**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 12 02:59:58 2010 Dec 12 03:00:06 MohammadAG: i guess i shouldn't try sleeping with my 50mm drivers x) Dec 12 03:00:19 but in case things are too loud use ear plugs Dec 12 03:00:24 or get more tired Dec 12 03:00:29 so you will eventually sleep Dec 12 03:00:39 * MohammadAG starts fapman Dec 12 03:01:15 good idea :) Dec 12 03:01:19 *starting as well* Dec 12 03:01:39 i wonder how my speed will increase when i go 50k dsl x) Dec 12 03:06:49 MohammadAG: hands on the blanket! Dec 12 03:09:11 I wonder how to operate backup-menu. There's no URL in HAM "description", no icon, no nuttin the common luser may get a clue what to do Dec 12 03:16:11 now honestly, how am I supposed to learn about backup-menu? Google for it? Dec 12 03:16:48 http://maemo.org/downloads/search/application.html?org_openpsa_products_search[1][property]=title&org_openpsa_products_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search[1][value]=backup&org_openpsa_products_search[2][property]=os&org_openpsa_products_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search[2][value]=Maemo5&fetch=Search is futile Dec 12 03:16:55 what time is it for you MohammadAG ? Dec 12 03:18:19 prolly 5:17AM at his TZ Dec 12 03:21:38 whoah, just +1 from me Dec 12 03:21:49 i am gmt+1 Dec 12 03:21:55 +1 one for dst Dec 12 03:50:42 err, where's that? new zealand? Dec 12 03:53:13 That's about 12 hours off from New Zealand. Dec 12 04:16:25 MohammadAG: MohammadAG !! MohammadAG , h-e-n wants to install enhanced linux kernel for power users (2.6.28-maemo46)! Dec 12 04:17:23 and that while I installed uboot-v46 a minute ago Dec 12 04:25:01 FFS Dec 12 04:28:39 unlike with uboot-v46, h-e-n GUI installation via HAM pops up those warning dialogs. Disagreeing about installation of pk results in "installation of h-e-n not possible" Dec 12 04:29:20 MohammadAG: please check the dependencies of h-e-n, as well as provides of uboot-v46 Dec 12 04:30:04 I guess for now I have to install h-e-n with standard pk, then reinstall uboot-pk Dec 12 04:49:39 MohammadAG: Dec 12 04:49:41 t900:~# ls -l /opt/h-e-n/mount.sh Dec 12 04:49:42 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2087 Nov 22 22:09 /opt/h-e-n/mount.sh Dec 12 04:49:48 +x missing Dec 12 04:50:12 bme (stop) waiting Dec 12 04:50:14 sh: /opt/h-e-n/mount.sh: Permission denied Dec 12 04:51:03 DocScrutinizer: i guess he might be sleeping ;) Dec 12 04:51:34 doesn't matter, he'll see it in a few hours, and others might be interested as well Dec 12 04:51:47 x) Dec 12 04:51:52 i see your point :) Dec 12 04:59:11 i will go sleeping now, see you all later Dec 12 04:59:24 cya Dec 12 04:59:29 gnite Dec 12 05:03:22 thanks, dir auch x) Dec 12 06:20:30 MohammadAG: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=895032#post895032 Dec 12 06:35:19 * Termana shakes fist at shoddy connection Dec 12 08:12:39 meh Dec 12 08:12:44 Dec 12 09:02:02 t900 hulda[1238]: kdbus_sock_cb:204: unknown GIOCondition 9 for FD 7 Dec 12 08:12:45 Dec 12 09:02:33 t900 last message repeated 116783 times Dec 12 08:12:46 Dec 12 09:01:05 t900 last message repeated 231701 times Dec 12 08:22:50 A formal proposal to the United States government to introduce an eighth day to the week. This day would be employed in spiritual contemplation and the worship of pagan divinities the document calls "under-represented". Dec 12 08:29:04 wheeeeee hostmode works Dec 12 08:29:32 hello everyone Dec 12 08:30:24 any nice game would you recommend for maemo? Dec 12 08:30:26 :) Dec 12 08:30:39 Tetrs? Dec 12 08:30:42 *tetris Dec 12 08:32:41 there's plenty of nice games for maemo Dec 12 08:47:46 ds3: sure, what else? Dec 12 08:49:21 definitely time for breakfast, cya Dec 12 08:51:19 hmm DocScrutinizer is european? :o Dec 12 08:51:30 I was thinking you were american or something :) Dec 12 08:59:58 because of my texas slang or what? Dec 12 09:00:30 no because of you always being online :p Dec 12 09:00:51 in the middle of the night ... early in the morning (at least for me) Dec 12 09:01:02 and since i'm at central european time ... Dec 12 09:01:13 I was assuming you were from the US :) Dec 12 09:02:01 where are you from actually? I see you have a server at france but thats probably not your origin based on the name :p Dec 12 09:03:19 what the heck, sever in france? Dec 12 09:03:38 oh my bad Dec 12 09:03:44 please elaborate Dec 12 09:03:51 you are on the french irc server ;0 Dec 12 09:04:01 you whois information ... :p Dec 12 09:04:04 never mind that Dec 12 09:04:17 grrr Dec 12 09:04:35 ?? Dec 12 09:04:38 ?? Dec 12 09:05:11 now what? :p Dec 12 09:09:27 DocScrutinizer: don't like french servers? :p Dec 12 09:09:37 exactly Dec 12 09:10:07 and now I think I know where you are from Dec 12 09:10:22 and I start to hate konversation, as it doesn't regard the sorting of server priorities I configured Dec 12 09:10:29 eastern germany or further east ... poland ? Dec 12 09:10:43 not exactly Dec 12 09:10:55 russia then? :p Dec 12 09:10:59 more like southewrn Dec 12 09:11:11 * Gh0sty opens a map Dec 12 09:11:58 may I tell you it's too cold here? Dec 12 09:12:02 ~weather EDDN Dec 12 09:12:05 Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2010.12.12 0850 UTC; Dew Point: 32 F (0 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.85 in. Hg (1011 hPa); Relative Humidity: 86%; Sky conditions: partly cloudy; Temperature: 35 F (2 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the W (280 degrees) at 15 MPH (13 KT); Windchill: 24 F (-4 C) Dec 12 09:12:33 nuernberg ? :) Dec 12 09:12:52 closer then I expected :P Dec 12 09:17:14 with us its just above the freezing point now since a couple of days ... 4 degrees C Dec 12 09:18:02 d Dec 12 09:18:20 DocScrutinizer: you come to fosdem? (now you know where i'm from ;) ) Dec 12 09:18:57 don't think so Dec 12 09:20:54 hell, <400 users Dec 12 09:24:18 hmm? Dec 12 09:24:50 where < 400 users? Dec 12 09:25:23 here Dec 12 09:26:04 in better times there've been >500 Dec 12 09:27:37 ah the channel Dec 12 09:27:53 DocScrutinizer: extra incentive ... if you come to fosdem I pay you a beer :P Dec 12 09:28:17 ok, I'll rethink Dec 12 09:28:25 :P Dec 12 09:28:47 its been a while ... I've been to froscon last year Dec 12 09:29:16 still would like to come to CCC but someones gotta keep the site running between christmas and ny and that one would be me :( Dec 12 09:29:43 hmm, same here - well somewhat Dec 12 09:30:06 but fosdem is a one I never miss :) Dec 12 09:30:34 well also cause I work a couple of km distance and I've become part of the crew Dec 12 09:36:09 Northrop Grumman's 100 kilowatt laser fired for six hours straight Dec 12 09:38:19 could somebody build a powertop for PK? Dec 12 09:39:05 * DocScrutinizer fires a MTHEL into RST38h general direction Dec 12 09:40:18 I have a strange question, is there a way to use a different keyboard layout on the phone like say German layout on a US phone or US international? Dec 12 09:40:32 why not? Dec 12 09:41:28 settings->text_input->kbd_layout Dec 12 09:42:14 thanks Dec 12 09:42:36 DocScrutinizer: I was just wondering, wasn't sure it was possible on a phone Dec 12 09:45:42 alas, because of an obscure bug, the on the fly switching between primary and alternative kbd layout only works for Russian kbds .oO(???) Dec 12 09:46:29 not that I really miss that feature Dec 12 09:50:55 i rarely would care about switching since I use only one specific layout anyways Dec 12 09:52:55 i wonder if I could buy keys to match the keyboard layout Dec 12 09:59:25 a localized keymat? Dec 12 09:59:43 ask Doc! :-D Dec 12 10:01:15 http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/tuotteet/N900-spare-parts/n900-qwerty-keymat-english-265740 Dec 12 10:02:20 http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900/N900-QWERTY-KEYMAT-ENGLISH-265740- Dec 12 10:03:06 hmmm thinking to buy a new battery cover Dec 12 10:03:12 my kickstand magnet came loose Dec 12 10:03:15 I glued it again Dec 12 10:03:30 but still the kickstand feels more loose then before ... Dec 12 10:03:59 http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4370_Original-Nokia-N900-Keypad-QWERTZ.html Dec 12 10:04:21 wonder how much forst it can take actually? I read on the forums that some people managed to break it off ... Dec 12 10:04:27 DocScrutinizer: I looked at US, UK, German, French n900's all seem to be the same Dec 12 10:04:30 s/forst/force/ Dec 12 10:04:31 Gh0sty meant: wonder how much force it can take actually? I read on the forums that some people managed to break it off ... Dec 12 10:06:16 comawhite: definitely not. I swapped my annoying WERTZU kbd keymat for a US one, with FOUR nice cursor arrow keys, rather than 2 on the german kbd Dec 12 10:06:42 DocScrutinizer: looks identical to the US one (amazon.de) Dec 12 10:06:53 QWERTZ :P Dec 12 10:07:09 eh? Dec 12 10:07:27 oh there is that much difference in keyboards? Dec 12 10:07:43 I just bought it from the UK, did not know they had localized versions :P Dec 12 10:08:05 DocScrutinizer: well I mean, you don't see the umlauts on the German keyboard. Dec 12 10:08:16 I mean * Dec 12 10:08:20 I* see them Dec 12 10:08:33 I dunno why *YOU* don't Dec 12 10:08:37 idk Dec 12 10:08:39 * comawhite shrugs Dec 12 10:09:36 http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4370_Original-Nokia-N900-Keypad-QWERTZ.html what's the problem to see those ÖÄÜ on the right side of that picture? Dec 12 10:09:49 Well shouldn't be hard to input umlauts on the us keyboard as long as it's not the alt+shift+'+u like crap Dec 12 10:09:54 * DocScrutinizer shrugs even more Dec 12 10:10:24 hehe Dec 12 10:10:28 I'm tired Dec 12 10:10:40 I'm bugging the hell out the person selling me his n900 Dec 12 10:10:43 xD Dec 12 10:11:26 asking him to upgrade the firmware, reset it to factory, take pictures (got a few pixelated pics) asking to take closer ones of the phone Dec 12 10:11:28 xD Dec 12 10:12:55 * comawhite wants his phone nao Dec 12 10:12:57 * comawhite cries Dec 12 10:13:09 :) Dec 12 10:13:21 i hate buying stuff off the net Dec 12 10:13:28 takes a bloody long time Dec 12 10:17:43 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=895107&postcount=440 :-P Dec 12 10:23:46 I hope the next phone that replaces the N900 has a full screen on the front Dec 12 10:23:46 * DocScrutinizer shakes head and frowns about OCers wondering why their device goes bonkers Dec 12 10:24:35 what's the point of OCing a phone Dec 12 10:24:41 just kills the battery Dec 12 10:24:54 just my opinion Dec 12 10:26:19 some people have the need for speed Dec 12 10:26:26 lol Dec 12 10:26:36 i never notice the speed so yeah Dec 12 10:27:22 though I will have a backup battery just in case anyways Dec 12 10:27:33 I guess overclocking is a bit like pressing that NOS button on your car Dec 12 10:27:40 :P Dec 12 10:27:53 enjoy the speed, suffer the consequence of blown up engine Dec 12 10:30:54 how you pronounce maemo Dec 12 10:31:43 I pronounce it as `may-moe' Dec 12 10:31:57 yeah that's how i do it Dec 12 10:31:59 i pronounce it like a finn would if it was a native word Dec 12 10:32:01 but wasn't sure Dec 12 10:32:12 mow moo? Dec 12 10:34:08 wow you can play mp3's through the fm transmitor to the car radio? Dec 12 10:34:24 yes Dec 12 10:34:35 that'd be nice since my mum doesn't have a cd player Dec 12 10:34:56 in her car when I have to drive across town blaring music ;P Dec 12 10:35:22 when I get my phone i'll have to get someone to help me do that Dec 12 10:36:20 if yer mum's car have tape player you can still get an age old tape to 3mm stereo jack adapter so that you can plug yer music player in and play music through there Dec 12 10:36:37 she does but no store sells those things anymore Dec 12 10:36:45 no local store Dec 12 10:36:47 ebay might lol Dec 12 10:37:19 well amazon does too, but that'd require more waiting Dec 12 10:38:20 psycho_oreos: have you tried getting meego on the n900? Dec 12 10:38:29 comawhite, no, not yet Dec 12 10:38:47 aww Dec 12 10:39:21 if you're looking for meego support, there is #meego :p Dec 12 10:40:42 no I'm not Dec 12 10:40:46 just curious Dec 12 10:43:53 halaaa Dec 12 10:44:27 uboot-power from MAG is it in repo? Dec 12 10:44:29 blah I wish my German was better to understand this you tube video Dec 12 10:45:34 do I just install it over my powerkernel46? Dec 12 10:47:02 comawhite: what video? Dec 12 10:47:09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap68fgJmCmo&feature=related Dec 12 10:47:17 it has subtitles but they are really slow Dec 12 10:47:25 i can understand some but not all Dec 12 10:48:01 ok pray for me, I have installed uboot-power Dec 12 10:48:07 rebooting phone. Dec 12 10:48:10 whats that do? Dec 12 10:48:21 boots maemo and meego Dec 12 10:48:27 oh Dec 12 10:48:40 screenies of meego on the phone? Dec 12 10:48:51 * RST38bis prays: May the Tentacled One have his soul and feast on whatever brains he has left Dec 12 10:49:44 * psycho_oreos throws a rather large octopus at RST38bis's general direction Dec 12 10:50:31 comawhite: he's just explaining that it supports layouts for left handed and right handed users, portrait mode which doesn't impact other applications, all the regular GPS features (address, POI, GPS locations [for geocaching], etc). Dec 12 10:50:50 Dank Dec 12 10:50:59 you meant Danke Dec 12 10:51:08 it's both Dec 12 10:51:19 different meanings to be exact Dec 12 10:51:24 but similar Dec 12 10:51:42 DocScrutinizer, hmm Dec 12 10:51:53 Dank = thanks, Danke = thank you, Danke schön = thank you very much Dec 12 10:51:55 iirc Dec 12 10:51:57 I have to admit, Sygic looks really fast Dec 12 10:52:40 is Sygic the one preinstalled/ Dec 12 10:52:43 ?