**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 19 02:59:58 2010 Nov 19 03:00:06 WLAN is wireless local area network, were local means maybe 50m around your private WLAN accesspoint Nov 19 03:00:42 nope, wouldn't. If inotify works Nov 19 03:00:59 Termana: ^ Nov 19 03:01:00 i'm always around wifi Nov 19 03:01:23 DocScrutinizer51: ok thanks Nov 19 03:16:36 DocScrutinizer51 where can I find modified hildon desktop please? Nov 19 03:18:33 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Nov 19 03:19:00 Termana: if you get this to work, let me know please Nov 19 03:21:32 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60599&page=36 Nov 19 03:23:29 ? Nov 19 03:24:55 is this correct? Nov 19 03:24:57 http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/debfiles/matan/hildon-desktop_matan_2.2.140-1+0m5_armel.deb Nov 19 03:25:09 is this modified hildon dekstop? Nov 19 03:25:34 is this modified hildon dekstop? Docscrutinizer Nov 19 03:25:43 hehehe Nov 19 03:26:27 afaik it's the same as the one from my tools page, so probably yes Nov 19 03:27:25 it says incompatibile package Nov 19 03:27:35 can't install it Nov 19 03:29:28 DOOOM! Nov 19 03:29:32 HAHAA Nov 19 03:34:50 you clicked my repo install link, or what? Nov 19 03:35:03 yeqah Nov 19 03:35:05 yeah Nov 19 03:35:08 hehehe Nov 19 03:36:31 what does it do? Nov 19 03:36:53 new repoes for testing! Nov 19 03:36:59 doooom! Nov 19 03:42:07 it just installs the maemo-testing, maemo-devel, and tools repo, automatically Nov 19 03:43:21 which means you'll reflash your device some days later, if you don't know what you're doing Nov 19 03:43:35 i'm a bit confused...skype has an unlimited plan for landlines and mobiles to US and canada. while signing up for it, it asks if i want to ad $5 for skype credit. why would i need credit if i'm getting an unlimited plan? Nov 19 03:44:35 no idea, but I bet skype isn't for free Nov 19 03:45:27 it isn't. it's $2.99 a month Nov 19 03:45:51 also even if calls to those were free, you might want to do calls to other destinations Nov 19 03:46:26 it's supposed to be landlines and mobiles Nov 19 03:46:52 * DocScrutinizer frowns and suggests to reread the contract details Nov 19 03:56:49 mykhal: half the benefit of skype for a lot of users is the ability to call other places cheap. Nov 19 03:58:05 can't i create symbolic links inside MyDocs? Nov 19 03:58:23 no Nov 19 03:58:28 workaround? Nov 19 03:58:52 reformat the emmc to ext Nov 19 03:58:53 doesn't fat support symlinks? Nov 19 03:58:55 no Nov 19 04:00:32 not good :) Nov 19 04:06:03 fat didn't even support subdirectories when it came out Nov 19 04:06:22 that was the coding prowess of microsoft Nov 19 04:06:33 you could buy a machine with a hard drive Nov 19 04:06:41 but you couldn't make subdirectories with MS-DOS Nov 19 04:06:47 no, you needed UNIX for subdirectories Nov 19 04:07:11 yes, microsoft said "all your files go in one directory" Nov 19 04:07:32 ALL OF THEM Nov 19 04:08:53 CPM at least had 16 users :-) Nov 19 04:10:20 but you find root directory of C: cluttered with all kinds of file crap on windows95 still Nov 19 04:11:11 mhm Nov 19 04:11:11 anyway afaik bindmounts work even on FAT Nov 19 04:11:24 had a dual z-dos/cpm machine Nov 19 04:15:24 BS-M (a BS2000 clone) had 6char filenames and also no subdirs. But they gave something to it called libraries, which had a max of iirc 625 files with even longer than 6char filenames inside a virtual dir with a 3 char name. the directory file of such a lib was XYZ.AA nad the real files XYZ.AB..XYZ.ZZ Nov 19 04:16:14 funny stuff Nov 19 04:58:59 i'm having a hard time connecting to my wifi. when i choose my connection, there's a box for 'PIN method'. wtf is that? am i doing something wrong? Nov 19 05:08:00 what security mode are you using. Nov 19 05:29:21 wpa2 Nov 19 08:18:36 shit Nov 19 08:18:40 Nov 19 09:06:04 IroN900 init: flashlight-extra main process ended, respawning Nov 19 08:18:41 Nov 19 09:06:36 IroN900 last message repeated 14 times Nov 19 08:18:55 I'm rather sure I deinstalled it :-/ Nov 19 08:20:33 quite possibly the package had a bug?-) Nov 19 08:29:41 anyone know if running a NFS server on n900 is easy to do? Nov 19 08:35:40 extras-devel has unfs3 server, perhaps it works Nov 19 08:36:03 I'm guessing using sshfs is most often a lot simpler to set up, though Nov 19 08:36:19 (assuming your client is a linux host) Nov 19 08:36:22 true, sshfs didnt occur to me Nov 19 08:36:28 yep, it is Nov 19 08:37:19 ill have to check what happens if you go out of wifi range with a mount active, might consume lots of battery Nov 19 08:37:52 it used to do that if you had a smb share mounted on the n900 and the smb server was unplugged Nov 19 08:38:13 you mean n900 would be the ssh server? Nov 19 08:38:21 I doubt it consumes any (more) battery in that situation Nov 19 08:38:46 for smb it did, i dunno about ssh Nov 19 08:39:08 flux: sshfs in windows works fine too , dunno about OSX though Nov 19 08:39:22 appiah, apparently fuse exists for osx as well Nov 19 08:39:27 but how about solaris? Nov 19 08:39:32 or hp/ux etc ;-) Nov 19 08:39:39 eeh who cares about them :) Nov 19 08:39:53 i think the phone got stuck when the samba share it had mounted dissappered and it kept the phone at high cpu waiting for timeouts Nov 19 08:40:26 psi, so the phone was a smb client? Nov 19 08:41:07 yes Nov 19 08:41:53 mounted at phone Nov 19 08:42:44 so it's be the reverse situation.. Nov 19 08:42:58 (although I wonder that even in that case. perhaps it does many udp retransmissions.) Nov 19 08:43:08 yes, what i want to do with ssh would be the reverse to that Nov 19 08:49:08 flux: thanks, sshfs seems to work great Nov 19 09:06:12 what's the best choice to run on the n810 these days Nov 19 09:06:43 mer is buried right Nov 19 09:07:04 maemo looks kinda ancient when youre using n900 every day Nov 19 09:11:29 maybe you can run the n900 interface over vnc on it! Nov 19 09:20:40 macmaN: Maemo just works Nov 19 09:20:45 which is good enough for me Nov 19 09:20:56 flux: vnc is in the repos iirc Nov 19 09:23:43 timeless_mbp: yeah, sounds about right.. Nov 19 09:26:26 Djeebus be damned Nov 19 09:26:34 Kindle sold out until January Nov 19 09:26:48 And what about Christmas, eh? Nov 19 09:29:50 i saw one of the new kindles... looks nice Nov 19 09:30:21 will keep a competition with tablets methinks Nov 19 09:30:44 err, and amazon.com says kindle is in stock and ready to ship Nov 19 09:31:13 Shipping Method: Priority International Courier (averages 2-4 days) Nov 19 09:31:18 The following items will arrive after December 25, 2010. Nov 19 09:31:23 Estimated delivery date for these 2 items: January 12, 2011 - January 24, 2011 Nov 19 09:31:33 Estimated ship date for these 2 items: January 10, 2011 - January 18, 2011 Nov 19 09:31:52 for US market, it says i can order it now and have it delivered on saturday Nov 19 09:32:37 sucks, badly Nov 19 09:33:02 ieatlint, purchase it for me, send it? Nov 19 09:33:35 hah, don't have anyone in the states better than a random guy on irc? Nov 19 09:34:15 my luv' misbehaves... but now it tastes smells and sticks like wheat-beer with coke :( Nov 19 09:34:39 yeah Nov 19 09:34:39 GAN Nov 19 09:34:46 GAN900, where you at bro? Nov 19 09:35:14 might be cheaper even.. $139 USD for non-3g version Nov 19 09:36:59 ieatlint, well, i'm buying it from the US anyway Nov 19 09:37:21 ieatlint, so they're really just prioritising the shipping country Nov 19 09:37:39 heh, ouch Nov 19 09:41:05 and the kindle sold on amazon.co.uk is UK only... Nov 19 09:41:10 can't ship to France Nov 19 09:41:14 bloody corporate guidelines Nov 19 09:42:43 free 3g forever is half the reason to buy one Nov 19 09:43:06 * MohammadAG slaps crashanddie Nov 19 09:43:13 MohammadAG, wut? Nov 19 09:43:31 I just felt like it Nov 19 09:44:06 (Notice) MohammadAG!*@* added to ignore list Nov 19 09:44:27 took you some time to fake that :P Nov 19 09:46:16 alterego, a nice feature in columbus would be a reminder that it's open Nov 19 09:46:26 I lost half my battery in an hour :P Nov 19 09:46:38 Mohammad: Ovi Maps? :) Nov 19 09:47:21 RST38h, Columbus, alterego's app Nov 19 09:48:57 MohammadAG: how is it supposed to remind you? :P Nov 19 09:49:37 alterego, I'll leave that to you :P Nov 19 09:49:45 Heh Nov 19 09:50:04 I think I'll do nothing :P Nov 19 09:50:18 The GPS indicator should be some indication :P Nov 19 09:50:47 Hey does anyone here have access to files... "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.UK-IRELAND_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin" and "RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.203_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin" ? Nov 19 09:50:49 alterego, I left my phone with columbus running :) Nov 19 09:50:59 basically UK emmc flash and pr 1.3 for uk Nov 19 09:51:25 have it check to see if it's not in view for X minutes, then disable the gps Nov 19 09:51:39 Well, new version isn't as hard on battery, I've finished a sleep mode for when it's not doing anything/idle. Nov 19 09:51:46 For pure data logging. Nov 19 09:54:01 Morning, all Nov 19 09:54:16 morning Jaffa Nov 19 09:58:55 anyone have access to those (I think they're Nokia Care? is it?) files? Nov 19 09:59:27 what about them Nov 19 09:59:43 read up :P Nov 19 10:00:00 Lantizia, okay: "why?" Nov 19 10:00:23 Lantizia, so, what about them? Nov 19 10:00:25 the uk pr 1.3 is not on the tablet-dev nokia download site Nov 19 10:00:38 and neither is the uk emmc which save the hassle of getting the maps after Nov 19 10:01:00 you are not allowed to redistribute the files Nov 19 10:01:08 but obviously the files exist Nov 19 10:02:03 can anyone here put them in their proper place for download perhaps? Nov 19 10:02:55 ask X-Fade I suppose Nov 19 10:04:04 nah, that's really up to Nokia Nov 19 10:04:09 if he has highlight you probably just did Nov 19 10:04:11 lol Nov 19 10:04:38 plus you can click on "Vote for this bug" at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11592 Nov 19 10:04:39 Bug 11592: PR1.3 UK FIASCO firmware image not