**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 18 03:00:02 2010 Dec 18 07:14:29 hello #maemo Dec 18 07:23:50 O HAI THAR MR DOC SCRUTINIZER OPENMOKO ENGINEER SIR Dec 18 07:24:39 HI MR LUKE-JR Dec 18 07:25:07 i'm buying you two the new google laptops Dec 18 07:25:32 I'm taking away your Caps Lock keys. Dec 18 07:25:33 they don't have caps lock buttons Dec 18 07:25:58 derf: I already threw mine out Dec 18 07:26:14 toggles: sweet, can I run Gentoo on it? Dec 18 07:26:50 derf: seriously, my keymap uses the Caps key for Dvorak Dec 18 07:26:59 I use mine for Compose. Dec 18 07:27:04 but HOLDING SHIFT DOWN AINT HARD Dec 18 07:27:23 IT'S STILL FUCKING ANNOYING, THOUGH. Dec 18 07:27:33 derf: but gets me a free laptop? Dec 18 07:27:41 You win this round. Dec 18 07:27:45 XD Dec 18 07:30:08 toggles: you got my shipping addr? Dec 18 07:33:06 12648430 Dec 18 07:33:14 err Dec 18 07:33:30 0xC0FFEE Dec 18 07:33:46 gn Dec 18 07:34:19 To be fair, those laptops have the same key, it's just a multi-function instead of just caps-lock Dec 18 07:35:12 Also, in most cases, I'm thinking that the n900's solution would be better anyway - tap or hold shift for shift, tap twice for caps-lock Dec 18 08:30:36 LOL - my mother got an app on her iPhone called "Ghost Trapper". It sits there with a radar and goes "beep" and shows some lines and dots and stuff on the radar. At the end it does one of those "scary" ghosting coming at you things. Dec 18 08:30:44 She shit her pants! She thought she caught the ghost! :p Dec 18 08:35:38 *sigh* Dec 18 08:36:11 thought fart app would be ultimately the worst it gets Dec 18 08:40:42 Termana: Your mother shat her pants? Are you sure we would like to hear about that? Dec 18 08:43:34 RST38h, well i mean she didn't *really* shit her pants. She jumped up high, screamed and almost threw the phone Dec 18 08:45:13 * DocScrutinizer considers an app to whisper random scary shit at random times at night, when ambient light and noise is low, and no movement Dec 18 08:45:37 that could be interesting Dec 18 08:46:18 obviously has to run daemonized or via cronjob Dec 18 08:47:11 make it so that the noises stop if a light goes on or the phone is moved Dec 18 08:47:31 didn't I say exactly that? Dec 18 08:47:51 no Dec 18 08:48:04 umm, I meant to Dec 18 08:51:27 for additional schizogenic effect take random samples during day, and process them slightly with e.g. sox, to add reverb and tune pitch or stretch speed. Then use these samples for the scary noises Dec 18 08:51:32 DocScrutinizer has been watching too much NCIS. Except when they did it there, it was activated by a phone call. Dec 18 08:51:47 DocScrutinizer, also you did say exactly that, just in a different way :p Dec 18 08:52:02 oh, I rarely watch NCIS and missed that episode Dec 18 08:53:23 also make sure you use the proximity sensor to check whether the phone is inside a pocket, a bag, or turned upside down before validatin the light sensor's input Dec 18 08:53:40 good point Dec 18 08:55:22 I think I can integrate all that into h-e-n kernel til mid of March the latest. Then sell exorcist app on ovi, 1. of April Dec 18 08:57:43 umm, the poltergeist needs a function to patch healthcheck as well :-D Dec 18 08:58:30 "your N900 has been detected to be infected by trinary fleas" Dec 18 09:01:04 "please don't use your phone tomorrow 18:57 til 22:73! The fleas have scheduled a meeting at dark side of second life" Dec 18 09:02:33 btw anybody recalls this hype called "second life" anymore? Got rather quiet about all that :-P Dec 18 09:04:05 second life as in the game? Dec 18 09:04:24 oh that's been supposed to be a game? Dec 18 09:04:51 I thought it was a virtual shop app for Nike and IBM Dec 18 09:04:55 Errmm... I think so. I didn't really use it Dec 18 09:05:08 Didn't interest me, overcomplicated chat with