**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 03 03:00:00 2010 Dec 03 03:32:32 grr.... malloc is giving me a sigabrt from a failed assert() when i call a jpeglib function (ie, not my code calling malloc())... and when i try to debug it using valgrind, the problem disappears Dec 03 03:34:58 distribute your program with valgrind? :D Dec 03 03:36:08 http://pupnik.de/Dosbox_0_65__001_N770__ultimaV.jpg the good old days.. Dec 03 03:39:45 ds3: hmm, that might work Dec 03 03:39:53 I miss buttons Dec 03 03:40:56 i think i'm just not doing error handling for libjpeg correctly, heh Dec 03 04:07:07 http://vault.digitalmzx.net/show.php?id=182 Dec 03 04:07:11 these could run on maemo Dec 03 04:21:14 "imgData.h:19: multiple definition of `my_error_exit'" "imgData.h:19: first defined here" ... sometimes c annoys me Dec 03 04:49:16 hiyas Dec 03 05:13:03 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLLEc-Xh068 [ Pied Pipers - "Dream" 1951 ] <<< great great song (from bioshock2 trailer) Dec 03 06:24:07 anyone knows autotools? what is supposed to create m4 directory? Dec 03 06:32:31 Moo, ladies and gentlemen Dec 03 06:33:24 ohai Dec 03 06:35:50 slono: never seen m4 dir created when "using" autotools Dec 03 06:37:35 RST38h: okay, why aclocal wants it to exist? Dec 03 06:38:51 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_%28computer_language%29 Dec 03 06:39:51 crap, germany had the colddddesttest dec 2 in recorded history Dec 03 06:45:22 bah Dec 03 06:45:50 after hours messing with tversity settings I find out it's the n900 wifi power settings that are causing my video to go into buffering fits Dec 03 06:46:00 well, at least I solved it Dec 03 06:48:45 Ahhahaha, the guy who broke htop package committed a fix =) Dec 03 06:49:30 Should probably do the same trick for MidnightCommander when run from desktop Dec 03 06:50:40 uh? htop broken? Dec 03 06:51:04 mc? Dec 03 06:52:21 wel, mc is a bit odd sometimes - yes. Dec 03 06:53:10 esp subshell handling seems borked. Anyway RST38h what exactly are you talking about? Dec 03 06:53:28 with htop,the author uses a little terminal emulator package(rather than xterm) when run in desktop mode Dec 03 06:53:55 this eliminates the virtual keyboard jumping out at you at every opportunity Dec 03 06:53:58 oh Dec 03 06:54:05 same should be done for mc IMHO Dec 03 06:54:05 never noticed Dec 03 06:54:29 subshell stuff never worked properly in mc, forget it Dec 03 07:39:14 Woo! Killer thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66470 :D:D:D Dec 03 07:41:12 how did I know... Dec 03 07:54:51 mece: how was that old quote? The problem is not that God's zoo is big but that the fence is so low. I hope my translation worked :) Dec 03 07:59:48 chx, I have no idea :D But it sounds profane :) Dec 03 08:01:07 mece: it's a subtle way of saying the original poster is an escapee from a lunatic asylum Dec 03 08:01:21 hahaha Dec 03 08:04:07 well, since there are apps like that for other platforms, and they, afaik are very popular, I wouldn't say he/she/it is crazy at all. Seems maemites are rather prude though. Dec 03 08:04:48 mece: nokia sold like 5 n900s Dec 03 08:05:02 kerio, beside the point. Dec 03 08:05:21 kerio, as I said in my post, you have to use an existing service Dec 03 08:05:46 wait, did I say that in my post Dec 03 08:05:47 ? Dec 03 08:05:48 hm Dec 03 08:05:55 ooh well. Dec 03 08:23:06 gn Dec 03 08:23:20 LMFAO @ sex app request Dec 03 08:45:02 lol, guineas Dec 03 08:54:18 Sex App request - That thread is epic. Dec 03 08:55:07 I'll develop it, only if kiddie porn is allowed. Dec 03 08:56:05 what about ponies? Dec 03 09:16:28 Hehe, they finally closed down wikileaks.org Dec 03 09:16:48 LMAO @ not checking what's already there, plus no brain for thinking about how such a *service* has to work to fly. There's NO app for that on maemo/meego, and never will. The app's name is browser Dec 03 09:17:01 WUT? Dec 03 09:17:44 RST38h: wat Dec 03 09:18:03 DocScrutinizer, porn websites Dec 03 09:18:08 RST38h: http://46.59.1.2 looks quite up to me. Dec 03 09:18:37 RST38h: you're sure it's not just homeland security idiots poisoning US DNS infra? Dec 03 09:18:49 RST38h: i BET within a day there will be another "freedom fighter" who will support these... people. Dec 03 09:19:11 I am a journalist or was like ten years ago and i am very torn over what wikileaks is doing Dec 03 09:19:44 see http://wikileaks.info/ Dec 03 09:19:53 chx: i can only say "U JELLY" Dec 03 09:20:31 i am not jealous why would i be? Dec 03 09:20:32 what is wikileaks? Dec 03 09:20:44 MohammadAG, popular porn site Dec 03 09:20:55 uhuh Dec 03 09:21:09 I have grown up in a country behind the iron courtain so i kind of have some idea what it is to live in a police state Dec 03 09:21:16 MohammadAG: a bunch of epic trolls releasing top secret documents for teh lulz Dec 03 09:21:26 and unedited dump of all these cables probably put a few people lives in real danger Dec 03 09:21:32 cool Dec 03 09:21:38 chx, meh Dec 03 09:21:40 :p Dec 03 09:21:52 chx: the war logs *were* edited Dec 03 09:21:58 chx: ack Dec 03 09:22:02 wrt cablegate... meh Dec 03 09:22:08 where do I leak stuff? i have an N9... oops Dec 03 09:22:19 hmmmm download stats not been updated since 30th of november Dec 03 09:22:23 chx: aiui those wren't dumped yet completely Dec 03 09:22:25 and im 12k from a million downloads! Dec 03 09:22:29 MohammadAG: is it made of rainbows? Dec 03 09:22:49 frals: a million dls of what? Dec 03 09:23:00 chx, fmms Dec 03 09:23:07 trouts Dec 03 09:23:12 that too Dec 03 09:23:14 makesex Dec 03 09:23:19 makesex!!!! Dec 03 09:23:27 ~trout frals Dec 03 09:23:27 frals: Makefile not found. Dec 03 09:23:27 * infobot slaps frals around a bit with a large trout! Dec 03 09:23:30 man that should be the name of the app Dec 03 09:23:55 makesexnotwar Dec 03 09:24:22 fsck fsck fsck Dec 03 09:24:42 please use -F option Dec 03 09:26:08 ok, make that -a, to automatically fix using fsck Dec 03 09:26:37 fMMS? Dec 03 09:26:46 you mean... people still send MMS?????? Dec 03 09:27:00 mhm Dec 03 09:27:01 wow Dec 03 09:27:14 some do, somewhere Dec 03 09:27:22 not here in Germany though Dec 03 09:27:42 same epic fail like WAP Dec 03 09:28:07 frals is convinced they do Dec 03 09:28:07 and PTT Dec 03 09:28:17 i've *never* seen someone send a mms Dec 03 09:29:48 me and whoever has been involved in the 1million downloads, i guess Dec 03 09:29:49 I one time in my life sent a MMS for birthday greetings. Bro this guy was pissed, bitching at me I messed up his phone Dec 03 09:29:58 I've sent a lot of mms' Dec 03 09:30:22 kerio: I received about 4-6 since implementation of the service... and sent one... Dec 03 09:31:16 DocScrutinizer: hahah what Dec 03 09:31:31 frals: I downloaded it as a friend wanted to send me a picture of herself so I did say "hold on a minute" Dec 03 09:31:46 MMS...meh Dec 03 09:31:47 hello! Dec 03 09:31:54 cibirto33: hi Dec 03 09:32:30 * RST38h expresses hope that most of the people who came up with MMS-related standards are now jobless Dec 03 09:32:42 chem|st: pics or it didn't happen Dec 03 09:32:53 particularly that pic Dec 03 09:33:21 basically MMS is as useless as GSM video calls, or a N900 find-sex app. You never find any peer with a properly equipped device Dec 03 09:33:50 push to talk would be so useful but got never implemented in europe, and you know US people over here by seeing them talking on the von as they hold it like a walkietalkie and entertain there surrounding with rubish drunken talk Dec 03 09:33:50 n900s are devices to play with yourself Dec 03 09:34:23 kerio: wrong formfactor Dec 03 09:34:30 we *have* a push to talk protocol that's easy to use Dec 03 09:34:36 it's called ham radio Dec 03 09:34:41 kerio: it was a picture of her in her car, she wanted me to comment on her new haircut Dec 03 09:34:43 is it possible to completely remove skype from the N900? Dec 03 09:34:52 kerio, now I'm hungry. want a ham sandwich. Dec 03 09:35:35 cibirto33: yes but whats the matter with it? Dec 03 09:35:42 cibirto33, you can remove the plugin Dec 03 09:36:03 osso-accounts-plugin-skype Dec 03 09:36:09 mece: ok thanks :) Dec 03 09:36:27 cibirto33: still interessted in what the matter is! Dec 03 09:36:34 and maybe rtcom-abook-skype-plugin Dec 03 09:36:39 chem|st: try to strip down the whole stuff Dec 03 09:36:58 cibirto33: strip down for what? Dec 03 09:37:00 cibirto33, actually just do dpkg -l *skype* and remove all those :D Dec 03 09:37:13 mece: thanks Dec 03 09:37:15 starting with nuking skype is a reasonable thought, for sure Dec 03 09:37:34 cibirto33, I haven't tried this though. fyi. Dec 03 09:37:42 chem|st: I want to have only some trusted apps on the device... Dec 03 09:37:56 good point Dec 03 09:38:19 cibirto33: k, what do you mean by trusted Dec 03 09:38:25 skype definitely is category "proven non-trustworthy" Dec 03 09:38:51 chem|st: apps that I can control :) Dec 03 09:38:56 DocScrutinizer: so is everything but jabber Dec 03 09:39:02 cibirto33: good luck using your n900 without bme or firmwares Dec 03 09:39:03 chem|st: whatever it means, skype doesn't match Dec 03 09:39:10 DocScrutinizer: true Dec 03 09:39:26 kerio: good point Dec 03 09:39:39 cibirto33, run meego! fully open source :) Dec 03 09:39:44 although a N900 with no bme is better, imo Dec 03 09:39:47 kerio: right... but well, if you can control every data channel that's enough for me Dec 03 09:39:58 mece: i thought the handset UX was proprietary Dec 03 09:39:59 mece: this is in my 'to try list' Dec 03 09:40:04 who gives a f* for bme :-P Dec 03 09:40:05 kerio, no Dec 03 09:40:19 cool Dec 03 09:40:21 bme is so ... obsolete X-P Dec 03 09:40:30 then why can't i apt-get install meego-handset yet? Dec 03 09:40:50 is meego on n900 now usable Dec 03 09:40:55 no Dec 03 09:40:57 hahaha Dec 03 09:41:06 like can I make calls, send sms, and do some stuff? Dec 03 09:41:12 or is it just a developer toy Dec 03 09:41:46 Gh0sty, yes you can.. somewhat. But it's just for developers, and not really a toy, since it's not really fun. Dec 03 09:41:57 ack Dec 03 09:41:57 hehe Dec 03 09:42:20 why isnt it fun? :p Dec 03 09:42:43 probably depends on your definition of fun Dec 03 09:42:43 kerio, (11:31:58 AM) mece: Stskeeps, is everything open source in meego handset? Dec 03 09:42:43 (11:32:00 AM) mece: arm Dec 03 09:42:44 (11:33:12 AM) Stskeeps: well, if we tell apart the meego part and the hardware adaptation, then yes Dec 03 09:42:44 (11:33:26 AM) Stskeeps: yes, some of the artwork is restricted if you're not meego compliant though -- same with other distros Dec 03 09:42:44 Gh0sty: so nope no fun not usable just for testing Dec 03 09:43:32 Gh0sty, well mostly it's kinda slow Dec 03 09:43:41 mece: there was a suggestion to get the non-free out of meego artwork asap Dec 03 09:44:31 chem|st: don't ask how many nice suggestions regarding meego went unnoticed Dec 03 09:44:33 and probably more battery hungry ? Dec 03 09:44:37 or is that still ok ? Dec 03 09:44:53 Gh0sty, it's a pocketwarmer Dec 03 09:45:03 Gh0sty: no charging with the 1.1 kernel and what mece said Dec 03 09:45:31 Gh0sty: it will take a looong time til usability of meego will be someway near maemo Dec 03 09:45:49 but is progress on maemo still going on? Dec 03 09:45:58 that said, it's very simple to try out if you have an sd card, so go ahead, see for yourself. Dec 03 09:46:10 I kinda start to like maemo in its current form ... except for the phone screen Dec 03 09:46:16 again depends on your definition of progress Dec 03 09:46:26 hate it that you cannot look at an sms directly from the phone screen Dec 03 09:46:36 thats my only real annoyance ... Dec 03 09:46:40 Gh0sty, ?? Dec 03 09:46:45 Gh0sty: I installed it, ran it till I was out of battery... back to maemo... same with nitdroid... (and that damn ba5tard is like calling *.google.* all day long) Dec 03 09:47:08 Gh0sty: annoyance is the closed source state of dialer, contacts, calendar, et al Dec 03 09:47:22 Gh0sty, well you can see the sms in the.. wtf is it called the screen where you see the running apps?? Dec 03 09:47:27 yes and that calendar sync i was mentioning yesterday Dec 03 09:47:40 really thinking to just drop my money to nuevasync Dec 03 09:47:51 since its the only way to get my google calendar to sync :/ Dec 03 09:47:54 which is too bad Dec 03 09:48:11 what's nuevasync? Dec 03 09:48:25 mece: taskswitcher Dec 03 09:48:28 I currently use syncevolution with evolution on my laptop, but I still have duplicates stuff way to often Dec 03 09:48:29 Gh0sty: tell me one phone not being one or two taps clicks away from new sms, and there is the conversation widget showing msgs on your home screen Dec 03 09:48:59 chem|st: my E65 had a quick link on my homescreen to calendar and sms Dec 03 09:49:22 Gh0sty: so I have on n900 o_O Dec 03 09:49:23 on n900 its *leave phone screen* -> click calendar or sms ... Dec 03 09:49:25 and you don't manage to do that with maemo? Dec 03 09:49:45 on the phone screen you cant make links Dec 03 09:49:46 Gh0sty, just put it on your desktop! Dec 03 09:49:53 Gh0sty: why the hell would be phonescreen my base view? Dec 03 09:49:57 Gh0sty, what are you on about? Dec 03 09:50:09 ooh Dec 03 09:50:17 are we talking about the phone dialer app? Dec 03 09:50:24 yes i guess Dec 03 09:50:29 I never use that Dec 03 09:50:30 not sure if thats the name for that screen Dec 03 09:50:42 you dont make calls? :p Dec 03 09:50:52 well ok if I make a call to an unknown number, which is like once a week. Dec 03 09:51:45 btw how much guys actually lock their n900 here with a code Dec 03 09:52:00 why? Dec 03 09:52:05 typing the code to unlock with 1 hand without a portrait view is terrible Dec 03 09:52:06 Gh0sty: it is not a screen it is an application-frontend to the phone and I do not know any phone of mine I could go directly to sms while on a call or even while dialing, or do you mean use number to send new sms? Dec 03 09:52:11 how much times i mistyped ... :p Dec 03 09:52:48 Gh0sty: ack Dec 03 09:52:51 well you CAN send sms from the receive call screen :) Dec 03 09:53:03 chem|st: for example yesterday I got a call from a customer and wanted to forward that number via sms to a colleague Dec 03 09:53:14 Gh0sty: needs a bit of practice but I manage to controle the phone one handed even with kbd-slide open Dec 03 09:53:18 I did not find a better way then to save the number to a new contact Dec 03 09:53:23 go to the new contact Dec 03 09:53:27 edit the contact Dec 03 09:53:30 copy the number Dec 03 09:53:33 paste it in new sms Dec 03 09:53:44 mece: you mean call history? Dec 03 09:53:53 DocScrutinizer, no. Dec 03 09:54:27 which is -admitted- not a daily practice Dec 03 09:54:40 Gh0sty, well, you don't have to add contact. Just do this: Dec 03 09:54:53 Gh0sty: that for sure sounds clumsy and there's a better way to do that Dec 03 09:55:05 well enlighten me then :p Dec 03 09:55:12 it was the first thing I could figure out :p Dec 03 09:55:17 click-hold on number -> new contact -> select and copy number -> click outside new contact dialogue. Dec 03 09:56:13 Gh0sty, ok it's 3 steps but still pretty quick. a "copy number" in the long press menu would be nicer, I agree. Dec 03 09:56:21 sorry, I don't get what exactly you want to do Dec 03 09:56:40 DocScrutinizer: copy number from recent calls to sms Dec 03 09:57:02 recent calls? that IS call history, no? Dec 03 09:57:04 Gh0sty: that is about the same what I needed to do on any other phone Dec 03 09:57:08 DocScrutinizer: yes Dec 03 09:57:11 DocScrutinizer, yes Dec 03 09:57:34 call history -> click on number -> click on "send text message" -> done Dec 03 09:57:57 