available for download Nov 19 10:04:52 (but please no "me too!" comments) Nov 19 10:05:09 povbot, it's a bug that gets logged _every_ time there is a new release Nov 19 10:05:11 Lantizia: Error: "it's" is not a valid command. Nov 19 10:06:08 A valid Nokia workaround would be to simply not provide new releases anymore => problem solved Nov 19 10:06:16 I'm resorting to dodgy downloads of Nokia Care EXE's from rapidshare which is not good Nov 19 10:06:44 but at least the installsheild extractor works in wine :S Nov 19 10:06:44 Lantizia, FYI, povbot is a bot :P Nov 19 10:06:49 Mohammad: Sell him CPU time, then buy his app, once he starts selling it through Ovi Store Nov 19 10:08:13 RST38h, lol Nov 19 10:09:09 other than mce, what's reposible for haptic feedback? Nov 19 10:09:42 Lantizia: as I can see RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.UK-IRELAND_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin on the internal Nokia server, can you please file a bug in bugs.maemo.org requesting to also host it on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php ? Nov 19 10:10:20 andre41, is pr 1.3 for the uk also on that server? Nov 19 10:10:38 presumably "RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.203_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin" Nov 19 10:11:27 Lantizia, I have never seen any local variants on that server that I can access Nov 19 10:13:35 andre41, can you fulfil the bug if I log it? Nov 19 10:14:39 Lantizia, no. Nov 19 10:14:50 but Nokians could. Nov 19 10:18:53 Cod Black Ops netted 650M revenue in 5 days Nov 19 10:19:30 That's an average of 2 million copies sold per day Nov 19 10:21:23 crashanddie_: you played it? Nov 19 10:21:31 I finished it :) Nov 19 10:21:47 probably took 10min judging by the game lengths these days ;) Nov 19 10:21:53 what did you think? Nov 19 10:22:12 nha, took me 3 days Nov 19 10:22:17 at about 3h per day Nov 19 10:22:31 story is a bit far fetched Nov 19 10:22:53 it happens in the 60s, but you have laser-scoped guns Nov 19 10:23:05 I've played for a couple of hours, finished a few levels, but my feeling is that no level is ever long enough, you just about get into it and you're off to do something else Nov 19 10:23:15 yeah Nov 19 10:23:42 the only level that was long enough I guess were the vietnam level, and the one in the snow Nov 19 10:24:02 I'm quite disappointed actually, I thought even MoH had better level lengths, and that was far too short and too constrained Nov 19 10:24:23 ps3 or xbox? Nov 19 10:24:26 PC Nov 19 10:24:32 a but see Nov 19 10:24:36 I play on a massive screen Nov 19 10:24:41 which means the levels are bigger for me :D Nov 19 10:24:47 Graphics on Cod aren't all that exciting Nov 19 10:24:59 I've got a 22" monitor, close too me Nov 19 10:25:02 ;) Nov 19 10:25:09 s/too/to Nov 19 10:25:31 well, it's a nice game if you have the money to spend Nov 19 10:25:33 online is heaps of fun Nov 19 10:25:41 zombies is overrated and boring Nov 19 10:25:48 You need time and patience for that, neither of which I have - the online bit Nov 19 10:26:39 it's tryearch :p Nov 19 10:26:51 MohammadAG, you sound like an anti-microsoft fanboi Nov 19 10:27:05 "OMFG It's treyarch, what did you expect??? LOLZ WTF" Nov 19 10:27:19 no, just checking if you really ignored me :P Nov 19 10:27:44 now everyone gets to ignore you Nov 19 10:28:06 and why the hell are you on verizon fios? Nov 19 10:28:33 bouncer Nov 19 10:33:26 I hate tables and views and models Nov 19 10:34:15 lardman: weird, I'm working on that at the moment ^.^ Nov 19 10:34:43 QStandardItemModels and all that stuff Nov 19 10:34:46 :( Nov 19 10:34:55 lardman: How's the mBardcode stuff coming along these days? Nov 19 10:35:04 derf: pretty good Nov 19 10:35:13 derf: got Python scripting working finally Nov 19 10:35:27 I'm implementing a QAbstractTableModel for my GPS logging framework :/ Nov 19 10:35:39 Ever come up with a solution to the image acquisition problem? Nov 19 10:35:42 you done any more dev on zbar? I've not seen any new updates Nov 19 10:35:54 No, I haven't. Nov 19 10:36:12 alterego: the docs are woeful, I just found an example of what I want - adding checkboxes and other odds and sods Nov 19 10:36:22 I think spadix was workng on PDF417, but I don't know if he ever finished it. Nov 19 10:36:33 derf: I'll give him a shout at some point Nov 19 10:39:08 Hmm, apt thinks my mbarcode, which is ancient, is already the newest version. Nov 19 10:39:47 I was trying to use it yesterday, and a) couldn't get the image to focus at any distance, and b) couldn't get it to open an in-focus image taken by the camera app. Nov 19 10:40:03 derf: is this an N900? Nov 19 10:40:09 Yes. Nov 19 10:40:14 extras-devel enabled? Nov 19 10:40:27 Probably just extras. Nov 19 10:40:44 I'm going to push to extras via -testing this weekend Nov 19 10:40:59 Err, probably extras-testing, too. Nov 19 10:41:17 but I did once push to -testing to give more people the chance to use it, but got bored of receiving emails saying this doesn't work, that doesn't work, so just decided to release in extras-devel Nov 19 10:41:22 Yes, both exras and testing, but not devel. Nov 19 10:41:29 derf, repos take priority Nov 19 10:41:45 so 0.3 on repos > 0.4 not on repos Nov 19 10:41:46 enable devel for two ticks and install the new version + plugins, should work a bit better at least ;) Nov 19 10:41:53 lardman: "If we do not answer the phones, maybe they will sotp calling" Nov 19 10:42:06 I did try to remove the version from -testing, but apparently that didn't work Nov 19 10:42:43 lardman: Just ignore trivial reports and reports where they do not tell you what happened Nov 19 10:42:56 RST38h: no, it just annoyed me too much, especially when people were saying "You WILL do this, otherwise you won't get promoted", after I'd stated that the code wasn't looking to be promoted and was still in testing Nov 19 10:43:02 lardman: And joinour asshole club :) Nov 19 10:43:07 yep Nov 19 10:43:26 RST38h, where do I sign up? Nov 19 10:43:33 lardman: Promoting it won't be a problem, don't worry :) Nov 19 10:43:50 Yeah, extras-testing did a good job of pissing me off, too. Nov 19 10:43:51 * RST38h silently counts people who will prmote mbarcode if asked nicely Nov 19 10:44:07 MohammadAG: You already have, judging from your tmo thread... Nov 19 10:44:11 no I'm happy now, but I've just not had much time to do the stuff I wanted Nov 19 10:44:11 * MohammadAG charges by the vote Nov 19 10:44:26 I'm also a bit of a perfectionist hate releasing stuff until it's really finished, etc Nov 19 10:44:28 RST38h, which one :P Nov 19 10:44:40 1028 upgraded, 27 newly installed, 1 to remove and 11 not upgraded. Nov 19 10:44:52 Maybe I won't install -devel's mbarcode. Nov 19 10:45:01 pin it Nov 19 10:45:14 well you should just be able to install mbarcode on its own, it doesn't pull in all that stuff afaiu Nov 19 10:45:28 That was apt-get install mbarcode by itself. Nov 19 10:45:34 oh Nov 19 10:45:38 are you on PR1.3? Nov 19 10:45:44 Of course not. Nov 19 10:45:54 ah, there's your problem Nov 19 10:45:55 Mohammad: modified hildon-desktop and responses to it Nov 19 10:46:06 PR1.3 works fine, I'd just flash it Nov 19 10:46:11 or ota it Nov 19 10:46:16 derf: What do you have against the PR1.3? =) Nov 19 10:46:43 It doesn't fix any problems I have. Nov 19 10:46:59 And I'd rather not introduce the new problems it creates. Nov 19 10:47:01 just update, otherwise you will have troubles installing much of anything Nov 19 10:47:03 Plus, upgrading is work. Nov 19 10:47:20 lardman: Fortunately, I don't install much of anything. Nov 19 10:47:29 derf: you have sb working? Nov 19 10:47:32 derf: It does not require a reflash and does not introduce any new problems that I know of Nov 19 10:47:54 derf: So, relatively safe to upgrade Nov 19 10:48:07 You mean like forcing the CPU to 500MHz while charging? Nov 19 10:48:11 Mohammad's hildon-desktop is still highly recommended on top of PR1.3 Nov 19 10:48:32 derf: Is it bad? =) Nov 19 10:48:34 RST38h: is there a feature list/screenie link for that Nov 19 10:48:35 Anyway, it's the problems I don't know about that I'd like to continue not to know about. Nov 19 10:48:40 derf, any custom kernel reverses that Nov 19 10:48:43 RST38h: I do benchmarking on this thing, so yes. Nov 19 10:48:46 RST38h, yes Nov 19 10:48:52 MohammadAG: See 05:40:06 < derf> Plus, upgrading is work. Nov 19 10:48:54 perhaps I should ask MohammadAG himself Nov 19 10:49:40 derf: but you're half way there with apt-get upgrade, now all you need to do it hit "y" Nov 19 10:49:45 lardman, it's based on the latest sources with scrolling deceleration set to 99 (lowest) Nov 19 10:49:45 derf: Oh Nov 19 10:50:01 so it should fix 1061e Nov 19 10:50:04 grr Nov 19 10:50:04 lardman: Not that I know of Nov 19 10:50:08 so it should fix bug 10613 Nov 19 10:50:09 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/10613 screen glitches on incoming call Nov 19 10:50:18 ah ok Nov 19 10:50:21 as well as the catorize triggered bug Nov 19 10:50:28 lardman: You must come from some imaginary land where these things actually work. Nov 19 10:50:45 i should announce the SSU in its current form, seeing as no one's helping fix the problems it has :P Nov 19 10:50:47 Mine actually works fine, touch wood Nov 19 10:50:52 This is one of the reasons I stopped using Debian. Nov 19 10:51:10 MohammadAG: with a kernel update to fix the 500Mhz issue? Nov 19 10:51:28 Because I _never_ had a single update that touched 100 or more packages actually work. Nov 19 10:51:30 lardman, kernel-power has it reversed Nov 19 10:51:47 does that work with uboot & meego? Nov 19 10:51:47 well, latest one Nov 19 10:51:51 yes Nov 19 10:51:56 and hostmode Nov 19 10:53:47 derf: so the fall back is to grab the sources and build in your PR1.2 scratchbox Nov 19 10:55:49 hmm, that conflicts with uboot apparently Nov 19 11:00:50 hmm, Packages file is nearly 14Mb in size Nov 19 11:01:47 lardman, what conflicts? Nov 19 11:02:12 the kernel Nov 19 11:02:26 at least the one I can see in HAM, just trying