**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 20 02:59:57 2010 Nov 20 03:33:42 great week, laptop hdd died, new ssd died too, n900 bricked ... Nov 20 03:37:09 ow Nov 20 03:37:17 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok6iiXifxPQ nice HD video from a quadcopter Nov 20 03:53:37 cehteh: :-/ Nov 20 03:54:21 how do i flash the kernel only? .. forgotten the spell Nov 20 03:55:51 got it Nov 20 03:59:27 so .. the question is, why did power45 and power46 brick my device ... some incompatible packages Nov 20 03:59:57 guess i deinstall a lot first before trying again Nov 20 04:09:48 even better --- flashing the kernel only didnt fixed it Nov 20 04:10:50 ummm Nov 20 04:11:22 there's a known issue with bq27200 drivers Nov 20 04:11:34 complete flash? ... Nov 20 04:11:36 there is? Nov 20 04:11:43 there was? Nov 20 04:11:46 has been? Nov 20 04:11:51 really? Nov 20 04:12:00 i thought Nokia just neglected the platform data Nov 20 04:12:19 bq27200 kernel driver occupying the I2C bus, so bme blows chunks Nov 20 04:12:54 power kernel comes with bq27200 drivers, but aiui they're not loaded by default Nov 20 04:14:04 allegedly matan fixed this, by not throwing error on I2c access when a kernel driver already opened that bus Nov 20 04:14:10 ok having a brand new n900 now .. well grr Nov 20 04:14:18 dunno if and which powerkernel has that patch Nov 20 04:16:37 the funny thing: usually nobody is noticing any problems, as bme is opening the I2C bus and hapily lives on forever, even when bq27200 driver is loaded after that. But beware of stopping and restarting bme after that! Nov 20 04:17:31 cehteh: you had multiboot? Nov 20 04:17:56 nop Nov 20 04:18:25 multiboot, though a smart hack, is a heap of steaming shit regarding later installation of new kernels Nov 20 04:19:05 cehteh: so I actually am out of ideas what messed up your system Nov 20 04:19:54 some application, it booted and just before all desktop icons where displayed it shutdown Nov 20 04:20:13 :nod: Nov 20 04:20:46 some hw-related widgets? battery-foo? wifi-eye, something else? Nov 20 04:21:51 though I once had same problem, just by trying to pull foreca from one screen to the other Nov 20 04:22:18 r&d mode wasn't that popular back when, so I had to reflash Nov 20 04:22:54 uhm .. damn ..ham Nov 20 04:23:06 eh? Nov 20 04:23:14 no fapman yet Nov 20 04:23:28 have to go all the way to reinstall all crap Nov 20 04:23:41 lol Nov 20 04:23:50 use backup, fool! Nov 20 04:23:57 i do Nov 20 04:24:01 but cough .. Nov 20 04:24:11 its on my uSD which is ext4 :P Nov 20 04:24:19 MUHAHAHA Nov 20 04:24:38 nice shot into own foot Nov 20 04:25:37 ok fapman installed Nov 20 04:25:56 fapman, meh Nov 20 04:26:40 I got more sophisticated and more funny ways to ruin my system, than just fapman. (what a name!) Nov 20 04:27:45 took fapman some 15 minutes to buy his ticket off my system Nov 20 04:27:45 where is the power kernel extras or testing? Nov 20 04:28:33 probably 7 versions in extras, 3 in testing, and 13 in devel Nov 20 04:29:11 lol Nov 20 04:29:59 you are right Nov 20 04:29:59 honestly, powerkernel isn't exactly the king of pkg I'd install via a graphic installer Nov 20 04:30:09 kind* Nov 20 04:30:28 well ... doesnt matter i have to add the repositories in a economic way now Nov 20 04:31:24 there's just a few things I insist on my cmdline to do them Nov 20 04:33:07 one of those things is kernel installation and fapping modules. Another few are mass rm and mv, or sed jobs Nov 20 04:33:35 no ssh yet .. and the small keyboard isnt that nice either Nov 20 04:33:38 mounting :-P Nov 20 04:34:29 hmm, so maybe ssh metapkg should be the first (or second, after rootsh) to install? Nov 20 04:34:33 not fapman? Nov 20 04:34:47 no /opt .. ext4 ... Nov 20 04:34:58 first a ext4 kernel Nov 20 04:35:29 seems your recover strategy needs a bit of love to lose some bleeding edges Nov 20 04:35:42 yeah Nov 20 04:36:24 well and i want to install power46 asap to see if it works .. before loosing too much work again Nov 20 04:37:51 every work done twice is a fool's work Nov 20 04:38:46 I mean that's why I use computers: to get rid of doing same thing repeated times Nov 20 04:41:43 right, luke-jr ? that's why OM recommends using flash-moko11-2.image :-P Nov 20 04:43:56 luke-jr: figue the smile of resellers updating calypso fw of several dozen devices Nov 20 04:45:40 sure, if you want to hurry, you could even use 4 uSD cards concurrently. While you started update on device #4, #1 finished and you can use card #1 in device #5 Nov 20 04:50:29 luke-jr: btw I think I recall there's been 'sync' mentioned explicitly, to avoid corruption of flashed uSD, after 'dd' Nov 20 04:51:15 if not then please let me know. I take pride in my belief the procedure and instructions are perfect Nov 20 04:53:50 hi Nov 20 04:54:02 I just feel a little embarrassed about mere size of the image Nov 20 04:54:41 does someone can point on the right direction? Nov 20 04:54:46 but doing anything about it would have made the whole procedure more complicated Nov 20 04:55:01 mveplus: no Nov 20 04:55:21 ~ask Nov 20 04:55:22 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Nov 20 04:56:23 connecting usb2Network adapter with h-e-n and kernel power46, dmesg show the device but node is not created? Nov 20 04:56:24 (I love that last sentence :-D ) Nov 20 04:56:40 hmmm Nov 20 04:57:02 wasn't there somebody who made it work? Nov 20 04:57:46 yes but fallowing his steps leads to nowhere Nov 20 04:57:53 you'd most probably need a proper kernel module to support a usb->ethernet dongle Nov 20 04:58:42 sorry I have no such device, so I'm a bit lost on which module is needed Nov 20 04:58:59 because starting #/sbin/udhcpc gave error Nov 20 04:59:32 errrr Nov 20 05:00:15 that's really rather late a step in setting up an IP connection Nov 20 05:00:45 SIOCGIFINDEX filed: No shuch device Nov 20 05:00:58 I needet some time to reproduce it now Nov 20 05:02:07 the main problem is that in /dev/ is not ctreated any node for that nea attached usb2net Nov 20 05:02:26 first thing to happen: kernel detect and enumerates new USB device. step 2: proper driver gets loaded -> some new network device shows up in syslog and in #ifconfig Nov 20 05:02:28 one is RTL8150 Nov 20 05:03:07 the other adapter is MOSCIP 7830 Nov 20 05:04:08 usually ethenet-dongles are greedy, and won't run properly from N900's 200mA max VBUS power Nov 20 05:04:19 the fist step is hapening the device is reportet in dmesg but may be proper driver is not loaded and because of that node is not created Nov 20 05:05:03 or device gets enumerated and then VBUS breaks down, so in dmesg some errors showing up later on? Nov 20 05:05:14 I measured the power consumation on both RTL= Imax=131mA Nov 20 05:05:24 when it is active Nov 20 05:05:29 good Nov 20 05:05:54 so we need to check if and what module gets loaded, and what it says Nov 20 05:05:54 the other one moscip Imax=185mA Nov 20 05:05:57 i think i just realized how i can get 4 channels of analog control from a headphone out Nov 20 05:06:16 pupnik: ??? Nov 20 05:06:43 well i could build a circuit to split positive and negative voltage on each channel Nov 20 05:06:49 how to check which modules are loaded? lsmod? Nov 20 05:06:55 aah, actuator, not sensor Nov 20 05:06:55 lsmod Nov 20 05:07:02 yea Nov 20 05:07:22 DocScrutinizer: why not use a n900 to control a generic quadcopter with the audio headphones Nov 20 05:07:50 maybe because hostmode is much cleaner a solution? Nov 20 05:07:52 it can handle the stabilization, n900 can do the gps and 3g/ web-based controling Nov 20 05:08:03 oh Nov 20 05:08:07 nice Nov 20 05:08:30 lsmode, report no modules for 8150 either 7830 or may be they are with different names Nov 20 05:08:33 i'd like something that can do waypoints and unattended patrols Nov 20 05:08:53 mveplus: you need to check dmesg/syslog Nov 20 05:09:30 it should tell you which module is loaded. Also a lsmod prior to and after connecting the dongle should help Nov 20 05:09:49 modinfo xyz.ko also is a nice one Nov 20 05:10:54 for both devices says: new USB device found...idvendor, idproduct , and product are reported corectly Nov 20 05:11:13 mveplus: after connecting the dongle, next thing is a lsusb I'd think Nov 20 05:11:14 will check it now Nov 20 05:11:50 the also a lsusb -v -d vendor:product Nov 20 05:12:05 (check exact syntax, I might be wrong) Nov 20 05:15:13 this is the righr syntaxis Nov 20 05:15:54 lsusb report details about device what to look for? Nov 20 05:16:25 if it's not reporting device-not-found or any errors, then the device is up and steady Nov 20 05:16:29 that's good Nov 20 05:16:52 did you notice anything new in lsmod? Nov 20 05:17:13 do you have a linux PC? Nov 20 05:17:37 could you plug in the dongle to linux PC and check there for name of module? Nov 20 05:17:41 yes Nov 20 05:17:51 (also if it works at all there, at least) Nov 20 05:17:59 tI have linux mint/ubuntu based Nov 20 05:18:26 it recognise both and they are just working right away Nov 20 05:18:27 should be good enough Nov 20 05:18:37 do a lsmod >x Nov 20 05:18:42 plug dongle Nov 20 05:18:45 do a lsmod >y Nov 20 05:18:49 diff x y Nov 20 05:19:56 well, now that you already pluged them before, your modules stay loaded :-P Nov 20 05:20:11 no diffs to be found if you do it again now Nov 20 05:20:36 maybe you can spot the right module in lsmod Nov 20 05:20:57 a modinfo will make sure it's the right module Nov 20 05:21:01 I get it will start over and come with result after a moment Nov 20 05:26:46 equal and Nov 20 05:27:06 ops that was not for here Nov 20 05:34:30 diff on the first module MOSCIP 7832 does not report any diff Nov 20 05:35:00 on the second one RTL8150 report only ipv6 Nov 20 05:35:34 please pastebin lsmod Nov 20 05:35:37 so that should mean no suitable module loaded, right? Nov 20 05:36:54 paste output here? Nov 20 05:38:06 asking because it's long Nov 20 05:39:50 sorry, disconnected Nov 20 05:40:58 lsmod Nov 20 05:41:29 Module Size Used by pn_pep 13184 0 vfat 9600 2 fat 43740 1 vfat sd_mod 20692 0 scsi_mod 82400 1 sd_mod iphb 3300 1 rfcomm 33684 14 panic_info_buff 2820 0 sco 9544 2 l2cap 21060 9 rfcomm ext3 97348 1 omaplfb Nov 20 05:41:30 don't paste here! Nov 20 05:41:46 Ops, Sorry Nov 20 05:43:12 Thanks for th ehelp Nov 20 05:44:28 I'm writing here for the first time... Nov 20 05:47:24 mveplus: you said your dongle works fine on PC Nov 20 05:49:01 yes Nov 20 05:49:04 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12258575/Losgs/x_with_nodevice_conected Nov 20 05:49:13 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12258575/Losgs/y_h-e-n_MC7832 Nov 20 05:49:28 on N900 did you #ifconfig -a ? Nov 20 05:49:35 minus the ? Nov 20 05:49:39 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12258575/Losgs/z_h-e-n_RTL8150 Nov 20 05:51:13 report only these: lo,phonet0,wlan0, wmaster0 Nov 20 05:51:13 mveplus: please also pastebin the dmesg/syslog of h-e-n_RTL8150 Nov 20 05:53:00 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12258575/Losgs/rtl8150 Nov 20 05:54:42 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12258575/Losgs/msc7832 Nov 20 06:00:04 yes, N900 doesn't load a kernel module. Does your PC load a kernel module? Nov 20 06:01:05 I.E. what new device shows up on your PC, for #ifconfig -a, after plug in of realtek RTL8150 ? Nov 20 06:05:23 sorry was disconected Nov 20 06:05:32 yes, N900 doesn't load a kernel module. Does your PC load a kernel module? Nov 20 06:05:39 I.E. what new device shows up on your PC, for #ifconfig -a, after plug in of realtek RTL8150 ? Nov 20 06:06:13 mveplus: do a #find /sys/devices -name "*$your_device_name*" Nov 20 06:06:59 where $your_device_name is the name of new device as shows up in #ifconfig -a after plugin if realtek to your PC Nov 20 06:08:05 like this: Nov 20 06:08:10 halley:~ # find /sys/devices -name "*eth0*" Nov 20 06:08:12 /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:04.0/net/eth0 Nov 20 06:08:35 halley:~ # ll /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:04.0/net/eth0/device/driver Nov 20 06:08:37 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Nov 20 06:38 /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:04.0/net/eth0/device/driver -> ../../../bus/pci/drivers/sis190 Nov 20 06:09:00 halley:~ # modinfo sis190 Nov 20 06:09:01 filename: /lib/modules/2.6.31.5-0.1-desktop/kernel/drivers/net/sis190.ko Nov 20 06:09:12 description: SiS sis190/191 Gigabit Ethernet driver Nov 20 06:09:27 on a pc load this module >rtl8150 Nov 20 06:09:46 :nod: Nov 20 06:09:51 no surprise Nov 20 06:10:08 so you need this module for N900 Nov 20 06:10:23 on the PC show eth3 Nov 20 06:10:26 of course built for maemo, for power kernel Nov 20 06:11:28 okey, will try to build it but I do not know if cold do it for N900 Nov 20 06:11:48 you can try a #modprobe rtl8150 Nov 20 06:12:11 but I'm rather sure it's missing the rtl8150.ko Nov 20 06:12:40 ask MohammadAG or titan to build that module for you Nov 20 06:12:46 also the other one Nov 20 06:13:04 when I try that get err: FATAL: Module rtl8150 not found. Nov 20 06:13:10 yep Nov 20 06:13:29 it nonexistent Nov 20 06:13:59 yes, now i'm shure, thanks to you! Nov 20 06:14:19 yw Nov 20 06:16:12 check name of module for MC7832 on your PC, then ask MohammadAG to build rtl8150.ko and mcxyxy.ko for you Nov 20 06:19:54 will do that thnak you - for the other is mcs7830.ko Nov 20 06:20:09 mveplus: you should do a 'modinfo rtl8150' and also a modinfo for that other module, on your PC. And add the full output to your request for those modules Nov 20 06:20:39 okey that is very helpfull Nov 20 06:20:45 will do it Nov 20 06:23:01 Guys, how do i resolve this . global name 'QMaemo5ValueButton' is not defined Nov 20 06:23:13 define it :-P Nov 20 06:23:44 i have already done. "apt-get install python2.5 python2.5-qt4-core pytho2.5-qt4-gui" Nov 20 06:24:22 i suppose it should bring in all the qt libraries. Nov 20 06:24:26 trumee: had to tell what's missing or odd Nov 20 06:24:30 hard* Nov 20 06:24:55 great hepl - Thank you!!! Nov 20 06:26:39 DocScrutinizer, crap. dont tell me i need to reflash my phone Nov 20 06:26:44 trumee: QMaemo5ValueButton might be a completely different namespace/domain though. Maybe unrelated to python Nov 20 06:27:20 is there any other app which relies on QMaemo5ValueButton? Nov 20 06:27:43 DocScrutinizer, i am trying to run cutetube. Nov 20 06:27:47 it's really not easy to tell which lib has a particular symbol, if you have no clue who's asking for that symbol and where it's supposed to be Nov 20 06:28:58 trumee: try google Nov 20 06:29:43 DocScrutinizer, the code references PyQt. is python2.5-qt package same as PyQt? Nov 20 06:30:33 nfc Nov 20 06:30:39 trumee: try google Nov 20 06:36:07 DocScrutinizer, from PyQt4.QtMaemo5 import QMaemo5ListPickSelector, QMaemo5AbstractPickSelector, QMaemo5InformationBox, QMaemo5ValueButton Nov 20 06:36:31 DocScrutinizer, seems my PyQt is broken Nov 20 06:37:01 or the name has changed Nov 20 06:37:08 have you asked google? Nov 20 06:37:14 yes i did. Nov 20 06:37:58 make sure there are no unprintable chars in that line Nov 20 06:38:09 delete the name and write it again Nov 20 06:41:32 IroN900:~# python Nov 20 06:41:34 Python 2.5.4 (r254:67916, May 17 2010, 21:00:32) Nov 20 06:41:35 [GCC 4.2.1] on linux2 Nov 20 06:41:37 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. Nov 20 06:41:38 >>> from PyQt4.QtMaemo5 import QMaemo5ListPickSelector Nov 20 06:41:40 >>> from PyQt4.QtMaemo5 import QMaemo5ValueButton Nov 20 06:41:41 >>> Nov 20 06:42:30 that's still a 1.2 system though Nov 20 06:43:11 nfc if that's another present of qt4.7 or whatever that new crap is called Nov 20 06:44:47 from PyQt4.QtMaemo5 import QMaemo5ValueButton Nov 20 06:45:01 ImportError: No module named QtMaemo5 Nov 20 06:45:12 is what i get! Nov 20 06:45:57 so there you are Nov 20 06:46:23 my phone is PR1.3. Nov 20 06:47:02 so why dont i have PyQt? i did install all the python-qt4 libraries. Nov 20 06:47:11 your version of PyQt4 has no QtMaemo5, or you don't even have (access to) PyQt4 Nov 20 06:49:10 from PyQt4 import *, works ok. Nov 20 06:51:16 //usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyQt4 Nov 20 06:51:27 help() Nov 20 06:51:54 DocScrutinizer, solved! Nov 20 06:52:01 PyQt4 Nov 20 06:52:20 apt-get install python2.5-qt4-maemo5 Nov 20 06:52:30 DocScrutinizer, thanks Nov 20 06:52:34 yw Nov 20 08:08:01 Hello Nov 20 08:42:23 Hu Nov 20 08:42:24 hi Nov 20 08:42:55 How can I format completly my N900 ? Nov 20 08:43:09 tr4sk: flash both COMBINED and VANILLA Nov 20 08:43:23 When I flash it, some settings stay Nov 20 08:43:26 lies Nov 20 08:43:49 them's fighting words Nov 20 08:44:00 If you flash the emmc image, all personal data is gone. Then flash the Fiasco image to bring the OS back Nov 20 08:44:10 (A new copy, that is) Nov 20 08:45:19 the only things that could stay are the things in cal, such as the "personal code" Nov 20 08:57:20 kerio: thx :) I understand now Nov 20 08:57:44 RobbieThe1st: Thx :) Nov 20 09:51:15 morning alls :) Nov 20 09:51:50 anyone able to answer a queen bee question? want to know if something is possible ? :) Nov 20 09:52:11 hi chaps Nov 20 09:52:21 morning lardman :) Nov 20 09:52:28 NooBmonk3y: ask away, see if someone answers Nov 20 09:53:23 I'm doing some tidying up, and namely fixing the Octave package in extras-devel - it has a build-time dep on texinfo, but this is also brought across into a run-time dep, how should I fix this? Nov 20 09:53:42 hehehe ok, well i moved to ubunti last week, and managed to last night successfully ssh from n900 to pc :).... then with a few extra commands that i will never remember of the top of my head, tunnel through using vnc... so a) is there a way to simplify, or b) use queenbee to run a few commands to do it, then launch vnc etc? (Ie put it all on one button?) Nov 20 09:53:54 s/ubunti/ubuntu/ Nov 20 09:53:55 NooBmonk3y meant: hehehe ok, well i moved to ubuntu last week, and managed to last night successfully ssh from n900 to pc :).... then with a few extra commands that i will never remember of the top of my head, tunnel through using vnc... so a) is there a way to simplify, o... Nov 20 09:54:13 ooo octave? :P no idea what that is Nov 20 09:54:40 or b) use queen bee to run multiple commands Nov 20 09:54:48 was the end of that sentence lol Nov 20 09:54:51 Or, stick it all in a shellscript? Nov 20 09:54:59 RobbieThe1st, or c) lol Nov 20 09:55:35 what's QueenBee? Nov 20 09:55:42 desktop widget Nov 20 09:55:45 and fwiw Nov 20 09:55:48 ~octave Nov 20 09:55:49 . URL: http://bevo.che.wisc.edu/octave/ Nov 20 09:56:31 so basically i need to start the ssh connection, then run ssh -L 5900:localhost:5900 me@puter.ip then run x11vnc -safer -localhost -nopw -once -display :0, then run the vnc client to localhost:5900 Nov 20 09:56:52 lardman, http://wiki.maemo.org/Queen_BeeCon_Widget Nov 20 09:57:02 thanks, just found that Nov 20 09:57:37 NooBmonk3y: Make a shellscript with those commands, then use QBCW to launch it, if you need Nov 20 09:57:58 cool thanks RobbieThe1st, i assume that is a .sh script, just with the commands in it? Nov 20 09:58:13 * NooBmonk3y is slowly learning :) Nov 20 09:58:21 NooBmonk3y: you can run ssh in the background, so if you've got key auth setup: ssh ... && vnc ... Nov 20 09:58:22 Well, a "proper" shell script has the first line as "#!/bin/sh" Nov 20 09:58:24 lardman, that website wont load? Nov 20 09:58:28 and "#! /bin/sh" as the first line Nov 20 09:58:32 ahhh ok, will go wiki shell scripts hehe Nov 20 09:58:38 http://www.gnu.org/software/octave/ Nov 20 09:58:46 infobot: Octave is http://www.gnu.org/software/octave/ Nov 20 09:58:46 ...but octave is already something else... Nov 20 09:58:51 doh! Nov 20 09:59:00 ooo wow! Nov 20 09:59:00 But yea, it's just a text file. Heck, you don't even need to use .sh at the end Nov 20 09:59:14 lol RobbieThe1st thank you very much :) Nov 20 10:00:33 One thing to note though: You have to mark it as excecutable, so you can run it. In order to do this, you can't have it on the FAT32 MyDocs partition(inside /home/user is fine, though) To mark a file as excecutable, run "chmod +x ./filename" Nov 20 10:01:00 And, feel free to ask me anything about Ubuntu; I'm always willing to help out a fellow Linux user. Nov 20 10:02:24 thanks RobbieThe1st , creating the script on my ubuntu pc, will then putty it over to the n900 and chmod it :) Nov 20 10:02:38 hehehe! :) - wooop, Nov 20 10:02:45 morning kerio Nov 20 10:02:58 wtf, using putty under linux? Nov 20 10:03:06 ^^ Nov 20 10:03:19 hmm, with live wallpaper I don't seem to be able to enable another desktop Nov 20 10:03:29 On Linux, all you need to do is type "ssh user@host" from a terminal. Nov 20 10:03:54 In the case of -my- n900 and usb networking, I'd do "ssh root@192.168.2.15" Nov 20 10:03:56 NooBmonk3y: just scp i over: scp /path/to/file/on/ubuntu :/path/to/place/script Nov 20 10:04:10 HRH_H_Crab, ya lost me ;) lol Nov 20 10:04:12 MohammadAG: That kernel fix makes a big difference to the use of my N900 as a handwarmer after a night of charging, thanks :) Nov 20 10:04:37 NooBmonk3y: type "man scp" on your ubuntu machine Nov 20 10:04:43 will explain a lot better than i can! ;) Nov 20 10:04:51 NooBmonk3y, or you can just get something like filezilla/sshfs Nov 20 10:05:02 * NooBmonk3y has got filzilla :) Nov 20 10:05:06 There's many ways of doing things Nov 20 10:05:07 file*zilla Nov 20 10:05:09 On linux Nov 20 10:05:17 or he can use putty Nov 20 10:05:24 i , in most cases prefer the non terminal way as i'm still learning lol Nov 20 10:05:26 sigh you freaks Nov 20 10:05:30 Putty on -linux-? Nov 20 10:05:33 steinex, i have putty too, and can use that too :P Nov 20 10:05:34 putty is not needed under linux Nov 20 10:05:46 RobbieThe1st: there is a putty build for linux i believe Nov 20 10:05:47 RobbieThe1st, putty ssh client it is called Nov 20 10:05:51 ive nver tried it Nov 20 10:05:58 it works :P Nov 20 10:05:58 *blink*... why? Nov 20 10:06:12 doh, I think the runtime texinfo dep is my fault Nov 20 10:06:13 some people probably want the GUI, mouse feels Nov 20 10:06:17 RobbieThe1st, because.... when a windows user moves to ubuntu, thwey know what it is lol Nov 20 10:06:52 i.e. like when running mirc just to chat on irc under linux? ;) Nov 20 10:06:58 lol Nov 20 10:07:24 did pr1.3 bring qt4.7? Nov 20 10:07:27 yup Nov 20 10:07:39 Speaking of GUI - Dolphin (file manager) will let you setup SSH "places", and access it just like a (slow) drive/folder Nov 20 10:07:54 RobbieThe1st, have to admit i tried dolphin, and oddly couldnt get it working :P Nov 20 10:07:56 RobbieThe1st: or just use standard ubuntu nautilus Nov 20 10:08:01 yeah Nov 20 10:08:03 prefer nautilus Nov 20 10:08:18 I use KDE; I've never tried using nautilus for SSH Nov 20 10:08:22 RobbieThe1st: sftpfs always used to crash for me Nov 20 10:08:28 Huh Nov 20 10:08:30 if one can get sshfs to work, you can use whatever frontend to manage file transfers/viewing between ssh client and daemon Nov 20 10:08:38 or that one, sshfs Nov 20 10:09:03 * lardman twiddles thumbs while Octave builds Nov 20 10:09:27 building octave for n900 or what? Nov 20 10:10:25 yeah Nov 20 10:10:41 I built it in Jan actually, but it's had a runtime dep issue since then Nov 20 10:10:56 cool Nov 20 10:11:02 good to have it Nov 20 10:11:09 am I right in thinking that the current SDK builds with vfp etc enabled by default? Nov 20 10:11:32 I'm looking at building this as a ui: http://cberger.net/Programs/Kalculus.html Nov 20 10:11:44 yacas should also be in extras-devel so that would be good for both Nov 20 10:14:36 hmm, suppose I might need to optify Octave too Nov 20 10:15:52 do you lot all have extras-devel permanently enabled? there seems