**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 21 02:59:59 2010
Dec 21 03:14:53 <blackthorne> hi
Dec 21 03:15:12 <blackthorne> how can i unshadow a registered password?
Dec 21 03:17:06 <blackthorne> as in unmask
Dec 21 06:57:30 <xkr47> is it possible to control whether n900 will charge its battery when connected with a usb cable ?
Dec 21 06:58:50 <xkr47> whenever at a desk, I prefer to have it connected, but wouldn't want to wear out the battery by keeping it in the charger for long times when at near full capacity
Dec 21 07:03:28 <RobbieThe1st> xkr47: It will automatically charge it till it's full, then stop charging it
Dec 21 07:03:55 <xkr47> yeah but won't it start charging again when it drops to 95% or something ?
Dec 21 07:04:35 <RobbieThe1st> Yes, but that's 95% of it's -current- capacity; it would take at least a day to get that low with no usage
Dec 21 07:04:57 <RobbieThe1st> Because the device is getting (most of) it's power from the USB during/after the charge
Dec 21 07:05:06 <xkr47> if I temporarily unplug it, then it will typically start charging again when I reconnect it
Dec 21 07:05:21 <RobbieThe1st> Yes
Dec 21 07:05:53 <RobbieThe1st> Remember this: LiOn chargers work on -voltage-, because that's all they can work on.
Dec 21 07:06:30 <RobbieThe1st> When you start using it, the voltage drops by a bit. When you plug it back in, the voltage is lower than the threshold, and starts the charging process
Dec 21 07:06:58 <RobbieThe1st> the voltage quickly goes back up, the current being drawn drops below a threshold, and it stops
Dec 21 07:07:39 <RobbieThe1st> As such, leaving it on the charger won't really hurt it, at least no more than keeping the battery charged will.
Dec 21 07:08:05 <RobbieThe1st> Unplugging and replugging it constantly may hurt it slightly, but I'd be more worried about the USB port myself
Dec 21 07:08:36 <chx> which is more durable, the back plate or the USB plate?
Dec 21 07:08:46 <chx> i have a separate battery charger
Dec 21 07:08:51 <chx> and two batteries.
Dec 21 07:09:15 <RobbieThe1st> I don't know; I think it depends on the unit - some revisions had a problem with the usb port
Dec 21 07:09:20 <RobbieThe1st> the newer ones don't seem to
Dec 21 07:09:34 <RobbieThe1st> Be -careful- unplugging it and you'll be fine.
Dec 21 07:10:05 <RobbieThe1st> Swapping batteries... I'd consider that a last resort, if only because you have to reboot the system, which takes time & power
Dec 21 07:10:39 <chx> RobbieThe1st: how cna i know which reivison i have?
Dec 21 07:10:50 <RobbieThe1st> Um...
Dec 21 07:11:03 <chx> LOL
Dec 21 07:11:16 <RobbieThe1st> There's a way
Dec 21 07:11:20 <RobbieThe1st> I forget it though
Dec 21 07:11:25 <chx> :(
Dec 21 07:11:49 <RobbieThe1st> Flasher will tell you when you flash it; one of the options may tell you without making you flash anythin
Dec 21 07:12:21 <chx> erm, i mean which revisions have usb broken
Dec 21 07:12:37 <RobbieThe1st> I... Honestly don
Dec 21 07:12:40 <RobbieThe1st> 't know
Dec 21 07:13:11 <RobbieThe1st> "cat /proc/cpuinfo"
Dec 21 07:13:31 <RobbieThe1st> I've got revision: 2101, and I'm pretty sure that's in the "good" list
Dec 21 07:14:42 <RobbieThe1st> chx: What does yours say?
Dec 21 07:15:27 * chx fishes out his N900
Dec 21 07:16:49 <chx> yes 2101
Dec 21 07:18:01 <RobbieThe1st> some info: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46314
Dec 21 07:20:25 <RobbieThe1st> Of course, if you -really- want to save your USB port, you can do what one t.m.o user did - Take a mugen cover, mount a charger plug in it, wire it up and use an external LiOn charger.
Dec 21 08:05:20 <mece> hello maemonians
Dec 21 08:06:42 <DokterW> Hello
Dec 21 08:06:59 <mece> what's new?
Dec 21 08:09:58 <DokterW> Installed TwimGo this other day. So far it's my favourite Twitter client.
Dec 21 08:11:09 <mece> It's pretty sweet. Best one out right now :)
Dec 21 08:12:07 <mece> I'm making one for myself, based on what I want though :)
Dec 21 08:17:12 <DokterW> Nice! Will you be releasing it to the public?
Dec 21 08:30:21 <mece> DokterW, sorry, was distracted. Yes sure, once it's usable.
Dec 21 09:28:27 <Khertan_> Morning
Dec 21 09:34:28 <MohammadAG> mece, just improve on TweeGo, it has the best UI of them all
Dec 21 09:41:36 <Khertan_> QML (Qt Meta-Object Language) is a JavaScript-based ... ouch
Dec 21 09:41:45 <Khertan_> stop reading here ... :)
Dec 21 09:42:13 <frals> its awesome tbh
Dec 21 09:42:50 <lardman> mece: I quite like the sound of Flipboard (iPad app) which downloads pages, images, etc. which are linked in tweets
Dec 21 09:47:46 <Jaffa> Khertan_: It's actually quite good. We built something similar using Groovy for our in-house screen design (because we don't have a separation of designers & coders on each project, so developers can use an existing library of widgets in a declarative manner to build a conformant and consistent UI)
Dec 21 09:50:02 <Jaffa> Khertan_: However, I'm looking forward to better supported/more core reusable widgets
Dec 21 09:52:59 <mece> MohammadAG, I'm already using my own. Also, TweeGo UI is not at all what I want
Dec 21 09:53:20 <mece> lardman, flipboard is incredible
Dec 21 09:54:20 <MohammadAG> mece, try to make it complete, please :P
Dec 21 09:54:47 <MohammadAG> the amount of twitter apps in our repos are catching up with that of fart apps on the iPhone
Dec 21 09:55:00 <mece> MohammadAG, don't hold your breath. I'm making it for me.
Dec 21 09:57:42 <mece> MohammadAG, have you tried TwimGo? I like that one.
Dec 21 09:57:55 <mece> MohammadAG, that's the most complete one IMO.
