**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 30 02:59:57 2010 Nov 30 03:33:44 huzzah. finally set up a password so that I can try to defubar my package management from a real keyboard Nov 30 03:35:16 I tried to install kdepim-mobile the other day Nov 30 03:36:00 but that wants to install libclucene0ldbl, which conflicts with clucene-core Nov 30 03:49:08 * Dhraakellian finishes doing apt-get remove commands with packages pasted on after each failure Nov 30 03:49:16 * Dhraakellian figures there's got to be an easier way to do this Nov 30 03:49:27 * Dhraakellian doesn't know his way around apt quite so well, however Nov 30 03:51:06 fixing up apt issues is frustrating Nov 30 03:51:20 i still don't know what to do half the time Nov 30 03:51:43 I'm more a fan of zypper, personally Nov 30 03:51:55 apt-cache depends $package Nov 30 03:52:02 but, to be honest, I wouldn't really know how to fix something like this with that either Nov 30 03:52:03 in a pinch, i'll manually extract and install libraries and such Nov 30 03:52:11 (although I'd hope zypper would figure it out on its own) Nov 30 03:52:14 dpkg -X foo.deb . Nov 30 03:52:20 what's zypper Nov 30 03:52:31 openSUSE's cli package management tool Nov 30 03:52:42 between apt-get, apt-cache and dpkg you're mostly covered Nov 30 03:53:09 I think I remember reading that rpm-based/non-harmatten meego will use zypper Nov 30 03:53:11 I do wish for a *definitive* tool that does everything those do. aptitude does pretty much all the important stuff AFAIK, though Nov 30 03:53:19 yarr Nov 30 03:53:41 and zypper would be nice for the n900 keypad, I think Nov 30 03:53:45 no annoying hyphen Nov 30 03:53:53 aptitude in interactive mode is pretty brilliant for solving broken states Nov 30 03:53:53 definitely need to get involved in meego so there's some chance to fix badness before product release Nov 30 03:54:27 oh, hey, two other people in the conversation, not just one. Darn you, Konvi, and your color-choosing! Nov 30 03:54:47 oh, greaaaat Nov 30 03:54:51 it errored out on me Nov 30 03:55:37 Dhraakellian, well, you might have found the culprit then. if you pastebin the error messages, I can try and give you hints. no idea if I'll help or make it worse, but I've been hacking around in debian for ~10 years now Nov 30 03:56:53 want the whole thing? Nov 30 03:57:06 sure. but put it on a pastebin :) Nov 30 03:57:12 oh, frack yes Nov 30 03:57:20 just making sure :) Nov 30 03:57:53 I've seen too many people with no clue what the word 'pastebin' means :) Nov 30 03:59:21 I've been around IRC/freenode for the better part of a decade (but not quite a full one), so I've picked up a few things here and there Nov 30 03:59:37 I've been around debian longer than I've been on IRC :) Nov 30 04:01:37 http://pastebin.ca/2006484 Nov 30 04:01:59 I included all attempts that needed extra copy/paste package names Nov 30 04:02:38 iirc. the clucene-core stuff is mainly for sword-based apps like rapier and katana Nov 30 04:02:53 well, in terms of what I have installed, at least Nov 30 04:03:44 hah hah hah Nov 30 04:03:51 k* Nov 30 04:04:09 pupnik: cleaning up after a failed kdepim-mobile installation Nov 30 04:04:58 why not just remove both the libcluecene0ldbl and clucene-core? Nov 30 04:05:07 that should remove packages that depend on them as well Nov 30 04:05:13 hmm Nov 30 04:05:13 then you can work on reinstalling stuff Nov 30 04:05:20 that would make too much sense, I suppose Nov 30 04:06:01 (unless I'm wrong about it being recursive) Nov 30 04:06:49 oy... and a colored PS1 would be nice too Nov 30 04:07:06 install bash Nov 30 04:07:11 okay, *now* clucene-core is uninstalling cleanly Nov 30 04:07:13 :) Nov 30 04:07:28 well, not erroring out before I can say Y, at least Nov 30 04:07:54 so, the problem has to do with clucene-core and libclucene-whatever not being marked as conflicting Nov 30 04:08:14 the trick now would be to get kdepim-mobile installed and still get katana installed along with it Nov 30 04:08:38 what I would do is hit up apt-cache depends $pkg Nov 30 04:08:51 for both of them, and see if they depend on those conflicting clucene things Nov 30 04:09:35 hmm... apt-cache show gives me a rather large Maemo-Icon-26 bit Nov 30 04:09:42 rather annoying Nov 30 04:11:54 heh, and it's spanning multiple lines IIRC, so not a good way to grep it out Nov 30 04:12:38 http://userbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Kontact_Mobile/Maemo5&diff=prev&oldid=113041 Nov 30 04:12:44 changed since the last time I checked that page Nov 30 04:13:17 different repository? Nov 30 04:13:43 once the repos were added, I think I ended up using fapman on that last attempt Nov 30 04:14:14 hm Nov 30 04:14:18 nitdroid has gotten better Nov 30 04:14:26 pretty soon it might be something that you can use normally :) Nov 30 04:14:30 Macer: when was the last time you checked? Nov 30 04:14:38 Dhraakellian: today Nov 30 04:14:48 i just installed it Nov 30 04:14:53 before that, though Nov 30 04:14:55 i don't get a 3G connection tho with the modem Nov 30 04:15:00 omg.. like 3 months ago :) Nov 30 04:15:12 okay, I first checked within the last month or so Nov 30 04:15:13 i usually try it out every few months to see where it is Nov 30 04:15:21 I don't have 3G internet at all Nov 30 04:15:23 I'm too cheap Nov 30 04:15:27 the modem works Nov 30 04:15:27 for data at least Nov 30 04:15:35 LOL Nov 30 04:15:39 wifi works, though Nov 30 04:15:43 well... i do and i couldn't get it working ;) Nov 30 04:15:49 plus like.. a lot of the apps aren't on the market Nov 30 04:15:51 and, while I'm not using 3G data, I still have T-Mobile instead of AT&T Nov 30 04:15:55 well.. a lot of the important ones like connectbot Nov 30 04:16:01 really cruddy coverage instead of just cruddy coverage Nov 30 04:16:09 hah Nov 30 04:16:15 i have tmob as well.. it isn't that good in chicago either Nov 30 04:16:25 well.. it isn't that bad either. i would honestly say that it is better than att Nov 30 04:16:37 then again, I get full bars in the local hackerspace Nov 30 04:16:41 but right now i am using the bt tethering Nov 30 04:16:42 options: 1) switch carriers 2) move to the seattle area Nov 30 04:16:43 located in a basement Nov 30 04:16:50 johnx: haha Nov 30 04:17:04 ...underneath a Sprint towers on either end of the building Nov 30 04:17:04 I get 3.5G coverage at work, and am faster than our crappy 7Mb/s DSL some of the time Nov 30 04:17:06 johnx: i think they're all pretty much the same here.. except for some reason sprint seems better Nov 30 04:17:24 johnx: i have a 3.5G connection as well.. but i think they throttle or something Nov 30 04:17:25 AT&T is crap around here. and my wife's sprint phone doesn't work in our apartment Nov 30 04:17:41 hiyas Nov 30 04:17:41 downloading large files while tethered seems to make the connection die Nov 30 04:17:57 dangit, I want to get kdepim-mobile installed so that I can disable -devel and finally run updates Nov 30 04:18:09 Downloading Ubuntu ISOs over my phone rather than through our DSL at work makes me laugh Nov 30 04:18:15 but nitdroid looks so promising Nov 30 04:18:22 i sure hope they find a way to get the rest of the hardware working :) Nov 30 04:18:30 hall Jay_BEE Nov 30 04:18:32 the cam and mic i think is all that is left and then add some APNs Nov 30 04:18:36 and they're pretty much done Nov 30 04:18:38 Macer: more or less promising than meego? Nov 30 04:18:45 Dhraakellian: i haven't tried meego Nov 30 04:18:56 but i think meego is on the same boat with the cam amongst other things Nov 30 04:19:00 I've run nitdroid on a 2GB class 2 µSD Nov 30 04:19:07 Dhraakellian, what are the two packages you were trying to install at the same time? kdepim and katana? Nov 30 04:19:10 and i am pretty sure the nitdroid packaging management is better :) Nov 30 04:19:24 ...that was a faster experience than meego on an 8GB class 6 µSDHC Nov 30 04:19:38 from what i've heard.. and i am not a dev.. but the pkg management was a nightmare for maemo Nov 30 04:19:53 isn't nitdroid based on released software? Nov 30 04:19:58 which i am sure meego has adapted Nov 30 04:20:00 Macer, it didn't *need* to be, but yeah, setting up an SDK was a pain for a long time Nov 30 04:20:05 johnx: kdepim-mobile (umbrella package for kontact mobile) and katana Nov 30 04:20:22 johnx: well. i couldn't tell you. i wasn't really a dev... but i've heard horror stories Nov 30 04:20:29 and i am sure meego is following suit :) Nov 30 04:20:45 * Dhraakellian wouldn't mind having an rpm-based phone Nov 30 04:20:54 Macer, you mean just as bad as maemo or learning from maemo's mistakes? Nov 30 04:21:21 but then, I'm an openSUSE user who semi-resents *buntu's popularity, so take that opinion with however much salt you like Nov 30 04:22:01 I haven't had the best experience with opensuse, but I think meego is supposed to be based roughly on fedora, so we can both love it or hate it without having to agree on opensuse vs ubuntu :) Nov 30 04:23:04 I think I've mostly forgiven Fedora for the grudge I held based on trying to upgrade KDE back in the FC1/FC2 days Nov 30 04:23:36 I guess I can finally forgive RedHat for RH8 (not fedora 8) Nov 30 04:23:42 hehheh Nov 30 04:23:43 but I was pissed at the time Nov 30 04:23:45 RedHate! Nov 30 04:23:49 I think I skipped RH8 Nov 30 04:24:04 went straight from RH7.3 to RH9 Nov 30 04:24:29 I went from RedHate to Slack10 Nov 30 04:24:34 reinstalling kdepim-mobile Nov 30 04:24:37 yeah, apparently it had some problem where it was pretty likely to corrupt the RPM Db, and that was never fixed in RH8, they just asked people to go to 9 Nov 30 04:24:38 heh Nov 30 04:26:06 then I went from RH9 (Linux 2.4-based) on a 400MHz celeron with 128MB RAM and KDE 3.1.x to Gentoo (with Linux 2.6.7, iirc) on a 2.4GHz p4 with 512MB RAM and KDE 3.2 (which had received a metric buttload of optimization since 3.1.x) Nov 30 04:26:27 still on that p4, albeit with 1.5GB RAM and openSUSE now Nov 30 04:27:00 I was strictly Debian until Ubuntu 7 or 8 or so Nov 30 04:28:06 for me it's Slack for life! Nov 30 04:28:16 johnx: well. you can't reallly change a way of thinking i suppose heh Nov 30 04:28:56 ugh. i am trying to find a sweet spot for this phone Nov 30 04:29:14 i think i might just take it and tie it up to a pole and put it in the iair.. but i think i w ould lose the bt signal Nov 30 04:29:22 Macer, heh. my (first one I bought for myself) first computer was win95, which i kept for 6 months, then 6 months of RH5.1, then Debian, then Ubuntu Nov 30 04:30:07 johnx: i actually tried slackware first Nov 30 04:30:15 Dhraakellian, trying for the testing release or the experimental one? (of kdepim) Nov 30 04:30:20 my first one was running ms dos 5 i think Nov 30 04:30:36 Macer, I tried it at some point. but I guess I was already indoctrinated into Debian by that point Nov 30 04:30:38 I'm pretty sure it's the testing Nov 30 04:30:43 I *was* sure, at least Nov 30 04:30:45 heh Nov 30 04:30:46 lemme check Nov 30 04:30:48 I think I played with gentoo on a spare partition for a bit in 2002 Nov 30 04:30:54 slackware was great for a while.. then they fell behind in the packaging Nov 30 04:31:00 I got tired of compiling *&$% in like a week or two Nov 30 04:31:01 debian was working on apt and rh was working on rpm Nov 30 04:31:02 well, kde mail just started up Nov 30 04:31:29 keen Nov 30 04:31:30 johnx: yeah, I used Gentoo for about 3 years in total Nov 30 04:31:35 now you need to install katana I guess Nov 30 04:31:36 had a little distro hopping in between Nov 30 04:32:17 there it goes. found the sweet spot Nov 30 04:32:17 :) Nov 30 04:32:28 I'd probably still be on gentoo if there had been a sane repo of binary packages Nov 30 04:32:35 it jumps between 80K/s and 200K/s heh Nov 30 04:32:47 I still got some errors installing, but I decided to try running it first, before complaining too much Nov 30 04:33:15 gentoo wasn't too bad but i agree. their binary packaging system was lame Nov 30 04:33:17 not to metion that breaking python pretty much broke emerge :) Nov 30 04:33:35 although in hindsight.. at least you know that if it built it most likely would work Nov 30 04:33:56 Dhraakellian, some errors? hmm? Nov 30 04:34:12 hah, i'm a big gentoo fan Nov 30 04:34:30 johnx: oh, right, I didn't post the paste Nov 30 04:34:42 but i'll definitely agree that you can't go to gentoo expecting there to be a reliable source of binary packages (in every sense of the word reliable) Nov 30 04:34:50 Dhraakellian, ignoring errors is a good way to be in trouble later :) Nov 30 04:35:46 ieatlint, what's funny is that on mac I use macports over fink :) Nov 30 04:35:59 ports is awesome Nov 30 04:36:03 (mainly be cause macports actually...works...but still) Nov 30 04:36:04 awesome. insomnia x works for osx :) Nov 30 04:36:23 and the waiting on compile time is rarely an issue for me... computers got faster, etc Nov 30 04:36:38 last time i tried the thing would crash snow leopard heh Nov 30 04:36:42 it would just totally hang it Nov 30 04:37:22 ieatlint, It was the glibc or xorg recompiles that got to me, mostly Nov 30 04:37:53 http://pastebin.ca/2006500 Nov 30 04:37:55 basically, I never really used the optimizations and customizations. I'm a good sheep, but I demand instant gratification :) Nov 30 04:38:06 yeah, glibc takes up to 15min, xorg maybe 2... but then, i don't generally upgrade them much Nov 30 04:39:01 I was actually working on a ports work-alike for debuntu for a while. I might start working on it again even Nov 30 04:39:53 i like that i can take a tarballed automake configured packaged and insert it into gentoo's portage in under 30s Nov 30 04:40:05 which is a HUGE feature for me Nov 30 04:40:16 ubuntu and making deb files is just a mess.. Nov 30 04:40:28 the newest stuff for making debs isn't *bad* Nov 30 04:40:44 but the docs and lack of a single unified tool are kinda painful Nov 30 04:40:57 it's just arcane :/ Nov 30 04:40:57 i'm unconvinced :P Nov 30 04:41:02 johnx: paste^^ Nov 30 04:41:13 Dhraakellian, reading it with half a brain :) Nov 30 04:41:34 johnx: that's about all I did Nov 30 04:41:40 an ebuild is a single file, and you just need to put it in the right directory, name it the package name and version, and list dependencies on a single line ... that is all. Nov 30 04:42:01 well, plus the single step of executing a single command to add it to the digest Nov 30 04:42:27 ieatlint: in gentoo it's also downright simple to change compile settings compared to, say, Arch Nov 30 04:42:37 I actually like OE's package system a lot. but I got tired of re-packaging stuff other people had already done Nov 30 04:42:43 USE flags >> editing PKGBUILD