* Dec 12 10:52:56 nope Dec 12 10:53:10 I wonder how much it will costs Dec 12 10:54:03 60 euros Dec 12 10:54:13 €19.99 for US Dec 12 10:54:55 I'll have a look at Marble Dec 12 10:55:02 and see how it's gps works Dec 12 10:55:11 its Dec 12 10:55:49 thanks Dec 12 10:56:19 wtf the WP7 gets all us canada and mexico in one pack while maemo gets them invidivdually :( Dec 12 10:56:36 same with europe, etc Dec 12 10:57:37 do we have a VNC client that supports reverse vnc? Dec 12 10:58:45 DocScrutinizer, permissions are always set in postinst Dec 12 10:59:29 :nod: Dec 12 10:59:31 I always do this through some weird script lines (either manually for each file or with a find $dir -name "*.sh") Dec 12 11:00:07 I said that in "bottomline:" Dec 12 11:00:21 but the dependency sucks Dec 12 11:00:59 i should add provides: kernel-usbhost or whatever to the package Dec 12 11:01:16 but the modules install the kernel, thanks to t-tan's weird depends line Dec 12 11:01:28 a kernel depends on modules, not vice versa :/ Dec 12 11:01:50 I'm not quite sure if h-e-n should have any dependency to a particular kernel version or feature. We got the runtime API version check for that Dec 12 11:10:36 angry birds is free? and what's so great about that game? Dec 12 11:11:55 you'll never know till you try it Dec 12 11:12:03 hehe Dec 12 11:12:09 and afaik, it's only free on maemo (other platforms have 6 levels free) Dec 12 11:15:32 MohammadAG: actually, no, the modules depend on the kernel being present Dec 12 11:15:46 MohammadAG: because you can't use the modules unless the proper kernel is installed Dec 12 11:16:04 crashanddie, but you can have the modules without the kernel Dec 12 11:16:14 wouldn't they be useless? Dec 12 11:16:38 not if another package wants them Dec 12 11:16:48 right now, on uboot-power installation, I'm guessed two kernels are flashed Dec 12 11:19:45 guessing* meh, just woke up Dec 12 11:22:38 http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-453 Dec 12 11:22:40 Ehehhe Dec 12 11:23:42 oops had problems after installing uboot-power from MAG Dec 12 11:24:14 couldn't boot back to maemo after booting to meego Dec 12 11:24:25 I had to reflash fiasco again. Dec 12 11:24:35 err Dec 12 11:24:46 is it because I have multiboot installed? Dec 12 11:24:49 hehe Dec 12 11:24:50 you flashed the whole fiasco image? Dec 12 11:25:00 no just kernel Dec 12 11:25:04 oh Dec 12 11:25:16 I couldn't return back to maemo Dec 12 11:25:21 I don't use multiboot anymore Dec 12 11:25:35 when I type run noloboot it shuts my phone. Dec 12 11:25:35 and why do you need 3 bootloaders at once? Dec 12 11:25:43 hehe Dec 12 11:25:55 did you pull in dependencies? Dec 12 11:25:56 make my phone fancier i guess Dec 12 11:26:00 I see you installed it with dpkg Dec 12 11:26:05 yes Dec 12 11:26:10 dpkg -i Dec 12 11:26:22 that doesn't pull dependencies Dec 12 11:26:28 Ah, just /ignore... Dec 12 11:26:28 oh Dec 12 11:26:30 you probably have missing modules Dec 12 11:26:39 aha Dec 12 11:26:53 what's the right precedure? Dec 12 11:26:59 use apt Dec 12 11:27:14 apt-get -f install should fix all dep issues Dec 12 11:27:25 apt-get -f uboot-power Dec 12 11:27:28 correct? Dec 12 11:27:32 no, apt-get -f install Dec 12 11:27:39 oh Dec 12 11:27:46 apt-get -f install uboot-power Dec 12 11:28:00 :/ Dec 12 11:28:09 hehe what? Dec 12 11:28:09 "apt-get -f install"(!) Dec 12 11:28:21 don't add/remove crap, just type it in like that Dec 12 11:28:31 hehe ok friend. Dec 12 11:28:38 let me see now.. Dec 12 11:31:03 ok restarting... Dec 12 11:31:39 I wonder if he reflashed the kernel that he... well, reflashed Dec 12 11:32:17 Does it matter? Dec 12 11:32:34 He does not understand what he is doing and has messed things up. Dec 12 11:32:58 RST38h, HAM should've included a warning upon adding devel Dec 12 11:33:15 it wouldn't annoy us, since we wouldn't be using HAM Dec 12 11:33:55 also, I have a suggestion, can we decide when an app is safe and when it isn't? The whole test + vote thingy is retarded Dec 12 11:34:02 Mohammad: Or just remove warnings from all household items and wait for Darwin to harvest his own Dec 12 11:34:24 Mohammad: You can make a suggestion. Nobody will listen. Dec 12 11:34:28 chances are when something is accepted to extras, I need to push a new one Dec 12 11:36:10 Mohammad: Basically, no matter how many warnings you add, there will be people flashing custom kernels and installing broken scripts made by similarly talented people Dec 12 11:36:53 Mohammad: And with so much useful software remaining in -devel for ages, you cannot honestly recommend everyone to "never use -devel" Dec 12 11:37:23 RST38h, and why is useful software remaining in devel? Cause the policy is retarded Dec 12 11:37:52 Correct. Dec 12 11:38:05 Can it be changed? Dec 12 11:38:15 But any suggestions to change the policy were ignored, for the last year or so Dec 12 11:38:19 was it always this way before? Dec 12 11:38:27 always like* Dec 12 11:38:33 N8x0 times that is Dec 12 11:38:34 No, things got this way with Maemo5 Dec 12 11:38:47 Maemo4 had way saner policies Dec 12 11:38:52 how did it work on Diablo? Dec 12 11:39:16 You upload it to -devel, wait a bit, then promote it toproper extras, by yourself, no testing required Dec 12 11:39:35 Or voters .. Dec 12 11:39:48 Those days were awesome Dec 12 11:39:59 and how exactly were the voters picked? Dec 12 11:40:25 frozen-bubble depends on perl, and it was voted down because of that Dec 12 11:40:36 Yes, very dumb Dec 12 11:40:44 * alterego is hung over. Dec 12 11:41:03 Mohammad: Maemo4 required no voters Dec 12 11:41:22 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/frozen-bubble/2.2.0-1maemo4-1/ Dec 12 11:41:25 Mohammad: In Maemo5, every maemo.orgmember can vote, but very few care, if you check the voting records Dec 12 11:41:48 RST38h, I know Dec 12 11:41:48 and those that do care enough to follow policy in voting mostly get bitched at mercilessly Dec 12 11:41:56 which results in even less caring Dec 12 11:41:57 Mohammad: Because your average user is a "gimme" type, who does not care about voting or anything else other than instantgratification Dec 12 11:42:34 Mohammad: Unfortunately, these nice Maemo Devices engineers who came up with the current policies, appear to know next to nothing about the social aspect Dec 12 11:42:38 and all this was done to enable extras by default? Dec 12 11:42:56 And they do not listen to outside people either.Or, rather, listen, but do not hear Dec 12 11:42:58 I just make sure I think it adheres, get a person or two from here that usually do the same, then i get a load of people that don't care and probably have never tested the app to vote it up. Dec 12 11:43:06 Mohammad: Yes,so it was said Dec 12 11:43:27 alterego: Same here Dec 12 11:43:40 and that resulted in people enabling devel Dec 12 11:43:41 meh Dec 12 11:44:09 holaa! Dec 12 11:44:10 alterego: Lacking chances to get app tested for real,you end up raising support among your buddies or well-natured acquaintances Dec 12 11:44:21 oops didn't work MohammadAG. Dec 12 11:44:29 Mohammad: Believe it or not (check the logs) I have been saying this for months now Dec 12 11:44:35 * lolloo has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Dec 12 11:44:36 I wonder if he reflashed the kernel that he... well, reflashed Dec 12 11:44:46 hehe Dec 12 11:44:59 Mohammad: Everyone agrees (including nokians) but nobody acts Dec 12 11:45:00 apt-get --reinstall install uboot-power Dec 12 11:45:00 Yeah, I wouldn't ask people to test unless I thought it was mostly ready tbh Dec 12 11:45:06 awesome! Dec 12 11:45:14 We're not that irresponsible here ;) Dec 12 11:45:14 I haven't pushed brickers to devel Dec 12 11:45:22 ok getting on to it. Dec 12 11:45:25 and the one I pushed failed to build Dec 12 11:45:26 hehe Dec 12 11:46:22 bbl Dec 12 11:46:43 oops, it says it cannot be downloaded! Dec 12 11:47:33 update your repos Dec 12 11:48:06 oh stupid me! Dec 12 11:48:40 is there a console command for it? Dec 12 11:48:49 or i just go to appmanager Dec 12 11:48:58 apt-get update Dec 12 11:49:16 awesome ok. Dec 12 11:49:56 may I ask why you used dpkg in the first place? Dec 12 11:50:21 hehe just got used to it. Dec 12 11:50:32 I see it alot. Dec 12 11:51:20 did anybody ever play around with Qts gwebview? Dec 12 11:51:34 CaCO3, QWebView, yes Dec 12 11:51:49 oh oh done all steps! pray for me! brb. Dec 12 11:51:59 I made a mini browser, but it does not show the scroll bars in maemo Dec 12 11:52:05 but it does on my pc Dec 12 11:52:25 do you know how to show the scrolbar like in the microB? Dec 12 11:56:05 we don't really have scrollbars in maemo Dec 12 11:56:22 so do I have to implement them myself? Dec 12 11:56:26 We have scroll indicators. Dec 12 11:56:33 but why are they shown and workingwhen irun it on my pc? Dec 12 11:56:47 hu? Dec 12 11:56:50 Not sure if they're available, but the implementation is straight forward. Dec 12 11:56:52 Maemo GTK+ is not the same as desktop GTK+ Dec 12 11:56:54 yup, i know Dec 12 11:56:57 thats what I want :) Dec 12 11:57:01 RST38h: Qt Dec 12 11:57:06 CaCO3, have a look at http://gitorious.org/qtbrowser/qtbrowser Dec 12 11:57:14 better than starting from scratch Dec 12 11:57:14 Maemo Qt is not the same as desktop Qt Dec 12 11:57:50 there's a bug in QWebView Dec 12 11:57:57 instead of scrolling, it selects text Dec 12 11:58:05 I already implemented the selection supressor, that works Dec 12 11:58:19 its all fine, except it misses the scroll indicators Dec 12 11:58:44 maemo doesn't need/have them Dec 12 11:58:54 start your app with -style cleanlooks Dec 12 11:59:07 where? Dec 12 11:59:11 terminal Dec 12 11:59:21 n900, PC or scratchbox? Dec 12 11:59:36 N900 Dec 12 11:59:36 CaCO3: lol, on your blackberry of cours Dec 12 11:59:38 e Dec 12 11:59:53 hola! Dec 12 11:59:59 haha :) You know that python runs everywhere where is an interprerer??? Dec 12 12:00:26 usually, in $PATH Dec 12 12:00:36 it also will run on an iphone, i am just waiting until you pay the 100$ and implement an python interpreter... Dec 12 12:01:01 you won't see python on iOS Dec 12 12:01:13 I know, thats why i have a maemo :) Dec 12 12:01:32 does Mac OSX have Python? Dec 12 12:01:44 uboot-power didn't let me boot back to multiboot. it just turns off the phone after I type run noloboot. sorry for the trouble. Dec 12 12:02:00 no klue, but you can install almost every linux tool, as it has a unix core Dec 12 12:02:11 why do you need multiboot Dec 12 12:02:21 no, it doesn't have a unix core Dec 12 12:02:24 I have nitdroid on it Dec 12 12:02:36 well, not iOS, anyway. OSX -- yes. Dec 12 12:02:38 Dropbox uses python. Dec 12 12:02:39 then why do you need uboot :/ Dec 12 12:02:48 to boot to meego. hehe Dec 12 12:03:23 DocScrutinizer, didn't it work for you? Dec 12 12:03:33 .wut? Dec 12 12:03:39 is it possbile for you to edit uboot-power to make to compatible with multiboot please? Dec 12 12:03:48 DocScrutinizer51, uboot-power Dec 12 12:03:57 worked great Dec 12 12:04:14 haven't you rwead that post: Dec 12 12:04:16 ? Dec 12 12:04:34 I have, I just need you to confirm it again - here Dec 12 12:05:04 MohammadAG: I used "app.setStyle('cleanlooks')" in my code, but the scrollbar indicators are still missing :( Dec 12 12:05:28 its awesome for powerkernel46 to have uboot again. Dec 12 12:05:42 what's with people ignoring instructions? Dec 