Dec 21 10:03:13 * lardman is confused
Dec 21 10:06:59 * Jaffa likes Khweeteur best at the moment for Maemo Twitter apps (thanks Khertan_)
Dec 21 10:17:00 <dneary> Hey hey
Dec 21 10:17:19 <dneary> X-Fade, Would you mind updating planet.css from svn, please?
Dec 21 10:19:18 <X-Fade> dneary: done
Dec 21 10:19:34 <dneary> Thanks
Dec 21 10:19:43 <dneary> Does planet.maemo.org look OK to you now?
Dec 21 10:19:47 <dneary> Jaffa, Ping?
Dec 21 10:21:15 <X-Fade> dneary: Everything just looks borked. Packages, Downloads etc all have these ugly lines. But if you like them, then leave them.
Dec 21 10:21:38 <dneary> X-Fade, Conflicted
Dec 21 10:21:46 <dneary> The lines look better on pages of text
Dec 21 10:21:50 <X-Fade> Way too many horizontal lines.
Dec 21 10:21:55 <dneary> Maybe I should set them just for the wiki
Dec 21 10:22:08 <X-Fade> I'd set them for anything documentation.
Dec 21 10:22:10 <dneary> I really wanted to stay consistent
Dec 21 10:22:13 <X-Fade> Where it makes more sense.
Dec 21 10:22:48 <dneary> Hard to do... I don't think there is any CSS file common only to documentation
Dec 21 10:23:10 <X-Fade> dneary: I think there is a special div.
Dec 21 10:27:52 <dneary> X-Fade, Well, at least it's not awful any more
Dec 21 10:27:59 <dneary> X-Fade, It's not ideal...
Dec 21 10:28:10 <dneary> I'll work on some kind of compromise today
Dec 21 10:29:40 <pupnik> pandora SNES emulator running on A70 :D hahahaha
Dec 21 10:30:02 <dneary> X-Fade, I don't see any special ID on the divs in the intro or development sections of maemo.org
Dec 21 10:30:42 <dneary> Although there is on planet-entry and downloads - so I could conceivably leave the underlined headers everywhere *but* there.
Dec 21 10:31:23 <X-Fade> dneary: I can also add a css based on url regex. See head-local.php
Dec 21 10:31:48 <dneary> X-Fade, Perhaps the easiest is just to underline headers in the wiki
Dec 21 10:32:01 <dneary> And see if anyone notices that it isn't underlined everywhere :)
Dec 21 10:33:21 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, did you get javispedro's message/bug?
Dec 21 10:33:29 <Jaffa> dneary: pong
Dec 21 10:33:43 <dneary> Jaffa, Need your opinion on the updated planet
Dec 21 10:33:45 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: Yes. I so hate our current setup :)
Dec 21 10:34:12 <Jaffa> dneary: Lines between articles lost, but kept on the h1 & h2?
Dec 21 10:34:19 <dneary> Jaffa, Yup
Dec 21 10:34:38 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: I can't do fatal errors in buildme. I need somebody to add that functionality.
Dec 21 10:34:42 <dneary> I am thinking of putting back the two-tone, and removing header underlining everywhere except the wiki
Dec 21 10:35:29 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, just take down the package for now?
Dec 21 10:35:58 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: Yes, but then also things break because they depend on it.
Dec 21 10:36:02 <Jaffa> dneary: I'd take them off <h2> on planet, TBH.
Dec 21 10:36:18 <Jaffa> dneary: "two-tone"?
Dec 21 10:36:40 <dneary> Jaffa, The old separator between articles was a 2 pixel gif
Dec 21 10:36:51 <dneary> Jaffa, One bright pixel, one shadow pixel
Dec 21 10:36:58 <dneary> With repeat-x
Dec 21 10:37:05 <Jaffa> dneary: Ah
Dec 21 10:37:20 <Jaffa> dneary: Sounds like it might be better
Dec 21 10:37:21 <dneary> To create a bevelled h-separator
Dec 21 10:37:51 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, breaking those packages is better than breaking devices
Dec 21 10:38:11 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: True that.
Dec 21 10:40:07 <DocScrutinizer> moaning
Dec 21 10:42:11 <RST38h> Moo all.
Dec 21 10:43:49 <pupnik> hey RST38h
Dec 21 10:44:00 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: was that you who is empowered to edit the comments on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php ?
Dec 21 10:44:46 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: Amongst a few others, yes.
Dec 21 10:46:32 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: It still seems the comment there is like "always flash COMBINED *first*, _then VANILLA". Could you have a look and fix that? With our recent eMMC img there's no reason to flash rootfs first, but a whole lot of reasons to flash it last
Dec 21 10:47:29 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: It was you who came up with that wording, right? :)
Dec 21 10:47:42 <DocScrutinizer> nope, never ever
Dec 21 10:48:19 <DocScrutinizer> I always insisted in flashing VANILLA first and THEN flash COMBINED is the better sequence
Dec 21 10:50:03 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: since optification it's almost impossible to get a full flashing right the first time, as virtually nobody can avoid accidentally booting up the device between the two flash processes
Dec 21 10:51:04 <DocScrutinizer> and following the "Nokia"-suggested way to flash rootfs first, then eMMC, will result in a broken system if you accidentally let device boot in between
Dec 21 10:52:22 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: actually - to be on safe side of fence for all future times - we would need THREE flashes: rootfs, eMMC, rootfs
Dec 21 10:52:22 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: We had this discussion before and that is how I changed the wording last time.
Dec 21 10:52:47 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: To be on the safe side, they should use the windows flasher. Which is what most do :D
Dec 21 10:53:01 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
Dec 21 10:53:24 <crashanddie> X-Fade, I know your comment is semi tongue-in-cheek
Dec 21 10:53:48 <crashanddie> X-Fade, however, asking people to own a $300 OS just for the sake of updating their phone is nearly worthy of Sony :)
Dec 21 10:53:53 <X-Fade> crashanddie: No, dead serious. If you don't know what you are doing, a gui with no options is a lot safer.
Dec 21 10:54:20 <DocScrutinizer> :-S
Dec 21 10:54:29 <Choom> you don't need the ultimate version of windows 7 to run the tool
Dec 21 10:54:38 <X-Fade> crashanddie: Really, if we have a 5% linux user base then we are already aiming high.
Dec 21 10:54:39 <crashanddie> X-Fade, agreed on the UI part, we just need something that can also handle Linux/OSX
Dec 21 10:55:23 <crashanddie> X-Fade, you have to see the irony of selling a linux-based phone that needs Windows for proper updates, though ;)
Dec 21 10:55:28 <X-Fade> That is not to say that we need to let people do the wrong thing by default. I'm all for wording it in a way which is not confusing.
