 14 21:41:59 mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~$ export PATH=/home/mohammad/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin:/home/mohammad/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games=/home/mohammad/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games Nov 14 21:41:59 mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~$ which dh_install Nov 14 21:41:59 /home/mohammad/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/dh_install Nov 14 21:42:03 bah battery low Nov 14 21:42:26 I would stop bme, but am afraid of the consequences Nov 14 21:42:50 There are few consequences really Nov 14 21:42:53 ok, well the cd now works, path doesnt Nov 14 21:42:55 heh Nov 14 21:43:12 SpeedEvil, his device didn't do autonomous charge once Nov 14 21:43:30 hmm Nov 14 21:43:34 SpeedEvil: last time the battery was so empty that the device didn't wanna charge it Nov 14 21:43:42 NooBmonk3y, export PATH=/home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/madbin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games Nov 14 21:43:43 Not even emergency charge? Nov 14 21:43:44 odd Nov 14 21:43:57 well this is another device Nov 14 21:44:03 I always forget Nov 14 21:44:04 stop bme then Nov 14 21:44:18 I think your old one was borked somehow Nov 14 21:44:27 mine always charges from flat Nov 14 21:44:35 ok, stopped bme Nov 14 21:44:44 power45 or not .. *thinking* Nov 14 21:44:57 mhm .. idea .. making a backup first :) Nov 14 21:45:00 anyway, I won't use it for hours like last ime Nov 14 21:45:04 $PATH=/home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games Nov 14 21:45:04 bash: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games=/home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games: No such file or directory Nov 14 21:45:30 SpeedEvil, MohammadAG: last time battery dropped to like 2.4 V Nov 14 21:45:54 * Dhraakellian plugs his n900 into a wall wart via a shorted out USB extension cord Nov 14 21:46:04 erm... data pins shorted together Nov 14 21:46:06 that's weird... Nov 14 21:46:16 mine shuts down on like 3.2 something Nov 14 21:46:20 hehe Nov 14 21:46:38 * Dhraakellian reads up on updating/flashing firmware Nov 14 21:46:39 NooBmonk3y: NO DOLLAR at start! Nov 14 21:46:40 well it was screen off, offline mode, and only music playback Nov 14 21:46:51 yay! Nov 14 21:46:53 done! Nov 14 21:46:53 lol Nov 14 21:46:56 bloody dollars Nov 14 21:47:05 and works! Nov 14 21:47:10 now where was i! Nov 14 21:47:12 NooBmonk3y, use export as I stated Nov 14 21:47:19 oh well Nov 14 21:47:31 the poor thing played music for 3 hours before dying Nov 14 21:47:51 and it was 'battery low' the entire afternoon before that Nov 14 21:47:52 * MohammadAG starts creating a small distro that only consists of basic bash shell and working terminal Nov 14 21:48:04 MohammadAG: what for? Nov 14 21:48:09 obviously, the MeeGo image is shit Nov 14 21:48:18 Venemo_N900, recovery Nov 14 21:48:25 MohammadAG: oh. Nov 14 21:48:57 MohammadAG: heard about such a distro but the name escapes me atm Nov 14 21:49:13 NooBmonk3y: so does it work? Nov 14 21:49:17 Dhraakellian: make sure it actually charges, and doesn't bootloop Nov 14 21:49:40 it's in a boot loop DocScrutinizer Nov 14 21:49:40 Dhraakellian: does it flash amber, and nothing else? Nov 14 21:49:43 you know Nov 14 21:49:50 the amber LED is fading in and out Nov 14 21:49:54 before you reflash, you could try R&D mode Nov 14 21:49:58 * Dhraakellian will wait for it to go green Nov 14 21:50:05 Dhraakellian: ack Nov 14 21:50:27 Dhraakellian, before reflashing, try flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset Nov 14 21:50:31 as root Nov 14 21:50:35 MohammadAG: bootloops on desktop segfault Nov 14 21:50:39 that _should_ start up the device Nov 14 21:50:44 DocScrutinizer: I have it powered off and plugged in just for charging Nov 14 21:50:51 DocScrutinizer, dsme causes the bootloop, what a retarded feature it is Nov 14 21:50:56 that flag kills dsme Nov 14 21:50:59 DocScrutinizer: yarr, which is why I'm not actually booting it Nov 14 21:51:09 ack Nov 14 21:51:10 as I said earlier today, I can use my N900 X-less Nov 14 21:51:16 Dhraakellian, before reflashing, try flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset Nov 14 21:51:21 actually, try it now Nov 14 21:51:25 Venemo_N900, Just realised something Nov 14 21:51:27 MohammadAG: x-less=? Nov 14 21:51:33 NooBmonk3y: yeah? Nov 14 21:51:34 then boot up the device normally, hildon-home might keep crashing Nov 14 21:51:39 got an error when running mad dpkg-buildpackage Nov 14 21:51:40 Venemo_N900, without an X server Nov 14 21:51:41 dpkg-buildpackage: error: unable to determine source changed by Nov 14 21:51:51 MohammadAG: yeah Nov 14 21:51:52 am i missing something? Nov 14 21:51:54 kill X on your device and it'll reboot Nov 14 21:51:57 NooBmonk3y: changelog file Nov 14 21:51:57 MohammadAG: ...but I can still go in with Vim and edit what needs to be edited? Nov 14 21:52:02 