12 12:05:54 CaCO3, I said run the binary with -style cleanlooks Dec 12 12:06:23 I didn't include a cryptic message for you to use to setStyle() the app Dec 12 12:06:48 sry, but italso does not work! Dec 12 12:06:49 MohammadAG: chill Dec 12 12:07:11 -style, not --style Dec 12 12:07:11 it looks different, ok, but still missing scroll indicators Dec 12 12:07:40 no idea then, you can implement them externally witth a QScrollBar or whatever it's called Dec 12 12:07:56 hmm, this again makes another look, but no scrol lindicators Dec 12 12:08:05 http://doc.qt.nokia.com/stable/qscrollbar.html Dec 12 12:09:17 hmm, ok, thanks. I thought i would have to go this way Dec 12 12:09:43 bbl Dec 12 12:11:18 crashanddie, meh, I should Dec 12 12:19:11 for people with dumb chargers: Dec 12 12:19:15 http://shop.brando.com/mini-usb-to-micro-usb-adapter-w-on-off-switch_p4160c6d1.html Dec 12 12:19:21 http://shop.brando.com/brando-workshop-usb-to-micro-usb-cable_p4161c12d2.html Dec 12 12:19:27 both work nice with the n900 Dec 12 12:19:55 the charger switch shorts the datalines (needed for dumb chargers like wall or car usb adapters) Dec 12 12:20:31 and there is free shipping till end of the year ... Dec 12 12:22:59 anyone know a good place to buy a car mount and charger together? Dec 12 12:23:31 I have 4 not upgraded, how do I know whats not upgraded in xterm? Dec 12 12:24:16 because I looked on newegg and amazon and just found crap or none Dec 12 12:24:58 after typing apt-get upgrade i get "4 not upgraded" Dec 12 12:25:16 how do I know whats not upgraded? Dec 12 12:32:00 * alterego is not feeling himself todao. Dec 12 12:32:02 ~today .. Dec 12 12:32:10 I didn't even drink that much. Dec 12 12:32:20 Oh, actually, it was probably those 3 shots of sambuca. Dec 12 12:33:03 sambuca hehe funny Dec 12 12:33:53 They didn't have any smoked bacon in the shop :( Dec 12 12:34:04 So I'm having an unsmoked bacon sammich Dec 12 12:35:13 for those who are interested: the scrollbat (indicator) is not an property of the qwebview, but of its child mainFrame. In python you can enable it with: Dec 12 12:35:19 self.ui.webView.page().mainFrame().setScrollBarPolicy(QtCore.Qt.Vertical, QtCore.Qt.ScrollBarAlwaysOn) Dec 12 12:36:20 Good to know Dec 12 12:39:04 http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/libosso/group__Ctrlpanel.html#gc9b3bf1e8d41b938c6616ed05df5ba8f sigh, needs a gpointer Dec 12 12:39:40 s/Code\ less/Reinvent\ the\ wheel\ more/ Dec 12 12:41:32 gpointer is just void* btw Dec 12 12:42:06 What, what are you doing? plugin_execute or save_state? Dec 12 12:42:16 plugin_execute Dec 12 12:42:27 osso_cp_plugin_execute(osso_context, "libcpfmtx.so", NULL, TRUE); Dec 12 12:42:40 You can just supply NULL, you don't _need_ to supply data .. Dec 12 12:42:51 Oh, wait, yeah you do :D Dec 12 12:43:10 Oh, no you don't. Dec 12 12:43:57 * MohammadAG gets confused Dec 12 12:46:12 You don't. Dec 12 12:46:18 Need it, Dec 12 12:46:23 last chance. Dec 12 12:46:40 "Type is a gpointer so that the plugin does not need to depend on GTK (in which case it should ignore the parameter)." Dec 12 12:47:10 so osso_cp_plugin_execute(osso_context, "libcpfmtx.so", NULL, TRUE); should work? Dec 12 12:47:17 Yes Dec 12 12:47:31 * MohammadAG pastes his comment Dec 12 12:47:36 _should_ ;) Dec 12 12:47:47 // This doesn't seem to be working, and in fact, is only causing a segfault. Dec 12 12:47:47 osso_cp_plugin_execute(osso_context, "libcpfmtx.so", NULL, TRUE); Dec 12 12:48:16 Okay, well, can I see your plugin code? Dec 12 12:48:27 hmm? Dec 12 12:48:31 Because that is probably what is segfaulting .. Dec 12 12:48:42 it's the stock fmtx dialog Dec 12 12:48:49 Oh right, I understand now. Dec 12 12:48:54 what are you trying to break? Dec 12 12:49:28 I'm trying to launch the FMTX dialog from a Qt app Dec 12 12:50:11 show me your code Dec 12 12:50:45 You could just load it in Qt without osso cp crap Dec 12 12:50:48 it's only one line ^ Dec 12 12:50:56 hmm Dec 12 12:51:03 what about osso_initialize? Dec 12 12:51:06 Have you checked you've got a valid osso context? Dec 12 12:51:27 yes, it's in the .h file iirc Dec 12 12:51:36 #ifdef Q_WS_MAEMO_5 Dec 12 12:51:41 osso_context_t *osso_context; Dec 12 12:51:42 #endif Dec 12 12:51:49 you have to initialize it Dec 12 12:52:16 And register with osso Dec 12 12:52:29 Personally, I think I'd just load it manually. Dec 12 12:52:52 alterego, how? Dec 12 12:53:06 osso_context = osso_initialize("name","1.2.3",NULL,NULL); Dec 12 12:53:28 MohammadAG: I'll knock you up an example. Dec 12 12:53:35 Saves you having to use osso crap Dec 12 12:55:44 QLibrary Dec 12 12:56:22 jacekowski, ty, that worked, but the dialog is orphaned (w/o a parent) Dec 12 12:56:42 QLibrary fmtx("fmtx.so"); (fmtx.resolve("execute_f"))(NULL); Dec 12 12:56:45 Or something. Dec 12 12:58:00 /home/mohammad/scratchbox/mediaplayer-build-maemo/../mediaplayer/nowplayingwindow.cpp:115: error: 'fmtx. QLibrary::resolve(((const char*)"execute_f"))' cannot be used as a function Dec 12 12:59:09 Yeah, that's not what I did is it :P Dec 12 12:59:38 Also, execute_f isn't the cp plugin function name Dec 12 12:59:47 You'll have to look into it. Dec 12 13:02:18 it's just execute Dec 12 13:03:38 that's what strings shows, yes Dec 12 13:03:57 i mean execute Dec 12 13:04:00 not execute_f Dec 12 13:04:21 Yeah, it was a placeholder :) Dec 12 13:04:50 error: 'fmtx. QLibrary::resolve(((const char*)"execute"))' cannot be used as a function Dec 12 13:05:28 * MohammadAG tries something else Dec 12 13:05:51 what would be better Dec 12 13:06:01 is single button ON/OFF Dec 12 13:06:11 rather than having to click trough menus to enable it Dec 12 13:06:43 Af'noon all Dec 12 13:07:09 * Jaffa looks forward to getting back to his 'puter in the warmth this afternoon. Dec 12 13:08:03 jacekowski, or a hold button for on/off Dec 12 13:09:27 which... isn't emitted by QMenuBar Dec 12 13:09:49 Hey Jaffa Dec 12 13:10:06 * alterego is now eating pizza Dec 12 13:10:28 We need someone to draw some stylish, freely licensed icons for Omp Dec 12 13:10:36 (Open media player ;-)) Dec 12 13:11:18 You mean mohammedia player? Dec 12 13:11:21 why? Dec 12 13:11:33 alterego: heh Dec 12 13:11:33 * MohammadAG grumbles Dec 12 13:11:34 look at KDE Oxygen icons Dec 12 13:11:40 there is a lot of nice icons there Dec 12 13:11:49 Jaffa, aren't they freely licensed? Dec 12 13:11:49 in svg Dec 12 13:12:04 MohammadAG: which ones? Dec 12 13:12:13 You're free to use them on Maemo Dec 12 13:12:15 Nokia's Dec 12 13:12:26 well, they're used from Maemo Dec 12 13:12:31 jacekowski: And do they have equivalents for all the styles? e.g. the large launch buttons Dec 12 13:12:34 Though I sure no one would care if you used them under meego either. Dec 12 13:12:40 http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/blobs/master/nowplayingwindow.cpp#line4 Dec 12 13:13:06 MohammadAG: Using the theme's on Maemo will work, but I doubt they're freely licensed (the Nokia ones) for MeeGo Dec 12 13:13:36 Jaffa, easy, chroot /dev/mtd5, load icons, unmount rootfs :P Dec 12 13:14:07 MohammadAG: Heh :) Dec 12 13:14:21 MohammadAG: OK, on MeeGo non-N900 ;-) Dec 12 13:14:39 Jaffa, load them remotely from Nokia's site :P Dec 12 13:14:48 * Requires internet connection Dec 12 13:15:10 anyways Dec 12 13:15:32 Just do your own :P Dec 12 13:15:49 alterego, does this look right? QString volumeLevel = QDBusInterface("com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer", "/com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer", "com.nokia.mafw.extension", QDBusConnection::sessionBus()).call("get_extension_property", "volume").arguments().first().toInt() Dec 12 13:15:53 One of the Fremantle themes might have some for the main screen Dec 12 13:16:20 MohammadAG: looks fine, but I don't know about the dbus paths etc. Dec 12 13:16:46 hmm, guess 64GB microsdxc(3.0, sdhc compatible) cards dont grow on trees :| Dec 12 13:16:57 MohammadAG: I'll catch up with you later, if there's anything you want me to do. Dec 12 13:17:26 alterego, dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer com.nokia.mafw.extension.get_extension_property string:volume works, but the code above returns "volume" Dec 12 13:17:47 Jaffa, I really want to get the SSU working, thinking of launching it as is Dec 12 13:30:46 Jaffa: it's svg Dec 12 13:30:57 Jaffa: it will scale Dec 12 14:14:30 What is the essiest way to generate te code for the XB-Maemo-Icon-26? The wiki doesnt really explain that Dec 12 14:14:56 it does Dec 12 14:15:15 uuencode? Dec 12 14:15:20 but how? Dec 12 14:15:33 there is ready command for it Dec 12 14:15:35 just copy&paste Dec 12 14:15:40 and replace filenames Dec 12 14:16:12 hmm, then i look on the wrong page: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/manuals/4-0-x/creating_a_debian_package/ Dec 12 14:16:16 or I am blind :( Dec 12 14:16:17 http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_packaging#Displaying_an_icon_in_the_Application_Manager_next_to_your_package Dec 12 14:16:44 you're looking at wrong page Dec 12 14:16:50 alright, thanks, i will update the wiki Dec 12 14:16:51 thanks Dec 12 14:17:30 ups, i just see that google lead me to the old maemo 4 page :( Dec 12 14:19:15 alterego, any idea what's causing a segfault here? http://pastebin.com/Ftt7rahN Dec 12 14:20:19 you should really invest into debugger Dec 12 14:20:30 compile it with -g Dec 12 14:20:33 and run it on gdb Dec 12 14:20:42 it will at least tell you line where there is a problem Dec 12 14:20:51 I know, but it's kinda borked for some reason Dec 12 14:21:38 weird, it just worked :/ Dec 12 14:23:52 Heh Dec 12 14:38:11 MohammadAG: What're the current SSU problems? Did you catch up with m-vo? Dec 12 14:38:40 Jaffa, yes, I think he's busy atm Dec 12 14:44:35 Jaffa, same situation as before Dec 12 14:44:44 does lag increase on sundays? Dec 12 14:45:56 alterego, do you by any chance know what the button used in GTK dialogs is in Qt? Dec 12 14:54:38 MohammadAG: Lag definitely increases on Sundays. Dec 12 14:55:05 afternoon chaps Dec 12 14:56:15 MohammadAG: So, I forget: upgrades don't work after initial install in HAM? Dec 12 15:23:54 hi all :) Dec 12 15:25:09 i am using a CDMA modem for Internet on my laptop, and would like to know if the instructions on http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking would work for such a setup. (I do not have N900 yet) Dec 12 15:27:31 or if it works via LAN connections only :-/ Dec 12 15:36:16 qhubekela: I guess you need to elaborate what exactly you mean by "such a setup" Dec 12 15:37:15 qhubekela: quite obviously the instructions about N900_USB_networking aren't applicable to a setup consisting of your PC and a CDMA modem Dec 12 15:37:40 oh.. thank you. Dec 12 15:37:51 so it must be LAN? Dec 12 15:38:48 *sigh* Dec 12 15:38:56 is there another way to access Internet on N900 through USB cable? Dec 12 15:39:14 what is it you want to do? Dec 12 15:40:37 i'm actually a newbie. i would like to use internet on N900, but have no access to wifi and gprs charges are too high Dec 12 15:40:52 qhubekela, most people do it the other way round: using the n900+its sim as main internet connection and then tethering laptop to it by various means Dec 12 15:40:52 then buy a wifi adapter Dec 12 15:41:08 ok, so you want to share your PC's internet connection to your N900 Dec 12 15:41:30 DocScrutinizer, yes, internet connection sharing Dec 12 15:41:54 buy a goddamn wifi adapter or use your laptop's wifi Dec 12 15:42:32 i'm striked by the same questions locally over and over again, and i can not belive that buying a wifi adapter is so impossible... Dec 12 15:43:14 i think i shall go for wifi Dec 12 15:43:46 buy Usb wireless Dec 12 15:43:49 cheap Dec 12 15:43:56 qhubekela, i tether n900 to my laptop using usb and pc suite mode Dec 12 15:44:26 pc suite? the horror! Dec 12 15:44:28 the n900 is the modem for internet tho Dec 12 15:44:44 only the mode RST38h :P Dec 12 15:46:09 i'm still new to linux, but i seem to understand that ppp can be used to share internet connections. Dec 12 15:49:27 qhubekela: from that networking wiki page: ""the N900 should be able to use the PC internet connection immediately."" Dec 12 15:49:50 of course after doing all the needed setup described there Dec 12 15:51:06 thanks DocScrutinizer. dumb me :-[ Dec 12 15:51:07 lcuk: once again the question is how to do it the other way round, tether the PC to N900 Dec 12 15:51:26 now it is all clear :) Dec 12 15:51:40 the absolute far #1 in FAQ Dec 