to be a lot of warnings against doing so, but lets face it, thats where all the cool stuff is. Nov 20 10:15:55 how dangerous is it? Nov 20 10:16:12 am i likely to lose the ability to make and receive calls? :P Nov 20 10:16:13 HRH_H_Crab: its' as dangerous as the person using it :P Nov 20 10:16:29 I'd stick to testing. Nov 20 10:16:38 I enable devel when I want something specifically. Nov 20 10:16:41 so provided i dont go mental with stuff like the kernel i cant break much? Nov 20 10:16:52 Well, you can, it's just not as likely. Nov 20 10:16:58 Eh, not so much. You can break a lot of things. Nov 20 10:17:08 the problem is that if you install something from devel Nov 20 10:17:13 and then disable it Nov 20 10:17:18 you wont get updates will you? Nov 20 10:17:28 It's just up to you to be responsible about what you install, understand the risks, maybe do a bit of research like ask on the forums and here about others' experiences with that specific package etc. Nov 20 10:17:44 im still very new Nov 20 10:17:53 if i do hose things, i can always re-flash right? Nov 20 10:17:58 and i'll just lose settings? Nov 20 10:18:05 Yeah Nov 20 10:18:15 Unless your emmc gets corrupt, then you might lose all your data :) Nov 20 10:18:17 Personally, my advice for extras-devel is that if you're gonna take the risk, at least back things up once in a while. Heck, use BackupMenu and save yourself some effort Nov 20 10:18:40 yeah ive been backing up regularly to sd using the applet thingy Nov 20 10:18:48 I have it enabled all the time, no problems, ymmv Nov 20 10:19:15 if its as "dangerous" as debian unstable i think i'll be o.k. Nov 20 10:19:35 It's probably more dangerous :P Nov 20 10:19:38 heh Nov 20 10:19:43 thats a bit scary Nov 20 10:19:50 any optification gurus about? What's the best plan? use --prefix=/opt in the Makefile? Nov 20 10:20:05 lardman: --prefix=/opt/usr Nov 20 10:20:11 well if its quite hard for me to do anything that would prevent me from getting back to a fresh out of the box state Nov 20 10:20:15 im not too worried Nov 20 10:20:24 alterego: do I then need to manually create symblinks for my binary? Nov 20 10:20:44 Remember, extras-devel is where all developers upload to. So, things that are slightly-tested or not-tested get uploaded there. Nov 20 10:20:47 lardman: what kind of application is it? Command line? Nov 20 10:20:57 Octave Nov 20 10:21:14 so has executable, some libs, lots of script files Nov 20 10:21:31 yeah command line Nov 20 10:21:31 i dont think ive got testing enabled either Nov 20 10:21:41 Well, just add /opt/usr/bin to your PATH enviornment variable. Nov 20 10:21:49 i wonder if there is any cool stuff in there i havent seen Nov 20 10:22:07 I'm going to be using it from a separate ui though, so it will need to be on the path Nov 20 10:24:20 Well, if you're creating a ui, you don't need path just call it as: /opt/usr/bin/Octave Nov 20 10:25:08 I guess it's the done thing to add a package-dependant part to the opt path? Nov 20 10:25:19 /opt/octave-2.3/usr Nov 20 10:25:22 etc? Nov 20 10:25:50 I will still need a symlink though, some people will no doubt want to run it from the command line, but that's fair enough Nov 20 10:37:18 * lardman doesn't look forward to experimenting with creating symlinks for Octave considering how long it takes to build Nov 20 10:37:56 Hrm, /me wonders what the point in creating a new model for telemetry data was for. Nov 20 10:38:06 I think I just did it for the sake of it :/ Nov 20 10:38:24 you wanted to learn about model-view, you sadist you Nov 20 10:38:35 masochist actually Nov 20 10:38:45 I know about model-view Nov 20 10:40:09 For some reason I thought it would make my UI easier Nov 20 10:40:23 But I'm not display tabular data, I'm displaying the most recent record only .. Nov 20 10:41:02 Oh wait, now I remember why .. Nov 20 10:41:10 Data Formatting, Nov 20 10:41:20 * alterego bangs head and continues working on it ^.^ Nov 20 10:43:57 sadist and masochist in one? Nov 20 10:46:22 with your name? ;) Nov 20 10:47:02 ha Nov 20 10:47:02 Well, it kind of works :) Nov 20 10:47:30 I wanted a unified place which deals with data formatting, so I didn't have code that loaded the format configuration option from all over the pace. Nov 20 10:48:58 hmm, dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: format of `NEEDED liboctinterp.so' not recognized Nov 20 10:51:38 does xchat on N900 eat a lot of bandwidth? I cant stream video and have xchat running at the same time. Nov 20 10:53:25 trumee: shouldn't do, but then, that depends if you're logged into 1k channels or not :P Nov 20 10:53:54 also depends on the type of connection you have used as well Nov 20 10:54:07 alterego, just 2 channels. Once i close xchat video is smooth. Nov 20 10:54:30 using wifi, pretty good connection Nov 20 10:54:34 Interesting, Nov 20 10:54:38 What does 'top' say? Nov 20 10:55:56 top: off Nov 20 10:56:18 alterego, mediaplayer pauses when it looses focus. so will have to ssh from another machine Nov 20 10:57:03 Well, I meant top from xchat in background Nov 20 10:57:08 Which is obviously causing you issues :) Nov 20 10:58:21 alterego, pretty low Nov 20 10:59:06 3.5 percent for xchat Nov 20 11:00:17 drat, no ruby qt Nov 20 11:01:14 I can build it for you if you want lardman? :) Nov 20 11:01:34 alterego: are you a ruby dev? Nov 20 11:01:44 I was the ruby-maemo dev a whiile ago. Nov 20 11:01:47 Then I lost interest. Nov 20 11:01:50 ah ok Nov 20 11:02:01 I implemented all the hildon bindings and such. Nov 20 11:02:10 Do you reckon it's worth using a UI which uses Ruby as the frontend for Octave? Nov 20 11:02:22 or rather the UI is written in Ruby Nov 20 11:02:34 Well, personally, I would have thought Qt/C++ using libOctave :P Nov 20 11:02:48 I know Nov 20 11:02:55 You're probably better off using Python as it has all the maemo-isms Nov 20 11:03:21 I'll have to write that myself rather than using someone else's code though Nov 20 11:03:35 Ah, okay. Nov 20 11:03:40 Well, how complicated can it be? Nov 20 11:04:03 I was thinking more of the speed and extra stuff that has to be installed Nov 20 11:04:12 not complicated, time consuming Nov 20 11:04:42 Well, speed isn't a problem, because you're still using the compiled binaries for most of the computation. Nov 20 11:04:54 The only time you'll have speed issues is with python/ruby startup times. Nov 20 11:07:57 hmm, QtOctave looks like it might be a goes Nov 20 11:08:00 thanks alterego Nov 20 11:08:19 argh, wrong quilt version Nov 20 11:10:12 :) Nov 20 11:13:06 could someone explain what the "enhanced linux kernel for power users (obsolete)" package actually does? Nov 20 11:13:25 what are the consequences of installing / not installing it? Nov 20 11:13:52 ah I hate moving packages across from uptodate Debian Nov 20 11:13:53 Power Kernel allows OCing and a few other things Nov 20 11:13:55 if "installing" is even the right word... :| Nov 20 11:14:06 RobbieThe1st: i have it installed for ipv6 Nov 20 11:14:07 HRH_H_Crab: it's obsolete, so don't install it Nov 20 11:14:14 i have no interest in overclocking Nov 20 11:14:18 I'm thinking that particular package is just an older version Nov 20 11:14:31 the updated kernel has overclocking, fix for 500MHz CPU when charging, and iirc more kernel modules Nov 20 11:14:37 hm Nov 20 11:14:43 Is that V46? Nov 20 11:14:44 how do you overclock on the new kernel lardman? Nov 20 11:14:56 oh maybe it doesn't then Nov 20 11:15:05 I take it back Nov 20 11:15:05 "/usr/sbin/kernel-config" Nov 20 11:15:18 ok so same as the poewr kernel Nov 20 11:15:19 lets see Nov 20 11:15:32 not found Nov 20 11:15:45 note im not talking about "enhanced power kernel" Nov 20 11:15:47 I think you need kernel-power-settings or something Nov 20 11:15:56 im talking about "enhanced power kernel (obsolete)" Nov 20 11:16:04 i understand what the former is for Nov 20 11:16:06 What's the -version-? Nov 20 11:16:12 the latter just confuses the hell out of me Nov 20 11:16:15 hmm, cmake not supported by cdbs Nov 20 11:16:21 It's just an old version of it, I'm pretty sure Nov 20 11:16:34 2.6.28-maemo24 Nov 20 11:16:34 Probably because people were complaining about u-boot in the new version Nov 20 11:16:53 kerne-power-settings installs the pwoer kernel as a dependency. Nov 20 11:16:56 so im prob. safe to leave well alone if all else is working how i want? Nov 20 11:19:11 yes, fiddling with kernel flashing is potentially brick-time Nov 20 11:20:00 You can find your current kernel with 'uname -a' along with everything else Nov 20 11:20:21 RobbieThe1st: yeah i know that Nov 20 11:20:41 hm how do you upgrade to pr1.3 Nov 20 11:20:44 i understand what the power kernel is and i understand how to find my current version Nov 20 11:20:50 i assume im not running it, my kernel is from august. Nov 20 11:21:00 tristan__, either via ota, flashing or using pc-suite Nov 20 11:21:11 ota it hsould appear in uh Nov 20 11:21:18 update from the applications thing, yes? Nov 20 11:21:25 HRH: So, what's the problem? Nov 20 11:21:28 what i dont understand is wierdo packages showing up in my list of installable packages the description of which tells me to REMOVE (in caps no less) them. Nov 20 11:21:34 HAM, yes, should be appearing as maemo5 iirc Nov 20 11:21:42 you have extras-devel enabled now remember Nov 20 11:21:50 It just means that they left it for compatibility Nov 20 11:22:04 hm maybe i do have it then Nov 20 11:22:05 so people with it installed won't end up with a broken system Nov 20 11:22:11 ive decided im just going to leave things how they are. Nov 20 11:22:15 :) Nov 20 11:22:19 tristan__, what do you mean by that? Nov 20 11:22:19 i dont see it in update at all Nov 20 11:22:33 but it says it was released oct 25th Nov 20 11:22:41 yet my kernel is from aug 6. Nov 20 11:22:44 tristan__, well to check if you have pr1.3 installed, go into about product under settings Nov 20 11:22:45 but i cant ota update. Nov 20 11:22:56 im in the about product section Nov 20 11:23:03 version 20.2010.36.2 Nov 20 11:23:16 yeah that's pr1.3 Nov 20 11:23:30 hm so it is Nov 20 11:23:46 but why does it say released oct 25th yet my kernel is older. Nov 20 11:23:52 surely thats the date the kernel was installed Nov 20 11:24:26 where does it say it was released october 25th? Nov 20 11:24:48 Maemo 5 PR1.3 was released on October 25, 2010, together with an update of the SDK for developers. The product version is 20.2010.36-2. Nov 20 11:24:51 wiki. Nov 20 11:24:59 right version. just the date. Nov 20 11:25:39 kernel version (nokia's kernel) should remain the same however if one does OTA update, the version of the kernel included is newer than pr1.2 iirc Nov 20 11:25:49 hmm. Nov 20 11:25:50 Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown Nov 20 11:26:23 yeah that output might also be the same as on pr1.2 Nov 20 11:26:46 so. the kernel and update i am running makes the power-kernel obsolete? and i can overclock without it Nov 20 11:27:19 the kernel you are running right now cannot be overclocked, its nokia's standard kernel Nov 20 11:27:20 No. Nov 20 11:27:32 you can underclock however, not overclock Nov 20 11:27:49 i see. then in what way is the power kernel obsolete. is it still the only overclocking option Nov 20 11:28:42 obsolete? probably you tried to install an older power kernel? Nov 20 11:28:57 well, it was said 5 minutes ago Nov 20 11:29:28 and you downloaded the power kernel from extras right? Nov 20 11:30:00 ooh. i misread Nov 20 11:30:04 are there any issues with using the power kernel if you don't overclock, or might installation brick the device anyway? Nov 20 11:30:16 the power kernel messed up my skype on pr2. Nov 20 11:30:56 tugrik, its noted on the wiki and on the forums, generally not recommended if you don't know what you're doing Nov 20 11:31:56 how about if you do know what you're doing, as a debian user of a few