**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 05 02:59:58 2010 Dec 05 03:00:05 in person? Dec 05 03:00:10 yes Dec 05 03:00:22 ah well Dec 05 03:00:39 space-x launching soon Dec 05 03:00:45 next few days Dec 05 03:01:06 falcon/dragon Dec 05 03:01:13 heh Dec 05 03:01:25 5 hours Launch and separate from Falcon 9, orbit Earth, transmit telemetry, receive commands, demonstrate orbital maneuvering and thermal control, re-enter atmosphere, and recover Dragon spacecraft Dec 05 03:03:46 a proper orbit? Dec 05 03:05:46 SpeedEvil, essentially the same mission as sputnik? Dec 05 03:06:31 nah, sputnik went beep. Dec 05 03:06:32 hehe Dec 05 03:07:00 lcuk: No. Dec 05 03:07:05 also, reentered in a way highly incompatible with words like "recovery" Dec 05 03:07:11 BCMM_, would you manage to do much more than beep if you had a rocket up your arse? Dec 05 03:07:17 lcuk: Reenter under control, come to a safe landing that would not have killed the crew Dec 05 03:07:27 SpeedEvil, roger Dec 05 03:07:31 lcuk: i hope never to find out. Dec 05 03:07:36 :D Dec 05 03:07:38 xD Dec 05 03:07:41 lcuk: It's a test of a supply capsule for ISS that can return crew to earth. Dec 05 03:08:05 but not take them up? Dec 05 03:08:05 is this being broadcast on NASA? Dec 05 03:08:21 lcuk: no - however it's webcast Dec 05 03:08:33 BCMM_: in principle, take them up too. Dec 05 03:08:37 SpeedEvil, good enough Dec 05 03:08:41 they want to send it up with food and bring it down with people? are they breeding humans in space now? Dec 05 03:09:03 exposing bacon to atomic particles and anything is possible. Dec 05 03:09:13 http://www.spacex.com/updates.php Dec 05 03:09:13 ewww. Dec 05 03:10:00 eek they aborted a static fire after lighting the touch paper Dec 05 03:10:29 The really nice thing is that they can abort even with the engines lit. Dec 05 03:10:41 Do that with a shuttle, and you're probably dead. Dec 05 03:10:54 SpeedEvil: so is it supposed to be the way they send people to the station, or just a supply craft you can put people on if you have to? Dec 05 03:11:23 BCMM_: As I understand it, they've only got a contract for cargo Dec 05 03:11:33 but it could be certified for people Dec 05 03:11:43 (so that next time they have trouble with their intended ride they can throw some astronauts out with the rubbish) Dec 05 03:11:45 Hotlix Tequila Flavor Lollie with Worm Dec 05 03:11:46 http://www.americancandy.de/product_info.php?cPath=89&products_id=1902&osCsid=f3c52758ca6d444bfe48bd39ffdb5113 Dec 05 03:13:01 pupnik, :) we had those at Ricks stag do Dec 05 03:13:20 errr lads camping weekend/big pissup Dec 05 03:15:09 ewwwww :) Dec 05 03:16:21 the chocolate ants were worse Dec 05 03:16:42 or was it the scorpion Dec 05 03:16:52 * lcuk gets the photos out Dec 05 03:20:21 I've powered up the VMS system now, and as soon as the TCP/IP subsystem comes up, I'll see what state it's in... Dec 05 03:20:25 oop, #wrong Dec 05 03:20:36 http://liqbase.net/rick.stag.lolly.20100710_038.jpg Dec 05 03:21:03 pupnik, the real drink tastes better Dec 05 03:44:14 wow lol lcuk Dec 05 03:49:18 I still cant figure out why the bad quality Dec 05 03:49:39 when using skype echo service call Dec 05 03:49:59 It's terrible Dec 05 03:50:25 can't make a decent call using skype that I need badly Dec 05 03:50:45 sluggish and can't hear properly Dec 05 03:51:19 Skype was released to the public in August of 2003 Dec 05 03:51:20 Skype was officially bought by e-Bay in October of 2005 and paid 2.6 Billion dollars Dec 05 03:51:24 >_< Dec 05 03:52:41 toresbe: did you port VMS to the N900? Dec 05 03:52:56 THAT would be something! Dec 05 03:53:42 chx: well, I ran it in an emulator :) Dec 05 03:54:07 toresbe: what emulator? Dec 05 03:56:49 i know that Hercules run on the N900 which is absolutely mind boggling Dec 05 03:58:40 simh Dec 05 03:58:47 yeah, it's fantastic :) Dec 05 03:59:05 Hercules? Dec 05 04:00:23 toresbe: simh???????? Dec 05 04:00:46 toresbe: http://simh.trailing-edge.com/ ? how this runs on N900? Dec 05 04:01:03 blackthorne: Just in case you need to clean some really dirty stables. Dec 05 04:06:22 blackthorne: IBM mainframe emulator. Dec 05 04:06:42 blackthorne: it's fun to put an N900 on the table of a System/360 operator's console. Dec 05 04:07:03 And think that the telephone is software-emulating the System/360 faster than real time. Dec 05 04:07:20 LOL Dec 05 04:07:33 haha Dec 05 04:07:41 the 360 is older than me Dec 05 04:07:47 yeah Dec 05 04:08:01 but the N900 can't hold a candle to the 360, blinkenlightswise Dec 05 04:08:45 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:360-91-panel.jpg totally not. Dec 05 04:08:56 the big problem is my friend is using N97 and he is hearing me fine and crystal clear, but I dont while I have N900 Dec 05 04:09:10 using skype ofcourse. Dec 05 04:09:48 toresbe: Surely the screen has more pixlets (i.e. 3 colors per pixel) than it had lights? :p Dec 05 04:10:00 also MTBF of a 360 is better I bet Dec 05 04:10:50 DocScrutinizer: failureS? Dec 05 04:11:07 DocScrutinizer: my friend, IBM mainframes do not have a single failure much less several :D Dec 05 04:11:26 my point Dec 05 04:11:47 I tried everything! and still I get bad quality on skype when calling echo test service Dec 05 04:11:54 cant remember what redundancy the 360 had but i think the 390 already had the several-cpus-executing-shit-and-voting-on-the-result feature.... Dec 05 04:12:10 my friend has better quality on his N97 Dec 05 04:12:22 better than me! on my N900! Dec 05 04:12:30 ALOT BETTER! Dec 05 04:12:31 the MTBF of a 360 was pretty bad Dec 05 04:13:07 chx: the IBMs weren't the first to do that, but probably one of the earliest to do it commercially. Dec 05 04:13:17 that is, in a general-purpose setting Dec 05 04:13:40 the 360 had some checksumming features. Dec 05 04:14:05 The 360/91 and 95 were highly paralellized - with "imprecise interrupts" Dec 05 04:14:32 the CPU was so pipelined that when you hit an interrupt, it couldn't tell you exactly where you struck it. ISTR you got a base and a margin of error. Dec 05 04:14:51 HAHA Dec 05 04:15:15 toresbe: may i ask when you started computing? Dec 05 04:15:26 so what? who cares about when IRQs really happened Dec 05 04:15:31 I'm 88-vintage. I'm just slightly more interested in retro stuff than others ;) Dec 05 04:15:50 toresbe: ah Dec 05 04:16:02 doesnt coherent to Nokia N900 philosophy, to have a proprietary plug for the head set... Dec 05 04:16:05 chx: is that a camera on the desk to the right of the console? Dec 05 04:16:08 toresbe: i thought you were Atanasoff's assistant or something :) Dec 05 04:16:11 hahaha Dec 05 04:16:15 toresbe: ? Dec 05 04:16:30 does look like a camera, yes Dec 05 04:16:33 you'll love these then http://www.tentacle.franken.de/m80/index.html Dec 05 04:16:43 those were quite a bit of fun Dec 05 04:16:53 back in the 80s Dec 05 04:16:56 wouldn't work with the display - that's a 2250, which is a vector display Dec 05 04:16:57 blackthorne, mh? i plugged std 3.5mm headphones in and heard stuff... Dec 05 04:17:14 "RAM was buffered for more than 12 hours in case of a power outage" nice DocScrutinizer Dec 05 04:17:26 DocScrutinizer: OH! I HAD one of those! Dec 05 04:17:35 Also, by using a turnknob, some memory areas can be locked from access by the processor Dec 05 04:17:38 yeah, it had something size of 2 car batteries inside Dec 05 04:17:38 AHAHAVAHAHHAHAA Dec 05 04:17:59 I never figured out wth it was supposed to be. Dec 05 04:18:23 really? i cant and someone on the channel confirmed as being impossible for non nokia devices Dec 05 04:18:41 I use standard earphones in my N900. No problem. Dec 05 04:18:46 Siemens had a strong partnership with Tandberg Data in Norway, who made the terminals. Dec 05 04:18:54 The terminals really are excellent. Dec 05 04:19:36 blackthorne: WTF? the 3.5mm AV receptacle is as standard as it can get Dec 05 04:19:37 "sichtstation"! Fantastic. Dec 05 04:19:52 DocScrutinizer: not quite - embrace and extend - for TV out and handsfree Dec 05 04:19:56 DocScrutinizer: maybe he means that you can run video over it? Dec 05 04:20:18 a mini hdmi connector would've been nice. Dec 05 04:20:47 http://members.omtp.org/Lists/ReqPublications/Attachments/36/OMTP_Local_Connectivity_Wired_Analogue_Audio_v1_0.pdf Dec 05 04:21:17 or a hdmi micro :) Dec 05 04:21:53 DocScrutinizer: reminds me of the ND-100/5000 system I have Dec 05 04:22:35 night Dec 05 04:22:45 well, it was rather convenient to fetch another cup of tea while the compiler was running Dec 05 04:22:49 DocScrutinizer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ND-TDV-2215.jpeg is Tandberg's original Dec 05 04:23:32 oh yes. Clearly a DS075 Dec 05 04:27:26 DocScrutinizer: http://toresbe.at.ifi.uio.no/nd/nd100/video3.mov Dec 05 04:27:29 blackthorne: every friggin 4.99 head-set/phones will work with N900 Dec 05 04:28:07 except if it's a special build for non-standard devices Dec 05 04:28:22 s/if /when Dec 05 04:29:07 bbl Dec 05 04:29:28 N900's AV connector is standard for headphones connecting since Sony came up with walkman Dec 05 04:32:21 maybe my apple headset is the one failingon the standard part Dec 05 04:32:33 you bet on that Dec 05 04:32:41 seems standard though Dec 05 04:32:51 it actually isn't Dec 05 04:33:44 or at least there were versions that weren't, and also there were lots of odd builds Dec 05 04:34:09 like 1mm longer plugs Dec 05 04:34:39 GND not on base of plug Dec 05 04:34:53 inverted polarity of micbias, due to that Dec 05 04:34:58 whatnot else Dec 05 04:35:03 crazy Dec 05 04:35:21 started with special mics for apple computers Dec 05 04:35:29 cool, like to know that Dec 05 04:36:12 what can you do in N900 to save some battery? Dec 05 04:36:29 you can completely destroy a standard device by forcing in an apple 3.5mm plug that's 1mm too long Dec 05 04:37:18 blackthorne: kick out apps that use much CPU cycles or frequent internet data transmissions Dec 05 04:37:28 reduce screen brightness Dec 05 04:37:46 ok, so no non obvious stuff Dec 05 04:38:00 if you follow those simple rules, you get rather good or even awesome battery standby times Dec 05 04:38:18 2 days? Dec 05 04:38:36 easily, even with IRC on 8 chan via WLAN Dec 05 04:38:50 xchat Dec 05 04:38:59 my maximum is 1 day Dec 05 04:39:24 using GSM only Dec 05 04:39:46 my mere idle standby of a completely disconnected N900 was some 9 days Dec 05 04:39:57 and switching WLAN off when not in use Dec 05 04:40:11 with aggressive custom breathing light Dec 05 04:40:35 of course that i do use it for sms and phone calls Dec 05 04:40:56 via GSM/UMTS I had >24h with IRC Dec 05 04:41:50 i use a tool to monitor my battery display some graphs Dec 05 04:42:28 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management Dec 05 04:42:46 haha on tool, it is not a monitor but a batery eater Dec 05 04:45:44 hi sry i looked online but couldnt find out the model number of the charger for n900 Dec 05 04:46:05 is it ac-10u Dec 05 04:46:07 ? Dec 05 04:46:45 i bought mine used so i never had the oem charger Dec 05 04:49:36 depends Dec 05 04:49:56 mine here is AC10E Dec 05 04:50:11 E as in Europe Dec 05 04:50:24 ahh Dec 05 04:50:31 well im in usa Dec 05 04:50:34 so u Dec 05 04:50:53 would be for me yay Dec 05 04:52:02 btw i gave up on usb host, i dont need it. i reflashed and dont want break my phone that i use all day everyday lol but thanks Dec 05 04:54:22 hostmode is safe Dec 05 04:54:40 no way to *break* your N900 Dec 05 04:54:58 except mechanically with clunky adapters Dec 05 04:56:49 i know but im gonna return my usb adapter Dec 05 04:58:01 and buy oem charger and ca-101 Dec 05 04:59:09 anyway thanks for testing and reporting Dec 05 05:02:31 i just get agervated of the the ppl on youtube using hostmode and for me nothing works!!!! Dec 05 05:03:06 9 euro for a bag of cheetos crunchy cheese Dec 05 05:03:27 thanks Federal Reserve Dec 05 05:05:44 vimeo.com shows on the official maemo site, to emphatize flash support on the n900. is anyone able to see a single video there? Dec 05 05:23:55 DocScrutinizer: you had more than 24 hours with IRC? Obviously that was without turning the screen back on to check it every now and then, because doing that I was able to get 5 hours Dec 05 05:39:53 pupnik: 9€ for cheetos? that must be a big bag! Dec 05 06:00:25 8 oz Dec 05 06:46:29 GeneralAntilles: lol, just found a whole thread about ABL on N900 that i didn't know existed :P Dec 05 06:47:46 is jonny lamb happened to be here? Dec 05 07:50:10 hmmpf Dec 05 07:50:15 IroN900:/var/log# ls Dec 05 07:50:16 btmp dpkg.log lircd maemo-optify-boottime.log oopslogtail pycentral.log softupd.log syslog wtmp Dec 05 07:51:25 the name oopslogtail is particularly funny for me Dec 05 07:54:28 damn this new harry potter movie is the worst of the lot Dec 05 08:05:33 nidO: around? Dec 05 08:46:10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyzOUbkUf3M [ The Next Generation of Neural Networks ] ffwd to 24 minutes to see the brain thinking Dec 05 08:54:12 "White House forbids feds from reading WikiLeaked cables" Dec 05 09:01:48 lol Dec 05 09:03:22 RST38h: source? Dec 05 09:03:54 because i have a feeling you're quoting a US dept of state advisory reminding employees that reading the cables on an insecure network is illegal, as they're still considered classified Dec 05 09:05:05 lol classified and out to the public? Dec 05 09:06:27 them being leaked doesn't remove their classified status Dec 05 09:07:05 but everyone can read them on an insecure network Dec 05 10:09:42 hello Dec 05 10:09:57 pupnik: yep Dec 05 10:10:38 can somebody help me? i need to add qt4 repo to diablo but it always fails to refresh Dec 05 10:12:29 nobody? Dec 05 10:13:29 hi huee Dec 05 10:13:40 what repo is that? Dec 05 10:13:46 (url) Dec 05 10:14:10 qt4.garage.maemo.org Dec 05 10:15:22 doesn't look like a repo to me Dec 05 10:15:34 try folder /dists Dec 05 10:17:13 sup maemites Dec 05 10:17:46 if you try to access it through web browser it redirects to wiki.. Dec 05 10:17:46 mobile hotspot is failing out of the blue for me Dec 05 10:17:51 no idea what to do either Dec 05 10:18:16 ok i see. http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/dists/chinook/extras/binary-armel/ Dec 05 10:18:18 etc Dec 05 10:18:31 yep, thats it Dec 05 10:19:59 im gonna try joiuspot Dec 05 10:21:26 hi, any