12 15:55:50 also ""To use the Internet connection of your Mac via USB networking make sure to enable System Preferences -> Sharing -> Internet sharing for the N900 interface Howto "" Dec 12 16:05:27 Extras-Devel borked Dec 12 16:16:03 * lardman wonders if he needs a C++ stub in his Python scripting code Dec 12 16:16:16 could have sworn I thought I did before I went out to buy xmas tree lights Dec 12 16:40:38 is exist opened-sorce software to keep sober? Dec 12 16:41:52 alanon_maemo: Set an alarm for 5 minutes which says "Don't have another"? Dec 12 16:42:39 Jaffa: good one! if only it was so easy Dec 12 16:42:45 хммм Dec 12 16:42:48 hmm* Dec 12 16:43:00 One of those home automation systems that locks the fridge when it decides you've had enough beer? Dec 12 16:43:19 lardman: now were talkin! Dec 12 16:44:16 * lcuk passes jaffa a guinness Dec 12 16:44:23 Jaffa, MohammadAG, DocScrutinizer lardman https://github.com/kstep/dbuscron - is cron like dbus event system made for maemo5 =) Dec 12 16:44:53 http://kstep.me/download/69 - .deb if someone is interested Dec 12 16:45:27 zogg_: hmm, interesting. Dec 12 16:45:40 I'd like optional location notifications too Dec 12 16:45:46 anyway forgetting about my alcohol problems, I've been lurking around the maemo forums lately and I've noticed that there are tons of threads about various methods to optimize an n900 Dec 12 16:46:16 lardman: that's disjunct to cron though Dec 12 16:46:22 lcuk: I can resist Guiness. Unless it's at the Storehouse ;-) Dec 12 16:46:26 DocScrutinizer, he has announcment on one of the russian sites, asked him to make it on TMO as well Dec 12 16:46:32 I remember on the n800 the 1 thing that actually made a real difference was ramzswap / compcache Dec 12 16:46:39 :) i found out guinness was infact delicious at the storehouse Dec 12 16:46:49 Better than I remembered it. Dec 12 16:46:51 it took a whole museum and shared experience to do it! Dec 12 16:46:55 Like a slightly thicker Boddies Dec 12 16:46:58 DocScrutinizer: but similar app, just in a different dimension Dec 12 16:47:02 (s) Dec 12 16:47:05 zogg_: I wonder why I'd need that though Dec 12 16:47:08 prior to going my only guinness trial was warm regular can Dec 12 16:47:59 * lardman kicks himself again for not being able to make it to Dublin to drink real Guinness Dec 12 16:48:08 DocScrutinizer in his examples he used it to notify of operator name change or for auto internet connection change(can be used in options for example), or to stop music if phoneheads are out Dec 12 16:48:37 * zogg_ ♥ netsplits Dec 12 16:48:47 zogg_: huh? what's that got to do with cron? Dec 12 16:48:55 zogg: what are netsplits? Dec 12 16:49:35 DocScrutinizer it's liek cron but on dbus events Dec 12 16:49:40 do that if that Dec 12 16:50:02 alanon_maemo: when loads of people leave, then rejoin due to the hosts going mad or somesuch Dec 12 16:50:05 alanon_maemo * sivang has quit (*.net *.split) * midas_ has quit (*.net *.split) * klasu__ has quit (*.net *.split) * aquatix has quit (*.net *.split) Dec 12 16:50:53 oh. thanks Dec 12 16:51:16 alanon_maemo if you conected to one server and others to other but they are synced as one irc server, when they unsynced (one disconnects for example) than they offline for eachother but still online for themselves Dec 12 16:51:26 wow it's hard to understand what i said Dec 12 16:52:02 my head is spinning about now! Dec 12 16:52:10 oh well Dec 12 16:52:13 that's the alcohol! Dec 12 16:52:37 just wonderin', how is crondbus different from dbus-scripts? Dec 12 16:52:50 that's the power of knowledge Dec 12 16:52:53 *dbuscron Dec 12 16:53:06 alanon_maemo, when it's centralized Dec 12 16:53:22 you need to change config instead of having thousand scripts Dec 12 16:53:23 whats centralized? Dec 12 16:54:12 when it's in one place - one script Dec 12 16:54:15 meaning all triggers would be stored in one file Dec 12 16:54:16 big one for everything Dec 12 16:54:24 gotcha Dec 12 16:54:27 you just give the parametrs Dec 12 16:54:33 kinda of Dec 12 16:54:51 newb alert question: is there a GUI for it? Dec 12 16:55:23 it's also config when it's easier to give parametrs instead of writting script Dec 12 16:55:58 alanon_maemo, nope, but i think it can be done and be used for custom setting manager for example in SSU Dec 12 16:56:25 ok, thanks! Dec 12 16:58:39 zogg_: sorry, the term "like cron but on dbus events" doesn't make sense to me. I am using dbus-scripts pkg since long time, it can execute arbitrary cmds on dbus-events matching a filter expression. That's abolutely unrelated to what crond is doing though. Dec 12 16:59:07 dbus event for timer-tick, and sufficiently flexible patterns! Dec 12 16:59:24 what? Dec 12 16:59:31 nvm Dec 12 17:02:31 so is it possible to have ramzswap on n900 with similar performance boosts as on the n8x0's? Dec 12 17:03:12 Jaffa, thanks for tweet on @mwkn Dec 12 17:03:19 do any other mobile os's use ramzswap / compcache ? Dec 12 17:03:56 errrr, now while noticing ZogG answered my questions to zogg_, I start to think dbuscron has the "advantage" it doesn't allow multiple files to handle separate events. dbus-scripts also can use one large file holding all trigger definitions and the actions to take on them Dec 12 17:05:33 the filter patterns in dbus-scripts though are quite a bit restricted Dec 12 17:06:09 DocScrutinizer i'll give you example from his config Dec 12 17:06:25 iirc one of the parameter fields of a usual dbus msg isn't available at all in dbus-scripts for filtering Dec 12 17:07:28 S signal * org.freedesktop.Hal.Manager /org/freedesktop/Hal/Manager DeviceRemoved * * run-standalone.sh /opt/userscripts/mpcontrol.sh stop Dec 12 17:07:33 which I'd consider a flaw Dec 12 17:08:00 looks like dbus-scripting Dec 12 17:08:17 still i find it's usefull Dec 12 17:08:31 as something in one place.. Dec 12 17:08:43 from here you can use gui for settings =) Dec 12 17:08:45 so dbus scripting can do that as well Dec 12 17:09:15 meh Dec 12 17:09:20 sorry I miss to see *any* advantage in this ill-named tool Dec 12 17:09:21 you are so anti =) Dec 12 17:10:28 the only "advantage" you told so far is in fact a regression from dbus-scripts Dec 12 17:10:44 ZogG: No probs. If you get a better announcement, feel free to poke me or GAN900 with a link this evening Dec 12 17:17:16 ZogG: a dbus-scripts example for you Dec 12 17:17:21 # Example: to act on WLAN interface state changes use: Dec 12 17:17:23 #/some/script * * com.nokia.icd status_changed * WLAN_INFRA Dec 12 17:17:24 # In /some/script, $5 will be the interface name and $7 the new state (IDLE, CONNECTED, etc.) Dec 12 17:18:33 also: Dec 12 17:18:36 # Each line of these files represents a filter to call a script. Dec 12 17:19:12 so you can have all trigger definitions in one file as well. But you don't NEED to have only one file Dec 12 17:25:39 and this one plays a swoosh sound on every slide-out of kbd - like startrek original series communicators: Dec 12 17:25:43 #:soundonslide Dec 12 17:25:45 /etc/dbus-scripts-scripts/playswoosh * * org.freedesktop.Hal.Device Condition ButtonPressed cover Dec 12 17:27:58 Jaffa i didn't write that, so don't want to take a credit, want from author to announce it and as well to involve him to tmo Dec 12 17:29:33 ZogG: Not claiming you did. But if you don't poke me the link, it won't make tonight's MWKN Dec 12 17:29:57 And we'll probably not cover it twice unless the homepage contained all sorts of cool exmaples. Dec 12 17:30:57 * DocScrutinizer wonders why "we" cover it at all, considering it's a cover version :-D Dec 12 17:37:29 Looking for a bit of direction. On Fedora 14 64-bit and looking to upgrade my n900 from 1.2 to 1.3. Anyone here managed this? I've gone as far trying to build virtual 32-bit desktops to get around the problem. Dec 12 17:40:11 Just run flasher .. Dec 12 17:40:14 ~flashing Dec 12 17:40:15 flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Dec 12 17:40:58 I've tried but I am having trouble getting around the need for libusb and can't remember what path I took last time to find the solution Dec 12 17:41:30 erm Dec 12 17:43:46 flasher-3.5: error while loading shared libraries: libusb-0.1.so.4: cannot open shared object file Dec 12 17:44:48 libusb is installed so I thing it is a 64-bit vs 32-bit os issue Dec 12 17:44:55 s/thing/think Dec 12 17:46:03 hmmm Dec 12 17:46:15 Well, I'd use a vm then Dec 12 17:46:43 I personally use ubuntu 64bit and know that works with lib32 support installed Dec 12 17:46:47 wasn't there a static build available? Dec 12 17:47:05 lardman: I thought it was a static build ;) Dec 12 17:47:19 fedora teoratically has multilib, so you just need to find for libusb.i386 in the repos Dec 12 17:47:53 Thanks for all of that. Back in a bit. Dec 12 17:51:01 hello world Dec 12 17:51:09 * timeless_webchat is trying to update from pr1.2 to pr1.3 ota Dec 12 17:51:13 ham isn't offering me the update Dec 12 17:51:25 (system software updates repository is disabled) Dec 12 17:51:31 * timeless_webchat supposes that might be relevant... Dec 12 17:51:45 hmm, I can't run python2.5 in sb, anyone seen that before? Dec 12 17:52:44 you mean it always runs 2.3 instead, or some error msg? Dec 12 17:52:57 no, can't seem to find python2.5 - see this: Dec 12 17:53:06 [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /usr/bin] > ls -rtl /usr/bin/python2.5 Dec 12 17:53:06 -rwxr-xr-x 1 simon 1000 1028632 May 17 2010 /usr/bin/python2.5 Dec 12 17:53:06 [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /usr/bin] > /usr/bin/python2.5 Dec 12 17:53:06 bash: /usr/bin/python2.5: No such file or directory Dec 12 17:53:26 Thanks all I am past the hurdle. I just needed to turn off the filter for native packages and there it was. Seems like it will work. Dec 12 17:53:38 lardman: maybe it's symlink to nonexisting /opt or sth like that Dec 12 17:53:47 sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > file /usr/bin/python2.5 Dec 12 17:53:47 /usr/bin/python2.5: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped Dec 12 17:55:09 lardman: can you md5sum it? also try to run any other armel binary, like ... maemo-summoner Dec 12 17:55:27 maemo-summoner is also not happy Dec 12 17:55:47 hrm Dec 12 17:55:52 so qemu-arm broke Dec 12 17:55:56 hmm Dec 12 17:56:04 DocScrutinizer: Noted. Dec 12 17:56:06 I installed the Meego tools yesterday, seems that was a mistake Dec 12 17:56:15 Heh Dec 12 17:56:36 lardman: /scratchbox/devkits/qemu/bin/qemu-arm-sb exists? Dec 12 17:56:51 lardman: and is it configured as cputransp? (check with sb-conf show FREMANTLE_ARMEL) Dec 12 17:57:04 first one exists, checking the second Dec 12 17:57:22 [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > sb-conf show FREMANTLE_ARMEL Dec 12 17:57:22 Compiler: cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 Dec 12 17:57:22 Devkits: perl debian-etch qemu doctools svn git Dec 12 17:57:23 CPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/qemu/bin/qemu-arm-sb Dec 12 17:57:34 ... looks fine. Dec 12 17:58:21 I'd check if strace says anything interesting Dec 12 17:58:34 no, can't find the file Dec 12 17:58:35 maybe meego-tools put something in PATH or the like Dec 12 17:58:47 can't find "strace"? Dec 12 17:58:59 strace works, can't find e.g. python2.5 Dec 12 17:59:05 even with a full path to the binary Dec 12 17:59:47 [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > strace /usr/bin/python2.5 Dec 12 17:59:47 execve("/usr/bin/python2.5", ["/usr/bin/python2.5"], [/* 47 vars */]) = 0 Dec 12 17:59:47 strace: exec: No such file or directory Dec 12 18:00:29 can you run qemu-arm-sb manually? Dec 12 18:01:05 yeah, if I give the full path Dec 12 18:01:36 and it runs python2.5? Dec 12 18:01:55 dunno, it just spits out into about what it is, doesn't actually start Dec 12 18:02:04 qemu-arm-sb /usr/bin/python2.5 Dec 12 18:02:23 (btw I do not need to give the full path to qemu-arb-sb, maybe that tells something) Dec 12 18:03:19 if I do that, it can't find qemu-arm-sb firstly, and secondly I get an error: Dec 12 18:03:27 Error -1 while loading /usr/bin/python2.5 Dec 12 18:04:05 lardman: http://maemo.pastebin.com/sNyJr6nb Dec 12 18:05:22 (qemu-arm-sb being in /scratchbox/devkits/qemu/bin) Dec 12 18:05:32 is that PATH within sb? Dec 12 18:05:41 yep Dec 12 18:05:46 ok hang on a tick Dec 12 18:07:22 http://maemo.pastebin.com/RF0ByYVi Dec 12 18:07:44 wow, so qemu-arm-sb is on PATH. Dec 12 18:08:10 inside sb Dec 12 18:08:25 yep. yet the shell can't find it. Dec 12 18:08:36 that was outside