years - if I follow instructions carefully should I be ok, or might the phase of the moon cause it to brick my device anyway? Nov 20 11:32:18 You can always reflash Nov 20 11:32:21 i was under the impression its pretty hard to truly brick an n900 Nov 20 11:32:27 -extremely- Nov 20 11:32:31 what RobbieThe1st I second that, and always carry backups Nov 20 11:33:31 it is annoying however to brick your n900 whilst not having access to a computer with all the right setups to get the device back to normal again Nov 20 11:34:57 RobbieThe1st: impossible Nov 20 11:34:58 True. That's why I wrote BackupMenu. The only thing I haven't gotten setup yet is a way to replace the kernel with it, but I'm not sure how much that's needed Nov 20 11:35:20 RobbieThe1st: as long as hardware isn't damaged you can recover it with only usb cable Nov 20 11:35:36 Um... what? Nov 20 11:35:59 and a computer with the flasher + firmware image Nov 20 11:36:01 i'm just claryfing that it's impossible to brick n900 Nov 20 11:36:09 While I agree, you need A, a computer, with a specific OS(no x64 W7), firmware image, flasher... Nov 20 11:36:27 And that's what we were talking about Nov 20 11:36:30 and bricked phone Nov 20 11:37:26 Also, nothing's impossible - It -is- possible to make it not work even after flashing, but it requires quite a bit of stuff to do. Nov 20 11:37:42 And -generally- even then it's recoverable. Nov 20 11:38:14 wat Nov 20 11:38:19 i flashed from 64 bit w7 Nov 20 11:38:24 Really? Nov 20 11:38:36 I recall quite a few people on forums complaining about that Nov 20 11:38:42 there is a fix Nov 20 11:38:48 disabling driver signing or something along those lines. Nov 20 11:38:52 +wiki Nov 20 11:38:53 Ah Nov 20 11:39:50 driver signing cert costs only $500 a year Nov 20 11:39:56 and nokia is going cheap way Nov 20 11:40:13 a partnership with mossad might be in order eh. Nov 20 11:41:27 jacekowski: when you make hardware that uses an awesome os, why would you want to pay $500 to a company that calls that OS a "cancer" just so it will work with their (imho) lousy OS? Nov 20 11:41:31 ;) Nov 20 11:42:00 ^^ Nov 20 11:42:02 HRH_H_Crab: you pay that to CA Nov 20 11:42:05 thats a bit of a non question Nov 20 11:42:07 HRH_H_Crab: not to microsoft Nov 20 11:42:38 jacekowski: the pressure should be on microsoft to pay so that users of their os can work with the phone! Nov 20 11:42:43 (imo) Nov 20 11:42:56 MS users have the stupid PC suite Nov 20 11:43:05 They aren't supposed to have to flash Nov 20 11:43:19 well yeah Nov 20 11:43:24 driver with pcsuite is signed Nov 20 11:43:29 so nokia can sign drivers Nov 20 11:43:36 somebody was just to lazy to sign it Nov 20 11:43:42 goodness knows what hoops linux developers have to go through to work with hardware designed for microsoft platforms... Nov 20 11:45:47 That's for sure Nov 20 11:46:56 It's amazing how well stuff works though, despite how much reverse-enginering those people have to do Nov 20 11:57:17 hmmmmmmmmmm Nov 20 11:57:30 qt creator is playing up again :| Nov 20 12:27:28 hi memo fans! Nov 20 12:28:11 I didn't get the memo Nov 20 12:28:33 maemo Nov 20 12:35:24 hi, i have upgrade my n900 with last maemo firmware (without reflashing), and now when i active silent mode pulseaudio go in segfault. It is needed a restart to return on a correct state. Anyone has same issue? Nov 20 12:36:38 in other words you did OTA upgrade? Nov 20 13:03:38 That was really strange... iPod Touch just turned on and started playing music by itself Nov 20 13:03:45 Apple's horrible coding or Ghost? Nov 20 13:03:46 :p Nov 20 13:04:16 Grr Nov 20 13:04:23 Wrong damn tshirt size from the conf Nov 20 13:04:53 GAN900, couldn't you determine that there or did everyone get the same size? Nov 20 13:06:30 Termana, didn't look at it until now Nov 20 13:06:53 They probably wouldn't have done anything anyway as they were way short on supplies Nov 20 13:07:48 GAN900: send it to meh! Nov 20 13:56:15 how can i install virtualbox in n900 or something similar? Nov 20 13:56:53 hmmm anyone here successfully got qtmobility working on ubuntu? Nov 20 13:57:00 (i mean so qtcreator can see it?) Nov 20 13:57:38 iluminator101: there is no virtualisation solution for ARM at the moment Nov 20 13:58:26 jacekowski: well, at least there is qemu available Nov 20 13:58:55 that's emulation Nov 20 13:59:34 Any virtualisation would be fairly intensive, generally, as there is no HW suport for it Nov 20 13:59:47 SpeedEvil: well, there is Nov 20 13:59:54 SpeedEvil: trustzone is perfect thing for it Nov 20 14:00:00 Well - not full virtualisation Nov 20 14:00:03 oh - yeah - that Nov 20 14:01:04 jacekowski: depends on how you use it. Nov 20 14:01:15 andax: on arm it's only emulation Nov 20 14:02:36 trustzone is not about virtualization anyway Nov 20 14:02:58 it's about isolatiion Nov 20 14:02:59 -i Nov 20 14:03:06 like protection rings in x86 Nov 20 14:03:17 well virtualisation is about isolation Nov 20 14:16:52 my usb port broke off my n900 Nov 20 14:17:39 yay, waiting on external battery charger and extra battery.. Nov 20 14:18:50 is it possible to solder a new usb port on my n900? Nov 20 14:19:38 Yes. Nov 20 14:21:49 gah Nov 20 14:22:12 i can't find my phone, but i can ping it over wlan Nov 20 14:22:17 it's on silent Nov 20 14:22:26 and, stupidly, ssh is off Nov 20 14:22:27 hey chaps Nov 20 14:22:40 there must be a clever solution to this Nov 20 14:22:59 move the wifi router and see the round trip time difference? ;) Nov 20 14:23:17 haha Nov 20 14:23:37 i don't think speed-of-light delays are relevant here Nov 20 14:23:41 but i like that Nov 20 14:23:48 well I didn't say how far to move it :D Nov 20 14:23:51 oh, there it is Nov 20 14:23:56 If you have multiple antennas on the router you don't even have to move it. Nov 20 14:23:57 it worked! Nov 20 14:24:07 that's weird, it isn't on silent Nov 20 14:24:30 it's stopped making noise again... Nov 20 14:24:47 it did this a few days ago Nov 20 14:24:57 i had to take the battery and sim out for it to start making noises Nov 20 14:25:11 anyone else had that? Nov 20 14:25:35 hmm, I've got a problem with libblas building, it doesn't generate a plain .so symlink, which afaict from the rules file it should Nov 20 14:25:50 if anyone has a spare minute or two "apt-get source blas" Nov 20 14:26:44 has anyone got a way of rigging the n900 to enable SSH automatically when connected to certain wlans? Nov 20 14:26:48 s/blas/libblas3gf Nov 20 14:27:54 hmm, that is odd, perhaps it is fixed but the version hasn't been changed Nov 20 14:36:01 ah, debian packaging issue rather than it not building Nov 20 15:01:52 tr4sk: works fine with searching for the mem-chips and frying them... Nov 20 15:02:54 Track view widget almost finished ^.^ Nov 20 15:15:55 ~moo Nov 20 15:15:56 * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass Nov 20 15:23:21 more thumb twiddling waiting for lapack to build Nov 20 15:32:31 anyone happen to know where I can get a cmake cdbs file? Nov 20 15:32:42 I see that we used to have http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/diablo_extras-devel_free_armel/libqt4cmake-dev/0.4/ Nov 20 15:32:52 which looks like it would provide what I'm after Nov 20 15:33:22 * ShadowJK wonders if there are any details on N8 power issues anywhere Nov 20 15:34:18 all i've heard is that nokia is being very tight-lipped about it Nov 20 15:34:54 sigh Nov 20 15:35:54 local radio said that nokia is having issues with it's flagship model and people are trying to get to know if they will be replaced or repaired or whatever, but apparently nokia has been saying that "everything will be covered according to the warranty, take it in to the centers" Nov 20 15:36:50 what sorts of issues are these? Nov 20 15:37:55 Anyone got any thoughts on getting QtOctave to build? It uses cmake, and cdbs and unfortunately I can't seem to see any relevant cmake cdbs packages Nov 20 15:38:28 lardman, "power management" issues Nov 20 15:38:41 that's about as much detail I've found Nov 20 15:38:59 well, main issue is some devices not turning on Nov 20 15:39:47 ok, so not bursting into flames or the like then :) Nov 20 15:39:49 ShadowJK: PEBCAK? Nov 20 15:40:19 nidO, and you can't remove battery for half a minute like on n900 :) Nov 20 15:40:22 or here PEBCAP Nov 20 15:40:30 lardman: http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/11/19/blogbite-n8-issues-explained-ovi-stores-3-million-daily-downloads-n8-apps-c7-reactions/ Nov 20 15:40:36 first thing they talk about on it Nov 20 15:41:55 I tried to open one of the conversations.nokia links but n900 went into swaphell and stopped responding until I killed the browser Nov 20 15:42:43 argh, I hate things that have audio or video links, far quicker to just read Nov 20 15:42:49 but thanks anyway nidO :) Nov 20 15:43:22 I wonder if it doesn't shut down properly and entirely when user runs the battery down, and ends up killing the battery or discharging it too empty for recharging Nov 20 15:43:22 basically nokia's saying its a manufacturing defect causing them to power down and not power back up, but theyve corrected the problem Nov 20 15:43:46 WTF a BS site is THAT?! Nov 20 15:44:12 or if they kept the safety circuit in the battery, and it doesn't reset after an abnormal situatuion until you unplug it.. Nov 20 15:45:10 haha, their fault when they don't hire proper review and QA like *me* :-P Nov 20 15:46:26 seems all their testers are all testing the same everyday standard shit all the time Nov 20 15:55:31 * lardman heads out, bbl Nov 20 15:59:21 ShadowJK: so they kill cells? Nov 20 16:00:31 aka brick phones Nov 20 16:05:16 ShadowJK: I remember a friend of mine baught a 6210 6 month after I did, back in 2000..2001. His device always was empty after max 24h while mine had a standby time of >7 days easily. Nokia had to swap whole device. It's so easy to miss something. A poorly soldered pulldown R keeping a line floating - that's just enough. Quite a number of such bugs aren't even detectable via JTAG Nov 20 16:06:01 I have nfi what they do because I have found absolutely no information about it Nov 20 16:06:35 hm, what's "configuration wizard activation settings" Nov 20 16:07:10 a meaningless blob of buzzwords? Nov 20 16:07:36 so why's the N900 throwing it at me after switching back on Nov 20 16:08:02 agree on the meaningfulness there Nov 20 16:09:45 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/N900_xterm.JPG/1280px-N900_xterm.JPG is that an overclocked n900? because mine only says 249.96 BogoMIPS Nov 20 16:11:24 WakiMiko, no... the CPU scales down when not busy Nov 20 16:11:46 if you hit the touchscreen a couple of times before ... eg on "tab", you'll see 500 Nov 20 16:14:01 "NOTE: The default configuration is being used or this window was called with a text message. Please follow this wizard... " and so on - Then "Text message activating configuration wizard" And an editable text-field with the content "to change your password, simply edit this field" Nov 20 16:14:33 ahh. Nov 20 16:14:37 sigh.. figured out what it is Nov 20 16:15:06 ah cool Nov 20 16:15:31 it's "imhere", which I installed out of curiosity what it is, damn me Nov 20 16:15:48 well, turns out it's being more cryptic after installing it Nov 20 16:16:05 ok, I knew about what it was Nov 20 16:21:52 re Nov 20 16:23:25 Anyone know where to find the CDBS source? Nov 20 16:24:45 not to worry, found the changelog Nov 20 16:27:56 Okay, so, I've now got a pannable, zoomable and rotating map view :) Nov 20 16:30:10 Now, one last view to write and I can start the testing/optimization phase ^.