**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 28 02:59:58 2010 Nov 28 03:00:04 this request has been rised several times now Nov 28 03:00:28 "don't forget your stylus" remnder app Nov 28 03:01:12 can somebody tell me the dbus command which get a certain window to the foreground in maemo? (if there is one) Nov 28 03:01:29 I've been even asked to look for good places to retrofit a switch detecting the stylus, when I did the "N900 explosion" Nov 28 03:01:59 explosion? Nov 28 03:02:33 mikki-kun: there is one for modified hildon desktop, not sure about stock Nov 28 03:02:37 call it slaughter Nov 28 03:02:41 mikki-kun, I think you can tell a specific application to raise maybe. why not do this: run the app you want, put it in the background, start dbus-monitor, then open the app menu and tap the app you want to raise to the forground. at some point in there you'll probably see the dbus message needed Nov 28 03:03:25 johnx: how do i monitor dbus events? and besides, i am way too lazy to stand up now, go two meters to my bed and then pick it up Nov 28 03:03:43 mdbus2 -l Nov 28 03:03:53 i am currently speaking via skype with a buddy and that window isn't raised and it rings every single second i get a message or send a message Nov 28 03:04:11 mikki-kun, dbus-monitor. and I'm too lazy to do your googling for you Nov 28 03:04:27 or mdbus Nov 28 03:04:38 mdbus2 actually Nov 28 03:04:47 hm, is there already a dbus monitor installed? Nov 28 03:04:48 DocScrutinizer, does mdbus2 do a better job than dbus-monitor? Nov 28 03:04:59 depends on your preferences Nov 28 03:05:09 mikki-kun, probably not Nov 28 03:05:32 dbus-monitor is installed by default afaik Nov 28 03:05:35 mikki-kun: http://wiki.maemo.org/Modified_Hildon_Desktop Nov 28 03:05:38 mdbus2 is not Nov 28 03:05:40 if i input md and then double-tap as root the only thing i might thing of a dbus-related software is mdu Nov 28 03:05:56 BCMM: thanks :) Nov 28 03:05:59 mikki-kun: if it's a feature of that, it probably isn't available in the stock version Nov 28 03:06:41 search page for activate_window Nov 28 03:08:48 i see it in the bottom and thanks for it, i didn't knew so far of ctrl+shift+n and +h Nov 28 03:10:54 mikki-kun: +h has never worked here, eith stock or modified hildon-desktop Nov 28 03:11:22 ohhhh, lol? Nov 28 03:11:51 what's it supposed to do? does it need a gconf activation? Nov 28 03:13:03 it's supposed to take you to the home screen Nov 28 03:13:09 which is a useful thing Nov 28 03:13:39 but it doesn't do as it seems Nov 28 03:14:45 "gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/activate_window_time -t int 0" <--- what is wrong with this command? Nov 28 03:15:49 is does basically nothing when executed as user Nov 28 03:16:19 sudo is being silent as a dead person as well Nov 28 03:16:48 mikki-kun, what do you think it's supposed to do? Nov 28 03:16:52 what should it say anyway? Nov 28 03:17:12 it shouldn't print anything unless there's an error if it's a "good" Unix command Nov 28 03:17:14 Work! Nov 28 03:17:34 BCMM: mikki-kun: you're really informed about how to configure mhd ? Nov 28 03:18:15 ? Nov 28 03:18:46 mikki-kun: is that the command it says needs to be run with the task manager open? Nov 28 03:19:16 DocScrutinizer: i didn't claim to be well-informed; i don't quite understand Nov 28 03:19:42 hey how do I completly uninstall imhere Nov 28 03:19:55 I need to change the email address and I have no idea how to change that Nov 28 03:19:59 /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/preset_shift_ctrl Nov 28 03:20:01 If the value of this key is true, ctrl-shift-x opens an xterm, ctrl-shift-p saves an image of the screen, ctrl-shift-n toggles composite mode and ctrl-shift-h jumps to home screen. Nov 28 03:20:06 http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html Nov 28 03:20:28 johnx: well, there are actually some commands in unix which are not following this rule Nov 28 03:20:46 and i know commands are not supposed to print out anything unless told to Nov 28 03:21:31 mikki-kun, right, so you set a key in gconf. looks like you might have been trying to turn off a keybinding or something? Nov 28 03:21:44 A few gconf keys affect the operation of hildon-desktop (change value of keys with the terminal command gconftool-2 -s -t , where is int for integer values and bool for true/false values): Nov 28 03:21:46 DocScrutinizer: if that command was wrong, may you tell me in which sense it is wrong? i am not quiet getting the idea behind dbus so far Nov 28 03:22:08 johnx: i was trying to switch to a window via command prompt Nov 28 03:22:14 mikki-kun: what has gconftool to do with dbus? Nov 28 03:22:47 mikki-kun: you're setting the key /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/activate_window_time to integer value 0 Nov 28 03:22:56 gconf holds configuration stuff. Based just on the name of the "thing" you set in gconf, it looks like you might have disabled some kybinding or something Nov 28 03:23:08 to raise a window, the command will probably be dbus-send Nov 28 03:23:18 "A d-bus signal activate_window with an int parameter n, for activating the nth window (in the order displayed in the task navigator) - only call this when task navigator is displayed or activating a full screen window. " <--- i thought this might send the appropriate dbus-signal Nov 28 03:23:30 but the command to raise a window will be different depending on what app it is, and I'm not doing your googling for you Nov 28 03:24:20 mikki-kun: read the page about mhd I gave the link above Nov 28 03:25:02 no one here usese imhere? Nov 28 03:25:17 **uses Nov 28 03:26:07 DocScrutinizer: *reading* Nov 28 03:26:10 obviously a `gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/preset_shift_ctrl -t bool true` should activate ctrl-shift-h in mhd Nov 28 03:27:13 DocScrutinizer: the link seems to take too long to response... Nov 28 03:27:18 can't connect there Nov 28 03:27:24 ehh Nov 28 03:27:41 ? Nov 28 03:27:44 wfm Nov 28 03:27:52 http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html <--- doesn't load Nov 28 03:28:18 load in 0.3s here Nov 28 03:28:56 ping dies in an instant on it Nov 28 03:29:12 who cares about ping? Nov 28 03:29:27 i just use it to check whether something is online or not?! Nov 28 03:30:06 and it is quite efficient and doesn't need me to start my browser and thinking of "is it just rendering issues or what is wrong?" Nov 28 03:30:31 hey fine, so if ping "dies in an instant" that means it responds to ICMP ping with NAK or sth :-P Nov 28 03:30:31 a huuuge number of websites don't answer ICMP echo requests (aka ping) Nov 28 03:30:52 better to telnet to 80 Nov 28 03:31:06 still with xulrunner it does not load Nov 28 03:31:35 hell, wtf is xulrunner? can't you use a BROWSER? Nov 28 03:31:57 DocScrutinizer: firefox _uses_ xulrunner Nov 28 03:32:14 :shrug: Nov 28 03:32:32 times out for me too, FWIW Nov 28 03:32:35 and i guess conkeror wouldn't ring a bell for you, am i right? Nov 28 03:33:06 heavily tweaked version firefox to be used emacs-like Nov 28 03:33:51 >>It's not just you! http://my.arava.co.il looks down from here.<< Nov 28 03:34:05 http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html Nov 28 03:34:28 so the link you posted seems really down Nov 28 03:34:37 which is funny. that site just told me it was just me :) Nov 28 03:35:21 http://paste.debian.net/100926/ Nov 28 03:35:23 DocScrutinizer: maybe clear your browsing cache and then try again Nov 28 03:35:39 oops Nov 28 03:36:37 http://paste.debian.net/100927/ Nov 28 03:37:35 can't connect, will show you what i get in a moment Nov 28 03:37:54 http://paste.debian.net/100928/ Nov 28 03:38:17 mikki-kun: I can't help you, no matter what you get Nov 28 03:38:50 http://pastebin.com/G6dsSAA2 Nov 28 03:39:00 just to prove i cannot access the link you posted Nov 28 03:39:06 I suggest a traceroute to http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html Nov 28 03:40:05 uhhhh, that seems like the same page BCMM showed me Nov 28 03:40:43 no, that's the first link on the page i showed you :) Nov 28 03:41:06 also, it's down from here Nov 28 03:42:10 [2010-11-27 20:37:51] WTF is up with internets ? Nov 28 03:42:49 BCMM: take a look at the commands which seem to be exactly the same ones as on the page you posted Nov 28 03:43:13 DocScrutinizer: tell us, you are the one who can reach where nobody else can Nov 28 03:43:16 http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:H848v8EfF_UJ:my.svgalib.org/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html+"modified-hildon-desktop+is+a+package+of+a+modified+version+of+hildon+desktop+with+enhanced+functionality."&cd=1&hl=de&ct=clnk&gl=de Nov 28 03:44:04 ~debian mikki-kun Nov 28 03:44:05 * infobot tells mikki-kun to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! Nov 28 03:44:15 DocScrutinizer: http://wiki.maemo.org/Modified_Hildon_Desktop Nov 28 03:44:39 do they look the same? Nov 28 03:44:55 well, I'm not really interested to do a diff between matan's original doc page and the wiki Nov 28 03:45:16 mikki-kun: look at google cache as given by link above Nov 28 03:45:42 i so damn did, and where does it state the dbus-send stuff?! Nov 28 03:47:54 under "Non-configurable changes:" Nov 28 03:49:33 so yeah, i am now there, would you please kindly explain what i did wrong with gconftool? Nov 28 03:49:51 i still can't get past that as i assume it can be done with gconftool Nov 28 03:51:31 gconftool is to set configurations, and you did nothing wrong, except you seem to have used a command that isn't supposed to do what you intended to do Nov 28 03:52:15 uhhhh... Nov 28 03:52:31 [2010-11-28 04:14:45] mikki-kun: you're setting the key /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/activate_window_time to integer value 0 Nov 28 03:52:36 [2010-11-28 04:14:12] mikki-kun: what has gconftool to do with dbus? Nov 28 03:52:53 I guess you meant dbus-send foo bar boo Nov 28 03:53:01 or maybe not Nov 28 03:53:08 no idea what you planned to do Nov 28 03:53:08 i just want to switch windows via xterm Nov 28 03:53:23 after ssh'ing into n900 from my main pc Nov 28 03:53:29 *my Nov 28 03:53:38 man, i seem to miss a couple of words in my sentences today Nov 28 03:53:41 that's dbus-send then Nov 28 03:54:45 look at http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS to get an idea Nov 28 03:55:19 alas matan's page has no proper instructions on the details of dbus msg/signal you need to send Nov 28 03:55:29 neither an example Nov 28 03:56:28 hmm, wiki page neither (seems it's a copy of matan's site) Nov 28 03:58:05 hm, with dbus-send, how would i implement using "int -1"? Nov 28 03:58:18 i can't seem to understand it Nov 28 03:59:05 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-task-switcher looks almost as what you need. just modify name of signal and parameters Nov 28 03:59:09 I'd guess Nov 28 03:59:43 it brings me back to the task switcher, but looking at matans usage i need to also call and 'int' of value 'n' Nov 28 04:00:04 "A d-bus signal activate_window_time with an int parameter n, for activating the nth window (in order of last activation time). 0 is oldest. Use negative numbers for reverse order: -1 is newest. Same warning as in previous signal." Nov 28 04:00:56 i tried now combinations of "int:-1" "-1" "integer:-1" Nov 28 04:01:08 uint32: Nov 28 04:01:18 but it tells me unknown type: "int" Nov 28 04:01:49 or maybe int32: Nov 28 04:06:50 thanks Nov 28 04:13:31 did it work? Nov 28 04:15:28 also, was that what you actually needed? Seems a bit unspecified to me, regarding "least recently used / oldest window" etc Nov 28 04:17:24 aiui if you want to get a particular app to front, it usually should work to try and start that app via http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-launch-application, as this should switch a screen of an already running app to foeground Nov 28 04:17:40 - mere speculation, not tested here Nov 28 04:17:51 mikki-kun: ^^^ Nov 28 04:18:42 damn G2 is nice :) i love the qwerty Nov 28 04:18:47 glad htc kept it Nov 28 04:18:48 i tried some dbus commands to get familiar with them, but with the switching it does't seem to work ;/ Nov 28 04:19:06 i gotta look up the name of the apps i guess Nov 28 04:19:27 kind of not really easy then this use of the commands i gotta remind me of the command Nov 28 04:19:43 is there some sort of patch to get the oskb in maemo to auto close and hit enter when you press ener? Nov 28 04:19:46 enter on it Nov 28 04:20:04 using it for IM and txting sucks Nov 28 04:20:27 you have to type then close it by pressing above it.. then hit send Nov 28 04:26:46 hmm that's kinda expected as the vkbd is supposed to pop up whenever ther focus/cursor is set to a text input field. So if it would close, there's not a natural way to open it up again. This doesn't explain though why the IM app doesn't take for sending the typed text Nov 28 04:28:06 well, in xterm vkbd works like you want it to Nov 28 04:30:31 I realized even on desktop irc client I can c&p returns from clipboard. So seems these text input boxes handle real key press different to pasting a 0x0A Nov 28 04:31:19 e.g for xchat that's pretty obvious as yu can change key mappings in presets Nov 28 04:32:11 so probably reading raw keycodes from keyboard is a bit different to entering text via a vkbd Nov 28 04:32:59 vkbd obviously works kinda like a clipboard buffer Nov 28 04:34:32 and pasting a CR or NL char to a text input box is different for that text input box to actually hitting the hw-key Nov 28 04:35:15 let's just call it a bug Nov 28 04:35:45 and argue about which component to file it against Nov 28 05:02:12 yeah Nov 28 05:02:26 it is a pretty irritating thing Nov 28 05:02:33 makes using the vkb useless Nov 28 05:02:46 as it is faster to just flip open the hw kb Nov 28 05:02:58 insead of taking the extra steps Nov 28 05:03:15 enter for im should close and send Nov 28 05:03:20 as well as txts Nov 28 05:03:41 but filing a bug is probably useless nowadays :) Nov 28 05:04:24 plus... judging by how bug requests were handled before.. even if maemo were still oficially supported... filing a bug would be useless Nov 28 05:49:06 Macer, the virtual keyboard is useless when you have the hardware keyboard anyway IMO Nov 