building functions Dec 18 09:05:14 3D building* Dec 18 09:05:23 and the first life for pederasts Dec 18 09:07:16 lol Dec 18 09:07:45 I didn't even know what that meant until I looked it up Dec 18 09:13:08 morning Dec 18 09:13:57 morning lardman Dec 18 09:18:27 hi Termana Dec 18 09:19:23 https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/PROMO-terra-Love-Rug/1561100?ple=h *priceless* Dec 18 09:20:53 * DocScrutinizer wonders if there's secondlife in secondlife :-P Dec 18 09:22:15 "Laptop with secondlife^2 preinstalled. NOMOD/NOCOPY/MOVE L$15000" Dec 18 09:22:42 10^9 prims Dec 18 09:23:36 dualcore: 10^12 prims Dec 18 09:23:48 what's a prim? Dec 18 09:24:04 I guess a primitive, some buildblock macro Dec 18 09:25:09 honestly no idea really. First time in my first life I look at 2ndlife Dec 18 09:25:15 ah I was wondering if it was currency Dec 18 09:25:32 nah the currency is Lindon$ iirc Dec 18 09:25:50 freely convertable to USD Dec 18 09:32:26 hmm, it's stopped snowing :( Dec 18 09:34:14 is it a good thing or a bad thing? Dec 18 09:34:32 bad, it's the weekend Dec 18 09:34:44 ah Dec 18 09:35:36 Meanwhile: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1339271/Mel-Gibson-called-oven-dodger-claims-Winona-Ryder.html Dec 18 09:36:23 wtf does that even mean (there's no way I'm clicking a daily shite url) Dec 18 09:36:37 lol Dec 18 09:36:49 to do with the gas chambers I just found out Dec 18 09:36:56 doc: Winona Ryder acting as Cpt Obvious for today Dec 18 09:37:04 erm Dec 18 09:37:12 * doc|home lost - but doesn't really care Dec 18 09:37:17 anti-semetic Dec 18 09:37:37 ok Dec 18 09:37:42 or semitic Dec 18 09:37:59 that's an awful url Dec 18 09:38:23 it should be legal to punch tabloid journalists Dec 18 09:39:11 You would really need it to be legal to do it? Hm. Dec 18 09:39:51 I'm not going to jail for one of those useless... people... Dec 18 09:40:01 * doc|home sighs Dec 18 09:40:26 RST38h: get a proper irc client - WITH TAB NICK-COMPLETION! Dec 18 09:41:00 DocScrutinizer: mine has troubles with your nicks sometimes Dec 18 09:41:08 Doc: No. Dec 18 09:41:09 so, I'm buying a christmas present for someone back home (Ireland). I'm using an Irish credit card, from an Irish bank, with the billing/delivery address matching the card address. Transaction denied. Why? Because the IP address I'm doing the transaction from is in canada. Dec 18 09:41:26 if it doesn't know whether I'm going to keep typing, doesn't change case for me Dec 18 09:41:38 doc: I bet you never tried buying anything from an .RU IP address... Dec 18 09:42:00 GRRRRR Dec 18 09:42:08 RST38h: .ca doesn't exactly have the same rep as .ru :) Dec 18 09:42:30 I asked if there was any way around it and the guy said "not without a proxy" :D Dec 18 09:42:38 so, he didn't suggest it as such ... Dec 18 09:42:45 * doc|home places order using proxy Dec 18 09:42:46 doc: meaning, they just deny your transactions, and do not start calling your US phone number to warn you of "illegal activity using your credit card"? Dec 18 09:43:00 STOP HIGHLIGHTING ME Dec 18 09:43:12 DocScrutinizer: pffft, he's not even saying your name :) Dec 18 09:43:15 Doc: You should downgrade to IRCII, it does not highlight. Dec 18 09:43:27 DocScrutinizer: do you have "doc" in your highlight list? Dec 18 09:43:42 RST38h: no, just it's rejected Dec 18 09:43:53 doc: Proxy. Problem solved. Dec 18 09:44:18 doc|home: yes, "doc:" as somebody else used to use that - also a TAB ignorant Dec 18 09:44:20 RST38h: still a hassle and stressful when you're trying to place it in the minutes before work close to christmas :/ Dec 18 09:44:31 DocScrutinizer: then it's the other guy's fault :) Dec 18 09:44:57 RST38h: have the order done now, hope it gets there in time is all Dec 18 09:44:58 doc: They will not deliver it. Dec 18 09:45:04 RST38h: they better! Dec 18 09:45:09 doc: Never do Dec 18 09:45:16 RST38h: what? Dec 18 09:45:34 hahaha Dec 18 09:45:38 doc: Too late, parcel services are in a mess, you should be happy if they do not lose it at all Dec 18 09:45:50 :D Dec 18 09:45:56 RST38h: we'll see :/ Dec 18 09:46:26 sleep time, night Dec 18 10:15:00 DocScrutinizer: I thought you didn't own an n810? :p Dec 18 10:43:27 * lardman heads off to play in the snow bbl Dec 18 11:09:41 blist Dec 18 11:09:49 arghs, sorry, wrong channel ^^' Dec 18 11:52:06 hi are there any known issues related on performance and pr 1.3? I have almost N900 with pr1.3 and I installed there only MadDeveloper and ssh, it's really slow in general Dec 18 11:52:20 "almost clean" Dec 18 11:54:21 i've seen a lot of vague complaints Dec 18 11:59:24 I need two more votes: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/xbox360-media-remote/1.0-1maemo2/ Dec 18 11:59:30 Someone freakin' do it :) Dec 18 12:22:32 * MohammadAG can't feel his damn body Dec 18 12:22:58 Why not? Dec 18 12:23:28 didn't sleep last night, didn't you notice? :P Dec 18 12:23:35 no. Dec 18 12:23:39 well, couldn't Dec 18 12:23:59 so i've been awake for 24h+ Dec 18 12:24:20 Fun. Dec 18 12:24:50 I would suggest finding somewhere nice and flat, and doing handbrake turns there. Dec 18 12:25:15 moin SpeedEvil Dec 18 12:25:19 Morning. Dec 18 12:25:23 heh Dec 18 12:25:30 I'm going to sleep again. Dec 18 12:25:37 It's way too cold to be up. Dec 18 12:27:10 hey guys Dec 18 12:27:29 SpeedEvil: you know anything about lis302 on OM hw? Dec 18 12:27:52 no. Dec 18 12:27:56 k Dec 18 12:27:59 My OM hw doesn't have one. Dec 18 12:28:10 aah Dec 18 12:28:13 :-) Dec 18 12:29:38 funny detail I made them consider to have the Nokia driver or a similar IRQ driven concept, after only 2.5y of arguing about it Dec 18 12:30:13 while meego adopts the OM joystick polling approach :-P Dec 18 12:31:28 well, however crappy, it's UPSTREAM (uhuhuhuhh) Dec 18 12:31:49 Note to self: CSS != QML Dec 18 12:31:56 No matter how similar it looks. Dec 18 12:36:44 alterego: QML is JS, not CSS Dec 18 12:52:08 Venemo: it feels more like CSS tbh Dec 18 12:52:22 alterego: it is JSON if I recall correctly Dec 18 12:52:23 At least the UI Dec 18 12:52:26 Yeah Dec 18 12:52:28 X-Fade: ping Dec 18 12:52:33 But not JSON Dec 18 12:52:59 It's its' own language really, kind of like JSON, but feels a little more like CSS. Dec 18 12:53:05 But not either Dec 18 12:54:00 X-Fade: I have uploaded a package called "puzzle-master" to the autobuilder yesterday evening. I received an OK email about it, but it doesn't appear in the list of the latest builds, not in the repo. could you help me? Dec 18 12:55:14 DocScrutinizer: you still rock? :) Dec 18 12:56:39 sure Dec 18 12:56:49 :) Dec 18 13:36:06 * Skald is away: Gone away for now Dec 18 13:49:38 * Skald is back. Dec 18 13:51:00 Morning, all Dec 18 13:51:13 morning Jaffa Dec 18 13:52:37 Just need one more vote now .. Dec 18 13:57:15 preferably from an actual user ;) Dec 18 13:57:22 :D Dec 18 13:57:45 in the ideal world of sw developers, there are no actual users Dec 18 13:58:33 yes Dec 18 13:59:30 itd be much better that way Dec 18 13:59:49 My maemo projects I write, basically, for myself. Dec 18 13:59:55 Can't say I've wrote an app for users. Dec 18 14:00:06 I just write things I want, then make them look nice and work nice for users. Dec 18 14:00:06 one more vote for what? Dec 18 14:00:12 Well, users except DocScrutinizer Dec 18 14:00:34 hehe, why? Dec 18 14:00:57 Because no one can ever reach his unobtainable standards :) Dec 18 14:01:13 hah! I was able to! :P Dec 18 14:11:46 X-Fade: nevermind, resubmitting the package did the trick Dec 18 14:12:13 alterego: wanna give it a spin? Dec 18 14:12:22 alterego: it's in the repo now Dec 18 14:12:33 Cool Dec 18 14:12:42 