Dec 21 10:55:42 <X-Fade> crashanddie: End-user does not care.
Dec 21 10:55:50 <crashanddie> I'm an end-user
Dec 21 10:55:54 <X-Fade> It is just works/doesn't work for most.
Dec 21 10:56:03 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: that's still no reason to *require* a clumsy useless flashing sequence from users, then say "ohmy they have no clue when they fail to accomplish mission impossible"
Dec 21 10:56:10 <crashanddie> yeah, but that's a bollocks argument, X-Fade
Dec 21 10:56:11 <Choom> X-Fade: quite frankly I would expect a much higher linux user base for this particular phone because the sample becomes biased
Dec 21 10:56:11 <X-Fade> For us the linux thing is really nice, but really..
Dec 21 10:56:17 <DocScrutinizer> there's flasher tool on windows as well
Dec 21 10:56:19 <Choom> that said I only run windows at home
Dec 21 10:56:24 <Choom> linux is for VMs
Dec 21 10:56:42 <crashanddie> X-Fade, if I remember correctly, in Amsterdam, some Nokia big cheese said "Nokia has embraced FOSS because it makes sense"
Dec 21 10:57:13 <X-Fade> crashanddie: Sure, for the os platform development. But for the user it is just a shiny ui thing.
Dec 21 10:57:32 <crashanddie> X-Fade, well, Qt Creator works nicely on multiple platforms, I don't see why the flasher wouldn't.
Dec 21 10:57:39 * MohammadAG ends discussion and writes a front-end for flasher-3.5
Dec 21 10:57:53 <X-Fade> crashanddie: I'm all for that.
Dec 21 10:58:00 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, it does, it just needs a Qt UI
Dec 21 10:58:04 <crashanddie> aye
Dec 21 10:58:18 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: I think Jaffa did that in the 770 days already? :)
Dec 21 10:58:33 <crashanddie> but it wasn't as foolproof as the windows GUI flasher
Dec 21 10:58:36 <DocScrutinizer> still the comment on tablets.nokia.foo is WRONG
Dec 21 10:58:53 <DocScrutinizer> (if the users complaining about it are right)
Dec 21 10:59:15 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, afaik, the Windows UI sets the device in flashing mode itself
Dec 21 10:59:18 <crashanddie> but then again, "If you design something idiot-proof, someone will make a better idiot."
Dec 21 10:59:23 <MohammadAG> how it does that is beyond me
Dec 21 10:59:44 <DocScrutinizer> admittedly it earned some fix in the way it now says "do NOT boot between the flashes" but honestly, not even I am sure how to guarantee that
Dec 21 10:59:54 <MohammadAG> probably just reboots the device
Dec 21 11:00:40 <kerio> .foo is a TLD? cool
Dec 21 11:00:45 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: Better now?
Dec 21 11:00:47 <DocScrutinizer> :-P
Dec 21 11:00:47 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer, wrap a wire around the battery, attached to a brick dangling outside the window, use a photodiode to detect light emissions from the screen, which controls a actuator that pushes the brick off the edge of the window in case light emission is detected
Dec 21 11:01:09 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: mompls , need an IMEI :-S
Dec 21 11:01:29 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer, 49015420323751
Dec 21 11:01:45 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie: thnx
Dec 21 11:01:52 <crashanddie> that probably won't work
Dec 21 11:01:59 <crashanddie> it's the example IMEI from wikipedia
Dec 21 11:02:06 <DocScrutinizer> NOT VALID
Dec 21 11:02:21 <DocScrutinizer> thnx again :-S
Dec 21 11:02:39 <kerio> DocScrutinizer: 1337133713371337
Dec 21 11:02:48 <DocScrutinizer> FSCKOFF
Dec 21 11:03:10 <kerio> DEADBEEFDEADBEEF
Dec 21 11:05:17 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: not happy at all
Dec 21 11:05:21 <DocScrutinizer> NOTE: Always flash the eMMC image first, then the FIASCO image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image! When flashing eMMC always also flash FIASCO rootfs - NEVER boot the device between the two flashes.
Dec 21 11:05:33 <DocScrutinizer> ooh sorry
Dec 21 11:05:37 <DocScrutinizer> yes,
Dec 21 11:05:45 <DocScrutinizer> let me reread
Dec 21 11:05:58 <crashanddie> kerio, 0xA 0xBAD 0xBABE 0xFEED 0xFACE 0xBEDDED 0xDEED with 0xDECAF into 0xFADED 0xDEFACED 0xFACADE
Dec 21 11:06:16 <DocScrutinizer> ok, yes
Dec 21 11:06:25 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: many thanks :-)
Dec 21 11:07:59 <DocScrutinizer> fine :-D
Dec 21 11:08:04 * DocScrutinizer happy camper
Dec 21 11:09:39 <DocScrutinizer> 0xC0FFEE
Dec 21 11:11:32 * DocScrutinizer wonders idly how to install a token for permanent access to the download page
Dec 21 11:11:50 <DocScrutinizer> this IMEI shit is a pita
Dec 21 11:12:20 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: How ofter would you need to access it anyway? :)
Dec 21 11:12:38 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: Just download everything and keep it locally?
Dec 21 11:12:42 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, that's what I thought the first time I had to go there
Dec 21 11:13:08 <dneary> DocScrutinizerExercise: write a shell script to find all words containing only the letters ABCDEFOIS in /etc/dict
Dec 21 11:13:48 <DocScrutinizer> meanwhile I'm pondering scriots to automate flashing, incl download of most recent img via wget, and it isn't exactly easy to implement :-P
Dec 21 11:14:22 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: Sure it is, just POST the imei direcly to the download link of the file.
Dec 21 11:14:24 <DocScrutinizer> dneary: what for?
Dec 21 11:14:32 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: It is just a html form, it is not hard :)
Dec 21 11:14:44 <dneary> DocScrutinizer: You seemed to be looking for hex words
Dec 21 11:14:56 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, prolly not. Just I'm no HTML dude
Dec 21 11:14:59 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
Dec 21 11:15:09 <dneary> DocScrutinizer: Just did it...
Dec 21 11:15:18 <DocScrutinizer> dneary: me? wasn't that kerio?