Dec 12 18:08:39 sorry Dec 12 18:08:39 aaa Dec 12 18:08:54 =) Dec 12 18:09:09 [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > qemu-arm-sb /usr/bin/python2.5 Dec 12 18:09:09 Python 2.5.4 (r254:67916, May 17 2010, 21:00:32) Dec 12 18:09:09 [GCC 4.2.1] on linux2 Dec 12 18:09:09 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. Dec 12 18:09:09 >>> Dec 12 18:09:13 that works inside Dec 12 18:09:25 this rings a belll Dec 12 18:09:42 I had assumed that the whole thing was running in qemu, hence trying to run outside, apologies Dec 12 18:10:08 ls /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc Dec 12 18:10:37 outside? Dec 12 18:10:42 yep, sorry =) Dec 12 18:10:48 np ;) Dec 12 18:10:48 probably you will have some meego stuff there. Dec 12 18:11:15 http://maemo.pastebin.com/0YWNVTRP Dec 12 18:11:51 yeah, qemu-arm :( Dec 12 18:12:29 when I want qemu-arm-sb ? Dec 12 18:12:35 sbox-arm afaik Dec 12 18:12:39 ok Dec 12 18:12:49 any ideas other than to uninstall the Meego stuff? Dec 12 18:12:57 if it came with an init.d script, stop it Dec 12 18:13:07 not sure, will look Dec 12 18:14:02 for a start try "echo -1 > /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/qemu-arm" Dec 12 18:14:49 hmm Dec 12 18:14:50 simon@simon-desktop:~$ sudo echo -1 > /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/qemu-arm Dec 12 18:14:50 bash: /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/qemu-arm: Permission denied Dec 12 18:15:01 use sudo -s Dec 12 18:15:06 ah Dec 12 18:15:16 same Dec 12 18:15:31 I mean, use sudo -s, drop to a shell, and run echo there Dec 12 18:15:43 what you wrote above is equivalent to (sudo echo -1) > /proc... Dec 12 18:15:52 only echo runs as root, which is not what you want :) Dec 12 18:15:55 ok Dec 12 18:16:12 btw this really ought to be documented somewhere Dec 12 18:16:32 keywords would be binfmt_misc scratchbox qemu meego or the like Dec 12 18:16:37 ok, that now works Dec 12 18:16:55 and python runs? Dec 12 18:16:55 looks like it's a problem with the Meego image builder which installs qemu-arm-static Dec 12 18:17:15 that's what I saw when I cat'd /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/qemu-arm before doing the echo Dec 12 18:17:16 yes Dec 12 18:17:31 there will be a init.d script somewhere (maybe called qemu-static?) Dec 12 18:17:49 stopping it should help Dec 12 18:18:24 http://maemo.pastebin.com/ahCFxCMB Dec 12 18:18:26 can't see it Dec 12 18:18:40 outside :) Dec 12 18:18:48 yep, just realised that :) Dec 12 18:19:36 http://maemo.pastebin.com/87WdCLJU Dec 12 18:19:56 binfmt-support? Dec 12 18:20:25 ah, Dec 12 18:20:53 fedora? maybe they have some central registration of binfmt stuff Dec 12 18:21:01 Ubuntu Dec 12 18:21:50 might be, dunno. Dec 12 18:22:05 ehhh Dec 12 18:22:07 I do know that sbox registers the stuff by its own, in a potentially distro-unfriendly Dec 12 18:22:08 sudo echo > blah Dec 12 18:22:12 isn't going to work Dec 12 18:22:20 *way. Dec 12 18:22:41 sudo bash -c "echo blah > blah" Dec 12 18:23:08 but hmm, i've just read you already said that Dec 12 18:25:03 thanks anyway javispedro Dec 12 18:25:17 I can add that echo -1 line to my SB startup stuff Dec 12 18:25:41 it will break meego tools until you reboot though Dec 12 18:25:51 yeah that's ok, I can live with that Dec 12 18:26:07 * javispedro still thinks this ought to be documented somewhere, but can't find it Dec 12 18:26:12 should be pretty common Dec 12 18:26:16 do let me know if you find it Dec 12 18:26:34 I guess I should also add a bug for the image building setup to let people know Dec 12 18:30:47 * timeless_webchat sighs Dec 12 18:30:57 * timeless_webchat accidentally hurts the wrong n900 Dec 12 18:31:02 * timeless_webchat has 3 sitting on the table Dec 12 18:31:10 so mean Dec 12 18:31:33 I'm sure the other 2 are shivering in fear over their pending doom Dec 12 18:43:36 * javispedro is tempted to answer "what the hell are you smoking?" to a tmoer, but refrains for now Dec 12 18:45:02 javispedro, good stuff, usually. Dec 12 18:45:27 javispedro, link? :P Dec 12 18:45:29 javispedro: to one specific one as opposed to all of them that aren't also here? Dec 12 18:46:34 well, I usually say nothing when they smash the keyboard with retarded political stuff (as I sometimes do that, too), but completely nonsense tech stuff? Dec 12 18:46:45 MohammadAG: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=895388&postcount=835 Dec 12 18:48:08 good morning (ugt) Dec 12 18:48:17 morning Dec 12 18:49:10 "... from the weak gstreamer to something more powerful like MAFW..." - lol. Dec 12 18:50:09 javispedro, isn't that... your changelog? Dec 12 18:50:40 MohammadAG: the * lines are. the rest is his interpretation of it. Dec 12 18:50:43 ... followed by confused commentary Dec 12 18:50:58 oh wow, Farooq is in the thread... Dec 12 18:51:09 nearly every line causes me to say wtf. Dec 12 18:51:13 isn't MAFW like ... a wrapper for gstreamer? Dec 12 18:51:32 doesn't have to be, but in our case yes Dec 12 18:52:49 "ID error"? "Not implemented" is a bug? "-dbg is mandatory"????? You need a .so to fix "-dbg is mandatory"????????? Dec 12 18:52:58 "EXternal Forced Buffering"??? Dec 12 18:54:24 javispedro, he obviously knows more than we do Dec 12 19:08:34 BR? Dec 12 19:09:39 algum brasileiro? Dec 12 19:34:57 DocScrutinizer, File manager dialog is locked because you have no other compatible file manager Dec 12 19:35:23 aaah Dec 12 19:36:05 anyway the broken mount button definitely is 100% related to enabling the "open filemanager" option Dec 12 19:36:09 (filebox for now) Dec 12 19:36:25 weird, it works fine for me :/ Dec 12 19:39:54 DocScrutinizer, I'll test it on my classmate's device on tuesday Dec 12 19:40:25 What the F .. Dec 12 19:40:27 I'd check the code, to find where it's linked Dec 12 19:40:27 pmo has gone nuts again. Dec 12 19:40:55 pmo? Dec 12 19:41:12 DocScrutinizer it's a normal script in /opt/h-e-n Dec 12 19:41:14 planet.maemo.org Dec 12 19:41:21 oh Dec 12 19:41:25 yes, but it's not even called Dec 12 19:42:00 sigh Dec 12 19:42:08 it's not the script that has problems. It's the button Dec 12 19:42:14 ever had that stupid feeling when you realize your sshing into your own PC Dec 12 19:42:29 oh, the GUI? Dec 12 19:42:54 yes Dec 12 19:43:25 the button doesn't call the script - nada niente null Dec 12 19:44:20 I'm always ssh'ing into my own computers :P Dec 12 19:44:25 it however switches on the unmount button Dec 12 19:45:01 alterego, even localhost? :P Dec 12 19:45:11 I do on the N900 Dec 12 19:45:16 it's how I gain root Dec 12 19:46:19 heh Dec 12 19:46:29 * MohammadAG uses scp on localhost to get a progress bar Dec 12 19:46:43 Hah Dec 12 19:47:01 Mohammad: Midnight Commander. Dec 12 19:47:31 RST38h, or filebox, but sometimes I need to do stuff quickly Dec 12 19:51:38 libtool: link: armv7a-unknown-linux-gnueabi-gcc -mcpu=cortex-a8 -pipe -mfpu=neon -mfloat-abi=softfp --param ggc-min-expand=0 --param ggc-min-heapsize=32768 -DHAVE_ERRNO_AS_DEFINE=1 -fno-strict-aliasing -DUNIV_LINUX -DUNIV_LINUX -Wl,-O1 -Wl,--no-keep-memory -Wl,--reduce-memory-overheads -Wl,-O1 -Wl,-S -rdynamic -o hp_test1 hp_test1.o -Wl,--as-needed ./.libs/libheap.a -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread - Dec 12 19:51:39 lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread ../../mysys/.libs/libmysys.a -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread ../../dbug/.libs/libdbug.a -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread ../../strings/.libs/libmystrings.a -lpthread -lpthread - Dec 12 19:51:41 lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lpthread -lcrypt -lnsl -lm -lpthread Dec 12 19:51:42 lolwut Dec 12 19:51:44 ouch, freenode split that Dec 12 19:51:56 * javispedro lols Dec 12 19:52:02 but seriously, something is obsessed w/ pthread Dec 12 19:52:03 you mean you really wanted us to see it whole? Dec 12 19:52:25 luke-jr: how many chars? Dec 12 19:52:28 RST38h: I mean it didn't look quite *that* long Dec 12 19:52:31 javispedro: nfc Dec 12 19:52:44 evening javispedro Dec 12 19:54:07 remooo Dec 12 19:54:23 luke-jr: nah, your code has many threads Dec 12 19:54:30 not my code Dec 12 19:54:36 I think part of MySQL Dec 12 19:54:47 :-P Dec 12 19:54:51 I guess this is what happens when everyone thinks Dec 12 19:55:00 "well, adding -lpthread to CFLAGS never hurt anyone" Dec 12 19:55:09 *LDLIBS Dec 12 19:55:11 zombie box showing "Alexander" Dec 12 19:55:30 I do think we will end up legalizing gladiator battles at the end. Dec 12 19:55:37 you oughta feel happy it doesn't include the whole math lib for each single increment Dec 12 19:57:26 DocScrutinizer: some of my software uses a minimum 20 threads :p Dec 12 19:58:16 would be interesting to see the libtool cmdline for a forkbomb X-D Dec 12 19:58:50 http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2010/12/12/android-will-be-using-ext4-starting-with-gingerbread/ Dec 12 19:59:18 what kind of idiots make the decisions for Android? Dec 12 19:59:23 luke-jr: btw it's your IRC client, not freenode, that does the splitting. Freenode would simply cut off aiui Dec 12 19:59:34 what fs does android currently use? Dec 12 19:59:40 DocScrutinizer: FreeNode instructs the client how to handle long lines Dec 12 19:59:48 yep Dec 12 20:00:02 thunk.org... Dec 12 20:00:13 ah. yeah. official google's blog Dec 12 20:00:14 well, not exactly. It tells client about max line length Dec 12 20:00:33 nox: another few iterations and they will start using semi-complete Linux installation! Dec 12 20:00:54 semi-complete? :) Dec 12 20:02:06 apt-get install android Dec 12 20:02:38 ext4 on a flash? Dec 12 20:02:45 apt-get --force-reinstal install void Dec 12 20:04:13 Mohammad: Ah, I am sure it started with "wouldn't it be nice..." Dec 12 20:04:26 well Dec 12 20:04:32 works for me :P Dec 12 20:04:34 I kinda remember android was already using ext3 Dec 12 20:04:44 so ext4 vs ext3... actually ext4 seems kinda logical. Dec 12 20:05:03 ext4 on the n900 gives a quite noticeable performance improvement Dec 12 20:05:36 but ext3/4 journal is suicide Dec 12 20:05:36 cehteh: in which scenarios? Dec 12 20:06:01 I suppose with the battery and a case-opened warning it could be made safe tho Dec 12 20:06:21 by "safe" I of course also mean "inefficient, but no damage" Dec 12 20:06:22 luke-jr: i have that since february or so and no problems (not even unclean filesystems) Dec 12 20:06:37 cehteh: the problem is when you do have unclean fs Dec 12 20:06:46 if there's a journal, it's probably wrong Dec 12 20:07:06 i dont care, it works well enough for me Dec 12 20:07:12 using a journal also means it's slower and does more wear ofc Dec 12 20:07:28 oand hey ... even flash can implement barriers and checkpointng .. just a question if they d Dec 12 20:07:35 Does anyone know what the Qt equivalent of these two buttons (Save and Devices) is in Qt? http://i55.tinypic.com/fjdds2.jpg Dec 12 20:07:38 cehteh: the thing is, when/if you ever fail to unmount cleanly, you're at high risk for data corruption Dec 12 20:07:51 the wear from journal is neglectible Dec 12 20:08:08 s/in Qt// Dec 12 20:08:08 MohammadAG meant: Does anyone know what the Qt equivalent of these two buttons (Save and Devices) is ? http://i55.tinypic.com/fjdds2.jpg Dec 12 20:08:09 the speed/wear issue is meaningless compared to the risk of data corruption Dec 12 20:08:21 do the math .. the journal is tiny and slowly written (i have commit=600) Dec 12 20:09:08 in contrast i had some bad experiences with real SSDs recently ... Dec 12 20:09:57 the ssd firmware destroyed even unmounted partitions when it did its wear-leveling/garbagge collection or whatever. .. crap new bugs... Dec 12 20:10:12 now i ordered a much more expensive brand ssd :P Dec 12 20:11:57 I really need to come up with a better way to manage my data .. Dec 12 20:12:21 store it in /dev/null Dec 12 20:12:27 and read it from /dev/urandom Dec 12 20:12:28 Heh Dec 12 20:12:54 given enough time you can always recover all data you lost Dec 12 20:14:26 :) Dec 12 20:18:47 QDialogButtonBox, if anyone wants to use it Dec 12 20:20:31 ? Dec 12 20:21:28 alterego, Does anyone know what the Qt equivalent of these two buttons (Save and Devices) is in Qt? http://i55.tinypic.com/fjdds2.jpg Dec 12 20:22:59 Yes Dec 12 20:23:03 Okay ;) Dec 12 20:23:19 I might implement my "Devices" button actually .. Dec 12 20:23:27 http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/blobs/master/internetradiowindow.cpp#line68 Dec 12 20:23:50 * javispedro args Dec 12 