**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 13 02:59:58 2010 Dec 13 03:02:07 comawhite: nope :/ Dec 13 03:02:51 luke-jr, lame Dec 13 03:04:36 u Dec 13 03:04:39 :p Dec 13 03:05:08 * comawhite throws a windows phone 7 at luke-jr Dec 13 03:05:55 * SpeedEvil watches as the phone hits luke-jr and bounces off in a strangely kinetic flowing manner. Dec 13 03:06:20 "Spurious DMA IRQ" -- first time I see it :) Dec 13 03:07:08 well, time to go. cya. Dec 13 03:07:19 http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/mediabar you know you want it Dec 13 03:08:05 http://i53.tinypic.com/qqtv6s.jpg ^ Dec 13 03:08:18 I'll up source tomorrow, too tired now :/ Dec 13 03:10:33 comawhite, community did updates for Maemo4, I expect to see the same thing for Maemo5, though once MeeGo comes out on an actual device people will jump there anyways.. Dec 13 03:14:24 ShadowJK, probably so, but people will still have it for another year or so. Depending on prices and also depending on how MeeGO picks up in the market Dec 13 03:15:29 ShadowJK, If the MeeGo phone is like the N900 but better (from all the reasons I heard bad of the N900), then I would see more people leaving the N900 behind Dec 13 03:15:37 But not at the start Dec 13 03:15:48 for at least a few months if any Dec 13 03:16:43 Yeah unfortunately it looks like many of the things that make N900 good is getting thrown away :) Dec 13 03:16:51 But if I don't like the meego phone that comes out, i'll just use my n900 until a better one Dec 13 03:17:04 ShadowJK, I hope the hell not Dec 13 03:17:36 ShadowJK, from what I've seen the n900 is capable of doing, I don't want anything gone, only improved and more added Dec 13 03:18:23 like I want the phone to expand the screen to full front screen, keep the IR, a better gui system, lighter, faster Dec 13 03:18:32 maybe more memory Dec 13 03:18:41 I saw this interview with Nokia design vice executive or something, he said something like that phones these days kinda suck because they can only be used by staring at the screen, so they're going to remove all hardware keys (?!) Dec 13 03:18:42 and batter battery Dec 13 03:19:04 all hardware keys? Dec 13 03:19:08 nfi Dec 13 03:19:13 what voice activation everything? Dec 13 03:19:25 i never liked voice controlled apps Dec 13 03:19:30 too glitchy Dec 13 03:19:51 I don't think it makes sense, if you want to use it without looking at it you need more interfaces with tactile feedback so you don't have to actually look at where you're pressing on the touchscreen Dec 13 03:20:05 The N900 is very powerful, but it never really took off so to speak Dec 13 03:20:22 Definitely more memory though, it's the biggest weakness Dec 13 03:20:24 all that stuttering Dec 13 03:20:37 i get my phone wednesday ;P Dec 13 03:21:17 i didn't really see the fat problems other users complained, because i got to touch one in my job interview and it wasn't what people claimed Dec 13 03:21:22 but that's only my opinion Dec 13 03:22:53 Well.. There's alot of people that are like "Oooh, it has a shoot-self-in-foot feature! Hmm.. I don't know how to use it, but there's a thread on the forum how to shoot self in foot, I'll ask there and follow the instructions unless they tell me to go back to page 1 and read the instructions already posted" (3 days later) "Hey I shot myself in the foot, this phone sucks! You suck!" Dec 13 03:23:39 Well I use Gentoo, I shot myself in the foot for months trying to understand that distro, now I enjoy it and love it :) Dec 13 03:23:57 i still get critised for loving Gentoo :P Dec 13 03:24:18 And then there was this guy yesterday that was like "Why does it corrupt my filesystem all the time? I overclocked to 2Ghz and undervolted, but that's unrelated" Dec 13 03:24:36 moron Dec 13 03:24:52 it's a cell phone, it's not suppose to be overclocked Dec 13 03:25:06 sure it's a OS on steroids Dec 13 03:25:15 but that's besides the point Dec 13 03:26:06 btw, luke is the local stallman, and he's also been trying to get KDE running on his N900 :-) Dec 13 03:26:17 hehe Dec 13 03:26:46 i hope KDE can run on it one day, but i want to see that more on meego when it's released Dec 13 03:27:25 but tbh, i think the meego phone will have more memory Dec 13 03:27:47 how's meego on the n900? Dec 13 03:28:29 no power management atm, it doubles as handwarmer Dec 13 03:28:41 hehe Dec 13 03:29:15 gotta run, good luck with the n900 and have the firmware images and flasher utility ready for when you shoot self in foot ;-) Dec 13 03:29:23 ShadowJK, what about nitroid? Dec 13 03:29:36 hehe later Dec 13 05:07:03 hi Dec 13 05:10:33 ≡ Dec 13 05:53:08 Arkenoi: (buy) actually I would Dec 13 06:02:06 Well. Moorning. Dec 13 06:05:50 morning RST38h Dec 13 06:53:23 http://gizmodo.com/5712693/watch-the-metrodome-collapse-from-the-inside Dec 13 06:58:04 damn, i heard about it, crazy, can you imagine if that happened during gametime? Dec 13 06:58:12 yes. Dec 13 06:58:23 would be mighty spectacular, too. Dec 13 07:03:49 considering the fact that this clip made it on virtually avery TV station's newsflash on this globe, I bet the royalties easily will buy the new roof Dec 13 07:04:45 they're replacing a very similar style roof here in Vancouver Dec 13 07:04:53 it's costing 5-600million... Dec 13 07:05:13 the new one can't even be opened or closed when it's raining... Dec 13 07:06:23 * RST38h wonders what prevented the arena owners from hiring a few migrant workers to clean the roof Dec 13 07:06:52 federal law? :) Dec 13 07:07:28 I could go outside for an hour or two, and then contribute with a few near-fatal snow and icicle falls to pavement Dec 13 07:07:39 It's probably a bonus for them. now they can get the local government to buy them a new roof. (again, this is what happened here in Vancouver) Dec 13 07:07:55 doc: It is not Germany, they are still allowed to hire help in the US=) Dec 13 07:08:14 RST38h: hah, that kind of stupidity's not limited to Germany :) Dec 13 07:09:52 Oh well. TTG to work. Dec 13 07:10:06 RST38h: what prevented them - pure ignorance I guess. At a certain point in time it's too late then Dec 13 07:13:07 btw "video not available" - HAHA Dec 13 07:13:35 toldya thy know how to make money out of that Dec 13 07:15:07 get your ticket for next big roof collapse *now*, and have your 10% discount Dec 13 08:16:38 good morning Dec 13 08:19:34 Mornin :) Dec 13 08:28:03 hmmm if flashing meego, is it possible to do it via the usb cable to the memory card, as i have no externally memory card reader :P (Just checking :|) Dec 13 08:28:20 (ie connected to the n900, with memory card in) Dec 13 08:29:07 NooBmonk3y: Yes, the memory card shows up as a mass storage device. Dec 13 08:29:28 :) yay! - as it had nitrdoid on it, it seems to be showing up as 2 partitions Dec 13 08:29:39 Another option is to copy the image to the device and dd to the memory card :) Dec 13 08:29:41 /dev/sde1 1 180060 5761919+ c W95 FAT32 (LBA) Dec 13 08:29:48 /dev/sde2 180061 242560 2000000 83 Linux Dec 13 08:29:57 assuming sde2 is the nitdroid one :P Dec 13 08:31:10 ahhh well dloaded it to the pc, so this command should work sudo dd bs=4096 if= of=/dev/sdX Dec 13 08:31:18 eeeek, sudo dd bs=4096 if= of=/dev/sde Dec 13 08:32:05 If you are really sure sde is the right one. Dec 13 08:32:30 hehehe - i do like the amount of warnings :P Dec 13 08:33:13 Disk /dev/sde: 7948 MB ... it is an 8gb memory card :) Dec 13 08:33:24 (the only 8gb card :) ) Dec 13 08:33:34 NooBmonk3y: That sounds ok then. Dec 13 08:34:19 hmmmm 30 mins till work... lol Dec 13 08:37:36 i really should be less nervous when i flash, done it enough lol Dec 13 08:44:06 shoulda asked.... roughly how long should it take? lol Dec 13 08:45:03 Depends on the write speed of your card. Dec 13 08:45:16 oooo probably slowish, class 4 i think Dec 13 08:45:40 MB/s * image size :) Dec 13 08:46:30 ahhh okies :) Dec 13 08:46:30 Well the other way around and devide by.... hmm need more coffee. Dec 13 08:46:33 lol Dec 13 08:46:39 done yay! Dec 13 08:46:46 1946157057 bytes (1.9 GB) copied, 188.778 s, 10.3 MB/s Dec 13 08:47:00 sync to be sure. Dec 13 08:47:43 sync? Dec 13 08:48:01 type 'sync', hit enter. Dec 13 08:48:02 doh, doesnt say that on the wiki :P Dec 13 08:48:08 just booted down Dec 13 08:48:36 Well. It should be ok if you don't have writeback cache enabled ;) Dec 13 08:48:37 When you shutdown the N900 it will auto sync Dec 13 08:48:48 oo its doing something :| Dec 13 08:48:51 Yeah, on proper shutdown you should be fine. Dec 13 08:49:20 lol X-Fade i'm hoping it is just gonna work, but then doesn't everyone ;) Dec 13 08:49:45 eeeek 8 minutes till work :P Dec 13 08:50:10 ok, well i have a very random white pointer on a black screen, so somethings happenned Dec 13 08:50:56 yay! meego screens seem to be loading Dec 13 08:50:58 wohoooooooooooo Dec 13 08:51:10 and boooger, back in 8 hours! have a good day, and thank you X-Fade ! Dec 13 09:27:39 thanks again X-Fade , booted into meego fine :) see what they mean about being in development, hehe Dec 13 09:29:27 Noobmonk3y: yeah, no performance optimizations yet. Dec 13 09:30:19 hehe, not a problem, its just to start looking at how to develop on it :) enough for me :) Dec 13 10:01:11 (shutdown) won't help to finish a sync for mass storage mode dd. You need to "safely remove" on your PC Dec 13 10:01:46 (bs=4096) why that? it's extremely small a blocksize Dec 13 10:02:29 s/blocksize/buffersize; as that better tells what this parameter actually does Dec 13 10:03:32 bs=1M is sorta fine Dec 13 10:04:21 DocScrutinizer, was just using meego install guide from the meego site Dec 13 10:40:42 Noobmonk3y, which guide specifically, share a link to help add context :) Dec 13 10:55:53 lcuk, link is on my home pc, i am at work on n900 lol, will go look Dec 13 10:57:11 lcuk, http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC Dec 13 11:02:33 Noobmonk3y: not using uboot? :) Dec 13 11:03:14 alterego, yup i am Dec 13 11:03:15 its working :) Dec 13 11:03:28 would be nicer to have a select screen like multiboot though Dec 13 11:03:29 Cool :) Dec 13 11:03:44 Yeah Dec 13 11:04:58 MohammadAG's package for kernel v6 works very well! Dec 13 11:16:55 MohammadAG: ping Dec 13 11:26:28 TMO users are fun Dec 13 11:27:06 hehe Dec 13 11:27:47 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66767 thread made me laugh Dec 13 11:28:12 I wontfix-ed all my nokia related bugs and it turned to 9 pages discussion... Dec 13 11:30:06 is there any way to reset the DSP without rebooting? Dec 13 11:30:26 hrw: wow, I missed the end of support announcement Dec 13 11:31:53 Venemo_N900, pong Dec 13 11:32:09 Noobmonk3y, oh so it doesn't brick devices? cra... yay Dec 13 11:33:09 MohammadAG: your qt mediaplayer is packaged somewhere? Dec 13 11:34:20 hrw, http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer it's just a UI clone for now Dec 13 11:34:29 ok Dec 13 11:34:33 mohammediaplayer! :D Dec 13 11:34:41 * alterego chuckles Dec 13 11:34:41 MohammadAG: QML or normal Qt Designer ui files? Dec 13 11:34:57 MohammadAG: as in, there is no backend yet, or as in it uses the old backend for now? Dec 13 11:35:19 Qt designer Dec 13 11:35:22 * MohammadAG stabs alterego Dec 13 11:35:26 no backend yet Dec 13 11:35:59 lol alterego Dec 13 11:36:41 lol MohammadAG , not bricked it yet anyway! Dec 13 11:36:43 is there mpd for maemo? Dec 13 11:43:33 BCMM i think yes Dec 13 11:43:40 there are mpd and xmms2 Dec 13 11:43:53 BCMM i think it's in repos even Dec 13 11:45:43 is the media player coming along nicely MohammadAG? Dec 13 11:47:52 Venemo_N900, UI is almost done, lardman's been looking at adding mafw to it Dec 13 11:47:59 Venemo_N900, http://i53.tinypic.com/qqtv6s.jpg Dec 13 11:48:22 MohammadAG: good news :) Dec 13 11:48:39 MohammadAG: hm, what's this stuff? Dec 13 11:49:13 some sort of always-on shortcut widgets, or a bug? Dec 13 11:49:13 Venemo_N900, mediabar, similar to the 5800's, but since the N900 has no button for it, it's using the proximity Dec 13 11:49:46 shortcut widget, activated by the sensor Dec 13 11:49:52 mhm Dec 13 11:50:08 http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/mediabar Dec 13 11:50:14 uploading source in a bit Dec 13 11:50:17 Does compositing work for that width MohammadAG ? Dec 13 11:50:20 interesting Dec 13 11:50:29 alterego, composoting is? Dec 13 11:50:35 why not with the camera button? Dec 13 11:50:39 alterego, it's ignoring the whole desktop Dec 13 11:50:41 Does transparency effects work? Dec 13 11:50:48 Yes, I know. Dec 13 11:50:58 yes Dec 13 11:51:06 i was surprised it worked Dec 13 11:51:09 Wicked Dec 13 11:51:20 Qt::QA_TranslucentBackground or sth Dec 13 11:51:32 s/QA/WA/ Dec 13 11:51:32 MohammadAG meant: Qt::WA_TranslucentBackground or sth Dec 13 11:52:07 I want media player controls Dec 13 11:52:17 :) Dec 13 11:52:22 alterego, I want transitions :P Dec 13 11:52:37 MohammadAG: where's the source? I'll give you a patch Dec 13 11:53:25 alterego, sec, making a git page is hard on the N900 Dec 13 11:53:47 I'm thinking scroll in from the side and fade in with opacity. Dec 13 11:54:30 good idea :P Dec 13 11:54:42 but let's use the camera key and not the sensor Dec 13 11:54:56 I always accidentally cover the sensor... Dec 13 11:54:57 why? Dec 13 11:55:08 i'm adding a timeout Dec 13 11:55:10 Doesn't matter yet Dec 13 11:55:14 like hold for 2 seconds Dec 13 11:55:20 Shortcuts can be changed. Dec 13 11:55:39 but the sensor is _ALWAYS_ on, so it's better to use it for something good i suppose :P Dec 13 11:56:09 MohammadAG: Finally got around to checking out Qt Media Player (really needs a good name, I still suggest Omp for its similarity to 'Amp') Dec 13 11:56:32 Mohammedia player Dec 13 11:56:42 I can't help it :D Dec 13 11:56:43 MohammadAG: make it configurable then please :P Dec 13 11:56:47 looks like Macromedia Dec 13 11:56:50 alterego: Hardly incites additional contribution, does it? :-p Dec 13 11:57:11 Jaffa: he's going to work on Flash 10.1 next, Mohammedia Flash 10.1 Dec 13 11:58:03 /kick alterego Dec 13 11:58:06 :) Dec 13 11:58:11 You love it :P Dec 13 11:58:54 hehehe Dec 13 11:59:05 it sounds better than Maemohammad :P Dec 13 11:59:14 :) Dec 13 11:59:20 alterego: your sense of humor is approaching lcuk's :P Dec 13 11:59:36 nahh Dec 13 11:59:47 I'm not that disturbed .. Yet .. Dec 13 11:59:52 :D Dec 13 11:59:56 a quote from #liqbase Dec 13 11:59:57 * lcuk rubs his nipple in appreciation Dec 13 11:59:57 big circular motions too :P Dec 13 12:00:14 * alterego wonders what was being apprciated at that time .. Dec 13 12:00:23 hehe Dec 13 12:00:33 KotCzarny, i am enjoying my very sensitive nipple :) Dec 13 12:00:41 hmm, it's 11:59 and i'm already bored Dec 13 12:00:44 http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint Dec 13 12:01:09 (incase you pervs thought I meant anything other than computer nipple) Dec 13 12:01:28 nipples? Dec 13 12:01:30 tits? Dec 13 12:01:49 Heh Dec 13 12:07:27 alterego, http://gitorious.org/mediabar/mediabar Dec 13 12:08:33 Looking at it now Dec 13 12:09:35 Think I'd prefer it as QML though :P Dec 13 12:09:53 lcuk: you mean your clit? Dec 13 12:10:05 I know I'm supposed to use the pid of the program (how do I get that in Qt?) instead of 1, but... wth Dec 13 12:10:06 (#243) Dec 13 12:10:11 alterego, don't get me started :P Dec 13 12:11:33 meh, LaunchApplication doesn't return anything Dec 13 12:11:36 * MohammadAG adjusts code Dec 13 12:18:24 error proximityd not found :D Dec 13 12:18:45 * alterego installs Dec 13 12:19:10 good thing I added that Dec 13 12:19:14 but the app still launches Dec 13 12:19:21 Yes Dec 13 12:19:25 (got no idea how to break launch from the constructor Dec 13 12:19:27 ) Dec 13 12:19:36 QApplication::exit() ? Dec 13 12:19:49 that works from the constructor? Dec 13 12:19:58 yes Dec 13 12:20:15 Anyhow, erm, does it not hide yet? Dec 13 12:20:19 last time I checked it didn't :/ Dec 13 12:20:49 Mediabar: ERROR: proximityd not found! Dec 13 12:20:49 Mediabar initialized, Dec 13 12:20:51 nope, doesn't work Dec 13 12:21:01 Then you're doing it wrong :P Dec 13 12:21:03 no Dec 13 12:21:07 not at launch Dec 13 12:21:24 afaik, I can't do this from the constructor Dec 13 12:21:27 How do I get it to hide ? Dec 13 12:21:32 Yes you can Dec 13 12:21:37 click a button Dec 13 12:22:07 http://gitorious.org/mediabar/mediabar/blobs/master/widget.cpp#line43 Dec 13 12:22:21 then why's that ignored? :) Dec 13 12:22:44 How do you get it to appear again then? Dec 13 12:22:58 tap the sensor Dec 13 12:23:07 It's not doing anything :/ Dec 13 12:23:11 hmm Dec 13 12:23:25 start proximityd (why isn't that stuff started automatically...) Dec 13 12:23:56 MohammadAG: Because it eats battery :) Dec 13 12:23:57 It is, and it is running :P Dec 13 12:24:10 X-Fade, nope, the sensor is always on Dec 13 12:24:26 hi Dec 13 12:24:32 X-Fade, and the service should be always on Dec 13 12:24:36 Ah ,"respawning too fast" .. Dec 13 12:24:37 Great .. Dec 13 12:24:40 MohammadAG: Are you sure about that? Dec 13 12:24:45 yes Dec 13 12:24:53 Even if the screen is locked? Dec 13 12:24:55 two sensors, front and back, are always active Dec 13 12:24:59 MohammadAG: what's the problem? Dec 13 12:25:02 not sure about that, but afaik yes Dec 13 12:25:44 re Dec 13 12:26:03 has anyone experiences with gorillamobile and n900 yet? Dec 13 12:26:25 I think the problem is actually proximityd Dec 13 12:26:32 It doesn't appear to be sending any signals .. Dec 13 12:26:50 well, it has to be initialized first Dec 13 12:26:57 which is what I do in the constructor Dec 13 12:27:07 so CTRL+C and start it again Dec 13 12:28:40 Still nothing. Dec 13 12:35:51 alterego, figured it out yet? Dec 13 12:36:06 * lardman remembers he is supposed to check the bugtracker for mBarcode bugs Dec 13 12:36:14 i just had WTF moment Dec 13 12:36:18 when i looked at calendar Dec 13 12:36:29 how does it know when somebody has birthday? Dec 13 12:36:51 gets data from the contacts app Dec 13 12:36:56 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66938 Dec 13 12:37:02 anyone tried this before? Dec 13 12:37:34 MohammadAG: nope Dec 13 12:37:53 is it avrcp profile or something else? Dec 13 12:38:23 I think that's a wired headphone isn't it? Dec 13 12:38:34 yes Dec 13 12:39:03 MohammadAG: I'll try restarting my device and see if that makes a difference. Dec 13 12:39:25 alterego, trying it on another device over ssh Dec 13 12:40:13 there seem to be several plugins to use MSN IM in maemo. anyone know the difference or have a recommendation? Dec 13 12:41:44 alterego, worked without a reboot (though I did start it as root) Dec 13 12:42:09 BCMM: Pecan has a bug which the author has been failing to repair for more than a half year Dec 13 12:42:18 Venemo: thanks! Dec 13 12:42:37 BCMM: Haze fails to log in about 50% of the time, and is buggy Dec 13 12:42:46 i didn't see one called haze... Dec 13 12:43:00 BCMM: it is in the "pidgin protocols plugin..." package Dec 13 12:43:23 what about "MSN protocol plugin for conversations and contacts"? Dec 13 12:43:51 BCMM: Butterfly (the plain "MSN protocol plugin") is working most of the time, sometimes it can't login and says "network error" Dec 13 12:43:58 thanks Dec 13 12:44:09 Venemo: that just happens with everything i think. their servers fail. Dec 13 12:44:22 all in all, none of them is very good for everyday use Dec 13 12:44:42 well, MSN IM itself probably isn't Dec 13 12:44:55 it can't login even when I can from desktop Dec 13 12:45:00 so... something's wrong there Dec 13 12:45:04 Venemo: windows desktop? Dec 13 12:45:13 BCMM: yep. Dec 13 12:45:25 BCMM: I sometimes log in from Linux too (with Empathy) Dec 13 12:45:30 i think they have different servers for different protocol versions Dec 13 12:45:32 alterego, try running dbus-send --dest=proximityd.method.change --type=method_call --print-reply /proximityd/method/change proximityd.method.change.Change string:turnOn int32:1 Dec 13 12:45:35 (or something) Dec 13 12:46:02 BCMM: jabber + transports is the best option Dec 13 12:46:04 BCMM: that's possible, but anyway it's annoying as hell Dec 13 12:46:05 and the ones for older protocols version go wrong quite a lot, probably to dissaude people from relying unofficial clients Dec 13 12:46:27 jacekowski: that's internet services that bridge jabber and MSN, right? Dec 13 12:46:33 yes Dec 13 12:46:46 msn will drain battery a lot more than jabber Dec 13 12:46:50 ah Dec 13 12:46:58 so you can let your jabber server do all stuff Dec 13 12:47:01 jacekowski: thanks, i'll look at that - how does one do that? Dec 13 12:47:09 BCMM: your best bet would be trying Pecan and see if you encounter its bug Dec 13 12:47:15 as if jabber wasn't draining battery like a mad Dec 13 12:47:42 BCMM: find jabber server that has transports to msn, create account, register with transport, and use it Dec 13 12:47:48 Corsac: msn uses a lot more Dec 13 12:48:00 jabber is one of lightest protocols avaliable Dec 13 12:48:05 ugh, just remembered taht MSN doesn't let you log in from two clients at the same time Dec 13 12:48:18 esspecialy if you need multiple protocols Dec 13 12:48:30 because then you have one jabber connection and server deals with transports Dec 13 12:48:45 is it possible, using a jabber transport, to recieve incomming MSN messages on more than one machine at once? Dec 13 12:48:49 yes Dec 13 12:48:53 BCMM: you can log in from 2+ clients at the same time with the M$ client Dec 13 12:48:55 cool, thanks Dec 13 12:48:58 but that depends on server Dec 13 12:49:07 some will only send messages to higher priority client Dec 13 12:49:09 jacekowski: do servers that do that offer free accounts? Dec 13 12:49:29 it all depends on config Dec 13 12:49:41 lardman: using unofficial MSN clients, i find that the server disconnects me if i login elsewhere Dec 13 12:49:56 jacekowski: and do you have a server you would recommend? Dec 13 12:50:02 BCMM: i'm using my own server Dec 13 12:50:04 BCMM: yes quite Dec 13 12:50:32 BCMM: i don't trust other people Dec 13 12:51:53 talking of battery life, is there currently any way to transport skype instant message over literally anything other than skype? Dec 13 12:52:14 there were some attepnts Dec 13 12:52:17 but failed Dec 13 12:53:45 so how do these jabber transports work? you still register a proper MSN account, right? Dec 13 12:54:59 BCMM: yes Dec 13 12:55:12 well, thanks a lot of the advice Dec 13 12:55:14 BCMM: and transports are available for most IM stuff Dec 13 12:55:46 BCMM: like ICQ and others Dec 13 12:56:05 chem|st: do you have a jabber server you'd recommend? Dec 13 12:56:19 BCMM: no I am oldschool jabber.org Dec 13 12:56:43 BCMM: that has no transports or I do not know about ;) Dec 13 12:57:09 i don't really know much about jabber... different jabber servers largely peer with one another, right? Dec 13 12:57:27 BCMM: yes Dec 13 12:57:53 any idea of MSN/windows live messenger has a test or echo service/ Dec 13 12:58:05 BCMM: http://www.bigblueball.com/forums/general-other-im-news/33739-connect-google-talk-aim-msn-yahoo.html Dec 13 12:58:23 guess you already got an gAccount Dec 13 12:59:01 BCMM: no voip transport on most serverss Dec 13 12:59:54 is a "jabber id" username@server.tld? Dec 13 13:00:05 yes Dec 13 13:00:07 wow Dec 13 13:00:15 freezing :) Dec 13 13:00:22 Macer: exactly Dec 13 13:00:47 chem|st: like -100 wind chill in chicago today. i should have called off from work Dec 13 13:00:51 lol Dec 13 13:01:20 BCMM: ok just read the article I posted to you myself... heavy work around... maybe there is something easier than that aailable Dec 13 13:01:52 Corsac: not really heavy workaround Dec 13 13:01:55 BCMM: yes Dec 13 13:02:02 BCMM: it looks like an e-mail Dec 13 13:02:11 Macer: and what was the actual temp. ? Dec 13 13:02:17 BCMM: for examply my jid: jacekowski@jacekowski.org and my mail: jacekowski@jacekowski.org Dec 13 13:02:35 jacekowski: you meant me I guess Dec 13 13:02:56 jacekowski: you setup a jabber to connect to another jabber to connect to your IM... Dec 13 13:03:08 jacekowski: ? Dec 13 13:03:19 Corsac: type he was talking to me Dec 13 13:04:32 chem|st: don't flatter yourself Dec 13 13:04:49 jacekowski: ? Dec 13 13:06:09 yeah, it was to you Dec 13 13:11:45 hello Dec 13 13:12:53 i cannot sign in to my yahoo acount Dec 13 13:13:18 what should i do Dec 13 13:13:22 i cannot sign into my geocities account Dec 13 13:13:23 morning Dec 13 13:13:54 i give this error . not signed in Dec 13 13:14:07 pleas help me ! Dec 13 13:15:39 hm.?! Dec 13 13:16:09 Shahab: forgot your password? Dec 13 13:16:18 nono ! Dec 13 13:16:36 i can sign in to my acount by pidgin Dec 13 13:16:50 but Dec 13 13:17:00 [14:12] i cannot sign in to my yahoo acount -> so this was a lie Dec 13 13:17:33 in conversation and contact Dec 13 13:17:35 .oO(Probably he's asking on #maemo because he's talking about a Maemo application being unable to login) Dec 13 13:17:56 which could cause if Yahoo killed third party clients. again. Dec 13 13:17:58 well then there's a Maemo version of Pidgin, use that Dec 13 13:18:10 s/cause/happen Dec 13 13:23:25 Venemo: good one ;) Dec 13 13:23:53 chem|st: :P Dec 13 13:24:13 be nice ppl... the sheep will thank you! Dec 13 13:29:53 hello! Someone can tell me the output of "ls /usr/share/sharing/services" on his n900,pls ? Dec 13 13:30:52 OS6081: as root or as user? Dec 13 13:31:34 OS6081: as user, it's 'flickr.service.xml ovi.service.xml' Dec 13 13:31:58 tks! Dec 13 13:32:19 I have to understand why "share by email" is not working! Dec 13 13:36:41 I am looking for a possibility to use the N900 as microphone. I have a soundsystem connected to the line out and play music from the phone. Now I am looking for a software that lets me talk to the N900 and send my voice to the soundsystem. Is there a software for this? Dec 13 13:37:14 At best with a voiceover function for the internal media player Dec 13 13:38:06 ag0ny: pulseaudio itself does that Dec 13 13:38:22 ag0ny: pulseaudio.org may not be your friend but is the handler Dec 13 13:38:49 ag0ny: I tried to get networking working and remained trying... Dec 13 13:39:32 chem|st: there's some incompatibility with modern pulseaudio client libraries and the older maemo version Dec 13 13:39:40 chem|st: there are some threads on tm Dec 13 13:39:40 o Dec 13 13:39:56 I've done it at least twice, so it is doable. I used the debian lenny libraries. Dec 13 13:40:11 javispedro: not only that but the way nokia cut off its balls makes it quiet hard to handle Dec 13 13:40:34 tbh I do not think it is Nokia's fault. Dec 13 13:41:14 (well, save for keeping an outdated version...) Dec 13 13:41:24 javispedro: it is run as system-wide daemon what is not recommended and actually never needed Dec 13 13:42:00 chem|st: note that the pulseaudio author itself says "not recommended ... save for embedded systems" Dec 13 13:42:45 javispedro: "if realy needed that way" Dec 13 13:42:54 actual quote is here: http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/SystemWideInstance Dec 13 13:43:21 chem|st: it says "it makes sense to use the system-wide mode in embedded systems where no real notion of a user exists" (which is exactly what Maemo is) Dec 13 13:43:37 javispedro: we have "user" Dec 13 13:43:49 chem|st: single user. Dec 13 13:43:59 so what? Dec 13 13:44:05 and PA is run as "user", yes Dec 13 13:44:18 Venemo: no it is run as "pulse" Dec 13 13:44:26 hm Dec 13 13:44:35 so there's a special account for PA? Dec 13 13:44:37 interesting Dec 13 13:44:38 chem|st: no real notion of user. Dec 13 13:45:31 javispedro: how do you control the daemon? I never got a clue how to do that without braking somethin Dec 13 13:45:43 install pulseaudio-extra package and run pacmd Dec 13 13:46:03 (pulseaudio-extra iirc, maybe -utils or -modules-extra) Dec 13 13:46:10 javispedro: as user and as root you get a there is no server running for your user Dec 13 13:46:32 ah yes, you need to load the console module Dec 13 13:46:47 Venemo: check /etc/passwd Dec 13 13:46:58 javispedro: but how do I load a module without being able to tell pulse? Dec 13 13:47:05 there's a lot of different users with no shell for different processes Dec 13 13:47:12 * MohammadAG wants a C++ IDE for the N900 :/ Dec 13 13:47:13 chem|st: edit default.pa and reboot Dec 13 13:47:26 javispedro: ah ok sure Dec 13 13:47:38 chem|st: iirc there's actually a comment in that file telling you how to do it (cause Nokia had to it ot debug I guess) Dec 13 13:47:46 Necc: you are right :) thx Dec 13 13:47:58 ;) Dec 13 13:48:01 MohammadAG: there's KhtEditor, but that needs a little bit of work Dec 13 13:48:03 MohammadAG: still no joy Dec 13 13:48:24 alterego, run the dbus command I gave you Dec 13 13:48:35 then run the app Dec 13 13:49:28 fyi, I added a QTimer (not yet comitted since i'm away from the laptop), to it Dec 13 13:49:43 so it should only show if the proximity was held for some time Dec 13 13:49:56 (will make it customizable later) Dec 13 13:50:39 Yeah, that's