DocScrutinizer, that sends a text TO that number, he wanted to send the number AS a text. To someone else. Dec 03 09:58:08 ooh Dec 03 09:58:08 chem|st: in the new contact you still need to use ctrl-c because there copy option is not present on the touchscreen (even with long press) Dec 03 09:58:50 but ok I could have skipped the step of saving the contact Dec 03 09:59:12 but there ought to be better ways Dec 03 09:59:12 yes, dialogs viewer needs a text edit where you can mark and copy text Dec 03 09:59:16 Gh0sty: fo fsck sake use both hands Dec 03 09:59:30 Gh0sty, ok heh, well I can see that it's not very comfy, and pretty much impossible with just one hand. Dec 03 09:59:30 on the long click menu they should have made the option like "send this number" Dec 03 09:59:39 mece: btw how do I add recipients to an active conversation Dec 03 10:00:03 but what is it Dec 03 10:00:18 actually the whole phone screen (or dialer app as you call it) is closed? Dec 03 10:00:36 so its impossible for everyone except a nokia dev to change any of it? Dec 03 10:01:03 kind of yes Dec 03 10:01:38 well, in contacts there should be an option "send as vcard SMS" Dec 03 10:02:06 it's not existent for unknown numbers in call history Dec 03 10:02:06 yes but then you already need the contact saved :p Dec 03 10:02:12 yes Dec 03 10:02:19 which makes kinda sense Dec 03 10:02:20 and vcards is something "simple" phones dont understand Dec 03 10:02:36 hmm, it's a plain text format Dec 03 10:02:43 not that there are much people out there that I know which have an old brick phone Dec 03 10:02:49 Gh0sty: sms vcards are some kind of standardized Dec 03 10:03:04 in the past at least I had some people complain when i sent vcard they got garbeled text Dec 03 10:03:28 Gh0sty: and phone which arent able to save it directly show is as normal sms Dec 03 10:04:04 Gh0sty: garbled... those people arent used to chars lik {[]}<> Dec 03 10:04:11 oh and about nuevasync: Dec 03 10:04:47 I use google calendar and to sync that with n900 calendar using mail for exchange it does not work directly Dec 03 10:05:00 so I took a free account at nuevasync to sync it Dec 03 10:05:01 ok, we all agree the default dialer/pim apps are closed source and crap and Nokia insists they remain crap, for "differentiation". My 1999 Nokia 6210 had a "select and copy numbers" option on SMS viewer Dec 03 10:05:03 that works fine Dec 03 10:05:10 but they now suspend the free service Dec 03 10:05:20 so I gotta pay or find an alternative Dec 03 10:05:58 just received a mail yesterday that the free service stops in 5 days :x Dec 03 10:06:05 honestly, I never got the rationale behind this differentiation argument Dec 03 10:06:35 what I dont understand is why they nowhere involve some good designers ... Dec 03 10:06:37 DocScrutinizer: is there one? Dec 03 10:06:53 sure Dec 03 10:07:03 Gh0sty: they do but let them only work on transitions Dec 03 10:07:04 I'm not a designer ... far from it but some things look logically missing in my pov Dec 03 10:07:47 is there also a serious article about battery savings? Dec 03 10:07:56 when you start googling and ready around Dec 03 10:07:59 Kostenlose mini Homepages für Umfragen, Videos und vielem mehr auf www.beerpages.de - Beispiel: http://www.beerpages.de/view/1P/Magst%20du%20%C3%84pfel%3F Dec 03 10:08:20 wtf Dec 03 10:08:27 there are settings like swapiness and stuff, then some people claim it does a lot ... now I don't feel it much different ... Dec 03 10:08:41 and some claim it could even harm your phone Dec 03 10:08:47 Gh0sty: do you know what swapiness does? Dec 03 10:08:51 yes Dec 03 10:09:08 /dopm Dec 03 10:09:09 but I don't understand why a phone compared to a server could get harmed by changing it :p Dec 03 10:10:03 but as far as i understand from other threads the memory on the n900 is somewhat limited so it tends to swap fast Dec 03 10:10:27 it is more like we recommend to leave your fingers of stuff you do not understand as you may do things to your device bricking melting exploding it Dec 03 10:11:18 :P Dec 03 10:12:06 yes thats why I look around ... I am a sysadmin and do understand most stuff but not really that familiar with low profile hardware like n900 Dec 03 10:12:08 the point in high swappiness is to have the active program running smooth which makes changes slow Dec 03 10:13:29 I have 30% free ram most of the time with the std swappiness settings, and I think why swap if ther is still plenty of ram? Dec 03 10:14:03 chemist: that is a bit different from what you describe Dec 03 10:14:33 chemist: High swappiness leads to more memory available to NEW applications being started Dec 03 10:14:41 So, your applications start up faster Dec 03 10:15:00 or allocates ram faster (malloc() ) Dec 03 10:15:13 Your running applications may run slower / choppier, if your swap performs badly (like in N900) Dec 03 10:15:40 RST38h: oh yeah in my head I included starting programs but didn''t write it ;) Dec 03 10:15:51 Lower swappiness effectively makes app startup or memory allocation slower, but will keep running apps in memory, so they run smoothly Dec 03 10:16:12 except when doing malloc() Dec 03 10:16:18 On PCs, you can keep it at 100%, their disks are fast enough to support swappiness Dec 03 10:16:40 On N900, 30% feels like the right balance Dec 03 10:17:04 You can even set it to 0% and it won't kill you, just increase app startup times Dec 03 10:17:13 oh just some stupid idea of mine ... is it possible to divide the storage space you see as mass storage in 2 parts? Dec 03 10:17:23 and running app maloc() delays Dec 03 10:17:31 i'd like 1 fat32 of 4G Dec 03 10:17:40 and the rest xfs or ext or something Dec 03 10:18:00 cause it sucks to have to store DVD images in 2 parts due to the crappy fat limits :p Dec 03 10:18:12 Gh0sty: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Dec 03 10:18:18 which would be the better choice ... xfs? :p Dec 03 10:18:19 change size of /home Dec 03 10:19:04 Gh0sty: lol you jsut need to write the right fat... I store 7.4GB dvds on my usbsticks vfat 8GB stick Dec 03 10:20:22 chem|st: well, recorder .wav files stalled at 2GB for me, on MyDocs Dec 03 10:20:43 once I had a 500GB external hdd with a few fat partitions all not able to write beyond 2GB... Dec 03 10:21:07 DocScrutinizer: yeah you need to format it your own I guess, not tried on N900 yet Dec 03 10:21:23 nfc Dec 03 10:21:37 maybe recorder sucks, maybe MyDocs fs sucks Dec 03 10:21:41 not my hdd btw, just had to put some movies on it Dec 03 10:21:56 DocScrutinizer: both in the limits ;) Dec 03 10:23:16 maybe even .wav format sucks X-P Dec 03 10:23:50 but I don't think so. .wav has no length limits I'd know of Dec 03 10:27:10 ha cool Dec 03 10:27:31 that dbus call for disabling the gsm radio is now also on the wiki Dec 03 10:27:35 splendid :) Dec 03 10:31:22 * DocScrutinizer puts new hack on wiki: echo loser >x; cat x >>x Dec 03 10:31:44 add an infinite loop...... Dec 03 10:31:53 o.O Dec 03 10:32:03 another one? Dec 03 10:32:20 DocScrutinizer: this one did not work Dec 03 10:32:35 DocScrutinizer: It's been very very long ago that cat allowed this Dec 03 10:32:38 hmm, it doesn't? Dec 03 10:32:43 cat: x: input file is output file Dec 03 10:32:44 ooh Dec 03 10:32:51 i tried it on desktop Dec 03 10:32:54 not on the n900 Dec 03 10:32:59 but i cant imagine it being otehrwise Dec 03 10:33:29 ok, make that cat x | cat >>x Dec 03 10:33:41 teee heeee Dec 03 10:34:23 i am not sure of that either Dec 03 10:34:42 wouldnt cat x read the first block , find an eof, finish and the write happen after? Dec 03 10:34:43 yeah, buffer size Dec 03 10:34:57 you need something like tail -F Dec 03 10:35:12 eh -f Dec 03 10:35:35 -F is ok too Dec 03 10:38:06 sécuado. Dec 03 10:38:07 well, I seem to remember a cat y x >>x once 'worked' for me Dec 03 10:40:50 funny, cat got smarter Dec 03 10:43:03 it's not cat, it's your shell Dec 03 10:44:20 (and tee works fine too) Dec 03 10:44:23 or sponge Dec 03 10:44:34 (in moreutils) Dec 03 11:05:13 Hello Dec 03 11:05:27 Is there ANY way to get spotify offline on the N900? I have premium Dec 03 11:06:54 long answer short, no. Dec 03 11:07:03 bah Dec 03 11:07:19 I should never have given away my N97 mini to my gf Dec 03 11:07:25 It was great as a mp3 player Dec 03 11:07:26 Cool that makes somehow nearly 800 n9hundrets Dec 03 11:08:18 ... Someone told me after myquestion not evryone but most got 2 n900 ..! Dec 03 11:08:21 Annoying that none of the open-source clients supports offline Dec 03 11:08:59 One n900 is exciting enough forme ..! Dec 03 11:09:51 And atlast igot holymoly internet again ... Dec 03 11:11:07 So im here and ihave some questions already that are specific enough to ask them in this channel ithink ... Dec 03 11:12:47 fladnag: welcome! Dec 03 11:13:15 Quake3 ... Its running quite well on my n900 but its running with softwarerendering isnt it? Dec 03 11:13:27 Thankyou chemist! Dec 03 11:13:29 lolcat: none of which os-clients? Dec 03 11:13:51 I didn't even know Q3 could run with software rendering. Dec 03 11:13:55 fladnag: I think its qles Dec 03 11:13:59 gles sry Dec 03 11:14:23 alterego: me neither Dec 03 11:15:31 alterego: a usb-hub mouse keyboard and a beamer and we got the smallest game station ;) Dec 03 11:16:06 Heh Dec 03 11:16:52 i have a problem with my updater... it shows 12 apps with updates, all are between 89 and 91mb, when i try to update anything, it downloads all 90-odd mb and says 'update failed', no matter which app i try to update Dec 03 11:16:56 any help with that? Dec 03 11:17:16 Iam atthe dentist cu :) Dec 03 11:18:18 toadpole: ehrm each is 89-91mb? Dec 03 11:18:44 yeah, all around 90 mb, give or take a few hundred kb Dec 03 11:18:55 toadpole: which apps? Dec 03 11:19:30 gimme a sec, i'll pull up the update list Dec 03 11:20:10 toadpole: which firmware are you on? Dec 03 11:20:52 20.2010.36-2 Dec 03 11:21:09 * chem|st thinks calling it firmware is odd but on all other phones you call the OSs you call it firmware Dec 03 11:21:41 toadpole: 12 apps each 90MB sounds odd to me Dec 03 11:21:52 yeah, kinda makes it much less cooler than it actually is :D Dec 03 11:22:08 yeah, i can't find any help in the forums either Dec 03 11:22:20 He gaveme an esthetic and now ihave to wait some minutes bevore he can take the tooth out ... Dec 03 11:22:26 Sooo Dec 03 11:22:37 Guis Dec 03 11:23:16 100 boxes - 90.2 mb Dec 03 11:23:34 auto complete editor 90.0 mb Dec 03 11:23:49 birthday - 89.9 mb Dec 03 11:23:52 toadpole: you messed something up I guess Dec 03 11:24:04 yup, i think i did Dec 03 11:24:19 toadpole: waht did you do lately? Dec 03 11:24:26 Whatdoyouthink ... Quake 3 (maemo5 on n900 ...is it -stock- softwarerendering or with the ogl ? Dec 03 11:24:29 do i need to reflash or is there a factory reset? Dec 03 11:24:40 i installed the maemo update Dec 03 11:24:55 fladnag: as stated above it is gles Dec 03 11:25:11 toadpole: how did you install the update Dec 03 11:25:18 through the app manager Dec 03 11:25:25 toadpole: ok Dec 03 11:25:31 toadpole: have you rebooted yet Dec 03 11:25:38 several times Dec 03 11:25:40 toadpole: nvm Dec 03 11:26:07 you think apt-get update would fix this? Dec 03 11:26:34 toadpole: open up a xterm become root and type "dpkg --clear-avail" Dec 03 11:26:49 whats that do? Dec 03 11:27:34 toadpole: that deletes all package info Dec 03 11:27:46 toadpole: after that "apt-get update" Dec 03 11:28:00 it won't delete installed packages, will it? Dec 03 11:28:17 toadpole: no it cleans out lists only Dec 03 11:28:47 do i need to reboot before apt-get? Dec 03 11:28:51 no Dec 03 11:29:15 you need to have ham closed Dec 03 11:29:24 ~ham Dec 03 11:29:24 hmm... ham is oink oink. Hildon Application Manager. Hazardous Application Manager. Hildon application Manager Ham is also lovely with pickle. Dec 03 11:30:03 this is gonna take a long time on EDGE, no 3G here :/ Dec 03 11:30:05 chem|st: Linux Dec 03 11:30:20 lolcat: GNU/Linux Dec 03 11:30:26 ? Dec 03 11:31:10 5 packages 1371825 / 2204kB 62% Dec 03 11:31:22 does that mean 137 mb? :O Dec 03 11:31:59 you just did apt-get update? Dec 03 11:32:04 yup Dec 03 11:32:27 ehrm Dec 03 11:32:45 whcih repositories are active? Dec 03 11:33:18 the defaults, extras testing, extras devel Dec 03 11:33:26 lolcat: which opensource clients I was asking not os as in operating sys.. Dec 03 11:33:58 toadpole: thats between 16-25MB usualy (don't know if its bigger yet Dec 03 11:34:00 hey wait, i think its doing it Dec 03 11:34:20 the packages are not 90 mb anymore Dec 03 11:34:29 toadpole: it will recreate all list from scratch Dec 03 11:34:39 should be about 3MB now Dec 03 11:34:43 all together Dec 03 11:35:32 nope, more than that Dec 03 11:35:38 toadpole: for some reason the OTA update does not rewrite some files Dec 03 11:35:51 i'm up to around 12 mb so far Dec 03 11:36:06 toadpole: oh well 100 boxes is 400kb already Dec 03 11:36:24 toadpole: you are good now? Dec 03 11:36:56 hopefully, yes. thanks bro, if there are any problems, i might bother you again :) Dec 03 11:37:01 toadpole: do yourself a favour, deactivate devel Dec 03 11:37:15 i actually wanted preenv Dec 03 11:37:35 toadpole: yeah I activate devel only if I need something from devel in special Dec 03 11:38:09 okay, i also have that other repository, my-maemo.com or something, that's got some nice apps Dec 03 11:38:27 just had to fix install and uninstall scripts from several packages while upgrading my SDK from 1.2 to 1.3 yesterday Dec 03 11:38:47 ~my-maemo Dec 03 11:38:52 ~my-maemo.com Dec 03 11:42:08 toadpole: the repo is a collector of all kind, is it really trustworthy? Dec 03 11:42:35 i've downloaded a few apps, seems to work fine Dec 03 11:42:52 lists only 6 for download Dec 03 11:43:12 wha? no, something wrong there, they have a few hundred apps Dec 03 11:45:09 toadpole: the software catalog shows a few hundreds, a closer look shows they are from all over the place, some from maemo.org some from ovi and so on Dec 03 11:45:20 the download list shows only 6 Dec 03 11:46:01 strange, i was looking through the downloads yesterday, it made the app list a whole lot bigger Dec 03 11:49:11 i have to go, i'll be back later, thanks again, chem|st, your help is much appreciated\ Dec 03 11:54:46 toadpole: in ham it only list 5 apps... Dec 03 12:34:34 I'm having a problem setting up Hebrew keyboard mapping Dec 03 12:34:47 (yes, I read Hebrew_N900 on the wiki) Dec 03 12:35:00 Specifically, I installed ukeyboard, Dec 03 12:35:34 But I only get the "phonetic" Hebrew layout, which is rather pointless Dec 03 12:35:54 There should be a querty Hebrew layout, but I don't see it on the list of layouts Dec 03 12:36:17 Alterego ? Abernich alterego oder ? Technotechnotechno :) Dec 03 12:36:20 I do have he-querty.xkb in /usr/share/ukeyboard Dec 03 12:36:35 What? Dec 03 12:36:51 Ich sprechen nicht Deutsch. Dec 03 12:37:10 Noshit Dec 03 12:37:23 alterego, wirklich? Dec 03 12:37:34 Ich nicht Duetsch gesprechen? Dec 03 12:37:39 crashanddie: war mir nicht bekannt Dec 03 12:37:50 alterego: wie du sprichst kein deutsch? Dec 03 12:37:55 ;) Dec 03 12:38:00 Heh Dec 03 12:38:06 hello Dec 03 12:38:42 am still having bad quality using skype phone, I tried calling echo/test service and the sound is terrible Dec 03 12:39:21 I applied BoostN900 patch but that didn't fix it Dec 03 12:39:54 lolloo: what about deactivating powersaving and setting wifi to 100mW? Dec 03 12:40:36 chem|st, yes that too. I did that thank you. Dec 03 12:40:56 Are you or r u not by anymeans the alterego please tell me :) faendich jajez echt zukrass wenn ... Aber was geet ... Dec 03 12:41:07 I aslo tried to change