**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 15 02:59:58 2010
Nov 15 03:08:32 <gustavoferreira> where can i get some source code, or deb file of a program for maemo to see the structure?
Nov 15 03:09:37 <nidO> maemo.org/packages
Nov 15 03:10:58 <gustavoferreira> thanks
Nov 15 07:25:35 <Gorroth> yo yo yo
Nov 15 07:30:14 <lardman> morning
Nov 15 07:34:00 <lardman> Just had a play (well yesterday) with an HTC Desire HD
Nov 15 07:34:06 <lardman> really rather good
Nov 15 07:34:21 <lardman> come on Nokia.... :)
Nov 15 07:34:43 <kerio> Gorroth: yo dawg
Nov 15 07:35:04 <Gorroth> what up in the hizzie
Nov 15 07:35:12 <Gorroth> s/what/wut
Nov 15 07:35:25 <Gorroth> s/the/da/
Nov 15 07:38:49 <khertan_> Morning
Nov 15 07:39:03 <lardman> morning khertan_
Nov 15 07:40:37 <khertan_> lardman, morning lardman
Nov 15 07:41:14 * khertan_ just see that there is a talk about dev with python on meego ...
Nov 15 07:41:24 * khertan_ so binding should be here :)
Nov 15 07:41:35 * lardman is trying to get Python scripting working with mBarcode
Nov 15 07:41:49 <lardman> which version is that? 2.6
Nov 15 07:42:11 <khertan_> 2.6
Nov 15 07:42:28 <khertan_> 2.6 on meego core
Nov 15 07:42:31 <khertan_> 1.1
Nov 15 07:43:48 <lardman> hmm, somewhat terse the errors output by sip
Nov 15 07:44:35 <khertan_> on mBarcode ?
Nov 15 07:44:58 <Gorroth> is the hardware on the N900 capable of supporting wireless "Master" mode, and it's just a limitation of the drivers, or is it just that the hardware is incapable of supporting that mode?
Nov 15 07:45:35 <lardman> khertan_: Am creating a SIP wrapper so I can cast the Python plugins to C++ classes and call them from the main mBarcode code
Nov 15 07:46:26 <khertan_> hum ... this is the part of Python that i never try :)
Nov 15 07:46:34 <lardman> for good reason! :)
Nov 15 07:48:11 <khertan_> lardman, yep as i didn't code in c ... so made plugins for my apps isn't so difficult :)
Nov 15 07:48:34 <lardman> Python was too slow for the main code
Nov 15 07:48:50 <lardman> but great for plugins, assuming I can get this working
Nov 15 07:48:51 <flux> gorroth, I think all hardware as such is capable of that mode, but their firmware might not be
Nov 15 07:49:33 <flux> how does joikuspot work, is it in infrastructure mode?
Nov 15 07:49:52 <flux> (possibly it comes with its own wlan firmware, if it's been done with co-operation with Nokia)
Nov 15 07:50:00 <Gorroth> hmm
Nov 15 07:50:06 <Gorroth> i guess i should get joikuspot
Nov 15 07:50:24 <Gorroth> see if i can setup iptables to work in conjuncton with it
Nov 15 07:50:56 <khertan_> lardman, python is fast enought for anythings except some slow things like image analysis ... what you are doing with mBarcode :)
Nov 15 07:51:07 <khertan_> so why not do the thing in the other way
Nov 15 07:51:31 <khertan_> create a small c python plugin to do the analysis
Nov 15 07:52:05 <lardman> I can't remember now, lost in the mists of time
Nov 15 07:52:14 <khertan_> :)
Nov 15 07:52:21 <khertan_> a good reason :)
Nov 15 07:52:30 <lardman> seemed like it at the time
Nov 15 07:52:42 <lardman> but isn't that always the way...? :)
Nov 15 07:53:17 <flux> lardman, have you considered a generic exec/socket/dbus interface that allows to write plugins in any language? or is that exactly what you're doing?-)
Nov 15 07:53:43 <khertan_> lardman, i think gedit should be a good example for plugin integration :)
Nov 15 07:53:55 <lardman> flux: considered, but I really don't have all that much time, and getting that intergrated with the ui would be timeconsuming
Nov 15 07:54:31 <lardman> though we do broadcast DBus messages, and I was writing a DBus plugin handler (though I think I'll skip that and use Python plugins to allow people to wrap DBus calls)
Nov 15 07:54:59 <lardman> otherwise the conf file has to be quite complex to specify how the barcode payload needs to be parsed and checked
Nov 15 07:58:45 <lardman> hmm, circular dependency in my sip files
Nov 15 07:58:49 <lardman> drat
Nov 15 07:59:57 <lardman> hmm, I wonder if someone is trying to tell me something :)
Nov 15 08:00:05 <lardman> qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped
Nov 15 08:18:00 <crashanddie> 'morning maemo
Nov 15 08:18:38 <marmoute> maemorning
Nov 15 08:18:40 <lardman> hi crashanddie
Nov 15 08:18:49 <crashanddie> hey lardman, how's it going?
Nov 15 08:19:01 <lardman> alright, just cusring sip
Nov 15 08:19:08 <crashanddie> need help?
Nov 15 08:19:22 <lardman> think I'm sorted now, thanks thogh
Nov 15 08:19:25 <crashanddie> np
Nov 15 08:19:30 * lardman can't type in the morning apparently
Nov 15 08:19:48 <crashanddie> SIP'ing too much of the good stuff will do that to you.
Nov 15 08:19:49 <khertan_> maemorning crashanddie
Nov 15 08:51:06 <lardman> cu later chaps
Nov 15 09:03:05 <GAN900> Hopefully WiFi will hold out for the transcripts.
Nov 15 09:15:41 <Khertan_> I'm listening via streaming ... music is horrible
Nov 15 09:22:20 <crashanddie> streaming URL?
Nov 15 09:28:12 <timsamoff> MeeGoConf Keynote has begun: Doug Fisher from Intel.
Nov 15 09:29:26 <Khertan_> crashanddie: http://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming
Nov 15 09:36:45 <mj_> Has anybody tried creating an app to make a voice call using Qt ?
Nov 15 09:54:06 <crashanddie> Intel giving away Lenovo IdeaPads to all attendants
Nov 15 09:55:15 <MohammadAG> fuck my government and their rules
Nov 15 09:55:28 * MohammadAG stabs povbot, you didn't see that
Nov 15 10:00:37 <javispedro> ~ping
Nov 15 10:00:37 <infobot> ~pong
Nov 15 10:00:49 <javispedro> wow, horrible lag.
Nov 15 10:03:10 <jpinx-eeepc> Is there any way to prevent the n900 comingg on when the slider is opened? I'd like to have "resume" only on the flick switch
Nov 15 10:03:25 <crashanddie> jpinx-eeepc, don't think so
Nov 15 10:03:30 <crashanddie> jpinx-eeepc, unless you rip out the magnet
Nov 15 10:03:37 <jpinx-eeepc> heh
Nov 15 10:03:45 <RobbieThe1st> Out of curiosity, why?
Nov 15 10:03:55 <MohammadAG> check mce.ini
Nov 15 10:03:57 <jpinx-eeepc> damn thing keeps opeing in my pocket
Nov 15 10:04:02 <RobbieThe1st> ah
Nov 15 10:04:20 <jpinx-eeepc> MohammadAG: mce.ini is where?
Nov 15 10:04:31 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Nov 15 10:04:42 <crashanddie> morning Jaffa
Nov 15 10:05:00 <jpinx-eeepc> also  --  ow do I reset the lock code when I don't know the old one? Joys of buying a 2nd hand n900 :(
Nov 15 10:05:38 <crashanddie> Jaffa, you in Dublin?
Nov 15 10:05:49 <MohammadAG> /etc/mce/mce.ini
Nov 15 10:05:59 <MohammadAG> though i doubt it's possible
Nov 15 10:06:04 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, yes he is :P
Nov 15 10:06:15 <MohammadAG> Morning Jaffa
Nov 15 10:06:54 <crashanddie> Jaffa, getting bored to hell by Alberto?
Nov 15 10:06:55 <jpinx-eeepc> MohammadAG: I'll take a look later - thanks :)  Any clues about the lock-code change?
Nov 15 10:07:07 <MohammadAG> yeah
Nov 15 10:07:07 <ShadowJK> iirc there's a thread on tmo
Nov 15 10:07:17 <MohammadAG> some app in the repos by qwerty12
Nov 15 10:07:38 <MohammadAG> or just cat /dev/mtd1 and jack the ripper it
Nov 15 10:07:52 <MohammadAG> it's a DES encrypted lock code
Nov 15 10:07:57 <Jaffa> crashanddie: Yup
Nov 15 10:08:08 <timsamoff> Hi Jaffa. Long time. :p
Nov 15 10:08:32 <Jaffa> timsamoff: Network@'s shit.
Nov 15 10:08:45 <javispedro> yep
Nov 15 10:09:22 * Jaffa wonders how many people've bought big, thick, slow, heavy netbook/tablet hybrids.
Nov 15 10:09:36 <RobbieThe1st> for?
Nov 15 10:09:55 <crashanddie> timsamoff, shame we won't be seeing each other this year.
Nov 15 10:10:38 <RobbieThe1st> Admittedly, I have something like that, but its more of a notebook/tablet hybrid, and I got it for free, so...
Nov 15 10:13:26 <MohammadAG> who's talking on the live stream?
Nov 15 10:13:56 <timsamoff> Crashanddie
Nov 15 10:14:12 <crashanddie> MohammadAG, Alberto Tores
Nov 15 10:14:20 <MohammadAG> I thought he wasn't going o_O
Nov 15 10:14:43 <MohammadAG> oh, never seen his name before :P
Nov 15 10:16:34 <timeless_n900> mohammad, he took over in the nokia meego organization when someone left
Nov 15 10:16:49 <javispedro> bah, I get bumped off network every minute
Nov 15 10:16:53 <javispedro> ~ping
Nov 15 10:16:54 <infobot> ~pong
Nov 15 10:16:56 <MohammadAG> Ari Jaaski?
Nov 15 10:17:07 <MohammadAG> javispedro, use a different server
Nov 15 10:17:36 <MohammadAG> try holmes.freenode.net
Nov 15 10:17:42 <MohammadAG> or barjavel(?)
Nov 15 10:19:41 <BCMM> is there a way to show file extension in the file manager?
Nov 15 10:20:32 <MohammadAG> yes, edit libhildon's source
Nov 15 10:20:47 <MohammadAG> ask mece when he's on, he has a binary on tmo
Nov 15 10:37:07 <summel> can i delete the home folder "savely" as in "the phone will still work but all my data is gone"?
Nov 15 10:37:52 <Khertan_> BCMM: create your own from scratch :)
Nov 15 10:49:53 <BCMM> MohammadAG: presumably editing libhildon would make file extensions show in all save/open dialogs?
Nov 15 10:50:21 <MohammadAG> yes
Nov 15 10:50:35 <MohammadAG> search tmo, it's on there somewhere
Nov 15 10:54:55 <Khertan_> would make file extensions show in all save/open dialogs? <<< except for Qt apps
Nov 15 11:20:49 <alterego> quiet :(
Nov 15 11:22:11 <mece> everyone's watching the keynotes and hanging out on 3meego
Nov 15 11:22:25 <mece> s/3meego/#meego/
Nov 15 11:22:25 <infobot> mece meant: everyone's watching the keynotes and hanging out on #meego
Nov 15 11:23:01 <alterego> m'kay
Nov 15 11:23:24 <alterego> Have I missed anything interesting?
Nov 15 11:31:39 <mece> they got intel notebooks
Nov 15 11:31:48 <alterego> Heh
Nov 15 11:31:56 <mece> no netbooks
Nov 15 11:31:59 <mece> what are they called.
Nov 15 11:32:07 <alterego> sall laptops?
Nov 15 11:32:11 <alterego> netbooks
Nov 15 11:32:15 <alterego> small ..
Nov 15 11:32:22 <mece> IdeaPad S10-3t
Nov 15 11:32:47 <alterego> Never heard of it.
Nov 15 11:32:58 <phellarv> Lapbooks?