Yeah, I'll do it in a few minutes. Dec 18 14:16:46 * Skald is away: Gone away for now Dec 18 14:17:56 * Skald is back. Dec 18 14:24:18 hi. is it a known bug that installing overclocked kernel results in v4l not working? Dec 18 14:27:14 query the bugtracker for overclocked kernels? :-P Dec 18 14:41:17 alterego: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=899403#post899403 Dec 18 14:42:55 Python-folks: anyone know the import for KeyError; and how to generally find such things? Dec 18 14:43:15 My bad. Spelt it wrong. Dec 18 14:45:25 Hi! Dec 18 14:45:57 I am somewhat frustrated. After kill the fs on the N900 (sudden power loss when dropping it on a hard surface) Dec 18 14:46:04 I tried to reflash it. Dec 18 14:46:15 Flashing the fiasco image is no problem Dec 18 14:46:36 but I cannot flash the EMMC Dec 18 14:46:51 km82rt: yeah, I screwed an N900 that way once. I was able to flash both fiasco and emmc, but it just didn't work Dec 18 14:46:56 There are numerious people in forums with similar problems. Dec 18 14:47:12 Venemo: What did you finally do? Dec 18 14:47:50 km82rt: brought it to a repair center, and "forgot" to tell them that I dropped it Dec 18 14:48:04 km82rt: after a week, they replaced it with a new one, 'cause they couldn't fix it Dec 18 14:48:42 guysoft42, tried updating maemo from N900, it says i need to connect to nokia software. Dec 18 14:48:46 Venemo: to me this looks like a design error. (hard drop causes power failure --> causes fs corruption --> cannot be fixed....) Dec 18 14:49:05 i am on linux there is no nokia software for it Dec 18 14:49:18 what should I do? Dec 18 14:49:39 remove the incompatible packages you've installed preventing the ota upgrade from working Dec 18 14:49:50 or free up rootfs space if you've used a load of it Dec 18 14:50:44 nid0, how do i know what packages are incompatible? Dec 18 14:50:59 its in the package details for the upgrade Dec 18 14:51:02 does anyone know which 4 digits on the label are the hwid? Dec 18 14:51:39 nid0, thx, i'll try Dec 18 14:53:41 http://fuuko.libferris.com/maemo/n900/repository/ this is repo for n900 right ? Dec 18 14:54:31 Cant get my application manager detect the example clawmotia pkg which i why i have add this repo Dec 18 14:55:54 I should go now; bye guys Dec 18 15:20:55 hi tackat Dec 18 15:21:57 tackat: how is it in Nuremberg? A lot of snow? Dec 18 15:34:36 About an inch of snow in 20 mins Dec 18 15:34:40 :) Dec 18 15:34:43 purdy Dec 18 15:36:49 that's impressive Dec 18 15:37:03 no more here really, just 2-3" worth this morning Dec 18 15:38:49 yeah, still snowing a bit, really hope my bus comes to take me into Cambridge tonight. Dec 18 15:40:25 looks like it might snow again here though, dark skies now Dec 18 15:40:47 Ha . . . snow. Dec 18 15:40:56 Was pouring rain this morning. Dec 18 15:40:59 could't tell, it's been dark for 2 hours already :) Dec 18 15:41:10 heh Dec 18 15:41:24 we have less than 6 hours of daylight now in finland :( Dec 18 15:43:05 aww, that must be pretty depressing :D Dec 18 15:43:13 yep Dec 18 15:43:22 dark when you go to work Dec 18 15:43:28 dark when you leave home Dec 18 15:43:47 Screw that. Dec 18 15:43:51 and about half a meter of snow Dec 18 15:43:58 and -15C :) Dec 18 15:44:11 wtf. welcome to finland. \o/ Dec 18 15:45:47 It's gotten down to -15C Dec 18 15:45:49 here Dec 18 15:46:00 thought hat was a few days ago at night. Dec 18 15:46:06 Fife, Scotland Dec 18 15:46:19 Still getting a solid 10 hours a day here. Dec 18 15:46:22 Thank goodness. Dec 18 15:46:41 yeah. I heard that central europe is struggling with snow :) Dec 18 15:47:05 we're just living with it. struggling doesn't help. Dec 18 15:49:14 More riots! Dec 18 15:57:33 I just need one more vote: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/xbox360-media-remote/1.0-1maemo2/ Dec 