in dutch, "Hello" in english and finnish Nov 21 23:39:47 <SpeedEvil> err Nov 21 23:39:48 <Lantizia> more geeky than simply ringing it lol Nov 21 23:40:02 <DocScrutinizer51> play-sound /dev/urandom Nov 21 23:40:13 <SpeedEvil> Nokia-N900-02-8:~# cat /usr/local/bin/beep Nov 21 23:40:13 <SpeedEvil> #!/bin/sh Nov 21 23:40:13 <SpeedEvil> play-sound /usr/share/sounds/game-chess_checkmate.wav Nov 21 23:40:37 <Lantizia> must be downstairs lol Nov 21 23:41:01 * ShadowJK wonders where to see a list of things purchased and if things can be redownloaded Nov 21 23:41:16 <Lantizia> ShadowJK, on Ovi? Nov 21 23:41:21 <ShadowJK> yes Nov 21 23:41:29 <Lantizia> it's "My Stuff" and yeah you download as much you want Nov 21 23:41:50 <ShadowJK> I dont even see a my stuff link Nov 21 23:42:06 <Lantizia> it's the last item on the top bar of the ovi site when signed in Nov 21 23:42:25 <ShadowJK> well on Ovi Store yeah, but not on Ovi Music Nov 21 23:42:36 <Lantizia> aaah never used music sorry Nov 21 23:43:02 <ShadowJK> on main ovi site when logged in, top right is Anonymous, Account, Support, sign out Nov 21 23:44:15 <Lantizia> im on about ovi store though when viewing on the n900 itself Nov 21 23:45:44 <ShadowJK> urgh, there's some nonfunctional "Oh look we're awesome" void() page when I try opera Nov 21 23:46:01 <ShadowJK> can't even log in Nov 21 23:46:25 * ShadowJK was hoping to get full desktop music.ovi page and finding a "my stuff"-like link Nov 21 23:47:04 <joli> oi Nov 21 23:50:10 <ShadowJK> I click "Support", and get: "EtsintÃ¤tulokset: Error: restricted with below filters" Nov 21 23:50:20 * ShadowJK thinks: "Huh?" Nov 21 23:53:23 <ShadowJK> hah, I tricked it by adding a /pc to the url, and it gave me the full normal uncastrated webpage Nov 21 23:53:46 * DocScrutinizer gasps Nov 21 23:53:52 <ShadowJK> with promising "Music-account", and "Downloads information" links Nov 21 23:54:41 <ShadowJK> ah, seems I could redownload from there Nov 21 23:54:41 <DocScrutinizer> isn't that quite sad? Nov 21 23:54:55 <ShadowJK> except microb hung when I tapped the download link Nov 21 23:55:04 <DocScrutinizer> muhahaha Nov 21 23:55:29 <DocScrutinizer> a really great and convenient user experience Nov 21 23:55:58 <ShadowJK> Well it didn't hang per se, the download link turned into a spinning circle thing that spun 3 quarter of a circle and then stopped. the entire page stopped working, though browser still responded Nov 21 23:56:40 <DocScrutinizer> I found just one positive thing about OVI and N900: videos from OVI look better on N900 than they do on my laptop Nov 21 23:58:00 <ShadowJK> oh second attempt it popped up (inside the webpage) a fakedialog asking if I want to redownload Nov 21 23:58:01 <DocScrutinizer> this might be due to my really lazy and poor laptop video codec maintenance though Nov 21 23:58:25 <DocScrutinizer> joy of ecmascript? Nov 21 23:58:41 <ShadowJK> the fakedialog insists to self-center, which makes it impossible to zoom in on :D Nov 21 23:58:56 <DocScrutinizer> ROTFL Nov 21 23:59:48 <ShadowJK> because when I zoom in on the download button, it centers itself and download button is moved offscreen Nov 22 00:01:03 * DocScrutinizer wonders how those web "programmers" always manage to never user their own dogfood on the intended target platform Nov 22 00:01:12 <Dassu> y Nov 22 00:01:40 <ShadowJK> to be fair, this is the /pc "platform" Nov 22 00:02:13 <ShadowJK> the redownload doesn't seem to be available from the default interface offered when visiting music store with n900 Nov 22 00:02:16 <DocScrutinizer> "see, it works like a charm" (when running off cache/local-HDD, on a Mac with a 3GHz quad core) Nov 22 00:02:59 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: this lil "phone" is much better than my prev laptop ever could get Nov 22 00:04:38 <DocScrutinizer> I wonder/hope if there's a special hell for those web "programmers" Nov 22 00:05:06 <ShadowJK> "{Missing display text mapping for 'softkey.options' in language 'fi'}" Nov 22 00:05:06 <sp3000> timeless_mbp: so, there's a lot of stuff (potentially, at least) Nov 22 00:05:33 <sp3000> I could use a "purpose of the document" brief, as in, what sort of change it wants to effect Nov 22 00:05:34 <ShadowJK> great, could you just give me english then? Nov 22 00:05:46 <DocScrutinizer> tana_fi FTW - MUHAHA Nov 22 00:05:50 <sp3000> to, you know, guide edits :) Nov 22 00:05:59 <sp3000> ....tana Nov 22 00:06:24 <sp3000> (it more or less matches mmit_en) Nov 22 00:07:19 * alterego yawns Nov 22 00:07:32 <sp3000> sounds like a plan Nov 22 00:07:40 * sp3000 & Nov 22 00:09:19 <DocScrutinizer> how nuts must be a developer team that makes my N810 diablo display a requester like "[tana_fi_appstarter_load_application]" Nov 22 00:09:27 <ShadowJK> the "pc" website is also trying to convince me to download adobe flash now and then :) Nov 22 00:10:17 <DocScrutinizer> hooray for that Nov 22 00:10:48 <DocScrutinizer> SEVEN hells Nov 22 00:10:48 * ShadowJK wonders how to make *.ovi.