the DSL routers channel Dec 03 12:41:34 but it seems that when I call using my pc I get a good quality Dec 03 12:41:57 but when I use skype on N900 its bad quality Dec 03 12:42:05 lolloo: use something like wifiinfo to check for channels Dec 03 12:42:14 I am the alterego. Dec 03 12:42:28 ok what channel is best for N900? Dec 03 12:42:29 Or something. Dec 03 12:42:40 lolloo: it's more about the traffic around your AP Dec 03 12:42:41 fladnag: you dont speak german neither Dec 03 12:43:09 skype on my pc is better than on my n900 Dec 03 12:43:13 If there are a lot of networks on the same frequency/channel as your wireless network, you may get a load of attenuation issues. Dec 03 12:43:13 lolloo: the channel noone else uses and at best one channel free in between Dec 03 12:43:18 by a big margin Dec 03 12:43:35 ok I will look into that Dec 03 12:43:38 chem|st: well, there are only really 3 channels 1 6 and 11 .. Dec 03 12:43:39 so your pc is connected via wifi right? Dec 03 12:43:50 yes Dec 03 12:44:06 lolloo: powersaving is off? Dec 03 12:44:11 yes Dec 03 12:44:16 Alternatively: is there any way to force a specific XKB layout? Dec 03 12:44:28 Ey ward ihr nich zwei? Also romanfluegel und Dec 03 12:44:31 (I can do without the virtual keyboard) Dec 03 12:44:34 Aehm Dec 03 12:44:48 fladnag: english! Dec 03 12:44:58 I will keep trying other channels. Dec 03 12:45:00 Homiess legowelt ? Dec 03 12:45:06 Sorry Dec 03 12:45:09 I will give my feedback Dec 03 12:45:13 :) Dec 03 12:45:22 lolloo: wont do it, Dec 03 12:45:33 lolloo: what is your encryption method? Dec 03 12:45:48 mmm Dec 03 12:45:56 what is running in background? Dec 03 12:46:04 WEP Dec 03 12:46:16 Hey what doyou guys think about chiptunes/gameboymusic :) Dec 03 12:46:19 nothing I formatted or reflashed my nokia Dec 03 12:46:20 lolloo: using WEP is like using no encryption... Dec 03 12:46:26 hehehe Dec 03 12:46:28 better Dec 03 12:46:43 http://i.imgur.com/75erJ.png Dec 03 12:46:45 teeheehee Dec 03 12:47:56 guysoft42, what channel is best for n900? Dec 03 12:48:10 I have from 1 - 13 Dec 03 12:48:24 as you were told, there is no "best" channel Dec 03 12:48:32 lolloo: there is no best channel for n900, there is best channel for your location! Dec 03 12:48:34 just pick the one that has the least other networks on it Dec 03 12:48:46 alright Dec 03 12:49:41 lolloo: have you got a data plan? Dec 03 12:50:07 no Dec 03 12:50:41 lolloo: changing your channel wont help as your pc would have the same problem Dec 03 12:50:57 lolloo: something on your setup is messing up Dec 03 12:51:01 you right Dec 03 12:51:14 try someone elses router Dec 03 12:51:40 yeah I will keep that in mind Dec 03 12:52:07 http://regmedia.co.uk/2010/12/03/ventblockers_frog.jpg Dec 03 12:52:26 lolloo: or look into some "howto setup wifi" guides for proper settings of thresholds beacons and so on Dec 03 12:53:16 RST38h: that one has been dead for a while o_O Dec 03 12:56:27 Hahah Dec 03 12:56:56 Oh wait, wrong channel Dec 03 12:57:44 RST38h, would that be the reason for jittery/jumpy graphics? Dec 03 12:58:15 according to the story it was the reason for completely dead graphics Dec 03 12:58:36 interesting... Dec 03 12:58:48 Cannot update 'fMMS'. Update cannot be understood. Dec 03 12:58:56 [Yes] [No] Dec 03 12:58:57 nidO, that does not explain the french speech coming out of the speakers Dec 03 12:58:58 pardon??? Dec 03 12:59:04 Alsoo joern oder roman ???? Dec 03 12:59:11 :) Dec 03 12:59:20 Alter? Dec 03 12:59:22 lcuk: No, but if it is the smell, you know who caused it Dec 03 12:59:23 Ego? Dec 03 12:59:28 What? Dec 03 12:59:34 Ey ich vergoettere dich Dec 03 12:59:35 What is your obsession with my nick? Dec 03 12:59:43 Kkkk Dec 03 13:00:19 heh Dec 03 13:00:22 You are not alterego but your name is :) Dec 03 13:00:44 fladnag, how about you drop it and just get on wither another discussion topic? Dec 03 13:01:02 s/her/h/ Dec 03 13:01:02 crashanddie meant: fladnag, how about you drop it and just get on with another discussion topic? Dec 03 13:14:14 I should probably tidy up my N900, emmc has about 500M free O_o Dec 03 13:14:28 Jeah Dec 03 13:14:55 alterego, I filled mine more than once o_O Dec 03 13:14:59 How can one make the fuckin rootfs bigger ? Dec 03 13:15:12 give it soup Dec 03 13:15:17 or viagra Dec 03 13:15:31 fladnag, meego uses 4gb rootfs that can be extended afaik - it installs onto the external MMC Dec 03 13:15:37 so == big rootfs :) Dec 03 13:19:18 Done. Dec 03 13:19:26 Just had to purge a load of crap from my Downloads directory. Dec 03 13:21:53 Does anyone know how to manoever thrue normal maemo_5 n900 with arrowkeys ? Dec 03 13:22:07 (menues) Dec 03 13:22:15 ? Dec 03 13:22:50 Like inthe filebrowser or file dialogs like in emulators ..! ??? Dec 03 13:22:51 fladnag, theres a mod for kildon which adds keybindings for some things, but not sure its status or whether specifically it adds arrow navigation Dec 03 13:23:01 hildon even Dec 03 13:24:22 How do i get this mod please Dec 03 13:24:58 Please please please with sugar ontop :) Dec 03 13:26:10 fladnag, http://wiki.maemo.org/Modified_Hildon_Desktop Dec 03 13:26:33 Thaaankyou !!!! Dec 03 13:26:48 fladnag, read all about it, and note its not an official package etc Dec 03 13:27:06 and mostly, report feedback to the developer :) Dec 03 13:28:22 once you have it installed, pressing "U, U, D, D, L, R, L, R, A, B, Select, Start" will open an feedback form Dec 03 13:28:46 Is it very unstable ? Do you have experience withit? Dec 03 13:29:00 :) selct,start ?? Wtf Dec 03 13:29:15 sorry fladnag, I have given you hints and a start Dec 03 13:29:20 N900 hasno select & start Dec 03 13:29:22 chem|st: Any of them Dec 03 13:29:23 * lcuk puts his cape on and flies back to #meego Dec 03 13:30:09 Whatdoyouthink is meego better than maemo_5 or maemo ? Dec 03 13:30:42 But such a cape is cool also :p Dec 03 13:31:03 Iwant one :p Dec 03 13:31:09 Need to come up with a nice way to make my UI more portable. Dec 03 13:31:18 Some bits are too Maemo5 specific. Dec 03 13:31:22 fladnag, I think with work meego will be everything maemo and more, if we can make meego as open and accessible as maemo it will do the same but for all phones instead of just one Dec 03 13:31:29 Think I'll mock up a desktop version. Dec 03 13:32:11 But iam afraid ofbootloaders and such ... Had to reflash ... (Once) but my heart ... :P Iam not thatjung anymore Dec 03 13:32:14 :) Dec 03 13:33:45 Why are you afraid of boot loaders? Anyway, you can run MeeGo without touching the bootloader. Dec 03 13:34:39 ..? Keeping maemo_5 ? Dec 03 13:35:24 funny...had to reboot to be able to send sms...it just shows the crossed over outbox icon on the messages I tried to send earlier Dec 03 13:35:26 Yes, Dec 03 13:35:34 and complained "incorrect number" once Dec 03 13:35:35 Meego is installed on a MicroSD card. Dec 03 13:36:17 Fun: http://www.buffalonews.com/weather/article271821.ece Dec 03 13:36:23 Then you use the flasher utility to load the kernel directly onto the N900 without having to actually flash the device. Dec 03 13:36:26 Then it boots. Dec 03 13:36:51 Doesn't touch maemo, doesn't touch the bootloader, once you restart the device after you've finished testing meego, it'll start back up into maemo. Dec 03 13:37:00 Hmmm Dec 03 13:38:45 I can have meego on N900? Dec 03 13:38:59 Does meego support spotify offline? Dec 03 13:39:46 Can meego run maemo(5) apps ? Dec 03 13:40:10 You can, but it's really only useful if you want to start developing and exploring what MeeGo offers. Dec 03 13:40:20 It's not stable enough for day-to-day use. Dec 03 13:40:29 Okey Dec 03 13:41:07 :) ithink maemo_5 isnt also ... But i use it evryday alldaylong Dec 03 13:41:32 Maemo 5 beats symbian for sure Dec 03 13:41:58 But maybe meego is more trouble atm Dec 03 13:42:00 It is bether than adroid because the N900 is so powerfull Dec 03 13:42:13 Even more :) Dec 03 13:42:34 N900 can run android also ..! Dec 03 13:42:41 fladnag: maemo isnt a lot of trouble Dec 03 13:42:53 Can I call with android? Dec 03 13:42:54 Maemo 5 is fine. Dec 03 13:42:57 Ok if you sayso Dec 03 13:43:18 Yeah phone functionality works sofar Dec 03 13:43:32 (android on n900) Dec 03 13:43:52 oO Dec 03 13:44:00 Maybe I should swich to android Dec 03 13:44:05 * RST38h /ignores and sighs Dec 03 13:44:11 RST38h: Me? Dec 03 13:44:38 But why are u sighsing :?) Dec 03 13:45:09 fladnag: Then I would be able to get spotify! Dec 03 13:45:14 Android + maemo_5 + meego on one n900 :p Dec 03 13:46:09 + ledbeamer + sixaxis-ps3pad >> lotsoffun :p Dec 03 13:46:43 > christmas > ledbeamer Dec 03 13:46:52 !!!! :) Dec 03 13:47:00 lolcat: you? well... Dec 03 13:47:04 Got a wiimote already Dec 03 13:47:08 What's ledbeamer? Dec 03 13:47:14 ..:p Dec 03 13:47:36 android is crap Dec 03 13:48:03 I bougth a siaxis ps3 controller to use with my n900 Dec 03 13:48:11 MohammadAG: But spotify supports it1 Dec 03 13:49:08 Ledbeamer is an video projector that wight's about 200gramms and uses usb (5v 500ma) for power :) ... Dec 03 13:49:12 spotify isn't supported here, so I don't care Dec 03 13:49:39 ... Portable cinema/arkade Dec 03 13:50:02 (with an n900. . .) Dec 03 13:51:32 But beware ! They normaly have just about 30 ansilumen ..! Dec 03 13:52:14 ... A normal beamer for 230volts has about 2000 ansilumen. .! Dec 03 13:52:25 Or wasit 1000 ? Dec 03 13:52:37 ... Something likethat Dec 03 13:53:31 MohammadAG: Neither is Android Dec 03 13:53:48 But it wight's about 2000 gramms or more and yeah you got thepoint Dec 03 13:53:48 lolcat, err? Dec 03 13:53:55 beamer? Dec 03 13:54:05 oh - projector Dec 03 13:54:11 Jeahjeah Dec 03 13:54:21 hi Dec 03 13:55:31 hey guys Dec 03 13:56:55 is uboot a boot manager, like grub on pcs? Dec 03 13:57:43 hello Venemo Dec 03 13:58:06 Hey Venemo Dec 03 13:58:10 unluckier: yes, it is. Dec 03 13:58:58 Is it just me, or does Reuters need to be told what a "shark" is? http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7273/20101203144904900x252sc.png Dec 03 13:59:51 alterego: okay. so it supports some kind of prompt, so i could choose between the meego and the pr13 and the power kernel? Dec 03 14:00:33 unluckier: Hrm, well, yes, in theory. Dec 03 14:00:45 hey can i get to /home/usr in mass storage mode? i don't see it anywhere Dec 03 14:00:58 Read up on uboot, it's not as easy as it is in a desktop system. Dec 03 14:01:01 crashanddie: that is not a shark?! Dec 03 14:01:15 toadpole: no, mass storage mode exports /home/user/MyDocs Dec 03 14:01:25 unluckier, good, so we agree :) Dec 03 14:01:53 okay, thanks guys Dec 03 14:03:55 crashanddie: i'm sure it's one of the near extinct horned sharks, preying on stage divers at weird spanish snuff shows Dec 03 14:05:22 does http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65730 (instal preenv games in mydocs) affect anything else? Dec 03 14:21:41 alterego: what's up? Dec 03 14:23:24 Not a lot. Dec 03 14:24:13 fladnag: no calling with nitdroid as there is no mic support Dec 03 14:26:54 chem|st: and no pin-protected sim support either, isn't it? Dec 03 14:26:58 i thought there was mic support Dec 03 14:27:09 but no modem voice support Dec 03 14:28:45 Corsac: yes, same goes for meego Dec 03 14:29:03 is it hard to port pulseaudioused in meego to nitdroid? Dec 03 14:29:42 oh meego also dont support modem voice Dec 03 14:29:44 oops Dec 03 14:40:11 ~partition Dec 03 14:40:11 extra, extra, read all about it, partition is You can partition your hard drive by breaking it up into one or more pieces, or "partitions." Partition Dec 03 14:40:21 ~partitioning Dec 03 14:40:21 i heard partitioning is with "Ranish's partitioner" or with Partition Magic - personal edition Dec 03 14:43:03 hi MohammadAG Dec 03 14:43:20 hi Venemo :) Dec 03 14:44:02 how are you? Dec 03 14:45:17 Hey MohammadAG Dec 03 14:45:33 bored :P Dec 03 14:45:45 Me too. Dec 03 14:46:35 hi alterego Dec 03 14:48:17 hehe Dec 03 14:48:22 I'm also a bit bored Dec 03 14:49:16 but not for long Dec 03 14:49:25 I'll start working on my app soon :P Dec 03 14:49:37 ~repartitioning Dec 03 14:49:54 ~repartitioning is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash Dec 03 14:49:54 chem|st: okay Dec 03 14:49:57 ~tomorrow Dec 03 14:49:57 Tomorrow will probably suck too. Dec 03 14:50:02 ~repartitioning Dec 03 14:50:02 repartitioning is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash Dec 03 14:50:20 ~yesterday Dec 03 14:50:21 Yesterday? it sucked. Dec 03 14:50:30 ~thedayaftertomorrow Dec 03 14:50:33 ~today Dec 03 14:50:34 Today is the first day of the rest of your life (Friday). Dec 03 14:51:13 ~partitioning is with "Ranish's partitioner" or with Partition Magic - personal edition or maybe repartitioning Dec 03 14:51:13 ...but partitioning is already something else... Dec 03 14:51:30 ~forget partitioning Dec 03 14:51:31 do HildonExtras work with PyGTK? Dec 03 14:51:44 MohammadAG: it should, but I haven't a clue how to use it Dec 03 14:51:57 MohammadAG: there are a few components that are ported to python too Dec 03 14:52:02 hi all Dec 03 14:52:06 hi ciaps Dec 03 14:52:10 ~no, partitioning Dec 03 14:52:20 ~partitioning is with "Ranish's partitioner" or with Partition Magic - personal edition or maybe repartitioning Dec 03 14:52:21 ...but partitioning is already something else... Dec 03 14:52:23 chem|st, why? Dec 03 14:52:24 grml Dec 03 14:52:34 ~hildon-extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon-Extras Dec 03 14:52:35 Venemo: okay Dec 03 14:52:59 MohammadAG: want to add repartitioning Dec 03 14:53:00 Venemo, I want the HeFullScreen one (if I got the name right) Dec 03 14:53:37 MohammadAG: I don't know how to make python bindings, but alterego might know more than I Dec 03 14:53:47 MohammadAG: why python? :P Dec 03 14:53:54 but the current one seems right Dec 03 14:53:54 how do I know the app name so I can get it apt-get command? Dec 03 14:54:02 hello everyone, Venemo proposed that I ask for help here Dec 03 14:54:08 nvm Dec 03 14:54:10 welcome Dec 03 14:54:26 I need to be able to edit /etc/event.d/xomap without booting maemo Dec 03 14:54:26 lolloo: you'll need to know the name of the package to do that Dec 03 14:54:39 lolloo: you apt-cache search for it Dec 03 14:54:45 Venemo, working on noor again, need it for tomorrow's exam :P Dec 03 14:54:46 awesome Dec 03 14:54:52 MohammadAG: noor? Dec 03 14:55:03 Quran app Dec 03 14:55:05 jrobicha: from droid or meego? Dec 03 14:55:08 lolloo: you can also search on maemo.org/packages Dec 03 14:55:27 I've made a bad edit to that file (putting the Xorg.0.log file from /tmp to the MyDocs folder because it's getting too big) and now maemo can't boot Dec 03 14:55:27 oh great. better than app manager Dec 03 14:55:33 sucks big time! Dec 03 14:55:44 chemjst: any Dec 03 14:56:08 I'm currently flashing meego on an external sd card Dec 03 14:56:09 MaePad's in python right? Dec 03 14:56:15 jrobicha: nitdroid cannot mount root partition in a easy way Dec 03 14:56:26 ok Dec 03 14:56:27 MohammadAG: oh. so it is stuff with which one can read the Quran? Dec 03 14:56:42 jrobicha: you need to become root in droid to do that afair Dec 03 14:57:01 Venemo, yeah Dec 03 14:57:18 chemjst: yeah, that's what I thought. I have this runnign right now: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd Dec 03 14:57:24 Venemo, actually, the thing you use to read is called "eyes" Dec 03 14:57:33 or fingertips, if you're blind. Dec 03 14:57:33 since it's a port of the PC version, full screen mode can only be exit from using the F button Dec 03 14:57:51 what if you're blind and want to use the N900 to read? Dec 03 14:58:07 get it as an audiobook Dec 03 14:58:08 MohammadAG: espeak Dec 03 14:58:09 MohammadAG: no idea Dec 03 14:58:19 good luck on finding the icon though Dec 03 14:59:24 jrobicha: I guess there is some editor available in the rescue shell Dec 03 14:59:35 chemjst: I can now mount mmbblk0p1 and p2 on my laptop, but that doesn't contain the root fs partition Dec 03 14:59:39 chemjst: yes Dec 03 14:59:42 rescue hell** Dec 03 14:59:57 but I can't see the "/" equivalent device Dec 03 15:00:13 root is /dev/mtd5 Dec 03 15:00:32 meego's initrd can't modprobe ubi.ko Dec 03 15:00:33 crashanddie: icon? i know the keymap can start xterm and run a command with closed eyes... Dec 03 15:00:48 MohammadAG: ah, that's pretty bad then... Dec 03 15:00:52 haptic keyboards for life! Dec 03 15:01:11 actually, I was recently shown a screen with variable texture Dec 03 15:01:14 nitdroid mounts the root partition on boot afaik Dec 03 15:01:14 do we have another 'rescue' initrd I could use? Dec 03 15:02:06 crashanddie: the wife of a friend is blind and is developer of those haptic boards for blind people... he is knopper (knoppix...) Dec 03 15:02:06 so that you could make "buttons" appear anywhere on the screen. The screen draws what the button means, and you can feel where it is Dec 03 15:02:11 MohammadAG: yeah, but within nitdroid, I can't get to a shell and edit stuff Dec 03 15:02:17 nope, might work on one soon though Dec 03 15:02:28 crashanddie, saw the tech demo Dec 03 15:02:40 MohammadAG, I saw the demo in my office :) Dec 03 15:02:49 jrobicha: there is a shell preinstalled in the devel section but no root me remembers Dec 03 15:02:56 good point, doesn't busybox run on android? Dec 03 15:03:20 crashanddie: got a link handy? Dec 03 15:03:25 MohammadAG: that's a good question Dec 03 15:03:26 chem|st, nope Dec 03 15:03:32 I'm trying to install tesseract on the nokia n900. Yesterday I spent the intere day tryint to do it but without success.. I tried to download with apt-get but I did not found the package, after I tried to compile from the source inside scratchbox but no results Dec 03 15:04:02 MohammadAG & chem|st: it even allows for a blind personal navigation system -- you keep your finger on the screen, and with a digital compass and gps, it guides you towards your destination by making the button move left and right to "aim" you. Dec 03 15:04:05 If I try to compile it in the n900 I get this error: ./configure: permission denied Dec 03 15:04:25 but I checked the permissions and it's ok.. Dec 03 15:04:35 any ideas? Dec 03 15:04:42 ciaps, yes, the permissions aren't right Dec 03 15:04:55 ciaps, and you need to do it on the root, not inside /home/user/MyDocs Dec 03 15:05:06 or the SD card for that matter Dec 03 15:05:51 crashanddie: why I have to compile the project in the root? Dec 03 15:06:12 ciaps: tesseract-ocr Dec 03 15:06:21 ciaps, because the fat32 partitions don't support the exec bit Dec 03 15:06:42 ciaps, or remount the partition without the noexec flag Dec 03 15:06:44 chem|st: doesn't work apt-get install tesseract-ocr: it doesn't find the package Dec 03 15:06:59 crashanddie: uhm Dec 03 15:07:04 ciaps: it is in devel Dec 03 15:07:25 ciaps: http://maemo.org/packages/view/tesseract-ocr/ Dec 03 15:07:28 chem|st: I should have that repository but it doesn't work Dec 03 15:07:51 crashanddie: so I have to copy the project in the root directory and execute it.. ok Dec 03 15:08:07 ciaps: no just somewhere not vfat Dec 03 15:08:09 MohammadAG: actually, the meego rescue "initrd" I have actually have the ubifs.ko Dec 03 15:08:38 are there special "modprobe" options to pass to mount the fs? Dec 03 15:08:44 chem|st: ok, so I can also create a folder in the root and after execute there.. ok thanks :) I'm going to try it Dec 03 15:09:18 a simple "modprobe ubifs" gives errors related to: unable to initialize the lzo compressor Dec 03 15:09:24 ciaps: I would check if devel is active first Dec 03 15:09:44 how can I do it? Dec 03 15:10:04 ham or simply download it from the website... Dec 03 15:11:07 ciaps: I would not use / (rootfs) for compiling stuff, use /home/user/ instead Dec 03 15:13:18 chem|st: ok thanks.. it seems that tesseract is not available in the repository.. I'm clicking to download but it doesn't start Dec 03 15:14:11 ciaps: you are doing something wrong... http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/t/tesseract/tesseract-ocr_2.04-2maemo0_armel.debhttp://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/t/tesseract/tesseract-ocr_2.04-2maemo0_armel.deb Dec 03 15:14:16 damn Dec 03 15:14:17 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/t/tesseract/tesseract-ocr_2.04-2maemo0_armel.deb Dec 03 15:14:21 that Dec 03 15:14:32 yes you're right Dec 03 15:14:49 type wget Dec 03 15:15:19 after that "dpkg -i tesseract-ocr_2.04-2maemo0_armel.deb" Dec 03 15:15:38 can I ask you where did you find the link? I'm here: http://maemo.org/packages/view/tesseract-ocr/ Dec 03 15:15:46 oh you need to fullfill the dependencies first Dec 03 15:16:04 ciaps click on the link at package Dec 03 15:16:06 but if I press http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/tesseract-ocr/2.04-2maemo0/ it doesn't start Dec 03 15:16:41 it links me here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/tesseract-ocr/2.04-2maemo0/ Dec 03 15:17:12 at releases just the armel one clicking Dec 03 15:18:01 yes and there is "file: tesseract-ocr_2.04-2maemo0_armel.deb" link Dec 03 15:18:37 damn it yes Dec 03 15:18:42 you're right Dec 03 15:18:46 ciaps: activate extras-devel or better leave your hands off! Dec 03 15:18:49 cheers mate Dec 03 15:18:58 :D Dec 03 15:19:03 jrobicha, as I said, you can't modprobe it Dec 03 15:19:20 your next step is to find your self stuck to not being able to install Dec 03 15:19:39 I have it in the /etc/apt/source.list but it doens't work Dec 03 15:19:46 that is the point you should give up! Dec 03 15:19:47 DocScrutinizer, is +o necessary? Dec 03 15:19:56 :D Dec 03 15:20:05 MohammadAG: yeah! I thought is was because the module wasn't there Dec 03 15:20:15 MohammadAG: he might forgot earlier Dec 03 15:20:24 MohammadAG: but I understand that it's a deeper problem... Dec 03 15:20:47 yeah, probably missing kernel .config line Dec 03 15:20:47 jrobicha: what are you actualy trying to do? Dec 03 15:20:52 or another module Dec 03 15:21:17 brb, gotta study :) Dec 03 15:21:21 chemjst: well, yesterday, I was trying to diagnose my growing Xorg.0.log problem Dec 03 15:21:48 ok weekend ladies Dec 03 15:22:01 chemjst: I wanted to have the log created outside /tmp (because there's only 1MB available there) Dec 03 15:22:20 jrobicha: and now you screwed all your system? Dec 03 15:22:27 I edited /etc/event.d/xomap and put the destination of the xorg log to /home/.../MyDocs Dec 03 15:22:48 well, the system is generally fine, but the phone doesn't boot into maemo becaue of that change Dec 03 15:23:04 and that is not readable at the point it is needed to be Dec 03 15:23:05 so I simply want to edit that file again and put the log destination to /tmp again Dec 03 15:23:22 yes, MyDocs isn't available when X starts Dec 03 15:23:33 but right now, I can't access the root fs Dec 03 15:23:34 jrobicha: what a wonder... Dec 03 15:23:43 chemjst: indeed Dec 03 15:24:06 isn't it possible to boot maemo into console mode? Dec 03 15:24:17 that'd do it Dec 03 15:24:22 Venemo: thats the rescue initrd Dec 03 15:24:28 Venemo: yes, that would be great Dec 03 15:24:35 but I can't find how Dec 03 15:24:45 chem|st: so why doesn't jrobicha do that? Dec 03 15:25:04 venemo & chemjst: I can get the meego rescue initrd, is there a maemo one? Dec 03 15:25:04 Venemo: he did but it doesnt list /dev/mmcblk0 Dec 03 15:25:16 i have multiboot installed also... maybe that can help? Dec 03 15:25:47 you may try to become root in nitdroid and mount it Dec 03 15:26:11 jrobicha: you do that with the remote shell stuff (I never got to wrok for me) Dec 03 15:26:34 chemjst: yeah, I couldn't get it to work either Dec 03 15:27:11 why not reflash? Dec 03 15:27:27 let me guess you didn't do a backup Dec 03 15:27:42 yes, I have a data backup Dec 03 15:27:50 so whats the deal Dec 03 15:28:06 20 minutes and you are back to normal Dec 03 15:28:07 chemjst: I'd like to learn (if possible) how to do that kind of stuff Dec 03 15:28:31 jrobicha: if noone here can give you easy steps... Dec 03 15:28:47 chemjst: yeah, that's my conclusion... Dec 03 15:28:58 jrobicha: I was stuck at the point of accessing rootfs with nitdroid and finaly gave up on it Dec 03 15:29:05 jrobicha: reflash is the best. I once screwed up my x keyboard map... Dec 03 15:29:11 chemjst: since I want to do some meego dev, that would have been useful Dec 03 15:29:27 exporting rootfs to usb-storage mode didn't work out neither Dec 03 15:29:36 _|Nix|_: ping Dec 03 15:30:05 jrobicha: maybe someone in #meego-dev can help Dec 03 15:30:17 so byebye have a nice weekend Dec 03 15:30:29 you too chem|st Dec 03 15:34:05 oh great, my battery is empty! Dec 03 15:35:24 jrobicha: charge it then Dec 03 15:36:08 venemo: yeah, I home that it's charging... the phone is plug with the wall adaptor right now, and goes in reboot cycles.... Dec 03 15:37:27 jrobicha: ouch! Dec 03 15:37:33 Hey maemopeoples :) Dec 03 15:37:39 hello fladnag Dec 03 15:37:53 jrobicha: reboot cycles is not good... Dec 03 15:38:40 venemo: yeah, hopefully, I'll get enough battery charge to boot into meego and let it charge a little, just enough for a reflash Dec 03 15:38:53 Do you know if there is some sort of dj-software for the n900/maemo ?? Dec 03 15:39:16 ... Like traktor ..? Dec 03 15:40:58 Oh and can you tell me what "unoptified" means (milkytracker for maemo) ? Dec 03 15:41:44 fladnag: "unoptified" means broken package on maemo Dec 03 15:41:49 It needs more rootfs space orsomething isthat right? Dec 03 15:42:08 Broken? Dec 03 15:42:18 it installs to the wrong partition, which is generally the right partition on a desktop Dec 03 15:42:54 But its just like that for download ... Dec 03 15:43:12 I cant install it orwhat? Dec 03 15:43:29 :( ? Dec 03 15:43:36 you can install unoptified software but itll eat up disk space on your rootfs Dec 03 15:43:46 which can cause problems down the line if you lose too much space Dec 03 15:43:55 ~optification Dec 03 15:43:55 extra, extra, read all about it, optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and ... Dec 03 15:44:02 you can install it but it installs to /usr/bin etc instead of the "correct" /opt/maemo/usr/bin which is on a different partition Dec 03 15:44:11 heh, better Dec 03 15:44:45 fladnag: optified software means that it takes space from the eMMC card and not the rootfs Dec 03 15:44:57 Ohshit Dec 03 15:45:01 fladnag: this means installing your binary to /opt/someplace instead of the root fs Dec 03 15:45:36 Ok ahm what do i have to expect Dec 03 15:45:36 fladnag: this is because the rootfs has very limited size and your app is not supposed to fill it Dec 03 15:45:48 fladnag: what do you have to expect from what? Dec 03 15:46:02 I mean errors/errorscenarios ? Dec 03 15:46:09 fladnag: from what? Dec 03 15:46:17 generally if you use a bit too much rootfs space youll have trouble with future ota upgrades Dec 03 15:46:21 From installing software like that Dec 03 15:46:32 Hm ok Dec 03 15:46:38 fladnag: if you install stuff that fills up the rootfs, the N900 may not be able to operate correctly Dec 03 15:46:40 if you use a lot too much rootfs space and fill it entirely, you'll screw up the device and possibly get stuck in a reboot loop when you next restart it Dec 03 15:47:02 fladnag: for extreme cases (very low space on rootfs), it may no longer be able to boot up Dec 03 15:47:30 fladnag: if you don't fill it up fully but fill it much anyway, then there'll be no room for future updates Dec 03 15:47:38 And is a rebootloop like that reparable like reflashing it or idontknow Dec 03 15:47:47 fladnag: yep Dec 03 15:47:50 a reflash would sort it fine Dec 03 15:48:04 Ok Dec 03 15:48:16 fladnag: of course you can always uninstall this kind of software while the device is still able to boot (in the case when you realize you need more rootfs space) Dec 03 15:48:27 but really Dec 03 15:48:28 read Dec 03 15:48:31 ~optification Dec 03 15:48:31 [optification] a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence3 Dec 03 15:48:43 Kk Dec 03 15:48:56 Thankyou very much ! Dec 03 15:48:59 :) Dec 03 15:49:14 Ohman ilove this comunitything Dec 03 15:49:25 Its beautiful :) Dec 03 15:50:30 Irealymeanit Dec 03 15:51:32 I still think /usr/local rather than /opt Dec 03 15:52:19 But what is done, is done. Dec 03 15:52:59 hm Dec 03 15:53:20 there are 450 people here, and only 391 on #fedora... how is that? :D Dec 03 15:54:11 maemo > fedora? :) Dec 03 15:54:18 yup <3 Dec 03 15:56:54 hehe :D Dec 03 15:57:16 I have not counted the various other channels of Fedora though :P Dec 03 15:57:44 how can i retrieve the current location using gps in my app? Dec 03 15:58:02 liblocation is fairly poor documented :/ Dec 03 16:01:07 trx: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Connectivity_Components/Using_Location_API ? Dec 03 16:01:08 trx: use Qt Mobility Dec 03 16:02:45 oh, im sorry i only found http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/liblocation/LocationGPSDevice.html Dec 03 16:02:55 thank you Dec 03 16:02:59 yw Dec 03 16:41:24 Gizmokid2005, setup a paypal account. Dec 03 16:42:17 lcuk: I think I'm going to. If word spreads and they get help...I can't convey how much it would be appreciated. The people that have already come forward locally that have been in similar positions is so great. Dec 03 16:42:43 sure thing Dec 03 16:43:13 i read the page and totally understand the situation (been there myself) and will happily give an amount to help. Dec 03 16:46:16 thanks lcuk, it's appreciated more than you know. Dec 03 17:00:20 hi all Dec 03 17:00:40 I m trying to compile tesseract 3.00 in the n900 but I get a weird error: Dec 03 17:01:04 configure: error: no acceptable grep could be found in /bin:...etc Dec 03 17:01:47 any idea to solve it? Dec 03 17:04:33 install gnu tools or whatever the name is Dec 03 17:05:04 lol, 'grep' is built into ash so no exec for it, and the one you install from repos is ggrep Dec 03 17:12:22 uhm Dec 03 17:12:30 so what can I do? Dec 03 17:13:54 Set up a chroot, with proper tools Dec 03 17:13:57 IMO Dec 03 17:14:09 Installing random crap into / is bad Dec 03 17:14:34 damn it.. Dec 03 17:14:49 I was looking for a simple solution :( Dec 03 17:16:53 ah another thing, Dec 03 17:17:35 do you know why doesn't work the tab autocompletion tool when I try to do apt-get install (this both in the n900 both in the scratchbox) Dec 03 17:24:30 pallon: why don't you compile it in scratchbox? Dec 03 17:25:42 Venemo: it's not a project created with automake so I don't know how to create a .deb Dec 03 17:26:19 pallon: checkinstall make install Dec 03 17:26:43 pallon: what kind of project is it? Dec 03 17:26:47 pallon: tab autocompletion generally only works if there's a file the shell knows about, it doesn't understand commands Dec 03 17:27:06 pallon: simple solution: install Gentoo on N900 Dec 03 17:27:26 Venemo: is tesseract 3.00 Dec 03 17:27:46 pallon: no idea then, sorry :( Dec 03 17:27:55 luke-jr: yes but in my ubuntu it works.. Dec 03 17:28:31 Ubuntu probably does some customization to the BASH auto-complete Dec 03 17:28:34 which is very flexible Dec 03 17:28:45 but not so much ash's Dec 03 17:29:46 goodbye guys, I'll be back :) Dec 03 17:55:17 guys, how can i specify own custom-name when compiling kenel using dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b" Dec 03 17:56:00 