Dec 21 11:15:24 <dneary> 0x5EA51DE5
Dec 21 11:15:38 <dneary> Yeah - kerio, crashanddie too
Dec 21 11:15:53 <dneary> 0x0551F1ED
Dec 21 11:15:54 <DocScrutinizer> dneary: I only said 0xCOFFEE after kerio spammed me with that
Dec 21 11:16:08 <kerio> 0xBACON
Dec 21 11:16:10 <dneary> He is 0x0B5E55ED
Dec 21 11:16:20 <dneary> :)
Dec 21 11:16:29 <dneary> grep '^[abcdefois]\{1,\}$' /usr/share/dict/word
Dec 21 11:16:47 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, it's easy
Dec 21 11:16:51 <crashanddie> ois <-- weak
Dec 21 11:16:54 <dneary> And s/1/any number you want to increase min word length
Dec 21 11:17:03 <dneary> crashanddie, Drop em then
Dec 21 11:17:11 <kerio> oisz
Dec 21 11:17:17 <dneary> Z>
Dec 21 11:17:19 <dneary> Z?
Dec 21 11:17:25 <dneary> Which number is Z?
Dec 21 11:17:29 <crashanddie> 7_
Dec 21 11:17:47 <dneary> O=0, I=1, S=5
Dec 21 11:17:54 <dneary> Ah, no
Dec 21 11:17:58 <dneary> That's weaker
Dec 21 11:18:07 <dneary> That's like using 4 instead of H
Dec 21 11:18:43 <DocScrutinizer> dneary: you can even use that cmdline tool I miss the name of until my coffee is finally ready and ingested, to substitute s/5 o/0 etc
Dec 21 11:18:55 <dneary> The longest ones are EFFACED, DEFACED,  ACCEDED
Dec 21 11:19:26 <DocScrutinizer> ACCE55ED
Dec 21 11:19:51 <dneary> It's a 0xFACADE
Dec 21 11:20:03 <dneary> (OK, this is clearly off topic now)
Dec 21 11:20:46 <kerio> Z = 2
Dec 21 11:20:47 <kerio> duh
Dec 21 11:21:02 <jacekowski> 0xDEADBEEF
Dec 21 11:21:56 <dneary> jacekowski, deadbeef in't int' dicshunry
Dec 21 11:22:11 <jacekowski> dneary: woot?
Dec 21 11:22:13 <jacekowski> english man
Dec 21 11:22:15 <jacekowski> speak english
Dec 21 11:22:30 <dneary> jacekowski, Oui monsieur
Dec 21 11:22:51 <kerio> you can combine any two 4-letter words into a 32-bit int
Dec 21 11:23:08 <crashanddie>  ▲
Dec 21 11:23:31 <crashanddie> ▲ ▲
Dec 21 11:23:57 <kerio> ▲
Dec 21 11:23:58 <kerio> ▲ ▲
Dec 21 11:24:00 <dneary> jacekowski, deadbeef ∉ {Words in the english language}
Dec 21 11:24:01 <kerio> did i do it right?
Dec 21 11:24:17 <dneary> kerio, Really?
Dec 21 11:24:30 <jacekowski> kerio: newfag
Dec 21 11:24:34 <jacekowski> kerio: can't triforce
Dec 21 11:24:35 <dneary> kerio, How about zero and four?
Dec 21 11:24:51 <dneary> kerio, Which 32 bit word can you make out of them?
Dec 21 11:25:00 <dneary> 32 bit int, sorry
Dec 21 11:25:14 <dneary> (I guess 40, if you're being a smartarse)
Dec 21 11:25:30 <kerio> dneary: i meant word as in "word with only abcdefoisz"
Dec 21 11:25:34 <kerio> also yeah, 40 :)
Dec 21 11:25:35 <kerio> or 04
Dec 21 11:25:46 <crashanddie> kerio, 011001100110111101101111011000100110000101110010
Dec 21 11:26:16 <dneary> kerio, Ah, so there was an unstated qualifier. That clears things up
Dec 21 11:27:03 <kerio> and *i* am the smartarse?
Dec 21 11:27:41 <crashanddie> dneary, bonus points if you manage to recite dearest creature in creation without stuttering when it's written in hex
Dec 21 11:29:19 <Khertan_> Jaffa: but ... hum ... it s javascript ? does there are developpers which want to leave their language (c/c++/python/ruby/...) for this abomination ?
Dec 21 11:29:32 <crashanddie> dneary, when's the last time you read it? http://www.hep.wisc.edu/~jnb/charivarius.html
Dec 21 11:29:49 <dneary> crashanddie, Never
Dec 21 11:30:17 <crashanddie> dneary, then please do, out loud, quite a tongue twister and humbler
Dec 21 11:30:21 <DocScrutinizer> eh, I see you guys having fun while I prepared my 0xC0FFEE :-D
Dec 21 11:30:32 <Jaffa> Khertan_: No, the action code & expressions are JavaScript syntax (AFAIK); and you can call into methods/signals on Python & C++ objects.
Dec 21 11:31:32 <dneary> crashanddie, This verse doesn't make sense
Dec 21 11:31:40 <dneary> Made has not the sound of bade,
Dec 21 11:31:40 <dneary> Say said, pay-paid, laid, but plaid.
Dec 21 11:33:05 * DocScrutinizer renames channel to #dadaism
Dec 21 11:33:11 <crashanddie> dneary, why not?
Dec 21 11:34:02 <crashanddie> Maid has not the sound of baid, say sed, pai-paid, laid, but pled
Dec 21 11:35:28 <dneary> Made & bade have the same sound
Dec 21 11:35:57 <dneary> And plaid is pronounced plade
Dec 21 11:36:00 <crashanddie> or in phonetic: 'meid hez 'nat de 'saund ev 'baed, 'sei 'sed 'pei 'peid 'leid bet 'plaed
Dec 21 11:36:04 <dneary> as in "pladd"
Dec 21 11:36:16 <dneary> And doesn't rhyme with bade
Dec 21 11:36:20 <Khertan_> Jaffa: so i've just to hope that they ll maintain qwidget in futur ... and not force to switch to that things for mobile
Dec 21 11:36:49 <crashanddie> dneary, I'd write it in phonetic alphabet, sadly don't have the right keyboard with me
Dec 21 11:38:34 <dneary> crashanddie, Cute
Dec 21 11:38:45 <dneary> Never seen it before
Dec 21 11:38:57 <dneary> And some of the words have regional pronunciation variants
Dec 21 11:39:02 <dneary> Like book
Dec 21 11:39:16 <dneary> in Ireland, there are regions where book rhymes with luke
Dec 21 11:39:30 <dneary> And others where it rhymes with luck
Dec 21 11:40:33 <Jaffa> Khertan_: QWidget already performs badly on non-Maemo 5 systems in terms of integration.