* use just english instead of the current mix of 4 languages.. Nov 22 00:11:14 <DocScrutinizer> ...for web "programmers" exclusively Nov 22 00:12:32 <ShadowJK> lol Nov 22 00:13:12 <ShadowJK> I found a language setting, and it stuck for, well, only the settings change confirmation page Nov 22 00:13:23 <DocScrutinizer> the prototype of "oh well, it'll probably mess up and break everything except MSIE-4711.1.23.4.5, but that bouncing dot is just TOO COOL!!" Nov 22 00:13:49 <ShadowJK> and then reverted back to navigation links in english and content in mostly finnish Nov 22 00:15:38 <ShadowJK> positively I haven't seen dutch in awhile, which is good because I don't really understand it :D Nov 22 00:15:40 <DocScrutinizer> "so please install flash27.3 [link to BS], as this site won't work without that. But then, no other site has such a cool bouncing dot" Nov 22 00:16:40 <ShadowJK> oh well, in the end I did manage to download a DRM-free music album in 256kbit/s mp3 Nov 22 00:17:13 <DocScrutinizer> great! I prefer to buy the CD, or even the vinyl Nov 22 00:18:24 <ShadowJK> considering the sophistication of ripping software, that'd probably been easier and faster :) Nov 22 00:19:07 <ShadowJK> Last cd I bought was in 2000, when it didn't play in my PC's cd playe Nov 22 00:19:08 <ShadowJK> r Nov 22 00:19:21 <ShadowJK> due to some drm crap Nov 22 00:19:56 <DocScrutinizer> yes. This whole crap feel slike controlling your toilet paper dispenser with a mainframe, just to get poor quality paper (good one will not be compatible to the dispenser mechanic) Nov 22 00:22:38 <DocScrutinizer> unless it's at least flac, on half the price of the record in CD or vinyl - it can rot unnoticed for me Nov 22 00:24:05 <DocScrutinizer> and nota bene a coninuous media file, with a proper cut sheet, so I don't get those annoying breaks between songs of e.g. Pink Floyd Nov 22 00:26:18 <DocScrutinizer> this whole mp3 crap is indigestible fast food by design Nov 22 00:26:24 <ShadowJK> it was almost exactly half price of cd Nov 22 00:26:46 <ShadowJK> yeah, .flac with .cue is nice format too Nov 22 00:27:20 * ShadowJK sleepa Nov 22 00:27:24 <DocScrutinizer> n8 Nov 22 01:01:12 <macmaN> hi gents Nov 22 01:04:07 <macmaN> if i wanted to patch n900's media player, where is the source tree for it Nov 22 01:05:51 <macmaN> http://maemo.org/development/sources/ ? Nov 22 01:06:41 <SpeedEvil> There is no source. Nov 22 01:06:46 <Robot101> the UI is not open - the backend might be - called mafw Nov 22 01:06:56 <Robot101> https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/?root=mafw Nov 22 01:08:08 <macmaN> crap, the ui is not open? well thats a big booboo on my plans Nov 22 01:09:58 <macmaN> i think the whole thing is a quite well done piece of media player, i'd like to add Love button and add an automatic playlist for those Nov 22 01:10:18 <macmaN> i've come to like it better than mediabox.. Nov 22 01:20:45 <BCMM> am i right in saying that all the DSP stuff is implemented in gstreamer plugins, and that any application that plays audio and video using gstreamers gets to use the DSP? Nov 22 01:20:58 <BCMM> ^gstreamer Nov 22 01:21:23 <Robot101> BCMM: right Nov 22 01:23:28 <SpeedEvil> IF the codec is one of the DSP accelerated codecs Nov 22 01:43:20 <robbiethe1st> Hey all. Nov 22 01:43:55 <DocScrutinizer> hi Robot101 Nov 22 01:45:01 <Robot101> DocScrutinizer: hey! :P Nov 22 01:49:51 <robbiethe1st> Hm... Anyone know how to turn off autocomplete for xchat on Maemo? Nov 22 01:52:03 <SpeedEvil> you mean nick autocomplte? Nov 22 01:56:58 <robbiethe1st> No, text-autocomplete Nov 22 01:57:49 <robbiethe1st> When I type in the text box, I get all sorts of suggestions, and it's quite annoying. Nov 22 01:58:34 <BCMM> robbiethe1st: you can turn it off globally in settings Nov 22 02:01:33 <robbiethe1st> Ah, thanks. Nov 22 02:01:56 <robbiethe1st> Problem solved. Nov 22 02:37:46 <pupnik> marklar **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Nov 22 02:59:58 2010