working. Dec 13 13:51:00 nano's cool with syntax highlighting Dec 13 13:51:05 a noob question: how to edit (cut, concatenate, audio-edit) videos taken on N900, prior to sharing them? Dec 13 13:51:33 DocScrutinizer: without also using a PC? Dec 13 13:51:38 yep Dec 13 13:51:41 of course Dec 13 13:51:56 DocScrutinizer: no idea :( Dec 13 13:52:50 chem|st: I just remembered that there's a command lime parameter to make pulseaudio drop to a cmd line after daemonizing. You might want to use that for a quick hack. Dec 13 13:53:38 chem|st: (by stopping pulse then starting it mimicking what the init.d script does) Dec 13 13:55:52 DocScrutinizer: there was talks about a video editor app (pitivi?), I'm not sure they went anywhere Dec 13 13:58:08 ok, this made me laugh. Dec 13 13:58:49 So I tell this guy "Maybe what you're saying sounds like nonsense to me because neither of us are native speakers", trying to be humble all while saying he's talking bullshit Dec 13 13:59:15 the guy's answer? "you should then use google 'transliterator'!!! [sic] Dec 13 13:59:19 Weird .. Dec 13 13:59:24 Can't get it to animate Dec 13 13:59:35 what is a 'transliterator'? Dec 13 14:00:04 Venemo: I think he meant "translator", but got it wrong. Dec 13 14:00:11 hehe :D Dec 13 14:01:22 * javispedro ponders leaving the niceties apart.. Dec 13 14:02:42 http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/AboutPulseAudio#Details *priceless* Dec 13 14:07:50 Interesting. Dec 13 14:09:24 yeah, look at that: http://rudd-o.com/en/linux-and-free-software/how-pulseaudio-works/images/pulseaudio-diagram.png?isImage=1 makes it obvious why most apps today (remember: ALSA been THE audio standard on linux until recently) are way better off without PA Dec 13 14:09:51 alterego, got a patch? :P Dec 13 14:10:01 DocScrutinizer: ALSA suxs!! Dec 13 14:10:05 MohammadAG: working on it :P Dec 13 14:10:11 BS, PA sux!! Dec 13 14:10:33 sound sux, *sets pc to mute* Dec 13 14:10:39 none of them sux Dec 13 14:10:59 seriously, let's grow up, but first... Dec 13 14:11:05 KDE SUX!!!1! Dec 13 14:11:30 and actually it hasn't any offer that's better than pure ALSA, on their own site http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/AboutPulseAudio#Details, except "playback on a different machine" Dec 13 14:11:53 actually alsa also has rtp support Dec 13 14:12:00 so it could be used for network audio Dec 13 14:12:20 but seriously, both ALSA and PA are awfully complex monsters. Dec 13 14:12:22 while introducing heeluva overhead with all those TCP and whatnot layers Dec 13 14:12:43 * MohammadAG failed to start a gnome vs KDE war Dec 13 14:12:55 MohammadAG: try on #meego, more qt people there Dec 13 14:12:59 MohammadAG: KDE doesn't sux, it is just unusable Dec 13 14:13:03 * MohammadAG opens a "I'm buying an iPhone thread" on tmo Dec 13 14:13:17 * MohammadAG moves the " back one word Dec 13 14:13:19 MohammadAG: there're already many threads like that Dec 13 14:13:28 javispedro, it's still sane in there Dec 13 14:13:38 javispedro: Could please give further details as to how forwarding mic to line out can be done? Dec 13 14:13:43 well, partially Dec 13 14:14:08 ag0ny: where do you want to forward it? You should have some experience with doing it previously or this is just going to be to long to explain Dec 13 14:14:59 NOOOOOOOOOOOoo Dec 13 14:15:16 * javispedro accidentally closes the tab where I was writing a lengthy rebuttal troll post Dec 13 14:15:32 javispedro, ouch Dec 13 14:15:40 * MohammadAG would just rewrite it Dec 13 14:16:07 that's why i never close tabs, and end up with 20+ tabs at shutdown Dec 13 14:16:16 the new post is not going to be the same, not in the mood any longer =( Dec 13 14:16:41 javispedro: I want to forward it to line out Dec 13 14:17:16 ag0ny: use a cable. =). Dec 13 14:17:31 well, speaking seriously, is that a windows machine? Dec 13 14:17:51 hm Dec 13 14:17:51 I have no idea how to do networked audio on windows Dec 13 14:17:57 swapped over to nitdroid Dec 13 14:19:09 Sure, what is your meego.com account? Dec 13 14:19:17 javispedro: No, its nothing network...is only using the n900 as microphone. The hifi-system ist connected via the line out jack Dec 13 14:20:17 X-Fade, mohammad7410, but are you on the right channel? :P Dec 13 14:21:02 ag0ny: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, I totally misunderstood you. Dec 13 14:21:21 MohammadAG: Yeah, I know.. :) Dec 13 14:21:26 MUHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAaaaa OMFG!!! >>The Device Chooser will discover other sound servers running on the LAN by using Zeroconf/Avahi technolgy. Therefore make sure to compile PulseAudio with Avahi support and load the Zeroconf module on all machines on the LAN.<< Dec 13 14:21:32 ag0ny: open a terminal, type "pacat -r | pacat" Dec 13 14:21:41 and enjoy Dec 13 14:21:59 DocScrutinizer: let me guess: you hate both PA and Avahi? Dec 13 14:22:06 YEP! Dec 13 14:22:12 and gnome Dec 13 14:22:24 the network thing is the only useful feature of PA, as far as I can see Dec 13 14:22:31 and gconf... wait, who doesn't hate that? Dec 13 14:22:34 and as far as i can see, it hardly every actually works Dec 13 14:22:43 MohammadAG: gconf rules! Dec 13 14:22:44 MohammadAG: got something working but its' a bit shit. Dec 13 14:22:47 I simply ignore gnome, as far as possible. Alas it always is crossing my way in shape of g* shit Dec 13 14:23:01 DocScrutinizer: is there anything you like =) Dec 13 14:23:02 alterego, define shit :P Dec 13 14:23:12 javispedro, seriously? Dec 13 14:23:15 javispedro, lol Dec 13 14:23:18 yeah! bash for example :-D Dec 13 14:23:33 * MohammadAG waits for a nick change: Dec 13 14:23:34 heh Dec 13 14:23:53 MohammadAG: I tell you want, I'll give you the patch ;) Dec 13 14:23:56 there it is ^ Dec 13 14:24:15 * javispedro jiggles Dec 13 14:24:41 MohammadAG: I think I have a solution though, but I'll have to work on that myself in a bit. Dec 13 14:24:45 Need to have a shower. Dec 13 14:24:59 got a prebuilt binary? Dec 13 14:25:01 oh, k Dec 13 14:25:10 ag0ny: you might need to install pulseaudio-utils, use "rootsh apt-get install pulseaudio-utils" (no need to enable any repository) Dec 13 14:25:48 rootsh has been deprectated Dec 13 14:25:55 ah. Dec 13 14:26:04 so what's it these days? Dec 13 14:26:16 MohammadAG: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/research/mohammediabar/ Dec 13 14:26:17 root for a shell Dec 13 14:26:26 * MohammadAG grumbles Dec 13 14:26:29 :D Dec 13 14:26:40 I'm sorry, I really can't help it ... Dec 13 14:26:48 is that associated with me till I die? Dec 13 14:26:52 ;) Dec 13 14:26:55 * javispedro uses "rootify", which enables "sudo -s" Dec 13 14:27:05 * alterego uses ssh root@localhost Dec 13 14:27:22 * javispedro hits alterego for wasteful use of encryption Dec 13 14:27:25 I've never used rootsh or whatever .. Dec 13 14:27:35 Would you prefer I use telnet? :P Dec 13 14:27:37 alterego, no binary? Dec 13 14:27:59 MohammadAG: look now Dec 13 14:28:00 qmake; make is slow on the N900 :P Dec 13 14:28:01 (refresh Dec 13 14:28:44 Unfortunately can't seem to use QPropertyAnimation, so I had to create my own animation from QTimeLine Dec 13 14:28:55 And to force it to update I need to hide and show. Dec 13 14:29:02 I support update might work actually. Dec 13 14:29:48 Hrm, no, that doesn'#t work ;) Dec 13 14:29:55 side to side would've been nice :P Dec 13 14:30:13 I do however, have an idea, but, like I said I need a shower then I'll try and mock something up ;) Dec 13 14:30:17 Also, the buttons are too big. Dec 13 14:30:21 It makes the icons look crap :P Dec 13 14:31:14 alterego, you seem to like small buttons more :P Dec 13 14:31:55 * alterego has just had an idea Dec 13 14:33:30 You know how android has that swipe down thing for notifications? Dec 13 14:33:43 Why don't we have something like that for this. Dec 13 14:33:59 swipe down from the top on the screen in n900 works badly Dec 13 14:34:03 Do you mind if I steal your idea and work on a mediaplayer control? Dec 13 14:34:10 because of the sensitiviness issues in corners Dec 13 14:34:18 javispedro: sure Dec 13 14:34:25 Worth a try though Dec 13 14:34:44 I tried already, don't remember why though... Dec 13 14:35:03 We could also hook into power button, so as the power menu comes down our widget goes up :) Dec 13 14:35:25 I think systemui eats the power button events.. Dec 13 14:35:37 I wanted to use the powerbutton for preenv. Dec 13 14:35:43 Sure but they're emitted over dbus Dec 13 14:35:48 not sure. Dec 13 14:36:34 yeah button press is on the system bus for the power button Dec 13 14:36:51 I think we already had this conversation.. Dec 13 14:36:57 anyway, I gotta jump in the shower Dec 13 14:37:13 I remember explaining that for some reason there is a d-bus event 2 sec-s after a button press Dec 13 14:37:40 bbiafm Dec 13 14:41:48 * lardman thinks it would be nice to have a contacts app that handles relationships too Dec 13 14:50:05 javispedro: I got pulseaudio-utils installed now Dec 13 14:55:24 ag0ny: type "pacat -r | pacat" and press intro Dec 13 14:55:28 then shout to the n900 Dec 13 14:55:34 (on terminal, of course) Dec 13 14:58:04 Thats basically working, but its not overlay to the mediaplayer? Dec 13 14:58:08 overlaying Dec 13 14:58:20 what do you mean? it mutes the media player? Dec 13 14:58:27 javispedro: pacat? Dec 13 14:58:29 no, it does not Dec 13 14:58:57 javispedro: I don't hear my voice, only the title played by the media player Dec 13 14:59:46 jacekowski: pacat. what? Dec 13 15:00:43 ag0ny: yeah, you're right. hmpf. Dec 13 15:01:03 * javispedro curses Dec 13 15:01:23 you'll need to modify the policy... Dec 13 15:01:41 or use another media player, like mplayer Dec 13 15:02:19 How would I modify the policy? Dec 13 15:04:59 using mplayer would be easier Dec 13 15:05:15 and mplayer is a cmd line application, so you get the idea =) Dec 13 15:09:06 Jaffa, lot of front page content looks nice. Dec 13 15:09:29 GAN900: Long week! Thanks for your help, as ever. Dec 13 15:31:35 The nokia RSS widget restricts post titles to 2 lines. Does anyone know if this can be changed? (I am using it for twitter and it is cutting off the end of tweets). Dec 13 15:37:49 scoobert1on, don't think so. it's quite dead software Dec 13 15:38:24 scoobert1on: I've always wanted to make an RSS widget Dec 13 15:39:09 Sounds like we've all realised too late in the day that we should have replaced all the built-in apps Dec 13 15:39:44 shame Nokia didn't just come out and say that nothing would get fixed so we would have got on with it before the platform was (nearly) EOL Dec 13 15:40:07 yep. Dec 13 15:40:16 lol lardman Dec 13 15:40:27 Hmm, that came out sounding more bitter than I intended, I'm not, I just think it's a shame we're getting cracking now when we could have done it earlier Dec 13 15:40:47 lardman: I completely agree unfortunately. Dec 13 15:40:55 lardman: It's the curse of many open projects. Dec 13 15:41:36 I'm not bothered, but I always assumed that these easy bugs and even cool features would get fixed so it wasn't worth wasting my time doing something that would soon be replaced Dec 13 15:41:50 s/replaced/sorted out Dec 13 15:42:11 lardman: For example - SHR - the current openmoko community project - is in the state that if it was like this 2 years ago - and there is no real fundamental reason it couldn't have been if OM corporate had had a big public list of stuff they're not doing. Dec 13 15:42:11 Crazy, that usb ethernet adapter doesn't need more power?! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IyeSNGCWTA Dec 13 15:42:49 * GAN900 isn't sure he likes being able to smell again. Dec 13 15:43:11 this is why you need to clean even when you have a cold? Dec 13 15:43:14 SpeedEvil: I wouldn't put my finger on wheter having such a list would have changed anything here Dec 13 15:43:21 GAN900, yeah we have been able to smell you for a while now Dec 13 15:43:28 perhaps you should shower more often :P Dec 13 15:43:48 * lardman unplugs his smello-usb add-on Dec 13 15:44:10 javispedro: I dunno. Dec 13 15:44:18 lcuk, yes, but my beard's still better than yours. :P Dec 13 15:44:30 GAN900, sure Dec 13 15:44:49 ok, well failing that, can I get curl or wget anywhere. I have both extra-testing and devel enabled but can't seem to find it anywhere. Dec 13 15:45:25 but both our moustaches pale compared to: http://liqbase.net/meego.movember.motivator.20101117_073.jpg Dec 13 15:45:29 SpeedEvil: Open source needs some driving force to do stuff that people don't like doing - like docs and prettifying Dec 13 15:46:11 lardman: I mean open source in the sense of there is source to typical commercial applications, and vendors would often accept patches. Dec 13 15:46:20 Nothing to do with the licence in this case. Dec 13 15:46:38 sure Dec 13 15:46:59 fixing small things Dec 13 15:47:21 lcuk, well, he doesn't have a beard. Dec 13 15:47:44 Rearchitecting is a different question, and requires much more interaction with the community admittedly. Dec 13 15:48:19 GAN900, he does not need a beard! Dec 13 15:48:25 that 'tash makes up for it Dec 13 15:48:28 lardman: plenty of people like prettifying software, don't they? Dec 13 15:48:36 really? Dec 13 15:48:41 * SpeedEvil ponders. Dec 13 15:48:41 once it works that's it ;) Dec 13 15:48:52 do you mean as in cleaning up code, or as in beautifying interfaces? Dec 13 15:48:58 I could almost do that tash in a couple more weeks with some wax. Dec 13 15:49:00 there is something that should be a level above open source Dec 13 15:49:16 BCMM: Making pretty interfaces Dec 13 15:49:16 its not easy getting into a codebase of even fully open source Dec 13 15:49:20 it should be accessible Dec 13 15:49:21 :) Dec 13 15:49:45 lcuk: but it's easier than having to write the entire app from scratch again Dec 13 15:50:02 lardman: sometimes Dec 13 15:50:03 of course lardman Dec 13 15:50:09 but in maemo world Dec 13 15:50:17 and that's the alternative I mean Dec 13 15:50:23 we had a perfectly valid supreme (according to some) media player already Dec 13 15:50:26 that was open source Dec 13 15:50:32 s/was/is/ Dec 13 15:50:32 lcuk meant: that is open source Dec 13 15:50:36 canola Dec 13 15:50:41 too slow though Dec 13 15:50:48 on n900? Dec 13 15:50:52 Yes, but it's dead and the libs are bitrotting. Dec 13 15:51:03 GAN900, gsoc2010 had people working on it Dec 13 15:51:04 for m5 Dec 13 15:51:04 it was also closed originally iirc Dec 13 15:51:13 and required