ooooo Nov 14 21:52:07 Dhraakellian, probably yes Nov 14 21:52:20 MohammadAG: kill bme and it'll reboot Nov 14 21:52:31 NooBmonk3y: put in it at least one entry, in the right format Nov 14 21:52:31 sounds familiar, no? Nov 14 21:52:39 NooBmonk3y: see mine for an example Nov 14 21:53:03 DocScrutinizer, bme isn't as vital as the desktop, at least according to Nokia's team Nov 14 21:53:22 MohammadAG: you missed my point Nov 14 21:53:28 seriously, was implementing something as easy as if reboots > 3 stop rebooting difficult? Nov 14 21:53:44 MohammadAG: try "stop matchbox" (s/matchbox//) Nov 14 21:54:11 DocScrutinizer: afaik matchbox is not running when hildon-desktop is running Nov 14 21:54:30 MohammadAG: this is already implemented, just see dmsetool --help Nov 14 21:54:49 DocScrutinizer, my dsme isn't alive anyways Nov 14 21:55:30 ooh, I can partition the eMMC with the recovery image Nov 14 21:55:41 and 64MBs unpartitioned, weird... Nov 14 21:56:02 due to geometry Nov 14 21:56:20 Venemo_N900: I don't think it can do that - I've had it measuring 0 when the internal cutout operated. Nov 14 21:56:22 hmm Nov 14 21:57:00 SpeedEvil: well this was what the guy at the Nokia repair centre told me Nov 14 21:57:22 k Nov 14 21:57:32 lol I like the Xorg failed to start message Nov 14 21:57:47 SpeedEvil: I have no reason not to believe him Nov 14 21:57:49 it says contact support.nokia.com, do they even know what X is? Nov 14 21:58:01 device will hard-shutdown on <3.2V iirc Nov 14 21:58:22 2.8 Nov 14 21:58:42 can you call it ANSI AVC next time Nov 14 21:59:05 or ANSI AVC.264 Nov 14 21:59:06 to drain it further you either need repeated bootups (which all fail), or some direct consumer, like LP5523 notif LED is still eating battery Nov 14 21:59:19 oh wrong chan Nov 14 21:59:50 * MohammadAG ponders decreasing swap Nov 14 22:00:09 make 2 swaps of half the size Nov 14 22:00:34 2724 is the lowest I see on several boots Nov 14 22:00:39 err Nov 14 22:00:46 okay, hildon-desktop just crashed on me... Nov 14 22:00:47 several discharges to hardware 'off' Nov 14 22:00:52 * Dhraakellian tries to remember what comes next Nov 14 22:01:03 Dhraakellian, but the device started right? Nov 14 22:01:11 At this point, it won't even startup at all Nov 14 22:01:17 < sevenless> IRC is just multiplayer notepad, yet it's very addictive Nov 14 22:01:24 yes, as it had, even before enabling R&D mode Nov 14 22:01:39 Dhraakellian: ssh Nov 14 22:01:42 Dhraakellian, no, I meant it's still on, right? Nov 14 22:01:49 yarr Nov 14 22:01:51 ^ Nov 14 22:02:03 hmm... seeing several widgets up in the corner, all piled on top of each other Nov 14 22:02:11 ignore them Nov 14 22:02:16 hehe Nov 14 22:02:23 DocScrutinizer, SpeedEvil: so the guy lied to me? Nov 14 22:02:24 seen this before Nov 14 22:02:26 they'll get rearranged when the desktop starts Nov 14 22:02:36 Venemo_N900: possibly Nov 14 22:03:09 now how to get to that terminal? Nov 14 22:03:11 Venemo_N900: I would hesitate on saying that. Nov 14 22:03:20 Dhraakellian, ssh Nov 14 22:03:27 anyway, after charging it manually, the N900 was able to charge it and that's what matters Nov 14 22:03:32 Venemo_N900: I could be wrong. Your battery may have been faulty. Your n900 may have been faulty. Nov 14 22:03:36 SpeedEvil: he likely was incompetent Nov 14 22:03:44 X terminal will probably not capture the kb input without a desktop Nov 14 22:03:45 MohammadAG: I don't have sshd running by default Nov 14 22:03:48 Venemo_N900: he may have measured the wrong pins, ... Nov 14 22:03:50 ... Nov 14 22:03:56 it's installed, but not running Nov 14 22:04:21 SpeedEvil: good point Nov 14 22:04:38 I'm missing something ridiculously obvious, aren't I? Nov 14 22:05:18 I tend to be reluctant to actually say people are lying intentionally, unless they earn about 10* average salary. Nov 14 22:05:26 Then you get people that do it professionally. Nov 14 22:05:46 :-D Nov 14 22:07:03 MohammadAG, how do i set a file as executable in terminal? Nov 14 22:07:16 chmod +x Nov 14 22:07:20 hmmmmmmm Nov 14 22:07:40 NooBmonk3y: If your qeustion is how do I make a file on mydocs executable - the answer is 'you can't Nov 14 22:08:38 naaa on an external HDD Nov 14 22:08:50 are then any programs for the n810 that will stream audio from the mic across the internet? Nov 14 22:09:52 * MohammadAG wants the tunewiki applet back :/ Nov 14 22:09:55 hi there, can anyone tell me which file to use for flashing "secondary" with 0xFFFF from the http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin? Nov 14 22:10:09 there seems to be no "secondary" for the 2104 hw revision inside Nov 14 22:10:23 where did you get the 2104? Nov 14 22:10:38 0xFFFF -i Nov 14 22:11:13 Can't exec "debian/rules": Permission denied at /home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/dpkg-buildpackage line 474. Nov 14 22:11:14 dpkg-buildpackage: failure: debian/rules clean failed with unknown exit code -1 Nov 14 22:11:23 But chmod +x rules does nothing Nov 14 22:11:28 