apt Nov 19 11:03:06 lardman, kernel-power has uboot in it, you don't need uboot-pr13 or whatever it's called Nov 19 11:04:38 so i need to remove uboot first? Nov 19 11:04:55 * alterego tests his new TelemetryModel class ... Nov 19 11:05:17 it'll overwrite /dev/mtd3 anyways Nov 19 11:05:44 so yes, remove it Nov 19 11:05:52 "pure virtual method called" interesting .. Nov 19 11:06:23 hmm, slightly worrying I just went and installed kernel-power and it removed uboot for me Nov 19 11:06:35 That's good actually. Nov 19 11:06:36 lardman: latest kernel-power doesn't include uboot anymore Nov 19 11:06:37 ;) Nov 19 11:06:38 before installing itself Nov 19 11:06:53 iDont: oh, so do I need to reinstall the flasher app? Nov 19 11:07:03 lardman: bash: qmake: command not found Nov 19 11:07:10 Maybe I won't do that, either. Nov 19 11:07:17 lardma: install versin maemo45 ;) maemo46 had only 2 changed: the remoal of uboot and a bluetooth mouse fix Nov 19 11:07:19 apt-get install qt-dev Nov 19 11:07:21 It shouldn't remove flasher Nov 19 11:07:22 *lardman Nov 19 11:07:35 E: Couldn't find package qt-dev Nov 19 11:07:41 iDont, why did he remove uboot? Nov 19 11:07:44 qt4 perhaps then Nov 19 11:07:45 wow, i've never typed that much spelling errors in one sentence Nov 19 11:07:52 libqt4-dev derf Nov 19 11:08:03 MohammadAG: the changlog says too many people had problems with it Nov 19 11:08:18 and the BT fix is? Nov 19 11:08:20 E: Couldn't find package libqt4-dev Nov 19 11:08:21 MohammadAG: probably because the boot system isn't very user friendly. Nov 19 11:08:38 Here's the changelog: https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=6570 Nov 19 11:08:47 derf, where are you doing that? Nov 19 11:09:43 Oh, hey, I forgot I switched to the Chinook target. Nov 19 11:10:05 derf https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/mbarcode-qt/debian/control?root=maemo-barcode&view=markup Nov 19 11:10:12 list of build depends Nov 19 11:10:38 apt-get build-dep handles that :P Nov 19 11:10:42 MohammadAG: what's the name of the hildon-desktop update? Nov 19 11:10:59 MohammadAG: ah, yet another apt command I don;t know about Nov 19 11:11:54 http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/debfiles/matan/hildon-desktop_matan_2.2.140-1+0m5_armel.deb Nov 19 11:12:07 i don't have a (public) repo to manage updates yet Nov 19 11:12:39 Well, the stuff I was waiting to download finished downloading, so I'm out of time anyway. Nov 19 11:12:41 Yay, my model works perfectly .. Nov 19 11:14:14 Now for the view delegate crap. Nov 19 11:14:17 is navifirm a load of bull? I seem to be able to download the latest UK vodaphone specific PR 1.3 from it - when elsewhere i'm being told it's not released Nov 19 11:14:41 strange, I removed uboot by re-installing kernel-flasher, installed latest power-kernel which I've just been told doens't have uboot, and I get uboot at start again Nov 19 11:15:30 uname -fr Nov 19 11:15:32 uname -r* Nov 19 11:17:24 -a? Nov 19 11:17:36 2.6.28-omap1 Nov 19 11:17:45 Fri Aug 6 2010 Nov 19 11:18:27 that's stock 1.3 Nov 19 11:19:49 Lantizia: why are you bothering about UK releases anyway? Nov 19 11:20:11 because it has not been defined anywhere what you loose by using global Nov 19 11:20:36 Lantizia: nothing Nov 19 11:20:45 well I know that's not true Nov 19 11:20:50 probably some space from extra lang packs Nov 19 11:21:04 apt-get --reinstall install kernel-power=2.6.28-maemo45 kernel-power-modules=2.6.28-maemo45 kernel-power-flasher=2.6.28-maemo45 lardman Nov 19 11:21:06 Lantizia: then share your knowledge Nov 19 11:21:29 all people would flash UK version if it gave any extras Nov 19 11:21:30 chem|st, I've seen at least one additional phone functionality mentioned on a bug tracker - which leads me to think there might be others Nov 19 11:21:37 but without any official word - I just don't know Nov 19 11:21:42 what's that fn? Nov 19 11:21:46 Lantizia: and that feature is? Nov 19 11:21:53 MohammadAG: just going to try to get rid of uboot first Nov 19 11:23:01 something to do with ALS/Line-2 support Nov 19 11:23:08 afaik the fmtx is reduced and the vodafone version is branded but else? Nov 19 11:23:24 read this post if interested... https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6878#c25 Nov 19 11:23:26 Bug 6878: UK Country variant of firmware not available for download Nov 19 11:23:35 no point in interrogating me Nov 19 11:24:17 this navifirm thing seems to download firmware files direct from nokia.com not found on tablets-dev.nokia.com Nov 19 11:24:50 and alterego has pointed out "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.UK-IRELAND_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin" is on some internal server he/she can see Nov 19 11:25:08 andre41* Nov 19 11:25:24 ah yeah! sorry alterego ! Nov 19 11:25:41 Lantizia, navifirm downloads crap from Nokia Software Updater's server Nov 19 11:25:51 MohammadAG, it's crap becaaaause... Nov 19 11:25:56 what's with tonight's theme of "i'm afraid of 1.3"? Nov 19 11:25:56 Lantizia: lol, electronics warranty is EU law and I dont know if just the UK again brake that but replacing a firmware does not void warranty Nov 19 11:26:20 chem|st, I'm not worried about that - it's not my comment Nov 19 11:26:20 Lantizia, i just call shit crap, it's how I roll, you dig? Nov 19 11:26:21 :P Nov 19 11:26:28 just saying Nov 19 11:26:41 MohammadAG, I don't dig... I don't follow Nov 19 11:27:03 I just want the bloody firmware files that would give me what my phone would have if I went in a shop and bought it today Nov 19 11:27:03 lol Nov 19 11:27:08 i.e. UK emmc and UK PR 1.3 Nov 19 11:27:13 it's not that much to bloody ask Nov 19 11:27:20 chill... Nov 19 11:27:42 i wouldn't count on a phone you bought today even having pr1.2, let alone 1.3 Nov 19 11:27:57 * MohammadAG would flash global Nov 19 11:28:04 Lantizia: yes we do not obey gravity Nov 19 11:28:05 UK users always get stuff last anyways Nov 19 11:29:40 MohammadAG, that gets boring - quickly Nov 19 11:30:08 then flash global Nov 19 11:30:19 but the brits are known for how well they patiently wait Nov 19 11:30:32 Lantizia: he is talking about limited support of line-2 features Nov 19 11:32:12 Lantizia: if he is talking about 2 phonenumbers on a sim-card right but I doubt it Nov 19 11:33:39 Lantizia: I live in the UK, use Vodafone and use the Global firmware Nov 19 11:34:17 if you use the features you think are missing then yes wait, but if you don't you could always flash that firmware when it's eventually released if you need the features Nov 19 11:35:28 lardman: wouldn't many people moan about missing features? Nov 19 11:36:18 quite Nov 19 11:37:20 lardman: I'd say all who know about Nov 19 11:37:52 lardman: then all who do recognize the moan would start about why it is not implemented in global and so on Nov 19 11:39:10 well there might be some not-often-used feature missing, that's all I was trying to get across to Lantizia Nov 19 11:39:23 if you're not going to miss it, don't worry Nov 19 11:40:56 heheh "you'll never see a lecturer yawn" Nov 19 11:42:03 bbiab, need to boot Windows Nov 19 11:43:29 does anyone know about ALS in UK fw? Nov 19 11:45:23 The form of motor-neurone disease? Nov 19 11:47:34 SpeedEvil, no, the camera firmware Nov 19 11:47:41 ALS == "Active Light Sampling" Nov 19 11:49:26 chem|st, my point (and the commenters point) is it is hard to know what features of missing if it's not defined anywhere Nov 19 11:50:19 that is an example of something added, who knows what else there is changed specific to UK need Nov 19 11:51:35 I'd rather see ONE firmware for everyone personally! and the start up wizard offers you the chance to delete any stuff you don't need after setup Nov 19 11:52:08 Global... Nov 19 11:52:15 (aka MR0) Nov 19 11:52:26 umm global is not the only one Nov 19 11:53:13 re Nov 19 11:53:45 MohammadAG: when flashing kernel-power, do I need to explicitly flash the modules and flasher too? Nov 19 11:54:05 you only flash the kernel Nov 19 11:54:09 modules are installed Nov 19 11:54:14 flasher flashes the kernel Nov 19 11:54:48 I just saw a strangely named flasher in the repo Nov 19 11:55:19 kernel-power-flasher Nov 19 11:55:28 install it Nov 19 11:56:05 chem|st: What is ALS? Nov 19 11:56:14 You're aware of fcamera? Nov 19 11:59:28 MohammadAG: thanks, all sorted now, (and booted too thankfully ;)) Nov 19 12:00:17 anyone know how I get xsnow as my live wallpaper? Nov 19 12:00:28 * lardman is going all out of frivolity today Nov 19 12:00:41 IIRC you just install it Nov 19 12:00:45 lardman, please don't tell me you're taking your n900 with you to india Nov 19 12:00:51 ah, and select Unknown as the type Nov 19 12:00:58 crashanddie_: yes, why? Nov 19 12:01:02 hmm Nov 19 12:01:20 have you taken a solar charger with you? Nov 19 12:01:40 which area of india are you going to, btw? Nov 19 12:01:41 \o/ Nov 19 12:01:43 no, but the hotel has electricity Nov 19 12:01:52 Delhi Nov 19 12:01:53 wait, there's electricity in India these adys? Nov 19 12:01:54 lardman, if you're lucky Nov 19 12:02:00 Damn, the British really gave 'em too much. Nov 19 12:02:02 Bring a hamster and a dynamo. Nov 19 12:02:08 I have been to india Nov 19 12:02:11 Surfa: I've been there before, I know it does ;) Nov 19 12:02:16 goa I was visiting Nov 19 12:02:26 lardman, sometimes probably :) Nov 19 12:02:43 lardman, my gf grew up near Pondicherry Nov 19 12:02:50 it's not too long ago that in bangalore there were hour or two power shortages in the middle of the day Nov 19 12:03:57 andre41, can you put the UK emmc you found somewhere? since it's just maps that are free and some sample music/videos there no issue is there? Nov 19 12:04:00 Let's hope not, will make ppt quite hard to use Nov 19 12:04:18 lardman, didn't lcuk make a slideshow app for the n900 Nov 19 12:04:21 just plug it in the monitor! Nov 19 12:04:27 "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.UK-IRELAND_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin" Nov 19 12:04:31 Lantizia, sadly, it doesn't work that way