files Nov 30 04:43:16 yeah, gentoo has its issues, but i love it Nov 30 04:43:17 OE? Nov 30 04:43:19 oh yeah, native gentoo for N900 Nov 30 04:43:23 openembedded Nov 30 04:43:25 bitbake, etc Nov 30 04:43:27 *burrp* Nov 30 04:43:29 DocScrutinizer51: with or without distcc? Nov 30 04:43:50 i was always meh on bitbake... seemed not much better than straight debs Nov 30 04:44:14 or even better, linux for hairdryers aka OE Nov 30 04:44:36 with bitbake YUMMY Nov 30 04:44:38 Dhraakellian, looks like most of the problem is related to auto-optification of liblzma Nov 30 04:45:07 I might try and apt-get --reinstall install liblzma1 Nov 30 04:45:28 ieatlint: not much better?? I think it's the worst thing I ever seen Nov 30 04:45:40 or maybe just go find its postinst script and whack it (/var/lib/dpkg/dpkg/info) Nov 30 04:46:08 DocScrutinizer51, eh... it centralizes a cross-compilation system Nov 30 04:46:26 scratchbox and the maemo sdk do alright, but they're still proprietary to maemo Nov 30 04:46:50 ieatlint, well, it produces ipk's, but the native bitbake recipes are very similar to ports/portage Nov 30 04:47:46 in conclusion all package systems suck :P Nov 30 04:47:50 true Nov 30 04:47:54 let's make our own! Nov 30 04:48:11 johnx: yeah! let's see if we can make one that sucks the most! Nov 30 04:48:12 alright... let's make it as annoying and inane as possible Nov 30 04:48:29 i suggest some sort of custom markup language and a haskell interpretor Nov 30 04:48:34 johnx: already started. wanna join? Nov 30 04:48:45 every operation should have it's own differently named tool, and its own totally weird syntax Nov 30 04:48:59 ieatlint, COBOL is the future Nov 30 04:49:03 based on ebuild, but designed to take anonymous patches to packages and such Nov 30 04:49:20 Optifying usr/share/doc/liblzma1 -> /opt/maemo/usr/share/doc/liblzma1 Nov 30 04:49:21 mv: cannot rename '/usr/share/doc/liblzma1': No such file or directory Nov 30 04:49:47 johnx, i can go with that... Nov 30 04:49:50 hrm Nov 30 04:49:54 Dhraakellian, yeah, so the auto-optification bit you. maybe create the directory for it? Nov 30 04:49:55 we could try and mix cobol and haskell somehow Nov 30 04:50:07 also, it will share binaries based on input hashes Nov 30 04:50:10 core in haskell, extension in COBOL! Nov 30 04:50:13 so what do I need to whack at with what? Nov 30 04:50:24 so if you leave everything at default, it'll be binary-based Nov 30 04:50:36 but if you want, you can tweak a USE flag, and if nobody else has done that, it'll build it Nov 30 04:51:00 (and then share the resulting binary with anyone else who does it in the future) Nov 30 04:51:16 luke-jr, yup. my basic problem with gentoo is that it didn't do it. how do you solve the problem of trustworthiness of users? Nov 30 04:51:16 in a utopian society, that sounds awesome Nov 30 04:51:32 in the society i live in... i'll go ahead and add a trojan to the bin package and hand it out Nov 30 04:51:41 Dhraakellian, I would just mkdir the dir it's trying to optify Nov 30 04:51:44 johnx: network of trust and/or compiling everything 3 times by different unrelated people before trusting them Nov 30 04:51:57 hashes wouldn't be the same Nov 30 04:52:07 luke-jr, the former yes. the latter: hugely vulnerable to attack Nov 30 04:52:10 ieatlint: hashes are of the input parameters Nov 30 04:52:12 /usr/share/doc/liblzma1 or /opt/maemo/usr/share/doc/liblzma1? Nov 30 04:52:31 all that's in either dir is a README Nov 30 04:52:31 luke-jr: yeah, but what stops me from faking that? Nov 30 04:52:32 probably /usr/share/doc/liblzma1 Nov 30 04:52:33 johnx: depends on what coordinates the build verifications Nov 30 04:52:49 Dhraakellian, yeah, but the postinst script is failing, which is why the install is erroring out Nov 30 04:52:50 ieatlint: see what johnx and I are discussing Nov 30 04:53:21 you might have an easier time just putting together a small trusted array of buildhosts Nov 30 04:53:32 contents of README: "Purged by docpurge" Nov 30 04:53:39 ieatlint: that was option 1) network of trust Nov 30 04:53:42 luke-jr, anyways, I just settled on a ports-like frontend to dpkg-buildpackage Nov 30 04:53:59 Dhraakellian, yeah, it's dumb. I didn't say it wasn't :) Nov 30 04:54:05 ieatlint: that is, it'll only use binaries from people you trust. or people they trust. and so on, configurable. Nov 30 04:54:44 luke-jr, or only people in an official release group. and now you have debian :) Nov 30 04:54:46 luke-jr: only use binaries from people Kevin Bacon trusts? Nov 30 04:54:57 johnx: that'd just be a "trust Group X" ☺ Nov 30 04:54:58 Dhraakellian++ Nov 30 04:55:12 johnx: except that Debian lacks USE flags at all Nov 30 04:55:18 all the trustworthy people should be within six degrees of him anyway Nov 30 04:55:19 ieatlint, that needs to be the basis of our package mgmt trust system: 6 degrees of kevin bacon Nov 30 04:55:19 Dhraakellian: who is Kevin Bacon Nov 30 04:55:37 johnx: isn't that everyone? Nov 30 04:55:51 johnx: i'm generally skeptical of decentralized authority for trust-based transactions Nov 30 04:55:59 but that's my personal opinion... more power to you :) Nov 30 04:56:09 ieatlint, I thought we were working on the pkg system that sucks the most :) Nov 30 04:56:21 nah, working on pkg system for Utopios Nov 30 04:56:25 oh, well, in that case... :P Nov 30 04:56:38 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Degrees_of_Kevin_Bacon Nov 30 04:57:18 fewer than 6 now i bet :P Nov 30 04:57:32 internet has kinda increased the diversity and number of contacts Nov 30 04:58:39 johnx: at the considerable risk of speaking too soon, I think that does appear to have fixed it! Nov 30 04:58:39 :p Nov 30 04:58:59 Dhraakellian, good. now run your apt-get -f install again, while your luck is still working Nov 30 04:59:03 docpurge, another one of those lovely suckers Nov 30 04:59:15 !lart docpurge and auto-optify Nov 30 04:59:18 Setting up libkmbox4 (4:4.6~20101112.1196104-1maemo1.1194248) ... Nov 30 04:59:33 ^^random line copied from the subsequent output Nov 30 04:59:55 kbuildsycoca4 running! Nov 30 05:00:07 ieatlint, just gave me an idea: encode checksums into version numbers Nov 30 05:00:28 optification is broken by design, it was a hotfix that should have replaced by a sane partitioning plus cleanup of whole init system Nov 30 05:00:30 like git? Nov 30 05:00:44 ieatlint, more like credit cards Nov 30 05:00:51 or more specifically, credit card numbers Nov 30 05:00:58 luhn algorithm.. Nov 30 05:01:09 so you basically just *can't* represent certain version numbers :> Nov 30 05:01:12 i oddly know all about it from a project :P Nov 30 05:01:21 ecommerce website? Nov 30 05:01:40 nah, wrote software to decode magnetic stripes Nov 30 05:02:38 johnx: ieatlint's N900 can steal your credit card numbers Nov 30 05:02:49 :P Nov 30 05:02:57 his app also told me my full address :o Nov 30 05:03:09 gah Nov 30 05:03:13 fun times Nov 30 05:03:33 yeah, i have a new version already in extas-devel, but haven't fixed the DL# issue... will get it done tonight or tomorrow Nov 30 05:03:48 ieatlint: how about logging everything I scan? Nov 30 05:03:55 and displaying raw data even if it is parsable? Nov 30 05:04:06 on a feature todo list Nov 30 05:04:15 <.< Nov 30 05:04:15 err, dunno about the logging part actually Nov 30 05:04:44 i'm hesitant to actually include functionality that can be used to skim credit cards :P Nov 30 05:05:03 :P Nov 30 05:05:33 you mean it doesn't SMS you everything I scan? Nov 30 05:05:48 haha Nov 30 05:05:54 hehe Nov 30 05:06:07 it's opensource, go find out ;) Nov 30 05:06:12 so you say Nov 30 05:06:17 how do I know the binary is the same source⁇ Nov 30 05:06:49 :P Nov 30 05:07:05 ieatlint just realized he could probably get away with it :/ Nov 30 05:07:28 ieatlint: /j #anime Nov 30 05:07:32 ieatlint: to play Yandere Nov 30 05:07:40 this is how: http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/magread/0.1.3/ Nov 30 05:07:49 ... this is the last place I'd expect to see that phrase Nov 30 05:07:58 download the source from there, and it's exactly what the buildserver built Nov 30 05:08:01 the high art is to include a malware code into a png or bmp or similar, without destroying the original picture, and then include a 'bug' into the original program, like a missing or one too much *, to actually call that code Nov 30 05:08:05 quick question: how can I reset the sorting in the app list? Nov 30 05:08:08 wmarone: ? Nov 30 05:08:12 "yandere" Nov 30 05:08:14 ieatlint, as long as you haven't compromised the build server :) Nov 30 05:08:23 undo all the manual sorting I did so that everything's alphabetical again Nov 30 05:08:25 wmarone: you can join and play too! Nov 30 05:08:37 DocScrutinizer: yeah, and those are just crazy as all hell Nov 30 05:08:44 but i'm sure we've both seen the demos Nov 30 05:08:46 no thanks, not a fan of the crazy Nov 30 05:08:56 wmarone: cmon, it's fun Nov 30 05:09:00 crazy, potentially murderious... Nov 30 05:09:01 luke-jr: i'm going to sleep soon i think.. thanks though Nov 30 05:09:02 -i Nov 30 05:09:05 wmarone: aka mafia Nov 30 05:09:34 ""Hell! I changed the welcome screen background of this app and since then it segfaults! What the heck is going on??"" Nov 30 05:09:43 LOL Nov 30 05:12:24 anyone here use mobile hotspot? Nov 30 05:12:49 on the rare occasion I 1) need it, and 2) it works Nov 30 05:13:01 its just plain not wotking for me Nov 30 05:13:15 "failed to start" when I hit the button Nov 30 05:13:16 did you install its kernel? Nov 30 05:13:26 same problem here Nov 30 05:13:33 uhh I thought it installed itself Nov 30 05:13:40 I dont recall being prompted Nov 30 05:13:46 nah Nov 30 05:13:48 it's stupid Nov 30 05:13:48 I will reinstall Nov 30 05:13:55 gotta install it manually Nov 30 05:13:59 I think it's called maemo-kernel or smth Nov 30 05:14:15 isn't it power users kernel? Nov 30 05:14:23 no Nov 30 05:14:32 o.O Nov 30 05:14:35 Oh? Nov 30 05:14:36 so its in the same repository? Nov 30 05:14:43 oh its power users? Nov 30 05:14:45 no Nov 30 05:16:00 its not multiboot-kernel-maemo? Nov 30 05:17:07 no Nov 30 05:17:40 btw, anyone know if the driver for the N800/770 can support AP mode? Nov 30 05:18:08 ds3, pretty sure it can't Nov 30 05:18:16 at least not with the driver nokia shipped Nov 30 05:18:46 luke-jr: mobilehotspot installs it Nov 30 05:19:03 when you install mobilehotspot... and it still doesnt work :) Nov 30 05:19:14 i just resorted to bt dun Nov 30 05:19:48 it worked finr in 1.2 Nov 30 05:20:04 so i am sure it is just another typical maemo regression :) Nov 30 05:20:15 according to this website it is the kernel for power users Nov 30 05:20:43 if it's not you having installed multiboot then yes Nov 30 05:20:49 johnx: what about the so called opened driver? Nov 30 05:21:09 ds3, no idea. I don't really hack on the N800 anymore, and I never had a 770 Nov 30 05:21:13 neopwn? Nov 30 05:21:20 johnx: trying to reuse the older devices Nov 30 05:21:37 I think I'm gonna use mine as a kitchen sound system Nov 30 05:21:46 plug some nice little speakers into it and leave it at that Nov 30 05:21:59 johnx: an n810 with carman is good for the car Nov 30 05:22:05 trying to find a little mobile access point Nov 30 05:22:07 although ovi maps sucks Nov 30 05:22:36 oh. BTW the nook color was rooted :D Nov 30 05:22:46 but at least you can get a window mount and bt obd2 and go to town :) Nov 30 05:22:52 depending on how that goes, I think I might need to buy one :> Nov 30 05:22:55 Macer: it doesnt Nov 30 05:23:12 is the color nook eink or lcd? Nov 30 05:23:35 it's a nice little color touchscreen LCD with an OMAP3620 Nov 30 05:23:38 for ~$250 Nov 30 05:23:43 luke-jr: yes it does. :) i was trying to get it going for a while. the mobilehotspot pkg installs the kernel and its modules Nov 30 05:24:12 if you simply pick mobilehotspot with apt-get you can see them installing Nov 30 05:24:15 Macer: it doesnt Nov 30 05:25:11 The following NEW packages will be installed: kernel-maemo kernel-modules-maemo mobilehotspot Nov 30 05:25:20 uhm Nov 30 05:25:22 ok Nov 30 05:26:57 how much are n810s going for nowadays? Nov 30 05:27:00 much rather find a rooted eink toy Nov 30 05:27:43 at least carman tells you your check engine codes heh Nov 30 05:27:46 I'm mainly interested because the nook color seems pretty competitive in the 7" tablet space and should be pretty meego-compatible out of the gate Nov 30 05:28:03 is there even carman for maemo5? i havent looked Nov 30 05:28:23 i will believe in meego when it doesnt end up like mer Nov 30 05:28:24 wait... what? nitdroid .8 was released? Nov 30 05:28:27 how'd I miss this? Nov 30 05:28:36 or, wait... Nov 30 05:28:40 Macer: no Nov 30 05:28:41 am I misreading something Nov 30 05:28:55 Macer: but it's just serial, and you can use miniterm or whatever Nov 30 05:29:28 oh poo. it was just a spam revert Nov 30 05:29:35 no actual new release Nov 30 05:29:47 wtf Nov 30 05:29:53 nevermind me Nov 30 05:30:07 how are n810s going for $560 on amazon? Nov 30 05:30:35 are you sure they're "going"? Nov 30 05:31:14 johnx: there are cheaper tablets w/7" screens available though... alas, they are ARM11's Nov 30 05:31:21 exactly Nov 30 05:31:43 haha Nov 30 05:31:50 pupnik: doubt it Nov 30 05:31:56 n810 is $80 Nov 30 05:31:58 i'd pay for an omap3 tablet that can run maemo/mer/meego Nov 30 05:32:00 maybe the gps? Nov 30 05:32:26 $80??? steal Nov 30 05:32:46 440 somewhere else for an n810 Nov 30 05:32:52 why are they so high? Nov 30 05:33:28 did someone find out how to activate the death ray? or find out it was crucial to modding a ps3? Nov 30 05:33:55 weird. i would figure they'd be going for $100 or something.. maybe 200 Nov 30 05:34:04 Seriously - what about finally getting maemo5 on another omap3 device Nov 30 05:34:13 wont happen Nov 30 05:34:21 it is barely on the n900 ;) Nov 30 05:34:27 http://mp4nation.net/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_36_66&products_id=430 Nov 30 05:34:33 $199 cortex a8 7" tablet Nov 30 05:34:58 n900... $349 Nov 30 05:35:01 wow hahahaha Nov 30 05:35:23 n810... $560 Nov 30 05:35:27 Macer: that's only about $6 less than I payed for mine off ebay this summer Nov 30 05:35:29 figure that one out Nov 30 05:35:31 the n900 Nov 30 05:35:38 pupnik: feel free to try it out and let everyone else know how well it works :) Nov 30 05:35:44 oh man replaceable battery Nov 30 05:35:45 pupnik, think I'd pay $50 more for better build quality Nov 30 05:35:55 this looks really nice Nov 30 05:36:01 pupnik: don't buy a touchbook Nov 30 05:36:06 ok Nov 30 05:36:12 also: why would anyone waste time trying to drag maemo 5 to another device? Nov 30 05:36:17 that was