for xloader and 2nd, there are matching files for 2104 after unpacking. however, not for secondary- Nov 14 22:11:44 and if i use the file manager and try to set it to executable the tick box goes straight back to being unticked?! Nov 14 22:12:26 * MohammadAG hates madde Nov 14 22:12:45 NooBmonk3y, how are you running dpkg-buildpackage? Nov 14 22:13:06 or can I just use secondary-RX-51,2101,2102,2103-1.4.14.9+0m5 instead? Nov 14 22:13:21 NO! Nov 14 22:13:33 revisions are different for a reason Nov 14 22:13:45 where did you get the 2104 device? Nov 14 22:14:40 mad dpkg-buildpackage Nov 14 22:17:28 MohammadAG: as I said, with 0xFFFF -i Nov 14 22:18:18 where did you get the _DEVICE_ Nov 14 22:18:19 sudo ../0xFFFF -i <─(Mon,Nov15)─┘ Nov 14 22:18:19 [sudo] password for root: Nov 14 22:18:19 021 found! Nov 14 22:18:19 Driver: Nov 14 22:18:19 found n770/n810/n900 (0421:0105) Nov 14 22:18:21 No software version detected Nov 14 22:18:22 not the info about it Nov 14 22:18:24 HW revision string: 'prod_code:RX-51,hw_rev:2104�' Nov 14 22:18:26 SubVersionString autodetected: '2104�' Nov 14 22:18:32 oh, eh, got it as a gift Nov 14 22:18:43 MohammadAG: why? Nov 14 22:19:02 cause the only devices I've seen on sale are 2101 Nov 14 22:19:20 with 1xxx and others as prototypes Nov 14 22:20:50 MohammadAG: hmm, okay. so, should I ask the person I got it from, where he got it from? :) Nov 14 22:21:12 hmmmmmm Nov 14 22:21:20 that would be a start, but I'd ping someone from nokia to get the image Nov 14 22:21:32 GeneralAntilles1, might be able to help you, but he's away for the MeeGo conference Nov 14 22:21:40 pfeh, okay Nov 14 22:21:45 if you want to reflash you could possibly reflash the rootfs alone Nov 14 22:21:49 now I'm curious too, what I got here :D Nov 14 22:22:16 MohammadAG: but the boot-loader is stored on the xloader partition, right? Nov 14 22:22:21 indeed, I've only seen 2101s Nov 14 22:22:30 yes Nov 14 22:22:37 flashing the rootfs should in theory work fine Nov 14 22:22:41 in theory Nov 14 22:22:42 the thing is, I installed the multiboot package and now I can't boot it anymore, as the there's nothing in the multiboot list Nov 14 22:23:01 MohammadAG, how do i tell if my external hdd is mounted with a noexec option? Nov 14 22:23:16 mount Nov 14 22:23:26 T_X, try pressing 0 Nov 14 22:23:53 /dev/sdb1 on /media/FreeAgent Drive type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096,default_permissions) Nov 14 22:24:35 what's fuseblk o_O Nov 14 22:24:40 oh, ntfs? Nov 14 22:24:48 probably! Nov 14 22:25:00 its the one with all my stuff on it Nov 14 22:25:16 it can't hold permissions I guess Nov 14 22:25:33 oh ffs Nov 14 22:25:41 ok so move it elsewhere Nov 14 22:27:13 yay moving it worked! Nov 14 22:27:17 now onto the next error! Nov 14 22:27:18 dpkg-source: error: source package name `MaeCount' contains illegal character `M' Nov 14 22:27:19 dpkg-buildpackage: failure: dpkg-source -b MaeCount-0.6.0 gave error exit status 255 Nov 14 22:28:01 small case only Nov 14 22:28:09 ooo in what, all files/folders? Nov 14 22:28:20 no, the source dir Nov 14 22:28:27 mv MaeCount-0.6.0 maecount Nov 14 22:28:31 allll these rules to get 1 thing right lol Nov 14 22:28:33 or Nov 14 22:28:36 mv MaeCount-0.6.0 maecount-0.6 Nov 14 22:29:49 hmmmmmmm Nov 14 22:29:52 renamed Nov 14 22:29:53 re-run Nov 14 22:29:55 same error Nov 14 22:29:57 hmmmmmmmm Nov 14 22:30:02 it's gotta be in a file somewhere Nov 14 22:30:40 the pro file is the only file with a capital letter Nov 14 22:30:51 maybe that? Nov 14 22:31:03 dpkg-source: error: source package name `MaeCount' contains illegal character `M' Nov 14 22:31:14 actually source package name hmmmmmmmmm Nov 14 22:31:40 no Nov 14 22:31:42 changelog Nov 14 22:32:32 MohammadAG: wow, -> + 0 (= 0) worked! Nov 14 22:32:38 wow Nov 14 22:32:40 awesome, how was I supposed to know that :D? Nov 14 22:32:42 its doing something Nov 14 22:33:14 how can I find out about such secret keyboard commands :D? Nov 14 22:33:18 :D Nov 14 22:33:26 hmmm one last error! yay! Nov 14 22:33:32 dpkg-source: error: source package name `MaeCount' contains illegal character `M' Nov 14 22:33:33 X shuts down Nov 14 22:33:34 ffs Nov 14 22:33:35 darn copy Nov 14 22:33:39 I think it's in the readme :P Nov 14 22:33:39 parsechangelog/debian: warning: debian/changelog(l5): badly formatted trailer line Nov 14 22:33:54 NooBmonk3y, copy my debian/ directory Nov 14 22:33:58 hey again guys Nov 14 22:34:02 i did lol Nov 14 22:34:13 sorry, the N900 died just 20 minutes before I arrived home Nov 14 22:34:18 NooBmonk3y: still having issues? Nov 14 22:34:29 NooBmonk3y, the source directory Nov 14 22:34:32 do this Nov 14 22:34:38 is there any good idea to overclock my N900 to 750Mhz? Nov 14 22:34:56 cd ..; mv MaeCount-0.6.0 maecount; cd maecount; mad dpkg-buildpackage -b Nov 14 22:35:02 Malin_: the good idea is not to overclock Nov 14 22:35:06 Malin_, we hate overclocking overall tbh Nov 14 22:35:12 Venemo, as I thought Nov 14 22:35:16 