28 06:26:38 when I make calls with skype, it's not clear... is there something wrong with pulseaudio on my phone? Nov 28 06:27:20 how can I fix it pulseaudio? is there a way to make skype calls clearer? Nov 28 06:28:04 maybe there a program runing on the background interfering with pulseaudio or skype? Nov 28 06:28:43 the other end of the call hears me good, but I dont! Nov 28 06:29:27 does OC makes pulseaudio sluggishwhen calling with skype? Nov 28 06:29:33 because it is! Nov 28 06:29:53 any help appreciated. Nov 28 06:30:53 there is like a hiccups when calling with skype. Nov 28 06:35:21 uh where are themes stored? Nov 28 06:35:52 lolloo: skype calls worked clearly for me on n900 / pr 1.2 Nov 28 06:36:45 /usr/share/themes? myu ? Nov 28 06:38:58 mine is pr1.3 Nov 28 06:40:34 ah thanks Nov 28 06:40:39 I needed the bg for one Nov 28 06:40:46 but it wasnt showing in the editor Nov 28 06:47:56 I don't like skype performance Nov 28 06:48:14 maybe because of custom audio I installed for N900 Nov 28 06:48:19 ? Nov 28 06:48:52 well, I will back after 1 hour Nov 28 06:48:58 see you then! Nov 28 06:49:00 or because of the network? or because of the person you were talking to? or because of something running in the background? Nov 28 06:53:05 i think i have become psychologically dependent on my electric heater Nov 28 06:54:22 (We've replaced pupnik's electric heater with a little orange light inside a plastic case. Let's see if he notices...) Nov 28 07:00:55 oh wtf Nov 28 07:00:59 my cam won't start Nov 28 07:01:04 says operation failed Nov 28 07:01:16 what kind of silly shit is that? Nov 28 07:01:50 blessn900 doesnt start either Nov 28 07:01:51 wtf Nov 28 07:02:43 I had my cam get into a weird state once. I rebooted, it was fixed and it never happened again Nov 28 07:02:48 sure nothing's holding the camera or LED? Nov 28 07:02:57 hm. i will try that in a min Nov 28 07:03:01 no Nov 28 07:03:12 cam led is fine. i am going to try to reboot Nov 28 07:03:17 lsof | grep '/dev/video' Nov 28 07:03:24 it tries to start then closes with operation failed Nov 28 07:04:32 johnx: it is just sitting there Nov 28 07:04:42 give it time Nov 28 07:04:49 nothing Nov 28 07:05:00 * johnx shrugs Nov 28 07:05:01 maybe because i installed the advanced kernel? Nov 28 07:05:02 reboot :) Nov 28 07:05:28 well, a reboot is probably the cheapest thing to try (in terms of time) Nov 28 07:05:29 Nokia-N900:~# lsof | grep '/dev/video' Nov 28 07:05:29 Nokia-N900:~# Nov 28 07:05:34 ok Nov 28 07:22:12 damn Nov 28 07:22:18 rebooting didn't help :( Nov 28 07:22:24 i think it is the adv kernel Nov 28 07:22:26 lame Nov 28 07:23:36 hm Nov 28 07:24:02 but aren't you glad to know that you couldn't have just fixed it by rebooting? :) Nov 28 07:24:12 haha Nov 28 07:24:16 i suppose Nov 28 07:24:20 i kind of wish it did haha Nov 28 07:24:29 now i have to find out what is wrong Nov 28 07:24:36 i don't have a dev/video Nov 28 07:24:53 well, maybe I was wrong about what it was supposed to be called :> Nov 28 07:25:15 what about video0 and video1? Nov 28 07:25:20 I got a candle that sings happy birthday to me :p Nov 28 07:25:36 no dev/video anything Nov 28 07:25:58 that is /dev/video0 (just to be sure) Nov 28 07:26:01 i am trying kernel-power-deinstall Nov 28 07:26:04 hopefully that will do the trick Nov 28 07:27:19 please wait while restoring nokia kernel Nov 28 07:27:27 wtf :) Nov 28 07:27:32 i feel a reflash coming on Nov 28 07:31:57 ok Nov 28 07:32:10 deinstalling the "advanced" kernel did the trick Nov 28 07:32:24 nice Nov 28 07:32:25 guess the power kernel isnt that powerful lol Nov 28 07:32:40 with great power comes ... problems taking photos? Nov 28 07:32:45 yup Nov 28 07:32:51 :) videos too Nov 28 07:33:22 you never know when you need to record police brutalizing someone half to death Nov 28 07:34:47 i had to update to power46 to fix the camera problems Nov 28 07:34:51 on 42 to 45 it wa broken Nov 28 07:34:59 was Nov 28 07:35:18 it works on either 40 or 46 Nov 28 07:42:38 Anyone knows how to set the screenshot of an application that is available in extras-repo? Nov 28 07:50:06 hm Nov 28 08:01:00 DocScrutinizer: i noticed yesterday you gave someone a few links about loading a rescue system temporarily on the n900 - would you mind reposting them for me? Nov 28 08:02:19 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd Nov 28 08:02:28 thanks DocScrutinizer Nov 28 09:18:03 hi guys Nov 28 09:18:58 MohammadAG: ping Nov 28 09:20:41 DocScrutinizer: ping Nov 28 09:20:59 hmm Nov 28 09:21:08 hi Doc :) Nov 28 09:21:16 one hand 4 fingers between paper Nov 28 09:21:17 there is something I wanted to ask Nov 28 09:21:29 ouch Nov 28 09:22:04 why is it that we have to recompile drivers for every version of the Linux kernel? Nov 28 09:22:23 good question Nov 28 09:23:27 as far as I know, this is why we can't just upgrade the kernel in Maemo to the latest, is that correct? Nov 28 09:23:28 shit!!! Nov 28 09:23:38 Venemo: You should direct your question to Linus Torvalds himself Nov 28 09:23:38 what? Nov 28 09:23:40 LP5523 isn't complete Nov 28 09:24:03 I can't write arbitrary registers from a LED pattern progarm Nov 28 09:24:06 And the right way to ask it would be "Why, after all this time, we still do not have binary driver interface in Linux kernel?" Nov 28 09:24:40 BTW, I can save you and Linus time and answer that question Nov 28 09:24:50 RST38h: okay, go on :) Nov 28 09:25:09 so with the crippled lp5523 driver, I have to opportunities: Use I2Cset to correctly set up some of the registers, or hack the driver - or forget the project Nov 28 09:25:30 DocScrutinizer, what is LP5523? Nov 28 09:25:43 the LED controller chip Nov 28 09:25:53 and what's wrong with it? Nov 28 09:25:54 doing the patterns Nov 28 09:26:29 I planned to create a 'pattern' that signals the battery voltage, without any CPU support Nov 28 09:27:01 Venemo: "Because we are OSS-crazed zealots who want to force every hw company into releasing the source code for their drivers" Nov 28 09:27:03 for that I have to switch LP5523's ADC from LED-test to VBAT mode Nov 28 09:27:05 afaik there is a lib for using the LED, isn't there? Nov 28 09:27:21 RST38h: yeah, I guessed so Nov 28 09:27:42 (that's been the 4 fingers in the datasheet :-P) Nov 28 09:27:56 Venemo_N900: forget it Nov 28 09:28:11 there's no lib, and I don't want to use a lib Nov 28 09:28:27 I don't even want to use a CPU :-D Nov 28 09:29:21 oh, great :) Nov 28 09:29:58 the three engines of LP5523 have decrement&branch-if-not-zero, jump-if-not-zero, add, sub, and load commands Nov 28 09:30:47 alas only on 3 "variables" and not on all the 60some registers of the chip Nov 28 09:31:15 DocScrutinizer: is this the fault of just another poorly written driver? Nov 28 09:31:40 so the only way to set e.g. the register that selects analog souce of ADC, is via I2C bus Nov 28 09:31:56 no, this is hardware Nov 28 09:32:32 the poorly written driver has no option for me to set this register via I2C Nov 28 09:32:47 great Nov 28 09:33:19 though it's the lp5523 driver that is in full control of the I2C bus interface of the chip Nov 28 09:33:54 but it has no raw write to arbitrary register addr in /sys Nov 28 09:34:46 and as the driver occupies the I2C bus, I can't use I2Cset to do it directly Nov 28 09:35:25 and I can't unload the driver without stopping mce :-S Nov 28 09:36:02 ouch Nov 28 09:36:31 how do all the other apps use the LED then? Nov 28 09:36:32 well this lp5523 driver is really one stinking pile of sh*t Nov 28 09:36:46 via mce? Nov 28 09:36:59 who's using LEDs? Nov 28 09:37:28 you got some brightness sysnodes that work relatively flawless Nov 28 09:37:43 supported by driver Nov 28 09:37:44 the notification thingies use the LEDs for one Nov 28 09:37:52 mce Nov 28 09:38:15 and using it through mce is what you wanna avoid, right? Nov 28 09:38:35 I can't set the register via mce Nov 28 09:38:45 I can't even set it via lp5523 driver Nov 28 09:39:04 :( Nov 28 09:40:17 I *could* set it via I2Cbus driver, using I2Cset cmdline tool. Alas this doesn't work as LP5523 driver has 'opened' the I2Cbus, so I2Cset says "resource busy" Nov 28 09:40:52 can't you temporarily unload the driver? Nov 28 09:41:02 with modprobe or something? Nov 28 09:41:05 only when I stop mce Nov 28 09:41:27 otherwise mce goes bonkers Nov 28 09:42:31 'modprobe -r leds-lp5523' Nov 28 09:42:32 and odds are when I _modprobe_ load the lp5523 driver later, it resets the chip - MUHAHAHA Nov 28 09:42:39 nothing bad has happened Nov 28 09:42:49 wait a bit Nov 28 09:43:01 mce can segfault Nov 28 09:43:07 it didn't Nov 28 09:43:09 we seen that with fcam Nov 28 09:43:14 or I didn't notice Nov 28 09:43:42 I could also reload it now Nov 28 09:43:44 anyway it doesn't handle LEDs anymore Nov 28 09:44:01 yeah, and that would reset my register :-P Nov 28 09:44:22 are you sure? Nov 28 09:44:25 * DocScrutinizer pissed Nov 28 09:44:31 quite Nov 28 09:44:59 lp5523 driver will send a reset to the chip, if it's not *complete* crap Nov 28 09:45:00 well then, is the driver OSS? Nov 28 09:45:05 yes Nov 28 09:45:19 surprisingly Nov 28 09:45:33 might add a /raw sysnode Nov 28 09:45:56 to read and write arbitrary registers of LP5523 chip Nov 28 09:46:52 but I was about to code a little fancy, for the chip. Not to patch a borked fubar driver Nov 28 09:47:35 once more Nokia implemented the bare minimum of what they needed to make exactly their limited tiny usecase work Nov 28 09:48:14 abysmal system architecture Nov 28 09:48:34 hello Nov 28 09:48:57 is there anybody who can advice me with Maemo SDK installation? Nov 28 09:49:20 and then such botch goes upstream mainline and sets standards Nov 28 09:49:37 * DocScrutinizer feels sick Nov 28 09:49:46 Firzen: what is it that you'd like to know? Nov 28 09:51:23 Venemo_N900: hi, I just need install this sw by any way.. I've tried virtual image and it failed, then I've tried Nokia install scripts on my Debian linux and it failed too Nov 28 09:51:39 DocScrutinizer: when one is doing something only for the sole reason he's paid, and he doesn't like his job, this is a typical outcome Nov 28 09:51:57 Firzen: well it should work on Debian flawlessly Nov 28 09:51:58 Venemo_N900: I posted my problem here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=871939#post871939 Nov 28 09:52:01 yes, that's what it looks like Nov 28 09:52:10 Venemo_N900: (this is problem with virtual image) Nov 28 09:52:27 ouch, VM Nov 28 09:52:41 those are completely bitrotten aiui Nov 28 09:53:08 Firzen: I simply installed with the script on tablets-dev Nov 28 09:53:24 Firzen: it even worked on 64bit Fedora for me Nov 28 09:53:41 should probably work in a VM as well Nov 28 09:54:01 yes it should but it doesn't work Nov 28 09:54:27 Venemo_N900: witch script you used? Nov 28 09:54:32 *scripts Nov 28 09:55:25 Firzen: http://www.forum.nokia.com/Library/Tools_and_downloads/Other/Maemo/ Nov 28 09:55:38 Firzen: click on "download the maemo 5 sdk" Nov 28 09:56:04 Firzen: afaik it's a python script and will install everyhing you need Nov 28 09:57:01 Firzen: I simply ran the script on my regular Fedora installation, and after setting vdso32 in grub.conf and disabling selinux it worked Nov 28 09:57:23 Venemo_N900: these script I tried.. Nov 28 09:57:30 Venemo_N900: I too disabled it Nov 28 09:57:31 Firzen: if you have a 64-bit installation, then setting vdso32 is necessary Nov 28 09:58:02 Firzen: since there is no selinux on debian you don't need to bothr Nov 28 09:58:06 bother* Nov 28 09:58:48 (lp5523) it's a pity - the guy at Nokia who designed the chip sent me a few mails chatting with me about the LP5523. I could feel how proud he was about that shiny little gem, and right he was. And then I heard about his letdown about nobody (except me he said) really realized how great that chip is and how much it simplifies production test and everything Nov 28 09:59:25 Venemo_N900: hmm and witch installer I should download? Nov 28 09:59:34 Venemo_N900: there are three versions Nov 28 10:00:16 this guy for sure did his job for the fun of it, not just to get the money Nov 28 10:00:23 Firzen: I used the GUI installer Nov 28 10:00:38 Venemo_N900: ok Nov 28 10:00:43 DocScrutinizer: yeah, but not the guy who then wrote the crappy driver Nov 28 10:00:48 yep Nov 28 10:01:33 this is how bad employees can screw good ones Nov 28 10:04:12 you don't even know if it was the guy who wrote the driver. He might have a reqirements spec and that is the one to follow. Some system architect unknown might have decided "we don't need that" (damn how often I heard this in industry) Nov 28 10:04:28 yeah, right Nov 28 10:04:57 and if this was a decision made to shorten the release schedule, then he was right Nov 28 10:05:44 not if a 3 hours more of thinking would at least have kept the spec of the API extensible Nov 28 10:06:48 then anybody (e.g. me) could blow up the driver to full brilliance at any later point in time. Not now though Nov 28 10:07:00 the API is fubar Nov 28 10:07:15 basically Nov 28 10:07:33 Venemo_N900: lol, so here is small problem Nov 28 10:07:47 Venemo_N900: I am unable to execute this script Nov 28 10:08:08 Venemo_N900: and It writes no error message Nov 28 10:09:01 well, maybe I find a way to augment it without breaking backward compatibility Nov 28 10:09:56 so if I do, it's not the API that's fubar, it's just the missing spec that's a PITA - as usual Nov 28 10:10:09 ~ping Nov 28 10:10:10 ~pong Nov 28 10:11:11 Venemo_N900: firzen@hope:~/Desktop$ chmod +x maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py firzen@hope:~/Desktop$ kdesu ./maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py kdesu(3284) KDESu::PtyProcess::exec: [ ../../kdesu/process.cpp : 295 ] Running "/bin/su" kdesu(3284) KDESu::SuProcess::ConverseSU: [ ../../kdesu/su.cpp : 259 ] Read line "Password: " kdesu(3284) KDESu::PtyProcess::exec: [ ../../kdesu/process.cpp : 295 ] Run Nov 28 10:11:32 Venemo_N900: and absolutely nothing happened :-/ Nov 28 10:11:39 please use patebin Nov 28 10:11:49 pastebin even Nov 28 10:13:50 e.g.: blablobfoo --verbose | netcat paste.dyndns.org 1234 Nov 28 10:16:10 i will try it in Ubuntu 10.04 Nov 28 10:16:29 WAAAH infobot :.