my lesson on jumping the gun Nov 30 05:36:18 pupnik: bonus points if you can find the kernel sources Nov 30 05:36:26 Macer, mine was the pandora :) Nov 30 05:36:27 what a piece of made in china shit Nov 30 05:36:38 ts a special macer Nov 30 05:36:40 johnx: did they ever release those? Nov 30 05:36:47 I bought mine for 349 Nov 30 05:36:52 Macer, had mine for a while :) Nov 30 05:36:58 its up to 400+ and its only been a week Nov 30 05:37:00 on amazon Nov 30 05:37:02 how is it? Nov 30 05:37:08 as open as they say? Nov 30 05:37:08 Macer: what else is wrong with the touchbook? Nov 30 05:37:23 ds3: get one and find out :) Nov 30 05:37:34 Macer, it's pretty nice for homemade hardware . mine has wifi issues, but it's a really early one and I'm planning to send it back once they've caught up to the first batch Nov 30 05:37:42 Macer: I rather build my own :P Nov 30 05:39:13 myu what did you buy? Nov 30 05:39:19 it was fail Nov 30 05:39:41 Macer: no specific comments? Nov 30 05:39:43 utter... fail :) Nov 30 05:40:01 not really. went through all my ranting before Nov 30 05:40:14 ok I got it to work Nov 30 05:40:17 thanks a lot guys Nov 30 05:40:22 it is worthless tho... dont get one Nov 30 05:40:33 you will regret Nov 30 05:41:42 it can't be worse then the low end android tablets floating around Nov 30 05:43:46 oh Nov 30 05:43:53 yup.. i think it would be :) Nov 30 05:45:06 elaborate? Nov 30 05:45:16 I cannot imagine how that is possible Nov 30 05:45:31 oh man, 3000 mAh replaceable battery Nov 30 05:45:44 nice Nov 30 05:45:46 better then the N900 :P Nov 30 05:45:47 ds3, as I understand, when used as a laptop it tends to fall over Nov 30 05:46:08 johnx: Ohhhh... the old TC1000's have that problem too Nov 30 05:46:24 anybody in germany want to hack on one of these Nov 30 05:49:58 ah also got netstory to work :D Nov 30 05:50:07 I guess it just doesnt do wifi Nov 30 05:50:47 ds3, that's just the tip of it. they were apparently just pretty poorly constructed and never really had great software support Nov 30 05:51:44 looks like some of these tablets have one dude writing drivers ;) Nov 30 05:52:51 * Dhraakellian disables extras-devel Nov 30 05:55:35 johnx: I'd guess that's the story with some of those ARM9 based noname android tablets Nov 30 05:56:05 what's wrong with wanting a 7" arm device for maemo/meego Nov 30 05:57:01 pupnik, nothing. just that I'm gonna be pretty $%*&ing picky about the hardware this time :) Nov 30 05:57:17 bonus points for hardware I can get hands-on time with before buying Nov 30 05:58:20 burned on the smartbook? Nov 30 05:58:35 smartbook? Nov 30 05:58:35 last chinese cheapo android tablet i saw was depressingly bad Nov 30 05:59:05 isn't that the brand used in europe for the cheap tablet sold in the US under a different name? Nov 30 05:59:43 isn't smartbook the fancy one by alwaysinnovating Nov 30 06:00:02 pupnik, not personally. I'm just done with being burned by hardware not meeting my expectations :) Nov 30 06:00:03 compared to cheap chinese ones which are basically N800 hardware with big screen Nov 30 06:00:32 128M ram and some slow ARMv5 or ARMv6 :) Nov 30 06:00:43 they're just cranking them out to ride the wave by suckering in the unsuspecting Nov 30 06:01:05 ShadowJK: aren't there some that are basically ARMv4's? Nov 30 06:01:06 it's like the deluge of cheap GSM phones in china Nov 30 06:01:36 sure they've got a billion functions, but none have decent build quality, software, or any data service better than GPRS :) Nov 30 06:02:16 most are up to high clockspeed ARM11's and the best are Cortex A8's now Nov 30 06:02:27 i just want a 'photo frame' for the bedside that also displays web and movies Nov 30 06:02:40 but then if i buy that, it should also be 100% hackable Nov 30 06:02:47 but, since I care about build quality, decent hardware and something easily meego compatible the choices are slim Nov 30 06:02:55 I've never seen cortex a8 from a "cheap chinese" manuf :) Nov 30 06:02:58 hence why the b&n nook color seems interesting :) Nov 30 06:03:10 ShadowJK, define cheap Nov 30 06:03:12 http://www.tabletstoreuk.com/cortex-androidwince-tablet-witstech-a81e-p-37.html?language=de Nov 30 06:03:23 http://www.tabletstoreuk.com/cortex-androidwince-tablet-witstech-a81e-p-37.html?language=en Nov 30 06:03:26 sorry Nov 30 06:03:42 so it's an enormous N900 ;) Nov 30 06:04:20 :) Nov 30 06:04:36 hmm... my gentoo server has 50 processes running, gentoo desktop box has 110, n900 has 160, ubuntu desktop has 220 Nov 30 06:04:50 slonopotamus, ubuntu wins again! woo! Nov 30 06:05:25 pupnik: know which a8 it is it? Nov 30 06:05:25 johnx: it just uselessly eats ram :/ Nov 30 06:05:29 haha Nov 30 06:06:01 i should swap back into nitdroid but it kind of sucks with it being edge only Nov 30 06:06:16 and no apps... like connectbot Nov 30 06:06:23 connectbot is nice to have Nov 30 06:06:34 slonopotamus, you sound bitter that ubuntu has more processes. maybe if you're nice it'll share some with gentoo Nov 30 06:06:41 johnx: that's what they call "bloated" Nov 30 06:06:56 Macer: nitdroid is edge only? Nov 30 06:07:12 slonopotamus, you misspelled "awesome" Nov 30 06:07:18 wmarone: well. i cant seem to get 3G going Nov 30 06:07:26 for some reason it stays E Nov 30 06:07:48 i got the tmob usa apn set up so i dont know what i am missing Nov 30 06:07:51 weird, I thought that'd be automatic Nov 30 06:07:54 hmm Nov 30 06:08:06 so, clucene-core won't install when I try to reinstall katana Nov 30 06:08:09 me too Nov 30 06:08:18 maybe i am missing something Nov 30 06:08:21 ...but fapman went ahead and installed katana, even though one of its deps failed Nov 30 06:08:26 this to me seems a tad bonkers Nov 30 06:08:41 however, katana works Nov 30 06:09:10 Dhraakellian, hmmm, well, katana installed. the problem is that the clucene-core and libclucene-whatever packages aren't marked conflicting but both provide the same file Nov 30 06:09:32 d3 omap3530 Nov 30 06:09:45 johnx: yeah Nov 30 06:09:48 this will *work* but your package manager will not be happy in the long run. your choice on whether to live with it or not Nov 30 06:11:09 if they provide the same file(s), I wonder if it'd be possible (or even desirable) to fool apt into thinking they're both there Nov 30 06:11:32 sure Nov 30 06:12:02 two options: modify libclucene to say "provides: clucene-core" or make a dummy package of clucene-core that depends on libclucene and has no files Nov 30 06:12:22 or just get the kdepim guys or the katana guys to choose one thing to depend on Nov 30 06:12:24 hm... let me go back into android.. but no connectbot makes this somewhat impossible to be useful Nov 30 06:12:37 i guess the forums say that even tho it says edge it is 3G Nov 30 06:14:27 err, the equiv package should help here if you have debuntu on a desktop Nov 30 06:14:55 http://pastebin.ca/2006537 Nov 30 06:15:37 would you run apt-cache policy on both as well? Nov 30 06:15:54 are the really both from the maemo.org extras repos? Nov 30 06:16:25 johnx: so there's still no 'big n900' eh Nov 30 06:17:03 http://pastebin.ca/2006538 Nov 30 06:17:06 pupnik, no, but once there's a reliable root on the nook color I might just buy one. probably early next year Nov 30 06:17:15 files.kolab.org Nov 30 06:17:20 I'm not terribly surprised Nov 30 06:17:34 heh. yeah Nov 30 06:17:38 they screwed up Nov 30 06:17:41 yarr Nov 30 06:17:45 should submit a bug report Nov 30 06:17:54 yes. to the kdepim guys Nov 30 06:18:06 need to remember to do that on the morrow Nov 30 06:18:07 I wonder if we didn't used to have clucene in extras Nov 30 06:18:10 that would explain it Nov 30 07:20:19 hey all Nov 30 07:20:39 hi Nov 30 07:26:37 hi again Nov 30 07:29:10 i want to change that thing in microb through which the websites dont see microb as a mobile browser Nov 30 07:29:16 what is that called Nov 30 07:29:27 and how do i change that? Nov 30 07:29:40 browser client variable or something Nov 30 07:30:08 is it in about:config? Nov 30 07:30:19 mine doesnt even do that Nov 30 07:30:42 no i want to chang it Nov 30 07:30:52 like from whatever the default is Nov 30 07:30:56 user agent string Nov 30 07:31:09 oh yea that kerio Nov 30 07:31:13 general.useragent.override Nov 30 07:31:17 change that Nov 30 07:31:23 in microb? Nov 30 07:31:38 and where should i change it? Nov 30 07:31:44 some file? Nov 30 07:31:49 you didnt check about:config? Nov 30 07:31:56 just type that into microb Nov 30 07:32:20 ok wait Nov 30 07:32:50 and type in actually I dont see it in here Nov 30 07:32:55 where is it kiero? Nov 30 07:33:18 sorry I remember general.useragent. being there Nov 30 07:33:24 but I dont see an override Nov 30 07:34:14 add it Nov 30 07:34:17 or change that Nov 30 07:35:06 there is a Nov 30 07:35:35 general.useragent.vendor Nov 30 07:36:20 which has the value Nov 30 07:36:22 Firefox/3.5 Maemo Browser 1.7.4.8 RX-51 N900 Nov 30 07:36:31 what should i change the to? Nov 30 07:38:02 hells yeah Nov 30 07:38:26 what? Nov 30 07:38:47 got connectbot going on my n900 nitdroid Nov 30 07:39:09 i cant figure out what ctrl is tho since i have no trackball lol Nov 30 07:39:23 heh Nov 30 07:40:17 tell me the user agent string guys Nov 30 07:41:23 uhm Nov 30 07:41:28 ok wtf :) Nov 30 07:43:01 ok.. guess you cant use ctrl when using connectbot on a phone with no trackball? :) Nov 30 07:43:37 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=119452&postcount=1 Nov 30 07:43:43 click on that space Nov 30 07:44:15 ooooh Nov 30 07:44:23 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=16282 Nov 30 07:44:26 there is a ctrl that pops up on screen Nov 30 07:44:29 follow the tinyurls in there Nov 30 07:44:32 awesome Nov 30 07:44:35 one of them ought to have instructions Nov 30 07:44:43 for mapping? Nov 30 07:44:51 it would be nice to map ctrl Nov 30 07:45:28 just installed a hideuseragent apps from the repos Nov 30 07:46:52 oh. you were talking about the user agent Nov 30 07:47:18 wow... guess the oskb works too Nov 30 07:49:03 yea Nov 30 07:50:27 i thought it was a link to get the ctrl key mapped for connectbot in nitdroid lol Nov 30 07:59:29 cool Nov 30 07:59:38 hideuseragent works Nov 30 08:08:10 hey when you guys use irssi on the n900 Nov 30 08:08:17 what acts as the alt button? Nov 30 08:08:53 http://www.useragentstring.com/pages/useragentstring.php Nov 30 08:09:51 myu: what would you use the alt for ? Nov 30 08:10:11 to change windows right? Nov 30 08:10:15 alt +1 Nov 30 08:10:16 ect Nov 30 08:16:10 Does anybody know where the hildon-desktop widget config is stored? my email widget has suddenly gone missing and i cant add it back Nov 30 08:16:42 ok so its ctrl+n ctrl+p and you have to bing the numbers Nov 30 08:16:49 emai widget is there, but look for it Nov 30 08:21:23 this actually looks kinda interesting: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66371 Nov 30 08:39:42 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: Ping! Can you please help me out with this one: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/pidgin_2.7.7-0nix0/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt I have no idea why it keeps failing ... Nov 30 08:42:52 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: It started happening a couple of versions back (2.7.5-2nix3), so I gave up. But there are some important MSN fixes that require a newer version of pidgin. Nov 30 08:43:52 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: It seems that the build system was changed fairly substantially from 2.7.5-2nix2 to 2.7.5-2nix3, because the output of the 2.7.5-2nix2 armel OK file is very different (at the top of the file) from the 2.7.5-2nix3 FAILED file ... Nov 30 08:49:27 Morning, all Nov 30 08:49:47 <_|Nix|_> Morns ... Nov 30 08:49:53 morning Nov 30 08:51:03 <_|Nix|_> Hmmm ... did anything change in the fremantle build process? My pidgin build fails seemingly without error ... https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/pidgin_2.7.7-0nix0/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt I don't get it ... Nov 30 08:55:11 does ctrl+backspace really start the taskman? Nov 30 08:55:24 <_|Nix|_> myu: Yup ... Nov 30 09:04:49 hi Nov 30 09:04:55 <_|Nix|_> Hi! Nov 30 09:05:00 alterego: ping Nov 30 09:05:19 hey _|Nix|_ Nov 30 09:05:30 aren't you the author of Pidgin for Maemo? Nov 30 09:05:49 <_|Nix|_> I am ... I wish I could build it ... Nov 30 09:05:59 <_|Nix|_> I dunno what's going on with it ... Nov 30 09:06:13 <_|Nix|_> I'm trying to build another package I have, see if that passess ... Nov 30 09:06:39 yeah, I saw the TMO thread Nov 30 09:06:41 <_|Nix|_> Yeah ... that one works ... Nov 30 09:06:48 you really need to poke X-Fade about it Nov 30 09:07:11 hmhm, the addressbook db is just a hash table? Nov 30 09:07:15 I'm wondering, did you successfully solve the Hildon-Extras dependency issue you talked about on the mailing list? Nov 30 09:08:32 <_|Nix|_> Venemo: I noticed that libhildon was using AS_VERSION() to set up the library version. However, for some reason I dunno where to get that macro from. Nov 30 09:08:50 <_|Nix|_> Venemo: libhildon-extras is always .so.0.0.0, but libhildon is not. Nov 30 09:08:58 <_|Nix|_> It actually has some versioning ... Nov 30 09:09:15 _|Nix|_: did my e-mail help you solve it? Nov 30 09:09:18 <_|Nix|_> Venemo: I suspect that's how debhelper knows what ersion of the package to grab ... Nov 30 09:09:34 <_|Nix|_> Venemo: BBIAB ... Nov 30 09:09:57 _|Nix|_: you need to add libhildon-extras1 (>=x.y.z) to your Depends section in the control file Nov 30 09:16:11 Wooo Nov 30 09:16:25 successfully flashed my N900 from another N900 Nov 30 09:17:14 had to use a hub so it enumerates in flashing mode Nov 30 09:17:20 MohammadAG: LoL, congrats! :P Nov 30 09:17:49 MohammadAG, what did you do, use Flasher in qemu usermode? Nov 30 09:17:54 hi, i'm having a wierd issue with imap4s my account. it fetchs the mails correctly, but when i click one to view, it slides to right (mail view screen i suppose) then before viewing the mail, it slides back to list view. Nov 30 09:18:16 I filled that gaping hole in the repositories that have been bothering us all: http://maemo.org/packages/view/sl/ Nov 30 09:19:24 MohammadAG, that is pretty sweet :D Nov 30 09:21:21 mece: so why is it a problem if I type 'sl'? Nov 30 09:22:32 Venemo, it's not a problem Nov 30 09:23:01 mece: then why does it need correcting? Nov 30 09:23:08 Venemo, it's a joke Nov 30 09:24:22 mece: lol. Nov 30 09:25:00 Venemo, try it. Nov 30 09:25:15 hey how can I configure it so that Nov 30 09:25:27 when I click a shortcut twice, multiple instances appear Nov 30 09:25:28 I like sl -l Nov 30 09:25:37 mece: I will :P Nov 30 09:26:26 