20:23:55 You really need to change the project name to mohammediaplayer :P Dec 12 20:24:00 Arrrg Dec 12 20:24:03 MohammadAG: you're calling osso_initialize more than once! Dec 12 20:24:14 Heh Dec 12 20:24:58 alterego, you know, MeeGo's player isn't all that good :P Dec 12 20:25:11 Should make it better then :P Dec 12 20:25:27 javispedro, got that part, should deinitialize it Dec 12 20:25:36 actually.. Dec 12 20:25:44 since you're very probably going to need it elsewhere Dec 12 20:25:50 you should init once per program Dec 12 20:25:56 then keep it around Dec 12 20:26:05 s/per program/at startup Dec 12 20:26:25 also, I wonder if MaemoQT doesn't do that for you already? (no idea) Dec 12 20:27:17 tbh, I was thinking of getting rid of the whole osso crap Dec 12 20:27:23 (without using QLibrary) Dec 12 20:27:30 osso crap! Dec 12 20:27:33 maybe a rewrite of the whole dialog Dec 12 20:27:33 * javispedro hits MohammadAG Dec 12 20:27:47 * MohammadAG cries Dec 12 20:28:31 after all, calling it in portrait mode flips the device to landscape mode Dec 12 20:28:32 Qt must handle some of this. How do you prevent your app running twice in Qt? Dec 12 20:29:00 you don't Dec 12 20:29:05 dbus handles that Dec 12 20:29:27 dbus doesn't handle that unless you reserve your name on the bus, which is exactly what osso_initialize does on a hildon app Dec 12 20:29:52 no idea then Dec 12 20:30:08 so if it's transparent for Qt apps then it is calling osso_initialize for you then, there has to be a way to get the context from QApplication I guess. Dec 12 20:30:10 but again, thinking of rewriting it Dec 12 20:30:13 QApplication has support Dec 12 20:30:24 for single instances Dec 12 20:31:10 * javispedro googles for code Dec 12 20:31:40 alterego: not out of the box Dec 12 20:32:02 alterego: there was a Qt Solution for singleton support of an application Dec 12 20:32:27 I'm so tired of Android commercials. Dec 12 20:32:35 Oh, well, I just remember Venemo telling me about it as e uses it for sticky notes. Dec 12 20:32:45 GAN900: I don't get them much where I live Dec 12 20:32:49 GAN: Turn the zombie box off. Dec 12 20:32:53 GAN900: I'm sick of iPhone and iPad adverts .. Dec 12 20:33:03 I swear there's about 2 per break .. Dec 12 20:33:05 I've only seen like 3 total of iPhone Dec 12 20:33:12 * RST38h is kinda tired of suggesting this easy, logical way of action Dec 12 20:33:19 iPad* Dec 12 20:33:29 I get my n900 wednesday :D Dec 12 20:35:23 GAN900: or set up mythtv and skip commercials altogether Dec 12 20:35:25 i wonder if the N900s usb-mode is something hardware based or entirely software. I'm considering abusing it to mount a network share into my TV via usb mass storage interface :) Dec 12 20:36:16 at least the drive isnt FAT, so it cant possibly be exposed directly Dec 12 20:36:36 comawhite: congrats it is great to have and I am little more than sensible user. Dec 12 20:36:41 well MyDocs usually is fat... Dec 12 20:36:44 Senkrad_Luna, live sports. Dec 12 20:36:50 Only time I watch TV anymore. Dec 12 20:36:53 ah.. Dec 12 20:37:01 aep: h-e-n hostmode is a kernel path to fix a few hw flaws Dec 12 20:37:12 GAN: Senkrad is actually giving a good idea Dec 12 20:37:19 aep:the USB is a hardware issue from what I have read Dec 12 20:37:43 yeah id say so too Dec 12 20:37:45 I love my 5TB raid6 MythTV box. :P Dec 12 20:37:51 GAN: Either set up MythtV or (easier) get a recorder box with skip feature (probably semi-illegal in the US, but you can order one online) Dec 12 20:38:01 aep: partially hardware (there's a FAT partition), so you cannot. Dec 12 20:38:07 right. thanks Dec 12 20:38:23 Though admittedly I only use digital in the uk. Dec 12 20:39:05 Bored now Dec 12 20:39:10 * nox- prefers vdr over mythtv... Dec 12 20:39:20 * MohammadAG starts on his mediabar project Dec 12 20:39:38 So why not try your original ego and see if it got more fun while you were gone. Dec 12 20:39:39 mohammediabar? Dec 12 20:39:52 * MohammadAG shoots alterego Dec 12 20:39:56 ^.^ Dec 12 20:40:04 can i switch usb-mode on/off at least via a script? ALternative solution would be to copy stuff around Dec 12 20:40:13 aep: yes Dec 12 20:40:22 I wanna do something in QML, but I dunno what. Dec 12 20:40:25 awesome. got a hint? Dec 12 20:40:44 Senkrad_Luna: the only thing, I won't have phone service for a while though Dec 12 20:40:54 aep, you can check the source of h-e-n's GUI, it's quite simple (till I update it) Dec 12 20:40:59 look at h-e-n.garage.maemo.org, into paul's branch in SCM Dec 12 20:41:03 simple echos into procfs Dec 12 20:41:04 thanks Dec 12 20:41:07 or that ^ Dec 12 20:41:16 alterego, the dishes! Dec 12 20:41:18 MohammadAG: uh yeah? Dec 12 20:41:48 know it offhand? otherwise i'll grep it in the source Dec 12 20:42:02 comawhite: I have found it worth it. I bought mine from a nokia shop and have found it a great investment. Dec 12 20:42:03 *sigh* what do you need? Dec 12 20:42:19 DocScrutinizer: me? Dec 12 20:42:21 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=h-e-n;a=commit;h=d7f76e505b16f7e9305c59c51d02fb1473ab5b2c Dec 12 20:42:22 yes Dec 12 20:42:41 that :D Dec 12 20:42:42 thanks MohammadAG Dec 12 20:42:54 Made sure to get one for my wife to reduce my support commitments. :P Dec 12 20:42:54 I just linked you to look at h-e-n.garage.maemo.org, into paul's branch in SCM :) Dec 12 20:42:56 anyways Dec 12 20:43:09 * MohammadAG wonders how big (in pixels) a mediabar should be Dec 12 20:43:39 what's mms? Dec 12 20:44:01 ~what's mms? Dec 12 20:44:01 mms is, like, console mpg123 frontend, with nice ncurses interface which can be found in debian source format at http://yacoob.dnsalias.net/debian/, or the protocol used by Windows Media Player (probably stands for Mostly Microsoft Stuff), or mplayer -dumpstream mms://blah Dec 12 20:44:04 Meh, I'll just work on some more QML framework like stuff. Dec 12 20:44:24 lol fail :P Dec 12 20:44:25 ~MMS Dec 12 20:44:26 mms is, like, console mpg123 frontend, with nice ncurses interface which can be found in debian source format at http://yacoob.dnsalias.net/debian/, or the protocol used by Windows Media Player (probably stands for Mostly Microsoft Stuff), or mplayer -dumpstream mms://blah Dec 12 20:44:30 fail Dec 12 20:44:32 bigger fail Dec 12 20:44:47 ~phone mms Dec 12 20:44:55 failed Dec 12 20:45:01 infobot, mms is also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimedia_Messaging_Service Dec 12 20:45:02 MohammadAG: okay Dec 12 20:45:06 ~mms Dec 12 20:45:06 methinks mms is console mpg123 frontend, with nice ncurses interface which can be found in debian source format at http://yacoob.dnsalias.net/debian/, or the protocol used by Windows Media Player (probably stands for Mostly Microsoft Stuff), or mplayer -dumpstream mms://blah, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimedia_Messaging_Service Dec 12 20:45:14 MohammadAG: I got it Dec 12 20:47:21 all you guys use t-mobile for carriers eh? (US) Dec 12 20:48:46 that's weak ttw = $99 -_- Dec 12 20:48:52 much like at&t Dec 12 20:49:05 * alterego is Vodafone Dec 12 20:49:27 The N900 is unlocked though, you can use it with any carrier. Dec 12 20:49:35 yeah Dec 12 20:49:58 weird. whats the "Connect to USB Device" dialog for, when it exposes all devices before i even select something? Dec 12 20:50:06 but this carrier doesn't support all the us though major cities, idk about Europe though Dec 12 20:50:45 this is why I hate cell phones, companies rip you off Dec 12 20:51:08 Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/m/mbarcode-plugin-qrcode/mbarcode-plugin-qrcode_0.0.6-0_armel.deb Hash Sum mismatch Dec 12 20:52:00 ok it doesnt... apparantly /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode has nothing to do with mass storage emulation Dec 12 20:52:37 T-Mobile is over here in the uk. Dec 12 20:52:43 MohammadAG: did i read that stuff incorrectly? Dec 12 20:52:48 Senkrad_Luna: didn't know :P Dec 12 20:53:24 too bad Verizon and Spirit wasn't supported Dec 12 20:53:32 aep: musb_hdrc is hostmode Dec 12 20:53:50 yeah, thats what i thought. nothing to do with what i want Dec 12 20:54:20 and what do you want? :) Dec 12 20:54:27 switch on/off mass storage mode Dec 12 20:54:43 to enable something else? Dec 12 20:54:53 alterego: not in the USA :P Dec 12 20:54:58 alterego: it only works with T-Mobile here Dec 12 20:55:09 yeah, i want to mount the device locally, copy a file, then enable mass storage Dec 12 20:55:11 aep: you need to enable "something" or else windows as a host will stop sending power to your device Dec 12 20:55:17 comawhite: what's $99? Dec 12 20:55:41 uh, the host is a TV. i doubt its smart enough to do anything like that Dec 12 20:56:01 luke-jr: umlimited text, minutes, web Dec 12 20:56:04 for tmobile Dec 12 20:56:17 aep: the "host mode emulation" is g_file_storage, there's extensive docs for it in the Linux kernel; you can do stuff like simulating eject events and the like Dec 12 20:56:20 errrrr Dec 12 20:56:32 s/host mode emulation/mass storage emulation/ Dec 12 20:56:46 javispedro: aaah, thanks Dec 12 20:57:28 hmm i wonder if the TV is even smart enough to understand eject Dec 12 20:57:30 aep: usually rmmod g_file_storage works for killing mass storage, but to restart it you need to set all the luns etc manually or just use the UI Dec 12 20:57:43 dont want the gui :( Dec 12 20:57:47 unless someone knows how to trick ke-recv Dec 12 20:59:18 RST38h, got that, doesn't help watching live sports. Dec 12 20:59:45 alterego, ping Dec 12 20:59:52 yup? Dec 12 20:59:58 GAN: You mean, they started overlaying commercials onto live sports??? Dec 12 21:00:17 alterego, ever used Qt::tooltip Dec 12 21:00:20 RST38h, thats been there for a long time Dec 12 21:00:24 shirts have advertising on Dec 12 21:00:26 Qt::ToolTip even Dec 12 21:00:27 MohammadAG: nope Dec 12 21:01:07 comawhite: I just do unlimited web for $0 :p Dec 12 21:02:09 lcuk: Haven't watched sports, like, ever :) Dec 12 21:02:44 comawhite: anyhow, AFAIK, TMo is the *only* provider in the US with unlimited data Dec 12 21:03:06 RST38h, most of them aren't on ATSC, so I'd need something to encode component. Dec 12 21:03:13 Which is too expensive. Dec 12 21:03:29 luke-jr: there is http://www.mysimplemobile.com/ (which newegg list that is compatible) for $60 unlimited everything but it's GSM coverage is spotty: http://www.mysimplemobile.com/Simple-Mobile-Coverage.aspx Dec 12 21:03:33 for US at least Dec 12 21:04:06 never heard of it Dec 12 21:04:07 * MohammadAG sighs Dec 12 21:04:09 GAN: My BBK (Oppo in US) recorder will do it automatically Dec 12 21:05:01 from either of two component inputs too :) Dec 12 21:05:11 comawhite: if you want $0 for unlimited data only, you need to get a prepaid SIM, convince T-Mo to let you switch to the Sidekick/Hiptop plan (no longer available officially), then get your balance to something between $0.01 and $).14 Dec 12 21:05:16 alterego, hildon fails sometimes, this widget only shows in the task manager, and it doesn't capture mouse events http://i54.tinypic.com/2eandr5.jpg Dec 12 21:06:05 luke-jr: o_O Dec 12 21:06:29 Heh, nice Dec 12 21:07:38 end result: 1) you can't make calls, because they're 15c/min, 2) you can't do texts, because they can't bill you the $1/day plan fee, 3) your account won't expire, because it has a balance, but 4) data still works Dec 12 21:08:03 luke-jr: TMobiles prepaid is better than the contract, $70 for unlimited talk and text with 2GB data Dec 12 21:08:08 hey Dec 12 21:08:23 luke <== cunning Dec 12 21:08:27 im getting a cannot load FM radio drive module Dec 12 21:08:31 I just really care for the web rather than texting and phone Dec 12 21:08:35 comawhite: TMobile's no-contract postpaid is better than the contract Dec 12 21:08:48 the contract is for people who want "free" phones Dec 12 21:08:54 ah Dec 12 21:08:54 yeah Dec 12 21:08:59 thats what I got Dec 12 21:09:01 no contract Dec 12 21:09:03 unlimited Dec 12 21:09:04 :) Dec 12 21:09:05 70 dollars Dec 12 21:09:13 500 minutes, unlimited sms, unlimited 3g Dec 12 21:09:14 I have unlimited talk+text for $30/mo Dec 12 21:09:15 yup Dec 12 21:09:17 but I'm about to cancel it Dec 12 21:09:24 luke-jr: why Dec 12 21:09:27 CDMA only Dec 12 21:09:31 eww Dec 12 21:09:31 and poor coverage here Dec 12 21:09:38 isn't CDMA us only? Dec 12 21:09:42 no Dec 12 21:09:44 no, China also has CDMA Dec 12 21:09:55 ah Dec 12 21:09:56 Lots of places have CDMA, including Europe Dec 12 21:09:59 what about Europe? Dec 12 21:10:10 Except that it is not as widespread as GSM/UMTS Dec 