^ Nov 20 16:34:41 alterego: columbus? Nov 20 16:38:05 cdbs is rather old, am I able to replace it? Nov 20 16:38:14 it seems to come from the sdk repo Nov 20 16:43:30 my n900 turns off every time I make a call using my sim card Nov 20 16:43:40 few seconds into the call Nov 20 16:43:47 running the latest firmware Nov 20 16:43:54 any reason why? Nov 20 16:44:08 off or reboot? Nov 20 16:44:14 reboot Nov 20 16:44:16 sorry Nov 20 16:44:37 this didnt happen once or twice.happened quite a number of times Nov 20 16:44:42 greetings Nov 20 16:45:22 sounds pretty annoying Nov 20 16:45:26 it is Nov 20 16:45:26 I'm reading this page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK_Virtual_Images which mentions the availability of two VM images, however, for some reason, I can only find one server image, and the image seems to be older than what's advertised in the previously mentioned page Nov 20 16:45:28 fish_sticks: pastebin the following: /proc/bootreason /var/lib/dsme/stats/lifeguard_resets Nov 20 16:45:37 one sec Nov 20 16:45:47 output of those two files Nov 20 16:45:52 k Nov 20 16:46:04 where can I find the desktop VM image? Nov 20 16:46:31 /proc/bootreason is sw_rst Nov 20 16:46:44 Choom: Email maemo-developers; ISTR danielwilms saying they were taken down to be updated, but I don't remember the updated ones coming. Nov 20 16:47:02 Jaffa: k, thanks Nov 20 16:47:06 ok, sw reset, critical app killed by the kernel oom killer apparently Nov 20 16:47:13 okay Nov 20 16:47:25 and the other file should indicate what was killed Nov 20 16:47:49 and the 2nd is /usr/bin/Xorg -logfile /tmp/Xorg.0.log -logverboase 1 -n: 5 Nov 20 16:47:58 its killing Xorg each time Nov 20 16:48:01 ? Nov 20 16:48:01 interesting Nov 20 16:48:37 how large is /tmp/Xorg.0.log ? Nov 20 16:48:44 1 sec Nov 20 16:48:57 does 'll' work? Nov 20 16:49:01 what command is it? Nov 20 16:49:04 to know the size? Nov 20 16:49:11 depends whether busybox could be bothered to implement it ;) Nov 20 16:49:20 =) Nov 20 16:49:42 "ls -h"? Nov 20 16:49:42 there is no ll command Nov 20 16:49:44 anywhere Nov 20 16:49:50 it's just alias to ls -la in some distributions Nov 20 16:49:58 k Nov 20 16:50:33 ls -h doesnt fetch me the size CutMeOwnThroat Nov 20 16:50:50 not sure why Xorg would be killed with oom error Nov 20 16:51:02 though I wonder if that message applies to other things Nov 20 16:51:07 hmm Nov 20 16:51:10 what do I do? Nov 20 16:51:24 hm, indeed... no -h "ls -l" then, sorry Nov 20 16:51:32 forgot this is ... busybox or something Nov 20 16:51:34 ah yes it does, also applies to crashing app Nov 20 16:51:42 hmm Nov 20 16:51:58 so Xorg crashed, next thing to work out is why Nov 20 16:52:09 fish_sticks: http://wiki.maemo.org/Troubleshooting_boot_issues Nov 20 16:52:16 checking Nov 20 16:52:20 just explains what I've told you so far Nov 20 16:52:27 not your particular problem Nov 20 16:52:46 that should solve the problem Nov 20 16:52:47 ? Nov 20 16:53:27 stopping it from crashing will solve the problem, but first you need to know why it crashed Nov 20 16:53:43 When we compile code that uses GTK+ we use the `pkg-config --libs --cflags gtk+-2.0 ` on gcc, and when we use gtkextra, what do we use? `pkg-config --libs --cflags gtkextra-2.0 `?? i tried this one, and it compiles but not as an independent executable, someone here knows what we use on pkg-config for gtkextra?? Nov 20 16:53:46 okay Nov 20 16:54:11 lardman,so get the module? Nov 20 16:54:38 what does the Xorg log file say? Nov 20 16:54:57 1 sec Nov 20 16:55:35 I'll have to VNC to pastebin this Nov 20 16:56:08 hey Nov 20 16:56:14 anyone know what 'rx-32' might be? :) Nov 20 16:56:21 hi timeless_mbp Nov 20 16:56:32 hi Nov 20 16:56:50 its some FBDEV thing Nov 20 16:56:53 cant make out Nov 20 16:57:44 fish_sticks: I'm afraid that's all I know Nov 20 16:58:07 cat it to file and pastebin it Nov 20 16:58:09 will it help if I pastebin the log? Nov 20 16:58:19 one sec Nov 20 16:58:22 I'm off out in a tick, but someone else might have a bright idea Nov 20 16:58:39 * lardman rejoices at finally getting bloody cmake cdbs to work Nov 20 16:58:39 hmm k Nov 20 17:10:11 cu chaps Nov 20 17:12:05 Does anyone have access to file "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.UK-IRELAND_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin" as I can't get it via tablets-dev or via fds Nov 20 17:13:06 it's basically just the latest vanilla emmc with uk maps included Nov 20 17:15:46 Lantizia: please stop asking Nov 20 17:16:50 Lantizia: why don't you use the vanilla and download those damn 200MB of maps by hand? Nov 20 17:17:29 I'll stop asking when I have the file Nov 20 17:18:55 Lantizia: you are asking for illegal actions... Nov 20 17:19:08 those files are not to freely redistribute Nov 20 17:19:29 the vanilla emmc is... and the maps are... so this isn't... how? Nov 20 17:20:00 my Xorg keeps restarting when I make calls using the sim card.can anyone help me out? Nov 20 17:20:06 Lantizia: as they are not released Nov 20 17:20:06 here is the Xorg log Nov 20 17:20:07 http://pastebin.ca/1997219 Nov 20 17:21:10 chem|st, they are released as they are mentioned in the readme files of the nokia care packages Nov 20 17:21:19 chem|st, they just are not on tablets-dev Nov 20 17:22:42 what ever... if they aren't at tablets-dev then they are not released for public use Nov 20 17:23:03 anybody? Nov 20 17:23:23 fish_sticks: have you installed software from the SDK and/or devel? Nov 20 17:23:25 umm the UK PR 1.3 is not on tablets-dev... neither are the Vodaphone versions of all versions... yet they are freely downloadable from nokia FDS Nov 20 17:23:29 your reasoning is flawed Nov 20 17:23:32 yes I have chem|st Nov 20 17:23:54 Lantizia: if they are freely downloadable why dont you do? Nov 20 17:24:06 chem|st, the emmc is not on there (as far as I can tell) Nov 20 17:24:25 fish_sticks: did you do a apt-get dist-upgrade with SDK repo active? Nov 20 17:24:26 but your rationale of "not on tablets-dev" thus "not released" is nonsense Nov 20 17:24:40 as tablets-dev has been known to be missing many files in the past Nov 20 17:24:40 chem|st, dont think so Nov 20 17:24:43 should I? Nov 20 17:24:58 fish_sticks: NO never Nov 20 17:25:05 it's just a linux box ffs and someone has to copy the files to /var/tabletsdev/nokia_N900/downloads/ Nov 20 17:25:08 okay Nov 20 17:25:24 so what do you think is the problem? Nov 20 17:25:32 Lantizia: if you got no access to download the files from a proper chanel you are not in a legal state! Nov 20 17:26:20 Lantizia: and megaxxxload is not a proper channel Nov 20 17:26:40 you may use megaxxxload... I never even mentioned it - whatever it is Nov 20 17:26:53 and the idea of it not being available for download = illegal is nonsense Nov 20 17:27:28 well, it's not nonsense at all, a collection is as much copyrightable as the information comprising it Nov 20 17:27:32 not available for download is not available for download... insert reason here... it doesn't mean a thing about it's legality Nov 20 17:27:56 can you figure something out from the Xorg pastebin? Nov 20 17:28:04 if it's not available for download it's not being officially distributed Nov 20 17:28:14 fish_sticks: I have no idea but I chose to have devel and/or SDK stuff active ONLY when I need an explicit package Nov 20 17:28:29 non-official distributions are strictly forbidden unless the licenses allow otherwise Nov 20 17:28:37 so you think I should remove it from my repo? Nov 20 17:28:48 deactivate at least Nov 20 17:28:51 oka Nov 20 17:28:53 *okay Nov 20 17:28:56 will try after that Nov 20 17:29:06 no that wont fix your problem Nov 20 17:29:17 hmm Nov 20 17:29:40 so what do you intend is the problem? Nov 20 17:30:16 looks like your input devices have a hickup and I have no idea what causes it or how to fix that Nov 20 17:30:23 you may just reflash Nov 20 17:30:37 hmm Nov 20 17:31:06 the kernel modules might be touched... have you any custom kernel installed? Nov 20 17:31:14 nope Nov 20 17:31:40 might be an hardware issue in the worst case Nov 20 17:31:50 ouch Nov 20 17:31:58 but its fine with skype Nov 20 17:32:02 did a few video calls Nov 20 17:32:21 and I did manage to do a couple of sim calls without it crashing Nov 20 17:32:24 Lantizia: please give a link where it is stated that the file is freely redistributable... so you claim Nov 20 17:32:56 chem|st, you think flashing will solve the problem? Nov 20 17:33:10 Lantizia: just because the legal note of previous releases do state does not include new releases by default Nov 20 17:33:34 chem|st, I have not said I've read it is freely re distributable but dispute your claim that it is not as you have nothing to back that claim either Nov 20 17:33:54 fish_sticks: if it doesnt it might be a hardware issue, you may try with a different sim first if it is still hanging after the reflash Nov 20 17:34:11 i tried that Nov 20 17:34:20 its restarting on both my sims Nov 20 17:34:58 chem|st, however you can see this file is mentioned as distributable if you get the nokia care file RX-51_Vanilla_10.2010.19.1_v4.0.exe Nov 20 17:35:05 Lantizia: I do not need to proof that internal and company distributed files are not automatically free to distribute globaly... Nov 20 17:36:08 or even RX-51_CARE_10.2010.19.1_v7.0.exe which specifically mentions it as it has the PR 1.2 uk release in it too Nov 20 17:36:12 then please explain why it is not available for public? Nov 20 17:36:29 negligence most likely Nov 20 17:37:01 emmc is always overlooked Nov 20 17:37:03 where do you get those from? Nov 20 17:37:32 they're on the nokia fds Nov 20 17:38:08 Hrmm, my N900 has decided to stop connecting to my home wireless network. Are there any log files I can have a look at that would give some more information about why it cannot connect? Nov 20 17:38:14 i don't see why I'm arguing this with you since you obviously don't have access anyway Nov 20 17:38:51 I imagine you've no official standing with either maemo or nokia Nov 20 17:39:44 Lantizia: link please Nov 20 17:40:47 "nokia fds" = ? Nov 20 17:41:06 Lantizia: you are looking at #maemo for official nokians who give you access to those files... good luck! Nov 20 17:41:09 frals, the server that hosts all the files that pc suite uses and the phone itself uses to self update Nov 20 17:42:06 frals: I was wondering as I cannot find anything on the servers I got access to... Nov 20 17:42:18 For example the UK PR 1.3 for vodaphone is here... http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/11/--FID--A0A22TMPQDEDM/--LID--FiRe1289563474226/RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.205.1_PR_COMBINED_205_ARM.bin Nov 20 17:42:25 Lantizia: nokia fds is not a single server Nov 20 17:42:41 even though a) the PR 1.3 isn't on tablets-dev for UK and b) vodaphone haven't even released their version of it! Nov 20 17:43:02 UK PR 1.3 is also on there, dispite the tablets-dev not having it - negligence like I said Nov 20 17:43:35 and I don't see the harm in the UK emmc for UK users who want to just restore the phone to -"COMPLETE"- defaults including the emmc that has the maps built in! Nov 20 17:43:35 Lantizia: so we are on nds2 for the start Nov 20 17:45:05 ~seen libra Nov 20 17:45:14 libra was last seen on IRC in channel #elive, 328d 13m 31s ago, saying: 'so werd mal wieder > bye'. Nov 20 17:47:25 * NooBmonk3y slaps frals with a trout Nov 20 17:47:32 * frals slaps NooBmonk3y around a bit with a large trout Nov 20 17:48:14 frals you alive? Nov 20 17:48:24 aye Nov 20 17:48:55 ... may wish he isn't after the trout Nov 20 17:54:40 chem|st, think I solved the problem.deleted rotate daemon.think that was causing the problem Nov 20 17:56:03 file... want... rawr... *RAGE* Nov 20 17:56:08 will likely ask tomorrow :) Nov 20 17:58:04 lol CutMeOwnThroat Nov 20 19:01:48 damn this channel is quiet Nov 20 19:02:35 * timeless_mbp needs help repartitioning Nov 20 19:06:04 crashanddie, we don't want to talk to you. Nov 20 19:06:21 GAN900: well, I figured that much, considering how much you've been ignoring me Nov 20 19:07:13 sucker Nov 20 19:09:15 * pupnik is still enjoying the orange juice dig on