i know this works make EXTRAVERSION=-blahblah bzImage Dec 03 17:56:56 Secon question is if i remove the /lib/module/current, will the device boot-up? Dec 03 17:57:17 MohammadAG: ^^ Dec 03 18:22:20 well. moo. Dec 03 18:22:34 I wonder if there's an app that can cycle ir codes to help you find out what config file you need. Dec 03 18:22:38 moo Dec 03 18:24:36 MohammadAG: meh, /dopm didn't work :-P Dec 03 18:25:41 Anyone know of such a utility? Dec 03 18:26:36 moo Dec 03 18:27:05 RST38h: wikileaks is just DoS'd in USA aiui Dec 03 18:27:53 Doc: No shit. Dec 03 18:28:05 Doc: They moved to .SE address for now Dec 03 18:29:37 RST38h: they ever been there Dec 03 18:29:56 everyDNS has 'locked' the page, in USA Dec 03 18:30:16 Yea, for technical reasons not related to Wikileaks activity, I am sure? :) Dec 03 18:31:04 they are using .ch domain but still provided by everyDNS afaik Dec 03 18:31:25 and a .se server which redirects you to a OVH hosting (.fr) Dec 03 18:31:34 or something along those lines Dec 03 18:38:18 wtf... "everyDNS" owns the domain? Dec 03 18:39:04 http://213.251.145.96/ Dec 03 18:40:00 whatever, this will all be over soon... the brits are about to arrest the guy on the swedish warrant, and he'll carry out his immature threats to prevent his rape trial, and the remaining info will be released, and that'll be that Dec 03 18:41:02 note: threats are less concerning when you insist you'll release all the info no matter what, but with it just an issue of timing (and the threat carries less weight when your desired method is to slowly release parts to string it out over months instead of a single dump) Dec 03 18:41:21 UK has said they know where the uy is but the international order for him has been filed improperly Dec 03 18:41:31 s/uy/guy Dec 03 18:41:44 Anyway, I think it is time for dead pool Dec 03 18:42:35 yeah, but news outlets say sweden has amended the warrant in response to those concerns Dec 03 18:44:44 Funny how many american movies end up with heroic hackers / freedom fighters/ etc making-secret-government-conspiracy-information-public-on-the-internet and there is happy end Dec 03 18:45:15 While in reality... well... :) Dec 03 18:46:59 guys, i have copied my custom kernel modules to /lib/modules/2.6.28-custom, and .flasher-3.5 -l -b -k /opt/scratchbox/users/sbox/home/user/kernel-2.6.28/arch/arm/boot/zImage Dec 03 18:47:05 But the device doesnt boot. Dec 03 18:47:09 i'll stop myself on this subject now, i fear it'll turn into another pointless and very off-topic rant :) Dec 03 18:47:44 Is it because the '/lib/modules/current' symlink still points to the old kernel /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1 Dec 03 18:48:07 not that there is a lot going on on-topic though Dec 03 18:49:26 anybody installed a CUSTOM kernel? Dec 03 18:50:11 i dont want to brick my device without first testing :( Dec 03 18:50:32 And you test... by asking if anyone has bricked his device before you do? Dec 03 18:51:37 RST38h: i just want to know if i can delete /lib/modules/current. Dec 03 18:52:29 RST38h: will my custom kernel pick its module directory automatically with 'current' still pointing to stock module directory Dec 03 18:55:10 Nobody is responding. Is it because of Friday, or nobody want to respond to an idiot. Dec 03 18:56:58 DocScrutinizer: can you spare some time? Dec 03 18:57:07 guess. Dec 03 18:57:09 *cough* Dec 03 18:57:45 trumee: yes, current has to point to the matching modules Dec 03 18:57:52 * alterego makes a local mirror of lirc remotes repository. Dec 03 18:57:54 DocScrutinizer: thanks. Dec 03 18:58:01 aiui Dec 03 18:58:11 DocScrutinizer: aiui? Dec 03 18:58:17 ~aiui Dec 03 18:58:18 aiui is, like, As I Understand It Dec 03 18:58:53 DocScrutinizer: ah, ok. so guess deleting current wont help. Maemo kernel is not intelligent like modern day distros. Dec 03 18:59:28 alterego: I was about to suggest that, but then it was too obvious an idea, and too complex to write the proper suggestion Dec 03 18:59:38 :) Dec 03 19:00:06 trumee: I dunno Dec 03 19:00:11 Yeah, I was just wondering if anyone had already done anything like it before. Seems like quite an obvious tool to have. Dec 03 19:00:35 ask MohammadAG, he might have some experience with this by now Dec 03 19:00:58 hmm? Dec 03 19:01:11 modversion etc for kernels Dec 03 19:01:23 [2010-12-03 19:39:01] Is it because the '/lib/modules/current' symlink still points to the old kernel /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1 Dec 03 19:02:27 the Q is: which prerequisites must be met for a custom kernel and its modules to boot Dec 03 19:03:04 kernel (zImage flashed) and modules Dec 03 19:03:26 edit /sbin/preinit (CAUTION!!!) Dec 03 19:03:28 on a full dev system, also headers Dec 03 19:03:30 Is /lib/modules/current even used? Dec 03 19:03:44 make it look in /lib/modules/`uname -r` Dec 03 19:03:50 or Dec 03 19:03:52 I thought things normally use uname Dec 03 19:03:55 make it look in "/lib/modules/`uname -r`" Dec 03 19:04:11 alterego, no, I think it uses current Dec 03 19:04:23 Interesting. Dec 03 19:04:27 it's been some time since i checked the file Dec 03 19:04:30 * MohammadAG checks Dec 03 19:04:35 Isn't taking too long to download all the remote config files. Dec 03 19:04:40 MohammadAG: I have placed the modules in /lib/modules/2.6.28-custom, '/lib/modules/current' still points to /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1, kernel flashed using flasher-3.5 -l -b -k zImage Dec 03 19:04:41 On 's' already .. Dec 03 19:04:57 MohammadAG: device doesnt boot after that. Dec 03 19:05:04 No to write a script to cycle through all power buttons :D Dec 03 19:05:15 s/No/Now/ Dec 03 19:05:17 alterego meant: Now to write a script to cycle through all power buttons :D Dec 03 19:05:31 MODULE_PATH=/lib/modules/`uname -r` #fixed by kernel-power Dec 03 19:05:45 And its' done :D Dec 03 19:06:06 alterego: exactly what I suggested some days ago, fine :-D Dec 03 19:06:09 trumee, is the EXTRAVERSION=-custom? Dec 03 19:06:12 MohammadAG: yes Dec 03 19:06:36 MohammadAG: the 'current' symlink still points to stock modules. Dec 03 19:06:44 rm /lib/modules/current and recreate it? Dec 03 19:06:56 it's just a symlink, make a new one Dec 03 19:07:04 or edit /sbin/preinit as I stated above Dec 03 19:07:13 MohammadAG: where do i fix this, MODULE_PATH=/lib/modules/`uname -r` ? Dec 03 19:07:27 MohammadAG: oops!. you were too quick, Dec 03 19:08:23 DocScrutinizer: really? Cool, I've been thinking of doing it for months, just never got around to it. Dec 03 19:09:36 MohammadAG: i want to test the kernel without flashing it, first. Dec 03 19:09:43 evening alls :) Dec 03 19:09:54 * NooBmonk3y waves at alterego , DocScrutinizer , MohammadAG , lcuk , frals etc etc Dec 03 19:10:09 alterego: you're aware it's not the irreco 'skin' def files you need, but the lirc controller files? Dec 03 19:10:14 trumee, does it matter? you can flash back Dec 03 19:10:22 * MohammadAG waves back Dec 03 19:10:28 * DocScrutinizer hugs NooBmonk3y Dec 03 19:10:33 w000p Dec 03 19:10:38 MohammadAG: ah! yes. with the preinit fixed, i can. cant i. stupid me. Dec 03 19:10:42 eveyone having a good friday? Dec 03 19:11:55 no, I didn't murder any trouts Dec 03 19:12:02 I have to admit this being a terra incognita to me as well Dec 03 19:12:32 flashing a new kernel won't usually work without also flashing a matching new rootfs, no? Dec 03 19:13:38 or is kernel/preinit/whatever supposed to 'autonagically' find the matching modules? Dec 03 19:13:58 MohammadAG, if youve got some time this evening can i double check packaging folders etc with you please? not sure i've got it right :P Dec 03 19:13:58 crappppppp. i have gone into a reboot loop! Dec 03 19:14:21 MohammadAG: The Nokia logo comes on and the devices reboot instantly Dec 03 19:15:02 trumee: time for rescue_initrd then? :-D Dec 03 19:15:36 * NooBmonk3y waves at RevdKathy Dec 03 19:17:23 DocScrutinizer: i guess i can flash the stock kernel back using ./flasher-3.5 -F stock_image --flash-only=kernel -f -R ? Dec 03 19:17:25 trumee, flash stock kernel, it's not that hard Dec 03 19:17:27 hey ho NooBmonk3y and RevdKathy \o Dec 03 19:17:33 :) :) Dec 03 19:17:44 * RevdKathy waves back at NooBmonk3y and lcuk Dec 03 19:17:44 trumee: not if you broke preinit Dec 03 19:18:16 DocScrutinizer: i replaced custom with 'uname-r'? that should still work. Dec 03 19:18:53 uname-r never works, unless you create a symlink or alias to uname -r Dec 03 19:19:01 if you broke preinit, you're pretty much done for with the current kernels Dec 03 19:19:43 symbian's music player is awesome Dec 03 19:23:28 MohammadAG, DocScrutinizer: ok, flashing the stock kernel brought it back to life. Dec 03 19:23:42 DocScrutinizer: yes, that's what I'm downloading Dec 03 19:24:18 DocScrutinizer: so 'uname -r' did work :) Dec 03 19:24:57 sure, but uname-r is a typo that won't Dec 03 19:25:33 DocScrutinizer: ah. yup. thanks Dec 03 19:26:24 MohammadAG: seems something went wrong when i copied the modules over. What can i create a debian package in scratchbox with -custom as the version? Dec 03 19:26:40 s/What/How Dec 03 19:27:25 MohammadAG: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b builds the stock -omap1 version? Dec 03 19:29:22 what about this : MAKE="make EXTRAVERSION=-custom -j 3" fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b Dec 03 19:29:51 Kentucky Announces Creationism Theme Park Dec 03 19:29:55 edit debian/rules Dec 03 19:31:22 MohammadAG: i dont see a omap1 string in debian/rules Dec 03 19:33:29 MohammadAG: ok, spotted #EXTRAVERSION := EXTRAVERSION-$(REVISION), should i uncomment this to EXTRAVERSION := EXTRAVERSION-custom? Dec 03 19:35:15 no Dec 03 19:35:18 DocScrutinizer: No idea why the device went into a reboot loop. The kernel modules were in /home/user/kernel, and i did for FILE in $(find . -name '*.ko'); do cp -rf $FILE /lib/modules/2.6.28-custom/ ; done Dec 03 19:35:25 change it to EXTRAVERSION := EXTRAVERSION=-custom Dec 03 19:35:31 they forgot the = Dec 03 19:36:28 MohammadAG: thanks Dec 03 19:37:19 WUT? Dec 03 19:38:31 MohammadAG: so after editing debian rules, i simply do 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b' ? Dec 03 19:38:52 http://www.gsmarena.com/meego_tablet_and_smartphone_leak_on_pictures-news-2116.php Dec 03 19:39:28 DocScrutinizer: the modules were in their own directories (net, fs, arch blah blah), so i used find to copy them over to a single directory Dec 03 19:39:35 or fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b -:P Dec 03 19:39:58 you all make my head hurt Dec 03 19:41:07 MohammadAG: oh no. It started with this '/scratchbox/tools/bin/make EXTRAVERSION=-custom rx51_defconfig'. and overwrote my .config file. Dec 03 19:41:59 MohammadAG: do i have to replace DEFCONFIG := rx51_defconfig as well? Dec 03 19:42:15 actually Dec 03 19:42:22 no, you don't Dec 03 19:42:57 MohammadAG: Then how do i stop it overwriting my .config file? Dec 03 19:43:01 here's how I do it with hostmode Dec 03 19:43:36 http://pastebin.com/U3rMmW67 Dec 03 19:44:05 I save the .config in debian/ then overwrite it right after that step Dec 03 19:47:00 MohammadAG: so i can replace your debian/rules with your pastebin file, copy my .config to debian/ and run the dbuild-package? Dec 03 19:47:28 yes, I doubt you want it to be called kernel-hostmode though! Dec 03 19:47:35 MohammadAG: yes, ofcourse :) Dec 03 19:47:41 just replace the configure-stamp: source-stamp section Dec 03 19:47:47 NooBmonk3y, ping Dec 03 19:47:54 X-Fade, you too, ping :P Dec 03 19:48:10 * NooBmonk3y pongs (badly) Dec 03 19:48:28 still need help with packaging? Dec 03 19:48:45 Just trying packing one more time, builds fine, just no app seeming to get installed :P Dec 03 19:48:49 will give it one more go :) Dec 03 19:48:58 Paste the debian/rules file Dec 03 19:49:04 k :) Dec 03 19:49:17 * MohammadAG ponders turning off his tmo PM feature Dec 03 19:49:28 everyone who needs to contact me knows my email Dec 03 19:49:38 lol Dec 03 19:53:25 MohammadAG, do it. Dec 03 19:53:41 :P Dec 03 19:55:16 GAN900, done :P Dec 03 19:55:48 moin Dec 03 19:56:03 This would be so much easier if there was a zip file ^.^ Dec 03 19:57:33 Hrm, so what I have to do, is create a symlink from nth config file to /etc/lirc/lircd.conf Dec 03 19:57:54 Fire a power button even, then do the same for the rest. Dec 03 19:58:18 Oh, and I need to start/stop lircd :/ Dec 03 19:58:44 Hrm, this could take some time .. Dec 03 19:58:54 Unless .. Dec 03 20:00:56 MohammadAG: in debian/rules, which one should i use FLASHER_PACKAGE := kernel-flasher or FLASHER_PACKAGE := kernel-custom-flasher ? Dec 03 20:02:00 $(PACKAGE)-flasher should work Dec 03 20:02:16 kernel-custom-flasher I suppose, depends on your $PACKAGE Dec 03 20:02:25 MohammadAG: i see. Dec 03 20:03:47 Oh, there is a .tar.bz2 of all the remotes. Dec 03 20:04:02 Silly me .. Dec 03 20:07:08 ls Dec 03 20:07:09 reset Dec 03 20:07:38 Though, I wonder how lircd would cope with a single config file with all remotes in ^.^ Dec 03 20:08:26 MohammadAG, is it snowing down there yet? ;) Dec 03 20:08:47 no, three cities are on fire though Dec 03 20:09:01 oh... erm, not good! Dec 03 20:09:49 just had a police car crash outside my window, well, spin anyway, was quite entertaining Dec 03 20:09:54 indeed, it's been on for +24h Dec 03 20:10:34 ooo ok healthcheck is now showing as 400kb, not 8kb, might be a bit better lol Dec 03 20:11:26 yay ok almost there!!! Dec 03 20:11:31 icon in the main menu Dec 03 20:11:36 but just highlights when i tap it ;) Dec 03 20:11:50 MohammadAG, you fixed that issue with maecount :p remember the fix? Dec 03 20:12:24 I already said that, twice :P Dec 03 20:12:51 check the .desktop file, chances are it's installed to /usr/bin/healthcheck/healthcheck Dec 03 20:12:58 which isn't in $PATH Dec 03 20:13:05 so you need to include the full path in Exec= Dec 03 20:13:12 its installed to opt/healthcheck Dec 03 20:13:17 ahh ok Dec 03 20:13:34 kinky, then do the same, include the full path Dec 03 20:14:23 w000p Dec 03 20:15:23 Exec=/opt/healthcheck/healthcheck Dec 03 20:15:27 assuming that is wrong lol Dec 03 20:15:34 should it just be Exec=/opt/healthcheck Dec 03 20:15:39 I hate israel's price logics Dec 03 20:15:51 no, but it's case sensitive Dec 03 20:15:57 I can haz deb file? Dec 03 20:15:59 it is all lower case Dec 03 20:16:03 even if it's broken, wanna check something Dec 03 20:16:08 lol okies Dec 03 20:16:10 oh right Dec 03 20:16:10 chmod +x it Dec 03 20:16:19 chmod +x /opt/healthcheck/healthcheck Dec 03 20:16:26 then use the menu icon, should work Dec 03 20:19:53 meh Dec 03 20:20:37 not sure who's more desperate, the guy who started the sex app thread, or the people following it Dec 03 20:20:48 hmmmmmm Dec 03 20:20:56 the deb doesnt match where i thought it was going Dec 03 20:21:03 and has the wrong version number Dec 03 20:21:05 random Dec 03 20:21:09 can I just have it? :P Dec 03 20:21:09 MohammadAG: hahaha Dec 03 20:21:43 target.path = /opt/usr/bin Dec 03 20:21:47 thats the problem Dec 03 20:22:23 moh, dcc'ing it Dec 03 20:22:34 I noticed, you minimized my game Dec 03 20:22:42 lol Dec 03 20:22:48 all on purpose lol Dec 03 20:22:48 * DCC RECV connect attempt to NooBmonk3y failed (err=Connection timed out). Dec 03 20:22:58 NooBmonk3y: no, the problem is your missing link from /usr/bin/hc to /opt/hc/hc Dec 03 20:23:31 :| Dec 03 20:23:40 moh http://ubuntuone.com/p/S1j/ Dec 03 20:24:43 DocScrutinizer, thank you i think, just dont quite understand what you said :) Dec 03 20:25:45 I say, unless you're very confused and your app doing absolutely nonstandard things, you usually want the executable itself or a link pointing to it, somewhere in $PATH Dec 03 20:25:59 well the exec is in /opt Dec 03 20:26:02 N.B. without editing PATH env Dec 03 20:26:06 and i can run it from terminal Dec 03 20:26:13 no you can't Dec 03 20:26:31 lol... erm, not sure how to respond to that :| Dec 03 20:26:35 LOL Dec 03 20:26:38 seriously Dec 03 20:26:43 i cd /opt and then ./healthcheck Dec 03 20:26:45 you should've spotted this, easily!!! Dec 03 20:26:48 Exec=/usr/bin/healthcheck Dec 03 20:26:50 BS!