**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 21 02:59:58 2010 Nov 21 03:12:31 I have an update notification for PyQt4 Full Install (PR1.2), but I'm running PR 1.3 Nov 21 03:12:41 should I just ignore this? Nov 21 03:14:14 good question Nov 21 03:17:40 hi everyone Nov 21 03:17:50 oh no, it's gustavoferreira Nov 21 03:17:58 just kidding, hello :) Nov 21 03:18:36 xD lol Nov 21 03:18:42 i've a question Nov 21 03:19:24 i want to install octave on my n900, i've reading, and people said that octave has been ported to maemo, but i can't find the deb file, they said it was on extra-devel repo, but i can't manage to get that :s any help? Nov 21 03:20:34 I'm gonna ignore it Nov 21 03:20:47 one more question, why doesn't this channel have at least an Ops (whatever that means) here? Nov 21 03:21:13 gustavoferreira, why would you ask why the channel doesn't have something that you don't understand anyway? Nov 21 03:21:35 xD lol because i think ops means something like an "admin" on the channel Nov 21 03:21:48 opdf2, fell free to ignore, just don't be rude saying that Nov 21 03:22:11 And the answer to that question is - it's standard on freenode for chanops to only give themselves op privileges when necessary, other times they just leave them off Nov 21 03:22:21 gustavoferreira, opdf2 wasn't talking to you :p Nov 21 03:22:28 gustavoferreira: I was talking about ignore a notifcation update Nov 21 03:22:34 oh, ok, in that case, really sorry opdf2 Nov 21 03:24:27 so, can someone here says to me where can i get that deb file? Nov 21 03:24:53 gustavoferreira, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=848240&postcount=20 Nov 21 03:25:23 Termana, many thanks for your help, i'll try that right away! Nov 21 03:35:35 yeahhh xD many many many thanks Termana, really appreciate, when I have a difficulty you guys here always help me figuring it out, Many thanks! Nov 21 03:45:40 sp3000: so, remember microb's save-cancel problems? Nov 21 03:45:41 http://konigsberg.mozilla.org/ideapad/ie9/ie9%20leave%20page%20ok%20cancel.png Nov 21 03:45:48 is the ie9 version of it, from msn :) Nov 21 03:46:45 :) Nov 21 03:51:30 Isn't it nice to see old friends turning up in unexpected places. Nov 21 03:53:44 SpeedEvil: just chatted with this dude http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/wiki/DragonCopter Nov 21 03:54:10 Open Source copter qith arm cortex cpus Nov 21 03:54:26 w Nov 21 03:58:33 * GeneralAntilles1 giggles at Conference pictures. Nov 21 04:10:58 * johnsu01 tries to understand the deal with the different libqt4-core versions Nov 21 04:36:39 OK, first round of pictures are online: http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/sets/72157625434963604/with/5194006720/ Nov 21 05:13:34 \nick musf Nov 21 05:27:22 johnsu01: if you found out, please let us know Nov 21 05:27:44 [2010-11-21 04:05:22] I have an update notification for PyQt4 Full Install (PR1.2), but I'm running PR 1.3 Nov 21 05:27:45 [2010-11-21 04:05:32] should I just ignore this? Nov 21 06:15:50 okay, so a while back, I was using flasher to rescue my n900 Nov 21 06:16:00 and there was a module I had to rmmod Nov 21 06:16:22 ...now, while trying to use flasher for something else, from a different computer, I can't remember which module it was Nov 21 06:17:24 and, as often happens, the JFGI immediately following the ATRP brought it back Nov 21 06:18:10 rmmod cdc_phonet Nov 21 07:18:32 Hello all Nov 21 07:41:16 anyone got any ideas for software i can put on my n900 so i can grab files on n900 from other pcs easily, something web based would be good Nov 21 07:41:34 i could install samba but thats probably overkil Nov 21 07:42:33 also, with samba other pc's polling the network for smb shares would keep waking up the cpu and reduce battery life Nov 21 07:45:10 Psi: ssh Nov 21 07:45:19 sshfs? Nov 21 07:45:42 well, any sftp client Nov 21 07:45:43 im more looking for something i can easy use when im at a clients place to get files from my n900 without having to install stuff on their pc Nov 21 07:45:46 sshfs is overkill Nov 21 07:45:57 use the ass rage! Nov 21 07:46:12 that works good Nov 21 07:46:27 some sort of webdav server.. dont know if there are any lightweight ones, apache seems overkill :D Nov 21 07:46:32 USB-Mass-storage mode. Works on -all- systems Nov 21 07:46:32 yeah Nov 21 07:46:44 RobbieThe1st: that's what i said Nov 21 07:47:01 Sorry, I got disconnected and didn't see it Nov 21 07:47:04 the problem with usb mass storage mode is id need to carry around the cable in my pocket all the time Nov 21 07:47:29 be nice if i could do everything without even needing to take the phone out of my pocket Nov 21 07:47:52 so some sort of