**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 27 02:59:58 2010 Nov 27 03:00:29 First you have mydocs - this is 28G or whatever - that's vfat, and is where the camera and stuff saves pictures, and where the USB-mass-storage drive is Nov 27 03:01:09 Then you have / - this is 256M which lives right on top of the processor. This has all of the early-boot programs, and some random other stuff. Nov 27 03:01:23 then you have /home (also known as opt) which is 4G Nov 27 03:01:53 right and most apps install to opt Nov 27 03:01:59 im not concerned or anything Nov 27 03:02:06 it can all be repartitioned if need be Nov 27 03:02:11 im just doing this to learn Nov 27 03:06:58 You can't. Nov 27 03:07:10 / is 256M, and can not be easily replaced or changed. Nov 27 03:07:46 (you can in principle replace it with 512M, but yield is likely to be under 10%, with a skilled operative and good equipment) Nov 27 03:13:56 err 2G Nov 27 03:14:14 2G? That large? Nov 27 03:14:15 Oh Nov 27 03:14:16 right Nov 27 03:14:51 IroN900:~# df -h /home Nov 27 03:14:52 Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on Nov 27 03:14:54 /dev/mmcblk0p2 2.0G 491.3M 1.4G 26% /home Nov 27 03:15:05 I thought you meant the POP for a moment Nov 27 03:15:29 Battery Gauge die Temperature: 280 Kelvin Nov 27 03:15:31 headfreeze Nov 27 03:15:43 (but I have a lovely electric blanket) Nov 27 03:16:25 And bread baking. Nov 27 03:16:34 hmmmyum Nov 27 04:14:56 hi, just wondering how i might connect my nokia n900 in such a way that i can take a dd image of it? Nov 27 04:15:11 i wish to muck around with flashing it, but dont wanna lose my data Nov 27 04:17:43 user: your data is safe on /home and ~MyDocs Nov 27 04:18:22 DocScrutinizer: i wish to keep all apps and other settings as well though Nov 27 04:18:53 a proper dd img isn't a bad idea nevertheless. Obviously you need a rescue system for a correct img of / Nov 27 04:19:23 DocScrutinizer: how would i temporarily load up a rescue image? Nov 27 04:19:40 but backup app is pretty much restoring all apps and settings, aven after a flashing new rootfs Nov 27 04:20:22 what's not backed up are special edits you did manually to /etc/* Nov 27 04:20:26 and the like Nov 27 04:20:57 DocScrutinizer: is there a way to load an image only into ram? Nov 27 04:21:14 like a live image? Nov 27 04:21:14 anyway if you want to do it the absolute correct way, this might help: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd Nov 27 04:21:33 yes, this is exactly that Nov 27 04:21:43 thanks DocScrutinizer Nov 27 04:21:46 yw Nov 27 04:22:33 be aware though: it's usually a bad idea to do a physical img of NAND Nov 27 04:22:38 i must go now, thanks again DocScrutinizer, much appreciated Nov 27 04:22:49 DocScrutinizer: why is that? Nov 27 04:23:15 NAND has special bad block mgmnt and you can't simply write abck an img Nov 27 04:24:01 a sure way to really break your device as much as possible Nov 27 04:24:27 DocScrutinizer: i could use that to take and keep a local image, which i could mount loop, and rsync back though, correct? Nov 27 04:24:35 you need tools like nand_erase and other special tools (can't recall the name) to write to raw nand Nov 27 04:25:11 DocScrutinizer: i'll take a look - thanks :) Nov 27 04:25:14 I guess mounting the fs somewhere and do a logical img is a much better way Nov 27 04:25:49 DocScrutinizer: thanks again, much appreciated :) Nov 27 04:26:01 glad to help Nov 27 04:26:15 its been a great help :) Nov 27 04:26:18 adios! Nov 27 06:12:06 hi Nov 27 06:12:30 I seem unable to install a maemo sysroot in madde Nov 27 06:12:42 says it cannot find the sysroot file Nov 27 06:13:14 I'm looking for a tutorial on using the losetup command, prefferably taking in consideration any particularities the N900 might have that affect the use, any suggestions? Nov 27 06:15:01 basicly i'm thinking about setting up a virtual disk that is hosted on MyDocs dedicated for installing WebOS games Nov 27 06:15:54 on a file on MyDocs* Nov 27 06:18:33 anyone? Nov 27 06:33:13 balls :( Nov 27 06:35:34 -hey Nov 27 06:35:47 is there a browser that works ok on justin.tv? Nov 27 06:50:23 for watching or transmitting? Nov 27 06:50:40 watching Nov 27 06:53:22 what happens when you try with microB. Nov 27 06:57:16 ? Nov 27 07:02:53 anyway, i gotta go, cya Nov 27 07:10:00 moo Nov 27 07:10:02 Krugman vs Germany: http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/06/23/krugman-criticism-bolsters-weber-in-germany/ Nov 27 07:10:05 Wolfgang Franz, who heads the German government’s economic advisory panel known as the Wise Men, tore into Krugman — and the US — in an op-ed in the German business daily Wednesday, titled “How about some facts, Mr. Krugman?” Nov 27 07:10:09 “Where did the financial crisis begin? Which central bank conducted monetary policy that was too loose? Which country went down the wrong path of social policy by encouraging low income households to take on mortgage loans that they can never pay back? Nov 27 07:13:03 * RST38h yawns Nov 27 07:13:18 ~moohoho Nov 27 07:13:18 i guess moohoho is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t48kkwDhfw&NR=1 Nov 27 07:13:30 [Texas] Gov. Rick Perry said Thursday he would support sending U.S. troops into Mexico to fight the drug war. Nov 27 07:13:42 ...and good morning to you all. Nov 27 07:22:34 ugh Nov 27 07:23:04 this damn signal keeps moving between 3G and 3.5G Nov 27 07:23:14 and it makes my phone stutter Nov 27 07:24:38 it is driving me nuts :) Nov 27 07:25:28 * DocScrutinizer51 sighs Nov 27 07:26:05 Don't talk on the cell phone while driving! Nov 27 07:26:13 * RST38h cackles Nov 27 07:26:50 (seriously though, you can force it into 2G mode and leave it there, if there are handoff problems with 3G) Nov 27 07:28:11 check chanlog of maybe last 3 days about 3.5G Nov 27 07:28:48 there's no such thing like sgnal moving 3 to 3.5 Nov 27 07:39:25 darnit Nov 27 07:39:30 DHR set off my highlights again Nov 27 07:39:41 guess I should be a little more specific with my regex Nov 27 07:40:46 today/tomorrow or the next day, I need to un-narf my package management Nov 27 07:41:09 things got a little confused when I tried to install kdepim-mobile Nov 27 07:41:33 two different and differently named packages for clucene trying to be installed Nov 27 07:42:21 ah, well, too late (or early, depending on vantage point) to figure it out now. The phone's still workin', and I need to be doing the same in about 6 hours, so I really need to head to bed Nov 27 08:56:21 ... my usb connector move more and more Nov 27 08:56:25 * Khertan fer Nov 27 08:56:27 * Khertan fear Nov 27 08:57:39 Yo Nov 27 09:01:28 careful khertan Nov 27 09:01:38 wouldnt want it to break off in the port Nov 27 09:02:24 yep Nov 27 09:05:12 As long as you're nnot swinging it around by the USB lead, he shouldnt break it ;O) Nov 27 09:13:35 CableTwitch, is that what you think everyone else that got theirs broken was doing? (swinging around by the cable) Nov 27 09:30:03 Termana: Nah, its just those connectors arent made of glass, and can take a few hits. Unless you do something REALLY supid. Nov 27 09:30:05 Stupid too. Nov 27 09:31:29 weve all heard the stories Nov 27 09:31:35 from this particular model tho Nov 27 09:31:40 better safe than sorry Nov 27 09:31:50 and it does feel weak, in my opinion Nov 27 09:32:20 tho its probably an easy fix Nov 27 09:32:25 if you have some tweezers Nov 27 09:36:53 I dropped mine on its port while the USB cable was plugged in. The port stayed attaced to the Mobo, but the interbals of the port did snap. Nov 27 09:47:54 * trumee Finally jumped the gun and installed power-kernel. N900 USB router is awesome. Nov 27 09:51:56 is installing power-kernel a tedious process? Nov 27 10:13:00 how do I install thp's taskswitcher patch for having bigger thumbnails in the switcher? Nov 27 10:13:27 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63419&page=10 Nov 27 10:13:36 found this, Nov 27 10:13:48 but it's kind of hard to do Nov 27 10:14:52 And someone said it'd be easy? Nov 27 10:15:38 hehehe Nov 27 10:16:01 found this Nov 27 10:16:02 looks like you just install a package Nov 27 10:16:03 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=882567&postcount=94 Nov 27 10:16:19 single column or double column depending on what you prefer. Nov 27 10:16:20 hey alterego, congrats on your progress Nov 27 10:16:35 thanks :) Nov 27 10:16:41 you got yourself testers I see. Nov 27 10:16:52 I hope it goes all well! Nov 27 10:17:30 Yeah, got a few little things to sort out, but it's mostly done, bluetooth was the last major feature. Nov 27 10:18:02 oh man cant wait! something fresh! Nov 27 10:42:45 it still says incompatibile Nov 27 10:45:55 ok found this Nov 27 10:45:57 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=839445&postcount=50 Nov 27 11:20:57 sjk: no was quite simple. Nov 27 11:21:14 sjk: install through FAP, and a reboot. Nov 27 11:21:27 But don't do that too hard Nov 27 11:21:52 ba dum tssss Nov 27 11:24:17 Holy crap: http://orrent-finder.com Nov 27 11:24:27 shoot, http://torrent-finder.com Nov 27 11:32:43 crashanddie, The U.S. Government now has the power to seize domains under US control and where domains are not under US control, force US ISPs to actively block access to the domain. Nov 27 11:32:43 sloooooooow Nov 27 11:33:04 crashanddie, also - they need to find a better graphics artist that backdrop just looks cheesy Nov 27 11:34:06 I think it's about time we launched that p2p self-manage dns/tcp framework Nov 27 11:40:45 crashanddie, can still go here: http://torrent-finder.info/ (AFAIK it's the same site, but this domain hasn't been seized by the government) Nov 27 11:41:23 nha, idc about torrents Nov 27 11:41:46 i mean, i'm sick of governments meddling with the web Nov 27 11:46:13 yeah its the principle of the matter Nov 27 11:46:35 i mean thats a terrible site to go to for torrents anyway Nov 27 11:48:22 Oh, someone has made a qml desktop widget loader, neat. Nov 27 11:48:35 Wouldn't have a clue - I don't have enough bandwidth for torrents Nov 27 11:48:35 :op Nov 27 11:48:39 :p * Nov 27 11:49:59 crashanddie, seems like a standard thing for the US. The US Government wants to extend itself to where ever it can and enforce it's laws on it citizens no matter where they are - overseas, online, accessing overseas content online. Nov 27 11:50:07 Too bad Australia wants to meddle as well Nov 27 11:50:33 I couldn't care less what the US does, but what Australia does directly affects me :p Nov 27 11:52:06 booooored Nov 27 12:00:06 I have a new n900. I'd like to copy over some pictures to my laptop (Debian Linux). How do I do that? Nov 27 12:00:22 I was not able to see any partitions on the disk in USB mode. Nov 27 12:00:38 Or should I use some software with the PC-Suite mode? Nov 27 12:01:28 tzafrir: select “mass storage” then mount whatever partition appear? Nov 27 12:03:36 Corsac, I see two new discs (sdb and