http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/thewarningtm.jpeg Nov 14 22:35:24 MohammadAG: what did you say about changing PATH permanently? Nov 14 22:35:38 Guess there are other ways to get it more snappy? Some times I can't take a call, because it reacts so slow Nov 14 22:35:41 edit your ~/.profile Nov 14 22:36:05 cat: /home/Timur/.profile: No such file or directory Nov 14 22:36:13 enable HW sync in hildon-desktop, makes the desktop more prone to crashes, but makes the device wonderful to use Nov 14 22:36:26 prone? Nov 14 22:36:36 MohammadAG: I thought that was not possible...? what did I miss? Nov 14 22:36:46 it might crash sometimes Nov 14 22:36:52 Venemo, not VSync Nov 14 22:37:11 Nokia-N900:~# cat /etc/powervr.d/hildon-desktop.ini Nov 14 22:37:13 awh yeah, I checd the word in google translate :) Nov 14 22:37:13 [hildon-desktop] Nov 14 22:37:13 WSEGL_UseHWSync=1 Nov 14 22:37:13 wow Nov 14 22:37:15 it's 0 by default Nov 14 22:37:16 erm Nov 14 22:37:21 I will try it :D Nov 14 22:37:35 MohammadAG: so what is this HW sync? Nov 14 22:37:42 smart I can access my phone with ssh :D Nov 14 22:37:42 Venemo, try it Nov 14 22:37:52 though I suggest turning of blurs in transitions.ini Nov 14 22:38:21 under [home], change radius and radius_more to 0, in /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini Nov 14 22:38:43 MohammadAG: 'cat: /home/Timur/.profile: No such file or directory' -> any clue about this? Nov 14 22:38:55 hmm Nov 14 22:39:23 We found the clubhouse in D4. Nov 14 22:39:27 even my N900 has a .profile file... Nov 14 22:39:29 Venemo, edit /etc/profile then Nov 14 22:44:16 GeneralAntilles: Shush Nov 14 22:44:20 GeneralAntilles: Private club Nov 14 22:45:26 * MohammadAG sobs Nov 14 22:47:10 so quiet Nov 14 22:47:13 wow... it become way more snappy after setting it to 1 :D Nov 14 22:47:29 it'll crash, eventually :P Nov 14 22:47:42 I still have it on though Nov 14 22:47:55 http://www.mauve.plus.com/stars.jpg Astrophotograpy on the n900. (fcam, 3200iso, 1s) Nov 14 22:48:07 It's cloudy here - hence there are not many stars. Nov 14 22:48:19 But for a handheld attempt, I was surprised. Nov 14 22:48:49 too, much, noise :P Nov 14 22:49:09 yes. Nov 14 22:49:30 I need to try it actually holding it still, with a dark sky Nov 14 22:49:50 :nod: Nov 14 22:50:48 just open stellarium and done :) Nov 14 22:52:04 cehteh: that doesn't tell you about new supernovae, or iridium flares. Nov 14 22:53:19 not even competes to this: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10042 Nov 14 22:53:35 a ufo! Nov 14 22:54:11 Need to set the exposure way down for the moon Nov 14 22:54:15 it's daytime there. Nov 14 22:54:39 what's your favorite shot that you took with a n900? link. Nov 14 22:54:45 SpeedEvil: stellarium has a plugin system, there is a satellites plugin, unfortunally with ugly graphics, but i bet one can add iridium flares there Nov 14 22:55:06 hmm Nov 14 22:55:08 and for supernovae .. well maybe too, but first i wait for the implementation of commets Nov 14 22:55:14 that would be nice Nov 14 22:55:23 http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/5028190910/ is quite nice. Nov 14 22:55:35 there was some discussion about rendering realistic comets Nov 14 22:55:57 http://www.flickr.com/photos/arnim-s/4863049623/ i like that one Nov 14 22:56:10 pretty SpeedEvil Nov 14 22:56:10 it switches so fast and smooth between the windows now :D Nov 14 22:56:16 but yeah, if it crash, it crash.... Nov 14 22:56:17 http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4207075892/ Nov 14 22:56:24 Was just after I'd gotten the n900 Nov 14 22:56:50 Malin_, if it crashes, you HAVE to reboot Nov 14 22:56:57 wow lots of work Nov 14 22:57:05 killing the desktop won't do anything, it's just dead there Nov 14 22:57:14 http://www.lumiera.org/20101114_002.jpg haha my recent n900 pic :P Nov 14 22:57:18 cehteh: haha, supenovae that's been a killer app for whole science Nov 14 22:57:39 everybody working on their house Nov 14 22:57:46 http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4711980083/ - and a shot from this summer of the garden. Nov 14 22:57:57 MohammadAG: I asked about PATH on #fedora Nov 14 22:58:10 cehteh: why not falling stars as well ? :-P Nov 14 22:58:18 it looks so nice now SpeedEvil - i thought your piles of dirt were permanent Nov 14 22:58:19 DocScrutinizer: thats already there Nov 14 22:58:25 (since years) Nov 14 22:58:29 MohammadAG: the guys kindly educated me about that one should put a script to /etc/profile.d Nov 14 22:58:34 realtime ? Nov 14 22:58:36 MohammadAG: did that, works :P Nov 14 22:58:50 cehteh: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4194615579/in/set-72157624825188447/ Nov 14 22:58:51 nah pseudorandom Nov 14 22:58:56 :-P Nov 14 22:58:59 pffff Nov 14 22:59:12 SpeedEvil: lol Nov 14 22:59:39 pupnik: well - behind that picture were the piles. Though there has been a _lot_ of progress on the lawns. Nov 14 22:59:42 