Nov 19 12:05:07 the annoying thing is to know it exists, and it's name - but not able to get a copy Nov 19 12:05:17 crashanddie_, I did, but it was not ppt compatible Nov 19 12:05:43 yay lcuk's back :D Nov 19 12:05:49 oh but wait, if there's no power, monitor won't work Nov 19 12:05:57 ... Nov 19 12:06:42 hey MohammadAG \o Nov 19 12:07:02 how was the conf? :) Nov 19 12:08:34 argh, where is my passport, I really need to go to work Nov 19 12:08:59 SpeedEvil: alternate line service Nov 19 12:11:04 MohammadAG, meego conf was awesome Nov 19 12:11:20 rub it in my face :P Nov 19 12:13:07 maybe I should put in the topic? Nov 19 12:20:52 Lantizia: I did not "found it somewhere". I said that it is on the Nokia-internal server. And no, I cannot put it somewhere Nov 19 12:22:01 how helpful :S Nov 19 12:26:55 any idea how to select text in microb or firefox? Nov 19 12:27:16 aep, use the selection cursor? Nov 19 12:27:24 whats that? Nov 19 12:27:35 aep, swipe finger from outside bottom left of screen into the screen Nov 19 12:27:49 aah thanks Nov 19 12:30:52 lolwut, an article describing how to record an instructional dvd has as "tips", "To rest your eyes, try putting things that you have to memorise in Braille" Nov 19 12:36:25 what value of bsi resistor i would need for bl-5c? Nov 19 12:41:38 What license are the hildon/maemo icons under? Nov 19 12:42:32 * alterego is wondering if it's okay to use theme icons in commercial software .. Nov 19 13:04:04 Moo? Nov 19 13:04:27 MOOO Nov 19 13:19:40 alterego: what's new and exciting? Nov 19 13:19:45 what is so combined about the firmware labelled combined? Nov 19 13:20:25 all localizations? Nov 19 13:20:38 RST38h: I'm broke and I need money now? :'( Nov 19 13:21:12 alterego: Hint: Ovi Store is not going to solve that =) Nov 19 13:21:32 Hah Nov 19 13:21:36 RST38h, a guess? Nov 19 13:21:39 alterego, the default UI stuff? Nov 19 13:21:49 alterego, are you shipping the icons in your package? Nov 19 13:21:57 GAN900: well, I use fromTheme function in 1t Nov 19 13:22:04 Qt .. Nov 19 13:22:14 No, not distributing Nov 19 13:22:19 alterego, then it's fine. Nov 19 13:22:54 GAN900: cool, I'm going to have to make sure I think there's no themers' eula .. Nov 19 13:23:32 But like you said, it's not like I'm distributing, I'd be interested to know how this sort of thing works on the desktop. Nov 19 13:31:48 GAN900, got my PM? Nov 19 13:32:46 Hi guys, is anyone using the internal temperature sensor? (cat /sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp/temp1_input) I have the feeling that it's hawfully wrong... Nov 19 13:33:42 nico_: why? Nov 19 13:33:56 It's near the battery btw (i think) Nov 19 13:34:00 nico_: it's not. Nov 19 13:34:05 well, it's 26degree here Nov 19 13:34:06 alterego: it's not Nov 19 13:34:13 and it's reading ""15 Nov 19 13:34:18 nico_: the temperature sensor is officially deprecated Nov 19 13:34:26 Oh heh Nov 19 13:34:26 ... Nov 19 13:34:32 nico_: that is - it's supposed not to be used on the revision of the chip we're using. Nov 19 13:34:41 And hence can give any answer. Nov 19 13:34:42 depecated ? Nov 19 13:34:48 Buggered. Nov 19 13:34:49 ok... Nov 19 13:34:53 i can't make any sound come out of my n900 Nov 19 13:34:56 any idea why? Nov 19 13:34:57 thanks TI :-) Nov 19 13:35:03 BCMM: Hit it with a drum. Nov 19 13:35:16 media player fails with "format not supported", even for regular mp3s it used to play Nov 19 13:35:28 Thanks SpeedEvil Nov 19 13:35:31 mplayer spits some errors and then falls back to ao null Nov 19 13:35:46 volume buttons do not cause the usual OSD to display Nov 19 13:36:04 and i can't make phone calls Nov 19 13:36:10 anyone else experienced this? Nov 19 13:36:23 (i have tried taking battery out) Nov 19 13:36:33 ~flashing Nov 19 13:36:33 it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 19 13:36:45 yeah, i guess Nov 19 13:36:51 but if there was a less dramatic fix, it would be nice Nov 19 13:36:53 I'd guess pulseaudio is buggered somehow Nov 19 13:37:00 also, i just looked properly at the mplayer output Nov 19 13:37:14 "socket(): Address family not supported by protocol" Nov 19 13:37:20 w. t. f. Nov 19 13:37:34 i think that's mplayer failing to communicate with pulse Nov 19 13:37:39 yeah Nov 19 13:37:40 prolly Nov 19 13:37:47 but Nov 19 13:37:49 * imc is tuning a debian on his Archos5... i heard that there is an linux/arm flash version for maemo.. is this true? Nov 19 13:37:50 in a rather worrying way Nov 19 13:39:15 imc: maemo is a smartphone OS from nokia that includes large slices of binaries in key places to make the OS work. Nov 19 13:39:28 er Nov 19 13:39:40 sorry - I should actually read questions. Nov 19 13:39:41 yes Nov 19 13:39:51 speedevil is a bot? Nov 19 13:39:58 okay so i should put my hands on a nokia smartphone to make it spit the binary :P Nov 19 13:40:25 BCMM: Often I feel really shit, and incapable of much. Nov 19 13:40:37 SpeedEvil: sorry to come back with that temp sensor thing, do you have a link to that assesment ? Nov 19 13:40:43 BCMM: in this state, I can often still regurgitate stuff that I've heard, and be somewhat useful. Nov 19 13:40:54 bbl Nov 19 13:41:04 nico_: It is in the TI developer forums. Nov 19 13:41:21 ah Nov 19 13:41:21 SpeedEvil: ok, you pass the turing test now. sorry :) Nov 19 13:41:31 there we go, phone working now Nov 19 13:41:36 SpeedEvil: ok thanks I'll go check that Nov 19 13:41:43 why does taking the sim card out sometimes fix things that just taking the battery out doesn't? Nov 19 13:42:00 nico_: hangon Nov 19 13:42:04 or does it work just by making sure i take the battery out for long enough? Nov 19 13:42:31 maybe because by taking out the sim you take longer :P Nov 19 13:42:52 nico_: no - can't find it Nov 19 13:43:08 SpeedEvil: no pb Nov 19 13:43:22 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_CPU#Summary Nov 19 13:43:29 also - note that it's not in the datasheetr Nov 19 13:45:30 SpeedEvil: not directly, but "based on device activity, modes of operation and temperature"... it implies that you can read it... otherwise no control is possible Nov 19 13:45:44 err - what? Nov 19 13:46:23 the output is somewhat random Nov 19 13:46:32 sometimes it seems to work Nov 19 13:46:59 Ah - right Nov 19 13:47:10 that was a cut and paste largely from the TI spec-sheet Nov 19 13:47:17 yes Nov 19 13:49:22 http://e2e.ti.com/support/power_management/pmu/f/43/p/51967/220255.aspx#220255 Nov 19 13:49:27 I think was what I referred to Nov 19 13:49:32 I went in town for a quick spot of lunch Nov 19 13:50:26 This guy was screaming "The sun will die in 5 billion years, we have to stop using sunlight! Think of our children!!! Close your curtains, wear sunglasses, all the energy we spare the sun will buy them seconds, if not minutes!" Nov 19 13:51:09 nico_: It's certainly rather bogus. Nov 19 13:51:14 nico_: In here it's 7C Nov 19 13:51:17 oh - 8 Nov 19 13:51:21 It's warmed up Nov 19 13:51:26 It's reading 21c Nov 19 13:51:56 SpeedEvil: so it's really 8 and reading 21 ? Nov 19 13:51:59 yes Nov 19 13:52:19 mine reads 12, and I'm in the office Nov 19 13:52:28 that's the opposit error of mine.. Nov 19 13:52:53 crashanddie_: that looks more in line with what I have Nov 19 13:53:04 Also - last I checked, it did not increase when doing md5sum /dev/zero Nov 19 13:53:19 there is a conversion table in the kernel driver Nov 19 13:53:27 that looks weird too Nov 19 13:53:32 Pfff.... Nov 19 13:53:43 I wonder if it's someone measuring it and interpolating Nov 19 13:53:52 as it sometimes outputs random numbers Nov 19 13:54:03 and there's the "raw" value as well Nov 19 13:54:17 afk Nov 19 13:54:45 thanks guys Nov 19 14:03:44 cu later chaps Nov 19 14:12:40 How can I debug my wlan connectivity when it says "Network connection error. Try again?"? Are there logs or console messages I can check? Nov 19 14:20:03 dmesg? Nov 19 14:20:48 Hi, where i find rootstrap for armel for download? Nov 19 14:21:43 BCMM: How can I miss that. I'm reading the messages now. Nov 19 14:22:27 heh, well that's the advantage of #maemo - nobody knows if you're a linux user, so they'll still suggest stuff like that :) Nov 19 14:24:12 pablo2: i am not sure but is http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian any help? Nov 19 14:24:13 BCMM: I haven't a need to look at it that much, on the N900. I was thinking something along /var/log/messages Nov 19 14:24:18 BCMM_: sup Nov 19 14:24:45 ebzzry: most of /var/log doesn't exist Nov 19 14:24:49 which is fair enough really Nov 19 14:25:18 i shouldn't talk to my own phone on irc Nov 19 14:25:30 BCMM: When I found out that /etc/fstab is not used, I wasn't surprised. Nov 19 14:25:41 isn't fstab regenerated on reboot or something? Nov 19 14:26:03 tbh, doing something other than fstab isn't that odd Nov 19 14:26:33 presumably, in usual operation, it's read by any one of several init script depending on distro? Nov 19 14:28:33 Hmm. Anyway, I'd like to hear from the experts what does it mean when it says: "wlan0: authentication with AP a2:c7:..." "wlan0: direct probe to AP: 00:1e:... try 1" (to try 3, then "timed out") Nov 19 14:33:31 hmmm, the camera app on my n900 keeps crashing immediately after start Nov 19 14:33:42 any way to debug this? Nov 19 14:35:32 Anyway, it's fixed now. There's nothing quite like starting from zero. Nov 19 14:36:30 dreamer: reboot worked when i had that Nov 19 14:37:49 BCMM_: hmmm, will try that then, brb ;) Nov 19 14:41:36 BCMM_: nope, still crashes -> operation failed Nov 19 14:46:37 Does Hen work with kernel-power now? Nov 19 14:49:11 hi everyone, i want to connect to an access point on my university, that requires a certification, but when a prompt it on the connection settings, nothing appears. although in my certification manager on settings of n900 they appear all there. How can i select on of them? Thanks in advanced. Nov 19 14:53:42 this is the certificate i have to use in order to connect to my university access point: GTE CyberTrust Global Root. if someone could help me with this, it would be great. Nov 19 14:53:56 Gustavoferreira: in certificates manager you have to set it for use with server and/or wifi in internet connextions the user-cert is left empty Nov 19 14:54:23 how can i do that? Nov 19 14:55:03 Gustavoferreira: tap the cert in the cert manager and tap select purpose Nov 19 14:55:25 on certification manager the only thing i can do is see those certificates or add one. Nov 19 14:55:35 tap on it! Nov 19 14:55:48 it opens details and there is another button Nov 19 14:57:12 it hasn't any button :s Nov 19 14:57:43 you are in settings->certificate manager on n900? Nov 19 14:58:49 yes Nov 19 14:59:42 scroll to the certificate you want to use and tap it once -> a certificate details screen should pop up Nov 19 15:01:02 ftp://ftp.ua.pt/incoming/gustavoferreira/screenshot01.png Nov 19 15:01:04 see what i get Nov 19 15:01:19 no button unfortunatly :s Nov 19 15:01:34 if there is no button it is not a user installed certificate and is in use anyway Nov 19 15:02:20 nothing to do there Nov 19 15:02:53 what is the setup? WPA2 EAP-TTLS? Nov 19 15:03:01 exacly :s but i need this certificate in order to connect to my university access point :x Nov 19 15:03:07 PEAP Nov 19 15:03:08 with mschap Nov 19 15:03:15 let me see Nov 19 15:03:26 Gustavoferreira: the cert is pre installed! Nov 19 15:04:27 Gustavoferreira: it looks like you're missing *your* certificate? Nov 19 15:04:38 mschapV2 Nov 19 15:04:49 so, what should i do? Nov 19 15:04:56 import your certificate on the n900? Nov 19 15:05:14 (just put in on the disk somewhere, and double tap on it from the file manager should work) Nov 19 15:05:20 Corsac: there is no user certificate if mschap is used normaly Nov 19 15:05:24 so this certificate isn't on my n900 right now? Nov 19 15:05:25 oh Nov 19 15:05:51 Gustavoferreira: you got a link to the university IT website? Nov 19 15:05:56 yes Nov 19 15:06:19 pls share Nov 19 15:07:12 Gustavoferreira: waht is your connection setup like? Nov 19 15:07:20 ok, 1min Nov 19 15:07:47 Gustavoferreira: your username has to include the domain name like youruser@yourdomain.uni Nov 19 15:09:39 i know, i did that Nov 19 15:09:39 http://ua.pt/cic Nov 19 15:09:50 it is in portuguese, maybe google translate it to you? Nov 19 15:12:09 http://translate.google.pt/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ua.pt%2Fcic&sl=pt&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8 Nov 19 15:12:19 here it is Nov 19 15:12:29 Gustavoferreira: I know my way around Nov 19 15:12:35 http://www.ua.pt/stic/PageText.aspx?id=11655 Nov 19 15:13:30 they dont give us the certificate, because it seems it is global? like everyone can use it? in ubuntu i just have to go to the certificate folder iand choose it Nov 19 15:13:52 the manual setup shows what you need to do Nov 19 15:14:13 on maemo it is used automatically Nov 19 15:15:02 Gustavoferreira: you setup your connection with SSID eduroam/e-U Nov 19 15:15:15 yes, i used it on ubuntu successfully. but on maemo i fail to get the cerrtificate. Nov 19 15:15:15 network is not hidden Nov 19 15:15:22 yes Nov 19 15:15:46 networkmode infrastructure security WPA with EAP Nov 19 15:15:52 EAP type Nov 19 15:15:52 yes Nov 19 15:15:58 PEAP Nov 19 15:16:07 yes, i already made that too Nov 19 15:16:23 select cert: none EAP method: EAP MSCHAPv2 Nov 19 15:16:31 yes Nov 19 15:16:47 user Gustavoferreira@ua.pt Nov 19 15:16:54 yes Nov 19 15:17:21 advanced settings? Nov 19 15:17:28 yes Nov 19 15:17:44 anonymous@ua.pt? Nov 19 15:18:24 that is the usual setup for eduroam... what is the msg while connection fails? Nov 19 15:18:54 let me see Nov 19 15:22:27 "internet connection failed. it wasn't possible to obtain IP address from the server. Try again?" Nov 19 15:23:03 that does not sound like an authentication problem Nov 19 15:24:13 i once got access to internet from my n900, with this configs, but after a week or so, it just stoped working with this error. Nov 19 15:24:46 but i have never ever choosed a certificate. Nov 19 15:25:25 you do not need to choose one Nov 19 15:25:59 ok, so what do you thing i can do to solve this problem? Nov 19 15:26:00 the installed certificates are used by default, for user installed you have to set for what to use Nov 19 15:26:20 what does wpa_cli tell while trying to connect? Nov 19 15:26:29 as root Nov 19 15:26:59 wpa_cli is a program on shell? Nov 19 15:27:14 it is the wpa_supplicant CLI yes Nov 19 15:27:27 i don't have that installed Nov 19 15:27:33 after a sudo gainroot Nov 19 15:27:37 yes Nov 19 15:27:46 i typed wpa_cli Nov 19 15:28:05 and it said that it wan't found. Nov 19 15:28:11 Gustavoferreira: I do not either... this damn strapped system Nov 19 15:28:45 xD so i haven't no way to debug this connection? Nov 19 15:28:52 what does dmesg|grep wlan0 return? Nov 19 15:29:00 let me see Nov 19 15:30:02 can i paste it here without being considered spam?? Nov 19 15:30:17 Gustavoferreira: use pastebin.org Nov 19 15:30:27 or query me Nov 19 15:30:46 ~paste Nov 19 15:30:46 well, paste is http://pastebin.org/ or http://bin.cakephp.org/ or http://pastebin.ca/ Nov 19 15:31:48 by query you mean PM? Nov 19 15:32:02 /query chem|st Nov 19 15:32:07 i don't know how to use that service :s Nov 19 15:32:09 yes Nov 19 15:32:12 ok Nov 19 15:32:33 by service you mean pastebin or irc? Nov 19 15:34:35 pastebin Nov 19 16:11:47 Hi Nov 19 16:23:19 p Nov 19 16:27:16 me just made an elevator-music with "Please hold, your call is important to us" soundfile Nov 19 16:27:29 Yes, I admit. I'm such a corporate whore. Nov 19 16:32:53 crashanddie_: can I have a copy for my Asterisk server? :) Nov 19 16:33:16 hi Nov 19 16:33:32 mtnbkr, well, it's just for internal usage, so I quickly used a soundfile from YouTube Nov 19 16:33:35 no idea if it's copyrighted or not Nov 19 16:34:18 i didnt get to work nitdroid yesterday and now im trying to overclock n900, as usually i have problems and i need help:) Nov 19 16:37:54 q/quit Nov 19 17:01:13 http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/11/coica-web-censorship-bill/ [ Web Censorship Bill Sails Through Senate Committee | Epicenter-| Wired.com ] Nov 19 17:03:22 Joy. Nov 19 17:10:36 Hi I am trying to install iperf in Linux Nokia-N800-51-3 2.6.21-omap1, apt-get does not find any package and when I try to install it manually I see that that libgcc1 and libstd++6 libraries are below the requirement, can anyone please provide me some help, or something that I must try Nov 19 17:13:58 * NooBmonk3y waves, evening alls! Nov 19 17:17:39 hi NooBmonk3y Nov 19 17:18:12 hey pup! Nov 19 17:18:25 having a good friday? :) Nov 19 17:18:31 could anyone help me with overclocking n900? Nov 19 17:18:51 Hi can anyone please help in 'iperf' installation in my n800 tablet Nov 19 17:20:09 HateBreeder, whats wrong? Nov 19 17:21:56 noobmonk3y, can u help in private? Nov 19 17:22:02 msg me, can try! Nov 19 17:22:12 hi Nov 19 17:22:19 HateBreeder: do you know what happens to phones after overclocking? Nov 19 17:22:22 In which package is tcl.h Nov 19 17:22:29 jophish: tcl Nov 19 17:22:48 hmm. I will try again Nov 19 17:22:57 jacekowski, what you mean? Nov 19 17:23:06 jophish: Nov 19 17:23:07 tk8.5-dev - Tk toolkit for Tcl and X11, v8.5 - development files Nov 19 17:23:07 tcl8.5-dev - Tcl (the Tool Command Language) v8.5 - development files Nov 19 17:23:14 HateBreeder: overclocking is bad Nov 19 17:23:24 I don't think that it is in tcl8.5-dev Nov 19 17:23:27 jacekowski, so is bacon if you try to eat a whole pig in one go Nov 19 17:23:28 I have that installed Nov 19 17:23:29 HateBreeder: it eats battery faster Nov 19 17:23:32 but I am trying tk Nov 19 17:23:56 i heard that it isnt eat soo much... Nov 19 17:24:05 HateBreeder: and lifespan of main SoC gets reduced to about a month Nov 19 17:24:09 HateBreeder: on just 700MHz Nov 19 17:24:30 jacekowski, your a bundle of joy tonight arn't ya ;) hehe Nov 19 17:24:39 your'e, ffs i can't speak english Nov 19 17:25:09 HateBreeder: and now as you know that Nov 19 17:25:14 HateBreeder: do what you want to do Nov 19 17:25:24 HateBreeder: just don't come back saying that your phone is not working anymore Nov 19 17:26:42 HateBreeder: and there are docs published by TI ( manufacturer of SoC ) that back this Nov 19 17:27:12 Quaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak. Nov 19 17:40:10 http://forum.parrot.com/ardrone/en/viewtopic.php?id=259 << looks like AR.Drone linux control/video software might be runnable on Nokia N900 Nov 19 17:43:03 pupnik: device itself is overpriced Nov 19 17:43:12 pupnik: and pretty crap for what you have to pay for Nov 19 17:44:52 Ok, installing maemo community ssu on top of PR1.3: do or don't? Nov 19 17:48:20 jacekowski: i couldn't build one for 299 euro Nov 19 17:48:29 but i'm seeing some of the problems in forums now Nov 19 17:48:33 RST38h, its like russian roulette baby Nov 19 17:48:52 jacekowski, * HateBreeder has quit (Remote host closed the connection) - hmmm, will he return? lols Nov 19 17:49:30 i suppose wifi is cute and all, but i wouldn't mind something with better range Nov 19 17:50:32 pupnik: i looked at modeling shop prices Nov 19 17:51:27 pupnik: bits of carbon fiber are under £20 + motors £15x4 + some electronics £70 at most + battery pack ( good one ) £40 Nov 19 17:52:17 hi again, u dude, i dont remember your nick, i spoke with u few minutes ago:) Nov 19 17:52:25 can someone please help me in installing iperf into n800 tablet with OS2008 Nov 19 17:52:53 asking direct questions helps Nov 19 17:53:21 Hi I am trying to install iperf in Linux Nokia-N800-51-3 2.6.21-omap1, apt-get does not find any package and when I try to install it manually I see that that libgcc1 and libstd++6 libraries are below the requirement, can anyone please provide me some help, or something that I must try Nov 19 17:53:26 ;) Nov 19 17:57:12 sougata: can you find an older version of the package? it seems to be compiled for a newer version of your OS Nov 19 17:58:12 maybe you could alternately extract the package, download the required libraries to a local directory, and override the libraries with LD_PRELOAD Nov 19 18:01:08 