sdc) Nov 27 12:04:00 Their IDs are usb-Nokia_N900_372041756775-0:0:0 and usb-Nokia_N900_372041756775-0:1 Nov 27 12:04:11 I don't see them in /proc/partitions Nov 27 12:04:28 When I try to mount the disk device directly, mount seems to hang Nov 27 12:05:31 I didn't wait long enough: mount: /dev/sdb: unknown device Nov 27 12:07:24 Corsac, any idea what causes the above? Nov 27 12:09:42 * NooBmonk3y waves Nov 27 12:09:43 stupid question :) - is it possible to get the phones imei number from terminal? Nov 27 12:10:28 NooBmonk3y, dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.phone.SIM /com/nokia/phone/SIM/security Phone.Sim.Security.get_imei Nov 27 12:10:33 dbus I think you can query it. Nov 27 12:10:38 ty :) Nov 27 12:29:19 Has anyone ordered something from http://nokia-n900.com/store/ before? I'm just wondering since the site looks a bit ... weird? Nov 27 12:29:49 i personaly don't trust it Nov 27 12:33:10 Shame, would be nice to get a solar charger and a battery with free shipping. I'll see if I can find something on the forum about this site Nov 27 12:33:16 lcuk, cn you think of any clever way to test the n900 IR sender? Nov 27 12:34:04 Wizzup: if you're payign w/ PayPal, not sure how it can go bad Nov 27 12:34:24 NooBmonk3y: the camera can probably see ir Nov 27 12:34:28 use a mirror Nov 27 12:34:40 hmmmm... thinking in Healthcheck... Nov 27 12:34:50 can determine if it exists, but testit it aint easy Nov 27 12:34:53 testing* Nov 27 12:35:21 well, the only way to test that infrared comes out is to detect the infrared Nov 27 12:36:05 lol good point Nov 27 12:36:28 healthcheck has cam tests, right? Nov 27 12:36:36 well the new one hasn't but will do :P Nov 27 12:36:53 the problem is, the IR faces the wrong way for the camera to easily point at a mirror :p Nov 27 12:36:59 just make it possible to flash the ir while doing that Nov 27 12:37:18 NooBmonk3y: now with a slight tilt Nov 27 12:37:30 unless it's highly directional Nov 27 12:37:33 hmmm might give that a go when i get the camera tests working :) Nov 27 12:37:42 you could scatter it with a sheet of paper Nov 27 12:37:48 good point Nov 27 12:37:54 anybody? Nov 27 12:38:00 Free mirror with every free download of healthcheck lol ;) Nov 27 12:38:11 i actually cannot work out how to do this with irreco and the cam app Nov 27 12:38:30 unless there is a really long ir code for it Nov 27 12:38:51 :p Nov 27 12:39:04 which brings me to: anyone know of a tvbgone-style function for the n900? Nov 27 12:39:12 hmmm one last unrelated question, is it possible via dbus or terminal to get the local phone number from the sim? Nov 27 12:39:31 do sim cards even know? Nov 27 12:39:34 NooBmonk3y: I think so. Nov 27 12:39:38 ooo Nov 27 12:39:38 I think there's a dbus command. Nov 27 12:39:44 alterego, ! oooOooOoo! Nov 27 12:39:58 I can't help other wise though :P Nov 27 12:44:04 BRB Nov 27 12:51:27 DocScrutinizer: thanks for yesterdays mention of "remote SCSI"; iSCSI worked perfectly and windows has a native client. Nov 27 12:51:45 ... and to think I was going to roll my own solution ... Nov 27 12:52:28 ok, I give up on mounting. Giving ssh a shot Nov 27 12:52:55 I was able to connect with ssh using root, but not using 'user' Nov 27 12:53:34 I did not set a password for it anywhere, but I copied over an authorised key file (from root) Nov 27 12:54:00 Make sure the permissions on the file are correct. Nov 27 12:54:15 Permissins seem to be ok. But is it possible that sshd is fussy about the group being "users"? Nov 27 12:54:38 iirc the passwd file on stock maemo says "user" is disabled Nov 27 12:54:51 also says that about "root" Nov 27 12:55:07 you need the right permissions on ~/,ssh too Nov 27 12:55:12 and ~ Nov 27 12:56:08 hmm... let's see. .ssh is already 700 . ~ is 755 (so not writable by anybody else) Nov 27 12:56:20 I tried changing it to 700, and still no luck Nov 27 12:56:36 authorized_keys is 600 Nov 27 12:58:06 javispedro, hmm... so I have to set a password for the user to use a pubkey authentication? Nov 27 12:59:31 I have a password set for user, and it works Nov 27 12:59:33 I dunno Nov 27 12:59:57 right. sshd tells me that the user is disabled Nov 27 13:00:07 But I had to start a separate sshd to see that Nov 27 13:00:19 Where can I see messages sent to syslog ? Nov 27 13:01:10 good morning... probably stupid question: how do i auto-reject calls on the n900? the mycontacts applications seems to provide that feature i cant really figure out how to enable it though... Nov 27 13:02:36 I would really love to avoid setting a password for the user. I see that passwords are saved in /etc/passwd and use DES crypt Nov 27 13:03:01 So anybody running code on the device can have a shot at my password. Nov 27 13:03:08 Any way to avoid that? Nov 27 13:03:34 isnt there a script that autoblocks incoming calls Nov 27 13:03:43 you just have to add them to a textfile Nov 27 13:03:46 **add the numbers Nov 27 13:03:47 tzafrir: set a random string as password hash Nov 27 13:03:47 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=884348&postcount=8 Nov 27 13:03:53 I think I saw it on youtube Nov 27 13:04:11 javispedro, I would like to avoid that, if not necessary Nov 27 13:04:23 tzafrir: like "*"; anything that cannot be the result of crypt() Nov 27 13:04:29 tzafrir: why? Nov 27 13:05:31 javispedro, thanks. Replacing the '!' with a '*' did the trick Nov 27 13:05:37 (for user 'user') Nov 27 13:06:02 now, will digikam work over ssh? Nov 27 13:06:42 ask whoever made digikam :) Nov 27 13:07:57 or is there maybe a different way to autoreject calls than mycontacts? :s Nov 27 13:13:57 no luck there. They probably rely on kde "mounts", which I don't want to use Nov 27 13:14:25 and I'm still unable to use the simple method of mounting a USB storage device Nov 27 13:14:34 (doesn't work. See above) Nov 27 13:15:52 Ahh, there we go. Nov 27 13:17:00 hi guys Nov 27 13:17:31 did you try the application Commo? Nov 27 13:17:57 no, I haven't Nov 27 13:18:01 what does it do? Nov 27 13:18:13 youre commo? it blocks calls Nov 27 13:18:14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E89B4RspcfM Nov 27 13:18:21 its a py script Nov 27 13:18:31 sounds nice Nov 27 13:18:54 Khertan, good afternoon Nov 27 13:25:08 I'm beginning to question AutoDisconect's usefulness Nov 27 13:26:34 Well, I don't use it :P Nov 27 13:27:23 heh Nov 27 13:27:53 maybe I shouldn't either Nov 27 13:28:03 but sometimes it is really good Nov 27 13:28:08 yeah I wouldnt use an app called auto disconnect Nov 27 13:28:16 what does it do? Nov 27 13:28:34 it disconnetcs connections from which I forget to disconnect Nov 27 13:28:45 saves lots of battery Nov 27 13:28:46 idk why you would forget Nov 27 13:28:58 oh well I carry a spare too Nov 27 13:29:36 but the problem is, I can't tell it not to do so when I'm ircing Nov 27 13:29:53 at least it doesn't disconnect while the screen is on Nov 27 13:30:12 maybe I should talk to its author Nov 27 13:30:47 ~seen Khertan Nov 27 13:30:51 khertan is currently on #maemo #meego. Has said a total of 56 messages. Is idling for 4h 28m 26s, last said: 'yep'. Nov 27 13:36:31 ffs Nov 27 13:39:56 Time to partah. Nov 27 13:40:00 * Termana does the birthday jiggle Nov 27 13:41:53 Pfft. What a boring lot you guys are. And to think I schedule you guys in for the whole day for my birthday, like I had nothing else to do (*COUGH* I don't *COUGH*) Nov 27 13:42:53 Happy birthday :) Nov 27 13:43:01 alterego, thanks :p Nov 27 13:43:33 alterego, up for some.... SQUARE DANCIN'? YEEHAW :p Nov 27 13:43:47 Heh Nov 27 13:44:01 At the moment I'm trying to validate my satellite widget is rendering correctly. Nov 27 13:44:10 For some reason it disagrees with maps on the N810 Nov 27 13:45:19 alterego, is this the thing you said you were planning to sell? How do you intend to also sell it on the N810? Nov 27 13:45:32 I don't. Nov 27 13:45:41 It doesn't work on the N810 Nov 27 13:46:05 I'm using the N810 built in "Maps" application to see if the satellite position rendering aligns. Nov 27 13:46:14 It doesn't, so I think I might be doing something wrong. Nov 27 13:49:48 IT's pretty simple geometry. Nov 27 13:49:56 Don't know why I keep screwing it up ^.6 Nov 27 13:54:18 Interesting, it seems mirrored, which might mean my elevation is reversed. Nov 27 13:54:28 * MohammadAG stabs Termana with a candle Nov 27 13:54:51 or you're underground Nov 27 13:57:38 MohammadAG, as long as it didn't go out - I still get a girlfriend!.... Nov 27 14:09:44 * alterego is starting to think that the bug is in the Maemo 4 Maps application .. Nov 27 14:10:06 No way to validate though :/ Nov 27 14:10:40 hmm... I ended up just rsyncing the files over to my system Nov 27 14:11:26 alterego: google maps Nov 27 14:11:43 alterego - no way to compare it on the n900 itself? Nov 27 14:11:49 Google maps can't ply the constellation :P Nov 27 14:11:56 ~display .. Nov 27 14:12:01 alterego: it can give you lat/lon Nov 27 14:12:18 It's just my display dial that I'm trying to validate. Nov 27 14:12:42 ah Nov 27 14:12:46 I need to know if my azimuth/elevation conversion is working and display the satellites relative position correctly. Nov 27 14:13:02 ah Nov 27 14:13:05 umm Nov 27 14:13:20 Anyhow, minor issue I can resolve next week when I borrow my dads Garmin :) Nov 27 14:13:20 there was an app that had a az/el Nov 27 14:13:38 maetracks or something Nov 27 14:13:51 The lib location test app does actually. Nov 27 14:14:07 alterego, with all your gps looking, have you seen cloudgps? Nov 27 14:14:09 It just shows signal strengths Nov 27 14:14:12 not alt/az Nov 27 14:14:20 one of the most fantasticly super slick apps on maemo :) Nov 27 14:14:27 Hrm, oh yeah. Nov 27 14:14:39 lcuk_idea: I have heard about it yeah. Nov 27 14:14:47 He uses OpenGL to render a map. Nov 27 14:15:16 yes :) very nicely done, shows how a well tuned app can make optimal use of the resources :) Nov 27 14:15:44 it cheats tho :) Nov 27 14:16:12 If it works it's not cheating .. Nov 27 14:17:01 "A wise man once said that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" Nov 27 14:17:27 Heh Nov 27 14:17:28 Was it Penn or Teller? Nov 27 14:17:38 javispedro, why do you suggest it cheats? Nov 27 14:18:08 Because he's one task in life is to discount the hard work of others' :P Nov 27 14:18:12 ~his .. Nov 27 14:19:13 lcuk_idea: have you seen my latest screenshots? Nov 27 14:19:39 I'm going to be getting a few people to help test the app next week and give me feedback. Nov 27 14:19:42 no alterego i have been getting aquanted with this meego ideapad Nov 27 14:19:48 Heh Nov 27 14:20:06 lcuk_idea: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/Screenshot-20101120-175812.png Nov 27 14:20:11 * lcuk_idea has learnt to write on a chalk board Nov 27 14:20:12 That's my refined status view. Nov 27 14:21:26 lcuk_idea: because it doesn't use xrandr to rotate, like harmattan :) Nov 27 14:21:53 O_o Nov 27 14:22:08 What has