Nov 15 11:33:03 <alterego> If it's smaller than 10" I'd say netbook
Nov 15 11:33:10 <mece> http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/lenovo-ideapad-s10-3t-review/
Nov 15 11:33:29 <mece> Intel 1.83GHz Atom N470 processor
Nov 15 11:33:49 <alterego> Just the name lenovo makes me cringe for some reason ...
Nov 15 11:34:12 <alterego> Oh, that's cool. netlet?
Nov 15 11:34:14 <mece> well, it's free so..
Nov 15 11:34:22 <alterego> Free?
Nov 15 11:34:30 <alterego> They gave them out?
Nov 15 11:34:37 <mece> yep
Nov 15 11:34:40 <alterego> ffs
Nov 15 11:34:47 <alterego> Now I'm even more sad :(
Nov 15 11:34:48 <mece> that's exactly what I said!
Nov 15 11:34:58 <mece> I'm at home with tonsillitis.
Nov 15 11:34:59 <phellarv> To all except Nokia and Intel Employees
Nov 15 11:35:56 <GAN900> alterego, sucker.
Nov 15 11:36:29 <alterego> bitch :P
Nov 15 11:36:52 <alterego> GAN900: I just want a t-shirt, but if you can get me a tablet aswell I'll be your bitch ;)
Nov 15 11:37:05 <alterego> Well, I'm already your bitch, but still :D
Nov 15 11:39:55 <alterego> I bet even if I managed to fly out this evening and get there tomorrow the lenovo give-away was probably only for day one attendees.
Nov 15 11:40:38 <alterego> I hate my life, I missed last years conf, knowing they'd be dishing out loaners
Nov 15 11:46:42 <GAN900> alterego, I don't even know where you have to go to get them.
Nov 15 11:47:32 <mece> so why the hell doesn't the stream work on my n900???
Nov 15 11:47:56 <mece> oh. the very second I wrote that the stream died.
Nov 15 11:49:13 <alterego> Heh
Nov 15 11:49:46 <alterego> GAN900: It'd be nice if they could send some of us non-attendees, but devote followers a package ;)
Nov 15 11:50:29 <alterego> I guess I'm just sour after never getting any freebies :( Just got a discounted N810 the whole time I've been here.
Nov 15 11:50:53 <mece> I've gotten nothing.
Nov 15 11:50:56 <alterego> I suppose we should also understand that meego isn't maemo.
Nov 15 11:51:04 <mece> true
Nov 15 11:51:17 <alterego> So there's no obligation to any of us :D
Nov 15 11:51:53 <lardman> What's in the package?
Nov 15 11:52:09 <lardman> have been trying to get twitter to follow the conf, stupid webclient is rubbish
Nov 15 11:52:16 <lardman> or it's me ;)
Nov 15 11:52:27 <mece> lardman, no its rubbish
Nov 15 11:52:36 <lardman> ah phew ;)
Nov 15 11:52:52 <timsamoff> Who's the Maemo dev who wants to takw on creating a Deb to RPM package converer? Nokia and Intel are looking for someone to reward... or, at leat, be a community hero. ;)
Nov 15 11:53:15 <timsamoff> Why isn't lardman here, btw?!
Nov 15 11:53:17 <mece> lardman, how about this: http://tweetchat.com/room/meegoconf
Nov 15 11:53:18 <javispedro>  tbh, it is not a hard thing...
Nov 15 11:53:19 <mece> works
Nov 15 11:53:28 <lardman> timsamoff: busy at work
Nov 15 11:53:31 <javispedro> could probably be done with bash, even.
Nov 15 11:53:36 <timsamoff> Blech.
Nov 15 11:53:56 <lardman> mece: cool, thanks
Nov 15 11:54:18 <timsamoff> FWIW, people are looking for it... Must be good UX for all levels.
Nov 15 11:55:05 <lardman> timsamoff: so can you confirm finally that GAN900 is a real person...? ;)
Nov 15 11:55:19 <Jaffa> timsamoff: Not sure why they think it's a good idea.
Nov 15 11:55:26 <lardman> hey Jaffa
Nov 15 11:55:34 <GAN900> Hey!
Nov 15 11:55:36 <Jaffa> lardman: hey. You should be her.
Nov 15 11:55:39 <Jaffa> s/her/here/
Nov 15 11:55:39 <infobot> Jaffa meant: lardman: hey. You should be here.
Nov 15 11:55:42 <lardman> I know, I know
Nov 15 11:55:44 <alterego> Probably for some of the maemo apps, obviously.
Nov 15 11:55:45 * Jaffa 's gone back to hotel room to reflash N900
Nov 15 11:56:04 <Jaffa> alterego: Yeah, but most are Hildon so won't work well or integrate into the app.
Nov 15 11:56:05 <timsamoff> lardman: heard in passing. Number of apps is important these days.
Nov 15 11:56:29 <lardman> ?
Nov 15 11:57:18 <timsamoff> Competition changing the landscape... Apps working across platforms is good, no?
Nov 15 11:57:40 <GAN900> TSG is hitting all of the talking points.
Nov 15 11:57:52 <lardman> hmm, is this streaming anywhere?
Nov 15 11:57:57 <Jaffa> GAN900: Are they? I left cos it seemed like typical TSG meeting
Nov 15 11:58:06 <alterego> Jaffa: Could you get hold of mine and tonys' goodie bags from the conf and drop them off in London next time you're around ;)
Nov 15 11:58:08 <GAN900> Jaffa, exactly.
Nov 15 11:58:16 <alterego> Oo, replies to my bug reports ..
Nov 15 11:58:45 <timsamoff> I can't wait for the minutes from this one. :p
Nov 15 11:59:00 <GAN900> Feels like an interview on local access TV.
Nov 15 11:59:17 <GAN900> No time will be left for Q&A.
Nov 15 11:59:29 <fcrochik> GAN900, at least we don't get ads...
Nov 15 11:59:33 <GAN900> blah blah blah
Nov 15 11:59:49 <Jaffa> alterego: I've not got mine yet, TBH
Nov 15 11:59:52 <Jaffa> alterego: They can't find it.
Nov 15 11:59:54 <alterego> :)
Nov 15 11:59:57 <alterego> Heh
Nov 15 12:00:28 <timsamoff> They need to open this for questions...soon.
Nov 15 12:00:43 <GAN900> 6 minutes left
Nov 15 12:01:06 <GAN900> I can't get there from here.
Nov 15 12:01:09 <Jaffa> There've been no questions yet?!
Nov 15 12:01:13 <Jaffa> Apart from Jim Zemlin?
Nov 15 12:01:45 <GAN900> Jaffa, yup.
Nov 15 12:01:50 <phellarv> They are afraid of questions about the N900
Nov 15 12:01:53 <phellarv> ;-P
Nov 15 12:02:03 <GAN900> phellarv, who could blame them.
Nov 15 12:02:07 <timsamoff> Just beginning... But, then Jim asked another ?
Nov 15 12:02:13 <alterego> Heh
Nov 15 12:02:18 <javispedro> you'd have to enter the stage and interrupt to ask anything :)
Nov 15 12:02:20 <timeless_mbp> anything interesting?
Nov 15 12:02:23 <timeless_mbp> and where is everyone?
Nov 15 12:02:27 <javispedro> oh
Nov 15 12:02:38 <lardman> http://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming - I'm assuming this is live
Nov 15 12:02:51 <phellarv> lardman: It's live, yes.
Nov 15 12:02:57 <lardman> cool
Nov 15 12:03:08 <GAN900> Oof
Nov 15 12:03:12 <GAN900> There's the lag.
Nov 15 12:03:24 * timeless_mbp went to town and bought a laser pointer and managed to get o2 to fix the sim
Nov 15 12:03:39 <lardman> GAN900: but is the lag less than your typing speed? :)
Nov 15 12:03:56 <GAN900> timeless_mbp, by the back entrance to President's at one of the round tables next to javispedro.
Nov 15 12:04:17 <GAN900> lardman, at 60+ seconds, no.
Nov 15 12:04:24 <lardman> oh well
Nov 15 12:04:27 <timeless_mbp> GAN900: @event site?
Nov 15 12:06:00 <chem|st> re
Nov 15 12:06:19 <crashanddie> lardman, the hint was in the URL... :P
Nov 15 12:06:42 <lardman> crashanddie: I don't believe everything I read on the internet... ;)
Nov 15 12:07:18 <crashanddie> lardman, you are a man
Nov 15 12:07:29 <crashanddie> OMG, LARDMAN DOESN'T BELIEVE HE'S A MAN
Nov 15 12:07:39 <Jaffa> Kernel flashed. Yay!
Nov 15 12:07:42 <lardman> note the "everything"
Nov 15 12:07:56 * Jaffa heads back
Nov 15 12:18:09 <tugrik> anyone use the "shopper" app?
Nov 15 12:18:28 <tugrik> i'm having trouble finding the "delete" option
Nov 15 12:19:02 <lardman> lol @ music on live streaming video
Nov 15 12:19:10 <lardman> or is that playing live for you guys there?
Nov 15 12:19:11 <chem|st> MohammadAG: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11579 would you mind to give some of your knowledge to this?
Nov 15 12:19:12 <povbot> Bug 11579: Kernel USB patch - bug not feature stuck at 500MHz while charging
Nov 15 12:21:47 <javispedro> eating from a plate while standing up
Nov 15 12:21:48 <javispedro> horrible
Nov 15 12:22:16 <timeless_xchat> lunch time?
Nov 15 12:26:10 <SpeedEvil> tugrik: I vaguely recall you just tap the item
Nov 15 12:26:21 <SpeedEvil> tugrik: I used it only for several minutes though.
Nov 15 12:26:42 <SpeedEvil> On an unrelated matter. Would anyone happen to know a site like youtube that supports pure audio clips/
Nov 15 12:27:15 <realitygaps> SpeedEvil: soundcloud perhaps?
Nov 15 12:30:33 <SpeedEvil> hmm - possibly, thanks.
Nov 15 12:41:27 <RST38h> Anyone sees me?
Nov 15 12:41:37 <lardman> yep
Nov 15 12:41:42 <RST38h> Weird
Nov 15 12:41:56 <RST38h> lardman: Care to give a summary of what is going on at the conference?
Nov 15 12:42:15 <lardman> RST38h: am sat at home slaving away over a hot computer I'm afraid
Nov 15 12:42:27 <RST38h> lardman: How familiar...
Nov 15 12:42:34 <lardman> yeah :(
Nov 15 12:42:42 <RST38h> Let's ask at #meego then =)
Nov 15 12:47:26 <GAN900> timeless_xchat, down in the last room at lunch with timsamoff, Jaffa, and fiferboy.
Nov 15 12:49:29 <alterego> Oh well, back to hacking I guess.
Nov 15 12:50:51 * SpeedEvil sighs, and wishes conference was possible.
Nov 15 12:50:52 <SpeedEvil> meh.
Nov 15 12:51:09 <alterego> SpeedEvil: you're not alone ;)
Nov 15 12:51:32 <lardman> +1
Nov 15 12:51:34 * SpeedEvil looks round for the burglar.
Nov 15 12:51:41 <alterego> Hahah
Nov 15 12:51:42 <alterego> BOO!
Nov 15 12:52:45 * MohammadAG seconds that
Nov 15 12:52:47 <Larholm> urg, "No keyring installed in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/."
Nov 15 12:52:58 <Larholm> I'm trying to follow the instructions on https://projects.maemo.org/docs/environment.html#installing-scratchbox
Nov 15 12:52:59 <MohammadAG> though i have my government to blame
Nov 15 12:54:56 <Termana> MohammadAG, can I blame your government for me not being in attendance as well?
Nov 15 12:54:57 <Termana> Stupid gov'mt
Nov 15 12:55:14 <MohammadAG> yes
Nov 15 12:58:29 * Larholm curses scratchbox
Nov 15 12:59:00 * GAN900 is in the community session now in the terrace.
Nov 15 13:09:43 <GAN900> Dawn's talk is starting.
Nov 15 13:09:50 <DocScrutinizer> haha, local Dublin time is UTC-00:20 ?!
Nov 15 13:10:26 <DocScrutinizer> more like -00:15
Nov 15 13:11:12 <GAN900> I guess she didn't find the maemo.org trademark page.