webdav type thing would be good Nov 21 07:47:53 What I do is have a small case with a second pocket. I keep a short $0.99 USB cable, extra battery and pair of earbuds in there. Easy on-the-go pack. Nov 21 07:48:10 interesting Nov 21 07:48:45 the whole case is slightly larger than the n900; about twice as thick. Fits fine in my front pockets. Nov 21 07:50:05 maybe ill install webdav or samba inside debian lxde Nov 21 07:50:29 that would atleast work and not slow doen the phone as i could start/stop LXDE when i need to use it Nov 21 08:58:55 Hi Nov 21 08:59:01 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65221&goto=newpost << any mods to take care of this spammy thread ? Nov 21 08:59:45 i've never seen so much spam anywhere else =/ Nov 21 09:05:07 "Raul Eamets, professor of macroeconomics at the University of Tartu, proposed today during his TEDx talk that Estonia should stop using cash at all when adopting the Euro as the national currency." Nov 21 09:05:25 xDaReaperx, good thing he deleted it Nov 21 09:05:36 And good morning, MohammadAG Nov 21 09:05:36 lol Nov 21 09:05:41 xDaReaperx, it was illegal in so many ways Nov 21 09:05:47 RST38h, morning :) Nov 21 09:06:04 yeah i noticed the cached page Nov 21 09:37:34 * NooBmonk3y yawns Nov 21 09:40:09 good photos GeneralAntilles :) Nov 21 09:40:34 Hey NooBmonk3y Nov 21 09:40:44 morrrrrrrrnin Nov 21 09:40:46 :) Nov 21 09:41:25 i need a dual screen, ... will be alot easier i feel..... darn i have a crappy pc Nov 21 09:43:07 Hi, I want to use n900's camera for a computer science course. For that I want to control the different aspect of the camera from a linux computer Nov 21 09:43:09 nakeee: can you code? Nov 21 09:43:11 is it possible? Nov 21 09:43:34 alterego, yes, but I don't have experience with coding for cell phones Nov 21 09:43:38 nakeee: look into the fcam project Nov 21 09:43:43 it's coding for linux :P Nov 21 09:43:51 Meh, the N900 is coding for Linux :) Nov 21 09:43:57 alterego: does that let you stream the camera to the pc? Nov 21 09:44:14 pupnik_: he could use it to stream. Nov 21 09:44:14 i was just looking at 'qik' but not what i want Nov 21 09:44:35 sweet, the question i was going to asked was just answered Nov 21 09:45:02 Erm, well, you'd need to use gstreamer to stream from fcam really .. Nov 21 09:45:10 * NooBmonk3y was about to say the same thing :) Nov 21 09:45:14 gstreamer works fine :) Nov 21 09:45:25 fcam is to control lens crap Nov 21 09:45:30 fcam gives you the raw video frames and full control over lens Nov 21 09:45:48 ah Nov 21 09:45:58 You can feed those frames over a socket or stick them through gstreamer Nov 21 09:46:59 i don't want frames actually, i need to get an mpeg4 stream from a hardware encoder - not bog the cpu down anymore than needed Nov 21 09:47:16 just to make sure I understand it correctly:) I can ssh the phone and then use fcam to control the camera? Nov 21 09:47:28 MohammadAG: almost finished Columbus now :) made it look super pretty, I'd show off some screen shots but I don't want to spoil the launch :P Nov 21 09:47:47 nakeee: No, fcam is a C++ API Nov 21 09:47:54 nakeee: you would need to write a program that uses the fcam library Nov 21 09:48:15 alterego, PM then :P Nov 21 09:48:16 yea, I just meant there are no special permission problems of using it from remote Nov 21 09:48:17 nakeee: how much control are we talking about? Nov 21 09:48:41 http://fcam.garage.maemo.org/apiDocs.html Nov 21 09:48:46 alterego, controlling zoom light contrast things like that Nov 21 09:48:54 MohammadAG: maybe later if I'm feeling generous, but I'm being quite secretive now I'm getting close to release ;) Nov 21 09:49:00 Hrm Nov 21 09:49:13 * MohammadAG calls a fellow terrorist Nov 21 09:49:15 I think you can do that with the cam element in gstreamer. Nov 21 09:49:16 :P Nov 21 09:50:24 I think it does zoom, shame you have to do post processing for the other stuff though. Nov 21 09:54:22 is there an howto somewhere on how I cross compile on linux for the n900? Nov 21 09:54:30 It sounds easier than to compile it on the phone:) Nov 21 09:55:35 ~scratchbox Nov 21 09:55:35 scratchbox is probably a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/ Nov 21 09:55:38 nakeee: loads on the wiki and in the doc section of maemo.org Nov 21 09:56:38 Or madde/Nokia Qt SDK which is what I'd recommend ^.