that got to do with anything? Nov 27 14:22:16 javispedro, it uses the power of awesomeness tho Nov 27 14:22:39 the fade in/out transition on the buttons themselves is nifty and a really clean way to do it Nov 27 14:23:00 * lcuk_idea spent quite some time talking with damion at the conf Nov 27 14:23:18 Good riddance to bad rubish. Nov 27 14:23:26 which Nov 27 14:23:28 The Netbook UX is just broken. Nov 27 14:23:44 well what have you replaced it with Nov 27 14:23:54 ubuntu I bet :P Nov 27 14:23:58 Or windows 7! :D Nov 27 14:24:22 * lcuk_idea wants to put handset image on it Nov 27 14:24:25 Ubuntu for now. Nov 27 14:24:34 * lcuk_idea sighs Nov 27 14:24:38 Using the Mini 9 more than the Lenovo, though. Nov 27 14:24:48 Netbook = Laptop Nov 27 14:24:58 So, netbooks do not require separate UI Nov 27 14:25:13 GAN900: I'll swap you another Mini9 for your Lenovo :) Nov 27 14:25:23 alterego, no. Nov 27 14:25:32 :( Nov 27 14:25:36 I'd love to swap the two of them for a MacBook Air. Nov 27 14:25:44 The only reason why everyone does Meego on netbooks is because Moblin has been specifically developed for them and on them Nov 27 14:25:53 GAN900: awful Nov 27 14:26:03 Functional! Nov 27 14:26:15 And what's wrong with the Mini 9? Nov 27 14:26:17 Non-crap trackpad, keyboard and screen. Nov 27 14:26:24 Heh Nov 27 14:26:31 Not a lot, bit constrained in all senses, though. Nov 27 14:26:33 Have you used an Air? Nov 27 14:26:37 Yes Nov 27 14:26:45 GAN: And you call it functional? Nov 27 14:27:03 I dunno, they look sleek, like all Crapple products do, but the price tag is just as pathetically high. Nov 27 14:27:13 RST38h, I don't use laptops as my primary computing device Nov 27 14:27:19 Ah ok Nov 27 14:27:20 I have Mac Pro for that Nov 27 14:27:40 * RST38h uses a subnotebook as his primary computing device, and the Air would not fit the requirements Nov 27 14:27:45 GAN900, then why did you not keep meego on it - with meego base, it should be possible to switch uxes as they come out Nov 27 14:27:50 or that was my impression :P Nov 27 14:27:52 Despite what "they" say GAN900 these products wont help you find a girlfriend ;) Nov 27 14:28:07 alterego, yeah, but everything else in that size range uses crap screens, crap trackpads and crap keyboards. Nov 27 14:28:07 alterego: a boyfriend, on the other hand... Nov 27 14:28:37 RST38h: sounds like you're interested ;) Nov 27 14:28:38 lcuk_idea, because I don't have that much patience. Nov 27 14:28:44 alterego, says you. Nov 27 14:29:04 alterego: as an armchair antropologist, yes, by all means =) Nov 27 14:29:13 Actually, Apple has lost all of its fashion appeal over here. Nov 27 14:29:25 Every idiot with $100 has an iPhone. Nov 27 14:29:59 GAN900, you have many computers running various things, this one just added to that collection Nov 27 14:30:19 GAN900: and you're saying they've lost their fashion appeal? Nov 27 14:30:49 alterego, nobody's impressed by an Apple logo at the coffee shop anymore. Nov 27 14:30:53 GAN: So, what is the next big fashion gadget then? Nov 27 14:31:06 Good question Nov 27 14:31:17 Dell Nov 27 14:31:21 pfft Nov 27 14:31:22 Nooooooooooooooo Nov 27 14:31:27 The iPhone's still it from a buyer's perspective Nov 27 14:31:31 don't make me laugh :) Nov 27 14:31:38 But nobody else actually cares if you have one. Nov 27 14:31:44 Then Apple has not lost its appeal Nov 27 14:32:00 Fashion is not always the same as Prestige =) Nov 27 14:32:26 Right, apologies for the N900-keyboard imprecision. ;) Nov 27 14:33:02 I'm sorry, I didn't realise we were a bunch of no brains buying gadgets because they were in fashion Nov 27 14:33:11 Heh, KDE has got its own Tracker Nov 27 14:33:15 Now excuse me while I go drive my car the wrong way down a one way street Nov 27 14:33:21 RST38h: with exciting name! Nov 27 14:33:26 Nepromuk iirc? Nov 27 14:33:52 javispedro: Nepomuk is related to Tracker afaik Nov 27 14:34:01 javispedro: But check out Akonadi Nov 27 14:34:10 Akonadi is PIM-only Nov 27 14:34:15 Ah Nov 27 14:34:23 does what evolution-data-server does afaik Nov 27 14:34:47 So, it is not Akonadi replacing tracker, it is tracker wishing to replace akonadi Nov 27 14:34:57 heh Nov 27 14:34:59 By indexing addresses and communications too Nov 27 14:35:25 Spotlight's the only indexing service I've seen that works halfway OK. Nov 27 14:35:42 Tracker is just comical. Nov 27 14:35:54 Darn it pressed the wrong button :p Nov 27 14:35:59 just having goals different from yours (and 99.99999% other people) Nov 27 14:36:20 But in itself, Tracker is a wonderful academic project :) Nov 27 14:36:37 Perhaps we should get them grant money. Nov 27 14:37:19 On a condition of staying away from certain personal communication devices (list included)? Nov 27 14:37:22 tracker is designed to index everything .. Nov 27 14:37:44 Something to do with the semantic web aswell I'd imagine. Nov 27 14:37:50 Data clouds and stuff. Nov 27 14:37:54 If you exclude 99.99999% of people, there's still like 600 people left. Nov 27 14:38:22 Yes, it is trying to build ontologies of the indexed data afaik Nov 27 14:38:31 Cloud stuff has nothing to do with it though Nov 27 14:39:17 Also, people have been trying to build ontologies for at least 15 years now (probably more like 20-22),with very few practical results Nov 27 14:39:41 derf: ...and 550 of them are Chinese. Nov 27 14:39:53 But it's the foundations of the semantic web maaaan! Nov 27 14:39:58 Sorry, wrong math,make it 150. Nov 27 14:40:01 probably, because endusers are still to the set the net immediate benefit Nov 27 14:40:04 derf, what a cute observation :) Nov 27 14:40:09 s/to the set/to see/ Nov 27 14:40:10 javispedro meant: probably, because endusers are still to see the net immediate benefit Nov 27 14:40:31 javispedro: Well, rthe research proposals all look wonderful Nov 27 14:40:54 javispedro:Especially ones made to various national security related organizations Nov 27 14:41:14 I started a semantic project at my previous job, the management didn't understand the net benifit either. Nov 27 14:41:31 They couldn't understand why it'd be better than what they already had. Nov 27 14:41:39 I thought that point was quite clear though :/ Nov 27 14:41:57 I never knew what to do with those proposals. Nov 27 14:42:01 javispedro: Usually go along the lines of "computers to automatically analyze collected intelligence information, looking for links connecting suspects, instantly giving you cohesive intelligence related to your query" Nov 27 14:42:18 Our company wanted to bid on them, but you could never tell what the sponsoring organization wanted you to actually _do_. Nov 27 14:42:27 hey guys is there a default lock code for the N900? Nov 27 14:42:33 So it was like, how the gekk do I write a proposal to that? Nov 27 14:42:39 javispedro: Once you start actually doing it, things get mighty hairy though Nov 27 14:42:50 derf: But that is an advantage Nov 27 14:43:01 derf: They basically want you to TELL them what they want Nov 27 14:43:01 RST38h: And use that cohesive intelligence to automatically dispatch a GPS-guided missile? Nov 27 14:43:05 To a normal person, yes. Nov 27 14:43:08 But not to me. Nov 27 14:43:17 RST38h: that's the exact proposal I had for Tyco! Nov 27 14:43:22 derf: So, you just turn on a bit of fantays and put together a proposal Nov 27 14:43:58 alterego: Why would Tyco want this stuff, I do not know Nov 27 14:44:06 Well the problem is that a) you have to promise to deliver something, b) it has to be better than your competitors promise, and c) you have to be able to claim success at the end. Nov 27 14:44:13 There are two Tycos, one is into toys another into tires Nov 27 14:44:19 Becase Tyco develop software solutions that the gov't use. Nov 27 14:44:22 a) I was okay with. b) and c) are hard Nov 27 14:44:27 derf: Ok, let me start with b) Nov 27 14:44:35 I was a software engineer writing software for the intelligence services. Nov 27 14:44:48 derf: You avoid b) by carefully crafting your proposal to propose different thign from the competition Nov 27 14:45:03 derf: And explain why different thing is better, as it does what other thigns do not do Nov 27 14:45:09 yay found it.... Nov 27 14:45:09 I thought it was a pretty good idea, some others' thought it was a really good idea, but it just didn't get the wind to sail unfortunately. Nov 27 14:45:35 RST38h: That sounds like something you would do at a company actually invovled in the field who researches their competitors. Nov 27 14:45:41 derf: a) and c) are related, and you solve them by promising to deliver a proof-of-concept solution Nov 27 14:45:57 derf: and defining it really loosely Nov 27 14:46:07 As opposed to one where they say, "Hey, this has been bouncing around my inbox for 3 months, but now it's due in 3 days, can you write something for it?" Nov 27 14:46:18 loft306, what was it? Nov 27 14:46:20 On a Friday. Nov 27 14:46:29 alterego: a small demo always helps more than a dozen proposals btw ;) Nov 27 14:46:52 RST38h: yes, something I learned that day ;) Nov 27 14:47:20 joga http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35998 2nd post Nov 27 14:47:20 Running code trumps vast amounts of speculation. Nov 27 14:47:24 alterego: And yes, people have been known to fake those demos (see Boeing and its JSF prototype aka "Monica") Nov 27 14:48:01 Well, I worked on the project a lot in my own spare time, was working really well. Then I got made redundant so the project is collecting dust on my backup drive. Nov 27 14:48:07 loft306, ah, k. I just ran john the ripper to get the code, I bought mine used :) Nov 27 14:48:39 the guy who sold it forgot to tell the code so it was faster than waiting for an answer in mail :) Nov 27 14:48:48 now I know his birthday heh Nov 27 14:49:09 i expected a type in your comde window bit Nov 27 14:49:32 then i was like crap Nov 27 14:52:08 http://i.imgur.com/D9ZGU.jpg Nov 27 14:52:18 oops wrong server Nov 27 14:58:52 ciao Nov 27 14:58:57 !list Nov 27 15:11:45 MohammadAG, :) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=884418#post884418 Nov 27 15:12:57 NooBmonk3y, Figure out how to determine phone number via dbus! <--? Nov 27 15:13:03 yeah Nov 27 15:13:43 I think there's a dbus command. :) - so i'ma hunting Nov 27 15:13:52 :) Nov 27 15:15:10 alterego, I think there isn't one Nov 27 15:15:15 you can get IMSI and IMEI, but not phone number Nov 27 15:15:39 MohammadAG, i will sqeeze this n900 dry until i've found it lol Nov 27 15:15:47 if only dbus was properly documented ;) Nov 27 15:15:59 Hrm, Nov 27 15:16:12 Maybe it's in the user contact card in the contact db? Nov 27 15:16:51 hmmmmmmmm Nov 27 15:16:56 no Nov 27 15:17:08 frals, almost sounded authoratitative then Nov 27 15:17:11 or well, if the user puts it there, but its not stored anywhere by default Nov 27 15:17:14 :P Nov 27 15:17:30 * NooBmonk3y just made up a new word n liked it lol Nov 27 15:17:51 alterego, maybe, but I'm sure it's