http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/sets/72157623642782601/ Nov 14 23:00:21 hi, im desperate to try and get mpd installed on my n900 (but im beginning to think its not possible) Nov 14 23:00:28 i've found this: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mpd/ Nov 14 23:00:49 but i can't seem to figure out what repository to add, or if that package is even suitable for the n900. Nov 14 23:00:51 Venemo: thanks for sharing. Never noticed that Nov 14 23:00:56 i'm guessing thats for one of the older tablets? Nov 14 23:01:01 can anyone assist a n00b? Nov 14 23:01:41 Venemo, never noticed /etc/profile.d, ty :) Nov 14 23:02:43 DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG :) Nov 14 23:03:08 so, any suggestions before burning this microSD? Nov 14 23:03:42 MohammadAG: dd? Nov 14 23:03:53 clean contacts? Nov 14 23:04:05 MohammadAG: low level formatting or something like that Nov 14 23:04:22 dunno it that's even possible for a microSD Nov 14 23:04:23 DocScrutinizer, no dev node Nov 14 23:04:43 ouch Nov 14 23:06:31 there's been some tool to read out device basic data (ser#, manuf, pagesize, shit, class...) Nov 14 23:07:03 MohammadAG, !!! 3rd attempt, still building, and not instantly failed Nov 14 23:07:08 i may have almost got it right! Nov 14 23:07:10 wewt! Nov 14 23:07:16 I was able to edit the file from nitdroid! Nov 14 23:07:22 needed a chmod 777 Nov 14 23:07:29 since chmod a+w didn't work Nov 14 23:07:49 * Dhraakellian is booting back into maemo now to see if hildon-desktop still craps out Nov 14 23:09:03 W00WH0M! Nov 14 23:09:07 *ahem* Nov 14 23:09:17 sorry 'bout that Nov 14 23:09:32 MohammadAG: ah, now I got it, you're the maintainer :D. well, anyway, thanks again for the info :) Nov 14 23:09:34 what Nov 14 23:09:34 now, is there any disadvantage to leaving the n900 in R&D mode? Nov 14 23:09:53 people thinking you're silly Nov 14 23:09:59 MohammadAG: problem fixed through NITDroid Nov 14 23:10:16 T_X, I'm not the developer though :) Nov 14 23:10:29 Dhraakellian, I always have my device in R&D mode Nov 14 23:10:50 it's discouraged Nov 14 23:10:50 with /etc/pmconfig's last line set to 0 to switch off lights Nov 14 23:10:53 MohammadAG: what good is R&D mode? Nov 14 23:10:58 blinking keyboard ftw :) Nov 14 23:11:15 * cehteh never used R&D mode Nov 14 23:11:26 Venemo, I don't have to worry about dsme causing bootloops Nov 14 23:11:37 I can gain root without having rootsh Nov 14 23:11:49 very useful to install rootsh without using HAM :P Nov 14 23:11:59 MohammadAG: does it have any disadvantages? Nov 14 23:12:02 meh Nov 14 23:12:12 yes, sucks battery Nov 14 23:12:21 ah Nov 14 23:12:25 if the lights are kept on Nov 14 23:12:25 that'd be a good reason to turn it off Nov 14 23:12:28 won't restart services as you're used to Nov 14 23:12:40 ohnoes .. kamera doesnt work with power95 Nov 14 23:12:43 45 Nov 14 23:12:46 Dhraakellian, or turn off lights Nov 14 23:12:53 as I do Nov 14 23:13:12 still shit Nov 14 23:13:14 cehteh, fcamera* Nov 14 23:13:38 so far the stock camera app was still easier and better than fcam Nov 14 23:13:38 btw I wonder how that crap with root w/o rootsh works. Nov 14 23:13:59 Hi, anybody can let me know how to reach to the guy maintain Qole.org? Nov 14 23:14:00 hey and fcam doesnt work either Nov 14 23:14:09 DocScrutinizer, sudo gainroot Nov 14 23:14:17 cat /usr/sbin/gainroot without rootsh Nov 14 23:14:34 what for do I fix my etc/sudoers.d/* when r&d makes device open like FR again? Nov 14 23:14:57 it's something like (pseudo code) if R&D enabled, gain a root shell, else, say enable R&D mode to break your device Nov 14 23:15:10 DocScrutinizer, gainroot is always in sudoers Nov 14 23:15:24 not in mine Nov 14 23:15:37 at least not the way you think it is Nov 14 23:15:39 panda|x201: He's sat over there -----^ Nov 14 23:15:51 it's ALWAYS in it, sure of that Nov 14 23:15:56 Well, he was. Nov 14 23:16:04 but the script can only be used if R&D mode if on Nov 14 23:16:09 uhm there are graphics errors in the menues too .. Nov 14 23:16:09 Jaffa, over where? I mean I didn't find any email contact method or IRC nick on this website Nov 14 23:16:10 it checks using cal-tool Nov 14 23:16:17 MohammadAG: not after rm -rf /etc/sud* Nov 14 23:16:40 panda|x201: As in, he was just sat in the same room as me 5 minutes ago. Nov 14 23:16:40 Jaffa, actually, I do wanna donate his excellent contribution Nov 14 23:16:51 panda|x201: I've left a message for him Nov 14 23:16:52 DocScrutinizer, lol k Nov 14 23:17:15 Jaffa, oh, really? physically in one room? or irc room? Nov 14 23:17:16 MohammadAG: check http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Nov 14 23:17:20 Jaffa, thanks anyway Nov 14 23:19:43 ok power45 is borked Nov 14 23:20:55 how? Nov 14 23:22:09 no camera (neither bless900 nor fcam) Nov 14 23:22:31 and some pixel errors in the menu, seems some graphics memory overwritten somehow Nov 14 23:22:35 well duh :-) Nov 14 23:22:46 lets test gps now Nov 14 23:23:28 cehteh, restart, the menu thing