**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 16 02:59:58 2010 Nov 16 03:57:37 so whats the status of kernel-power now, is 45 ok to use again? will it break fcam? Nov 16 03:57:59 do you like fire? Nov 16 03:59:35 haha well im not after the oc featueres, more kismet and saner charging Nov 16 04:02:35 heh Nov 16 04:02:50 I don't know it's current status Nov 16 04:05:23 yeah ok Nov 16 04:08:04 i wnat a grand-unified-kernel with wifi injection.... Nov 16 04:08:19 but that cant be made into reality :( Nov 16 04:10:26 want, want, want Nov 16 04:12:59 people are not ready for work yet? Nov 16 04:13:00 lol Nov 16 04:13:13 or just late from party, heh Nov 16 04:13:51 apt-get install girls or in meego 'yum yummy mmmm girls' Nov 16 04:21:28 Do meego use yum? :( Nov 16 04:21:49 lolcat: yes, or zypper Nov 16 04:21:57 I think they are leaning towards zypper lately Nov 16 04:22:02 I like apt-get... Nov 16 04:22:39 indeed Nov 16 04:25:18 when will it be decided? Nov 16 04:25:27 Is it based on something else? Nov 16 04:25:29 must be an important choice? Nov 16 04:25:47 fredrin: I think you can use both together just fine Nov 16 04:26:09 lolcat: is what based on something else? Nov 16 04:26:24 good Nov 16 04:30:19 jpwhiting: Megoo Nov 16 04:30:22 meego Nov 16 04:30:57 lolcat: meego is based on lots of things, linux, X, rpm, etc. etc. Nov 16 04:31:19 Qt Nov 16 04:35:27 I hate rpm Nov 16 04:38:09 I hate apt-bla Nov 16 04:38:23 dpkg Nov 16 04:38:49 jeje, old man, make install ftw Nov 16 04:38:53 :P Nov 16 04:38:54 not really Nov 16 04:39:00 i like clicking Nov 16 04:39:13 i liked deb until i packaged some debs Nov 16 04:39:14 or just touching Nov 16 04:39:17 then i stopped liking it Nov 16 04:39:26 and now it will hold a special place in hell for me Nov 16 04:40:20 faster and easier is a pluss Nov 16 04:40:26 K.I.S.S. Nov 16 04:41:00 of what? fast and simple like HAM? Nov 16 04:43:28 Hey all. Can anyone send me a copy of the PR1.2+ ARM libc6 deb package? I sort of screwed my system up, but I think I can recover it Nov 16 04:45:19 wouldn't even know where to find that Nov 16 04:46:44 Um... "apt-get install --reinstall libc6", then grab it out of /opt/var/cache/apt/ ? Nov 16 04:47:52 that would upgrade it… Nov 16 04:48:06 To what? The current version. Nov 16 04:48:14 Which everyone should already have... Nov 16 04:49:20 hah Nov 16 04:50:41 RobbieThe1st: one sec Nov 16 04:51:23 http://tehintereb.com/libc6_2.5.1-1eglibc27+0m5_armel.deb should work Nov 16 04:51:48 err, minus my typo Nov 16 04:51:50 http://tehintereb.com/libc6_2.5.1-1eglibc27+0m5_armel.deb Nov 16 04:51:56 fuck Nov 16 04:51:57 heh Nov 16 04:51:59 much too happy with my pr1.2 performance and much too much work done until I got there, to reflash for a PR1.3 that doesn't fix anything for me Nov 16 04:52:08 http://tehinterweb.com/libc6_2.5.1-1eglibc27+0m5_armel.deb Nov 16 04:52:49 Eh, I found that PR1.3 doesn't do much at all - heck, the libc6 versions the same; most everything is Nov 16 04:52:51 pr1.3 fixed stuff for me... it now lets me use qaudioinput to do something that pr1.2 didn't Nov 16 04:53:06 And until yesterday, I was running a PR1.2 kernel, so.. Nov 16 04:53:18 TY ieatlint Nov 16 04:53:30 oh, and for gpl purposes, you are not allowed to download that link :P Nov 16 04:54:21 uhuh Nov 16 04:57:04 *sigh*, Thanks a lot. That makes me so much happier, knowing that I can safely reboot. Nov 16 04:57:52 (I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't have rebooted with half of libc6 missing) Nov 16 04:58:03 one thing's for sure. I fixed things in 1.2 that will break again when I upgrade Nov 16 04:59:25 RobbieThe1st: PR1.3 Nov 16 04:59:28 DocScrutinizer51: Why not just upgrade certain packages/package sets, leaving the ones you messed with? It'd probably work, and if you keep a proper OS-image backup, you could always restore Nov 16 04:59:32 ifconfig n900 -> n900: error fetching interface information: Device not found Nov 16 04:59:36 nay idea ? Nov 16 04:59:52 djszapi: Just type "ifconfig" Nov 16 05:00:15 RobbieThe1st: there is no such thing as a proper OS-image backup for Maemo Nov 16 05:00:27 RobbieThe1st: and ? Nov 16 05:00:29 Yup, there is. I wrote it - BackupMenu Nov 16 05:00:35 RobbieThe1st: restore is exctly one of the missing options keeping me from messing with 1.3 Nov 16 05:00:40 n900 is not there. Nov 16 05:00:47 so dunno what the problem is Nov 16 05:00:58 djszapi: wait, what are you trying to do? Nov 16 05:00:59 RobbieThe1st: sorry. I don't trust random people's backup apps Nov 16 05:01:08 RobbieThe1st: usb network Nov 16 05:01:14 djszapi: if you're on a PC trying to view the USB net, it's usually called usb0 Nov 16 05:01:15 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking Nov 16 05:01:34 luke-jr: ofc nope, read the documentation... Nov 16 05:01:47 RobbieThe1st: I don't trust in backup menu Nov 16 05:02:22 djszapi: I've been using usbnet since before there was documentation Nov 16 05:02:26 You can always try it, or read the code and determine yourself if it's acceptable, or just backup via rsync Nov 16 05:02:32 djszapi: before Nokia released 770, even Nov 16 05:02:53 RobbieThe1st: backup via rsync isn't a proper OS image Nov 16 05:03:04 ~usbhost Nov 16 05:03:05 [usbhost] http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host Nov 16 05:03:16 ~hostmode Nov 16 05:03:17 well, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=869527#post869527 Nov 16 05:03:17 RobbieThe1st: it seems it took 3 months or longer until I shouted loud enough so NAND issue got public notice and action Nov 16 05:03:45 ~wiki Nov 16 05:03:57 ~fxo Nov 16 05:03:57 [fxo] foreign exchange office - type of port you need to connect a POTS (Plain Old Telephone Service) line from your telco to a pbx. This is the type of port found on phone or fax machine devices. See also: http://www.digium.com/index.php?menu=fxsvfxo Nov 16 05:04:06 and fofr the trying ... :-P Nov 16 05:04:08 sorry, I was frozen Nov 16 05:04:18 what happened since my last post with 'djszapi'. Nov 16 05:04:28 [23:55:49] djszapi: I've been using usbnet since before there was documentation Nov 16 05:04:30 sure I can try, to find it ruined my system Nov 16 05:04:30 [23:55:59] djszapi: before Nokia released 770, even Nov 16 05:04:35 ~fxs Nov 16 05:04:36 [fxs] foreign exchange station - type of port you need to connect an analog device (phone, fax machine) to a pbx. This is the type of port found in your wall jack. Nov 16 05:04:48 luke-jr: how can I make it work then ? Nov 16 05:04:55 djszapi|work: configure usb0 Nov 16 05:05:04 I have just followed the instructions in the documentation (official) Nov 16 05:05:09 configure what ? Nov 16 05:05:19 ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 Nov 16 05:05:29 that is not enough Nov 16 05:05:29 then on the other end: ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 Nov 16 05:05:30 DocScrutinizer51: All that means is that the community isn't entirely in one place. I don't watch the mailing list, so I didn't know until I got emailed. Either way though, you can always just sort through the code yourself - I'd love a second opinion and or fixes. Nov 16 05:05:33 I have already tried it out Nov 16 05:06:14 djszapi|work: WORKS FOR ME Nov 16 05:06:42 it does not help for me at all, if you keep saying it... Nov 16 05:06:51 Y'know, I'd use 192.168.2.1 and 192.168.2.2 - some home networks use 192.168.0 or 192.168.1 Nov 16 05:07:00 root /home/djszapi # ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 root /home/djszapi # -> there is no internet connection on the target device. Nov 16 05:07:09 so I cannot install an ssh server. Nov 16 05:07:54 djszapi|work: Wait, why not? Download ssh-server .deb package(and dependancies), copy them over via USB mode... Nov 16 05:08:08 using 192.168.2.x for N900 IP for sure was a rather poor decision Nov 16 05:08:43 djszapi|work: it's a network connection. nothing more. Nov 16 05:08:50 djszapi|work: point A to point B Nov 16 05:08:52 what do you mean ? Nov 16 05:09:10 documentation writes: "You can browse on the internet after this operation" Nov 16 05:09:10 if you want point A to point B to point C, you need point B to do some kind of proxying Nov 16 05:09:30 perhaps throw usb0 into a bridge with your ethernet card Nov 16 05:09:39 brctl addbr lan0 Nov 16 05:09:42 brctl addif lan0 eth0 Nov 16 05:09:44 brctl addif lan0 usb0 Nov 16 05:09:54 (then reconfigure lan0 for your LAN IP and stuff) Nov 16 05:09:56 nothing like that is written in the documentation. Nov 16 05:10:03 actually 192.168.[0-4,100, 150..200] all seem bad subnet masks for general purpose Nov 16 05:10:15 who cares about the documentation Nov 16 05:10:19 djszapi|work: Documentation is not infalible Nov 16 05:10:24 I do not care about what you write. Nov 16 05:10:25 Especially around here Nov 16 05:10:25 it exists for printing and slamming on n00b's heads Nov 16 05:10:30 ofc I prefer the official documentation. Nov 16 05:10:41 … Nov 16 05:10:45 wiki isn't official anything Nov 16 05:11:03 I could delete that page on a whim Nov 16 05:11:09 djszapi|work: If you won't let people -here- help you, you might as well keep whining. Nov 16 05:11:21 RobbieThe1st: don't encourage teh whining Nov 16 05:11:26 it is not a help at all. Nov 16 05:11:47 * luke-jr slams a 1 ton box of printed wiki articles on djszapi|work's fingers. Nov 16 05:12:02 Sorry, that didn't come out how I wanted it, but I'm trying not to insult anyone Nov 16 05:12:07 he practically did not say anything useful. Nov 16 05:12:12 Yes, he did Nov 16 05:13:56 where can I find this debian ssh server file ? Nov 16 05:14:17 there is maemo 5 currently on the n900, but I would like to replace it for meego, I need an ssh connection. Nov 16 05:14:36 First off, it's not ready to be replaced. Nov 16 05:14:51 try to focus for the question pls. Nov 16 05:14:58 I think you -might- be able to make phone calls, but things aren't ready for even alpha. Nov 16 05:15:11 ^^^ Nov 16 05:15:56 OFFICIAL docs??? o.O Nov 16 05:16:09 http://maemo.org/packages/view/openssh-server/ Nov 16 05:16:58 People here wrote large slices of the wiki. Nov 16 05:17:28 ~tell djszapi|work about question Nov 16 05:17:59 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/openssh-server/5.1p1-6.maemo5/ -> I do not see any download link here. Nov 16 05:18:18 DocScrutinizer: welcome to my ignore list Nov 16 05:20:02 Thanks Nov 16 05:20:11 yw Nov 16 05:20:19 take pleasure in the fact that guy is going to be bricking his phone shortly Nov 16 05:20:32 sure Nov 16 05:20:44 Too bad I don't have enough money to pick it up at half-price off Ebay in a couple weeks Nov 16 05:21:00 it's more of a relief he might not come back whining about it Nov 16 05:22:44 oh hey, the uboot image to allow dual booting was released for the n900... i clearly haven't been paying enough attention lately Nov 16 05:23:34 * nox- was too lazy to mess with usb networking and setup wifi here just for the n900... :) Nov 16 05:24:03 ieatlint: even comes prepackaged with powerkernel now, aiui Nov 16 05:24:15 oh? Nov 16 05:24:30 exciting... now i just need to find a big enough spare microsd or clear off the one on my device Nov 16 05:26:05 bbl Nov 16 05:26:10 o/ Nov 16 05:32:13 I'm going to be making a short video to stick up on Youtube showing how to flash your n900 using a Ubuntu LiveCD. Any thoughts or suggestions, guys? Nov 16 05:33:00 Put Queen - Flash in the background. Nov 16 05:33:54 * nox- imagines the following `this video is not available in your country, contains content from $foo'... :/ Nov 16 05:34:05 lol Nov 16 05:34:14 just typing what nox- wrote Nov 16 05:35:18 pupnik, you seen the sony ad where they got censored themselves? :) Nov 16 05:35:26 no Nov 16 05:35:41 http://www.youtube.com/braviainmotionde Nov 16 05:38:43 anyway its a nice idea RobbieThe1st, might help the windows addicts Nov 16 05:38:53 Sorta what I was thinking Nov 16 05:39:48 god gracious, that dude was the betatester of yesterday. Now he's talking with his boss at Nokia about me kicking him. Alas he thinks he has to tell me about in /query Nov 16 05:40:28 o_O Nov 16 05:41:17 I think we can all agree that you did the right thing Nov 16 05:41:24 lol Nov 16 05:42:33 i can assume it Nov 16 05:42:43 i guess its true tho usb notworking could be more `userfriendly'... Nov 16 05:42:53 sure Nov 16 05:43:11 i guess thats all he was upset about Nov 16 05:44:22 nah, read backscroll. He claimed he got no helpful advice here and insisted same time the wiki is right while we (who wrote the wiki) are wrong Nov 16 05:44:46 mh Nov 16 05:44:49 and he seriously had to rething his expectations Nov 16 05:44:58 rethink Nov 16 05:46:06 khertan Nov 16 05:46:20 oups ... this isn't the search field :) Nov 16 05:46:22 lol, i just had an ubuntu vm in virtualbox eat itself... while doing an apt-get install of the meego sdk, it managed to destroy its partition table Nov 16 05:46:31 haha Nov 16 05:46:36 whut :) Nov 16 05:47:10 yeah, no clue Nov 16 05:47:15 ieatlint: i destroy my ubuntu partition table with an apt-get install too ... but not in a vm, and not with meego sdk Nov 16 05:47:18 less luck Nov 16 05:47:30 Khertan_, also meego sdk? Nov 16 05:47:37 it just suddenly errored mid-download (hadn't started installing, so it wasn't a meego issue) saying readonly fs Nov 16 05:47:47 then froze, and now won't boot, saying it can't find a partition table Nov 16 05:47:55 crazy Nov 16 05:48:07 yeah, good thing i don't care... i just set up the vm for this purpose, so whatever Nov 16 05:48:36 i'm thinking it was the vbox guest additions Nov 16 05:49:05 it would be nice if we didn't have to dork around to get a VM-based testbed Nov 16 05:49:07 i see a kernel trace before it fails to find the partition table Nov 16 05:49:41 cuts it off though, can't read it all :( Nov 16 05:51:46 and yeah, they obfuscated it with the 1.1 sdk. the 1.0 sdk was just a chroot, now it's "you must install through apt, yum or zypper" ... thanks Nov 16 05:52:17 and previously (two week before ... i did an apt-get upgrade ... and oh ... a libc update.... grrrrr) Nov 16 05:52:17 now i use debian and stable debian lenny repository (no more ubuntu) Nov 16 05:56:28 Oh, gees. If that guy was a Nokia tester, no wonder Nokia's so screwed up Nov 16 05:57:28 anyway im off Nov 16 05:58:37 cu nox-- Nov 16 06:02:58 DocScrutinizer: what should i search backlog for to find yesterdays "betatester"? :P Nov 16 06:03:31 I think NDA or his nick would do Nov 16 06:04:21 what was his nick? Nov 16 06:06:03 you got no 50 lines backscroll? Nov 16 06:06:20 ^^^ Nov 16 06:06:49 somehow managed to miss it, ty Nov 16 06:07:42 yw Nov 16 06:08:49 RobbieThe1st: I think I said an almost identical sentence yesterday :-D Nov 16 06:12:44 funny detail, he tells me I made it on his ignore list (as I dared to ask infobot to tell him about ~question), then he queries me and threatens me he'll talk to his boss about me, just to finally tell me I shouldn't bother to answer anymore, as he now puts me on his ignore list "forever!!" - what a luser Nov 16 06:12:58 Yes. Nov 16 06:13:05 where "finally" is 10 minutes after Nov 16 06:13:13 oh shit, he's going to talk to his boss Nov 16 06:13:26 oh shit, I'm scared to death Nov 16 06:13:29 I'm helping him... Oh, man. He's having trouble with USB Mass Storage mode. Nov 16 06:14:06 i feel sorry for his co-workers and boss Nov 16 06:14:15 yeah Nov 16 06:14:42 at least hes not connecting from a nokia host ;o Nov 16 06:14:44 I reminded him about irclog and he should tell his boss where to find it Nov 16 06:14:57 morning Nov 16 