pupnik, thank you Nov 19 18:01:27 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/i/ unfortunately no iperf here Nov 19 18:01:54 pupnik, I was trying to install this http://maemo.org/packages/view/iperf/ Nov 19 18:02:24 that's for n900 Nov 19 18:02:49 would iptraf do the trick? http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/i/iptraf/ Nov 19 18:03:28 i should use less idiomatic text Nov 19 18:04:01 pupnik, I will read about it. I am not aware of it. Nov 19 18:04:33 I need to measure tcp,udp bandwidth with my n800 tablet Nov 19 18:05:15 Actually I was following this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=19616 Nov 19 18:05:18 General and detailed interface statistics showing IP, TCP, UDP, ICMP, non-IP and other IP packet counts, IP checksum errors, interface activity, packet size counts Nov 19 18:05:28 http://iptraf.seul.org/about.html Nov 19 18:05:59 pupnik, thank you , it sounds good Nov 19 18:06:08 I'll try to install it Nov 19 18:08:45 pupnik, installed . Thank you it was really helpful Nov 19 18:08:49 :) Nov 19 18:09:39 :) glad to help Nov 19 18:25:24 i scanned my n900 in a CT :D Nov 19 18:25:51 roadi, pics or it didn't happen. Nov 19 18:26:06 * lcuk has seen x-ray Nov 19 18:27:03 have such too .... okay, give me some minutes ... have to save it as jpeg. otherwise you wont see anything or you have an dicom viewer Nov 19 18:27:33 http://www.break.com/usercontent/2010/11/17/touch-my-boobs-1954758 Nov 19 18:27:57 keyword trigger. Nov 19 18:41:47 roadi: you know it has an upper limit for the radiation power (like maybe 40KV), above where you'll definitely ruin the device in no time, with X-Ray? Nov 19 18:45:08 X-Ray of sufficient power will not only erase config flashroms of several chips (e.g CAL, LIS302, ALS, BT, WLAN, BB5) but also destroy electret microphones Nov 19 18:48:38 hi lcuk Nov 19 18:49:34 hi docscrutinizer? Nov 19 18:49:37 oops Nov 19 18:50:00 why i wrote ? to end of text:) Nov 19 18:54:12 hello hatebreeder? Nov 19 18:55:28 Anybody ever try slovakian/ukranian/russian Korbáciky string cheese? http://www.farmatuska.sk/domain/farmatuska/files/1233593396p2020009.jpg Nov 19 19:03:11 pupnik: i did Nov 19 19:06:19 jacekowski: is shipping food from .sk to .de problematic? Nov 19 19:06:38 pupnik: i don't think so Nov 19 19:06:44 it will just take couple days Nov 19 19:07:01 depends Nov 19 19:07:14 http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/alternative-to-200-lines-kernel-patch.html Nov 19 19:07:36 there's often some goods on nogo-lists Nov 19 19:07:40 Anyone knows which application I can download for the n900 that recognizes songs? :) Nov 19 19:08:23 generally shipping food is always problematic Nov 19 19:08:24 well, 3 days in warm Nov 19 19:08:44 hey puppies Nov 19 19:09:03 * ZogG pucnches RST38h in the face Nov 19 19:09:07 punches* Nov 19 19:09:35 tztztz, fightclub starts at 22:00 UTC Nov 19 19:22:26 well .sk is in eu no?? Nov 19 19:23:33 if it's eu, it's ok Nov 19 19:24:37 it will trigger both the C4 detectors and the biological hazard alarm :-P Nov 19 19:35:37 hmmm weird qt creator issue - clicking build/clean/rebuild etc but changes to the app aren't displaying when i run on my device.... do these settings look ok? http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/d4eyjmwz/Selection_001.png Nov 19 21:39:02 DocScrutinizer: fun Nov 19 21:39:14 DocScrutinizer: do you know that serial port is powered all the time/ Nov 19 21:40:00 jacekowski, only if you have the flag set. Nov 19 21:40:27 no Nov 19 21:40:51 all the time Nov 19 21:41:55 you can't use it if it's disabled Nov 19 21:42:01 but power is still going to it Nov 19 21:44:15 that's why i mentioned it Nov 19 21:51:01 what was name of that software that modified rd-flags Nov 19 21:52:11 gah, camera keeps crashing -_- Nov 19 21:53:45 flasher? Nov 19 21:54:38 no Nov 19 21:54:44 there was one messing with cal Nov 19 21:54:47 from phone directly Nov 19 21:55:53 jacekowski: aiui the serial port shouldn't be enabled if not told so by bootline parameter. And what means "powered"? btw when device is off, I gather there's no way for any power on serial Nov 19 21:56:26 yes Nov 19 21:56:29 messing with cal from phone only for readout, at least regarding that tool Nov 19 21:56:46 but as long as phone is running i can see 2.6V on serial port Nov 19 21:57:05 DocScrutinizer: i had a tool to disable/enable r&d mode from phone Nov 19 21:57:05 hmm, that's the GPIO set to output Nov 19 21:57:11 doen't hurt really Nov 19 21:57:20 and i'm pretty sure it came with a phone Nov 19 21:57:24 and i didn't write it myself Nov 19 21:57:38 never seen it, except flasher Nov 19 21:57:57 and flasher seems doesn't work in local mode to do that Nov 19 21:58:21 how do you enable and disable rd&mode on device Nov 19 21:58:36 with flasher on PC Nov 19 21:58:44 how do you check if it's enabled? Nov 19 21:58:54 bootmode? Nov 19 21:58:58 sth like that Nov 19 21:59:00 no Nov 19 21:59:02 hmm Nov 19 21:59:12 bootstate Nov 19 21:59:25 nvm Nov 19 21:59:28 it was my tool Nov 19 22:01:06 http://xkcd.com/138/ Nov 19 22:02:08 anyone know how to debug the camera-apps? Nov 19 22:05:03 pupnik, bah, 32-bit pointers are so 00's Nov 19 22:12:15 DocScrutinizer: it's not bsi that bme is looking for before shuting down phone Nov 19 22:13:02 grr power46 gives reboot loop fsck Nov 19 22:14:19 anybody knows how to earn a fortune? Nov 19 22:14:34 steal Nov 19 22:15:01 or debug cam apps :-P Nov 19 22:15:18 ? Nov 19 22:15:28 [2010-11-19 22:55:08] anyone know how to debug the camera-apps? Nov 19 22:16:15 :o Nov 19 22:16:46 well no idea if it's the apps or the camera, but both the default app as well as bless900 crash immediately Nov 19 22:16:53 Hrm, mayhbe using a Qt model was a bad idea. Nov 19 22:17:03 Probaly the kernel Nov 19 22:17:14 ~probably .. Nov 19 22:17:24 Flash stock kernel Nov 19 22:17:28 One lardman. Two lardmans. Nov 19 22:18:50 ~ping Nov 19 22:18:50 ~pong Nov 19 22:31:17 RST38h: you russian? Nov 19 22:33:35 crashanddie: no, I am oodmoortian Nov 19 22:33:40 whaddayawant? Nov 19 22:53:47 o_O Root filesystem has 0kB available... :/ Nov 19 22:53:55 nite all, sweet dreams Nov 19 22:54:04 nite trem Nov 19 23:12:40 dreamer: now that's a lil bit more like a question you can hope to receive an answer Nov 19 23:14:04 dreamer: check if your kernel's cam drivers are compatible. I.E. fcam's drivers known to not work with PR1.3 kernel for quite some time, until updated. I'd bet BlessN900 is even worse Nov 19 23:14:13 DocScrutinizer: yeah well, not sure what to do -_- Nov 19 23:14:24 the came worked fine with this kernel up until a week ago or something Nov 19 23:14:57 unistall BlessN900, then reinstall pr1.3 kernel&modules. that'S the abstract description of what to do Nov 19 23:15:36 k, I'll see what happens Nov 19 23:15:48 but both bless900 and the regular app worked just fine Nov 19 23:16:03 have you been messing with things? Nov 19 23:16:10 well, then probably a bit stained Nov 19 23:16:15 not anything particularly :P Nov 19 23:16:17 :-P Nov 19 23:16:36 but I'll do what you said DocScrutinizer, didn't really use bless900 anyway Nov 19 23:16:55 the hdr isn't even full res ;) Nov 19 23:19:06 lardman_: definitely for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av7geCKSGuc Nov 19 23:19:39 [ Ar.Drone autonomous navigation using image recognition ] Nov 19 23:24:02 pupnik: that does look cool :) Nov 19 23:25:07 anyway night all Nov 19 23:25:28 DocScrutinizer: how do I reinstall a kernel? (btw, using the enhanced kernel) Nov 19 23:28:41 has anyone worked around the prohibition on using fmtx with an audio cable plugged in? Nov 19 23:28:50 I just convinced my mother, a musician who has her name on about 18 different CDs and a few DVDs, that the current copyright and royalty system is broken. Nov 19 23:29:11 i'm trying to transmit an externel audio source through the n900 Nov 19 23:29:21 >implying the labels aren't the only ones making money so the artists already know that Nov 19 23:29:32 crashanddie, now tell her to do something about it Nov 19 23:29:49 test34: don't think it's her fight Nov 19 23:30:10 kerio: that sentence didn't make sense to me Nov 19 23:30:15 crashanddie, it's everybody's fight;) Nov 19 23:30:28 BCMM: i did Nov 19 23:30:46 test34: true, but she's a veteran, she's entitled to skip this one Nov 19 23:31:04 is maemo going to get replaced? Nov 19 23:31:15 hasn't it already? Nov 19 23:31:26 does anyone know what the ._ file in the mydocs folder is good for? Nov 19 23:31:39 crashanddie, yeah I was just kidding.. Nov 19 23:31:41 WakiMiko: not unless you tell what's in it Nov 19 23:31:50 jacekowski: how? Nov 19 23:32:05 BCMM: jacekowski.org/Maemo/FMTXD1.3 Nov 19 23:32:23 crashanddie: its binary but i can see the string Mac OS X Nov 19 23:32:40 WakiMiko: file ._ Nov 19 23:32:45 WakiMiko: that's a command Nov 19 23:33:08 apple double encoded macintosh file Nov 19 23:33:13 thanks crashanddie .. meego I forgot Nov 19 23:33:29 WakiMiko: oh, it's an OSX file fork Nov 19 23:33:52 crashanddie: the RIAA lies, people prefered CDs after Vinyl because it has the advantage of digital data and even paid more for an album and now the RIAA complains exactly because of the same advantages Nov 19 23:34:15 also, how do you find out what's plugged into the AV socket, and can you override the detection? Nov 19 23:34:30 andax: way to troll and not be constructive. You're asserting a bunch of things without really providing value or context. Nov 19 23:34:31 whats it do? Nov 19 23:34:42 contain icons when pluggin on a mac? Nov 19 23:34:49 plugged in* Nov 19 23:34:51 Why did we pay more then? the production costs are even lower for CDs Nov 19 23:35:15 WakiMiko: not really, if I understand it correctly, it's used to allow a file to be accessed by multiple processes at the same time Nov 19 23:35:27 BCMM: dbus Nov 19 23:35:36 BCMM: and i don't know Nov 19 23:35:43 im gonna get rid of it := Nov 19 23:35:43 WakiMiko: if you're not using the mac anymore, you should be free to delete it -- also ensure that you always properly eject