^ Nov 21 10:16:09 alterego, thanks for all the help:) Nov 21 10:16:32 np :) Nov 21 10:16:35 One last question, is there also a library for using the camera for motion detection? Nov 21 10:16:42 before I go to write one:) Nov 21 10:16:54 Erm, no, but there's probably one you can build. Nov 21 10:18:09 do most of you guys use Irssi on Maemo? Nov 21 10:18:20 I've been using X-Chat and I just kinda hate it. Nov 21 10:18:22 pekuja, I think most people use xchat on maemo Nov 21 10:18:51 I use irc, in screen on a server I ssh to Nov 21 10:19:12 Termana, yeah? I feel like it's kinda annoying to use when you have a lot of channels Nov 21 10:19:19 alterego, because you are just that hardcore aren't you? Nov 21 10:19:20 :p Nov 21 10:19:22 alterego, the IRC client called "irc"? Nov 21 10:19:30 no irssi Nov 21 10:19:36 ok :-P Nov 21 10:19:42 but yeah, I did that too Nov 21 10:19:45 right now I have ZNC Nov 21 10:19:56 mostly because I figured X-Chat would be nicer than Irssi on Maemo Nov 21 10:20:03 but turns out I don't really like that either Nov 21 10:20:11 Heh Nov 21 10:20:32 I think I'd say Irssi is, or can be made, easier to use than X-Chat on Maemo Nov 21 10:20:41 yeah Nov 21 10:20:45 ooo can it? :P Nov 21 10:20:52 since it relies more on the keyboard, which is kind of a forté for Maemo Nov 21 10:20:53 I've not done any tweaks though Nov 21 10:21:07 NooBmonk3y, no clue. I'm just rambling Nov 21 10:21:17 lol Nov 21 10:21:20 Instead of alt switching you have to use ESC then number Nov 21 10:21:23 irssi is OK on maemo Nov 21 10:21:32 but basically for example, it's really annoying to browse through a long list of channels in X-Chat Nov 21 10:21:32 * dlirit just found mediabox, like a million years too late Nov 21 10:21:36 I quite liked xchat - and the ability to scroll channels with the volume rocker Nov 21 10:21:46 pekuja, how many channels are you normally in on your n900 Nov 21 10:21:48 i use ssh and screen irssi on a remote server too Nov 21 10:21:49 ? Nov 21 10:22:00 but since you mostly want to check the windows with new activity, you can do an Esc + A in Irssi Nov 21 10:22:06 sjk: that's because we're awesome :) Nov 21 10:22:08 Termana, I dunno, 20 maybe Nov 21 10:22:12 I always stuck with canola due to it's extremely easy interface but recently I've been configuring my upnp streamer and it can't find mediatomb so I resulted to mediabox Nov 21 10:22:20 alterego, hehe! Nov 21 10:22:20 Termana, the thing is, I use a bouncer on my server Nov 21 10:22:36 Termana, so I have the same channels open on Maemo that I have on my desktop Nov 21 10:22:41 pekuja, fair enough I guess. Nov 21 10:23:53 I mean, maybe I could figure out a way to cherrypick the most important channels and have those in Maemo Nov 21 10:23:58 Funny story about bouncers, I was trying to set one up the other week, but for some reason I thought it wasn't working. Anyway, somehow I left the process going and I found my nickname kept being unavailable even when I done a ghost and release with nickserv. Turns out the bouncer kept taking my nickname. Nov 21 10:24:03 but I don't actually know how I could do that Nov 21 10:24:10 :P Nov 21 10:24:40 By the way, I really miss some kind of keychain for ssh keys on the maemo Nov 21 10:24:49 anyone using one? Nov 21 10:25:01 I use ssh agent Nov 21 10:25:36 There's a nice .profile mod you can do Nov 21 10:26:44 Ah. Care to share? Nov 21 10:27:28 (the only downside i can see by using ssh+irssi is that you lose word completion) Nov 21 10:27:59 if that is included in xchat then perhaps typing in xchat would be slightly faster Nov 21 10:28:31 but i have never used xchat on maemo so i can't tell :) Nov 21 10:28:51 yes, it is included Nov 21 10:28:59 i use xchat since yesterday, switched from irssi Nov 21 10:29:12 i like the notifications on hilight/privmsg Nov 21 10:30:02 it would be nice if one could activate word completion for the terminal with some hotkey Nov 21 10:30:25 yhat would be nice for ssh + irssi or talkd Nov 21 10:30:29 the default color theme in xchat sucks. there are some good ones on the web. Nov 21 10:30:39 trumee, agreed Nov 21 10:32:07 i use the fire theme from here http://toxin.jottit.com/xchat_themes#03 Nov 21 10:34:55 is it possible to set small font for ser list in xchat? They eat too much precious space Nov 21 10:37:33 hmm Nov 21 10:44:04 hello Nov 21 10:46:39 i'm trying to build a package in sdk but it keeps whining about sigc++ eventhough I have libsigc++ dev files installed. what gives. Nov 21 10:51:44 MohammadAG: ping Nov 21 10:53:18 alterego, pong Nov 21 10:55:09 MohammadAG: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/Screenshot-20101120-175812.png Nov 21 10:55:16 No post processing ;) Nov 21 10:55:20 That's a clean screenshot Nov 21 10:55:33 Well, except