06:15:06 morning Nov 16 06:15:11 hi Doc Nov 16 06:15:31 apparently he works for symbio Nov 16 06:15:35 if a nokia beta testers can't figure out how to install sshd on maemo, then... heh Nov 16 06:15:42 well, i hear nokia is laying off some people Nov 16 06:15:58 hello Nov 16 06:15:59 guess who's next :-P Nov 16 06:16:15 so when is pr2.0 due out? :) Nov 16 06:16:19 regardless, if he had trouble setting up usbnetworking hes going to enjoy meego for sure ;o Nov 16 06:16:23 HAHAHA Nov 16 06:16:23 * Macer hides Nov 16 06:16:28 ~pr2.0 Nov 16 06:16:34 knew it Nov 16 06:16:40 :) Nov 16 06:16:42 Macer: it's already out Nov 16 06:16:45 and it's AWESOME Nov 16 06:16:58 i wouldn't have put that in caps otherwise Nov 16 06:17:10 :O Wow! Nov 16 06:17:30 well. n900 vid chats. not too many other phones that do that Nov 16 06:17:41 the evo does according to the commercials Nov 16 06:17:45 I just installed PR2.0, and they finally fixed things! They magically added an extra 250mb of ram! *gasp* Nov 16 06:18:09 RobbieThe1st: didn't they do that to begin with? Nov 16 06:18:26 * lardman just wants a digital compass Nov 16 06:18:36 ? You mean swap? Nov 16 06:18:41 with the swap that they were counting as ram Nov 16 06:18:45 yah Nov 16 06:19:16 Yea, kinda sad actually. True, it is -technically- counted as ram by the OS as in applications can use it... but Nov 16 06:19:26 you know what tho. DocScrutinizer was right a while back where he says the n900 does everything he needs Nov 16 06:19:35 Give me 512mb of real ram, and I'd be extremely happy Nov 16 06:19:38 it really does what i need it to do Nov 16 06:19:50 just wish maemo wasnt dumped Nov 16 06:19:57 ^^ Nov 16 06:20:16 Maemo > MeeGo. .deb > .rpm Nov 16 06:20:18 I see no problem with that, Meego should be similar and at least it will be actively developed Nov 16 06:20:33 lardman: once they really get it going Nov 16 06:20:35 as opposed to staying with Maemo in current form Nov 16 06:20:47 sure, it'll take a little while, and in the meantime we have Maemo Nov 16 06:20:51 Macer: it sucks a bit on preparing cafe latte Nov 16 06:21:03 and i mean an alpha that supports all the hw Nov 16 06:21:27 once i see meego fully support all n900 hw it will be something serious :) Nov 16 06:22:30 meego for N900 will never be a real option / alternative Nov 16 06:22:53 DocScrutinizer: i think i agree with you there Nov 16 06:23:03 Nah, I reckon it will be Nov 16 06:23:19 http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/11/16/0056234/AMD-Joins-Intels-MeeGo-OS-Effort Nov 16 06:23:21 perhaps not officially supported, but with the lack of alternative handset hw I can't see it being forgotten Nov 16 06:23:27 SHR Nov 16 06:24:01 too much insider knowledge going into SoC/DSP whatnot, to let meego compete with maemo performance and power saving ever Nov 16 06:24:51 DSP is reasonably open, most of the necessary drivers are available - the two stumbling blocks were battery and powervr and there's drivers for both Nov 16 06:25:01 * slonopotamus yawns Nov 16 06:25:48 so we'll end up with a performant maemo without developer support and bit rotting, and a meego-arm with lots of shiny apps on a poor foundation OS Nov 16 06:26:23 lardman: I disagree, and just say SmartReflex Nov 16 06:26:35 kinda random, but, does anyone know if there is a way to open a Gpass password list in Password Safe on the N900? Nov 16 06:27:24 DocScrutinizer: sure, but someone inside Nokia (who are developing the base system) knows how it works presumably Nov 16 06:27:44 lardman: err - no Nov 16 06:27:58 but will they implement that knowledge into mainstream? so it reaches meego eventually? Nov 16 06:28:04 lardman: someone at nokia or employed by nokia at one point knew how it worked. Nov 16 06:28:29 lardman: This does not mean the meego team inherently knows how it works, or is competent in that area to use the knowledge. Nov 16 06:28:32 Well it won't be any different to what we currently have then will it? Nov 16 06:28:32 SpeedEvil: true Nov 16 06:28:51 pop quiz: what does google chrome do when it sees: Nov 16 06:28:58 Crash? Nov 16 06:28:59 meego team not even gets a proper g-meter driver Nov 16 06:29:00 as it's disabled anyway, etc Nov 16 06:29:33 RobbieThe1st, good guess, but the truth is actually stranger Nov 16 06:29:41 lardman: not anymore Nov 16 06:29:42 ? Nov 16 06:29:45 no other takers? Nov 16 06:29:54 DocScrutinizer: what pr1.3? Nov 16 06:29:58 yep Nov 16 06:30:06 johnx: no idea, tell us :) Nov 16 06:30:22 it actually goes out and downloads the *current page* as if it was an image Nov 16 06:30:36 DocScrutinizer: interesting, in which case I guess the Meego devs will inherit the knowledge/setup Nov 16 06:30:49 maybe, maybe not Nov 16 06:30:55 johnx: kills a kitten? Nov 16 06:31:01 meego is strictly upstream oriented Nov 16 06:31:02 so you end up with GET currentpage.php followed immediately by GET currentpage.php Nov 16 06:31:20 DocScrutinizer: gmeter? wtf are you talking about? it doesn't have _charging_ working. forget about advanced stuff for a while. Nov 16 06:31:23 johnx: that thing should load current page _again_, figure out it has non-image content-type and throw it away. Nov 16 06:31:54 johnx: that's correct behavior (and if you have browser that doesn't do that, it's broken) Nov 16 06:32:20 slonopotamus, yup, bingo. it is "according to spec" Nov 16 06:32:41 johnx: and what did you expect it to do after all? Nov 16 06:33:18 slonopotamus, the img src="" was another dev's way of "disabling an icon in the navbar" Nov 16 06:33:31 so I had no *&$%ing clue what was hitting my page twice Nov 16 06:33:57 johnx: that Nov 16 06:34:04 's optimization :-P Nov 16 06:34:38 johnx: commenting out img tag was too easy? Nov 16 06:34:51 slonopotamus, he did it with js ... Nov 16 06:35:14 auto-optimization then Nov 16 06:35:14 anyone else feels that his n900 is sluggish since updating to PR1.3? Nov 16 06:36:25 lardman: I'm not absolutely sure about that SR thing in PR1.3 kernel Nov 16 06:36:41 lardman: please check changelog for yourself Nov 16 06:36:43 No worries, I didn't even know it existed Nov 16 06:37:44 as that "tester" dude accused me to be a liar, I don't want to start with that now :-D Nov 16 06:39:53 dragly: ping Nov 16 06:40:23 dragly: just wondering what changes you made to mBarcode 2.4.0 as there's nothing in the repo Nov 16 06:40:32 0.2.4 rather Nov 16 06:41:48 Hope you fix(ed) the macro overexposure problem. flash is useless for mbarcode Nov 16 06:42:33 just like it was on (pre?)Pr1.1 for normal macro pictures Nov 16 06:42:40 FWIW Nov 16 06:43:15 me? Nov 16 06:43:20 whoever Nov 16 06:43:28 that's down to the gst pipeline Nov 16 06:43:35 eeeqw Nov 16 06:43:50 yeah, it's probably possible to override it, but best to just use more light Nov 16 06:44:00 I'll add it to my "to look at" list Nov 16 06:44:01 yep Nov 16 06:44:08 :-D Nov 16 06:47:15 hmm, so my Python script can do things like print, but what I really want is to create windows and other graphical objects Nov 16 06:47:39 you'll need to print a lot Nov 16 06:47:48 where script means scripting from inside a C++ app Nov 16 06:48:23 just wondering why I can't create a QWidget - or rather when I do so the C++ app loses focus, but I see no window Nov 16 06:48:56 probably got lots of orphaned windows that don't want to show up in the task switcher :) Nov 16 06:49:17 because QWidget isn't a window? or you didn't run eventloop? Nov 16 06:49:37 QWidget can be made into a window in normal Python code though Nov 16 06:49:40 afaiu Nov 16 06:49:54 yeah the event loop may be troublesome, as that's running in the C++ code Nov 16 06:51:19 heh Nov 16 06:51:40 Y'know, I should probably pastebin some of that guy's convo with me. It's kind of funny Nov 16 06:52:38 lardman: take a look at qdialog Nov 16 06:52:44 or qmainwindow, heh Nov 16 06:52:45 anyone happen to know what happens if you try to create more than one QApplication in Python code? Nov 16 06:52:54 I don't think it works Nov 16 06:54:07 i don't know... i have a feeling the popular response to whether it does will be "why would you want to?" Nov 16 06:54:51 well because I wonder if I should try running that in my Python script Nov 16 06:55:53 no, so creating a QMainWindow also makes the app lose focus but no window is created as far as I can see Nov 16 06:56:52 looks like I might need to delve deeper into the Python C code Nov 16 06:57:19 Hm... Can't you just grab a PyQt4 tutorial? Nov 16 06:57:33 that's what I'm following, but it doesn't work Nov 16 06:57:52 are you testing this on the n900 or on a desktop? Nov 16 06:57:56 and this is trying to script a C++ app using Python, so not quite the same premise Nov 16 06:57:59 N900 Nov 16 06:59:11 "script a C++ app using Python" -- that doesn't appear to make sense Nov 16 06:59:16 ^^ Nov 16 07:00:16 C++ app, use Python from within the app to allow people to write scripts that do things with the app Nov 16 07:00:21 i would suggest testing to see if it works on a desktop, and if not, then start from there Nov 16 07:00:45 it won't, it's mBarcode, so it's quite tightly coupled to the N900 setup Nov 16 07:01:12 I could write a test harness I suppose, more wasted time Nov 16 07:01:15 oooh, i see what you're trying to do Nov 16 07:01:47 uh, it kinda sounds janky, but what you would likely need to do is run off the c++'s qapp Nov 16 07:02:09 yeah, wrap it and pass across perhaps Nov 16 07:02:22 like c++ has a qmainwindow, and you have the python script make a qwidget, and setCentralWidget() it in c++ passing the pointer Nov 16 07:02:28 but it sounds pretty janky Nov 16 07:04:22 I had hoped that I could just have the plugins (python scripts) create their own window and just do stuff in that Nov 16 07:04:45 but another possibility is to pass then a QMainWindow that they can create widgets in Nov 16 07:05:12 but I still think getting the event loops hooked together might be a pita Nov 16 07:05:16 lardman, at times I've thought that it'd be nice if mbarcode would continuously scan barcodes and show whatever URL my camera is pointed at. would that work with your new plugin architecture? Nov 16 07:05:21 i'm wondering if you could pull something with qdialog Nov 16 07:05:42 (that is, it would do that without me needing to push any buttons, just move the camera towards another object) Nov 16 07:05:47 flux: it will pull up a results window I'm afraid Nov 16 07:06:25 flux: but I'm thinking that people might want a default plugin handler, so we should make that possible, then your handler could be called and generate e.g. a banner with the url Nov 16 07:06:25 lardman, I actually patched an older version of mbarcode to not pull up the results window if there's only one result within a certain (small) time period.. Nov 16 07:06:32 try and run this: QMessageBox::information( 0, "test", "test" ); Nov 16 07:06:35 but it still required interactivity to get a new scan Nov 16 07:07:07 but having only one result might not be realistic, I had to remove some of the modules so that the URL was the only one remaining Nov 16 07:07:48 I'm thinking maybe such an application would possibly be a fully separate program from mBarCode, though Nov 16 07:08:16 (but then again perhaps people would like to derive other kinds of urls from the bar codes and that'd work as well) Nov 16 07:08:58 ieatlint: will do in a tick Nov 16 07:09:14 lardman, thing is I have a set of boxes with qr codes on and the code points to a web page describing box contents Nov 16 07:09:24 flux: you could listen for the DBus messages Nov 16 07:09:36 so I'd like to quickly point to a box and see if it's what I want; if not, point it to the next box, etc Nov 16 07:09:56 though really I think it should be possible, if there's only a single plugin that can handle the barcode payload, to not display the results window and go directly to the plugin Nov 16 07:10:00 that would do what you wanted Nov 16 07:10:16 lardman, it almost does it, but it doesn't automatically resume scanning in that case Nov 16 07:10:23 lardman: remember how we discussed automaticallyopening the web browser when the scanned code is a URL? Nov 16 07:10:26 nor, in the case of loading a web page, does it close the previous result Nov 16 07:10:37 (sequential scans would likely find the same page over and over again) Nov 16 07:10:45 RST38h: atm there's a button you click to open url, and another to copy the url Nov 16 07:11:04 (I wonder if there's a way to make a current web browser go to another page instead of opening a new one..) Nov 16 07:11:11 flux: that can be changed - the page opening stuff, it depends on the DBus call Nov 16 07:11:43 probably need a settings dialog for the qrcode plugin in that case to switch between open in same window and open new window Nov 16 07:12:21 the pipeline is also paused until an event occurs to save power (no point having it run behind the results window) Nov 16 07:12:50 but if we had no results window (single plugin, don't want the copy button - add this to min settings dialog) then it would be left running Nov 16 07:12:57 s/min/main Nov 16 07:13:20 flux: can you add those thoughts to the TMO thread please? Nov 16 07:13:28 lardman, "the" thread? Nov 16 07:13:39 once I've finished this Python hell I'll see what I can do about them Nov 16 07:13:49 the one with mBarcode in the title ;) Nov 16 07:14:31 ieatlint: so, how does one call that code from Python then? That's C++ you have there Nov 16 07:14:39 uh Nov 16 07:14:47 * ieatlint goes to find pyqt docs Nov 16 07:15:17 lardman, well, I'll leave the tab open and give some comments at some point :) Nov 16 07:15:20 zee bloody thread Nov 16 07:15:25 QMessageBox.information( 0, "test", "test" ); Nov 16 07:15:37 all good :) Nov 16 07:15:59 http://www.opendocs.net/pyqt/pyqt4/html/qmessagebox.html#details has details Nov 16 07:16:14 although that doesn't look like python to me, heh Nov 16 07:17:12 no their docs are just straight copies of the C++ Nov 16 07:17:32 i think just drop the ; and you're set Nov 16 07:17:36 lardman: autogenerated documentation? Nov 16 07:17:54 i don't have pyqt installed, so can't test Nov 16 07:18:24 will in a min.. i'm curious enough Nov 16 07:18:38 hmm, it wants a widget as the first arg Nov 16 07:18:48 does it error? Nov 16 07:18:50 it generated an error message Nov 16 07:19:01 yeah, I think I need to add the buttons in, that might be the problem Nov 16 07:19:20 nah, that's not it, the first argument is 0, and it should be an qwidget Nov 16 07:19:38 drat, as I don't have any QWidgets Nov 16 07:19:46 unless I just create one for the hell of it Nov 16 07:20:20 heh, doubt it, but possible Nov 16 07:20:32 exactly :D Nov 16 07:20:43 am waiting for install here Nov 16 07:20:53 segfault Nov 16 07:21:30 I'll push the python plugin to extras devel then if anyone's bored they can see whether they can get some ui showing Nov 16 07:23:58 bbiam Nov 16 07:24:48 apparently when i run 2 VMs and am already installing the meego sdk, it takes longer to install a few packages Nov 16 07:30:46 ok so mbarcode-plugin-pythonqtwrapper is built and should soon be in extras-devel Nov 16 07:48:04 Hm, that's interesting - flashing the three "cmt-" bits resets your time/date/location settings Nov 16 07:52:41 uhm... yah Nov 16 07:52:43 lol Nov 16 07:59:54 flashing what? Nov 16 08:01:57 http://www.internettrafficreport.com/namerica.htm North american internet disruption Nov 16 08:02:26 hmm, is that unusual? Nov 16 08:03:13 yes, but i don't know how much Nov 16 08:03:25 Oh, that explains a lot Nov 16 08:04:32 http://www.internettrafficreport.com/rawdata/itr-data.csv happy