idea why changes to transitions.ini aren't taking effect on my n900 anymore? Dec 05 10:22:46 got a theme with custom transitions appled Dec 05 10:23:22 oh, got it working now.. just hardcoded /dists/chinook/extras to url.. thx for help ;) Dec 05 10:23:56 how do i know which folder the currently used transitions.ini is in? Dec 05 10:24:11 how can i know* Dec 05 10:24:15 * NooBmonk3y waves Dec 05 10:24:16 morning alls Dec 05 10:24:33 * TiagoTiago waves back Dec 05 10:25:20 idk, never themed my device Dec 05 10:27:49 uhhh guys Dec 05 10:27:58 I cant seem to find the joikushop repository Dec 05 10:28:01 is it down? Dec 05 10:31:12 no Dec 05 10:31:42 gotta reboot, brb Dec 05 10:32:38 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdIjCSi1XOk 1993: The open source "Flame" algorithm (xscreensaver) Dec 05 10:40:43 * MohammadAG attempts to hildonize xchat Dec 05 11:00:13 why does libglade require mono? Dec 05 11:00:44 nidO: can you private message me please? Dec 05 11:04:05 pupnik, where? Dec 05 11:06:22 Morning, all Dec 05 11:07:30 andre__: at least it pulled it in on my debian sid box andre__ Dec 05 11:07:42 probbly a recommended package Dec 05 11:08:23 I'd be surprised as until one year ago or so mono required libglade Dec 05 11:08:57 plus libglade is as dead as possible... Dec 05 11:20:54 MohammadAG, ping Dec 05 11:21:50 pong Dec 05 11:22:18 just thinking about adding HeAboutDialog (Hildon-extras thingy) - is there a quick example anywhere? Dec 05 11:22:34 the wiki page goes on alot, but no examples of how to add :P Dec 05 11:22:53 Umm Dec 05 11:22:55 sticky-notes Dec 05 11:23:01 cool Dec 05 11:23:07 Venemo's app :) Dec 05 11:23:33 meh php Dec 05 11:23:44 i must be looking at the wrongone lol Dec 05 11:24:00 o_O Dec 05 11:24:10 found it Dec 05 11:24:54 I should probably check irc more often, I've got about fifty messages .. Dec 05 11:25:11 MohammadAG: did you sort youself out lastnight? Dec 05 11:26:10 lol Dec 05 11:26:48 Presumably it was to do with +/- keys? Dec 05 11:27:21 funny, I just pushed the commit :P Dec 05 11:27:23 http://gitorious.org/qtbrowser/qtbrowser Dec 05 11:28:50 cool Dec 05 11:28:51 i came back just to say that i found what was making the changes to transition.ini not take effect, there was a typo in the file Dec 05 11:28:57 cya Dec 05 11:46:41 deedeedidideedididi Dec 05 11:47:38 That's just proof you guys are all crazy Dec 05 11:47:39 :p Dec 05 11:49:34 alterego, or is that just your mating call or something? Dec 05 11:49:52 Morse code Dec 05 11:50:33 Yeah, I see the resemblance Dec 05 11:51:25 * Termana calls up the mental hospital and the museum Dec 05 11:55:39 * alterego looks for a nice set of icons for his remote program. Dec 05 11:55:53 Gonna test it on meego later aswell me thinks. Dec 05 11:58:25 I wonder if the N9 will have an IrDA port Dec 05 12:00:07 Doubt it Dec 05 12:00:23 I'd prefer another CIR emitter tbh Dec 05 12:24:40 thp, ping Dec 05 12:49:21 alterego: to have both you could cap new devices OTG Dec 05 12:49:43 alterego: on n900 it is only one pin away from irda Dec 05 12:49:53 what is the difference between IrDA and CIR? Dec 05 12:50:14 i assume both are used for infrared communication Dec 05 12:50:16 CIR has a longer range and is only one directional. Dec 05 12:50:20 mikki-kun: CIR is consumerIR like TV remotes Dec 05 12:50:40 and IrDA ist like "two-way"? Dec 05 12:50:57 alterego: longer range is funny, my irda capable phone has longer range than n900's CIR Dec 05 12:51:00 they are different, incompatible protocols, that just happen to use a similar part of the EM spectrum Dec 05 12:51:43 ahhh, in a broader sense like 802.11b and n e.g. ? Dec 05 12:51:44 it's a bit like asking what the difference between 802.11 and bluetooth is Dec 05 12:52:13 no, the N900 has CIR, the N95 has IrDA Dec 05 12:52:19 mikki-kun: yes IrDA was used for handhelds and phones to communicate befor wifi and bt Dec 05 12:52:23 is bluetooth as well in the 2.4 ghz spectrum? Dec 05 12:52:23 mikki-kun: no, more like wifi and bluetooth, the only real similarity is the spectrum used Dec 05 12:52:34 CIR is like the one used on your TV's remote Dec 05 12:52:38 yeah Dec 05 12:52:45 whoah Ö.ö lol? Dec 05 12:52:54 is the N900 transmit-only? Dec 05 12:53:04 LjL: yes... Dec 05 12:53:10 only even different-er, because one protocol is one-way Dec 05 12:53:12 thanks for telling me that, i didn't know bluetooth goes 2.4 Dec 05 12:53:28 some cordless phones too Dec 05 12:53:48 it's a pity modern phones don't have IrDA, i still have and use devices with it Dec 05 12:53:53 or mice or keyboards Dec 05 12:54:22 or weather stations Dec 05 12:54:49 RC-controlled cars helicopters... Dec 05 12:55:08 2.4GHz is like consumer band Dec 05 12:55:09 IrDA is kind of pointless for me, considering the prevalence of bluetooth, CIR on the otherhand is cool. I can now use my phone to control my TV, computer and XBox :) Dec 05 12:55:34 alterego: dont forget to trigger your DSLR! Dec 05 12:55:36 why not just include both and everybody be happy with that? Dec 05 12:55:36 chem|st: well, that's because it's unlicensed Dec 05 12:55:39 And my new lirc frontend based on QML is coming along nicely :) Dec 05 12:55:54 alterego, except if you want to define a remote Dec 05 12:55:56 is there a maemo app with list of presets? something that can be used like a remote? Dec 05 12:56:01 alterego: CIR is nice but keep in mind many devices with IrDA can be used as remote control even though they aren't explicitly CIR Dec 05 12:56:15 both my Psion and my iPaq can do that, to an extent at least Dec 05 12:56:18 Sure Dec 05 12:56:18 Macer: qtirreco Dec 05 12:56:21 most of my TV's DVR (TV has a built in DVR) buttons aren't defined Dec 05 12:56:21 mikki-kun: and yes, all of the above microwave-using devices have been known to interfere with each other Dec 05 12:56:30 chem|st: any good? Dec 05 12:56:38 e.g. getting a call on your cordless kills your wifi speed Dec 05 12:56:42 Macer: sure Dec 05 12:57:05 it would be even nicer if the N900 could receive, so it could act as a programmable remote Dec 05 12:57:20 BCMM: so i turn on a freakin' strong microwave and kill with that all radio around me in a certain radius? Dec 05 12:57:31 cool ^^ Dec 05 12:57:36 NooBmonk3y: pong Dec 05 12:57:44 hehe yeah my WiFi (on channel 6) completely dies when the microwave is running :P Dec 05 12:57:54 switch to channel 12 then Dec 05 12:58:02 yeah, i used to be on channel 11 Dec 05 12:58:14 but i moved to 6 because my phone didn't pick up the signal well on 11 Dec 05 12:58:21 Ö.ö Dec 05 12:58:30 ahaaa thp :P good a rather noobish question for ya :P Dec 05 12:58:31 the channel can affect quality? Dec 05 12:58:59 mikki-kun: well... it's a slightly different frequency so i guess if the antenna is better suited to a given frequency... Dec 05 12:59:03 for that we have the "a" at 5.4GHz Dec 05 12:59:05 if i want to use HeAboutDialog, i assume i need to include a .h file - where do i get it from? (Or the code for it?) Dec 05 12:59:10 alterego, any theories on how this can be made better? http://gitorious.org/qtbrowser/qtbrowser/blobs/master/mainwindow.cpp#line55 Dec 05 12:59:14 good = got* above lol Dec 05 12:59:20 chem|st: i thought it was a dead format like HD-DVD ^^ Dec 05 12:59:31 I mean, there's a shitload of suffixes, how do I cover them all like firefox does :/ Dec 05 12:59:37 NooBmonk3y: it's in the hildon extras package Dec 05 12:59:58 (by shitload I mean .com, .co.uk, .co.* .org, .net, .info, .whatever) Dec 05 13:00:02 ahhh so i just dload the package, extract the h file, and import it into the qt project :) Dec 05 13:00:04 NooBmonk3y: libhildon-extras1-dev Dec 05 13:00:10 mikki-kun: I'd love to have abgn on any device as you change to a if bgn is crowded... Dec 05 13:00:22 NooBmonk3y: you can use pkgconfig Dec 05 13:00:46 ahaaa saw that in a project somewhere, will go hunt it out :) Dec 05 13:01:29 LjL: heh, your microwave leaks? Dec 05 13:01:31 NooBmonk3y: we should probably redo the HeAboutDialog in QWidgets or QML ;) Dec 05 13:01:53 hehe that would be cool! Dec 05 13:02:12 i am not sure it will work though in real life scenarios... think of 100 people living in your wifi's radius and all of them have as well an abgn-router... they complain then that their wireless dies all the time and then, you bein the smart one and having switched to a-band, will see time after time an increase in a-bands popping up as the others are being told by their "network admins" to go a for lower interference... voila, you have Dec 05 13:02:12 BCMM: definitely does... aside from the WiFI, we also have an electronic balance which goes totally bonkers when the microwave is on :P Dec 05 13:02:29 what? why does the electronic balance use microwaves? Dec 05 13:02:36 hm Dec 05 13:02:42 qtirreco is meh Dec 05 13:02:44 heh, i just looked it up: a microwave oven typically uses 2.45GHz Dec 05 13:02:46 how awkward... Dec 05 13:02:49 BCMM: i have no idea! Dec 05 13:03:12 so i guess it doesn't take anything like a harmful leakage of microwave radiation to break stuff Dec 05 13:03:23 still, if it interferes with non-wireless stuff, maybe you should get it checked... Dec 05 13:03:25 that is just cool, so we had wlan even before it was invented?! Dec 05 13:03:27 no, it's pretty typical for microwaves to disturb wifi Dec 05 13:03:40 BCMM, you do know that ALL microwaves will leak Dec 05 13:03:42 BCMM: well i think it's just that balance that's a little oversensitive to interference Dec 05 13:03:50 i am trying to get this going for my comcast dvr Dec 05 13:04:11 BCMM, that's why you are suppose to stand two meters away from the microwave when in use Dec 05 13:04:12 mikki-kun: channel effects signal quality because unless you live in the middle of nowhere, someone is already using some of them Dec 05 13:04:16 microwaves and WiFi both use similar frequencies because that's what was available for unlicensed use :P Dec 05 13:04:27 BCMM: if you microwave is 1000watt and you leak like 200 miliwatt it's not much but still destroys the 50mw Wifi Dec 05 13:04:32 Termana: of course, but it sounds like quite a lot comes out of ljl's machine Dec 05 13:04:43 Termana: also, citation needed on the 2 meters thing... Dec 05 13:04:44 BCMM: oh i don't think it's that in my case though, both channels are relatively free, yet my phone seems to work better on channel 6 than 11 Dec 05 13:05:31 btw, i suggest everyone who controlls an a wireless 802.11 network uses wifieye to find the least busy channel, and claim it Dec 05 13:05:45 (wifieye the n900 application) Dec 05 13:05:54 by the way my phone is not an N900, in case everyone is trying to see what happens on their if they change channel :P Dec 05 13:06:11 BCMM "iwlist scan" does the same :) Dec 05 13:06:42 mikki-kun: ah, but wifieye has a pretty graph of which network exist on which bands at what signal strength Dec 05 13:06:57 pretty graphs <3 Dec 05 13:07:17 i hate pretty graphs if i am just looking for plain info ^^ Dec 05 13:07:33 oh, the setup here is not really optimum... Dec 05 13:07:43 BCMM, http://www.gallawa.com/microtech/Ch3.html at 1.5 meters (5 feet) you are still exposed to 0.005 mW Dec 05 13:07:50 networks all clustered on the top bands, bands 1-3 totally clear... Dec 05 13:07:56 omfg, i see here 2 others having switched the channel freq... -.- Dec 05 13:07:59 to 1 Dec 05 13:08:06 ok, i'll go 3 then Dec 05 13:08:25 ofc, ymmv, as LjL says some devices are just funny Dec 05 13:08:26 3 is still pretty close to 1 (you know wifi channels overlap) Dec 05 13:08:42 but if you actually test it, it's a good start towards improving range and speed Dec 05 13:08:47 13 is gone as well as 6 and 1 Dec 05 13:09:08 iirc i toyed with this to see if i could go outside and fix bicycles while still listening to internet radio Dec 05 13:09:33 or i could go 9/10 Dec 05 13:09:37 mikki-kun: then 1) mod your microwave so it radiates 10x as much as normal 2) wait for everyone to leave the channel involved 3) ??? 4) profit Dec 05 13:09:56 why can't people who aren't japanese use channel 14? Dec 05 13:10:01 uhm Dec 05 13:10:07 legally, i mean Dec 05 13:10:09 1) i think here in switzerland there are laws for the radiation strength... Dec 05 13:10:17 BCMM: oh? i thought that was an italian thing Dec 05 13:10:21 mikki-kun: feh, laws! Dec 05 13:10:23 do i have to enable the ir to get qtirreco going Dec 05 13:10:34 Macer: no Dec 05 13:10:44 cause my router supports channel 14, and so does my n900, and naturally they're quite clear... will people die if i use it? Dec 05 13:11:04 mikki-kun: only swiss people respect laws ;( Dec 05 13:11:05 Macer: range is about 3m Dec 05 13:11:21 BCMM: I hope so ;) Dec 05 13:11:25 BCMM: well if you end up disturbing some important frequencies, someone might notice Dec 05 13:11:27 uhhhh, lol?! Dec 05 13:11:33 LjL: i am a finn tbh Dec 05 13:11:47 hm Dec 05 13:11:49 mikki-kun: only finnish people respect laws! Dec 05 13:11:53 screw this. isnt worth it Dec 05 13:11:55 lol Dec 05 13:11:55 mikki-kun: in fact, everyone but us does Dec 05 13:11:59 huh, my neighborhood sucks WRT wifi spectrum - there are multiple networks on channel 9 Dec 05 13:12:00 LjL: only swiss? doubt it Dec 05 13:12:02 the router says "i should be an channel 7 guy" but it is according to iwlist scan a channel 1 guy -.