( Nov 28 10:17:12 tzzz Nov 28 10:18:22 that paste.dyndns.org is awesoem Nov 28 10:20:29 :-D Nov 28 10:20:31 yeah Nov 28 10:21:13 since pastebinit borked when they all changed their API, I'm using this most of the time Nov 28 10:21:22 got netcat anyway Nov 28 10:22:15 you mean nc Nov 28 10:22:22 depends Nov 28 10:22:23 hi again Nov 28 10:22:26 here it's netcat Nov 28 10:22:39 I hate when freenode randomly disconnects me Nov 28 10:22:53 anyway, sucks that there's no way to specify a syntax colouring Nov 28 10:22:58 you're not alone Nov 28 10:23:13 kerio, syntax colouring in where? Nov 28 10:23:22 pastebin Nov 28 10:23:38 paste.dyndns.org 1234 Nov 28 10:24:13 oh, yes Nov 28 10:24:16 agreed Nov 28 10:24:18 http://paste.debian.net/100933 lol Nov 28 10:25:23 umm, loks good, no? Nov 28 10:25:27 looks* Nov 28 10:25:36 whatever it is Nov 28 10:25:53 it's the headers that firefox generated when i went to http://paste.dyndns.org:1234/ Nov 28 10:25:54 :D Nov 28 10:26:33 aaah Nov 28 10:26:38 hehe Nov 28 10:27:17 i still prefer paste.pocoo.org Nov 28 10:27:25 lodgeit is awsum Nov 28 10:29:39 meh, konqui opened a temporary textedit, with save and all, but no way to get the paste.debian.org URL :-P Nov 28 10:30:03 fpaste is nice too Nov 28 10:31:25 but the main feature of that is the command line utility Nov 28 10:31:36 well, I'm off now. Siiting in a corner and pouting about lp5523 driver, and the one missing register load that spoiled my fancy plan Nov 28 10:31:59 o/ Nov 28 10:32:05 btw, http://pastie.org/1329639 sieve of eratosthenes Nov 28 10:32:38 DocScrutinizer: have a nice time Nov 28 10:33:13 I'm leaving too Nov 28 10:33:23 need to get something to eat Nov 28 10:33:27 bb Nov 28 10:41:33 what's gnome-pty-helper? Nov 28 10:41:45 it prevents me from opening xterm till I kill it Nov 28 10:58:19 MohammadAG is it gnome-pty-helper is a program that setuid application used to open a pseudo-terminal, set the permissions, ownership and record user login information Nov 28 11:05:01 lol! Nov 28 11:05:21 MohammadAG, just trying to read fm radio status in qt mobility, and it turned on bluetooth instead! genius Nov 28 11:08:21 Hah Nov 28 11:08:58 Noobmonkey_, that sounds special Nov 28 11:09:08 lcuk, My device is special :P Nov 28 11:09:18 just tried it again, and it played a noise then stopped Nov 28 11:09:20 lmfao Nov 28 11:09:47 guys, whats the program name that let me access my xterminal from my pc to N900? Nov 28 11:10:21 open ssh server? Nov 28 11:10:26 vnc server? Nov 28 11:10:39 not vnc for sure Nov 28 11:10:43 ssh works :) Nov 28 11:10:50 but let me check ssh server. cool Nov 28 11:10:52 awesome Nov 28 11:11:07 lolloo, if you mean using ssh, then in windows, running Putty is kinda the norm from windows side Nov 28 11:11:23 yes thats it!!! PUTTY! Nov 28 11:11:23 * alterego wonders whether people would be interested in the actual satellite signal strength values being displayed over his strength bars. Nov 28 11:11:39 no alterego Nov 28 11:11:52 i would be interested to know relative speed of the sat vs me Nov 28 11:12:09 Heh, why? Nov 28 11:12:25 so that i can safely dock with one next time I am in LEO Nov 28 11:13:26 Heh Nov 28 11:13:54 does gps work from the ISS? Nov 28 11:13:59 lol Nov 28 11:14:10 Yes Nov 28 11:14:13 how really odd!! Nov 28 11:14:45 lcuk, the fmtransmitter qtmobility stuff definitley turns on bluetooth even if the fm transmitter is already on Nov 28 11:14:45 is that because its inside the orbit of the constelation? Nov 28 11:14:55 lcuk , login as? Nov 28 11:14:58 is it user? Nov 28 11:14:58 are they linked? Nov 28 11:15:03 yes Noobmonkey_ i recall something similar from before Nov 28 11:15:11 how odd! Nov 28 11:15:17 Heh Nov 28 11:15:25 but you will have to investigate/make testcase/file bug to fix its behaviour Nov 28 11:15:34 Noobmonkey_, at least i remember something like that Nov 28 11:16:10 lol lcuk :) Nov 28 11:16:28 i'm using the generic qt test files, so i'm hoping they are already aware :) Nov 28 11:28:20 This channel is bleeding users Nov 28 11:28:37 about a month ago, 500+ users, yesterday, 405, today, 380 Nov 28 11:28:48 nobody likes maemo anymore Nov 28 11:29:08 I'm losing mah powa! Nov 28 11:29:15 I need victims! Nov 28 11:29:39 why somebody makes app so big that source code alone is 4G Nov 28 11:29:47 crashanddie: there's still 500+ at certain times Nov 28 11:30:11 yeah, 3 days after a PR release Nov 28 11:30:55 Morning Nov 28 11:30:58 "An email, split into user and domain elements to stop harvesting" - This is an xml file, just becuse you turn one attribute into two doesn't really make it any harder to harvest email addresses. Nov 28 11:31:32 http://khertan.net/_media/khweeteur_on_xfce.png < i am really starting to like qt Nov 28 11:31:33 :) Nov 28 11:32:25 khertan: it's addictive isn't it ;) Nov 28 11:33:19 That@s neat, are you planning to use QML? Nov 28 11:36:39 Hrm, gpx has optional "elevation" for points, but it doesn't document the units. Nov 28 11:37:09 * RST38h yawns Nov 28 11:37:20 heya alrterego Nov 28 11:37:35 Aloha :) Nov 28 11:39:13 anyone tried jacekowski's fmtxd? Nov 28 11:40:13 khertan: I've been thinking about how to run c apps from KhtEditor Nov 28 11:41:24 Oh yes, its' in meters, I was just reading the documentation wrong :) Nov 28 11:43:26 khertan: I came up with a simple solution Nov 28 11:44:08 nice screenie khertan Nov 28 11:44:16 hello Noobmonkey_ Nov 28 11:44:20 mornin ;) Nov 28 11:44:53 alterego, no at all qml look like css things ... beurk Nov 28 11:45:00 Venemo_N900, hi Nov 28 11:45:04 Noobmonkey_, hi Nov 28 11:45:14 Venemo_N900, which is ? Nov 28 11:45:18 * Noobmonkey_ is screwing up qt yay! Nov 28 11:47:11 khertan: 1. copy the source file to /tmp/khteditor (or similar) Nov 28 11:47:31 khertan: 2. call 'make myfile' in that folder Nov 28 11:48:01 khertan: 3. chmod then run the executable with the original source directory in PATH Nov 28 11:48:26 khertan: it could be done with a shell script or be built into khteditor itself Nov 28 11:49:10 hum ... but make will require a makefile Nov 28 11:49:22 (sorry i'm not familiar with c tools) Nov 28 11:50:23 khertan: well it would normally Nov 28 11:50:54 khertan: but there is a hack in make that will let you compile a single source file to anexecutable Nov 28 11:51:03 khertan: we could also use gcc for this Nov 28 11:51:53 alterego: there was a good practice on usenet, which asked people to indicate when an email address had been tampered with Nov 28 11:52:33 alterego: simply by appending .invalid to the end. That way, you could meddle with it any way you wanted first__removethis__lastname@mydomain.com.invalid Nov 28 11:52:51 Heh, neat Nov 28 11:53:14 And it basically told people to look for more than simply copying/pasting the email address Nov 28 11:53:55 khertan: and g++ for c++ Nov 28 11:53:58 It actually came to a point where we saw the source code of a harvester bot who would simply ignore any email if it had .invalid at the end Nov 28 11:54:12 khertan: need help? Nov 28 11:54:28 Noice Nov 28 11:57:30 crashanddie, hi Nov 28 11:58:41 brb Nov 28 11:58:50 Venemo_N900, hum ... but copying to /tmp the source file, would require to copy also inherited file Nov 28 11:59:08 brb too ... going to eat something Nov 28 12:07:37 khertan: are you trying to allow compilation from within khteditor? Nov 28 12:13:32 hi , i just got a maemo , i have a friend with a maemo , when he turns it the phone application do directly opens in portrait mode Nov 28 12:13:42 My application has missing dependencies in extras repo but it's ok in testing. How come? Why is it different? Nov 28 12:13:44 is there anything to download / config to have that working Nov 28 12:14:05 troulouliou: open the phone app and use the menu, "turn control" Nov 28 12:14:19 thp: ho so easy thanks :) Nov 28 12:14:28 troulouliou: or rather "turning control" -> "launch by turning" Nov 28 12:14:52 you can simply set it to portrait :) Nov 28 12:15:05 thanks working great Nov 28 12:15:15 launch by turning, zoolander application. Nov 28 12:15:36 Here is my app: http://maemo.org/packages/view/tomotko/ Nov 28 12:15:36 could start up a different app based on the turning direction :D Nov 28 12:15:49 hi lcuk Nov 28 12:15:57 yo! Venemo_N900 Nov 28 12:16:24 On testing and devel, no prob. But on extras -> red warnings. Is it normal? Nov 28 12:16:53 fureddo, which languages are included? Nov 28 12:17:03 It's a qt application. Nov 28 12:17:07 C++/Qt. Nov 28 12:17:18 Flashcard application convenient for people wanting to learn vocabulary in one or more foreign languages. Nov 28 12:17:26 ie, which languages are included. Nov 28 12:17:34 Ah... Sorry. Nov 28 12:17:38 not which language is it written in? :) Nov 28 12:18:08 Actually, no data are included by default. But you can download some glossaries here: http://tomotko.sourceforge.net in the glossary page. Nov 28 12:18:25 fureddo, gui download included? Nov 28 12:18:31 Many languages are supported. Nov 28 12:18:42 or does the user/operator have to know how to find/download/install them themselves? Nov 28 12:19:14 You can use the application to import the data. But you must first download the data and put it somewhere on your device. Nov 28 12:20:05 hm Nov 28 12:20:17 what is the best "Ir remote" program ? Nov 28 12:21:19 troulouliou: irreco maybe Nov 28 12:22:34 talking of ir, is it hard to capture a remote with lirc on a linux pc and use the data to have irreco imitate it? Nov 28 12:22:55 (i have an ir reciever for my desktop) Nov 28 12:23:08 thanks installing it now Nov 28 12:23:08 BCMM, i would have thought that would be feasible Nov 28 12:23:17 but not sure how it works in practice Nov 28 12:23:57 fureddo, missing Finnish. Nov 28 12:24:00 lcuk: i've never transmitted with lirc before; does it use the same format for remote specification that it uses for recieving? Nov 28 12:24:09 idk Nov 28 12:24:45 also, has anyone seen an lirc config that functions like a tvbgone? Nov 28 12:25:32 lcuk: Finnish is supported but there is no available glossaries. Nov 28 12:25:39 (which is a device that broadcasts the "standby" signal for a large number of tvs back-to-back) Nov 28 12:26:44 lol BCMM Nov 28 12:26:47 BCMM: maybe contact irreco's author Nov 28 12:27:31 also Nov 28 12:27:51 what's the functional difference between Irreco and QtIrreco? Nov 28 12:28:50 lcuk: having it a phone would be the perfect cover, too Nov 28 12:28:57 ^on Nov 28 12:29:07 BCMM: hehe Nov 28 12:31:01 anyway, bb guys Nov 28 12:32:08 hate netsplits Nov 28 12:32:09 ... Nov 28 12:32:50 hmm, there is a forum thread that basically concludes that the tvbgone firmware is open source but no one can work out how to convert their ir code format Nov 28 12:36:43 do you guys thing leaving the n900 on 3g uses more power than 2g? Nov 28 12:36:52 think* Nov 28 12:36:57 it is known to Nov 28 12:37:15 that's why there is an applet for forcing it to 2g Nov 28 12:37:37 or dual Nov 28 12:37:59 (when using the net connection, that is - doubt there is a substantial difference just idling waiting to be phoned) Nov 28 12:38:12 hm Nov 28 12:38:13 or an app to switch it to 2G when 3G is not needed Nov 28 12:38:36 but dual actually sucks i think becoz for me often reconnecting from 2g to 3g it eats even more battery Nov 28 12:39:49 I beg to differ, I recall using 3G permanently under PR1.1.1 gave me less than a day's uptime with moderate usage Nov 28 12:40:24 fck: going from 2g to 3g is a negligeable operation Nov 28 12:40:26 now I get around about a day's usage with PR1.3 Nov 28 12:41:00 yep Nov 28 12:41:07 but apps reconnecting Nov 28 12:41:09 and this sucks Nov 28 12:41:16 lcuk, figured out the qt fm tranmitter problem :P Nov 28 12:41:29 its cos the code is for a fm receiver lol ;) Nov 28 12:41:31 bear in mind that there is also a massive difference between constantly sending even small amounts of data, and just sitting online with no traffic Nov 28 12:41:40 how man you can see even then you just reconnect n900 starting freaz Nov 28 12:41:52 shure Nov 28 12:41:59 Noobmonkey_, watcha trying to do? Nov 28 12:42:15 MohammadAG, just suck out the fm transmitter information from qtmobility Nov 28 12:42:27 me always jabber, skype,google talk, icq, facebook chat Nov 28 12:42:27 i.e. irc over 3g uses an order of magnitude more power than being on gpr but doing nothing or waiting for a connection from elsewhere or something Nov 28 12:42:36 oh Nov 28 12:42:43 i'd just read the sysnodes :P Nov 28 12:42:48 sysnodes? Nov 28 12:42:52 sounds like an illnesas Nov 28 12:42:55 illness* Nov 28 12:43:03 BCMM: "waiting for connections"? Nov 28 12:43:23 Noobmonkey_: you sound like an illness :P Nov 28 12:43:29 crashanddie, :( Nov 28 12:43:33 crashanddie: trying to find a reason to be on gprs and not use it Nov 28 12:44:02 clearly the only good reason is sitting online so you can ssh it when you need to :) Nov 28 12:44:15 BCMM: considering most mobile IP setups aren't routable, I think you'd be pretty hard pushed to find anything "waiting for connections" Nov 28 12:44:22 yeah, i know Nov 28 12:44:47 lets say staying online and checking email every 10 then Nov 28 12:44:56 can anyone help me figure out how to get libpcre3 installed on my n900 Nov 28 12:45:07 fun idea: check if when using same ISP/contract in the same area, you get an IP address that's acceptable and you can ping one another... Wireless Quake3 LAN Nov 28 12:45:18 crashanddie: weirdly, tmob uk has given me both real and loca ip addrs, depending on where i am Nov 28 12:45:51 neodemi: it's available in the tools/sdk repository Nov 28 12:45:54 local Nov 28 12:45:57 neodemi: can I ask why you need it? Nov 28 12:46:18 i was attempting to install kismet or aircrack and both seemed to need it Nov 28 12:46:22 i want ipv6. Nov 28 12:47:44 neodemi: don't remember needing it, but well: http://maemo.org/packages/view/libpcre3/ Nov 28 12:47:54 firstly, the network would be able to give me a proper ip address, and secondly it wouldn't be practical for botnets to spam the entire address space any more, so you'd have a lot less pointless connections denting battery life Nov 28 12:48:15 hi Nov 28 12:49:09 do desktop shortcuts, wallpapers and applets make significant difference in batery lifetime? Nov 28 12:49:30 applets can, depends what they do Nov 28 12:49:40 the others are general static content Nov 28 12:49:57 even live wallpapers go to sleep when you can't see them Nov 28 12:50:10 