**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 29 02:59:58 2010 Nov 29 03:01:02 http://maemo.org/packages/view/pc-connectivity-manager/ Nov 29 03:09:14 DocScrutinizer: thanks, i'll try it out Nov 29 03:16:02 balrog-k1n: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=704813#post704813 Nov 29 03:21:38 balrog-k1n: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=564548#post564548 Nov 29 03:21:46 up to you Nov 29 03:22:03 as I said above, I never came to testing it Nov 29 03:22:20 It just *looks* kinda good Nov 29 03:28:23 evninn Nov 29 03:28:27 what's news DocScrutinizer Nov 29 03:29:12 electric heaters are addictive Nov 29 03:29:40 ohyes Nov 29 03:34:44 * SpeedEvil bemoans the lack of small water-water heat-pumps. Nov 29 03:43:49 SpeedEvil, how small? Nov 29 03:45:10 just sitting here blasting my feet Nov 29 03:45:16 all's well with the world Nov 29 03:45:37 johnx: About 0.5Kwe Nov 29 03:45:40 maybe 1 Nov 29 03:49:40 http://www.virtualvillage.de/peltier-element-320w-cpu-kuhler-warmepumpe-001540-001.html http://www.virtualvillage.de/158w-peltierelement-peltier-element-kuhlen-heizen-001540-003.html?utm_source=googlebase&utm_medium=shcomp http://www.conrad.de/ce/ProductDetail.html?hk=WW4&insert=V0&WT.mc_id=Froogle2&productcode=189182&utm_source=google&utm_medium=deeplink&utm_content=dl_article&utm_campaign=g_shopping Nov 29 03:50:33 why doesn't every CPU have 100 cores yet? Nov 29 03:50:58 Peltiers blow hard when it comes to Coefficient of Performance Nov 29 03:52:55 depending on what you need them for, they for sure are the better electric heaters for example Nov 29 03:53:09 http://www.inbthermoelectric.com/Thermoelectric-Peltier-Modules/Low-Cost.html Nov 29 04:00:48 SpeedEvil: I have no trouble writing massively multithreaded servers Nov 29 04:02:12 by that I mean 20-25 threads on average ;) Nov 29 04:02:23 could easily get up to 50 here I think Nov 29 04:02:37 (at any given instant) Nov 29 04:02:42 yes - compared to resistive, they are good. Nov 29 04:03:01 But compared to 'proper' heatpumps which get a gain of 5 Nov 29 04:07:01 hmm, 15W input, 8.5W thermal pump equiv. looks like factor 1.6 Nov 29 04:07:27 really not great Nov 29 04:07:36 isn't that dependent on the temperature gradient? Nov 29 04:07:37 mhm coolchips seem never get a real product out Nov 29 04:07:52 that's at 0 delta-T Nov 29 04:07:57 http://coolchips.gi/ Nov 29 04:08:19 i watch them since many years ... but no progress Nov 29 04:08:43 At a usable gradient - say 20C - they're even worse. Nov 29 04:08:47 I max - Current resulting in greatest ΔT of TE micro cooler Nov 29 04:08:48 U max - Voltage of TE micro cooler at ΔT max Nov 29 04:08:50 ΔT max - Maximum temperature difference of TE micro cooler Nov 29 04:08:51 Q max - Maximum heat pumping capacity of TE micro cooler (I=I max, ΔT=0) Nov 29 04:09:24 cehteh: from the site, I'd say they look like patent trolls Nov 29 04:09:32 You need to find a datasheet with graphs. Nov 29 04:09:41 they get enough figured out to make a probable patent, but never finish Nov 29 04:09:50 when someone else finishes it, they demand royalties Nov 29 04:10:18 or they just cant realize it Nov 29 04:10:41 burning venture capital Nov 29 04:18:41 lol @ wikileaks Nov 29 04:19:04 don't know much about linux, but i just finished installing debian in an old box, plugged in my n900 via usb and...nothing. wtf??? Nov 29 04:19:24 JakDaRippa: nothing is supposed to happen Nov 29 04:19:28 JakDaRippa, try and be specific. what did you expect to happen? Nov 29 04:19:29 unless you mount the device Nov 29 04:19:52 i want to use something like a file explorer Nov 29 04:19:58 also, if you don't know much about linux, debian might not be the best distro for you unless you're ready to read and learn Nov 29 04:20:00 JakDaRippa: ugly Nov 29 04:20:07 i want to trade pics between my pc and my n900 Nov 29 04:20:16 JakDaRippa: use wifi Nov 29 04:20:20 USB is for charging Nov 29 04:20:24 i'm ready to read and learn Nov 29 04:20:36 JakDaRippa, great. what desktop environment are you using? Nov 29 04:20:42 fluxbox Nov 29 04:20:43 hehe .. i am happily disabled the usb mounting dialog .. only charging Nov 29 04:20:43 JakDaRippa: well i first scan for new devices with cat /proc/partitions Nov 29 04:20:47 JakDaRippa: … Nov 29 04:20:56 JakDaRippa, and what file manager? Nov 29 04:21:10 JakDaRippa: install KDE Nov 29 04:21:12 konqueror Nov 29 04:21:21 then i'll see something like 8 17 491520 sdb1.... so then i mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usb Nov 29 04:21:22 JakDaRippa: did the device pop up some dialog about if you want storage mode oder pc-suite? Nov 29 04:21:34 ok. you probably don't have any kind of auto volume management setup Nov 29 04:21:46 i think it's sdb Nov 29 04:21:47 thats good! Nov 29 04:21:58 * cehteh hates this automatics Nov 29 04:22:06 then i copy files from n900 to pc with cp /media/usb/home/user/something/* . Nov 29 04:22:13 cehteh, fair enough. you're the perfect person to help him then :) Nov 29 04:22:20 JakDaRippa: fyi, both N900 and your PC can't access pics at the same time Nov 29 04:22:32 JakDaRippa: so if you DO mount over USB, N900 won't have access anymore to it Nov 29 04:23:01 ok Nov 29 04:23:16 but seriously, just go over wifi Nov 29 04:23:41 fish://root@NokiaN900/home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/ Nov 29 04:23:46 open a console and type man man ... all the rest is self explanatory .. come back in 2-5 years if you have still problems :) Nov 29 04:24:11 :> Nov 29 04:24:14 cehteh++ Nov 29 04:25:46 it was sdb and i was able to mount it to /mnt/nokia :-) Nov 29 04:26:20 cool JakDaRippa - well there should be a couple of different partitions visible as sdb1 sdb2 ... Nov 29 04:26:23 * luke-jr wonders why JakDaRippa installed Debian Nov 29 04:26:30 to have fun with linux? Nov 29 04:26:32 N900 seems more Windows-friendly than Linux-friendly really Nov 29 04:26:49 i want to learn linux and i'm getting sick if bsod Nov 29 04:26:58 cool Nov 29 04:27:02 does Windows still have BSOD? Nov 29 04:27:05 O.o Nov 29 04:27:16 no, but it still freezes Nov 29 04:27:18 i read "getting sick of BSD" Nov 29 04:27:39 i c Nov 29 04:27:46 * luke-jr hasn't used Windows in about 8 years Nov 29 04:27:51 luke-jr: yes, its really pita, actice-sync, exchange stuff .. but no imap idle and other things one expect as unixian Nov 29 04:28:04 cehteh: meh, KDE doesn't have proper IMAP IDLE either Nov 29 04:28:26 i've used linux for about 8 minutes Nov 29 04:28:31 ok claws hasnt either but thunderbird has Nov 29 04:28:45 while it makes more sense on a mobile device imo Nov 29 04:28:48 JakDaRippa: one "file explorer" some people like to use is 'thunar' Nov 29 04:29:09 * cehteh uses 'ls' Nov 29 04:29:23 and I think you can use xfce w/ fluxbox and get a little bit of both. have fluxbox manage windows and let xfce provide panels and file manager Nov 29 04:29:27 cehteh: Thunderbird is a Windows app Nov 29 04:29:29 it's still pretty lightweight Nov 29 04:29:31 trying to learn the cli way Nov 29 04:29:32 some hardcore ppl use 'echo *' :) Nov 29 04:29:37 wtg JakDaRippa Nov 29 04:29:45 ls seems to work just fine Nov 29 04:30:02 "ls" works everywhere. Nov 29 04:30:06 pupnik: not so Nov 29 04:30:13 'ls' fails on stale NFS handle mountpoints Nov 29 04:30:36 JakDaRippa, hats off to you, sir :D Nov 29 04:30:45 thanx Nov 29 04:34:30 JakDaRippa, are you focusing on servery stuff or just planning to go totally CLI for "desktop" use? following a guide/howto or just googling like mad? Nov 29 04:35:26 DocScrutinizer51: thanks for the forum link. i went to a wiki page from there that explains how to make the init scripts automatically notify the connectivity daemons that we're now connected, or disconnected, through d-bus Nov 29 04:35:26 mostly alot of google Nov 29 04:35:45 haven't tried it yet, but it looks like it should work Nov 29 04:35:47 laters Nov 29 04:36:19 there's a ton of info to find most anything i'm trying to do Nov 29 04:37:34 patience + reading + trial and error (and error, and error) seem to be working out for me Nov 29 04:37:46 JakDaRippa, I'm trying to remember stuff that I wish people told me when I first started but assumed I had already known. interested? Nov 29 04:37:55 sure Nov 29 04:44:12 johnx: like 'never use "" to get info about some command, rather always use " --help" ' Nov 29 04:44:30 heh. didn't think of that, but yeah Nov 29 04:44:47 also, apparently if you write a long post into pastebin, firefox will hang hilariously Nov 29 04:45:32 i was wondering what happened Nov 29 04:47:21 JakDaRippa: USB is a mere PITA. I use WLAN with a AP in managed mode, have DHCP in that router set up to assign a fixed IP to N900, added "192.168.4.33 N900" to my /etc/hosts, installed and configured ssh server to N900, and now I do in konqueror: "sftp://root@n900/" - have a bookmark for that Nov 29 04:48:27 ah, CLI alternatives are: sftp / scp / sshfs Nov 29 04:48:34 sshfs is *awesome* Nov 29 04:48:50 (and when it times out can be easily killed off, unlike nfs ...) Nov 29 04:48:53 but also a bit clumsy Nov 29 04:48:54 i've done ssh, but never heard of sshfs Nov 29 04:49:13 got some reading to do Nov 29 04:49:14 it "mounts" an fs over ssh using FUSE Nov 29 04:49:22 http://pastie.org/1331490 Nov 29 04:49:26 some stuff to get you started Nov 29 04:49:32 thanx Nov 29 04:49:39 on sshfs? o.O Nov 29 04:49:55 not exactly the best starting point Nov 29 04:49:57 should i 'apt-get install sshfs' ? Nov 29 04:50:04 DocScrutinizer, hmm, just general things I was typing up before Nov 29 04:50:16 <- multi-tasking Nov 29 04:50:34 JakDaRippa: you got ssh metapackage client&server installed? Nov 29 04:50:40 on N900 Nov 29 04:50:43 yes Nov 29 04:50:49 fine :-) Nov 29 04:51:00 i'm logged into this box right now Nov 29 04:51:02 you got WLAN? Nov 29 04:51:07 yes Nov 29 04:51:09 ah, and apt: install apt-file, then you can apt-file search $cmd_that_isnt_installed Nov 29 04:51:17 you got the IP of N900? Nov 29 04:51:48 yes Nov 29 04:52:41 so try in konqueror addr input: "sftp://root@" Nov 29 04:54:19 it's awesome comfortable - you can even rightclick files and open with any app, like kate etc (on KDE, no idea if fluxbox does that too) Nov 29 04:54:23 Error encountered while talking to ssh. Nov 29 04:54:51 hmm Nov 29 04:55:49 sftp installed? Nov 29 04:56:03 oh, on PC Nov 29 04:56:09 hmm Nov 29 04:56:13 (I mean it should be, but i dunno) Nov 29 04:56:15 doh! Nov 29 04:56:19 installing it now Nov 29 04:56:20 if ssh is there, sftp should as well Nov 29 04:56:31 I'd guess Nov 29 04:56:34 ssh is on n900, not on pc Nov 29 04:56:41 JakDaRippa, and you know about tab-completion on the CLI, right? Nov 29 04:56:45 not yet anyway Nov 29 04:56:49 yes Nov 29 04:56:56 i like that Nov 29 04:57:14 just checking. I've seen some people do the most painful damn things since they don't know about tab-complete or 'up' or ctrl+r Nov 29 04:57:18 you know about alt-. for fetching last argument? Nov 29 04:57:33 I don't :) Nov 29 04:57:46 no, i don't Nov 29 04:58:20 E. Package sftp has no installation candidate Nov 29 04:58:32 ssh Nov 29 04:58:46 sftp is in pkg ssh Nov 29 04:58:47 installed Nov 29 04:58:54 ah, but i need to start it Nov 29 04:59:02 err nope Nov 29 04:59:08 not on client side Nov 29 04:59:11 nope already started Nov 29 04:59:26 on server side (here N900) sshd handles sftp calls Nov 29 04:59:44 so, make sure you can ssh and sftp to the N900 from the CLI Nov 29 04:59:51 yep Nov 29 05:00:49 i'm in Nov 29 05:00:51 ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null -l root Nov 29 05:01:00 wait...i can ssh Nov 29 05:01:09 not sftp from konqueror Nov 29 05:01:29 now I'd say try sftp from cli Nov 29 05:01:42 sftp --help for a start Nov 29 05:02:47 -sh: sftp://root@192.168.0.5: not found Nov 29 05:02:55 :-/ Nov 29 05:03:10 umm Nov 29 05:03:15 wait Nov 29 05:03:26 i was trying from with ssh Nov 29 05:03:33 haha Nov 29 05:04:02 ok, now it STILL doesn't work Nov 29 05:04:42 jr@halley:~> sftp root@IroN900 Nov 29 05:04:43 Connecting to IroN900... Nov 29 05:04:45 sftp> Nov 29 05:05:09 (I got a ssh key on N900 - so no password dialog) Nov 29 05:06:03 and you can 'ls' once in with sftp? Nov 29 05:06:17 sure Nov 29 05:06:32 ah, sorry, missed who I was responding to :) Nov 29 05:07:00 hooking up video stuff and looking at IRC from time to time :) Nov 29 05:07:23 it looks as if sftp isn't installed on the pc Nov 29 05:07:31 :-S Nov 29 05:07:45 