- Dec 05 13:12:12 effectively double-parking on 6 and 11 Dec 05 13:12:54 BCMM: if they are low traffic it doesn't matter Dec 05 13:13:12 ewww, will be gone a couple of moments, router restart... Dec 05 13:13:25 chem|st: i thought routers weren't supposed to do that unless they were specifically told to? Dec 05 13:14:31 ah, they're all BT routers; stupid is explained Dec 05 13:14:38 incidentally, double-parking has far too many meanings Dec 05 13:14:56 i meant the "parking across two spaces" one Dec 05 13:17:06 back again :) Dec 05 13:17:23 new channel and killed that senseless autochannel-mode Dec 05 13:20:22 Anyone having tested PR1.3 and noticed if it changes how long the battery lasts? Dec 05 13:20:56 dazo: I didn't notice much difference. Dec 05 13:21:01 I've run PR1.3 since it arrived and haven't noticed any difference Dec 05 13:21:09 my battery still lasts for a day :) Dec 05 13:21:16 dazo shorter at mine Dec 05 13:21:28 Well, mine used to last at least 2 days for me ... now it's barely a day Dec 05 13:22:00 Jartza: yeah mine too but I had about 2 days befor talking in terms of 24 hours Dec 05 13:22:02 only time I get mine to last 2 days if I leave it in 2G mode and wifi off and don't use it at all Dec 05 13:22:20 I have 3G and wifi on all the time Dec 05 13:22:32 dazo: have you installed any new applications since updating? Dec 05 13:22:51 Jartza: only enabled ActiveSync (Exchange mail stuff) Dec 05 13:22:55 Yo Dec 05 13:23:12 I'm also using the power kernel ... but I've not had power issues with that before Dec 05 13:23:41 This time though, I did a flash ... not the update-over-the-air-stuff Dec 05 13:24:14 Hmmm... Is anyone else getting invalid certificates when accessing the ovi store? Dec 05 13:29:16 i can't even access it.. Dec 05 13:32:19 What, the ovi store? Dec 05 13:32:41 I should have also said "on my N900" Dec 05 13:33:01 I dont know if its something with the store itself, or the PR1.3... Dec 05 13:35:38 I suppose it may be possible for me to implement my own blur qml component to add blur effects. Dec 05 13:35:55 I disasembled my N900! pretty easy if you ask me! Dec 05 13:36:06 indeed Dec 05 13:36:21 now get a 25MP camera and take photos, then upload them in RAW Dec 05 13:36:30 hehehe Dec 05 13:36:40 Yes it is. How did you do it? 4ft drop onto concrete? Crowbar? Rolled yourdeskchair over it? Dec 05 13:36:41 XD Dec 05 13:36:53 no issues for me CableTwitch - but at what point do you get the cert issue? Dec 05 13:36:58 it's piss easy to disassemble it Dec 05 13:37:01 kind of! with inside screws were tough Dec 05 13:37:06 good luck with assembling the screen ribbon Dec 05 13:37:23 (not being sarcastic, good luck, you'll need it) Dec 05 13:37:39 tugrik: When I try and re-download the angry birds level pack 1. I reaslise I havent tried to DL anything else since, but its the first time its ever complained at me. Dec 05 13:38:07 Yeah, the screen ribbon is a bitch, until you get the technique right. Took me about half an hour of fiddling to get that puppy sorted. Dec 05 13:38:58 MohammadAG, I have a slight problem with skype, quality calling isnt good Dec 05 13:39:29 when I call my friend who has N97 he hears me very well, but I dont Dec 05 13:40:29 I get like crackling sound Dec 05 13:40:48 no idea, skype's clear here Dec 05 13:41:26 not video call, just normal call. the guys here helped me with many suggestions like change my powersaving feature or change my dsl modem Dec 05 13:42:02 defective mic maybe? Dec 05 13:42:15 when calling echo/test service i get very bad quality. Dec 05 13:42:22 mic you mean speakers? Dec 05 13:42:45 oh, thought the other party heard crackling Dec 05 13:42:48 I flashed my N900 again but that also didnt work. Dec 05 13:43:06 I applied bootN900 patch Dec 05 13:43:13 but that aslo didnt work Dec 05 13:43:22 BOOSTN900 Dec 05 13:43:49 I will record my call using echo/test Dec 05 13:43:59 and you can judge. Dec 05 13:50:23 bare with me please. Dec 05 13:50:41 * n900evil is naked. Dec 05 13:50:51 ewww Dec 05 13:50:54 * n900evil jumps up and down. Dec 05 13:51:14 MohammadAG, can you check this please. this is recording Dec 05 13:52:01 http://www.rapidshare.com/files/435042324/Rec_20101205_163936-164006.aac Dec 05 13:52:35 it's a recording of my skype call to echo/test service, Dec 05 13:52:45 can somebody point me to the sources for the lirc_rx51 driver? Dec 05 13:52:49 watch how it is struggling. Dec 05 13:53:40 MohammadAG, bad isn'tit? Dec 05 13:54:20 my friend hears me very well but I dont. Dec 05 13:54:39 is there something wrong with upload speed on N900? Dec 05 13:56:27 lolloo: as told several times now... have you tried another router? Dec 05 13:56:57 or lets call it accesspoint Dec 05 13:57:13 hi, I've got a little problem with hildon gui Dec 05 13:57:17 I mean: http://wstaw.org/m/2010/12/05/screenshot02.png Dec 05 13:57:52 all borders, hilights and other elements dissappeared after I've installed midori & rebooted Dec 05 13:58:13 oli: have you tried with rebooting again? Dec 05 13:58:34 chem|st: a few times Dec 05 14:00:00 can't google anything about this issue Dec 05 14:01:15 oli: a webbrowser is not changeing anything... usually Dec 05 14:01:27 does uninstalling midori help it? Dec 05 14:02:27 didn't change anything, but during installation there was an "updating icon cache" notification Dec 05 14:02:37 so I guess it may be related Dec 05 14:04:04 Usually that's just due to insert the Midori menu item Dec 05 14:04:23 Oh, N800, don't know about how that works Dec 05 14:07:55 I'll try removing maemo5-like menu Dec 05 14:08:26 very nice bitmap tracing program. http://autotrace.sourceforge.net/screenshot.gif Dec 05 14:10:33 the same glitch with old menus... (+annoying bar on the left) Dec 05 14:11:30 hi Dec 05 14:13:40 Is trying to reinstall hildon-desktop really a bad idea? ;) Dec 05 14:14:07 oli: it isn't a bad idea, but what are you trying to achieve? Dec 05 14:14:38 Venemo: http://wstaw.org/m/2010/12/05/screenshot02.png that's how my n800's gui looks like Dec 05 14:15:02 lost all borders, hilights, scrollbars Dec 05 14:15:34 oli, it seems like a screwed up theme Dec 05 14:16:32 It's the same with all preinstalled themes Dec 05 14:16:50 menus lost their rounded corners, etc Dec 05 14:16:53 http://www.roitsystems.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/AutoTraceHelpOutputFormat << what's the simplest scalable vector format to parse with my own program? Dec 05 14:17:26 sorry the I got D/C Dec 05 14:17:46 oli: well then try reinstalling hildon-desktop Dec 05 14:17:48 MohammadAG, sorry. Dec 05 14:18:10 oli: if it doesn't do anything, we'll think about it more Dec 05 14:18:40 oli: this may be obvious, but did you try to set the theme to default then reboot? Dec 05 14:18:52 Venemo: reinsattall = apt-get remove + apt-get install ? Dec 05 14:19:09 oli: apt-get install -reinstall hildon-desktop or something like this, wait a moment Dec 05 14:19:11 Venemo: yes, it didn't change anything Dec 05 14:19:38 this is my skype I recorded the call to echo/test on my N900 Dec 05 14:19:42 http://www.rapidshare.com/files/435042324/Rec_20101205_163936-164006.aac Dec 05 14:19:45 oli: 'apt-get install --reinstall packagename' Dec 05 14:19:52 oli: this is the correct command Dec 05 14:20:07 ok, rebooting Dec 05 14:20:25 oli: but before doing this, set the theme to the built-in and reboot Dec 05 14:20:32 oli: after the reinstall, reboot again (just to be sure) Dec 05 14:20:43 oli: if it doesn't help, all I can recommend is backup your data and Dec 05 14:20:45 ~flashing Dec 05 14:20:45 well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Dec 05 14:20:48 lolloo, latency problem I guess Dec 05 14:20:58 try a faster connection Dec 05 14:21:52 MohammadAG, yes but I am using my 10Mb dsl line. Dec 05 14:21:56 Venemo: still white everywhere , suits the weather ;] Dec 05 14:22:13 do you think there is an upload problem with N900? Dec 05 14:22:22 oli: if noone has a better idea, I suggest trying a reflash Dec 05 14:22:26 also I changged the wireless channel Dec 05 14:22:32 oli: don't forget to backup your data before doing it Dec 05 14:22:33 but didn'tsolve anything Dec 05 14:22:50 I disabled powersave for N900 but same thing. Dec 05 14:23:06 lolloo, pingtest.net Dec 05 14:23:19 awesome ok Dec 05 14:23:30 Venemo: one thing I said before you joined - it happened after I've installed midori Dec 05 14:24:32 oli: I guess you already uninstalled midori Dec 05 14:24:41 testing, Dec 05 14:24:43 good morning MohammadAG :) Dec 05 14:24:57 morning :) Dec 05 14:25:04 Venemo: yup. Dec 05 14:30:06 oli: well then I'm out of ideas, sorry :( Dec 05 14:32:38 Venemo: me too, Dec 05 14:32:44 ok here is my symptom, with pingtest Dec 05 14:32:51 Seems I have to flash (again) Dec 05 14:32:57 I tried ping test on my pc and my N900 Dec 05 14:33:29 I get on my PC grade B with ping 131@2ms jitter Dec 05 14:33:52 I get on my N900 grade C with ping 170@23ms jitter Dec 05 14:34:25 MohammadAG, sorry for bothering you, but why is N900 slower and jitters much compared to my pc Dec 05 14:34:37 all using the same wireless connection mind you Dec 05 14:35:09 B or C aren't the best Dec 05 14:35:23 I get an A, and it's just a 5MB line Dec 05 14:35:31 could be a crappy router Dec 05 14:35:40 skype has worked fine for me, even over 3g Dec 05 14:35:47 wow awesome Dec 05 14:36:00 nearest server to me is kuwaite Dec 05 14:36:10 although kuwait is far :p Dec 05 14:36:26 oli: I haven't had an N800, so I don't really know much about it, sorry Dec 05 14:36:38 but what when calling using pc is much better Dec 05 14:36:50 compared to n900 skype. Dec 05 14:37:02 maybe there is a patch or a way to improve wireless speed on N900? Dec 05 14:37:18 specially uploading. Dec 05 14:37:19 lolloo: my N900's Skype is much better than on my laptop Dec 05 14:37:25 wow Dec 05 14:37:29 I envy you Dec 05 14:37:34 lolloo: because the N900's microphone has a lot better quality than my laptop's Dec 05 14:37:45 whats todays app of the day to install? Dec 05 14:37:53 did you hear my recording? its terrible!!! Dec 05 14:38:14 but internet upload on n900 is slow don't you think? Dec 05 14:38:53 I use skype daily, but with situation its hard for me Dec 05 14:40:25 I kind of miss what my boss tell me ! hehe Dec 05 14:40:33 Venemo: just flashed it - thanks for your help :) Dec 05 14:40:42 I cant hear what he is saying haha Dec 05 14:41:03 oli: you're welocme Dec 05 14:41:47 lolloo: well I didn't listen to your recording, but I believed the people with whom I talked over Skype Dec 05 14:42:16 yes other ppl hear me crystalclear Dec 05 14:42:19 but I don't Dec 05 14:42:28 http://www.rapidshare.com/files/435042324/Rec_20101205_163936-164006.aac Dec 05 14:42:47 my frnd has N97 and he hears me very well! Dec 05 14:42:52 but I don't. Dec 05 14:46:02 anyways thank you guys every little helps. I will keep searching. Dec 05 14:46:59 it says on pingtest.net packetloss test failed! Dec 05 14:47:07 on my N900 that is. Dec 05 14:47:14 does that mean anything? Dec 05 14:49:01 "We are all 'rationally ignorant'... We can only be informed about a small number of things - the things that help us make a living or the things we enjoy doing in our personal lives." - Dr. Bruce Yandle, Clemson University Dec 05 14:57:23 pupnik, nothing new on the saying Dec 05 14:59:30 hmm Dec 05 14:59:45 How do I change volume in the browser? Dec 05 15:01:20 Goto dashboard, change volume then go back to browser. Dec 05 15:01:28 NooBmonk3y: ping Dec 05 15:01:39 Venemo, I pong badly Dec 05 15:01:45 Or, in browser settings you can tell it to use -/+ keys for volume over zoom Dec 05 15:01:51 NooBmonk3y: thank god you're here Dec 05 15:02:02 * NooBmonk3y looks up, god where? lol Dec 05 15:02:07 NooBmonk3y: I know you have used Qt Mobility sensors before Dec 05 15:02:09 afternooooooooooooon Dec 05 15:02:20 ooo yes, the one thing that kinda works :p Dec 05 15:02:26 NooBmonk3y: how can I start a QAccelerometer? Dec 05 15:03:11 NooBmonk3y: its isActive() always returns false Dec 05 15:04:20 i cheated and used most of the qt example code hold on... Dec 05 15:04:28 NooBmonk3y: where is that? Dec 05 15:04:57 http://gitorious.org/healthcheck/healthcheckv3/blobs/master/explorer.cpp Dec 05 15:05:00 is my code hold on Dec 05 15:05:05 will link to the actual example Dec 05 15:05:14 sharing : http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5206/5234681136_857b3564e6.jpg Dec 05 15:05:16 (By my, i mean slightly ammended nokia code lol) Dec 05 15:05:23 NooBmonk3y: there is no QAcceleormeter in your code Dec 05 15:05:47 sp3000: Are you @office? Dec 05 15:05:54 Venemo, it has qsensor and scrolls through all of em Dec 05 15:06:04 NooBmonk3y: mhm Dec 05 15:06:23 install the extras-devel healthcheck, look under tools->sensor explorer Dec 05 15:07:33 healthcheck got new update this week! Dec 05 15:07:47 NooBmonk3y: all I had to do is remove the isActive() check, and it works Dec 05 15:07:48 lolloo, kinda! Dec 05 15:07:51 lols!!! Dec 05 15:07:56 hehe Dec 05 15:08:09 lolloo, development update, just kinda an update to show i am working on it slowly Dec 05 15:08:11 NooBmonk3y: seems that isActive is lying... Dec 05 15:08:17 Venemo, that happens alot! Dec 05 15:08:24 NooBmonk3y: there is setActive() in 1.1.0, but not in 1.0.2 :( Dec 05 15:08:31 Spent most of this weekend finding out maemo isn't supported yet on alot of qtmobility Dec 05 15:08:38 or it was, and isnt now Dec 05 15:08:43 like you have just found out! Dec 05 15:09:06 lolloo, interested on feedback if you are bored :P Dec 05 15:09:23 yes I do have Dec 05 15:09:41 I will keep in touch! Dec 05 15:09:42 NooBmonk3y: it is. just 1.1.0 is not in the repo yet Dec 05 15:09:54 nope its not :( Dec 05 15:10:09 1.2 due out early next year supposedly Dec 05 15:12:19 NooBmonk3y: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1.0/index.html#platform-compatibility Dec 05 15:12:33 NooBmonk3y: everything except the "feedback" api is okay for Maemo 5 Dec 05 15:12:40 Venemo, that is not true! Dec 05 15:12:48 yes they work but not all functionality included in maemo Dec 05 15:12:48 NooBmonk3y: why not? Dec 05 15:12:58 NooBmonk3y: what is not? Dec 05 15:13:00 For example Dec 05 15:13:06 back end audioinput/output Dec 05 15:13:11 ie, you can't list devices Dec 05 15:13:14 therefore - useless to me Dec 05 15:13:27 you can play and do snazzy stuff, but not get into the techy details Dec 05 15:13:38 NooBmonk3y, which bug reports are you tracking which tell you its missing Dec 05 15:13:56 lcuk, qt main pages, Dec 05 15:13:58 ie if the devs dont know that developers are expecting such support, they may not know to try and add it Dec 05 15:14:06 they do :) Dec 05 15:14:10 * lcuk smiles Dec 05 15:14:23 NooBmonk3y: open a bug report Dec 05 15:14:28 will post a bug if one doesnt exist, but have enough to do and keep me busy in the meanwhile Dec 05 15:14:41 roger Dec 05 15:14:45 NooBmonk3y: and tell them that this table is a lie, and also tell them "DON'T LIE TO US, YOU MORONS!" Dec 05 15:14:54 lcuk, it was a comment by one of the qtmobility developers.... not available now,. will be in 1.2 Dec 05 15:14:56 ~nuke the Qt Mobility developers for lying to us Dec 05 15:14:56 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at the Qt Mobility developers for lying to us ... B☢☢M! Dec 05 15:14:58 (for maemo anyway) Dec 05 15:15:23 they didnt lie, just