the 50% scale and drop shadow :D Nov 21 10:56:14 damn that takes time on 2.5G :P Nov 21 10:56:33 wow, cool pic! Nov 21 10:56:33 Good job it wasn't full scale then ;) Nov 21 10:57:11 I'm tidying up the track view at the moment, I'll upload some screenshots later :) Nov 21 10:57:49 alterego, cool Nov 21 10:58:19 hello Nov 21 10:58:22 alterego, when's the release :P Nov 21 10:58:34 Well, I've got my Ovi account Nov 21 10:58:47 I reckon I should be done by the end of the week. Nov 21 10:58:49 I can't switch between desktop can you help me ? Nov 21 10:59:04 you're releasing it on ovi? Nov 21 10:59:13 Yeah, need the money :/ Nov 21 10:59:32 grr, open up an app store of your own Nov 21 10:59:36 :P Nov 21 10:59:37 Heh Nov 21 10:59:46 That thought has crossed my mind, and it is a possibility. Nov 21 10:59:58 or... Nov 21 11:00:12 The Ovi T&C says you get 60% of price :/ Nov 21 11:00:13 extras non-free, handle payment in-app Nov 21 11:00:29 not only that, but it can easily be pirated from Nov 21 11:00:48 handling payments in app would be the best way imo Nov 21 11:00:49 40% if it's obtained through some carrier thing, but we don't have that on N900 Nov 21 11:00:56 Yeah, a lot of hassle though Nov 21 11:01:02 nope Nov 21 11:01:15 I'd quite like to know the metrics of pirated software on maemo as well tbh ... Nov 21 11:01:21 just make a database and push IMEIs to it if the payment was received Nov 21 11:01:30 Yeah Nov 21 11:01:40 pirated software on maemo? it's a lot more than you think Nov 21 11:01:47 Yeah .. Nov 21 11:02:02 check symbian's forums Nov 21 11:02:12 Well, these are things I'll think about more when I've finished, right now it's more getting to that stage for me :) Nov 21 11:02:19 you'll find most (if not all) apps on ovi pirated Nov 21 11:02:34 Sure, but I mean how many peopel are actually using pirated versions. Nov 21 11:02:45 MohammadAG: there is no commercial software for maemo Nov 21 11:02:50 MohammadAG: so there is no piracy Nov 21 11:02:53 count most symbian to maemo transitions Nov 21 11:03:03 jacekowski, err? Nov 21 11:03:06 jacekowski: how can you say that? Nov 21 11:03:08 well, I guess there is some jacekowski Nov 21 11:03:17 statistical error Nov 21 11:03:17 Angry Birds, Zenbound, blah blah balh Nov 21 11:03:23 there isn't any DRM protection on the apps, but they are paid Nov 21 11:03:25 the preenv games are all pirated... Nov 21 11:03:29 Yreah Nov 21 11:03:35 ovi fail is working? Nov 21 11:03:38 don't count those though Nov 21 11:03:45 Well, actually in my case I've got a few Palm OS games that I paid for :P Nov 21 11:03:51 Sims and NFSU Nov 21 11:03:56 preenv pirating is due to pirating palm pre games Nov 21 11:04:04 not maemo related in any way imo Nov 21 11:04:16 jacekowski, the store gives you a direct link to a deb Nov 21 11:04:19 MohammadAG: maybe not, but it is an indication of where peoples ethics are ;) Nov 21 11:04:24 alterego, well I don't think it's legal to actually extract them from the palm. Haven't read the thing though. Nov 21 11:04:29 the link is reusable many times Nov 21 11:04:37 alterego, it's not evil piracy, but I don't think it's legal either way Nov 21 11:04:41 mece_: it is in the UK, we have data laws that allow backups and such. Nov 21 11:04:43 and the deb's downloaded to /var/tmp Nov 21 11:04:45 You buy it it's yours. Nov 21 11:04:52 alterego, nice. Nov 21 11:05:16 alterego, either way, most people don't have a possibility to buy pre games Nov 21 11:05:32 alterego, which is entirely palms fault though. Nov 21 11:05:35 we're talking maemo, not pre :P Nov 21 11:05:40 alterego: you don't buy it Nov 21 11:05:41 MohammadAG, quite. Nov 21 11:05:47 alterego: you license it Nov 21 11:06:00 I think I probably will do my own store Nov 21 11:06:06 And have registration locks on the software. Nov 21 11:06:16 and i'll crack them Nov 21 11:06:33 And I'll hunt you down and kill your first born :P Nov 21 11:06:42 i'm not planing to have first born Nov 21 11:06:51 it costs too much Nov 21 11:07:00 Heh Nov 21 11:07:02 then he'll kill $0 :P Nov 21 11:07:05 _o/ Nov 21 11:07:12 Howdy D-Iivil Nov 21 11:07:13 anyways Nov 21 11:07:17 i have to go Nov 21 11:07:23 Later Nov 21 11:07:57 My track view widget is quite nice, got smooth rotation, panning and zoom :) Nov 21 11:08:15 i can haz screenshot? Nov 21 11:08:33 No not yet, I'm redoing a compass widget for it. Nov 21 11:08:53 And I can only see a dot in the centre of the screen at the moment because there's nothing to map ;) Nov 21 11:09:35 alterego, which MSN plugin do you use? Nov 21 11:09:45 