weird Nov 29 05:07:59 is it possible to have ssh installed with out sftp? Nov 29 05:08:11 that's what I just wonder Nov 29 05:08:23 on debian, if you installed ssh, sftp should come along with it Nov 29 05:08:35 ls /usr/bin/sftp Nov 29 05:09:02 yep Nov 29 05:09:37 sftp root@$192.168.0.xxx Nov 29 05:09:50 where that xxx is the right one for your N900 Nov 29 05:10:34 no $ ! Nov 29 05:11:37 i got it Nov 29 05:12:11 sftp> ? Nov 29 05:12:11 i was trying sftp://root@192.168.0.5 Nov 29 05:12:23 nah, that's for konqueror Nov 29 05:12:26 didn't need :// Nov 29 05:13:14 :// means "this is a URL" Nov 29 05:13:23 on commandline it's always, where here is sftp Nov 29 05:13:28 generally you feed a URL to a program, not just type it straight into the term Nov 29 05:13:49 sorry about the $. I was about to type $IP_of_nokia but thought that would be confusing :) Nov 29 05:14:12 $foo is a variable in bash, and lots of people use it in instructions where it means "fill in the right thing in your case" Nov 29 05:14:32 this is way cooler than trying it the usb way Nov 29 05:14:42 you bet Nov 29 05:14:57 and i can do this from anywhere Nov 29 05:15:04 not just home Nov 29 05:15:05 now try sftp://root@192.168.0.5 in konqueror's address input Nov 29 05:15:42 do i have to disconnect from cli ? or will it take simultaneous connections> Nov 29 05:15:47 no Nov 29 05:16:10 it will take hundereds of concurrent connections Nov 29 05:16:27 oh this is great! Nov 29 05:16:32 toldya Nov 29 05:16:33 wait until you try sshfs from the CLI :) Nov 29 05:17:04 it can be clunky sometimes, but it's pretty awesome Nov 29 05:17:15 i can see now that i'm going to be up all night with this and late to work tomorrow Nov 29 05:17:39 hehe Nov 29 05:17:41 do you work in IT? Nov 29 05:17:54 no, i wish Nov 29 05:18:08 well, a love of this stuff and genuine interest is a start :) Nov 29 05:19:09 JakDaRippa: well, now you actually can *share* pictures between N900 and PC Nov 29 05:19:18 doing it right now Nov 29 05:20:06 used the 'get' command Nov 29 05:20:33 oh, you're still on cmdline sftp? Nov 29 05:20:39 try konqueror! Nov 29 05:21:16 i have that opened too Nov 29 05:22:02 wow. a ton more folders Nov 29 05:22:23 I guess in konqueror you can not only copy and delete your files/pictures, you probably even can view them Nov 29 05:22:40 i think i need to hide the hidden folders again Nov 29 05:22:46 hehe Nov 29 05:23:26 not sure you really want to do that. N900 has a few hidden folders that are really braindamaged by concept Nov 29 05:25:05 e.g sftp://root@iron900/home/user/MyDocs/.images Nov 29 05:25:32 or .documents, same place Nov 29 05:27:02 in holdon filemanager and file selection dialogs that becomes N900/Pictures and N900/Documents Nov 29 05:28:20 .videos Nov 29 05:28:41 I hear he's amazed Nov 29 05:28:46 :-D Nov 29 05:29:32 i just copied a movie to the phone. it looks amazing Nov 29 05:30:27 well, probably it's time for a backup :-D Nov 29 05:30:51 huh, I should integrate my N900 into my rsnapshot backups ... Nov 29 05:31:26 also be aware when you copy files under root account to N900, you may not be able to access them on the N900 - you're 'user' there Nov 29 05:32:18 nothing chmod +ax can't handle Nov 29 05:32:26 so you might want to change the file permissions of those files to "others allowed to read/write" Nov 29 05:32:30 yep Nov 29 05:32:33 :-D Nov 29 05:32:38 or setup access as user Nov 29 05:32:46 even better Nov 29 05:32:48 either make a password for user or setup access by public key Nov 29 05:33:02 the latter the better here Nov 29 05:33:40 i'll try that tomorrow. g/f is getting pissed i won't come to bed. g'nite all and thanx Nov 29 05:33:48 yw Nov 29 05:34:17 JakDaRippa, 'night Nov 29 05:34:54 passwd user Nov 29 05:35:07 done for sftp://user@N900 Nov 29 05:35:55 for ssh-key you just need to copy over the public key to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys Nov 29 05:38:14 o/ Nov 29 06:09:36 ugh Nov 29 06:09:45 i give up on mobilehotspot Nov 29 06:09:54 i almost feel like downgrading to 1.2 Nov 29 06:10:42 things seem to have gotten worse in 1.3... nokia should have just left it abandoned when they sai Nov 29 06:10:51 they were making meego Nov 29 06:14:24 is Ovi Suite written in Qt? Nov 29 06:14:58 cam doesnt work with the power kernel Nov 29 06:15:05 and mobilehotspot is broken Nov 29 06:15:17 awesome Nov 29 06:15:28 let me try the bt dun scripts Nov 29 06:15:45 [22:06] cam doesnt work with the power kernel <--- works fine with me.. i'm using .45 pk... perhaps you need to upgrade the fcam drivers Nov 29 06:16:18 hm. maybe? Nov 29 06:16:40 i just gave up. all i want to do is tether Nov 29 06:16:42 :) Nov 29 06:16:56 the fcam drivers that come with blessn900 will not work... there's a link somewhere in the forums for the newer ones Nov 29 06:17:14 what problem are you having with mobilehotspot? Nov 29 06:17:43 Jay_BEE: just fails.. thought it might be the modules it installs but didnt work on it much just yet Nov 29 06:17:58 kind of got sidetracked with the broken cam with the power kernel Nov 29 06:19:12 admittedly mobilehotspot too is not working for me... I'm able to start it but oddly I'm prompted for a password when I do.. i'm on T-Mobile (USA) Nov 29 06:19:37 me too Nov 29 06:19:46 i am going to try bt dun Nov 29 06:19:52 but am unsure how to use it Nov 29 06:20:28 i am looking for instructions now Nov 29 06:20:39 i would rather use bt anyways... less power than wifi Nov 29 06:21:31 Nov 29 06:22:02 * Jay_BEE tosses RST38h a tic-tac Nov 29 06:25:34 well. seems simple enough. let me see if i can bt tether a macbook Nov 29 06:25:59 If it doesn't work it's the Macbook's fault Nov 29 06:31:26 I'm trying to set up my n800 after flashing. I want some SDK packages so I'd like to add the sdk and tools repos. This page http://repository.maemo.org/ says to use http://repository.maemo.org/install/diablo-tools.install to install those. Unfortunately, that link is broken. Nov 29 06:32:02 1) how do I report this problem? Is there a replacement? Nov 29 06:32:24 (oh, that was 2 too) Nov 29 06:40:28 hrm Nov 29 06:40:34 I really need to change my highlights regex Nov 29 06:57:28 Which file determines the placement of icons and widgets on the desktops in maemo5? (I want to edit it directly so that my icons are aligned, doing this with stylus is a PITA) Nov 29 06:57:40 oh hell yeah Nov 29 06:57:45 got the bt dun going Nov 29 06:57:48 that'll work :) Nov 29 06:57:52 what is the speed on the bt dun? Nov 29 06:58:15 less than what 3G gives you Nov 29 06:58:46 well. i'm in chicago... 3G on tmob kind of sucks regardless Nov 29 06:58:50 I'd have to dig out the exact numbers though Nov 29 06:58:54 especially where i am. for some reason it goes incredibly slow Nov 29 06:59:05 isn't the dun bt 2.0? Nov 29 06:59:12 i thought it was like.. 11mb Nov 29 06:59:26 Ah OK, I am in Finland. If it's less than 3mbit in a populated area sth is wrong and if it's less than 7mbit in city center then also sth is wrong, guess we're spoiled Nov 29 06:59:54 DHR you don't want to use an .install tool for commandline tools Nov 29 07:00:21 The nominal rate of EDR is about 3 Mbit/s, although the practical data transfer rate is 2.1 Mbit/s.[ Nov 29 07:00:26 haha Nov 29 07:00:32 from wikipedia Nov 29 07:00:36 2.1 is good enough Nov 29 07:00:42 let me try downloading something and see what i get :) Nov 29 07:00:54 i would think that bt could keep up with the 3G connection tho Nov 29 07:01:04 i forget what bt dun is rated .. but i could have sworn it was 11mbit Nov 29 07:01:06 but i could be wrong Nov 29 07:01:17 not even sure what kind of bt the n900 uses but i would assume it is a recent revision Nov 29 07:03:24 wow.. i am capping out at like 32KB/s Nov 29 07:03:24 that is horrible Nov 29 07:03:46 oh wait.. it just kind of picked up :) Nov 29 07:04:46 ok.. i just found the sweet spot ... al about propagation lol Nov 29 07:04:55 108K/s Nov 29 07:05:49 hm.. i'm hitting like 135K/s .. that isn't bad at all Nov 29 07:07:07 blah. it just died on me :) Nov 29 07:08:01 ah well... let me try out filezilla Nov 29 07:13:27 ah well .. at least this works on my macbook :) Nov 29 07:13:31 good enough for me Nov 29 07:15:20 whatever happened to that dude who came here working on speeding up pulseaudio Nov 29 07:16:10 i am sure he moved onto android or something else that will be around in a year Nov 29 07:16:14 :) Nov 29 07:16:24 well.. "be around" is a bad choice of words Nov 29 07:19:06 hm Nov 29 07:19:16 i guess filezilla doesn't support connecting with keys? Nov 29 07:35:36 macer: I didn't actually want to use a command line tool. I wanted to use the GUI stuff (typing is an effort on the n800). Nov 29 07:36:05 but I admit: my goal is to install less(1), clearly a command line tool. Nov 29 07:36:29 It seems to be like pulling teeth. I'm not there yet. Nov 29 07:48:57 DHR: heh for? Nov 29 07:49:12 i am still pissed i can't get my bt keyboard to autoconnect and work correctly when it worked so well on my n810 Nov 29 07:49:17 what a let down Nov 29 07:58:49 damnit Nov 29 07:59:00 can't seem to get this macbook to connect to my ddwrt pptp vpn Nov 29 07:59:03 and now it's kind of stuck :) Nov 29 07:59:16 less(1) is what I'm used to. more(1) isn't good enough. Nov 29 07:59:35 pptp? That's not very secure. Nov 29 08:00:09 my BT keyboard now works with my n800. Nov 29 08:01:05 heh Nov 29 08:01:07 If I remember correctly, pptp security was broken about a decade ago. Nov 29 08:01:11 dhr.. i never had a problem with my n800 or my n810 Nov 29 08:01:45 the n900 is crapy tho. there are bt hid scripts but they are not very stable... and almost impossible to get working properly. then the mappings ae off.. such as.. i can only get my keyboard to work properly when i have it open Nov 29 08:02:00 then when i close it and open it again it loses the mappings.. on the n800 or n810 i could just use it Nov 29 08:02:04 it was simple Nov 29 08:02:24 I typed "~" according to my keyboard, but got "*". Nov 29 08:02:34 when i filed a bug related to this it was closed due to the fact that my description wasn't good enough... Nov 29 08:03:03 and all the bug request was "in maemo5 on the n810 bluetooth keyboards would connect and work automatically. please add this feature to maemo 5" :) Nov 29 08:03:23 i mean it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what the request was.. but the bug people for maemo were such snobs Nov 29 08:03:36 I don't have anything Maemo 5 so I don't know how similar the plumbing is. Nov 29 08:03:43 anyways .. i have to reboot this macbook and try to get the vpn working Nov 29 08:03:55 good luck. Good night. Nov 29 08:33:42 Morning, all Nov 29 08:36:16 morning Jaffa Nov 29 08:38:12 Termana: Ironic, considering he's allergic to milk ;-) Nov 29 08:42:52 argh, www2sms is broken on PR1.3? Nov 29 08:52:10 morning Termana, Jaffa Nov 29 08:54:27 morning crashanddie_ Nov 29 09:09:10 Morning all Nov 29 09:25:36 kernel:[639836.220608] invalid opcode: 0000 [#1] SMP Nov 29 09:25:43 kernel:[639836.220837] Code: 86 28 01 00 00 48 8b b8 c0 20 00 00 48 83 c7 48 e8 48 fd 70 e0 3b 6c 24 24 7e 14 89 ee 48 c7 c7 68 0d c2 a0 31 c0 e8 43 ec 70 e0 <0f> 0b eb fe 48 83 c4 28 31 c0 5b 5d 41 5c 41 5d 41 5e 41 5f c3 Nov 29 09:25:46 should i panic ? Nov 29 09:28:09 your kernel may already have done that for you Nov 29 09:34:29 "Such disclosures put at risk our diplomats, intelligence professionals, and people around the world who come to the United States for assistance in promoting democracy and open government."