12 21:10:42 I should probably set up my blog again .. Dec 12 21:10:49 the only problem is the prepaid plans aren't customisable Dec 12 21:11:29 comawhite: T-Mobile has some loyalty discounts after N months i hear Dec 12 21:13:22 hmm, this MySimpleMobile coverage map looks identical to T-Mobile's Dec 12 21:13:45 hey Dec 12 21:14:05 does anyone know what tmobiles STMP outgoing server is? Dec 12 21:14:06 luke-jr: naw, t mobile is much more in the central us than simple mobile Dec 12 21:14:13 **smtp Dec 12 21:14:22 comawhite: uh, no? Dec 12 21:14:33 according to this: http://coverage.t-mobile.com/Default.aspx Dec 12 21:14:34 comawhite: I used to live in central US. no service *at all* Dec 12 21:14:47 alterego, figured it out, Qt::X11BypassWindowManagerHint ftw! Dec 12 21:14:52 weird Dec 12 21:15:02 alterego, you know how to animate windows right? Dec 12 21:15:09 widgets even Dec 12 21:15:10 ehhehe Dec 12 21:15:44 I wonder if there is an activation fee for tmobile's mobile Dec 12 21:15:52 Qt::DoThatLittleTrickSomePeopleAskYouToDoEveryNowAndThen Dec 12 21:15:56 prepaid* Dec 12 21:16:05 there is Dec 12 21:16:13 or at least, they charge for the SIM Dec 12 21:16:16 Yes Dec 12 21:16:22 comawhite: just setup OpenBTS Dec 12 21:16:37 MohammadAG: what kind of animation were you thinking of? Dec 12 21:16:41 HA Dec 12 21:17:02 alterego, sliding from and to the side Dec 12 21:17:11 Easy Dec 12 21:17:28 create a QPropertyAnimation(widget, "geometry", this); Dec 12 21:17:39 set the animation duration and possibly an easing curve. Dec 12 21:18:01 Then when yo uwant to move your widget, setStartValue and setEndValue Dec 12 21:18:28 to a QRect describing the geometry of your widget (position & size) Dec 12 21:19:36 luke-jr: only shit, $1.60 to Germany with tmobile's prepaid, I can get $0.02 per minute with simplemobile Dec 12 21:19:40 holy* Dec 12 21:21:23 comawhite: SIP over GPRS ☺ Dec 12 21:21:30 eh? Dec 12 21:22:02 that's how I do it Dec 12 21:22:27 What phones work on Simple Mobile 3G? Only phones with 1700/2100 AWS band work on our 3G network. Dec 12 21:24:18 * alterego builds the latest creator rc Dec 12 21:24:26 I wonder what features it has Dec 12 21:28:58 "Simple Mobile is an MVNO on T-Mobile's network. T-Mobile's coverage area is Simple Mobile's coverage area. And unless I'm reading Simple Mobile's site wrong, they have no roaming agreements, so if you leave T-Mobile's coverage area, you get nothing at all." Dec 12 21:29:28 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63950 Dec 12 21:29:39 It runs on the 850/900/1800/1900 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE frequencies as well as the 900/1700/2100 MHz HSPA 3G frequencies. Dec 12 21:29:47 seems to be incompat with simplemobile Dec 12 21:30:09 comawhite: how do you figure? O.o Dec 12 21:30:29 I don't see 1700/2100 in GSM Dec 12 21:30:40 your Simple Mobile FAQ post was about 3G Dec 12 21:30:46 GSM is 2G Dec 12 21:30:51 well I don't know shit about cell phnes Dec 12 21:30:53 :P Dec 12 21:30:59 phones* Dec 12 21:31:37 sounds like SM limits data to under 1 GB… Dec 12 21:32:02 says unlimited at $60? Dec 12 21:32:14 but then again you have to read the fine print on that Dec 12 21:32:14 right, apparently 1000 MB is 'unlimited' to them Dec 12 21:32:20 ah Dec 12 21:32:25 That what most providers say .. Dec 12 21:32:29 see you get fucked by the fine print Dec 12 21:32:45 i hate when companies do that shit Dec 12 21:33:12 I wish one would at least do 56k type service Dec 12 21:33:12 A real unlimited contract will be based on an FUP Dec 12 21:33:33 56k might not be fast, but it can sure beat 1000 GB Dec 12 21:33:36 1000 MB* Dec 12 21:33:42 heck, 56k can beat 1000 GB too Dec 12 21:33:53 maybe not Dec 12 21:33:56 56k o_O Dec 12 21:33:59 haha Dec 12 21:34:12 hold on lemme dial in to my phone Dec 12 21:34:16 xD Dec 12 21:34:42 *dialup sound* H i I lov e u Dec 12 21:35:29 nah, 56k is just 17.8 GB/mo Dec 12 21:35:55 still better than 1 GB tho Dec 12 21:36:56 But I doubt i'll be using 1GB for a whole month Dec 12 21:37:18 desktop that is a different story, i use about 235GB of bandwidth Dec 12 21:37:25 comawhite: you can get T-Mo 500 min Talk+Text for $50, then add unlimited data for $10 :P Dec 12 21:38:16 prepaid or contract? Dec 12 21:38:17 MohammadAG, ping, even Dec 12 21:38:19 contract Dec 12 21:38:30 NooBmonk3y, damn you Dec 12 21:38:33 or get just the Talk/Text, wait a month, call em up to cancel Dec 12 21:38:34 hehehehe Dec 12 21:38:38 evening :) Dec 12 21:38:40 ask retentions for $5/mo data to stay on… Dec 12 21:38:47 aftermidnight Dec 12 21:38:53 Well done on the u-booty thingy :) Dec 12 21:38:56 well, beforemidnight, whatever :P Dec 12 21:39:00 but a quick question befor eyou go back to slumber :P Dec 12 21:39:12 thanks, it was a bricked on the first build Dec 12 21:39:18 i think imma go to SM and give it a whirl (no contract) Dec 12 21:39:18 bricker* Dec 12 21:39:21 lol - hence my question? :P Dec 12 21:39:30 worth installing and trying meego for the first time? Dec 12 21:39:39 it doesn't brick now :P Dec 12 21:39:43 wooop Dec 12 21:39:49 if you want to develop for it, sure! Dec 12 21:39:52 so install that, then install meego i assume Dec 12 21:39:55 yup Dec 12 21:40:37 thankeeeeee Dec 12 21:40:40 my dad pays under $100/mo for 5 lines from Sprint -.- Dec 12 21:40:55 why are GSM/HSPA services so insanely expensive? Dec 12 21:41:42 NooBmonk3y, http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/19/0,,i=193488&sz=1,00.jpg Dec 12 21:42:05 ? Dec 12 21:42:07 NooBmonk3y, keep that in mind for the next umm, 5 mins? Dec 12 21:42:28 * NooBmonk3y ummmm ok's Dec 12 21:45:22 meh wget not found lol Dec 12 21:46:29 apt-get install it, and use apt for my package, please! Dec 12 21:47:04 i am :) Dec 12 21:48:13 NooBmonk3y, http://i53.tinypic.com/5mibtw.jpg Dec 12 21:48:26 oooo i like! Dec 12 21:48:28 i like alot! Dec 12 21:49:13 proximity sensor is always on, put it to use, make the N900 5800-esque (is that a good thing?) Dec 12 21:50:26 well, kinda Dec 12 21:50:28 looks cool Dec 12 21:50:52 now to figure out how to ... create a QPropertyAnimation(widget, "geometry", this); Dec 12 21:51:17 :P Dec 12 21:51:40 crashanddie: ping Dec 12 21:51:47 oh, and how to handle dbus app launching without hardcoding it (and with .desktop file support) Dec 12 21:52:24 help needed urget guys! Dec 12 21:52:54 It'd be cool if you could do more with that and make some media controls Dec 12 21:53:01 i want to flash my phone but it keeps booting to meego! Dec 12 21:53:12 MohammadAG, 2 meego images? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php Dec 12 21:53:13 i keep pressing 'u' Dec 12 21:53:21 lolloo_: take out the micro sd card? Dec 12 21:53:22 but it doesnt boot in flash mode Dec 12 21:53:36 it directly boots to meego! Dec 12 21:53:40 yeah i did that Dec 12 21:53:48 it keep restarting itself Dec 12 21:53:50 that doesnt bode well, i'm just about to try meego lol Dec 12 21:54:07 i have uboot installed Dec 12 21:54:12 but uboot keeps booting Dec 12 21:54:25 i kept pressing 'u' to enter flash mode Dec 12 21:54:28 but it doesnt Dec 12 21:55:11 :| Dec 12 21:55:15 * Arkenoi is trying to find conboy replacement as tomboy sucks badly. evernote does not have desktop client at all :-/ any other option? Dec 12 21:58:18 when i connect the usb while the phone is off, i keep pressing 'u', but u-boot keeps booting Dec 12 21:58:24 ignoring 'u' Dec 12 22:01:54 NooBmonk3y, I just used the 07 Dec image Dec 12 22:02:32 why does it keep booting to meego Dec 12 22:02:52 i cant stop it ! Dec 12 22:03:03 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.9.20101207.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.9.20101207.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 NooBmonk3y Dec 12 22:04:31 i cant flash my phone anymoe, u-boot keeps booting into meego Dec 12 22:05:34 remove the battery, run flasher till it says Waiting for device or whatever, connect the USB, insert battery Dec 12 22:05:43 ty Mo! :) :) Dec 12 22:07:21 yw Dec 12 22:07:54 lol was 150kb/s and going sloooooooooooow, now randomly 1.5mb/s lol Dec 12 22:08:02 and dropping back down again :( Dec 12 22:08:23 back to 150 :( Dec 12 22:09:16 * NooBmonk3y blinks Dec 12 22:10:36 hi all, do you maybe have an explanation of this behavior with the N900 battery - when reflashed, clean, it lasted 4-5 days on light use, but when I synced some music, that dropped to about 2 days... Dec 12 22:10:51 good morning Dec 12 22:10:54 I'm thinking about maybe tracker being a bit aggressive on the CPU? does it scan when on battery and not directly requested? Dec 12 22:11:38 how are the ovi maps (latest firwware)? Dec 12 22:13:04 Saviq, never got more then 14 hours, you don't use it enough :P Dec 12 22:13:11 morning Termana Dec 12 22:13:17 NooBmonk3y: not me, my wife Dec 12 22:13:31 NooBmonk3y: I'm getting 1-1.5 days at the most Dec 12 22:13:37 :P Dec 12 22:13:40 guys, even when i connect my charger to my phone u-boot start Dec 12 22:13:46 and lets me into meego Dec 12 22:13:51 lolloo_, is it on the memory card? Dec 12 22:14:02 yes but i have remove the memory card Dec 12 22:14:06 lolloo_: you need to either remove the sd card or write 'run noloboot' Dec 12 22:14:06 random! Dec 12 22:14:29 lolloo_: you have removed the sd card and you're still getting meego!? Dec 12 22:14:53 that doesn't sound right, unless you've flashed it onto the device itself Dec 12 22:14:57 no but it turns off the phone Dec 12 22:15:13 and i when i plug the charger u-boot starts again Dec 12 22:15:23 lolloo_: yes, that's normal Dec 12 22:15:30 lolloo_, guide says "If you are unable to get back into Maemo, please follow http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware in order to reflash your device. This will destroy your current Maemo setup, but return your device to a working state" Dec 12 22:15:32 really? Dec 12 22:15:43 when you didn't have uboot it still started a minimal maemo system Dec 12 22:15:46 to handle the charging Dec 12 22:15:59 but when i keep pressing U it still boots to u-boot Dec 12 22:16:04 or "For the technically minded, you can flasher '-F -u' and 'flasher -f zImage -R' to get your original kernel back and hopefully get back to your current Maemo setup. If you have used other kernels than PR1.3 kernel as is required, this will not work." Dec 12 22:16:04 and that's exactly what happens now Dec 12 22:17:16 ok minimal maemo system Dec 12 22:17:20 but u-boot starts Dec 12 22:17:27 and no light Dec 12 22:17:42 but i can see it booting. Dec 12 22:17:43 lolloo_: that's normal when you connect a charger Dec 12 22:18:07 ok what shall i do, i know how flash procedure goes Dec 12 22:18:07 U only works when connecting to a USB port Dec 12 22:18:22 lolloo_: the procedure is the same Dec 12 22:18:41 yes thats the problem, i cant let my pc recognise my phone as flash nokia Dec 12 22:19:32 blame windows Dec 12 22:19:41 heh Dec 12 22:20:23 strange, when i connect my charger while its off, u-boot starts Dec 12 22:20:29 and then lets me go to meego Dec 12 22:20:36 meego or maemo? Dec 12 22:20:39 even without turning on the phone Dec 12 22:20:44 meego Dec 12 22:20:50 with the sd card out? Dec 12 22:21:01 that's not possible Dec 12 22:21:06 thats what i thought Dec 12 22:21:06 with sd card out it run noloboot automatically Dec 12 22:21:09 uboot is in nand Dec 12 22:21:13 but the phones turns off Dec 12 22:21:29 lolloo_: and that's standard behavior when connecting to a charger Dec 12 22:21:29 but probably has no checking for sd card Dec 12 22:21:39 jacekowski: it does Dec 12 22:21:52 jacekowski: it tries the mmc and runs nolo otherwis Dec 12 22:21:56 +e Dec 12 22:22:02 default is mmc, indeed Dec 12 22:22:21 yes it run noloboot but after that it turns off Dec 12 22:22:24 night all Dec 12 22:22:28 lolloo_: when connecting to a PC the device should be 'hijacked' by flasher Dec 12 22:22:29 night lardman Dec 12 22:22:29 run it again Dec 12 22:22:31 that's normal Dec 12 22:22:35 night larsivi Dec 12 22:22:40 your right Saviq Dec 12 22:22:43 * MohammadAG sighs, sorry Dec 12 22:22:45 but it doest Dec 12 22:22:47 not Dec 12 22:22:57 windows Dec 12 22:23:08 yeah, that's probably the issue Dec 12 22:23:10 it can't enumerate devices quickly Dec 12 22:23:16 night alls ;) - may try meego tomorrow ;) Dec 12 22:23:21 night NooBmonk3y Dec 12 22:23:22 MohammadAG: nah Dec 12 22:23:26 MohammadAG: nolo will wait Dec 12 22:23:35 ty for your help earlier mo, see ya'll 2moro Dec 12 22:23:37 MohammadAG: for a while Dec 12 22:23:45 