bent the truth, into a perfect circle lol Dec 05 15:16:07 hehe great way to say it Dec 05 15:16:21 :) Dec 05 15:16:35 * NooBmonk3y has decided to change mywebsite again, got bored with it being too complex Dec 05 15:16:41 so using wordpress for easier blogging Dec 05 15:17:00 sharing : http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5248/5234731634_947bbcb7df.jpg Dec 05 15:17:23 NooBmonk3y, share your website. Dec 05 15:17:24 nice lolloo :) Dec 05 15:17:37 lolloo, will do when complete :P - looks like a pigs toilet atm Dec 05 15:17:42 hehehe Dec 05 15:20:52 how do I cleanly restart hildon-desktop grr Dec 05 15:21:04 killall hildon-desktop Dec 05 15:21:25 killall will kill it, then upstart'll restart it Dec 05 15:21:27 that's not clean Dec 05 15:21:34 it won't rotate properly afterwards Dec 05 15:21:49 dsme will, upstart doesn't usually do this :P Dec 05 15:22:46 k, nvm Dec 05 15:22:55 got the status menu showing in portrait mode Dec 05 15:22:59 now to realign it Dec 05 15:24:45 Patent lawyer Stephan Kinsella: "How Intellectual Property Hampers Capitalism" (video, mp3, transcript) http://www.stephankinsella.com/2010/10/how-intellectual-property-hampers-capitalism-transcript/ Dec 05 15:32:50 who wants this? :P http://i54.tinypic.com/o5niub.jpg Dec 05 15:33:28 wants what? Dec 05 15:33:30 a screenshot? Dec 05 15:33:45 status menu in portrait mode smartass Dec 05 15:33:46 or ther vertical stylee status menu thing? Dec 05 15:33:54 ;) Dec 05 15:34:03 i dont get this portrait mode malarky.... Dec 05 15:34:16 its easier and quicker for me to use my phone in landscape lol Dec 05 15:34:25 + alot more comfortable to hold Dec 05 15:34:33 maybe i'm just odd......... Dec 05 15:34:55 s/odd/old/ Dec 05 15:34:58 My N900 is on a restart loop after I installed some widget in it. I guess destop switcher widget. I have spend quite a time to install some usefull application so do want to reflash if possible. is there any option to just remove the problematic widget is get my n900 working without reflashing? Dec 05 15:37:01 NooBmonk3y: yeah I'm sayin this since I have the N900... :P Dec 05 15:37:06 hmm is it easy to mount the main rootfs partition from within meego? Dec 05 15:37:08 NooBmonk3y: but honestly, this is a great feature Dec 05 15:37:16 to potentially allow some kind of recorvy? Dec 05 15:37:21 recovery Dec 05 15:38:01 it is a great feature :) - no doubt, as the forums have been filled with the "i want portrait" brigade for a while ;) Dec 05 15:38:08 and what people want, MohammadAG gives ;) Dec 05 15:38:17 not only that Dec 05 15:38:27 lol, bad timing Dec 05 15:38:30 haha Dec 05 15:38:40 i'm actually almost crying with laughter lol Dec 05 15:40:23 * MohammadAG throws a banana at NooBmonk3y Dec 05 15:40:49 * NooBmonk3y grins Dec 05 15:41:51 * lcuk watches as NooBmonk3y deftly chops the banana into pieces, drops it into the blener and passes the mush onwards to mrs NooBmonk3y to produce an awesome cake out of Dec 05 15:42:01 blender as well :P Dec 05 15:42:21 lcuk, she made coffe cream chocolates at 7am this morning, what a breakfast ;) (I just asked her to leave out the coffee heehee) Dec 05 15:42:36 yeah coffee in a cup Dec 05 15:42:41 not in a cake Dec 05 15:42:45 that is just wrong Dec 05 15:43:00 i once ate a coffee cream out of a box of chocs Dec 05 15:43:23 i had to dig in the entire box to find the antidote Dec 05 15:43:49 wat Dec 05 15:45:10 lol! Dec 05 15:46:14 NooBmonk3y, who was the lovely lady that responded to your FF Dec 05 15:46:19 is it someone you work with? Dec 05 15:46:33 oh, my chief exec lol Dec 05 15:46:38 :D heh Dec 05 15:46:45 she is lovely Dec 05 15:46:51 if a bit margaret thatcheresque Dec 05 15:46:59 got bigger balls then the rest of the board put together Dec 05 15:47:28 o_O Dec 05 15:49:14 LOL Dec 05 15:49:43 metaphorically speaking? Dec 05 15:50:53 supposedly :p Dec 05 15:52:05 she has actually taken to blogging damn well though Dec 05 15:52:13 she has a work blog, and has done so well to ignore the rants, quite impressed Dec 05 15:52:27 Hello. Dec 05 15:52:40 hello Dec 05 15:54:26 hi Dec 05 15:54:34 I'm looking for someone with working cross-compilation environment for Diablo 5.2008.43-7. Dec 05 15:54:53 *Or* I'm looking for help to set-up that environment. Dec 05 15:55:21 I need GPG plugin for Pidgin. Dec 05 15:55:56 http://sourceforge.net/projects/pidgin-gpg/ ← this one. Dec 05 15:56:50 you need to compile one as far as I know. Dec 05 15:57:24 I already installed scratchbox and SDK - but what's next? Dec 05 15:57:48 mmm someone better thank me could answer that. Dec 05 16:00:18 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=889833#post889833 Dec 05 16:08:19 MohammadAG, you are a saint! Dec 05 16:08:52 SpeedEvil, GROAN Dec 05 16:08:54 doesn't go well with my name, sorry :P Dec 05 16:09:08 * alterego feels schleepy Dec 05 16:09:26 GAN900 Ugh, sinus infection. Dec 05 16:09:26 SpeedEvil Are you sure it's not a cosine infection? Dec 05 16:09:26 merlin_1991 whatabout tangent? Dec 05 16:09:30 hehehe Dec 05 16:09:52 * MohammadAG reads alterego a book Dec 05 16:09:52 ~lcuk Dec 05 16:09:53 you are, like, a mighty good developer, best known for his work on liqbase and helping Nokia with the Identity project during the onedotzero event in London. Dec 05 16:09:54 MohammadAG, sorry! Dec 05 16:10:07 oooh who wrote that? :D Dec 05 16:10:10 lol why apologize? :P Dec 05 16:10:19 ~factinfo lcuk Dec 05 16:10:20 lcuk -- created by qwerty12_N810 at Mon Aug 31 21:54:33 2009 (460 days); last modified at Thu Apr 15 05:09:37 2010 by crashanddie!~cb09b989@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie; it has been requested 5 times, last by lcuk, 27s ago. Dec 05 16:10:57 ta mo Dec 05 16:13:17 ~MohammadAG Dec 05 16:13:17 methinks mohammadag is your father Dec 05 16:13:20 :D Dec 05 16:13:22 ~Venemo Dec 05 16:13:23 it has been said that venemo is Timur Kristf, a .NET, C++, Qt developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo Dec 05 16:15:21 the ~MohammadAG is lol Dec 05 16:18:36 ~alterego Dec 05 16:18:44 burn! Dec 05 16:19:06 I'm not as renowned obviously :) Dec 05 16:19:36 ~alterego is a nice person who is always ready to help with all kinds of weird stuff. he can also answer any Qt-related question Dec 05 16:19:37 okay, Venemo Dec 05 16:19:41 ~alterego Dec 05 16:19:42 rumour has it, alterego is a nice person who is always ready to help with all kinds of weird stuff. he can also answer any Qt-related question Dec 05 16:19:55 :D awww, thank you :D Dec 05 16:20:01 yw :P Dec 05 16:37:15 Oh crap .. Dec 05 16:39:30 is there a way my app can use liblocation without "satelite" icon appearing in the status bar? Dec 05 16:40:54 trx: no Dec 05 16:41:11 trx: that is because the user deserves to know that you're siphoning his battery with the GPS Dec 05 16:41:17 alterego: what is crap? Dec 05 16:41:30 I wrote over a couple of .qml files .. Dec 05 16:41:36 So I lost some progress :( Dec 05 16:41:44 alterego: :( Dec 05 16:42:00 Venemo that would be in user's best intrerest Dec 05 16:42:26 as i am making an app which would make the phone send you the co-ords if you get it lost/stolen Dec 05 16:43:20 i need that so the "thief" doesnt see anything suspicious Dec 05 16:43:25 and turn off the phone... Dec 05 16:45:01 so there is no way? Dec 05 16:51:11 trx: well you must hack around this stuff then Dec 05 16:51:18 trx: somehow hide the status bar icon Dec 05 16:52:33 yeah Dec 05 16:52:53 trx: sounds like an extensive hacking, but not impossible Dec 05 16:53:49 couldnt i get the handle of the status bar window and its children Dec 05 16:54:05 find the one i need and send the WS_INVISIBLE of w/e Dec 05 16:54:15 im not familliar with linux so much :/ Dec 05 16:56:03 i would start with just renaming the satellite icon temporary and see if it works :p Dec 05 16:56:14 or that :D Dec 05 16:56:15 or if everything goes down because it doesnt have proper errorhandling ;) Dec 05 16:56:45 an app like this i really nessesary if u live in country like serbia Dec 05 16:56:58 where cops dont give a ... for you phone :) Dec 05 16:57:00 trx: frals's idea is good Dec 05 16:57:24 i will try it out, thank you Dec 05 17:01:25 trx: umm, there is already such app, smscon Dec 05 17:01:52 i wasnt aware of that Dec 05 17:02:48 trx, possible to only do it when the phone is not in-use (ie wait for the timeout?) Dec 05 17:03:20 but to be honest, i dont think they'd realise quick enough what is happenning Dec 05 17:03:44 or do it, and pop a message up saying "System check complete" lol Dec 05 17:03:52 lol Dec 05 17:03:55 yeah :) Dec 05 17:04:10 im just exploring all the options Dec 05 17:04:23 to see what can and cant be done.. Dec 05 17:04:27 if they realise what is happenning i'm sure they would know how to remove the baseapp :P Dec 05 17:04:52 trx: also make your app not showing up in the application manager Dec 05 17:05:20 Venemo, just turn the phone into an iPhone, most n900 thifs would then just chuck it.... "bahhhh got a 100 of them" Dec 05 17:05:36 lol Dec 05 17:05:37 s/thifs/theifs/ Dec 05 17:05:37 NooBmonk3y meant: Venemo, just turn the phone into an iPhone, most n900 theifs would then just chuck it.... "bahhhh got a 100 of them" Dec 05 17:06:01 NooBmonk3y: what is a 'theif'? :P Dec 05 17:06:29 Venemo that is also a good idea, ill try that too Dec 05 17:06:30 thief meh Dec 05 17:07:23 cos^ that is a good program Dec 05 17:07:39 but it looses the purpose if some1 changes the sim card Dec 05 17:08:53 my idea is to have the app check the server each eg 6 hours and see if tracking is on Dec 05 17:09:05 if not, check again in 6 hours Dec 05 17:09:17 or if yes, start sending the co ords Dec 05 17:09:17 if you mean smscon, it handles sim card changes Dec 05 17:09:30 it does? Dec 05 17:09:41 you can set smscon with an email address and contact number, and itll email/text you if the sim card's changed Dec 05 17:09:56 thats good Dec 05 17:20:52 hi, can someone help me integrating maemo in qtcreator? Dec 05 17:21:02 bash`: i use you as my shell! ^_^ Dec 05 17:21:15 kerio: I use zsh :P Dec 05 17:24:00 DocScrutinizer: were you the one who questioned why is there a gconf process? Dec 05 17:25:35 netsplit! great! Dec 05 17:25:51 freenode! Dec 05 17:28:21 hi everyone Dec 05 17:29:07 i made the moon activity available in debian and ubuntu and wish to port the same to maemo. Can anyone help me in this. Any help would be highly appreciated Dec 05 17:29:58 ibansal: do you have a specific question about it? Dec 05 17:30:46 [17:47] i would start with just renaming the satellite icon temporary and see if it works :p Dec 05 17:30:49 haha it works Dec 05 17:30:50 :D Dec 05 17:31:20 ibansal: do you want to make it a homescreen applet or a full-sized application? Dec 05 17:31:23 maybe i should just leave the icon but change it to a smiley or stmh :D Dec 05 17:31:30 ibansal: other question: is it based on Qt or Gtk? Dec 05 17:31:31 Venemo, can you refer to me a any already packaged package on maemo which has its front end on pygtk and back end on python Dec 05 17:32:06 ibansal: I have not tried this yet, but NooBmonk3y may be able to help you with packaging a Python application Dec 05 17:32:19 NooBmonk3y: help him :P Dec 05 17:33:00 Venemo, thanks Dec 05 17:33:08 NooBmonk3y, around? Dec 05 17:33:15 ibansal: does the application itself work on Maemo? Dec 05 17:34:12 Venemo, i am a bit new to maemo so i dont know exactly. But i think it should as maemo also supports pygtk and python. Dec 05 17:34:22 can you tell me on how can i check it ? Dec 05 17:34:36 ibansal: try running it with python (eg. from the terminal) Dec 05 17:34:56 ibansal: copy the python file to the device and start it as you would start it on a desktop computer Dec 05 17:35:19 ibansal: eg. 'python mystuff.py' or something like that (I'm not familiar with Python development, sorry) Dec 05 17:35:45 Venemo, okay Dec 05 17:36:46 kinda Dec 05 17:36:53 here for 10 mins before heading out for dinner Dec 05 17:37:22 ibansal, healthcheck (currently in extras) is a qt/gtk'ish front end (99% qt) and python backend though Dec 05 17:39:19 NooBmonk3y, sorry can you elaborate exactly what do you mean Dec 05 17:39:59 Venemo, can you refer to me a any already packaged package on maemo which has its front end on pygtk and back end on python << i was just saying that my app isnt GTK (in whole), so not sure if thats what you where asking? Dec 05 17:40:58 NooBmonk3y, okay you were refering to your app healthcheck right? Dec 05 17:41:46 NooBmonk3y, my app isn't GTK in whole but uses some of the features of gtk Dec 05 17:41:57 ahhh, well whats your actual question? :) Dec 05 17:44:12 * alterego giggles like a little girl. Dec 05 17:44:28 This is the first practical application I've made with QML ^.