-robert gibbs Nov 29 09:41:14 pupnik: current case or just to let us know (quiet old quotation it seems to be) Nov 29 09:43:38 maybeWTF, the kernel didn't panic :) Nov 29 09:45:12 chem|st, does it matter? The Obama administration acknowledged the fact that none of the leaks to date put people's lives in danger. http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/Review_of_WikiLeaks_docs_sees_no_smoking_gun-99261354.html Nov 29 09:45:46 "deputy assistant secretary of defense for media operations, told NBC News on Monday that a preliminary review by a Pentagon “assessment” team has so far not identified any documents whose release could damage national security. Moreover, he said, none of the documents reviewed so far carries a classification level above “secret” — the lowest category of intelligence material in terms of sensitivity. " Nov 29 09:46:32 chem|st: thouht it was ironc :) Nov 29 09:50:44 gn Nov 29 09:51:05 why do I get poor quality when calling usign skype? Nov 29 09:51:11 I reflashed my phone Nov 29 09:51:16 and flashed emmc Nov 29 09:51:26 and still I get bad quality Nov 29 09:51:39 this is frustrating Nov 29 09:51:51 lolloo, flashing your hard drives doesn't make your internet faster Nov 29 09:51:52 depends on network speed Nov 29 09:51:55 crashanddie: Expect most of these statements to be posturing Nov 29 09:51:58 I disbaled wireless powersaving but didnt help Nov 29 09:52:11 stop your p2p client Nov 29 09:52:11 :) Nov 29 09:52:24 crashanddie: First, they say that the documents are grave threat to national security and attempt classifying Wikileaks as a terrorist organization Nov 29 09:52:35 I have 8mbit dsl Nov 29 09:52:42 lolloo, in the same fashion that cleaning the tyres on your car doesn't make the engine run on marshmallows -- they're completely unrelated. Nov 29 09:52:54 ok I get it Nov 29 09:52:56 crashanddie: Once the documents are released and whatever damage is done, it is logicla to try discounting their importance Nov 29 09:53:03 but how to solve it thwn? Nov 29 09:53:06 then? Nov 29 09:53:39 how do I increase the download speed limit of my phone? Nov 29 09:53:55 RST38h, that implicitly admits that the documents damaged anything. The only damage they could've done is to the blind trust people put in their government Nov 29 09:53:57 how do I make it download bandwidth more Nov 29 09:54:20 ~enter Nov 29 09:54:21 the enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', exclamation mark '!', question mark '?', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '--', or ellipsis '...' instead. Nov 29 09:55:23 RST38h, and of recent, I haven't noticed anything that warrants that trust. The government should fear its people, not the other way around. It's time things get back in place. Nov 29 09:56:12 crashanddie: basically, government statements neither prove nor disprove anything in this case Nov 29 09:56:21 crashanddie: the documents are full of lulz though Nov 29 09:57:21 ...and Assange probably isn't going to see the next spring, one way or another... Nov 29 09:57:35 of course he is Nov 29 09:58:02 the media are following is every tweet, if he disappears, the government is going to get a lot more than just some dirty documents Nov 29 09:58:26 crashanddie: which government? :) Nov 29 09:58:59 crashanddie: Besides, the guy forcibly deflorated 18 Swiss virgins and a donkey, they can lock him up legally! Nov 29 09:59:24 hearsay, your honour Nov 29 09:59:58 crashanddie: Here are the [former] virgins, here are their statements, and this is a medical examination of the donkey, guilty. Nov 29 10:00:31 * DocScrutinizer51 curses the ID engineers that built a pinhole camera out of the ALS Nov 29 10:01:03 crashanddie: I mean, isn't there a sum of money which will make you state, on paper, that you have been raped by Julian Assange? No, seriously? Nov 29 10:01:45 RST38h: will be more like "he died in a car crash, he was speeding on his way home and lost control" that he got no car is irrelevant Nov 29 10:01:51 well, I make a fair amount, pretty much double of what a good salary is in the area, I'm not fussed about money Nov 29 10:02:27 in a room with dark ceiling and a single spotlight, the display switches from max to min on 20 degrees tilt of N900 Nov 29 10:02:31 RST38h, say I was raped? Probably not. Kill him? Definitely. Nov 29 10:02:48 RST38h, I have a reputation to hold, no remorse though. Nov 29 10:02:58 lol Nov 29 10:03:24 crashanddie: Come on, just a few minutes of humiliation, and you have got yourself a nice house and that G-class Mercedes... Nov 29 10:03:24 that's the result of placing the ALS several millimeters behind a pinhole the size of the ALS itself Nov 29 10:03:27 Heck, I'll kill him _while_ he's bumming me, for comic effect Nov 29 10:03:52 crashanddie: And you do not really need your name exposed, they will keep it secret to "protect the vectim" Nov 29 10:04:11 vicitm, sorry Nov 29 10:04:21 bollocks. I've been on the narrow end of a telelens, I know how media works Nov 29 10:04:38 definitely don't want to be on that side of the courtroom Nov 29 10:04:47 Ok, somebody else will get that house and a car Nov 29 10:05:05 There is plenty of people around, most of them would be willing to sign a paper Nov 29 10:05:06 I've got the house, and car, motorbikes and bike! Nov 29 10:05:40 Get a bum on the streets, he'll do it for a fag and a shot of the good stuff Nov 29 10:07:12 RST38h: --sidenote-- it is G-Model or [ABCEMS]-Class Nov 29 10:07:36 never heard of the Merco ABCEMS class Nov 29 10:07:40 new model? Nov 29 10:07:45 chemist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_G-Class Nov 29 10:08:12 or is that ABs-Complete Electro-Magnetic-Safety class? Nov 29 10:08:19 crashanddie_: I am just to lazy for that now... [A,B,C,E,M,S] Nov 29 10:08:27 oh Nov 29 10:09:12 500SEC Nov 29 10:09:43 AMG original Nov 29 10:09:46 RST38h: nice... that is wrong as the G is no class like the others and Daimler refers to it as G-Model Nov 29 10:10:29 hmmm, got a weird problem where I can't type numbers into a contact field, and just get the letter "p" if I try typing a zero, anyone else seen that? Nov 29 10:11:04 LOL who was that idiot to DoD wikileaks? May I guess? Nov 29 10:13:30 I never thought US special forces were SOOOO lame Nov 29 10:14:21 I wonder what they'll do when it's on torrent as a 300MB csv Nov 29 10:15:36 chemist: Daimler's naming inside .DE and outside .DE differs Nov 29 10:15:43 DocScrutinizer, it's already online Nov 29 10:15:46 chemist: That is probably the only explanation Nov 29 10:15:51 DocScrutinizer, on i2p torrent Nov 29 10:16:02 yeah, but still under attack Nov 29 10:16:09 ooh Nov 29 10:16:44 moaning Nov 29 10:16:45 Doc: They have to demonstrate to the higher-ups that they are doing something Nov 29 10:16:57 yeah Nov 29 10:17:00 Doc: DoD is the only thing they can do right away Nov 29 10:17:07 DoS, sorry :) Nov 29 10:17:11 RST38h: I guess so, but they try to keep up with all the same, I thought in the US it is refered to as G-Wagen Nov 29 10:17:31 chemist: Wasn't available in the US until very recently Nov 29 10:17:42 chemist: Russians call it gelendwagen Nov 29 10:17:54 also nice Nov 29 10:19:36 RST38h: nice, it is both even in germany... just looking at daimler.com and they mix it up just from the start themselves Nov 29 10:20:28 my uncle did the testing on the latest versions and told me that noone ever refers to it as G-Class Nov 29 10:20:46 chemist: O-class is buses, V-class is SUVs (recent), N-class is apparently delivery vans Nov 29 10:21:26 s/SUVs/minivans I guess Nov 29 10:21:49 V is Viano Nov 29 10:21:59 thats minivan Nov 29 10:22:12 actually that's all for ordinary folks. MB folks have types like W123, W126C Nov 29 10:23:16 is anyone experimenting terrible quality when making a call to a linux skype ? The people in the other side can hear me perfectly but after a while i can barely hear it ... The sound starts crackling Nov 29 10:23:40 I initially tought it could be some related to the wireless power save , so i disabled and still have the same problem. Nov 29 10:23:45 V is also Vario Vito (all the same chassis I guess) minivan sized transports Nov 29 10:24:21 lolloo: have you tried the same with SIP? Nov 29 10:24:22 achipa, hi, did you know in which case QSetting could be removed ? Nov 29 10:24:25 chm|st: there is also a tiny minivan with V designation I think Nov 29 10:24:30 lolloo: sounds like linux skype of 2006 Nov 29 10:24:33 both networks are 1Mb/512kb DSL . I made the test with no other programs using network. Nov 29 10:24:36 chemist: almost the size of B-class Nov 29 10:24:52 khertan: removed as in ? uninstall, ignore or ? Nov 29 10:25:05 RST38h: uh that small?! got a picture of that? Nov 29 10:25:35 the other end Vista Nov 29 10:25:39 I wan on my phone Nov 29 10:25:47 what do you think guys? Nov 29 10:25:57 lolloo: you want vista on your phone Nov 29 10:26:08 ? Nov 29 10:26:31 did you read what I said before Nov 29 10:26:48 chemIst: I will snap one if I see it again (it has made a nest at some courtyard near our appatment complex) Nov 29 10:27:14 The people in the other side can hear me perfectly but after a while i can barely hear it ... The sound starts crackling ... And the only solution is hang up and call again ... Nov 29 10:27:20 using skype Nov 29 10:27:22 achipa, the settings of Khweeteur seems lost at each update of pyqt Nov 29 10:27:36 khertan: do you do .sync() ? Nov 29 10:27:50 sync ... Nov 29 10:27:52 lolloo: you are repeating yourself Nov 29 10:27:53 hum .... Nov 29 10:27:58 oh, you mean you update pyqt and lose the qsettings ? Nov 29 10:28:08 achipa, yep exactly Nov 29 10:28:22 that's weird... does it get re-created in another place maybe ? Nov 29 10:28:52 achipa, i don't think Nov 29 10:29:02 lolloo: friday I was on my way out, already outside office and a skype call rang, answered it in the parking lot... Nov 29 10:29:11 asking since there is nothing version-specific in settings files... Nov 29 10:29:26 (as in qt/pyqt couldn't tell which version it was made with even if it wanted to) Nov 29 10:29:30 pr1.3? Nov 29 10:29:39 lolloo: yes Nov 29 10:29:49 other end is windows Nov 29 10:30:34 didnt The sound starts crackling Nov 29 10:30:45 after a a while.. Nov 29 10:31:09 mine does Nov 29 10:31:29 achipa, ok so surely something in my code os Nov 29 10:31:30 so Nov 29 10:34:52 lolloo: it does that at my desk as I am in a weak spot, moving just outside of my office everything is fine, and as friday night showed even outside the buidling Nov 29 10:35:13 hmmm Nov 29 10:35:40 lolloo: have you tried with another router Nov 29 10:35:47 khertan: grep/doublecheck that the config file doesn't get created in some other path by accident Nov 29 10:36:14 not really Nov 29 10:40:53 lolloo: check for tcp/udp timeouts in your router Nov 29 10:41:51 with sip, i have the same problem. crackling sounds after a few minutes. and i think it is due to incorrect timeout in tcp/udp Nov 29 10:42:54 somebody more knowledgeable than i can probably comment better. But i increased the udp timeout in my ddwrt router from 120 seconds to 300 seconds. and the situation has improved after that Nov 29 10:43:52 lolloo: you could try rebooting the router, so it looses all connections. and after the reboot you dont have any crackles, it could be that issue. Nov 29 10:47:13 wow Nov 29 10:47:30 cute explorer doesnt show any progress for moving files :) Nov 29 10:48:50 trumee: he is already gone Nov 29 10:49:45 trying to clear the sd so i can try nitdroid out Nov 29 10:49:54 I finally figured out why I couldn't get "3.5G" speeds when connected with my computer Nov 29 10:50:01 trumee: but yes, wifi settings are getting me off by now, for proper pulseaudio network usage I'd like to know more about multicast wifi protocols Nov 29 10:50:17 Macer: 009 out? Nov 29 10:50:18 if a data connection is active on the phone itself, the phone won't give me 3.5G speed on the DUN connection Nov 29 10:50:29 chem|st: dont know Nov 29 10:50:40 i honestly forgot which version i tried last Nov 29 10:50:46 i want to see if the modem works Nov 29 10:50:56 Macer: did you have gsm networking? Nov 29 10:51:03 last time i couldnt get any data over the modem Nov 29 10:51:15 but it connected to tmob i think Nov 29 10:51:22 couldnt do much with it tho Nov 29 10:51:33 they have kind of gotten the modem to work Nov 29 10:51:36 Macer: ok that is working fine, you need to remove sim-lock before booting to droid as there is no lock handler working Nov 29 10:51:57 remove sim lock? Nov 29 10:52:26 where is that in the wiki? can you point it out? Nov 29 10:52:37 Macer: I do not know why they call it sim-lock as I understand a complete different thing but what they mean is the lock-code (PIN) Nov 29 10:52:55 is that even possible? lol Nov 29 10:53:05 i thought tmob sets the pin on the sim Nov 29 10:53:24 Macer: sure but you can deactivate it any time Nov 29 10:53:43 and you can change your pin... Nov 29 10:53:43 speaking of which... tmob gave me a sim.. they forgot to remove it from a g2 my gf got Nov 29 10:53:55 really? Nov 29 10:54:11 Macer: ROFL Nov 29 10:54:14 hm.. is there a default??e of phone lock?