Nov 15 13:11:21 <alterego> Heh
Nov 15 13:12:46 <DocScrutinizer> http://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming   Local Dublin Time: 2010-11-15 12:50
Nov 15 13:13:27 <GAN900> 13:06 according to my clock.
Nov 15 13:13:50 <Termana> DocScrutinizer, it keeps jumping back and forth between different times
Nov 15 13:20:07 <DocScrutinizer> a clock that's off, and a stream that doesn't stream... :-/
Nov 15 13:22:16 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, it's a football stadium. :P
Nov 15 13:23:29 <DocScrutinizer> he, now only proper audio missing
Nov 15 13:23:35 <DocScrutinizer> give dawn a mic
Nov 15 13:24:14 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: seems it is not attached to the stream as she got one...
Nov 15 13:24:47 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, she's on the PA here.
Nov 15 13:24:49 <chem|st> only once... only once working with professionals
Nov 15 13:26:07 <DocScrutinizer> meh, useless
Nov 15 13:26:15 <DocScrutinizer> don't get a single word
Nov 15 13:26:44 <chem|st> GAN900: is the speech recorded?
Nov 15 13:26:46 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, summarizing in #meego
Nov 15 13:26:52 <GAN900> chem|st, one would assume so.
Nov 15 13:28:33 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: sure, you can playback the recorded lifestream later
Nov 15 13:28:41 <DocScrutinizer> livestream?
Nov 15 13:28:46 <chem|st> GAN900: do you mind to ask one of the streaming guys to dub it later and set up a connection for future sessions after the brake?
Nov 15 13:29:10 <DocScrutinizer> with same useless audio
Nov 15 13:29:14 <GAN900> chem|st, streaming guy is behind a very large and intimidating video camera.
Nov 15 13:29:58 <crashanddie> GAN900, if it's a 4k RED I'm pissing myself
Nov 15 13:30:44 <GAN900> Sony something
Nov 15 13:30:48 <chem|st> GAN900: with speech recording I mean the actual talking output
Nov 15 13:31:02 <chem|st> GAN900: picture?
Nov 15 13:34:27 <DocScrutinizer> SOUND???!!!
Nov 15 13:34:32 <DocScrutinizer> \o/
Nov 15 13:34:32 <GAN900> chem|st, N900 isn't telephoto enough and I don't want to stick the 7D in the face of the person behind me.
Nov 15 13:35:27 <chem|st> GAN900: please *twink*, and get someone else to take a picture of you sticking your 7d in the face of the person behind you too ;)
Nov 15 13:40:13 * SpeedEvil ponders.
Nov 15 13:40:40 <SpeedEvil> Ad-hoc wifi synchronised mics on all n900s, with phased array capabilities.
Nov 15 13:52:40 <lardman> SpeedEvil: and run pocketsphinx in parallel to transcribe the audio
Nov 15 13:56:57 <DocScrutinizer> yeah!
Nov 15 13:57:47 <DocScrutinizer> maybe pocketsphinx can understand it. Me can't
Nov 15 13:57:54 <lardman> http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/2010/03/pocketsphinx-0-6-release/
Nov 15 13:58:07 <lardman> I see a new version, and someone's even integrated it with a browser
Nov 15 13:58:13 <DocScrutinizer> so english subtitles would be highly appreciated
Nov 15 13:58:14 <lardman> yeah vol is quite low
Nov 15 13:59:06 <DocScrutinizer> actually I got ~3..5 *words* of Dawn's talk
Nov 15 13:59:20 <lardman> due to vol?
Nov 15 13:59:43 <mece> I found it alright.
Nov 15 13:59:51 <DocScrutinizer> and due to really fast and accent speech
Nov 15 14:00:34 <lardman> ah ok
Nov 15 14:00:44 <lardman> where are you from Doc?
Nov 15 14:00:56 <DocScrutinizer> no native speaker here, and not at all trained to listen to *spoken* English
Nov 15 14:01:44 <DocScrutinizer> lardman: SOL 3
Nov 15 14:02:12 <lardman> :)
Nov 15 14:02:50 <DocScrutinizer> DAMN - thought my harddisk is going to explode... Nah it was weird audio of the stream
Nov 15 14:03:26 <jaska> haha, i had that once.. a song was playing on the headphones that sounded like a dying drive when the headphones were on the table :D
Nov 15 14:04:15 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, exactly - except it's been the laptop speakers here
Nov 15 14:04:38 <lardman> hmm, updated in the repo too, cool, I was quite impressed to see voice browsing on an HTC Desire HD
Nov 15 14:05:44 <javispedro>  /me has arrived late to all talks so far :(
Nov 15 14:07:29 <jpwhiting> hey all, is there an easy way to get something like qt assistant on n900 with maemo?
Nov 15 14:18:52 <jpwhiting> apt-get libqt4-assistant wants to install the 4.5 version but can't because my docs and qt are version 4.7
Nov 15 14:23:30 <lardman> hmm, how does one get Ovi Store working?
Nov 15 14:24:03 <crashanddie> slap it on the side a couple of times
Nov 15 14:24:15 <ShadowJK> heh
Nov 15 14:24:25 <DocScrutinizer> ouch
Nov 15 14:24:39 <DocScrutinizer> volume at 100%
Nov 15 14:25:02 <ShadowJK> latest maemo?
Nov 15 14:32:38 <lardman> argh, why does it take so long to display the catalogue list in HAM?
Nov 15 14:32:52 <RST38h> Because....
Nov 15 14:32:56 <RST38h> Just because.
Nov 15 14:33:05 <alterego> Heh
Nov 15 14:33:08 <lardman> its just given up now
Nov 15 14:33:11 <lardman> craptastic
Nov 15 14:33:15 <alterego> You're lucky yours displays ...
Nov 15 14:33:21 <RST38h> Probably does some really inefficient text file scanning
Nov 15 14:33:39 <alterego> 80% of the time mine doesn't even populate
Nov 15 14:33:42 <RST38h> Is HAM source code open BTW?
Nov 15 14:33:44 <lardman> same here
Nov 15 14:33:48 <lardman> yeah
Nov 15 14:33:59 <lardman> RST38h: yes I believe so
Nov 15 14:34:12 <RST38h> lardman: So, we can stick our dirty hands there and dissect =)
Nov 15 14:34:31 <RST38h> Out of morbid curiosity, at the very least
Nov 15 14:34:33 <lardman> I think so yes, might be worth a look if you have some spare time
Nov 15 14:34:42 <alterego> RST38h: it's open but wont compile because of deps on some closed components.
Nov 15 14:34:49 <lardman> I think the libapt (?) backend is supposed to be slow too
Nov 15 14:34:57 <alterego> I think it's slow because of that apt-worker daemon.
Nov 15 14:55:53 <lardman> anyone seen debs for nightingale-n900?
Nov 15 15:17:10 <pupnik> http://i.imgur.com/4yY7O.png   xkcd correction...
Nov 15 15:56:49 <gustavoferreira_> Hi everyone
Nov 15 15:58:01 <gustavoferreira_> Could some one tell me where can I find FHS specific for  maemo? i mean, the must directories like the ones that have the .desktop files and so on..?
Nov 15 16:02:42 <chem|st> ~packaging
Nov 15 16:02:42 <infobot> Ask me about ipkg
Nov 15 16:02:51 <chem|st> ~ipkg
Nov 15 16:02:51 <infobot> rumour has it, ipkg is the Itsy Package Management system: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/iPKG or find the source in the handhelds.org CVS http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/dist/ipkg or see the howto at http://docs.zaurus.com/ipkg_howto.shtml
Nov 15 16:03:46 <chem|st> gustavoferreira_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging/Guidelines ... didn't try google hu?
Nov 15 16:04:21 * realitygaps gets zaurus flashbacks from ipkg references :)
Nov 15 16:04:41 <chem|st> ~packaging-guidlines
Nov 15 16:04:49 <chem|st> ~guidlines
Nov 15 16:04:51 <gustavoferreira> sorry guys, could you paste what you wrote? i closed my irc client accidently :S
Nov 15 16:04:59 <chem|st> gustavoferreira_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging/Guidelines ... didn't try google hu?
Nov 15 16:05:28 <chem|st> ~fhs
Nov 15 16:05:28 <infobot> i guess fhs is the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package
Nov 15 16:07:16 <gustavoferreira> chem|st: I tried and all i got was FHS in general, for debian, ubuntu, etc. But thank you for your info
Nov 15 16:07:16 * kerio wonders why apple had to rename half of the usual directories
Nov 15 16:08:41 <gustavoferreira> I'm knew on the IRC stuff, could you please tell me why sometimes people here put "~" in front of a word? i'm sorry if it is a stupid question but i don't really know, thanks in advanced.
Nov 15 16:08:59 <gustavoferreira> new*
Nov 15 16:09:01 <lardman> it prompts infobot to parse the sentance
Nov 15 16:09:07 <lardman> ~infobot
Nov 15 16:09:08 <infobot> well, infobot is in need of training, can someone train me?
Nov 15 16:09:09 <chem|st> gustavoferreira: http://tinyurl.com/37eu9vf
Nov 15 16:09:14 <lardman> ~curse infobot
Nov 15 16:09:14 <infobot> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, infobot !
Nov 15 16:09:18 <Larholm> :O
Nov 15 16:09:43 <chem|st> ~tell gustavoferreira about fhs
Nov 15 16:09:48 <realitygaps> ~meego
Nov 15 16:09:48 <infobot> well, meego is http://meego.com an opensource distribution for netbooks and mobile devices
Nov 15 16:10:12 <chem|st> ~drink beer
Nov 15 16:10:12 <infobot> drinks beer in one swig, turns blue, green, and ultraviolet, and then vomits beer across the room
Nov 15 16:10:28 <lardman> ~vomit
Nov 15 16:10:29 * infobot vomits on lardman
Nov 15 16:10:32 <lardman> nice
Nov 15 16:10:35 <realitygaps> ~thanks infobot
Nov 15 16:10:36 <infobot> realitygaps: no problem
Nov 15 16:10:38 <chem|st> ~kill kittens
Nov 15 16:10:38 * infobot shoots a excited proton gun at kittens
Nov 15 16:10:49 * SpeedEvil stabs firefox revisions.
Nov 15 16:11:03 <kerio> ~curse firefox revisions
Nov 15 16:11:04 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, firefox revisions !
Nov 15 16:11:34 <gustavoferreira> i guess i have to read about this infobot, i'm not understanding what it doe, it just display messages you write?
Nov 15 16:11:36 <chem|st> ~striptease
Nov 15 16:11:36 <infobot> Hoogah Hoogah wah wah *takes of the box* *dances around showing of the cpu and memory* Ah yeah you likey my little HD no?
Nov 15 16:11:40 <SpeedEvil> Specifically.
Nov 15 16:11:43 <SpeedEvil> ~flashing
Nov 15 16:11:43 <infobot> i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Nov 15 16:11:51 <SpeedEvil> Is the more useful application
Nov 15 16:12:29 <lardman> gustavoferreira: it doesn't do much useful, though it can remember things like URLs as SpeedEvil showed above
Nov 15 16:12:30 <chem|st> true
Nov 15 16:12:46 <alterego> My custom widget set port to Qml has gone quite nicely :D
Nov 15 16:12:50 <realitygaps> ~osx
Nov 15 16:12:51 <infobot> i guess osx is such a good OS it owns people's afr0's, or massively over-rated
Nov 15 16:12:59 <chem|st> gustavoferreira: and tel people about it without spamming the channel
Nov 15 16:13:10 <chem|st> s/tel/tell/
Nov 15 16:13:10 <infobot> chem|st meant: gustavoferreira: and tell people about it without spamming the channel
Nov 15 16:13:19 <chem|st> and correct me
Nov 15 16:13:28 <gustavoferreira> sorry
Nov 15 16:13:49 <chem|st> gustavoferreira: was not to blame you
Nov 15 16:15:38 <pronto> it would be awesome if there was a way to send and recieve text message via cli
Nov 15 16:15:54 <alterego> pronto: dbus
Nov 15 16:16:04 <alterego> dbus-send to be exact
Nov 15 16:16:07 <alterego> ~dbus-send
Nov 15 16:16:14 <chem|st> pronto: there are scripts already
Nov 15 16:16:19 <pronto> wait really?