Dec 21 11:43:41 <Khertan_> Jaffa: qml will be worse from what i see for portability !
Dec 21 11:44:15 <Khertan_> Jaffa: do one graphical interface by targetted plateform ... it s a giant back steip
Dec 21 11:44:20 <Khertan_> s/steip/step
Dec 21 11:46:06 <flux> khertan_, are you worried about fixed locations user in ui?
Dec 21 11:46:37 <pexi> support for maemo? http://www.wakemate.com/
Dec 21 11:46:45 <crashanddie> dneary, 'meɪd həz 'nɐt d̪ə 'saʊnd əv 'bæd
Dec 21 11:47:07 <dneary> crashanddie, if you say so :)
Dec 21 11:47:11 <crashanddie> that's not entirely correct though
Dec 21 11:47:24 <crashanddie> couldn't find the character for "d"
Dec 21 11:47:30 <crashanddie> (it's a d with a little cross on top)
Dec 21 11:50:05 <Khertan_> flux: the problem is more the integration with the plateform
Dec 21 11:50:28 <Khertan_> flux: require to do a specific interface for each targetted plateform
Dec 21 11:50:36 <Khertan_> where it was a advantage of Qt
Dec 21 11:52:36 <Ex-Opesa> Hello. What is smart reflex? It is somehow related to power of CPU I think. But I would like to know more.
Dec 21 11:54:04 <flux> ex-opesa, perhaps ti's website could be of help?
Dec 21 11:54:57 <Ex-Opesa> Don't tell me its this? :S http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12032&contentId=4609
Dec 21 11:55:07 <RobbieThe1st_> Ex-Opesa: I'm wondering the same thing myself - It's some sort of underclocking mechanism, and it doesn't work too well with Power Kernel/OCing
Dec 21 11:55:45 <RobbieThe1st_> I think it ignores the custom voltage profiles, at the very least
Dec 21 11:56:08 <Ex-Opesa> I don't wan to OC any device. I just wanted to know "if" its for reducing power, etc then why it is disabled by Nokia in n900.
Dec 21 11:56:25 <RobbieThe1st_> Because it can make things unstable
Dec 21 11:56:40 <Khertan_> Ex-Opesa: disabled as it seems unstable
Dec 21 11:57:10 <Ex-Opesa> SIrs, its still unstable with latest firmware which is 20.x something?
Dec 21 11:57:20 <Ex-Opesa> maemo 20.x I mean
Dec 21 11:57:30 <RobbieThe1st_> You can enable it if you want; either: 1,it will work for you nicely. 2, it will give little errors and act like you've got glitched software, or 3, it'll just crash
Dec 21 11:57:59 <RobbieThe1st_> Honestly, it's going to depend on a per-chip basis; a better sample may work fine. A poorer one may not
Dec 21 11:59:01 <Ex-Opesa> RobbieThe1st_, Ah! Okay then I will enable it and try.
Dec 21 11:59:13 <Ex-Opesa> Thank you Khertan_, RobbieThe1st_, flux.
Dec 21 12:00:09 <RobbieThe1st_> Be warned, however, that if you experience glitches, disable it - Don't complain about them
Dec 21 12:01:30 <Ex-Opesa> Okay. I don't think I will be using nano or anything for editing files. I think QCPUFreq will do the job?
Dec 21 12:02:11 <RobbieThe1st_> No clue. I just use vi
Dec 21 12:02:34 <Jaffa> Khertan_: Agreed, but I can see the advantages of QML - and Qt Designer 2.1's support for it is pretty damned ace.
Dec 21 12:05:06 <Ex-Opesa> RobbieThe1st_, Okay. What about main menu icons of applications? I have much applications installed and a folder to put them in would be nice. Is there any short program for this or I will have to go throught http://wiki.maemo.org/Application_menu ?
Dec 21 12:05:20 <RobbieThe1st_> ApMeFo
Dec 21 12:05:46 <RobbieThe1st_> It's in devel, maybe in extras as well
Dec 21 12:06:44 <Ex-Opesa> Oh nice! Can you guide me through one more thing? Is there any program for SMB/Windows share mounting for maemo? Which will be permanent?
Dec 21 12:07:12 <RobbieThe1st_> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53252
Dec 21 12:09:36 <Ex-Opesa> Thanks I will try wizard mounter. It got GUI. ^
Dec 21 12:46:04 <crashanddie> haha
Dec 21 12:46:14 <crashanddie> op in #git tried to ban a troll
Dec 21 12:46:44 <crashanddie> he ended up making the channel invisible, invite only, and banning any user called #git
Dec 21 12:47:22 <lcuk> so he tried to block someone and made a mistake, better than not trying at all :)
Dec 21 12:47:53 <crashanddie> indeed
Dec 21 12:47:58 <crashanddie> but pretty funny still :)
Dec 21 12:48:28 <lcuk> yeah :D like at college
Dec 21 12:48:34 <lcuk> there was proxy blocking software
Dec 21 12:48:57 <lcuk> and the admins managed to block everything with w in the url or something equally silly
Dec 21 12:56:18 <crashanddie> heh, same here
Dec 21 12:56:32 <crashanddie> At college, the admins were pissed off we SSH'd to other boxes and bypassed the proxies
Dec 21 12:56:39 <crashanddie> so they decided they'd block all SSH traffic
Dec 21 12:56:44 <crashanddie> and I do mean... ALL
Dec 21 12:57:27 <crashanddie> they spent about 2 weeks trying to get access to the firewalls again
Dec 21 12:57:52 <flashn> nowadays you proxy everything through port 80 anyway >:)
Dec 21 12:57:53 <alterego> Hahah
Dec 21 12:57:59 <flashn> by default
Dec 21 13:05:26 <marmoute> timeless_mbp: did you lunched ?
Dec 21 13:05:43 <timeless_mbp> yes
Dec 21 13:05:46 <timeless_mbp> thanks :)
Dec 21 13:05:59 <timeless_mbp> actually, i missed the cafeteria line and got a salad
Dec 21 13:06:04 <timeless_mbp> so i was actually a minute late
Dec 21 13:42:14 * GAN900 wonders who keeps thumbing mwkn
Dec 21 13:46:52 <alterego> You? :P
Dec 21 13:47:06 <alterego> Why, is there something up with mwkn?