the n900 before ripping out the usb cord Nov 19 23:35:43 BCMM: probably yes Nov 19 23:35:54 BCMM: well, most likely yes Nov 19 23:35:55 alright, thanks Nov 19 23:36:01 BCMM: but i never looked into it Nov 19 23:36:44 see, i'm trying to plug the n900 into an electric guitar... Nov 19 23:36:59 and i'm not sure it will autodetect it properly Nov 19 23:37:34 talking of dbus, i'm a kde user and used to qdbus. is qdbus packed for maemo? Nov 19 23:38:02 no Nov 19 23:38:14 oh Nov 19 23:38:30 BCMM: DocScrutinizer may know something about detection of what is plugged in Nov 19 23:39:24 jacekowski: is that a different fixed fmtx from the one i'm using already? Nov 19 23:39:28 crashanddie: I just had a lengthy query with gan about DRM and TC. I said you're not one of the proponents - I'm right? Nov 19 23:39:46 there should be a gstreamer anti-shake video plugin Nov 19 23:39:53 BCMM: i'm not sure what you are using already Nov 19 23:39:59 i think MohammadAG gave me the link. it fixes boost, but still doesn't work with headphones Nov 19 23:40:22 jacekowski: i need to log better... Nov 19 23:40:22 BCMM: I don't see any 6.3mm receptacle on N900 :-D Nov 19 23:40:24 DocScrutinizer: what part of "I managed to convince her the current copyright and royalty system is broken" puts you in doubt? Nov 19 23:40:37 none, actually Nov 19 23:40:58 DocScrutinizer: ah! but i have slightly nice headphones! Nov 19 23:40:59 I'm fairly opposed to making people pay for digital copies of things Nov 19 23:41:18 BCMM: that's not done in fmtxd Nov 19 23:41:31 and all sliightly nice headphones seem to come with a needlessly gold-plated adaptor Nov 19 23:41:31 heck, I'm working on getting my company to step selling our main product and rely on SAAS and PS revenue models Nov 19 23:41:31 BCMM: it's PA messing with things Nov 19 23:41:40 I just was wondering once more how stskeeps and other meego zealots can support security framework and ignore what it *really* will get us Nov 19 23:41:47 BCMM: gold plating is cheap Nov 19 23:41:52 jacekowski: what isn't? the power level thing? Nov 19 23:42:01 jacekowski: i know :) Nov 19 23:42:09 BCMM: fmtxd ignores headphones Nov 19 23:42:15 also, audiophiles don't Nov 19 23:42:35 BCMM: but pulseaudio still gets info Nov 19 23:42:48 BCMM: and starts sending signal to headphones instead of fmtxd Nov 19 23:43:13 maplin typically charges the same for gold plated and steel versions of things Nov 19 23:43:24 jacekowski: i'm lost now. Nov 19 23:43:25 because they overcharge Nov 19 23:43:39 it is cheaper to use steel stuff Nov 19 23:43:51 but it's like 50p on cable that costs £3-4 Nov 19 23:43:57 at most Nov 19 23:44:06 jacekowski: they do a bit, but it demonstrates that it's a small expense Nov 19 23:44:24 meego + security framework == andoid milestone minus java Nov 19 23:44:46 which security framework? selinux? ;) Nov 19 23:44:48 jacekowski: i got a bit confused back there. the thing i'm using is a modified ko, not a modified daemon Nov 19 23:45:07 BCMM: you need modified daemon Nov 19 23:45:08 dreamer: selinux would be awesome. No, TPM Nov 19 23:45:21 alias trusted computing Nov 19 23:45:32 aka the hoofed one Nov 19 23:45:38 ah, i don't log irc, but i do have bash_history Nov 19 23:45:40 http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/PR1.3/fmtx-si4713.ko Nov 19 23:45:45 is what i have Nov 19 23:45:54 that's unlocked module Nov 19 23:45:56 that's power stuff Nov 19 23:46:01 <3 wget Nov 19 23:46:05 BCMM: pov.it is logging irc Nov 19 23:46:06 ~paste Nov 19 23:46:06 i heard paste is http://pastebin.org/ or http://bin.cakephp.org/ or http://pastebin.ca/ Nov 19 23:46:27 DocScrutinizer: what is that? some kind of drm stuff? Nov 19 23:46:28 also infobot is logging irc Nov 19 23:46:35 BCMM: you need http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/fmtxd1.3 Nov 19 23:46:43 DocScrutinizer: oh so btw, how do I reinstall the enhanced kernel? ;) Nov 19 23:46:45 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing Nov 19 23:46:54 DocScrutinizer: yeah found it Nov 19 23:46:58 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module Nov 19 23:47:12 TPM is so shit Nov 19 23:47:19 ty Nov 19 23:47:23 ask jacekowski about how it's already in place inside OMAP SoC Nov 19 23:47:26 jacekowski: anyway, what i was getting at was, "will that work ok with the modified kernel module" Nov 19 23:47:28 xD i was testing infobot, sorry. btw, where can i find a full list of inbot "commands"? Nov 19 23:47:41 and do i still need the modified kernel module? Nov 19 23:47:47 BCMM: no Nov 19 23:47:57 BCMM: but you can leave it Nov 19 23:48:34 and now meego implements the sw framework to put it to full purpose, so your device is owned by Nokia/Ti even while you paid for it Nov 19 23:48:47 in future, i'll try not to come on irc when i'm sleepy and appear not to know the difference between a daemon and a kernel Nov 19 23:48:54 DocScrutinizer: :( Nov 19 23:49:09 thing is, being fully awake makes plugging a guitar into an n900 seem less fun Nov 19 23:49:14 DocScrutinizer: I was hoping meego would be sweet, but I guess I'm stuck to maemo :P Nov 19 23:49:27 DocScrutinizer: i've read a doc stating that m-shield and all that stuff isn't real Nov 19 23:49:33 DocScrutinizer: it's all implemented in software Nov 19 23:49:41 hahaha Nov 19 23:49:53 DocScrutinizer: using just firewalls that omap supports Nov 19 23:50:43 does it really matter? fact is we can't replace xldr Nov 19 23:51:03 and now they're going to ramp it up Nov 19 23:51:13 we can Nov 19 23:51:17 just don't know how Nov 19 23:51:23 jacekowski: since i'm being stupid right now, i'll ask: that's suppose to replace /usr/sbin/fmtxd, right? Nov 19 23:51:32 BCMM: yes Nov 19 23:52:01 thanks Nov 19 23:52:08 DocScrutinizer: but to go out of HS mode all you have to do is disconnect one pad from pcb Nov 19 23:52:11 jacekowski: wasn't that you who told me we can replace it but it won't boot, as we don't have the proper key to sign it Nov 19 23:52:25 yes Nov 19 23:52:41 but there has to be weakness somewhere Nov 19 23:52:49 there always is Nov 19 23:54:08 and even IF we could replace it, we couldn't fake the 'TPM' into pretending the chain of trust is intact. So no secure mode on a system with your custom kernel, no Nokia media player running on such a system without intact secure mode... etc etc Nov 19 23:55:29 but if it's disabled Nov 19 23:55:32 we can emulate it Nov 19 23:55:34 There does not have to be an exploitable weakness. Nov 19 23:55:36 no updates from Nokia repositories for such a system. No purchase in OVI store. No phone calls Nov 19 23:56:09 jacekowski: you can't as you don't have the built-in key Nov 19 23:57:23 jacekowski: parts of Nokia media player code stored in a crypted format that can be decoded only by the TPM Nov 19 23:57:28 you lose Nov 19 23:57:38 if it runs it can be cracked Nov 19 23:57:56 crashanddie, played Never gonna say no(?) today Nov 19 23:57:58 no, as you don't have the tools to crack it Nov 19 23:57:59 thanks jacekowski, works. Nov 19 23:58:09 those tools don't work on a secure system Nov 19 23:58:11 :-P Nov 19 23:58:16 MohammadAG: hmm? Nov 19 23:58:30 crashanddie, song by hushpuppies (on GH) Nov 19 23:58:31 DocScrutinizer: that sounds pretty ei Nov 19 23:58:33 DocScrutinizer: well, program has to be decrypted Nov 19 23:58:37 DocScrutinizer: and stored in memory Nov 19 23:58:38 gah Nov 19 23:58:45 jacekowski: If it runs, it can be cracked. Nov 19 23:58:47 MohammadAG: you're gonna say yeah? Nov 19 23:58:52 pretty evil, are you talking about the n900? Nov 19 23:58:57 jacekowski: But it can in principle be locked in on-die RAM Nov 19 23:58:58 SpeedEvil: i just said thta Nov 19 23:59:07 crashanddie, i swear i saw that as never in the title lol Nov 19 23:59:07 jacekowski: And cracking that is tricky. Nov 19 23:59:16 crashanddie, and yes Nov 19 23:59:26 was the guitarist Nov 19 23:59:27 MohammadAG: heh, I thought it was only in the french version Nov 19 23:59:32 you can't crack anything on a Ipod nano Nov 19 23:59:40 Even probing the RAM is fun on a POP Nov 19 23:59:41 DocScrutinizer: you can crack the screen Nov 20 00:00:04 crashanddie, smashing hits I think Nov 20 00:00:05 ipod nano? Nov 20 00:00:15 as well you can't crack anything on a N900 with meego in secure mode, as secure mode means you can't run gdb, strace, anything Nov 20 00:00:46 jacekowski: ipod nano as a synonym for a system lacking all tools Nov 20 00:01:37 No system lacks all tools. Nov 20 00:01:49 a secure system does Nov 20 00:01:50 Electron microscopes, disencapsulation, ... are tools too. Nov 20 00:02:00 yeah, haha Nov 20 00:02:03 DocScrutinizer: isn't that like saying you can't crack iOS? Nov 20 00:02:18 nope, not really Nov 20 00:02:28 And for example, one way to get the key for TPM is to parachute drop a company of mercenries on Nokia HQ. Nov 20 00:02:53 can we donate to that effort somewhere? Nov 20 00:02:55 SpeedEvil: actually obe of the more feasible ways, yes Nov 20 00:03:07 obe? Nov 20 00:03:17 one Nov 20 00:03:19 order of the british empire Nov 20 00:04:00 well, thing is that this key is stored only in one place Nov 20 00:04:06 computer where xloader is signed Nov 20 00:04:08 or server Nov 20 00:04:11 or wherever Nov 20 00:04:27 I doubt they have zero backups Nov 20 00:04:39 so you have backu Nov 20 00:04:42 backup* Nov 20 00:05:02 but backups are probably encrypted Nov 20 00:05:08 LOL Nov 20 00:05:13 good one Nov 20 00:05:27 yeah, you bet they should be Nov 20 00:05:40 y'know, the original is probably encrypted too Nov 20 00:05:42 so you have to get key from signing computer Nov 20 00:06:10 BCMM: nah Nov 20 00:06:22 ti code signing toolkit can't sign with encrypted keys Nov 20 00:07:07 we'll have to bribe the sysop :-P Nov 20 00:07:17 cleaner Nov 20 00:07:17 so does the n900 have a tpm? Nov 20 00:07:24 BCMM: yes Nov 20 00:07:35 gah, didn't know that Nov 20 00:07:41 will some carriers insist on a TPM'd meego? Nov 20 00:08:01 you bet they will Nov 20 00:08:02 BCMM: you don't know a lot of things Nov 20 00:08:04 i hope a full price version will be