Good question .. Nov 21 11:09:45 haze has been disconnecting a lot for me Nov 21 11:09:46 Erm .. Nov 21 11:09:49 * mece_ uses pecan, and it works Nov 21 11:09:56 I think it's pecan I use .. Nov 21 11:10:18 if it only it supported nicks and display pics... Nov 21 11:10:54 okido the problem found. this thing looks for sigc++1.2 but I only have sigc++2.0. I guess it should be backwards compatible, but I don't know where modify the requirement. Nov 21 11:11:22 hmmmmmm Nov 21 11:11:36 is it me, or do progress bars no longer work on maemo? (QT4.7) Nov 21 11:11:47 styleSheet? Nov 21 11:12:16 MohammadAG, trying, and seems to have no effect Nov 21 11:12:38 don't use one Nov 21 11:13:43 Some weird thing is going on my N900... I can't copy large files (over ~400megs) back and forth. My phone always hangs at some point and reboots. After that I must fsck -a the MyDocs or it'll only be shown as read-only device. Nov 21 11:13:49 Any ideas? Nov 21 11:14:24 Already tried with stock kernel and with severall files, but like 9/10 the outcome is as described. Nov 21 11:14:49 eMMC is slow Nov 21 11:15:13 load gets high, the phone starts swapping like hell Nov 21 11:15:17 phone hangs Nov 21 11:15:28 And same happens in all these situations: 1) I copy large file from MMC to eMMC, 2) I copy file from eMMC to MMC, 3) I copy from me PC over ssh Nov 21 11:15:51 MohammadAG, any solutions proposials? Nov 21 11:16:44 I can't even extract lmza compressed images on the device... it hangs and reboots. Nov 21 11:16:45 MohammadAG: This could be the reason haze has been disconnecting a lot lately, I've experienced that as well: http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/12906 Nov 21 11:18:04 MohammadAG: Importing the certificates from http://developer.pidgin.im/viewmtn/revision/info/cd236baf6d00f3e1561a40974ce1828b793ea187 should fix it, but can't test it as my N900 is gone for repair since yesterday Nov 21 11:36:08 Hrm, I should probably do this in scratchbox, the packaging crap is really starting to annoy me .. Nov 21 11:38:31 alterego, starting to sound like me ;) Nov 21 11:39:04 Hah, sounds like, but completely different issue ;) Nov 21 11:39:29 Everytime I make a modification to my code it compiles/packages/scps to device/unpackages/starts up Nov 21 11:39:32 It's annoying .. Nov 21 11:40:13 Maybe it's time for full sweep and reflash. In the past I was able to copy large files with no problems... Nov 21 11:41:00 Is there a possibility that eMMC has corrupted somehow and that causes problems when writing or reading stuff? Nov 21 11:41:29 Um, FSCK/chkdsk it? Nov 21 11:42:10 RobbieThe1st, I have to run fsck everytime the device reboots itself. I'm running it with -a switch. Nov 21 11:42:13 D-Iivil: known effect, related to kernel swap madness Nov 21 11:42:32 DocScrutinizer, and no solution to fix it? Nov 21 11:42:34 D-Iivil: probably not hw related Nov 21 11:42:58 D-Iivil: allegedly new kernel has some halfassed fixes Nov 21 11:43:00 Ouch Nov 21 11:43:23 D-Iivil: corruption is also possible, but unlikely on eMMC since BME shuts the system down before it loses battery Nov 21 11:43:27 D-Iivil: somebody suggested to use rsync with throttling bandwidth to tackle the problem Nov 21 11:44:05 for cp of large files Nov 21 11:44:37 DocScrutinizer, hmmm... sounds too complicated to use rsync just to transfer files from pc to phone :( Nov 21 11:44:46 (windows machine) Nov 21 11:45:48 D-Iivil: I cp'd 13GB from PC to eMMC in ass rage mode, worked just fine Nov 21 11:46:12 * D-Iivil thinks if it would help if he sets limit for scp transfer Nov 21 11:46:18 trying to cp from uSD to eMMC created same issue you described Nov 21 11:46:21 D-Iivil: you use Windowsâ‡ Nov 21 11:46:30 DocScrutinizer, ass rage mode? Sounds a bit gay :P Nov 21 11:46:42 Mass STOrage Nov 21 11:46:43 luke-jr, mainly yes. Nov 21 11:47:21 DocScrutinizer, too bad I lost my usb cable and getting new from ebay will take weeks... Nov 21 11:47:54 Would setting speedlimit for scp transfer help? Nov 21 11:48:37 D-Iivil: you may try fiddling with things like swappiness, prio/nice etc. And kill cp when it slows down Nov 21 11:48:55 ask ShadowJK Nov 21 11:49:49 kill tracker Nov 21 11:50:04 !!! Nov 21 11:50:32 killing tracker sounds like a good idea :) Nov 21 11:51:07 just killall tracker-d tracker-indexer Nov 21 11:51:09 ? Nov 21 11:51:30 dunno, maybe killall --SIGSTOP Nov 21 11:51:57 or stop the init process, whatever Nov 21 11:52:53 hmm... would it be enough just disable everything in tracker-cfg? Nov 21 11:53:29 make sure there's no other processes