is an old hildon-desktop bug afaik Nov 14 23:24:09 yeah .. but still no camera Nov 14 23:24:22 fcam shows a grey screen only Nov 14 23:24:59 cant close fcam, have to kill it Nov 14 23:25:08 remove fcam-drivers? Nov 14 23:25:19 flashlight doesnt work either Nov 14 23:25:22 fcam wont work because the fcam kernel module wont load on random kernels Nov 14 23:25:26 remove fcam-drivers? Nov 14 23:25:44 ShadowJK, it doesn't work even with the new headers Nov 14 23:25:55 ok lemme check for gps Nov 14 23:26:49 no gps ... Nov 14 23:27:03 remove this kernel i say Nov 14 23:28:23 GPS works for me... Nov 14 23:28:27 don't blame the kernel, blame the user :P Nov 14 23:28:36 haha Nov 14 23:29:13 power45 has hostmode patches as well as 1.3's patchet Nov 14 23:29:17 patchset Nov 14 23:29:24 what can i do but turning it on Nov 14 23:29:52 mappero just dont get a fix, gps logger doesnt open. possibly crashes Nov 14 23:34:26 back to power40+hostmode Nov 14 23:48:45 Power40+hostmode? Nov 14 23:48:52 never been such thing? Nov 14 23:49:06 that's power42 I think Nov 14 23:49:15 power45 is fine Nov 14 23:53:10 MohammadAG's prelimary was power40+hostmode Nov 14 23:53:18 (never official or?) Nov 14 23:53:34 power 40 + hostmode is mine Nov 14 23:53:48 yes Nov 14 23:53:55 i am using that Nov 14 23:54:36 MohammadAG: GUI update? Nov 14 23:55:59 nope, haven't pushed anything today Nov 14 23:56:04 0.2-8 is days old Nov 14 23:56:11 fixes mount issues to shut users up Nov 14 23:56:23 n8 Nov 14 23:58:00 n8 cT Nov 14 23:59:05 MohammadAG: I already started bashing users about no special kernel dependencies, GUI will check and warn Nov 15 00:05:39 I know we mock Nokia a lot, but tbh, they have put a lot of work into maemo and the N900 Nov 15 00:06:24 alterego, indeed, I was thinking about that today tbh Nov 15 00:06:27 If the platform was as still born as everyone seems to think then there's been a lot of wasted effort on documentation and code :/ Nov 15 00:06:29 hildon-desktop would be one Nov 15 00:08:48 I'm just browsing the Qt maemo5 documentation, and I was thinking, we've always had pretty good api level documentation. It's much better now than it used to be. Nov 15 00:09:57 I've just finished porting all my custom widgets to Qt Quick/QML too, so my GPS app will be QML'd up now :) Nov 15 00:10:32 noobish question, what's QML :3 Nov 15 00:11:11 It's the new user interface design language for Qt Quick Nov 15 00:11:19 Came with Qt 4.7 Nov 15 00:11:39 Haven't you seen all the hype about it? :D Nov 15 00:12:34 yeah, but when I see hype I'm like meh Nov 15 00:12:48 :) Nov 15 00:12:56 It's pretty cool. Nov 15 00:13:04 For building UIs with Nov 15 00:13:29 better than designer? :P Nov 15 00:13:41 It'll be probably 90% of future apps on Nokia devices. Nov 15 00:14:38 Because it's so easy to pick up, I can see a lot of "fart" apps being implemented in it in the future :) Nov 15 00:14:57 There's a graphical designer for it in Qt Creator. Nov 15 00:18:27 beats tweak/build/run/tweak/build/run cycle Nov 15 00:19:26 alterego, where? Nov 15 00:19:33 Yeah and it makes it really easy to bind your C++ app engine code to a javascript environment. Nov 15 00:19:49 QML? Nov 15 00:19:58 wait what? Nov 15 00:20:01 it's javascript? Nov 15 00:20:20 MohammadAG: just create a QML project and when editing a .qml file you're given the declarative editor instead of the standard designer. Nov 15 00:20:35 Kind of json mixed with javascript yeah. Nov 15 00:21:11 It occured to me that if I write my app core in Qt, then expose the api to QtQuick/Qml, I can tweak my UIs whilst on the road. Nov 15 00:21:41 Then, once I'm happy with the UI, I can package it all into one executable. Nov 15 00:29:06 Jaffa, hi, still around? any response from qole? Nov 15 00:35:27 alterego: I still don't get it why they invented QML instead of just using XAML Nov 15 00:36:59 isnt that .net ? Nov 15 00:37:05 i.e. ms? Nov 15 00:37:19 alterego: GPS app? Nov 15 00:37:23 nox-: XAML = extensible application markup langueage Nov 15 00:37:30 nox-: language* Nov 15 00:37:42 nox-: it is just XML which is dead easy to write Nov 15 00:37:49 hm Nov 15 00:37:56 XML :( Nov 15 00:38:13 Venemo: because XML is ugly. Nov 15 00:38:27 alterego: lol. javascript is ugly Nov 15 00:38:29 json is much more succinct ... Nov 15 00:38:31 alterego: XML is not. Nov 15 00:38:41 alterego: hehe :D Nov 15 00:38:46 xml is fine, for data interchange. Nov 15 00:38:59 It's not fine for humans to read/write ... Nov 15 00:39:06 for complex, data interchange! Nov 15 00:39:10 Let alone ui designers. Nov 15 00:39:36 And there's nothing ugly about javascript, it's a pretty neat scripting language. Nov 15 00:40:39 but some people do ugly things with it Nov 15 00:40:50 Indeed Nov 15 00:40:58 It's nicer than Perl :D Nov 15 00:41:17 I think it's nicer than Python too Nov 15 00:42:14 similar to python, but why nicer? Nov 15 00:43:08 Because Python does a lot of things, well, wrong. Nov 15 00:43:45 It's object orientation is a bit