some large deps Dec 13 15:51:16 over this summer just gone Dec 13 15:51:16 and it does not integrate well with fremantle. Dec 13 15:51:24 it should have come out by now afaik Dec 13 15:51:30 of course Dec 13 15:51:34 but that is just one example Dec 13 15:51:42 lardman: where it is possible to prettify apps without having to understand their internals, plenty of people who maybe don't have the skills to hack the core can enjoy improving the UI Dec 13 15:52:15 BCMM: I'm simply saying that prettifying is a low priority generally, if it happens at all Dec 13 15:52:23 * javispedro admits that he would like the source of the nokia fremantle mediaplayer for laziness+afraid_of_changes reasons Dec 13 15:52:38 lardman: for hackers, yeah Dec 13 15:52:49 it's easier to fix the one bug that would make me dislike the current mediaplayer than change it entirely. Dec 13 15:53:03 javispedro, it does integrate very very well :) Dec 13 15:53:04 same here, laziness, though MohammadAG has produced a nice replacement UI and I'm having a look at the mafw backend which should be pretty simple Dec 13 15:53:05 lardman: i seem to recall much debate over how to put artists that can't code in touch with coders who make ugly stuff Dec 13 15:53:49 BCMM: But the designers need to learn to code as I don't want to have to interpret their instructions and prettify (for example) rather than writing new cool features Dec 13 15:54:02 this changes if it's part of your job, rather than your hobby Dec 13 15:55:11 lardman: but using Mohamediaplayer is a change already (it's Qt for a start). Media player is simple enough that this might not matter, but for the rest... Dec 13 15:55:31 javispedro: I quite agree Dec 13 15:55:50 and equally it's a bit of a waste of time having to write it when a few patches would be enough Dec 13 15:56:06 I know how this movie ends already :) Dec 13 15:56:13 javispedro: Mohammediaplayer :D:D Dec 13 15:57:53 lardman: well, maybe this is one advantage of stuff like Qt that slightly separates the UI design from the coding Dec 13 15:59:11 Any way to make icd2 reload it's configuration? Dec 13 15:59:25 yacc_: IAPs are reloaded every often Dec 13 16:00:02 javispedro, not often enough I fear in my case, I want to rename "Dummy connection" into "USB connection" just before making icd2 connect it. Dec 13 16:00:29 are you sure you can do that? the name comes from the plugin Dec 13 16:01:05 that's another annoyance, why can't the disconnect dialog display the current connection when it displays so you can just click disconnect without needing to wait for the scan to be completed just in case you want to change connection? Dec 13 16:01:19 s/displays/first displays Dec 13 16:01:54 javispedro, you can do that, but I want to rename it only inside ifup usb0 Dec 13 16:02:30 yacc_: I mean that the network type plugin is the one telling the UI the name of the found networks, so maybe it has the name hardcoded. Dec 13 16:02:40 javispedro, no it's not. Dec 13 16:02:52 either way, you don't want to reload icd2 config but the plugin config, which is a different story.. Dec 13 16:02:58 gconftool-2 -s -t string /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/DUMMY/name "Dummy network" <= you can enter any string and it's shown. Dec 13 16:03:03 fortunately the plugin (dummy?) should be open Dec 13 16:03:22 Actually libicd-network-null Dec 13 16:03:42 dummy is made by a nokia employee btw Dec 13 16:03:52 there was also libicd-network-usb, which you might be interetsted in Dec 13 16:04:00 as it is specific to usb0 Dec 13 16:04:13 and will actually set up / tear down usb0 for yo Dec 13 16:04:15 javispedro, well, the libicd-network-usb did not work out that well for me, ... Dec 13 16:04:16 *you Dec 13 16:06:17 well, no idea why it did not work... Dec 13 16:07:01 ah Dec 13 16:07:10 note that icd2 might be caching network results for 30 seconds Dec 13 16:07:14 iirc. Dec 13 16:07:34 I do not think you can prevent that without editing the plugin Dec 13 16:09:56 o.o I just herd meego is dead! Dec 13 16:10:22 luke-jr: wtf? Dec 13 16:10:29 luke-jr: on talk.maemo.org? Dec 13 16:10:35 heard? Dec 13 16:10:37 car accident Dec 13 16:10:48 he couldn't make it Dec 13 16:10:49 I just read there that Nokia is going to use Windows 7! Dec 13 16:10:54 or like Buffalo? Dec 13 16:10:55 oh wait, they already do. Dec 13 16:10:59 #mer Dec 13 16:11:11 wut? Dec 13 16:11:20 TomaszD sed so Dec 13 16:11:36 please link to this information Dec 13 16:11:47 * javispedro jiggles Dec 13 16:12:03 <3 Dec 13 16:12:49 dead men/sw don't speak Dec 13 16:13:07 what's happened to the #mer irc logs? Dec 13 16:13:29 http://tinyurl.com/ngroq8 ? Dec 13 16:13:35 lardman, they're filled with confidential information. Dec 13 16:13:51 GAN900: ? Dec 13 16:13:59 luke-jr: those stop around May this year Dec 13 16:14:06 Wat about teh pizza? Dec 13 16:14:16 GAN900: like moving to Windows you mean ;) Dec 13 16:14:51 lardman, like that. Dec 13 16:15:25 it is indeed dead luke-jr Dec 13 16:15:39 I've heard it from a man on the street Dec 13 16:15:51 * javispedro prepares the rumor machine Dec 13 16:15:51 a man, or /the/ man⁇ Dec 13 16:16:05 and in that case s/street/dark alley Dec 13 16:18:21 javispedro, works, seems like deleting the DUMMY connection and just adding the two entries makes more sense and works better. Dec 13 16:18:30 TomaszD: go on, where did you hear it? Dec 13 16:18:47 on the corner Dec 13 16:18:57 I was walking from work Dec 13 16:19:03 and he told me Dec 13 16:19:21 ok :) Dec 13 16:19:22 Wonder if one might be able to even to have a specific USBnet icon in the status bar. Dec 13 16:19:41 * lardman stops worrying Dec 13 16:19:47 yacc_: you could on Diablo, never tried if it still works in Fremantle. Dec 13 16:20:04 TomaszD, damn hipster Nokians. Dec 13 16:20:05 yacc_: under network_types in gconf you will find "icon" entry Dec 13 16:20:09 javispedro, well for the moment I'll live without it :) Dec 13 16:20:14 javispedro, yeah I noticed. Dec 13 16:20:15 ok :) Dec 13 16:20:25 javispedro, the question is where do these strings point to? Dec 13 16:20:50 yacc_: standard icon name convention Dec 13 16:20:59 Anyway, now I just need to add some really sick addons like starting x11vnc automatically, dimming the display and I'm rather happy. Dec 13 16:21:04 heh Dec 13 16:21:56 * javispedro watches elliot carver appropiately say "there's no news like bad news" Dec 13 16:22:08 Another thing I've noticed, my n900 can be rather slow in picking up GSM/UMTS connections (not the data connection, the complete connection is gone and does not pickup for 10-15 minutes, till I manually switch between Dual/2G/3G in which case it registers with the network rather fast) Dec 13 16:22:10 Any idea? Dec 13 16:30:05 yacc_: I experience it too, espeacially in poorly covered areas Dec 13 16:31:40 yacc_: there are a few metro stations where there should be coverage, but the N900 finds it quite slowly Dec 13 16:36:56 javispedro: also a PA "hater"? then you'll adore this: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/pulse.html - esp some of the lengthy posts way down Dec 13 16:37:32 DocScrutinizer: let's say I dislike it, but not hate. Dec 13 16:37:43 Venemo, well, inside the city limits of Vienna, Austria, actually crossing most of the city during that 15 minutes. Dec 13 16:37:46 btw Lennart admits PA is *adding* latency, compared to pure ALSA (a rather obvious fact) Dec 13 16:38:07 yacc_: mine is not so troublesome Dec 13 16:38:17 and he recommends JACK et al stay away from PA Dec 13 16:38:22 DocScrutinizer: obviously. the question is wheter it adds a measurable amount of latency. because dmix also adds latency. Dec 13 16:38:42 javispedro, the only issue being that A1 has no EGPRS inside big cities, OTOH, these stupid jerks have already enabled LTE, ... Dec 13 16:38:56 yacc_: ETAB ;) Dec 13 16:38:57 'polyp audio' is hilarious Dec 13 16:39:10 javispedro, ETAB? Dec 13 16:39:11 * MohammadAG stabs QtDbus Dec 13 16:39:20 Tab error Dec 13 16:39:25 yacc_: you wanted to say Venemo, don't you? :) Dec 13 16:39:39 javispedro, right ;) Dec 13 16:39:46 yacc_: ouch Dec 13 16:40:33 I liked PulseAudio more back when it was Polypaudio. It was simpler. Dec 13 16:40:37 yacc_: EDGE is quite stable in here Dec 13 16:40:55 I like the core concept. I think a lot of stuff that ALSA tries to do should be done by a userspace daemon Dec 13 16:41:22 Pulseaudio is no longer a userspace daemon though, and is more like a multiuse swiss knife Dec 13 16:41:23 Venemo, yeah, OTOH, since I've got an external charger for my second BL-5J, I can live quite well UMTS/HSDPA, ... Dec 13 16:41:51 OTOH, I've got the impression that the n900 can only very roughly estimate the charge of the battery. Dec 13 16:42:13 yacc_: UMTS, HSPA is also working well when there's coverage. I mostly use dual mode Dec 13 16:42:55 Venemo, well, EDGE would be my favorite, best compromise between battery and bandwidth. Dec 13 16:43:30 UMTS/HSDPA drains the battery under 3 hours in constant use, ... Dec 13 16:43:39 yacc_: yeah. the 2nd best is HSDPA Dec 13 16:44:00 yacc_: yes, it does drain the battery, but EDGE does that too sometimes Dec 13 16:44:31 javispedro: and a lot of stuff that PA does should be done in kernel space Dec 13 16:45:58 PA does three things (aiui): abstraction, policy, and mixing. Dec 13 16:46:11 these should be separate. Dec 13 16:46:33 I might want abstraction but not mixing (for ex. if I have a hwmix card) Dec 13 16:47:53 javispedro: ack Dec 13 16:48:09 not sure I would want to move any of them to the kernel though. Dec 13 16:48:15 abstraction would be the first candidate IMHO. Dec 13 16:48:27 the ALSA API sucks. Dec 13 16:48:47 javispedro: even if you don't, mixing is probably better done in a hw related kernel domain Dec 13 16:48:51 I would kill it will with fire and exporting something more simpler and raw to user space. Dec 13 16:48:56 *export Dec 13 16:49:00 DocScrutinizer: not sure. Dec 13 16:49:10 even Windows does it in user space these days Dec 13 16:50:21 * DocScrutinizer always thought windows does everything in userspace Dec 13 16:50:32 pre-vista windows did mixing in kks Dec 13 16:50:37 s/kks/kernel space Dec 13 16:51:01 windoes has a kernel? (j/k) Dec 13 16:51:25 windows has kernel Dec 13 16:51:35 and lot of stuff is done in kernel space Dec 13 16:51:44 nah, impooooosible Dec 13 16:52:03 must be a new thing, like post-ME Dec 13 16:52:16 indeed. hehe. Dec 13 16:52:32 it's more like post dos Dec 13 16:52:48 that first dos gui already had kernel Dec 13 16:52:54 how was it called Dec 13 16:52:57 windows 1.0 Dec 13 16:53:28 * javispedro notes that if you're non-jokingly asserting that w1.0 had a kernel, the by definition DOS also had one. Dec 13 16:53:42 but first real kernel was in win95 Dec 13 16:53:54 yeah, there's been a process called "kernl16" or sth, child of GUI, which in turn is child of DOS :-P Dec 13 16:54:09 * javispedro notes the same applies to win9x Dec 13 16:55:21 don't mess with me and call an "OS" that's doing cooperative multitasking without any dispatcher a kernel based OS Dec 13 16:55:47 * javispedro would Dec 13 16:55:54 the FreeDOS people do, for ex. Dec 13 16:56:05 well, win9x had proper kernel Dec 13 16:56:13 DocScrutinizer: Windows has no kernel, as the last Windows that I used myself was Windows 95, and that did not have a kernel, ... Dec 13 16:56:25 WTF how did we get here X-D Dec 13 16:56:33 it's a fun topic for CS guys. Dec 13 16:56:44 yacc_: it did Dec 13 16:56:46 =) Dec 13 16:56:51 yacc_: it's called microkernel Dec 13 16:57:03 * javispedro hits jacekowski with a spoon Dec 13 16:57:16 rotfl Dec 13 16:57:24 Ha Dec 13 16:57:25 now THAT'S trolling Dec 13 16:57:41 :-D Dec 13 16:57:42 throw it away it may be seed of a shovel Dec 13 16:57:56 jacekowski, well, DOS was not a microkernel, it did filesystem more or less, and a microkernel proper does messaging and potentially memory management, with the filesystem being normally an "userspace" demon, ... Dec 13 16:58:15 yacc_: well windows 9x did exactly that Dec 13 16:58:26 and pretty much only that Dec 13 16:58:29 memory mamangment Dec 13 16:58:40 and schedluing Dec 13 16:58:48 scheduling* Dec 13 16:58:53 WIN1.0 did NO memory management Dec 13 16:59:09 that's what BSOD was for :-P Dec 13 16:59:10 emm Dec 13 16:59:12 9x Dec 13 16:59:17 not 1.0 Dec 13 16:59:23 winnuke WTF Dec 13 17:04:10 9x memory management? pfft. Dec 13 17:09:30 javispedro: >>Posted by Paul Davis at Tue Apr 8 22:36:03 2008 >>Posted by Lennart at Tue Apr 8 23:01:23 2008 Dec 13 17:10:22 DocScrutinizer: hey, I too sometimes smash F5 waiting for replies to my trolling Dec 13 17:10:39 Warning: ur device has rebooted unexpectedly. Custom Kernel settings have not been loaded Dec 13 17:10:53 javispedro: eh? :-D Dec 13 17:10:53 why wud this have happened?.. Dec 13 17:11:12 DocScrutinizer: thought you were remarking the swift response on Lennart's part? Dec 13 17:11:53 btw I love the recent quoted bug on tmo: "Chess is too hard for casual players". Resolution: WONTFIX: ""Reporter should Dec 13 17:11:53 learn how to play chess better if he's not able to win the easy level." Dec 13 17:12:03 nah, just giving searchstring pointers to the relevant posts regarding why PA sucks e.g for twinkle, why it's been flawed since beginning and still is Dec 13 17:12:24 "easy" is brutal. Dec 13 17:12:35 That bug cracked me up when it was closed. Dec 13 17:12:50 haha Dec 13 17:13:10 Maka: bcos U doing OC? Dec 13 17:13:19 on the Palm chess game I used to play I remember there was a difficulty setting where the AI would be fed garbage =) Dec 13 17:13:27 nope.. Dec 13 17:13:37 OC makz thinks supr fast Dec 13 17:13:49 OC was done a long back but i reverted back to the stock settings.. Dec 13 17:13:52 Maka, because something crashed and caused a reboot. Dec 13 17:14:19 Kernel-power sees the reboot and doesn't load custom settings in case they were the cause. Dec 13 17:14:29 And my device is not as fast as i see in videos of n900.. Dec 13 17:14:42 i shud learn a lot more to keep it fast.. Dec 13 17:15:17 oh ok thank you Doc and GAN900 :) Dec 13 17:16:16 Maka: use htop and powertop to find out about things slowing down your CPU, or eating up your battery Dec 13 17:16:20 DocScrutinizer: ah, read that stuff. Dec 13 17:16:31 Maka: avoiding apps that do will keep your device fast Dec 13 17:16:52 Am using Htop but am not damn sure about things it show.. Dec 13 17:16:53 DocScrutinizer: that's why I suggest ALSA should be a simpler thing. different users different needs, and ALSA shouldn't try to catter them all. let user space daemons decide Dec 13 17:17:15 s/catter/cater (...) Dec 13 17:17:15 Is there any guide to Htop and powertop? Dec 13 17:17:20 Maka: it should show <200 processes and a cpu load <10% usually Dec 13 17:17:24 Maka: emm, guide? Dec 13 17:17:30 like wiki pages? Dec 13 17:17:33 Maka: emmm Dec 13 17:17:43 Maka: it shows you cpu and memory usage Dec 13 17:17:55 jacekowski: don't shout at him, it's been me who sugested to use those system tools Dec 13 17:18:15 LOL :) Dec 13 17:18:26 guys,u both are my Gurus now :) Dec 13 17:18:31 I'M NOT SHOUTING Dec 13 17:18:58 Maka: moment please Dec 13 17:19:11 Ya okay lad :) Dec 13 17:19:55 http://linux.die.net/man/5/proc Dec 13 17:19:57 here Dec 13 17:20:03 all abbreviations are explained Dec 13 17:20:05 and other stuff Dec 13 17:20:20 Maka: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management#Powertop http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption Dec 13 17:20:22 thanks a lot Jacekowski :) Dec 13 17:20:36 Thanks a lot DOc :) Dec 13 17:20:47 and here is my main prob.. Dec 13 17:20:52 even now i face it.. Dec 13 17:20:54 you can't read? Dec 13 17:21:04 "lad" smth like "pal" but more femalish? Dec 13 17:21:06 some of the icons suddenly disappear from my desktops.. Dec 13 17:21:08 why is it? Dec 13 17:21:48 DocScrutinizer: it's unfortunate also that OSSv4 is mostly dying (no hw support) Dec 13 17:21:59 @slopotamus:sounds so?? Dec 13 17:22:50 slonopotamus, more Irish. Dec 13 17:23:23 Maka: vanishing desktop icons (widgets?) are probably caused by one of them aborting on startup Dec 13 17:23:31 http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lad Dec 13 17:23:44 ~dict lad Dec 13 17:23:48 Dictionary 'lad' (1 of 5): \Lad\ (l[a^]d), n. [OE. ladde, of Celtic origin; cf. W. llawd, Ir. lath. [root]123. Cf. {Lass}.] 