but busy live wallpapers do eat cpu :) Nov 28 12:50:36 am i right in saying that applets can go to sleep when hidden, but aren't forced to? Nov 28 12:51:00 (if they want to be checking the weather online or something) Nov 28 12:51:39 i have some triggers for 2G/3G modes, battery status, Wifi and SSH switchers, some widgets for agenda and weather and default wallpapers, many shortcuts Nov 28 12:51:46 speaking of battery life, my laptop is battery very low bbl Nov 28 12:51:49 BCMM: yes, the can (and should), but they are not forced to Nov 28 12:51:59 s/the/they/ Nov 28 12:52:10 most things are static and mail sync is manual Nov 28 12:52:19 thp: well, weather is an example of one that shouldn't Nov 28 12:52:51 even though I can´t go over a day in n900 battery Nov 28 12:53:20 blackthorne: but as lcuk said, ordinary wallpapers and shortcuts don't use substantial cpu time other than when switching desktops Nov 28 12:54:10 blackthorne: are you on gprs all day? Nov 28 12:54:25 just gsm Nov 28 12:54:48 though I make significant use of wifi Nov 28 12:55:35 blackthorne: does it go flat fast even when just sitting in your pocket all day in case someone calls? Nov 28 12:56:08 blackthorne: ah, you might like to check if powersaving is enabled on your wireless router Nov 28 12:56:35 i only have it for 2 days... can`t be sure about that Nov 28 12:56:51 with that enabled and working well, the n900 can idle on wifi for days Nov 28 12:58:30 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption Nov 28 12:59:04 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management Nov 28 12:59:59 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Disco_Power_management Nov 28 13:00:38 lcuk: huh? Nov 28 13:00:56 * lcukn900 lazy sunday morning amusement Nov 28 13:03:49 Not sure what to do, kind of fancy writing some more crap to use my nift Qt bluetooth stuff. Nov 28 13:05:01 back Nov 28 13:05:15 powersaving, where is that? Nov 28 13:05:50 anyone wants wine vouchers from amazon.co.uk and is from the UK? Nov 28 13:06:07 I've got one that expires in two days for 40 GBP Nov 28 13:06:15 and another fresh one for 50 GBP Nov 28 13:07:41 tomaszD: not me, but thank you Nov 28 13:08:31 what is it with amazon wine vouchers? Nov 28 13:08:33 TomaszD: for free? :) Nov 28 13:08:39 yes Nov 28 13:08:39 are they trying to get people drunk? Nov 28 13:08:46 I'll have it :) Nov 28 13:08:50 alterego: you'll have to pay for s&h Nov 28 13:08:53 I don't know, all I know is that they don't deliver to Poland Nov 28 13:09:00 crashanddie: s&h? Nov 28 13:09:06 shipping&handling Nov 28 13:09:08 crashanddie: no, they just want to make you think you're getting something free when you're really not Nov 28 13:09:08 shipping and handling Nov 28 13:09:12 shipping? Nov 28 13:09:21 That's fine, I've got to order some other stuff today anyway ;) Nov 28 13:09:29 same as the wine vouchers lovefilm give away in every single disk delivery Nov 28 13:09:36 TomaszD: PM me the code :D Nov 28 13:09:43 ok Nov 28 13:10:04 is anybidy here using the sdk ? Nov 28 13:11:16 one good discount of amazon goes to office 2011: license for 3 persons - 110$ Nov 28 13:26:52 i thought maemo was good on movie playing, so I could play all formats Nov 28 13:27:34 after installing a pack of codecs only 2 movies out of a list of 5 Nov 28 13:27:40 All - no. Nov 28 13:27:56 they all played in my ipod touch Nov 28 13:28:11 .mp4,.mov Nov 28 13:28:15 blackthorne, then you already watched them. Nov 28 13:28:19 troulouliou: a few people yes, how about you ask a question? Nov 28 13:28:21 no need to see again :P Nov 28 13:29:20 lcuk: emacs screencast should always be close to you Nov 28 13:29:29 black: The punchline of this story is to always getmovies encoded in the widely available formats like Xvid =) Nov 28 13:29:32 just vi, no need for a screencast Nov 28 13:29:42 crashhanddie: have two problems , 1 i can not start the wm anymore in xephyr ; 2 when i switch from ARMEL to X86 , have a message "terminal type ?" Nov 28 13:29:50 blackthorne, why screencast, can just play the real game Nov 28 13:30:06 * lcuk grabs his ideapad Nov 28 13:30:15 lcuk: how do you like the ideapad? Nov 28 13:30:16 but i just got the phone 4 days ago , maybe it is a real too noob questin answered on tons of forums :) Nov 28 13:30:38 thats how I switched to THE operating system Nov 28 13:30:40 troulouliou: what error message do you get when trying to start the maemo environment? Nov 28 13:30:44 crashanddie, i like it :) missing stylus tho, i have to write using chalkboard hand Nov 28 13:30:59 its more tiresome and the notes end up at about the same res/detail as n900 ones Nov 28 13:31:01 after many failed tries with books and articles Nov 28 13:31:04 lcuk: it runs meego, yes? Nov 28 13:31:12 crashanddie, yes, very well. Nov 28 13:31:28 lcuk: how does a full Qt interface work? Nov 28 13:31:34 lcuk: better/snappier than gtk? Nov 28 13:31:44 hardware accel? Nov 28 13:31:55 lcuk: ideapad? what gadget is that that I don`t have and dont even know? Nov 28 13:32:14 blackthorne: laptop that intel gave away at the meego conference Nov 28 13:32:16 crashanddie, go see some of the videos Nov 28 13:32:29 lcuk: i don't want videos, I want first hand experience Nov 28 13:32:33 yours, preferably Nov 28 13:32:41 its much higher spec (obviously its x86 atom based multitouch netbook) Nov 28 13:33:01 crashanddie, :) soon, just getting to know her Nov 28 13:33:11 k Nov 28 13:33:14 anyway, gotta run Nov 28 13:33:16 later #maemo Nov 28 13:33:17 theres some handling issues lol Nov 28 13:33:19 crashanddie: http://pastebin.com/M1Zivp8r Nov 28 13:33:25 here are the output Nov 28 13:33:28 lcuk: Can I put it into a pocket? =) Nov 28 13:33:31 lcuk: which ideapad model is that? Nov 28 13:33:35 in xhephyr a can only see a twitter widget :) Nov 28 13:33:41 blackthorne, at the #meego conf nokia and intel gave out lenovo ideapads to the participants Nov 28 13:33:48 X10-3t Nov 28 13:33:50 ah, the S10-3t Nov 28 13:33:52 S10-3t Nov 28 13:33:53 check Nov 28 13:34:01 and when i click on it the screen is black again Nov 28 13:34:41 lcuk I guess that conf is not for everybody... Nov 28 13:36:19 seems a laptop like any other, Y460 Nov 28 13:37:03 what is your preferred stand-alone navigation app? navit? roadmap? sygic? Nov 28 13:40:22 * MohammadAG thinks out loud Nov 28 13:40:37 erstazi: i like sygic Nov 28 13:41:08 if kb LEDs have a brightness range of 0-255, and volume range is 0-100, then for each 100 /255 I have to raise brightness by 1 Nov 28 13:41:13 * MohammadAG hums Nov 28 13:43:19 0 - 100 = 101 and 0 - 255 = 256 Nov 28 13:45:26 aquatix: yeah, 30€ is not bad, honestly Nov 28 13:45:52 it's cold outside when helicopters sound more hi-fi Nov 28 13:52:54 how do I round up an int? Nov 28 13:54:55 intdogs Nov 28 14:06:38 does this look wrong? int BPL = (value / 100 * 255); Nov 28 14:07:10 I always get 0 in the output Nov 28 14:07:26 what is value Nov 28 14:08:06 an int from 0-100 Nov 28 14:08:21 71 Nov 28 14:08:21 0 Nov 28 14:08:26 71 is value, BPL is 0 Nov 28 14:08:36 Need to make one a floating point value. Nov 28 14:08:40 Then round. Nov 28 14:08:40 yeah, 100*255 is 25500 Nov 28 14:08:50 100 / 25500 is 0 Nov 28 14:08:56 value / 100.0f * 255 Nov 28 14:09:14 Though, the rounding is implicit. Nov 28 14:09:15 value*255/100 Nov 28 14:09:28 SpeedEvil: is the nicer integer way of doing it ;) Nov 28 14:09:33 err, yeah, i'm on crack... forgetting my order, ignore what i said :P Nov 28 14:10:45 yeah, SpeedEvil is the most correct answer as it avoids floating point math... Nov 28 14:10:57 SpeedEvil, alterego ty :) Nov 28 14:11:10 is there a way to write an integer to a file? or just convert it to a string Nov 28 14:11:27 Yeah, you can do that. Nov 28 14:11:40 QIODevice::write(QString::number(someNumber)) Nov 28 14:11:43 .toString() I guess? Nov 28 14:11:50 ah Nov 28 14:12:07 do you want it as an int or as a string? Nov 28 14:12:10 That's a nice function that'll output integers, or decimals. Nov 28 14:12:26 (depending on the argument type. Nov 28 14:12:28 sigh, /home/mohammad/VU-build-maemo/../VU/mainwindow.cpp:101: error: no matching function for call to 'QFile::write(QString)' Nov 28 14:12:52 sprintf(FILE,"%d",int); Nov 28 14:12:58 hm, candidates are: qint64 QIODevice::write(const char*, qint64) Nov 28 14:13:01 SpeedEvil, Qt Nov 28 14:14:01 you can work around that with .toASCII() and .length() on the qstring, or there is a more specific function i think for writing text Nov 28 14:14:35 http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.6/qtextstream.html Nov 28 14:16:23 Just do QString::constData() :) Nov 28 14:17:09 .toAscii() worked :D Nov 28 14:17:32 and I must say, a pulsing VU is better Nov 28 14:19:49 http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/VU Nov 28 14:19:54 run it as root Nov 28 14:20:05 lock the screen before it starts Nov 28 14:20:09 bbl Nov 28 14:32:20 it's too damned cold Nov 28 14:33:17 ieatlint: I concur. Nov 28 14:33:32 except for the bit about Hell freezing Nov 28 14:33:43 pretty sure it's not quite so cold there Nov 28 14:34:11 I looked at the weather forecast for next weekend. Nov 28 14:34:17 This was a mistake - it's -15C Nov 28 14:34:32 is it really? Nov 28 14:34:43 what's that in Temps? Nov 28 14:35:01 umm Nov 28 14:35:02 10F? Nov 28 14:35:35 yeah, it's no where near that cold here... but i don't really have heating, so when it hits the current temp of 4c, i'm just fucking cold Nov 28 14:36:00 I also don't have heating - it's 2C in here. Nov 28 14:36:04 Actually - 3C Nov 28 14:36:04 -2Tp Nov 28 14:36:15 that is 3, not -3 Nov 28 14:36:28 Electric blanket++ Nov 28 14:36:29 eek, it's maybe 8c in here... you win Nov 28 14:36:40 meh, the day doesn't look too bad Nov 28 14:36:43 i'm in my bed under blankets Nov 28 14:36:44 i win Nov 28 14:36:50 gets up to 76 F today Nov 28 14:36:51 I'm also in bed Nov 28 14:36:54 low 80s Mon and Tue Nov 28 14:36:55 Under blankets Nov 28 14:36:58 hah, i have blanket + other human keeping me "warm" right now Nov 28 14:37:02 plus laptop Nov 28 14:37:10 I'd much rather have a human. Nov 28 14:37:16 Well - a subset of humans. Nov 28 14:37:22 Not just any random one. Nov 28 14:37:26 Crazy .. Nov 28 14:37:41 a subset? like a minority? Nov 28 14:37:42 84 F on Monday… Nov 28 14:37:57 luke-jr: yeah, damn you florida Nov 28 14:37:58 ieatlint: he means a specific human Nov 28 14:38:06 ieatlint: it would need to be a bigass bed to hold a majority of humans Nov 28 14:38:40 ieatlint: Female, 16-40, BMI between 17 and 28, acceptable personal hygine, not too annoying. Nov 28 14:38:42 :P Nov 28 14:39:08 i'd go for asian fetish supermodel Nov 28 14:39:20 hah Nov 28 14:39:45 oops :P Nov 28 14:40:07 person next to me is a former fetish model, but not asian, heh Nov 28 14:40:20 lies Nov 28 14:40:32 :P Nov 28 14:44:27 wait, srsly? Nov 28 14:45:16 heh, essentially, yeah Nov 28 14:51:02 "Mankind is selfish and greedy! Therefore we must give absolute power to other selfish and greedy men!" <-- hahahahah Nov 28 14:53:42 Should probably add a nice bluetooth devices dialo, to stop people having to explicitely enter in the bluetooth device address. Nov 28 15:04:00 crap, the power kernel (v46) eats up the cpu on a sip call like nobodys business. Nov 28 15:04:19 Stock kernel eats up about 35% of cpu while power kernel goes upto 60% Nov 28 15:06:15 is the power kernel from extras repo support PR 1.3? Nov 28 15:08:36 hey guys Nov 28 15:15:10 He Venemo Nov 28 15:15:27 hi alterego Nov 28 15:15:53 * Venemo_N900 realized how fun it is to irc while on a train Nov 28 15:17:16 alterego, how's your app? :) Nov 28 15:18:25 booooooo, power kernel v40 from extra also eats up cpu Nov 28 15:18:54 62.2% cpu with power kernel vs 40% stock kernel. Nov 28 15:18:56 Good thanks. Nov 28 15:19:07 Not working on it today, just relaxing ;) Nov 28 15:19:17 :) Nov 28 15:19:24 Venemo_N900: what are you working on at the moment? Anything? Nov 28 15:19:36 Pulse audio eats up too much cpu in power kernel. Is there any trick i am missing? Nov 28 15:19:51 Not keen on OCing though Nov 28 15:20:11 I need a kernel which can let me setup N900 as a usb router. Nov 28 15:20:30 baslically with iptables/NAT support. Nov 28 15:20:47 alterego: well... attending uni and having a job is hard Nov 28 15:20:49 DocScrutinizer: ^^ Nov 28 15:20:57 alterego: that's what I'm working on Nov 28 15:21:10 :) Nov 28 15:21:23 trumee: maybe a later version of the power kernel? Nov 28 15:21:34 I'm trying to work out why my bluetooth slave mode has stopped working. Nov 28 15:21:41 Venemo_N900: i tried v46 from extras-devel, same response. Nov 28 15:21:54 alterego: in the meantime, I'm still looking for a good idea for my homework app Nov 28 15:22:07 Basically, my app allows you to set it up to connect to a host bluetooth rfcomm service, rather than acting as a host itself. Nov 28 15:22:09 trumee: sorry to hear that Nov 28 15:22:20 It's a feature that is probably pointless, but I want it there for completeness. Nov 28 15:22:29 alterego: yeah, you've mentioned it yesterday Nov 28 15:22:36 anybody using power kernel along with sip? Nov 28 15:22:51 Well, for some reason it has stopped working, complaining "Device or resource busy" :/ Nov 28 15:23:16 alterego: it stopped working just out of the blue? Nov 28 15:23:26 alterego: that's weird Nov 28 15:23:29 Yeah, or, it stopped working out of the bluetooth :P Nov 28 15:23:36 :D Nov 28 15:25:06 fortunately I won't have to work in my next semester, so I'll probably have more time for the community and everything Nov 28 15:25:14 Cool, Nov 28 15:25:27 As far as your homework project is concerned, what kind of tech do you want to work with? Nov 28 15:25:45 alterego: qt for sure Nov 28 15:25:56 I meant a little beyond that ;) Nov 28 15:26:15 networking, web services, sensors, geo-location. Nov 28 15:26:15 alterego: well it is suposed to be something not trivial Nov 28 15:26:19 Something a little more lower level. Nov 28 15:27:00 the current idea is a gps tracker app, but sine there are more than one already, I'm not very happy with this idea Nov 28 15:27:19 Heh, yeah, mine does that ;) Nov 28 15:27:36 yeah, yours is one of them Nov 28 15:27:58 anyway, I haven't a clue what I should do Nov 28 15:29:34 alterego: I was thinking about an RSS app too Nov 28 15:30:02 