Nov 15 16:16:20 * SpeedEvil sighs at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=505037
Nov 15 16:16:21 <povbot> Bug 505037: was not found.
Nov 15 16:16:28 <SpeedEvil> Fixed in january - still not in trunk.
Nov 15 16:16:32 <SpeedEvil> err
Nov 15 16:16:33 <SpeedEvil> releases
Nov 15 16:17:03 <pupnik> i'm creating a NEW PICS DIRECTORY just for pictures people who belong in an RPG  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2L7F7CnmHw
Nov 15 16:18:11 <alterego> Where's intel: http://thehandheldblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/MeeGo-Summit-Oulu.jpg
Nov 15 16:28:01 <juozapas> why sometimes led blink when sms received but there isnt notify icon in the bottom of stand-by clock ?
Nov 15 17:01:47 <lardman> hmm hurd, that reminds me, did someone get that built for the chap on TMO?
Nov 15 17:06:37 <Khertan_> bouh ... can't promise
Nov 15 17:06:38 <Khertan_> shaem
Nov 15 17:34:04 <BCMM> is there a way to set file associations (for file manager, email, browser, etc.)?
Nov 15 17:34:53 <BCMM> it says there is no viewer for MS .doc files, and i'd like it to open them in freoffice, and it would also be nice for PDFs to open in evince
Nov 15 17:36:20 <pupnik> hey DocScrutinizer can i add-on (double) the number of cells in an external laptop battery pack?
Nov 15 17:36:46 <pupnik> i was thinking of hooking 2 cells in parallel up for each one in the original pack
Nov 15 17:39:00 <SpeedEvil> pupnik: sometimes.
Nov 15 17:39:17 <SpeedEvil> pupnik: but this will often confuse the battery pack, and may make it not charge
Nov 15 17:39:29 <pupnik> mhm it depends on their logic i guess
Nov 15 17:40:14 <pupnik> sort of surprised i haven't seen extended size external packs for thinkpads (mugen?)
Nov 15 17:40:40 <SpeedEvil> you can for many models get extended batteries.
Nov 15 17:41:01 <SpeedEvil> For the x60s - IIRC - it will go up to around double the capacity with a secondary battery
Nov 15 17:41:07 <SpeedEvil> which fits on the base
Nov 15 17:46:12 <javispedro> uoooh
Nov 15 17:46:26 <javispedro> gconf vs dconf vs qsettings vs plain files
Nov 15 17:48:30 <Robot101> plain fails
Nov 15 17:48:51 <johnsq> Hi
Nov 15 18:07:48 <DocScrutinizer51> plain fails vs plain files
Nov 15 18:10:33 <DocScrutinizer51> we had this topic a few weeks ago, and iirc there wasn't a *single* sound argument why we need a centralized service (as evil and nonsensical as windows registry) to manage config data
Nov 15 18:11:45 <DocScrutinizer51> highlight: None app can't read in 10.000 config files"
Nov 15 18:12:14 <DocScrutinizer51> s/ N/ "/
Nov 15 18:12:15 <infobot> DocScrutinizer51 meant: highlight: "one app can't read in 10.000 config files"
Nov 15 18:13:42 <DocScrutinizer51> if a friggin app has to read 10.000 files to gather config, then that app needs no gconf but a painful death
Nov 15 18:15:14 <DocScrutinizer51> highlight2: "there can not 10.000 apps read one config file" Answer: why not?
Nov 15 18:15:40 <lardman> though standardising the way conf data are read and written is useful for app writers
Nov 15 18:15:53 <lardman> but needn't mean a monolithic store
Nov 15 18:15:58 * mgedmin sighs
Nov 15 18:16:17 <mgedmin> realtime config change notifications is a sound argument in my mind
Nov 15 18:16:34 <RST38h> you are overcomplicating things
Nov 15 18:16:34 <mgedmin> the 10,000 xml files on disk braindamage ought to be fixed
Nov 15 18:16:40 <DocScrutinizer51> lardman: ack
Nov 15 18:18:17 <kerio> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm0AkFUYpLQ why didn't he use a n900 too :(
Nov 15 18:19:13 <DocScrutinizer51> mgedmin: yeah, while you're at it: fix the 100.000 mp3 files braindamage. Seems tracker doesn't full job
Nov 15 18:20:17 <DocScrutinizer51> </sarcasm> if somebody needs that tag
Nov 15 18:20:54 <pupnik> DocScrutinizer51: what's wrong with ~/. directories
Nov 15 18:21:01 <johnsu01> should mbarcode be able to scan book barcodes?
Nov 15 18:21:13 <DocScrutinizer51> pupnik: NOTHING
Nov 15 18:21:27 <pupnik> i can't think of anything real
Nov 15 18:21:32 <pupnik> as an objection
Nov 15 18:21:39 <DocScrutinizer51> I'm all for this age old tested concept
Nov 15 18:21:41 <pupnik> it's per-user.  it's got basic file security
Nov 15 18:21:49 <BCMM> +1 for "what is gconf actually for?"
Nov 15 18:21:52 <lardman> johnsu01: yes
Nov 15 18:22:12 <lardman> kerio: despite their being competitors, that brings tears to my eyes
Nov 15 18:22:13 <RST38h> Gentlemen, you obviously need WIndows registry
Nov 15 18:22:16 <BCMM> like the registry, it doesn't really help unify anything much
Nov 15 18:22:24 <lardman> johnsu01: what's the problem?
Nov 15 18:22:39 <BCMM> in that it has a bunch of keys with obscure meanings that could just as well be config file lines with obscure meanings
Nov 15 18:22:41 <kerio> lardman: it's brilliant advertising
Nov 15 18:22:49 <pupnik> bingo BCMM
Nov 15 18:23:07 <RST38h> Please, vot for the new XCHat btw: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/xchat/2.8.6-maemo18/
Nov 15 18:23:26 <pupnik> home directory already *is* a registry as well as being other things
Nov 15 18:23:26 <lardman> kerio: for the portable bbq?
Nov 15 18:23:34 <juozapas> irssi ftw
Nov 15 18:23:53 <RST38h> pupnik: Some people do not get it
Nov 15 18:24:12 <RST38h> pupnik: Besides, it does make sense to cache config data in case someone is reading it often
Nov 15 18:24:23 <pupnik> weaned on the teat of microsoft, i say.  not good unix milk like we had in our day
Nov 15 18:25:21 <johnsu01> lardman: it's not picking them up apparently, I have used it successfully for qr codes before but it's not recognizing the code on any of my books
Nov 15 18:25:55 <lardman> the 1D decoder is more prone to errors caused by poor lighting and contrast
Nov 15 18:26:22 <johnsu01> it could be poor lighting, but it's kind of hard to get light with the phone hovering over the code :)
Nov 15 18:26:43 <lardman> you should be able to hold it a fair distance away really
Nov 15 18:26:54 <lardman> depends how large the barcode is of course
Nov 15 18:27:38 <lardman> can you show us an image? mBarcode can capture an image
Nov 15 18:29:41 <NooBmonk3y> alterego, ping
Nov 15 18:34:21 <NooBmonk3y> MohammadAG,  :)
Nov 15 18:34:38 <johnsu01> lardman: ah, got one to work with more light and fiddling
Nov 15 18:36:31 <lardman> johnsu01: sorry about that, we need to work on the 1D decoder to make it perform better
Nov 15 18:37:07 <johnsu01> lardman: no worries, happy to have it at all :) what do the color flashes that happen sometimes mean? occasionally there is a purple or green bar that flashes across the scanning window
Nov 15 18:37:08 <lardman> one option is to use the light sensor and turn on the LEDs if there's not enough, we'll have to take a look at that in the fullness of time
Nov 15 18:37:21 <lardman> that's the wonders of the gst pipeline
Nov 15 18:37:43 <lardman> it gets paused as it autofocuses then restarts and doesn't know what's left over
Nov 15 18:37:58 <DocScrutinizer> mgedmin: (realtime notification) usecase please! Except a very few things like system wide display zoom factor, you'd think nobody but the app itself has to mess around with an app's config. For those few global things there are other, better means than a centralized data store process bottleneck. Inotify comes to mind, as well as dbus and a few other well defined mechanisms in X and...
Nov 15 18:38:12 <lardman> actually you might be better changing the settings to not autofocus, and to use the shutter button to do the decoding
Nov 15 18:38:45 <mgedmin> DocScrutinizer: I like being able to set my "fullscreen window" key in gnome-keybinding-properties and have metacity/compiz pick it right up
Nov 15 18:39:00 <johnsu01> lardman: oh, there are settings?
Nov 15 18:39:14 <lardman> yep, hit the menu button, somewhere on the RHS
Nov 15 18:39:20 <lardman> s/button/icon
Nov 15 18:40:10 <DocScrutinizer> mgedmin: uhuh. Yeah, I as well like to set *your* config data and your apps pick it up immediately
Nov 15 18:40:28 <lardman> the spanner icon in fact
Nov 15 18:40:53 <johnsu01> hm I don't seem to have that
Nov 15 18:41:06 <DocScrutinizer> if that's been too fuzzy: which part of >>Except a very few things like system wide display zoom factor, you'd think nobody but the app itself has to mess around with an app's config.<< you disagree ?
Nov 15 18:41:16 <lardman> are you running on an N900?
Nov 15 18:41:21 <johnsu01> lardman: yes
Nov 15 18:41:34 <lardman> try upgrading from extras-devel
Nov 15 18:41:58 <juozapas> how to use alt button on n900?
Nov 15 18:42:11 <johnsu01> lardman: I will try that in a bit, thanks
Nov 15 18:42:23 <lardman> np, give me a shout if you have any troubles
Nov 15 18:43:51 <NooBmonk3y> hi alls, got an odd problem (QT on ubuntu), i add a stacked widget to my ui, and then as before i went to call ui->stackedWidget(...) but it is not recognising StackedWidget as being there? any ideas?
Nov 15 18:44:41 <lardman> case of name?
Nov 15 18:45:19 <NooBmonk3y> well normally if you type ui-> or ui.  a drop down list appears, it is not on there either
Nov 15 18:45:26 <NooBmonk3y> (and case is right :) )
Nov 15 18:45:36 <NooBmonk3y> it's as though it just doesnt exist :|
Nov 15 18:45:54 <lardman> did you save the ui file?
Nov 15 18:45:57 <NooBmonk3y> yup
Nov 15 18:46:13 <NooBmonk3y> got 2 projects side by side to, and comparing, one works, one doesnt :| tis really odd
Nov 15 18:46:24 <lardman> indeed, strange
Nov 15 18:47:07 <NooBmonk3y> :|
Nov 15 18:47:30 <lardman> I'm afraid I can't help you there, I hate those ui constructs
Nov 15 18:48:05 <NooBmonk3y> hehe, thanks though :)
Nov 15 18:56:15 <lardman> hmm, I can return boolean values, but not Python strings
Nov 15 19:00:35 <pupnik> the ones that process and search big trees as you type?  hate em too, except for a couple of cases
Nov 15 19:09:02 <lardman> yay! mBarcode python scripting appears to work! :)
Nov 15 19:09:17 <RST38h> madman! madman! =)
Nov 15 19:09:51 <lardman> :)
Nov 15 19:10:07 <johnsu01> lardman: updated version works much better, recognized the code much quicker
Nov 15 19:10:15 <lardman> cool, glad to hear it
Nov 15 19:10:32 <lardman> we'll push it to -testing and extras proper soon, sorry about your needing to enable -devel
Nov 15 19:10:37 <johnsu01> I didn't realize it handled these barcodes till now, this will be fun
Nov 15 19:10:46 * RST38h has devel enabled for months now
Nov 15 19:10:57 <lardman> same here, but some people don't like it
Nov 15 19:11:03 <johnsu01> lardman: np, only reason it wasn't already enabled was because this is a new replacement device :)
Nov 15 19:11:11 <lardman> ah ok :)
Nov 15 19:15:49 <johnsu01> so thankful to have a replacement, other defects that I had attributed to software were also fixed -- pretty sure my original one had a defective FM transmitter and battery
Nov 15 19:20:17 <NooBmonk3y> ok something weird is going on!