europe Nov 20 19:09:51 finally i know some food variety that is poor quality here Nov 20 19:16:24 * NooBmonk3y prods lcuk Nov 20 19:16:39 * NooBmonk3y prods MohammadAG Nov 20 19:17:00 pupnik, need to try real roadside Florida orange juice sometime. Nov 20 19:17:09 pupnik, nectar of the gods. Nov 20 19:17:26 * NooBmonk3y blinks Nov 20 19:18:21 pupnik, I'm of the opinion that your sausage has the consistency of soggy bread, too. Nov 20 19:18:59 oh hi NooBmonk3y Nov 20 19:23:34 evening :) :) Nov 20 19:23:50 lcuk, Finally got qtmobility working, and now healthcheck is on the go!! wohoooooooo Nov 20 19:24:10 it doesnt have everything i need, but its going well :) Nov 20 19:25:28 sausage would be local to dublin. orange juice in .eu is probably bottom-drawer because it's not a native food Nov 20 19:25:58 \o/ NooBmonk3y Nov 20 19:28:35 pupnik, sausage was just as bad in BCN, so dunno where it falls. Nov 20 19:28:44 Their pork was excellent otherwise, though. Nov 20 19:29:50 pupnik, meat has been poor compared to the US. Nov 20 19:30:49 GAN900, BCN had kangaroo meat Nov 20 19:30:53 it was delicious Nov 20 19:31:10 pupnik: oranges no native food in Europe? Nov 20 19:31:54 pupnik: even in Spain? Nov 20 19:32:41 As long as you pretend places like Spain, Greece, and Italy aren't in Europe. Nov 20 19:33:58 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2005orange.PNG Nov 20 19:35:25 mmm Nov 20 19:35:47 A fat, juicy American cheeseburger and a heaping mound of fried Nov 20 19:35:55 s/fried/fries Nov 20 19:36:01 That was what I was missing. Nov 20 19:37:37 errr, no McD or BC around where you were? Nov 20 19:37:56 Sure, but that's not American meat Nov 20 19:38:00 and not any good Nov 20 19:38:06 Local burger joint. Nov 20 19:38:12 with quality ground beef. Nov 20 19:38:13 hmm, yep Nov 20 19:39:05 though Scottish beef is rather top notch Nov 20 19:39:23 Irish as well Nov 20 19:39:31 Dunno if it competes with Texas. Nov 20 19:40:13 at least it'sa better than Argentinian Angus Nov 20 19:41:12 bastards are making me hungry Nov 20 19:41:19 me too :-/ Nov 20 19:41:39 a good burger isn't cheap either :( Nov 20 19:41:47 ~$12 around here Nov 20 19:42:31 i keep forgetting spaniards DocScrutinizer ... what is that place, a nature preserve? Nov 20 19:47:09 GAN900: usually beef you get here in Germany is a side product of milk production: 10 year old cows that never were 'optimized' for meat quality Nov 20 19:47:24 ah Nov 20 19:47:53 heh Nov 20 19:50:36 Irish Galloway OTOH is never seeing a stable and lives on the Irish greens al day and night until you eta them (at least that's what it's supposed to be like) Nov 20 19:51:36 ooo btw lcuk .... just about to server up a slow cooked gammon joint, been 13 hours on slow cook! :) Nov 20 19:53:49 DARN! 5 slices of salami is all I got and can eat now Nov 20 19:54:25 DocScrutinizer: go to shop Nov 20 19:54:34 or order something from chinese place Nov 20 19:54:40 these are open almost all the time Nov 20 19:58:21 NooBmonk3y, sounds delicious Nov 20 19:59:06 is there a way to provide a token to the SDK installation GUI or does it really have to generate a new one every time I try to install it? Nov 20 20:00:34 Choom: last time I checked there was no way NOT to supply the token taken from some email or similar, iirc Nov 20 20:01:14 hmm, it's not asking for an email or anything like that Nov 20 20:01:21 it just asks me to enter a code and then generates a token Nov 20 20:01:32 and it goes like that every time I visit that page Nov 20 20:01:51 by code do you mean your imei? Nov 20 20:01:52 thing is, I believe I underestimated the SDK's storage requirements Nov 20 20:02:01 and created a VM with 8GB of storage Nov 20 20:02:10 ieatlint: no Nov 20 20:02:17 yeah, probably too small :-( Nov 20 20:03:30 I'm talking about the token generated in this page: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php Nov 20 20:03:32 lol doc] Nov 20 20:03:42 sorry mail order slow cooked meat, doesnt seem to work too well :P Nov 20 20:03:53 eeeek chips, brb Nov 20 20:04:14 NooBmonk3y, tracy started making Christmas cake Nov 20 20:04:49 well... Nov 20 20:04:54 jr@halley:~> du -sh /scratchbox/ Nov 20 20:04:56 4,2G /scratchbox/ Nov 20 20:05:46 jps@ubuntu:~$ df -h Nov 20 20:05:46 Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on Nov 20 20:05:46 /dev/sda1 7.5G 6.0G 1.2G 84% / Nov 20 20:05:48 lcuk: yummy, cake Nov 20 20:05:59 LOL Nov 20 20:06:42 it just finished installing Nov 20 20:06:48 raam scratchbox # du -hcsx /opt/scratchbox/ Nov 20 20:06:54 14G total Nov 20 20:11:11 i just found out it's Saturday Nov 20 20:14:27 I just found out it's meaningless to me, except for shops being closed tomorrow Nov 20 20:18:33 lcuk, mandy started in january lol! Nov 20 20:18:45 18 in the cupboard, and 12 in the larder.... meh Nov 20 20:18:53 pity i dont like christmas cake :P Nov 20 20:19:05 LOL Nov 20 20:19:06 and she's now 15 mins late for dinner loL! Nov 20 20:19:19 aghhhh slow cooked food doesnt like heating up :( Nov 20 20:19:32 it does Nov 20 20:19:40 :( Nov 20 20:19:45 it just never tastes the same again Nov 20 20:19:49 lol true Nov 20 20:20:09 honey basted slow cooked gammon, home made chips, double yoke eggs, grrrrrrrr Nov 20 20:20:29 hey since you can make the /home partition bigger just by running something like... sed -i 's/size = 2048;/size = 8192;/' RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Nov 20 20:20:31 ship it to me Nov 20 20:20:34 that sounds nice :P Nov 20 20:20:41 hahaha, will probably be warmer then when she gets back lol Nov 20 20:20:44 you could also make the swap partition bigger... any point do you think? Nov 20 20:20:45 haha Nov 20 20:20:54 should i put on a dress and come round to yours Nov 20 20:21:00 oh baby, its a date Nov 20 20:21:19 and theres home made chocolate she made for pudding Nov 20 20:21:30 peppermint creams, hazelnut whips, and a whole load of others Nov 20 20:22:01 ooo btw, whens the next #meegoconf? may? Nov 20 20:23:47 theres a number of summits in different locations of the world Nov 20 20:24:25 NooBmonk3y, you know your meal sounds amazing tonight :) I do not know how she could be late for it :P Nov 20 20:29:16 Nokia needs to come up with a better way to do authentication Nov 20 20:29:29 entering a long password using grafitti sucks Nov 20 20:29:48 and it sucks even more trying to tap it out w/ onscreen keyboard Nov 20 20:30:21 ? Nov 20 20:30:35 * timeless_mbp doesn't think we support grafitti Nov 20 20:31:08 Hooray hardware keyboard? Nov 20 20:31:37 it needs a fingerprint reader Nov 20 20:32:07 you mean fat fingering a tiny keyboard? screw that Nov 20 20:32:09 GAN900: maybe he just thought the n900 was "bulky" Nov 20 20:32:46 lcuk, just reaalised she text me at 7:50 saying be back at 8:30........ Nov 20 20:32:49 meh, Nov 20 20:33:00 a good password looks like this: egrser%G$h6544t34dreg33$54tr3^#%#%%^gfg Nov 20 20:33:05 i better go warm it up :P hehehe Nov 20 20:33:18 try doing that with the hardware keyboard.. I bet it tedious Nov 20 20:34:45 ʇɐɥʇ ʇɐǝq - pɹoʍssɐd ʎɯ sı sıɥʇ Nov 20 20:34:47 err Nov 20 20:34:55 unixSnob: for a mobile device... Nov 20 20:35:05 a good password is probably your walking pace Nov 20 20:35:08 or something similar Nov 20 20:35:14 and should just unlock your ssh key Nov 20 20:35:18 kerio: how the heck did you do that? I didn't know the chars existed Nov 20 20:35:25 windows 7 has a security login/facial recognition thing Nov 20 20:35:37 i managed to login to hopbeats computer with a photo of him taken on my n900 Nov 20 20:35:42 unixSnob: unicode is magical! Nov 20 20:35:46 unicode is awesome Nov 20 20:36:09 ☃ Nov 20 20:36:30 ☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭ Nov 20 20:37:58 freenode would not let me use the nick ʇɐɥʇʇɐǝq Nov 20 20:40:00 hmm.. also rejected qouSxıun Nov 20 20:41:34 lcuk: HAHAHA :-D Nov 20 20:43:42 a good pic of someones ear will work in the near future, IMO Nov 20 20:43:51 ears are better than fingerprints Nov 20 20:46:46 * trumee shopping on tesco.com eats up N900 cpu like a cake. Nov 20 20:48:03 are you serious unixSnob Nov 20 20:48:58 przepraszam, a gdzie mowia po polsku ? Nov 20 20:50:53 damn, is that Polish or Ferengi or spelled backwards? Nov 20 20:51:05 it's polish Nov 20 20:51:09 MrSlawekP: nie, tutaj bija Nov 20 20:51:33 to przepraszam, ide szukac dzies inndziej. Nov 20 20:51:40 keep alternate languages to a minimum Nov 20 20:51:45 is there a doc viewer on fremantle by default ? Nov 20 20:53:07 no Nov 20 20:53:17 hi HisMajesty Nov 20 20:53:38 because there is a pdf viewer, so what should I install, what do you prefer ? Nov 20 20:53:49 lolloo: who's HisMajesty? Nov 20 20:54:22 sorry DocScrutinizer , in another channel. Nov 20 20:54:40 I typed in wrong window hehehe Nov 20 20:54:57 aah, thought it's been addressed to somebody here :-D Would fit as well Nov 20 20:55:04 hehehe Nov 20 20:59:03 koffice seems to be fair enough. Nov 20 20:59:26 what about openoffice? Nov 20 21:00:08 dunno, never tried. Nov 20 21:00:33 there is one in easy debian. Beast to start though. Nov 20 21:01:35 lolloo: yes, I was reading about it recently.. ears are more unique than fingerprints, and ear shape doesn't change significantly over time Nov 20 21:01:44 how can I get internet connection via the usb network on my N900, to download and install the packages directly on the phone ? Nov 20 21:01:56 and ears are not generally rubbed off if someone has a job working with their hands Nov 20 21:01:59 I do not have wi-fi connection here, that is why I am thinking of the usb network. Nov 20 21:02:09 wow intresting Nov 20 21:02:29 there is freoffice in extras-devel, which is a koffice based office viewer/editor Nov 20 21:03:09 what is wrong about koffice ? Nov 20 21:03:43 hmm? nothing; freoffice is just a maemo UI on top of koffice Nov 20 21:04:17 Mek, does it work well? Nov 20 21:04:38 Mek: should the koffice not work alone ? Nov 20 21:04:45 in some ways it works quite well, in other areas it has shortcomings Nov 20 21:04:55 djszapi: well, the UI doesn't really work that well on such a small screen, but sure Nov 20 21:05:24 djszapi, usb networking works a treat. Nov 20 21:05:42 your mean ? Nov 20 21:06:13 djszapi, although i could not work out bluetooth networking. Nov 20 21:06:26 I do not use bluetooth network connection Nov 20 21:06:44 i wanted my laptop internet to feed to N900, wasnt straightforward Nov 20 21:07:00 what was wrong about that ? Nov 20 21:07:50 just couldnt work that out. most of the howtos talk about using N900 as the host. i wanted the reverse. Nov 20 21:08:09 eventually, i settled with usb networking Nov 20 21:09:06 weird Nov 20 21:16:13 quick question: the FTP port; is it 21? Nov 20 21:16:21 * Lantizia nods Nov 20 21:17:41 oh nvm Nov 20 21:17:43 got it now Nov 20 21:19:57 Mek: is freoffice stable enough ? Nov 20 21:21:18 djszapi: for what? try it out and judge if it is good enough for your uses... Nov 20 21:21:56 for usage... Nov 20 21:22:00 what else... Nov 20 21:22:12 well, I don't know what kind of usage you'll have... Nov 20 21:22:19 so really, try it out and judge for your self Nov 20 21:22:24 how can you advice anything if you do not know whether it is stable enough.... Nov 20 21:22:28 no, I will not sorry. Nov 20 21:23:12 I never adviced anything, I merely pointed to it as an option of a maemo office viewer/editor Nov 20 21:23:25 k, dropped :) Nov 20 21:23:27 well, there is OO.o Nov 20 21:25:17 I do not find OO. Nov 20 21:25:36 in extra-devel at least :) Nov 20 21:26:01 and afaik freoffice is basically your only option for an office viewer/editor with an UI that is actually usable on a phone... Nov 20 21:26:27 I am not sure... Nov 20 21:27:00 more people mentioned OO and I also found other recommandations with google. Nov 20 21:27:12 so the world is not black and white :) Nov 20 21:27:52 