18 15:57:40 Some one please :) Dec 18 15:57:44 * alterego goes to have a shower. Dec 18 16:01:36 is it possible to change the sensitivity of the proximity sensor in the N900? Dec 18 16:03:20 I believe not - it's a binary output sensor Dec 18 16:03:52 is it possible that a program which I installed changed the sensitivity? Dec 18 16:04:26 Because it needs an extreme bright light to "open" the sensor Dec 18 16:04:33 It's possible something is making it ignore it, yes Dec 18 16:04:44 hmm Dec 18 16:05:04 afk - sorry - good luck Dec 18 16:05:35 thnx Dec 18 16:16:28 could someone show me how to use shared folder with wizard mounter and windows 7 Dec 18 16:33:28 MortimeRR: well, some snow. The finnish guys might disagree if I say "a lot" ;-) Dec 18 16:49:49 is it possible that a program which I installed changed the sensitivity of the proximity sensor? Dec 18 16:50:04 no Dec 18 16:50:15 Except a new kernel, possibly. Dec 18 16:50:36 Unless the proximity sensor is a gpio switch, in which case, definitely not. Dec 18 16:54:27 but the kernel can't be changed by installed software? Dec 18 16:55:17 I'm not understanding my proximity sensor.. I guess it could be broken, but it's wierd it does react on strong light I think Dec 18 16:58:29 Proximity sensor or ambient light sensor? Dec 18 16:59:13 my screen doesn't switch on when I'm called because my phone thinks it's too dark. That's the proximity sensor right? Dec 18 17:00:25 alterego: proximity sensor is gpio iirc Dec 18 17:00:31 backwards_: no Dec 18 17:00:47 backwards_: proximity sensor detects distance to closest object Dec 18 17:00:55 light sensor detects brightness Dec 18 17:02:35 how come the proximity sensor opens when I hold my phone against a halogen lamp, and closes in all other cases? Dec 18 17:02:36 wow Dec 18 17:02:49 one of the low numbered Finnish TV channels just showed a test pattern Dec 18 17:02:56 then it showed black Dec 18 17:03:04 now it's showing the same test pattern (but silently, thankfully!) Dec 18 17:03:15 white-yellow-cyan-green-<> Dec 18 17:03:19 (that's 3 flashes of it) Dec 18 17:03:29 Heh Dec 18 17:03:29 * timeless_mbp didn't record the other bits Dec 18 17:03:40 ah, but now i'm rewarded by a pink panther short :) Dec 18 17:03:54 this is channel 4 (nelonen?) Dec 18 17:04:59 Heh Dec 18 17:05:40 I still need one more freakin' vote dagnamit! Dec 18 17:06:06 couldn't get on your link Dec 18 17:07:10 is there a way to test the light sensor? Dec 18 17:07:43 alterego: url? Dec 18 17:08:04 backwards_, strong light will trigger the proximity sensor in some cases Dec 18 17:08:50 like if you have sunlight shining on the remote control receiver of your TV, it stops seeing your remote control Dec 18 17:09:04 but can I check if the light sensor works? I installed HealthCheck which checks the proximity sensor, but not the light sensor Dec 18 17:09:47 Your assumption that "phone thinks it's too dark" is wrong Dec 18 17:10:31 If it thinks it's dark, it reduces the power of the backlight. If it's in reality very bright, you'd still see the screen contents if that was the case, because the screen is transreflective Dec 18 17:11:14 Do you have a screen protector covering the front camera, light sensor and proximity sensor? Dec 18 17:11:22 no I don't Dec 18 17:11:47 timeless_mbp: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/xbox360-media-remote/1.0-1maemo2/ Dec 18 17:11:50 I had my phone repared last week, they replaced the screen because the old screen was broken Dec 18 17:12:17 alterego: um, send me an xbox360 and i'll vote for your app :) Dec 18 17:12:26 something could have gone wrong there I guess Dec 18 17:14:21 cat the sysfs nodes Dec 18 17:15:09 pfft, it works :P Dec 18 17:15:31 9/10 thumbs up is a pretty good indication of that :P Dec 18 17:16:04 alterego, when I get home. Dec 18 