Nov 15 19:20:33 <NooBmonk3y> now when i add new things to the gui, and build / test on the device the new stuff isnt appearing
Nov 15 19:20:37 <NooBmonk3y> wtf is going on!
Nov 15 19:26:14 <DocScrutinizer> juozapas: esc;<char> usually works like alt+<char>
Nov 15 19:26:48 <DocScrutinizer> juozapas: do not _hold_ esc 'ley'
Nov 15 19:26:54 <DocScrutinizer> key*
Nov 15 19:34:06 <juozapas> k thx DocScrutinizer
Nov 15 19:40:12 <nox-> moin
Nov 15 19:45:50 <slonopotamus> and one more time :)
Nov 15 19:46:15 <slonopotamus> anyone knows what the hell is contained in diablo orig.tar.gz?
Nov 15 19:55:41 <wmarone> !
Nov 15 19:55:43 <wmarone> update to xchat
Nov 15 20:06:57 * NooBmonk3y is really confused.....
Nov 15 20:07:06 <NooBmonk3y> lardman, remember the issue i had earlier?
Nov 15 20:08:02 <NooBmonk3y> its steadily got worse, and i couldnt figure out why, i've now pinned it down to changing my windowTitle on my mainwindow, change it back and it is all fine :|
Nov 15 20:12:16 <NooBmonk3y> aghhhh still not working
Nov 15 20:17:48 <DocScrutinizer> slonopotamus: wild guess: data for "reset to factory defaults" ?
Nov 15 20:19:55 <DocScrutinizer> NooBmonk3y: VCS - sometimes a helpful tool
Nov 15 20:20:10 <NooBmonk3y> ?
Nov 15 20:20:25 <DocScrutinizer> or simply backups
Nov 15 20:20:29 <NooBmonk3y> doc, why would when i press buil/rebuild etc, it seem that the UI only is not being built?
Nov 15 20:20:29 <DocScrutinizer> lots of them
Nov 15 20:20:36 <NooBmonk3y> i am using a backup and the same issue :|
Nov 15 20:20:56 <DocScrutinizer> you did a make clean?
Nov 15 20:21:15 <NooBmonk3y> yeah
Nov 15 20:21:46 <DocScrutinizer> you did no update?
Nov 15 20:21:57 <NooBmonk3y> nope
Nov 15 20:22:13 <NooBmonk3y> When i build/rebuid i get this
Nov 15 20:22:14 <NooBmonk3y> The process "/usr/bin/make" exited normally.
Nov 15 20:22:14 <NooBmonk3y> Configuration unchanged, skipping qmake step.
Nov 15 20:22:14 <DocScrutinizer> you got a mistery machine
Nov 15 20:22:15 <NooBmonk3y> hmmmmmmm
Nov 15 20:22:26 <NooBmonk3y> it aint unchanged!!!!
Nov 15 20:22:27 <NooBmonk3y> lol
Nov 15 20:22:48 <DocScrutinizer> ouch,
Nov 15 20:22:52 <NooBmonk3y> I just added a button, and it is still saying no change :|
Nov 15 20:22:58 <DocScrutinizer> heh maybe I can help you
Nov 15 20:23:06 <DocScrutinizer> remove the executables
Nov 15 20:23:19 <DocScrutinizer> I know this effect from twinkle and qmake
Nov 15 20:23:26 <DocScrutinizer> qmake sometimes is a bitch
Nov 15 20:23:39 <NooBmonk3y> remove the project's executables?
Nov 15 20:24:00 <DocScrutinizer> i.e. it doesn't build new, if there's an executable. even when the source changed
Nov 15 20:24:15 <DocScrutinizer> the ones you built previously - yes
Nov 15 20:24:29 <NooBmonk3y> hmmm done that
Nov 15 20:25:12 <NooBmonk3y> just tried changing the build directory, but not liking that, i wonder if my external HDD is dead :|
Nov 15 20:25:15 <NooBmonk3y> or dying
Nov 15 20:25:25 <DocScrutinizer> unlikely
Nov 15 20:25:52 <DocScrutinizer> you got warnings or IO error msgs in syslog?
Nov 15 20:27:13 <NooBmonk3y> syslog?
Nov 15 20:27:19 <NooBmonk3y> sorry still new to ubuntu
Nov 15 20:29:27 <DocScrutinizer> try
Nov 15 20:29:31 <DocScrutinizer> smartctl -H /dev/sdb
Nov 15 20:29:43 <DocScrutinizer> s/sdb/whatever_your_drive
Nov 15 20:30:32 <DocScrutinizer> syslog may be /var/log/messages or ...syslog or generally /var/log/*
Nov 15 20:30:43 <DocScrutinizer> you'll be able to tell by name of file
Nov 15 20:31:13 <DocScrutinizer> but
Nov 15 20:31:15 <luke-jr> my syslogs are all using /var/log/everything/current
Nov 15 20:31:32 <DocScrutinizer> as mentioned above, it's unlikely it's a defect of your drive
Nov 15 20:32:08 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: would you believe me, when I tell you I'm not surprised at all :-P
Nov 15 20:34:40 <NooBmonk3y> meh drive is fine
Nov 15 20:34:46 <NooBmonk3y> just baffled
Nov 15 20:34:47 <DocScrutinizer> sure
Nov 15 20:34:50 <NooBmonk3y> created a brand new folder
Nov 15 20:35:00 <NooBmonk3y> copied in the project backup from last night
Nov 15 20:35:18 <NooBmonk3y> opened, cleaned, rebuilt ... same problem, new button not appearing
Nov 15 20:35:38 <DocScrutinizer> tztztz
Nov 15 20:39:07 <DocScrutinizer> you still see ""Configuration unchanged, skipping qmake step.""?
Nov 15 20:39:27 <NooBmonk3y> yup
Nov 15 20:39:35 <slonopotamus> DocScrutinizer, ... i'm talking about kernel
Nov 15 20:39:35 <DocScrutinizer> check your system date
Nov 15 20:39:45 <NooBmonk3y> mon 15 nov 8:33pm - correct
Nov 15 20:40:46 <DocScrutinizer> NooBmonk3y: delete all generated files!
Nov 15 20:40:59 <NooBmonk3y> hmmmm tried that may have found the issue
Nov 15 20:41:03 <NooBmonk3y> just tried the simulator
Nov 15 20:41:05 <slonopotamus> and then, generate all deleted files!
Nov 15 20:41:06 <NooBmonk3y> never used it b4
Nov 15 20:41:09 <NooBmonk3y> Failed to start program. Path or permissions wrong?
Nov 15 20:41:24 <NooBmonk3y> permissions randomly changed somehow to my external hdd?
Nov 15 20:41:28 <DocScrutinizer> I.E. make clean, then check what's left over that's not a project file but generated by qmake etc, and delete that as well
Nov 15 20:41:58 <NooBmonk3y> done that by creating a new folder with the pro etc, and starting again, didnt work
Nov 15 20:42:23 <DocScrutinizer> meh, you didn't
Nov 15 20:42:26 <NooBmonk3y> oh
Nov 15 20:42:37 <NooBmonk3y> ok
Nov 15 20:42:43 <NooBmonk3y> so delete the hole build folder?
Nov 15 20:42:46 <NooBmonk3y> whole*
Nov 15 20:42:51 <NooBmonk3y> well contents off
Nov 15 20:44:16 <DocScrutinizer> NooBmonk3y: I can't tell which of your files are generated (like .o etc) and which are project files (like .c, and the ones created by designer, and whatnot)
Nov 15 20:44:40 <DocScrutinizer> you have to learn that yourself
Nov 15 20:45:25 <DocScrutinizer> generally make clean should remove all of the generated files, minus the executables
Nov 15 20:45:39 <NooBmonk3y> ok well, just opened healthcheck, not touched that in 2 days, added a button, same problem
Nov 15 20:45:49 <DocScrutinizer> for qmake this seems to fail sometimes
Nov 15 20:46:01 <NooBmonk3y> therefore problem must lay within QT.......  , fresh re-install?
Nov 15 20:46:29 <DocScrutinizer> *sigh*
Nov 15 20:46:49 <DocScrutinizer> restart project from scratch
Nov 15 20:46:57 <DocScrutinizer> :-P
Nov 15 20:47:21 <NooBmonk3y> :|
Nov 15 20:47:50 <slonopotamus> clear cookies, checks for viruses, install latest servicepack, etc :P
Nov 15 20:47:58 <DocScrutinizer> NooBmonk3y: you're not listening anyway. So I can even tell you "buy a new computer" it doesn't matter
Nov 15 20:48:26 <Malin_> Is it also possible to speed up the built-in browser? I don't think about browsing speed, but it's a bit unresponsible. And is there a way to have a java-plugin to it?
Nov 15 20:50:23 <NooBmonk3y> DocScrutinizer, its not that i'm not listening, i am trying, but not understanding everything you are saying
Nov 15 20:50:49 <NooBmonk3y> and i'm trying to be logical
Nov 15 20:56:25 <Gorroth> hi
Nov 15 20:56:58 <Gorroth> any of you use mobile maps?  wondering how its voice nav is, especially here in the states
Nov 15 21:02:16 <NooBmonk3y> phew.... re-install of qt and all working again :)
Nov 15 21:02:36 <NooBmonk3y> thank you though DocScrutinizer  even if i annoyed ya....
Nov 15 21:03:00 <NooBmonk3y> and lol slonopotamus
Nov 15 21:15:03 <chupy35> hi, what can i do if the 2gb of my /opt is full, i still have some space on rootfs
Nov 15 21:15:24 <bennypr0fane> hello, can you help me with this: If a community app doesn't come with some sort of an instruction manual, where is it best to look for one? I mean, if I can't figure out what exactly the app can or cannot do, is there a default place to look it up? Or are there simply a lot of apps that come without any instructions/documentation about there functionality?  I can't seem to find a system....
Nov 15 21:15:48 <wmarone> apps generally have to be documented by the developer, if there isn't any then chances are...
Nov 15 21:17:10 <jacekowski> heheheheh
Nov 15 21:17:41 <jacekowski> google is claiming that they don't own android
Nov 15 21:17:48 <DocScrutinizer> NooBmonk3y: odd. as libraries and tools don't wear and rot, you obviously have changed some obscure bit of your configuration of qt. NFC which part of it, or how you did it. Even less of a clue why it threw error ""Configuration unchanged, skipping qmake step.""
Nov 15 21:17:53 <jacekowski> and it's not their fault that it infriges patents
Nov 15 21:18:12 <NooBmonk3y> DocScrutinizer, i dont have a clue either  :( but tis now working :|
Nov 15 21:18:15 <DocScrutinizer> NooBmonk3y: anyway nice to hear it works now
Nov 15 21:18:20 <chupy35> any idea?
Nov 15 21:18:23 <NooBmonk3y> thanks - lets hope it stays that way :|
Nov 15 21:18:30 <bennypr0fane> but if there is documentation, which would be the first place to look for it? I never seem to the info about apps in the same place, it's just scattered all over the "place"
Nov 15 21:19:13 <bennypr0fane> *seem to find
Nov 15 21:19:54 <DocScrutinizer> chupy35: clean /opt
Nov 15 21:20:13 <chupy35> just uninstalling apps?
Nov 15 21:20:35 <DocScrutinizer> chupy35: there have to be greedy, poorly coded pkgs that eat all that space. I mean 2GIGA byte, c'mon
Nov 15 21:20:54 <DocScrutinizer> start with games
Nov 15 21:21:04 <chupy35> i know, and i dont have so much apps, that sucks
Nov 15 21:21:18 <DocScrutinizer> or - even better - du /opt|sort -n
Nov 15 21:21:18 <ShadowJK> bennypr0fane, yeah I think it sucks too. Often the only place you can find any info is in some thread on talk.maemo.org :/
Nov 15 21:21:56 <ShadowJK> did games stop putting data in MyDocs or something? :-(
Nov 15 21:22:18 <DocScrutinizer> did games ever start to do that?
Nov 15 21:22:22 <DocScrutinizer> ~optification
Nov 15 21:22:22 <infobot> methinks optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence3
Nov 15 21:22:43 <DocScrutinizer> *and_MyDocs,*
Nov 15 21:22:54 <RST38h> And good evening, ShadowJK
Nov 15 21:23:00 <ShadowJK> well they put it in /media/mmc?/ on Maemo4 :)
Nov 15 21:23:21 <bennypr0fane> ShadowJK: well and sometimes not even there, and then you have to ask, and hope it's not a suuuuuper-stupid question someone else asked before and maybe you're posting in the wrong thread and maybe noone's even gonna read your question...