accessing the media concurrently, also make sure you're not already using large amounts of ram for other processes so swapping is less likely Nov 21 11:53:54 d-lthat's what I did )tracker.cfg) Nov 21 11:54:22 DocScrutinizer, okay, will try that :) Nov 21 11:54:40 Fresh reboot, kill tracker, trying to transfer... Nov 21 11:55:54 keep a second shell open at higher prio and root, to kill processes in htop Nov 21 11:56:34 how do I set the priority? Nov 21 11:56:53 I have another ssh session opened for killing the transfer... Nov 21 11:57:22 check for general system sanity prior to starting cp enterprise, some apps do nasty things to system: flashlight-extra for example is known to rape CPU by constant respawns etc Nov 21 11:58:04 root; renice Nov 21 11:58:08 I guess Nov 21 11:58:48 sorry forgot about messybox meanwhile Nov 21 11:59:06 I'm not using cp command, I have sftp server running and receiving stuff. Nov 21 12:00:36 But so far it seems good. I killed the tracker and set constant 200KiB/s limit for the transfer. Nov 21 12:02:26 anyone tried building Advanced Strategic Command for N900? Nov 21 12:02:36 (Open source Battle Isle clone) Nov 21 12:03:01 hello Maemo Nov 21 12:03:05 * alterego contemplates distributing a free version of his app without logging and waypoints. Just the UI ... Nov 21 12:03:12 jolly good Sunday to all of you Nov 21 12:03:21 Hello crashanddie Nov 21 12:03:23 ia m getting a weird apt error Nov 21 12:03:23 Hello crashanddie! Nov 21 12:03:27 Welcome! Nov 21 12:03:30 dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 13087 package `tar-gnu': newline in field name `DXVW3sT6tbxE6V8XyN4Fnh71T8DmMah13TpzTYt0QqOBrmGzj/KbG8X2hskab' Nov 21 12:03:42 trying to remove conky, wihch installed incorrectly. Nov 21 12:07:28 hm I wonder if sigc++-1.2 will conflict with sigc++-2.0 Nov 21 12:09:35 :D Didn't work out :P Nov 21 12:10:49 I guess it doesn't :D Nov 21 12:11:01 yay verily yay Nov 21 12:11:08 ok, perhaps a bit early to cheer Nov 21 12:11:29 but it's still compiling and didn't crash on sigc++ error Nov 21 12:11:39 Guess I'll just wait for that goddamn usb-cable to arrive and do the transfers then... Nov 21 12:13:01 D-Iivil, theme customizer is awesome btw. Just sayin. Nov 21 12:14:25 hm Nov 21 12:14:32 sudo dpkg --clear-avail && sudo apt-get update Nov 21 12:14:34 does the trick. Nov 21 12:16:58 MohammadAG: ping Nov 21 12:17:05 or are you busy praying your lord Jesus? Nov 21 12:30:40 is g++ incredibly slow or why the hell is this build taking so long? Nov 21 12:32:41 C++ compilers are, in general, incredibly slow. Nov 21 12:33:58 nod. Nov 21 12:34:31 ahemm. oh. the source is 445Mb... LOL Nov 21 12:34:52 yes, g++ is slow Nov 21 12:36:16 Bah. If it's slow, it just means you need more processing power! :P Nov 21 12:36:55 Two n900s Nov 21 12:37:33 Emulate a few more, or switch to a desktop(cluster)! Nov 21 12:38:06 Apparently Mozilla has dozens of N900's racked and mounted in a data center. Nov 21 12:38:15 Which I find incredibly amusing, for some reason. Nov 21 12:38:50 why the N900? :> it doesn't even have an ethernet port Nov 21 12:39:44 lo crashanddie Nov 21 12:41:37 Funnyface: it's always the interesting part of massive parellel processing to keep the needed grid bandwidth as low as possible Nov 21 12:49:12 derf, where've you heard that? (that mozilla has n900s on racks) Nov 21 12:49:50 i know mozilla originally was having a lot of trouble getting ahold of n900s last year, and i got the impression they just wanted a dozen or so test devices Nov 21 12:50:06 is it possible to make a special cable that allows hostmode and charging in the same time, or are they mutually exclusive? Nov 21 12:50:20 they are unrelated Nov 21 12:50:24 in short - yes Nov 21 12:50:42 so usb ethernet solves the bandwidth issue Nov 21 12:50:57 throughput is just awful Nov 21 12:50:59 err, i thought that the phone detects a charge by either negotiating with a usb host controller or by the data +/- pins being shorted? Nov 21 12:51:12 ieatlint: sort-of. Nov 21 12:51:21 ieatlint: but that's quite irrelevant Nov 21 12:51:31 to hostmode charging? Nov 21 12:51:32 ieatlint: the battery charger can also be turned on manually Nov 21 12:51:40 ah Nov 21 12:51:44 after killing BME Nov 21 12:51:50 well, that's not irrelevant then :P Nov 21 12:52:17 It's irrelevant in a properly designed system. Nov 21 12:52:51 yes, but if you have to stop BME and do something else special to get it to work, it's rather relevant Nov 21 12:57:12 There is nice software on the way to do this for you. Nov 21 13:04:53