Dec 21 13:52:39 <Khertan_> GAN900: thumb up or down ?
Dec 21 13:53:32 <Khertan_> GAN900: i suspect some thumbs (up or down) are done by spam bot
Dec 21 13:53:53 <lardman> if anyone's bored, I could do with some help debugging why I can't decode an image from file while I can from the video stream (mBarcode)
Dec 21 13:54:10 <crashanddie> code?
Dec 21 13:55:01 <lardman> https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/mbarcode-qt/maemobarcodewindow.cpp?root=maemo-barcode&view=markup
Dec 21 13:55:28 <lardman> void MaemoBarcodeWindow::OpenAndScanImage()  l517
Dec 21 13:55:54 <lardman> the calls then go into here: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/mbarcode-qt/barcodedetector.cpp?root=maemo-barcode&view=markup
Dec 21 13:56:52 <alterego> nyurgh, snowing again
Dec 21 13:57:07 <lardman> is melting here from the looks of it
Dec 21 13:57:12 <lardman> still cold though
Dec 21 13:58:53 <crashanddie> lardman, are you sure your padding code is correct?
Dec 21 13:59:13 <crashanddie> if(img.bytesPerLine() == bpp/8*img.width()){
Dec 21 13:59:13 <lardman> yes
Dec 21 13:59:18 <crashanddie> int remainingBytes = img.bytesPerLine()-bpp/8*img.width();
Dec 21 13:59:25 <crashanddie> while( ( padding*bpp/8 - remainingBytes) % 4)
Dec 21 13:59:46 <lardman> it works
Dec 21 14:00:01 <lardman> otherwise the image file generated later on would come out skewed
Dec 21 14:00:07 <crashanddie> what if img.bytesPerLine() is < (bpp / 8 * img.width())
Dec 21 14:00:16 <lardman> it can't be
Dec 21 14:00:20 <tybollt> nookla selling windows phones?
Dec 21 14:00:21 <crashanddie> ok
Dec 21 14:00:31 <tybollt> anything to those rumours or just plain ol hogwash?
Dec 21 14:00:41 <crashanddie> hogwash, I'd say
Dec 21 14:00:53 <tybollt> th
Dec 21 14:01:09 <tybollt> the russian bastard is apparently speculating at it
Dec 21 14:01:29 <HRH_H_Crab> maybe im missing something and someone can help, but there seems to be some really strange behaviour with the metadata tracker thing. i have some flacs which make up an album. the other day it was showing up fine in media player. since then ive formatted my mmc card to make way for android and when i copied them over they don't show up.
Dec 21 14:01:37 <HRH_H_Crab> i can play them via the file browser,
Dec 21 14:01:51 <HRH_H_Crab> and if i make an m3u playlist that shows up in imported playlists,
Dec 21 14:01:57 <tybollt> crashie: Also... any news on next meego/maemo phone/hw?
Dec 21 14:02:02 <HRH_H_Crab> but its really strange how sometimes they work and sometimes they dont.
Dec 21 14:02:14 <HRH_H_Crab> ive tried tracker-processes -r / --hard-reset etc...
Dec 21 14:02:30 <crashanddie> tybollt, it'll be awesome, but too late
Dec 21 14:02:58 <tybollt> crashanddie: ;-/
Dec 21 14:03:02 <crashanddie> lardman, how big (in resolution) is the image on disk compared with what you get from camera?
Dec 21 14:03:20 * alterego thinks gitorious is a bit screwy at the moment.
Dec 21 14:03:28 <crashanddie> why?
Dec 21 14:03:30 <lardman> it's bigger ~429x429 vs 400*240
Dec 21 14:03:49 <crashanddie> lardman, ok, but not significant -- I thought maybe timeout or something
Dec 21 14:03:54 <lardman> but I've tried scaling to different resolutions before sending the buffer over and it didn't do anything
Dec 21 14:04:52 <lardman> It's quite annoying as I'm grabbing the data saved in the decoder thread buffer and it can be read by zbarimg
Dec 21 14:05:14 <lardman> and it looks identical format-wise to that coming though the camera pipeline
Dec 21 14:05:16 <crashanddie> lardman, where exactly is the problem happening?
Dec 21 14:05:18 <alterego> "Nokia employees destroy phones" - That sounds like a fun thread in the making
Dec 21 14:05:32 <crashanddie> lardman, I mean, up to where do you see it behaving properly?
Dec 21 14:05:36 <lardman> crashanddie:  the problem is that no barcodes ever get decoded from file
Dec 21 14:05:50 <lardman> ah, well using the camera to look at a barcode image works fine
Dec 21 14:05:53 <crashanddie> lardman, but it seems to analyse the file as usual?
Dec 21 14:06:04 <lardman> yes
Dec 21 14:06:09 <crashanddie> lardman, takes the same amount of time?
Dec 21 14:06:16 <lardman> hard to tell
Dec 21 14:06:21 <crashanddie> take a picture?
Dec 21 14:06:49 <lardman> ?
Dec 21 14:07:08 <lardman> decode process takes ~1/30s
Dec 21 14:07:14 <GAN900> I'm sorry, but why shouldn't a thread title "N900 - Yes it sucks" be locked. . . .
Dec 21 14:07:31 <jpinx-eeepc> is there any way to turn off the phone functions and keep the OS running in the n900?
Dec 21 14:07:44 <lardman> jpinx-eeepc: flight mode?
Dec 21 14:07:59 <jpinx-eeepc> lardman: where do I find that in the menus?
Dec 21 14:08:15 <lardman> power button menu
Dec 21 14:08:33 <lcuk> "offline mode"
Dec 21 14:08:44 <jpinx-eeepc> :) thanks
Dec 21 14:08:49 <lcuk> angry birds question (for tracy)
Dec 21 14:08:58 <lcuk> she bought all the level packs (the adict she is)
Dec 21 14:09:08 <lcuk> but cannot get past level 21 on the ui
Dec 21 14:09:22 <lcuk> how does she activate the extra levels from 22-45
Dec 21 14:09:44 <lcuk> (for instance, description for level pack 4 says 45 levels, but ui only shows first 21)
Dec 21 14:09:55 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer,
Dec 21 14:09:58 <ZogG> pingo
Dec 21 14:10:14 <DocScrutinizer> wazzup?