merlincorey, haha I didn't notice that :D Nov 30 09:26:47 mece: you added it to the repo and you've never read the manpage? Nov 30 09:26:54 * merlincorey pulls out his cane and walker Nov 30 09:27:00 RTFM sonny! and get off my lawn! Nov 30 09:27:16 nice addition :) Nov 30 09:27:22 an old favorite of mine Nov 30 09:27:27 merlincorey, well i browsed them, but I didn't notice they were different Nov 30 09:27:38 fair enough Nov 30 09:27:41 I have done them all :P Nov 30 09:27:45 by accident in fact Nov 30 09:27:50 merlincorey, hehe Nov 30 09:27:51 and on purpose Nov 30 09:27:51 :P Nov 30 09:28:09 merlincorey, so in short, the N900 is now a much better device Nov 30 09:28:18 agreed, strongly Nov 30 09:46:55 mece: you didn't... you actualy did... ;) tuutuuut Nov 30 10:01:29 moo all Nov 30 10:02:39 so the big n900 is still the joggler Nov 30 10:04:26 hah! Nov 30 10:07:46 moorning RST38h Nov 30 10:08:54 http://twitter.com/android__news/statuses/9544198223036416 Nov 30 10:16:20 RST38h: moo to you too :P Nov 30 10:16:40 moo2u2 Nov 30 10:18:53 chem|st: :D Nov 30 10:30:04 if I read 1 byte with fread from a file and put it into a 32-bit integer, will it put the read data to the end or the beginning of the integer? Nov 30 10:31:02 sivang: ping Nov 30 10:31:14 sivang: you had a question regarding Marble? :) Nov 30 10:33:48 _|Nix|_: Hi Nov 30 10:34:07 _|Nix|_: This usually happens when your debian/control is broken. Nov 30 10:34:19 tackat: hi :) Nov 30 10:34:22 sivang: ho Nov 30 10:34:38 _|Nix|_: Check for Windows[tm] linefeeds or multiple linefeeds etc.. Nov 30 10:34:41 tackat: someone told me he saw a demonistration of marble using OVI maps and data as the backend Nov 30 10:34:47 yes Nov 30 10:34:59 tackat: I was wondering how that's done, through mobility perhaps? Nov 30 10:35:03 Lunc now. Nov 30 10:35:09 *lunch even. Nov 30 10:35:17 sivang: technically we do that through Marble's own framework Nov 30 10:36:00 sivang: actually that feature is an "accidental" feature Nov 30 10:36:17 sivang: we have a pretty generic way to handle the data Nov 30 10:36:54 sivang: as part of Marble 0.10.0 (part of KDE 4.5) Nov 30 10:37:20 sivang: and I only found out after the release that technically it just requires to edit an XML file in Marble to load Ovimaps. Nov 30 10:37:43 tackat: oh right, I recall now, I think we discussed this at Dublin Nov 30 10:37:57 tackat: you have the snippet somewhere? Nov 30 10:38:01 sivang: ah - did we? Nov 30 10:38:08 sivang: what's your realname? Nov 30 10:39:13 tackat: sivan Nov 30 10:39:40 tackat: marble's framework is kdelibes dependent ? Nov 30 10:39:47 sivang: no Nov 30 10:39:54 sivang: it's pure Qt 4.x Nov 30 10:40:06 sivang: no KDE libraries or other libraries involved Nov 30 10:40:32 sivang: that was a design decision to make it easily portable :) Nov 30 10:41:17 tackat: nice, is it in meego repos already? :) Nov 30 10:41:44 sivang: no, see the discussion section here: Nov 30 10:42:30 sivang: http://nienhueser.de/blog/?p=236 Nov 30 10:42:45 sivang: so there are packages but it's not in the repos Nov 30 10:44:15 sivang: and this is how ovimaps looks like in Marble with experimental OpenGL support: http://blip.tv/file/4354030 Nov 30 10:44:58 sivang: unfortunately we can't ship the ovimaps stuff due to the restrictive OviMaps Terms and Conditions. Nov 30 10:46:03 tackat: yes, noted Nov 30 10:46:43 tackat: nice, opengl is not mandatory for ovimaps to work right? Nov 30 10:46:46 e.g. unrelated Nov 30 10:46:53 yes unrelated Nov 30 10:46:54 tackat: I like the globe affect Nov 30 10:47:01 *effect Nov 30 10:47:09 and the topology Nov 30 10:47:19 sivang: the openGL feature is planned for Marble 1.2 release in summer 2011 Nov 30 10:47:45 tackat: where does the data for topology rendering comes from? the map provider as well? Nov 30 10:47:58 e.g. heights of points on the plane ? Nov 30 10:48:18 sivang: well Bernhard did a quick and dirty temporary solution for that Nov 30 10:48:31 sivang: in Marble we have the "Atlas" map Nov 30 10:48:52 sivang: which uses height relief data Nov 30 10:49:00 and that one gets reused for the OpenGL mode Nov 30 10:49:31 It's pretty coarse since the original intent for that data was just to render a classroom style topographic map. Nov 30 10:49:46 heh, the result is quite nice, though Nov 30 10:49:47 but bernhard just reused that and it works pretty well Nov 30 10:50:21 sivang: we'll basically use the same technical approach for the release -- just using higher resolution data Nov 30 10:50:43 tackat: the globe view is using he same data? Nov 30 10:50:52 ? Nov 30 10:51:00 how does maemo start pulseaudio? i may be an upstart newbie, but i can't find the script responsible Nov 30 10:51:33 tackat: nm, mis-phrase Nov 30 10:51:35 sivang: if you start Marble and take the default map - which is "Atlas" then you see a green/blue topographic class room style map Nov 30 10:53:42 sivang: that "Atlas" data is reused for the height profile in the OpenGL mode. See this very very old blog entry for the details of the Atlas map: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3272 Nov 30 10:54:38 tackat: I'll give it a read, Thanks. Nov 30 10:54:53 tackat: I'm curious how the "globe" map mode is created, or the Atlas if that's the name Nov 30 10:55:00 tackat: e.g. round earth sphere Nov 30 10:56:01 sivang: right now it's software rendering Nov 30 10:56:45 sivang: we have this generic render pipeline that takes projections into account. And as part of that we have a GeoPainter -- which is a QPainter with a geodetic API. Nov 30 10:57:49 DocScrutinizer: ping Nov 30 10:57:53 tackat: I have to give it a good read, the code that is, sounds cool :) Nov 30 10:58:23 sivang: here's a tutorial: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Marble/MarbleCPlusPlus (note that it goes across several pages) Nov 30 10:58:39 Venemo: *yawb* Nov 30 10:58:48 Venemo: *yawn* Nov 30 10:59:12 sivang: and then we also have the #marble channel on freenode and our facebook page for bleeding edge news: http://www.facebook.com/marbleglobe Nov 30 10:59:20 tackat: that's what I like about lots of KDE's projects. They generally come with good docs to start with. Nov 30 11:01:37 Well Marble is just in terms of organization a KDE app (and in terms of the optional KDE integration). Technically it's pure Qt :-) . Nov 30 11:01:39 DocScrutinizer51: pm'd you Nov 30 11:02:25 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: Thanks! Nov 30 11:03:07 sivang: ah yes, now I recall your face ;) Nov 30 11:08:44 about flashing an N900 from an N900 Nov 30 11:09:02 Termana, flasher works on the N900, it's preinstalled since 1.1.1 Nov 30 11:09:57 you have to use a hub to make the N900 stay in flashing mode, since when using a hub, anything under it is auto enumerated Nov 30 11:10:11 also, you can charge an N900 from another one Nov 30 11:10:25 thought it's not really effecient, for obvious reasons Nov 30 11:10:47 haha Nov 30 11:10:53 that's kind of ghetto Nov 30 11:10:55 :) Nov 30 11:11:03 charging an n900 from an n900 Nov 30 11:14:16 :DD Nov 30 11:14:44 DocScrutinizer, nah, I don't get pissed easily :P Nov 30 11:14:57 I'm an asshole sometimes, but usually i'm not pissed then Nov 30 11:20:47 lo mo Nov 30 11:21:45 DocScrutinizer51: your late today Nov 30 11:21:52 you're* Nov 30 11:22:12 not really Nov 30 11:22:31 DocScrutinizer51: I was in at the same time today as you are now Nov 30 11:22:50 Or is it just that you are always early, and I am always late - no matter what? Nov 30 11:23:26 well, I'm always in :-P Nov 30 11:23:33 heh :p Nov 30 11:30:06 X-Fade: heya, could you please take a look at the testing list holdup ? It really is hurting the process, we kinda used it to track progress... Nov 30 11:33:54 tackat: you ave a talk about marble in dublin ? Nov 30 11:37:46 where could i find an oprofile kernel for n900? Nov 30 11:38:08 MohammadAG: do you know where to get the ca-157 or another not so bulky adaptor? Nov 30 11:38:47 as nokia does not provide it yet Nov 30 11:39:13 zokier: do you mean overclocking? Nov 30 11:39:28 CA-157 is an an OTG adapter, it won't physically fit in the N900's port Nov 30 11:39:56 chem|st, get a CA-101D, works well Nov 30 11:40:23 chem|st, no, profiling Nov 30 11:41:20 MohammadAG: thats normal datacable... is the mUSB plug modified or why wont it fit? Nov 30 11:42:29 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: Nice! I hade a duplicate "Conflicts: ..." line in my debian/control ... nice, although it could be a bit more verbose about why it failed ... Nov 30 11:44:27 chem|st, no, it's a normal datacable, I have an N8 here too, and the adapter doesn't fit Nov 30 11:45:16 MohammadAG: in germany the ca 157 ships with it (amazon at least tells) Nov 30 11:48:09 Is it g_nokia that provides the AT serial modem to a host via USB? Nov 30 11:58:02 chem|st, with the N8, I know, i have that adapter and it doesn't work with the N900 Nov 30 11:58:07 alterego, think so, yeah Nov 30 12:03:13 hi Nov 30 12:04:22 Hrm, this might not be possible then. Nov 30 12:06:51 sivang: ? Nov 30 12:07:01 chem|st: please read http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=9217715 Nov 30 12:11:31 also http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=9217752 Nov 30 12:11:57 ~debian chem|st Nov 30 12:11:58 * infobot tells chem|st to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! Nov 30 12:14:58 DocScrutinizer, http://i53.tinypic.com/2626ttu.jpg Nov 30 12:15:06 actually, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=886163&postcount=513 Nov 30 12:17:11 hmm, if it works Nov 30 12:17:17 for user Nov 30 12:18:10 I always love options... There's so much I don't have to use then :-D Nov 30 12:18:28 So, if g_nokia creates 3 USB serial devices, why can the host only see one .. Nov 30 12:19:00 DocScrutinizer, they're only three :P Nov 30 12:21:28 alterego, is opening and closing a file with QFile enough to create one? Nov 30 12:22:12 It is if you've set create/append Nov 30 12:22:22 It's part of the file open mode options. Nov 30 12:27:25 ty Nov 30 12:32:35 * DocScrutinizer drools over "Advanced Power 0.4.1-6" / "Advanced Power Monitor: 0.5.1-6" ©2008-2010 Kirill Plyashkevich Nov 30 12:33:28 I wish we had something similarly nice and clean and well done for fremantle Nov 30 12:33:56 similarly... to..... what..... Nov 30 12:34:00 don't we? Nov 30 12:34:46 do we? Nov 30 12:34:53 theres been an advanced power monitor in extras for ages afaik Nov 30 12:35:30 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/advanced-power Nov 30 12:35:31 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/advanced-power-monitor Nov 30 12:36:05 DocScrutinizer, btw, that's the thing responsible for "Charger disconnected" after bme is started Nov 30 12:36:16 hmm, maybe missing milk -> no coffee actually has stronger impact to my performance than expected - yes I should check if we maybe have that Nov 30 12:37:10 MohammadAG_: HAHAHAHA, now I realize this annoyed me on N810 for ages, always TWO notifiers popping up Nov 30 12:37:34 thanks, mate Nov 30 12:39:38 nidO: compare this poor silly thing to what the diablo version offers Nov 30 12:40:08 nidO: probably n00bmokey would turn green in envy Nov 30 12:40:09 ah havent really checked the actual differences, just know its the same software by the same author :p Nov 30 12:40:16 DocScrutinizer, hostmode is kept alive now Nov 30 12:41:37 DocScrutinizer: do you have any experience with kernel development? Nov 30 12:42:10 alterego: well, a bit. Not exactly on linux kernel though Nov 30 12:42:14 hmm. my keyboard backlights don't work Nov 30 12:42:21 anyone know what i could try to see to make them work? Nov 30 12:42:35 DocScrutinizer: on the N900, g_nokia creates 3 USB serial devices, but only initializes one. Nov 30 12:42:48 or not Nov 30 12:42:52 I can mod g_nokia module to initialize all 3 Nov 30 12:42:53 blocking the light sensor dosent turn em on? Nov 30 12:43:13 (BAsically I want to use a usb serial port without sacrificing charging) Nov 30 12:43:17 ham5: ?? Nov 30 12:43:32 korhojoa Nov 30 12:43:34 korhojoa, lemme guess, you recently installed/upgraded kernel-power, if so, take out battery and SIM then reinsert them Nov 30 12:43:54 alterego, g_nokia isn't needed for charging Nov 30 12:44:01 or so I think Nov 30 12:44:03 MohammadAG_, really? hmm Nov 30 12:44:07 well not really recently Nov 30 12:44:14 it's been off without the sim and battery Nov 30 12:44:20 well Nov 30 12:44:23 ham5, nope Nov 30 12:44:25 ls /sys/class/leds Nov 30 12:44:27 MohammadAG_: no, it's not, but the other way to get serial is to use g_serial (which g_nokia actually also does) _that_ sacrifices charging :) Nov 30 12:44:47 MohammadAG_, twl4030:vibrator Nov 30 12:44:48 if it only says twl4030 or something, do as I said Nov 30 12:44:53 okay Nov 30 12:44:55 there you go Nov 30 12:45:04 DocScrutinizer, proof that kernel-power causes this Nov 30 12:45:08 so how come it does that? Nov 30 12:45:16 no idea Nov 30 12:45:25 it does it on non 2101 devices apparently Nov 30 12:45:27 why does the sim require removal aswell? Nov 30 12:45:32 MohammadAG_: how's taking out SIM and then re-insering it *on a non powered device* doing anything good? Nov 30 12:45:39 non 2101? Nov 30 12:45:39 s/good// Nov 30 12:45:39 DocScrutinizer meant: MohammadAG_: how's taking out SIM and then re-insering it *on a non powered device* doing anything ? Nov 30 12:45:50 DocScrutinizer, idk, no device to test if it's actually needed Nov 30 12:46:02 but changing sim resets settings Nov 30 12:46:12 hm, stupid thing to say, nevermind Nov 30 12:46:16 ignore the SIM part Nov 30 12:46:29 korhojoa, cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep Release Nov 30 12:46:36 Or Revision, not sure Nov 30 12:46:36 well. Nov 30 12:46:39 i tried it anyway Nov 30 12:48:08 MohammadAG_, it's a 2101 Nov 30 12:48:13 ~lart matan for breaking powerkernel Nov 30 12:48:14 * infobot teaches matan the basics, including how to RTM for breaking powerkernel Nov 30 12:48:44 ~lart t-tan for not checking this prior to taking patches into 'main' Nov 30 12:48:44 * infobot installs a bad bootloader on t-tan and turns t-tan into a brick for not checking this prior to taking patches into 'main' Nov 30 12:49:15 they work now Nov 30 12:49:17 ~botsnack Nov 30 12:49:17 DocScrutinizer: aw, gee Nov 30 12:50:24 is there a way to enter the pin-code after you've booted the phone? Nov 30 12:50:44 i just bypassed the prompt earlier. does it require a reboot? Nov 30 12:50:52 no Nov 30 12:50:56 go to settings Nov 30 12:50:57 and phone Nov 30 12:51:09 all it says is network unavailable Nov 30 12:51:20 I'm a bit rusty at this, is it possibly to build a specific kernel module