17:16:32 Thanks :) Dec 18 17:16:32 backwards_: cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity/state Dec 18 17:16:48 Still snowing here Dec 18 17:16:57 Probably another 1/2 inch Dec 18 17:17:22 Though, I don't know how you measure these things. Dec 18 17:17:25 backwards_: cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0029/lux Dec 18 17:18:34 backwards_: ???! Dec 18 17:18:38 doc, I did the proximity state and it always says closed unless I use the bright light Dec 18 17:18:54 that's weird Dec 18 17:19:08 backwards_: then it's broken Dec 18 17:19:10 hrm, more like 3 or 4 inchs Dec 18 17:19:14 bright light would rather make it "open" Dec 18 17:19:15 backwards_: proximity sensor has it's own light source Dec 18 17:19:27 DocScrutinizer: that's what he said Dec 18 17:19:34 DocScrutinizer: it's closed unless he uses bright light Dec 18 17:19:53 err, it not what I meant though. Thanks Dec 18 17:20:19 prox sensor seing light means there's an object near that reflects sensor's own IR Dec 18 17:20:30 so light=object=closed Dec 18 17:20:44 no light=no reflexion=open Dec 18 17:20:51 so it should be closed when there is something near Dec 18 17:20:56 yes Dec 18 17:21:03 uhw Dec 18 17:21:25 the second thing you told me gives me "6" don't know what that means? Dec 18 17:21:44 6 lux, normal for room with 60W bulb Dec 18 17:21:57 hold it to the light, you get like 60 Dec 18 17:22:04 or 100 Dec 18 17:22:10 in sun 1000 Dec 18 17:22:22 yep Dec 18 17:22:35 bright light gives 2689 Dec 18 17:23:02 conclusion is that prox sensor is broken and it's a hardware problem right? Dec 18 17:23:18 or 11714, next to a 60W Dec 18 17:24:39 well, usually that sensor is always on afaik, and for me it shows 'closed' when I cover left half of device by hand, and 'open' when there's nothing Dec 18 17:26:55 a brigh light of ~8000Lux doesn't cause a 'closed', approaching the bulb about 3cm distance gives closed, but that also seems normal sensor operation Dec 18 17:27:12 what exactly is the reason for contacting nokia servers if you want to register an email account...? Dec 18 17:27:30 checking connectivity afaik Dec 18 17:27:33 bbl Dec 18 17:28:00 backwards_: short answer: yes Dec 18 17:28:21 backwards_: nevertheless reflash! You never know Dec 18 17:29:21 if error persists on freshly flashed clean rootfs&kernel (COMBINED fiasco img) then it's for sure a hw problem Dec 18 17:30:52 oke! Dec 18 17:31:35 so is that flashing the eMMC too? Dec 18 17:31:40 nope Dec 18 17:31:58 DocScrutinizer, checking connectivity of the pop3 server...? Dec 18 17:32:01 do NOT flash the VANILLA file, that's useless Dec 18 17:32:04 why exactly is that done by nokia? Dec 18 17:32:47 bakarat: aiui the mailer (modest) checks if it can ping an arbitrary addr in internet which happens to be Nokia. Dec 18 17:33:14 DocScrutinizer, ah ok, that would make sense Dec 18 17:33:22 but maybe it does more, e.g. asking for presets for that mail provider Dec 18 17:33:33 just making sure cause i read at some point nokia offered a push service where mail was being routed through nokia servers Dec 18 17:33:43 (not sure when that was nor what model it referred to) Dec 18 17:34:00 Nokia could have a database with mail and pop server names and settings for commonly known service providers Dec 18 17:34:40 that push is probably nokia-mail Dec 18 17:35:39 it's basically a poor idea, as there's no push mail through a NAT, and GPRS frequently is behind a NAT Dec 18 17:35:50 bakarat, if you're using that nokia messaging thing it goes via nokia, and potentially your operator wants money for it Dec 18 17:36:21 DocScrutinizer, ShadowJK just the default email app on the nokia n900 Dec 18 17:36:23 not sure which one it is Dec 18 17:36:27 so your phone has to send NAT keep alive packets all the time to enable push, which is way worse