Dec 21 14:10:22 <ZogG> sup sup
Dec 21 14:10:31 <nidO> lcuk: scroll right?
Dec 21 14:10:36 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=901253#post901253
Dec 21 14:10:41 <ZogG> what you would say now?
Dec 21 14:10:51 <ZogG> read whole thread.
Dec 21 14:11:00 <ZogG> i mean all his first 3 posts
Dec 21 14:11:16 <crashanddie> lardman, can you give me an example of the padding value?
Dec 21 14:11:38 <lcuk> nidO, nope, mouse press causes level to open and no scrolling mechanism or ui hints are there
Dec 21 14:12:12 <lardman> for img.width()==429 and bpp=24 the padding value would be 3 pixels
Dec 21 14:13:21 <crashanddie> lardman, what's the img.bytesPerLine() value for that?
Dec 21 14:13:31 <DocScrutinizer> ZogG: looks cool
Dec 21 14:13:35 <lardman> that's the stride
Dec 21 14:13:52 <lardman> QImage aligns each scanline of its buffer on 32bit boundaries
Dec 21 14:13:58 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer that's the same thing i was talking about last time, you told it's useless =)
Dec 21 14:14:14 <crashanddie> lardman, English
Dec 21 14:14:21 <ZogG> in soviet russian some people are got crazy =)
Dec 21 14:14:29 <lardman> each line of the image starts on a 32bit boundary
Dec 21 14:14:57 <ZogG> there is one guy who dicede to take 1% of all products that can contain data(cd, mp3, hdd and so on)
Dec 21 14:15:09 <lardman> so if the length of the line is not a round number of 32bits, it jumps and starts the next line with a gap#
Dec 21 14:15:25 <DocScrutinizer> ZogG: it's useless if it just duplicates dbus-scripts. Now I read it tries to stay compatible to dbus-scripts (kinda) and offer superior functionality. That's a completely different story
Dec 21 14:15:29 <ZogG> he is head of the cinematographic organization and he was approved
Dec 21 14:15:33 <crashanddie> lardman, I understood that, but you're getting img.bytesPerLine(), right?
Dec 21 14:15:51 <ZogG> now he wants 1% of smartphones from Nokia, HTC and Samsung =)
Dec 21 14:16:22 <lardman> crashanddie: yes, that includes the padding to make the line a multiple of 32bits
Dec 21 14:16:33 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer told you it can do better i'm just too stupid to explain and understand, as never used cron and don't know it's scripting =)
Dec 21 14:16:50 <ZogG> RST38h, have you heard about Mihalkov?
Dec 21 14:17:07 <DocScrutinizer> wel, the cron reference actually is the worst of it :-) it got nothing to do with cron
Dec 21 14:17:28 <DocScrutinizer> but there are quite a flock of other oddly named apps :-D
Dec 21 14:17:35 <crashanddie> lardman, ok, thanks
Dec 21 14:17:36 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer ooops i mean d-bus
Dec 21 14:17:37 <ZogG> sorry
Dec 21 14:17:46 <ZogG> cronbus cofused me with it name )
Dec 21 14:18:17 * ZogG is officially stupid now, go on laught at him
Dec 21 14:18:31 <crashanddie> lardman, so padding = 3, width = 429, and bpp = 24?
Dec 21 14:18:46 <lardman> yep
Dec 21 14:18:59 <lardman> for a particular file that I was testing anyway
Dec 21 14:19:02 <crashanddie> so bytesPerLine = (24 / 8) * 429 + 3
Dec 21 14:19:12 <lardman> no
Dec 21 14:19:31 <lardman> bytesPerLine is padded to the nearest 32bit multiple
Dec 21 14:20:20 <lardman> but my padding is designed so that I pad a round number of pixels, so that I meet the requirement of QImage that the buffer stride be multiples of 32bits and also of the decoder that there be no gaps between lines
Dec 21 14:25:29 <alterego> Bloody annoying how QtNetwork hooks directly into icd :/
Dec 21 14:25:38 <alterego> Especially when you're creating a local socket ..
Dec 21 14:26:18 <crashanddie> lardman, so at best you only pad by 4, right?
Dec 21 14:27:00 <lcuk> re: angry birds problem, it appears tracy the angry bird never updated her system
Dec 21 14:27:21 <lcuk> ie, problem sorted, she has a 135 levels to keep her occupied
Dec 21 14:28:00 <lardman> crashanddie: depends on the bpp
Dec 21 14:28:31 <lardman> but yeah at best no padding, at worst something like 3 pixels
Dec 21 14:28:54 <pupnik> http://i.imgur.com/JO1om.jpg  snes on archos @ 1ghz  :D
Dec 21 14:29:19 <crashanddie> lardman, well, yeah, at 32 bpp, you wouldn't actually pad ever
Dec 21 14:29:25 <tybollt> is there a meego based lap- or net-book out there in the stores now? Otherwise why the hell are they launching meego adverts even prior to a finished product? :S
Dec 21 14:30:04 <crashanddie> lardman, and at 16bpp, you would either pad 2, or 0, and at 8bpp, you would pad 4 max
Dec 21 14:30:05 <crashanddie> correct?
Dec 21 14:31:00 <lardman> 3 max
Dec 21 14:31:20 <crashanddie> yeah, sorry, meant "4 values of padding, [0-3]"
Dec 21 14:31:41 <lardman> it would be 3 padded pixels of 8 bits max
Dec 21 14:31:47 <crashanddie> k
Dec 21 14:31:49 * toresbe just dropped his N900 into a cup of coffee :(
Dec 21 14:32:02 <crashanddie> lardman, but you always pad 8 bits
Dec 21 14:32:27 <lardman> no, I pad by pixel, so each padding value has bpp bits
Dec 21 14:32:36 <crashanddie> k
Dec 21 14:32:44 <lardman> but yeah that's the general idea
Dec 21 14:32:57 <lardman> I think that code is fine tbh, the QImage which is saved later looks fine
Dec 21 14:33:11 <lardman> it ends up with a black line on the far rhs if it's been padded
Dec 21 14:33:15 <lardman> as expected
Dec 21 14:33:31 <crashanddie> sure, I was just double checking
Dec 21 14:33:45 <crashanddie> I can't always tell the difference between a 2px line and a 3px one ;)
Dec 21 14:33:51 <lardman> no worries, good to have someone ask the questions and make sure I got it right :)
Dec 21 14:34:49 <crashanddie> dude
Dec 21 14:34:57 <crashanddie> for (int i=0....