^ Dec 05 17:45:44 NooBmonk3y, i just want a app already packaged for maemo for reference so that i can package my app accordingly Dec 05 17:46:28 ibansal, http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/healthcheck/1.2.0-3/ Dec 05 17:46:36 well done alterego :) Dec 05 17:46:38 NooBmonk3y, thanks Dec 05 17:46:48 alterego, is the "find sex" maemo app? hehehe Dec 05 17:46:57 Heh, no Dec 05 17:48:00 aghhhhh late for dinner at the inlaws Dec 05 17:48:09 NooBmonk3y, can you give me a link to any packaging guide for maemo on how we can port app from debian to maemo Dec 05 17:49:19 ibansal, never used one, i used the brains from this place as it was my first ever go :P Dec 05 17:49:33 NooBmonk3y, okay Dec 05 17:49:38 guess i would be doing the same Dec 05 17:49:41 back laters alls :) Dec 05 17:50:28 ibansal: http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging Dec 05 17:50:49 merlin1991, thanks Dec 05 17:51:52 NooBmonk3y: it's a QML based user interface for lircd Dec 05 17:52:10 oooooooooo Dec 05 17:52:13 i wanna see :) Dec 05 17:52:16 but later Dec 05 17:52:17 Should make it easy for people to hack together pretty interfaces for remote controls. Dec 05 17:52:19 agghhh so so late! Dec 05 17:52:23 Heh Dec 05 17:52:54 I've got TV, XBOX360 and Laptop :) Dec 05 18:08:00 no more free service from nuevasync. it sucks. Dec 05 18:08:14 Arkenoi, yeah. Dec 05 18:08:18 Venemo: yes, I don't like the concept of gconfd Dec 05 18:18:23 DocScrutinizer: recently I discovered what its purpose is Dec 05 18:24:36 DocScrutinizer: GConf can notify you about settings changes in realtime, that's why gconfd is for Dec 05 18:25:49 I know, and my notion is "useless feature" Dec 05 18:28:02 :D Dec 05 18:31:32 a) there's *very* few settings relevant and common to a large number of processes, and b) usually you already have a central process used and shared by those, like e.g. X, and c) there are things like inotify Dec 05 18:32:08 New FBReader crashes on start Dec 05 18:32:09 Great. Dec 05 18:33:02 DocScrutinizer: makes sense Dec 05 18:33:24 DocScrutinizer: so basically they should have used one of the existing processes for this, right? Dec 05 18:35:48 I wonder if I have low level access to the XPS M1530 CIR receiver .. Dec 05 18:35:51 Arkenoi: Erminig works well Dec 05 18:35:58 Would be cool if I could use it as a training remote. Dec 05 18:37:34 alterego, do you know how to get the blue/gray text in QPushButtons as per http://i54.tinypic.com/o5niub.jpg ? Dec 05 18:40:18 MohammadAG_: they only go blue when the button is asociated with a pick selector. Dec 05 18:40:34 If you set the text yourself it's grey. Dec 05 18:40:36 MohammadAG_: those are Gtk widgets, not Qt ones Dec 05 18:41:03 Venemo, I saw colombus does it, and Qt buttons should be able to do it :P Dec 05 18:41:09 alterego, how do I set it myself? Dec 05 18:41:12 MohammadAG_: yeah. Dec 05 18:41:16 MohammadAG_: that's right Dec 05 18:41:23 MohammadAG_: setValueText Dec 05 18:41:45 jaffa: well, having two separate things for calendar and contacts sync suck. Dec 05 18:41:55 i'd petter pay $12 to nuevasync Dec 05 18:42:59 alterego, doesn't seem to be a QPushButton method Dec 05 18:43:14 QMaemo5ValueButton maybe? Dec 05 18:43:22 or something like that Dec 05 18:43:35 sigh, Maemo 5 specific :P Dec 05 18:43:57 MohammadAG_: yep, seems so Dec 05 18:44:03 Oh, yeah, sorry it's QMaemo5ValueButton ;) Dec 05 18:47:18 Venemo: basically right Dec 05 18:48:22 alterego: M1530? Dec 05 18:52:24 alterego: how about using hostmode and a IrDA dongle? Dec 05 18:52:43 Arkenoi: Meh, I don't sync contacts; and Erminig is nice, GUIificated and does multiple calendars. Dec 05 18:52:45 DocScrutinizer: that's creative thinking :D Dec 05 18:52:50 No clue what a XPS M1530 CIR receiver Dec 05 18:52:52 is Dec 05 18:56:54 alterego, and how do I center text? Dec 05 18:57:08 MohammadAG_: setValueLayout() Dec 05 18:57:43 DocScrutinizer: M1530 is my laptop Dec 05 18:57:54 Dell XPS M1530 Dec 05 19:00:16 #ifdef it is :P Dec 05 19:00:30 your laptop has a CIR? Dec 05 19:00:33 oh, receiver Dec 05 19:00:36 prolly for MCE then Dec 05 19:01:21 Yeah Dec 05 19:01:30 Got a nice remote, which I've got a lircd conf for. Dec 05 19:01:40 Was just wondering if I could use it for training. Dec 05 19:01:56 which reminds me Dec 05 19:02:15 can I use that type of CIR to make remote files? Dec 05 19:02:24 * MohammadAG_ has one sitting here, no use on Ubuntu Dec 05 19:02:27 Well, that is what I Was wondering :P Dec 05 19:02:43 oh, thought you already did that :P Dec 05 19:04:31 MohammadAG_ , do you reommend I use the app now? Dec 05 19:04:39 recommend* Dec 05 19:07:42 what app? Dec 05 19:08:29 the one that nokia didn'tdo but you did it my awesome friend! Dec 05 19:08:31 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66586 Dec 05 19:08:56 although it says incompatibil package cant install. Dec 05 19:09:26 I hate app amanger! omg Dec 05 19:09:38 I don't know why I keep using it! Dec 05 19:09:41 my bad! Dec 05 19:11:15 now I can show-off my phone to my friends! hehe Dec 05 19:17:28 lol I was discussing something with Venemo (not sure if he wants to talk about it here - at least at the moment) and it came to my mind Dec 05 19:18:04 MohammadAG_: i saw you having made a package in one of your posts, is that post "better" than the instructions you gave in the opening post? Dec 05 19:18:33 mikki-kun, status menu? it has 6 lines as requested above it Dec 05 19:19:12 you gave instructiuons for how to install it in the first post and then later you posted a plain link to a package ;) Dec 05 19:20:01 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=889966&postcount=17 Dec 05 19:20:26 is that a reference to a new one? Dec 05 19:21:19 mikki-kun, read the post above it Dec 05 19:21:44 ahhhh, ok, so that link has the +6 lines :) Dec 05 19:22:06 i got a little confused by it, sorry and thanks :) Dec 05 19:25:37 that is just plain awesome! :D Dec 05 19:26:27 is there some kudos bot or such idling in this channel? i need to give somebody kudos for a great package Dec 05 19:29:19 alterego: MohammadAG_: look at LIRC's site, there's quite some data on how to use CIR for learning IR codes Dec 05 19:29:57 DocScrutinizer: sweet. Dec 05 19:31:45 mikki-kun, yw :) Dec 05 19:33:21 you added one crucial thing nokia forgot... in phone-mode, when you have the logs, you can't just say "ohhhh well, i will quickly change to skype" when it is fixed to portrait mode... now that works :) Dec 05 19:35:26 I have enabled the browser portrait/landscape mode, and it works. Dec 05 19:35:48 howdy Dec 05 19:35:49 Is there a way to allow the other two orientations to work? Dec 05 19:36:00 hu? Dec 05 19:36:18 you mean holding the device up-side down? Dec 05 19:36:46 yes Dec 05 19:37:04 there should be a package which allows that all the time Dec 05 19:37:17 but it really isn't recommended imo Dec 05 19:37:31 it'll make your n900 go spinning ^^ Dec 05 19:50:07 SpeedEvil, that's kinda interesting Dec 05 19:50:36 * MohammadAG_ wonders if adding it in hildon-desktop is possible Dec 05 19:54:07 I like that feature in the image viewer, good when using it to show things to others'. Dec 05 19:59:08 * MohammadAG_ suggests writing Qt 1:1 copies of some apps on Maemo 5 Dec 05 19:59:46 Like what apps? :) Dec 05 19:59:46 MohammadAG_: we could simply use MeeGo's apps Dec 05 20:00:17 alterego, phone would be a start Dec 05 20:00:27 Heh Dec 05 20:00:34 Any reason why? Dec 05 20:01:03 it's painfully slow Dec 05 20:01:09 and not OSS Dec 05 20:01:13 isn't hildon painfully slow at times? Dec 05 20:01:25 ahhh and what is also slow is the email client Dec 05 20:01:55 seems that if you have too many mail it needs to reread all of them again Dec 05 20:02:10 mikki-kun: it is not just slow, it is (quoted from Stskeeps) utter crap Dec 05 20:02:12 not like it has a continiously growing list Dec 05 20:02:15 :D Dec 05 20:02:26 hildon is quite fast Dec 05 20:02:42 MohammadAG_: aren't those apps part of hildon as well? Dec 05 20:02:48 the lack of VSync coupled with the fact that GTK is slower than Qt, makes the phone app slow, compared to other apps Dec 05 20:03:01 gtk is slower than qt?! Dec 05 20:03:14 well I wouldn't bet on that one Dec 05 20:03:17 Noticing quite a bit of tear in my QML stuff. Dec 05 20:03:24 let's not start the fanboy-wars here :D for some apps qt is better, for some gtk :) Dec 05 20:03:27 that is a pretty generic statement Dec 05 20:03:27 It's a bit annoying, but I don't care too much. Dec 05 20:03:28 compare scrolling in a long list Dec 05 20:03:32 lies Dec 05 20:03:37 anything can be slower than anything else depending on what you're doing with it Dec 05 20:03:39 Qt > GTK here Dec 05 20:03:39 mikki-kun: that's not true at all :P Dec 05 20:03:43 liqbase > else Dec 05 20:04:11 can't be a fanboy there btw, I use Qt on maemo, GTK on my desktop so.. yeah Dec 05 20:04:13 If we didn't have Qt built into the root image, then Gtk would be better, but as we do .. Dec 05 20:04:21 well, i don't honestly care if gtk or qt, i am using mostly cli-based stuff ^^ Dec 05 20:04:29 (Qt is probably more optimized than Gtk for mobile, but totally depends on what you're doing) Dec 05 20:04:44 Pavlov, +1 there Dec 05 20:04:47 I don't think it depends at all. Dec 05 20:04:53 judging them from scrolling framerate is not a good idea. anyway, since the Phone app at least works, it shouldn't be high priority Dec 05 20:04:57 They both do the same thing, well, Qt does a lot more. Dec 05 20:05:01 i made my previous statement as a general one, not specifically pointed towards the n900 :) Dec 05 20:05:01 And is easier. Dec 05 20:05:07 that wasn't what was stated Dec 05 20:05:12 alterego++ Dec 05 20:05:13 it was stated that Qt was faster than GTK Dec 05 20:05:15 Which makes it better for most things. What would you need Gtk+ for if Qt is available? Dec 05 20:05:17 Venemo, I wanted something not in the phone app Dec 05 20:05:28 MohammadAG_: what is that? Dec 05 20:05:29 It probably is for quite a few things .. Dec 05 20:05:29 I forgot what it was right now, but suppose I do, I can't add it Dec 05 20:05:32 which one does more or is easier to use doesn't factor in to that at all Dec 05 20:05:41 alterego, you would need gtk+ if you have an existing application or strongly dislike c Dec 05 20:05:48 c++ ^ Dec 05 20:05:48 what i would want to see is an improvment in the front-facing camera... Dec 05 20:06:01 lcuk: yes, fair enough. But that's not what they're arguing. Dec 05 20:06:25 lcuk: i strongly dislike c++ as it ain't doing what i want it to do =p Dec 05 20:06:41 MohammadAG_: well if MeeGo's phone app works, then let's use that Dec 05 20:06:48 doubtful Dec 05 20:06:52 it uses ofono Dec 05 20:06:57 mikki-kun: I'd suggest that is a problem with you and not C++ :P Dec 05 20:07:01 anybody here maybe who might want to help me there with an assigment i am supposed to hand in? ^^' Dec 05 20:07:01 meegos phone app ties into different layers Venemo Dec 05 20:07:09 so its not just a case of the ui ontop Dec 05 20:07:13 i cannoit get what the errors mean Dec 05 20:07:14 but the whole stack underneat Dec 05 20:07:16 h Dec 05 20:08:08 a complete media player rewrite would be nice Dec 05 20:08:18 Heh Dec 05 20:08:21 how about MeeGo's media player Dec 05 20:08:24 use mplayer as the base i guess Dec 05 20:08:29 but I doubt anyone is up to the task of doing so, and releasing it as OSS Dec 05 20:08:44 mikki-kun, mafw is fine, the UI isn't Dec 05 20:08:52 mafw? Dec 05 20:08:53 mikki-kun, such crap can be fixed if it was OSS Dec 05 20:09:08 backend Dec 05 20:09:15 ahhhh Dec 05 20:09:26 mafw is nice. Dec 05 20:09:47 can't we just use the backend or does it specifically need the frontend then as well? Dec 05 20:09:57 It also allows better integration. If you get rid of using mafw, then one of my apps will no longer work either :P Dec 05 20:10:08 No, any app can use mafw. Dec 05 20:10:23 so why not just "write" a new frontend for it? Dec 05 20:10:31 writing a media player is like Hello World Dec 05 20:10:33 everyone tries it Dec 05 20:10:46 Can't say I have :P Dec 05 20:10:49 lcuk, no one succeeds in making it feature rich Dec 05 20:11:11 except the amarok guys Dec 05 20:11:17 There are lots of other things that need sorting in Meego - mplayer works fine. Dec 05 20:11:17 we have mplayer which manual holds more than 5k lines... Dec 05 20:11:23 * MohammadAG_ wants a complete rewrite of the mediaplayer Dec 05 20:11:26 who make a fork of emacs that plays music instead of editing text files Dec 05 20:11:28 1:1, but in Qt Dec 05 20:11:38 RevdKathy, talking about Maemo Dec 05 20:11:49 MohammadAG_: PM'd you Dec 05 20:12:05 or Nokia needs to stick to their promises and OSS crap, or stop making promises Dec 05 20:12:08 * mikki-kun wants a complete rewrite of maemo Dec 05 20:12:11 Venemo, sorry, was zoomed in with compiz Dec 05 20:12:17 np :P Dec 05 20:12:29 MohammadAG_, if you are talking about Qt Dec 05 20:12:34 you are talking about both Dec 05 20:12:39 if done correctly of course Dec 05 20:13:34 arrggg, android is annoying Dec 05 20:13:51 we already know that, hence the channel.. Dec 05 20:13:58 anyone recall how complete was the old Mer stuff? Dec 05 20:14:12 Want some more cool app ideas to do in QML .. Dec 05 20:14:29 lcuk: yes, it was added frustration from actually spending time on Android after experiencing the Maemo for years Dec 05 20:14:31 Small things though, as I'm still working on Columbus at the moment ;) Dec 05 20:14:33 MohammadAG_: when did Nokia promise? Dec 05 20:14:41 MohammadAG_: seems to be all the fanboys Dec 05 20:14:44 alterego, I know! sex app! Dec 05 20:14:55 somehow they manage to make a N800 class android device slower then an N800 :/ Dec 05 20:14:56 who will code that one? :D Dec 05 20:14:57 luke-jr, sec Dec 05 20:15:09 Neah. Dec 05 20:15:23 luke-jr, read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66275 Dec 05 20:15:38 ds3 lol, its easy to bring any device to its knees Dec 05 20:16:08 it takes the collective work of many to make a system that runs well. Dec 05 20:16:12 makes one want to try to ressurect Mer Dec 05 20:16:40 it never died, it is merely resting Dec 05 20:16:50 or as w00t_ would say ;) pining for the fjords :P Dec 05 20:16:54 this might be over my head, but Qt apps show scrollbars and can use kinetic scrolling at the same time, would editing libhildon work? Dec 05 20:16:59 why am I asking, it should work Dec 05 20:17:08 would be better in gtk itself Dec 05 20:17:24 editing libhildon to do what? Dec 05 20:17:39 to show scroll bars Dec 05 20:17:58 scrolling through 700 songs is kinda of a pain in the *** Dec 05 20:18:04 Mohammad: in theory, yes Dec 05 20:18:26 start any Qt app with -style cleanlooks Dec 05 20:18:26 Mohammad: Scrollbars were removed from hildon gtk+ on some "ux expert" whim Dec 05 20:18:48 not removed, disabled, I should say Dec 05 20:18:52 you can use a stylus with a scroll bar, and kinetic scrolling at the same time Dec 05 20:18:57 so it's just hidden from the UI Dec 05 20:19:29 * lcuk strongly dislikes not knowing where in a list am upto Dec 05 20:19:57 lcuk, the scoll bar appears, we just can't interact with it Dec 05 20:20:12 Venemo, i mean at a glance Dec 05 20:20:21 when actually looking back to device with a list on it Dec 05 20:20:27 after the scroll has faded Dec 05 20:20:51 oh, I agree with that Dec 05 20:21:13 * lcuk has transparent blue knob Dec 05 20:21:17 and, yes I have seen a doctor Dec 05 20:23:22 lcuk: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/qmote/Screenshot-20101205-201247.png Dec 05 20:23:29 & http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/qmote/Screenshot-20101205-201252.png Dec 05 20:23:57 Well, and anyone else who's interested :D Dec 05 20:24:07 That's the UI for my QML based lirc frontend. Dec 05 20:24:26 * lcuk nods Dec 05 20:24:36 looking nice Dec 05 20:24:50 are the colors tints or are they hardcoded