not accessible via dbus by default Nov 27 15:18:21 MohammadAG, maybe healthcheck should grow arms and bitch slap the user until they tell me their number? ;) Nov 27 15:18:28 as MohammadAG said you can get imei/imsi but not sim cards own number Nov 27 15:18:38 because its not stored on sim by default Nov 27 15:18:48 frals, ..... does the n900 allow using the ussd commands etc to get your number? Nov 27 15:19:02 * NooBmonk3y hasnt kept up to date with that lot of stuff Nov 27 15:19:03 it's not a standard GSM code Nov 27 15:19:13 i.e my operator doesn't even use USSD for most of this stuff Nov 27 15:19:22 hmmmmmm Nov 27 15:19:39 just thinking , if the phone doesnt store it, can it be requested in any way from the operator? Nov 27 15:22:11 lcuk, you are brainy, can you think of any other ways to get the local phone number? Nov 27 15:23:08 * lcuk_idea reads scrollback Nov 27 15:23:35 NooBmonk3y, i asked myself, afaik you need a ussd code Nov 27 15:23:51 but it makes sense also to add a contact for yourself (for ICE purposes) Nov 27 15:23:53 hmmmmmm..... wonder if there is a generic list somewhere :) Nov 27 15:23:58 i just have my number in there too Nov 27 15:24:00 lcuk_idea, there's no standard USSD code Nov 27 15:24:03 as i already know the network being used Nov 27 15:24:21 call mandy and ask her :P Nov 27 15:24:28 MohammadAG, maybe not but i can cater for most :) - as i know the network Nov 27 15:24:35 so could list all known ussd codes per network Nov 27 15:24:48 NooBmonk3y, that'd be racist for me Nov 27 15:24:58 lol lcuk , she is baking cakes ;) Nov 27 15:25:05 MohammadAG, ussd'ist Nov 27 15:25:09 mmmm bacon cake Nov 27 15:25:48 NooBmonk3y, focus on more health check related stuff :) Nov 27 15:25:55 lol Nov 27 15:26:02 yes daddy Nov 27 15:26:06 like, capture volume keys and camera key for a button test Nov 27 15:26:34 oh pooo, forgotten about button tests Nov 27 15:28:56 NooBmonk3y, do a drop test Nov 27 15:29:02 lol Nov 27 15:29:34 "Drop the N900, if you see the message on the screen, it survived the drop" Nov 27 15:29:48 "If not..." Nov 27 15:30:09 Emergency service response time test. Nov 27 15:30:21 Play a machine-gun and screams over 911. Nov 27 15:31:45 lol! Nov 27 15:35:01 SpeedEvil, you earnt your name with that quote Nov 27 15:51:19 I wonder if I could use tracker to create waypoints from images taken with the N900 Nov 27 15:56:39 hi Nov 27 15:57:28 Aloha Nov 27 15:58:10 alterego: only if it indexes gps data Nov 27 15:58:11 alterego: if geotags are turned on, then maybe Nov 27 15:58:19 which it probably does not at the moment Nov 27 15:58:39 I think it does actually. Nov 27 15:58:50 I vaguely remember seeing it, but I might be wrong. Nov 27 15:58:56 * RST38h wonders if Maep author would consider adding photos found in the device to the map, automatically Nov 27 15:59:15 maybe Nov 27 16:03:43 "Symbian Foundation has now announced that its websites will shut down on December 17th. Source repositories will no longer be hosted online, and user-submitted content databases may be available later upon request." Nov 27 16:03:52 wtf Nov 27 16:03:52 Somuch for "open-sourcing" Symbian. Nov 27 16:04:28 this is lol Nov 27 16:05:11 seems that open sourcing didn't help them much anyway Nov 27 16:05:34 but I thought that they'll leave it OSS Nov 27 16:05:48 well, you'll still be able to request a dvd Nov 27 16:06:13 Maybe. Nov 27 16:07:59 hehe Nov 27 16:08:00 Quick download the source and fork! Nov 27 16:08:12 :D Nov 27 16:08:39 Then startup a new site called the Symbium Foiundation. Nov 27 16:08:47 ~Foundation .. Nov 27 16:13:02 alterego: honestly... what for? Nov 27 16:13:20 Meh, Nov 27 16:13:33 posterity? Nov 27 16:18:59 :D Nov 27 16:21:36 is Mathan ever on irc? Nov 27 16:27:13 how much of MicroB is open? Nov 27 16:33:36 Venemo_N900: Mathan or Matan? Nov 27 16:41:20 Jaffa: dunno. I mean the guy who makes hacks for the hildon-desktop Nov 27 16:41:41 Jaffa: maybe he's Matan? Nov 27 16:44:15 and trolls Nov 27 16:45:32 trolls? Nov 27 16:50:58 Matan loves trolling Nov 27 16:51:04 It's his favorite hobby. Nov 27 16:52:10 He isn't very professional at it though Nov 27 16:52:24 And consistent Nov 27 16:53:32 lol Nov 27 16:53:39 true Nov 27 16:54:31 hey Texrat Nov 27 16:55:09 GAN900: lol :D Nov 27 16:55:10 hey Texrat, long time no see :) Nov 27 16:55:20 so does he ever come to irc? Nov 27 16:55:29 Venemo_N900, thankfully Nov 27 16:55:29 once in a while Nov 27 16:55:32 trolls? Nov 27 16:55:39 hey guys Nov 27 16:55:39 I meant he hacks and trolls at the same time Nov 27 16:55:59 Hey Texrat Nov 27 16:56:05 he should stick to hacking lol Nov 27 16:56:13 Texrat: long time no see ;) Nov 27 16:56:28 Texrat, you need to idle more. I had something funny to tell you yesterday, now I can't remember it. Nov 27 16:56:35 sorry, I forget to also drop in here... Nov 27 16:56:44 MohammadAG: I understand Nov 27 16:56:51 feh... I was busy all day yesterda Nov 27 17:01:39 hiyas Nov 27 17:02:21 yeah, no fun in bashing good hackers that are poor at trolling Nov 27 17:21:16 Hi Nov 27 17:23:12 hi Nov 27 17:23:46 ~seen fcrochik Nov 27 17:23:56 fcrochik <~communi@cpe-174-097-248-002.nc.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 6d 3h 2m 13s ago, saying: 'ok...something "funny".... on the ideapad "sudo zypper install rpm-build" crashes with segmentation fault when downloading elfutils-lib... if I install it by itself and then the rest it works... it is just my luck these days!'. Nov 27 17:27:21 MohammadAG: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=884450&postcount=77 I suggest you include some BOLD size=4 editing on the "new package is fixed" part. Even better: *please* include a pointer to a up-to-date tested_to_work idiot hardened installation instruction Nov 27 17:27:35 afternoon all Nov 27 17:27:38 lo Nov 27 17:27:59 hey Nov 27 17:28:19 hey chaps Nov 27 17:29:14 hello Nov 27 17:29:28 hi Texrat, long time no see Nov 27 17:29:29 MohammadAG: also an explanation about zhings we are interested in, and things to better take elsewhere (like fcam incompatibilities) should go to such a generic installation instruction Nov 27 17:29:46 end ... of... 2010... >_< Nov 27 17:30:31 pupnik: carpe diem Nov 27 17:31:18 pupnik: what's the problem with that? Nov 27 17:31:40 have to remember the new year when writing cheques Nov 27 17:33:39 last party I tried to kickoff was 20.02. 2002 20:02, alas I sucked on invitations. Maybe they change calendar to get >= 20 months/year, until 2020 ;-P Nov 27 17:34:54 moo lardman Nov 27 17:35:01 moo RST38h Nov 27 17:35:11 moohoho Nov 27 17:35:30 ~moo Nov 27 17:35:31 * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass Nov 27 17:35:37 ~moohoho Nov 27 17:35:37 somebody said moohoho was http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t48kkwDhfw&NR=1 Nov 27 17:39:32 as those 20 months/y seem unlikely, maybe I should go for 2020 week 20, +20h20m Nov 27 17:39:59 or UGT timestamp 202020202020 Nov 27 17:41:06 and start a rumour that this is the new end of the world as predicted by a recently discovered Mayan thread calendar? Nov 27 17:41:14 ;) Nov 27 17:41:19 hehe Nov 27 17:42:09 * DocScrutinizer wonders how to fight his SantaClaus-trophoby Nov 27 17:42:40 write visualization effects for christmas Nov 27 17:44:18 * lardman hates trying to find bad data so he can show examples of how to process it Nov 27 17:44:42 I know of a source of 180GB of xml. Nov 27 17:44:44 eeeerrrr? o.O?? Nov 27 17:44:51 Would that be of use? Nov 27 17:44:51 lol SpeedEvil Nov 27 17:45:16 SpeedEvil: OSM? Nov 27 17:45:23 yes Nov 27 17:45:24 processing is fecking easy: rm -rf Nov 27 17:45:37 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Planet.osm Nov 27 17:45:38 hehe DocScrutinizer Nov 27 17:46:25 what else could you possibly do with bad data Nov 27 17:46:39 but... it's our Planet! Nov 27 17:46:41 .osm Nov 27 17:46:41 Fix it. Nov 27 17:46:50 Auto-determine the degree of badness. Nov 27 17:46:57 Find out who is to blame. Nov 27 17:47:35 actually there's no way to fix bad data, you can only replace it by better data Nov 27 17:47:56 Sure there is. Nov 27 17:47:59 knowledge about degree of badness is useless Nov 27 17:48:07 Taking the above as an example. Nov 27 17:48:51 If you have higway:primary as a key - it's certainly a typo for highway:primary Nov 27 17:49:13 the above is an extemely poor example. Not the data but the object to deliver the data is bad Nov 27 17:49:16 And degree of badness per unit area can be a useful pointer as to places that need fixed Nov 27 17:50:21 SpeedEvil: learn to abstract: that's not bad data, that's bad formatting Nov 27 17:50:42 nah, bad thermal image data is what I need Nov 27 17:50:53 but not so bad that it can't be cleaned up, just on the cusp Nov 27 17:51:08 all good fun Nov 27 17:51:31 * SpeedEvil passes lardman a pile of old faxes. Nov 27 17:51:42 lol Nov 27 17:52:01 DocScrutinizer: it's bad data. The data is entered by the users - and they typoed it. Nov 27 17:52:24 then it's data about user state of mind Nov 27 17:52:37 and actually poor data Nov 27 17:53:32 well, maybe my def of data and distinction to info is flawed Nov 27 17:54:05 maybe correct def of data is "formated info" Nov 27 17:54:53 * lardman decides to brave the icy footpaths and get some food Nov 27 17:54:57 * DocScrutinizer ponders a second latte M. Nov 27 17:56:17 data doesn't have to be formatted :) Nov 27 17:57:09 no, data has a auto-restart for his positron matrix Nov 27 17:57:39 :-P Nov 27 17:59:42 Wondering whether to use flat file or database to store my tracklogs ... Nov 27 18:00:57 It would be nice (for me) to be able to upload to http://www.openstreetmap.org/traces Nov 27 18:00:57 alterego, what maemo applications are you developing? Nov 27 18:01:31 However, I'd like to be able to specify a few circles in the world to punch out of the tracklogs before upload. Nov 27 18:01:52 SpeedEvil: they use GPX right? Nov 27 18:01:57 yes Nov 27 18:02:07 My app exports that fine. Nov 27 18:02:35 I'm talking about native format, :) Nov 27 18:02:49 I mean auto-upload. Nov 27 18:03:05 flat files have big plusses. Nov 27 18:03:50 what is a flat file? Nov 27 18:03:53 SpeedEvil: hrm, yeah, I've been thinking about linking with web services. Nov 27 18:04:18 I've got a plugin interface, so people can add that sort of functionailty :) Nov 27 18:05:43 alterego: sounds nice Nov 27 18:05:55 ~dict lore Nov 27 18:05:58 Dictionary 'lore' (1 of 6): \Lore\, obs. imp. & p. p. of {Lose}. [See {Lose}.] Lost. [1913 Webster] Neither of them she found where she them lore. --Spenser. [1913 Webster]. Nov 27 18:06:19 hmhm I think I read someone here talking about using the n900 as a bluetooth gps device, is it possible? Nov 27 18:06:27 * DocScrutinizer smiles about esprit in startrek naming Nov 27 18:06:33 Corsac: my app does it ;) Nov 27 18:06:56 But it's not released yet, I finished that feature last night :) Nov 27 18:07:12 alterego: we will soon discover that