1. A boy; a youth; a stripling. "Cupid is a knavish lad." --Shak. [1913 Webster] There is a lad here, which hath five barley loaves and two small fishes. --John vi. 9. [1913 Webster] 2. A companion; a comrade; a mate. [1913 Webster] {Lad's love}. (Bot.) See {Boy's love}, under {Boy}. [1913 Webster]. Dec 13 17:24:26 ~dict scrutinizer Dec 13 17:24:29 Dictionary 'scrutinizer' (2): \Scru"ti*ni`zer\, n. One who scrutinizes. [1913 Webster] ;; a careful examiner; someone who inspects with great care . Dec 13 17:24:33 just checking :P Dec 13 17:24:37 evening alls :) Dec 13 17:27:03 javispedro: maybe the mass deployment of PA actually does something good regarding establishing one *standard* for unix audio interfaces. Alas I have a hard time believing in my own words here Dec 13 17:27:52 javispedro: see the extremely long post on that blog, by some zachary(?) dude Dec 13 17:27:53 DocScrutinizer: it's happening already, see embedded space. Dec 13 17:28:00 yeah Dec 13 17:28:09 DocScrutinizer: it will Dec 13 17:28:23 DocScrutinizer: i mean, PA will spread, everybody will start using it Dec 13 17:28:30 the question is why does lennart say that people should not use PA api Dec 13 17:28:32 directly. Dec 13 17:28:34 and then some moron will come up with idea that PA i bad Dec 13 17:28:41 and it should be done in some other way Dec 13 17:29:01 and probably he's right on it :-P Dec 13 17:29:03 nothing new Dec 13 17:29:14 oss -> alsa -> PA Dec 13 17:29:22 yeah Dec 13 17:30:13 hmmm meego has decided it is not touch screen anymore :P lol Dec 13 17:30:18 but while ALSA targeted some evident flaws of OSS, PA simply is done because "ALSA sucks" Dec 13 17:30:47 not really doing anything any better than ALSA, not even docs Dec 13 17:30:49 well, only real flaw in alsa is lack of properly done mixin Dec 13 17:30:50 g Dec 13 17:31:03 jacekowski: and horribly complex userspace API. Dec 13 17:31:11 seriously, 4 layers of abstraction for setting a simple mixer? Dec 13 17:31:26 almost like PA Dec 13 17:31:34 lol, exactly Dec 13 17:31:35 jacekowski: PA actually hides them from you Dec 13 17:31:42 open source: because you can never have too much abstraction Dec 13 17:31:44 \o/ Dec 13 17:32:15 jacekowski: and does useful things for them, like allowing you to set "Digital Out" profile and the like Dec 13 17:32:23 s/for them/with them Dec 13 17:32:24 haha Dec 13 17:33:07 yeah, scroll back to see how easy that is, for a fsckng silly simple mixing of mic with mediaplayer output :-P Dec 13 17:33:23 DocScrutinizer: please note that is what Nokia wanted. Dec 13 17:34:03 so, in a sense, PulseAudio allowed them to do weird things like that. *shudder* Dec 13 17:34:03 which should make us boggle Dec 13 17:34:21 that's why I was saying the policy part should be separate... Dec 13 17:34:22 :-D Dec 13 17:35:04 ok, moo aall Dec 13 17:35:08 * RST38h is kinda back Dec 13 17:35:11 killall audiopolicyd Dec 13 17:35:17 moo RST38h Dec 13 17:35:18 DocScrutinizer: why not just bare alsa? Dec 13 17:35:19 * DocScrutinizer is kinda gone Dec 13 17:35:39 slonopotamus: I'm all for that Dec 13 17:36:02 PA is mere useless, esp for embedded Dec 13 17:36:31 i just don't see what value it adds Dec 13 17:36:38 none Dec 13 17:36:38 slonopotamus: no mixing Dec 13 17:36:47 that's only reason why bare alsa would have problems Dec 13 17:36:52 remember my previous argument: three parts: policy, mixing, and abstraction. Dec 13 17:37:01 that's what pulseaudio "gives". Dec 13 17:37:04 or tries to give... Dec 13 17:37:05 WTF? dmix worked fine for me ever since I did a proper config for it Dec 13 17:37:08 slono: It lets another open source developer to design his own ultimate audio framework Dec 13 17:37:13 jacekowski: mixing of what? Dec 13 17:37:21 microphone Dec 13 17:37:29 javis: I told you before, multiple open()s of /dev/dsp will give you just that Dec 13 17:37:32 dmix can only do output Dec 13 17:37:51 javis: And yes, theoretically you can make them sockets and mix in user space Dec 13 17:37:55 and dsnoop is fubar Dec 13 17:38:00 RST38h: that's "mixing" part, and it wouldn't on a n900 for ex. Dec 13 17:38:07 (so, still other two parts to go) Dec 13 17:38:10 javis: Why? Dec 13 17:38:14 RST38h: no hw mix Dec 13 17:38:14 And what other two parts? Dec 13 17:38:20 policy & abstraction Dec 13 17:38:25 javis: Oh,you can do sw mix with dev/dsp Dec 13 17:38:31 in kernel Dec 13 17:38:31 jacekowski: proof it! what's wrong with dsnoop? Dec 13 17:38:31 RST38h: where Dec 13 17:38:34 jacekowski: i have skype working on gentoo desktop with only alsa (no PA, no ESD). what i am doing wrong? Dec 13 17:38:34 javis: and policy too Dec 13 17:38:35 javispedro: you can't Dec 13 17:38:40 jacekowski: ossv4 Dec 13 17:38:42 DocScrutinizer: i never managed to get it working Dec 13 17:38:59 javispedro: well, ossv4 breaks kernel policy of not using floats in kernel Dec 13 17:39:12 javis: As I said, make /dev/dsp* nodes sockets. Let a userspace program handle data from them, mix it, stream to the main /dev/dsp (let us say one without a number) Dec 13 17:39:15 jacekowski: I agree. Dec 13 17:39:24 it worked on my desktop for, like, 4 years Dec 13 17:39:31 without any problem Dec 13 17:39:33 javis: Let the same userspace agent do policies Dec 13 17:39:52 RST38h: and you get pulseaudio, but done right =) Dec 13 17:40:04 which is exactly what I want, a simpler thing. Dec 13 17:40:09 javis: Well, isn't this what we all want? Dec 13 17:40:23 not ALSA! Dec 13 17:40:27 * slonopotamus wonders why n900 has 1.5x more processes running than his desktop Dec 13 17:40:28 javis: And if you do get hw mixing, you replace those extra dev/dsp*s with hw nodes Dec 13 17:40:40 javis: for as many hw channels as supported Dec 13 17:40:51 WHAT??? audio processing using floats? Dec 13 17:40:58 Yes, Doc. Dec 13 17:41:05 what a friggin idiot did that ? Dec 13 17:41:06 There are smart people like that Dec 13 17:41:17 And there are people using floats in video decoding too Dec 13 17:41:25 And audio decoding. They are Ogg people. Dec 13 17:42:33 BTW, I suspect that mixing audio in the kernel is no longer that much of a problem Dec 13 17:42:47 Given the throughput needed and the current CPUs performance Dec 13 17:42:49 all that I want is a simpler daemon, with a public simplePA-like or OSS-like API. With the three tasks PA does now clearly separated. Dec 13 17:43:08 Just say it: you hate PA and do not want PA Dec 13 17:43:18 and get ALSA as out of the picture as possible. Linux-only thing, complex beast. Dec 13 17:43:25 Same for ALSA Dec 13 17:43:34 And anything else designed by a megalomaniac Dec 13 17:43:58 what the hell are you talking about? Dec 13 17:43:59 skype does work with bare alsa. what else do you need from audio? Dec 13 17:43:59 and i bet many other softphones do too. Dec 13 17:44:12 * javispedro runs out of keyboard batteries =) Dec 13 17:44:26 nokia wanted policies to manage different app behavior for audio Dec 13 17:44:37 you can look at the PA config to see how much is going on Dec 13 17:44:58 you can do policies without PA Dec 13 17:45:11 and get it out the door on time? Dec 13 17:45:15 Yes Dec 13 17:45:20 k Dec 13 17:45:32 Want me to tell you how this can be done, with /dev/dsp API, in 1-2 days? Dec 13 17:45:43 i miss /dev/dsp Dec 13 17:46:09 1. Implement ioctl() that passes policy ID (a enum) to the driver (or userspace agent) Dec 13 17:46:19 do a ps, grep for ped X-P Dec 13 17:46:40 2. Make the agent use these IDs when mixing Dec 13 17:47:07 [NOTE: Never ever refuse or block open() on the daudio device, if you need to mute a client, simply ignore its data) Dec 13 17:47:19 that sounds totally right Dec 13 17:47:35 Until ioctl() with policy ID passed, assume lowest priority Dec 13 17:48:09 i respect the audio opinions of emu devs a lot Dec 13 17:48:14 RST38h: sounds like one of my statements of 3 years ago :-D Dec 13 17:48:21 Again, with only one hw audio channel, make /dev/dsp actual device node, make /dev/dsp* sockets to the userpsace mixer Dec 13 17:48:29 yes! Dec 13 17:48:49 With /dev/dsp being permanently open by the mixer Dec 13 17:48:57 note to world: meego does not have to copy ubuntu Dec 13 17:49:07 i love it RST38h :) :) Dec 13 17:49:08 it has to copy redhat instead? :) Dec 13 17:49:39 RST38h: now what about managing different audio outputs? BT / Headphone / Speaker Dec 13 17:51:23 that's one of the three PA parts: abstraction Dec 13 17:51:32 IMHO that's the one that should be moved to the kernel, if any. Dec 13 17:51:48 pupnik: main /dev/dsp API Dec 13 17:52:14 pupnik: actually, it has been done already with /dev/mixer Dec 13 17:52:18 Just keep that API Dec 13 17:53:03 If these are separate outputs (and not just a mux from the same output), keep them as separate /dev/dsps Dec 13 17:53:20 In this case, userspace agent handles switching Dec 13 17:53:29 by renaming nodes? Dec 13 17:53:30 Probably using the same /dev/mixer API Dec 13 17:53:34 oh ok Dec 13 17:53:44 Absolutely no need to invent newcrap Dec 13 17:54:12 There is already enough audio-related crap invented in Linux to burn its authors in their own printouts, a few times Dec 13 17:54:46 the only issue I can see is that seemingly ALSA makes kernel drivers "easier". But kill the damn user space API and make it a stupid oss-like device. Dec 13 17:55:02 ALSA makes nothing easier Dec 13 17:55:24 ALSA is made by another bunch of people who thought they could address EVERY possible need, and do it "easier" than OSS Dec 13 17:55:35 (with predictable results) Dec 13 17:55:58 ALSA is not event fully implemented anywhere outside x86 (and probably SoundBlaster :)) Dec 13 17:57:39 BTW http://www.oreilly.de/catalog/multilinux/excerpt/ch14-07.htm Dec 13 17:58:16 Perfectly sensible API, no idea why all these people went off and built their own sand castles Dec 13 17:58:48 ALSA makes me think of the quote from 9 "we had such promise" Dec 13 17:58:53 I remember when ALSA started Dec 13 18:00:15 How is it *nix audio always sucks so much. Dec 13 18:00:43 now move this discussion to #meego and watch an entirely different outcome =) Dec 13 18:01:12 * MohammadAG gets popcorn Dec 13 18:03:04 javispedro: You will be told to use Qt for audio Dec 13 18:03:14 And not worry about anything else Dec 13 18:04:04 RST38h, let's try that! Dec 13 18:05:59 it's like this was made by web-developers Dec 13 18:06:45 I tried upgrading my n900 to pr1.3; ran into various issues, and used apt-get to resolve them. Dec 13 18:06:56 It has now updated a whole slew of packages, but about still mentions the version of pr 1.2, not of 1.3 Dec 13 18:07:19 i believe that's just an oversight Dec 13 18:07:21 my app manager doesn't list maemo5 as an update anymore. Is there a specific pkg that should be installed that I can check for to say 'this is 1.3' ? Dec 13 18:07:42 the sources.list.d still only mentions 1.2 too, btw Dec 13 18:08:17 the kernel was built Aug 6, which would put it after PR1.2 Dec 13 18:10:12 pupnik: you mean they forgot to update the about box ? Dec 13 18:10:34 thomasvs: i think so, not sure Dec 13 18:10:43 pupnik: hm... what does yours say then ? Dec 13 18:11:10 don't have a device to help you with Dec 13 18:11:28 but i'm pretty sure talk.maemo.org has something about pr1.3 Dec 13 18:17:13 RST38h: alas not all mixers follow that simple scheme not shown in that nonexistent graphic over there Dec 13 18:18:04 RST38h: check WM8753 as used in Freerunner, for example. You're massively lost if you try to tackle that critter with your simplified mixer concept Dec 13 18:18:51 AIC34 in N900 is not any much better Dec 13 18:19:29 Doc: Well, as you have got a software layer for mixing anyway, you can make an approximation Dec 13 18:19:38 In fact, that is what PA is doing at the moment Dec 13 18:19:52 AIC is worse in many ways. Dec 13 18:20:02 How do you model arbitrary filters in sw Dec 13 18:21:09 http://focus.tij.co.jp/jp/lit/ml/slyt275/slyt275.pdf ? Dec 13 18:22:31 I think you'll eventually need a array of mixer controls Dec 13 18:22:44 aka the first of the four layers of alsa controls ;) Dec 13 18:24:05 RST38h: eeeh what? aproximation? for things like sidetone, or digital filter register settings? Dec 13 18:24:25 Eh? Dec 13 18:26:59 what's the aproximation of micbias switch? Dec 13 18:28:01 of micboost+20dBm? Dec 13 18:29:24 I'd point you to some nice papers/docs and ask how you handle that - if only wiki.om wasn't down right ATM Dec 13 18:30:26 as I was saying, by an extra set of mixer controls Dec 13 18:30:33 Dec 13 18:30:57 yeah, sure, but not in the way suggested in http://www.oreilly.de/catalog/multilinux/excerpt/ch14-07.htm