alterego: but I'm not sure if it would qualify as non-trivial Nov 28 15:30:29 Ah fixed it :) Nov 28 15:30:52 congrats alterego :) Nov 28 15:31:48 Next to add a nice little device selection dialog. Nov 28 15:32:03 So you can choose which bluetooth device to use, rather than enter it's BT address. Nov 28 15:32:49 Then it'll display open channels, and away you go :) Nov 28 15:33:06 thought you said you're not working on it today :P Nov 28 15:33:40 Changed my mind,. Nov 28 15:35:28 :D Nov 28 15:46:22 alterego: so any ideas? Nov 28 15:52:01 Just thought of something cool, a bluetooth mesh network :) Nov 28 15:52:24 mesh network? Nov 28 15:52:28 what's that? Nov 28 15:52:29 Though you probably don't have a, erm, significant number of devices to make it impressive. Nov 28 15:53:08 Well, like a chat program that allows you to talk to any connected bluetooth device, that's connected to you or a peer. Nov 28 15:53:17 oh, yeah Nov 28 15:53:32 someone already does this as his homework :( Nov 28 15:53:47 Oh, ghey :( Nov 28 15:54:06 I wonder if he's doing daisy chaining too. Nov 28 15:54:29 You could have an infinite number of devices connected :) Nov 28 15:54:33 although the guy might have given up on bluetooth, I dunno Nov 28 15:54:40 Heh Nov 28 15:54:44 what's daisy chaining? Nov 28 15:54:47 Hrm Nov 28 15:54:58 O -- O -- O -- O -- O -- O -- O -- O Nov 28 15:55:09 A while ago I was going to work on a web interface to the N900 Nov 28 15:55:23 what sort of web interface? Nov 28 15:55:57 Well, each device works as a host/relay so when someone sends it, you recieve the message and pass it on to all connected peers. Nov 28 15:56:34 ugh, that routing thing is tough Nov 28 15:56:39 So you can use bluetooth to allow everyone that's within a five meter radius of anyone else to connect. Nov 28 15:56:40 what if someone in the middle disconnects Nov 28 15:57:11 Yeah, well timestamps, buffers and a custome sdp service. Nov 28 15:57:16 also go look at the ds' pictochat :) Nov 28 15:58:01 yeah, mesh networks usually have some crippling flaws Nov 28 15:58:06 Venemo_N900: a web interface that allows you to do everything the phone can do, look up contacts, send sms' calendar that sort of thing. Nov 28 15:58:10 alterego: I would prefer a server-client architecture Nov 28 15:58:28 but then, torrents in some ways are mesh, along with tor, skype and some large wifi deployments Nov 28 15:58:32 oh, nice Nov 28 15:58:33 Venemo_N900: it is, but each node is a server and a client. Nov 28 15:58:42 oh Nov 28 15:58:50 well I might read up on it Nov 28 15:58:52 sorta like ad-hoc on wifi Nov 28 15:58:53 Means you only have to write one program too ;) Nov 28 15:59:16 * alterego looks at his list of app ideas. Nov 28 16:00:05 rtcomm/telepathy plugin for facebook messages (not chat) something more like email. Nov 28 16:03:13 The web interface is something cool though, I started working on a small prototype in Python. Nov 28 16:03:26 :) Nov 28 16:03:28 Not really a Qt app though Nov 28 16:03:42 Unless you want to implement your own Qt based HTTP server as well. Nov 28 16:04:05 i imagine qt mobility would be pretty good for that... might even port to symbian Nov 28 16:04:06 :D Nov 28 16:04:15 would be very useful for stalking people Nov 28 16:04:29 ieatlint? Nov 28 16:04:52 remotely connect and view their messages, phone call history, contacts, calendar.. :P Nov 28 16:05:15 lol Nov 28 16:05:34 would've saved a lot of trouble for the ex-bf of a friend of mine Nov 28 16:05:58 Heh Nov 28 16:06:06 Nokia released something similar for Symbian S60 Nov 28 16:06:06 lol :D Nov 28 16:06:21 Was quite cool, used python and apache unusually :) Nov 28 16:06:57 "Mobile Web Server" Nov 28 16:06:59 ? Nov 28 16:07:05 Yeah, Nov 28 16:07:05 it bricked my old N95 lol Nov 28 16:07:15 Hah, worked fine for me on my N95 and N96 :) Nov 28 16:07:40 :) Nov 28 16:07:52 i seem to recall that for my old n80... was laggy as hell, and only offered minimal functionality as i recall Nov 28 16:08:06 left the phone unusable while running Nov 28 16:08:09 Yeah, sometimes it was really crap ;) Nov 28 16:11:11 Venemo_N900: other than that I'm not sure I've got any other ideas for you :( Nov 28 16:11:47 alterego: what more is on your list of app ideas? Nov 28 16:12:36 Deviant art sharing service Nov 28 16:12:44 SSH sharing service Nov 28 16:13:17 link local SIP client Nov 28 16:13:26 Local voice mailbox Nov 28 16:13:51 And an app that can use the power/charging indicator led to flash activity when plugged in as a usb storage device. Nov 28 16:13:52 local voice mailbox? Nov 28 16:14:19 Yeah, basically when someone rings you, if you don't answer, it plays a recorded message, beeps, then records the phone call. Nov 28 16:14:26 that would be nice, though that would be more of a daemon right? Nov 28 16:14:30 So you don't have to pay for calling up your operators' mailbox. Nov 28 16:14:34 oh Nov 28 16:14:34 Yeah Nov 28 16:14:43 * MohammadAG liked those apps Nov 28 16:14:58 :) Nov 28 16:15:10 That's pretty much it. Nov 28 16:15:20 (All my project ideas) Nov 28 16:15:33 call detected -> fire a timer -> timer finishes -> pick up call, forward all mic input to some prerecorded file, forward all output to file -> save in db Nov 28 16:15:35 hehe :) Nov 28 16:15:58 is there an api for that? Nov 28 16:16:16 There are a couple of much larger projects, but those aren't interesting to any of you, they're targetted specifically to a closed market. Nov 28 16:16:21 dbus Nov 28 16:16:27 Heh :) Nov 28 16:16:28 yes -> yes -> yes -> yes -> hmm(?) -> yes, yes Nov 28 16:16:47 hmm(?) part is alsa and pulseaudio Nov 28 16:17:13 I was also thinking of using my fft implementation to detect DTMF tones and allow you to "program" an automated menu system. :) Nov 28 16:17:23 alterego: what closed market? Nov 28 16:19:27 Well, by closed I mean specifically targetted towards non-users :P Nov 28 16:19:48 Basically a couple of applications oriented towards security services and the police. Nov 28 16:19:54 alterego: non-users? Nov 28 16:20:00 alterego: oh Nov 28 16:20:19 well I like the bluetooth messaging idea Nov 28 16:20:28 I started working on them when I used to work at Tyco, but stopped when I got made redundant, I do plan on contuinuing the work and selling the product to either Tyco or some other companies I know that do a similar line of business. Nov 28 16:20:37 Venemo_N900: yeah, that's a good project to do. Nov 28 16:20:47 I was going to call it "Blue Buddy" Nov 28 16:20:48 will look if there's a properly documented API for BT Nov 28 16:20:54 :) Nov 28 16:21:04 It also had the ability to notify you when a known bdaddr (friend) comes into proximity. Nov 28 16:21:09 i how do i press escape in maemo ? Nov 28 16:21:22 troulouliou: you don't Nov 28 16:21:28 hey guys Nov 28 16:21:32 Venemo_N900: Qt mobility 1.2 has a connectivity API with bluetooth for symbian, windows and linux. Nov 28 16:21:35 troulouliou, press the back button on n8x0 Nov 28 16:21:41 troulouliou: you can remap the keyboard though Nov 28 16:21:42 I implemented my own bluetooth stuff, but you should use that. Nov 28 16:21:47 is there a consensus about what IR control app is best for N900? Nov 28 16:21:47 that should work on maemo3 and 4 *grin* Nov 28 16:21:51 (as you're not planning to sell yours. Nov 28 16:22:08 alterego: sounds nice Nov 28 16:22:17 toresbe: well I use QtIrreco Nov 28 16:22:31 alterego: I'll look at the api Nov 28 16:22:40 I am really annoyed with the irreco interface Nov 28 16:23:00 it is horrendous Nov 28 16:23:03 alterego: should it be a conversations plugin or a separate app? Nov 28 16:23:23 Well, conversatiosn doesn't allow for group chat does it? Nov 28 16:23:28 Venemo_N900: i have ported a full screen 3D app to maemo Nov 28 16:23:40 So it'll have to be a simple Qt ui as well. Nov 28 16:23:49 alterego: it does for Skype Nov 28 16:23:54 is there any screeshot app ; to post the result ? Nov 28 16:24:10 troulouliou: ctrl+shift+P Nov 28 16:24:17 troulouliou: that's print screen Nov 28 16:24:19 Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of docscrutinizer) Nov 28 16:24:34 yeah nice :) Nov 28 16:24:37 troulouliou: will make a screen shot to the images/screenshots directory Nov 28 16:25:07 troulouliou: as for esc, modifying the keybinding shouldn't be hard after porting an app Nov 28 16:25:23 yes sure Nov 28 16:25:28 DocScrutinizer: thx for bringing us infobot :P Nov 28 16:26:02 troulouliou: there is an onscreen esc in the xterm app, but other than that, there is no esc key on the N900 Nov 28 16:26:21 troulouliou: most ports use the backspace button instead Nov 28 16:27:10 ok will map to backspace Nov 28 16:27:10 * kerio has his own xkbd set up to *have* escape Nov 28 16:28:05 btw gles1.0 seems really slow on N900 upon firs test Nov 28 16:29:36 what if you were coding in a ferrari? would it go fast then? Nov 28 16:31:13 no but maybe the gles1.0 is just a POC compared to gles2.0 Nov 28 16:31:13 lcuk, I like your sense of humor Nov 28 16:31:32 well then use gles2 Nov 28 16:31:36 i think the gpu has been built for gles2.0 Nov 28 16:31:42 no that easy to port :) Nov 28 16:31:43 yeah Nov 28 16:31:47 on the roadmap Nov 28 16:32:24 :) Nov 28 16:32:32 what app is it btw? Nov 28 16:32:52 t [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] Nov 28 16:32:53 16:21 -!- Bash1 [~Bash@94-193-105-245.zone7.bethere.cot [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] Nov 28 16:32:53 game using Ogre3D Nov 28 16:33:00 oops Nov 28 16:33:09 What the hell was that? Nov 28 16:33:21 ok, but what game? Nov 28 16:33:57 Venemo_N900: http://code.google.com/p/gamekit/ Nov 28 16:34:29 gk i using a copy version of ogre 1.7.2 Nov 28 16:34:48 mhm Nov 28 16:34:51 support for a rendersystem using gles2.0/ egl is in pretty unstable devlopment Nov 28 16:35:44 * Bash1 thinks he has an admirer :P Nov 28 16:35:57 or stalker* Nov 28 16:37:59 Bash1, no, we just use Bash as a programming language around here :P Nov 28 16:38:40 MohammadAG, we do? Nov 28 16:39:04 #!/bin/bash Nov 28 16:39:13 MohammadAG: any idea why pulse audio consumes high cpu in Power kernel compared to stock in a sip call? Nov 28 16:39:53 nope, I'm not involved in kernel-power Nov 28 16:39:57 ask titan Nov 28 16:40:31 does he use irc? Nov 28 16:43:20 no Nov 28 16:43:26 ~seen t-tan Nov 28 16:43:29 t-tan <~tanner@e179094244.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 169d 20h 54m 25s ago, saying: 'smoking hot device?'. Nov 28 16:44:07 ^proof that overclocking is bad Nov 28 16:44:08 i wonder if anybody uses power kernel along with sip here. Nov 28 16:44:41 kerio: unless power kernel overclocks by default, i didnt do any overclocking Nov 28 16:44:47 trumee: i do, but rarely Nov 28 16:45:25 my sipnumber is forwarded to gsm most ofthe time Nov 28 16:45:44 steinex: sip call using g711 uses 60% in power-kernel compared to 40% in stock. Nov 28 16:46:42 steinex: do you use ulaw codec? Nov 28 16:47:06 trumee: i think not Nov 28 16:47:47 Feds "Cultivated" Christmas Tree Bomber For 18 Months http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAONzQdubXA Nov 28 16:51:20 ARGH IRRECO Nov 28 16:51:32 I am so patching the hell out of this Nov 28 16:52:44 alterego: what would you think about a puzzle game that generates a puzzle from an image on the device? Nov 28 16:53:15 Yeah, that's a cool idea :) Nov 28 16:53:28 Really cool idea, you could do it in Qt Quick ;) Nov 28 16:53:37 really? Nov 28 16:53:49 * Venemo_N900 has never tried Qt Quick? Nov 28 16:53:57 Actually don't bother. Nov 28 16:54:05 qt quick is just another name for QML right? Nov 28 16:54:10 There's no way to tell Qt Quick to "position" the image to get the right segment. Nov 28 16:54:14 Yeah Nov 28 16:54:18 QML sorry ;) Nov 28 16:54:34 Do it in Qt, and make sure you use lots of QPropertyAnimations for the tiles :D Nov 28 16:54:34 I was thinking of incorporating some OpenGL Nov 28 16:54:46 what is that? Nov 28 16:56:32 It allows you to do some really cool animation effects. Nov 28 16:57:20 For instance, you create a QPropertyAnimation on the "geometry" property of a QWidget, and when a user clicks on a tile, it sets the geometry through the QPropertyAnimation to move the tile pressed into the open slot. Nov 28 16:57:33 Within a specified duration. Nov 28 16:57:55 so it is like animations in WPF Nov 28 16:57:55 And you can set easing curves, which allow you to do bounce effects and all sorts. That's what I'd do :) Nov 28 16:58:02 or Silverlight Nov 28 16:58:10 Yeah, it's an animation framework. Nov 28 16:58:14 It's basically what QML is based on. Nov 28 16:58:41 do you have a link for this animation framework? Nov 28 16:58:48 I use it in Columbus for all my animations, when the user taps on my screen, I use a bounce easing curve to display my tool buttons. Adds a little bit of funk to the UX :) Nov 28 16:59:00 It's all in the generic Qt documentation Nov 28 16:59:02 hehe, yeah Nov 28 16:59:34 We used to make all sorts of animations like that in Silverlight at my previous workplace Nov 28 17:00:05 QPropertyAnimation is really nice and flexible, as it allows you to animate an objects property for any type that can be used by QVariant. Nov 28 17:00:20 Which includes colors, points, rectangles :) Nov 28 17:00:20 that's nice Nov 28 17:00:28 yep Nov 28 17:00:36 sounds like SL Nov 28 17:00:46 :) Nov 28 17:01:14 the place and the app we worked on was flawed in many ways Nov 28 17:01:43 but ultimatly it was the salary I got from them that allowed me to get an N900 :P Nov 28 17:02:23 Nice :) Nov 28 17:02:24 alterego: what should I look for in the Qt docs? Nov 28 17:02:48 http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.7/animation.html Nov 28 17:02:59 oh, thx Nov 28 17:03:04 That's a really good idea for an app though Venemo_N900 I hope you do it. Nov 28 17:03:09 Hours and hours of fun :) Nov 28 17:03:18 didn't find it in http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/modules.html Nov 28 17:03:39 It's part of QtGui Nov 28 17:03:46 thx alterego Nov 28 17:04:31 np Nov 28 17:04:40 oh, ok Nov 28 17:04:48 yeah Nov 28 17:04:54 which reminds me Nov 28 17:05:15 I'll have to fix the text input class in Qt Nov 28 17:05:19 for Maemo Nov 28 17:11:06 alterego: remember the bugs I told you yesterday? Nov 28 17:12:20 ( does this look wrong? int BPL = (value / 100 * 255);) use value * 255 / 100 ! Nov 28 17:12:46 DocScrutinizer, already solved it, SpeedEvil mentioned that :) Nov 28 17:18:26 and never even dare to think you might need real/float/whatever your langs name for that, just because you're lazy to think what's happening in integre arithmetics Nov 28 17:21:25 as long as you have to cpe with less than ~2^28 discrete possible values of a var, you *never* must use real Nov 28 17:21:33 cope* Nov 28 17:22:41 h m Nov 28 17:23:17 wohoooooooooo Nov 28 17:23:33 what's up Noobmonkey_ ? Nov 28 17:23:44 just completed the sensor checking screen for healthcheck :P Nov 28 17:23:55 shows all availablia variables in real times for the sensors :) Nov 28 17:24:03 :) Nov 28 17:24:12 sounds very nic Nov 28 17:24:12 sounds very nice Nov 28 17:24:15 i like it when things go smoothly :) Nov 28 17:24:31 :) Nov 28 17:24:34 using qtmobility, when it works, things really can be easy! Nov 28 17:25:09 just a case of a list box listing all available, then two more, one for static properties, and one for the changeable ones :) :) - taken about 3 hours to fit it on the screen though! Nov 28 17:25:26 :) Nov 28 17:28:44 camera, media, sound and led's to go! :P Nov 28 17:28:53 oh and gps, bluetooth too lol Nov 28 17:29:10 hehe Nov 28 17:29:29 still coding it in Python? Nov 28 17:29:37 naaa c++/qt :) - another fresh start Nov 28 17:29:44 :( Nov 28 17:30:00 screenies from last week here - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45453&page=78&highlight=healthcheck Nov 28 17:30:03 lol kerio Nov 28 17:30:12 Noobmonkey_: I'm proud of you Nov 28 17:30:28 hey Nov 28 17:30:31 Venemo_N900, it wasnt that python wasnt good enough, but i struggle hand drawing the screens, finally got a setup with qtcreator that means i can work on the gui easier Nov 28 17:30:34 Setting up docstogo (2.000.315) ... Nov 28 17:30:35 kerio is a Python zealot, but don't worry Nov 28 17:30:43 lol :) - i like python, was v easy Nov 28 17:30:44 Unknown media type in type 'sketch/png' Nov 28 17:30:46 :( Nov 28 17:30:53 but might as well start learning 2 languages in 1 year ;) Nov 28 17:31:10 ooo Afteris just remined me of one more check, mime types :) Nov 28 17:31:41 oh, and fm radio transmitter! darn they just keep coming Nov 28 17:31:55 sorry Noobmonkey_, the connection here is crap, can't watch your screenshots Nov 28 17:32:10 ahhh :p fair enough :) Nov 28 17:32:20 wiould love some feedback when you get time :) Nov 28 17:32:22 would* Nov 28 17:33:03 you'll get it when I get home Nov 28 17:33:10 right, roast dinner to be ready for 5 people in 30 mins, better go check on it! Nov 28 17:33:16 back in a bit! Nov 28 17:56:16 lcuk, what do you think about the puzzle game idea? Nov 28 18:04:44 My n800 is acting a bit oddly. Here's a dmesg log http://pastebin.ca/2004684 . Several things look interesting Nov 28 18:05:38 line 121: # [ 46.039062] onenand_wait: correctable ECC error = 0x0004 Nov 28 18:06:07 line 126: # [ 54.906250] JFFS2 warning: (1262) jffs2_sum_write_sumnode: Not enough space for summary, padsize = -584 Nov 28 18:07:27 a whole bunch of lines like this: # [ 292.289062] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled Nov 28 18:07:38 and this: # [ 294.789062] EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled Nov 28 18:08:12 Is this normal (I admit that I only looked at dmesg when the n800 became sick)? Nov 28 18:09:08 DHR: we would need to know what you mean by 'sick' Nov 28 18:11:03 also see Nov 28 18:11:10 ~flashing Nov 28 18:11:10 flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 28 18:11:39 DHR: how much rootfs space do you have? Nov 28 18:12:12 fair enough. My wife has been using it as an mp3 player. Application: canola. It takes forever to go into a playlist now. I'm still exploring. Nov 28 18:13:49 root is 78% full Nov 28 18:14:20 (I'm not good at IRC. I typed / is 78% full and wondered why it didn't show up) Nov 28 18:14:45 no problem DHR Nov 28 18:15:12 I recommend to try a full reflash, and reformat memory cards if any Nov 28 18:15:36 if the problem persists, I'll pass the question to someone more knowledgeable Nov 28 18:16:39 What's the best load for an n800 these days. I realize that is a matter of opinion, but I'd like any thoughts you might have. Nov 28 18:17:40 Am I correct in my guess that the ECC message is about the built-in NAND flash? Nov 28 18:17:56 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/telescope/ Nov 28 18:18:03 I believe it to be so, yes Nov 28 18:18:18 'reformatting' - reflashing might help Nov 28 18:18:38 thanks, Venemo_N900 and SpeedEvil Nov 28 18:19:10 hey Nov 28 18:19:15 it snowed here! Nov 28 18:20:19 It's also snowed here. Nov 28 18:20:28 The most interesting state on the n800 is the collection of canola playlists. Do you know if there is an easy way to rescue them before I reflash? If you don't know, I'll explore. Nov 28 18:20:58 DHR, maybe you can save them to your pc? Nov 28 18:21:05 DHR: That error from jffs is that it's run out of space to store the 'bad block' list Nov 28 18:21:19 DHR: this is not in principle a terminal failure Nov 28 18:21:37 DHR: but I'm not sure how you go about reformatting the jffs Nov 28 18:21:43 not much snow here (Toronto). SpeedEvil: where's "here"? Nov 28 18:21:49 I've never had a n800, so can't answer this. Nov 28 18:21:53 Fife, Scotland. Nov 28 18:22:25 I presume JFFS is in internal NAND so I'd guess reflashing would fix it. Nov 28 18:22:44 yes Nov 28 18:24:36 I've not heard of Fife, but have heard of Fifeshire. I presume that is the county containing a city called Fife. Nov 28 18:25:08 http://code.google.com/p/gamekit/issues/detail?id=120 Nov 28 18:26:58 Fifeshire is basically as correct as calling Ontario a state. Nov 28 18:27:05 Shire is an english thing. Nov 28 18:27:23 oops. Nov 28 18:28:03 Doesn't especially bother me. :) Nov 28 18:28:29 * SpeedEvil wishes for a decent music player on n900. Nov 28 18:28:40 That and England isn't really big enough for states. Nov 28 18:28:40 I should probably try the existing ones. Nov 28 18:28:48 States are more like Scotland and Wales Nov 28 18:28:48 The built-in one is silly. Nov 28 18:29:05 Scotland, Wales are countries. Nov 28 18:29:37 The united kingdom is composed of the three united kingdoms of scotland, england, and wales, with one king. (well, queen). And northern ireland. Nov 28 18:30:19 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star,_Fife - teeny village. Nov 28 18:30:24 Well - quite small anyway. Nov 28 18:30:25 yeah Nov 28 18:30:34 there is an English phrase "provinces" as in "from the provinces", which seems to mean "from some backwater". Nov 28 18:31:52 good news: my train has arrived Nov 28 18:32:00 and it's snowing here :) Nov 28 18:32:14 here == some place in Hungary? Nov 28 18:34:07 DHR, yes Nov 28 18:34:08 specifically Budapest Nov 28 18:34:26 I'm in the metro now Nov 28 18:35:36 I must say, irc is a very good way to pass the time when I'm on a train Nov 28 18:41:35 Hi folks, I've got a N900 PR1.3 with a few .mp3 and .ogg files in my Music folder. I can browse and play both types, but in the Media Player, the .ogg files doesn't show Nov 28 18:41:43 Known issue? Known quick fix? Nov 28 18:42:41 messerting: have you installed the extra decoders package? Nov 28 18:43:51 messerting: tracker being the usual dick Nov 28 18:45:11 kerio: the extra decoders support package is what adds .oggs to tracker afaik Nov 28 18:45:44 He would be able to play them if he didn't have some kind of extra off support. Nov 28 18:45:52 try rebuilding the db Nov 28 18:45:59 tracker-processes -something Nov 28 18:46:26 alterego: umm? Nov 28 18:46:46 s/off/ogg/ Nov 28 18:46:47 alterego meant: He would be able to play them if he didn't have some kind of extra ogg support. Nov 28 18:47:06 s/would/wouldn't/ ;) Nov 28 18:47:21 ok Nov 28 18:47:23 :P Nov 28 18:49:30 hm Nov 28 18:49:35 butterfly seems to no longer work for me :( Nov 28 18:50:22 which plugin do you guys use for MSN? Nov 28 18:53:15 messerting, did it work in PR1.2? if so see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11511 Nov 28 18:53:16 Bug 11511: Media player doesn't show Ogg files after PR1.3 upgrade Nov 28 18:58:46 andre__: interesting Nov 28 18:59:01 andre__: how is it that it shows oggs for me in pr1.3 Nov 28 18:59:29 who the fuck is ~mrg@unaffiliated/mintux Nov 28 19:00:19 ~seen mintux Nov 28 19:00:27 mintux <~user@unaffiliated/mintux> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 70d 22h 55m 56s ago, saying: 'if i clicked on settings icon i can see close icon on the shortcuts but shortcuts doesn't appear'. Nov 28 19:00:47 MohammadAG: username mintux, he's connected now Nov 28 19:03:09 Oh, just remembered it's MWKN night Nov 28 19:03:19 GAN900: ping Nov 28 19:04:01 MWKN=? Nov 28 19:08:06 Venemo_N900, Maemo WeeKly News Nov 28 19:08:11 messerting: bottomline is, uninstalling ogg-support and reinstalling it should fix the issue. Nov 28 19:08:23 thx MohammadAG Nov 28 19:11:49 andre__ and Venemo_N900: Sorry for disappearing - thanks for the replies! I will check the report and resinstall ogg-support I guess :) Nov 28 19:13:04 you're welcome messerting Nov 28 19:19:12 back in a bit! Nov 28 19:19:34 hello Noobmonkey_ :) Nov 28 19:23:03 I did "apt-get remove ogg-support", and that took away two other packages which I now have forgot the name of. Anyone knows where the log is? The scrollback history was too short... Nov 28 19:23:29 My /var/log/dpkg.log is empty Nov 28 19:24:14 Jaffa: can you add the gpodder 2.10 announcement to mwkn if i write it before midnight? Nov 28 19:24:19 (Intrestingly, my /var/log/lastlog is more than 8 MB now...) Nov 28 19:25:08 messerting: huh, did you close the terminal since then? Nov 28 19:25:59 Still have the terminal open, but not enough scrollback Nov 28 19:26:17 when I removed the package(s), tracker started parsing my .ogg files... Nov 28 19:26:20 ouch Nov 28 19:26:30 well then go to http://maemo.org/packages Nov 28 19:26:48 search for ogg support and see what depends on it Nov 28 19:26:48 So, there is no log? Nov 28 19:26:57 okay, good idea Nov 28 19:26:58 thank Nov 28 19:27:00 s Nov 28 19:28:47 maemo-mapper was one of them :) Nov 28 19:29:01 I dunno what log woud provide this, sorry Nov 28 19:32:37 nah, I arrived home Nov 28 19:33:01 will be back soon Nov 28 19:33:03 bb Nov 28 19:33:17 Ah, at least my .ogg files are back in Media Player. Thanks Venemo_N900, kerio, alterego Nov 28 19:34:12 hello Nov 28 19:34:30 MohammadAG: hye, what a big bug, same problem as yesterday :s Nov 28 19:39:05 hey Nov 28 19:39:20 Noobmonkey_: you can send me those screenshots now :) Nov 28 19:39:41 back :) Nov 28 19:39:45 and good timing lol Nov 28 19:39:53 :P Nov 28 19:39:55 yeah Nov 28 19:40:00 just got home Nov 28 19:40:07 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45453&page=78 Nov 28 19:40:28 they where taken a few days ago, so a bit has changed, but its not far off :) Nov 28 19:42:47 Noobmonkey_: ok, I got a few thought about 'em Nov 28 19:42:52 Noobmonkey_: interested? :P Nov 28 19:43:14 yeah go for it :) Nov 28 19:43:42 first, I like the blue design, it looks nice Nov 28 19:43:43 then Nov 28 19:43:48 so this one seems to be full of graphics bugs: so this one seems to be full of gr Nov 28 19:43:51 ouch Nov 28 19:44:04 so this one seems to be full of graphics bugs: http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/60q1h432/Selection_009.png Nov 28 19:44:12 ahh yeah Nov 28 19:44:17 that one hasn't been sorted yet Nov 28 19:44:25 and this is also "not there yet": http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/6tma43gs/Selection_010.png Nov 28 19:44:45 I recommend to either use the actual theme in the device, or fully customize it Nov 28 19:44:49 but not inbetween Nov 28 19:44:50 hehe i haven't added any styling to any list boxes yet Nov 28 19:45:03 yep, noticed :) Nov 28 19:45:07 only to the labels and backgrounds :P Nov 28 19:45:17 got a way to go to sort out the hard ones :P Nov 28 19:45:23 and one more thing: http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/na6qjae6/Selection_015.png -> I have a much better dialog for you Nov 28 19:45:44 theres a better dialog? - in built, or custom? Nov 28 19:45:54 Noobmonkey_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:HeSimpleColorDialog.png Nov 28 19:46:03 Noobmonkey_: it can have an "Advanced" button too Nov 28 19:46:05 oooooo Nov 28 19:46:11 thats snazzy! Nov 28 19:46:33 Noobmonkey_: the advanced button allows for fully customized editing with this other dialog: http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:HeColorDialog.png Nov 28 19:46:41 cool! Nov 28 19:46:55 Noobmonkey_: all you need to do is just add a library, include a header, and call a method Nov 28 19:47:03 cool!!! :) Nov 28 19:47:07 will take a look through! Nov 28 19:47:16 thank you ! :) Nov 28 19:47:18 Noobmonkey_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon-Extras#Qt_integration Nov 28 19:48:21 Noobmonkey_: for an example on how to call it, see http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/sticky-notes/sticky-notes/dialogs.cpp Nov 28 19:48:22 :) Nov 28 19:48:56 nice, and easy too :) ty! Nov 28 19:49:30 Noobmonkey_: the final task is to add your app to this list: http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon-Extras#List_of_applications_using_Hildon-Extras Nov 28 19:49:40 hehe once i use it i will :P Nov 28 19:49:46 still got alot to do and tidy up! Nov 28 19:49:51 Noobmonkey_: okay :) Nov 28 19:50:03 Noobmonkey_: you can also use the other stuff in it if you like 'em Nov 28 19:50:11 yeah liking the about one :P Nov 28 19:50:25 Noobmonkey_: that is also very easy to call Nov 28 19:50:41 Noobmonkey_: another single method call from the same header file Nov 28 19:50:53 yeah can see from your code! Nov 28 19:50:59 V impressive, i like easy things! Nov 28 19:51:36 Noobmonkey_: me too, that's why I made it easy :) Nov 28 19:51:42 :P hehehe Nov 28 19:51:48 Noobmonkey_: (I was the one who created the Qt bindings for them) Nov 28 19:51:56 ahhhhhhhhhhh! :) :) :) Nov 28 19:52:02 continuity is a great thing :) Nov 28 19:52:05 well done! Nov 28 19:52:36 here is an example dialog with the about button Nov 28 19:52:40 Noobmonkey_: http://kepfeltoltes.hu/view/100721/Screenshot-20100721-083929_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.png Nov 28 19:52:48 Noobmonkey_: what do you mean by continuity: Nov 28 19:52:56 Noobmonkey_: ? Nov 28 19:53:28 I mean, allowing developers to use the same screens, "Maemo Continuity" therefore users know what things do in apps they haven't used :) Nov 28 19:53:42 ie the about button, colour screens etc Nov 28 19:53:54 Noobmonkey_: oh yeah :) Nov 28 19:54:01 Noobmonkey_: it is a great thing, and this is a great UI Nov 28 19:54:13 Noobmonkey_: this is the very reason I contributed to the team Nov 28 19:54:21 :D Nov 28 19:57:04 nah, I'm off now... going to my favourite timesink :P Nov 28 19:57:42 (which is Starcraft 2) Nov 28 19:57:56 hehe Nov 28 19:58:03 a gamer :D Nov 28 19:58:33 merlin1991: just a casual one :P Nov 28 19:58:56 I'm off to my not so fav timesink Nov 28 19:58:58 Venemo: did you watch dreamhack? Nov 28 19:59:02 crimping cables Nov 28 19:59:22 ooh i want a crimper Nov 28 19:59:23 :( Nov 28 20:02:13 I want no cables Nov 28 20:02:22 kerio: http://i53.tinypic.com/chjig.jpg Nov 28 20:02:49 is that steel Nov 28 20:02:58 why do i only have plastic plugs :( Nov 28 20:03:35 got them for 14€ for 100 pices Nov 28 20:11:42 Jaffa, pong. Nov 28 20:12:56 GAN900: Just checking your availability rhis evening. I've just got in from lbt's... Nov 28 20:14:16 Jaffa, reasonably high. Just napped away the last 4 hours with a cold. Nov 28 20:15:49 Sounds nice... Nov 28 20:15:56 Apart from the cold bit Nov 28 20:16:15 Hardest sleep I've ever had in my night Nov 28 20:16:18 Er Nov 28 20:16:28 Lucidity is, apparently, fleeting. Nov 28 20:16:46 Want to import from twitter, send me a link and I'll take it from there? Nov 28 20:20:26 GAN900: Will do once kids are in bed Nov 28 20:20:45 Jaffa, OK. Nov 28 20:26:04 kerio: there's clearly defined cases where you MUST use shielded plugs (steel) on both ends, and there's also clearly defined cases where you MUST use plastic unshileded plug at one end of cable (if you have any shielding braid in cable at all) Nov 28 20:26:28 you really like rfc 11something huh Nov 28 20:31:25 i heard you like freenode so we disconnected your server so you reconnect to freenode Nov 28 20:31:38 haha Nov 28 20:32:14 anyway thanks for that, thought it's been me and my DSL Nov 28 20:32:31 oh, you run a freenode server? Nov 28 20:32:55 no, but my server disconnected me :-P Nov 28 20:35:30 heh Nov 28 20:48:16 hi Nov 28 20:58:24 hey Nov 28 20:58:44 mwhy is channel not renamed to maem-r.i.p =) Nov 28 21:04:17 kerio, I didn't what is it? Nov 28 21:06:49 big EU sc2 tournament with lots of international players Nov 28 21:06:52 (including koreans) Nov 28 21:07:01 day9/d.apollo casted Nov 28 21:07:31 lots of crazy games happened Nov 28 21:07:43 haha, wikileaks.org "down" Nov 28 21:07:54 worksforme Nov 28 21:09:19 not down, just `overloaded' Nov 28 21:09:27 well of course :) Nov 28 21:09:32 yeah, I guess it's paricularly overloaded from German locations Nov 28 21:10:17 http://www.guardian.co.uk/ Nov 28 21:10:50 GAN900: Link pasted. Not done anything to it yet Nov 28 21:11:48 hi Nov 28 21:20:08 Is this text over at http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/tips/calendar-and-contacts/ supposed to be a joke? Nov 28 21:20:19 Under Linux it says "Connect directly to an Exchange (Outlook) server, ..." Nov 28 21:22:46 I think they mean evolution. Nov 28 21:26:18 a lot of people look for exchange server compatibility... Nov 28 21:26:34 not sure if the n900 has it, does it? :/ Nov 28 21:26:42 it does, AFAIK Nov 28 21:29:21 i think so too, but be aware that an exchange client also means the admin is `permitted' to remotely wipe your phone... Nov 28 21:29:31 the exchange admin i mean Nov 28 21:30:51 hehe, true Nov 28 21:30:58 I wonder if *that* is supported Nov 28 21:31:10 yes, again, AFAIK Nov 28 21:31:13 damn Nov 28 21:31:23 doc|home, i think its required by the `standard' Nov 28 21:31:26 heh Nov 28 21:31:30 imap ftw Nov 28 21:31:36 right Nov 28 21:32:03 remote wipe isn't supported Nov 28 21:32:08 oh? Nov 28 21:32:12 can I change the "user" default name for my account? Nov 28 21:32:16 MfE is in a pretty poor state Nov 28 21:32:31 blackthorne: how so? Nov 28 21:32:46 blackthorne: the user's name? or as in the login? Nov 28 21:33:43 For example, when I send SMS in the conversation Nov 28 21:33:52 I see "user" as my contact name Nov 28 21:34:00 or when I log in to IRC, "user" is the default nickname Nov 28 21:35:39 you should be able to change your name in the Conversations app, but probably not in IRC Nov 28 21:43:21 in the conversations, where? Nov 28 21:49:26 Hello Nov 28 21:49:38 i got a strange error on Maemo with QMessageBox Nov 28 21:49:52 if i call it twice ... the UI seems freeze Nov 28 21:50:04 someone already notice this problem ? Nov 28 21:53:14 khertan_: what do you mean call it twice? Nov 28 21:53:52 two instance of QMessageBox Nov 28 21:54:03 that are running at the same time Nov 28 21:54:46 so, QMessageBox box1; QMessageBox box2; box1.setText("Hello"); box2.setText("How are you?"); box1.exec(); box2.exec(); ? Nov 28 21:55:07 exactly Nov 28 21:55:26 haven't noticed an issue Nov 28 21:55:27 on Maemo it s impossible to validate first or second ... Nov 28 21:55:34 Qt 4.6? Nov 28 21:55:46 PR1.3 so Qt4.7 Nov 28 21:56:54 What happens if you kill the first box before calling exec on the second one? Nov 28 21:58:55 khertan_: { QMessageBox box1; box1.setText("Hello"); box1.exec(); } { QMessageBox box2; box2.setText("How are you?"); box2.exec(); } Nov 28 21:59:04 Heh, the app thinks I've travelled .2 mi .. Nov 28 21:59:23 (adding an additional scope layer, forcing the call to the destructor before going further) Nov 28 22:00:01 crashanddie, i found the problem ... the second one was called in a QTimer.singleshot ... Nov 28 22:00:26 it s funny that on Maemo it s a problem while it s not on a desktop Nov 28 22:01:14 crashanddie, a reason why i like more and more pyqt : http://khertan.net/_media/khweeteur_on_xfce.png Nov 28 22:01:16 :) Nov 28 22:01:34 i heard someone complaining that it's cold, so i linked them this: http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/EFHK.html Nov 28 22:01:34 i just need to study now how libnotify works Nov 28 22:01:44 what do you guys think, cold or not? Nov 28 22:01:55 khertan_: i know, you posted the link earlier Nov 28 22:01:59 ;à Nov 28 22:02:01 :) Nov 28 22:02:22 yeah but the current git version have less problem now :) Nov 28 22:03:18 korhojoa: I'm in the south of france, I strapped a digital thermometer to the outside of my vest (on the motorbike). Around midway I checked the temperature: -14C -- even though the outside air temperature is just around -1 or -2 Nov 28 22:03:48 khertan_: no, I meant link to the image Nov 28 22:04:58 last year in january all electronics in my car wasn't working when i start it ... 10 minute latter the car's thermometer was blinking saying -30°C Nov 28 22:05:33 i do 20km and it was a real drift challenge Nov 28 22:05:38 korhojoa: which really freaked me out, considering that wind chill factor usually isn't applicable to inanimate objects Nov 28 22:06:16 currently external thermometers say -8°C Nov 28 22:06:56 khertan_: I'm happy I'm in not in Paris then :P Nov 28 22:07:19 khertan_: back wheel of the bike keeps slipping out all the time, and it's barely freezing, can't imagine how bad it would be if we actually dipped under -5 or something Nov 28 22:07:21 crashanddie, i'm in the north ... paris have less cold temp Nov 28 22:07:38 Tu parles ch'timi alors? Nov 28 22:07:41 * ljp notices its only 23C outside... Nov 28 22:07:43 T'es dans le nord? Nov 28 22:07:51 crashanddie, moi non mais ma femme oui :) Nov 28 22:08:01 crashanddie, ouaip suis en picardie apres tout Nov 28 22:08:05 ljp: aussie I take it? Nov 28 22:08:11 :) Nov 28 22:08:17 or kiwi? Nov 28 22:08:20 bon ok à seulement 200m du 77 (Seine et marne) Nov 28 22:08:21 well, in brissie Nov 28 22:08:27 hah, right, we talked Nov 28 22:09:17 but for some reason the weather is stuck on 'chance of rain' Nov 28 22:09:50 crashanddie, yeah bike on ice is less funny than with a car Nov 28 22:09:51 :à Nov 28 22:09:53 :) Nov 28 22:11:10 khertan, it's funny as long as you're not the one on the bike Nov 28 22:11:27 Apparently I've travelled 1 mile, whilst sitting on my sofa programming. Nov 28 22:11:47 alterego, and you'll sell this secret for a low, low price Nov 28 22:11:50 ? Nov 28 22:11:59 Heh Nov 28 22:12:11 alterego: either the 2012 movie was right and tectonic plates are going mad, or there's something wrong? Nov 28 22:12:25 No, just error .. Nov 28 22:13:04 johnx, also :) Nov 28 22:14:35 mmmm, ice driving :) Nov 28 22:14:44 I've thought about buying ice skates Nov 28 22:15:08 you should just get some training wheels and some little mini-skis and hybridize them onto your bike Nov 28 22:21:59 is there any way to flip the desktop into portrait mode ? Nov 28 22:22:45 turning head :) Nov 28 22:25:38 jo-erlend_, only in some apps Nov 28 22:29:18 I like ohloh : Khweeteur project cost : $ 51,868 Nov 28 22:29:41 if only i win 1% with it ... i ll be happy :) Nov 28 22:43:16 wut Nov 28 22:59:21 hi Nov 28 23:06:42 khertan_: server I'm the product manager of has an estimated cost of $11M Nov 28 23:11:12 poor pulseaudio performance in power kernel sucks. Nov 28 23:12:01 I suppose there are some PA patches in power kernel which makes it unusable. Nov 28 23:14:02 I'm looking for a userspace lightweight VPN type thing. Socks proxy on the far end, socks on the local end, and some means of putting the VPN over different connections by a command, as they go down/up. What should I be looking for? Nov 28 23:14:06 Any suggestions? Nov 28 23:14:38 hey, i'm running the stock n900 kernel with the stock userspace, what's the shortest way to set up usbnet? Nov 28 23:15:04 SpeedEvil: ssh tunnel controlled by ICD2? Nov 28 23:15:29 SpeedEvil: heck, even just a cron job to check if the SSH connection is alive will do Nov 28 23:15:43 crashanddie: I want the connections to persist over network changes Nov 28 23:16:16 SpeedEvil: will be very tricky over VPN -- they're far from stateless and require a reconnect upon route hcange Nov 28 23:16:38 mipv6 \o/ Nov 28 23:16:38 I don't want a proper VPN Nov 28 23:16:53 SpeedEvil: vpn or ssh, anything not stateless won't survive a network change Nov 28 23:17:33 I know. Nov 28 23:17:49 SpeedEvil: so unless you encapsulate the vpn-type connection over UDP or something, or intermittent TCP... Nov 28 23:17:54 SpeedEvil: http://natisbad.org/N900/n900-apps-umip.html Nov 28 23:19:14 Complications are that the connections are two ipv4 connections to the internet, and one cellular. Nov 28 23:19:56 SpeedEvil: what's the use-case? Nov 28 23:20:34 ah, apparently there's an aptget package with all the modules for usbnet Nov 28 23:20:35 I have two DSL connections that are somewhat unreliable, and one cell connection - the n900 that I use when they have died. Nov 28 23:20:47 the only problem now is i first need to be online to download it Nov 28 23:20:53 SpeedEvil: miredo to the rescue! Nov 28 23:21:05 Unfortunately, the logical solution - get my ISP to fix it - seems to be problematic - due to teh fact hat they die around midnignt. Nov 28 23:21:11 SpeedEvil: other option: local daemon that manages three separate connections, and pushes data through the fastest connection available. When one connection falls, the other two connections are used to ensure the data is sent, server on the other side pipes everything from the three connection as if it is one Nov 28 23:22:06 overhead, probably 30-40% in traffic Nov 28 23:22:07 crashanddie: yes, I know there are complex VPN solutions that do 'everything' - I basically want something like ssh with socks that I can send a HUP when the default route goes away Nov 28 23:24:38 Also - I don't have root on the far end, which disqualifis most of the solutions I find Nov 28 23:24:54 why? Nov 28 23:27:18 because you need root perm to open ports in range 0-1000 Nov 28 23:27:26 so? Nov 28 23:27:34 don't open up a port under 1024 Nov 28 23:27:38 qpwr :P Nov 28 23:27:45 1024 even .. Nov 28 23:27:46 so a proxy on user perms isn't really feasible Nov 28 23:27:59 8080 is under 1024 now? Nov 28 23:28:00 yep Nov 28 23:28:09 my math sucks Nov 28 23:28:33 who talked about 8080? Nov 28 23:29:34 Most of the VPN solutions I find want kernel modules, or programs that require to run as root on the far end Nov 28 23:29:52 sure Nov 28 23:30:38 SpeedEvil: all of them will have to run as root Nov 28 23:30:49 SpeedEvil: or have kernel modules Nov 28 23:30:52 jacekowski: No, they don't. Nov 28 23:31:00 that's how linux networking work Nov 28 23:31:05 No, it's not. Nov 28 23:31:07 lolwut? Nov 28 23:31:28 yeah, opening a socket and writing to it demands root perms, woopdefuckingwoop Nov 28 23:31:31 to create network interface Nov 28 23:31:44 ssh's socks proxy does all that I want, but does not support multiple connections between the ends. Nov 28 23:31:59 i think you can create tap interfaces if you have the right permission on linux Nov 28 23:32:00 And can run as user on both ends Nov 28 23:32:08 that's not vpn Nov 28 23:32:12 that's tunelling Nov 28 23:32:13 I know it's not. Nov 28 23:32:15 my N900 keeps blinking white, but I can't find anything that it might try to call attention to. What does it mean? Nov 28 23:32:25 jo-erlend_: It means it's on. Nov 28 23:32:37 SpeedEvil: would you not simply be able to check if the connection's alive an re-establish when required? Nov 28 23:32:38 jo-erlend_: you can turn this behaviour off in settings. Nov 28 23:32:40 SpeedEvil, seriously? Can I deactivate that? Nov 28 23:32:44 oh, great. Thanks. Nov 28 23:33:06 crashanddie: yes, but I don't want connections to be broken when I switch. Nov 28 23:33:21 SpeedEvil: too many restrictions Nov 28 23:33:39 jo-erlend_: It does not appreciably impact batery life, if that's what you were worried about. But I too find it annoying. Nov 28 23:33:47 SpeedEvil: stateless, simple, practical -- pick two. Nov 28 23:34:16 I don't want it to be stateless, I'm quite happy to have state in the two ends. Nov 28 23:34:25 jo-erlend_: there's even LED pattern editor app Nov 28 23:35:11 ssh - if it would reestbalish the channel on a signal - would 'just work' for