into the button glyphs themselves? Dec 05 20:24:53 Yeah, it's okay. Dec 05 20:24:57 tints Dec 05 20:25:02 cool Dec 05 20:25:22 Button {icon: "rss_reader_move_up"; command: "UP"; color: "#6f1f3f"} Dec 05 20:25:28 That's how you define a button. Dec 05 20:25:37 alterego: ooh, shiny Dec 05 20:25:37 You can use icon or label. Dec 05 20:25:45 alterego: what's PRV? Dec 05 20:26:04 Previous Channel Dec 05 20:26:11 Basically "Back" button. Dec 05 20:26:12 alterego: what's the button to the left of 'up'? Dec 05 20:26:17 Ahhahaha Dec 05 20:26:20 MY system menu Dec 05 20:26:28 hrm Dec 05 20:26:31 * RST38h laughs satanically Dec 05 20:26:37 RST38h: ? Dec 05 20:26:40 i'd probably swap that w/ the mute button Dec 05 20:26:44 you have 4 audio buttons Dec 05 20:26:51 presumably one is louder, one is quieter Dec 05 20:26:53 Stupid games do play sound at last Dec 05 20:26:53 one is mute Dec 05 20:26:58 what's the fourth? Dec 05 20:27:15 timeless_mbp: yeah, I'm gonna get some better icons and move things around into more logical layout. Dec 05 20:27:19 lcuk, I might have something for you Dec 05 20:27:20 sound menu Dec 05 20:27:24 Had to update Z80 core to the latest changes, the version I had was a bit stale Dec 05 20:27:24 give me a minute or so Dec 05 20:27:44 Mute is oddly position, but the left column otherwise is pretty logical. Dec 05 20:28:31 You just set "command" to whatever the command is in your lircd.conf file Dec 05 20:31:19 alterego: what's the advantages of this frontend over (qt)irreco? Dec 05 20:31:38 QtIrreco is horrible? Dec 05 20:31:47 uhuh Dec 05 20:31:56 it is :P Dec 05 20:32:12 Well, my intention is to distribute something that will allow people to write their own QML remote files. Dec 05 20:32:24 I just supply a bit of a framework to do it. Dec 05 20:32:34 I never looked into qtirreco, but irreco works just fine for me Dec 05 20:33:14 irreco > qtirreco Dec 05 20:33:52 Well, People will also be able to use Qt Designer to build their remote qml files too .. Dec 05 20:34:04 But I'm doing it because I had nothing better to do and I didn't get along with Qt Irreco Dec 05 20:34:55 Well, that's not true. It was an itch m'kay?! :P Dec 05 20:34:56 I guess, using your png, it would take significantly less than 1h to define a remote under irreco that looks absolutely identical to what you linked above Dec 05 20:35:52 m'hrm Dec 05 20:35:58 With pretty animations? Dec 05 20:36:03 And stuff? Dec 05 20:36:04 WTF? Dec 05 20:36:25 a remote with animations?? o.O Dec 05 20:36:27 Well, my buttons glow. Dec 05 20:36:33 When you press them. Dec 05 20:37:15 mhm, so that's the advantage over irreco then Dec 05 20:37:22 ok, if that's worth it Dec 05 20:37:41 Well, I don't know irreco, so I don't know of any advantage. Dec 05 20:37:50 All I'm doing is exposing irsend to QML Dec 05 20:38:00 users like to have a choice Dec 05 20:38:38 dude u want this http://www.1filesharing.com/download/UKSU96DW/psyBNC2.3.2_1.rar Dec 05 20:38:39 It might be a nice place for users to get into QML hacking. Dec 05 20:38:44 if everyone asked what the advantage was over something else, we'd be stuck with one distro, with one shell, and no UI Dec 05 20:39:30 You mean windows? Dec 05 20:39:31 I actually more often than not hate to have a choice between too many options when each of them is missing a bit that is implemented in another, just because some guys weren't able to merge their efforts Dec 05 20:39:56 alterego, nice way to put it :P Dec 05 20:40:31 spammer was reported in #freenode fyi Dec 05 20:41:33 moin Dec 05 20:43:49 DocScrutinizer: totally agreed Dec 05 20:46:34 DocScrutinizer: when you say "with that png" you mean, sing my rendered UI as the background image for some remote? Dec 05 20:47:03 Which is kind of cheating :P Dec 05 20:50:09 rendered UI, background img?? Dec 05 20:50:52 Well, I was just wondering if you meant use my screenshot, that png, as the "skin" for an irreco remote? Dec 05 20:51:05 I just say I need to use the same png skins for widgets that your UI does, as otherwise I have to do weeks of photoshop editing to "copy" them Dec 05 20:51:05 Which would mean, that irreco was just using a cached QML UI still :P Dec 05 20:51:20 My UI doesn't use PNG skins .. Dec 05 20:51:35 Those Buttons are actually rendered .. Dec 05 20:51:37 oh! I suppose that's another advantage Dec 05 20:51:37 I wanted on my OS2008 update pidgin - but it writes "libhildon-extras1 is missing" i found this one: http://maemo.org/packages/view/libhildon-extras1/ but I do not know what of this packages should be installed. Dec 05 20:51:59 * DocScrutinizer runs away, screaming Dec 05 20:52:21 or there are necessary to activate some additional Packages? Dec 05 20:52:23 * MohammadAG_ shrugs Dec 05 20:52:32 repositories. Dec 05 20:52:39 I broke libhildon, and everything's closing down (obviously) Dec 05 20:54:54 MohammadAG_: what did you do to poor libhildon? Dec 05 20:55:07 made fade out timeout = 0 Dec 05 20:55:12 hm Dec 05 20:55:18 anything with scrollbars dies Dec 05 20:55:25 "As Arctic blizzards swept across southeast England, stranding hundreds in their cars and bringing motorways to a virtual halt in whiteout conditions, Kent police received a strange call on their emergency number. "I haven't been out to check on him for five hours but I went outside for a fag (cigarette) and he's gone," said the female caller." Dec 05 20:55:44 "When the operator asked who had gone she replied: "My snowman. I thought that with it being icy and there not being anybody about he'd be safe." Dec 05 20:56:21 o_O Dec 05 20:57:00 MohammadAG_: honestly, are you surprised? :P Dec 05 20:57:09 crashanddie: Must have been something other than a cigarette she was smoking :) Dec 05 20:57:51 don't transfer the ails of your country to the next, X-Fade Dec 05 20:58:22 Venemo, no Dec 05 20:58:22 crashanddie: Hey, it makes for a nice export project. And we tax it ;) Dec 05 20:58:30 MohammadAG_: k :P Dec 05 20:58:59 X-Fade: well, taxing and controlling what really is going on are probably the main areas of "bonus" to legalise it, I guess Dec 05 20:59:18 I changed MOTION_EVENTS_PER_SECOND from 25 to 60, and the device kinda feel smoother Dec 05 20:59:23 wow, occupational word slipped in there ;) s/project/product/ Dec 05 20:59:49 or it's that shitty human psychology kicking in Dec 05 21:01:15 can be Meego installed on Nokia n810? Dec 05 21:02:28 ask in #MeeGo Dec 05 21:02:41 X-Fade, did you get any replies from the SDK team about the on device SDK image? Dec 05 21:02:52 markinfo: not really, but some things are being done to port it Dec 05 21:03:16 MohammadAG_: Yes, but now I need to talk to legal ;) Dec 05 21:03:58 how long do those take to reply, if ever? :P Dec 05 21:04:26 what can be done best with Nokia n810? It seems that some programm are not more updated. Dec 05 21:04:42 markinfo: that's because the device is old and the OS has been abandonned Dec 05 21:05:04 not really that old Dec 05 21:05:11 wasn't N900 just released in 2009? Dec 05 21:05:23 bat it has such big display and big keyboard, stylus .... Dec 05 21:05:29 oh, N810 Dec 05 21:05:41 markinfo: but too little RAM, too closed, etc Dec 05 21:05:52 markinfo: only Nokia can really update it, and they don't want to Dec 05 21:06:08 markinfo: you could run Gentoo if you like Dec 05 21:06:15 lcuk, ping Dec 05 21:06:31 got a package of libhildon which should always show the scrollbar once it's visible :P Dec 05 21:08:21 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N8x0 "Boot into XFCE4 on N810 with working keyboard ... " it seems great - but will be this reality? Dec 05 21:08:49 markinfo: this is #maemo, not #meego Dec 05 21:09:04 markinfo: if you have questions directly related to Meego, please ask them in that channel Dec 05 21:11:31 lcuk, also seems to make scrolling smoother, need someone else to confirm that though Dec 05 21:15:51 markinfo: ask on #meego - Stskeeps should know more Dec 05 21:16:10 MohammadAG_: gimme gimme Dec 05 21:16:38 again, it might be my mind bullshitting me Dec 05 21:17:06 MohammadAG_: again, gimme gimme Dec 05 21:19:41 Venemo, this isn't tmo-public yet http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/libhildon1_2.2.23-1+0m5_armel.deb Dec 05 21:20:02 replacing libhildon might cause global warming Dec 05 21:20:30 warming? Dec 05 21:20:37 device exploding? Dec 05 21:20:48 hi guys Dec 05 21:21:08 works fine for me :) Dec 05 21:21:22 i'm looking for someone that can help me Dec 05 21:21:23 :P Dec 05 21:21:37 grrr Dec 05 21:22:26 29255 root 2084 D /bin/sh /etc/dbus-scripts-scripts/playswoosh :1.13 nu; kill -9 29255; 29255 root 2084 D /bin/sh /etc/dbus-scripts-scripts/playswoosh :1.13 nu Dec 05 21:23:22 and of course dbus-scripting doesn't play sound anymore, on opening kbd slider Dec 05 21:23:51 * DocScrutinizer51 blames PA Dec 05 21:23:58 I want to change the default virtual-keyboard, with an application... Dec 05 21:24:20 is it possible? Dec 05 21:25:01 I wonder what the bogus :1.13 nu part is Dec 05 21:27:14 ehm...no one can help me? XD Dec 05 21:27:16 seems to be a reply from dbus Dec 05 21:27:20 or part of it Dec 05 21:27:33 MohammadAG_: yep Dec 05 21:27:45 kinda bug in ps Dec 05 21:28:04 or bug in the process' environment Dec 05 21:28:23 rsc_: probably not Dec 05 21:28:40 FUCKING KERNEL-POWER Dec 05 21:28:42 Nokia-N900:~# ls /sys/class/leds/ Dec 05 21:28:42 twl4030:vibrator Dec 05 21:28:42 Nokia-N900:~# Dec 05 21:29:21 and it's my device, so it's not a non 2101 issue! Dec 05 21:29:39 rsc_: afaik vkbd is closed source Dec 05 21:29:48 DocScrutinizer: i saw that exists a way to change the virtual one, but i wish to start FastSMS from there Dec 05 21:30:26 sure it's not Dec 05 21:30:26 it's matan's idiotic patch to lp5523.ko Dec 05 21:30:36 ooh Dec 05 21:30:44 scrolling's acceleration can be increased Dec 05 21:31:30 ever since I disassembled my device, death gripping (!111111!!!!1) it increases signal Dec 05 21:31:43 * MohammadAG_ sends device to Apple for inspection, it should do the opposite Dec 05 21:32:01 DocScrutinizer: thank you Dec 05 21:32:43 sorry I can't help. Keep asking here occasionally, maybe others can give better advice Dec 05 21:33:09 perhaps w00t_ can help me Dec 05 21:33:28 but he seems to be afk Dec 05 21:36:40 ~lart messybox and its crippled useless ps Dec 05 21:36:41 * infobot accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets messybox and its crippled useless ps feel it Dec 05 21:36:56 ouch Dec 05 21:37:42 * ShadowJK_ remembers a time before busybox, when small linuxen used an elaborate grep|sed|awk instead of ps Dec 05 21:37:46 I've had a better idea .. Dec 05 21:37:53 Users like "apps" Dec 05 21:37:57 what's the gnu pkg containing proper ps? Dec 05 21:38:10 please, no fart apps Dec 05 21:38:11 coreutils perhaps Dec 05 21:38:12 Maybe I should use my framework to write an XBox media remote control Dec 05 21:38:16 gps? :P Dec 05 21:38:31 or procps Dec 05 21:38:54 I doubt that's the pkg name Dec 05 21:39:00 gps Dec 05 21:40:56 DocScrutinizer51: procps is the filename Dec 05 21:41:08 http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=bin%2Fps&mode=&suite=maverick&arch=any Dec 05 21:41:50 ShadowJK_: I got coreutils-gnu Dec 05 21:41:57 no proper ps Dec 05 21:44:28 DocScrutinizer, procps Dec 05 21:45:18 procps: not found Dec 05 21:45:28 :) Dec 05 21:49:43 gps? Dec 05 21:51:34 bash: gps: command not found Dec 05 21:55:45 good evening guys :) Dec 05 21:56:33 Evening. Dec 05 21:57:16 bye bye all Dec 05 21:59:50 Hello Dec 05 21:59:57 Can I run bitcoin on my N900? Dec 05 22:00:28 lolcat: doesn't look like it Dec 05 22:00:56 Why not? :( Dec 05 22:01:56 well, they only provide binaries for x86 and amd64 Dec 05 22:02:07 but you can try to compile it / port it Dec 05 22:03:54 quit Dec 05 22:04:04 exit Dec 05 22:04:10 Ramie: fail Dec 05 22:07:17 lolcat: you really shouldn't be supporting bitcoin Dec 05 22:07:39 crashanddie: Why not? Dec 05 22:07:52 because it's a system that is bound to fail at some point Dec 05 22:09:17 lolcat: once that the 21 million bitcoins have been generated, the only incentive people will have to use it will be to demand fees on block generation Dec 05 22:09:53 Isn't 21 million way too few? Dec 05 22:10:12 that is my initial feeling as well Dec 05 22:10:32 even though I've worked on a lot of crypto projects, bitcoin is one of those that I always looked at with a coy smile Dec 05 22:10:42 crashanddie: Or to hide money, launder money, and such... Dec 05 22:11:04 The N900 is arm? Dec 05 22:11:08 lolcat: and how far do you think 21 million coins will stretch? Dec 05 22:11:55 lolcat: say the US government accepts tax payments in bitcoins. I expect they would only need 10 years before they've gathered 90% of the coins in circulation Dec 05 22:12:04 Oh Dec 05 22:12:16 Technically, a Bitcoin can be divided down to 8 decimals, so 0.00000001 BTC is the smallest possible amount. For convenience, the program currently accepts only 2 decimal places. Dec 05 22:12:49 crashanddie: How can you tax it if you cant identify the owner? Dec 05 22:13:02 SpeedEvil: I know, loads of room for deflation :D Dec 05 22:13:25 What CPU does the N900 use? Dec 05 22:13:26 lolcat: I'm not saying taxing the payments themselves, I'm saying if they accept it as a form of payment Dec 05 22:13:57 lolcat: They can tax 'real' cash just fine. Dec 05 22:14:05 lolcat: ARM Dec 05 22:14:50 SpeedEvil: Real cash they can find, the money in bitcoin is hidden, no bank or anything to tell you have them Dec 05 22:15:17 I haven't seen the practical use of bitcoins at the moment Dec 05 22:15:41 it's a nice idea, without a proper and fundamental idealogy behind it Dec 05 22:16:08 s/ideal/ideol/ Dec 05 22:16:08 crashanddie meant: it's a nice idea, without a proper and fundamental ideology behind it Dec 05 22:20:56 crashanddie: Money laundering Dec 05 22:21:26 lcuk, k, libhildon package i posted makes scrolling smoother, more cpu-intensive Dec 05 22:26:24 * alterego implements some weird QML item that allows setting child elements properties. Dec 05 22:32:44 lolcat, Omap3 SOC with Cortex A8 CPU core Dec 05 22:37:16 i recently looked into new compaq pc Dec 05 22:37:24 desktop Dec 05 22:37:28 and there was nothing inside Dec 05 22:37:40 motherboard with 2 chips on it Dec 05 22:37:43 + cpu Dec 05 22:37:49 + some passives Dec 05 22:37:56 ShadowJK_: What? Dec 05 22:38:24 it's more integrated than other stuff that is called SoC Dec 05 22:38:38 lolcat: google Dec 05 22:38:38 anybody expert on xchat colors in N900. Currently, xchat lights up the channel tab in red on message. can it be changed so that it only displays red when my nick is mentioned? Dec 05 22:38:49 lolcat, you asked about the CPU Dec 05 22:39:03 *red on any message. Dec 05 22:39:15 ShadowJK_: Oh, I got that answered with simply: ARM xD Dec 05 22:39:50 Red color is what konversation shows on my desktop. Dec 05 22:40:05 trumee, settings/interface/colors Dec 05 22:42:23 trumee: looked into color presets of xchat? Dec 05 22:44:29 trumee: settings -> preferences -> [Colors]: Interface Colors: New message:; Highlight:; Dec 05 22:45:26 lcuk, DocScrutinizer: that did it Dec 05 22:45:40 swapped the two colors. Dec 05 22:45:52 * DocScrutinizer ponders to change his settings while he's there Dec 05 22:46:23 nah, got used to it Dec 05 22:46:47 Konversation shows red color, so got used to it. Dec 05 22:47:03 on Konversation, yes :-D Dec 05 22:47:45 Red is more distracting than yellow. wanted to keep it to minimum. Dec 05 22:47:58 yellow?? Dec 05 22:48:14 yellow is barely visible on n900 screen Dec 05 22:48:30 I'm about to buy Atom instead of ARM … Dec 05 22:48:30 yes. new message was sort of yellowish for new message. Dec 05 22:49:00 umm, I have no yellow used here for anything Dec 05 22:49:05 I have fire or flame dark theme for xchat. Dec 05 22:49:05 konversation is ported to N900????? Dec 05 22:49:18 hahaha Dec 05 22:49:26 chx: it's just a recompile Dec 05 22:49:26 barely Dec 05 22:50:03 DocScrutinizer: if we omit the implied "Maemo" … :D Dec 05 22:50:19 yeah Dec 05 22:50:27 http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc2/fit-pc2i-specifications/ Dec 05 22:50:34 show me an ARM system that compares :/ Dec 05 22:50:37 that's why I say barely and not "absolutely not" Dec 05 22:50:53 lolcat: n900 Dec 05 22:50:55 is there any way to scroll through word-completion choices? Dec 05 22:51:14 jacekowski: What are we talking about? Dec 05 22:51:32 lolcat: n810 Dec 05 22:51:39 not you Dec 05 22:51:43 luke-jr: n900 is better Dec 05 22:51:48 jacekowski: no, it isn't. Dec 05 22:51:56 yes it is Dec 05 22:51:56 trumee: word completion is a piece of malware Dec 05 22:52:06 trumee: you should get rid of it Dec 05 22:52:12 DocScrutinizer, why? Dec 05 22:52:13 jacekowski: N900 has much slower CPU, less RAM, less USB, no SATA, no Ethernet, etc Dec 05 22:52:14 trumee: if you discover let me know :D Dec 05 22:52:23 luke-jr: you have no idea how slow atom is Dec 05 22:52:28 DocScrutinizer, sometimes it is useful. Dec 05 22:52:29 luke-jr: N810 has sata? And ethernet? Dec 05 22:52:36 trumee: rarely Dec 05 22:52:41 lolcat: no Dec 05 22:52:46 lolcat: 600MHz omap3 is comparable with 1.6GHz atom Dec 05 22:52:54 trumee: usually it's mindboggling and annoying Dec 05 22:52:58 jacekowski: 2 GHz Atom > 1.6 GHz Atom Dec 05 22:53:06 well Dec 05 22:53:13 * trumee wonders how iphone uses it. Dec 05 22:53:14 I dont understand why someone wanted to drag me into this discussion in the first place Dec 05 22:53:15 :P Dec 05 22:53:19 then you can go for apple tv Dec 05 22:53:36 jacekowski: I'm looking for a router+PBX+torrent box Dec 05 22:53:46 1GHz ARM Dec 05 22:53:49 512M of ram Dec 05 22:53:52 for £99 Dec 05 22:53:54 ios without hw keyboard probably use it a lot. Dec 05 22:54:06 lolcat: http://bec-systems.com/site/326/intel-atom-vs-ti-omap3 Dec 05 22:54:09 jacekowski: Ethernet? USB? Open? Dec 05 22:54:12 SATA? Dec 05 22:54:14 ethernet yes Dec 05 22:54:16 usb yes Dec 05 22:54:23 open - kinda sort of ish Dec 05 22:54:33 you can jailbreak it Dec 05 22:54:43 so not at all Dec 05 22:54:54 open means I can run a 100% GPL system on it Dec 05 22:55:00 darkschneider: Why are you telling me this? I haven't disagred, I don't really care, and I don't want to discuss this. Dec 05 22:55:18 lolcat: eheh sorry then, i should have missread :) Dec 05 22:55:44 Okey Dec 05 22:56:07 lolcat: but it's 4x cheaper Dec 05 22:56:30 C'mon! Dec 05 22:57:06 * DocScrutinizer laughs at jacekowski's ETAB and the confusion arising of it Dec 05 22:57:27 ETAB? Dec 05 22:57:30 ~dict ETAB Dec 05 22:57:33 could not find definition for ETAB Dec 05 22:57:36 lolcat: I think fit-PC2i still wins Dec 05 22:57:58 jacekowski: error codes tend to be E you mis-tabbed Dec 05 22:58:06 so, ETAB Dec 05 22:58:17 luke-jr: Over what? Dec 05 22:58:25 lolcat: anything comparable? Dec 05 22:58:46 Have I claimed something else? Dec 05 22:58:46 *Plug, OpenRD*, PandaBoard, Fuulong, Excito, RouterBoard Dec 05 22:58:48 jacekowski: ETAB := [2010-12-05 23:41:54] lolcat: n900 Dec 05 22:58:52 lolcat: shrug Dec 05 23:00:08 why are you pestering lolcat ?? Dec 05 23:00:40 I am deeply confused as to what made me a part of this discussion. I dont even understand haf of it. I bougth my N900 only because insurance was paying and it was expencive. I know the harware isnt superior, but it isn't really a issue for me. I like it because it is cool and expencive and I can rant about how free it is. End of discussion. I dont care about the hardware! Dec 05 23:00:44 because he's confusing my irssi Dec 05 23:01:09 lolcat: jacekowski did a faulty tab expansion to lolcat instead of luke-jr Dec 05 23:01:26 DocScrutinizer: And now it never ends? :S Dec 05 23:01:34 then everybody thought - for unknown reason - you ware the initiator of this weird discussion Dec 05 23:01:51 XD Dec 05 23:01:53 How weird Dec 05 23:02:00 It confused me Dec 05 23:02:08 s/ ware / were / Dec 05 23:02:10 DocScrutinizer meant: then everybody thought - for unknown reason - you were the initiator of this weird discussion Dec 05 23:02:41 Suddenly everyone was convincing me about benifits of diffrent types of hardware Dec 05 23:02:46 and you just admited to insurance fraud Dec 05 23:02:50 lolcat: should I kick them, for highlight spamming you? :-D Dec 05 23:02:53 LOL Dec 05 23:03:12 DocScrutinizer: Nah, just forcepart me and I'll come back later xD Dec 05 23:03:44 jacekowski: No, they said my old N97 was worth 5500NOK, the N900 was only 5000NOK, so they saved 500NOK Dec 05 23:07:23 N900 is worth more than n97 Dec 05 23:08:09 where was that dsme file that had information about latest restart reason Dec 05 23:10:57 900 > 97 Dec 05 23:12:27 I'm so tired of broken Telepathy plugins. Dec 05 23:14:33 should i get n900 for christmas? Dec 05 23:15:29 Scald, no Dec 05 23:15:40 n900 it is! Dec 05 23:15:48 woo! Dec 05 23:16:04 i passed the test Dec 05 23:16:53 yup. I guess you want it enough that you've already convinced yourself Dec 05 23:17:18 GAN900, what plugin broke? Dec 05 23:18:06 GAN900, i am having some weird issues with gtalk. It shows contact as offline few minutes into the chat. Dec 05 23:18:11 johnx: yea i guess.. i'd just like to hear some "user experiences" Dec 05 23:19:05 Scald, being specific will get you a long way :) Dec 05 23:19:37 Scald: it's a dead platform Dec 05 23:20:07 luke-jr, alternatives besides "wait for something else"? Dec 05 23:20:12 luke-jr: no more active community? Dec 05 23:20:38 johnx: dunno ☹ Dec 05 23:20:47 Scald, Nokia's putting all the future effort behind meego, which won't be "officially" supported on the N900 Dec 05 23:20:49 yea i dont really care for waiting for some unknown awesome future phone Dec 05 23:20:50 Scald: I wouldn't say no more, but not as much Dec 05 23:20:53 that's why I said "no" Dec 05 23:20:59 Scald: N900 isn't a phone Dec 05 23:21:05 luke-jr: i know Dec 05 23:21:27 tell me is the community still somewhat active? Dec 05 23:21:36 seems like it Dec 05 23:21:40 check out talk.maemo.org Dec 05 23:22:01 no, don't check out talk.maemo.org. the SNR will scare you away ;) Dec 05 23:22:03 johnx: talk.maemo.org counts as community? Dec 05 23:22:06 but the writing is already on the wall. Meego will be out sometime in 2011 I guess. first half of the year if I had to guess Dec 05 23:22:16 Scald: apart the techincal things i find myself well with N900, i use mainly it's phone and agenda and as alarm clock, with occasional ssh connections to server for administration and occasional gps navigation. Considering the proce drop, it's not a bad product at all Dec 05 23:22:43 darkschneider: yup.. i need a new geek toy :D Dec 05 23:22:50 luke-jr, meh Dec 05 23:23:05 Scald: if you are looking for a geek toy, look no further. future meego devices are most likely not as hackable as the n900 Dec 05 23:23:05 Scald: N900 made a lot of the community leave and/or declare they will never buy Nokia again Dec 05 23:23:41 luke-jr, and this is different from other vendors in what way? Dec 05 23:23:51 Scald: i admit i personally do not understand why people lament about the phone... it worked for me. It is heavy, true, but as much as an Icrap. Navigation og interent works pretty well if you are reasonable that you are on a such small device Dec 05 23:23:58 well the n900 seems to be a very potential device (even though its getting older) Dec 05 23:24:01 johnx: I'm not making a comparison. Dec 05 23:24:18 Scald: it would have potential if it were open Dec 05 23:24:49 depending on what you want to do with it, it may or may not be open enough. if you want to be hacking at a level very close to the hardware, it's not quite open enough Dec 05 23:24:54 Scald: nonetheless i used it as a mobile hotspot on occasion and as a playing platform or usb key... let's say it does LOT of stuff in one device, maybe not all the things at the best. but still you can carry just ONE device around Dec 05 23:24:55 johnx, wouldn't bother with the double quotes. Dec 05 23:25:35 johnx, N900 isn't getting MeeGo in a useful way at all unless a big direction shift takes place with the existing efforts or a lot of people start pushing that way. Dec 05 23:25:39 yea im no hacker.. i do some occasional ssh tasks etc Dec 05 23:25:41 darkschneider: do note that the mobile hotspot function doesn't quite work Dec 05 23:26:05 luke-jr: it worked before upgrade Dec 05 23:26:25 darkschneider: intermittantly Dec 05 23:26:36 luke-jr: but true that it's 3-4 weeks it's broken, but i think it's goign to be fixed, i'm sure :) Dec 05 23:26:43 trumee, AIM Dec 05 23:26:46 GAN900, what makes you say that? did Stskeeps, etc get pulled off the project or something? Dec 05 23:27:18 but does, say, firefox still get updates for the n900? Dec 05 23:27:24 luke-jr: do not missunderstand me, i'mnto saying it's the best device around. just that it does pretty much stuff in a decent way, not perfect, but still most of the stuff i could not do it it wasn't for it Dec 05 23:27:29 johnx, it's fairly clear THAT effort is only to get an ARM development platform. Dec 05 23:27:39 Scald: Firefox doesn't run on N900/Maemo… Dec 05 23:27:46 Well, vanilla MeeGo in itself seems a bit useless :) Dec 05 23:27:48 There's no interest there in providing day-to-day functionality. Dec 05 23:28:03 Scald, the firefox for maemo is a bit slowish. probably won't ever be fast ... Dec 05 23:28:03 luke-jr: doesn't it? :O Dec 05 23:28:17 johnx: yea that was just an example Dec 05 23:28:19 luke-jr: ??? has firefox stopped working??? Dec 05 23:28:32 luke-jr, fennec does Dec 05 23:28:53 (tho it still seems to `eat ram like candy' :) Dec 05 23:29:01 darkschneider: never did? Dec 05 23:29:03 what i meant was since nokia isn't interested in the device anymore, are any of the software developers still interested? Dec 05 23:29:04 GAN900, I don't see you on meego-arm ... Dec 05 23:29:05 It's Mer all over again. Dec 05 23:29:07 luke-jr: i admit i use it rarely cause the reduced one works best, and i'm too lazy to go to the phone just now and try it, but last time firefox was fine :D Dec 05 23:29:13 Except with more corporate money. Dec 05 23:29:28 Firefox barely runs on my desktop, I can't imagine it runnign on N900 Dec 05 23:29:28 johnx, what am I gonna bring to the table there? Dec 05 23:29:33 luke-jr: works Dec 05 23:29:44 luke-jr: It runs OK Dec 05 23:29:51 luke-jr: last time i used it on the mofo it was working. do you havet he phone actually? Dec 05 23:30:06 GAN900, you're not following status updates, but you're still telling me that there's no progress Dec 05 23:30:16 so pardon me if I don't really care about your PoV in this case Dec 05 23:30:17 its called fennec tho not firefox Dec 05 23:30:24 johnx, I didn't say there wasn't any progress. Dec 05 23:30:27 its the mobile `branch' Dec 05 23:30:28 nox-, says firefox under the icon for me ;) Dec 05 23:30:35 darkschneider: I have a N900, which isn't a phone, yes. Dec 05 23:30:47 Fennec != Firefox Dec 05 23:30:52 The point was made pretty firmly in Dublin that the goal is only to provide a dev platform. Dec 05 23:30:54 GAN900, whatever. this conversation isn't going anywhere productive Dec 05 23:31:27 johnx, evidently not. Dec 05 23:31:47 huh? Dec 05 23:32:05 Which point? Dec 05 23:32:47 GAN900, aaah, I thought you were disagreeing with me, saying that conversation *is* going somewhere productive :) Dec 05 23:33:11 luke-jr: mmm, somehow my character does not suit with your way of expressing :) I feel like you want to have some of your sentences "fall from above" and are "granted" :) but it's only a feeling, so correct me if it's a wrong feeling :) Dec 05 23:34:32 johnx, not looking like something that's going to help people who actually want to use their devices. Dec 05 23:35:45 GAN900, I think you might be misreading the situation a bit. At v1.1, MeeGo isn't really day-to-day usable on *any* hardware Dec 05 23:35:58 Right Dec 05 23:36:21 so there's two projects in progress 1) MeeGo development 2) specific N900 hardware support Dec 05 23:36:24 And I'm not particularly optimistic about that situation improving. Dec 05 23:36:42 Do you consider the N900 day-to-day usable with Maemo 5? Dec 05 23:36:48 Yes Dec 05 23:36:58 Frustrating at times, but very usable. Dec 05 23:37:03 Do you think Nokia suddenly forgot how to make a usable phone OS? Dec 05 23:37:25 no, they never learned what smartphones are Dec 05 23:37:34 Harmattan HE is a different can of worms. Dec 05 23:37:46 the whole symbian crap on smartphones was a real dissaster Dec 05 23:37:48 Which I'm not particularly optimistic about, either. Dec 05 23:37:49 GAN900, yeah. that's the more "Mer-like" one in my mind Dec 05 23:38:01 more hidden features under buttons