rather than the whole source tree? Nov 30 12:52:35 (kbd LEDs) anybody with powerkernel - and preferrably with the defunct kbd-LED issue - tried modprobing the /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1/leds-lp5523.ko ? Nov 30 12:53:03 yes, it won't register the leds Nov 30 12:53:26 N.B. /2.6.28-omap1 Nov 30 12:54:01 I.E replace matan's borked module by the original Nov 30 12:57:33 tackat_: :) Nov 30 13:00:23 korhojoa: could you please get a syslog or dmesg output of a `modprobe -r leds-lp5523; modprobe leds-lp5523` failing to result in working kbd-LEDs? Nov 30 13:06:26 for your reference: on a working system it should look like that: http://pastebin.com/ZjtAGA0F Nov 30 13:10:00 DocScrutinizer, well, sure, when they fail again. Nov 30 13:12:34 LOL Symbian^3 uses DBus Nov 30 13:14:04 really? Nov 30 13:14:11 Interesting. Nov 30 13:14:38 Z:\data\dbus\system.conf Nov 30 13:14:49 Heh Nov 30 13:15:06 SYMBIAN_DBUS_PLATFORM_SECURITY with tcp and stuff in it Nov 30 13:15:15 Ok, i've never used sed as it's regex and i've never tried to learn it Nov 30 13:15:29 sed -i 's/foo/bar/g' *.php - Will that do it recursively? Nov 30 13:15:32 from PWD, i mean Nov 30 13:15:52 lmao Nov 30 13:15:55 s/PWD/working directory/ Nov 30 13:15:56 FIQ meant: from working directory, i mean Nov 30 13:15:59 alterego, apparently there are Qt apps on it Nov 30 13:16:07 FIQ, yes Nov 30 13:16:09 FIQ: it will do quite some recursive mess I guess, yes yes Nov 30 13:16:09 ok Nov 30 13:16:36 alterego, QSettings uses C:\data\.config as /home/user/.config Nov 30 13:16:48 That's cool Nov 30 13:17:19 the panorama app uses Maemo 5's UI o_O Nov 30 13:17:50 uhm, how much of it? Nov 30 13:18:03 all of it looks like Maemo 5 + fcamera Nov 30 13:18:05 as in, just toolbars, or everything? Nov 30 13:18:08 lol Nov 30 13:18:14 ss :D Nov 30 13:18:42 dialogs, the Yes/No is the same as Maemo 5's yes no dialog Nov 30 13:19:08 Hah Nov 30 13:19:15 LOL @ 22MB free RAM Nov 30 13:19:42 I want the battery low sound Nov 30 13:19:55 Panorama app, is it official? Nov 30 13:19:56 it's the same as the Maemo 5 one, with a cooler end Nov 30 13:20:04 yes, Ovi Store on the N8 Nov 30 13:20:21 Because, if it's not, then it might be semi-understandable, if the developer began from Maemo 5 Nov 30 13:20:34 official as in, from nokia Nov 30 13:20:43 think so, yes Nov 30 13:20:47 ...lol Nov 30 13:22:43 I dont get the suprise, why wouldnt they look the same? easily porting apps to do the same and look the same on different platforms is basically the purpose of nokia making heavy use of qt after all Nov 30 13:22:50 who wants the sounds :P Nov 30 13:23:07 nidO, no, Qt uses the UI of the respective OS, not a different one Nov 30 13:23:43 last I checked, Symbian doesn't use hildon-desktop's dialogs Nov 30 13:26:31 isn't hildon even GTK? Nov 30 13:26:36 yes Nov 30 13:26:50 that makes it even more strange IMO Nov 30 13:27:33 it's clearly a custom UI Nov 30 13:27:38 but why base it on hildon Nov 30 13:34:01 http://i55.tinypic.com/fnjic.jpg FIQ Nov 30 13:37:35 MohammadAG_, ah, ok Nov 30 13:37:37 lol Nov 30 13:37:59 MohammadAG_: http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/ke-recv/blobs/master/docs/usb-host-states.png Nov 30 13:38:20 DocScrutinizer, seen it Nov 30 13:39:14 MohammadAG_: you also have seen `ke-recv-test ej` ? Nov 30 13:39:34 yes Nov 30 13:40:08 ke-recv-test at Nov 30 13:40:27 you'll get an error message Unable to connect. No filesystem found, or something Nov 30 13:41:41 how do I encrypt a string in Qt? Nov 30 13:42:43 o.O Nov 30 13:43:08 WUT? Nov 30 13:43:34 rot13 or what? Nov 30 13:43:48 fastest type Nov 30 13:44:03 * DocScrutinizer blinks Nov 30 13:44:10 ~rot13 MohammadAG_ Nov 30 13:44:10 ZbunzznqNT_ Nov 30 13:44:26 ~rot13 ZbunzznqNT_ Nov 30 13:44:26 MohammadAG_ Nov 30 13:45:15 M = Z, b =o, n = a Nov 30 13:45:21 lmao Nov 30 13:45:33 do I really need to ask infobot to quote ~ask ? Nov 30 13:47:44 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encryption >>...to make it unreadable to anyone except those possessing special knowledge, usually referred to as a key<< Nov 30 13:49:00 I'm thinking of making an app that would lock applications Nov 30 13:49:13 problem is, I have no idea how it would work Nov 30 13:49:40 there are symmetric and PK encryption schemes. The symmetric ones only work if you store the key at a safe place Nov 30 13:50:09 that's the easy part Nov 30 13:50:23 uhuh Nov 30 13:50:41 so where's the problem? Nov 30 13:51:01 how to take over hildon-desktop's launcher so it launches a wrapper instead of the app itself Nov 30 13:52:11 a very simple algo for symmetric key cipher is to use the passphrase* xor on the target text Nov 30 13:54:32 MohammadAG_: well, isn't that simple? you need to scramble the original binary anyway to make it non-executable. So why not rename it same time, and instead create a wrapper under original name? Nov 30 13:55:11 or you do it the unix way, with proper permissions and users Nov 30 13:55:47 QCryptographicHash < nice Nov 30 13:56:02 this would however require patches to hildon-applauncher Nov 30 13:57:56 MohammadAG_: QCryptographicHash probably is worthless, as it only creates a hash from a password. So you can verify for two passwords having the same hash (that's how unix user password auth works, the hash is in /etc/passwd - or shadow) Nov 30 13:58:19 got it! Nov 30 13:58:20 I don't see how that helps your case here Nov 30 13:58:25 Nokia-N900:~# dbus-monitor --session | grep App Nov 30 13:58:25 method call sender=:1.113 -> dest=com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr serial=18 path=/com/nokia/HildonDesktop/AppMgr; interface=com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr; member=LaunchApplication Nov 30 13:58:43 I could listen to that and create an overlay window perhaps Nov 30 13:59:23 yes Nov 30 13:59:56 that should also discard CTRL + backspace Nov 30 14:00:12 and the power button, damn, lots of stuff to cover Nov 30 14:00:14 umm what? Nov 30 14:00:41 you're sporting funny projects :-D Nov 30 14:23:11 Huzzah! Nov 30 14:23:38 Question... how does one find out the version of the eMMC on a phone? Nov 30 14:24:02 you don't, the eMMC is the same :P Nov 30 14:24:17 newer images probably contain newer user guides etc Nov 30 14:24:23 And, given that this is a replacement (presumably from refurb), is it worth fhalshing both the eMMC and the rootfs to latest before I begin making it 'mine'? Nov 30 14:24:43 Ahh, so the eMMC isnt as important? Nov 30 14:24:55 I'll just jam 1.3 on then. Nov 30 14:27:52 CableTwitch: flash emmc as well Nov 30 14:28:02 CableTwitch: at least you will wipe any shit that is left there Nov 30 14:30:19 True, true Nov 30 14:30:32 Although technically, they should have done that at the repair center. Nov 30 14:30:52 I have both images from the attempted repair on the previous phone, so I can do both as and when Nov 30 14:31:02 Just charging the battery right now. Nov 30 15:03:38 Wheee, seems to have flashed everything properly. Nov 30 15:03:52 Just gotta wait for the eternity boot process. Nov 30 15:10:36 Awesome. Well, the command shown on the wiki for flashing the firmware references an old on, not the latest one. Yay. Nov 30 15:10:51 adapt\ Nov 30 15:12:10 Reflashing with the NEW rootfs... Nov 30 15:17:46 CableTwitch, it's a wiki. you can fix it. Nov 30 15:22:35 Andre: I should, shouldnt I? Nov 30 15:22:55 Question though... you dont need an account or anything to do this? I havent ever editerd a wiki. Nov 30 15:22:58 -d Nov 30 15:24:12 CableTwitch, heh, okay :) which exact site is wrong, and what exactly? Nov 30 15:26:03 Well, for idiots like myself, copy+pasting the commands for flashing is the quick and easy way. Typically, I forgot to check WHICH release the basic command referenced, and ended up flashing a PR1.1 device with a PR1.1 (I'm guessing) binary. Nov 30 15:26:48 In any case, all it needs to do is point to the latest generic release, I'm guessing. Or not have any release as part of the example, so other idiots dont make this mistake Xd Nov 30 15:27:41 Maybe its just me being dense. Nov 30 15:41:54 Huh. Curious. I appear to have libqtm stuff installed, when I didnt before. Is this a PR1.3 thing, or have I inadvertantly installed something useless to me? Nov 30 15:58:56 Is anybody else really tired of Google's continued search "improvements"? Nov 30 15:59:05 ← Nov 30 15:59:14 Any idea where to get flasher for 64bit Linux? Nov 30 16:00:02 nowhere Nov 30 16:00:12 use ia32-libs stuff Nov 30 16:07:04 GAN900: if you mean that instant search thing... yeah... i find it annoying Nov 30 16:07:14 it can be turned off with a cookie, but still annoying to have to set it Nov 30 16:07:24 That and the damn arrow key hijacking Nov 30 16:07:36 All of the stupid AJAXy shit Nov 30 16:08:28 haven't noticed that Nov 30 16:08:31 arrow key hijacks vanish with instant search disabled too Nov 30 16:08:49 ah... just see that now.. Nov 30 16:09:02 i have to say i kinda like the screenshot of the page in search results though Nov 30 16:09:17 you can still get previews without instant search Nov 30 16:11:30 i just bought 16gb of ram for my laptop for $200 US (plus $20 in taxes)... i like this future Nov 30 16:11:43 disabling javascripts makes the web really more usable Nov 30 16:12:28 i disagree.. javascript is very useful, but it's very poorly used in many places Nov 30 16:12:43 perhaps block javascript with a whitelist of allowed sites, heh Nov 30 16:18:57 "Disable user to lock his screen" Nov 30 16:19:02 Ah, Ubuntu fools. Nov 30 16:19:50 how i install Net::SMTP::SSL perl module on n900? Nov 30 16:22:36 Corsac, adblock & noscript improve so much the web experience, it's always a shock to see it on a PC without these critical tools for modern websurfing, ... Nov 30 16:28:08 any osso dev wizard could tell me why I see this: http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/ke-recv-extra/blobs/master/src/hulda.c#line404 ? Why isn't it using kevents? Nov 30 16:29:40 isn't it completely braindamaged to use polling on a mobile platform, when you got even driven architecture down to the hw peripheral interface? Nov 30 17:18:05 hi guys Nov 30 17:20:47 why the hell does the x terminal quit right after I start it? Nov 30 17:22:55 Mine did that the other day, I got quite paranoid that something screwed up the shell, like editing .profile. If you've not made any of those changes, restart the device and it should start working again. Unless you want to investigate further and file a report or something ;) Nov 30 17:24:02 yeah, but I'm not in the mood of rebooting right now Nov 30 17:24:05 never had that happen...I do have a shortcut for a terminal that ssh's automatically and that quits if I don't have net at that moment Nov 30 17:24:44 joga, it's the preinstalled xterm on the device, nothing special Nov 30 17:29:06 I've only encountered this issue once, and it was with 1.3 so it might be a real bug, especially now you seem to have suffered the same problem. Nov 30 17:29:28 yeah Nov 30 17:29:46 anyway I don't care about writing a bug report Nov 30 17:29:54 reboot and see if it carries on Nov 30 17:30:17 in the time you have been pondering it you couldv confirmed and got on with next thing :P Nov 30 17:30:17 reboot'll probably fix it (did before) Nov 30 17:31:37 lcuk, not pondering :P Nov 30 17:32:02 lcuk: if he does that and it starts working we may not have another oppertunity to debug thed situation again :P Nov 30 17:34:01 lol Nov 30 17:34:38 and my cpu runs on max according to the cpumem applet Nov 30 17:34:42 for no reason Nov 30 17:37:22 forkbomb Nov 30 17:38:27 I.E. some process is respawning or forking so fast and many times, you can't start xterm Nov 30 17:40:11 I've seen that with dbus-scripting, flashlight-extra, and I guess you can have it with other programs/processes as well Nov 30 17:40:53 hmm Nov 30 17:41:04 or something ate all the memory and now the OMM is killing processes Nov 30 17:41:21 so you're sayin that some crap I installed is doing this? Nov 30 17:41:36 hmm Nov 30 17:42:04 well then the OMM's been working for 30 minutes now Nov 30 17:42:31 evening alls Nov 30 17:42:53 first step: close all browser windows Nov 30 17:43:03 alterego, ping Nov 30 17:43:19 pong Nov 30 17:43:23 w0000p Nov 30 17:43:28 :) Nov 30 17:43:31 remove back cover (will umount uSD and so no tracker will index it) Nov 30 17:43:38 Got an autobuilder error on the mammoth coding error that is healthcheck :P Nov 30 17:43:40 /usr/bin/rcc: File does not exist '../hcimages.qrc' Nov 30 17:43:46 yet the file is there :| Nov 30 17:44:03 seen that b4? Nov 30 17:44:26 Nope, probably to do with the path though Nov 30 17:44:47 hmmm where does ../ mean, ie, the same place as the pro file? as the line above is cd builddir && qmake-qt4 PREFIX=/usr ../Healthcheck.pro Nov 30 17:45:01 and it finds the pro file fine, and the qrc is in the same folder :| Nov 30 17:45:17 haha Nov 30 17:45:45 Hrm, yeah. Nov 30 17:45:47 Interesting. Nov 30 17:45:49 hmmmmmmm Nov 30 17:45:55 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/healthcheck_2.9.1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt Nov 30 17:47:45 trap "pwd; ls -l ../hc*" ERROR Nov 30 17:47:56 ;) Nov 30 17:48:03 hi can anyone help with my N900? Nov 30 17:48:45 it has a camera problem it says operation failed when you open lens cover Nov 30 17:49:55 DocScrutinizer: got no browser windows, nor SD Nov 30 17:50:21 DocScrutinizer: only the irc client is running Nov 30 17:50:54 hmmm Nov 30 17:51:09 NooBmonk3y: is it possible that the qrc is not included in the source package Nov 30 17:51:17 its there :| Nov 30 17:51:21 just checking the pro file Nov 30 17:51:22 RESOURCES += hcimages.qrc Nov 30 17:51:23 try to ssh in, and get a top/htop, and a dmesg/syslog Nov 30 17:51:38 compiles and runs fine from qt though Nov 30 17:51:42 so testing it is fine Nov 30 17:51:49 will do when I get home Nov 30 17:52:18 DocScrutinizer: btw, as you recommended, I read the article titled endianness on wikipedia (redirected from byte order) Nov 30 17:52:39 DocScrutinizer: it shed some light on somethings, so thx Nov 30 17:52:59 np Nov 30 17:53:21 bbl Nov 30 17:54:19 alterego, pro file here - http://pastebin.com/ybQfiNAi Nov 30 17:54:33 (i just added the rcc dir part in an attempt to get working Nov 30 17:54:48 i've tried a reflash with no luck Nov 30 17:55:28 NooBmonk3y: remove that and change the "RESOURCES += ../hcimages.qrc" see what that does Nov 30 17:55:44 I'm poking in the dark here though ;) Nov 30 17:55:58 jimmy_: maybe consider taking your precious to a repair center? Nov 30 17:56:11 trying :) Nov 30 17:56:15 hehe know the feeling :P Nov 30 17:56:33 ok, well