[D[C Nov 29 10:54:24 it is a blank sim Nov 29 10:54:33 was wondering if c.j Nov 29 10:54:47 i can clone mine Nov 29 10:54:58 Macer: you simcard comes with a PIN and a PUK the first you may change or deactivate Nov 29 10:55:33 hmj.... let me take a look Nov 29 10:55:40 where would you do that in maemo? Nov 29 10:55:47 Macer: settings -> phone Nov 29 10:56:23 ok Nov 29 10:56:28 let me take a look Nov 29 10:56:39 there you need to wait a bit at it is greyed out at first Nov 29 10:56:58 on the bottom you get SIM card with a PIN code request checkbox Nov 29 10:57:07 so what isnt working? Nov 29 10:57:19 Microphone Nov 29 10:57:22 just the cams now? Nov 29 10:57:33 microphone? so no talking ? :) Nov 29 10:58:05 yes Nov 29 10:58:41 you may have some hickup with GSM/3G too depends on your network but that should work now Nov 29 10:59:11 so cams still dont work ywet too? Nov 29 10:59:23 man what i would give for a good android on this thing Nov 29 10:59:24 afair nope Nov 29 10:59:55 i mean nowadays the n900 isnt the best hardware.. but still... would be nice Nov 29 11:00:20 i would oc it to 1GHz until it burnt out hahaha Nov 29 11:01:25 so i check the box? Nov 29 11:01:42 for the request? Nov 29 11:02:13 Macer: if you look at n900 as a hardware bundle it is still the best available for low price! Nov 29 11:02:56 i suppose. the g2 has nice hardware for $400 Nov 29 11:03:12 too bad i got it for my gf lol Nov 29 11:03:21 it is like giving her an iphone Nov 29 11:03:33 Macer, the best hw is the one that make Maemo running Nov 29 11:03:36 nothing less Nov 29 11:03:37 :) Nov 29 11:03:48 Macer: and it is bound to google = nogo! Nov 29 11:03:54 chem|st: not if he wants 'droid, the san francisco is ;-) Nov 29 11:04:02 khertan: 2nd! Nov 29 11:04:30 not really. newer android lets you skip the google part Nov 29 11:04:51 :) although i guess that would mean no market Nov 29 11:04:58 Macer: nitdroid is based on 2.2 isnt it? Nov 29 11:05:08 think so... been a while Nov 29 11:05:22 last time i tried it just to see if i could get the 3G going Nov 29 11:05:27 I don't need market Nov 29 11:05:32 heh Nov 29 11:05:49 so what do i do with this sim card section? Nov 29 11:06:03 I was looking into market only once was going throw up on the usless bloat you get from it Nov 29 11:06:06 check the box or something? is there something on the wiki about this? Nov 29 11:06:12 uncheck Nov 29 11:06:21 it is already unchecked Nov 29 11:06:35 Macer: so you do not enter your PIN at startup?! Nov 29 11:06:46 no haha Nov 29 11:07:27 so that is it? just make sure it is unchecked? Nov 29 11:07:34 Macer: yes Nov 29 11:07:55 well... simple enough Nov 29 11:08:08 Macer: and for the records: I recommend to have it checked if not booting to droid! Nov 29 11:08:16 RIP Leslie Nielsen :( Nov 29 11:08:23 He was like my hero. Nov 29 11:08:25 is there something special i have to do after nitdroid is installed to get the data over 3G going? Nov 29 11:08:49 once in nitdroid? or does it just work? Nov 29 11:08:51 Macer: maybe you need some APN setup details Nov 29 11:08:58 yeah Nov 29 11:09:01 i tried that Nov 29 11:09:13 alterego, ever noticed how when he was young, he looked kinda like Daniel Craig? Nov 29 11:09:20 trked setting up the apn manually and still nothing Nov 29 11:09:37 the ap setup kept breaking on me Nov 29 11:09:41 Macer: didn't work for me the first time I tried as there are details wanted it should get from the SIM and you hardly find them on the net Nov 29 11:10:16 yeah. i founfd an apn list but i couldnt get it going Nov 29 11:10:20 but I filled the gaps and it worked Nov 29 11:10:46 ah ok Nov 29 11:10:54 i will check it out once i get the chance Nov 29 11:10:57 thanks Nov 29 11:10:58 :) Nov 29 11:11:27 Macer: and as you are oc'ed, ther might be a chance to brick your device... Nov 29 11:13:43 alterego, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/ForbiddenPlanet1-2.jpg (That's Nielsen) http://www.independent.ie/multimedia/archive/00165/DanielCraig_GC_165209b.jpg (craig) Nov 29 11:15:38 Chalmers Johnson died this weekend. he brought the term Blowback to the american psyche. Nov 29 11:15:39 Heh Nov 29 11:15:49 RIP Nov 29 11:16:15 wtf is Charlmers Johnson? Nov 29 11:16:58 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalmers_Johnson Nov 29 11:17:12 Chalmers Ashby Johnson (August 6, 1931 - November 20, 2010)[1] was an American author and professor emeritus of the University of California, San Diego. He served in the Korean war, was a consultant for the CIA from 1967–1973, and chaired the Center for Chinese Studies at the University of California, Berkeley from 1967 to 1972 Nov 29 11:17:18 If you have to link to a wiki page to summarise who he is, I'm not interested. Nov 29 11:17:28 i don't have to Nov 29 11:17:34 does that mean you're interested? Nov 29 11:17:37 plus, he's a nobody Nov 29 11:17:50 He wrote some very influential books Nov 29 11:18:05 sure, he influenced a discussion on #maemo. Props Nov 29 11:18:32 You were RIP'ing Leslie Nielsen - a true nobody Nov 29 11:18:47 I didn't :) Nov 29 11:18:51 CTF Nov 29 11:31:24 * timeless_mbp cries Nov 29 11:31:28 * timeless_mbp wants a working network Nov 29 11:31:33 will pay big buckets Nov 29 11:31:36 (size 3) Nov 29 11:35:43 haha Nov 29 11:35:57 omg copying files from the sd to the phone memory goes slow as shit Nov 29 11:36:20 * timeless_mbp slaps macer for using the nokia trademarked word 'memory' Nov 29 11:36:22 don't use it. ever. Nov 29 11:36:27 we have a trademark on it@! Nov 29 11:36:42 all your memory are belong to FI! Nov 29 11:37:33 oh yuck Nov 29 11:37:55 * timeless_mbp has diff (-+) turd in a source file Nov 29 11:37:58 -- this is bad Nov 29 11:38:01 not actual fake 1GB memory Nov 29 11:38:07 the actual storage :) Nov 29 11:38:32 going off the sd to it is so slow and it is topping my cpu Nov 29 11:38:50 err Nov 29 11:38:58 you realize the n900 has 3 or so, right? Nov 29 11:39:05 /, /home, /home/user/MyDocs Nov 29 11:39:08 just never use 'memory' Nov 29 11:39:15 it's terribly amiguous Nov 29 11:39:22 even if you manage to #define memory not_actually_memory Nov 29 11:40:08 well... / /home and MyDocs are all on the same thing... just partitioned Nov 29 11:40:20 no Nov 29 11:40:29 really? Nov 29 11:40:39 / is a different device from the other two Nov 29 11:40:49 home and MyDocs share a physical store Nov 29 11:40:52 wow. honestly didnt know that Nov 29 11:40:57 :) Nov 29 11:41:03 but since they use different file systems their perf characteristics are *also* different Nov 29 11:41:12 so really. just don't ever use the word 'memory' Nov 29 11:41:17 lesson learned? Nov 29 11:41:35 if / were on the same physical device as /home, we wouldn't need to play the stupid /opt games Nov 29 11:44:52 ok Nov 29 11:44:57 cute explorer sucks Nov 29 11:45:05 it named all the files their sizes :) Nov 29 11:45:07 wtf Nov 29 11:45:22 is there a good gui based filemanager that doesnt suck? Nov 29 11:45:36 something that can do multiple file cut/paste Nov 29 11:46:40 at least it didnt delete the shit i had on the sd. what a waste of life that was Nov 29 11:47:26 Macer: Midnight Commander Nov 29 11:48:04 gui based? :) Nov 29 11:48:46 heh. yea - use the terminal, and you won't have any problems. Nov 29 11:49:34 haha Nov 29 11:49:50 sometimes a term isnt too practical.. but i suppose i can use mc Nov 29 11:51:42 Well, I mean... -most- of what I need to do can be more easily done via the PC anyway. Anything else, CLI. Nov 29 11:51:49 But that's just me. Nov 29 11:58:33 ok Nov 29 11:58:38 filebox did the trick Nov 29 11:58:54 need to find out how to quick pick the files tho Nov 29 12:00:45 murrayc, hey I tweeted a little thing about one of your guys at the conf (Chris) https://twitter.com/lcuk/status/8683772711018496 Nov 29 12:03:27 OK. I'll have my people call his people and they can call your people. Nov 29 12:05:33 :D Nov 29 12:11:00 error: Setup script exited with error: No space left on device Nov 29 12:11:07 stupid small / Nov 29 12:11:09 gr Nov 29 12:30:44 Hm... http://bash.org/?926695 Nov 29 12:41:15 én Nov 29 12:51:11 hi all, anyone got all contacts listed for birthdays at 30.11.2010? Nov 29 12:52:26 Nope, no birthdays on 30.11.2010 Nov 29 13:11:36 alterego: do you use syncevolution btw? Nov 29 13:11:52 'cause I got that on two different phones with syncevolution Nov 29 13:23:17 Nope Nov 29 13:23:34 Saviq, what are you syncing against? (N900 vs. ..) Nov 29 13:23:56 root__: my own Funambol server Nov 29 13:24:09 and Evolution on the other side, also syncing to that server Nov 29 13:54:15 hey Nov 29 13:54:39 how can i show a note in pyqt? Nov 29 13:54:46 a banner, actually Nov 29 13:57:30 how can i show a hildon banner in pyqt? Nov 29 13:58:06 even a dbus command would be okay Nov 29 14:00:23 mc_teo: you mean a notification bar like when you are charging Nov 29 14:00:31 or disconnect ? Nov 29 14:01:17 yeah Nov 29 14:01:17 how do I debug gnome-pty-helper Nov 29 14:01:23 thats a note Nov 29 14:01:49 when it says "disconnecting charger to save energy" or whatever Nov 29 14:01:53 QMaemo5InformationBox Nov 29 14:02:05 pyqt has that? Nov 29 14:02:06 (i think it's box...) Nov 29 14:02:10 * MohammadAG checks Nov 29 14:02:40 youtubeservice.py: from PyQt4.QtMaemo5 import QMaemo5InformationBox Nov 29 14:02:59 videoinfowindow.py: QMaemo5InformationBox.information(self, "Unable to add video to your favourites") Nov 29 14:03:52 MohammadAG, actually, that ought to be a warning, rather than information Nov 29 14:05:27 that actually works Nov 29 14:05:30 videoinfowindow.py: QMaemo5InformationBox.information(self, "\'%s\' has been added to your download queue" % unicode(videoTitle, "utf-8")) Nov 29 14:05:32 happy? Nov 29 14:05:45 very Nov 29 14:05:47 :) Nov 29 14:05:50 I know, he's being a QString nazi Nov 29 14:06:01 err Nov 29 14:06:13 the fuck?! ubuntu switched to the GTK theme Nov 29 14:06:33 and it reloaded its theme, weird Nov 29 14:20:21 my nokia-maps is dead... Nov 29 14:35:46 hey Nov 29 14:35:57 how can i call that from another thread Nov 29 14:36:11 i start a thread to do stuff in the background Nov 29 14:36:43 and then let it launch a QMaemo5InformationBox when its done Nov 29 14:37:24 but the first param is the QWidget Parent, which it gives out about since its a thread Nov 29 14:41:12 mc_teo: that's bad practise. Nov 29 14:41:25 mc_teo: get it to call back, then launch the dialog in the first thread. Nov 29 14:41:47 Connect to the threads finished signal .. Nov 29 14:50:18 crashanddie, ping Nov 29 14:55:45 anybody? looking for a nitdroid Rootfs -Link (need the Kernel for kubuntu-mobile) Nov 29 14:56:26 is it this? : kernel-power-bootimg Nov 29 14:57:08 no - .. i would need the modules too Nov 29 15:03:33 Tscheesy: http://downloads.nitdroid.com/nitinstaller/Packages/ that? Nov 29 15:04:13 Tscheesy: you may ask in #nitdroid Nov 29 15:04:35 ah nice chem|st - thx.. but as i see its more easy to just install it on a sd and copy from there Nov 29 15:05:43 Tscheesy: yes thats how the nitdroid setup works but the kernel is a separate .deb Nov 29 15:06:56 i will have to check for update then? Nov 29 15:08:36 i'll just give it a try - thx Nov 29 15:29:46 DocScrutinizer, SpeedEvil, jacekowski, I figured out what the problem with my phone being stuck at "3G" was. it happens if a data connection is active on the phone itself, while also using the phone as a DUN modem at the same time. if I disconnect the phone's connection, I get full HSDPA speeds on the PC :> Nov 29 15:30:03 http://www.speedtest.net/result/1049944836.png :p Nov 29 15:30:57 I get slightly better than that ;) Nov 29 15:31:03 I get about 2Mb down Nov 29 15:31:57 depends where I am, I normally get around 1.5Mbit down in average, but anything from 0.5 to 2.5Mbit is normal Nov 29 15:40:10 fffuuuu. gprs wouldnt connect -> reboot and now the machine wont recognise the sim Nov 29 16:05:45 Funnyface: great Nov 29 16:06:15 Wondering, why is osso-xterm not capable of connecting a remote X server (when the server allows connections)? Nov 29 16:17:44 yacc: it probably has :0 hardcoded Nov 29 16:32:48 yacc: what's the use of running osso-xterm remotely when you can just use ssh and a local xterm? Nov 29 17:03:24 thp: osso-xterm was just an example. Nov 29 17:03:41 thp, starting from qemacs that would be nice on a bigger screen remotely, ... Nov 29 17:03:45 and so on. Nov 29 17:04:58 wouldn't DISPLAY=:$x qemacs work? Nov 29 17:08:27 so i'm having problems with the phone set to GSM: i can't get internet connections to work on GSM Nov 29 17:08:41 i need to switch to dual first, then connect, then switch back to gsm Nov 