MohammadAG: it's only internal ROM that's impatient Dec 12 22:23:47 jacekowski, idk, never flashed with windows, but uboot immediately starts Dec 12 22:23:57 less than a second Dec 12 22:24:01 yes uboot imediatly starts! Dec 12 22:24:13 with U pressed? Dec 12 22:24:17 yes Dec 12 22:24:22 jacekowski: yes, same here Dec 12 22:24:22 that shouldn't happen Dec 12 22:24:36 unless they changed something in new nolo Dec 12 22:24:48 lolloo_: that's because flasher on windows does not 'hijack' the device fast enough Dec 12 22:24:55 yes maybe Dec 12 22:25:09 Saviq: there is no need for that Dec 12 22:25:11 * Arkenoi thinks about designing alternate back cover (with better stand and maybe even microsd to sd slot converter) and manufacturing it in china.. would you buy such a thing? Dec 12 22:25:12 but when connecting charger meego start even without turning on the phone Dec 12 22:25:16 on ubuntu it works nicely Dec 12 22:25:28 jacekowski, no, U works on ubuntu, told you it's windows Dec 12 22:25:31 jacekowski: oh wait, actually it waits when U is pressed _while_ turning on Dec 12 22:25:38 lolloo_: tried that ^? Dec 12 22:25:41 Saviq: if nolo detects 5V on usb port it will wait Dec 12 22:25:56 untill some timeout Dec 12 22:26:00 i don't remember how long Dec 12 22:26:11 jacekowski: uboot starts immediately here Dec 12 22:26:15 like half a second Dec 12 22:26:18 if enumeration happens Dec 12 22:26:29 it will stay like that for very long time Dec 12 22:26:35 otherwise will switch off Dec 12 22:26:36 unless I keep U pressed Dec 12 22:26:44 or boot linux Dec 12 22:27:02 possibly Dec 12 22:27:12 i never disassembled 1.3 nolo Dec 12 22:27:14 just 1.2 Dec 12 22:27:28 1.3 has new NOLO? Dec 12 22:27:32 yes Dec 12 22:27:38 there are some minor changes Dec 12 22:27:49 lolloo_: try pressing U _while_ connecting the USB cable Dec 12 22:27:59 but i never looked what are they exactly Dec 12 22:28:13 lolloo_: stays on flash-mode until I disconnect it Dec 12 22:28:37 (or run flasher-3.5 -R) Dec 12 22:28:52 yes i keep it open Dec 12 22:28:57 but it doesnt catch it Dec 12 22:29:17 lolloo_: "open"? you mean pressed? Dec 12 22:29:34 i mean flasher Dec 12 22:29:42 and also 'u' Dec 12 22:29:42 ah ok Dec 12 22:29:54 bok now i removed mmc, Dec 12 22:29:59 rmeoved back cover Dec 12 22:30:06 and connected charger Dec 12 22:30:11 but keeps rebooting Dec 12 22:30:16 and doesnt recharge Dec 12 22:30:30 well, something's wrong with your modules then Dec 12 22:30:33 lolloo_: do you mean to flash or to recharge? Dec 12 22:30:45 Saviq, I think he has the kernel without the modules Dec 12 22:31:04 how can i solve that? Dec 12 22:31:11 it keeps rebooting Dec 12 22:31:21 flash stock kernel Dec 12 22:31:21 while charger plugged Dec 12 22:31:46 i would love to flash, Dec 12 22:31:48 but Dec 12 22:32:05 u-boot starts and ignores key 'u' Dec 12 22:32:16 that's impossible Dec 12 22:32:22 wow Dec 12 22:32:28 since it's not the kernel that handles U Dec 12 22:32:40 hold U, then plug the cable Dec 12 22:34:19 even when holding 'u' u-boot starts ignoring me Dec 12 22:35:19 u-boot isn't even present when you should be holding U Dec 12 22:36:10 so strange, that penguin keeps showing up Dec 12 22:36:24 even with u key presses and then i plug usb Dec 12 22:36:26 lolloo_: why do you connect the charger? Dec 12 22:36:43 just checking Dec 12 22:36:55 k, do this Dec 12 22:36:58 plug in the USB Dec 12 22:37:07 when uboot starts, press any key Dec 12 22:37:12 ok Dec 12 22:37:19 type reset, press enter and immediately hold U Dec 12 22:38:25 it ignores u! and the penguin shows up Dec 12 22:41:50 ok rmeoved mmc, back cover, connected usb, booted to u-boot, pressed anykey Dec 12 22:42:01 typed reset and imediatly pressed 'u' Dec 12 22:42:11 but it still keeps booting back to u-boot Dec 12 22:42:15 as if nothing pressed Dec 12 22:43:03 k, windows is retarded, usb a hub (might not work) or boot into linux Dec 12 22:43:12 alright Dec 12 22:43:18 maybe windows. Dec 12 22:43:25 thp, ping Dec 12 22:48:01 thanks Moh. i will try ubuntu live cd. Dec 12 22:48:18 reset command is good one too. Dec 12 22:57:23 Jaffa: pong Dec 12 23:33:45 LOL? ^ Dec 12 23:43:16 MohammadAG: does your client not show you global notices? Dec 12 23:44:27 it does Dec 12 23:44:41 but the notice came in 5 minutes after it quit Dec 12 23:44:50 heh, didn't notice that Dec 12 23:45:06 that sounds like quite a database issue... Dec 12 23:45:27 MohammadAG: pong Dec 12 23:46:12 hey thp :) you've worked with parsing .desktop files before right? Dec 12 23:49:45 crashanddie: was pondering on who it was you tapped up for MohammadAG's efforts. Dec 12 23:51:28 btw did anyone ever successfully got flash 10.1 from TI? Dec 12 23:51:34 thp, thought you might be interested in http://i53.tinypic.com/qqtv6s.jpg, as it's hardcoded to those apps for now Dec 12 23:51:45 Stskeeps did, don't bother asking him though Dec 12 23:52:33 wow Dec 12 23:52:35 And it's shit Dec 12 23:52:42 so it is really possible Dec 12 23:52:44 ^ Dec 12 23:53:01 almost sure it is shit, as it has no hw acceleration anyways Dec 12 23:53:07 any other problems with it? Dec 12 23:53:27 probably doesn't include flash 10.1 features Dec 12 23:53:39 i.e you're better off with a sed'd version Dec 12 23:56:11 10.1 which is not really 10.1? omfg. Dec 12 23:57:27 anyone used quilt in here? Dec 12 23:59:32 MohammadAG, what do you want to know? Is it a complex problem? :p Dec 13 00:00:02 Termana, why do I have a feeling you've never used it? Dec 13 00:00:41 MohammadAG, sure I have, the MeeGo kernel tree uses quilt Dec 13 00:00:50 So I've used it. Just not much Dec 13 00:00:56 oh nice :) Dec 13 00:01:03 how do I specify strip level? Dec 13 00:01:19 I've tried QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches quilt push -a -q fold -p0, but it isn't working Dec 13 00:03:22 -p1 Dec 13 00:03:31 I do not think "accelerated" Flash 10.1 mobile exists. Dec 13 00:03:47 jacekowski, that's default, I want it set to 0 Dec 13 00:04:22 MohammadAG: you do not specify strip level Dec 13 00:04:37 suposeddly you should not fiddle with quilt's made patches Dec 13 00:04:53 if you want to insert an external patch, either apply it then quilt diff or just quilt import it Dec 13 00:05:12 it's not quilt made Dec 13 00:05:52 MohammadAG, you have added the patch to quilt's patch list? Dec 13 00:06:06 yes Dec 13 00:06:15 meh, I'll just patch it in manually Dec 13 00:06:45 Have you tried making it -p num rather than -pnum Dec 13 00:07:04 Probably won't make a difference, but some things are fiddly. Dec 13 00:07:04 ah, you are using fold Dec 13 00:07:57 * javispedro fails to parse MohammadAG's command line Dec 13 00:08:12 does quilt accept two commands in one invocation or what? Dec 13 00:11:53 MohammadAG: what's hardcoded? Dec 13 00:12:37 the apps Dec 13 00:12:40 MohammadAG: or more specifically: what's that in the screenshot? ;) Dec 13 00:12:51 thp, ever used a 5800? Dec 13 00:13:05 http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/19/0,,i=193488&sz=1,00.jpg Dec 13 00:14:51 ah, so you are patching hildon-desktop to show that bar when you come from the edge of the screen? Dec 13 00:15:44 no, it's just a media bar that shows (actually, should, no code yet) when you touch the proximity (the 5800 has a dedicated button) Dec 13 00:15:56 and it's not patching hildon-desktop, it's completely ignoring it :P Dec 13 00:16:25 nice concept. would love to see that Dec 13 00:16:35 you need code for parsing .desktop files?> Dec 13 00:16:48 yeah, to set the shortcuts Dec 13 00:16:56 python? or c? Dec 13 00:16:56 (it's in Qt btw) Dec 13 00:17:00 C++ :P Dec 13 00:17:27 there's a .ini-style file reader i think Dec 13 00:17:49 ever worked with Qt signals btw? Dec 13 00:18:02 yes Dec 13 00:18:06 trying to do something like connect(ui->button1, SIGNAL(clicked()), this, SLOT(openApplication(QString("mediaplayer")))); Dec 13 00:18:16 that does'nt work ;) Dec 13 00:18:22 as expected :) Dec 13 00:18:49 you can't pass a QString there like you do Dec 13 00:19:03 you can only connect the signal directly Dec 13 00:19:20 i.e. SIGNAL(clicked()), SLOT(openApplication()) Dec 13 00:19:23 yeah, I know that Dec 13 00:19:31 but I want something that passes a string Dec 13 00:19:32 there you can then use a switch with QObject::sender() Dec 13 00:19:38 oh Dec 13 00:19:40 that's new to me Dec 13 00:19:57 it might not be kosher, but "Works for me(tm)" Dec 13 00:20:51 -> Warning: This function violates the object-oriented principle of modularity. However, getting access to the sender might be useful when many signals are connected to a single slot. Dec 13 00:22:10 MohammadAG: and QSignalMapper might allow to do things like "send string as parameter for when button1 is the source", but i've heard it might be slow Dec 13 00:22:51 * MohammadAG violates OOP Dec 13 00:25:43 maemo.org is down Dec 13 00:26:02 you have to say "akamai sucks" Dec 13 00:26:06 and it will start working again Dec 13 00:26:30 amsn_0.98.4-maemo0.tar.gz 49% 6824KB 54.7KB/s 02:08 ETA Dec 13 00:26:38 still working for me ^ Dec 13 00:26:47 (drop.maemo.org at least) Dec 13 00:26:53 repository.maemo.org is somewhere else Dec 13 00:27:21 my bad then :) Dec 13 00:27:40 though it's up for me Dec 13 00:27:43 (m.o) Dec 13 00:27:43 MohammadAG: and i want to see that app launcher :) not only with apps, but with scriptable actions if possible Dec 13 01:01:02 thp, where did you get the docs for switching the sender? Dec 13 01:35:54 Hmm, when did Stephen ship the first bug jar? Dec 13 01:35:56 2008? Dec 13 01:37:10 i have a bug :o Dec 13 01:37:11 http://pronto185.com/n900/camera/Omg.wtf.ahhh.12_12_2010.jpg Dec 13 01:39:55 OH FUCK Dec 13 01:39:58 I hate those things Dec 13 01:39:59 so much Dec 13 01:40:15 I think that one is big enough to eat a mouse Dec 13 01:40:21 pronto, which component was that in? "kitchen-counter" or "floor"? Dec 13 01:40:43 johnx: floor Dec 13 01:40:57 yeah, floor is pretty buggy it seems :| Dec 13 01:41:07 need to debug the floor Dec 13 01:41:08 imo Dec 13 01:41:54 i agree Dec 13 01:41:55 Install surface-spray-git Dec 13 01:42:14 myu, they eat other bugs. Dec 13 01:42:19 and rats Dec 13 01:42:40 its just childhood trauma Dec 13 01:42:44 irrational fears Dec 13 01:42:51 Hehe Dec 13 01:42:57 This is what I usually see crawling around: http://extension.entm.purdue.edu/urban/new_urban/images/changlu_pics/American_cockroach2.jpg Dec 13 01:43:49 * Jaffa should go to bed. Dec 13 01:44:09 the "bed" component is also buggy. Dec 13 01:44:12 there's no escape. Dec 13 01:44:13 01:43 local time is not a sensible time to have been watching Matt Smith on Craig Ferguson's chat show. Dec 13 01:44:20 javispedro: At least I can reboot my brain Dec 13 01:45:35 But tomorrow's only Monday. Dec 13 01:46:07 Work, tho' Dec 13 01:46:08 GeneralAntilles: Ours are better: http://australian-insects.com/imguploads/Australian-Cockroach.jpg Dec 13 01:46:24 krayon, but do yours FLY? Dec 13 01:48:32 GeneralAntilles: Actually, I've never seen them fly :/ So either they can't ... or are just somewhat reluctant to do so whilst I'm trying to kill them. Dec 13 01:49:58 krayon, interesting. Evidently yes, and we've got a lot of those here in Florida, too. Dec 13 01:50:13 Apparently fairly closely related. Dec 13 01:51:16 This sounds like a conversation about the sequels to Tremors now ;-) Dec 13 01:51:39 Mine don't fly, but they are bi-pedal heat seakers. Dec 13 01:51:40 That series had disturbing longevity. Dec 13 01:51:59 * Jaffa never saw the TV series; nor Tremors 4 (IIRC) Dec 13 01:55:12 aus has some pretty hardcore spiders Dec 13 01:55:24 im pretty sure id shit myself over there Dec 13 01:56:27 in a rural area of course Dec 13 01:57:09 Anybody know why the N900 hardware meetings were cancelled? Dec 13 02:01:13 GeneralAntilles: ping Stskeeps on #meego ;-) Dec 13 02:01:21 Jaffa: I'm sure he's not awake. Dec 13 02:01:28 and the floor is de-bugged Dec 13 02:01:33 GeneralAntilles: He'd be stupid to in his TZ. Dec 13 02:01:34 Oh. Dec 13 02:01:36 Right. Dec 13 02:01:37 Gone. Dec 13 02:01:38 G'night Dec 13 02:01:40 Jaffa: but if you want to try to dig out the reason in the morning if I don't catch him before I go to bed. . . . Dec 13 02:01:42 night Dec 13 02:04:09 http://pronto185.com/n900/camera/Hahaha.i.win.this.time.mr.evil.bug.12_12_2010.jpg see, floor= debugged Dec 13 02:32:21 since maemo is "dead" will the control be given to the community to allow work to be added etc? or not? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Dec 13 02:59:58 2010