RobbieThe1st ? Nov 16 08:04:55 bbl Nov 16 08:04:57 DocScrutinizer: I flashed the three "cmt-XYZ" bits from the PR1.3 fiasco image Nov 16 08:05:01 where should I find my file that I have just copied onto the device after mounting it on my host PC ? I copied it into the 'root'. Nov 16 08:05:12 MyDocs Nov 16 08:05:21 it is not there. Nov 16 08:05:36 Are you sure you copied it, then? Nov 16 08:05:44 yes, I remount the device and I can see. Nov 16 08:06:03 (on the host PC under /media/ for example) Nov 16 08:06:07 where exactly? Nov 16 08:06:29 where exactly what ? Nov 16 08:06:56 where exactly do you see it on host PC, as in "which path" Nov 16 08:07:54 I copied it into the 'root'. ^^^ (in this special case /media/) Nov 16 08:08:17 * DocScrutinizer shrugs Nov 16 08:08:32 what's got root to do with /media ? Nov 16 08:08:59 I could not parse this question. Nov 16 08:09:09 i think he meant to say his file is /media/file where /media is the mounted device Nov 16 08:09:24 aep++ Nov 16 08:09:48 please check your ignore list! Nov 16 08:09:57 it seems it doesn't work Nov 16 08:09:57 and i suspect you mounted the memory card, not the on device memory Nov 16 08:11:24 should I remove the sd card during this operation ? Nov 16 08:11:40 they're exposed as two devices. mount the correct one Nov 16 08:11:53 I saw only one device in the output of fdisk -l Nov 16 08:12:14 so there was no other choice Nov 16 08:12:39 *shrug* works for me Nov 16 08:12:41 morning Nov 16 08:13:03 accidently someone has some idea how to power an USB device from another USB port? Nov 16 08:13:16 aep: good for you. Nov 16 08:13:17 :) Nov 16 08:13:20 Necc: please elaborate Nov 16 08:13:47 Necc: want tethering but notebook doesnt provide enough power? Nov 16 08:15:03 uhm... Nov 16 08:15:11 this is the only relevant entry in the output of 'fdisk -l': http://pastebin.com/6NiuRsZ3 Nov 16 08:15:24 i want to build one of these USB OTG ports (female to female port) Nov 16 08:15:28 ~ping Nov 16 08:15:29 ~pong Nov 16 08:15:29 my sd card is 8 gb, this it is probably that. Nov 16 08:15:34 usually when you plug in a usb device like a memstick to a port, then the stick gets powered Nov 16 08:15:51 but in the other hand, i want to add an external power source to not loost charging ability Nov 16 08:15:54 djszapi: device memory may be in use. it warns you when you plug it in Nov 16 08:15:55 should I see two entries there ? Nov 16 08:16:09 Necc: hostmode? Nov 16 08:16:14 on N900? Nov 16 08:16:18 yes Nov 16 08:16:25 ~hostmode Nov 16 08:16:25 rumour has it, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=869527#post869527 Nov 16 08:16:44 and charging doesn't work yet, while hostmode Nov 16 08:17:30 oh... so in hostmode the N900 will discharge in no-time whatever i do Nov 16 08:17:32 and, if it works next month, you'll need a simple Y-cable with a second A-plug, like they come with external drives frequently Nov 16 08:17:45 djszapi, heh, how big is your sd card? Nov 16 08:17:55 Necc: you can use a powered hub, to reduce the load on N900 Nov 16 08:18:21 8 gb Nov 16 08:18:23 and if i want to build this powered hub? Nov 16 08:18:48 those are usually bought for 8 bucks in a store Nov 16 08:18:54 djszapi, yeah that fdisk output is probably the sd card. Usually mounted at /media/mmc1 on n900 Nov 16 08:19:09 y Nov 16 08:19:13 i actually bought one and it doesn't work (designed and made in china) Nov 16 08:19:14 Necc: some guys on #electronics know usb Nov 16 08:19:18 why does it not see the normal device ? Nov 16 08:19:38 Probably something on n900 using it Nov 16 08:19:44 aep: I think I know USB too, a bit Nov 16 08:19:54 it has just been restarted Nov 16 08:19:58 i wasnt claiming otherwise :P Nov 16 08:19:59 x-term open and cd'd inisde MyDocs, for example Nov 16 08:20:06 and I have removed the sd card. Nov 16 08:20:18 so they cannot 'collide' now, but I still do not see the device, lsusb works fine though. Nov 16 08:20:26 Bus 001 Device 017: ID 0421:01c7 Nokia Mobile Phones N900 (Storage Mode) Nov 16 08:20:41 Necc: it should work. There's nothing special for a N900 hostmode powered hub Nov 16 08:20:48 anything in dmesg? Nov 16 08:20:49 it's a standard device Nov 16 08:21:02 no idea Nov 16 08:21:12 iirc it doesn't have a partition table so it probably is ignored by fdisk Nov 16 08:21:29 how can I mount it then ? Nov 16 08:21:29 well all i want is to add a 3-rd USB port to the existing 2 one, and all i want to know it is enough to soldier the Vcc and GND from the 3-rd USB port, or i need some else electronic component, like a diode to avoid "backward" powering or such Nov 16 08:21:53 ShadowJK: Eh; it shows up in -my- fdisk, just without any partitions Nov 16 08:22:04 oh :) Nov 16 08:22:08 Necc: I don't exactly get your question Nov 16 08:22:26 cannot I use the sd card for this data transfer on the target device though ? Nov 16 08:22:26 I've never used fdisk for finding devices like that :) Nov 16 08:22:30 power on a standard USB cable is on red and black Nov 16 08:22:38 I just would like to install an openssh server debian package. Nov 16 08:22:39 Really? Nov 16 08:22:41 to be able to use usb networking. Nov 16 08:22:52 djszapi, sure Nov 16 08:23:05 djszapi: Just use your SD card to copy onto Nov 16 08:23:19 if I'd known you had one, I'd have had you use that. Nov 16 08:23:37 djszapi, usually it's the other way around though. People set up usb networking so that they can use openssh without wifi or cellular.... Nov 16 08:24:05 wait, I have copied it onto the sdcard previously as we discussed. Nov 16 08:24:14 so how can I access to the sd card on my device ? Nov 16 08:24:26 i can't translate well things to english what i never did before :D so... 2 USB female port as a "patch cable" is the current hostmode cable. if i add a 3-rd USB port but only the ground and Vcc to power it, then enough if i simply soldier it directly to the existing cable, or i need something else to put there? Nov 16 08:25:08 fdisk is not available on the target device :) Nov 16 08:26:12 Necc: no, it's sufficient. see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables Nov 16 08:26:52 djszapi: It'll be in /media/mmc1 then Nov 16 08:27:03 Necc: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables#Buy_a_USB_Y_cable_for_powering_USB_devices_and_charging_the_Freerunner_while_in_host_mode Nov 16 08:27:09 and fdisk -is- available, you just have to run it as root Nov 16 08:27:18 nop Nov 16 08:27:20 Though, it may be part of a tools package... Nov 16 08:27:25 it does not work after a sudo gainroot Nov 16 08:27:38 - /bin/sh: fdisk: not found Nov 16 08:28:02 I guess you are right there Nov 16 08:28:35 Oh, wait. It's "sfdisk -l" Nov 16 08:28:47 /media/mmc1 is empty. Nov 16 08:29:03 Did you unplug the USB connection first? Nov 16 08:29:20 if not, CD out of that directory, then back in before using ls again Nov 16 08:29:40 k Nov 16 08:29:53 ahh it requires openssh Nov 16 08:29:58 I mean the common Nov 16 08:30:11 Then go download that? Nov 16 08:30:16 Necc: Oh, by the way, did you ever figure out why Backupmenu wouldn't start on your system? Nov 16 08:30:40 yeah I can go to download Nov 16 08:30:49 but I hope it will not happen repeatedly. Nov 16 08:31:31 Necc: http://multi.xeres.cz/elektronika/usb-redukce though you don't need all the electronics and stuff, but you can see how power is connected to a USB adapter Nov 16 08:31:34 Quote: me, from a long time ago: "Download openssh-server and dependencies" Nov 16 08:32:40 Either way Nov 16 08:32:53 k, installed. Nov 16 08:33:04 let me login via ssh then... Nov 16 08:33:14 RobbieThe1st: sfdisk on maemo5 Nov 16 08:33:32 ohh, too late Nov 16 08:33:32 looks like i missed out on some fun Nov 16 08:33:41 :P, thanks anyways Nov 16 08:34:09 k, works, thank you really :) Nov 16 08:35:29 "You have to connect 2 pcs 15k ohm resistors, one from D+ to ground, and one from D- to ground, to comply with USB-spec for hostmode" all what i needed to know :) thx Nov 16 08:35:53 Necc: forget about that, that's Neo Freerunner specific Nov 16 08:36:35 in fact for N900 hostmode you MUST NOT do this Nov 16 08:37:30 Necc: also the resistor on ID pin is not required for N900, it's another special FreeRunner thing Nov 16 08:38:07 the dangers og googling knowledge Nov 16 08:38:43 Necc: something like http://www.lindy.co.uk/1m-usb-2-dual-power-cable-2-x-type-a-50cm-apart-to-mini-b/31782.html is all you need Nov 16 08:39:08 similar to that at least Nov 16 08:39:11 there' Nov 16 08:39:13 s Nov 16 08:39:26 no components involved, only wires and plugs Nov 16 08:40:05 there's no ID pin on USB-A plugs anyway Nov 16 08:40:41 yep Nov 16 08:41:48 DocScrutinizer: are you a maemo dev? (core) Nov 16 08:41:50 well i try to just simply soldier Vcc and GND to the existing one and i'll see what will happens :D Nov 16 08:42:52 *boom* Nov 16 08:43:03 you'd for example plug the right plug (small with red) of that lindy cable above to your drive, the left huge with read to a wallwart USB charger, them iddle one (large, w/o red) to the F/F adapter like this one http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/thumb/4/4f/Jaykang_usbtyfetotyf.jpg/180px-Jaykang_usbtyfetotyf.jpg , and then your CA-101 cable that came with N900 to that F-F adapter Nov 16 08:44:46 Necc: of course you can solder VCC and GND to an existing one. Take care not to mess with shielding and parallel wires in the data cable though. USB2.0 is critical with that Nov 16 08:46:03 Necc: there are 480MHz on that cable - if that gives you an idea about how to treat the shielding etc Nov 16 08:46:52 the 3-rd USB do not (can not) carry data+ and data- just add it's power Nov 16 08:47:02 exactly Nov 16 08:47:04 i read this part of USB specification Nov 16 08:47:46 HELO, maemopunks Nov 16 08:47:52 lo RST38h Nov 16 08:47:56 but i can not found how these "add another USB port's power ONLY to an existing cable" informations Nov 16 08:49:03 i can not disassembly one of these cables ( http://www.lindy.co.uk/1m-usb-2-dual-power-cable-2-x-type-a-50cm-apart-to-mini-b/31782.html ) just to figure out "how it was built" Nov 16 08:49:16 yes Nov 16 08:50:01 that's why I told you red=VCC black=GND, no other components involved, just connect power supply Nov 16 08:50:42 and that's what i'm asking since from the beggining, that enough if i connect that 2 or i need to do somethwng else? :D Nov 16 08:50:44 on the plug and receptacle these two are the outer ones Nov 16 08:51:15 Necc: I answered your question 2 times at least now Nov 16 08:52:13 >.> Nov 16 08:52:14 <.< Nov 16 08:52:19 nvm, thx anyway :) Nov 16 08:56:25 DocScrutinizer, yes? Nov 16 08:57:03 sorry, wasn't meant to highlight you, inz Nov 16 08:57:32 [2010-11-16 03:28:17] wonder if 'inz' is still around Nov 16 08:57:41 [2010-11-16 03:28:29] inz? Nov 16 08:59:10 "ftp_proxy_module.C rewrite 89% -- 12302 additions, 642 deletions" Nov 16 08:59:27 inz: we were looking for source of recent maemo osso-xterm Nov 16 08:59:45 Anything ancient enough to be called dot capital c needs a rewrite Nov 16 09:00:08 ShadowJK, actually, capital C is still accepted for cpp files Nov 16 09:01:11 This reminds me of the time in 2001 I found this program for X written in 1993 for SunOS, it still compiled and worked on Linux Nov 16 09:01:16 * ShadowJK was shocked Nov 16 09:01:20 ShadowJK, also, we use an internal compiler, .cpp is for external (public) files, .C is for internal stuff Nov 16 09:01:38 DocScrutinizer, oh, ok, if you're still looking, I guess the freshest ones are in the apt repo Nov 16 09:02:14 pupnik found some svn link Nov 16 09:02:21 thanks anyway Nov 16 09:11:02 hey guys Nov 16 09:13:54 hey Nov 16 09:21:09 what use do you guys find for the N8x0 (or N900 even) with the flooding of the android based smartphones/tablets? Nov 16 09:22:15 * ShadowJK finds no use for androids Nov 16 09:24:06 some say that androids doesn't even have common gnu programs, I dunno never touched android Nov 16 09:25:13 android is only eye candy :) Nov 16 09:25:32 hahlo, it barely has Linux. Nov 16 09:25:51 hehe true Nov 16 09:26:25 * kerio looks at messybox and sighs Nov 16 09:26:38 fuckin nokia, how do they work Nov 16 09:26:54 messybox? Nov 16 09:26:55 DocScrutinizer, I checked the svn also, but it seemed to contain quite old versions Nov 16 09:27:00 android == kernel + davlik Nov 16 09:27:10 alterego: port it to maemo Nov 16 09:27:14 It's like Davlik/Linux Nov 16 09:27:22 it's Dalvik Nov 16 09:27:24 not davlik Nov 16 09:27:51 Whatever still sounds like some kind olf super darlik Nov 16 09:27:54 ~messybox Nov 16 09:27:54 messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils Nov 16 09:29:01 Is /join #meego Nov 16 09:29:05 mhm Nov 16 09:29:20 I'm not interested in android as anything other than really powerful integration of all of my information Nov 16 09:29:35 and that something that was never possible in n8x0 Nov 16 09:29:58 Anything is possible given time. Nov 16 09:30:20 alterego: that's really saying something that means nothing :) Nov 16 09:30:24 what do you mean powerful integration of all your information :) ? Nov 16 09:30:34 Well, now we're even :P Nov 16 09:30:36 I'm not against the n8x0 or against the community, I'm just saying the truth Nov 16 09:30:50 the n900 has a unified address book/calendar/im list Nov 16 09:31:03 n900-space: he means one company to own all his information. :) Nov 16 09:31:21 sigh ... he loves clouds then Nov 16 09:31:38 Buy your own cloud, that's what I say :D Nov 16 09:31:46 botnet cloud Nov 16 09:31:47 hehe Nov 16 09:31:48 n900-space: with a few clicks - my calendar shows up my office's outlook/contacts as well as my google calendar. all of my contacts are an integration mix of my gtalk accounts, my skype, my original sim contacts. Nov 16 09:32:04 does dalvik has network surveilance software? even simpliest port scanners like nmap? Nov 16 09:32:17 hahlo: nope Nov 16 09:32:22 say what you want but this makes life easy. Nov 16 09:32:26 cloud or not. Nov 16 09:32:28 alterego: it sounds like dalek Nov 16 09:32:29 and have you used n900 dlirit? Nov 16 09:33:18 I think the N900 has just enough integration as far as web services for me right now. Nov 16 09:33:24 n900-space: no. I bought the n810 and own it, it cost me quite alot and I wasn't going to upgrade to n900 due to the fact that I was expecting to get the functionality I was looking for in my own n810 Nov 16 09:33:35 What I'd like to see is more integration between maps and PIM Nov 16 09:33:36 alterego: could be, but that's n900 and I own an n810 :) Nov 16 09:33:41 it has indeed alterego Nov 16 09:33:57 first frost of the year today ... Nov 16 09:34:19 if you ask me - this is all about the apps market. the nokia tablets simply don't have enough apps and apps are what making the difference, look at iphone or android. Nov 16 09:34:22 Well, of this winter Nov 16 09:34:38 hey can anyone tell me how tab-complete a nick on xchat on n900 Nov 16 09:34:42 dlirit: apps are what's making the difference *for you* Nov 16 09:34:47 i am online from there Nov 16 09:34:59 dlirit: first you complain about service integration, now you're complaining about apps? :P Nov 16 09:35:18 kerio: maybe. I'm only stating my opinion :) Nov 16 09:35:28 pff, you guys are way too sensitive Nov 16 09:35:35 n900-space: edit /usr/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 to have tab as some key combo Nov 16 09:35:41 n900-space: shift + space Nov 16 09:35:51 shift+space is not tab Nov 16 09:35:56 it only works in xchat Nov 16 09:36:01 I hope with intel/google deals we get good google service integration in meego, not for me