your app also created the world as we know it :P Nov 27 18:07:31 alterego: oh. Nov 27 18:07:41 alterego: far from a release? :) Nov 27 18:08:07 Corsac: he hasn't decided yet whether to make it OSS or release for cash Nov 27 18:08:14 oh. Nov 27 18:08:22 Corsac: planning for a week of testing. Then release. Nov 27 18:08:29 But no it's not FOSS Nov 27 18:09:19 I suggested to him to release in Ovi for some cash Nov 27 18:09:51 :D Nov 27 18:09:54 Not Ovi, I'm gonna host it all myself. Nov 27 18:10:03 hm Nov 27 18:10:13 and how much it's gonna cost? Nov 27 18:10:49 Probably about 3 euro Nov 27 18:11:10 Normal rip off mobile prices :) Nov 27 18:12:04 :P Nov 27 18:22:53 alterego: 3 euro for something like that? Nov 27 18:23:25 esspecialy considering that all it has to do is accept rfcomm bluetooth connection and push gps data in nmea format Nov 27 18:24:04 jacekowski: his app does more than that Nov 27 18:25:11 IT has master and slave mode actually :) Nov 27 18:25:42 But yes, it's not just a bluetooth nmea provider. Nov 27 18:29:39 guys Nov 27 18:30:11 I'm still looking for an idea for my homework application Nov 27 18:30:21 An application that does your homework? Nov 27 18:30:26 no Nov 27 18:30:36 I already have an app that accepts BT and pushes NMEA Nov 27 18:30:49 In fact I have an app that accepts BT and pushes Garmin protocol =) Nov 27 18:30:51 javispedro: have you got it to work yet? :P Nov 27 18:30:51 an application that I write as my homework for the mobile linux applications course Nov 27 18:30:58 alterego: I made it :) Nov 27 18:31:01 so, ofc. Nov 27 18:31:11 You were having problems with NMEA last I heard. Nov 27 18:31:14 Unless it was someone else. Nov 27 18:31:34 I was having some accuracy problems with the Garmin version -- track behaved crazily Nov 27 18:31:36 Why haven't you released it then? Lots of people want it .. Nov 27 18:31:38 s/track/course Nov 27 18:32:00 but nRoute pinpointed my position on the map flawlessly Nov 27 18:32:09 because it's mostly trivial? Nov 27 18:32:31 i'm sure luke-jr has also done it Nov 27 18:33:04 * sjk pokes alterego Nov 27 18:33:29 Trivial for people that can program, so you don't think it's worthy of extras? Nov 27 18:33:53 http://gitorious.org/nmeagend/nmeagend nmea version, http://gitorious.org/garminchatd/garminchatd garmin pvt version Nov 27 18:34:10 Nice packaging ... Nov 27 18:34:25 http://www.osnews.com/story/24074/US_Government_Censors_70_Websites The US has started seizing the domain names of various websites through ICANN - not because owners of these sites were convicted of anything, but merely because complaints have been filed against them. Nov 27 18:34:44 :/ Nov 27 18:34:50 That's like mass censorship .. Nov 27 18:34:55 Joy Nov 27 18:35:03 s/like// Nov 27 18:35:14 alterego: is such a thing really wanted? by normal persons? :) Nov 27 18:35:20 s/persons/people Nov 27 18:35:22 One of those steps to becoming a dictatorship. Nov 27 18:35:36 javispedro: yes, quite a few people have been asking for the functionality. Nov 27 18:36:05 Like Corsac just did .. Nov 27 18:37:02 I'm waiting for the USA brain-drain Nov 27 18:37:16 Engineers, scientists, doctors packing their bags and leaving :) Nov 27 18:37:46 Meh, most of the clever people are in England anyway :P Nov 27 18:38:01 It's already on. 18 month waiting lines at the US Consolute in London Nov 27 18:38:04 Don't worry. Nov 27 18:38:06 ate Nov 27 18:38:29 We've got the precise same law that's just gone onto the statute books here. Nov 27 18:38:41 To allow government to randomly turn off websites. Nov 27 18:41:05 i wish mer lived on :( Nov 27 18:41:06 sieg heil **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 27 18:44:20 2010 Nov 27 18:52:49 Well, that's annoying. Nov 27 18:56:53 * javispedro gives up Nov 27 18:57:00 no way to troll on IRC with so many netsplits! Nov 27 18:57:25 hi Nov 27 18:57:37 Heh Nov 27 19:14:53 the new bugzilla is splendid https://bugs.maemo.org/ Nov 27 19:15:18 indeed :) Nov 27 19:15:41 if only the 3 icons were centered Nov 27 19:15:55 WONTFIXes look fully TRUE COLOR now! Nov 27 19:16:13 Naah, good job! Nov 27 19:19:27 javispedro, weirds me out. Nov 27 19:29:41 the paint job is quite nice Nov 27 19:33:10 titan should update his kernel Nov 27 19:33:14 it needs more modules for USB hostmode Nov 27 19:38:34 javispedro, header needs massaging, though. Nov 27 19:39:00 I've got a 2.2 template around somewhere. . . . Nov 27 19:39:17 background colors seem to "disagree" Nov 27 19:40:59 titan? Nov 27 19:43:01 MohammadAG: maybe there should be some supplementary driver pkgs for powerkernel? Nov 27 19:43:09 talk about open source! http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/27/symbian-foundation-axing-websites-on-december-17th-source-repos/ Nov 27 19:43:33 who gives a flying F***? Nov 27 19:45:03 MohammadAG: I think I can hear RST38h laugther from here Nov 27 19:45:36 Sigh. Nov 27 19:45:51 WTF is up with internets ? Nov 27 19:46:36 DocScrutinizer, it's freenode Nov 27 19:46:56 :-S Nov 27 19:47:07 LOL at the image Engadget selected Nov 27 19:47:11 383 users, tzzzz Nov 27 19:47:16 "Symbian Foundation: Things are developing nicely" Nov 27 19:49:10 So, Symbian officially disappears from the world of the living and all we get are cold silence and warm netsplits? Nov 27 19:49:12 thank god! Nov 27 19:50:01 * DocScrutinizer shrugs on sybian at large Nov 27 19:51:53 It does have a noise problem at high settings. Nov 27 19:51:56 DocScrutinizer: sybian? Nov 27 19:52:13 SpeedEvil: I C WHUT U DID THAR Nov 27 19:52:15 seems parts of Nokia are about to learn their lesson that FOSS doesn't mean you simply disclose the sources and reduce your own investment of manpower to 20% of the initial effort Nov 27 19:52:52 * RST38h also thanks the Tentacled One,but warily Nov 27 19:52:52 then open a bugzilla and mark everything as WONTFIX! Nov 27 19:53:34 * MohammadAG waves goodbye to Symbian Nov 27 19:54:16 You do all understand that Nokia only offers Symbian based smartphones at the moment? Nov 27 19:54:18 kerio: yep sybian - my fav typo on that topic Nov 27 19:54:23 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWbLOFGSEDo&feature=player_embedded#at=139 Nov 27 19:54:30 hardest kinect game ever Nov 27 19:54:31 And so far has not disclosed any specific plans to release non-Symbian devices? Nov 27 19:54:52 RST38h: they don't sell n900 anymore Nov 27 19:54:55 ? Nov 27 19:55:03 jacekowski: no surprises there =) Nov 27 19:55:14 n900 is effectively end-of-lifed afaik Nov 27 19:55:43 :( Nov 27 19:55:51 N900 has no more active development support from Nokia aiui Nov 27 19:56:27 Heh, like it needs it from Nokia. Nov 27 19:56:34 Interesting Nov 27 19:56:38 it needs SPECS from nokia Nov 27 19:56:44 N900 is still for sale from nokia.co.uk Nov 27 19:56:48 it needs WORK from Nokia Nov 27 19:56:49 but with a 2 year warranty Nov 27 19:56:58 HAHA Nov 27 19:57:05 waranty on what though? Nov 27 19:57:14 Everything but the USB port Nov 27 19:57:16 RST38h, well, they still do make and sell n900s? Nov 27 19:57:31 Arkenoi: they still sellsome n900s, not sure if they are making them Nov 27 19:57:34 yes Nov 27 19:57:44 I saw 2104, and 2204 hardware revisions today Nov 27 19:57:45 I guess they'll make and sell as long as users buy Nov 27 19:57:49 price is going down rapidly Nov 27 19:57:50 mine is a 2101 Nov 27 19:57:52 at least here Nov 27 19:57:55 there were hardware refreshes apparently Nov 27 19:58:32 apparently, fcam-drivers fails on 2104 (not tested 2204 yet) Nov 27 19:58:46 cna't be anything significant? (hw refreshes) Nov 27 19:58:57 where is the hardware revision? Nov 27 19:59:03 OOOH! Nov 27 19:59:05 well, drivers failing on one revision is significant I'd say Nov 27 19:59:10 yep Nov 27 19:59:16 * javispedro would have thought only mechanical fixes or the like Nov 27 19:59:21 MEGA significant Nov 27 20:00:02 * SpeedEvil ponders idly that latest revision hostmode 'just works. Nov 27 20:00:13 * javispedro laughs at the entire docstogo situation Nov 27 20:00:16 More logical would be to nuke the debug mode driver Nov 27 20:00:35 LED driver Nov 27 20:00:44 http://acmwallet.com/ Nov 27 20:00:50 that's disturbing Nov 27 20:00:57 normal website designed for iphones only Nov 27 20:00:58 RST38h, softupd --local & flasher -i && killall softupd Nov 27 20:01:01 javispedro: what about dtg? Nov 27 20:01:06 jacekowski: wut? Nov 27 20:01:17 * DocScrutinizer wonders if they designed out some of the "vulnerabilities" of their hw, as in "fuckup hostmode for good now", "change bootloader scheme to something that's solidly locked ootb" etc Nov 27 20:01:25 Mohammad: Sounds pretty scary Nov 27 20:01:29 RST38h: read tmo? basically, they've been promising a paid version that is up to the feature level of the free version since forever Nov 27 20:01:30 also, keyboard LEDs failed on a 2104 when kernel-power was installed Nov 27 20:01:45 RST38h: a dataviz employee periodically telling everyone "to wait a little bit" with extreme precision Nov 27 20:01:48 all lp2xxxx(whatever) LEDs failed Nov 27 20:02:01 the battery had to be pulled out Nov 27 20:02:15 RST38h, -i is info Nov 27 20:02:26 MohammadAG: so you can also check it from host? Nov 27 20:02:27 SpeedEvil: ??? debug mode driver, LED driver? Nov 27 20:02:30 softupd is just to do it on device Nov 27 20:02:40 javispedro: they do not have the free version afaik only paid one Nov 27 20:02:48 DocScrutinizer: I meant - a logical low-risk rev would be to pull the debug mode LED driver Nov 27 20:02:50 RST38h, MohammadAG: flasher-3.5 on host also has "-i" mode Nov 27 20:02:59 javispedro, I know :) Nov 27 20:03:09 flasher = flasher-3.5 Nov 27 20:03:13 but compiled for ARM Nov 27 20:03:21 that's why you can flash an N900 from an N900 Nov 27 20:03:21 and there is revision on sticker Nov 27 20:03:23 under battery Nov 27 20:03:32 or possibly an N8x0 from an N900 Nov 27 20:03:37 MohammadAG: not exactly, I doubt the N900 one uses libusb ;) Nov 27 20:03:40 hmm Nov 27 20:03:42 there isn;t Nov 27 20:03:42 ah Nov 27 20:03:54 MohammadAG: well, don't mind then :) Nov 27 20:04:17 javispedro, I think it does, I got it to show device info from a friend's N900 Nov 27 20:04:18 javispedro: as far as I can tell, the only dtg that exists right now is the onein ovi Nov 27 20:04:27 javispedro: $30, with some editing capabilities, no? Nov 27 20:04:30 RST38h: yes, they killed the better free one Nov 27 20:04:39 though I had to click the enumerate button many times so I don't miss the hold "u" part Nov 27 20:04:56 MohammadAG: as you seem to have contacts that own 2104, could you get a md5sum for LP5523.ko? Nov 27 20:04:59 RST38h: it had no edit features, but was Hildon based, so overall it was: way faster, better integrated with Maemo, and more featurefull. Nov 27 20:05:09 (or at least I remember it said something about the device) Nov 27 20:05:29 javispedro: ah, and the ovi one is qt or what? Nov 27 20:05:37 RST38h: the paid one they