of a joke, closures are broken aswell. Nov 15 00:44:18 It's just not as nice a language as Ruby or JavaScript. Nov 15 00:44:21 it's all same crap Nov 15 00:44:24 php perl python Nov 15 00:44:41 Yeah, they are the bottom of the barrel :P Nov 15 00:45:00 and prolog Nov 15 00:45:11 Heh, not used prolog Nov 15 00:45:33 well, prolog isn't crap Nov 15 00:45:37 I dont know why you say that its object orientation is a joke Nov 15 00:45:47 Anyone got an interesting XML source they want wrapped up with a nice 900 ui? Nov 15 00:45:55 but it's not a regular every day programming language Nov 15 00:46:00 Serpent: because, it is :P Nov 15 00:46:20 in which way? Nov 15 00:46:38 It's ugly and hackishp Nov 15 00:46:54 Maybe not as ugly as perls' OO but it's still nasty. Nov 15 00:47:16 It's like writing OO in C using gobject styles. Nov 15 00:48:01 I've just come to expect more from high level dynamic languages Nov 15 00:48:44 Anyhow, XML data, I want to play with Qt Quicks XML data stuff but I don't have an interesting source of information. Nov 15 00:50:55 Anyone got anything interesting? :) Nov 15 00:51:01 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTUY16CkS-k Goldman Sachs, The Federal Reserve, and Quantitative Easing explaned - VERY GOOD Nov 15 00:51:38 http://www.eevblog.com/2010/11/08/hardware-will-cut-you/ Nov 15 00:51:40 i have this Nov 15 00:51:43 alterego: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Planet.osm 160GB of XML goodness. Nov 15 00:51:51 Heh Nov 15 00:52:31 http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Glenrothes/varsel.xml Nov 15 00:52:34 more seriouslty Nov 15 00:53:54 Yeah, I was thinking weather. Nov 15 00:54:40 Just had another neat idea for an app. Nov 15 00:54:50 But I'm not surew who's want to use it ... Nov 15 00:55:56 A satellite visualization, basically a map of the world with satellite position and orbit plotting. Nov 15 00:55:59 I dont know if you are interested in the python discussion, but I believe the closures issue is long gone Nov 15 00:56:20 I might integrate it into my gps app. Nov 15 00:56:32 Anyhow, bed time, g'night folks. Nov 15 00:57:40 8% [+++++++=====> ] 1,121,910,360 18.3M/s eta 15m 12s Nov 15 00:57:54 12G compressed Nov 15 00:58:24 sigh, if only networks in IL were that fast Nov 15 01:07:21 hello everyone Nov 15 01:08:28 could someone confirm that are receiving my text, thank you Nov 15 01:09:27 `loud and clear' Nov 15 01:09:59 thank you very much, it's my first time on this channel, actually, it's the first time on maemo community Nov 15 01:13:32 welcome Nov 15 01:14:10 remember ~ask and ~question Nov 15 01:14:44 gustavoferreira: and ping me if you got any problems with this channel Nov 15 01:14:54 ~ask Nov 15 01:14:54 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Nov 15 01:15:00 ~question Nov 15 01:15:01 question is, like, If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Nov 15 01:16:14 gustavoferreira: if you're in doubt about your online status: Nov 15 01:16:20 ~botsnack Nov 15 01:16:21 DocScrutinizer: :) Nov 15 01:16:29 or Nov 15 01:16:32 ~ping Nov 15 01:16:32 ~pong Nov 15 01:19:42 thank you very much for your information. i promise i'll behave as you expect. Nov 15 01:19:55 :-) Nov 15 01:20:11 nobody here beahves 'as expected' Nov 15 01:20:30 but we all try - usually :-D Nov 15 01:20:58 :P ok, good shot Nov 15 01:22:28 gustavoferreira: hi :) Nov 15 01:28:47 So, i want to make deb files from my programs to maemo, i have been searching for methods to do this, and i just see process that make me going all the way down through control files and all that stuff, what i want to know is, if that is any way to make deb files from binarys (i program in C and use GTK+) Nov 15 01:30:38 i know for C++ and Qt the software we use "automatically" creates a deb file, is there any program out there that does the same but with C code plus GTK+? (sorry for my spelling mistakes, english is not my mother tong) Nov 15 01:35:15 Hello Nov 15 01:35:20 I forgott my phone in my car Nov 15 01:35:25 How can I find the IP? Nov 15 01:35:36 It is loging me off MSN Nov 15 01:49:45 hi Nov 15 01:49:49 hi Nov 15 01:50:30 is there somewhere a step by step tutorial on getting out of dependencies knots for complete newbies? Nov 15 01:51:25 ~flashing Nov 15 01:51:25 hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 15 01:52:12 i don't mean giving up and starting from scratch, i mean actually fixing things Nov 15 01:52:38 Sorry - working out dependancies doesn't really seem noob-like Nov 15 01:54:06 the general concepts seem simple enough, some pacckages need other packages and somtimes multiple packages conflict with what they wanna have installed Nov 15 02:02:16 by newbie i don't mean clueless idiot, i just mean someone that doesn't now much about the topic yet Nov 15 02:08:08 gustavoferreira: sorry nobody responded - 1) yes you can make deb files from binaries, but not uploa them to the maemo repository. Nov 15 02:08:55 -2) i don't know of a