29 17:08:49 is that a common thing? Nov 29 17:16:00 MohammadAG_, nope, does not :( Nov 29 17:17:41 corecode, well, it's not common, one thing to consider is that GSM/GPRS cannot do voice and data communications at the same time, meaning that engaging voice will suspend data connectivity. (E.g. that's why "reverse lookup programs" that want to lookup a number in the Internet do not work that well when in GSM mode, because when they get the incoming number, they've already lost data connectivity.) Nov 29 17:17:58 no voice Nov 29 17:25:34 Hey NooBmonk3y :) Nov 29 17:25:56 hey hey alterego :) Nov 29 17:25:59 evening alls :) Nov 29 17:26:07 ey kids Nov 29 17:26:24 hi NooBmonk3y Nov 29 17:26:27 hey hey! Nov 29 17:26:31 ooo lots of peoples on :) Nov 29 17:26:33 sup girls Nov 29 17:26:36 lol Nov 29 17:26:56 Heh Nov 29 17:27:07 my n900 has decided to stop working as a phone today :P - no one can hear me on the other end of calls :P oh well :P Nov 29 17:27:36 This is where your health check app would be handy ;) Nov 29 17:27:43 lol Nov 29 17:27:48 hitting a few issues atm P Nov 29 17:27:49 told you the earphone jack was too close to the mic, and it wasn't for that kind of "jack'ing". Nov 29 17:28:08 things like the conenctivity module aren't available until 1.2 :P so i cant do bluetooth tests etc until then :| Nov 29 17:28:13 lol crash Nov 29 17:28:41 does the n900 play nice with Meego? Nov 29 17:29:20 is dual boot something experimental or something usable? Nov 29 17:31:21 NooBmonk3y: well you can, just rip out the bluetooth source and compile it in your project. Nov 29 17:31:51 * MohammadAG_ was bored, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/Qt-examples/Countdown/ Nov 29 17:33:34 alterego, was thinking so, but cant find the source yet :P Nov 29 17:33:51 found examples using it, but not the actual mobility 1.2 code :P Nov 29 17:34:28 MohammadAG_, u were bored Nov 29 17:34:55 blackthorne, dual boot is working ... but status of meego is completely experimental Nov 29 17:35:06 NooBmonk3y, yes, I was bored :P Nov 29 17:35:53 NooBmonk3y: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-mobility/qt-mobility/blobs/master/src/connectivity/bluetooth/ Nov 29 17:36:42 ooo wow Nov 29 17:36:43 * MohammadAG_ ponders making a BT messenger app Nov 29 17:36:50 darn i removed all the code i had, time to re-add! yay! Nov 29 17:36:53 ty alter! Nov 29 17:37:30 NooBmonk3y, does your current app provide all features of the Python one? Nov 29 17:38:30 np Nov 29 17:38:59 MohammadAG_, yes and no, well no Nov 29 17:39:07 it provides more extras but not all of the old yet Nov 29 17:39:14 ... Nov 29 17:39:29 get the old stuff working, then work on the rest Nov 29 17:39:34 lol i am! :P Nov 29 17:39:42 got a working list to get through Nov 29 17:39:49 ie camera's etc Nov 29 17:39:58 just left with the hard stuff :P Nov 29 17:42:58 hey chanserv Nov 29 17:43:01 hi Nov 29 17:43:36 * alterego embarks on a mamoth refactoring spree. Nov 29 17:43:46 NooBmonk3y, check if pulseaudio is running, but yeah, I'm sharing your joy, just need to find the time, and will need to reflash the stupid thing :( Nov 29 17:44:19 awww yacc just rebooted so will try calling it in a sec :) Nov 29 17:44:35 All of a sudden, after ending a call, some or many of my apps vanished.. Nov 29 17:44:37 MohammadAG_, is our resident pulseaudio fan boy ;) Nov 29 17:44:48 NooBmonk3y, check also if it can still play mp3 files and if your alarm clock works, ... Nov 29 17:44:58 need some help on this.. Nov 29 17:45:12 yacc never used the alarm clock and have to admit not tried an mp3, but developing healthcheck on it, so i probably killed it ;) Nov 29 17:45:31 NooBmonk3y, since when are people who hate something fanboys? Nov 29 17:45:32 leaky, vanished? Nov 29 17:45:38 or vanished from your desktop? Nov 29 17:45:48 lol Mo Nov 29 17:46:33 Few vanished form desktop Nov 29 17:46:37 and many from the menu Nov 29 17:46:55 but all are residing in my device when checked thro app manager Nov 29 17:47:05 overclocked device? Nov 29 17:47:08 NooBmonk3y, so you are the author of Healthcheck? Nov 29 17:47:20 yacc, yup Nov 29 17:47:23 and re-doing it :P Nov 29 17:47:58 NooBmonk3y, don't run away, I need to do groceries but afterwards I need somebody to tell why it just crashes (it always crashed on my phone from day 1) ;) Nov 29 17:48:10 i'll be here all evening :P Nov 29 17:48:19 well till the missus screams or makes bacon Nov 29 17:49:22 * slonopotamus thinks about bison everytime he sees yacc Nov 29 17:50:51 http://www.theonion.com/articles/kitten-thinks-of-nothing-but-murder-all-day,9783/ Nov 29 17:50:53 NooBmonk3ey,also that i get a info msg very often,"request incomplete".. why do this happen? Nov 29 17:51:50 leakypug, you have to give me a bit more information :P - fixing a problem without knowing anything about it is pretty tough :P lol Nov 29 17:52:01 LOL Nov 29 17:52:04 ie, what are you doing when it appears :P Nov 29 17:52:11 what firmware etc... Nov 29 17:52:16 any app? blah blah Nov 29 17:52:28 it appears,even when the device is idle.. Nov 29 17:52:59 like ehat appears when u cant recieve the information from a low end mobile when i dial *123# or*111#, Nov 29 17:53:29 ohhhhk.......... Nov 29 17:53:41 so something has to be running in the background Nov 29 17:53:48 NooBmonk3y, i guess so.. Nov 29 17:53:57 worth checking out 'top' in x-terminal Nov 29 17:54:08 you can zoom out to see what else is running too Nov 29 17:54:11 but dmesg show nothing weird in the background Nov 29 17:54:20 hmmm, could be a rogue app though Nov 29 17:54:40 NooBmonk3y, how about the first prob? desktop icons disappeared!?!?!? Nov 29 17:55:00 NooBmonk3y,are there any known viruses on n900 so far??? Nov 29 17:55:03 ahh ok, so desktop icons lol Nov 29 17:55:08 leakypug, not that i know off Nov 29 17:55:15 unless you have installed random debs Nov 29 17:55:29 desktop icons point to the hildon desktop being reset Nov 29 17:55:36 and a few apps have done that :P Nov 29 17:55:51 has it started happenning recently? Nov 29 17:55:51 How can i fix it back? Nov 29 17:55:57 yes.. Nov 29 17:56:00 very recently.. Nov 29 17:56:04 ooo ohk, hold on Nov 29 17:56:06 b4 i could join this forum :P Nov 29 17:56:12 MohammadAG_, oh god of clever things :P Nov 29 17:56:21 MohammadAG_, can you list apps on the n900 by install date? Nov 29 17:56:43 think not Nov 29 17:56:47 hmmmmmmmm Nov 29 17:57:01 leakypug, do you know what you have installed since they started appearing? Nov 29 17:57:26 appearing or disappearing??? Nov 29 17:57:40 at least not on maemo Nov 29 17:57:45 the errors appearing, and the icons disappearing lol Nov 29 17:57:52 MohammadAG_, was thinking dpkg cleverness maybe? Nov 29 17:58:08 The error started appearing as soon as i put the sim card in it.. Nov 29 17:58:15 from the day 1,NooBmonk3y.. Nov 29 17:58:17 :D Nov 29 17:58:19 oh new phone! Nov 29 17:58:24 ahaaaaaaaa Nov 29 17:58:27 second hand? Nov 29 17:58:30 or new new? Nov 29 17:58:33 nope.. Nov 29 17:58:48 brand new.. just two weeks older.. Nov 29 17:58:56 well the first thing i would do is reflash the device + emmc then Nov 29 17:59:14 reflashed already once :P Nov 29 17:59:29 oh + emmc? Nov 29 17:59:31 NooBmonk3y, you could check the date of .list files in /var/log/dpkg/info/, but that's not exactly the most accurate thing Nov 29 17:59:32 still the error appears to be persisting NooBmonk3y :P Nov 29 17:59:45 nope.. Nov 29 17:59:51 might be worth doing that Nov 29 17:59:52 so what shall i do? Nov 29 17:59:58 ty Mo, might not be needed as errord since new Nov 29 18:00:00 reflash once again and emmc? Nov 29 18:00:24 ah, thought that was for your app lol Nov 29 18:00:26 leakypug, i'd think so, that will put it back to completely new, with a nice clean start, best then to monitor it for a few days Nov 29 18:00:31 the other thing, is it an old or new sim? Nov 29 18:00:35 ~flashing Nov 29 18:00:36 well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 29 18:00:37 see flashing the eMMC, don't use -R with flasher Nov 29 18:00:44 sim is old.. Nov 29 18:00:49 3 yrs old.. Nov 29 18:00:52 * NooBmonk3y likes MohammadAG_ him and infobot together = darn amaxing lol Nov 29 18:01:08 leakypug, old SIM cards can also cause many problems, as well as draining batteries ;) Nov 29 18:01:23 oh my god!!! :o Nov 29 18:01:26 :) Nov 29 18:01:43 not allways, but it has been known :) Nov 29 18:02:16 LOL, so I'm gonna get my hands dirty on this device once again.. Nov 29 18:02:28 hehehe :P Nov 29 18:02:32 well try the flash if you can Nov 29 18:02:38 monitor it whilst you get a new sim ;) Nov 29 18:02:44 it's worth doing :p Nov 29 18:02:58 well, i had really old 5V sim car for awhile and found battery drain to be insignificant Nov 29 18:03:00 am very new to this platform, and this is my first ever smartphone NooBmonk3y. Nov 29 18:03:28 Arkenoi, doesnt happen on all but i compared two in identical phones, and the 4yr old sim was about 1 hour less on battery :P Nov 29 18:03:35 leakypug, tis a very good start! Nov 29 18:03:42 Yup.. Nov 29 18:03:45 i was/am a noob with linux and smartphones but have been loving it Nov 29 18:04:03 got mine a year ago (this wednesday, woooop!) Nov 29 18:04:08 mine was 12 years old so i am pretty sure it is not even 3V :-) Nov 29 18:04:19 wow Arkenoi , mine musta been abused ;) Nov 29 18:04:33 just i have the love and passion for maemo and meego, :P Nov 29 18:04:47 * NooBmonk3y does too! ... hoping it stays positive too! Nov 29 18:04:53 sure, Nov 29 18:05:08 hope this device keeps me high.. :D Nov 29 18:05:11 i'm getting a new device next april most likely, but might hold fire for a decent meego one :) Nov 29 18:05:37 saying that my n900 still feels pretty new to me, and never had that feeling from a phoneb4, i normally trash them :P Nov 29 18:05:53 and facebrick app gives me a bloody error,spitting at my face saying something blah blah... Nov 29 18:05:56 it also got me into coding again :) Nov 29 18:06:04 lol Nov 29 18:06:15 didnt w00t_ make facebrick? or was it someone else? Nov 29 18:06:15 I adore our n900.. :) :) Nov 29 18:06:23 its the bestest i have seen.. :) Nov 29 18:06:26 where abouts are you from btw? Nov 29 18:06:41 Chennai, India.. Nov 29 18:06:45 anyone from here??? Nov 29 18:06:55 and know anyone from here btw??? Nov 29 18:06:59 what are current "most have" performance tweaks? swappolube, fixed pulseaudio, sumething else? Nov 29 18:07:15 leakypug, http://pininthemap.com/maemo Nov 29 18:07:31 Arkenoi, oh god, there's a thread for that lol ;) Nov 29 18:07:32 thanks,NooBmonk3y Nov 29 18:07:39 more then welcome, thats why i asked hehe Nov 29 18:08:14 NooBmonk3y, i'd say plenty of those, that's why i am asking here which ones are considered important :-) Nov 29 18:08:35 leakypug, looks like two there :OP Nov 29 18:08:43 post that link in any indian maemo forums you find :) Nov 29 18:08:45 i always had the insecure feeling that will i be able to solve the bugs with my device if some arise,. Nov 29 18:08:57 but fortunately many bugs arose and so am here now :) :) Nov 29 18:08:58 leakypug, you will learn :) :) Nov 29 18:09:15 hehe, in 99% of cases there is a fix or a known bug + workaround Nov 29 18:09:34 there have been cases of faulty n900's but, not that common Nov 29 18:09:54 Arkenoi: PulseAudio is certainly the most important one to me. Nov 29 18:10:11 ooo good point, i never installed the fixed pulseaudio Nov 29 18:10:26 and sorry that i dont know whose facebrick am using.. Nov 29 18:10:34 alterego, btw thank you very much for that link :) - gonna try the bluetooth thing again tonight :0 Nov 29 18:10:39 lol leakypug Nov 29 18:10:49 and u r from?? Nov 29 18:11:35 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49216&highlight=facebrick it is w00t_ Nov 29 18:11:35 ah it was autodisconnect Nov 29 18:11:45 leakypug, Worthing, england :) (South coast) Nov 29 18:12:17 and MohammadAG_ lives in timbuktoo, or some other ass end of nowhere place ;) hehehe Nov 29 18:14:48 Bermuda triangle actually Nov 29 18:15:15 lol Mo Nov 29 18:15:22 are people not disappearing over bermuda nowdays??? ;) Nov 29 18:15:30 not functional, but still, new to C http://i52.tinypic.com/33f6wx2.jpg Nov 29 18:15:38 leakypug, I have an RPG for such incidents Nov 29 18:15:48 * MohammadAG_ looks at shot down planes Nov 29 18:15:52 they were good fellows Nov 29 18:16:13 ow.. Nov 29 18:16:29 MohammadAG_, shouldn't HEN have a picture of a hen? :P hehe Nov 29 18:17:00 