http://forum.xufo.net/bb/viewtopic.php?t=13005&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 3D Drucker - Sammelbestellung! Nov 20 21:28:19 ok, freffice crashes immediately after I try to launch, so -1 ... Nov 20 21:52:55 alterego, ping Nov 20 21:52:58 jacekowski: beware to advice anything that you know will have any issues Nov 20 21:53:16 DocScrutinizer: why? Nov 20 21:53:38 it's funny to see small lusers struggle with crappy software Nov 20 21:54:00 alterego, I was thinking of making an alternative phone app Nov 20 21:54:09 plainly cause the native one sucks balls Nov 20 21:54:09 jacekowski: because here are users that think they hold the whole channel as their busyboys Nov 20 21:54:17 * NooBmonk3y prods MohammadAG with a large frals shaped trout Nov 20 21:56:16 jacekowski: ... and give "advice" like "there's plenty, just look!" when somebody is asking for a good book about coding, while they think they are entitled to a full usability report on all available office apps when they ask Nov 20 21:57:59 * MohammadAG stabs NooBmonk3y Nov 20 21:58:10 * NooBmonk3y thinks that is rather harsh Nov 20 21:58:35 i used a plastic knife Nov 20 21:58:40 still harsh! Nov 20 21:59:19 MohammadAG, healthcheck is back on its way :) qtmobility is working, ish Nov 20 22:08:41 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2637_video&num=1 Nov 20 22:08:47 anyone tried that patch on maemo? :) Nov 20 22:10:34 It's a patch for something that extremely few users ever encounter even on desktop Nov 20 22:13:24 if it decreases latency, I wouldn't say it is a problem encountered by extremely few users? Nov 20 22:13:58 and you haven't experienced high "desktop" latency in n900? Nov 20 22:14:20 that more bc of swapping that bc of load tho? Nov 20 22:14:25 thats Nov 20 22:15:05 not necessary Nov 20 22:15:54 hm ok... Nov 20 22:15:55 new chromium extension by J. Wales! https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/idkjdjficifbfjjkdkiimioljbloddpl Nov 20 22:16:34 anyways, would be interesting to just try that patch Nov 20 22:20:01 lol pupnik Nov 20 22:20:56 incredible URL Nov 20 22:21:43 * MohammadAG sighs of boredom Nov 20 22:21:58 update post #1! Nov 20 22:22:13 good point Nov 20 22:22:22 should also push an update Nov 20 22:22:54 yes, one that copes with post #408 as well Nov 20 22:24:04 basically no bloody moron needs a *.h in a basic pkg Nov 20 22:24:30 I'd guess that's not different for I2C-tools Nov 20 22:24:39 huh Nov 20 22:24:45 what .h? Nov 20 22:24:56 MohammadAG: it stands for "I don't know Jack D. Johnson for I couldn't identify Face-Book friends Jack, John, Kevin don't know I... I might immolate other lumber Jackers blood people" Nov 20 22:25:03 /var/cache/apt/archives/i2c-tools_3.0.2-1maemo2_armel.deb (--unpack): Nov 20 22:25:04 trying to overwrite `/usr/include/linux/i2c-dev.h', which is also in package linux-kernel-headers Nov 20 22:25:41 * MohammadAG blames ubuntu/debian packaging Nov 20 22:25:50 I so wouldn't have passed a Turrin test with that previous, sentence, would I? Nov 20 22:26:18 crashanddie, nope, you would've failed with an A Nov 20 22:27:18 crashanddie: you did for sure X-P Nov 20 22:27:44 anyone here use wyrd? Nov 20 22:27:46 crashanddie, got GH world tour? Nov 20 22:27:57 nope Nov 20 22:28:10 tugrik: only during office hours, when having to write documentation Nov 20 22:28:26 heh, no, wyrd not Word :p Nov 20 22:28:37 pronounced the same Nov 20 22:28:39 crashanddie: you are so super ontopic again, my compliments Nov 20 22:28:54 * andax gets some popcorn Nov 20 22:28:58 andax: yw Nov 20 22:29:16 * crashanddie bows Nov 20 22:30:19 crashanddie: bows for popcorn? Nov 20 22:30:28 andax: I'm grateful he stopped my similar looking attempts to make some sense of that URL Nov 20 22:30:30 * andax spends some popcorn to #maemo Nov 20 22:30:56 andax: and I'm the one being offtopic? Nov 20 22:31:17 crashanddie, Scream Aim Fire is an asshole on drums, and no, I'm the one being off topic :P Nov 20 22:32:17 crashanddie: i did not say you're offtopic Nov 20 22:32:41 just drop the subject and be neutral, swiss boy Nov 20 22:34:58 let's bash lusers instead Nov 20 22:34:59 crashanddie: you always have the last word, huh? Nov 20 22:35:27 http://techcrunch.com/2010/11/20/whoa-google-thats-a-pretty-big-security-hole/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+Techcrunch+(TechCrunch) Nov 20 22:36:07 I have one rule, if people are asking for an asskicking, I have to let them have it, and andax, you're really bordering that line, so just leave me be, will you? Nov 20 22:36:47 * DocScrutinizer cackles Nov 20 22:36:57 * DocScrutinizer fetches popcorn now Nov 20 22:37:43 Jartza: it only decreases latency if you have high load Nov 20 22:37:51 crashanddie: you let no other choice than ignoring you but mention borders... youre never satisfied Nov 20 22:38:00 * GAN900 sprays napalm around. Nov 20 22:38:53 LOL Nov 20 22:39:01 * MohammadAG kicks crashanddie in ze balls Nov 20 22:39:02 that took long, didn't it? Nov 20 22:39:24 yeah, had to change the kick message at the last second Nov 20 22:41:12 i'm ignorant about accelerometers - would n900 accelerometers be 3d? and have precision to balance a quadcopter? Nov 20 22:41:33 * DocScrutinizer wonders if setting a chanop to /ignore is a worth a /kick by itself Nov 20 22:41:41 no Nov 20 22:42:08 yes pupnik Nov 20 22:42:14 /ignore crashanddie Nov 20 22:42:54 pupnik: basically N900 has just one g-meter, but that's a pretty nice one Nov 20 22:42:56 DocScrutinizer: feel free to +o and /invite him Nov 20 22:43:13 pupnik: anyway for copters you usually like to have a gyro as well Nov 20 22:43:17 does that even work on freenode? Nov 20 22:43:17 yeah Nov 20 22:43:26 can't just work with those motion deltas Nov 20 22:43:33 * Arkenoi browses infosyncworld's smartphone reviews.. they are treating n900 as non-existant Nov 20 22:43:34 DocScrutinizer: how does that gyro work Nov 20 22:43:44 DocScrutinizer: i mean is it's purpose to stabilise it Nov 20 22:43:49 crashanddie: whom? andtrax? don't care Nov 20 22:43:54 DocScrutinizer: or provide position Nov 20 22:44:10 jacekowski: stabilize Nov 20 22:44:29 but then any angle change will be slower Nov 20 22:44:47 i think you do need gyros and altitude for any autonomous flight Nov 20 22:45:06 ground proximity sensor Nov 20 22:45:09 that's all you need Nov 20 22:45:13 jacekowski: a gyro is much more sensitive to rotation than a g-meter. For some rotations (along axis of earth gravitation) the gyro is the only sensor that gives you signals at all Nov 20 22:45:13 jacekowski: can't a gyro tell you the absolute rotation movement? Nov 20 22:45:47 ar.drone uses a cheap camera pointed at the floor for positioning assist Nov 20 22:46:11 but i haven't seen anything that flies without fyros/mems Nov 20 22:46:12 kinect sort of thing would be nice Nov 20 22:46:17 gyros... damn now i'm hungry Nov 20 22:46:18 but it pulls too much power Nov 20 22:46:46 there's a bounty to reverse-engineer the 'Neato' laser distance scanner Nov 20 22:47:00 they claim it could be mfgr'd for $35 Nov 20 22:47:07 link Nov 20 22:47:18 yo Nov 20 22:47:59 btw: RE.... done Nov 20 22:48:00 http://robotbox.net/blog/gallamine/open-lidar-project-hack-neato-xv-11-lidar-200-bounty Nov 20 22:48:24 laser distance scanner is plain nobrainer Nov 20 22:48:48 yes, i'm not exactly sure what they want to hack Nov 20 22:49:07 probably to use the actual device Nov 20 22:51:09 it'll be cheaper to make one Nov 20 22:51:58 funny, nobody has published a hack yet Nov 20 22:52:25 nobody has a vacuum cleaner Nov 20 22:52:41 A lidar would be cool Nov 20 22:52:46 For a mosquito killer thing Nov 20 22:52:58 it's not precise enough Nov 20 22:53:19 how does radar work Nov 20 22:53:28 meh, the bounty is not exactly tempting Nov 20 22:53:30 i mean it sends signal and Nov 20 22:53:39 and they have to know where it came back from Nov 20 22:54:05 Well older radar is this parabolic dish that scans Nov 20 22:54:09 it's directional Nov 20 22:54:14 i'm interested in new ones Nov 20 22:54:19 that are omnidirectional Nov 20 22:54:23 Lidar with a laser is dead simple Nov 20 22:54:30 no parabolic needed Nov 20 22:54:36 newer radar has phased array. It's still a beam, but it's electronically scanned and not limited by physical antenna movement Nov 20 22:54:43 ShadowJK: you saw the mosquito laser gun? Nov 20 22:54:47 DocScrutinizer: probably encumbered by patents Nov 20 22:54:50 crashanddie, yeah Nov 20 22:54:57 pretty damn cool Nov 20 22:55:11 crashanddie, I'd want ot make my own, but instead of just one laser (that sets fire to everything else too), I'd want multiple lasers focusing on the mosquito Nov 20 22:55:11 pupnik: lidar? aka laser distance meter? not at all Nov 20 22:57:12 my version of mosquito laser gun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCBwLJjzDJQ Nov 20 22:57:28 Lidar - Patent 7067812, 3D multispectral lidar - Patent 6664529, lidar - Patent 5239352, SCANNING SYSTEM FOR LIDAR - Patent Application 20100053715, US Patent 4862257 - Imaging lidar system , US Patent 5343284 - Imaging lidar system employing bistatic operation, Patent 5255065 - Conically scanned holographic lidar telescope, Lidar-based air defense system - US Patent 6396577 Nov 20 22:57:42 well there are some - dunno about the basic one though Nov 20 22:57:43 ShadowJK: ambitious Nov 20 22:58:16 that would be awesome Nov 20 22:58:31 ShadowJK: I'm guessing it depends the application -- would you be thinking about multiple underpowered lasers that would add up to one mosquito-deadly heat point? Nov 20 22:58:39 .oO(wasnt the general advice on patent research to not do it?) Nov 20 22:59:00 ShadowJK: how do you locate mosquito? Nov 20 22:59:02 you're right nox- - apologies Nov 20 22:59:18 crashanddie, yes Nov 20 22:59:21 jacekowski, that's the problem Nov 20 22:59:54 "hi, i'm an ass who just had the same idea as 1000 other people. here is my patent" Nov 20 23:00:21 my problem is MTHEL is too much for mosquitos, and my other lasers are too weak. 150mW not always kill bugs / flies Nov 20 23:00:45 how do you locate them Nov 20 23:00:48 that's a problem Nov 20 23:00:54 then it's easy Nov 20 23:00:57 guess I'll need an arctic blue Nov 20 23:02:19 DocScrutinizer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYXPqrXZ1eU Nov 20 23:06:30 ShadowJK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-hvlalqfGA&feature=fvsr Nov 20 23:20:36 hey is there anything better than qtirreco? Nov 20 23:20:47 yes, irreco Nov 20 23:20:58 or an alternative of some kind - a search on maemo.org for IR only comes up with that... and nothing for infra or infrared Nov 20 23:21:58 DocScrutinizer, package irreco-for-n900 ? is that with a front end? Nov 20 23:21:58 heh same mistake i did :) Nov 20 23:22:04 though, tbh, I never tested qtirreco Nov 20 23:22:09 yes Nov 20 23:22:15 (tho irreco also didnt help in this case) Nov 20 23:22:22 cool will take a looksie Nov 20 23:23:14 both are based on lirc, and lirc can do what the N900 CIR hw offers you can do, nothing beyond Nov 20 23:23:21 yep Nov 20 23:23:42 so if it's about GUI, then test irreco-n900, if it's about range, you got bad cards Nov 20 23:23:47 * nox- just misses non-irman configs for `that one' remote :) Nov 20 23:26:21 * DocScrutinizer considers to replace R1361..R1364 by 50R Nov 20 23:28:59 those related to the ir transmitter? Nov 20 23:29:18 * Arkenoi wishes it had IR laser Nov 20 23:31:00 meh, boring Nov 20 23:31:28 Depends. I'd quite like a 50W CO2 Nov 20 23:31:35 yep Nov 20 23:31:51 but not from a 1350mAh LiIon X-P Nov 20 23:32:08 nox-: yes Nov 20 23:32:39 nox-: seem dimensioned rather conservative Nov 20 23:32:45 i c Nov 20 23:33:03 would that drain the battery much more then? Nov 20 23:33:17 nox-: I'd like to know component name of V1360 IR LED Nov 20 23:33:22 (not that im about to mess with my n900 like that anyway :) Nov 20 23:33:52 nox-: (drain) at least 4 times Nov 20 