Nov 15 21:24:32 <chupy35> angrybirds has alot of data is that maybe cus i flash and reinstall ?
Nov 15 21:25:22 <bennypr0fane> I specifically want to know about grouping the contacts on N900 - I want to be able to sent group sms. Does anyone know about a decent app that can do that?
Nov 15 21:25:30 <chupy35> can i delete some of /opt/local ?
Nov 15 21:26:24 <chupy35> also python
Nov 15 21:29:26 <chupy35> on /opt/rovio/angrybirds/data/levels i have 8 packs, is that normal? i just install pack 1, 2 and 3
Nov 15 21:30:03 <ShadowJK> python is used by many things :/
Nov 15 21:32:25 <BCMM> and some people.
Nov 15 21:33:17 <chupy35> what can i do, just angrybirds seems to consume alot of space
Nov 15 21:34:21 <tugrik> i wouldn't remove python, as ShadowJK points out, it's used by many things
Nov 15 21:34:50 <chupy35> so? my opt is full, is kind of strange
Nov 15 21:36:22 <DocScrutinizer> did you the suggested >>du /opt|sort -n
Nov 15 21:36:44 <DocScrutinizer> to identify the hugest hogs
Nov 15 21:36:50 <pupnik> awesome "Tof-Cameras"
Nov 15 21:36:53 <chupy35> yes
Nov 15 21:37:12 <chupy35> one of the hugest was angrybirds
Nov 15 21:37:16 <DocScrutinizer> pastebin the last 50 lines
Nov 15 21:37:23 <DocScrutinizer> uninstall it
Nov 15 21:37:43 <chupy35> ok
Nov 15 21:37:51 <DocScrutinizer> oh , mompls
Nov 15 21:38:18 <DocScrutinizer> >>du -x /opt|sort -n
Nov 15 21:38:23 <DocScrutinizer> is the correct line
Nov 15 21:40:17 <DocScrutinizer> -x for "don't leave that filesystem during scan"
Nov 15 21:40:43 <DocScrutinizer> so you don't see possible symlinks as using up space in opt
Nov 15 21:40:52 <NooBmonk3y> lol preenv has sucked my opt dry ;)
Nov 15 21:41:17 <DocScrutinizer> you bet it does :-P
Nov 15 21:41:20 <chupy35> maube
Nov 15 21:41:56 <NooBmonk3y> 114.5M free lol
Nov 15 21:42:03 <DocScrutinizer> not preenv but the games though
Nov 15 21:42:11 <NooBmonk3y> true :P
Nov 15 21:42:24 <chupy35> yes i think is preenv
Nov 15 21:42:25 <chupy35> also
Nov 15 21:42:43 <DocScrutinizer> tolda start with games
Nov 15 21:42:55 <chupy35> look http://pastie.org/1300809
Nov 15 21:42:59 <DocScrutinizer> it's always the games (except when a map app goes apeshit)
Nov 15 21:44:20 <chupy35> but i only have on opt like 520 kbs, preenv maybe?
Nov 15 21:44:43 <lardman> Khertan_: ping
Nov 15 21:44:51 <DocScrutinizer> >>du -x /home|sort -n
Nov 15 21:45:19 <DocScrutinizer> opt is a subdir of home
Nov 15 21:45:55 <lardman> anyone had any undefined symbol errors using PyQt4 under PR1.3?
Nov 15 21:46:23 <pupnik> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TOF_Kamera_3D_Gesicht.jpg  time-of-flight cameras measure time that light travels to subject
Nov 15 21:47:45 <pupnik> 100 fps.  fast enough to help dodge attacks
Nov 15 21:48:09 <lardman> hmm, phase shift measurement
Nov 15 21:49:04 <chupy35> DosScrutinizer http://pastie.org/1300819
Nov 15 21:51:15 <chupy35> /home/user space affect /opt space?
Nov 15 21:51:28 <korhojoa> no, it should not
Nov 15 21:52:07 <chupy35> its normal that angrybirds is about 34068 with the 3 levelpacks?
Nov 15 21:52:21 <korhojoa> i have no idea, but that doesn't seem all too large
Nov 15 21:53:07 <ds3> is there a nonOVI way of getting angrybirds?
Nov 15 21:53:08 <lardman> where did you download Angry Birds from?
Nov 15 21:53:36 <NooBmonk3y> MohammadAG, ping
Nov 15 21:53:59 <RST38h> "Your generous blood donations through Memorial Blood Centers will help save lives and fight hunger this holiday season."
Nov 15 21:54:14 <lardman> lol
Nov 15 21:55:11 <chupy35> lardman warez :P
Nov 15 21:55:39 <lardman> oh, fair enough
Nov 15 21:55:46 <lardman> why's Ovi not working now?
Nov 15 21:55:50 <NooBmonk3y> now?
Nov 15 21:56:06 <DocScrutinizer> korhojoa: sure it does. which part of <DocScrutinizer> opt is a subdir of home   was too unclear
Nov 15 21:56:45 <chupy35> but why /home has more than 2gb and opt just 2gb DosScruitinizer
Nov 15 21:57:33 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# df -h /home
Nov 15 21:57:34 <DocScrutinizer> Filesystem                Size      Used Available Use% Mounted on
Nov 15 21:57:36 <DocScrutinizer> /dev/mmcblk0p2            2.0G    487.0M      1.4G  25% /home
Nov 15 21:57:38 <korhojoa> hm?
Nov 15 21:57:52 <lardman> NooBmonk3y: I thought it worked for a while?
Nov 15 21:58:13 <korhojoa> why should /home/user space affect /opt ?
Nov 15 21:58:16 <NooBmonk3y> ;) - lol sorry, was easy picking :p
Nov 15 21:58:21 <NooBmonk3y> has worked for a while now :)
Nov 15 21:58:25 <DocScrutinizer> mount
Nov 15 21:58:31 <DocScrutinizer> /home/opt on /opt type none (bind)
Nov 15 21:58:36 <lardman> not for me
Nov 15 21:58:43 <korhojoa> ahh
Nov 15 21:58:44 <lardman> says device not recognised or similar
Nov 15 21:58:51 <korhojoa> i thought he meant mydocs
Nov 15 21:58:52 <korhojoa> sorry
Nov 15 21:58:53 <korhojoa> my bad
Nov 15 21:59:03 <chupy35> its true :O, so if i delete some preenv games my /opt will have more space?
Nov 15 21:59:34 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Nov 15 21:59:48 <DocScrutinizer> of preemt games live somewhere in /home
Nov 15 21:59:52 <DocScrutinizer> if*
Nov 15 22:00:31 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# df -h /opt
Nov 15 22:00:33 <DocScrutinizer> Filesystem                Size      Used Available Use% Mounted on
Nov 15 22:00:34 <DocScrutinizer> /dev/mmcblk0p2            2.0G    487.0M      1.4G  25% /home
Nov 15 22:02:29 <chupy35> it worked
Nov 15 22:04:26 <DocScrutinizer> of course
Nov 15 22:04:32 <chupy35> thanks DocScrutinizer
Nov 15 22:04:36 <DocScrutinizer> yw
Nov 15 22:04:40 <chupy35> now i have 430 mb
Nov 15 22:16:39 <trumee> anything interesting from meego conference today?
Nov 15 22:17:24 <chupy35> amd is contributing also
Nov 15 22:17:54 <trumee> interesting. amd and intel together!
Nov 15 22:18:05 <chupy35> kind of
Nov 15 22:21:51 <DocScrutinizer> chupy35: compare to my df -h quoted above. You still use 1000MB more than I do.
Nov 15 22:22:44 <DocScrutinizer> but anyway, with 430MB free you should still be on the green side of the fence
Nov 15 22:22:50 <chupy35> yes i have alot of trash DocScrutinizer, also 3 preenv games
Nov 15 22:26:54 <chupy35> i updated kernel power boot and i got a guru meditation, i feel pleased
Nov 15 22:27:15 <lolloo> hehe
Nov 15 22:27:33 <lardman> night chaps
Nov 15 22:44:20 <NooBmonk3y> MohammadAG,  ping
Nov 15 22:50:26 <NooBmonk3y> ~seen Venemo
Nov 15 22:50:48 <infobot> venemo <~Timur@catv-89-132-105-133.catv.broadband.hu> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 19h 53m 54s ago, saying: 'what is FHS?'.
Nov 15 22:51:01 <NooBmonk3y> Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Nov 15 22:51:06 * NooBmonk3y grins and smiles alot
Nov 15 22:55:52 <NooBmonk3y> whats the best way to connect to the n900 like winscp does in windows, but on ubuntu? (App-wise?)
Nov 15 22:57:56 <chupy35> ssh
Nov 15 22:58:10 <chupy35> NooBmonk3y ssh just use ssh
Nov 15 22:58:32 <chupy35> NooBmonk3y also you can use nautilus or dolphin to manage it graphical
Nov 15 22:59:18 <chupy35> yo create a net file and select ssh protocol
Nov 15 22:59:34 <NooBmonk3y> ooo cool
Nov 15 23:00:38 <NooBmonk3y> ty chupy
Nov 15 23:01:41 <chupy35> np
Nov 15 23:09:31 <Termana> good morning
Nov 15 23:13:36 <crashanddie_> "Warning: Your application is using 8 instances at 100%. You may exceed your quota soon."
Nov 15 23:14:39 <NooBmonk3y> lol crashanddie
Nov 15 23:14:45 <NooBmonk3y> morning Termana
Nov 15 23:23:11 <alterego> Anyone here using Qt Mobility location?
Nov 15 23:23:48 <NooBmonk3y> will be soon
Nov 15 23:23:55 <NooBmonk3y> its my next todo page on healthcheck
Nov 15 23:24:48 <alterego> I just want someone to validate that QGeoPositionInfo reports speed in metres a second because it doesn't seem to scale to miles per hour or kilometers per hour properly.
Nov 15 23:24:53 <alterego> bbiab
Nov 15 23:25:36 <NooBmonk3y> lol
Nov 15 23:25:37 <NooBmonk3y> okies
Nov 15 23:29:58 <NooBmonk3y> frals, bored?
Nov 15 23:37:58 <NooBmonk3y> damn it's quiet in here
Nov 15 23:38:17 <NooBmonk3y> no MohammadAG , no Lcuk, No Frals......
Nov 15 23:38:20 <NooBmonk3y> bacon ?
Nov 15 23:39:58 <SpeedEvil1> ?
Nov 15 23:41:20 <NooBmonk3y> ?!
Nov 15 23:42:04 <pupnik> i wonder what osso-xterm is derived from
Nov 15 23:42:10 <pupnik> xterm itself?
Nov 15 23:42:41 <pupnik> gnome-terminal maybe
Nov 15 23:46:17 <NooBmonk3y> noooooooo idea
Nov 15 23:50:04 <pigeon> http://maemo.org/packages/view/osso-xterm/
Nov 15 23:50:11 <pigeon> though the link is broken.
Nov 15 23:51:25 <pigeon> or http://web.archive.org/web/20071013203734/os-cillation.de/index.php?id=42&L=5
Nov 15 23:51:42 <pigeon> xfce-terminal, looks it.
Nov 15 23:52:58 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie_: uhuh
Nov 15 23:53:09 <crashanddie_> hmm?
Nov 15 23:53:19 <DocScrutinizer> 8 instances at 100%
Nov 15 23:53:23 <crashanddie_> yeah
Nov 15 23:53:26 <crashanddie_> GAE
Nov 15 23:53:31 <crashanddie_> trying to upload some shit
Nov 15 23:53:39 <DocScrutinizer> aaah
Nov 15 23:53:40 <crashanddie_> (just 350k entries to the datastore)
Nov 15 23:53:51 <crashanddie_> burnt through the free quota in about 2 hours
Nov 15 23:54:00 <crashanddie_> have to start all over again
Nov 15 23:59:24 <djszapi> does anybody use usb networking on maemo5 here ?