but for people like you :P Nov 16 09:36:03 dlirit have your ever browsed the repositories or are you only used to looking for boring ovi store? Nov 16 09:36:03 10:27 n900-space • hey can anyone tell me how tab-complete a nick on xchat on n900 Nov 16 09:36:08 10:29 Necc • n900-space: shift + space Nov 16 09:36:24 N8x0's don't have Ovi Nov 16 09:36:49 n900-space: ofcourse. I have the n810 for over a year now. I dealt with upgrading it to the latest os2008, enabling the repos and tweaking it to my needs. Nov 16 09:36:53 thanks Nov 16 09:37:17 n900 repositories are pretty impressive Nov 16 09:37:30 ovi contains nothing for me Nov 16 09:37:35 unfortunately due to not-so-great performance it can't play flash well which I had hoped would be a use for something I needed Nov 16 09:37:40 ovi is a collection of junks Nov 16 09:37:47 Stellerium is cool :P Nov 16 09:37:57 similar applies to android market and iphone market Nov 16 09:38:10 Necc, so narrowminded Nov 16 09:38:11 And angry birds, and the facebook service plugin Nov 16 09:38:18 * n900-space node to Necc Nov 16 09:38:20 gas balls is cute Nov 16 09:38:27 My quad core 2.83GHz Q9550 can't play flash well ^_^ Nov 16 09:38:32 There's a few cool things on there. Nov 16 09:38:43 hehe Nov 16 09:38:55 Surfa: i know it is a sad fact that maemo repos aren't full with farting applications and e-books :( Nov 16 09:38:56 my cor i3 runs flash fine :p Nov 16 09:39:15 but maybe bcuz i have a huge gpu in there :D Nov 16 09:39:15 anyway, I didn't come here to complain about anything but rather I wanted to be updated with any new stuff on the n810 since I was pretty much out of it for the last few months Nov 16 09:39:29 hehehehe Nov 16 09:39:31 Can someone do a sanity check on ground speed in Qt Mobility location for me. Nov 16 09:39:33 Necc, narrowminded opinion, as I already said Nov 16 09:39:41 It's not scaling to miles per hour .. Nov 16 09:39:42 * n900-space nodes againg to Necc Nov 16 09:40:02 Surfa, has nothing to do with narrowmindedness Nov 16 09:40:14 dlirit, TMO way to go for latest on n900 Nov 16 09:40:16 Surfa, I don't think there are policies against those kind of apps Nov 16 09:40:38 there Nov 16 09:40:41 arnt Nov 16 09:40:55 learn2spell Nov 16 09:41:02 the devs community of n900 is just really nice and cool Nov 16 09:41:03 andTYPEomfgLMAO Nov 16 09:41:24 they dont like producing crapware so far Nov 16 09:41:33 sorry? Nov 16 09:41:42 I'm not even going to get into this, I promised no trolling today Nov 16 09:41:43 n900-space: n900fly Nov 16 09:41:58 apple doesn't approve *that*! Nov 16 09:42:39 so that defends all the crapware that *is* there on appstore kerio ? Nov 16 09:42:47 heh Nov 16 09:42:58 "Arizona drivers were warned of the undead roaming a desert highway near Tucson over the weekend, after a suspected prankster tampered with an electronic road sign, police and news media said." Nov 16 09:42:58 havent used n900fly however hehe Nov 16 09:43:10 at least that crapware doesn't prompt you to throw your phone in the air Nov 16 09:43:20 :3 Nov 16 09:43:22 hehe Nov 16 09:43:35 and doesn't makes you cool Nov 16 09:43:47 but those fart-apps makes teenagers look cool :< Nov 16 09:44:00 oh damn i wanna one of those fancy phones now Nov 16 09:44:05 c'mon guys, change the discussion, y'all be sad real soon Nov 16 09:44:08 its all a race for teenagers Nov 16 09:44:09 :D Nov 16 09:44:23 ok talk about: the N900? Nov 16 09:44:26 these companies dont care about multitasking or anything Nov 16 09:44:42 i wrote a credit card skimming app... that should be popular with teenagers Nov 16 09:44:43 they want that teenager using facebook on their device hehe Nov 16 09:44:48 >implying the n900 is not just for unix nerds Nov 16 09:44:52 well not exactly Nov 16 09:44:53 Necc: Did you ever get BackupMenu fixed? Nov 16 09:45:02 ieatlint: how does it work? Nov 16 09:45:11 people want to use facebook anywhere, including on their phones Nov 16 09:45:30 it requires a hardware dongle that is given out for free by another company Nov 16 09:45:36 RobbieThe1st: no, sadly 0.50-3 doesn't launches too, so there's some application incompatibility Nov 16 09:45:49 but it plugs into the audio jack, and when a card is slid, it records it and decodes it to the numbers Nov 16 09:46:04 I have to say, most Maemo geeks are really funny. If they don't hate Microsoft, they hate Apple, if they don't hate Apple, they hate Facebook, rinse, repeat. Nov 16 09:46:10 as i have more then 100+ application installed (+themes and such) there's no chance to figure out witch one causes the problem in reasonable time Nov 16 09:46:24 (you can also make your own hardware dongle with an old cassette tape head) Nov 16 09:46:24 Hm... Just out of curiosity, do you see a black screen with white text during the boot process? Like "loading /var" etc? Nov 16 09:46:34 yes Nov 16 09:47:00 Not the same as the u-boot screen, right? Nov 16 09:47:02 before white screen i see witch modules were loaded, however they are too fast to read them Nov 16 09:47:18 well i never used u-boot, but there's no penguin in the corner :) Nov 16 09:47:36 i can make a blurry video with my E63 if you wish Nov 16 09:47:49 Ok, thanks. What this means is that it is -starting-, but not able to chroot into the ramdisk. Nov 16 09:47:57 This gives me a starting point Nov 16 09:47:59 Thanks Nov 16 09:50:43 crashanddie, I mostly just hate YOU. Nov 16 09:51:09 :( Nov 16 09:52:31 (translated) "Sorry. Authentication system for Nokia Account is down." Nov 16 09:52:34 ah, Ovi... Nov 16 09:52:59 :D Nov 16 09:54:23 crashanddie, you forgot Google Nov 16 09:54:46 true Nov 16 09:55:39 And Kevin Rudd Nov 16 09:58:42 crashanddie, heh :P Nov 16 09:58:48 I just tripped out and thought, wouldn't it be cool if the "add shortcut to desktop" in microb actually put a shortcut in my laptop :P Nov 16 10:00:15 Hm, I wonder if you could do something like that with Sync in Fennec...? Nov 16 10:01:39 Fennec has a plugin yeah Nov 16 10:02:44 hummh, managed to compile s10sh, but my 400D is at home...cannot test it. Has anyone of you guys tested s01sh yet? Nov 16 10:03:15 jvesiluoma, will is work with my 7D. Nov 16 10:03:41 GAN900: where did you get the binaries or did you compile it yourself? Nov 16 10:04:02 jvesiluoma, dunno, I don't have it. Nov 16 10:04:19 RobbieThe1st: Firefox 4 has the ability to sync between the desktop and mobile version Nov 16 10:04:31 Exactly Nov 16 10:04:43 lemme dig out... Nov 16 10:06:12 http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/nightly/latest-mozilla-central-maemo5-qt/ Nov 16 10:06:41 and: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Planning/2.0 Nov 16 10:12:50 Necc: opera had tha for ages Nov 16 10:14:13 does any one know how to install aircrack-ng from command line. i mean is there the apt-get statement for that? Nov 16 10:14:35 yes, apt-get install aircrack-ng Nov 16 10:14:39 obviously :P Nov 16 10:15:30 this didn't work i tried Nov 16 10:16:15 oh Nov 16 10:16:29 maybe some repo link missing huh? Nov 16 10:16:38 you need extras-devel Nov 16 10:16:39 dev-testing? Nov 16 10:16:40 I believe Nov 16 10:16:45 yea Nov 16 10:16:47 thanks Nov 16 10:17:35 Morning Nov 16 10:18:04 Hey Khertan__ Nov 16 10:18:26 slu Khertan_ Nov 16 10:18:39 morning Khertan_ Nov 16 10:24:36 Khertan_, hey latest khweeteur depends on a too new version of pyqt Nov 16 10:26:13 Mece: not my fault Nov 16 10:26:21 Mece: i depends on python-qt4 Nov 16 10:26:22 Khertan_, yeah just noticed Nov 16 10:26:31 it's mobility Nov 16 10:26:33 s/i/khweeteur Nov 16 10:26:33 :) Nov 16 10:26:47 oh ... mobility ? Nov 16 10:26:52 it s works for me ? Nov 16 10:26:53 you forgot trailing slash Nov 16 10:26:58 morning Nov 16 10:27:14 but i notice some push wrong package to extras-devel Nov 16 10:27:25 python2.5-mobility-location: Depends: python2.5-qt4-core (>= 4.7.5) Nov 16 10:27:30 lol Nov 16 10:27:35 stupid Nov 16 10:27:55 strange apt didn't try to update mobility Nov 16 10:27:55 :) Nov 16 10:28:59 * Khertan__ need to found how to calibrate accelerometer ... since i drop my n900 on the ground value are wrong Nov 16 10:31:08 Try pulling the battery for a few minutes Nov 16 10:31:20 oh really ? Nov 16 10:31:30 Yea; I've heard it works Nov 16 10:31:38 The accel can be wedged Nov 16 10:31:45 and require a reset Nov 16 10:32:23 the accel work from as i can read changing value from it ... Nov 16 10:32:28 yep i ll try that Nov 16 10:34:29 Ok, shell-scripting question guys Nov 16 10:35:18 { Nov 16 10:35:23 Can you hear the sea? Nov 16 10:35:26 I've got a file with commands in it - a bunch of mkdirs and CPs. I want to run each command, then check the output code. I'm thinking a loop like "for f in `cat /tmp/disk/filelist.txt`; do" Nov 16 10:35:41 What's the best way to run each line? Just a $f? Nov 16 10:36:00 (Note, I've changed IFS so I get per-line and not per-space) Nov 16 10:36:18 does xargs do what you want? Nov 16 10:36:30 um...? Nov 16 10:37:05 check the output, and do what? Nov 16 10:37:23 erm, sorry. The return code Nov 16 10:37:26 so, like $? Nov 16 10:37:31 and do what with it Nov 16 10:37:57 if 0, continue, else write an "error with x, code y" to screen. Nov 16 10:38:05 1 sec Nov 16 10:38:32 xargs won't quite do that. Nov 16 10:38:35 http://pastebin.com/pw91mfBE Nov 16 10:38:39 Sorry - afk Nov 16 10:38:53 RobbieThe1st: removing battery works :) THX ! Nov 16 10:39:07 That's what I've got - I'm just not sure about the actual "run command" line. Nov 16 10:41:18 shell -c command Nov 16 10:41:22 runs command Nov 16 10:41:52 k Nov 16 10:42:16 so ash -c $f or would ash -c "$f" or something be better? Nov 16 10:43:10 hi Nov 16 10:43:18 I'm about to adquire a n900 Nov 16 10:43:29 Hello Nov 16 10:43:30 the best! Nov 16 10:43:31 Sorry - I'm typing in my sleep at the moment - I should go to bed. Nov 16 10:43:32 just tell me, is there any drawback on updating the firmware? Nov 16 10:43:39 blackthorne: no. Nov 16 10:43:40 Not really, no. Nov 16 10:43:56 ok Nov 16 10:43:57 Assuming you mean just to go to teh most recent of the stock firmware Nov 16 10:44:03 what about python? Nov 16 10:44:12 is it the same version for desktops? Nov 16 10:44:25 I mean, the same interpreter or is it something like Stackless python Nov 16 10:45:28 same Nov 16 10:45:37 awesome Nov 16 10:45:48 blackthorne: Do you use linux at all? Nov 16 10:46:02 N900 is great Nov 16 10:46:07 yes, though my main OS is Mac OS Nov 16 10:46:12 geeks dream come true Nov 16 10:46:26 I want to run this on n900: www.web2py.com Nov 16 10:46:47 2011 going to be Linux erra Nov 16 10:47:13 blackthorne, so run it Nov 16 10:48:20 Am using power44 kernal Nov 16 10:48:57 year n+1 is the year of linux Nov 16 10:49:19 if N900 is so "raw" can't we just put on it THE linux distro? Nov 16 10:49:37 hehehe Nov 16 10:49:59 it is Nov 16 10:50:23 Just so you know, a debian or ubuntu chroot is possible; actually replacing the OS is hard due to Maemo having a few proprietary drivers(like the GPU) Nov 16 10:50:45 Though, there are a few projects doing just that, so... Nov 16 10:50:46 well, I don't mind to use VESA in Slackware Nov 16 10:51:07 check outube for N900 runing Ubuntu Nov 16 10:51:15 also Mac OS Nov 16 10:51:22 youtube* Nov 16 10:51:36 Hmm, anyone know how to get GeePS to go to your current location? I seem to be stuck on the wrong side of the Atlantic Nov 16 10:52:01 trying to run slackware on the n900 would be masochistic :P Nov 16 10:52:03 maybe you are wrong side of the Atlantic Nov 16 10:52:24 ieatlint: just like any OS other than Maemo, I guess.. Nov 16 10:52:30 no, everyone sounds normal here, so I must be in the UK ;) Nov 16 10:52:37 lardman: connect to internet, GPS has problems getting a fix if you are not :( Nov 16 10:52:39 hehehe Nov 16 10:53:00 blackthorne: slackware is like freebsd... i keep thinking it's dead, and then suddenly they release a new version Nov 16 10:53:00 edheldil: I am Nov 16 10:53:01 at least it used to have them on older firmware version Nov 16 10:53:05 I connect using internet for GPS Nov 16 10:53:09 and on that rare occasion, you run into someone who uses it Nov 16 10:53:15 it downloads stuff Nov 16 10:53:35 fbsd is pretty much alive :) Nov 16 10:53:43 Linux -never- dies. Nov 16 10:53:44 sure it is :) Nov 16 10:53:45 maybe you need to locate nearest satellite Nov 16 10:53:55 It may not be "mainstream", but it'll never die. Nov 16 10:54:12 fbsd != linux Nov 16 10:54:13 no, I have a lock, I just don't know how to get the sw to jump to my current location Nov 16 10:54:45 edheldil: it's based on linux though Nov 16 10:55:09 * ieatlint loves the reactions i can get from bsd peeps from saying that :) Nov 16 10:55:12 rotfl. No, really it's not :) Nov 16 10:55:13 ieatlint: for me, Slackware and OpenSUSE/Ubuntu are the distros that make the most sense. One for geeks/hackers, the other for users Nov 16 10:55:19 Android is based on linux too, but sill you can't say it is linux Nov 16 10:55:20 hehe Nov 16 10:55:22 ok Nov 16 10:56:20 ieatlint: although I am not a bsd user for some time, I still like it :) Nov 16 10:56:46 blackthorne: cool... but the issue with slackware for this, is that to my knowledge, there is no arm version Nov 16 10:57:10 edheldil: i know enough bsd devs and people involved with the project to hate it Nov 16 10:57:31 err, that was formed wrong Nov 16 10:57:33 ieatlint: there is, not officialy. Not sure about the official releases, though Nov 16 10:57:38 i know too many bsd devs to hate it Nov 16 10:57:57 blackthorne: so that's a big part of why it'd be extra painful to get slackware on it Nov 16 10:58:29 debian, gentoo are best bets... and there are existing instructions on how to set up chroots from maemo to preserve the proprietary parts of maemo Nov 16 10:58:52 www.armedslack.org Nov 16 10:59:13 and debian is for bearded ? Nov 16 10:59:22 a team just for that Nov 16 10:59:33 ARMv4t... hrm, i dunno arm compatibility well enough, but i'll note that the n900 is armv6 Nov 16 10:59:54 Khertan_: no, you're thinking of hurd Nov 16 11:00:03 someone go start a n900 hurd project Nov 16 11:00:23 it is official Nov 16 11:02:24 http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-15140?