free Nov 20 00:08:20 jacekowski: seems so Nov 20 00:08:38 pupnik: there's no such thing like a free version Nov 20 00:08:49 * pupnik looks guilty Nov 20 00:08:53 a system is either in secure state or in open state Nov 20 00:09:00 i mean open Nov 20 00:09:06 as an intentional addition, or as part of omap? Nov 20 00:09:16 DocScrutinizer: it's more complicated than that Nov 20 00:09:26 in open state secured apps will refuse to run Nov 20 00:09:32 DocScrutinizer: it can run different applications Nov 20 00:09:39 DocScrutinizer: some in secure mode some in free mode Nov 20 00:09:45 DocScrutinizer: in "parallel" Nov 20 00:09:52 DocScrutinizer: and just pass information between zones Nov 20 00:09:59 DocScrutinizer: that's what trustzone is for Nov 20 00:10:13 yes, as long as the "free" apps have no perms to mess with the "secure" ones Nov 20 00:10:43 in which trustzone will gdb run? :-P Nov 20 00:11:11 or any app that read from /proc/kmem? Nov 20 00:11:32 or ethereal? Nov 20 00:11:47 or or or Nov 20 00:12:10 jacekowski: It's actually even much more complex Nov 20 00:12:38 but doesn't change the basic proposition Nov 20 00:13:15 which is: nobody except (C)-owners loves a "secure" system Nov 20 00:14:07 as "security" in this context means the app is secured from you , not you and your apps are secured from the rogue world Nov 20 00:16:34 the concept goes like "the virus is gaining root and then does bad things, so we forbid anybody to gain root rights and no virus will do that" Nov 20 00:16:39 that's a LAME concept Nov 20 00:17:35 drivers are causing accidents and does bad things, so we forbid anybody to drive and no one will get hurt. ;) Nov 20 00:18:38 the true purpose is they want to ban things like recording video streams from youtube, playback of DVDs without proper player app that has a valid official key, reverse engineering of any commercial software, whatever Nov 20 00:19:49 TPM and security framework are not for *your* security, they are for security of big business Nov 20 00:20:28 now apply the same reasoning to STDs ;) Nov 20 00:23:44 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5115609628556940516&q=trusted+computing# Nov 20 00:28:25 DocScrutinizer: amen to that Nov 20 00:32:07 good morning Nov 20 00:50:04 http://www.boingboing.net/2010/11/11/tsas-new-book-for-ki.html Nov 20 00:50:08 (on security) Nov 20 01:00:27 SpeedEvil: Nov 20 01:00:30 http://forum.mikrokopter.de/topic-post252729.html#post252729 8-motor homebuilt copter with DSLR mount for sale Nov 20 01:09:43 yeah Nov 20 01:09:49 not really hard to do. Nov 20 01:25:54 #android Nov 20 01:27:56 smackpotat: you mean #NITdroid? Nov 20 01:28:24 right Nov 20 01:29:16 http://www.helibest.net/rc/vh-viewarticle.asp?id=694 very nice very nice new copter from china ~ 300 euro? 400? Nov 20 01:29:19 ^ SpeedEvil Nov 20 01:30:28 yes - I know - there is cool stuff to buy. Nov 20 01:30:38 lol Nov 20 01:30:44 I will review the above if you send me 400 euro. Nov 20 01:30:45 they are starting to not suck Nov 20 01:31:04 And it annoys me that I've been unable to get my UAV setup. Nov 20 01:31:06 need waypoint navi and i'm set Nov 20 01:31:11 you got one eh Nov 20 01:31:45 i've been waiting for a chinese factory to learn how to build a decent one Nov 20 01:32:34 Able to fly to 4Km alt on a single charge, take a ten gigapixel pan, and land again in 10 min. And redo every 20 min Nov 20 01:32:52 dang Nov 20 01:33:06 how many / what type of motors does it have? Nov 20 01:33:12 one big one. Nov 20 01:33:36 It's a thrust-vectored, climb-optimised helicopter. Nov 20 01:36:16 do you have a hacked camera that will take continuous pictures while you pan with servos? Nov 20 01:36:53 When I hold the button down Nov 20 01:37:00 i'd like to give people in hospitals first-person headset flights throught the woods and their home towns and stuff Nov 20 01:37:06 i think that'd be a treat Nov 20 01:37:16 wow, cool Nov 20 01:37:35 * SpeedEvil sighs. Nov 20 01:37:56 * SpeedEvil is currently suffering from wanting to get on with doing something, while having no energy whatsoever. Nov 20 01:38:02 well that's just what i was thinking while i was last in the hospital Nov 20 01:38:18 with that horrid tv Nov 20 01:38:21 and no 3g reception Nov 20 01:38:30 surely, some of the stuff that your nick hints at would help with that ;) Nov 20 01:39:04 SpeedEvil: what do you think of the X650 hardware? Nov 20 01:39:12 I think it would be nice to have a little fly-around while in hospital, it's usually pretty boring and probably helps with pain when you have something else to think about Nov 20 01:39:16 pupnik: I have one. Nov 20 01:39:20 pupnik: Well - sorta. Nov 20 01:39:37 pupnik: Move the 5 over one letter, and turn it upside down. Nov 20 01:39:37 would you say it's in the 'good value' category, and is it hackable? Nov 20 01:40:00 i don't think i should try DIY Nov 20 01:40:01 http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X60s Nov 20 01:40:15 diydrones.com Nov 20 01:40:20 i like those thinkpads Nov 20 01:40:33 should presumably have some opinions. Nov 20 01:40:35 * SpeedEvil sighs. Nov 20 01:41:12 If I had a billion or two spare, somewhere moderately high on the list of things to do would be to get some nice 4:3 laptops made. Nov 20 01:41:16 if you recall kotczarny, the guy who got gp2x uae4all running on n800 - he has a great new visualization program for x86 and arm Nov 20 01:41:44 vaguely Nov 20 01:41:54 I just heard of a _neat_ technique. Nov 20 01:41:59 You take an image of a person. Nov 20 01:42:04 i got an x200t on closeout for 800 and am real happy with it Nov 20 01:42:27 yes? Nov 20 01:42:30 Now, you chroma filter that image, and run an analysis of red vs green/blue - using the green/blue channel to noise-cancel. Nov 20 01:42:53 You then run a fft on the red/ (green/blue) ratio. Nov 20 01:43:00 And out pops heartrate. Nov 20 01:43:30 you are not kidding me? Nov 20 01:43:35 Nope. Nov 20 01:45:07 i must be imagining the fft wrong Nov 20 01:45:31 http://www.filedump.net/dumped/895157eafd9129e23114dee7de030cd31753961290084603.pdf Nov 20 01:45:52 you run the FFT on the noise-reduced averaged skin-tone Nov 20 01:46:11 DocScrutinizer: yay, removing bless900 and then rebooting fixed it :) Nov 20 01:46:30 Plethysymographic imaging. Nov 20 01:46:34 Awesome word. Nov 20 02:00:07 SpeedEvil: awesome Nov 20 02:00:19 paper Nov 20 02:00:42 It's really simple too - they're not doing anything remotely clever. Nov 20 02:00:52 Just FFTing the average colour of a ROI Nov 20 02:00:52 hahaha Nov 20 02:01:12 This could be fun. Nov 20 02:01:21 Imagine running it against politicians. Nov 20 02:01:25 they should do a bit more clever compensation for moving subjects Nov 20 02:01:44 You get a image of parliament, when someone is making an important speech. Nov 20 02:02:00 Correlate the heartrate with the points to see who it pisses off and is hiding it. Nov 20 02:02:18 I already was with Clinton, sexual intercourse, and lie detection as done by mossad Nov 20 02:03:23 add this to the somewhat more sophisticated micro gesture detection Nov 20 02:03:42 plus voice stress analysis Nov 20 02:03:44 Yeah. Nov 20 02:05:29 now video surveilance of public places becomes a whole new quality :-P Nov 20 02:09:15 I doubt you could place a backpack with a bomb somewhere with the same coolness you'd put a bag of litter into an arbitrary bin Nov 20 02:09:49 probably I'll get shot next time I put a letter to my GF into the postbox :-P Nov 20 02:09:52 Beta blockers. Nov 20 02:10:03 good point Nov 20 02:14:30 meh, out of milk for coffee. Hope my bakery is open now Nov 20 02:14:35 bbl Nov 20 02:14:44 I strongly recommend heat-treated milk. Nov 20 02:15:00 Modern processes have gotten good enough that the taste is barely noticable. (at least to me) Nov 20 02:15:05 I buy milk monthly Nov 20 02:15:05 tastes like shit Nov 20 02:15:15 Depends on the process. Nov 20 02:15:16 UHT tastes awful to me Nov 20 02:15:28 UHT used to taste awful. Nov 20 02:15:40 The processing - at least in the UK - has gotten lots better. Nov 20 02:15:54 how recently? Nov 20 02:16:01 last decade? Nov 20 02:16:12 actually they got better. But - though I'd never expected that - it makes a giant difference, even in coffee. Maybe especially in coffee Nov 20 02:16:42 I guess I'm not critical enough, or german milk is different. :) Nov 20 02:17:24 nah, a lot of cheap one around here. The expensive one is remarkably better, but still way off from fresh Nov 20 02:17:42 what exactly is uht anyway? isn't pastuerisation supposed to sterilise the milk? Nov 20 02:18:05 BCMM: It's milk that you can store for months in the cupboard. Nov 20 02:18:13 depends on temperature. Like 70°, 85°, 90°, even 110° Nov 20 02:18:25 SpeedEvil: i know that, but i don't know why Nov 20 02:18:32 The temperature profile is the key. Nov 20 02:18:37 yep Nov 20 02:18:43 The old method was to hold it for a long time at a relatively cool temp Nov 20 02:18:52 newer methods hold it for a shorter time but hotter Nov 20 02:19:04 if you heat a tank for 2h, you'll get something worth the drain Nov 20 02:19:08 SpeedEvil: is germany one of those countries where milk is UHT "by default"? Nov 20 02:19:31 There is pastureised, and UHT, they are different Nov 20 02:19:31 nope Nov 20 02:19:42 (like how "normal" UK milk is pastuerised and homogenised) Nov 20 02:19:48 pasturised means that it's killed 99% or so of bacteria - it'll last a week in the fridge. Nov 20 02:20:08 UHT will last months. Nov 20 02:20:12 we got - few - pasteurized, most of it ESL now, and maybe a thrid is UHT Nov 20 02:20:13 (well, years, but it seperates) Nov 20 02:20:36 ah, so the difference is due to stuff surviving pasteurisation Nov 20 02:20:54 yes Nov 20 02:21:01 ESL is like 85° instead of 70° (or similar), and has 3 times the shelf life Nov 20 02:21:05 of fresh Nov 20 02:21:06 so UHT does go off at a normal rate once it's open? Nov 20 02:21:42 basically yes Nov 20 02:30:33 ooks like the x650 has some stability problems **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 20 02:59:57 2010