NooBmonk3y, lol Nov 29 18:17:40 I don't get why it doesn't follow a layout Nov 29 18:17:47 guys, feel secure now.. Nov 29 18:18:00 will u be available at this time everyday? Nov 29 18:18:33 leakypug, most of this lot are here even when they sleep :P Nov 29 18:18:40 and is there any possibilty that i chat with you guys from my device? Nov 29 18:18:40 i'm here about this time most days for a few hours Nov 29 18:18:47 leakypug, xchat :) Nov 29 18:18:49 Lol,then am sleeping... :) Nov 29 18:18:50 ;) Nov 29 18:18:53 it works from the device fine :) Nov 29 18:19:18 but i felt the device slowing down when there was almost 1.3gb of installable space.. Nov 29 18:19:36 isn't it weird? Nov 29 18:20:02 leaky as mentioned before there are many many tweaks you can make to the device (like installing swapolube etccc) they all help for speed :) Nov 29 18:20:32 leakypug, the amount of space doesnt effect the speed, but having a single heavy application may do :) Nov 29 18:20:38 swapolube? Nov 29 18:20:47 lcuk, having bacon on your device can affect the visibility too :( Nov 29 18:20:57 oh whatever that swapo thing is called Nov 29 18:20:59 Evening, punks Nov 29 18:21:03 NooBmonk3y, nahh that just makes apps faster Nov 29 18:21:05 lo RST38h Nov 29 18:21:08 swapo thing is snakeoil Nov 29 18:21:09 lol lcuk Nov 29 18:21:09 oh... thanks for ur patience to answer this noob.. :) Nov 29 18:21:17 leakypug, :) not a problem at all :) Nov 29 18:22:17 can u suggest me some application catalogues? Nov 29 18:24:09 leakypug, not sure i would recommend any straight off, extras-testing and devel are probably more suited once you get used to the device as there are apps in development etc, but just google n900 repositories :0 Nov 29 18:24:52 Thank you man.. Nov 29 18:24:53 :) Nov 29 18:24:58 you could add the meego repository *grin* Nov 29 18:25:21 is there anyway,i can increase the number of desktops betond 4??? Nov 29 18:25:26 *beyond? Nov 29 18:26:15 leakypug, up to 9 i think Nov 29 18:26:19 never tried though Nov 29 18:26:30 wow!!! how,though?? Nov 29 18:26:42 leakypug, custom replacement hildon-desktop Nov 29 18:27:02 and this MeeGo and NITDroid thing tis my aspiration for buying n900.. Nov 29 18:27:15 dual boot functionality.. Nov 29 18:27:38 I'd like to get my hands on them as soon as possible.. Nov 29 18:28:24 http://www.lookatbowen.com/2010/10/how-to-have-9-sexy-desktops-on-your-nokia-n900 Nov 29 18:28:50 thanks for the link :) Nov 29 18:29:44 leakypug, be carefull with nitdroid and meego Nov 29 18:29:59 careful as in??? Nov 29 18:30:09 neither are fully realeased yet and there has been lots of issues with people trying both, as the two booting things (uboot, multiboot) seem to have caused problems Nov 29 18:30:17 both are demo's as they work on them Nov 29 18:30:35 so nitdroid is probably 70%% complete and meego 1.1 is even less complete at the moment Nov 29 18:32:15 Ya, i could see the news on MeeGo's pages... Nov 29 18:32:26 right gonna go sort healthcheck, bbiab Nov 29 18:33:05 adios NooBmonk3y :) Nov 29 18:33:13 ciaoooooooooo Nov 29 18:33:22 so lcuk, hi to you :) Nov 29 18:33:37 am hi to you too Mo :) Nov 29 18:33:55 \o Nov 29 18:34:55 hi :) Nov 29 18:34:57 * MohammadAG_ curses C Nov 29 18:35:43 I'm doing something wrong, and it's not saying what that is Nov 29 18:36:07 show Nov 29 18:39:05 blah, when trying to install the sdk I get this: Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! Nov 29 18:40:47 vdso disabled? Nov 29 18:41:08 and are you following manual? Nov 29 18:41:40 should be I had it previously installed via Gentoo but now doing it manually Nov 29 18:42:33 MohammadAG_, hi, c isnt so bad and it only does what you ask it, plenty of printfs if you are unsude Nov 29 18:44:12 lcuk, I was using the example and changes some strings, which kinda broke it Nov 29 18:55:59 MohammadAG_: is that power kernel you are using? Nov 29 18:58:21 Guys, anybody with Power Kernel please enlighten me. If i install power kernel, and dont mess around with kernel-config. Is the Max/Min frequency limits the same as stock kernel? Nov 29 18:58:32 trumee, yup Nov 29 19:00:29 NooBmonk3y: then what is this about, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66331 Nov 29 19:00:30 ~seen timsamoff Nov 29 19:00:40 timsamoff <~timsamoff@Maemo/community/contributor/timsamoff> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 14d 6h 56m 47s ago, saying: 'Just beginning... But, then Jim asked another ?'. Nov 29 19:01:28 NooBmonk3y: Shouldnt the cpu comparison between stock and power kernel be the same since they should use the same frequency. Nov 29 19:01:54 trumee, should be, but then it depends on his device and what other alterations he has Nov 29 19:01:54 assuming that i didnt mess around with kernel-config. Nov 29 19:02:04 i use the power kernel at normal levels fine :P Nov 29 19:02:14 v 40 though lol Nov 29 19:02:21 NooBmonk3y: do you use sip with power kernel? Nov 29 19:02:26 ahhh no sorry Nov 29 19:02:46 NooBmonk3y: my sip call is 20% higher as i posted in that tmo thread. Nov 29 19:04:15 :| Nov 29 19:21:04 NooBmonk3y: H-E-N is my creation, and no, it is unrelated to a hen Nov 29 19:22:08 * NooBmonk3y wonders if DocScrutinizer has ever understood "jokes" "comedy" "fun things" etc etc........ Nov 29 19:22:30 * DocScrutinizer is a grumpty old fart Nov 29 19:22:33 lol :P Nov 29 19:22:36 * NooBmonk3y passes the sugar Nov 29 19:22:53 oooo bacon flavoured sugar . hmmmmmmmmm Nov 29 19:23:38 you might be interested in H-E-N meaning Hosmode-Easy-Now Nov 29 19:24:40 DocScrutinizer, http://i55.tinypic.com/2dvvpjl.jpg Nov 29 19:24:55 o.O Nov 29 19:25:01 NooBmonk3y : close, but not a hen. Nov 29 19:25:11 RevdKathy, i agree entirely ;) Nov 29 19:25:16 eveeeeeeeeeeeeeening Nov 29 19:25:32 it should at least have added eggs, as then there would finally be a bacon link ;) Nov 29 19:26:20 MohammadAG_: :-D \o/ Nov 29 19:26:37 MohammadAG_: thumbs up Nov 29 19:26:45 DocScrutinizer, :) Nov 29 19:27:13 now just to add the function to it (should be easy), and of course, hide it using signals from h-e-n Nov 29 19:27:36 i.e, user clicks mount, applet shows, user clicks unmount in applet or in h-e-n, hide applet Nov 29 19:27:57 Is it okay to use OSM maps in commercial software? Nov 29 19:28:14 * alterego is contemplating adding mapping ... Nov 29 19:28:40 Probably not for v1 though .. Nov 29 19:28:41 MohammadAG_: I suggest you use the well known term "safely remove" or maybe a combination, like "H-E-N safely remove\nunmount partitions" Nov 29 19:28:58 Safely remove device Nov 29 19:29:16 whatever it is in LANG=C Nov 29 19:29:55 * DocScrutinizer pokes alterego Nov 29 19:30:46 what is the default font in Xchat for N900? Nov 29 19:31:16 I messed it up and now igt feels wierd with the new font! Nov 29 19:31:43 I forgot what was the defaultfont was! Nov 29 19:33:35 South Korean defense minister Kim Tae-young was questioned by one politician why the South's retaliation was delayed 13 minutes and not forceful enough, to which Kim replied, "This isn't StarCraft." Nov 29 19:34:41 Hahah Nov 29 19:37:14 hahahaha Nov 29 19:37:29 they need to work on their micro Nov 29 19:38:37 didn't they fire him? Nov 29 19:38:52 funny lad. Nov 29 19:39:13 they replaced him with a mad lad! Nov 29 19:40:24 wow. seems that installing fixed pulseaudio package resolved the problem with media player being unresponsive to touchscreen control while playing video completely. I wonder why wasn't it included with PR1.3 Nov 29 19:40:53 omg can you lead me to it please. Nov 29 19:41:29 Arkenoi, where can I get fixed pulseaudio package from? Nov 29 19:43:03 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7190 here Nov 29 19:43:05 Bug 7190: music stutters while multi-tasking, especially browsing web Nov 29 19:44:24 where is the package? Nov 29 19:45:46 https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=3194 Nov 29 19:47:10 oh cool thanks, How do I install it? Nov 29 19:48:01 I have kernel46, will it be a problem? Nov 29 19:49:35 oh failed! Nov 29 19:53:43 does a 30awg usb cable sound like it will be crap to anyone who is an EE? Nov 29 19:54:11 incompatibil package. failed to install Nov 29 19:54:15 why? Nov 29 19:54:45 when installing package for pulseaudio Nov 29 19:54:52 ieatlint: yes Nov 29 19:55:19 Hi is the apt cache saved between reboot ? Nov 29 19:55:22 yeah, seemed low... i thought 24awg was standard and 28awg was pushing it Nov 29 19:55:55 ieatlint: just because of the fact that the specification 30awg doesn't mean a thing and so it's likely the cable will be crap Nov 29 19:56:33 need to buy more microusb cables and trying not to get the shittiest ones this time Nov 29 19:57:04 lolloo, screw ham, use dpkg Nov 29 19:57:25 hehehe your right Nov 29 19:57:42 so is it dpkg -i ? Nov 29 19:58:48 yes Nov 29 19:59:03 is there a way to hide something from the status bar? Nov 29 19:59:10 I don't see anything like that in the .h file :/ Nov 29 20:01:21 Khweeteur 0.0.52 is now available in Maemo Extras Testing please test it, and vote for it. Nov 29 20:01:21 you mean to make animation fadde effect to make it disappear. Nov 29 20:03:08 no, to remove an icon from the status menu Nov 29 20:03:12 without removing the widget Nov 29 20:03:31 hm Nov 29 20:03:35 use tweaker Nov 29 20:04:11 why does moving files betweeh the sd and phone kill the cpu? Nov 29 20:04:17 sorry but i ve just update my phone , this ean that i m on pr1.3 ? Nov 29 20:04:39 MohammadAG_: check any example, like simple brightness applet Nov 29 20:05:00 flashlight app to Nov 29 20:05:23 nope, flashlight doesn't have an icon in status bar afaik Nov 29 20:05:23 the led flashlight app? Nov 29 20:05:29 i miss that lol Nov 29 20:05:36 oh right! Nov 29 20:05:38 thanks Nov 29 20:05:40 troulouliou, use uname -r in xterm. Nov 29 20:06:02 Macer, yes Nov 29 20:06:05 DocScrutinizer: are these speaker cables good enough? http://www.amazon.com/AudioQuest-K2-terminated-speaker-cable/product-reviews/B000J36XR2/ Nov 29 20:06:20 2.6.28.10power46 Nov 29 20:06:36 can not be that Nov 29 20:07:09 thats the latest power kernel. Nov 29 20:07:09 ah, a boolean Nov 29 20:07:27 so that mean i m on PR1.3 ? Nov 29 20:08:12 yes you should be, I think power46 is for PR1.3 Nov 29 20:08:45 hmm, or not Nov 29 20:09:02 MohammadAG_: lolloo: simple brightness has an icon in status bar that's only visible when "don't dim screen" is activated Nov 29 20:09:43 setting it to NULL, I see Nov 29 20:09:53 DocScrutinizer, yeah, I know, activated when holding the button too Nov 29 20:10:26 troulouliou, If you check the version of mp-fremantle-generic-pr with dpkg -l command and it is 20.2010.36-2, you have Nov 29 20:11:14 hmmm does anyone know the best place totry and figure out a qlistwidget.... (Stylesheets i mean) - struggling to find any good places to get info on it, the qt pages provide 1 rather poor example :| Nov 29 20:11:28 dpkg -l mp-fremantle* actually Nov 29 20:11:44 ok thanks Nov 29 20:11:46 pupnik: heh? Nov 29 20:12:52 ugh. wtf Nov 29 20:13:02 why is storage on the n900 so cpu intense and slow Nov 29 20:13:22 Macer: probably a bug Nov 29 20:13:26 maybe Nov 29 20:13:45 just moving files between the sd and phone storage takes FOREVER.. and the phone is pretty much useless while doing it Nov 29 20:14:03 it only happens to me when trying to access eMMC and uSD concurrently Nov 29 20:14:34 even then not always Nov 29 20:14:37 yeah. that is what i am doing Nov 29 20:14:45 i am copying from the sd to the phone storage Nov 29 20:14:49 well.. moving actually Nov 29 20:14:51 it is horrible Nov 29 20:16:12 ah finally. it finished Nov 29 20:18:06 it's really annoying tbh Nov 29 20:25:26 Your face Nov 29 20:26:59 No yours. Nov 29 20:27:59 Damnit, I always get beat in thte same way :( Nov 29 20:28:26 lol Nov 29 20:38:48 aghhh god darn qlistwidgets and css Nov 29 20:39:17 yay!!!!! Nov 29 20:39:18 lol Nov 29 20:39:22 get stressed and it all works Nov 29 20:48:06 I think I should get a bluetooth heart rate monitor and write a plugin for my app :) Nov 29 20:48:19 For some reason the statistics stuff has got me wanting one ^.