°!! Dec 03 20:26:54 and it's in /opt/usr/bin/healthcheck Dec 03 20:26:56 MohammadAG, a bottle of wine and a bad day says no :P Dec 03 20:27:16 MohammadAG, i cant see it in there on the device Dec 03 20:27:55 NooBmonk3y: that's not how terminal is supposed to work. Read my above explanation, maybe then you get an idea what to answer Dec 03 20:27:57 duh Dec 03 20:28:01 DocScrutinizer, no offence, you may consider me a dumbass, but i'm not lying! Dec 03 20:28:08 it should be Exec=/opt/usr/bin/healthcheck Dec 03 20:28:08 thats what i did Dec 03 20:28:20 MohammadAG: definitely NOT Dec 03 20:28:21 MohammadAG, but its not gone there on my device :| Dec 03 20:28:26 the deb says otherwise Dec 03 20:28:34 DocScrutinizer, err, huh? Dec 03 20:28:37 hmmm that deb confused me Dec 03 20:28:43 it doesnt seem to be what the pro etc says Dec 03 20:28:49 hold on Dec 03 20:28:51 let me git it Dec 03 20:28:59 DocScrutinizer, many maemo apps are coded with /opt in mind Dec 03 20:29:35 MohammadAG: since when is EXEC= including the fqn, while the executable itself may live in random locations outside $PATH? Dec 03 20:29:40 meh git terminated oh well Dec 03 20:30:08 i'm amazed how my confusion has once again upset DocScrutinizer :P Dec 03 20:30:47 DocScrutinizer, Exec= can be anything outside of $PATH, as long as the /full/path/to/it exists Dec 03 20:30:56 sure, it's not the Debian way, but neither is optification Dec 03 20:30:59 NooBmonk3y: do a echo $PATH in terminal, make sure your excutable or a link to your executable is in any of those directories Dec 03 20:31:25 /usr/bin:/bin Dec 03 20:31:28 DocScrutinizer, he doesn't have to Dec 03 20:31:32 NooBmonk3y, drop a script in /usr/bin/healthcheck that cds into your correct directory and then runs hc itself Dec 03 20:31:33 will double check them Dec 03 20:31:35 problem solved Dec 03 20:31:41 lcuk, why? Dec 03 20:31:41 where "any" doesn't mean "arbitrary" - there's rather clear rules what has to go where Dec 03 20:31:46 seriously, why include ANOTHER file? Dec 03 20:31:53 lol lcuk ;) Dec 03 20:32:01 MohammadAG, cos thats simplest if he wants to keep dev stuff in one place Dec 03 20:32:02 DocScrutinizer, its clear if you know :p Dec 03 20:32:19 for someone with no linux knowledge, and little coding experience, that knowledge doesnt just appear Dec 03 20:32:23 NooBmonk3y: your executable has to live either in /usr/bin or in /usr/sbin, depending on whether it needs root or not Dec 03 20:32:50 even more evily, putting binaries in / itself actually causes smoke to erupt from DocScrutinizer's head o_O Dec 03 20:33:09 Healthcheck is in neither of these folders/usr/bin:/bin Dec 03 20:33:11 * lcuk joking Dec 03 20:33:24 so do a ln -s /opt/healthcheck/healthcheck /usr/bin/healthcheck, for example Dec 03 20:35:56 or do what lcuk suggested Dec 03 20:35:56 MohammadAG: it failed with find: invalid predicate `-delete', make: *** [install-headers] Error 1 Dec 03 20:36:23 MohammadAG: http://pastebin.com/9nTca1ch Dec 03 20:37:42 * NooBmonk3y looks at lcuk and frowns Dec 03 20:37:43 NooBmonk3y: let me put it this way: if EXEC=healthcheck doesn't work, then not the EXEC= is wrong, but your package is misconfigured Dec 03 20:37:53 DocScrutinizer, finally you understand ;) Dec 03 20:37:55 lol Dec 03 20:38:21 all i was really asking was......... where is the actual part that says where it installs ;) - so i can then match that to the desktop file...... Dec 03 20:38:41 and whilst asking, where is the best place for it to go, /opt /usr/bin etc etc Dec 03 20:38:55 therefore i learn about the structuring, fix it, and understand a bit more :) Dec 03 20:39:16 NooBmonk3y: check that link in Dec 03 20:39:21 ~optification Dec 03 20:39:21 i heard optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence3 Dec 03 20:39:31 ahaaa ty Dec 03 20:39:40 both actually, but especially the second Dec 03 20:39:55 oh ok /opt woulda done Dec 03 20:40:00 it will give you an idea about where files live Dec 03 20:41:00 the FHS is to clean up issues like yours Dec 03 20:41:08 MohammadAG: hmm, your debian/rules is missing the find -delete in #kbuild fixes Dec 03 20:42:22 MohammadAG: ok, i have delete the find -delete line from my rules. is there any way to resume the package creation, or do i have compile again? Dec 03 20:42:30 NooBmonk3y: there's a well known inherent meaning of every single location in File Hierarchy, and you are better off learning about them and adhere to these guidelines Dec 03 20:43:00 trumee, use -nc Dec 03 20:43:05 dpkg-buildpackage -b -nc Dec 03 20:43:08 no clean Dec 03 20:43:15 PMSL @ the sex thread on tmo Dec 03 20:43:19 best quote: "If by some stray chance a woman actually agrees to a union at the physical level, the N900 can send a message to a thread on here declaring that the member has got laid. " Dec 03 20:43:39 MohammadAG: thanks Dec 03 20:43:42 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=888656#post888656 Dec 03 20:43:59 a FryDay thread actually Dec 03 20:44:05 Friday Dec 03 20:44:16 very muchly so DocScrutinizer Dec 03 20:44:51 MohammadAG: and now this, scratchbox/tools/bin/sh: line 2: /home/sbox/kernel-2.6.28/debian/kernel-custom-flasher.postinst.in: No such file or directory Dec 03 20:45:23 trumee, rename the .in file debian/ dir Dec 03 20:45:35 it's probably kernel-flasher.postinst.in Dec 03 20:49:06 MohammadAG: i ended up with kernel_2.6.28-20103103+0m5_armel.deb rather than kernel-custom_2.6.28-20103103+0m5_armel.deb Dec 03 20:50:10 MohammadAG: The beginning of my debian/rules was like this http://www.pastie.org/1345514 Dec 03 20:51:43 MohammadAG: my packages are called, kernel-debug_2.6.28-20103103+0m5_armel.deb, kernel-flasher, kernel-headers, kernel-modules-debug, kernel-modules-extra, and so on. But i do get a kernel-source_2.6.28-20103103+0m5_all.deb Dec 03 20:51:56 any idea why the packages are not being named properly? Dec 03 20:52:21 trumee, debian/control Dec 03 20:52:28 you need to change the names there too Dec 03 20:52:55 crap! Dec 03 20:53:08 hrm Dec 03 20:56:06 MohammadAG: i guess linux-kernel-headers remain as it is? Dec 03 20:57:56 Think I've got it :) Dec 03 20:58:04 Now to implement a binary search pattern. Dec 03 20:58:28 yeah Dec 03 20:59:10 MohammadAG: i get control errors now. http://www.pastie.org/1345547 Dec 03 20:59:58 delete debian/files Dec 03 21:03:56 Right, if I come back and my TV is off, I know that this may have worked :D Dec 03 21:04:02 MohammadAG: ok, finally it finished successfully. So now, i should install the following on the device, "kernel-custom kernel-custom-flasher kernel-custom-headers kernel-custom-modules kernel-custom-modules-extra" ? Dec 03 21:04:02 Either that or a power cut. Dec 03 21:04:51 no Dec 03 21:05:06 kernel-custom kernel-custom-modules kernel-custom-flasher should be enough Dec 03 21:09:21 MohammadAG: errors on install, http://www.pastie.org/1345580 Dec 03 21:10:22 sigh Dec 03 21:10:24 comment it out Dec 03 21:10:34 Heh, my TV magically turned off :D Dec 03 21:10:59 line 144 or something Dec 03 21:11:09 Now to work out which one it was ^.^ Dec 03 21:11:09 alterego, yay, script's working? Dec 03 21:11:19 It would seem so. Dec 03 21:11:21 MohammadAG: sorry dont understand/ Dec 03 21:11:30 alterego: :-D Dec 03 21:11:42 MohammadAG: should i force the installation? Dec 03 21:12:02 trumee, comment this out ln -sf $(KVER) $(CURDIR)/debian/$(MODULES_PACKAGE)/lib/modules/current in debian/rules Dec 03 21:12:09 i.e add a # Dec 03 21:12:16 and rebuild packages Dec 03 21:12:20 alterego: suggestion: use ALS and stop (not exit!) your script loop, when light from TV screen vanishes Dec 03 21:12:37 DocScrutinizer: I don't understand what you mean. Dec 03 21:12:46 DocScrutinizer: I'm just sending 'POWER' at the moment. Dec 03 21:12:53 yes Dec 03 21:13:07 [2010-12-03 22:02:25] Now to work out which one it was ^.^ Dec 03 21:13:53 * MohammadAG would suggest an n=n+1 + a sleep 3 Dec 03 21:14:04 MohammadAG: that would take way too long. Dec 03 21:14:11 I'm going to use a binary search pattern Dec 03 21:14:19 sleep 0.5 then Dec 03 21:14:21 if ALS just make sure your fingers are fast Dec 03 21:14:41 ALS = automatic light sensor I guess? Dec 03 21:15:03 So, you have a set of 100; you device the set into half, you fire the first half, then ask "Anything happen?", if they say yes, you know it's in that half. Dec 03 21:15:09 Then you keep doing that until you're left with one. Dec 03 21:15:22 MohammadAG: what about this error, dpkg: error processing kernel-custom_2.6.28-20103103+0m5_armel.deb (--install): trying to overwrite `/boot/zImage-2.6.28-20103103+0m5.fiasco', which is also in package kernel Dec 03 21:15:32 alterego, works for me :D Dec 03 21:15:39 the idea that is :P Dec 03 21:15:43 ;) Dec 03 21:16:12 alterego: use my AmbientLightSensor approach! make sure you got a program on TV that's not all night scenes Dec 03 21:16:52 alterego: alternatively use mic input to detect silence Dec 03 21:17:12 switch to MTV then, before starting the scan Dec 03 21:17:28 DocScrutinizer: yeah, that's not a bad idea actually. Dec 03 21:18:21 ideally you'd put the ALS directly in front of the TV's power-on indicator LED Dec 03 21:18:34 Heh, Dec 03 21:18:56 Then you'd lose transmitter fov Dec 03 21:19:14 MohammadAG: do i have force the zImage installation? Dec 03 21:19:19 overwrite it Dec 03 21:19:26 alas that will not pan out regarding direction of CIR emission Dec 03 21:19:40 I'm going to give the light sensor a go ;) Dec 03 21:20:34 Cool page: http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Hardware/N900 Dec 03 21:21:37 should work fine, if you just pause the script, maybe test for another 20s for light to come back (filter dark scene in TV movie), then print out the msg and SIGSTOP the script, so you (user) can SIGCONT it on erratic detect events Dec 03 21:22:11 hmm, haven't noticed mickey did this... Dec 03 21:25:21 Crap. Reboot loop again. Dec 03 21:25:49 MohammadAG: i device doesnt like my NAT enabling options. Dec 03 21:26:02 MohammadAG: s/i/guess Dec 03 21:28:31 alterego: hmm, a short summary of things easily to be found on wiki.maemo.org Dec 03 21:29:59 trumee: so maybe start with a 'custom' kernel that actually has no custom tweaks at all? Dec 03 21:30:21 DocScrutinizer: thats a good idea, going to try this out. Dec 03 21:30:23 make sure your basic procedure works Dec 03 21:32:39 DocScrutinizer: How can i get the .config file from kernel-power, maybe i can compare what modules it has enabled for NAT support. Dec 03 21:33:33 and base it off kernel-power, at least you have all debian/ stuff tweaked already Dec 03 21:33:44 RevdKathy, healthcheck - new version is in extras devel :) Dec 03 21:34:02 Just a demo, but tis shiny and new! Dec 03 21:34:03 I just saw on twitter. You want feedback? Dec 03 21:34:20 NooBmonk3y, will it kill my n900? Dec 03 21:34:30 Cos if not, I'll d/l it Dec 03 21:34:34 defintiley! :) - tis extras devel, but i cant see anything that will kill your n900 Dec 03 21:34:48 MohammadAG: yes, thats a good idea. Is there any way i can get their files? Dec 03 21:35:11 Hmmm can't actually find my n900. Might be sitting on it Dec 03 21:35:14 hahaha Dec 03 21:35:17 the bears stolen it! Dec 03 21:36:49 hmm. apt-get source kernel-power will probably do the trick. Dec 03 21:37:24 Goooodevening Dec 03 21:37:32 :p Dec 03 21:37:44 Powerkernel ? Dec 03 21:37:52 :) Dec 03 21:37:55 eveeeeeeeeeeening Dec 03 21:39:14 NooBmonk3y: how's that pronounced? Dec 03 21:39:33 Doyouknow how to "change" orsomething likethat "back" to "mybeloved" overclockable powerkernel (from theone from h-e-n) ;) Dec 03 21:39:36 ? Dec 03 21:39:37 trumee, when working with kernel-power, edit the rx51_powerconfig or whatever in debian/ Dec 03 21:39:43 DocScrutinizer, good question :P Dec 03 21:39:55 18th century copper styleeeee Dec 03 21:40:03 fladnag, type uname -r and post output Dec 03 21:40:19 Okey Dec 03 21:40:20 NooBmonk3y, I think the bears ran off with it to call their friends an Alaska and complain about the weather Dec 03 21:40:24 awwwwwwwww! Dec 03 21:40:26 Onemoment Dec 03 21:40:28 yeah tis darn cold! Dec 03 21:40:37 did you see my twit-pics today? :) Dec 03 21:40:39 fladnag: h-e-n recommends powerkernel since ~1 month now Dec 03 21:40:54 Wait Dec 03 21:41:04 fladnag: there's no such thing like a h-e-n kernel anymore Dec 03 21:41:15 NooBmonk3y, loved the shots of the icicles Dec 03 21:41:22 DocScrutinizer, I'm guessing he's on kernel-power, and he doesn't know it Dec 03 21:41:29 hahaha Dec 03 21:41:31 :-P Dec 03 21:41:35 Is ther a way to haveboth imean hen with overclock possibility Dec 03 21:41:41 hehe thats outside our HQ, happens every year due to a leaking gutter :P Dec 03 21:41:46 so, uname -r output Dec 03 21:41:50 now Dec 03 21:41:56 fladnag, yes, that's @ you Dec 03 21:42:02 MohammadAG: apt-get source kernel-power says E: Unable to find a source package for kernel-power Dec 03 21:42:28 add extras-devel to your sources.list file Dec 03 21:42:34 deb-src of course Dec 03 21:42:35 MohammadAG: i do have extras enabled in scratchbox. and apt-cache search kernel-power does show "kernel-power - Flashable Linux kernel" Dec 03 21:42:59 deb-src! Dec 03 21:43:06 MohammadAG: oops! ok Dec 03 21:43:20 copy the line again, but with deb-src instead of deb as the first word Dec 03 21:44:21 2.6.28.10power46 Dec 03 21:44:24 ..! Dec 03 21:44:46 ?? Dec 03 21:44:50 :) Dec 03 21:45:04 :-P Dec 03 21:45:27 Hmmmmm Dec 03 21:46:03 Mohamed? Dec 03 21:46:22 Mohamadag? Dec 03 21:46:38 heh? Dec 03 21:47:21 NooBmonk3y, wow! it's very different! Dec 03 21:47:41 hehehe! Dec 03 21:47:43 very! :) Dec 03 21:48:31 I postet something m. Seemed wanted to know tobe able to tellme what icould do about my inability to overclock with hen installed ..! Dec 03 21:49:06 :) can someone help me withthat? Dec 03 21:49:15 sorry, can't parse Dec 03 21:49:19 :P Dec 03 21:49:31 :p Dec 03 21:49:39 :) Dec 03 21:49:43 * DocScrutinizer throws a bucket of at fladnag Dec 03 21:50:15 Jeahjeah. .. Dec 03 21:50:27 :) Dec 03 21:51:03 Cool, well, I've found the power button :D Dec 03 21:51:10 also don't ask me about OC, you wouldn't like me for the answer you get Dec 03 21:51:30 fladnag, DocScrutinizer is like the anti-overclock-christ...... Dec 03 21:51:33 :?) Dec 03 21:51:34 And down Dec 03 21:51:39 ~omap-oc Dec 03 21:51:40 well, omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that! Dec 03 21:51:41 Kkk Dec 03 21:51:44 Mapped to the wrong f*ing stuff though :D Dec 03 21:53:48 Lets see if I can come up with a decent config :) Dec 03 21:54:15 so RevdKathy i'm hoping your little n900 is still alive, and survived the healthcheck experience? :0 Dec 03 21:54:32 Yes, thanks. Mo is still fine. :) Dec 03 21:54:41 yay! Dec 03 21:54:50 allthough, still alot to add to it :) Dec 03 21:54:58 Is it possible ? Dec 03 21:54:59 I'd be more concerned about it surviving the siting on it Dec 03 21:55:05 i'm proud of the test screens though, they took aaaaaaaaages :P Dec 03 21:55:08 Overclocking with hen Dec 03 21:55:12 ? Dec 03 21:55:21 yes Dec 03 21:55:29 :) Dec 03 21:55:52 DocScrutinizer, turned out it was in my glasses case. Not sat on at all Dec 