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel <<< tagged as incomplete ... this doesn't motivate to report and write patch Nov 16 11:07:09 maemo is armv6, the N900 is armv7 Nov 16 11:07:42 ah, i was wrong then Nov 16 11:08:01 Actually, maemo is armv7 too I think .. Nov 16 11:08:06 i'd blindly assume newer versions of arm are backwards compatible, making armv4 stuff work on the n900 then Nov 16 11:45:39 lol... Nov 16 11:45:46 writing an email in french to my boss Nov 16 11:46:13 crashanddie: ? Nov 16 11:46:18 spell check by google: "We were unable to apply spellcheck in Volapuk, however we were able to correct the English words in your email" Nov 16 11:48:55 Probability fail. Nov 16 11:49:17 how can I check what application makes my n900 sluggish? Nov 16 11:49:26 everything stutters and shocks Nov 16 11:49:39 even after fresh reboot Nov 16 11:49:43 clean PR1.3 Nov 16 11:50:10 top is useful Nov 16 11:50:15 especially through ssh Nov 16 11:51:07 i tried htop Nov 16 11:51:11 but can't see much Nov 16 11:51:49 what do you mean? Nov 16 11:52:01 htop (a kind of top) Nov 16 11:52:03 Are there processes running, when it should be idle? Nov 16 11:52:07 my load average is 4+ Nov 16 11:52:16 Also - load-applet Nov 16 11:52:26 hildon-desktop seems to take a lot Nov 16 11:52:30 load applet is running Nov 16 11:52:42 http://maemo.org/packages/view/load-applet/ Nov 16 11:53:07 ssh in - and run htop there Nov 16 11:53:13 what's active Nov 16 11:53:22 with the screen locked ideally. Nov 16 11:53:31 If nothing is - then you can go from there Nov 16 11:53:31 hmm no ssh possible here :/ Nov 16 11:53:36 install it Nov 16 11:53:46 no I have no wireless internet here Nov 16 11:53:47 :p Nov 16 11:53:51 ssh is installed Nov 16 11:54:01 http://maemo.org/packages/view/openssh-common/ Nov 16 11:54:01 ah Nov 16 11:54:10 you can use usb networking Nov 16 11:55:23 hi Nov 16 11:55:37 SpeedEvil: http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking still correct? Nov 16 11:55:50 I dunno. Nov 16 11:55:57 I'm mostly asleep. Nov 16 11:56:03 lol Nov 16 11:56:04 I have a problem with n900 and wpa/pap Nov 16 11:56:39 ? Nov 16 12:05:18 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1635 resolution=FIXED, but it doesnt seem to work Nov 16 12:05:19 Bug 1635: Eduroam (EAP-TTLS+PAP) WiFi auth Nov 16 12:07:40 serpent: no gui, but it does work. Nov 16 12:08:47 with gconftool-2? Nov 16 12:08:56 yes. Nov 16 12:09:08 I have PR 1.3 Nov 16 12:09:18 yes? Nov 16 12:10:33 is there any good software for GPS such as TomTom for N900? Nov 16 12:11:07 javispedro: this is the fifth time I try, and it doesnt work Nov 16 12:11:07 sygic? Nov 16 12:12:50 looks cool... wonder how are those maps in my country, Portugal Nov 16 12:13:47 javispedro: do I need to patch something with pr1.3? Nov 16 12:16:28 Really need to optimize a couple of my costum widgets, they're taking 80% CPU again .. Nov 16 12:17:02 costume widgets? Nov 16 12:17:10 Custom .. Nov 16 12:17:16 It colour coordinates the wallpaper with your outfit? Nov 16 12:17:20 christ what a type ;) Nov 16 12:17:20 I prefer my answer. Nov 16 12:17:30 ~typo, freakin' hell man ^.^ Nov 16 12:17:37 * SpeedEvil is annoyed at not being able to sleep. Nov 16 12:17:44 So is annoying others. Nov 16 12:20:10 SpeedEvil: i encourage you Nov 16 12:34:30 hi Nov 16 12:38:17 ... hy? Nov 16 12:41:45 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CblPiVd1QOs <- new video showing how to flash your n900 via LiveCD. Note that it's not finished processing quite yet, but I'm off. Nov 16 13:08:41 who need palm games .deb? Nov 16 13:11:00 Afteris: Err, I hope you're not pushing pirated s/w Nov 16 13:11:11 Af'noon, all. Nov 16 13:12:26 Jaffa pirated aaarrrrrr Nov 16 13:12:28 :D Nov 16 13:12:59 for testing purpose Nov 16 13:13:36 :) Nov 16 13:13:53 Afteris: No. Nov 16 13:31:45 1ghz is most stable ? Nov 16 13:32:37 Afteris, no. Nov 16 13:33:03 what frequency is ? Nov 16 13:33:09 in your opinion Nov 16 13:33:14 500MHz Nov 16 13:33:37 it's to weak Nov 16 13:33:38 then Nov 16 13:33:48 and really can fry Nov 16 13:33:51 :) Nov 16 13:35:20 how we now that temp sensor is somewhere near battery not cpu i have 40 playing nfs or just mediaplayer+10browsers Nov 16 13:35:24 with 1ghz Nov 16 13:35:29 no problems Nov 16 13:35:35 at all 6months Nov 16 13:36:06 wait until summer Nov 16 13:36:20 summer i know ;) Nov 16 13:36:20 then youi will see 60-70°C again Nov 16 13:36:32 not dumb Nov 16 13:36:52 also maybe my summertime is on alaska Nov 16 13:36:54 :) Nov 16 13:37:29 what temperature you think smart harming device? Nov 16 13:37:41 anything above absolute zero Nov 16 13:37:52 huh Nov 16 13:37:59 actually i regularly run mine up to about 4 kelvin Nov 16 13:38:03 and it still mostly works Nov 16 13:39:23 ye i have water cooling on my n900 Nov 16 13:39:24 you keep your N900 in liquid nitrogen? Nov 16 13:39:30 Si Nov 16 13:39:36 seriously though, if you're wondering about how much you can overclock, the answer is that there is not a cut-off Nov 16 13:39:38 crashanddie, ha Nov 16 13:39:38 BCMM: 4K? That is what I get with a 5kWatts cryo-system Nov 16 13:39:39 make some tubes Nov 16 13:39:57 depends if you want to fry your CPU in a days, weeks, months or years Nov 16 13:40:27 BCMM: and I got one right downstairs Nov 16 13:40:29 chem|st: i wasn't especially serious; i do in fact typically run it even hotter Nov 16 13:41:28 problem with overclocking is with temp? Nov 16 13:41:33 or freq Nov 16 13:41:51 becoz such cpu can work 1.15... Nov 16 13:42:22 don't know if the device will fit in the vacuum chamber but anyone who wants to try can send me a device, I youtube it Nov 16 13:43:02 if you send me a free n900, i'll send you a badly photoshopped pic of it in low earth orbit Nov 16 13:43:17 huh Nov 16 13:43:24 so there Nov 16 13:43:32 for liquid N I may have a drychamber handy as well Nov 16 13:44:04 you people are hardcore man Nov 16 13:44:12 maybe guys test it with asteroids? Nov 16 13:44:26 BCMM: you can stop by for a visit, for sure I will send it back after the test run Nov 16 13:44:28 will screen scrach Nov 16 13:44:30 or no Nov 16 13:44:38 you mean meteorites? Nov 16 13:44:48 asteroids Nov 16 13:44:50 man Nov 16 13:44:54 anyeone know where you can get a screen protected designed to resist micrometeorites? Nov 16 13:45:01 Afteris: meteorites Nov 16 13:45:10 asteroids Nov 16 13:45:25 Afteris: deep space? Nov 16 13:45:30 no, i think he actually wants to deflect large asteroids Nov 16 13:45:31 sure Nov 16 13:45:33 before the threaten the earth Nov 16 13:45:36 with an n900 Nov 16 13:45:43 i'm sure it's possible Nov 16 13:45:46 I see her alot nasa guys Nov 16 13:45:48 the n900 can do anything Nov 16 13:45:50 so why not Nov 16 13:45:52 :) Nov 16 13:46:13 Afteris: the n900 does not run reliable enough for nasa needs Nov 16 13:46:15 (as demonstrated by the community adding features that don't actually exist in hardware like host mode) Nov 16 13:46:30 i'm sure the hardware is really capable of acting like a rocket motor too Nov 16 13:46:30 you can give a try Nov 16 13:46:41 they still use 486s designs Nov 16 13:47:28 if guys send rocket to moon with 'calculator' Nov 16 13:47:31 so n900 Nov 16 13:47:53 it's too heavy Nov 16 13:48:21 bahhh Nov 16 13:50:29 i got my new debit card in the mail today... this should remove any doubts of the pedantic geek that i am http://tehinterweb.com/larry.jpg Nov 16 13:52:36 I can't tell how much of a geek you are without seeing the reverse side, and your camera seems to have issues. Nov 16 13:53:24 * SpeedEvil goes back to sleep Nov 16 13:53:31 it's an n8, and the reverse side isn't that exciting :P Nov 16 13:54:53 They still make cards with magnetstripe only? Nov 16 13:55:45 oh my Nov 16 13:55:58 can I turn down the initial song when my device boots (N900) ? Nov 16 13:56:18 BCMM: phone in space? only Freerunner! http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1430&p=14569#p14569 Nov 16 13:56:55 djszapi: i do believe the intro is just a video file on the device... presumably, you could alter this video file to solve that Nov 16 13:58:06 ieatlint: http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Welcome_screen Nov 16 13:58:20 Or find out what plays it and modify the player Nov 16 13:58:34 alterego: too late :-D Nov 16 13:58:35 ieatlint: where ? Nov 16 13:58:51 djszapi: i believe that asshole that banned you was kind enough to answer your question Nov 16 13:59:14 banned? Nov 16 13:59:24 earlier today :) Nov 16 13:59:28 nope Nov 16 13:59:34 am i confusing people? Nov 16 13:59:39 Yes Nov 16 13:59:44 my bad, heh Nov 16 13:59:47 no, you're confusing ban and kick Nov 16 13:59:58 ah Nov 16 14:00:03 I most likely missed that, can you give more information for me, please ? Nov 16 14:00:15 :P Nov 16 14:07:35 your credit card is awesome Nov 16 14:08:00 hi Nov 16 14:08:17 I have a problem connecting to a wireless network with pap Nov 16 14:08:23 DocScrutinizer: has anyone made a page collecting links the various alternative boot videos floating around? Nov 16 14:08:28 I am using pr1.3 Nov 16 14:08:33 thanks :P Nov 16 14:09:00 I've made one in which the words "DON'T PANIC" scroll past in large, friendly letters Nov 16 14:09:53 kernel staring latest Nov 16 14:11:02 anyone else with trouble connecting to eduroam? Nov 16 14:11:59 ho Nov 16 14:13:16 Crak: has anyone not had trouble connecting to eduroam? Nov 16 14:13:25 yes Nov 16 14:14:35 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1635 Nov 16 14:14:37 Bug 1635: Eduroam (EAP-TTLS+PAP) WiFi auth Nov 16 14:24:39 hey Nov 16 14:24:52 hi Nov 16 14:25:10 so much for Nokia caring about maemo developers: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10353 Nov 16 14:25:11 Bug 10353: result of USSD query should not be shown to user at all (If he wishes that) Nov 16 14:25:33 ~seen MohammadAG Nov 16 14:25:44 mohammadag is currently on #maemo (1d 12h 31m 9s) #meego (1d 12h 31m 9s). Has said a total of 53 messages. Is idling for 3h 58m 45s, last said: 'morning'. Nov 16 14:25:58 MohammadAG: ping Nov 16 14:26:59 I have tried to turn down everything in settings/profile, but I still get the initial voice Nov 16 14:27:02 :( Nov 16 14:29:58 hehe, the joy of "eternal ignore list". It's a bad idea to come here, ask for help, and then tell people [2010-11-16 06:03:51] I do not care about what you write. [2010-11-16 06:05:34] he practically did not say anything useful. Nov 16 14:30:40 hehe, yeah, i realised after my comment that perhaps he had actually followed through on that ignoring thing Nov 16 14:31:25 so do you have any idea ? Nov 16 14:32:46 djszapi: what's da problem? Nov 16 14:33:25 I would like to mute the initial startup video. Nov 16 14:33:34 to not bother others wherever I am. Nov 16 14:33:40 DocScrutinizer: it has been known for a long time that Nokia does not care about Maemo Nov 16 14:33:50 didnt DocScrutinizer already link the wikipage for it Nov 16 14:34:06 djszapi: if you shut down the N900 in silent mode, the initial video will mute on startup Nov 16 14:34:15 frals: I'm on his ignore list, and zhat's just fine Nov 16 14:34:23 ah, right Nov 16 14:34:55 * RST38h yawns Nov 16 14:35:00 Venemo_N900: I just use the switch off. Nov 16 14:35:09 djszapi: it is also possible to remove that video with an app Nov 16 14:35:11 Sooooo, what is new and exciting? Is Nokia mistreating you again, Doc? Nov 16 14:35:52 Venemo_N900: How can I do that ? Nov 16 14:36:10 me? nah. Still waiting for djszapi 's boss to come here and beat me up, as djszapi threated me Nov 16 14:36:31 haha Nov 16 14:36:37 djszapi: install the bootscreen manager app, or edit the .ini whose name I can't recall atm Nov 16 14:37:12 djszapi: search for 'bootscreen' on TMO Nov 16 14:37:35 DocScrutinizer: you could probably sending a fyi to his boss and tell him what he does to the company name ;-) Nov 16 14:38:12 DocScrutinizer: what kind of fun did I miss? :P Nov 16 14:38:12 I offered to send the irclog URL to his boss Nov 16 14:39:06 Venemo_N900: tmo ? Nov 16 14:39:11 Venemo_N900: I *dared* to ~tell djszapi about question Nov 16 14:39:12 djszapi: yes Nov 16 14:39:26 DocScrutinizer: oh... hehe Nov 16 14:39:29 talk.maemo.org ? Nov 16 14:39:38 djszapi: right. Nov 16 14:40:31 hey... i was wondering, is there any way to sync bookmarks between the maemo browser and chromium on a desktop? Nov 16 14:41:06 Commo: export/import maybe Nov 16 14:41:10 Venemo_N900: I do not find anything there. Nov 16 14:42:03 djszapi: enable -devel Nov 16 14:42:11 djszapi: install powatool Nov 16 14:42:20 djszapi: disable "nokia hands" Nov 16 14:42:38 djszapi: or install the bootscreen manager, and remove the nokia hands video Nov 16 14:43:02 djszapi: or edit the appropriate config file Nov 16 14:43:39 which config file ? Nov 16 14:43:57 djszapi: try the first method first. Nov 16 14:44:11 djszapi: /etc/hildon-welcome.d Nov 16 14:44:21 You can just delete the one file in there if you don't want a welcome video Nov 16 14:44:53 comment out is a better idea :) Nov 16 14:44:57 or backup Nov 16 14:45:22 frals: RST38h: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html#t2010-11-16T07:03:51 Nov 16 14:45:23 uhm .. okay, this might be a bit newbie, but can I apt-get install a specific version of the power kernel? Nov 16 14:45:48 I'd like to go back because psfreedom stopped working after I upgraded the kernel without thinking ;) Nov 16 14:46:11 haj_: apt-get install package=version Nov 16 14:46:56 Venemo_N900: nice.. :) Nov 16 14:48:44 Venemo_N900 dsg thank you for your help Nov 16 14:48:58 djszapi: yw Nov 16 15:10:41 hey Nov 16 15:10:49 sorry, I got disconnected Nov 16 15:14:17 you missed exactly 0 Nov 16 15:21:56 thx DocScrutinizer Nov 16 15:35:48 dwarf fortress client code is opensource if anyone wants to build a maemo client Nov 16 15:37:30 11M Oct 4 14:40 Dwarf_Fortress << that's almost all game logic :) Nov 16 15:44:46 pupnik: what is dwarf fortress? Nov 16 15:48:50 Venemo_N900: an independent rpg and simulation/strategy game that is trying to extend the boundaries of procedually-generated gameplay Nov 16 15:49:21 pupnik: k, thx Nov 16 15:49:22 compare to: roguelikes Nov 16 15:49:30 will look into it Nov 16 15:49:40 nah, I have to leave now Nov 16 15:49:41 bb Nov 16 15:53:25 In ASCII :) Nov 16 16:01:31 hello :) Nov 16 16:01:57 hi Nov 16 16:09:21 hmz again hit ##overflow :p Nov 16 16:10:02 kernel-power, mobilehotspot withour WEP, wlan works fine, have an ip, phone masquerading is on, forwarding enabled, but I cannot ping/tracepath past the phone, phone is online and internet works - provider germany o2 - any ideas? Nov 16 16:10:21 ah - n900 maemo PR1.3 Nov 16 16:10:59 chaoflow: is the gateway set? Nov 16 16:11:54 is 'kernel-power' stable now? my device was in a deadlock kause of this kernel last 6 month :D Nov 16 16:12:00 *cause Nov 16 16:12:04 chem|st: yes, the tracepath ends on the phone Nov 16 16:12:13 ah ok Nov 16 16:12:27 but, I only tried 8.8.8.8/53 which also does not work from laptop via umts directly - hmpf Nov 16 16:12:52 well try something like heise.de Nov 16 16:12:55 Schorschl: i have it installed for a while, ideal settings since about 2 hours, phone gets warmer than usual, but stable Nov 16 16:13:07 Hello, is there package host-pc-connectivity for Fedora 14 somewhere? Nov 16 16:13:20 smartreflex results in reboot the moment cpu is needed Nov 16 16:13:22 LukasT: what? Nov 16 16:13:22 I'm trying to do thethering with N900 and my laptop Nov 16 16:13:35 chem|st: http://pc-connectivity.garage.maemo.org/yum/base/11/i386/ Nov 16 16:13:43 chem|st: something like that but for fc14 Nov 16 16:14:34 chaoflow: after replacing my orginal kernel i had 20 days uptime, then the battery died and it was in a deadlock... the emergency charge procress doenst work Nov 16 16:16:52 chem|st: did you have some idea? Nov 16 16:17:38 LukasT: well no, have you tried the F11 package? Nov 16 16:18:00 chem|st: I'm going to do that, let's see if it can break my system :) Nov 16 16:18:21 LukasT: have you tried to use rfcomm on your laptop? Nov 16 16:18:49 this works for me... u just need bluetooth on you laptop Nov 16 16:18:52 Schorschl: I tried NetworkManager and it's wizzard but it does not want to work :( Nov 16 16:19:08 Schorschl: I want to share internet through USB Nov 16 16:19:26 uh Nov 16 16:20:19 LukasT: i tried it with gnome too, but it wouldnt work... then i have configured it manually and it works Nov 16 16:20:33 at home i have a script for that Nov 16 16:20:42 Schorschl: can you share it ? Nov 16 16:20:49 Schorschl: through pastebin or something? Nov 16 16:20:58 i am out of office at 20:00 Nov 16 16:20:59 Schorschl: how did you get it out of deadlock? Nov 16 16:21:05 chem|st: same with heise Nov 16 16:21:26 chaoflow: just dont charge it :D Nov 16 16:22:01 LukasT: can you highlight me at 9pm? then i'll be at home Nov 16 16:22:24 Schorschl: I will try if I'm still be online Nov 16 16:22:33 ok Nov 16 16:23:11 jacekowski: good morning Nov 16 16:25:03 can anyone give me information on the serial port