23:34:48 which would mean you could operate it only 12h then (CW! == >20h of coninuous sending commands) Nov 20 23:35:16 ok :) Nov 20 23:39:44 honestly, the whole design around the IR TX looks rather uninspired. If you already got a transistor, then why have a series R in collector, rather than do the right thing and build a constant current source of it, by limiting base voltage by 2 diodes and putting the shunt R into emitter Nov 20 23:40:32 add to the brain damage of not running it off the nice CIR UART Nov 20 23:40:41 ACK!!!! Nov 20 23:40:48 >:-( Nov 20 23:44:24 lets do a bit of stupid silly EE math: given: Vfwd-LED=2V Vbat=4.2V R=220/4=55R Nov 20 23:44:50 ~(4.2 - 2) / 55 Nov 20 23:44:51 0.04 Nov 20 23:44:57 Ampere Nov 20 23:45:21 looks a bit low for even a SMT IR LED Nov 20 23:47:03 now take into account Vfwd-LED might be higher, and Vbaz usually is a bit lower. And we didn't take into account V(c-e)sat of transitor Nov 20 23:47:43 ~1/0 Nov 20 23:47:51 lol Nov 20 23:47:57 ~0/1 Nov 20 23:47:58 ~bark Nov 20 23:47:58 * infobot barks, like a rabid dog. Nov 20 23:48:11 ~1 / 0 Nov 20 23:48:20 :) Nov 20 23:48:36 ~(20 - 18 - 1) / (20 - 18 - 2) Nov 20 23:48:50 ~(20 - 18 - 1) / (20 - 18 - 1) Nov 20 23:48:50 1 Nov 20 23:48:54 hmm Nov 20 23:49:09 aren't you content with the results? :-P Nov 20 23:49:13 ~2^31 Nov 20 23:49:13 29 Nov 20 23:49:19 wait, what? Nov 20 23:49:27 hahahahahaha Nov 20 23:49:40 thats xorg Nov 20 23:49:43 xorg even Nov 20 23:49:46 xorg Nov 20 23:49:46 xor? Nov 20 23:49:47 bah Nov 20 23:49:53 xor Nov 20 23:49:55 yeah Nov 20 23:50:17 ~exp(31) Nov 20 23:50:27 ~2 pow(31) Nov 20 23:50:54 ~2 ** 16 Nov 20 23:50:54 65536 Nov 20 23:51:03 ah Nov 20 23:51:12 ~2 ** 32 Nov 20 23:51:12 4294967296 Nov 20 23:51:14 ~2 ** 32 + 1 Nov 20 23:51:14 4294967297 Nov 20 23:51:20 ~2 ** 64 + 1 Nov 20 23:51:20 18446744073709551616 Nov 20 23:51:26 ~2 ** 64 ** 64 + 1 Nov 20 23:51:28 inf Nov 20 23:51:35 hehe Nov 20 23:51:37 ~2 ** 64 ** 2 + 1 Nov 20 23:51:37 inf Nov 20 23:51:44 ~2 ** 127 Nov 20 23:51:44 a number with quite a few digits... Nov 20 23:51:52 ~2 ** -1 Nov 20 23:51:53 0.5 Nov 20 23:51:55 isn't she cute? Nov 20 23:51:59 adorable Nov 20 23:52:26 ~solve x ** 2 = -1 Nov 20 23:52:26 * infobot grits her teeth while attempting to solve x ** 2 = -1 Nov 20 23:53:10 I'm still confused at infobot being a she Nov 20 23:53:24 macho Nov 20 23:57:50 XOOOOORRRGGG. Nov 20 23:57:57 just saying Nov 21 00:10:22 what's that xorg noise today? Nov 21 00:11:02 nothing, just my stupid hardwired fingers... Nov 21 00:11:14 trying to spell xor Nov 21 00:11:16 :) Nov 21 00:11:25 aaah Nov 21 00:28:36 you know what is difficult? Nov 21 00:28:39 typing "linus" Nov 21 00:28:58 heh Nov 21 01:04:38 good morning Nov 21 01:05:07 good evening Nov 21 01:12:51 Hello friends, i bought Nokia N900 :D Nov 21 01:13:33 i Nov 21 01:13:34 8' Nov 21 01:13:52 congratulation jase21 Nov 21 01:13:53 I'm loving it. Nov 21 01:14:22 you will soon when you unlock and harness it's geekness power Nov 21 01:14:29 :) Nov 21 01:14:38 lolloo thanks. Nov 21 01:14:52 Are you a linux user? Nov 21 01:15:15 SpeedEvil yes Nov 21 01:15:27 wow nice Nov 21 01:15:57 Now tends to be a bit dead - it's livlier in here about 4 hours ago. Nov 21 01:15:59 I use ubuntu & backtrack. but still I'm a newbie :P Nov 21 01:16:02 So leap in that time machine. Nov 21 01:16:16 hehehe Nov 21 01:16:36 ah the time machine Nov 21 01:16:37 what does PR mean: Nov 21 01:16:44 product release Nov 21 01:16:53 latest 1.3 Nov 21 01:17:18 also there is custom kernels made by the community Nov 21 01:17:18 oh. okay. How to know which one I'm running? Nov 21 01:17:26 latest power 46 Nov 21 01:17:30 yes Nov 21 01:17:42 jase21, go into settings > about product Nov 21 01:17:43 ok Nov 21 01:18:28 ok Nov 21 01:18:59 it shows 1.004? Nov 21 01:19:31 is there a version like that? Nov 21 01:20:02 sounds either old or incomplete version string Nov 21 01:20:25 PR1.3 has version string of: 20.2010.36-2 Nov 21 01:21:59 OMG the full string is: 10.2010.19-1.004 Nov 21 01:23:02 is it incompatibe version :worried? Nov 21 01:23:12 no its probably older Nov 21 01:23:49 psycho_oreos, 36-2? Nov 21 01:23:58 psycho_oreos, STOP USING NON-GLOBAL FIRMWARE Nov 21 01:24:06 * Termana slaps psycho_oreos with some global firmware Nov 21 01:24:11 PR1.2 you have jase21 only one version below Nov 21 01:24:40 Termana, apparently that was available over OTA upgrade, not that I have had a choice and I wanted to stick on PR1.2 :) the repo forced me to get PR1.3 Nov 21 01:24:41 kok Nov 21 01:25:23 jase21, you have the india version of PR 1.2 Nov 21 01:25:55 but before updating, i would want to do a whole system backup. is backup tp a computer harddisk possible Nov 21 01:26:15 jase21, I suggest you flash it to a global firmware 1.2 or global 1.3 firmware - but that's just me. Nov 21 01:26:33 Termana, and apparently 36-2 is just the firmware version, not the non-global version :) check here: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php Nov 21 01:26:34 ok Nov 21 01:28:06 you could probably tarball the entire sysfs directory into /home/user/MyDocs or install backupmenu v2 which is still under testing the last I recall Nov 21 01:28:32 psycho_oreos, hmm, looks like they changed the version numbering system for 1.3 Nov 21 01:29:10 does the in buit backup do system wide backup? Nov 21 01:29:26 Termana, well in either case there's no easy way for me to find out if I have global release or not. I suspect I would at any rate anyway Nov 21 01:29:31 no Nov 21 01:29:42 jase21, no, it will backup your Documents (IIRC) and the app list and it will reinstall your apps on restore Nov 21 01:30:07 documents and settings mainly, contacts, IM, etc Nov 21 01:30:39 oh. so i need to install rootsh to do sys backups Nov 21 01:31:30 if you intend to work with n900's keyboard in writing out the tarball creation process Nov 21 01:32:10 jase21, installing rootsh isn't such a bad thing anyway. If you're a normal linux user I would expect you want root access on your device anyway Nov 21 01:33:00 yes. Do you have any guide or recommendation on system backup? Nov 21 01:33:01 chances are, if you're not familiar with maemo's rootfs structure you are going to end up with a very large tarball. I reasonably sized tarball of sysfs minus MyDocs is around 1.9GB Nov 21 01:33:47 a more clean and intuitive backup than osso-backup would be backupmenu v2 Nov 21 01:33:48 oh. I have no idea on maemo OS architecture Nov 21 01:34:03 s/I/A Nov 21 01:34:03 ok Nov 21 01:36:19 how to enable extras in app manager? Nov 21 01:36:47 ~extras Nov 21 01:36:47 it has been said that extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras Nov 21 01:40:04 ok Nov 21 01:42:09 but the problem is which distribution to select? Nov 21 01:42:51 define distribution Nov 21 01:43:34 fremantle version when we add in that repo link in app manager Nov 21 01:43:55 it depends on the PR version. Nov 21 01:44:34 read what I said previously, your PR version was already mentiond Nov 21 01:46:10 ok, guys got it. its 1.2 :D Nov 21 01:47:07 And the repo is already added with the name maemo.org doh :D Nov 21 01:47:54 scroll down on the same page for more repos Nov 21 01:47:59 more official ones Nov 21 01:48:18 ok. Nov 21 01:49:46 do you use any irc clients (app) in N900? Nov 21 01:49:57 other than pidgin Nov 21 01:49:58 i just ssh. Nov 21 01:50:15 there's xchat and irssi Nov 21 01:50:33 does the irssi have perl yet, it seemed kind of crippled last time. Nov 21 01:50:50 are they native to maemo? Nov 21 01:51:06 they're arm builds. Nov 21 01:51:14 ok. Nov 21 01:51:46 I dunno I hardly use irssi on n900 much Nov 21 01:52:19 then I'll try make an IRC client excusicely for maemo (as part of my learning purpose). Nov 21 01:52:47 if 8 Nov 21 01:53:01 xchat works OK Nov 21 01:53:10 sorry (not used to m) Nov 21 01:53:11 A nice backend for ... Nov 21 01:53:14 um Nov 21 01:53:20 what's that client Nov 21 01:53:26 quassel Nov 21 01:53:34 not used to the new keyboard Nov 21 01:53:53 so i'm typing out errors Nov 21 01:54:05 I've got up to about 30wpm on it (not now) when I used it consistently for a week Nov 21 01:54:51 yes, will require some time to get faster. Nov 21 01:55:54 if I get stuck somewhere is this the place to ask about programming? or maemo-dev? Nov 21 01:56:24 maemo-dev is probably sane Nov 21 01:56:30 but here sometimes works too Nov 21 01:56:48 okay :) Nov 21 01:58:47 talk.maemo.org Nov 21 02:01:07 xchat is nice on the n900, but it really needs kinetic scroll Nov 21 02:01:30 it isn't really scrolable without the stylus Nov 21 02:02:01 its abuot the most bearable xchat has ever been honestly. Nov 21 02:03:07 -_- my phone won't boot after a reflash Nov 21 02:03:32 it just displays "missing image" on the display Nov 21 02:03:44 well I guess I have to start over again then Nov 21 02:04:56 BCMM_: I've bound shift-up/down to pgup/down Nov 21 02:05:31 you can also use the volume buttons Nov 21 02:05:39 but I like them for channel up/down Nov 21 02:06:38 you'd think they'd have figured out how to make unbrickable OS upgrades Nov 21 02:07:33 MohammadAG: ping Nov 21 02:07:55 P2P on steroids on the PS3... amazing Nov 21 02:08:09 hmm well it booted now.. Nov 21 02:08:37 first I flashed the firmware image, then it booted fine.. then I flashed the emmc image, and it didn't work.. then I started over again with the firmware image, and now it works Nov 21 02:08:46 so I guess I will just leave it at that then Nov 21 02:12:34 tomorrow it will explode. Nov 21 02:17:54 BCMM_: (xchat) I currently ponder mapping up/down to scrolling in xchat, as you rarely ever need it for input box history. I'll use shift-up/down for that Nov 21 02:19:35 good idea actually; i mostly use up arrow to inadvertantly doublepost Nov 21 02:19:53 Funnyface: you MUST flash rootfs *after* eMMC, or/and MUST NOT boot device after flashing eMMC Nov 21 02:20:23 err, ...after flashing rootfs Nov 21 02:21:06 whatever, NO boot after flashing the first one and prior to flashing the second one Nov 21 02:21:48 except if you flash eMMC first, where it will refuse to boot anyway, until you flashed rootfs as well Nov 21 02:21:51 , Nov 21 02:24:18 alright, this place suggested that I did the firmware first, and the OS booted automatically Nov 21 02:24:22 but I think it is fixed now anyway Nov 21 02:25:37 the suggested "mandatory" sequence of rootfs/COMBINED/fiasko first, *then* eMMC/VANILLA as of wiki - is BS for all images up to date (though it *might* be needed any time in the future, for 1.7.3 :-P) Alas my edits to wiki, which were wellthought and backed up by asking others like e.g lcuk (father of optification afaik) got ruthlessly reverted by somebody who thought he knows better Nov 21 02:26:08 hehe Nov 21 02:26:46 well, this is what I did: http://theunlockr.com/2010/04/02/how-to-hard-reset-your-nokia-n900-get-it-back-to-out-of-box-state/ Nov 21 02:27:31 and how's that interesting to anybody? esp to me? Nov 21 02:28:17 the wiki is clear about the "DO NOT boot" part. If you follow the wiki exactly, it will work Nov 21 02:29:04 I wouldn't have done it if the phone didn't boot by itself after the flash :> Nov 21 02:32:13 either way, it is all good now :p Nov 21 02:32:28 yeah, the -R is making it reboot Nov 21 02:32:51 so what you suggest there is causing trouble for people Nov 21 02:34:40 I'm not suggesting anything, I'm just merely stating which guide I followed to get the results I did Nov 21 02:38:48 oh I thought that's your website Nov 21 02:39:00 hehe nope Nov 21 02:40:21 DocScrutinizer51: watched the talk btw? Nov 21 02:40:54 nope, audio was too low, got headache Nov 21 02:41:20 DocScrutinizer51: k, fair enough :) Nov 21 02:41:37 DocScrutinizer51: I had to increase computer laptop to hear properly. Nov 21 02:41:44 DocScrutinizer51: *volume **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Nov 21 02:59:58 2010