than polling pop3 ince every 15min Dec 18 17:36:33 DocScrutinizer: uh, bs? Dec 18 17:36:40 IMAP IDLE is push, and works fine behind NAT Dec 18 17:36:54 or they actually send an SMS to inform you about new mail Dec 18 17:36:56 as long as the NAT doesn't have extremely short expiration of connection tracking Dec 18 17:37:20 * ShadowJK has no nat on interwebs Dec 18 17:37:46 * luke-jr is finding DD-Wrt's IPv6 support to be broken :/ Dec 18 17:37:54 typical session timeout on a NAT is 1..10min Dec 18 17:37:59 but long story short, the default email app on the nokia n900 is a generic email app right? not the nokia mail thingy? Dec 18 17:38:00 QoS too Dec 18 17:38:26 My router has 2 week timeout on nat. Probably why bittorrent is known to make it run out of ram :) Dec 18 17:38:33 bakarat: for everything except maybe nokiamail it is Dec 18 17:39:00 k thanks :) Dec 18 17:40:15 bakarat, so when I pick "New account" in email, it connects to nokia to "check for service availability". Presumably this has something to do with that thing where operators decide whether you can get nokia messaging or not. Then you get the thing where you get to select Service provider. If you pick Nokia Messaging at this point, I imagine it goes via nokia servers Dec 18 17:40:48 ShadowJK, ah ok, i'll just stay clear of that then :P Dec 18 17:42:56 if i set up an exchange account (for my work), is it easy to keep the calendar, contacts and whatever else is synced separate from private calendar, contacts etc? Dec 18 17:43:06 thanks for the help doc! :) Dec 18 17:43:07 (sorry i'm bombarding you guys with questions :P) Dec 18 17:46:06 this "checking for service availability" could also be STUN, or maybe even UPnP to try pinhole the provider NAT. Dec 18 17:48:37 Some SMS and security guru around? How does N900 react on those "silent SMS", can you still detect them? Dec 18 17:50:18 Is there a convenient way *I* (an underprivileged mortal user) may send such a silent SMS to test that? Dec 18 17:51:33 what silent SMS? Dec 18 17:54:22 hmm, thanks, nvm. hushSMS is the answer Dec 18 17:54:34 http://www.silentservices.de/HushSMS.html Dec 18 18:00:25 DocScrutinizer: doing anything Tuesday? Dec 18 18:00:41 why? Dec 18 18:00:46 new year! Dec 18 18:00:57 http://luke.dashjr.org/education/tonal/calendar/month201101.html Dec 18 18:01:03 haha Dec 18 18:02:44 well, I guess I'll celebrate a much more archaic and ancient habit: winter solstice Dec 18 18:03:20 nice side effect: after that I'm done at least with xmas Dec 18 18:03:58 http://luke.dashjr.org/education/tonal/keyboard/dvorak-tonal.png :P Dec 18 18:04:24 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/miku-theme/0.9/ Dec 18 18:04:39 still getting used to using shift for odd numbers Dec 18 18:05:02 to hell with busybox!! Dec 18 18:05:05 ._. Dec 18 18:05:09 that is all. Dec 18 18:05:36 anyone care to test and vote? Dec 18 18:06:13 because one vote till extras Dec 18 18:15:01 hi guys Dec 18 18:18:19 what's up? Dec 18 18:45:00 <_nicolai_> Hi Dec 18 18:45:42 hey _nicolai_ Dec 18 18:50:28 <_nicolai_> is someone working on MohammadAG s qtmediaplayer? Dec 18 18:51:14 he just sent me bunch of code that you sent him Dec 18 18:51:43 I'll look into it tomorrow Dec 18 18:56:07 <_nicolai_> ah, ok. Dec 18 18:57:39 or at least when I have some time Dec 18 19:17:01 how much should ram usage be after a fresh restart? Dec 18 19:18:34 internetishard: afaik Linux uses 100% ram. unused ram is wasted ram. Dec 18 19:18:42 okay Dec 18 19:18:43 DocScrutinizer: correct me if I'm wrong Dec 18 19:18:52 I'm talking about, for example, what shoes in conky Dec 18 19:20:25 I dunno that, I don't have conky Dec 18 19:20:29 as a rule of thumb, I see ca. 50MB swap used, after booting PR1.2 Dec 18 19:20:40 internetishard: Maemo uses a ridiculous amount of memory Dec 18 19:20:49