on the n900 ? Nov 16 16:25:28 It's under the battery Nov 16 16:25:48 With the other USB port Nov 16 16:25:58 Well, contact pads. Nov 16 16:26:07 that other usb port is rapuyama port probably Nov 16 16:27:03 I was wondering about that port the other day, how hostmode reports the normal USB port as "port1" does that make the other one "port0"? Nov 16 16:27:35 that's just UI Nov 16 16:28:41 Heh, just checking this website that buys old phones, the N95 8G is worth more than the N96 .. Nov 16 16:30:50 * user wonders if there is also a centronics port under the battery for his lexmark 1100 bubblejet Nov 16 16:31:12 No Nov 16 16:31:17 Definitely not. Nov 16 16:34:03 alterego: I got the contact pad. Nov 16 16:34:22 alterego: can you help with teh mapping ? Nov 16 16:34:34 I've never touched it, so no. Nov 16 16:35:46 alterego: is there any other way to get output aside from the touch screen ? Nov 16 16:36:21 What? Nov 16 16:36:50 Now you've completely lost me .. Nov 16 16:36:54 Yes, working with the screen is tedious for kernel work. Nov 16 16:37:02 hence the idea of getting a console output. Nov 16 16:37:12 Oh, right Nov 16 16:37:25 ssh Nov 16 16:37:27 I assume you guys have ways to get a better screen, somehow. Nov 16 16:37:34 Nope, Nov 16 16:37:55 But, if I were to do something that required that, I'd probably test in the N900 emulator first. Nov 16 16:38:30 I'm new to the N900, this emulator thing sounds nice... Nov 16 16:38:53 You would say that, you've not tried to install & use it yet :P Nov 16 16:39:44 humm... just as tedious then ? Nov 16 16:39:59 No, probably not, that's why that's what I'd do. Nov 16 16:40:17 What operating system do you run on your development system? Nov 16 16:40:40 ubuntu 10.10 Nov 16 16:42:34 mpoirier: probably you could ssh from your ubuntu workstation to n900 to do your kernel stuff Nov 16 16:42:37 Ang on, I'll try and find the link. Nov 16 16:43:10 user: but what if I want to play with the kernel, i.e add debug messages and stuff... Nov 16 16:43:37 Well, there is always dmesg Nov 16 16:43:39 post boot Nov 16 16:44:03 It's the pre-userspace I'm worried about... Nov 16 16:44:21 Indeed Nov 16 16:44:26 my kernel is definitely going to die before. Nov 16 16:44:36 hence the idea of putting a console. Nov 16 16:44:48 Here you go: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Qemu Nov 16 16:44:57 mpoirier: with a ssh connection you can havd the terminal of your n900 in your ubuntu workstation, so you can do anything Nov 16 16:45:12 alterego: thanks. Nov 16 16:45:49 havd -> have Nov 16 16:46:13 You'll need to compile it yourself ;) Nov 16 16:46:13 andax: yes, but my kernel is going to crash before ssh gets started... Nov 16 16:47:55 alterego: ok, I'll give it a try. Nov 16 16:48:54 mpoirier: well, i am not a kernel hacker but i guess you can keep the default kernel as alternative until your custom kernel is 100% stable Nov 16 16:50:02 andax: the process of getting my custom kernel stable is lies at the heart of the problem. Nov 16 16:56:59 yes, so, when your custom k. does not get the runlevel for ssh, your default k. does (hopefully). Nov 16 17:29:26 Haven't seen Mohammad today, that's odd :) Nov 16 17:40:22 hi Nov 16 17:40:34 does google maps work fine for gps navigation in the N900? Nov 16 17:42:34 blackthorne: it doesn't at all Nov 16 17:42:51 there is no GPS integration in the browser AFAIK Nov 16 17:43:17 damn, thank yo Nov 16 17:43:23 would be trivial to add probably Nov 16 17:43:27 if the GMaps API allows it Nov 16 17:43:41 I usually just open my geocache app and copy coords to GMaps tho Nov 16 17:43:45 it's good enough Nov 16 17:50:03 google maps gets location from my browser on n900 at least, but dunno if it has navigation or not Nov 16 17:50:46 can this patch be applied to the maemo kernel: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/11/16/1330233/The-200-Line-Linux-Kernel-Patch-That-Does-Wonders?from=rss Nov 16 17:51:00 ? Nov 16 17:54:10 i guess try it Nov 16 17:54:20 but maemo kernel is likely too old Nov 16 17:54:57 Well. Moo. Nov 16 17:55:23 how often is the kernel updated? will we get .38 at some point? Nov 16 17:55:54 I think we already got the last update Nov 16 17:59:27 http://www.euclideanspace.com/threed/games/examples/cars/index.htm << great site for explaining the maths behind computer games Nov 16 18:01:11 I don't think there has ever been any plans to ever base it on any other kernel than what it was shipped with Nov 16 18:03:40 That patch is about things that want a miniscule amount of cpu simultaneously with large amount of things that want all the cpu they want getting cpu with minimal latency Nov 16 18:03:50 Zogg, zap, heya Nov 16 18:04:39 interactivity Nov 16 18:04:39 I doubt its relevance to maemo Nov 16 18:05:14 on maemo biggest issue causing stutter is I/O not cpu in my experience Nov 16 18:05:22 yep Nov 16 18:05:33 CPU performance is fine, even memory performance is fine Nov 16 18:05:41 Things get broken once it starts swapping Nov 16 18:06:01 ShadowJK: BTW, seen WinPhone7 requirements for SD cards? =) Nov 16 18:06:34 looks like the patch was already tested with maemo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58780&highlight=bfs Nov 16 18:08:54 ÆÒ ÉÁÙ Nov 16 18:09:03 ah, bfs Nov 16 18:09:24 i always wondered if it can improve n900 performance Nov 16 18:09:27 can it? Nov 16 18:09:44 overclock it Nov 16 18:09:59 Nov 16 18:10:18 RST38h, nope Nov 16 18:10:30 help! Nov 16 18:10:44 ovi suite doesn't finish starting :( Nov 16 18:11:05 [Window Title] Nokia Ovi Suite 2 Nov 16 18:11:05 [Main Instruction] Nokia Ovi Suite 2 is not responding Nov 16 18:11:05 [Content] If you close the program, you might lose information. Nov 16 18:11:05 [Close the program] [Wait for the program to respond] Nov 16 18:11:16 oh, excuse me, ovi suite *2* :) Nov 16 18:11:29 ShadowJK:APparently they require special cards with high random access speeds and say that the cards will be unusable in other devices once formatted for wp7 Nov 16 18:11:31 ioan, surely that's Con Kolivas' BFS, unrelated to group scheduler improvement patch pasted aove? Nov 16 18:11:46 ShadowJK: IN other words, they apparently hit the same swap problem as maemo Nov 16 18:12:06 ooo freaky deaky, using ubuntu to connect to irc/#maemo is kinda random! (Chat accounts thing) Nov 16 18:12:12 ShadowJK idk :-) Nov 16 18:13:14 RST38h, well if they can actually define a performance metric and make manufacturers spec it, all the better Nov 16 18:13:24 like they did with "ReadyBoost" Nov 16 18:13:29 anyone else use the ubuntu chat account system for ircing? Nov 16 18:13:44 ShadowJK:Yea, I fully expect new, fast random access sd cards to do wonders for n900 =) Nov 16 18:16:37 Is this really about sd cards though, or is it about emmc type things Nov 16 18:17:35 or that new sandisk thing, issd or something (which is basically mmc/sd with a sensible interface) Nov 16 18:21:18 ShadowJK: standard sd cards, wp7 devices have sockets for them, covered with various warranty labels for now Nov 16 18:23:11 ShadowJK: What is the BFS kernel patch by the way? Is it any useful to performance? Nov 16 18:26:57 sp3000: EWTF Nov 16 18:27:03 http://www.comms.ovi.com/m/p/ovi/suite/index_en_uk.html Nov 16 18:27:12 check out the context menu on the video] Nov 16 18:27:23 esc = [enter] fullscreen Nov 16 18:28:01 (but it doesn't work ..) Nov 16 18:28:02 ~seen alterego Nov 16 18:28:16 alterego <~t.swindel@212.110.185.209> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 58m 50s ago, saying: 'Haven't seen Mohammad today, that's odd :)'. Nov 16 18:28:17 Firefox can't find the server at nds1.nokia.com. Nov 16 18:28:26 * timeless_mbp thanks nokia Nov 16 18:28:28 alterego: ping Nov 16 18:28:39 Nice but no way I am installing Ovi Suite Nov 16 18:29:01 timeless_mbp: what doesn't work Nov 16 18:29:11 I *will* install a Maemo app that does the same by running a small web server on the device any day Nov 16 18:29:12 RST38h, brain fuck scheduler. said to be much better for desktops than vanilla one optimized for server use Nov 16 18:29:19 esc doesn't open full screen video Nov 16 18:29:33 I'll presume it's a hint for how to get out of it (for most platforms) Nov 16 18:29:36 Arkenoi: Ok, but is it any good for mobiles? =) Nov 16 18:30:14 RST38h, some people say yes. i'like to know for sure. Nov 16 18:30:33 Arkenoi: Someone is making a patched kernel available Nov 16 18:31:06 might be worth trying , it is designed to make interactive tasks more responsive Nov 16 18:31:21 MohammadAG: ping Nov 16 18:33:57 sp3000: oh. Nov 16 18:34:01 the plugin also crashed Nov 16 18:45:06 anyone around with knowledge of #maemo packaging who can help? (qt) Nov 16 18:53:03 trumee: yah? Nov 16 18:53:21 I want to build a custom kernel configured for AX.25 networking for my N900 and I thought I'd tweak the kernel-power kernel (as I want USB host). Is there a guide somewhere for building the kernel-power kernel from source? Nov 16 18:59:48 ah, i seem to have found a source deb for v.45 in extras devel. that's probably a better bet than the git from garage, which seemed pretty spartan Nov 16 18:59:50 mmMMmm tasty dinner Nov 16 19:00:44 alterego: ! ahaaaaaaa Nov 16 19:01:00 * noobmonk3y screwed something up with packaging :| Nov 16 19:01:14 Like what? :) Nov 16 19:01:18 it builds and goes into ham fine, but no desktop icon :| Nov 16 19:01:26 (menu) Nov 16 19:01:38 meh you know what i mean, doesnt appear in the menu afetr installation Nov 16 19:01:40 Hrm Nov 16 19:01:55 Is the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon/ ? Nov 16 19:02:07 cant see it on my n900 :| Nov 16 19:02:34 (thats after install) Nov 16 19:03:05 m'kay Nov 16 19:03:34 Do you have a deployment.pri in your package? Nov 16 19:03:40 Sorry, as part of your project Nov 16 19:03:46 ooo erm, no idea, never heard of that file Nov 16 19:03:51 lemme go see Nov 16 19:03:54 Presumably you're doing all of this in Qt creator? Nov 16 19:04:07 yeah, and then running mad dpkg-buildpackage etc Nov 16 19:04:46 can't see that file anywhere Nov 16 19:04:55 and never heard of it lol Nov 16 19:05:07 I'm using an odd version of Qt creator. Nov 16 19:05:17 Have you written a .desktop file? Nov 16 19:05:34 Is this something new that's just started happening or have you just not done it yet? :P Nov 16 19:05:47 was working 2 version ago :| Nov 16 19:05:53 * alterego eats some fruit cake he just found in the cuboard he forgot about Nov 16 19:05:58 but MohammadAG did the upload, the last 2 i did, didnt work :| Nov 16 19:05:58 My mum makes the best cakes :D Nov 16 19:06:14 alterego: my missuses are pretty good - she wants to own a cake shop ;) hehe Nov 16 19:06:21 Tell you what, tar.bz2 your project junk and upload it for me to grab :) Nov 16 19:06:49 ooo will do :0 Nov 16 19:09:23 I wish my missus was decent at making cakes, she's got quite a bit of learning to do in the kitchen unfortunately ^.^ Nov 16 19:10:08 mine's great at buying them from a local cake shop, so I dont complain too much Nov 16 19:11:20 Anyone knows how expensive it is (space wise) to have a tine web server with PHP on the N900? Nov 16 19:11:39 not much Nov 16 19:11:40 About this big > < Nov 16 19:11:47 RST38h: probably not too bad if there's no traffic ;) Nov 16 19:12:05 alterego: www.greg-roberts.com/downloads/maecount-0.8.0.tar.gz Nov 16 19:12:10 Anyone built gnucash for it? Nov 16 19:12:14 maemo Nov 16 19:12:48 I've been trying to avoid it, but all of the other options seem to suck badly in one way or another. Nov 16 19:13:18 Heh Nov 16 19:13:20 alterego: Is there a practical install package? Nov 16 19:13:37 RST38h: you're prolly looking at 20-30mb for a webserver+php depending on the webserver you use Nov 16 19:13:41 beyond that, its just logs Nov 16 19:13:43 RST38h: Not sure, I remember seeing php and lighttpd Nov 16 19:13:49 * RST38h suddenly got agitated thinking of implementing an Ovi Suite replacement as a web page Nov 16 19:14:05 RST38h: Don't worry, keep taking the tablets. Nov 16 19:14:27 * SpeedEvil sighs. Nov 16 19:14:52 People that use the word 'free' to refer to price in any advert in large print should be compelled to give away that item at no extra charge whatsoever. Nov 16 19:15:21 'nokia n8. Free from 25 pounds/month' Nov 16 19:16:05 Added accuract graph: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/columbus/Screenshot-20101116-190052.png Nov 16 19:16:21 Just gonna fix the speed/heading fonts and I've finished that displap. Nov 16 19:17:12 ~display Nov 16 19:17:13 Continuously redisplay output in a terminal window. URL: http://www.ipsmart.com/src/ Nov 16 19:17:41 alterego: Does this now to gpx logging? Nov 16 19:18:16 I've not implemented it yet, but it will, I just have to write the GPX serializer. Nov 16 19:19:08 It'll stream over bluetooth and network too if you want it to. Nov 16 19:19:14 Or just save to a file. Nov 16 19:19:31 (I've only implemented NMEA so faR) Nov 16 19:26:05 noobmonk3y: You need to edit your .pro Nov 16 19:26:18 oooo k Nov 16 19:26:39 Two lines, near the bottom Nov 16 19:26:49 2nd and 4th to be exact ;) Nov 16 19:26:54 s/maemofiles/data/ Nov 16 19:26:59 ahhhhhhhhh Nov 16 19:27:07 desktop.files += maemofiles/maecount.desktop Nov 16 19:27:12 icon48.files += maemofiles/maecounticon.png Nov 16 19:27:22 ;) Nov 16 19:27:39 ty! Nov 16 19:27:51 Thank me if it works :P Nov 16 19:28:04 will do, thank you v much! Nov 16 19:32:26 ooo one more question Nov 16 19:32:39 Hi Nov 16 19:32:44 normalli type mad dpkg... etc in terminal, but to get that working i had to ad mad path, to $path Nov 16 19:32:50 after a reboot it's gone! Nov 16 19:32:57 anyway to add it to $path permanently? Nov 16 19:33:49 Yeha, edit your ~/.profile file Nov 16 19:39:28 Hi, I noticed that on the N900 the home partition is mounted with data=writeback and commit=1. Would the default ordered not be securer and as fast as writeback with a sync interval of 1 sec? Nov 16 19:39:54 order is not guaranteed with mmc Nov 16 19:40:16 no write barrier Nov 16 19:41:45 You mean that the files maybe are not written to the mmc before the metadata in the journal is updated? Nov 16 19:42:44 yes Nov 16 19:43:25 mmc does poorly understood 'stuff' behind the scenes. Nov 16 19:43:47 It's in principe possible than nokia asked, and was told what this stuff was, and has picked the optimal mount options. Nov 16 19:44:03 It's also possible that this was copied from somewhere with no understanding. Nov 16 19:49:17 alterego: sent to autobuilder :0 Nov 16 19:49:58 :) Nov 16 19:53:38 build successfull! (crossing fingers!) Nov 16 19:53:39 Is ordered still not better since it atleast tries to write the data before it updates the journal? Nov 16 19:54:07 As on writeback the data can be commited much later. Nov 16 19:55:00 I dunno Nov 16 19:55:25 I would like to imagine that nokia has a whole building of people with a clue, who have investigated this. Nov 16 19:55:47 But I would like to imagine that there is no war, and unicorns roam the land too. Nov 16 19:59:29 I hope that too. But how the filesystems are checked for an error is ridiculous: grep -q "/home ext3 ro" /proc/mounts in rcS-late Nov 16 19:59:44 :/ Nov 16 20:01:34 hi Nov 16 20:01:39 right at this moment I have an n900 here which is constantly using 13% cpu for its pulseaudio process (draining the battery very fast, obviously) ... I'm a sw devloper, so I could help you in debugging it if you give me some hints.. Nov 16 20:02:30 the bug seems to be triggered through a widget I programmed, but according to its debug logfile its doing nothing (especially NOT calling any phonon