^ Nov 29 20:49:47 alterego, don't laugh, my blood pressure monitor seats exactly behind me, don't even have to turn to grab it :-P Nov 29 20:50:56 signal sender=:1.71 -> dest=(null destination) serial=12 path=/org/maemo/hen; interface=org.maemo.hen; member=mountButtonClicked Nov 29 20:50:59 signal sender=:1.71 -> dest=(null destination) serial=13 path=/org/maemo/hen; interface=org.maemo.hen; member=unmountButtonClicked Nov 29 20:50:59 yay :D Nov 29 21:01:24 MohammadAG_: good job :) Nov 29 21:03:22 alterego, DocScrutinizer http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=885798&postcount=505 Nov 29 21:03:35 now I just have to figure out how to connect the signal in C/Gtk :) Nov 29 21:03:50 MohammadAG_, nice Nov 29 21:04:44 Heh, why? Nov 29 21:04:59 Because you're doing a status bar menu button? Nov 29 21:05:19 already did Nov 29 21:05:34 Ah, I've been meaning to do a Qt example of one of those. Nov 29 21:05:35 I just need to show/hide it when the signal is sent Nov 29 21:06:14 Cool Nov 29 21:06:44 alterego, you can do them in Qt? Nov 29 21:06:48 Does this make sense, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=885804#post885804 Nov 29 21:07:08 MohammadAG_: you should be able to, with a bit of hacking yes. Nov 29 21:07:28 alterego, I'm quite happy with gtk then :P http://i55.tinypic.com/15s4oq8.jpg Nov 29 21:07:31 I wouldn't bother for what you're doing without someone (maybe me) coming up with a decent easy way to do it ;) Nov 29 21:07:37 why did I paste that, again Nov 29 21:07:53 Power kernel locks the device at 600MHz compared to 500 of stock kernel. Plus pulseaudio eats more cpu at this higher frequency. Nov 29 21:08:02 Don't like you using h-e-n in your UI :P Nov 29 21:08:18 Can't you change it to "USB Hostmode" or something a bit more user intuitive. Nov 29 21:08:38 ask DocScrutinizer, he named it, not me Nov 29 21:08:44 pfft Nov 29 21:08:57 I know it's the project name, but you don't have to go around pasting it on all your UIs Nov 29 21:09:50 it's the same UI lol Nov 29 21:10:07 * MohammadAG_ ponders Nov 29 21:10:47 anybody using Power Kernel? Nov 29 21:12:45 * trumee wishes there was another kernel apart from Power Kernel with NAT support. Nov 29 21:13:28 compile your own Nov 29 21:14:20 alterego: there's a project name, and there's a descriptive name. What got canola to do with mp3? So don't you think H-E-N is appropriate for project and app NAME, while USB hostmode is the app *description* Nov 29 21:15:47 tbh I think H-E-N is way nicer than e.g fapman Nov 29 21:15:51 MohammadAG_: not a bad idea. Can i do that in scracthbox? Nov 29 21:15:59 yes Nov 29 21:16:03 DocScrutinizer: I'm talking about the names of buttons in UIs Nov 29 21:16:21 oh, you mean the status bar applet? Nov 29 21:16:37 is google down? *shrugs* Nov 29 21:16:38 DocScrutinizer: I'm not saying rename the project, h-e-n is fine. I'm talking about a button label that should be "USB Hostmode" imo Nov 29 21:16:54 Something a bit more user friendly. Nov 29 21:17:03 And more meaningful in the context. Nov 29 21:17:11 * MohammadAG_ understands that Nov 29 21:17:12 so if you like to discuss then, then use proper terminology. It's debatable if a button needs the project name or better have the function description or both Nov 29 21:17:34 for a newcommer, h-e-n in the status bar might be better as USB Host mode Nov 29 21:17:57 wohooooooooo healthcheck is 1.6mb as a deb and 3mb exec file, genius Nov 29 21:18:11 hmmm i need to figure out how to optimise this bad boy i feel Nov 29 21:18:11 o_O Nov 29 21:18:16 what the fuck? Nov 29 21:18:17 I don't care to discuss it, I'm just putting across my point-of-view, you don't have to listen to it and I'm not trying to mock you or anything :P Nov 29 21:18:27 do you have a resource file or something? Nov 29 21:19:03 alterego, i kind of gree that h-e-n is rediculous, but then names grow on people :) - it makes no sense to normal people though! Nov 29 21:19:18 MohammadAG_, healthcheck is taking over the world, 1 byte at a time Nov 29 21:19:22 I just think that buttons should be succinct and easily understandable. Nov 29 21:19:33 Oh, and translateable :P Nov 29 21:19:43 Don't forget about the non-natives :D Nov 29 21:19:54 alterego, feel free to make me a .po file, I never looked into them :P Nov 29 21:19:59 lol Nov 29 21:20:19 I can easily use dcgettext or whatever it's called Nov 29 21:20:28 MohammadAG_: I've not actually included any translations in any of my apps, but I do support it in the code when I write it :D Nov 29 21:20:37 hmmmm if i add all the source files into the same folder for hc.... its not the end of the world? i just need to make sure when it builds it goes into opt? :) Nov 29 21:20:38 MohammadAG_: in Qt, you just use tr() Nov 29 21:20:50 Like: QLabel(tr("English"), this); Nov 29 21:20:53 alterego, it's gtk, the Qt UI is translatable Nov 29 21:20:58 Ah, m'kay. Nov 29 21:21:00 alterego: MohammadAG_: I suggest "H-E-N USB-Hostmode\nSafely remove " Nov 29 21:21:30 Yeah, fine with that, but I don't see the point in having the project name in there :P Nov 29 21:22:41 alterego, .po? please? :P Nov 29 21:22:57 alterego: ( tr() ) ...and QtLinguist. Done that a lot for twinkle Nov 29 21:23:06 is there better irreco ui? both irreco and qtirreco are quite ugly and do not follow any reasonable human interface guidelines Nov 29 21:23:21 Arkenoi++ Nov 29 21:23:34 DocScrutinizer: yeah, not done any translations. but I'll accept them when the app is out there :D Nov 29 21:23:39 rather, the UI isn't too bad, but I couldn't figure out how to get it to do anything useful Nov 29 21:23:40 Or I can get someone to translate them ^.^ Nov 29 21:23:50 why the fuck is listening to dbus so hard in C? Nov 29 21:24:26 MohammadAG_: I'm really wondering what's the concept behind the h-e-n GUI d-bus API Nov 29 21:25:15 DocScrutinizer, someone made a cursor package to enable the cursor and complained that hostmode doesn't report or something Nov 29 21:25:20 btw, can "fixed" pulseaudio performance be improved with config tricks by SavageD or is it "preconfigured" properly? Nov 29 21:25:24 MohammadAG_: please be aware API design isn't something done in a sloppy mood Nov 29 21:25:46 other than that, I use it to show/hide the widget, obviously I don't want it in my status bar all the time Nov 29 21:26:02 :nod: Nov 29 21:26:25 I'll use it even, haven't figured out C + DBus yet Nov 29 21:26:34 nevertheless it's not exactly GUI's duty to do d-bus notifications about hostmode status Nov 29 21:26:38 easy in python, easier in Qt, but.. meh Nov 29 21:26:58 DocScrutinizer, it doesn't exactly report hostmode's status, only user interactions with the app Nov 29 21:27:03 there could be other even concurrent UIs accessing jrbme Nov 29 21:28:16 jrbme is handling vboost and hostmode activation, and probably it also should do d-bus notifications Nov 29 21:29:50 jrbme is a script, it can't come close to a proper C/C++ daemon :P Nov 29 21:30:10 MohammadAG_: these are system architecture considerations that need careful evaluation prior to establishing a defacto standard that later on will bite your ass as all the app developers start bitching about new version is breaking API compatibility Nov 29 21:31:39 MohammadAG_: you're telling BS and this isn't even a valid argument when discussing API, as it's not your business as API user to decide about implementation details of the API server (like which language it's developed in) Nov 29 21:33:15 I'm just saying my opinion, a script writing to a file can't do what a C daemon can do Nov 29 21:33:15 "let me provide the API in userland, as I don't like the language you used to implement your system daemon"" C'MON Nov 29 21:33:58 MohammadAG_: you got no idea about what a script can do, and that's not your business anyway Nov 29 21:34:02 anyways, off to bed, school tomorrow Nov 29 21:34:04 night Nov 29 21:35:19 that's the difference between ordinary devels and real hackers. Real hackers can code FORTRAN usinf any arbitrary language Nov 29 21:35:59 sure asembler... Nov 29 21:36:25 ordinary devels, esp when they are young and unexperienced, tend to think the quality of a program depends on the language used Nov 29 21:36:26 and better stay in redhat 7.0 Nov 29 21:36:29 :) Nov 29 21:36:58 sure not, but you can write easy Nov 29 21:37:06 or hard way Nov 29 21:37:33 also after compiling where is some another aspects Nov 29 21:37:41 that's the only point - there may be differences in complexity and effort to implement the same function in different languages Nov 29 21:38:03 totally agree Nov 29 21:39:13 wikileaks :) Nov 29 21:39:26 and the result may have some immutable properties like relatively slow execution speed, or paricularly lean program text, or whatever Nov 29 21:39:48 interesting new leaks Nov 29 21:40:11 i like python, java Nov 29 21:40:23 qt :/ Nov 29 21:40:29 so while you *can* implement a FFT in shellscripting, you probably might want to go for C or even assembler to do that, just for the benefit of speed Nov 29 21:40:47 for hostmode speed is a negligible factor Nov 29 21:40:55 c+ better Nov 29 21:41:03 or c :/ Nov 29 21:42:45 c+? Nov 29 21:43:28 hell, I implemented complete CIM incl machine control in COBOL, and used a lot of assembler libs aka external function calls - just because the customer said he want us to use COBOL for it. Was feasible and worked, and even earned an award for best factory automation Nov 29 21:45:20 and now mohammad tells me what I can and what I can't do by using shellscripting - LOL Nov 29 21:45:42 bash? :/ Nov 29 21:46:08 I try to avoid bashisms, that wouldn't meet the design goals Nov 29 21:46:47 :) Nov 29 21:46:58 and hell yes, maybe one day I'll refactor it in C Nov 29 21:47:27 but first jrbme alpha will be messybox script. period Nov 29 21:48:13 I'm much for agile progarmming paradigm Nov 29 21:49:05 not for optimizing startup speed of (h-e-n) GUI by porting it from python to C++/Qt, while still in beta state Nov 29 21:50:08 h-e-n nice one Nov 29 21:50:24 if mohammad is getting fun out of that, ok. His cup of turksih tea. Nov 29 21:50:37 :) Nov 29 21:51:07 But creating an API by a shot from the hip isn't a wise thing to do Nov 29 21:52:18 actually jrbme takes quite a bit longer, just because the API has to be fully specified and verified and evaluated prior to first even alpha release Nov 29 21:52:42 jrbme??. Nov 29 21:52:53 jrbme just replaces bme Nov 29 21:53:09 and jrbme will manage hostmode Nov 29 21:53:21 get it Nov 29 21:54:49 guys extras-testing repo is not working here Nov 29 21:54:59 anyone has he same? Nov 29 21:55:07 DUH WUT? that's new Nov 29 21:55:15 :-P Nov 29 21:55:15 DocScrutinizer: nothing is set in stone yet, think of what he's doing as a prototype, you don't have to be so negative and cynical about it. Nov 29 21:55:35 since when was it down? Nov 29 21:55:45 A couple of dbus signals isn't an API spec ffs. Nov 29 21:55:46 alterego: FOSS is about clear words. I'm not cynical Nov 29 21:56:40 alterego: a couple of dbus signals sets a de-facto standard that's virtually impossible to change later on Nov 29 21:56:59 I think you're over dramatising the situation :P Nov 29 21:57:09 and yes, it *IS* a part of an API Nov 29 21:57:12 why is the repos are down? Nov 29 21:57:52 I'm not dramatising anything. I just say it's wrong Nov 29 21:58:00 lolloo: it's working fine. Nov 29 21:58:07 lolloo: check your network settings. Nov 29 21:58:20 DocScrutinizer: I say it's fine, agile development works. Nov 29 21:58:23 and I say this in the most clear word I can find, before it actually gets deployed Nov 29 21:58:25 Rigid specifications break. Nov 29 21:59:06 For something so early in it's life cycle a bit of flexibility is probably better. Nov 29 21:59:27 and that's exactly what agile programming is all about. Create something, get cheers or flames, destroy it and dump the idea, do something better Nov 29 21:59:42 Still, I'm sure if you actually helped him design the API it'd be better for everyone :P Nov 29 21:59:50 but agile programming also is about an incredible amount of discipline Nov 29 22:00:10 Well, he needs to learn and he's been doing a _LOT_ of good work. Nov 29 22:01:07 alterego: aha. I didn't only help him to design the the GUI, I even specified it to the detail, as you can see in this one tmo post. And helping him with specification of the API was exactly what I did Nov 29 22:01:23 Oh, I didn't know that. Nov 29 22:01:26 I told him it's not a good idea to have any such API in the GUI Nov 29 22:02:03 and I told him he should leave that to jrbme Nov 29 22:02:20 as that API is better done in system than in userland Nov 29 22:02:37 so what more of a help can I give? Nov 29 22:02:50 Heh Nov 29 22:04:40 and yes, I get cynical when somebody starts to tell me about system