way to create a debian package automatically without all the context of a project builder Nov 15 02:15:13 thank you for your response, i already made all the process and i got a deb file and i could install it on my nokia n900, it also appeared in the "software installed" but i'm facing a problem right now, how can i put my application on my "application window" without messing (at least directly) with those files (xml i think?!?) that describe what and how are the apps shown on the application window Nov 15 02:15:56 this might help http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Packaging Nov 15 02:16:25 * TiagoTiago sighs Nov 15 02:17:02 ok, how about a step by step tutorial for those not so newbie then? Nov 15 02:17:14 good morning Nov 15 02:17:25 hi Bradley Nov 15 02:17:29 * MohammadAG loves idents Nov 15 02:17:59 MohammadAG, my name is on my twitter account as well, which you follow. Like I'm really trying to withhold my name from you Nov 15 02:18:02 * Termana rolls eyes Nov 15 02:18:09 :P Nov 15 02:18:27 well, you should worry about your IP more than your ident :P Nov 15 02:19:15 Termana, seriously, you should hide your name, like I do Nov 15 02:20:20 MohammadAG, I think I'll be fine with my IP address. I run OpenBSD. :P No I don't actually, I run Ubuntu 10.10, but I'm waiting for MeeGo to get masks Nov 15 02:21:09 MohammadAG, hah. Your name is "top secret" Nov 15 02:21:11 :P Nov 15 02:21:56 (Well unless someone intends to bring a big connection and ping flood me, I feel I'll be fine) Nov 15 02:22:13 MohammadAG: thank you for this tutorial, i'll have a read, but for what i can see, this is for deb files made from source code, and, what about binaries? is there any tutorial? Because i think it will be less probable something going wrong with binaries ( or am i wrong?) Nov 15 02:22:31 Termana, yes, I'm disguised as MohammadAG, a combination of Mohammad and Rapidshare AG Nov 15 02:23:16 if you build from binaries then the app will be non-free, and yes, it's easy, follow the same tutorial and add the fles to the install file Nov 15 02:25:23 you have application icons in a separate directory called icons/ ? Nov 15 02:25:39 no, i have it on the control file Nov 15 02:27:08 MohammadAG: it isn't that i don't want it to be free, just because i think that is easier, but if it has the same dificulty degree, then, let's make it from source code Nov 15 02:28:11 same difficulty Nov 15 02:28:32 ok, thank you Nov 15 02:28:53 read the tutorial, it covers most things :) Nov 15 02:29:03 feel free to look at existing packages Nov 15 02:31:14 one more thing (this one may seems ridiculous, but here we go) how can i have 100% sure what my application depends on? Nov 15 02:32:04 scroll down in my page, it I mention shlibs:Depends Nov 15 02:32:18 for C/C++, it'll fill in depends from ldd Nov 15 02:35:30 "Depends: apt, ${shlibs:Depends}" you are right. Nov 15 02:37:43 and my last question, to make my application icon appear in the applications windows, i just need to put a .desktop file (with all the required info of course) on the directory you specified? just that? Nov 15 02:37:59 apt is just an example Nov 15 02:38:01 you don't need it Nov 15 02:38:07 yes Nov 15 02:38:21 example.desktop usr/share/applications/hildon Nov 15 02:38:26 in your .install file should do it Nov 15 02:41:05 thank you very much that was a precious information for me. Is there any wiki or so that talks about maemo structs? i mean, what does each directory, or what they are meant to have, in short, how is file system in maemo organized? Nov 15 02:41:35 hmm, general linux I'd say Nov 15 02:41:58 hell, don't you ever sleep? Nov 15 02:42:52 would you please check #9 and update #1 Nov 15 02:43:52 DocScrutinizer51: is that for me? i didn't understand for who you were talking Nov 15 02:44:01 http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/impostor.png ahahahah Nov 15 02:44:08 probably me Nov 15 02:44:08 MohammadAG: Nov 15 02:44:56 oh ok, sorry Nov 15 02:45:12 DocScrutinizer51, nope, holidays -> no sleep :D Nov 15 02:45:30 :-D Nov 15 02:47:25 MohammadAG: you are right, but there are things specific to maemo/hildon right? Nov 15 02:48:00 in the structure of file system Nov 15 02:49:03 nope Nov 15 02:49:12 maybe configs, but the basic hierarchy is the same Nov 15 02:49:49 maemo is structured quite like debian Nov 15 02:49:57 with some exceptions Nov 15 02:51:13 ok, i'm sorry then, i'm new in some way in Debian, more specific on Ubuntu. I guess i need to study debian file system structure then. Thank you vey much for your time. Nov 15 02:53:23 maemo/debian/ubuntu all follow FHS very closely. Except for maemo and...: Nov 15 02:53:28 ~optification Nov 15 02:53:28 hmm... optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence3 Nov 15 02:56:48 what is FHS? Nov 15 02:57:12 Filesystem Hierarchy Standard i guess Nov 15 02:57:41 thank you guys for your time **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Nov 15 02:59:58 2010