qt building ok, will just test on the device, then try again Nov 30 17:56:42 NooBmonk3y: does scratchbox build it okay? Nov 30 17:56:49 Venemo_N900, dont use scratchbox Nov 30 17:56:58 mad builder does though Nov 30 17:56:59 Actually, that probably wont work :/ Nov 30 17:57:19 alterego, interesting though Nov 30 17:57:20 Judging by your SOURCES, HEADERS and FORMS. Nov 30 17:57:22 no pictures lol ;) Nov 30 17:57:23 hehehe Nov 30 17:57:30 Yeah, couldn't find the file ;) Nov 30 17:57:34 mm thats the last resort i would have liked to have fixed it my self have you got any other suggestions that are worth a shot? Nov 30 17:59:19 ok, back to normal again :) Nov 30 17:59:33 jimmy_: reflash emmc+rootfs? Nov 30 17:59:58 in that order right? Nov 30 18:00:09 NooBmonk3y: I'd be more worried about your compilation problem atm :P Nov 30 18:00:16 jimmy_: yes Nov 30 18:00:24 alterego, compilation problem? Nov 30 18:00:25 jimmy_: or uninstall everything that might have been messing with the camera fw Nov 30 18:00:33 i dont get the other warnings in qt , just autobuilder :p Nov 30 18:00:42 Yeah, Nov 30 18:00:51 They're not warnings, they're linking errors Nov 30 18:00:52 i'm assuming they are warnings not errors though? Nov 30 18:00:56 oh poo Nov 30 18:01:02 That is why your build fails. Nov 30 18:01:07 The .qrc is a minor issue. Nov 30 18:01:10 Venemo_N900: thanks i'll give it a go see what happens Nov 30 18:01:27 pity it doesnt say where there errors are lol Nov 30 18:01:32 I think you need to add the mobility libraries to your debian/control file in the build-depends Nov 30 18:01:37 oooooo Nov 30 18:01:41 the question is, how? :) Nov 30 18:01:48 :) Nov 30 18:02:04 I can't help you right now I have to nip to the shop. Nov 30 18:02:13 bbaim Nov 30 18:02:44 NooBmonk3y: build-depends libqtm or whatever the package name is Nov 30 18:02:53 hmmmmmm Nov 30 18:03:10 Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev is my current one Nov 30 18:03:23 NooBmonk3y: I'll be able to tell you when I got home Nov 30 18:03:30 lol cheers ven! Nov 30 18:04:29 NooBmonk3y :) Nov 30 18:05:26 NooBmonk3y: which part of Qt mobility are you using? Nov 30 18:05:33 erm lots ;) Nov 30 18:06:07 well anyway Nov 30 18:06:11 sensors, systeminfo, qcamera, Nov 30 18:06:12 etc Nov 30 18:06:29 I bet it's gonna be libqtm-dev Nov 30 18:06:29 http://maemo.org/packages/view/libqtm-dev/ Nov 30 18:07:04 hmmm got that already :| Nov 30 18:07:07 NooBmonk3y: add that to your build dependencies Nov 30 18:07:21 Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev Nov 30 18:07:26 oh Nov 30 18:07:29 am i missing an m? Nov 30 18:07:33 then link the failed build log pls Nov 30 18:07:38 Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqtm4-dev ? Nov 30 18:07:51 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/healthcheck_2.9.1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt Nov 30 18:07:56 you need both of 'em Nov 30 18:08:02 ahaaa will try! Nov 30 18:08:12 libqt4-dev is for Qt Nov 30 18:08:22 libqtm-dev is for Qt Mobility Nov 30 18:09:00 so it's gonna be Build-Depends: debhelper (>=5), libqt4-dev, libqtm-dev Nov 30 18:10:42 NooBmonk3y: tell me if there's something wrong still Nov 30 18:10:58 just uploading to autobuilder Nov 30 18:11:07 okay Nov 30 18:11:10 mad dpkg-buildpackage -sa -S didn't like it much though Nov 30 18:11:18 why not? Nov 30 18:11:24 dpkg-buildpackage: warning: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting. Nov 30 18:11:30 omg. Nov 30 18:11:33 dpkg-buildpackage: warning: (Use -d flag to override.) Nov 30 18:11:33 dpkg-buildpackage: warning: This is currently a non-fatal warning with -S, but Nov 30 18:11:33 dpkg-buildpackage: warning: will probably become fatal in the future. Nov 30 18:11:44 fatal doesnt sound fun! Nov 30 18:11:48 in the meantime, are you still using Linux? Nov 30 18:11:53 yup buntu Nov 30 18:12:26 might be worth to install the Scratchbox SDK too then Nov 30 18:12:28 :| Nov 30 18:12:37 not right now Nov 30 18:12:41 yeah :p hehe Nov 30 18:12:47 but for sometime in the future Nov 30 18:12:50 my pc struggles as it is :P Nov 30 18:12:59 because autobuilder also uses that Nov 30 18:13:51 so if something works with scratchbox, it'll probably work with the autobuilder too Nov 30 18:14:06 got further ;) Nov 30 18:14:07 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/healthcheck_2.9.1/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt Nov 30 18:14:19 still fail :( Nov 30 18:14:22 same dpkg dependency error though Nov 30 18:14:28 E: Couldn't find package libqtm4-dev Nov 30 18:14:51 Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev, libqtm4-dev Nov 30 18:15:01 NooBmonk3y: cAN YOU NOT READ? Nov 30 18:15:06 ? Nov 30 18:15:08 sorry for caps Nov 30 18:15:09 lol obviously not :P Nov 30 18:15:16 you misspelled it... Nov 30 18:15:25 there is no libqtm4-dev Nov 30 18:15:27 :P Nov 30 18:15:35 lol Nov 30 18:15:37 just seen Nov 30 18:15:52 fuuuuuuuu Nov 30 18:15:57 sorry :P Nov 30 18:16:01 gaddamn windows! Nov 30 18:16:02 mece: what's up? Nov 30 18:16:16 ok seemed happier Nov 30 18:16:18 lol mecwe Nov 30 18:16:19 I did some work on a project on my work computer Nov 30 18:16:21 mece, Nov 30 18:16:43 which is windows xp, forgot to push the git, and now it's unreachable, eventhough the computer is on. Nov 30 18:17:01 so... can't really continue to work on it now, can I? Nov 30 18:17:03 grrrrrrr Nov 30 18:17:24 mece: why is it unreachable? Nov 30 18:17:34 Venemo_N900, well how would I access it? Nov 30 18:17:49 Venemo_N900, it's a windows machine Nov 30 18:17:51 mece: isn't it on your hard drive? Nov 30 18:18:07 Venemo_N900, well yes, but not in my home where I am now, but at my workplace Nov 30 18:18:25 mece: oh, that compicates things. Nov 30 18:18:29 indeed. Nov 30 18:18:53 remote desktop? vnc? Nov 30 18:18:55 maybe I have that rdesktop thing enabled.. Nov 30 18:18:56 gmm Nov 30 18:19:01 not vnc I'm sure Nov 30 18:19:18 I've never used rdesktop, but that doesn't mean it's not enabled. Nov 30 18:19:20 hmmhmm Nov 30 18:20:39 mece: afaik not enabled by default Nov 30 18:20:56 ok now back to the previos errors - https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/healthcheck_2.9.1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt Nov 30 18:20:59 Venemo_N900, no I guess not, but perhaps the work admins turned it on for me Nov 30 18:21:35 NooBmonk3y, missing a build dependency, or the wrong version of one Nov 30 18:21:37 perhaps Nov 30 18:21:53 hmmm Nov 30 18:22:31 mece: maybe Nov 30 18:22:35 NooBmonk3y: looking at it Nov 30 18:22:49 * NooBmonk3y is gonna resintall qt mobility i feel Nov 30 18:22:53 NooBmonk3y: yep Nov 30 18:23:01 you¨re missing libqtm-sensors Nov 30 18:23:28 NooBmonk3y: look here -> https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/healthcheck_2.9.1/armel.root.log.OK.txt Nov 30 18:23:41 dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2 Nov 30 18:23:42 okay Nov 30 18:23:42 it's ~20 mins until I get home Nov 30 18:23:47 NooBmonk3y: a lot of libqtm but no sensors. that's why sensors would not work Nov 30 18:23:54 NooBmonk3y: which is where it crashes. Nov 30 18:24:11 * NooBmonk3y is confused :P Nov 30 18:24:15 yeah Nov 30 18:24:23 hmm... Nov 30 18:24:42 NooBmonk3y, you need to put libqtm-sensors as a dependency Nov 30 18:24:51 ahaaaaaaa Nov 30 18:24:52 packaging is always like voodoo magic. I learn something interesting every time. Nov 30 18:24:57 probably gonna need more than that too Nov 30 18:24:59 the error is "cannot find -lQtSensors " Nov 30 18:25:04 ie system info ones too Nov 30 18:25:15 and there's a package called libqtm-sensors and it's the only libqtm package NOT installed Nov 30 18:25:39 well then that's gonna be it Nov 30 18:25:41 i have no idea what the libqtm-* packages are called though Nov 30 18:25:42 these are the ones that are included: libqtm-bearer libqtm-contacts libqtm-location libqtm-messaging libqtm-multimedia libqtm-publishsubscribe libqtm-serviceframework libqtm-systeminfo libqtm-versit Nov 30 18:25:48 ahhh yay! Nov 30 18:25:54 i know from that what i need, cheers! Nov 30 18:26:11 NooBmonk3y: 'dpkg -l | grep libqtm' will tell you Nov 30 18:26:16 NooBmonk3y: it's all in the root log. it says which packages are used Nov 30 18:26:38 ty Venemo_N900 & mece Nov 30 18:26:41 Can it be that the initial boot after flashing takes quite a bit longer than usual? Nov 30 18:26:43 Build-Depends: debhelper (>=5), libqt4-dev, libqtm-dev, libqtm-sensors, libqtm-multimedia, libqtm-systeminfo Nov 30 18:26:46 look ok? Nov 30 18:26:47 yw Nov 30 18:26:52 yacc: maybe Nov 30 18:26:53 NooBmonk3y, maube. Nov 30 18:26:55 hehe Nov 30 18:27:00 NooBmonk3y: nope Nov 30 18:27:01 haha Nov 30 18:27:03 typing is hard Nov 30 18:27:17 NooBmonk3y: those go to Depends, right mece? Nov 30 18:27:26 yeah I think so. Nov 30 18:27:39 :) :) Nov 30 18:27:40 the -dev ones only in depends Nov 30 18:27:41 * NooBmonk3y is trying Nov 30 18:27:47 oh Nov 30 18:27:52 dhe build depends are the ones that are not needed for running the thing Nov 30 18:27:55 build-depends :P Nov 30 18:28:05 so the other ones? lol Nov 30 18:28:06 mece: the -devs are going to build-depends and the simple ones to depends Nov 30 18:28:09 Oh, cool, mece is on the case :) Nov 30 18:28:14 ahhhh so i was wrong :p Nov 30 18:28:16 yes. Nov 30 18:28:18 yeah I agree with alterego Nov 30 18:28:26 it was a typo Nov 30 18:28:27 so........ Nov 30 18:28:49 NooBmonk3y, so, Build-Depends: debhelper (>=5), libqt4-dev, libqtm-dev Nov 30 18:28:50 Build-Depends: debhelper (>=5), libqt4-dev, libqtm-dev and Depends: libqtm-sensors, libqtm-multimedia, libqtm-systeminfo Nov 30 18:28:58 NooBmonk3y, Depends: Nov 30 18:29:08 right Nov 30 18:29:12 yay! Nov 30 18:29:20 try it :) Nov 30 18:29:28 no yay saying yet Nov 30 18:30:24 * NooBmonk3y is crossing fingers Nov 30 18:31:09 * Venemo_N900 too Nov 30 18:31:37 * mece is not. He's not superstitious. Nov 30 18:32:53 well. moo. Nov 30 18:33:01 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/healthcheck_2.9.1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt ;) Nov 30 18:33:37 * NooBmonk3y moo's Nov 30 18:34:06 hmm sensors is still not installed Nov 30 18:34:16 still can't find sensors Nov 30 18:34:20 heh Nov 30 18:34:42 are you sure you uploaded the new build? Nov 30 18:34:50 what happens if you try and add libqtm-sensors to the build depends too? Nov 30 18:34:57 hold on Nov 30 18:35:05 will to a fresh new build and remove old files brb Nov 30 18:36:09 buildpackage still errors, just noticed Nov 30 18:36:10 dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libqtm4-dev Nov 30 18:36:10 dpkg-buildpackage: warning: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting. Nov 30 18:36:10 dpkg-buildpackage: warning: (Use -d flag to override.) Nov 30 18:36:10 dpkg-buildpackage: warning: This is currently a non-fatal warning with -S, but Nov 30 18:36:10 dpkg-buildpackage: warning: will probably become fatal in the future. Nov 30 18:36:24 hmmm Nov 30 18:36:26 hold on Nov 30 18:36:30 that old error is still there Nov 30 18:36:30 lol! Nov 30 18:36:38 wtf Nov 30 18:36:39 hang on Nov 30 18:36:43 its not in my control file! Nov 30 18:36:48 Build-Depends: debhelper (>=5), libqt4-dev, libqtm-dev Nov 30 18:36:53 the package is called libqtm-dev Nov 30 18:36:53 freaky! Nov 30 18:37:02 yeah ! (I listened ven, i promise!) Nov 30 18:37:09 y build deends is correct Nov 30 18:37:12 depends* Nov 30 18:37:23 eh. Nov 30 18:37:27 NooBmonk3y, hmm Nov 30 18:39:22 ok rebuilt, checked and no errors Nov 30 18:39:37 of it goes ;) Nov 30 18:40:09 randomness :P Nov 30 18:40:16 i always get the fun errors :P Nov 30 18:41:15 NooBmonk3y, :) Nov 30 18:41:22 :) :) Nov 30 18:43:04 so NooBmonk3y is it okay now? :) Nov 30 18:43:14 waiting on autobuilder Nov 30 18:43:18 buildpackage went thru ok Nov 30 18:43:20 k Nov 30 18:43:42 well I just arrived home Nov 30 18:44:02 the app itself is no where near ready, but getting it built will make my updates and uploading alot easier Nov 30 18:44:12 ohhh wine was in there :p Nov 30 18:44:17 it just failed out, so prob mine next Nov 30 18:44:20 fail Nov 30 18:44:36 heh? Nov 30 18:44:45 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/healthcheck_2.9.1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt Nov 30 18:44:52 no sensors again Nov 30 18:45:03 i think i know why :P Nov 30 18:45:26 NooBmonk3y, you forgot to add it? Nov 30 18:45:35 nope Nov 30 18:45:44 i think its related to me taking a hortcut Nov 30 18:45:47 shortcut* Nov 30 18:45:56 a shortcut to mushrooms? Nov 30 18:46:15 i should be using #include but that never worked so copied the files into my proj folder and used #include "qsensor.h" Nov 30 18:46:35 builds and tests on my device fine, but i assume not on autobuilder Nov 30 18:46:37 well can you build it locally? Nov 30 18:46:42 yup :P Nov 30 18:46:52 do you have libatm-sensors installed locally? Nov 30 18:47:00 s/libatm/libqtm Nov 30 18:47:02 ? :| Nov 30 18:47:03 fuu Nov 30 18:47:05 trailing / Nov 30 18:47:07 he doesn't use scratchbox Nov 30 18:47:15 oh. Nov 30 18:47:16 i build on ubuntu, using qtcreator Nov 30 18:47:17 hm Nov 30 18:47:19 and test on my device Nov 30 18:47:21 Boo Nov 30 18:47:26 Boo to you too! Nov 30 18:48:04 ok but still, it doesn't install libqtm-sensors and it fails on sensors, so I believe there's a connection. Nov 30 18:48:09 hi Nov 30 18:48:10 :| Nov 30 18:48:14 hmmmmmm Nov 30 18:48:20 ahhh wb Ven Nov 30 18:48:22 it installs ALL the other qtm packages Nov 30 18:48:22 NooBmonk3y: you got my email address. send me the stuff Nov 30 18:48:49 I'll quit on the N900 now Nov 30 18:48:49 bb Nov 30 18:49:05 venemo lol its huge will chuck it up in a tar to ftp Nov 30 18:49:05 will just do the whole folder so you can laugh ;) Nov 30 18:49:05 its a mess :P Nov 30 18:49:31 Ahh yes, the qtm stuff... if it shows up in the uninstall list, its safe to get rid of, right? Nov 30 18:49:35 NooBmonk3y: okay with me Nov 30 18:49:41 CableTwitch: if you wanna Nov 30 18:50:06 Cool. I dont recall installing it, I wasnt sure if it was something PR1.3 related. Nov 30 18:50:06 CableTwitch, well you don't need it in general. just for programs that use it Nov 30 18:50:28 CableTwitch: it is there since PR 1.3 Nov 30 18:50:36 I did wonder. Nov 30 18:50:43 CableTwitch: for any apps that may need it (like with any lib) Nov 30 18:51:00 just uploading :P Nov 30 18:51:14 Right, I dont do experimental apps, so I doubt I'll need it. Nov 30 18:51:17 lol Nov 30 18:51:25 CableTwitch, qt apps have been around for ages :P Nov 30 18:51:33 was just a new version that came with 1.3 Nov 30 18:51:45 I think qtm stuff is included in mp-fremantle-generic-pr Nov 30 18:51:55 so removing it