example. Nov 28 23:35:22 Anyway - thanks for the comments. Nov 28 23:36:20 SpeedEvil: isn't there some re-establish command for ssh(fs)? Nov 28 23:36:55 use autossh Nov 28 23:37:08 Not sure if it's available in extras Nov 28 23:42:12 tor? Nov 28 23:42:39 hmm. Nov 28 23:42:44 probably not... Nov 28 23:42:48 That is a very, very silly suggestion that might actually work. Nov 28 23:43:00 lol Nov 28 23:43:14 But, I think that pushing tor traffic over my n900 might cause my ISP to become upset with me. Nov 28 23:43:19 What are you actually trying to do? Nov 28 23:43:22 Also, it may cause it to melt. Nov 28 23:44:07 I want a random oddly-implemented chat protocol to continue to work over network connection changes. Nov 28 23:44:16 SpeedEvil, I don't care about batterylife. It's just annoying to be notified of completely obvious things. Nov 28 23:44:20 There is no bouncer available for this client. Nov 28 23:44:56 what's obvious abot a black dead N900 actually being up and running? Nov 28 23:45:11 You can see it in your RF vision. Nov 28 23:45:20 haha Nov 28 23:45:25 It glows at 32KHz Nov 28 23:45:33 hi gordy Nov 28 23:46:58 DocScrutinizer, well, I tend to actually use my phone. I know how much battery life is left and I know that I haven't turned it off. There might be a chance that it crashes, but other than that, I expect it to always be on. I don't need it to notify me every ten seconds or so. Nov 28 23:47:25 if I could have it notify me when it was _off_, then that would've been great. Nov 28 23:47:54 hehe Nov 28 23:48:52 so settings > notification light is where you want to stop by Nov 28 23:49:04 DocScrutinizer, how is your cpu usage during sip call with power kernel? Nov 28 23:49:24 nfc, no power kernel here Nov 28 23:49:29 not yet Nov 28 23:49:42 trumee: over wifi/3g/usbnet/PAN Nov 28 23:50:07 i need a kernel with NAT support, do i have any other choice apart from power kernel? Nov 28 23:50:20 SpeedEvil, wifi Nov 28 23:50:37 also my sip service broke some time ago on N900 - can't selesct it anymore for outbound - and I have no idea how to fix Nov 28 23:51:12 trumee: afaik nope. you need pk Nov 28 23:51:33 DocScrutinizer, pulseaudio eats 20% more cpu in pk compared to stock. Nov 28 23:51:46 eeew Nov 28 23:52:58 so sip is unusable in pk for me. i was so excited to use N900 as a usb router in pk. But PA cpu usage was a big letdown :( Nov 28 23:53:44 SpeedEvil, you run pk? Nov 28 23:53:45 I don't get it how pk can have such PA CPU hog Nov 28 23:53:58 no Nov 28 23:54:13 Probably cpu governer Nov 28 23:54:23 hmm Nov 28 23:54:28 good point Nov 28 23:54:42 The total cpu usage is abouting 60% in pk compared to 40% in stock during a sip call. Nov 28 23:54:46 20% of what cpu clock? Nov 28 23:55:22 the cpu percentage is largely meaningles without cpufreq Nov 28 23:55:26 DocScrutinizer, no idea. i didnt do any OC, everything stock here. Nov 28 23:56:26 nevertheless governor might clock pk lower, so dutycicle on cpu gets higher Nov 28 23:57:19 kerio: wrong channel ? Nov 28 23:57:21 20%@500 == 40%250 Nov 28 23:57:28 DocScrutinizer, how do i disable cpu giverner in pk or atleast make it the same as stock kernel. Nov 28 23:57:50 "o idea Nov 28 23:57:55 no Nov 28 23:58:13 you probably don't want to disable anyway Nov 28 23:58:15 kerio: sorry, lagging behind of several days Nov 28 23:58:33 * SpeedEvil knows that feeling. Nov 28 23:58:54 DocScrutinizer, right. so how do i find current freq, cat /proc/cpuinfo? Nov 28 23:59:18 hmm, something along that line Nov 28 23:59:51 trumee: it's in /sys/something/cpu/cpufreq/whatever Nov 29 00:01:00 /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ Nov 29 00:02:26 SpeedEvil, thanks found it Nov 29 00:12:29 i'm trying to watch a real media file Nov 29 00:12:36 it opens but it's slow Nov 29 00:12:58 would you give me some tips on how to free some memory and cpu and make this video flow better? Nov 29 00:13:03 in N900 Nov 29 00:21:14 It may be that it's simply CPU bound. Nov 29 00:21:24 However - look at installing cpu-applet Nov 29 00:21:34 <[Sergiu]> hello Nov 29 00:21:41 <[Sergiu]> iptables: No chain/target/match by that name. Nov 29 00:21:45 <[Sergiu]> how can i resolve this?:| Nov 29 00:22:29 read the manpage for iptables>? Nov 29 00:22:39 What is calling iptables? Nov 29 00:22:52 <[Sergiu]> -A INPUT -p tcp -s 10.10.10.2 -n 895 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT Nov 29 00:23:12 <[Sergiu]> oups Nov 29 00:23:13 <[Sergiu]> no Nov 29 00:23:25 <[Sergiu]> "-A INPUT -p tcp -s 10.10.10.3 --dport 895 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT" Nov 29 00:23:29 <[Sergiu]> this is correct :) Nov 29 00:23:51 <[Sergiu]> and on n900 this say.. "no chain/target/bla" Nov 29 00:24:48 Right - so there is either no chain, or no target, or no match Nov 29 00:25:10 You probably have an input chain, Nov 29 00:25:13 so it's not that Nov 29 00:25:36 check that all of the elements in the specification are supported by loaded modules or the existing configuration Nov 29 00:26:01 <[Sergiu]> i`m not linux master :) Nov 29 00:26:17 <[Sergiu]> but,on my centos box command is correct...i dont know wath's worng on n900 Nov 29 00:28:52 Sorry - I'd have to study the manpage a bit and have a play to get that working Nov 29 00:29:35 <[Sergiu]> uhm,ok :< Nov 29 00:30:06 iptables -L on the centos box Nov 29 00:32:32 <[Sergiu]> ACCEPT tcp -- 10.10.10.3 anywhere tcp dpt:895 state NEW Nov 29 00:32:33 <[Sergiu]> :) Nov 29 00:32:41 <[Sergiu]> that's wath i want.. Nov 29 00:33:02 <[Sergiu]> i want to close all ports and accept only 895 from 1.2.3.4 Nov 29 00:33:13 that won't quite do that Nov 29 00:33:27 you can't have an accept rule, without a reject rule Nov 29 00:33:30 well - you can Nov 29 00:33:31 but... Nov 29 00:33:47 <[Sergiu]> reject rules running oK on n900 Nov 29 00:33:53 <[Sergiu]> accept rule no :| Nov 29 00:34:36 The various rules are implemented by kernel modules Nov 29 00:34:49 you have to have the kernel module loaded, or compiled in, before you can use it Nov 29 00:37:36 <[Sergiu]> since going to close all ports, I suppose I should go and open 895's, probably should be reworded somehow command .. Nov 29 00:37:56 <[Sergiu]> sorry,for my bad english,i use G translator :)) Nov 29 00:40:16 iptables rules aren't exactly trivial. Especially a single rule doesn't say anything without the context, which is other rules plus basic config Nov 29 00:41:50 so probably on your centos you got some predefined rules and configs that match this rule you are trying, while on N900 those are missing or defined differently Nov 29 00:43:44 <[Sergiu]> defined differently,i think.. Nov 29 00:54:19 iptables -L INPUT Nov 29 01:17:36 oh, SpeedEvil said that :-) Nov 29 01:20:45 how can I ma e download bandwidth on N900 higher? Nov 29 01:20:54 make* Nov 29 01:21:13 when I download its only 15kbps Nov 29 01:21:16 [Sergiu]: -m state should try to modprobe a module aiui Nov 29 01:21:31 but I have over 8mbit wireless Nov 29 01:21:47 how can I use it on my N900? Nov 29 01:22:12 how can remove the limit of my download speed? Nov 29 01:22:31 [Sergiu]: man iptables; / *state$ Nov 29 01:22:37 it's limited 15kbps Nov 29 01:24:02 lolloo: It's possible you are having probnelms with wifi powersaving. Nov 29 01:24:10 Some routers do not peoperly implement it. Nov 29 01:24:18 I assume you mean wifi? Nov 29 01:24:37 yes Nov 29 01:24:39 [Sergiu]: Possible states are ... NEW meaning that the packet has started a new connection... Nov 29 01:25:04 [Sergiu]: which possibly isn't exactly what you thought and wanted anyway Nov 29 01:25:13 so what do you think I should do? Nov 29 01:25:28 how do I stop powersaving? Nov 29 01:25:37 Go to settings - internet connections - select your connection, and tehn page through tot the end of settings, where you can turn wifi powersave off Nov 29 01:25:47 awesome Nov 29 01:26:41 does that mean it fixed your issue? Nov 29 01:27:17 I doubt, regarding the RTT Nov 29 01:27:22 need testing.. not yet hehe Nov 29 01:27:29 yes Nov 29 01:27:42 you found the PS setting anyway? Nov 29 01:27:54 me? Nov 29 01:27:58 yep Nov 29 01:28:02 yes I did Nov 29 01:28:06 k Nov 29 01:28:12 ta Nov 29 01:28:18 set it to "none" Nov 29 01:29:46 or "off" or whatever that's in your locale Nov 29 01:30:10 haha Nov 29 01:30:20 true its off here Nov 29 01:30:25 while you're there you can check the power one above is set to 10mW Nov 29 01:31:08 shall I set it 100mw Nov 29 01:31:18 nope, usually that's useless Nov 29 01:31:28 awesome Nov 29 01:32:10 you should check your channel which the AP selected isn't contaminated by other stations on same or a nearby channe Nov 29 01:32:13 l Nov 29 01:33:15 when your neighbour has an AP on 1 or 2 channels up/down of yours, there can be severe interferences that cause bandwidth to go thru the floor Nov 29 01:33:36 ahaa Nov 29 01:33:44 good point! Nov 29 01:34:13 Or a microwave oven. Nov 29 01:36:35 hhhhh Nov 29 01:48:34 wifiEye - excellent to estimate channel contamination Nov 29 01:49:31 is that in app manager? Nov 29 01:51:37 * DocScrutinizer gasps on taking a look at his own wifi situation Nov 29 01:52:08 hhhhhh Nov 29 01:53:41 how is it? Nov 29 01:57:49 good morning Nov 29 01:57:59 good morning Nov 29 02:02:32 lolloo: all idiots having a party on chan 1 now? o.O Nov 29 02:02:50 I once chosen chan3 as it was the cleanest Nov 29 02:03:24 nowit seems chan12 is almost empty, as everybody loves chan1 now Nov 29 02:03:49 doesn't look plausible to me Nov 29 02:03:59 hey guys, I am looking for a timer app for n900 any suggestions thanks in advance Nov 29 02:04:45 hmm, there are several timers and tea/egg-watches Nov 29 02:05:50 depends on what you're looking for. Alarmed is usually best you can get Nov 29 02:06:46 no shiny simple GUI, but can do all cron-alike things and more Nov 29 02:06:55 it's no stopwatch though Nov 29 02:08:10 I's just ok for setting up the reminder of your wedding day, your next dentist appointment, and automate the daily backup run Nov 29 02:09:02 switching profile to silent at 22:30, and back to normal when the mp3 player kicks your ass out of bed next day Nov 29 02:09:50 well, it has no snooze (me makes a note to file an omprovement request) Nov 29 02:26:46 hm. anybody know why mobilehotspot is broken? Nov 29 02:30:00 dpkg: error processing mobilehotspot (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 255 Nov 29 02:30:07 wtf Nov 29 02:30:41 what about an easy to use media player that can do playlist something like qmms Nov 29 02:35:45 cat: write error: No space left on device Nov 29 02:35:48 wtf Nov 29 02:36:01 no space left on device to install power kernel Nov 29 02:36:14 that sucks Nov 29 02:36:18 pr1.3 is such a friggin regression Nov 29 02:37:29 how so? Nov 29 02:37:36 /tmp keeps filling up Nov 29 02:37:48 hmm Nov 29 02:38:05 haven't hit that one yet, what's causing it? Nov 29 02:38:33 who knows. never had these stupid problems with 1.2 Nov 29 02:38:47 not to mention apps that no longer work Nov 29 02:39:20 i cant remember if the cam is broken with power kernel 42 Nov 29 02:40:05 wouldn't that be a bug in power kernel? Nov 29 02:44:51 hey, how do i tell maemo that i'm already connected and don't want it to try to connect wirelessly when i open the browser or do anything else? Nov 29 02:44:53 that's a 'bug' in fcam drivers not matching the pk Nov 29 02:45:33 optimally i want it to power down the wireless to save power Nov 29 02:45:40 and yeah, a proper pre-install script should check for sufficient free space on storage Nov 29 02:47:10 balrog-k1n: that's a bit fuzzy a question, anyway I suppose you mean you have a connection set up that's not using the maemo connection manager (the name of which I can't recall right now - must be Freud) Nov 29 02:47:28 in this case prepare to run into some pitfalls Nov 29 02:48:06 DocScrutinizer: yeah, i had to set it up manually because it doesn't seem the connection manager would let me just connect over usb like every other device i use :) Nov 29 02:48:17 afaik there's no clean solution to that problem Nov 29 02:48:49 palm's webos is clever enough not to ask you to connect until it gets a "no route to host" or something Nov 29 02:52:23 I'm not sure how PC Connectivity Manager is handling this, and if it works on maemo4 or even on maemo5 Nov 29 02:53:12 balrog-k1n, make sure you have done a route add Nov 29 02:53:13 anyway to me the UI looks like it's the most integrated way to deal with USB networking Nov 29 02:54:09 DocScrutinizer: I'm pretty sure when he says "connection manager" he means the N900's connection manager not the "PC Connectivity Manager" (what even is that? Some kind of Windows software?) Nov 29 02:54:52 perhaps there is a n900 UI for setting up USB networking? Nov 29 02:54:58 Termana: aiui it's not the problem of a missing route that would stop connectivity all together. It's the maemo connection manager *thinks* it's not online and asks to crank up wifi or GPRS despite there *is* a path to internet Nov 29 02:55:14 Termana: ifup should have done the route add part for me Nov 29 02:55:40 balrog-k1n: check HAM for PC connectivity manager Nov 29 02:55:52 it seems to work because i can access google from the command line, only can't do anything in the maemo's browser because it thinks i'm not connected Nov 29 02:56:20 yes Nov 29 02:56:58 DocScrutinizer: when I used ofono in a chroot I had the same problem, fixing route fixed it Nov 29 02:57:24 IIRC Nov 29 02:57:37 it's like KNetworkManager telling all the netowrk apps like konqueror and Kontact etc to go to offline mode, despite you have set up a NIC with ifconfig and route Nov 29 02:58:23 http://imgur.com/QCoTY?full pray for your enemies... Nov 29 02:58:35 you are connected to internet, but the system isn't aware of it Nov 29 02:58:40 balrog-k1n, actually, does it pop open the connection list when you try and use the browser or does it just sit there? Nov 29 02:58:54 (sit there looking like it's trying to load) Nov 29 02:59:09 DocScrutinizer: oh, i'm back to square one, i went to the app manager to look for the PC connectivity manager you mentioned but app manager wants me to connect to internet first :) Nov 29 02:59:23 lol Nov 29 02:59:25 Termana: it pops up the wireless connections list **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Nov 29 02:59:57 2010