Dec 13 18:31:10 what is nice about that is that it is unified Dec 13 18:31:15 * alterego sighs Dec 13 18:31:33 who knows about QMaemo5InformationBox::information () ? Dec 13 18:31:34 ALSA went entirely for the way, and you get the issue that user space can't even GUESS what the master volume control is. Dec 13 18:31:57 yo Dec 13 18:32:32 that's why you need a second abstraction layer Dec 13 18:32:47 * javispedro twitches Dec 13 18:33:19 but you need one like what pulseaudio does (put the card in "digital profile", "phone mode", etc.), not the useless alsa ones Dec 13 18:33:45 do ps|grep ped Dec 13 18:34:32 * javispedro twitches again Dec 13 18:34:36 that's not paped ! Dec 13 18:35:29 seems that I still have a lot to learn about how the nokia policy thing works Dec 13 18:35:45 and we had that concept since ages on OM, called alsa scenarios Dec 13 18:35:45 are there any "share via service" plugins that use something like omploader? Dec 13 18:36:01 also, my USB cable has arrived from Hong Kong! Dec 13 18:36:05 * BCMM runs in circles Dec 13 18:36:11 (hostmode cable) Dec 13 18:36:14 DocScrutinizer: ah, the profiles thing was introduced in newer PA versions Dec 13 18:38:13 profiles/scenarios have a massive shortcoming: you can't usually modify them on the fly (see scrollback for the mic mixin issue) Dec 13 18:39:33 I developed a concept of merging several scenarios, where for each control it's decided if there's a compatible setting meeting both requests Dec 13 18:40:33 if the scenarios conflict, the one with higher priority is set, and the other audio path is muted Dec 13 18:40:43 and the app signalled about that fact Dec 13 18:41:07 and the best thing of it: it's completely ALSA :-D Dec 13 18:41:33 plus extensions of course Dec 13 18:42:08 but those extensions are transparent to all apps using alsa audio Dec 13 18:42:10 I don't see much of a reason to rely on anything other than alsa itself Dec 13 18:42:16 besides alsa being a mess Dec 13 18:42:23 alterego, http://i53.tinypic.com/24vpnj4.jpg (is that small enough?) Dec 13 18:42:27 cya Dec 13 18:42:46 * Choom still misses the simplicity of OSS Dec 13 18:42:53 MohammadAG: yeah :P Dec 13 18:43:07 I think the buttons would be better vertical and to the right. Dec 13 18:43:12 But that should be configurable ;) Dec 13 18:44:57 alterego, I was thinking of a slide from the right transition, and hence their location ;) Dec 13 18:46:20 pfft Dec 13 18:46:25 You can still slide from the right Dec 13 18:46:30 To the right hand side :P Dec 13 18:47:06 lol Dec 13 18:51:44 X-Fade: you about? Dec 13 18:54:10 or does anyone else know how I link my email to a bugs.maemo.org product? Dec 13 18:54:19 ? Dec 13 18:54:24 e.g. *@mbarcode.garage.org Dec 13 18:54:32 e.g. *@mbarcode.garage.bugs Dec 13 18:54:35 even Dec 13 18:54:46 oh, no idea, :| Dec 13 18:55:10 I remember setting up the list, but must have forgotten to set my email to receive the reports Dec 13 18:55:15 s/list/tracker Dec 13 19:13:42 Things to be thankful for in 2010: the *nixes (android, ios) beat microsoft in the mobiles market. now the world uses unix :) sort of, at least Dec 13 19:14:52 Tamoggemon Software, based in Germany, has written a book which "takes C++ programmers and transforms them into lean and mean Symbian coding machines". Dec 13 19:15:23 As I said, AllAboutSymbian is getting really desperate lately Dec 13 19:16:09 oh, Tamoggemon Dec 13 19:16:12 I remember them Dec 13 19:16:18 Palm guys Dec 13 19:16:38 I wrote on their blog in their first days iirc :) Dec 13 19:18:45 as long as there are symbian phones there will be a market Dec 13 19:18:54 I hate it when someone converts "I'm not willing to implement this feature but I will help you do it" to "I will guide you through opening the development environment, find the letter i on the keyboard, find the letter n on the keyboard ... now type int main() { ... " Dec 13 19:19:22 ew Dec 13 19:19:24 stop asking dammit. Dec 13 19:20:09 cnn.com crashed Dec 13 19:20:25 dns issue here Dec 13 19:20:33 yea Dec 13 19:20:39 same Dec 13 19:21:07 any way to import iCal etc into the calendar? Dec 13 19:22:50 RST38h: http://157.166.224.26/ Dec 13 19:23:07 ah you got the address! =) Dec 13 19:23:14 thank pdnsd :) Dec 13 19:24:24 javispedro: hehe Dec 13 19:25:18 is CIA messing up DNS, to kill wikileaks? Dec 13 19:27:48 anyone know if the Qt apis work with the calendar? Dec 13 19:28:28 lardman: I believe so Dec 13 19:28:33 you mean mobility? Dec 13 19:28:45 yep Dec 13 19:29:44 It should, I do not know if it's stable. Dec 13 19:29:52 hmm, I don't see where it is in mobility though...? Dec 13 19:29:59 Organizer Dec 13 19:30:16 http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1.0/organizer.html Dec 13 19:30:22 ah good stuff Dec 13 19:30:38 Google still links to the old stuff Dec 13 19:31:55 has Qt got any more sane calendar widget than that idiocy found in e.g. maemo contacts, settings, etc? Dec 13 19:32:10 more something like zenity has? Dec 13 19:32:23 lardman, https://bugs.maemo.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email and add those to the watch list at the bottom Dec 13 19:34:42 btw who's maintaining zenity? the calendar has a flaw Dec 13 19:34:53 or more like a bug Dec 13 19:35:49 qwerty12 afaik Dec 13 19:36:07 :-/ Dec 13 19:36:14 MohammadAG: could you... ? Dec 13 19:36:24 sp3000: thanks Dec 13 19:36:35 DocScrutinizer, what's the bug? Dec 13 19:36:43 * alterego is building the latest daily meego handset image for the N900 Dec 13 19:36:47 do a zenity --calendar Dec 13 19:36:51 Might actually get some work done today afterall .. Dec 13 19:36:58 try to change to anothe month Dec 13 19:37:17 alterego: did you succeed in building a recent version of mtf? Dec 13 19:37:37 it works if you grab&swipe on an empty spot Dec 13 19:37:45 sp3000: hmm, actually I don't think that's what I need Dec 13 19:38:05 but alas there are monts that have no empty spot either at start of month or at end Dec 13 19:39:24 so you can't get to Oct 2010, from a zenity --calendar Dec 13 19:39:26 javispedro: yes, eventually. Dec 13 19:39:26 javispedro: well, I built it from git in scratchbox, then I noticed they have their own packaging structure so I tried with dpkg and it failed because of a few build deps that aren't available. Dec 13 19:39:29 Some subscriber framework and an out of date package, can't remember off hand what that is. Dec 13 19:39:39 DocScrutinizer, looks like a hildon+gtk bug to me Dec 13 19:40:12 and you cant get to August 2011 Dec 13 19:40:13 try GTK2_RC_FILES=/ zenity --calendar Dec 13 19:40:14 alterego: aha, so only deps problems Dec 13 19:40:17 you'll see what I mean Dec 13 19:40:31 sp3000: I want to automatically receive all mbarcode bugs Dec 13 19:40:57 DUH! Dec 13 19:40:59 javispedro: yeah. Dec 13 19:41:06 javispedro: well, and some source changes. Dec 13 19:41:11 lardman, that'll do it, no? Dec 13 19:41:13 Missing newlines at the ends of some files. Dec 13 19:41:18 Nothing major. Dec 13 19:41:19 ah, I remember that Dec 13 19:42:03 sp3000: looks like it just allows me to specify what I want to receive once I'm added to a bug, my issue is that the *@mbarcode.maemo.bugs default email doesn't go to me Dec 13 19:42:25 lardman, the input at the bottom Dec 13 19:42:38 MohammadAG: well, this GTK"_RC thing has a left/right rotary for month and year, but the swiping up/down is similarly borked Dec 13 19:42:54 under "User Watching" Dec 13 19:43:39 so you want to watch the @mbarcode.maemo.bugs pseudo-users Dec 13 19:43:59 but I am one of those pseudo-users and am not receiving email Dec 13 19:44:45 oh, I didn't know it was possible to be one Dec 13 19:44:53 I don't see to be able to put in an email address there Dec 13 19:45:02 it days not recognised, I think it's looking for a username Dec 13 19:45:38 sp3000: well at least I presume I should be, should receive email that is sent to any of those mbarcode.maemo.bugs addresses Dec 13 19:45:49 hm, I would expect it to take mail (bugzilla doesn't know about other kinds of usernames, the realname is just other text) Dec 13 19:46:17 in which case those addresses aren't real users apparently Dec 13 19:46:23 I presumed the pseudo-users would not be receiving mail themselves, just watchers Dec 13 19:46:24 or even pseudo ones Dec 13 19:46:54 I'll ask X-Fade tomorrow, I've no clue how it's supposed to work I must admit Dec 13 19:47:00 thanks for trying though :) Dec 13 19:47:11 MohammadAG: ohh, actually the plain one (w/o GTK2_RC_FILES=/ ) also has the rotary function, only you don't see the arrows, and the hot area is incredibly small, and for me also quite a bit offset Dec 13 19:47:27 lardman, timeless_mbp might reappear later, he should understand it too Dec 13 19:47:51 DocScrutinizer, yep Dec 13 19:48:41 sp3000: cool, thanks Dec 13 19:48:54 well I gather it's more a question of a proper GTK theme then, first instance? Dec 13 19:49:15 DocScrutinizer, yep Dec 13 19:49:22 you can use any theme you want Dec 13 19:49:26 though that swiping bug is really annoying Dec 13 19:49:38 I found this btw, http://qtnode.net/wiki/Custom_widgets Dec 13 19:51:09 pff, in fact that's not swiping at all, just another button hot-area where there are no date digits in calendar for that month Dec 13 19:55:34 i was wondering, how is SAW technology coming along Dec 13 19:55:40 is it anywhere close to be usable? Dec 13 19:56:36 wow, dns is really screwed Dec 13 19:58:56 any git experts here? Dec 13 19:59:28 do you really need an expert or will a noob suffice? Dec 13 19:59:46 noob will suffice I suppose, probably than me :P Dec 13 20:00:00 I added Venemo as a collaborator Dec 13 20:00:11 but I can't figure out how to let him push the changes Dec 13 20:00:20 he made the commit Dec 13 20:00:26 I can't push Dec 13 20:00:28 it's a gitorious issue then Dec 13 20:00:38 Venemo: error message? Dec 13 20:00:43 nah, seems like a me-being-a-git-noob issue Dec 13 20:00:50 push url is read only Dec 13 20:01:01 interesting Dec 13 20:01:02 git itself has no concept of users or permissions Dec 13 20:01:11 shouldn't git clone copy the correct URL? Dec 13 20:01:17 or does he have to set it Dec 13 20:01:37 you might have cloned frm the read only URL? Dec 13 20:01:43 if you cloned from it, it will by default try to push to it Dec 13 20:02:03 how can he change it? Dec 13 20:02:20 git config remote.origin.url=newurl Dec 13 20:02:31 javispedro: http://fpaste.org/ONdh/ Dec 13 20:02:31 "git config --get remote.origin.url" to get it Dec 13 20:02:57 Venemo: yeah, confirming: you should have cloned from the ssh:// url Dec 13 20:03:02 javispedro: and http://fpaste.org/Hiti/ Dec 13 20:03:13 git config remote.origin.url=git@gitorious.org:mediabar/mediabar.git then? Dec 13 20:03:18 javispedro: why isn't the git:// working? eh. Dec 13 20:03:33 MohammadAG: yep Dec 13 20:03:44 Venemo: I think the only one that works is ssh one :S Dec 13 20:03:52 guess there is no way to authenticate thru git:// Dec 13 20:03:58 eh. Dec 13 20:04:01 Venemo, git config remote.origin.url=git@gitorious.org:mediabar/mediabar.git Dec 13 20:04:02 so what should I do? Dec 13 20:04:26 MohammadAG: ok, did it Dec 13 20:04:38 git push origin master Dec 13 20:04:47 now try pushing, and wait for the inevitable error message (you need to setup ssh keys, etc.) Dec 13 20:04:51 you have your ssh key there right? Dec 13 20:05:03 heh Dec 13 20:05:05 try pushing first Dec 13 20:05:16 javispedro, MohammadAG: still this error message http://fpaste.org/ONdh/ Dec 13 20:05:28 oh Dec 13 20:05:48 Venemo: paste output of "git config -l", remove your email address from it if you want Dec 13 20:06:12 javispedro: http://fpaste.org/bb0w/ Dec 13 20:06:28 javispedro: my e-mail address is not in there Dec 13 20:07:12 aw sorry Dec 13 20:07:21 can't he just sed the config file? Dec 13 20:07:21 git config remote.origin.url git@gitorious.org:mediabar/mediabar.git Dec 13 20:07:30 syntax doesn't have = sign. Dec 13 20:08:17 Venemo: "git config remote.origin.url git@gitorious.org:mediabar/mediabar.git" then retry pushing Dec 13 20:08:18 quimgil Dec 13 20:08:19 All I have to say about the Nokia strategy is that I like it. And now, with your permission I'm going to do my stuff. Dec 13 20:08:21 new error: http://fpaste.org/hRIL/ Dec 13 20:08:21 LOLOLOLOLOLOL Dec 13 20:08:34 ZogG: lol indeed Dec 13 20:08:51 Venemo you didn't see how he tried to layer me =) Dec 13 20:09:25 ZogG: I thought you're saying LOL to my link :P Dec 13 20:09:26 i asked why they advise to developers not to develop for maemo5 Dec 13 20:09:38 and he said something about meego and maemo and symbian Dec 13 20:09:57 Venemo i was talking about quimgil Dec 13 20:10:19 Venemo, add your public key Dec 13 20:10:38 MohammadAG good work pal btw Dec 13 20:10:43 MohammadAG: how do I do that? Dec 13 20:10:51 wanted to say you several times, didn't have a chance Dec 13 20:11:22 Venemo why do you use fedora paste? =) Dec 13 20:11:27 got your dashboard, edit ssh keys, and add yours Dec 13 20:11:31 ZogG, thanks :) Dec 13 20:11:42 ZogG: two reasons. 