believed the Qt hype and decided to rewrite Nov 27 20:05:39 yep Nov 27 20:05:58 DocScrutinizer, same as mine Nov 27 20:06:00 net result is awful. Nov 27 20:06:18 o.O Nov 27 20:06:19 DocScrutinizer, it's the same kernel etc Nov 27 20:06:21 * javispedro actually paid $11 for it, so I guess he should get the pitchforks. Nov 27 20:06:39 DocScrutinizer, two classmates got an N900, third one coming soon :P Nov 27 20:06:53 2104, 2204, not sure about the 3rd Nov 27 20:07:01 i have 2101 Nov 27 20:07:04 javispedro: is there a "solution" to make the original viewer only one work forever? =) Nov 27 20:07:15 jacekowski, same Nov 27 20:07:30 RST38h: I don't think it had any check, so if you still have the packages.... Nov 27 20:08:02 in fact it was able to work alongside the Qt docstogo, but I think I erased it during the 1.2->1.3 reflash Nov 27 20:08:16 javispedro: it only worked for 30 days Nov 27 20:08:17 RST38h: ? Nov 27 20:08:24 MohammadAG: could you check the diffs of lp5523.ko drivers for e.g pr1.0 and current version? To see if the current version is a modified one which we are missing the sources Nov 27 20:08:35 RST38h: maybe, don't exactly remember Nov 27 20:09:02 RST38h: there is a solution Nov 27 20:09:06 DocScrutinizer, hmm, I'll check tomorrow (he's offline atm) Nov 27 20:09:20 MohammadAG: thanks a lot :-) Nov 27 20:09:37 don't thank me, thank the openssh-server I have on his device :) Nov 27 20:09:42 pfft Nov 27 20:09:47 that's evil Nov 27 20:10:10 I'm serously concerned Nokia actually designed out some expensive and some 'vulnerable' chips Nov 27 20:10:21 javispedro, he knows :P Nov 27 20:11:01 * MohammadAG loves his 2101 :) Nov 27 20:11:07 hello Nov 27 20:11:09 probably they noticed bq24150 makes bme basically obsolete, so they decided to get a chip that *needs* bme, and also might not support vboost anymore :-/ Nov 27 20:11:17 Doc: like hardware audio filter? :) Nov 27 20:11:39 DocScrutinizer: that would be too evil also. Nov 27 20:11:44 I prefer to assume incompetence. Nov 27 20:11:46 DocScrutinizer, h-e-n works on his device Nov 27 20:11:53 pffff Nov 27 20:12:02 pffffoooo even Nov 27 20:12:11 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor Nov 27 20:12:15 I've some problem with Conversations applications, all sms are marke as not sended, but my contact receive it, sms list isn't updated, etc.. is there a way to clean sms history ? Nov 27 20:12:30 javispedro, especially in Nokia's case. . . . Nov 27 20:12:42 all other app running good Nov 27 20:12:55 GAN900: hehe Nov 27 20:13:11 MohammadAG: you could try to get a full boot dmesg, and compare Nov 27 20:13:32 sysklogd + reboot should do that Nov 27 20:13:45 Off topic, should I upload mplayer with libdvd support to the repos? Nov 27 20:13:46 not really Nov 27 20:13:49 assuming that the changes are minor, one guess there would be a place in the board.c file where the id gets fetched and something is decided upon that Nov 27 20:13:52 ideally if you could get to serial port Nov 27 20:13:59 same package name Nov 27 20:14:11 don't go on, I don't have a cable Nov 27 20:14:23 MohammadAG: contact maintainer and tell him to enable libdvd (or warn him about what you're going to do) Nov 27 20:15:18 well, folks. I think I should get a life... Nov 27 20:15:20 cya Nov 27 20:15:30 nobody know how to clear Conversation messages ? Nov 27 20:15:36 ynave: flash it Nov 27 20:15:42 lol Nov 27 20:15:46 I can"t Nov 27 20:15:49 don't have usb cable :( Nov 27 20:15:53 cya DocScrutinizer Nov 27 20:16:16 ynave, clear all messages? Nov 27 20:16:21 yes Nov 27 20:16:33 doing it by menu application don't work... Nov 27 20:17:01 nuke some *.db? Nov 27 20:17:17 I receive new messages but they are show in the list.. Nov 27 20:17:19 rm -rf /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger (CLEARS ALL CONVERSATIONS!) Nov 27 20:17:22 where are thos db ? Nov 27 20:17:27 just to throw some noise to chan on leaving Nov 27 20:17:28 MohammadAG: thanks :) Nov 27 20:17:35 do it as user Nov 27 20:17:43 DocScrutinizer, heh, was just checking directories Nov 27 20:17:49 MohammadAG: maybe mv instead rm? Nov 27 20:17:51 ynave, hmm, that might clear phone logs too Nov 27 20:18:02 not a problem Nov 27 20:18:03 ( a suggestion :-P) Nov 27 20:18:34 also, killall -9 rtcom-messaging-ui Nov 27 20:18:38 http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle12-20100706/source/kernel/arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-rx51-camera.c#75 Nov 27 20:18:42 yes, the -9 is needed :/ Nov 27 20:18:47 talks about a system_rev value Nov 27 20:18:55 I tried do restart the phone Nov 27 20:18:59 but nothing better Nov 27 20:19:09 camera voltages are setup differently depending on "system_rev" Nov 27 20:19:09 remove battery during some seconds etc.. Nov 27 20:19:41 ynave, rming them should remove them, for sure Nov 27 20:19:50 just kill the messaging UI afterwards Nov 27 20:19:53 and system_rev comes from bootloader Nov 27 20:19:53 javispedro, interesting Nov 27 20:20:24 MohammadAG: move! not remove! Nov 27 20:20:25 should fcam devs be notified? Nov 27 20:20:42 dunno if fcam bypasses this Nov 27 20:20:45 you can rm any time later, if you found it didn't nuke your phone Nov 27 20:21:35 MohammadAG: I've mv, reboot the phone... I'm trying .. Nov 27 20:22:06 javispedro, fcam shows device or resource busy on /dev/video0 Nov 27 20:22:17 Stock camera shows Operation Failed Nov 27 20:22:23 what? Nov 27 20:22:27 is this a bug? Nov 27 20:22:36 (with fcam-drivers installed) Nov 27 20:22:37 I mean, "stock" app from where? Nov 27 20:22:38 aaa Nov 27 20:23:18 well, EBUSY should be easy enough to debug even with plain printks ;) Nov 27 20:23:20 sorry, freenode lag sucks Nov 27 20:23:32 MohammadAG: seems to be good, many message listed but know when I send it's ok Nov 27 20:23:47 :) Nov 27 20:24:07 MohammadAG: thanks :) Nov 27 20:24:33 yw :) Nov 27 20:24:42 javispedro, how do I read system_rev? Nov 27 20:24:57 from user space? nfi Nov 27 20:25:04 should be in atags Nov 27 20:25:10 * MohammadAG strings /dev/mtd0 Nov 27 20:25:18 those should be readable from uboot also afaiu Nov 27 20:25:45 http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle12-20100706/ident?i=system_rev MEH Nov 27 20:26:01 DocScrutinizer: yeah, nothing of interest save for the cam bit Nov 27 20:26:20 hmm Nov 27 20:26:21 wait a bit Nov 27 20:26:33 the cam bit is not there Nov 27 20:26:34 I wonder how power kernel kbd LEDs can break on 2104 though Nov 27 20:26:50 yep, I'm missing the "referenced in" Nov 27 20:27:02 mxr barfs up again Nov 27 20:27:04 probably mxr not parsing macros Nov 27 20:27:12 heh. Nov 27 20:27:14 it breaks when it's installed Nov 27 20:27:19 need to "grep" Nov 27 20:27:24 if you remove the battery, it works again Nov 27 20:27:43 I tried removing the lp something module and adding it again, only the vibra was registered in dmesg Nov 27 20:27:47 http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle12-20100706/search?string=system_rev&filter=[Ss]ystem_rev Nov 27 20:28:26 interesting Nov 27 20:28:37 "rx51_new_hw_audio" Nov 27 20:29:25 eeeek Nov 27 20:29:30 OMFG Nov 27 20:29:39 note that this might be all pre-release to manufacturing Nov 27 20:29:42 I mean, who knows. Nov 27 20:30:07 where is that anyway? Nov 27 20:30:16 http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle12-20100706/source/kernel/sound/soc/omap/rx51.c#902 Nov 27 20:30:29 interesting crap btw: Nov 27 20:30:29 Nokia-N900:~# strings /dev/mtd0 | grep fuck* Nov 27 20:30:30 error secondary config block too; something is really fucked up Nov 27 20:30:30 Nokia-N900:~# strings /dev/mtd0 | grep USB\ host Nov 27 20:30:30 No USB host detected Nov 27 20:30:41 USB host mode Nov 27 20:30:58 ? Nov 27 20:31:11 "No USB host detected" can be very well be just a log message from nolo :) Nov 27 20:31:20 strings your /dev/mtd0, it has shit about host mode Nov 27 20:31:22 (aka no PC detected to get firmware from) Nov 27 20:32:07 #251 HAHA Nov 27 20:32:08 The actual system rev numbers are all under 2000 that are referred to Nov 27 20:32:11 javispedro, no, it has two USB related messages, one about hosts, and one about USB host mode Nov 27 20:32:20 a kmod to print system_rev would be trivial, if noone finds other way to get it Nov 27 20:32:22 could be related to cal-tool's --usb-host or whatever command Nov 27 20:32:28 MohammadAG: i reported that ages ago Nov 27 20:32:47 MohammadAG: it was present in nolo long time ago Nov 27 20:32:51 jacekowski, I know (cal-tool) Nov 27 20:32:58 I don't know if you mentioned NOLO Nov 27 20:33:03 Nokia-N900-02-8:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo Nov 27 20:33:03 ... Nov 27 20:33:03 Revision : 2101 Nov 27 20:33:03 SpeedEvil, meh, testing builds Nov 27 20:33:05 i did Nov 27 20:33:17 jacekowski, k :) Nov 27 20:34:06 SpeedEvil, is your serial all 0s? Nov 27 20:34:11 yes Nov 27 20:34:14 javispedro: new_hw_audio means the amp etc isn't using dedicated a regulator which needs to get enabled prior to audio-out Nov 27 20:35:22 SpeedEvil is completely right, system_rev is printed by /proc/cpuinfo ( http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle12-20100706/source/kernel/arch/arm/kernel/setup.c#838 ) Nov 27 20:35:35 MohammadAG: hmm, but now as you reminded me about it Nov 27 20:35:38 so there you have, same value as what flasher -i gives I guess. Nov 27 20:35:40 MohammadAG: i just had an idea Nov 27 20:36:10 everybody seems to have serial=000000000000 Nov 27 20:36:19 MohammadAG: i can modify nolo to make it not take that branch and go way where host is detected and see what happens Nov 27 20:37:27 jacekowski: funny idea Nov 27 20:37:58 maybe a relic from n8x0 Nov 27 20:38:10 (seems there's a conspiration to tie me to that friggin computer, esp when I plan to get dinner) Nov 27 20:38:16 there is. Nov 27 20:38:21 how many times i said that n900 nolo isn't anywhere close to n8x0 nolo? Nov 27 20:38:34 3? Nov 27 20:38:49 more like 42 Nov 27 20:38:59 * DocScrutinizer remarks there are at least 3 USB controllers in N900 Nov 27 20:39:18 at least one of them a dedicated hostmode-only Nov 27 20:39:34 iirc Nov 27 20:39:47 i have to make use of that jig at some point Nov 27 20:40:27 but it looks like i'll have to just get rid of everything inside Nov 27 20:42:07 honetly, investigating how TF powerkernel can break at controlling LP5523 (kbd LEDs) on newer hw revisions is a top priority thing Nov 27 20:42:30 i don't have new hw revision Nov 27 20:42:52 exactly. you'd first need to get such a revision. from the on start applying the realted powerkernel patches one by one Nov 27 20:43:02 *then on Nov 27 20:43:07 DocScrutinizer, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65958 Nov 27 20:44:09 not a very useful post, but clearly, my friend's device isn't the only one Nov 27 20:44:36 well, try talking directly via i2c to it Nov 27 20:44:40 and see what happens Nov 27 20:44:41 * javispedro is hungry and unlike DocScrutinizer ( ;) ) he