Nov 15 23:59:27 <trumee> alterego, Media IM doesnt respect the offline status.
Nov 15 23:59:39 <djszapi> ifconfig n900
Nov 15 23:59:39 <djszapi> n900: error fetching interface information: Device not found
Nov 15 23:59:50 <trumee> alterego, i confirmed that today
Nov 16 00:00:53 <trumee> alterego, Media IM pushes the device to go online even when the device is offline
Nov 16 00:08:06 <ebzzry> Good evening.
Nov 16 00:09:15 <ebzzry> Can anyone help me with this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=874289
Nov 16 00:09:45 <NooBmonk3y> evening
Nov 16 00:09:48 <NooBmonk3y> sorry haven't a clue
Nov 16 00:11:05 <alterego> ebzzry: yes, there is a way.
Nov 16 00:12:28 <ebzzry> alterego: How?
Nov 16 00:12:51 <NooBmonk3y> lol thats just teasing ;)
Nov 16 00:13:00 <ebzzry> alterego: I know that's an sqlite3 db, but whenever I try to merge them, they just won't work.
Nov 16 00:13:02 <alterego> Oh, hang on :P
Nov 16 00:13:08 <DocScrutinizer> pupnik: xfce-terminal is GPL2, so osso-xterm which says to be beased on xfce-terminal... where is the source?
Nov 16 00:13:13 <alterego> I thought knowing there was a way would be good enough for you :P
Nov 16 00:13:35 <ebzzry> alterego: =>
Nov 16 00:17:57 <pupnik> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/source/   DocScrutinizer - i don't see it
Nov 16 00:18:34 <DocScrutinizer> http://maemo.org/packages/view/osso-xterm/  me neither
Nov 16 00:19:45 <DocScrutinizer> amother instance of Nokia's true notion about FOSS?
Nov 16 00:22:00 <pupnik> i recall some complaints about this years ago and it's still closed
Nov 16 00:22:05 <pupnik> or something
Nov 16 00:22:12 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
Nov 16 00:22:34 <alterego> ebzzry: hrm, maybe I Was wrong, didn't think the .backup/.restore overwrote, thought it merged.
Nov 16 00:22:44 <nox-> o_O  whats so special about an x terminal app...
Nov 16 00:23:30 <DocScrutinizer> who knows. As long as we don't have the source...
Nov 16 00:23:53 <DocScrutinizer> maybe that's where Nokia trojan lives
Nov 16 00:23:53 <alterego> Ah, there is another way.
Nov 16 00:26:20 <alterego> ebzzry: are you about?
Nov 16 00:29:31 <DocScrutinizer> funny thing: there are even things like Applications/calculator mentioned, but no *terminal*, in http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/maemo.org/openness/pr1.1/
Nov 16 00:30:58 <Gh0sty> wth why do i get into overflow again? :/
Nov 16 00:31:21 <mc_teo> hey
Nov 16 00:31:29 <DocScrutinizer> tbh I don't care much about Applications/calculator, I'm pretty sure I can live without that or will code a replacement in 30 min. But Applications/terminal seems rather essential
Nov 16 00:31:56 <mc_teo> has anyone else noticed something like dead pixels on the top of the screen?
Nov 16 00:32:00 <mc_teo> on device
Nov 16 00:32:16 <SpeedEvil> not me
Nov 16 00:32:22 <alterego> dead pixels are unlikely to be in the same place on two different devices ;)
Nov 16 00:32:22 <DocScrutinizer> other detail that puzzles me is there's still no alternative to osso-xterm
Nov 16 00:32:28 * SpeedEvil sits on a large wooden object.
Nov 16 00:32:43 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: It's the 'it's not shit' effect.
Nov 16 00:32:48 <DocScrutinizer> Gh0sty: ##overflow?
Nov 16 00:32:51 <Gh0sty> SpeedEvil: a barrel? :p
Nov 16 00:32:55 <mc_teo> like random little black squiggles
Nov 16 00:32:56 <mc_teo> alterego: but there are not dead
Nov 16 00:32:57 <SpeedEvil> If you put in a barely good enough solution, many people won't bother fixing it.
Nov 16 00:32:59 <Gh0sty> yes i was at overflow again
Nov 16 00:33:04 <Gh0sty> 2nd time in 2 days :/
Nov 16 00:33:10 <mc_teo> they work correctly on any other screen
Nov 16 00:33:11 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, that's join-throttle
Nov 16 00:33:43 <Gh0sty> it funny that you can still see chatter though :p
Nov 16 00:33:53 <mc_teo> just the regular status one has it
Nov 16 00:33:57 <DocScrutinizer> 2 times in 2 days seems quite at the limit. Please ping me if it happens again
Nov 16 00:34:10 <mc_teo> shall i try get a screenshot?
Nov 16 00:34:16 <Gh0sty> anyhow
Nov 16 00:34:24 <Gh0sty> yesterday I fixed mine again
Nov 16 00:34:33 <SpeedEvil> mc_teo: yes - see if you can screenshot your bad pixels.
Nov 16 00:34:41 <Gh0sty> had to take out the battery and put it back in
Nov 16 00:34:42 <mc_teo> Its not bad
Nov 16 00:34:50 <Gh0sty> that fixed the led and backlight missing
Nov 16 00:34:50 <mc_teo> they work for any screen
Nov 16 00:34:58 <Gh0sty> and a new power kernel fixed most other issues
Nov 16 00:35:09 <mc_teo> except this one
Nov 16 00:35:14 <DocScrutinizer> Gh0sty: might be caused by conference, where a lot of users of this chan are on same uplink. If it comes up again after a downtime, then throttling might kick in easily
Nov 16 00:35:23 <Gh0sty> previous power kernel showed artifacts on my screen :x
Nov 16 00:35:46 <Gh0sty> not on the home screens but when you entered a menu
Nov 16 00:36:20 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: ack. But still... osso-xterm seems closed
Nov 16 00:36:21 <Gh0sty> the power menu didnt even show I had to guess where "switch off" was :p
Nov 16 00:36:37 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: and violating GPL
Nov 16 00:36:58 <mc_teo> yes
Nov 16 00:37:07 <mc_teo> they are in the screenshot
Nov 16 00:37:12 <Gh0sty> is there already a programm which can execute stuff based on cell tower location? :p
Nov 16 00:38:19 <nox-> i think ive seen some `alarm when reaching cell' thing
Nov 16 00:38:26 <Gh0sty> and yesterday the small metal bit from the stand came loose :(
Nov 16 00:38:36 <nox-> (i guess for ppl sleeping on trains?)
Nov 16 00:38:47 <Gh0sty> LOL :P
Nov 16 00:38:56 <Gh0sty> nice feature but not exactly what I wanted :p
Nov 16 00:39:08 <Gh0sty> in fact rather the opposite
Nov 16 00:39:36 <Gh0sty> when I'm at the cinema (define that cell once) it should put it in silent mode :p
Nov 16 00:39:42 <Gh0sty> stuff like that
Nov 16 00:40:19 <ebzzry> alterego: so, still teasing?
Nov 16 00:40:19 <mc_teo> http://i56.tinypic.com/28cprpe.png
Nov 16 00:40:20 <nox-> well i havent installed it, maybe it can be hacked
Nov 16 00:40:22 <alterego> ebzzry, unfortunately it's not trivial.
Nov 16 00:40:33 <mc_teo> see?
Nov 16 00:40:52 <alterego> ebzzry: It's possible, but the backups can't contain duplicates.
Nov 16 00:40:53 <mc_teo> black squiggles on the status bar
Nov 16 00:40:54 <Gh0sty> would be fun if it could be combined with alarmed ... so if I am at home and time is 22h put it in offline mode, if I'm not at home leave it on ...
Nov 16 00:41:01 <mc_teo> cant be dead if shown on a screenshot
Nov 16 00:41:38 <DocScrutinizer> nox-: Gh0sty: there should be such a thing like "set profile based on location <bool-operator> <arbitrary other sensor or state>"
Nov 16 00:43:03 <mc_teo> so have you every seen anything like those marks?
Nov 16 00:43:04 <DocScrutinizer> there's been DWIW or what it's been called, which aimed at that
Nov 16 00:43:05 <mc_teo> http://i56.tinypic.com/28cprpe.png
Nov 16 00:43:15 <DocScrutinizer> dwim?
Nov 16 00:43:25 <DocScrutinizer> do-what-i-mean?
Nov 16 00:43:46 <Gh0sty> but anyway need to reinstall the n900 emulator again
Nov 16 00:43:59 <Gh0sty> reinstalled machine on SSD drive ... its crazy fast now :)
Nov 16 00:44:08 <DocScrutinizer> #dwimd
Nov 16 00:45:00 <DocScrutinizer> „dwimd - the environment sensing gestalt optimizer for the n900 - http://hg.alexanderweb.de/dwimd-main/“.
Nov 16 00:46:37 <Gh0sty> lol
Nov 16 00:46:45 <Gh0sty> even the orientation of the phone :p
Nov 16 00:48:16 <ebzzry> alterego: Yes, the backup doesn't contain duplicates
Nov 16 00:50:00 <DocScrutinizer> damn, he's gone
Nov 16 00:50:15 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: joining contacts?
Nov 16 00:51:03 <DocScrutinizer> joining contacts is easy: import vcard
Nov 16 00:51:15 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: im messages :P
Nov 16 00:51:22 <DocScrutinizer> ooh
Nov 16 00:51:45 <alterego> Well, basically el-v1.db
Nov 16 00:53:02 <alterego> Heh, I was about to say I'll reply to his tmo post tomorrow, but I'm going to bed now.
Nov 16 00:53:14 <alterego> I've gota solution but it'll take a few minutes to put together.
Nov 16 00:53:21 <alterego> Later folks
Nov 16 00:56:00 <Gh0sty> hmm actually now that it happens again
Nov 16 00:56:15 <mc_teo> http://i56.tinypic.com/28cprpe.png
Nov 16 00:56:17 <mc_teo> so have you every seen anything like those marks?
Nov 16 00:56:21 <Gh0sty> is there an easy way to prevent my phone checking for updates over gprs?
Nov 16 00:56:24 <Gh0sty> only do it over wifi
Nov 16 00:56:53 <Gh0sty> or disable it completely and only trigger it manually
Nov 16 00:58:09 <DocScrutinizer> see personalizing-maemo wiki page
Nov 16 00:58:47 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check
Nov 16 00:59:35 <DocScrutinizer> iirc there's also been a key to define which networks to use for updates
Nov 16 00:59:53 <ptl> ~pr1.3
Nov 16 00:59:53 <infobot> hmm... pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update
Nov 16 01:01:13 * panda|x201 looking for qole again ...
Nov 16 01:01:26 <panda|x201> Jaffa, around?
Nov 16 01:06:09 <Gh0sty> is there a difference between offline mode and tablet mode? :/
Nov 16 01:06:39 <Gh0sty> as far as i can see tablet mode still alows you to connect to wifi while offline does not
Nov 16 01:07:12 <Gh0sty> but there isn't a way to switch to tablet mode for example with alarmed :/
Nov 16 01:08:01 <nox-> Gh0sty, at least you can tell it to ask before connecting to cell ip
Nov 16 01:08:47 <Gh0sty> yes thats what I have
Nov 16 01:08:52 <pupnik> “I’ve noticed lately that the paranoid fear of computers becoming intelligent and taking over the world has almost entirely disappeared from the common culture.  Near as I can tell, this coincides with the release of MS-DOS.”  - Larry DeLuca
Nov 16 01:09:22 <nox-> haha pupnik
Nov 16 01:09:26 <ptl> post hoc ergo propter hoc
Nov 16 01:09:28 <Gh0sty> but its a bit slow when you only have 2g reception, quickly want to look something up but in the mean time it's also fetching the catalogs i guess ...
Nov 16 01:12:25 <Gh0sty> how to see whats behind a menu button? wonder what command that tablet mode button actually executes :p
Nov 16 01:12:48 <SpeedEvil> strace
Nov 16 01:13:10 <Gh0sty> lol ok :p
Nov 16 01:13:13 <FauxFaux> Worst idea ever. :p
Nov 16 01:13:33 <Gh0sty> thats shooting a fly with a canon as usual :p
Nov 16 01:14:23 <DocScrutinizer> nuke the fly!
