**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 09 02:59:57 2010 Dec 09 03:00:00 950 works fine Dec 09 03:00:10 500 is the sticking point Dec 09 03:00:40 some atom have 950? Dec 09 03:00:50 sure my asus netbook does Dec 09 03:01:06 well my non tablet netbook does Dec 09 03:01:24 my tablet has the mthr f*ng 500 my t91mt Dec 09 03:01:34 I have to use windows 7 with it so sad Dec 09 03:02:34 the EMGD is almost there I here Dec 09 03:02:43 s/here/hear Dec 09 03:03:38 sorry about the obscenity but it's important to me Dec 09 03:03:59 ok sorry Dec 09 03:04:07 luke-jr: huh? Dec 09 03:04:47 luke-jr: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsPoulsbo/ study the 3D column. Dec 09 03:06:55 back Dec 09 03:07:19 maybe steve is right, flash just crashed my linux machine, at least the UI Dec 09 03:09:07 this vilic s5 looks awesome indeed Dec 09 03:09:15 viliv Dec 09 03:10:09 chx: Ubuntu likes to swap Linux out for proprietary forks of it when they feel like it Dec 09 03:10:31 that's totally not the case in this case.... but, as you wish Dec 09 03:10:51 chx: then show me the source Dec 09 03:11:08 that page itself says it is closed Dec 09 03:11:31 " Due to partial close nature of the driver, because Intel has not released an open source driver" Dec 09 03:12:09 luke-jr: some atom have gma950 or descendants (gma3150 is the one on the meegoconf lenovos) Dec 09 03:12:20 conveniently, gma950 works with the i915 driver... Dec 09 03:13:37 you said " Ubuntu likes to swap Linux out for properitary forks of it" -- this is something I do not even want to begin to debate. Dec 09 03:14:53 this basically says there is a "Linux" and there are "properitary forks" of it. Really, whatever, Despite being an open source for more than six years now, I did not become a zealot. There is no point in debating zealotry. Dec 09 03:15:02 *open source programmer Dec 09 03:15:27 that is the reality Dec 09 03:17:08 Your reality, of course. There is another, of course :) Dec 09 03:17:13 nonsense Dec 09 03:17:14 there is one reality Dec 09 03:17:50 it only seems like there are multiple to someone who is delusional Dec 09 03:29:27 there are multiple realities Dec 09 03:29:34 i see people all the time experiencing them Dec 09 03:29:47 it's amazing what a little robotic helicopter can do :) http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8O5RBcwmjY Dec 09 04:08:01 Good morning Dec 09 04:13:02 ieatlint: delusions are not realities Dec 09 04:13:57 DocScrutinizer: Thanks, I guess the battery is too low. Charging the BL-5J in N810 - thanks someone's post in internet and Quim. Dec 09 04:28:07 luke-jr, difficult thing to objectively measure. Dec 09 04:29:10 yeah, i'd say reality is extremely subjective Dec 09 04:29:57 Now, try sitting in front of a mirror and saying your own name 100 times slowly. Dec 09 04:30:33 GAN900: measurement is another matter :_ Dec 09 04:30:34 ☺ Dec 09 04:31:44 luke-jr, did you bring this damn cold weather down with you? Dec 09 04:34:43 GAN900: sorry ☹ Dec 09 04:41:30 eggonlea: good :-) and welcome Dec 09 04:55:35 ~xyawn Dec 09 04:55:35 extra, extra, read all about it, xyawn is coffee Dec 09 04:55:47 ~botsnack Dec 09 04:55:47 DocScrutinizer: :) Dec 09 04:56:05 morning Dec 09 05:03:22 mo moh Dec 09 05:11:50 hola Dec 09 05:13:12 hi Dec 09 05:30:38 ~lart phone companies Dec 09 05:30:38 * infobot pries phone companies's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to phone companies Dec 09 05:30:56 I wish it was that simple infobot, but thanks for the thought Dec 09 06:08:00 guys what are these? Dec 09 06:08:01 http://img.techpowerup.org/101209/Capture2001.jpg Dec 09 06:08:38 are they somekind of recording? Dec 09 06:09:27 some kind of control for switching which camera is used by default Dec 09 06:10:06 alright. Dec 09 06:13:58 moo all Dec 09 06:14:03 morning/night johnx Dec 09 06:14:37 mornin' RST38h Dec 09 06:15:43 lolloo, johnx: I believe the picture is about a package called "maemo5-load-applet", and the camera icon on the right if for taking a screenshot. Dec 09 06:16:13 ah, maybe so then. thanks Dec 09 06:18:30 I still need to scroll down to get to flashlight Dec 09 06:18:43 but in the screenshot it seems constant Dec 09 06:19:08 how can I make all apear without scrolling the status menu? Dec 09 06:20:02 I have 5 lines including the battery, but the sixth line is hidden Dec 