than a linux kernel has /proc entries Dec 05 23:38:49 Hermattan HE seems like "hey, let's try and backport a half-proprietary distro that was specifically designed for a single piece of hardware back to an old device" Dec 05 23:39:15 very mer-like, or 2008HE-like or 2007HE-like Dec 05 23:39:18 I disagree, Symbian was the first smart phone os, no one knew what they were doing. And series 60 has and always has had more features out of the box than any other product. Dec 05 23:39:38 alterego, I'd say that Nokia missed "Smartphone 2.0" :-) Dec 05 23:39:47 Whereas they practically invented Smartphone 1.0 Dec 05 23:39:54 Harmatten has a lot in common with meego, same touch framework Dec 05 23:40:05 (and US entirely skipped Smartphone 1.0 too) Dec 05 23:40:25 If we can get a good set of community core apps for meego we should be set for a Harmatten like system. Dec 05 23:40:26 what is harmattan nowdays? Dec 05 23:40:33 will it actually be released and used? Dec 05 23:40:58 FIQ, with the N9, yes Dec 05 23:41:15 Wasn't it supposed to have MeeGo 1.x? D: Dec 05 23:41:21 Judging by Nokias input in the arm meego work, I'd say Harmatten is definitely their next target Dec 05 23:41:45 or maybe harmattan IS some release of MeeGo Dec 05 23:41:46 FIQ, in a lot of ways, harmattan should be kinda similar to meego 1.2 Dec 05 23:41:57 but they'd started it before meego existed Dec 05 23:43:21 meeGo HE always been Hybrid Edition for me, and actually is 80% harmattan plus 20% meego native look-alike Dec 05 23:46:24 and it definitely id a futile effort, as it implements enough new stuff to be both of inferior quality and usability, as well as beeing too far away from real meego to ever see any bugfix effort. Nobody will be happy with it Dec 05 23:46:54 DocScrutinizer++ Dec 05 23:47:14 (keep in mind how often DocScrutinizer and I agree ... ) Dec 05 23:47:41 not following upstream is basically a death sentence for a small project Dec 05 23:47:50 I think that there will be a better upgrade path for the N9 Dec 05 23:48:09 alterego, I think I'll wait and see :) Dec 05 23:49:32 alterego, I doubt it. Dec 05 23:49:39 Nokia still doesn't get it. Dec 05 23:49:43 can you hit a moving target of every other smartphone OS if you don't commit the whole company to it? Dec 05 23:49:49 Best not to get your hopes up. Dec 05 23:52:26 buying a device based on what you think a company might do in the future is always a wager with long odds Dec 05 23:52:52 I know people who *still* think Apple will allow free-for-all 3rd part development at some point :D Dec 05 23:53:34 I'm afraid of Nokia rolling out N9 with "meego" HE, and thus both killing the N9 as it will receive devastating surveys,as well as meego at large Dec 05 23:54:12 while the irony is it's actually not any kinf of meego really Dec 05 23:54:59 yeah, that worries me a bit Dec 05 23:55:23 Nokia would be better off rolling out N9 with maemo PR1.0.1-revised Dec 05 23:55:39 and clearly labeled as "PRELIMINARY" Dec 05 23:55:52 and then do a major API-break? Dec 05 23:56:00 not sure that's a terribly great idea either Dec 05 23:56:04 instead of burning both meego brand and N9 model reputation Dec 05 23:56:16 Nokia's killed developer momentum over and over again Dec 05 23:56:26 yeah Dec 05 23:56:36 they have no clue about software Dec 05 23:57:03 so either they roll out N9 soon, with *maemo*, or they wait until meego native is at productive state Dec 05 23:57:16 mavhk, I think they're in the middle of figuring out the hard way that software needs to lead, not hardware Dec 05 23:57:32 Big ships turn slow Dec 05 23:57:33 indeed Dec 05 23:57:45 I doubt Nokia will ever really get that, though. Dec 05 23:57:46 apparently the hw people pick what sw they want Dec 05 23:57:53 DocScrutinizer, or they'll split the difference and deliver harmattan, and we can just hope it'll be API compatible with meego Dec 05 23:57:54 Maybe with the new managers. . . . Dec 05 23:58:06 * Jay_BEE looks around and reads the scroll Dec 05 23:58:22 johnx: (compatible) that's been the promise since ages Dec 05 23:58:48 DocScrutinizer, if they can do that, I think it might actually work out ok Dec 05 23:59:07 my n810 broke, I bought a droid Dec 05 23:59:15 not for meego-maemo-hybrid bastard Dec 05 23:59:33 it will be compatible to exactly NOTHING Dec 05 23:59:47 neither maemo, nor meego, nor even the wiki or manuals Dec 05 23:59:51 Droids have such cheap hw Dec 05 23:59:58 not to talk about SDK Dec 06 00:00:24 * johnx still has nightmares about the OS2007 and OS2008 "SDKs" Dec 06 00:01:14 n810 was more expensive than droid 1 on ebay, and only lasted 2 years Dec 06 00:01:46 oh hey john Dec 06 00:01:50 *oh hey johnx Dec 06 00:01:53 hey rm_you Dec 06 00:02:08 GAN900: there's this guy here that i swear to god looks EXACTLY like you T_T Dec 06 00:02:27 lol Dec 06 00:02:30 every time i go to lunch and he's there, i feel the urge to talk to him about Maemo Dec 06 00:02:35 Weird Dec 06 00:02:37 and he stares at me blankly Dec 06 00:02:50 doppleganger! Dec 06 00:03:21 anywho, do you think it'd be worth it to dust off ABL at this point and actually bother porting it to like... meego? Dec 06 00:03:41 or do they finally support good backlight levels :P Dec 06 00:03:57 i don't understand how this concept is so difficult for them T_T Dec 06 00:04:11 working on some hardware abstraction might be worth it Dec 06 00:04:27 rm_you: LCD backlight management is FUBAR Dec 06 00:04:38 Netbook UX is useless Dec 06 00:08:05 I wonder about the tablet UX Dec 06 00:09:21 What Tablet UX? Dec 06 00:09:57 GAN900: netbook ux is more tablet ux than entbook ux... Dec 06 00:10:14 google seems to have references to it, but ... I guess maybe it disappeared or got renamed or something? Dec 06 00:10:18 or merged into netbook? Dec 06 00:10:39 johnx: merged? no way Dec 06 00:10:51 netbook ux was that crap from the start on Dec 06 00:11:12 sooo, there is or isn't a tablet ux? Dec 06 00:11:38 johnx, isn't a thing yet Dec 06 00:11:45 No working group, no code. Dec 06 00:11:49 isn't Dec 06 00:11:57 bleh Dec 06 00:12:03 Just a plan for it to be a supported hardware type. Dec 06 00:12:06 johnx: ??? Dec 06 00:12:41 johnx: as I just said netbook ux feels more like a tablet ux atm Dec 06 00:13:16 is it actually comfortable to use on a 7" - 10" tablet? Dec 06 00:13:35 No Dec 06 00:13:45 Can't get to the toolbar with the touchscreen. Dec 06 00:13:52 heh Dec 06 00:14:00 it is not even comfortable on an 11" netbook... Dec 06 00:14:40 or 10" or 9" Dec 06 00:15:25 so, maybe I'll hold off on a tablet purchase then ... Dec 06 00:16:08 johnx: the more you talk the more I think you will find yourself a better place... Dec 06 00:16:13 johnx, only get something if it's got a decent screen. Dec 06 00:16:26 Poor viewing angles are really killer with tablets. Dec 06 00:16:30 chem|st, hmm? Dec 06 00:16:50 GAN900, I need to get some hands-on time with the nook color, but that's what I was thinking about Dec 06 00:17:32 johnx: there is no good hardware out yet and there is no good ux out yet closest to usable are galaxy and iPad and both are way of my path Dec 06 00:17:44 mine too Dec 06 00:18:01 I have no interest in android or iOS (either the apple one or the cisco one ;) ) Dec 06 00:18:35 johnx: get yourself a netbook and a $80 touchscreen, much more use Dec 06 00:19:14 sadly, netbook hardware doesn't interest me much either for tablet uses Dec 06 00:19:50 I'm happy to hack on unfinished stuff, but I have no interest in doing the project by myself Dec 06 00:20:13 so I'll just poke at meego/pandora for now :) Dec 06 00:20:41 * GAN900 bookseller. Dec 06 00:22:38 wrong channel btw... Dec 06 00:23:59 :P Dec 06 00:24:34 more on-topic than a lot of the other stuff on here Dec 06 00:28:04 johnx, oh, and you and rm_you both suck for not making Dublin. Dec 06 00:28:15 I WANTED TO Dec 06 00:28:18 could not get time off Dec 06 00:28:23 I asked if I could take unpaid time off Dec 06 00:28:44 GAN900, haven't been in maemo-land for the last year, so I didn't want to ask for sponsorship Dec 06 00:28:46 their response was "Sure, but only if it's for the next 80 years" Dec 06 00:28:50 and couldn't make it without sponsorship Dec 06 00:28:58 yeah, same, except i could afford the trip Dec 06 00:29:00 but Dec 06 00:29:22 since i have a job and could afford the trip, i have a job and couldn't leave T_T Dec 06 00:31:46 Plan for SF in April. Dec 06 00:32:35 hmm? Dec 06 00:32:39 what's happening there? Dec 06 00:32:48 Next conference. Dec 06 00:33:21 Industry oriented, but still MeeGo Dec 06 00:33:47 maybe I can get work to send me Dec 06 00:34:39 but international meego summit is in june? Dec 06 00:35:06 November Dec 06 00:35:49 I'm looking at wiki.meego.com/Events . Should I be looking somewhere else? Dec 06 00:36:42 Funny that they call the SF one industry oriented given the number of OEMs and commercial devs in Dublin. Dec 06 00:37:04 Was definitely not a Maemo event. Dec 06 00:37:35 having more than one company with their ass on the line is probably for the best Dec 06 00:38:04 Aye Dec 06 00:38:08 AMD++ Dec 06 00:38:21 Especially from the point of view of dilution of effort. Dec 06 00:38:24 They spent SO much money Dec 06 00:38:46 Paid for exactlyone drink the whole trip. Dec 06 00:40:23 soo, on the events list I see the april event in SF and i see "international meego summit" for may 30 - april 1 in Finland. Dec 06 00:40:34 I was really surprised by the AMD announcement. Dec 06 00:40:51 unofficial thing. Dec 06 00:41:13 it's awesome, cause it's essentially a vote of "no confidence" in microsoft from both x86 vendors Dec 06 00:41:56 Well, for WP7 anyway. Dec 06 00:42:44 (can't believe we're still stuck with the x86 duopoly) Dec 06 00:42:57 I just hope intel doesn't crush ARM Dec 06 00:43:07 that would be bad I think Dec 06 00:43:22 I find it unlikely. Dec 06 00:43:38 Intel used to sell arm Dec 06 00:43:44 Really not ultimately in their best interests. Dec 06 00:44:21 SpeedEvil, yup. they also used to say that itanium was the future Dec 06 00:44:35 ia432 looked interesting Dec 06 00:44:41 i wouldn't go and buy plane tickets for the sf event until it's confirmed :P Dec 06 00:44:41 I wonder what'd have happened if it came off. Dec 06 00:44:49 i've heard may dates, yet the events page lists april Dec 06 00:44:52 Be nice to ditch x86 Dec 06 00:44:59 ieatlint, If all goes well, I won't be buying my own plane tickets for it Dec 06 00:45:01 scummvm \o/ Dec 06 00:45:02 (though I was more interested in crayons at the time) Dec 06 00:45:12 johnx: hah, good luck then :) Dec 06 00:45:22 It's incredible the technical and economic damage MS has done. Dec 06 00:45:25 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_iAPX_432 Dec 06 00:45:37 The 32 bit processor for the 1980s Dec 06 00:45:51 With all sorts of stuff that still hasn't come to mainstream. Dec 06 00:45:59 i wonder how to stretch the scummvm video size to cover the whole screen area Dec 06 00:55:05 hi Dec 06 00:55:10 hallo Dec 06 00:58:37 yeah i have more vacation time next year Dec 06 00:58:40 so I will go to SF :) Dec 06 00:58:42 also I love SF Dec 06 00:58:51 rm_you, yeah. I need to get back to SF as well Dec 06 00:58:55 though I also really would have liked to visit dublin Dec 06 00:59:26 yeah. just wasn't in the cards for this year Dec 06 00:59:31 * ieatlint is from sf... i can offer peoples advice Dec 06 00:59:46 I've visited SF, it's awesome Dec 06 00:59:54 spent a day in japantown Dec 06 01:00:01 like where to eat, where to avoid to get mugged (or conversely, where to go to mug), or buy drugs Dec 06 01:00:04 need to find a better ramen place next time tho Dec 06 01:00:52 ieatlint, I'm from san mateo, but that was 20 years ago :) Dec 06 01:01:04 the good ramen is in the richmond and sunset districts... a 45min+ trek from downtown by public transit Dec 06 01:01:19 hehe, where are you now then? Dec 06 01:01:21 half of me wants to drive down from seattle ... Dec 06 01:01:27 ah Dec 06 01:01:32 yeah, seattle > san mateo Dec 06 01:01:52 well, when I say seattle, I mean bellevue Dec 06 01:01:59 and bellevue vs san mateo ... hmm Dec 06 01:02:08 not the worst drive, but if it's just you, the cost of gas will rival airfare Dec 06 01:02:23 yeah, which is why I need to con someone else into coming along Dec 06 01:02:59 where are you now, ieatlint? Dec 06 01:03:10 in sf Dec 06 01:03:27 heh, too bad i'm not in seattle :P Dec 06 01:03:42 yeah, I might just end up flying Dec 06 01:03:44 presidio on the edge of the richmond Dec 06 01:04:08 planning to stop by the embedded linux / meego thing in april? Dec 06 01:04:31 interested, but haven't looked into it Dec 06 01:05:22 the website seems rather bare Dec 06 01:05:34 and doesn't list an upcoming event Dec 06 01:05:43 the public wiki on ce linux returns a 403 Dec 06 01:05:46 very fitting Dec 06 02:21:47 I'm trying to think what library I should use for mp3 decoding Dec 06 02:21:55 I'm thinking about using libavcodec Dec 06 02:22:11 I'm trying to not use libphonon Dec 06 02:23:14 gstreamer? Dec 06 02:24:29 I was thinking about that but i'm really going for performance Dec 06 02:24:34 https://datatype.helixcommunity.org/Mp3dec Dec 06 02:24:40 also does gstreamer allow you to apply ladspa effects Dec 06 02:24:40 see that - arm optimised Dec 06 02:26:43 thanks Dec 06 02:53:20 media player is not finding the songs on my sdhc card - is there any way to persuade it to? Dec 06 02:53:43 maher, what format is your sd card? Dec 06 02:53:55 johnsu01: ext3 Dec 06 02:54:20 dunno if that makes a difference or not (and yes, I know it *shouldn't* make a difference) Dec 06 02:54:48 does it find one if you copy it to the music folder on the device itself? Dec 06 02:54:58 johnsu01: it used to in the past, but i switched sims temporarily and now it doesn't find them (sims should be irrelevent one would hope...) Dec 06 02:55:18 johnsu01: it finds the music in the main fs Dec 06 02:55:37 careful with the tab :) Dec 06 02:56:08 remove and reinsert card? just for fun Dec 06 02:56:13 * GAN900 re-reads AnandTech's N900 review. Dec 06 02:59:20 johnx: ok - i'm lying - its only finding the .mp3's - nearly everything is in oggs.... Dec 06 02:59:46 heh. well that's different :) do you have ogg-support or whatever it's called? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Dec 06 02:59:57 2010