Nov 16 01:15:24 <DocScrutinizer> for profile switching: see dbus cmds
Nov 16 01:15:38 <DocScrutinizer> for tablet mode: see dbus cmds?
Nov 16 01:17:19 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-switch-profile
Nov 16 01:17:47 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-switch-to-offline-mode
Nov 16 01:18:25 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-disconnect-net ?
Nov 16 01:21:49 <mc_teo> http://i56.tinypic.com/28cprpe.png
Nov 16 01:21:51 <mc_teo> so have you every seen anything like those marks?
Nov 16 01:23:28 <nox-> which marks
Nov 16 01:23:29 <nox-> ?
Nov 16 01:23:45 <mc_teo> the black ones
Nov 16 01:24:02 <mc_teo> in the titlebar/status bar of the screenshot
Nov 16 01:25:07 <mc_teo> anyways, im off now
Nov 16 01:26:42 <nox-> oh they're difficult to see
Nov 16 01:26:49 * nox- no idea anyway
Nov 16 01:28:19 <pupnik> “There’s an old story about the person who wished his computer were as easy to use as his telephone.  That wish has come true, since I no longer know how to use my telephone.”  (Bjarne Stroustrup)
Nov 16 01:30:44 <nox-> rofl
Nov 16 01:32:17 <toresbe> misquote; it's originally "I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone."
Nov 16 01:32:30 <toresbe> Enter the quote nazi!
Nov 16 01:34:56 <Gh0sty> <callback service="com.nokia.phone.SSC" path="/com/nokia/phone/SSC" interface="com.nokia.phone.SSC" method="set_radio" bus="system" autostart="true">
Nov 16 01:35:00 <Gh0sty> <argument type="boolean">false</argument>
Nov 16 01:35:00 <DocScrutinizer> nox-: mc-teo: looks like video ram dropouts
Nov 16 01:35:22 <Gh0sty> so thats another dbus call
Nov 16 01:35:30 <DocScrutinizer> SCNR - a typical symptom of OC
Nov 16 01:35:43 <nox-> oh
Nov 16 01:36:12 <DocScrutinizer> of course can happen completely unrelated to OC
Nov 16 01:37:07 <DocScrutinizer> but the class of error is the one you'd expect for chip burnouts caused by OC anyway
Nov 16 01:40:58 <DocScrutinizer> Gh0sty: :nod:
Nov 16 01:43:46 <Gh0sty> dbus-send can only be done as root? :/
Nov 16 01:43:54 <Gh0sty> dbus-send --system --dest=com.nokia.phone.SSC /com/nokia/phone/SSC com.nokia.phone.SSC.set_radio boolean:false
Nov 16 01:47:38 <DocScrutinizer> Gh0sty: for system bus yes
Nov 16 01:47:42 <DocScrutinizer> I guess
Nov 16 01:47:48 <DocScrutinizer> nah, nonsense
Nov 16 01:47:51 <Gh0sty> does not look like it's working
Nov 16 01:48:17 <DocScrutinizer> that doesn't work
Nov 16 01:48:25 <DocScrutinizer> incorrect syntax, no?
Nov 16 01:49:03 <Gh0sty> it was just a guess based on the xml line above which I got from the package ... :p
Nov 16 01:49:20 <DocScrutinizer> compare arbitrary other cmd:
Nov 16 01:49:23 <DocScrutinizer> dbus-send --session --dest=com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr --type=method_call /com/nokia/HildonDesktop/AppMgr com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr.LaunchApplication string:MyApp
Nov 16 01:50:19 <Gh0sty> not really familiar with dbus :x
Nov 16 01:50:26 <DocScrutinizer> me neither
Nov 16 01:50:53 <pupnik> ahh svn checkout https://vcs.maemo.org/svn/osso-xterm
Nov 16 01:50:53 <DocScrutinizer> but I know it's a PITA to repeat dest, add, and method, for no obvious reason
Nov 16 01:51:04 <DocScrutinizer> haha
Nov 16 01:51:27 <DocScrutinizer> addr*
Nov 16 01:52:46 <DocScrutinizer> yeah those svn pages look smart in a html browser
Nov 16 01:54:27 <Gh0sty> think i got it :p
Nov 16 01:54:37 <DocScrutinizer> you *think*?
Nov 16 01:54:39 <Gh0sty> yes :)
Nov 16 01:54:51 <Gh0sty> just checking first :p
Nov 16 01:54:54 <DocScrutinizer> doesn't it clearly show in system area?
Nov 16 01:55:08 <Gh0sty> dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.phone.SSC /com/nokia/phone/SSC com.nokia.phone.SSC.set_radio boolean:false
Nov 16 01:55:11 <Gh0sty> like this
Nov 16 01:55:25 <DocScrutinizer> this is offline
Nov 16 01:55:26 <DocScrutinizer> ?
Nov 16 01:55:33 <DocScrutinizer> GSM offline
Nov 16 01:55:35 <Gh0sty> this is tablet mode
Nov 16 01:55:45 <Gh0sty> not 100% the same as offline :p
Nov 16 01:55:48 <DocScrutinizer> not really, this is GSM off
Nov 16 01:56:09 <Gh0sty> it does not ask you to go online when you want to enable wifi
Nov 16 01:56:12 <DocScrutinizer> if wlan isn't activated, then this call will not do that for you
Nov 16 01:56:38 <Gh0sty> ?
Nov 16 01:56:41 <DocScrutinizer> what's with calls?
Nov 16 01:57:14 <Gh0sty> I want to put my n900 in tablet mode during the evening/night
Nov 16 01:57:24 <DocScrutinizer> I know
Nov 16 01:57:26 <Gh0sty> but might be that I pick it to do some surfing :p
Nov 16 01:57:33 <DocScrutinizer> that's not been my question though
Nov 16 01:57:46 <Gh0sty> i dont quite understand your question then :p
Nov 16 01:57:58 <DocScrutinizer> can you still make phonecalls?
Nov 16 01:58:22 <Gh0sty> when you go into phone mode again ...
Nov 16 01:58:25 <DocScrutinizer> my guess: no
Nov 16 01:59:06 <DocScrutinizer> :nod: so this command switches off phone+GPRS
Nov 16 01:59:17 <Gh0sty> yes
Nov 16 01:59:20 <DocScrutinizer> but it doesn't change whatever the state of WIFI
Nov 16 01:59:28 <Gh0sty> ah yes
Nov 16 01:59:47 <Gh0sty> but for that I got autodisconnect :p
Nov 16 02:00:06 <DocScrutinizer> sure, but I like to add it to wiki
Nov 16 02:00:14 <Gh0sty> for my purpose it's what I want
Nov 16 02:00:14 <DocScrutinizer> and that should be precise
Nov 16 02:00:37 <Gh0sty> I want phone disconnected from gsm + gprs but still in tablet mode (wifi) possible
Nov 16 02:00:56 <Gh0sty> so lets see
Nov 16 02:01:14 * Gh0sty turns on wifi 
Nov 16 02:01:40 <Gh0sty> run my script
Nov 16 02:01:45 <Gh0sty> and the wifi is still there
Nov 16 02:01:47 <Gh0sty> good :)
Nov 16 02:05:18 <Gh0sty> anyway time for some sleep
Nov 16 02:05:53 <Gh0sty> g'nite and thx DocScrutinizer :)
Nov 16 02:06:05 <DocScrutinizer> n8 & yw
Nov 16 02:12:47 <nox-> stupid q: how do you record video on n900?
Nov 16 02:13:26 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
Nov 16 02:13:31 <DocScrutinizer> from main cam?
Nov 16 02:13:36 <nox-> yeah
Nov 16 02:13:50 <DocScrutinizer> mode in still cam (usually "A")
Nov 16 02:13:55 <nox-> ah
Nov 16 02:14:02 <nox-> std cam app
Nov 16 02:14:03 <nox-> ?
Nov 16 02:14:07 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Nov 16 02:14:10 <nox-> ok
Nov 16 02:14:43 <DocScrutinizer> I always found this a really suboptimal UI
Nov 16 02:15:04 <DocScrutinizer> I'd prefer two dedicated icons to start up in either still or video mode
Nov 16 02:15:10 <nox-> *nod*
Nov 16 02:17:06 <DocScrutinizer> also, on opening lens slider, video should start immediately (reporter mode). If you don't "start the recording with trigger button, then the recorded video can get deleted on slider close
Nov 16 02:17:24 <pupnik> nice one
Nov 16 02:17:24 <nox-> mh
Nov 16 02:18:40 <nox-> and since you asked, how would you use the front cam?
Nov 16 02:19:34 <SpeedEvil> Open shutter, pointed down, flashlight goes on.
Nov 16 02:19:46 <DocScrutinizer> so, on slider open: start audio/video recording, depending on ALS start flashlight, open up a menu with three buttons for "video", "still cam", flashlight to select.
Nov 16 02:20:06 <pupnik> this osso-xterm is current https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/osso-xterm/?root=osso-xterm  0.14.mh24?
Nov 16 02:20:08 <DocScrutinizer> err, mirror?
Nov 16 02:20:19 <Arkenoi> four buttons: mbarcode
Nov 16 02:20:29 <DocScrutinizer> Arkenoi: ACK!!!
Nov 16 02:20:38 <nox-> :)
Nov 16 02:21:10 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: good option
Nov 16 02:22:27 <Choom> is there a way to capture audio any higher level than ALSA in maemon?
Nov 16 02:22:28 <DocScrutinizer> of course all this needs a wrench icon to open up a config dialog
Nov 16 02:22:40 <Choom> hopefully one that could be easily ported to meego in the future
Nov 16 02:23:04 <DocScrutinizer> *cough*
Nov 16 02:23:35 <Choom> s/n//
Nov 16 02:23:36 <infobot> Choom meant: hopefully oe that could be easily ported to meego in the future
Nov 16 02:24:03 <Choom> omg
Nov 16 02:24:10 <Choom> it corrected the wrong line :P
Nov 16 02:24:18 <Choom> and I was unaware of this feature
Nov 16 02:24:24 <DocScrutinizer> :-P
Nov 16 02:25:14 <DocScrutinizer> Choom: I *guess* you should search the wiki and other source of info for keyword 'mafw'
Nov 16 02:25:25 <Choom> ok, thanks
Nov 16 02:26:52 <DocScrutinizer> possibly source of recaller also has some inspiration for you
Nov 16 02:27:10 <DocScrutinizer> or was it recall?
Nov 16 02:27:49 <DocScrutinizer> "recall means REcord ALL" :-D
Nov 16 02:27:58 <Choom> great
Nov 16 02:29:22 <Choom> it's recaller
Nov 16 02:31:17 <DocScrutinizer> nocfront cam is video1, main is video0, or other way round
Nov 16 02:31:23 <DocScrutinizer> nox-:
Nov 16 02:32:25 <nox-> ah so you need custom code?  (ffmpeg?)
Nov 16 02:32:30 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Nov 16 02:32:39 <nox-> i c
Nov 16 02:32:43 <DocScrutinizer> or you rename the cams :-P
Nov 16 02:32:48 <nox-> hah
Nov 16 02:33:08 <DocScrutinizer> nox-: do a ps
Nov 16 02:33:18 <DocScrutinizer> grep cam
Nov 16 02:33:38 * nox- has to symlink his /dev/dvb/adapter{8,9} to 1 and 2 so that vdr would find them...
Nov 16 02:33:56 <nox-> (not on maemo tho :)
Nov 16 02:34:17 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
Nov 16 02:34:22 <DocScrutinizer> same idea
Nov 16 02:34:49 <pupnik> wonder if 'inz' is still around
Nov 16 02:35:01 <pupnik> good friends we had, good friends we've lost...
Nov 16 02:35:01 <DocScrutinizer> inz?
Nov 16 02:35:36 <DocScrutinizer> nox-: main and front cam are muxed, so mutually exclusive
Nov 16 02:36:02 <pupnik> http://inz.fi/blog/category/geeky/maemo/maemo-hackers/osso-xterm/
Nov 16 02:36:20 <pupnik> good grief, 770 was 5 years ago
Nov 16 02:38:07 <pupnik> who else remembers tigert
Nov 16 02:39:02 <nox-> thx DocScrutinizer
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