1) MohammadAG told pastebin is down 2) I use Fedora :P Dec 13 20:11:46 nope, thank you Dec 13 20:11:54 ZogG: and | fpaste works sometimes :) Dec 13 20:12:11 cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub to get your key Dec 13 20:12:12 Venemo 1) pastie.org and thousands others, 2) are you srs? Dec 13 20:12:35 MohammadAG: cat: /home/Timur/.ssh/id_rsa.pub: No such file or directory Dec 13 20:12:43 ssh-keygen -t rsa Dec 13 20:12:45 ZogG: I am srs. Why? Dec 13 20:12:49 Venemo creat a key than Dec 13 20:13:16 Venemo fedora? if so than ubuntu Dec 13 20:13:44 * MohammadAG wants a darker Ubuntu theme Dec 13 20:13:57 MohammadAG there a lot Dec 13 20:13:57 ZogG: I use Fedora, what's the problem with that? Dec 13 20:14:12 ZogG, same as stock? Dec 13 20:14:23 Venemo, generated a key? Dec 13 20:14:50 MohammadAG: yes, I did Dec 13 20:15:21 MohammadAG you want 1 as stock but darker or dark theme? Dec 13 20:15:41 now I made an SSH key and I uploaded it to Gitorious Dec 13 20:16:02 ha! Dec 13 20:16:05 commit succeded! :) Dec 13 20:16:09 or push Dec 13 20:16:12 whatever Dec 13 20:17:14 http://gitorious.org/mediabar/mediabar Dec 13 20:17:16 it works :) Dec 13 20:17:27 why don't I see my commit on Gitorious? Dec 13 20:17:34 well I do ... Dec 13 20:17:40 refresh, or just wait. Dec 13 20:17:40 oh, I see it now too Dec 13 20:18:28 MohammadAG: does it work? Dec 13 20:19:31 javispedro, how do I sync changes? Dec 13 20:19:37 MohammadAG: git pull Dec 13 20:19:39 git pull? Dec 13 20:19:39 javispedro: thank you very-very-VERY much for your help :) Dec 13 20:19:47 javispedro: Git hates me :( Dec 13 20:20:04 Venemo: just hope it doesn't break in the near future =) Dec 13 20:20:54 heh, failed Dec 13 20:21:21 well then just backup your changes, delete the directory, then clone again Dec 13 20:21:38 hah Dec 13 20:21:45 failed due to what? local changes? Dec 13 20:22:49 bah, I've spent the entire afternoon on hold here just in case I got called from work and nothing happened. Dec 13 20:22:56 * javispedro curses Dec 13 20:23:11 nvm, fixed it Dec 13 20:23:23 so MohammadAG, does the stuff work for you? Dec 13 20:24:36 yes, just doing minor changes, you got rid of the timeout :) Dec 13 20:25:47 MohammadAG: sorry for that, I got rid of most of the DBus code Dec 13 20:26:54 noticed that, thanks :) Dec 13 20:27:34 MohammadAG: the question is, does it work? Dec 13 20:27:54 yep, also added the timeout back and it still works :) Dec 13 20:28:09 btw, does it matter where #includes are? you moved it from the .h to the .cpp file Dec 13 20:28:36 MohammadAG: just the DBus include Dec 13 20:28:50 Does the N900 work well on Verizon? Dec 13 20:28:53 yeah, why? Dec 13 20:28:54 MohammadAG: that's because there is no DBus code in the .h, so no need for it to be there? Dec 13 20:29:06 hmm Dec 13 20:29:25 but the .h file is included anyways Dec 13 20:29:33 yes Dec 13 20:29:42 this is a general good practice anyway Dec 13 20:30:07 oh, hi b-man` \o Dec 13 20:30:30 Venemo, you removed setWindowAttribute(Qt::WA_TranslucentBackground); :P Dec 13 20:30:32 hey lcuk :) Dec 13 20:30:53 MohammadAG: yes, because the rest of the window is transculent anyway Dec 13 20:30:56 b-man`, you got the green light to come on then Dec 13 20:31:05 MohammadAG: you can readd it, I was just experimenting with stuff Dec 13 20:31:12 * lcuk pokes Venemo and MohammadAG Dec 13 20:31:22 hello lcuk o7 Dec 13 20:31:36 Venemo, setAttribute(Qt::WA_TranslucentBackground);* Dec 13 20:31:48 lcuk: rofl Dec 13 20:31:51 Venemo, oh, that's because the buttons are borked Dec 13 20:31:57 install alphathemefix :P Dec 13 20:32:03 MohammadAG: what's that? Dec 13 20:32:24 lcuk: I've been busy teaching myself how to properly solder for a project i'm working on Dec 13 20:32:37 b-man`, oooh Dec 13 20:32:52 * lcuk once had a job fixing circuit boards Dec 13 20:33:01 it involves JeeNodes :) Dec 13 20:33:01 Venemo, it replaces the buttons with borders with borderless buttons Dec 13 20:33:08 it's how PSFreedom's buttons look nice Dec 13 20:33:13 MohammadAG: oh. Dec 13 20:33:23 (JeeNode is basically an arduino with a radio) Dec 13 20:33:41 ooh Dec 13 20:33:45 b-man`, OC your N900 and solder with it, nice little tool isn't it? Dec 13 20:33:52 LOL Dec 13 20:34:05 MohammadAG: hehe Dec 13 20:34:12 actually theres other ways to warm up an n900 Dec 13 20:34:13 Venemo, shall I make the buttons small or not? Dec 13 20:34:21 some people are reporting being able to fry bacon on the keyboard Dec 13 20:34:23 MohammadAG: a bit smaller, yes Dec 13 20:34:29 MohammadAG: and maybe flat Dec 13 20:34:39 lcuk: what kind of equipment did you work on? :) Dec 13 20:34:39 MohammadAG: something like on the 5800? Dec 13 20:34:44 MohammadAG, which ui are you discussing? Dec 13 20:34:55 b-man`, vending machine coin mechs Dec 13 20:35:00 lcuk, the Media Bar Dec 13 20:35:00 heh Dec 13 20:35:46 b-man`, learning about just how a coin is detected as real and its value and how it rejects fakes whilst it bounces down a short pathway is awesome Dec 13 20:36:06 * lcuk liked the piezo bounce unit best Dec 13 20:36:22 at the end of a run, it hit a piezo wall which detected a certain frequency/voltage spike Dec 13 20:36:32 different coins have different results Dec 13 20:37:21 cool :) Dec 13 20:37:29 I think of that stuff every time I put a coin in a machine and smile :) Dec 13 20:39:39 actually theres other ways to warm up an n900 Dec 13 20:39:40 lcuk: that'd be a great subject for the science channel's "How Stuff Works" show :) Dec 13 20:39:45 use it with a nipple Dec 13 20:39:55 b-man`, there probably is already Dec 13 20:40:08 another stage involves coils and induction Dec 13 20:41:56 MohammadAG, o_O Dec 13 20:42:01 nipples to do what? Dec 13 20:42:21 to heat it up Dec 13 20:42:32 you've been working with nipples for some time now, I've got logs! Dec 13 20:42:56 lol Dec 13 20:43:47 MohammadAG: yeah, but his are artifical ones Dec 13 20:43:51 mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~/.xchat2/xchatlogs$ cat FreeNode-#liqbase.log | grep nipple* | wc -l Dec 13 20:43:52 12 Dec 13 20:44:02 :$ Dec 13 20:44:13 :P Dec 13 20:44:18 when also tied in with boob it probably looks quite bad Dec 13 20:44:49 MohammadAG, at the conference revdkathy wanted me to make an app Dec 13 20:44:52 liqballs Dec 13 20:44:58 * lcuk declined. Dec 13 20:45:01 LMFAO Dec 13 20:45:05 oh god XD Dec 13 20:45:37 boobs and balls hmmm Dec 13 20:46:00 * lcuk now hopes #liqbase does not end up as a XXX channel Dec 13 20:46:25 * MohammadAG invites friends Dec 13 20:46:34 lcuk: shhhh!!!!!!!1 Dec 13 20:46:46 lcuk: well then, thank me for not posting pics and vids when you guys asked for them... :P Dec 13 20:46:58 i did not ask Dec 13 20:47:11 in that case anyway :P Dec 13 20:47:21 venemo: pics or it didn't happen :P Dec 13 20:47:22 s/pics/vids/ Dec 13 20:47:26 it wasn't him :P Dec 13 20:47:27 * lcuk considers removing boobie touch video though Dec 13 20:47:37 * MohammadAG didn't see that one Dec 13 20:47:44 unfortunately, in English the word 'you' means plural and singular too Dec 13 20:47:47 or did I... Dec 13 20:47:47 hold on ill post it Dec 13 20:48:09 NSFW? Dec 13 20:48:11 hmm, anyone else have qt-mobility-organiser installable? Dec 13 20:48:17 http://liqbase.net/liq.packard.bell.multitouch.boobies.fail.20100402_003.mp4 Dec 13 20:48:18 s/s/z Dec 13 20:48:23 actually, very safe for work :P Dec 13 20:48:46 MohammadAG, it was even on youtube for a short while o_O Dec 13 20:48:51 lardman, not tried Dec 13 20:48:55 wheres the giturl? Dec 13 20:49:08 I thought desktops were connect to AC so they don't auto sleep Dec 13 20:49:09 damn windows Dec 13 20:49:57 javispedro: as you pointed it out, have you been able to install the organizer (sic) stuff on an N900? Dec 13 20:50:55 lardman: unfortunately I tried before it was even packaged Dec 13 20:51:10 I clearly remember there was a maemo5 organizer backend .so file Dec 13 20:51:13 is it packaged? I didn't see it in the repo Dec 13 20:51:21 I mean the entire qtmobility Dec 13 20:51:28 look for qtm-* Dec 13 20:51:33 or *qtm* =) Dec 13 20:52:02 hmm Dec 13 20:52:24 cannot find it Dec 13 20:52:34 not just me then :) Dec 13 20:53:50 lol lcuk Dec 13 20:54:54 lcuk, is it capacitive one? Dec 13 20:55:01 no idea what they did with the package Dec 13 20:55:10 http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1.0-beta/organizer.html Dec 13 20:55:16 organiser api is mobility 1.1 Dec 13 20:55:21 its nott in 1.0 Dec 13 20:55:59 oh. Dec 13 20:56:02 the qtmobility meta package was created in a way which should allow updating it Dec 13 20:56:19 however, since complete packaging for qtm 1.1 is not even yet fully available Dec 13 20:56:29 (i have been talking to qtm guys and community hacker from meego Dec 13 20:56:42 and he has offered initial packaging for meego rpm stuff Dec 13 20:56:56 * lcuk guesses that 1.1 debs are in need of the same kind of love Dec 13 20:57:04 fair enough, just wondering if I can use qtm eventually on the N900 or if I need to go back to the raw calendar backend api Dec 13 20:57:21 lardman, its entirely feasible Dec 13 20:57:47 and should be added as candidate for the community ssu as they both get organised Dec 13 20:58:28 Error: failed to create image : Failed to apply configuration to image Dec 13 20:58:34 * javispedro sighs Dec 13 20:59:02 yet another topic that will some day be talked about on the "maemo5 support" thread Dec 13 20:59:02 ah well, on that note I think I'll head to the TV, can't be arsed to work out how the calendar-backend stuff works tonight Dec 13 20:59:13 is this right? if(QSettings().value("main/timeout").toString().isEmpty() || QSettings().value("main/timeout").isNull()) Dec 13 20:59:14 QSettings().value("main/timeout").setValue(1500); Dec 13 20:59:30 lardman, how would a frontend work? Dec 13 20:59:48 lcuk: that's the name of the lib: http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/calendar-backend/ Dec 13 21:00:34 lardman, get the latest libraries into your scratchbox and run qmake; make Dec 13 21:00:37 ? Dec 13 21:02:44 >> hacking Dec 13 21:14:26 MohammadAG: why not check the .toInt value? If there's no proper int inside the setting, the compare should fail anyway Dec 13 21:16:19 If we can reimplement most of the Maemo 5 applications before Christmas, do we get to call Nokia a band of incompetent idiots? Dec 13 21:19:18 GAN900, question is, can we? Dec 13 21:19:29 I can redo all the UIs, can you implement the backends? Dec 13 21:23:16 I will give anyone who succeeds in such a task a gold bar for christmas (*) Dec 13 21:23:36 * May be 24 carat gold, with a core of chocolate. Dec 13 21:24:49 MohammadAG, no, I'm just a cheerleader. :P Dec 13 21:26:43 :) Dec 13 21:27:52 did anybody ever get pulseaudio running without xprot speaker protection on n900 Dec 13 21:28:12 ? i'm curious whether that was most of the cpu load, or whether it was caused by PA itself Dec 13 21:29:24 Hello. Dec 13 21:29:40 Does anybody have pidgin with working GPG? Dec 13 21:31:51 is there a support channel for SMScon ? Dec 13 21:35:48 hey, how can I open a html file in offline mode ? What is the browser name on n900 ? Dec 13 21:36:50 djszapi: if you select an HTML file in the file manager, it opens in the browser Dec 13 21:36:56 file:/// Dec 13 21:37:01 or that Dec 13 21:37:04 also, you can type file:// urls in the address bar Dec 13 21:37:46 so what is the programname if I would like to do it from cli ? Dec 13 21:37:48 (meaning that, contrary to popular opinion, the n900 *does* ship with a non-locked-down file browser) Dec 13 21:39:07 I don't think you can start the browser from the commandline cleanly Dec 13 21:39:07 \ Dec 13 21:39:13 you can call it by DBUS Dec 13 21:39:59 someone here who has smscon? or knows about another good tracking-mobile prog? Dec 13 21:40:11 cant get smscon to work:\ Dec 13 21:40:24 how can I play songs on a html page, like builtin ff player of xine and so on on my N900 ? Dec 13 21:43:47 alterego, was the shower enough inspiration for transitions? :P Dec 13 21:46:52 Well, I had the idea for fixing the transitions before I had the shower :P Dec 13 21:50:12 so the idea went down the drain? Dec 13 21:51:06 No, I got side tracked. Dec 13 21:51:58 :P Dec 13 21:52:44 I'll have a look at it in a bit :P Dec 13 21:53:36 alterego, check the latest commit Dec 13 21:55:35 Oh, that's nice :) Dec 13 21:55:44 You're using the proper API. Now isn't that a lot cleaner :D Dec 13 21:55:58 hmmm linuxy question, whats the best way to share my movie collection from ubuntu, so my xp laptops can see it? :) Dec 13 21:56:22 samba? Dec 13 21:56:41 alterego, it's not me who made the commit :P Dec 13 21:56:51 NooBmonk3y, install ubuntu on the laptops Dec 13 21:57:01 Heh Dec 13 21:57:01 what? you asked for the best way Dec 13 21:57:02 lol Mo :P Dec 13 21:57:08 :| Dec 13 21:57:09 :) Dec 13 21:57:37 alterego, quick question Dec 13 21:57:44 alterego, got a gitorious account? Dec 13 21:57:45 samba is a straightforward way to serve your files. if you want some blingy movie-only solution maybe uPnP Dec 13 21:57:52 Yeah Dec 13 21:58:01 "tswindell" Dec 13 21:58:05 and for streaming video to n900 or remote devices i still like ukki's "knots2" server Dec 13 21:58:21 being able to seek in streams is great Dec 13 21:58:42 * alterego is slightly dissappointed he can't build a madde sysroot Dec 13 21:59:33 alterego, added Dec 13 21:59:40 fanks Dec 13 22:02:19 things i have learnt: friends get very awkward when you warn them they were part of the gawker userdb leak Dec 13 22:02:43 alterego, I've been pondering upon something and thought you might have an answer Dec 13 22:02:49 got a sec? Dec 13 22:03:03 lcuk: The problem is I don't particularly want to have to support qt-mobility nor do I want to fiddle about getting the backend to work particularly Dec 13 22:04:02 * lardman hits the sack Dec 13 22:04:04 night all Dec 13 22:04:11 alterego, you're felcome Dec 13 22:06:43 Well, if I can't build a handset madde sysroot, I'll try building a core sysroot Dec 13 22:06:51 lol Dec 13 22:12:31 hmpf where are the qtwrt packages? Dec 13 22:22:37 Mek: q....where does kdebug output go if running an app from xterm in maemo? Dec 13 22:23:02 wherever it is configured to go? by default /dev/null for most areas I think Dec 13 22:23:13 I don't know much about the kdelibs for maemo packages though Dec 13 22:23:46 Mek: ah, ofcourse, kdebudialog migth help? Dec 13 22:24:12 ah, missing Dec 13 22:35:00 And it failed again :D Dec 13 22:35:13 This time with 20101207 Dec 13 22:57:28 is fcam organised as a set or kernel patches, or an out-of-tree module? Dec 13 23:00:02 i need to google stuff more often... looks like power already works with fcam Dec 13 23:01:14 BCMM: out of tree module Dec 13 23:01:19 BCMM: loaded in very nasty way Dec 13 23:01:23 jacekowski: oh? Dec 13 23:01:47 jacekowski: (not that it matters, as i was thinking about building it against kernel power, but just found a blog post claiming someone else fixed that already) Dec 13 23:02:02 well, somebody could just add it into power kernel Dec 13 23:03:24 BCMM: Gentoo/N900 has a patch Dec 13 23:03:40 jacekowski: this blog post makes it sound like somebody did Dec 13 23:03:56 luke-jr: Gentoo/N900? this intrigues me Dec 13 23:04:22 .oO(poor little cpu compiling everything... :) Dec 13 23:04:30 nox-: distcc. Dec 13 23:04:50 that works for crosscompilation too? Dec 13 23:04:53 hmm, is an n900 more or less powerful than an imac g3? Dec 13 23:05:04 sys-kernel/fremantle-sources/2.6.28-20101501+0m5_fcam-1.0.5.patch Dec 13 23:05:07 i got gentoo sorta-running on one of those onces, and it had a cooked CPU Dec 13 23:05:21 chem|st: there? Dec 13 23:05:26 has anyone see wierdness after using h.e.n. where the vibrate notification seems to go off every 15mins or so with no apaprent cause? Dec 13 23:05:28 clone overlay from http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n900/portage-overlay.git/ Dec 13 23:05:34 (so i had to push ALL the compiling to another machine over distcc) Dec 13 23:05:35 patch is 42 KB Dec 13 23:06:00 the only problem with Gentoo/N8x0 and Gentoo/N900 is *linking* webkit ;) Dec 13 23:06:20 luke-jr: needs lots of memory? Dec 13 23:06:22 linking that crap requires a ton of RAM Dec 13 23:06:29 chem|st: please try http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/files/tvbgone_1.0.0-1_all.deb Dec 13 23:07:17 so to build qt-webkit binpkgs, I usually have to rsync my fs to my desktop, then use qemu :p Dec 13 23:08:26 .oO(hmm didnt ppl swap over nfs many moons ago?) Dec 13 23:08:28 fwiw, the overlay has a GCC 4.4 patch for fremantle kernel too Dec 13 23:08:37 nox-: you can't swap over NFS sanely Dec 13 23:08:55 yeah at least it'll be sloow... Dec 13 23:09:09 but rsync'ing the entire fs might be too Dec 13 23:09:19 nox-: slow enough swap = watchdog dies Dec 13 23:09:28 oh hm :( Dec 13 23:10:04 anyway so much for compiling on n900 -> not really practical Dec 13 23:10:14 sure it is Dec 13 23:10:19 compiling isn't a problem Dec 13 23:10:22 just linking webkit Dec 13 23:10:24 well, linking in your case Dec 13 23:10:26 everything else links fine Dec 13 23:10:34 also, that was N810 Dec 13 23:10:39 not sure N900 is a problem Dec 13 23:10:39 oh Dec 13 23:11:14 well at least i remember compiling some part of xorg taking lotsa ram too... Dec 13 23:11:31 (tho maybe thats fixed now) Dec 13 23:11:43 compiling uses distcc fine ☺ Dec 13 23:11:51 linking *must* be on the real box Dec 13 23:11:54 ah also for crosscompilation? Dec 13 23:11:58 yeah Dec 13 23:11:59 :( Dec 13 23:12:06 just need to have a crosscompiler installed on stuff Dec 13 23:14:55 * alterego considers telepathy-qt Dec 13 23:18:21 * MohammadAG coughs Dec 13 23:18:52 No, I'm not doing anything until I manage to build this new madde sysroot! :P Dec 13 23:19:16 MohammadAG: you rule! Dec 13 23:19:28 MohammadAG: (for hostmode stuff, not for the coughing) Dec 13 23:19:28 hello all Dec 13 23:19:32 my cable came today Dec 13 23:19:35 * MohammadAG coughs again, and the croud cheers Dec 13 23:19:47 BCMM, patches are by PaulFertser, not me :P Dec 13 23:20:00 MohammadAG: yeah, but you're here at the moment Dec 13 23:20:00 * alterego quickly tries to think of a usb host mode project name for mohammad Dec 13 23:20:02 i heard you cough Dec 13 23:20:10 just tested it with a smartmedia card reader Dec 13 23:20:11 it worked Dec 13 23:20:19 Can't think of one :( Dec 13 23:20:21 Oh well. Dec 13 23:20:30 well, actually I got "no medium", because i don't know where the hell my smartmedia cards are Dec 13 23:20:34 mohostammad? Dec 13 23:20:38 sounds weird Dec 13 23:20:39 since the n900 kinda replaces that camera Dec 13 23:20:43 but still, it was kinda awesome Dec 13 23:20:50 found a really nice cable on ebay too Dec 13 23:20:58 moh-e-ned, though you'll have to sed an M :P Dec 13 23:21:25 straight to usb A female, with just enough cable to prevent it being used as a lever to open up the phone Dec 13 23:22:18 Or M-E-N for short? Dec 13 23:23:26 "man men" Dec 13 23:23:29 LOL Dec 13 23:26:08 night peeps Dec 13 23:26:58 night Dec 13 23:29:48 night Dec 13 23:31:00 anybody knhow how to make stupid git vrebise? Dec 13 23:31:02 verbose? Dec 13 23:31:12 it is killing last 3 hours of my sleep time Dec 13 23:31:34 I am trying to clone something off project.forum.nokia.com Dec 13 23:31:47 works for my friend over seas, doesnot for me Dec 13 23:32:00 sivang: "--verbose" exists. what info are you missing? Dec 13 23:32:01 it sits after the passwrod [rompts and does nothing according to strace Dec 13 23:32:09 nomis: I wish I knew :) Dec 13 23:32:32 nomis: but this piece of reluctant rcs does not give it for free. thanks, I'll try now Dec 13 23:32:49 sivang: you shouldn't be prompted for a password when cloning Dec 13 23:33:04 sivang: which repository URL are you trying to clone? Dec 13 23:33:11 sivang: you using git://, http:// or ssh://? Dec 13 23:33:36 crashanddie: https Dec 13 23:33:56 git clone https://sivang@projects.forum.nokia.com/git/qactus.git Dec 13 23:34:10 crashanddie: it's private for now Dec 13 23:34:17 crashanddie: until it gets more meat Dec 13 23:35:48 get rid of the sivang@ Dec 13 23:35:52 and try again Dec 13 23:36:02 or just https://sivang:password@projects... Dec 13 23:36:44 sivang: but git shouldn't be doing anything at that point, it's probably openssl or whatever implementation it uses for HTTP Authentication of HTTPS that is fucking up Dec 13 23:36:46 crashanddie: thanks, you are far more helpful than #git peopel telling me to wireshark(!!!) Dec 13 23:36:58 crashanddie: had I coded it, it would say so Dec 13 23:36:59 it's https, wireshark isn't going to be useful Dec 13 23:37:10 crashanddie: that it has issue or propgate ssl's errors Dec 13 23:37:12 jesus Dec 13 23:37:26 and people say bzr is awkward Dec 13 23:37:33 * sivang trie Dec 13 23:37:34 trie Dec 13 23:37:41 * andre__ is only used to git ssh:// cloning Dec 13 23:37:46 sivang: git is fine, git over http auth over https Dec 13 23:37:53 now that's just asking for trouble Dec 13 23:37:57 heh Dec 13 23:37:59 case in point: exhibit a Dec 13 23:38:03 bzr has no issue with that Dec 13 23:38:07 and never had Dec 13 23:38:08 :) Dec 13 23:38:14 *had Dec 13 23:38:18 does HEN's mount button try sda or sda1? Dec 13 23:38:18 sivang: do you have an ssh push address? Dec 13 23:38:24 err, no Dec 13 23:38:31 it's only https Dec 13 23:38:38 sivang: so how do you push to it? Dec 13 23:38:46 over https? Dec 13 23:39:00 crashanddie: I guess, how does gitorious does that? it creates SSH accounts for its users? Dec 13 23:39:13 there's one ssh account, usually called git Dec 13 23:39:26 so you do a git push git@:/path/to/git.git Dec 13 23:40:30 okay, please forgive my ignorance with git, I am a long time bzr user Dec 13 23:40:59 I think it uses dav to push through HTTP{S} , with bzr Dec 13 23:41:25 so, should I try log in with that account? Dec 13 23:41:49 the odd thing that someone else managed to clone without problem, at all. Dec 13 23:41:56 bzr pushes through ssh Dec 13 23:42:04 check the bzr info of an lp: account Dec 13 23:42:10 erm, checkout Dec 13 23:42:13 it'll be bzr+ssh:// Dec 13 23:42:22 sivang: then maybe something went wrong when authorizing you. How did you give them your credentials? Dec 13 23:42:26 or in what form? Dec 13 23:42:53 nomis: I've thought about it. If that is the case then I'm deeply disappointed. :-...( Dec 13 23:43:03 sivang: I know what it is Dec 13 23:43:07 sivang: well, I think I know Dec 13 23:43:10 crashanddie: please help :) Dec 13 23:43:25 you need to add the nokia CA cert to your gnutls certificate collection Dec 13 23:43:44 chx: I think it supportd something other as well, like HTTP dav or does still Dec 13 23:43:54 wow, i can actually use a smartmedia reader with this... Dec 13 23:44:05 there is a bzr webdav plugin but it's def not the default Dec 13 23:44:22 sivang: what OS are you running? Dec 13 23:44:29 still doesn't seem right that i can use USB devices that are substantially larger than the n900 somehow... Dec 13 23:44:29 BCMM: look into mount.sh, you'll see it Dec 13 23:44:32 crashanddie: ubuntu 10.10 Dec 13 23:44:39 crashanddie: my freind has opensuse Dec 13 23:44:45 crashanddie: I think we're getting closer Dec 13 23:44:45 could be that Dec 13 23:44:48 https://projects.forum.nokia.com/HelpAndSupport/wiki/GitQuickStart#GitTLSissue Dec 13 23:44:50 DocScrutinizer: ah, didn't know it worked that way Dec 13 23:44:59 compile your own git version, and include support for openssl Dec 13 23:45:10 curl-gnutls is kinda broken apparently Dec 13 23:45:28 thank you ubuntuism! Dec 13 23:45:32 again Dec 13 23:45:37 not ubuntu Dec 13 23:45:40 but packagers Dec 13 23:45:47 iirc the shell pattern was incl any single digit at end Dec 13 23:45:54 anyway Dec 13 23:45:55 I'm off Dec 13 23:45:57 'later Dec 13 23:45:59 crashanddie: okay, let me try and fix this crap, thank you! Dec 13 23:47:31 http://ompldr.org/vNmp3Nw weeee! Dec 13 23:48:04 thank you, everyone who's involved in hostmode stuff Dec 13 23:48:19 hostmode is go? Dec 13 23:49:37 sivang: in a beta sort of way in -devel Dec 13 23:50:08 BCMM: wow, nice, what did it take to get there? Dec 13 23:50:20 besides lots of lemmings :) Dec 13 23:50:20 sivang: ask someone who actually did stuff... Dec 13 23:50:31 sivang: it took some hard work by some awesome people Dec 13 23:50:32 MohammadAG: there? Dec 13 23:50:44 and DocScrutinizer ? Dec 13 23:50:58 sivang: [23:25:18] night peeps Dec 13 23:51:03 right Dec 13 23:51:08 I'll talk top him tomorrow Dec 13 23:51:11 well, very nice Dec 13 23:51:20 now lets stop highlighting in case we wake him up. Dec 13 23:51:20 I wish I knew half of what they know :-D Dec 13 23:51:25 yes Dec 13 23:51:51 they have a nice GUI for it now, though you have to choose the USB speed manually Dec 13 23:51:59 amazing Dec 13 23:52:09 Moh prolly did the UI Dec 13 23:52:16 presumably Dec 13 23:52:20 I saw him playing ith QML and stuff throughout the last cople of weeks Dec 13 23:52:23 he posted shots Dec 13 23:52:26 i'm really pleased with the cable i got on ebay Dec 13 23:52:31 sivang: the mediaplayer thing? Dec 13 23:52:32 :) Dec 13 23:52:35 BCMM: yes Dec 13 23:52:41 hi. i have a compiler problem . i compiled an external module ( usb to ethernet ) for power 46. the module depends on usbnet. on n900 usbnet crc values don't fit with crc values from power kernel headers . what to do ? Dec 13 23:52:42 also on theforum thread Dec 13 23:52:56 gotta say, this platform doesn't feel much like it's dieing :) Dec 13 23:54:50 BCMM: you're not mistaken Dec 13 23:54:59 BCMM: see threads on forum re: community Dec 13 23:55:21 I even got some resposne on a feature DocScrutinizer suggested some time ago Dec 13 23:55:36 from the -arm adapation team manager Dec 13 23:55:36 eh? Dec 13 23:56:03 DocScrutinizer: well, sort of , Harri said this could be a FEA against adaptation and that it's worth discussing Dec 13 23:56:12 oh wow, works with an ipod classic (a total power hog) Dec 13 23:56:57 sivang: no idea what you're talking baout Dec 13 23:57:18 DocScrutinizer: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9700 Dec 13 23:57:20 Bug 9700: media art not syn'd with artist name and song playing Dec 13 23:57:45 povboyt is wrong Dec 13 23:57:45 heh, i wanted this for transferring stuff to friend's USB sticks, but the stuff i've just picked up to test it is making me realise: the n900 has replaced a lot of my USB devices... Dec 13 23:58:01 the ipod and the card reader for my old digital camera... Dec 13 23:58:23 haha Dec 13 23:58:31 WTF is FEA? Dec 13 23:58:43 R? Dec 13 23:58:48 Funny Entertainment Agency. Dec 13 23:59:28 ~fea Dec 13 23:59:49 French Equatorial Africa Dec 13 23:59:56 DocScrutinizer: I think it is a Functionalit Enhancment *something Dec 13 23:59:58 DocScrutinizer: :) Dec 14 00:00:23 fsck everything! aaaaaaaahhhh! Dec 14 00:00:31 heh Dec 14 00:00:38 Feature Enhancement Addition? Dec 14 00:02:52 I'll ask Stskeeps tomorrow Dec 14 00:04:40 fsckng evil addon Dec 14 00:05:28 DocScrutinizer: someone says FEAture in #meego Dec 14 00:05:31 anyway Dec 14 00:05:51 wow, the USB nicely goes back to normal afterwards and everything Dec 14 00:05:53 now that git almost done building with opensll Dec 14 00:05:57 (with no reboot) Dec 14 00:06:35 BCMM: nice Dec 14 00:06:41 I oughtta try it sometime Dec 14 00:06:55 you need to get a cable, but they are cheap Dec 14 00:07:52 whatever, 9700 is suboptimal. Why set the level with some kinky CAL tweaking or whatever, when we could tell NOLO to not boot up at all, by simply holding 'c' Dec 14 00:08:07 'c' lime 'charge PLEAE!' Dec 14 00:08:14 err Dec 14 00:08:23 'c' like 'charge PLEASE!' Dec 14 00:09:00 i got this one http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120617704386 Dec 14 00:09:09 the photos is misleading; it's actually two of them Dec 14 00:09:17 fallus enlargement addon for f..ing everybody again. can anybody answer a serious question here? eventually ? Dec 14 00:09:36 the cable is about an inch long, this is easilly small enough to pocket on hte off-chance of having to use it Dec 14 00:11:54 --force ? Dec 14 00:12:26 blue_led: sorry, no idea Dec 14 00:13:19 modprobe --force foousbeth Dec 14 00:14:06 blue_led: I'm not even sure I got the question Dec 14 00:14:44 DocScrutinizer: Why not adding those comments there? Dec 14 00:14:57 DocScrutinizer: what's CAL? Dec 14 00:15:51 i use modules.symbvers from power-kernel-headers but usbnet is also external . it can be rmmod and insmod and i don't think the it can be inserted at same adress Dec 14 00:16:03 force no go Dec 14 00:16:42 is the hostmode forum thread an appropriate place to post an ebay link which could be helpful to UK people looking for a hostmode adaptor? Dec 14 00:16:44 err, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465 Dec 14 00:17:30 BCMM: yes Dec 14 00:18:56 ah - fcam doesn't work Dec 14 00:20:07 DocScrutinizer: thanks, I see Dec 14 00:20:49 DocScrutinizer: so press 'c'and NOLO just enters charge mode and enver boots the kernel? Dec 14 00:21:09 that'd be nice, no? Dec 14 00:24:09 DocScrutinizer: yes, but yoiu didn't tell me it back then :) in any event it does not mean more work to support that AFAICT, I will add this to the FEA if you don't Dec 14 00:24:45 how do I push with git? Dec 14 00:25:39 git config user.email Dec 14 00:25:41 oops Dec 14 00:26:12 sivang: you can add whatever you like - with proper credit :-D Dec 14 00:26:31 DocScrutinizer: did not I include the credit already? Dec 14 00:26:35 * sivang was sure he did Dec 14 00:26:52 DocScrutinizer: I reckon you are not particularly interested in adding the feedback there yourself? :) Dec 14 00:27:29 DocScrutinizer: I think it is best if you do, one day this will be discussed and I will have no clue at answering other than that you told me which I can recite Dec 14 00:27:32 :) Dec 14 00:27:45 I got bashed on #meego why I would need any account. Now they can suck my ... Dec 14 00:27:54 ... shiny metal ass. Dec 14 00:28:00 DocScrutinizer: bashed? Dec 14 00:28:08 javispedro: what is he talking about? Dec 14 00:28:49 dunno Dec 14 00:29:19 DocScrutinizer: okay, i'll add with proper credit :) Dec 14 00:48:10 night all Dec 14 00:48:19 thanks crashanddie_ , you save my life today Dec 14 00:52:24 bye Dec 14 01:13:16 how I find the version of a package? Dec 14 02:27:01 good morning **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Dec 14 02:59:57 2010