calls which might trigger actions in pulseaudio) Nov 16 20:03:56 Is any sound playing? Nov 16 20:04:23 heh, goliath, isn't the problem always just "pulseaudio" with linux ;) Nov 16 20:04:58 SpeedEvil: nope Nov 16 20:05:26 tugrik: there was a time I had to disable it on my desktop, yes Nov 16 20:05:50 I will linger a bit more in the channels and try to Nov 16 20:06:02 meanwhile - witter and khweeteur just crash for me, any suggestions on another twitter client, or should I just browse to the website? Nov 16 20:06:03 What does your widget do? Nov 16 20:06:24 can you attach strace to the process Goliath23 ? Not that you won't have thought of that already, just wondering if the n900 can handle it Nov 16 20:06:33 try NOT to end the process. If someone shows up who knows how to debug this, I'm glad to help (install debug symbols, stepping in with gdb, etc) Nov 16 20:07:01 alterego: google for buliscores. it shows live soccer results Nov 16 20:07:30 tugrik: man strace Nov 16 20:09:03 Oh, nothing important then :P Nov 16 20:09:05 Goliath23: what release ar eyou using? Nov 16 20:09:13 i don't expect a reference to the n900 in the man page jacekowski :P Nov 16 20:09:16 SpeedEvil: pr 1.3 Nov 16 20:10:59 SpeedEvil: the bug occured last week again. I usually work on the widget on weekends. maybe it has something to do with the time the widget is runnning. but as I said, I have qDebug() statements in the functions that call QPhonon (audio) related stuff, and those are not beeing called right now Nov 16 20:11:13 so I really suspenct an error n maemo / pulseaudio here.. Nov 16 20:11:59 tugrik: it's same on all platforms Nov 16 20:12:04 tugrik: or in strace --help Nov 16 20:12:05 no clue Nov 16 20:12:20 usage: strace [-dffhiqrtttTvVxx] [-a column] [-e expr] ... [-o file] [-p pid] ... [-s strsize] [-u username] [-E var=val] ... [command [arg ...]] Nov 16 20:12:30 -p pid -- trace process with process id PID, may be repeated Nov 16 20:12:47 and that is last and first time i spoonfed you Nov 16 20:13:04 ah, I see what you mean :) I was wondering if the n900 is fast enough for you to run strace on a process though... Nov 16 20:13:04 alterego: I can confirm the bug in Media-IM Nov 16 20:13:25 tugrik: it's more than enough Nov 16 20:13:30 tugrik: you can run strace on everything Nov 16 20:13:43 tugrik: unless you want to trace program that only does system calls Nov 16 20:13:48 trumee: okay, I'll have a look into it, it's about time I made a new release ;) Nov 16 20:14:04 alterego: that will be great. Nov 16 20:14:27 jacekowski: will try for a few seconds. at least the manpage states, that it can detach cleanly again Nov 16 20:14:41 alterego: Problem is that even when device is offline, any song change in media-player kicks in the wifi connection wizard. Nov 16 20:15:05 alterego: If you could add album support in Music, that will be cool too. Nov 16 20:15:10 ls Nov 16 20:15:28 Nokia-N900:~# apt-cache search strace Nov 16 20:15:29 Nokia-N900:~# Nov 16 20:15:35 uhm, no strace on n900? Nov 16 20:15:42 there is Nov 16 20:15:45 or is the package named something else? Nov 16 20:15:47 just not in normal repo Nov 16 20:15:50 you need tools repo Nov 16 20:15:50 Goliath23: there is one in tools repo Nov 16 20:15:53 and extras devel Nov 16 20:15:58 and extras testing Nov 16 20:16:02 I have extras-devel activated Nov 16 20:16:05 testing as well Nov 16 20:16:46 darn waiting for a package getting to HAM is like waiting for xmas pressies Nov 16 20:16:51 Goliath23: you need tools Nov 16 20:17:05 noobmonk3y: use fapman Nov 16 20:17:27 meh, wanna see what the every day user see's, testing my crappy packaging Nov 16 20:19:02 How can I check the home partition (mount count over 500) mount -o remount,ro /home; e2fsck -pf /dev/mmcblk0p2; mount -o remount,rw /home ? Nov 16 20:20:00 tobis87: don't remount it to rw after fsck Nov 16 20:20:08 tobis87: you have to reboot after that Nov 16 20:20:35 jacekowski: Ok, have you done it once? Nov 16 20:20:56 no Nov 16 20:21:00 not on a phone Nov 16 20:21:22 but thing is that kernel will keep cache of old data structures that may have moved after fsck Nov 16 20:22:02 good to know, I do this with remount also the first time. Nov 16 20:23:50 how can I install debug symbols for the pulseaudio process on the n900 to get proper backtraces? Nov 16 20:24:05 alterego: :| not appearing in app menu :| Nov 16 20:24:56 and no desktop file where it should be :| Nov 16 20:25:14 oh ffs think i know why Nov 16 20:25:25 should desktop.files += data/maecount.desktop be desktop.files += ./data/maecount.desktop ?? Nov 16 20:27:13 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2637_video Nov 16 20:43:22 noobmonk3y: When you've created the .deb file, use dpkg -x package.deb ./tmp Nov 16 20:43:36 To unpack the .deb and make sure everything is where it should be. Nov 16 20:51:26 oh alterego didnt know that! Nov 16 20:51:34 ok ok Nov 16 20:51:37 will do Nov 16 21:02:48 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/16/wafaa_bilal_and_his_headcam/ Nov 16 21:13:42 good morning Nov 16 21:22:46 hi Nov 16 21:23:00 hey noobmonk3y :) Nov 16 21:23:33 noobmonk3y, were you able to solve your packaging issue? Nov 16 21:28:45 hey Venemo_N900!! Nov 16 21:29:00 not quite Nov 16 21:29:07 it's building now though! Nov 16 21:29:10 yay! Nov 16 21:29:38 only problem is the icon isn't appearing on the desktop :) - alterego helped me out and showed me some issues, but still not resolved Nov 16 21:30:10 noobmonk3y: okay Nov 16 21:30:21 noobmonk3y: I'll be getting home soon Nov 16 21:30:22 sooo close ;) Nov 16 21:30:27 ooo on the train again? ;) Nov 16 21:30:38 noobmonk3y: I may take a look at your stuff if you wish Nov 16 21:30:45 noobmonk3y: no, just metroed home from work Nov 16 21:30:49 lol :P Nov 16 21:31:06 noobmonk3y: it is 15 minutes walk from here Nov 16 21:31:22 :) Nov 16 21:32:19 I think I found an issue with Modest Nov 16 21:32:37 only one? :P Nov 16 21:33:31 my display name is set to Kristóf Timur (last name and firstname separated with a space) Nov 16 21:34:05 yet it displays as KristófTimur (without space) at the recipients Nov 16 21:34:56 this annoys me. Nov 16 21:35:09 lol Nov 16 21:35:13 noobmonk3y: there's a bug in hildon that stops icons from appearing straight after installation Nov 16 21:35:16 maybe it's recommending a new name? Nov 16 21:35:22 ahhh aware of that Nov 16 21:35:28 noobmonk3y: what new name? Nov 16 21:35:36 but not a bug that stops the actual program from not appearing Nov 16 21:35:59 KristófTimur not Kristof Timur, i assume? Nov 16 21:36:13 alterego: for once, i admit user error ;) Nov 16 21:36:23 just don't let docscrutinizer hear that lol Nov 16 21:36:44 noobmonk3y: well I'm fine with my name as it is Nov 16 21:36:48 If you restart your N900 it'll show up, there's also some weird magic with touching certain files and directories in some specific order but I forgot how PP Nov 16 21:36:49 hehe Nov 16 21:36:58 will test! Nov 16 21:37:21 alterego: are you talking about the blue background issue? Nov 16 21:37:39 Yessir Nov 16 21:37:51 ahhh aware of that one, but in my case, maecount does not appear at all Nov 16 21:37:51 alterego: that bug should have been solved in pr1.2 Nov 16 21:37:59 Venemo_N900: as partially Nov 16 21:38:00 should have :P Nov 16 21:38:01 *was Nov 16 21:38:29 hehe Nov 16 21:38:49 you should know, bugs are never fixed just *WONTFIXED ;) hehe Nov 16 21:39:24 lol, yeah Nov 16 21:39:26 for Maemo anyway Nov 16 21:39:31 ;) lol Nov 16 21:40:42 did you notice that all of the won'tfix blahblah on BMO now tells that bug reports on MeeGo are extremely welcome? Nov 16 21:40:59 lol nope :P Nov 16 21:41:22 Venemo_N900: Almost finished now :) http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/2010-11-16/Screenshot-20101116-190052.png Nov 16 21:41:39 alterego: with your app? Nov 16 21:41:40 have to admit, i'm on the fringe tbh, i do really try, but struggling to understand alot that goes on... just simple things like building a package are really complex! Nov 16 21:41:44 m'hmm Nov 16 21:41:52 :) Nov 16 21:42:01 it doesnt put me of using meego/maemo, but really puts me off coding Nov 16 21:42:18 i suppose i'm not a developer by trade though Nov 16 21:42:27 alterego: how about writing an app that makes packaging the right way? Nov 16 21:42:42 Venemo_N900: thinking of doing that, but probably a web based one :p Nov 16 21:42:50 got a linux VS, so could do lol Nov 16 21:42:54 I decided to cycle to work today Nov 16 21:43:02 ooo crashanddie nice Nov 16 21:43:12 noobmonk3y: problem is, they're quite disjoint, and you're using different things all mixed together, so it makes the complexity even more so ;) Nov 16 21:43:18 yeah :| Nov 16 21:43:19 I mean, I do it more than that, but today was really cold... 100kph winds, all that stuff Nov 16 21:43:27 Khertan_: did a great job with py2deb etc Nov 16 21:43:58 bu even reading MohammadAG and jabba's packaging guides, there are sooooooooo many variables its tough Nov 16 21:44:00 on my way back, the cold really got to me. I have a heart rate monitor, at some point it went haywire Nov 16 21:44:33 Venemo_N900: still don't know if I want to release it for free or put it on Ovi, I could really do with the cash tbh :/ Nov 16 21:44:38 unfortunatley and not an excuse i'm used to windows, ... VS, VB etc... and well, build = build :P Nov 16 21:44:45 my skin temperature dipped under 26C Nov 16 21:45:03 lol crash! Nov 16 21:45:15 I just spent about 2 hours in a cold bath trying to get my temperature back up, had EMT at the house and everything Nov 16 21:45:34 I know why I Nov 16 21:45:51 aGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Nov 16 21:45:53 my best mate just text me "Getting the new HTC Mozart phone, heard any reviews!!!!" Nov 16 21:45:57 s/why I/why I'm not a doctor. I would never tell someone who's cold to get in a cold bath/ Nov 16 21:45:58 crashanddie_ meant: I know why I'm not a doctor. I would never tell someone who's cold to get in a cold bath Nov 16 21:46:09 lol :P Nov 16 21:46:15 crash, less cycling, more wine Nov 16 21:46:40 noobmonk3y: mythbusters disproved the fact that alcohol helps with cold Nov 16 21:46:49 it actually makes it worse, according to them Nov 16 21:46:54 crashanddie try and tell my liver that Nov 16 21:47:47 I spent 3.5 hours in traffic jam today! yay! - guess what i saw in the last 15 minutes! - http://pi.pe/-9dlpto Nov 16 21:47:48 i found bug in ftop Nov 16 21:47:53 htop* Nov 16 21:48:07 and noticed some stuff about oom_killer Nov 16 21:48:31 jacekowski:~# cat /proc/`pidof a.out`/oom_score Nov 16 21:48:31 34359305313 Nov 16 21:48:41 jacekowski: are you speaking geek? Nov 16 21:48:48 alterego: well just release it to ovi Nov 16 21:48:58 alterego: cash in Nov 16 21:49:02 alterego: release what? Nov 16 21:49:04 PID USER PRI NI VIRT RES SHR S CPU% MEM% TIME+ Command Nov 16 21:49:04 23266 jacekows 20 0 175921860?@????? \ 514M 376 S 0.0 6.4 0:01.04 ./a.out Nov 16 21:49:15 ok jacekowski is morphing into infotbot....... Nov 16 21:49:32 noobmonk3y: his app! Nov 16 21:49:51 what is it? lol Nov 16 21:49:53 My Â"Columbus Navigation Tool" basically it's a GPS app in a similar vein to old school handheld GPS devices. Nov 16 21:50:00 oo nice :0 Nov 16 21:50:03 noobmonk3y: that's illegal Nov 16 21:50:05 i say ovi' it ;) Nov 16 21:50:12 noobmonk3y: playing with your phone while drigin Nov 16 21:50:20 driving Nov 16 21:50:20 jacekowski: technically, sitting still Nov 16 21:50:55 but yes still illegal :P lol....... but so is doing anything other then singing to the radio, even that should be illegal Nov 16 21:51:06 noobmonk3y: that's M1 isn't it? Nov 16 21:51:15 jacekowski: nope, A27 :P Nov 16 21:51:27 but they all blur into one after a while Nov 16 21:52:53 noobmonk3y: it's bad here as well Nov 16 21:52:56 but not as bad Nov 16 21:53:14 i have to look around winter tyres Nov 16 21:53:40 I use nmon instead of htop. Nov 16 21:53:40 jacekowski: was just one piece of roadworks.... and caused 17 miles of traffic.... was rediculous as there is no other easy way through Nov 16 21:53:50 problem is, its the main road on the south coast Nov 16 21:54:00 was going from Rye to Worthing Nov 16 21:54:14 stay at home Nov 16 21:54:30 jacekowski: i wish, but was doing a presentation to NHS staff of open source IT :) Nov 16 21:54:50 i even wore a suit, hehe Nov 16 21:57:50 pain Nov 16 21:58:12 but what's the point Nov 16 21:58:17 there is only one NHS Nov 16 21:58:24 not true, well true but not Nov 16 21:58:30 they don't have software to use Nov 16 21:58:39 and software they make will be useless to others Nov 16 21:58:46 i work as an IT advisor for the largest mental health trust in the country, and i don't have to follow the rest of the NHS Nov 16 21:58:50 alterego: does it have tracker featue too? Nov 16 21:58:59 we are starting to create our websites with open source Nov 16 21:59:08 Venemo_N900: you mean logging? Nov 16 21:59:27 and our clinical patient app is now developed inline with 8 other trusts, using open source basis Nov 16 22:00:12 we are moving some servers to linux, and i'm using open cource video conferencing / jabber apps :P Nov 16 22:00:15 so i'm getting there Nov 16 22:00:23 but there is only 1 me, hehehe Nov 16 22:00:27 ekhm Nov 16 22:00:29 jabber Nov 16 22:00:34 at work place Nov 16 22:00:36 our IT support is outsourced and they hate me, but i'm their lead customer lol Nov 16 22:00:44 jacekowski: personalised, and working fine :) Nov 16 22:00:55 alterego: yeah Nov 16 22:00:58 and yes slightly limited, but great in a team environment Nov 16 22:01:11 noobmonk3y: so it's open source that software of yours Nov 16 22:01:14 noobmonk3y: can i have copy Nov 16 22:01:35 jace :) - i'd assume so :0 Nov 16 22:01:41 <--- not mine, tis the other geeks Nov 16 22:01:43 ok, send it to me Nov 16 22:01:45 but tis open Nov 16 22:02:00 i'm the advisor, not the designer lol :p - but i'm sure it's somewhere Nov 16 22:02:28 can the N900 use its cellular connection while it is being tethered? Nov 16 22:02:47 by advisor you mean, you have no idea how computer work? Nov 16 22:02:52 and you live off somebody else work? Nov 16 22:02:54 Venemo_N900: good question, and yes, worked for me Nov 16 22:03:00 jacekowski: ? Nov 16 22:03:15 Venemo_N900: it can log to file, over bluetooth and via tcp or udp Nov 16 22:03:32 noobmonk3y: i have very bad experience with, all consultants/managers/advisors Nov 16 22:03:37 lol :P Nov 16 22:03:41 fair enough Nov 16 22:03:51 Ok, should explain where i came from and what i actually do :p Nov 16 22:03:53 noobmonk3y: i mean, these are ussualy non technical people that have way to much influence on everything compared to what they know Nov 16 22:04:21 and i have one of worst cases at work Nov 16 22:04:36 i was a techy, and worked in networks, engineers, and db design....... the customer though t they where being fobbed of by their IT department (Out sourced) as where i work, i am the only techy, so i and the advisor, ie, translator Nov 16 22:04:49 i assist them in translating what they want into what the techys think they want lol Nov 16 22:05:34 i've got a degree, blah blah, msce, and some other randoms.... but also about 14 years in It, ok, so not great compared to some :) - but i have a reasonably wide range (barr linux, which i'm getting there slowly with) Nov 16 22:05:50 degree doesn't matter Nov 16 22:05:54 true :p Nov 16 22:05:55 B-Ark people? Nov 16 22:05:58 experience helps though Nov 16 22:06:51 BCMM: hitchikers? Nov 16 22:06:55 of course Nov 16 22:07:09 :p Nov 16 22:07:35 I should really learn how to write