09 06:20:14 needs scrolling down more. Dec 09 06:20:26 hello people Dec 09 06:21:09 are there any developers here? Dec 09 06:21:34 what kind of developers are you looking for? Dec 09 06:23:00 lolloo: I suppose you have lots of packages installed which add their icon there. Not all apps do that, but some do. Dec 09 06:23:04 anybody that develops for n900... python specifically. Dec 09 06:23:11 hehe Dec 09 06:24:03 i was just curious if anybody's used illumination software creator to make apps for the n900.. Dec 09 06:34:00 hmm swappolube crashes when started Dec 09 06:34:16 is there a way to debug this actually ... why an application is crashing? :/ Dec 09 06:37:03 actually what am i asking ... first look at the logs :x Dec 09 06:37:33 try and run it from an xterm Dec 09 06:37:44 hmmm Dec 09 06:37:59 lastlog is 8.4 MB but a tail -50 lastlog gives nothing???? :/ Dec 09 06:40:44 lolloo: johnx: the left one is for screencasts (taking video screenshots), the right one is triggering a picture screenshot Dec 09 06:40:55 cute Dec 09 06:41:07 I ASSumed, and it seems I was wrong :) Dec 09 06:41:12 awesome Dec 09 06:41:36 I thought it would be something related to streaming camera over to pc Dec 09 06:41:40 and yes, it's a icing on top of load applet Dec 09 06:42:29 where the sip module implements api v8.0 but the pyqt4gui module requires api v7.1 Dec 09 06:42:33 ???? Dec 09 06:42:37 not that screen video works exceptionally well for me. I get jumps and dropouts that make it basically worthless Dec 09 06:43:16 kinda fast forward video Dec 09 06:43:20 i need to upgrade PyQT or something? Dec 09 06:45:18 already been thinking to scratch my whole n900 Dec 09 06:45:25 and start over from a new install :/ Dec 09 06:45:39 but reinstalling all applications ... Dec 09 06:46:01 restoring a backup probably drags in dirty stuff? :/ Dec 09 06:46:06 ...is a snap with backup app Dec 09 06:46:09 so i better export a package list? Dec 09 06:46:37 nono i mean scratch as in complete reflash the whole thing Dec 09 06:46:47 it drags in your contacts Dec 09 06:46:56 backup app is just doing that: keeping a list of apps to re-install Dec 09 06:47:09 I think it got corrupted and gui settings? :p Dec 09 06:47:15 damn sorry Dec 09 06:47:21 and the gui layout ? Dec 09 06:47:24 is that kept? Dec 09 06:47:33 yes Dec 09 06:47:36 you can tell backup to keep or not keep various different things Dec 09 06:47:43 how about simply starting it and see for yourself? Dec 09 06:47:57 when I backup-reflash-restore, I choose to only restore contacts, events and conversations usually Dec 09 06:48:25 DocScrutinizer: well I did not consider yet to reflash Dec 09 06:48:43 but lately it got screwed up so much ... :/ Dec 09 06:48:55 Gh0sty: so what? it's not forbidden to use backup/restore any time you like Dec 09 06:49:22 ok :P Dec 09 06:49:30 and honestly, if a restore of a backup taken 5 minutes before would alter your system, then you really had a reason to bitch at Nokia Dec 09 06:49:34 you gave me confidence ... this weekend I'll reflash :) Dec 09 06:50:10 I'm always a bit afraid to start over ... on desktops the same ... :) Dec 09 06:50:17 but especially on my phone :p Dec 09 06:50:27 Gh0sty: Did I suggest to reflash?? o.O I said you should start backup app and make yourself comfortable with it Dec 09 06:50:33 I guess for you guys thats in a blink of an eye :p Dec 09 06:51:17 nono I have backups thats not the problem ... it's just I never tried a restore before either ... Dec 09 06:51:29 usually upgrading just resolves most issues Dec 09 06:51:34 so why don't you just do that? Dec 09 06:51:50 I will but for now I still want to be able to work ;p Dec 09 06:52:05 restoring to the system state of now-5min must not do any harm, no? Dec 09 06:52:47 no :) Dec 09 06:53:18 then you know what you're going to face when you do a restore after flashing Dec 09 06:53:43 which should make you feel much less scared Dec 09 06:53:44 ah so swappolube is missing the pyqt dependency ... :p Dec 09 06:53:48 thats the solution Dec 09 06:55:07 http://img.techpowerup.org/101209/Capture2002.jpg Dec 09 06:55:15 guys how can i rmove the battery from there?V Dec 09 06:55:22 remove* Dec 09 07:00:22 * DocScrutinizer is wondering who's maintaining backup app. Should learn to strongly recommend to user to do a backup prior to a restore run Dec 09 07:02:40 backupA...