would break that package. Nov 30 18:52:00 maybe Nov 30 18:52:03 :P Nov 30 18:52:08 If its been around for ages... why is it now shown in the uninstall list, whereas it wasnt before? Nov 30 18:52:15 qtm is new Nov 30 18:52:23 oh the mobility lot :p Nov 30 18:52:26 tep Nov 30 18:52:28 yep Nov 30 18:52:32 :P Nov 30 18:52:46 Ok, I'm now truely confused. Nov 30 18:52:52 And as such, I'll leave it be for now. Nov 30 18:52:59 :) Nov 30 18:52:59 ooo my misses will be in the middle of a 4 minute exam about now ;) Nov 30 18:53:00 :D Nov 30 18:53:08 4 minute exam? Nov 30 18:53:09 wtf Nov 30 18:53:10 Hades knows I dont need yet another broken N900... XD Nov 30 18:53:13 misses? Nov 30 18:53:16 sign language ;) Nov 30 18:53:19 mrs Nov 30 18:53:22 I guess he meant missus Nov 30 18:53:23 misses Nov 30 18:53:23 missus Nov 30 18:53:24 :) Nov 30 18:53:26 your wife? Nov 30 18:53:27 gf Nov 30 18:53:27 etc Nov 30 18:53:31 hubby Nov 30 18:53:33 The SigOther Nov 30 18:53:36 girlfriend Nov 30 18:53:40 okay :) Nov 30 18:53:43 bedfellow Nov 30 18:53:48 sorry, I'm not native English speaker :P Nov 30 18:53:49 She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed Nov 30 18:53:51 missus is just a take on either that or wife Nov 30 18:53:56 mece, boss Nov 30 18:53:57 supreme leader Nov 30 18:54:02 ;) Nov 30 18:54:02 mece: bedfellow, LoL :D Nov 30 18:54:08 government Nov 30 18:54:11 Venemo, neither am i most of the time lol Nov 30 18:54:13 anyway Nov 30 18:54:25 NooBmonk3y: aren't you an English person? Nov 30 18:54:32 supposedly! Nov 30 18:54:41 1/2 australian, that may be where i am going wrong ;) Nov 30 18:54:54 NooBmonk3y: oh :) Nov 30 18:54:57 OH Nov 30 18:54:58 NooBmonk3y: and where do you live? Nov 30 18:55:00 ok then. Nov 30 18:55:02 england lol Nov 30 18:55:05 :D Nov 30 18:55:07 doesnt mean i speak it correctly ;) Nov 30 18:55:14 a lot explained. Nov 30 18:55:18 Australian? Nah, he's half drunk, half English ;O) Nov 30 18:55:24 lol CableTwitch Nov 30 18:55:34 and english == drunk, so completely drunk. Nov 30 18:55:42 hahaha Nov 30 18:55:47 Something like that :O) Nov 30 18:55:49 mece, drinking yourself sober it is called Nov 30 18:56:01 hehe Nov 30 18:56:02 I've yet to get back to sober. Nov 30 18:56:04 Venemo, http://ubuntuone.com/p/RXB/ Nov 30 18:56:28 I tend to reach the heady heights of 'Acute Alcohol Poisoning', then pass out. Nov 30 18:56:36 Maybe sober is after that? Nov 30 18:56:45 i'm a sensible drunk :P Nov 30 18:56:51 very quiet and seem to know my limits :( Nov 30 18:56:56 so i just fall asleep lol Nov 30 18:57:09 although, my limits on friday night was 3 bottles of wine lol Nov 30 18:57:24 and the missus does not drink, so allways entertaining Nov 30 18:57:30 NooBmonk3y: seems that you English people have a very good sense of humor Nov 30 18:57:42 NooBmonk3y: yours is almost as good as lcuk's :P Nov 30 18:57:44 Venemo, we are very good at making fun of our selves, ;) Nov 30 18:57:46 lol! Nov 30 18:57:49 he's a northener Nov 30 18:57:52 Sensible drunk... quiet and know your limits... falling asleep... there is NO way you're Aussie then. Nov 30 18:57:56 northener? Nov 30 18:57:59 if he can;t make fun of himself, something is wrong ;) Nov 30 18:58:01 Venemo, he only lacks bacon ale. Nov 30 18:58:05 Venemo, people who live up norf Nov 30 18:58:09 i r southener Nov 30 18:58:12 Oop nurth Nov 30 18:58:15 oh, okay Nov 30 18:58:21 NooBmonk3y == wussy southerner :P Nov 30 18:58:23 they all speak wird-like oooop norf Nov 30 18:58:35 lcuk, 1 2 3 4 i declare a bacon warrrrrrrrrr! Nov 30 18:58:35 Nothing wussy about the South. Nov 30 18:58:35 lol Nov 30 18:58:52 tbf, i'm so far south at the moment, even kathy aint much more southern lol Nov 30 18:59:22 lol btw did kathy tell you about who she befriended on twitter? Nov 30 18:59:29 ^^ lcuk Nov 30 18:59:43 who? Nov 30 18:59:49 my chief executive ;) Nov 30 18:59:54 who seems to be stalking me Nov 30 19:00:02 hehehe Nov 30 19:00:24 ok she is a woman so good start but 60ish lol :P (and rich lol...) - but also has a cute daughter i hear Nov 30 19:00:24 he wants to also taste mandys delicious muffins Nov 30 19:00:27 How far south are you, Noob? Nov 30 19:00:28 NooBmonk3y: oh yeah... fails to even build on Scratchbox Nov 30 19:00:33 CableTwitch, near brighton Nov 30 19:00:38 i can see the sea out the window Nov 30 19:00:43 gotta go cuddle with the ball'n'chain. good luck NooBmonk3y :) Nov 30 19:00:49 Venemo, coulda told u that without scratchbox ;) Nov 30 19:00:56 lol mece have fun! Nov 30 19:00:58 ty! Nov 30 19:01:17 Brighton... I hear it doesnt get that dark in Brighton, on account of all the rainbows and sparkles... XD Nov 30 19:01:23 hahaha Nov 30 19:01:30 i'm nearer worthing, old gay people, yummy Nov 30 19:01:34 NooBmonk3y: I unpacked the source tar.gz, that okay? Nov 30 19:01:40 yeah :) Nov 30 19:01:45 tis just the messy source folder! Nov 30 19:01:56 that builds fine in qt creator Nov 30 19:02:11 theres left over old crap in there, but will sort that later :P Nov 30 19:02:51 NooBmonk3y: yeah, builds fine in Qt Creator Nov 30 19:03:11 :) Nov 30 19:03:31 i know i whine about package building alot, but it really aint straightforward :p Nov 30 19:03:33 NooBmonk3y: now I'm installing Qt Mobility to my Scratchbox (realized I didn't have any of it) Nov 30 19:03:40 haha Nov 30 19:03:44 that would help! ! :) Nov 30 19:04:30 hm Nov 30 19:04:34 it seems to be okay Nov 30 19:05:11 ooooo Nov 30 19:05:13 builds?! Nov 30 19:05:20 freaky deaky! Nov 30 19:06:10 yeah, 'make' makes a binary out of it Nov 30 19:06:16 but dpkg-buildpackage is still whining Nov 30 19:06:37 you know Nov 30 19:06:57 lol! Nov 30 19:07:06 oh, this shit Qt Creator messed up the debian folder... Nov 30 19:07:12 * NooBmonk3y is the dpkg anti-christ Nov 30 19:07:15 they should call it Crap Creator really Nov 30 19:07:30 apart from the gui side is alot easier! Nov 30 19:07:49 well you know Nov 30 19:07:56 the control file contains exactly nothing Nov 30 19:08:06 none of the stuff we told you earlier Nov 30 19:10:33 NooBmonk3y: are you sure you sent me the right thing? Nov 30 19:10:47 Btw, is there any way to generate a flashable backup of the installed Maemo system? Nov 30 19:10:47 i suppose i need to set qt creator up properly so it looks like a project folder at some point Nov 30 19:10:53 Venemo, not in there Nov 30 19:10:59 but check the other tar Nov 30 19:11:09 i ignore the qt creator debian folder Nov 30 19:11:10 its crap Nov 30 19:11:23 i copy the project files out and use another folder to build Nov 30 19:11:32 well that is not a right thing to do Nov 30 19:11:37 lol :P Nov 30 19:11:48 the right thing to do is to set "skip packaging step" in Qt Creator Nov 30 19:11:55 ahhh :p meh Nov 30 19:11:56 that way it won't screw you up Nov 30 19:12:07 but it worked ok for maecount that way ::P Nov 30 19:13:02 yeah, but it is a pain to manage the stuff that way Nov 30 19:13:16 kinda, makes it nice and clean for me though Nov 30 19:13:24 hehe Nov 30 19:13:36 well what I recommended make it nice and clean for me :) Nov 30 19:13:38 as the proj stuff is on a windows partioned external hdd, and i dpkg it on the linux folders in a clean new folder Nov 30 19:13:42 haha Nov 30 19:14:02 :) Nov 30 19:16:21 ok, it worked for me Nov 30 19:16:32 I love how you guys appear to hold conversations in a bizarre form of code. Nov 30 19:16:53 NooBmonk3y: not sure why the autobuilder doesn't work Nov 30 19:16:57 maybe X-Fade can help? Nov 30 19:16:57 I understand approximatly sod all of it, but its awesome to watch XD Nov 30 19:16:59 :( Nov 30 19:17:04 CableTwitch: what do you mean? Nov 30 19:17:06 X-Fade, is amazing, its true ;) Nov 30 19:17:23 he is the repo maintainer :P Nov 30 19:17:27 very true :P Nov 30 19:17:31 ~seen X-Fade Nov 30 19:17:41 Venemo: I'm no coder. I dont use linux, except on the N900. Its all space-language to me :O) Nov 30 19:17:43 x-fade is currently on #maemo (1d 9h 43m 28s) #meego (1d 9h 43m 28s). Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 8h 42m 31s, last said: '*lunch even.'. Nov 30 19:17:59 wow 8 hr lunch, thats impressive Nov 30 19:18:01 CableTwitch: oh :) Nov 30 19:18:30 CableTwitch, as it seems, i'm the same as you lol i cant keep up with myself let alone them Nov 30 19:18:44 lcuk, any ideas? :P https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/healthcheck_2.9.1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt Nov 30 19:18:52 autobuilder errors :p Nov 30 19:19:04 I must admit, I come here for the technical assistance more than anything. But I do learn a little now and then. Mostly how to unbugger my phone. Nov 30 19:19:12 lol CableTwitch Nov 30 19:19:13 ld: cannot find -lQtSensors Nov 30 19:19:23 ;) Nov 30 19:19:30 I guess libqtm-sensors is not okay on the autobuilder Nov 30 19:19:49 * lcuk hms Nov 30 19:19:58 googling -lQtSensors brings up nothing, wow Nov 30 19:20:09 hmmmmmmmm Nov 30 19:20:24 Noob: I've taken delivery of my 3rd 900 today. First one I broke the USB connector (Not off the mobo, just managed to disintegrate the socket itself), the 2nd one just went into a coma and never woke up (was a refub replacement for the first), and now this one. Nov 30 19:20:27 i know what it is lol Nov 30 19:20:28 i think Nov 30 19:20:40 oh know, i dont Nov 30 19:20:40 CableTwitch: congrats :) Nov 30 19:21:00 NooBmonk3y, hm Nov 30 19:21:04 qtm-sensors is the lib Nov 30 19:21:06 * NooBmonk3y hmmmm's too Nov 30 19:21:08 NooBmonk3y: -lQtSensors is the C flag for making the compiler use the libqtm-sensors package Nov 30 19:21:32 Depends: libqtm-sensors, libqtm-multimedia, libqtm-systeminfo Nov 30 19:21:41 so i assume it is realising that Nov 30 19:21:44 but just screwing up? Nov 30 19:22:00 yes Nov 30 19:22:05 bahhhhhhh Nov 30 19:22:07 my Scratchbox could build it fine Nov 30 19:22:31 ohhhhk :p thats good news :) Nov 30 19:22:37 Does anyone know if SMB has been sorted for the N900? Nov 30 19:22:42 borked scratchbox, yay! Nov 30 19:22:48 Well done Nov 30 19:22:52 NooBmonk3y, Nov 30 19:22:59 lcuk, Nov 30 19:23:05 libqtm-dev is not pulling in libqtm-sensors Nov 30 19:23:06 CableTwitch, Nov 30 19:23:15 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/healthcheck_2.9.1/armel.root.log.OK.txt Nov 30 19:23:18 see and check Nov 30 19:23:22 it has all other components Nov 30 19:23:34 lcuk: what did you do? Nov 30 19:23:41 huh! Nov 30 19:24:25 * lcuk would say that is a bug Nov 30 19:24:44 evening, lcuk. how is life? Nov 30 19:24:49 lcuk, how did you manage to make it build okay? Nov 30 19:24:49 Oooh, something else I dod wonder. Is it possible to make the media player simply list all MP3s per folder, instead of very unhelpfully bunging all those with little or no ID3 data into one generic catagory? Nov 30 19:24:52 lcuk, bug my end? Nov 30 19:24:56 bug that end? Nov 30 19:25:03 CableTwitch: there is a media player which works by folders Nov 30 19:25:09 CableTwitch: I forgot its name though Nov 30 19:25:16 libqtm-dev is not including the libqtm-sensors info Nov 30 19:25:25 not your end afaik unless you were meant to add it Nov 30 19:25:32 RST38h, very strange day. Nov 30 19:25:37 ohjkkk, so libqtm-dev packaging error Nov 30 19:25:44 pulling in many places Nov 30 19:26:16 :| Nov 30 19:26:21 yeah lots in their Nov 30 19:26:24 there* Nov 30 19:27:15 lcuk: ? Nov 30 19:27:17 NooBmonk3y, which versions of qtm are you using Nov 30 19:27:35 Venemo: But no way of making the default media player do that, short of spending forever sorting out ID3? Nov 30 19:27:41 http://qt.nokia.com/products/qt-addons/mobility Nov 30 19:27:43 1.1.0 Nov 30 19:27:57 RST38h, gotcold/flu type stuff with sore throat, son turned 16 today, having to talk when i feel like crap etc Nov 30 19:28:07 CableTwitch: nope Nov 30 19:28:23 CableTwitch: but I have my music with sorted ID3, so I never cared about the issue Nov 30 19:28:44 CableTwitch: there is a nice Windows app I found sometime ago that lets you sort out ID3 tags per folders Nov 30 19:28:46 Yay. Nov 30 19:28:49 lcuk: lie low. Nov 30 19:29:08 lcuk, your son is 16? Nov 30 19:30:05 ooo looks like the new qtcreator 2.1 RC has more maemo support! yay! Nov 30 19:30:17 NooBmonk3y: in what sense? Nov 30 19:30:27 Maemo Target Nov 30 19:30:28 * Improved support for Debian packaging: Nov 30 19:30:28 - Automatic creation of Debian files in project directory Nov 30 19:30:28 - Debian files adaptable by users Nov 30 19:30:33 * Deployment information is taken from .pro file's INSTALLS variable Nov 30 19:30:33 * Support for "subdirs" and library project types Nov 30 19:30:38 * Projects created by mobile wizards are now usable for Maemo development Nov 30 19:30:38 * Fremantle: Support for exporting host directories to the device Nov 30 19:30:43 hm, a fresh n900 is indeed really fast, good i made the remake of the system :) Nov 30 19:31:12 * NooBmonk3y thinks i should dload that version ;) Nov 30 19:31:34 NooBmonk3y: sounds good Nov 30 19:31:38 yeah :) Nov 30 19:31:46 and RC means thats the pretty much final v yay! Nov 30 19:32:22 oh hold on Nov 30 19:32:33 qt creator, or nokia qt sdk Nov 30 19:32:37 different things? Nov 30 19:32:46 yes Nov 30 19:33:01 meh, me using Qt Creator 2.0.1 Nov 30 19:33:24 last time I tried their prerelease it was utter crap, so I'm sticking to stable ones now Nov 30 19:33:41 lol Nov 30 19:33:46 RC will be the stable version though Nov 30 19:33:49 as they wont change it :P Nov 30 19:34:02 lol Nov 30 19:34:50 hmmm bin file meh Nov 30 19:35:01 ok guys, I'd need someone who knows Linux well Nov 30 19:35:23 I have a problem with my PATH variable on my desktop Nov 30 19:36:03 I added /home/Timur/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/ to PATH for the 'mad' command to work Nov 30 19:36:43 but now the archive manager fails to open .deb files because this directory contains a dpkg-deb executable too Nov 30 19:36:57 and the two are ambiguous, and the wrong one is called :( Nov 30 19:39:09 :| Nov 30 19:41:43 moment, I'll log in and out Nov 30 19:44:47 hi again Nov 30 19:46:37 Venemo, use first one is called Nov 30 19:46:52 so you should set PATH=$PATH:/home/Timur/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/ Nov 30 19:47:00 instead of other one around Nov 30 19:47:57 steinex: yeah, that was it Nov 30 19:48:28 steinex: I made a script with 'export PATH=$PATH:/home/Timur/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/' and put it into /etc/profile.d/ Nov 30 19:48:39 ooo wow Nov 30 19:48:47 new qtcreator fails but is great lol Nov 30 19:48:52 steinex: the problem is, it did try to open dpkg-deb from that place instead of the other Nov 30 19:48:57 can edit control, change files etc all from within Nov 30 19:49:01 NooBmonk3y: why fails? Nov 30 19:49:26 