Qt API docs Nov 16 22:07:43 anyway, job is fun - and enjoyable, kinda a go-between and i get to be creative :) Nov 16 22:08:44 i have to build stuff Nov 16 22:08:48 and play with latest toys Nov 16 22:08:57 well, make stuff Nov 16 22:08:58 :p Nov 16 22:09:02 hehe have fun Nov 16 22:11:16 and i blew a fuse in my meter today Nov 16 22:11:32 it's almost new meter Nov 16 22:11:41 and it's first fuse i blew in a meter Nov 16 22:11:54 and i was doing stuff for many years before that Nov 16 22:12:50 can the N900 use its cellular connection while it is being tethered? Nov 16 22:13:01 sry Nov 16 22:13:05 yes Nov 16 22:13:08 alterego: nice :) Nov 16 22:13:16 sorry, accidental repeat Nov 16 22:13:26 read it the 1st time Nov 16 22:19:01 * lardman thinks he should take his Python embedding questions to the ml Nov 16 22:21:26 does Appwatch work? I just get empty results for everything except the repository graph Nov 16 22:51:13 johnsu01: appwatch? Nov 16 22:53:17 crashanddie_: yes, the program called AppWatch Nov 16 22:53:52 it really sucks when you have to google the name of something because people won't bother including a small description Nov 16 22:54:46 crashanddie_: if you're not already familiar with it then I wouldn't expect you to be able to answer whether it's expected to work Nov 16 22:55:07 well piss off then Nov 16 22:57:40 johnsu01: considering the latest version is from january, and there have been major upgrades to the system since then (more specifically, PR1.2 and 1.3), and teling from tmo that the current version didn't handle the Qt version shipped with 1.1, I'm not really surprised it's dead. Nov 16 22:58:00 johnsu01: also, it still looks to be in -devel, so no support can be provided, really. Nov 16 22:59:45 Your best bet is to contact the owner and see what's what. He's in IRC sometimes (achipa), but you should be able to get his email address from the mailing lists. This being said, I haven't seen achipa for quite some time, his twitter feed has been inactive since 26th October... Nov 16 23:00:15 johnsu01: was that enough of an answer or do I really need to ban you from this channel? Nov 16 23:00:53 DocScrutinizer: where is infobot and what did you do to him? Nov 16 23:01:47 her* Nov 16 23:02:03 she! serves my private purposes Nov 16 23:03:18 MohammadAG: seen the above? Nov 16 23:03:28 infobot: bark Nov 16 23:03:29 * infobot barks, like a rabid dog. Nov 16 23:03:36 MohammadAG: that's what I call "handsome trolling", I'm currently writing a book about it. Nov 16 23:03:41 crashanddie_: very thorough, thanks :) a ban though, really? Nov 16 23:03:58 johnsu01: hardly, I'm just a dick, ignore my empty threats Nov 16 23:04:07 and I'm ill Nov 16 23:04:12 which doesn't help my stupid temper Nov 16 23:04:30 ~seen achipa Nov 16 23:04:31 achipa <~attila@Maemo/community/council/achipa> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 12h 29m 32s ago, saying: 'sip version ?'. Nov 16 23:04:32 crashanddie_: okay, no worries, and thanks for doing the investigation, way more than I was expecting ;) Nov 16 23:04:44 there you go, he was here 4 days ago Nov 16 23:04:56 so he just stopped tweeting, MohammadAG, you know if he's in Dublin? Nov 16 23:05:11 GAN900: is achipa with you guys? Nov 16 23:05:43 11PM over there, they're probably in a drinking contest with dneary :P Nov 16 23:06:13 crashanddie_, yes, he is Nov 16 23:06:22 ah, ok Nov 16 23:06:39 so there you go, johnsu01, you even know his location. Tomorrow morning he'll be in conference room number... Nov 16 23:06:42 3! Nov 16 23:07:17 crashanddie, am I a reference to the people who are (not) going? Nov 16 23:07:29 pretty much mate Nov 16 23:07:42 so you're getting me the bike you promised me? Nov 16 23:07:43 you've been beating yourself for ages for not going Nov 16 23:07:50 I never promised a bike Nov 16 23:07:58 I was going for good headphones Nov 16 23:07:59 crashanddie_: time to get on a plane I guess! Nov 16 23:08:17 lies, you told me to piss off, which translates to "you got it" Nov 16 23:08:47 I'm pretty sure you have a little notebook with a handdrawn map of the meegoconf facilities on which you project people's locations using a USB-driven projector. Nov 16 23:09:21 next year i'll get that implanted into my head Nov 16 23:09:25 maemo 7's times Nov 16 23:09:50 MohammadAG: maybe in your third world country the fascist government has pressurised Google to make "piss off" translate to "you got it", but really, I'm sorry I have to break it to you, it doesn't quite mean that. Nov 16 23:10:20 How many religions did I just insult by saying that? Nov 16 23:10:29 budhism Nov 16 23:10:39 that's about it Nov 16 23:10:52 maybe judism too Nov 16 23:11:08 judaism you racist Nov 16 23:11:19 anyways, i no longer want a bike Nov 16 23:11:27 * crashanddie_ closes ebay Nov 16 23:11:31 drumset please :P Nov 16 23:11:34 crashanddie_: so how you would you translate piss off Nov 16 23:11:47 crashanddie_: and how would that be different to fuck off? Nov 16 23:11:57 jacekowski: nope, that's exactly it Nov 16 23:12:09 thing is that it isn't Nov 16 23:12:10 so you piss when you fuck? Nov 16 23:12:19 :P Nov 16 23:12:30 MohammadAG: yeah, something oozes out of your peepee after a while Nov 16 23:12:35 MohammadAG: you'll discover this soon enough Nov 16 23:12:54 LOL asshole Nov 16 23:13:17 now about the drumset :p Nov 16 23:13:28 well, I have two in the garage Nov 16 23:13:35 i can haz one? Nov 16 23:13:41 only if you pay the shipping Nov 16 23:13:51 how much do they weigh :P Nov 16 23:13:57 it will cost fortune from UK to IL Nov 16 23:14:00 you said "one" Nov 16 23:14:05 jacekowski: I'm in FR Nov 16 23:14:12 but yeah, same difference Nov 16 23:14:13 it will still cost fortune Nov 16 23:14:13 one drum_set_ Nov 16 23:14:31 MohammadAG: the set must be about I dunno... 40kg or something? Nov 16 23:14:34 look, I'll pay for the drums, you pay for the shipping Nov 16 23:14:42 we have a deal Nov 16 23:14:44 but it's going to be huge Nov 16 23:14:46 in a logged channel Nov 16 23:14:52 so they will take it by size probably Nov 16 23:14:52 * MohammadAG gets his lawyer Nov 16 23:14:53 MohammadAG: 5 grand, euros. Nov 16 23:14:59 for the cheaper one Nov 16 23:15:06 wtf?! Nov 16 23:15:26 crashanddie_: WTF? Nov 16 23:15:39 5 grand for bits of steel? Nov 16 23:15:54 with rubber Nov 16 23:15:57 erhm Nov 16 23:16:00 steel? Nov 16 23:16:03 really guys? Nov 16 23:16:08 bras Nov 16 23:16:26 brass* Nov 16 23:16:33 no, wood Nov 16 23:16:44 wood is cheaper than steel Nov 16 23:17:32 I have a DW collectors series from 2004, magenta/black finish Nov 16 23:17:32 * MohammadAG waits for wood jokes Nov 16 23:18:14 brand new drumkit from tesco Nov 16 23:18:17 £250 Nov 16 23:18:37 * MohammadAG buys a rock band drumset Nov 16 23:18:40 heh Nov 16 23:18:50 my drumheads are more expensive than that :P Nov 16 23:18:57 * MohammadAG waits for the pro instruments Nov 16 23:19:04 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.33718 Nov 16 23:19:08 most expensive one in shop i found is under 1k Nov 16 23:19:10 would this work with n900? :/ Nov 16 23:19:19 that's not a drumkit Nov 16 23:19:35 oh and Orange JO is a fucking rip off Nov 16 23:19:37 it should Nov 16 23:19:49 Gh0sty: it should Nov 16 23:19:53 they dectivated my internet plan from summer, then raped my credit Nov 16 23:20:50 hey... don't suppose anyone know where the left/right audio controls are? Nov 16 23:21:07 or maybe a way to get mono output from the headphone jack? Nov 16 23:21:22 Lanta|N900: separate the vol controls Nov 16 23:21:25 i looked at alsamixer but it seems to be missing Nov 16 23:21:41 doc? Nov 16 23:21:53 vol is a 2 controls set Nov 16 23:21:55 Lanta|N900: you need one channel or mixed channels? Nov 16 23:22:24 id like the two channels either mixed into left or right ear Nov 16 23:22:24 at least it should be Nov 16 23:22:47 hmm, that's a bit more abitious Nov 16 23:22:47 pulse should be able to mix them Nov 16 23:22:48 doc: alsamixer just shows pulse audio as one without left/right Nov 16 23:23:01 Lanta|N900: ignore alsamixer Nov 16 23:23:03 fsck PS Nov 16 23:23:05 Lanta|N900: play with pulse Nov 16 23:23:10 use card 0 ALSA Nov 16 23:23:19 PA Nov 16 23:23:31 ok translation to something I can click/type? Nov 16 23:23:43 pulseaudio Nov 16 23:23:58 but pulseaudio is already running Nov 16 23:24:09 then load plugins Nov 16 23:24:15 and configure them Nov 16 23:24:19 what plugin and how Nov 16 23:24:33 google.com Nov 16 23:24:40 alsamixer -c 0 Nov 16 23:24:47 yup, you don't know... thanks Nov 16 23:24:55 yeah Nov 16 23:25:05 i know it can do it Nov 16 23:25:09 but i never done it Nov 16 23:25:31 but i remember seeing list of plugins with one of them being what you need Nov 16 23:25:58 what's up with this boostn900! thread? Nov 16 23:26:11 doc... that looks very promising Nov 16 23:26:33 if only i can remember what key is to lower vol on only one side on alsamixer lol Nov 16 23:26:43 z Nov 16 23:26:50 q Nov 16 23:26:59 that raises it Nov 16 23:27:05 ah Nov 16 23:27:06 one of you is french :P Nov 16 23:27:07 fair Nov 16 23:27:15 Lanta|N900: edit /etc/pulse/daemon.conf Nov 16 23:27:16 MohammadAG: heh Nov 16 23:27:24 Lanta|N900: default-sample-channels = 1 Nov 16 23:27:35 Lanta|N900: 60s on google Nov 16 23:27:50 someone told me that it is possible to do bad things to the hardware by setting things up weirdly in alsamixer Nov 16 23:27:51 was that true? Nov 16 23:28:08 BCMM: yes Nov 16 23:28:13 BCMM: you can melt speakers Nov 16 23:28:20 hmm Nov 16 23:28:22 literally? Nov 16 23:28:24 yes Nov 16 23:28:30 BCMM: audio codec has protections, but these are not enabled Nov 16 23:28:38 and they are doing this stuff in pulseaudio Nov 16 23:28:55 wasting cpu resources Nov 16 23:28:57 so pulseaudio, rather than the audio driver, is responsible for not frying the speakers? Nov 16 23:29:04 yes Nov 16 23:29:08 jace... tried that on my lappy the other day Nov 16 23:29:09 but audio driver CAN do it Nov 16 23:29:09 Q/Z=left chan, E/C=right chan Nov 16 23:29:12 does nlthing Nov 16 23:29:25 Y fuer deutsche Nov 16 23:29:30 also, do you actually literally mean "melt", or did you assume i was using the new/american usage of literally? Nov 16 23:29:56 w/x=both channels Nov 16 23:30:01 jacekowski: you mean the sound driver that is in use could have protection, but it is turned off? Nov 16 23:30:20 BCMM: yes Nov 16 23:30:26 facepalm Nov 16 23:30:29 BCMM: because they implemented it in pa Nov 16 23:30:34 why does the device have PA anyway? Nov 16 23:30:44 for lulz Nov 16 23:31:00 yeah, PA is a barrel of lulz. Nov 16 23:31:07 PA is like a dead baby joke. Nov 16 23:31:42 BCMM: the speakers' coils might melt Nov 16 23:31:57 or the plastic, whatever happens first Nov 16 23:31:57 surely something else would catch fire first? Nov 16 23:32:04 nope Nov 16 23:33:17 * DocAvalanche still feels a lack of beats and rhythms Nov 16 23:33:25 dragly: you about? Nov 16 23:33:50 * MohammadAG gives DocAvalanche a rap cue Nov 16 23:33:59 dragly: assuming you read the history, looks like Python scripting is sorted - as simple as making sure the widget variable wasn't decref'd Nov 16 23:34:27 * DocAvalanche fires up floodland from his N900 Nov 16 23:34:47 where can one download angrybirds? Nov 16 23:34:57 lardman: ovi Nov 16 23:34:58 ~lard crashanddie_ and his drumset Nov 16 23:35:19 meh , she's lazy again Nov 16 23:35:22 jacekowski: it says it doesn't recognise my device Nov 16 23:35:52 baby, you have to cope with that Nov 16 23:36:18 ~useless Nov 16 23:36:18 * infobot starts crying and hides from docavalanche in the darkest corner of the room. :( Nov 16 23:36:36 * lardman worries about what ~lard'ing is Nov 16 23:36:56 ~lart DocAvalanche Nov 16 23:36:56 * infobot cuts DocAvalanche into thin stripes Nov 16 23:37:12 lardman: don't worry, minor misspelling Nov 16 23:37:23 meh my bad Nov 16 23:37:31 ~dict lart Nov 16 23:37:35 Dictionary 'lart' (1 of 2): {Luser Attitude Re-adjustment Tool}. Nov 16 23:37:48 crashanddie_: I'd sort those thin stripes too, perhaps make them strips Nov 16 23:39:20 * lardman thinks about writing an mBarcode plugin to turn geo:// barcodes into Ovi Maps DBus commands Nov 16 23:39:27 ~botsnack Nov 16 23:39:28 DocScrutinizer51: :) Nov 16 23:39:48 * lardman also thinks just how craptastic Ovi Maps is, but it't all we;ve got Nov 16 23:40:33 http://i.imgur.com/fPfzn.jpg Nov 16 23:41:12 night chaps Nov 16 23:41:32 i'm out Nov 16 23:41:34 night lardman|gone Nov 16 23:41:36 hmm Nov 16 23:41:46 dx now sells nokia USB OTG adapters :o Nov 16 23:41:53 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.51045 Nov 16 23:41:56 lardman: no, i also have a paper map, more than 10 years uptime, never crashed, no defects when it falls to the ground,... :) Nov 16 23:42:03 does that even physically fit on a n900? :/ Nov 16 23:42:09 connector looks more squared Nov 16 23:44:01 no Nov 16 23:44:11 the N8's adapter does not fit in the N900 Nov 16 23:44:43 how do those audio jack adapters work in fact? Nov 16 23:44:57 1 extra line enables remote control and things like video out :/ Nov 16 23:45:37 4 pins, one's an identifier, if non existent, assume headphones Nov 16 23:46:03 but that ID how is that done? :/ Nov 16 23:46:10 it sens some kind of code? Nov 16 23:46:19 or an impedance? Nov 16 23:46:48 i think it's just a pulse sent to the headphone Nov 16 23:46:55 ask DocAvalanche / DocScrutinizer51 Nov 16 23:48:09 Gh0sty: just high or low Nov 16 23:48:19 Gh0sty: ah that id thing Nov 16 23:48:51 yes because the original headphones are 4 pins (which has a pickup button and a mic ... Nov 16 23:49:13 then you have the video out which also has 4 pins Nov 16 23:49:20 that 'ID' is the mic pin Nov 16 23:49:24 and this http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.33718 Nov 16 23:49:26 ring Nov 16 23:49:34 yeah ring :p Nov 16 23:49:36 whatever ;) Nov 16 23:49:54 L,R,mic,gnd Nov 16 23:49:57 but how does it determine to send video? :p Nov 16 23:50:28 probing R of mic-gnd Nov 16 23:50:55 and the above link would also be detected correctly? the buttons ... Nov 16 23:52:07 multibutton is still under investigation Nov 16 23:52:23 doesn't work ootb with N900 Nov 16 23:52:27 so that adapter might not work? :/ Nov 16 23:53:30 will not Nov 16 23:53:32 hardware design keeps amazing me :p Nov 16 23:53:55 if 'that adapter' is a multibutton Nov 16 23:54:12 the idea is pretty neath, similar to how PoE works ... detect some R between some line and determine it needs power :p Nov 16 23:54:50 about the video, do you know RCA? Nov 16 23:56:41 who me? Nov 16 23:57:09 yes Nov 16 23:57:13 the connectors and I know what they're for and stuff :p Nov 16 23:57:22 or what do you mean? :) Nov 16 23:57:42 its the same with the 3 channel jack Nov 16 23:59:46 it uses a little serial protocol to retrieve the id on the third channel and acts accordingly Nov 17 00:20:11 http://nokiasaga.com/54-handy-tips-and-tricks-for-nokia-n900 Nov 17 00:23:01 nicely edited Nov 17 00:27:17 why would anybody suggest laptop_mode=1 on the n900? Nov 17 00:28:34 gee I wonder Nov 17 00:28:57 corecode: They have a very small lap. Nov 17 00:29:06 i guess so Nov 17 00:29:46 * SpeedEvil ponders the ideal computing platform for leprechauns. Nov 17 00:30:25 anything with plenty of BOGompis Nov 17 00:30:35 BOGomips, even Nov 17 00:31:17 Also - that gives the users freedom to run non-interpreted code. Nov 17 00:31:20 C-lover. Nov 17 02:59:33 hmm Nov 17 02:59:47 ~Schoentoon Nov 17 02:59:54 it has been said that schoentoon is the monitor dude **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Nov 17 02:59:57 2010