will leave for good Nov 27 20:44:48 cya Nov 27 20:44:50 and then if that's working we know it's kernel that's broken Nov 27 20:45:10 maybe it's matan's patches... Nov 27 20:46:24 btw. i fixed my car Nov 27 20:47:00 and i finally have properly working heating Nov 27 20:47:11 and engine have correct temperature Nov 27 20:47:13 overclocked the device? I keed i keed Nov 27 20:47:26 anyways, kernel-power has two lp related patches Nov 27 20:47:35 MohammadAG: this sounds like fsckng old fcam borkage of indicator light once more. fcam occupies the LP5523 sysnodes for directly messing with ind-LED, and so mce gets "EAGAIN" or sth and segfaults Nov 27 20:47:58 DocScrutinizer, there are NO sysnodes, even after a reboot Nov 27 20:48:08 and fcam doesn't even work on his device :P Nov 27 20:48:09 hmm, segfaulting after EAGAIN is wrong Nov 27 20:48:17 uhuh, where's that documented? Nov 27 20:48:22 MohammadAG: so driver is not registering at all? Nov 27 20:48:46 jacekowski, yes, he only had twl4030 registered new vibra or something Nov 27 20:48:52 sec Nov 27 20:49:03 MohammadAG: that thread you linked above, is a bit thin Nov 27 20:49:09 Registered led device: twl4030:vibrator Nov 27 20:49:20 that's the only register he had in dmesg Nov 27 20:50:17 hm, LP5523 chip is directly powered from battery. If it locks up for whatever reason, you actually need to remove bat Nov 27 20:51:30 anything starting from NOLO over uBoot to powerkernel could mess with LP5523 and make it freeze Nov 27 20:51:52 well, question is it frozen Nov 27 20:51:55 or driver is broken Nov 27 20:52:01 or again, it might be matan's lp5523 patches Nov 27 20:52:13 even a different driver for another chip on same I2C bus could accidentally access LP5523 Nov 27 20:52:27 WUT??? Nov 27 20:52:37 lp5523 patches? W*T*F? Nov 27 20:52:53 there are two patches for lp5523 on kernel-power Nov 27 20:53:00 linky Nov 27 20:53:59 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=kernel-power;a=tree;f=kernel-power-2.6.28/debian/patches;hb=24c2bfeb5e3301e2c3f9f623e2341b547eef973c Nov 27 20:54:10 I honestly wonder what matan has to patch on lp5523 driver (except maybe the idiotic limitations of the original one) Nov 27 20:54:49 he creates another sysnode, dbrightness, which can be written to without worrying about mce Nov 27 20:55:23 blah Nov 27 20:55:39 what a BS Nov 27 20:56:44 who reviewed and signed off this? Nov 27 20:57:51 titan probably Nov 27 20:57:52 MEH, huge alert and nothing serious actually. Nov 27 20:59:54 poor borked useless concept, obviously kicking LP5523 balls. For no good reason. I don't see why we need this, and I don't think *this* is a top priority issue. Titan should keep out that nonsense out of power kernel Nov 27 21:00:21 Matan is a project admin, good luck Nov 27 21:00:27 pff Nov 27 21:00:50 seems we have to go back to own kernel for h-e-n Nov 27 21:01:30 ls Nov 27 21:01:31 maintenance and QA for powerkernel is sub-par even for experimental Nov 27 21:01:32 oops Nov 27 21:03:09 I still completely fail to get the rationale behind dbrightness Nov 27 21:03:49 From what I've heard before, I'd assume using dbrightness makes the driver ignore hte usual brightness settings Nov 27 21:03:59 so the light-sensor based brightness change is inhibited Nov 27 21:04:25 I can fuzz around with brightness as I like, and never bothered about mce other than to maybe stop it so it won't revert my settings there Nov 27 21:04:48 OMFG what a borked concept Nov 27 21:07:39 meh, cya Nov 27 21:14:39 DocScrutinizer: It could be worse Nov 27 21:15:09 DocScrutinizer: they could have instead modified the light sensor driver to allow them to spoof values there to control it indirectly Nov 27 21:23:04 luke-jr__: yeah, probably. Depending on what exactly they planned to do (I'm still not getting it) Nov 27 21:24:50 luke-jr__: or somebody could have had a look at the output of head -n 14 /etc/mce/mce.ini Nov 27 21:29:28 libfilter-brightness-simple.so :-D Nov 27 21:31:41 DocScrutinizer, did you miss me dude? Nov 27 21:31:45 MohammadAG, hey Nov 27 21:32:20 ZogG: you think I did? Nov 27 21:33:11 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 30772 2010-05-11 14:56 libfilter-brightness-simple.so Nov 27 21:34:03 DocScrutinizer sure you did Nov 27 21:34:09 * ZogG hugs DocScrutinizer Nov 27 21:34:17 where have you lost your 51 Nov 27 21:34:57 ZogG: it's my alter ego Nov 27 21:35:09 look, it'sover there Nov 27 21:36:00 DocScrutinizer51, i think DocScrutinizer is the fake one and is trying to get all your glorry Nov 27 21:37:15 hey Nov 27 21:39:31 luke-jr__: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-01-11.log.html#t2008-01-11T21:28:22 Nov 27 21:40:30 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-01-11.log.html#t2008-01-11T21:30:43 Nov 27 21:52:47 guys, what the hell does this mean? http://maemo.org/community/council/state_of_maemo-q32010-2/ Nov 27 21:53:05 RST38h, =( Nov 27 21:53:11 noone likes me and misses me Nov 27 22:11:56 good night Nov 27 22:17:37 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=569115&postcount=170 HMMMPF ""Then you have compatibility [of maemo PR1.3] with apps coming for MeeGo."" (texrat) Nov 27 22:18:17 ZogG: see, nobody kicks you :-D Nov 27 22:18:22 that's a start Nov 27 22:19:14 actually it's weird Nov 27 22:19:23 tbh I'm missing ~150 users right ATM Nov 27 22:19:43 i was trolling here several times and joked not really appropriate, but never got kicked Nov 27 22:20:01 even by crash.... something, where is he btw? Nov 27 22:20:14 :shrug: Nov 27 22:20:23 busy with weekend? Nov 27 22:20:33 which is what I'm in a minute Nov 27 22:20:47 its turkey day weekend in u.s. maybe thats why Nov 27 22:21:15 meh, you have nothing better than pleasuring yourself Nov 27 22:21:28 master bait lets say it like that =) Nov 27 22:21:36 he is german Nov 27 22:21:42 ah Nov 27 22:21:44 and i'm jew Nov 27 22:21:48 * ZogG is scared Nov 27 22:22:33 dont be, only very few germans are still nazis... Nov 27 22:22:57 :) Nov 27 22:23:25 he is one of them Nov 27 22:23:41 he talked to MohammadAG to bomb me =) Nov 27 22:23:53 haha Nov 27 22:33:08 i'm still not kicked or banned Nov 27 22:33:17 what i have to do to get kick here Nov 27 22:33:42 ifeel likejesus here , with ultimate power and no punishment Nov 27 23:18:48 * luke-jr__ thinks BME pulls the battery level out of thin air 90% of the time -.- Nov 27 23:19:03 s/thin air/its ass/ Nov 27 23:19:40 * luke-jr__ doesn't use such vulgar language Nov 27 23:25:24 good morning Nov 27 23:28:15 luke-jr__: nothing is vulgar enough when talking about bme Nov 27 23:50:55 hehe. ACK Nov 27 23:57:52 god I hope I don't get my gfs illness .. Nov 27 23:58:10 omg, what kind of talk is this? Nov 27 23:58:26 no talk Nov 27 23:58:36 No ones said anything in ages :P Nov 27 23:58:53 so, were u talking to urself? Nov 27 23:59:24 Yeah, pretty much :) Nov 28 00:00:26 alterego: She's a zombie? Nov 28 00:00:38 alterego: Or has she contracted lycanthropy. Nov 28 00:01:14 Heh, no think she might have the flu Nov 28 00:01:35 are you afraid of one tiny virus? Nov 28 00:02:02 I just don't want to be ill for a week :) Nov 28 00:02:08 Got stuff to do and such. Nov 28 00:02:49 everibodt does man Nov 28 00:03:08 but we cant avoid certain things Nov 28 00:04:13 Man, you made me forgot the reason why i came here, i`m losing precious seconds now Nov 28 00:04:41 ticktock... ticktock,,, tick... ... tock Nov 28 00:05:26 thats the death clock ticking Nov 28 00:05:57 indead Nov 28 00:07:05 hey, i just remembered Nov 28 00:07:24 alterego: What better way could you show you care than by implementing a video->heartrate program, and graphing her illness. Nov 28 00:07:28 http://www.filedump.net/dumped/895157eafd9129e23114dee7de030cd31753961290084603.pdf Nov 28 00:09:05 that looks way to complicated man Nov 28 00:10:10 Tuco_maria: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmjS37zDbPY Nov 28 00:11:42 those pink floyd guys were on heavy drugs when they composed this song Nov 28 00:11:52 Looks fun, but not something I can be arsed with right now. My priority is Columbus :D Nov 28 00:13:19 columbus died hundreds of years ago, you are kinda late to worry about him... Nov 28 00:17:03 TICTOC! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgZGtKWU-9g&playnext=1&list=QL Nov 28 00:21:00 this is bad music Nov 28 00:24:04 pink floyd bad? oh dear... :) Nov 28 00:24:51 he's saying that as he's about to lose SECONDS, oh so precious SECONDS Nov 28 00:25:28 feeling the sun to come up behind him again ;-D Nov 28 00:26:28 i prefer justin, thats all Nov 28 00:28:46 who? Nov 28 00:28:52 justin what? Nov 28 00:30:08 you know, the one and only justin... Nov 28 00:30:20 Timeberlake? Nov 28 00:30:42 nah, this one is overrated Nov 28 00:30:43 Barnes? Nov 28 00:30:58 dont even know tge guy Nov 28 00:31:12 Beaver? Nov 28 00:31:24 blah, even worse Nov 28 00:31:35 phew Nov 28 00:31:43 Justin Meldal-Johnsen? Nov 28 00:31:47 Justin Gray? Nov 28 00:31:56 Just Albers? Nov 28 00:32:02 you are all wrong guys Nov 28 00:32:21 who are you talking about then? Nov 28 00:32:32 his second name begins with B Nov 28 00:32:40 ends with R Nov 28 00:32:41 Ah, so it is Barnes Nov 28 00:32:48 or not Nov 28 00:33:46 I cant believe that there are people that dont like him Nov 28 00:33:52 anyway, I don't think this channel cares for your crappy musical tastes, Tuco_maria Nov 28 00:34:28 but i dont like pink floyd! Nov 28 00:36:41 hallo! how to check temp by console? Nov 28 00:37:32 temp of what Nov 28 00:37:32 halo is good Nov 28 00:38:25 where is only one senros? Nov 28 00:38:31 of temperature? Nov 28 00:38:38 how i know Nov 28 00:38:52 cat `find /sys -name temp1*` Nov 28 00:38:57 thanks! Nov 28 00:39:02 and it's broken by design Nov 28 00:39:12 ah :) Nov 28 00:39:20 i see -1c Nov 28 00:39:23 celsius Nov 28 00:41:26 hmm, don't find any file :/ Nov 28 00:42:10 check the ` Nov 28 00:42:16 it's not a ' Nov 28 00:42:23 it's a ` (from the FN + CTRL menu) Nov 28 00:43:35 * fck copy paste Nov 28 00:43:59 # cat `find /sys -name temp1* Nov 28 00:44:18 > Nov 28 00:46:55 you missed the trailing ` Nov 28 00:47:15 so hit ^c and try again Nov 28 00:52:03 cat /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/temp is it correct? Nov 28 00:52:03 i have powa kernel Nov 28 00:52:11 also loded battery Nov 28 00:52:25 wtf.... Nov 28 00:52:38 ircops... Nov 28 00:52:45 what? Nov 28 00:52:56 hey DocScrutinizer Nov 28 00:53:07 irc server Nov 28 00:53:12 net split Nov 28 00:53:14 you told me to notify it it happened Nov 28 00:53:20 now it did Nov 28 00:53:39 i joined ##overflow due to your massjoin limit Nov 28 00:53:50 FYI Nov 28 00:53:51 wazzup? Nov 28 00:54:14 aah Nov 28 00:54:16 k Nov 28 00:54:23 after modprobe everything good Nov 28 00:54:25 Just fine, but you told me to say if it happened Nov 28 00:54:27 lotsa netsplits today Nov 28 00:54:38 .oO(stupid kids ): Nov 28 00:58:36 uhh which plugins are considered "main plugins" for mbarcode Nov 28 01:00:25 FIQ|n900: thanks for reporting Nov 28 01:00:59 k Nov 28 01:01:19 np Nov 28 01:09:21 sigh Nov 28 01:09:37 it's 3AM, and I need to start a song at full volume Nov 28 01:15:22 same here Nov 28 01:15:31 3am :/ Nov 28 01:32:02 jacekowski: you know of anybody working on porting chromium 7 to maemo? Nov 28 01:32:38 nope Nov 28 01:33:03 why 7? Nov 28 01:33:07 how much effort was the 5 port? Nov 28 01:33:13 9 is already released Nov 28 01:33:16 newer, better? Nov 28 01:33:18 oh? Nov 28 01:33:20 what? Nov 28 01:33:26 fine, 9 then :) Nov 28 01:33:31 Preview release9.0.595.0 (November 25, 2010; 1 day ago) [+/−] Nov 28 01:33:44 clearly my ubuntu is behind Nov 28 01:34:03 is anybody using it Nov 28 01:34:07 i mean chromium on maemo? Nov 28 01:34:16 i dunno Nov 28 01:34:19 how did it work? Nov 28 01:34:35 microb crashes sometimes Nov 28 01:34:39 and feels slow Nov 28 01:35:15 chromium pretty much same Nov 28 01:35:27 oh, sad Nov 28 01:35:29 :) Nov 28 01:35:46 if modest wasn't such a maze source code... Nov 28 01:39:13 what are you trying to do with it? Nov 28 01:41:33 anybody like this effect? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGg-uhy6t3E made it a few weeks ago Nov 28 01:42:56 jacekowski: i'd like to get sent mail stored on my imap Nov 28 01:43:30 i'm using zimbra myself Nov 28 01:43:39 and doing it over activesync Nov 28 01:43:49 but ability to exclude some folder would be nice Nov 28 01:44:39 hmm, why some youtube videos have html5 player as chosen Nov 28 01:44:44 and some still use flash player Nov 28 01:45:03 exclude? Nov 28 01:45:23 yeah Nov 28 01:45:28 like Spam Nov 28 01:45:28 my issue is that if i send a mail, the sent mail stays on my n900 Nov 28 01:45:39 but doesn't get stored on imap Nov 28 01:45:50 yeah, that's correct Nov 28 01:45:51 ish Nov 28 01:47:02 i tried tracking down in the code where i could hook that up Nov 28 01:47:08 but that is a callback maze Nov 28 01:47:17 C is clearly the wrong language for that Nov 28 01:47:41 error: pathspec 'master' did not match any file(s) known to git. <- wtf does this mean Nov 28 01:48:41 C is the best language for that Nov 28 01:48:49 it's programmer that is a problem Nov 28 01:48:54 not language Nov 28 01:49:11 well i don't agree on the language Nov 28 01:49:23 MohammadAG: what repo? Nov 28 01:49:25 but i agree that a good programmer can make it look better than a bad programmer Nov 28 01:49:42 MohammadAG: you used the refspec master where it expected a pathspec Nov 28 01:49:47 nevermind Nov 28 01:49:49 fixed it Nov 28 01:51:34 Pretty awesome. get a N900 with maemo, and you can run android and WebOS stuff too if you want Nov 28 01:51:54 just gotta get that translation layer Nov 28 01:52:16 there is an android translation layer? Nov 28 01:52:35 well. yes, in the future :) Nov 28 01:52:46 how far? Nov 28 01:53:06 dunno let's search Nov 28 01:53:40 http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/05/canonical-developers-aim-to-make-android-apps-run-on-ubuntu.ars Nov 28 01:54:29 2009 eh Nov 28 01:56:01 some cool people work there Nov 28 01:57:31 in the past? Nov 28 01:58:05 well they have to make money to eat too Nov 28 01:58:15 dunno much about that project Nov 28 01:58:16 they make money in the past? Nov 28 02:00:22 pupnik: \o/ Nov 28 02:01:06 "Growing concerns about Android's lack of transparency and non-inclusive governance model, diverging kernel, insular userspace stack, and general lack of conduciveness to running existing Linux software are creating an incentive for hardware companies to evaluate other options" Nov 28 02:01:11 http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/11/meego-conference-momentum-intact-despite-lack-of-hardware.ars Nov 28 02:01:26 andoid apps on my ubuntu desktop - a dream comes true (nightmares are dreams too, eren't they?) Nov 28 02:01:40 hahah Nov 28 02:02:30 nothing stopping anyone from making first-class meego/qt apps of course. i just like computers to be _universal_ gonkulators Nov 28 02:04:02 gonkulator? is this curable with peniciline? Nov 28 02:04:11 how dead is the android emulator for meego? Nov 28 02:04:49 is there one? Nov 28 02:05:05 heard it is still born Nov 28 02:06:41 ok, I was pretty impressed when I managed to move that feckin route66 app that came with samsung Omnia winmoob over to M800 winmoob, though aiui they had not exactly same CPU Nov 28 02:07:21 alas it was dongled to the IMEI :-P Nov 28 02:08:44 apps should not have access to things like IMEI, the DN, or any other personal info Nov 28 02:09:14 apps should not be written in dullfuck Nov 28 02:09:31 err dalvik Nov 28 02:11:01 other than that, how'd you design a dialer app when it's not able to react properly to *#06# Nov 28 02:11:03 ? Nov 28 02:11:42 you don't Nov 28 02:11:58 ds3: sounds like a rather silly premise Nov 28 02:12:55 corecode: it looks like new chrome can be easily made to work Nov 28 02:13:02 nice Nov 28 02:13:09 you think there will be any benefit? Nov 28 02:13:14 dunno Nov 28 02:13:22 there has to be a better crossplatform way to do games Nov 28 02:13:24 maybe webgl Nov 28 02:13:49 o.~ Nov 28 02:14:49 DocScrutinizer: well you don't need a fancy widget toolkit ... the old principle of "just give em a framebuffer" still kind of works Nov 28 02:15:02 sure Nov 28 02:15:26 was just wondering if that's related to IMEI, dullvik, or both Nov 28 02:16:04 i don't even want to look at that stuff actually Nov 28 02:17:38 quite obviously you usually won't code games with Qt widgets, or X layered windows. So probably a canvas is just fine, plus a basic generic HID lib Nov 28 02:18:33 opengl is quite portable Nov 28 02:19:12 hmm, I consider opengl your palette and brushes for the canvas Nov 28 02:19:26 yay, finally got around to installing PR1.3 Nov 28 02:19:59 errr, 5h ago I knew exactly why I'm happy I didn't yet Nov 28 02:20:06 now I can't recall Nov 28 02:20:59 your memory is horrible? Nov 28 02:21:18 occasional stack overflows may happen Nov 28 02:21:36 though this is probably due to garbage collection Nov 28 02:23:30 ahh, thats the icon thats missing from the status area Nov 28 02:23:39 why oh why is it not possible to ring the stylus? Nov 28 02:23:42 wtf would PR1.3 change my bluetooth to be off? Nov 28 02:24:07 because it's off by default? Nov 28 02:24:20 it was on before the update was installed Nov 28 02:24:30 then switch it on Nov 28 02:24:47 and now it has reverted to defaults. turn it back on. Nov 28 02:26:12 wonder what the reason for turning it off as part of the update Nov 28 02:26:18 iirc, PR1.2 update didnt Nov 28 02:27:01 hmmpff Nov 28 02:27:31 it's just for lulz Nov 28 02:27:46 DocScrutinizer: it is a matter of trust and app author have continously violated that trust Nov 28 02:28:51 i hope i've put enough antifreeze in my car Nov 28 02:28:54 ok, back to hydraulics then Nov 28 02:31:00 I lost my trust into dentists. They all should get snatched away all their drill things, and use just wax and magic spells Nov 28 02:31:56 hahah Nov 28 02:32:15 probably best they are forbidden to approach my teeth closer than 100 yards Nov 28 02:33:07 nothing wrong with drills. it's the pliers you gotta watch out for. Nov 28 02:33:49 yeah, I knew you'd say that - the man that wants to ring stylii :-P Nov 28 02:34:11 sounds like genital piercing Nov 28 02:34:39 what does? Nov 28 02:34:49 X-P Nov 28 02:35:07 why oh why is it not possible to ring the stylus? Nov 28 02:35:26 it turned up Nov 28 02:35:39 the ring? Nov 28 02:35:51 the n900 stylus Nov 28 02:36:02 usually, lost tech can be made to beep Nov 28 02:36:10 somehow Nov 28 02:37:08 in fact the stylus has enough room to inplant a passive transponder Nov 28 02:37:46 usually build from 2 pieces of wire and a tunnel diaode Nov 28 02:37:49 diode Nov 28 02:38:28 they atached those things to butterflies and followed them in almost 100m distance Nov 28 02:38:42 wow Nov 28 02:38:50 basically, something a bit like rfid? Nov 28 02:38:50 G2 is a pretty nice phone Nov 28 02:39:02 yep, very basic rfid Nov 28 02:39:11 now, how would you then use the n900 to detect it? Nov 28 02:39:21 hmm, difficult Nov 28 02:39:37 hi Nov 28 02:39:46 can it measure bluetooth or wifi signal strength even if the signal is meaningless? Nov 28 02:40:06 meh, better pierce it and pull a ring thru the hole :-P Nov 28 02:40:19 trying to make the 2G/3G switch applet to work Nov 28 02:40:39 BCMM: nope Nov 28 02:40:42 after installing other applets it stopped working Nov 28 02:40:51 blackthorne: where's the problem? Nov 28 02:41:15 tried to reinstall but it doesnt work anymore Nov 28 02:41:22 hmm Nov 28 02:41:32 its really important to me that applet Nov 28 02:41:51 DocScrutinizer: can it recieve and broadcast fm at the same time? Nov 28 02:41:59 BCMM: yes Nov 28 02:42:33 that'd actually be a possibility, if only the TX was 1E9 strnger Nov 28 02:42:33 DocScrutinizer: well, apart from the way it would drown the transponder out, you could do something like that Nov 28 02:42:42 haha Nov 28 02:43:44 i'm a physics student; 10^9 is a smallish factor to be out by Nov 28 02:44:40 we'd be in a sane watt range then Nov 28 02:44:48 not nW Nov 28 02:45:41 hallo all Nov 28 02:45:52 hallo one Nov 28 02:48:24 * DocScrutinizer stares at the sylus, at the device, notices microphone being very close to the stylus' mini empty volume in 'head', and ponders... Nov 28 02:50:00 * DocScrutinizer wonders if a sweep freq response plot from builtin speaker to builtin mic would differ significantly with vs without stylus inserted Nov 28 02:50:16 heh Nov 28 02:52:45 use it as a sensor and detect when the user has the stylus out? Nov 28 02:53:01 if you could build a hollow stylus, with that apperture in head, it would kinda act lke an organ pipe and cause a noticable resonance at a certain frequency Nov 28 02:53:51 johnx: that's been the work thesis Nov 28 02:54:31 mainly useful for announching: "User: you have just lost your stylus somewhere!" Nov 28 02:54:50 alas I think it could get unbearably annoying to have these audio sweeps every few seconds :-P Nov 28 02:55:17 you could one-up the stupidness of fm transmission Nov 28 02:55:57 the fm transmitter is one of my favorite features :) Nov 28 02:55:58 "your app doesn't work with headphones plugged in? well, mine requires that you remove the stylus!" Nov 28 02:56:12 aaah, I see what you mean Nov 28 02:56:32 interesting, even when overridden the FM transmitter really doesn't work all that well while charging Nov 28 02:56:40 then - otoh - the stylus is creating a quite unique sound and acceleration pattern on both pull-out and insert Nov 28 02:57:47 actually, the one good use would be activating the cursor in microb when the stylus is out Nov 28 02:59:04 umm, what's wrong with an 'alarm' when stylus isn't in place when screen blanks? Nov 28 02:59:31 or walking /stow-away is detected Nov 28 02:59:34 or whatever **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Nov 28 02:59:57 2010