03 21:55:59 you're free to fry your CPU for no good reason, while h-e-n stil working until you succeed in it Dec 03 21:56:21 And it is harmles like bevore ? (Worst case : restart) Dec 03 21:56:31 what? OC? Dec 03 21:56:32 ... My experience. .. Dec 03 21:56:45 Jes Dec 03 21:56:56 ~debin fladnag Dec 03 21:57:06 ~debian fladnag Dec 03 21:57:07 * infobot tells fladnag to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! Dec 03 21:57:09 jes? wtf Dec 03 21:57:16 ~tell fladnag about omap-oc Dec 03 21:58:11 I warned him, didn't I? Dec 03 21:58:28 OC never was harmless Dec 03 21:58:39 MEH, cya Dec 03 21:58:43 RevdKathy, big glasses case. Dec 03 21:58:47 ignore anything matan said Dec 03 21:59:09 GAN900 Yeah, it was wide opne, though Dec 03 21:59:12 open Dec 03 22:00:25 :P Dec 03 22:00:58 DocScrutinizer: you were write, even without any tweaks the device goes into a reboot loop Dec 03 22:01:12 DocScrutinizer: s/write/right Dec 03 22:01:37 DocScrutinizer: i installed Backupmenu2 on the device today, could that be an issue? Dec 03 22:03:02 MohammadAG: seems i have to first get atleast the stock kernel compiled as -custom to work before i start modifying it. Dec 03 22:04:43 MohammadAG: somehow i don't think n900s can feel pain Dec 03 22:07:44 Cool, I've found a function that isn't even on my remote :D Dec 03 22:08:08 lol Dec 03 22:08:12 NooBmonk3y, nice work Dec 03 22:08:21 yay just seen it? :) Dec 03 22:08:36 still only a preview, but wow, and thank you so much! Dec 03 22:09:00 Wow, found anothing new function, this one looks like some kind of system menu. Dec 03 22:09:13 lol alterego Dec 03 22:10:53 MohammadAG, any clue why even the stock .config wont boot up? Dec 03 22:11:12 This is fun :D Dec 03 22:11:26 Ha i checkt for the first time since a week orso for cpufrequi-mhz-config and the frequenzys higherthan 600 ARE BACK :D Dec 03 22:12:05 * NooBmonk3y is exhausted Dec 03 22:12:45 Without doing anything but a restart jesterday ..:) Dec 03 22:14:07 Do you know if its dangerous to use hdd,s usbsticks while im on 900mhz oc ? Dec 03 22:16:24 yes, Dec 03 22:17:50 Ohshit Dec 03 22:18:01 What should i do Dec 03 22:18:11 Instead Dec 03 22:18:14 ? Dec 03 22:18:19 Please Dec 03 22:18:22 :) Dec 03 22:18:45 * javispedro lols Dec 03 22:19:03 Goodnight all Dec 03 22:19:04 my n900 refuses to shutdown using systemui because "it is connected to a host computer and in use" Dec 03 22:19:16 night RevdKathy Dec 03 22:19:17 This is so much better than my factory remote Dec 03 22:19:19 :) :) Dec 03 22:19:19 of course, not even the cable is plugged in =) Dec 03 22:19:27 gnite RevdKathy ! Dec 03 22:19:30 I'm gonna have to wrap this in a nice UI Dec 03 22:20:59 Pleeease Dec 03 22:21:04 ??? Dec 03 22:21:30 To prevent something bad tomy n900baby Dec 03 22:21:45 ??? With hen & oc ????? Dec 03 22:24:12 This is so much fun :D Dec 03 22:27:05 I never thought I'd see the IR working, but this is really cool. Dec 03 22:29:08 did you `record' another remote or did you find an already ready config? Dec 03 22:29:23 (i know n900 cant record itself...) Dec 03 22:29:38 I wrote a script that cycles through all the ir configurations (which I downloaded from the lirc site) Dec 03 22:29:49 oh haha Dec 03 22:29:52 It found a remote that shared the same POWER function Dec 03 22:29:54 heh Dec 03 22:30:02 So now I'm remapping that configuration file for my TV Dec 03 22:30:06 * javispedro rembers one of those off-the-shelf universal remotes Dec 03 22:30:26 During the process I've found several menus that my TV remote can't do. Dec 03 22:30:39 There's a few shortcuts to sub menus as well, that's not on the factory remote. Dec 03 22:31:19 nice :) Dec 03 22:31:42 There's something odd with '2' though Dec 03 22:32:09 It selects channel 1 normally, but when sent as "1 2" it selects channel 12 perfectly :/ Dec 03 22:32:51 Ok but thankyou anyway Dec 03 22:35:33 LOL! Dec 03 22:35:52 This chief exec thing... ie, her following me on twitter is getting kinda scary! Dec 03 22:36:17 her last tweet, in reply to me saying almost time for xmas shopping was ........ @gregjroberts Go to @OxfamGB and buy them all a goat ;-) Dec 03 22:36:28 ah, the world of twitter. Dec 03 22:36:33 lol tis kinda funny Dec 03 22:36:51 she's one of the few people i know personally on twitter and its kinda funny Dec 03 22:36:59 how do I find out from python script in which network phone is connected (3g, 3,5g, 2g)? Dec 03 22:37:22 saltsa_, check the current healthcheck code in extras i think it says Dec 03 22:37:50 actually very sure it does Dec 03 22:38:05 just displays hsdpa etc.... so you may need to translate Dec 03 22:38:32 (dont use the devel code, as it's not python lol) Dec 03 22:50:36 i dont seem to have any modules.xx files (modules.symbols, modules.dep,modules.ccwmap etc) in my /lib/modules/2.6.28-custom. Could that be the reason why it is failing? Dec 03 22:55:32 javispedro: any idea? Dec 03 22:57:18 depmod -a generates modules.dep Dec 03 22:58:21 javispedro: what about other modules.xx files in /lib/modules, are they required? Dec 03 22:58:33 night alls :) Dec 03 22:59:26 javispedro: i tried to build a custom kernal WITHOUT any changes to the .config of the stock kernel. But this custom kernel causes a reboot loop to happen. Dec 03 23:00:26 The difference in the module directory of the -custom kernel and stock kernel are the missing modules.xx files. Dec 03 23:06:54 no idea about the other files. Dec 03 23:07:13 hi there, can somebody tell me what u-boot is? Dec 03 23:07:58 i've now seen it a couple of times but i can't kind of get what it is used for... is it anoother boot manager? Dec 03 23:15:18 javispedro: depmod -a will generate dependencies only for the running kernel. What about the kernel which is not running. Dec 03 23:15:33 read man page Dec 03 23:21:24 * ShadowJK now has a 48.84Wh external battery :> Dec 03 23:24:37 weighs about twice what N900 weighs Dec 03 23:26:53 Heh Dec 03 23:27:03 javispedro, DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG: yay! it works. Had to remove backupmenu and do a depmod -a 2.6.28-custom. and now it boots fine. Thank you Dec 03 23:30:36 actually the cables weigh about as much as n900 Dec 03 23:30:41 ShadowJK: where did you get yours from?! Ö.ö Dec 03 23:31:29 * ShadowJK should probably not have used 2.5mm^2... Dec 03 23:31:29 I just built it out of rc hobby parts :-) Dec 03 23:33:24 next step: build your own nuclear reactor :) Dec 03 23:34:04 I've been googling a bit about thermelectric power generation Dec 03 23:34:46 how about a portable hydrogen cell? we are in desperate need of that Dec 03 23:34:46 The ready kits seem to cost alot Dec 03 23:35:15 hybrid power! Dec 03 23:35:25 but i guess those kits are built out of something else than the cheap elements you find on ebay :/ Dec 03 23:37:32 Isn't it terrible how much acceptable quality costs? Dec 03 23:38:05 GAN900: depending on how long it lives.... no Dec 03 23:39:54 acceptable quality costs??? Dec 03 23:39:59 * javispedro keeps banging at the lenovo Dec 03 23:44:19 Now, I wonder if I can get the N900 to work as a replacement for my laptop's IR remote. Dec 03 23:45:36 I'd use lirc on the desktop to get codes Dec 03 23:47:03 (with a proper receiver ofc) Dec 04 00:10:59 ShadowJK: you actually MUST use 2.5mm^2 minimum, to keep parasitary resistance low Dec 04 00:14:04 for 1m, 11.1V and maybe 500mA? :P Dec 04 00:14:17 (IR RX) or use a 3.5mm 4pin plug, and solder a 2k from ring3 to tip(ring1), and a phototransistor or photodiode from rting1 to ring4(GND) Dec 04 00:14:40 11.1V?? O.o 500mA?? Dec 04 00:15:30 I thought you were talking about a true battery replacement, which mustn't have >100mR series parasitary Dec 04 00:15:48 preferably less Dec 04 00:16:19 and usually is like 4V @ 5A bursts Dec 04 00:18:26 our battery dummies at OM had a cable consisting of 40 1.5mm^2 braided for low inductive parasitary Dec 04 00:19:07 maybe 30, I never really counted them, but it was quite impressive Dec 04 00:23:07 No I have a 11.1V 4400mAh battery pack and some stuff to produce 5.35V 3A :-) Dec 04 00:23:25 and a usb port with d+/d- shorted :D Dec 04 00:23:31 oooooo Dec 04 00:23:34 aaah, so I suppose you connect this to the USB then Dec 04 00:23:37 is that commercailly available? Dec 04 00:24:12 chx: yes, Reisenweber Special Supply, built to order Dec 04 00:24:21 hahaha Dec 04 00:24:32 lol Dec 04 00:24:54 I don't have a good charger for it Dec 04 00:25:01 my 11.1V LiPo balance charger only outputs 800mA :P Dec 04 00:25:09 :-S Dec 04 00:25:31 anybody knows what Joikuspot Bouncer in Titans kernel does? Dec 04 00:25:32 you should charge each cell separately Dec 04 00:26:37 DocScrutinizer, the charge plug has 4 wires and the charger takes 4 wires. Guess what it does Dec 04 00:26:41 could use a SPSM with 3 * 5V output 100W, plus 3 dedicated Li charger chips Dec 04 00:26:59 :-) Dec 04 00:27:41 that's why it's called a "balance charger" Dec 04 00:27:44 trumee: *burp* what? Dec 04 00:28:03 It's probably Joikuspot's opensource kernel module rebuilt for titan's kernel? Dec 04 00:29:04 was wondering if it will be possible to run Joikuspot on my custom kernel (stock +NAT support). Dec 04 00:29:22 meh, yoghurt sport Dec 04 00:30:20 a solution invented for systems unaware of proper WLAN management, backported to a system that has native such management Dec 04 00:31:56 it's like towing away a ferrari as you forgot it has a starter button Dec 04 00:32:37 "See! I made it *roll*!" Dec 04 00:33:55 DocScrutinizer: since i paid for the app. might as well use it :) Dec 04 00:34:46 yeah, go use your rope, when you paid for it. Wait, didn't you pay for your Ferrari as well? Dec 04 00:35:52 whats this Joikuspot do, the same as mobilehotspot? Dec 04 00:35:57 I wish I could say "good, at least it doesn't wear out the Ferrari engine that way" but... Dec 04 00:37:14 trumee: maybe you can sell it on ebay? :-P Dec 04 00:37:39 nox-: basically yes, at least the purpose is the same Dec 04 00:37:55 i c Dec 04 00:38:09 well mobilehotspot is in the repos Dec 04 00:38:11 DocScrutinizer: I dont even have the deb file for it. Installed it directly from joikuspot website. Dec 04 00:38:19 needs kernel-power tho afaik Dec 04 00:38:30 nox-: never installed mobilehotspot. Dec 04 00:39:00 sure. Otherwise it might delete your beloved yoghurt Dec 04 00:39:24 and as you not even got a file to reinstall it... X-P Dec 04 00:39:34 nox-: dislike kernel-power, puslse-audio eats too much cpu on it. Dec 04 00:40:26 well i guess you could make a custom kernel with just the wifi ap mode bits... (has anyone?) Dec 04 00:40:31 that's probably no generic pk problem, but related to some odd patch to PA itself Dec 04 00:40:38 that comes with pk Dec 04 00:40:47 oh Dec 04 00:41:46 I can't see how PA cpu load is related to kernel Dec 04 00:42:15 I suspect that's the "no more stuttering" patch Dec 04 00:42:20 would fit Dec 04 00:42:32 what patch is that? Dec 04 00:42:32 DocScrutinizer: i dont know, the whole reason i made my own kernel today was because of that issue Dec 04 00:43:09 DocScrutinizer: stock kernel + NAT is what i wanted. Kernel-power did fit the bill, but pathetic cpu usage put me off. Dec 04 00:43:16 nox-: ask MohammadAG - he did several tests on that patch, and afaik he was first to do Dec 04 00:43:31 DocScrutinizer: and now with my own kernel, i dont have this problem any more. Dec 04 00:43:44 while there are many disadvantages to joikuspot tying it to IMSI is the stupidest thing. ever. Dec 04 00:44:22 great, so you could check which patch introduces this problem for your own kernel - would be a rather appreciated analysis Dec 04 00:45:00 IMSI???? Dec 04 00:45:06 you mean IMEI? Dec 04 00:46:30 tying anything to IMSI *really* would be a mega-stupid thing Dec 04 00:46:44 DocScrutinizer: IMSI. Not IMEI. Dec 04 00:46:51 as IMSI changes on each registration at carrier network Dec 04 00:46:53 DocScrutinizer: The past few hours have been very exhausting getting the kernel to work. Dont have the energy to break my kerne again. Dec 04 00:47:04 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mobile_Subscriber_Identity v.s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mobile_Equipment_Identity Dec 04 00:47:14 err, nope Dec 04 00:47:25 anyway it changes with SIM swap Dec 04 00:47:36 yes. Dec 04 00:47:38 correct. Dec 04 00:47:50 ISMI is tied to the SIM, IMEI is tied to the hardware Dec 04 00:47:51 OMFG Dec 04 00:47:51 DocScrutinizer: The kernel compilation is very slow using, fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b. is it possible to use multiple core during the compile? Dec 04 00:47:59 they tied it to SIM Dec 04 00:48:06 if you get a replacement sim you het a new IMSI Dec 04 00:48:17 hashtag: #epicfail Dec 04 00:48:21 what a crop of fools Dec 04 00:49:33 trumee: sure it is. but then otoh, changing e.g. PA related config options will not rebuild the kernel AIUI, just a very low number of modules Dec 04 00:50:22 it is possible that only the trial was Dec 04 00:50:29 there is a lot of confusion out there Dec 04 00:50:57 DocScrutinizer: can i do Make="make -j3" fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b to speed-up compilation? Dec 04 00:50:59 http://www.joiku.com/index.php?action=messages&mode=view&title_id=716 says Switching SIM cards is supported automatically so no license transfer needed there. Dec 04 00:51:02 yoghurt sport *IS* confusion, the whole operation principle is based on confusion Dec 04 00:51:25 trumee: nfc. looks good to me if it works like that Dec 04 00:53:24 anyway yoghurt sport is known to literally cok your device medium to welldone Dec 04 00:53:29 cook* Dec 04 00:53:46 heh it baked my E51 too Dec 04 00:54:06 not much choice ther.e Dec 04 00:54:21 there's a reported batery fatality on yoghurt + OC Dec 04 00:54:46 caused by overheating the cell Dec 04 00:55:13 oh nice! Dec 04 00:56:24 to me that's a clear indication those yoghurt devels had no bloody F'ng clue about correct programming Dec 04 00:56:53 and that while mobilehotspot already exists... Dec 04 00:57:08 first commandment, you MUST NOT bussy wait Dec 04 00:57:18 busy Dec 04 00:57:23 nox-: mobilehotspot doesnt heat up the device? Dec 04 00:57:37 I think it does as well, maybe a bit less Dec 04 00:57:42 at least id doubt it would busywait Dec 04 01:05:15 yeah, i guess just driving the wifi radio at top power for a prolonged time will cook the device Dec 04 01:08:41 DocScrutinizer, not entirely obvious which patch is related to PA in titans kernel Dec 04 01:09:16 trumee: :nod: A big problem Dec 04 01:09:24 capacitive sucks. Dec 04 01:09:30 YO Dec 04 01:10:44 the great alternative to a 16 key kbd phone Dec 04 01:10:52 ah! my everyday router reboot kicked in. Dec 04 01:10:57 not though for doing serious work Dec 04 01:11:19 need to reboot router everyday so that sip doesnt become choppy Dec 04 01:11:33 it is a great problem, as probably _ALL_ meego handsets are going to be capacitive... Dec 04 01:12:33 hehe. No Probelm here, as DSL disconnects anyway every 24h. I could as well reboot the router, it wouldn't do any additional harm. NAT sessions are lost during DSL down Dec 04 01:13:35 My cable connection is remarkably good. Dec 04 01:13:53 it's a joke. Originally this was invented to make IP change so you can't run proper server services via DSL. I got a fixed IP now, and still the 24h cut kicks in Dec 04 01:14:15 eh? thats... sick Dec 04 01:14:18 I think i had to adjust the udp timeout in my ddwrt based router to make sip happy. Dec 04 01:14:34 24h disconnect with a static ip i mean... Dec 04 01:14:43 yes Dec 04 01:14:55 t-kom, suckers Dec 04 01:14:57 whats the point???? Dec 