architecture considerations based on the languge certain subsystems are implemented in. This bit of cynism is needed to make people start to rethink their notion Nov 29 22:10:11 ohh, missed one of your posts... -- yes, mohammad did an amazing amount of learning and good work in the last maybe 6 months Nov 29 22:11:23 and I hope he won't feel pissed about me telling him in clear words where I think he's right and where I see he's asking for trouble Nov 29 22:11:42 :) Nov 29 22:12:46 what was the smartest way to sync dirs with different versions of files, but just transfer the diffs of them and apply them? Nov 29 22:13:10 rsync Nov 29 22:13:20 ahhhh... thanks :) Nov 29 22:13:39 any parameters needed for that? Nov 29 22:14:29 yeah, a friggin zoo Nov 29 22:14:44 coool, i always wanted one :D Nov 29 22:14:46 sorry, I really can't recall all of them Nov 29 22:15:15 take a beer and chips, then do man rsync Nov 29 22:15:24 beer don't like Nov 29 22:15:32 chips make the keyboard dirty Nov 29 22:15:44 Coffee + Biscuit? :) Nov 29 22:15:47 so a plain man is sufficent x) Nov 29 22:16:14 alterego: that's more likely to happen :) Nov 29 22:16:51 hm, rsync -av(n) seems to do the job :) Nov 29 22:17:21 is very helpful to have on the n900 where copying some stuff can result in an unresponsive revice Nov 29 22:18:22 i just recall somebody having had done some tests and stating a class6 mem is supposed to be faster than the internal emmc... can anybody confirm that? Nov 29 22:18:24 mikki-kun: when it comes to rsync, I usually just google rsync + (my required functionality) :) Nov 29 22:18:47 mikki-kun: I was under the impression that the internal emmc should be == class 10 Nov 29 22:18:50 But you never know .. Nov 29 22:18:56 ohhh, ok Nov 29 22:19:08 but the IOs are f'd somehow Nov 29 22:19:20 too much pointing there Nov 29 22:19:37 there's also an rsync GUI frontend in extras-* Nov 29 22:19:40 shame it isn't faster or at least having better IOs :( Nov 29 22:20:08 DocScrutinizer: was just about to kill it and then reinstall it :) Nov 29 22:20:17 that's why i am doing a backup :) Nov 29 22:21:42 but i think about installing it :) Nov 29 22:22:57 alterego, this ones gonna need a weekend to fix i feel ;) - https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/healthcheck_2.9.1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt Nov 29 22:23:06 (really messy! lol!) Nov 29 22:23:14 is it possible to do xtunneling from the n900 to my netbook? (just curious as it never seems to work, it might be due to the x-server being stripped down or something) Nov 29 22:30:04 you mean display stuff from the notebook on the n900? Nov 29 22:31:06 in short - yes - but you need xhost on the n900 Nov 29 22:31:19 or alternatively, forward an xhost to the n900 Nov 29 22:31:20 SpeedEvil: the other way around Nov 29 22:31:33 just setting DISPLAY works for me Nov 29 22:31:53 though for individual programs only Nov 29 22:32:04 that is what i was looking for Nov 29 22:32:18 not for the whole screen, for that i have vnc Nov 29 22:32:35 can you tell me how you set up "DISPLAY"? Nov 29 22:33:14 export DISPLAY=my.host:0 Nov 29 22:33:20 foo Nov 29 22:34:07 my.host is an IP? Nov 29 22:35:05 * DocScrutinizer wonders why ssh -X doesn't work Nov 29 22:35:15 makes me wonder as well Nov 29 22:35:20 http://pastebin.ca/2006289 Nov 29 22:35:23 like that Nov 29 22:35:44 ssh'ing to my netbook from my n900 makes my n900 run the stuff from my netbook and showing it there Nov 29 22:35:58 openoffice e.g. works way better this way ^^ Nov 29 22:36:23 you need to turn off powersaving if you're using X over wifi Nov 29 22:36:30 Otherwise it's quite painfully slow Nov 29 22:36:51 can that be done on the fly with a command? Nov 29 22:39:19 Of course. Nov 29 22:39:23 Put the above in a script Nov 29 22:39:44 somehow I haven't found a clear answer to this question...can pr 1.3 be installed over-the-air from app manager without reflashing and if so, how much space might it need on rootfs? Nov 29 22:40:41 yes Nov 29 22:40:48 over 9000 kilobytes Nov 29 22:40:58 I think it's over 60?M Nov 29 22:41:04 I'm unsure of the actual requirement Nov 29 22:41:08 hmm... Nov 29 22:41:37 I have like 49 Nov 29 22:41:52 extra repos disabled Nov 29 22:41:59 SpeedEvil: you've been seeing too many "what does the scouter say about his power level?" x) Nov 29 22:42:12 alterego, https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/healthcheck_2.9.1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt :P getting there lol :P Nov 29 22:42:55 and i meant the switching between powersaving and full power :) Nov 29 22:45:08 SpeedEvil: http://pastebin.ca/2006289 doesn't work for me, still osso-backup opens up on N900 screen Nov 29 22:47:17 dinno - works for me Nov 29 22:47:21 ok, might follow this example verbatim, but I don't think it will work Nov 29 22:48:04 hopefully my n900 will become fast and responsive again :) Nov 29 22:48:16 i kinda killed it the last months with not taking care what i install Nov 29 22:50:41 pr1.3 did wonders for responsiveness Nov 29 22:50:41 ahhhh, i see it already coming, mynokia and the nokia hands x) Nov 29 22:51:28 and it should have host-mode :) Nov 29 22:51:40 at least in a beta stage Nov 29 22:52:03 has anybody been able to mount some usb with that? Nov 29 22:54:16 so much for responsiveness... i go into main menu and it freezes x) Nov 29 22:55:33 ok me stumped why would i be getting this error with autobuilder, if i'm sure the file is there? /usr/bin/rcc: File does not exist '../hcimages.qrc' Nov 29 22:55:52 double checked the spelling, no capitals, all fine,r eally confused Nov 29 22:55:56 is anybody going to buy the n9 if it get's released? Nov 29 22:56:05 mikki-kun, depends what it is like :P Nov 29 22:56:40 if it is not really much better hardware-wise than the n900 and maybe a little worse software wise than the n900? Nov 29 22:57:52 SpeedEvil: do you mean slow like it takes minutes to open up any window on PC? Nov 29 22:58:23 bno - just annoyinly poor interactively. Nov 29 23:03:20 does pr 1.3 deliver its own kernel? do I need to uninstall power kernel if I have it? Nov 29 23:08:49 well, guess google answered that one.. Nov 29 23:10:59 84.5MB eh... Nov 29 23:12:11 reinstalling all my apps... "just" 850MB... Nov 29 23:12:33 if I just reflash it, and make a backup before that, will the settings in my ~/ be backupped? like .bashrc Nov 29 23:12:53 I guess I could just copy the bits I've spread around.. Nov 29 23:13:29 i am going secure and have some manual backups of certain folders as well Nov 29 23:13:55 I've never restored from backup before, so does it remember the stuff installed from -testing etc too? Nov 29 23:15:36 if you tell it so it remembers a whole bunch of settings tbh Nov 29 23:19:50 SpeedEvil: Nov 30 00:10:07 IroN900 osso-backup 1.8.20[27628]: GLIB WARNING ** Gtk - cannot open display: 192.168.1.33:0 Nov 29 23:19:55 it remember pretty much everything i think Nov 29 23:20:25 *sigh* Nov 29 23:22:01 well, maybe it's too late to do the update now, need to wake up for work, but maybe tomorrow :) Nov 29 23:22:15 now that is just great -.- Nov 29 23:22:51 Yodocs you can open stuff from other computers on your host? Nov 29 23:23:01 SpeedEvil: my PC Xserver doesn't listen to ort 6000 :-/ Hooray for conservatve config of this distro Nov 29 23:23:07 OpenSSH server seems to need access to some stuff at /home/user and mounts it, hence unmouting it from my netbook while i back up everything... Nov 29 23:23:52 DocScrutinizer: which distro is it? Nov 29 23:23:58 OpenSuse Nov 29 23:24:51 hm... i used that once Nov 29 23:25:04 killed my xserver with that when i was a noob ^^ Nov 29 23:25:08 SpeedEvil: fist the FW just discarded the inbound packets from n900 to port6000, so the osso-xterm cmd never finished Nov 29 23:25:51 now that I opened the firewall, I realize I probably have to restart xserver to make it listen to port6000 - which isn't going to happen any time soon :-S Nov 29 23:26:14 meh Nov 29 23:34:08 can somebody tell me if https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com is still active? Nov 29 23:40:32 I get a broken certificate, then a 404 Nov 29 23:40:43 well - not a proper 404 Nov 29 23:44:09 I didn't even know that url existed, what does it normally host? Nov 29 23:48:20 hi all Nov 29 23:48:51 * sivang was really sick the last couple of days Nov 29 23:49:51 That's the firrmware download isn't it? Nov 29 23:50:03 sivang: :( Did you become a zombie? Nov 29 23:51:28 SpeedEvil: sort of, together with overnight flighs, and sleeping throughout the day until sinus pains went off Nov 29 23:51:37 I kind of switched timezones, again Nov 29 23:53:01 SpeedEvil: is that about my link with the broken certificate + 404? Nov 29 23:53:02 SpeedEvil: anyway, I should try and get to sleep through reading my C++ book ;) Nov 29 23:53:18 anyone tried to do everyday work with the netbook ux? Nov 29 23:53:22 by any chance? Nov 29 23:53:38 I think my TripModel for track logging and statistics generation is getting a bit big :D Nov 29 23:53:40 mikki-kun: yes Nov 29 23:53:45 Anyhow, bed time for me I think. Nov 29 23:53:58 alterego: what does it track? Nov 29 23:54:03 Your mom Nov 29 23:54:08 If you hide your N900 on her. Nov 29 23:54:11 alterego: (sorry to jump on you like this) Nov 29 23:54:24 alterego: hmm, a bit perverse don't you think? Nov 29 23:54:43 It's a GPS app that offers similar functions to handheld GPS devices like Garmins' etc. Nov 29 23:54:53 It also includes live data streaming via Bluetooth and Network. Nov 29 23:55:07 streaming of location data? Nov 29 23:55:13 like GPS devices in the car? Nov 29 23:55:44 Yeah Nov 29 23:55:47 nice Nov 29 23:55:56 alterego: what maps are oyou sing? Nov 29 23:56:00 I had it linked to my N810 and used it as a bluetooth GPS the other day ^.^ Nov 29 23:56:01 are you using, even Nov 29 23:56:05 No maps at the moment, Nov 29 23:56:15 ah okay Nov 29 23:56:16 May implement it in V2 Nov 29 23:56:26 well, you can use the maps in the reciving gps device Nov 29 23:57:00 I plan on selling the app, so maps are out of the question until I can find a source I'm allowed to use ^.^ Nov 29 23:57:16 alterego: talk to ovi :) Nov 29 23:57:19 Heh Nov 29 23:57:31 Qt Mobility 1.2 has mapping included :/ Nov 29 23:57:37 alterego: what does marble use? Nov 29 23:57:42 The ability to render maps and such. Nov 29 23:57:44 Dunno. Nov 29 23:57:45 alterego: yes, you can use OVI or other data sources Nov 29 23:57:53 alterego: through mobility Nov 29 23:57:54 Anyhow, I need to sleep ^.^ Nov 29 23:58:02 alterego: sorry! good night Nov 29 23:58:05 g'night ;) Nov 29 23:58:20 * sivang wish he could get better and start hacking some apps himself Nov 29 23:58:25 g'night Nov 29 23:59:03 * sivang feels like looking at the promised land without entering it Nov 29 23:59:05 ;) Nov 30 00:56:12 is there somewhere a list floating around with all the repositories? (also some internal ones, which _should_ work) Nov 30 00:56:36 cause i can't seem to access some basic ones, which have stuff like bzip or the gstreamer plugins... Nov 30 00:57:00 i've only found one in the wiki which has extras and such Nov 30 00:57:54 mikki-kun, all the maemo specific repositories are listed http://repository.maemo.org/ Nov 30 00:58:01 (thats a webpage) Nov 30 00:58:58 i was looking for stuff like "Nokia Ovi" (it is a "repository") Nov 30 00:59:24 i am having huge problems aquiring the host, it just dies and complains "no route to host" :( Nov 30 01:00:27 webpage to the 3 repos i am having problems with starts with: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/ Nov 30 01:01:46 you should have that one as well Nov 30 01:02:45 Nokia Applications, Nokia System Nov 30 01:02:46 Software Updates Nov 30 01:02:59 sorry if that got seperated, but those are not resolving Nov 30 01:15:57 mikki-kun: there's maemo, extras, extras-testing, extras-devel, and tools. The latter 3 get installed when you click that link on http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Nov 30 01:16:48 the first should be there by default on your HAM Nov 30 01:21:27 good morning Nov 30 01:21:36 morning Nov 30 01:21:48 you're late today Nov 30 01:53:25 DocScrutinizer51: Are you going to dismiss me for being late? Nov 30 02:51:59 http://laughingsquid.com/underclothes-that-display-the-4th-amendment-when-x-rayed-by-tsa/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 30 02:59:57 2010