Packaging Error: Command 'dpkg-buildpackage -nc -uc -us' failed.Exit code: 13 - when i try to prun, even though it builds fine Nov 30 19:49:36 s/prun/run/ Nov 30 19:49:37 NooBmonk3y meant: Packaging Error: Command 'dpkg-buildpackage -nc -uc -us' failed.Exit code: 13 - when i try to run, even though it builds fine Nov 30 19:49:47 interesting Nov 30 19:49:52 anyway, I'm off to eat something Nov 30 19:49:58 will be back soon Nov 30 19:50:10 good evening MohammadAG :) Nov 30 19:50:38 NooBmonk3y: keep me posted about the stuff, I'd like to know what the solution is Nov 30 19:50:55 NooBmonk3y: maybe MohammadAG can help :) Nov 30 19:50:55 yeah Nov 30 19:51:00 working my way through ;) Nov 30 19:51:02 does look good though Nov 30 19:52:39 znc back, yay Nov 30 19:52:55 brb Nov 30 19:53:47 wb MohammadAG Nov 30 19:59:17 Anyway to get mad-developer to run a certain USB config on boot of the N900? Nov 30 20:01:43 moin Nov 30 20:11:45 can somebody on stock kernel post their /etc/pmconfig Nov 30 20:13:07 MohammadAG, lcuk and new qtcreator = http://gitorious.org/healthcheck/healthcheckv3/trees/master ooOoooo Nov 30 20:14:30 finally :P Nov 30 20:14:45 MohammadAG, it's not fully up but kinda Nov 30 20:15:04 still, a proper git page is the way to go :) Nov 30 20:15:18 what new Qt Creator btw? Nov 30 20:15:20 :P Nov 30 20:15:28 no idea how i did it!!! Nov 30 20:22:36 fuck Nov 30 20:22:53 * trumee anybody happy to pastebin /etc/pmconfig from stock kernel? Nov 30 20:22:55 2.1 Nov 30 20:22:58 I dd'd the tar.bz2 of meego, forgot to extract it Nov 30 20:24:09 Venemo, figured out why it is erroring ;) Nov 30 20:24:18 which explains why i move the files out to package ;) Nov 30 20:24:32 rules file is not executable ;) Nov 30 20:24:54 good by git setup i feel lol Nov 30 20:26:31 * MohammadAG wonders how to read line 3 of a file with C++ :P Nov 30 20:26:53 * MohammadAG reads QFile's docs again Nov 30 20:27:37 MohammadAG, scream at it long enough, will soon work ;) Nov 30 20:27:49 NooBmonk3y, still failing? Nov 30 20:28:16 mece, erm, kinda, decided to move to new qtcreator, making packaging easier ish lol - as it is all within qtcreator :) Nov 30 20:28:21 but... having a few issues with it Nov 30 20:28:44 Can't exec "debian/rules": Permission denied at /home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/dpkg-buildpackage line 474. even though i have set it as executable Nov 30 20:28:50 well you know you can move it to scratchbox and compile there if you want... Nov 30 20:29:44 * NooBmonk3y grumbles Nov 30 20:29:51 anyway it worked in scratchbox for venemo Nov 30 20:33:09 hrm... good news: beer is 30% off at my local grocery store (along with everything but hard liquor, but i have priorities)... bad news: the sale is because they're closing Nov 30 20:34:15 NooBmonk3y, debian/rules is executable, line 474 in it, isn't Nov 30 20:34:20 or.. not Nov 30 20:34:22 nevermind Nov 30 20:34:34 yup Nov 30 20:34:37 Can't exec "debian/rules": Permission denied at /home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/dpkg-buildpackage line 474. Nov 30 20:34:37 Packaging Error: Command 'dpkg-buildpackage -nc -uc -us' failed.Exit code: 13 Nov 30 20:35:33 NooBmonk3y, what is on line 474? Nov 30 20:35:47 if only there was someone with skills to open a file using QFile and read to a specific line Nov 30 20:35:58 but I dont know anyone who is examining such a problem Nov 30 20:36:02 * lcuk pokes MohammadAG Nov 30 20:36:30 cant you use a readline kinda command? Nov 30 20:36:35 count, and if 3... erm it works? Nov 30 20:37:39 NooBmonk3y, nah, it's line 474 of dpkg-buildpackage Nov 30 20:37:42 cc lcuk :P Nov 30 20:37:51 MohammadAG, ? Nov 30 20:38:05 NooBmonk3y, what is on line 474? Nov 30 20:38:15 line 474 of this file::: /home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/dpkg-buildpackage Nov 30 20:38:17 dpkg-buildpackage is a perl script I think Nov 30 20:38:29 then you will know what its trying (and failing) to run Nov 30 20:38:36 oh ok Nov 30 20:38:42 ty translator lcuk Nov 30 20:39:12 it tries to execute debian/rules Nov 30 20:39:15 chmod +x it Nov 30 20:40:15 MohammadAG, have Nov 30 20:40:40 if i double click, it asks me if i want to run it Nov 30 20:40:43 so it is exec'able Nov 30 20:40:48 oh Nov 30 20:40:59 exactly :p Nov 30 20:41:05 * NooBmonk3y 's dumbass problems strike again! Nov 30 20:41:16 * MohammadAG hates madde Nov 30 20:41:52 lol Nov 30 20:49:17 Composed some screenshots: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/index.html Nov 30 20:49:25 That's how bored I am right now ^.^ Nov 30 20:49:50 hey again Nov 30 20:49:55 Aloha Nov 30 20:50:02 NooBmonk3y: how's Healthcheck? Nov 30 20:50:27 Wohooooooooooooo Nov 30 20:50:33 just got it to run in the new qtcreator Nov 30 20:50:47 ok... so now Nov 30 20:50:51 what was the solution? Nov 30 20:51:09 it had old folder names from the non-exec external hdd in it Nov 30 20:51:14 had to go through and remove them all Nov 30 20:51:47 so i now have a nice neat build folder created by qtcreator Nov 30 20:51:55 with no compat file, but i can sort that Nov 30 20:52:24 ooo its there Nov 30 20:52:25 gd gd Nov 30 20:52:35 * trumee funny enabling/disabling the speaker while on a phone call doesnt change the cpu usage in Power Kernel. It remains always high. Power Kernel is heavily broken. Nov 30 20:54:26 moved it to the autobuilder, not holding out any hope and expecting the previous errors Nov 30 20:54:48 lcuk: have I told you about my new app idea? Nov 30 20:55:19 Venemo, an app that builds itself? ;) Nov 30 20:55:42 I'm gonna make a jigsaw puzzle app Nov 30 20:56:12 cool! Nov 30 20:56:25 it'll open an image from the device which the user specifies, then it'll slice up the image and scramble the pieces Nov 30 20:56:31 Venemo, ! Nov 30 20:56:36 at least it is cleaner now ;) https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/healthcheck_2.9.1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt Nov 30 20:57:24 NooBmonk3y: what happens if you add libqtm-sensors to the build-depends section of the control file? Nov 30 20:58:07 Depends: libqtm-sensors, libqtm-multimedia, libqtm-systeminfo Nov 30 20:58:12 thats what it is Nov 30 20:58:15 oh buil- Nov 30 20:58:17 lol i cant read Nov 30 20:58:19 u where right Nov 30 20:58:22 will try Nov 30 20:58:53 NooBmonk3y: I'm just guessing here, but it may help Nov 30 20:58:58 NooBmonk3y: otherwise poke X-Fade Nov 30 20:58:59 trying ;) Nov 30 20:59:02 guessing is good! Nov 30 20:59:14 * NooBmonk3y will poke x-fade repeatedly..... (urghhhhhh) Nov 30 21:00:56 LOLWTF Nov 30 21:01:03 # [extras-builds] [fremantle]: bluetooth-coffeemaker 0.1.0-5 OK Maemo Extras Builder Nov 30 21:01:03 # [extras-builds] [fremantle]: healthcheck 2.9.1 FAILED Maemo Extras Builder Nov 30 21:01:35 http://lurkmore.ru/images/9/99/Sap1.jpg Nov 30 21:05:09 Venemo, unfortunatley, didnt work ;( https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/healthcheck_2.9.1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt Nov 30 21:05:51 X-Fade Ping Nov 30 21:06:06 MohammadAG, ? Nov 30 21:06:31 MohammadAG, you mean the coffeemaker? Nov 30 21:06:45 NooBmonk3y: add libqtm-dev to build-deps Nov 30 21:06:52 NooBmonk3y: What can I help the n00b with? :) Nov 30 21:07:01 X-Fade, yay!!! Nov 30 21:07:11 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/healthcheck_2.9.1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt Nov 30 21:07:42 control file - http://pastebin.com/tC8XM9td Nov 30 21:07:48 nah, goodbye guys :) Nov 30 21:07:50 NooBmonk3y: Missing build-depends. Nov 30 21:08:00 :| Nov 30 21:08:04 ciao Ven Nov 30 21:08:09 Kaadlajk, was in there ;) Nov 30 21:08:20 Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev, libqtm-dev, libqtm-sensors Nov 30 21:08:48 (libqtm-sensors was just added as a guess, failes without it too) Nov 30 21:09:11 wicked :p Nov 30 21:09:16 someone packaged iodine :) Nov 30 21:10:02 X-Fade, any hints as to which? :| Nov 30 21:10:15 good morning Nov 30 21:10:20 morning Termana Nov 30 21:10:33 cannot find -lQtSensors confuses me! Nov 30 21:10:45 NooBmonk3y: Does that qtm version even support sensors? Nov 30 21:10:49 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk-tools_free_armel/libqtm-dev/1.0.2-maemo1/ Nov 30 21:10:56 Don't see sensors listed there. Nov 30 21:10:57 well, works on my n900 lol Nov 30 21:11:21 random Nov 30 21:12:41 good point though Nov 30 21:13:17 X-Fade, why would it work on my device, when testing though? :| Nov 30 21:13:22 if it doesnt exist? Nov 30 21:13:57 sensors are supported as of 1.3 afaik Nov 30 21:14:09 I saw a lib that polls the sysnode Nov 30 21:14:33 MohammadAG, 1.1 i think Nov 30 21:14:37 thought* Nov 30 21:14:45 but still works on my device lol Nov 30 21:15:01 PR1.3 ;) Nov 30 21:15:06 oh ok Nov 30 21:15:09 that makes sense Nov 30 21:15:16 NooBmonk3y: Check what makes it build on your scratchbox then ;) Nov 30 21:15:17 but as X-Fade says... doesnt seem to be in the package Nov 30 21:15:25 * NooBmonk3y doesnt have a scratchbox :( Nov 30 21:15:37 NooBmonk3y: How did you build the app then? Nov 30 21:15:42 qt creator Nov 30 21:15:46 build -> run on device Nov 30 21:16:06 Ah, that thing has everything ... kitchen sink included. Nov 30 21:16:15 interestingly, the code built on venemos scratchbox earlier Nov 30 21:16:56 NooBmonk3y: You might want to try #qt-maemo or what as the channel called. Nov 30 21:17:05 lol ty :P Nov 30 21:17:10 never got a response in there will try though :P Nov 30 21:17:24 Hmm ok, not good then. Nov 30 21:17:52 I don't know the dirty details of qtm coding, so I can't help you. Nov 30 21:18:22 lol Nov 30 21:18:25 thank you very much though Nov 30 21:18:25 #qt-mobility is the one true source Nov 30 21:18:31 lcuk, so is bacon Nov 30 21:18:33 make your mind up Nov 30 21:18:47 qt-mobility includes a bacon api. Nov 30 21:18:50 X-Fade, appreciate the help though :) - i allways seem to find problems ;) Nov 30 21:18:53 lcuk, lies Nov 30 21:19:04 libqtbacon-dev package Nov 30 21:19:27 lol! Nov 30 21:19:42 mmmmm libqtbacon-dev :D Nov 30 21:19:44 lcuk, you need libqtGeorgeForeman-Grill-dev to go with it Nov 30 21:19:49 * MohammadAG reads header file Nov 30 21:20:00 lol nahhh i dont Nov 30 21:20:26 NooBmonk3y: that package is severely deprecated and no longer maintained methinks Nov 30 21:20:31 That reminds me, must make a local mirror of the maemo dev reopsitory when I go to my parents this week so I can actually use my auto-builder. Nov 30 21:20:38 lol lint! Nov 30 21:20:43 lol! Nov 30 21:21:12 ieatlint, your'e lurking in qt-maemo! help! lol Nov 30 21:21:23 looking.. Nov 30 21:21:43 * NooBmonk3y forgot the please ;) Nov 30 21:21:46 And libqtBillyMays-advertisements-dev has disappeared Nov 30 21:21:46 pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease Nov 30 21:23:04 Maybe that was some bad humour. Plus they may still run his ads :p Nov 30 21:23:14 * trumee filed a bug, https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=6661&group_id=1528&atid=5521 Nov 30 21:36:06 my LCD has... some kind of black line in it Nov 30 21:36:11 line it has water in it or something Nov 30 21:38:05 MohammadAG: LCDs have a layer of oil inbetween the glass and the backlight diffuser, sometimes the oil concetrates in certain areas and makes artifacts like that. Nov 30 21:38:24 You should send it to care :( Nov 30 21:38:49 there is no care lol Nov 30 21:39:07 And I'm sure I voided my warranty by disassembling it Nov 30 21:42:06 You probably caused it then :P Nov 30 21:42:29 nah Nov 30 21:42:35 I didn't disassemble the screen Nov 30 21:45:43 line it has water in it or something || like* Nov 30 21:59:36 X-Fade, not that i was questioning but i think you found the main issue Nov 30 21:59:53 http://maemo.org/packages/view/libqtm-dev/ does not include http://maemo.org/packages/view/libqtm-sensors/ Nov 30 22:00:10 so by including both would i be getting odd conflicts maybe :| Nov 30 22:01:45 i feel i need to find and speak to this person! http://maemo.org/profile/view/gnuton/ Nov 30 22:08:10 LOL Nov 30 22:08:13 meh #maemo has gone to sleep :( Nov 30 22:08:16 that's a fail really :P Nov 30 22:08:21 ooo apart from MohammadAG ;) Nov 30 22:08:23 fail? Nov 30 22:09:57 i'm awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake Nov 30 22:10:05 yeah, not depending on libqtm-sensors Nov 30 22:10:07 add it to build depends Nov 30 22:10:08 evening kerio :) Nov 30 22:10:15 MohammadAG, ? Nov 30 22:10:16 i have Nov 30 22:10:18 actually i'm going to sleep soon Nov 30 22:10:20 lol Nov 30 22:10:48 20101130T2302+0200 here Nov 30 22:11:00 er Nov 30 22:11:04 20101130T2302+0100 Nov 30 22:11:32 :| Nov 30 22:11:44 LOL! Nov 30 22:11:50 wondered where the build fail was....... Nov 30 22:11:57 Looks like autobuilder has hit december ;) https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-December/thread.html Nov 30 22:12:20 MohammadAG, Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev (>=4), libqtm-dev (>= 1), libqtm-systeminfo (>= 1), libqtm-sensors (>= 1) Nov 30 22:26:19 hi Nov 30 22:27:09 is there a meego sdk? Nov 30 22:29:51 MohammadAG: not yet (that I know of) Nov 30 22:29:57 MohammadAG: ask on #meego Nov 30 22:30:26 also, alterego made a MADDE sysroot for MeeGo Nov 30 22:30:43 and I'm pretty sure some folks have a Scratchbox target for it too Nov 30 22:52:36 alterego: ping Nov 30 22:56:08 meh, nuevasync are quitting their free service Nov 30 22:56:21 now I'm without google calendar syncing. Nov 30 22:56:47 well I guess 15$/year isn't much. Nov 30 22:56:51 but kinda silly Nov 30 23:29:53 good evening guys Nov 30 23:30:00 goodbye Nov 30 23:52:42 just a quick question.. Nov 30 23:53:50 I started of with maemo today...because i wanted to compile "things" to my qemu arm compiled linux...it should be possible to use maemo with such an emulated device, right? (or have I completely misunderstood) Dec 01 01:37:34 can anybody help me out? Dec 01 01:37:40 i get an error while reflashing.. Dec 01 01:37:54 Image 'mmc', size 255947 kB Version RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA FIASCO subimage data length mismatch Dec 01 01:38:00 this is the error Dec 01 02:41:14 pidgin on N900 latest versio n 2.2.7 is not working for me Dec 01 02:41:26 am using msn protocol on it Dec 01 02:41:36 but doesn't seem to work ever! Dec 01 02:46:35 sorry version 2.7.7 Dec 01 02:46:57 it fails to connect to my msn account! Dec 01 02:47:08 Does desktop pidgin work???/ Dec 01 02:47:46 oh come on don'tsay that. Dec 01 02:51:07 SpeedEvil, for me it does Dec 01 02:52:51 I wish i never knew MSN! Dec 01 02:52:57 crappy service. Dec 01 02:57:42 good ol microsoft **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 01 02:59:57 2010