04 01:15:40 all that does is making their static ip offering worthless Dec 04 01:16:15 their DSLAMs are configured to drop a connection after 24h. Even while my DHCP is by a separate provider now that offers fixed IP Dec 04 01:16:29 stupid Dec 04 01:16:53 I pay 10 bucks / month to manitu, just for the fixed IP Dec 04 01:17:09 mobilehotspot/joikuspot is pretty bad for energy use. wifi runs at a constant 250mA, and then the 3g to actually move bytes using 300-700mA... Dec 04 01:17:14 plus the usual fee for t-kom DSL Dec 04 01:17:27 and then joiku used to use 100% CPU to render its UI :) Dec 04 01:17:36 haha Dec 04 01:17:41 MUAAABWAHAHA Dec 04 01:17:50 the pretty speed graph that is Dec 04 01:17:57 omfg Dec 04 01:18:03 didn't I say "clueless idiots" Dec 04 01:18:36 I'm pretty sure they thought "Hmm.. so we made it work.. but what are we going to do about all this spare CPU and the big 800x480 display?" Dec 04 01:18:49 LOL Dec 04 01:18:53 hahaha Dec 04 01:19:06 I hope they used it to render mandelbrot Dec 04 01:19:20 as a wallpaper for their GUI Dec 04 01:19:36 It's becoming a trend here for mobile ISPs to have massive "connectivity suites" Dec 04 01:19:56 means? Dec 04 01:20:20 Completely themed UI, sliding "Latest news" widgets attached to the main connectivity window, which is a big green button (like 512x512 px) to press to connect/disconnect Dec 04 01:20:42 eeeew Dec 04 01:21:31 * DocScrutinizer feels like being exposed to a photo of george doublewho b. unadvertedly Dec 04 01:21:44 I.E. fighting the throw up Dec 04 01:22:11 oooh those are great Dec 04 01:22:47 *BURP* Dec 04 01:25:52 * GAN900 chuckles at European politics. Dec 04 01:26:36 DocScrutinizer, what is the advantage of fixed ip? Dec 04 01:27:51 connections stay up Dec 04 01:27:54 or would... Dec 04 01:27:59 dydns has been serving me for a few years now Dec 04 01:28:13 in theory it would allow me to have uninterupted connection to e.g. IRC. Alas as my NAT sessions go down on disconnect, the new port is not the old port so I have to re-register :-/ Dec 04 01:29:18 you're not in control of the NAT? Dec 04 01:29:48 esp with this braindead ZyXEL router/NAT even for assigned ports the outbound connection is from origin port != dedicated port Dec 04 01:31:39 right if you ran that in bridge mode and have a `real' box do the nat... Dec 04 01:31:45 then your links may stay up Dec 04 01:31:50 javispedro: I have port forward e.g public:5060->LAPTOP:5060. Still my SIP client on laptop, when opening localhost:5060->sipprovider:5060, gets a NAT outbound port of xy != 5060 Dec 04 01:32:25 why you'd want? Dec 04 01:32:35 *want that Dec 04 01:32:37 yeah Dec 04 01:33:03 natisbad Dec 04 01:33:06 * nox- oldschool, using freebsd for routing/nat... Dec 04 01:33:21 * javispedro is also using a zyxel device natting to a fixed ip Dec 04 01:35:40 javispedro: the zyxel "OS" isn't really bad. But buggy. And incredibly hard to configure. And basically undocumented Dec 04 01:36:33 and the WLAN, on using WPA, reboots the whole device every ~15min Dec 04 01:36:55 come to think of it Dec 04 01:37:00 I'm no longer using a zyxel. Dec 04 01:37:01 =) Dec 04 01:37:20 d-link dsl-something Dec 04 01:37:34 ZyXEL was awesome in the times of 2400baud modems Dec 04 01:37:40 or 9600 Dec 04 01:37:50 * nox- only had a zyxel pots modem once, 16k8... Dec 04 01:37:58 heh Dec 04 01:38:14 yep, those were the devices that made ZyXEL a name Dec 04 01:38:48 once i got adsl i let a freebsd box do the nat/routing, and have ever since here Dec 04 01:38:56 bult in POTS phone, incl TAM and all Dec 04 01:41:26 anyway... ""ZyNOS Firmware-Version: V3.40(AHS.2)b5 | 05/25/2007"" -> SCREAM and *run*! Dec 04 01:43:34 javispedro: you need STUN for that kind of crap Dec 04 01:43:50 javispedro: and it's correct behaviour for NAT Dec 04 01:44:15 errr, hmm Dec 04 01:44:47 STUN doesn't even work with ZyXEL class of NAT Dec 04 01:45:18 but it shouldn't matter Dec 04 01:45:28 as long you have port forwarding working Dec 04 01:45:48 what kind of crap? Dec 04 01:45:49 STUN fails with port forwarding, because... see above Dec 04 01:46:07 ah Dec 04 01:46:08 that doesn't matter Dec 04 01:46:16 it's RTP that's on 5060 Dec 04 01:46:26 nope Dec 04 01:46:26 and as long as external stuff can connect to you on that port Dec 04 01:46:29 it's all you need Dec 04 01:46:34 it's SIP on 5060 Dec 04 01:46:48 RTP is on arbitrary other ports Dec 04 01:46:53 jacekowski: that's actually my point -- "why you'd need it?". Dec 04 01:47:31 I could see a geek "Preferring" it Dec 04 01:47:41 (for ease of debugging, network monitoring, who knows) Dec 04 01:47:47 for sipgate e.g they suggest to use 5004..5007 Dec 04 01:47:51 for RTP Dec 04 01:48:27 SIP is perfect example how not to design something to work reliably in real world Dec 04 01:48:39 actually the RTP ports are negotiated in SIP SDP Dec 04 01:50:04 jacekowski: actually NAT is that perfect example Dec 04 01:50:27 NAT was here long time before SIP Dec 04 01:50:42 so what? still natisbad Dec 04 01:51:14 and manufacturers never seem to read BEHAVE Dec 04 01:52:23 hi i need help dont know what to do. Dec 04 01:52:34 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4787.txt Dec 04 01:52:42 i bought a usb female to female Dec 04 01:53:10 and cant seem to get host mode working with any devices Dec 04 01:53:17 :-S Dec 04 01:53:59 you are using most recent powerkernel, plus mohammad's GUI? Dec 04 01:54:50 you got a memstick or whatever with a LED and that LED lights up on hitting "VBUS" button in GUI? Dec 04 01:55:00 you had a look into dmesg? Dec 04 01:55:39 yes Dec 04 01:55:48 just reflashed a week ago Dec 04 01:56:07 what's your unmae -a ? Dec 04 01:56:08 so problebly up to date power kernel Dec 04 01:56:11 uname -a Dec 04 01:58:56 just to make sure, also paste the result of >> cat /proc/driver/musb_hdrc |grep Options Dec 04 01:59:59 i think i should reflash maybe and start over Dec 04 02:00:26 I think you shouldn't ask for help if you're not prepared to answer questions Dec 04 02:00:50 what do you mean? Dec 04 02:01:16 u never asked a question? Dec 04 02:01:31 oh sry didnt see Dec 04 02:01:45 ok, I gave commands which you didn't obey - if that's what you want to hear Dec 04 02:02:11 yes a lil usb card reader lit up Dec 04 02:02:20 but nothing ever mounted Dec 04 02:02:33 cant even get a keyboard to work Dec 04 02:02:43 :( Dec 04 02:03:20 [2010-12-04 02:46:14] you had a look into dmesg? Dec 04 02:03:31 [2010-12-04 02:47:22] what's your unmae -a ? Dec 04 02:03:40 [2010-12-04 02:47:26] uname -a Dec 04 02:03:49 [2010-12-04 02:50:11] just to make sure, also paste the result of >> cat /proc/driver/musb_hdrc |grep Options Dec 04 02:03:53 Pauly, are you new to *ix? Dec 04 02:05:10 hold on trying to paste Dec 04 02:05:38 Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10power46 #1 PREEMPT Thu Nov 18 17:04:59 EET 2010 armv7l unknown Dec 04 02:06:32 ok Dec 04 02:07:42 Pauly: you know for what to look in dmesg? Dec 04 02:07:42 musb-dma, otg (peripheral+host), debug=0 [eps=12], version_hostmode=20101110 Dec 04 02:07:50 good Dec 04 02:08:08 your h-e-n setup looks ok Dec 04 02:08:15 sry mouse cursor wouldnt let me type in this box Dec 04 02:08:53 you have most recent version of h-e-n installed? Dec 04 02:09:02 ya Dec 04 02:10:09 please try to connect a memory stick, then look into output of #> dmesg; and at end of that output search for lines containing "USB" Dec 04 02:10:17 DocScrutinizer: maybe lsusb could say then a lil more about if the cables are "working" when connected to the device he wants to use Dec 04 02:10:43 yep, also a possible way to check Dec 04 02:10:44 at least even if not mounted a device should say "hey i am here to talk to" Dec 04 02:10:53 yep Dec 04 02:11:08 well i know card reader lit up Dec 04 02:11:35 that doesn't mean much. It only indicates VBUS was procided from N900 Dec 04 02:11:35 Pauly: faulty pins at the card-reader? had a bunch of those happenings in the past Dec 04 02:11:57 DocScrutinizer: but neither would lsusb tell more, then dmesg is needed for further info Dec 04 02:12:14 errr yes Dec 04 02:12:18 i overlooked the fact he stated it got lit up Dec 04 02:12:19 even a simple usb keyboard wouldnt work Dec 04 02:12:37 so dmsg? Dec 04 02:12:47 yep Dec 04 02:12:51 or lsusb Dec 04 02:12:53 Pauly: i'd go and check there Dec 04 02:13:04 or both Dec 04 02:13:25 Pauly: do a dmesg, remember last timestamp Dec 04 02:13:36 then plug in any device and start hostmode Dec 04 02:13:42 dmesg | tail -n 30 Dec 04 02:13:46 then do dmesg again and check the new lines Dec 04 02:13:55 that would sort the last 30 messages from dmesg Dec 04 02:13:58 30 might be too small Dec 04 02:14:08 might be more easily Dec 04 02:14:18 like 50 or 70 Dec 04 02:14:44 i reinserted my mouse and that got me 9 events with the disconnect Dec 04 02:15:09 I could give you a cmdline to do the lookup and sort out of new lines. But honestly it's easier you do it manually Dec 04 02:15:17 ok Dec 04 02:15:32 ima try keyboard Dec 04 02:15:37 ok, hdd gives me round 30 with partition tables and such... Dec 04 02:16:06 boot device, attach mouse, start h-e-n GUI, do dmesg for last line lookup, click the buttons in h-e-n GUI, check in dmesg for new lines Dec 04 02:17:28 Pauly: nota bene h-e-n isn't completely tested for stoping and restarting hostmode. That's why I recommend you boot and then do tests on first try Dec 04 02:17:54 i shall do so Dec 04 02:18:04 thanks Dec 04 02:18:38 you might do a #>dmesg | tail -n 100 >xxx.txt Dec 04 02:18:59 i guess i shall fo sleeping, again way too long awake, but this time getting to love my beautiful n900 more than hating it ^^ i guess i will soon use it for some emulators :) Dec 04 02:19:00 and pastebin that file xxx.txt and leave the pastebin URL here Dec 04 02:19:33 DocScrutinizer: ">>" appends to the end of the file and might be better in case he wants to compare then later Dec 04 02:20:25 I'd suggest he's using two files instead, if he really wants to compare anything Dec 04 02:21:02 you want to get him using "touch file_3" diff -ru file_1 file2 >> file_3" ^^ Dec 04 02:21:06 I meant he's doing the dmesg|tail *after* trying to connect kbd though Dec 04 02:21:13 ahhh ok Dec 04 02:21:23 thought a before-after check Dec 04 02:21:30 to see if it even found anything Dec 04 02:21:40 I'm not interested in anything before Dec 04 02:23:17 Pauly: you could do me a favour and close and reopen the N900 kbd slide immediately prior to hitting h-e-n GUI buttons Dec 04 02:23:30 will create a nice mark in dmesg Dec 04 02:24:53 then after trying to connect to the usb kbd, do the dmesg|tail -n 100 >xxx.txt, and upload xxx.txt to pastebin.com or whatever service you like Dec 04 02:24:58 ~pastebin Dec 04 02:24:58 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. Dec 04 02:25:09 sigh. Dec 04 02:25:11 what was that cmd Dec 04 02:25:16 I think *one* service is enough Dec 04 02:25:18 javispedro: what's up? Dec 04 02:25:53 Doc Dec 04 02:25:56 ? Dec 04 02:26:13 what was that command i was supposed to type Dec 04 02:26:27 dmesg|tail -n 100 >xxx.txt Dec 04 02:26:27 lol i rebooted and lost my clipboard Dec 04 02:27:12 which will create a file xxx.txt, err mompls Dec 04 02:27:33 dmesg|tail -n 100 >~user/MyDocs/xxx.txt Dec 04 02:27:59 which will create a file xxx.txt on your "N900" MyDocs storage Dec 04 02:28:15 you should be able to upload that file to pastebin.com Dec 04 02:28:26 didnt work Dec 04 02:28:34 can i paste here? Dec 04 02:29:17 [ 333.522705] WARNING: at /home/builder2/maemo-fremantle-armel-extras-devel/work/kernel-power-2.6.28/drivers/usb/musb/musb_host.c:128 musb_h_tx_flush_fifo+0x94/0xcc()n[ 333.522735] Could not flush host TX0 fifo: csr: 000a Dec 04 02:29:34 ???? Dec 04 02:30:59 don't paste long passages here, everything >3 lines or so is considered spam and will earn you a kick Dec 04 02:31:29 pastebin.com is shit. has no file upload. I'm sure I've seen this option on other pastebin services Dec 04 02:31:41 .ca has upload iirc Dec 04 02:31:58 pauly_: ignore that warning Dec 04 02:32:34 though itz's a serious WTF. just for the file path in it Dec 04 02:33:35 looks more like a kernel OOPS Dec 04 02:33:57 reinstall kernel power Dec 04 02:34:11 i think i should start there Dec 04 02:34:25 your kernel looks ok Dec 04 02:34:34 no use in renstalling it Dec 04 02:35:33 it's a 'good' kernel (it is appropriate for that purpose) and it boots up Dec 04 02:35:45 so there's nothing a reflash could fix Dec 04 02:36:15 I hope you got no multiboot installed Dec 04 02:36:17 http://pastebin.ca/2010167 Dec 04 02:36:24 no Dec 04 02:36:34 havent tried that yet Dec 04 02:37:05 HELL - starts with a cut off kernel OOPS Dec 04 02:37:25 that musb_host.c really looks unhappy... Dec 04 02:37:52 doesn't matter, it's duplicated Dec 04 02:38:06 >>>>>>>>>> frals <<<<<<<<< i believe frals is our first download millionaire. Dec 04 02:38:21 well done dude :) Dec 04 02:38:28 * javispedro claps Dec 04 02:38:52 * ds3 wonders what is going to happen to all those 999,999 download bots ;) Dec 04 02:38:58 ouch, that's a really bad pathological case Dec 04 02:39:15 nox-: indeed Dec 04 02:39:45 pauly_: please update power kernel to latest, which afaik is >=47 Dec 04 02:40:27 pauly_: this kernel indeed is bad, or you found a bug in hostmode Dec 04 02:40:42 ok lol Dec 04 02:40:46 my bad Dec 04 02:40:57 i think it is latest Dec 04 02:41:15 repository says it is Dec 04 02:41:19 nah, not at all. there shouldn't be no diffs between 46 and 47 wrt hostmode Dec 04 02:41:57 im lost??? Dec 04 02:41:58 * javispedro lols at some adobe cool-aid drinker in tmo Dec 04 02:42:13 pauly_: I'm actually not up to date what powerkernel does Dec 04 02:42:39 MohammadAG: ping Dec 04 02:42:58 so i should reflash? Dec 04 02:43:02 is there a powerkernel that does not cause one to loose features? Dec 04 02:43:17 reinstall power kernel. Yes probably a good idea Dec 04 02:43:23 ok Dec 04 02:43:30 thank you Dec 04 02:43:36 ill do that now Dec 04 02:43:53 don't say thanks right now. I doubt this will cure the issue Dec 04 02:43:55 how to check which kernel i have? Dec 04 02:44:01 oh no lol Dec 04 02:44:09 uname -a Dec 04 02:44:18 thanks Dec 04 02:44:27 Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10power46 Dec 04 02:44:35 you got pk46 Dec 04 02:44:59 pauly_, are you using an usb hub? Dec 04 02:45:05 afaik there are newer ones Dec 04 02:45:26 nox-: why? Dec 04 02:45:40 i dunno, maybe theres some bug... Dec 04 02:45:48 (just guessing :) Dec 04 02:45:54 mhm Dec 04 02:46:20 no Dec 04 02:47:00 do you get the same dmesg with different usb devices? Dec 04 02:47:11 gotta reboot lol just uninstalled kernel Dec 04 02:47:41 so dont get 46 Dec 04 02:47:43 right Dec 04 02:47:57 pauly_: you tried with all three available speeds ? (lowspeed, fullspeed, highspeed) Dec 04 02:48:10 yes Dec 04 02:48:21 :-S Dec 04 02:48:28 a wireless mouse Dec 04 02:48:34 keyboard Dec 04 02:48:47 and card reader all diff speeds Dec 04 02:49:26 hm how do you check hw revision again? maybe its related to that? Dec 04 02:50:05 pauly_: and you did click the buttons how exactly? please describe Dec 04 02:51:14 speed Dec 04 02:51:28 then vbus Dec 04 02:51:40 then enumerate Dec 04 02:52:31 which timing? Dec 04 02:52:55 all of them at diffrent times Dec 04 02:53:12 rebooting brb Dec 04 02:58:00 heh Dec 04 02:58:33 on some spanish forum, someone suggested in a "n900 host mode tutorial", that the N8 usb host cable worked Dec 04 02:58:47 net result=tens of posters complaining they wasted €13 Dec 04 02:59:33 ah, the wonders of third party "tutorials". **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Dec 04 02:59:59 2010