Dec 21 14:35:04 <crashanddie>     for (int i=0...
Dec 21 14:35:28 <lardman> yeah should change the naming, but it probably doesn't matter
Dec 21 14:36:46 <lardman> value isn't used and you can't override the loop iterator afaik
Dec 21 14:36:56 <lardman> but yes thanks for spotting the poor code
Dec 21 14:37:36 <DocScrutinizer> toresbe: IMMEDIATELY REMOVE BATTERY
Dec 21 14:37:56 <kerio> toresbe: keep using it like a boss
Dec 21 14:38:05 <kerio> especially if it's burning your hand because of the coffee
Dec 21 14:38:18 <crashanddie> what does img.constScanLine(i) do inmemcpy(pos, img.constScanLine(i), img.width()*bpp/8); //img.bytesPerLine()
Dec 21 14:39:47 <lardman> that's the pointer to the start of the data in a given scanline in a QImage
Dec 21 14:40:25 <lardman> so I iterate thought scanlines, memcpy them, pad if necessary, goto 1:
Dec 21 14:40:31 <crashanddie> aye
Dec 21 14:42:27 <crashanddie> lardman, I don't get it
Dec 21 14:42:36 <lardman> what?
Dec 21 14:42:41 <crashanddie> well, the bug
Dec 21 14:42:50 <lardman> nor do I
Dec 21 14:43:17 <crashanddie> could it be in analyseImage()
Dec 21 14:43:20 <crashanddie> ?
Dec 21 14:43:42 <lardman> I think not, the data going in is the same format, not really anything to go wrong
Dec 21 14:43:50 <lardman> but really I'm open to any thoughts
Dec 21 14:44:42 <crashanddie> lardman, how big is the DMTX thread buffer?
Dec 21 14:44:52 <lardman> big enough
Dec 21 14:44:56 <lardman> 800x480
Dec 21 14:45:10 <lardman> though yes I should add a check in there to prevent too much data being written to it
Dec 21 14:45:26 <lardman> 800x480x32bpp in fact
Dec 21 14:46:27 <DocScrutinizer> toresbe: if you want to keep your N900, instead of binning it, you MUST remove the battery, thoroughly shake out all fluid, KEEP BATTERY REMOVED (don't insert to try if device works!), then - depending if the coffee was with shugar and|or milk, or if it was black pure coffee - either dry the N900 for AT LEAST 2 WEEKS in a dry warm place (PC fan), or even take it to service (or do that yourself) so they disassemble the device and CLEAN and
Dec 21 14:46:28 <DocScrutinizer> dry it (milk and sugar won't ever dry properly, you need to rinse the PCB and kbd etc)
Dec 21 14:47:08 <crashanddie> I had an american beer fall over my macbook pro about one week after I bought it
Dec 21 14:47:24 <crashanddie> I just held the laptop on the side (while running) for a bit, never had any issues
Dec 21 14:47:37 <pupnik> close enough to water eh?
Dec 21 14:47:49 <crashanddie> pupnik, distilled :D
Dec 21 14:47:54 <lcuk> crashanddie, not unusual, american beer is so much like water it wouldnt corrode things
Dec 21 14:48:27 * lcuk types slower than pupnik 
Dec 21 14:48:33 <crashanddie> lardman, sorry, I don't see anything obvious, your code seems sane... Did you run it through a real debugger?
Dec 21 14:48:37 <pupnik> it was a set-up joke, lcuk
Dec 21 14:48:59 <lardman> crashanddie: it doesn't crash, it's just that it doesn't detect a barcode in an image that I know can be decoded
Dec 21 14:49:22 <crashanddie> I got that
Dec 21 14:49:36 <crashanddie> but you should be able to profile your threads in a way to discover where the "decisions" start changing
Dec 21 14:49:41 <lardman> I guess I'll have to do some debugging of the decoder threads, which is a pita
Dec 21 14:49:49 <DocScrutinizer> yeah
Dec 21 14:49:49 <RST38h> evening, lardman, pupnik, lcuk, crash
Dec 21 14:49:53 <RST38h> Doc too
Dec 21 14:49:55 <toresbe> DocScrutinizer: I cleansed it out with water. I'm going to go over it with isopropanol. I also immediately removed the battery, rinsed it with water, and dried it off.
Dec 21 14:49:55 <lardman> hi RST38h
Dec 21 14:50:00 <RST38h> Anything I have missed since this morning?
Dec 21 14:50:18 <MohammadAG> aww, my phone operator (or whatever they're called) thought about replacing the phone lines just to fuck with me
Dec 21 14:50:24 <RST38h> Any Qt-on-WP7 annuoncements? =)
Dec 21 14:50:24 <pupnik> hey not really
Dec 21 14:50:26 <lardman> crashanddie: ok, I'd hoped you'd spot something glaringly obvious, but alas no, I shall get debugging
Dec 21 14:50:28 <MohammadAG> 7 damn hours
Dec 21 14:50:35 <lardman> crashanddie: thanks for looking :)
Dec 21 14:50:54 <crashanddie> anyway, lardman, after trying to debug some image handling code, I'll now go debug VoIP handling code
Dec 21 14:51:06 <RST38h> MohammadAG: Wait until someone comes to replace the plumbing. You will remember the phone people with affection
Dec 21 14:51:10 * MohammadAG wonders how to put two lists in a QMaemo5ValueButton
Dec 21 14:51:14 <DocScrutinizer> toresbe: don't work sloppy on the drying part. It NEEDS weeks to dry, and you'll break the device if you insert battery too early
Dec 21 14:51:24 <lardman> crashanddie: reduction of 1D, should be easier ;)
Dec 21 14:51:28 <MohammadAG> alterego, any chances you know how? :P
Dec 21 14:51:31 <MohammadAG> RST38h, lol
Dec 21 14:51:41 <alterego> MohammadAG: answering your question yesterday, I'm cleaning it up now and will package and upload tomorrow.
Dec 21 14:51:45 <crashanddie> lardman, nha, this is way worse than 1D
Dec 21 14:52:05 <alterego> MohammadAG: what do you mean two lists?
Dec 21 14:52:13 <MohammadAG> and my question today? :P
Dec 21 14:52:16 <alterego> Do you mean multiple lists like the time selector?
Dec 21 14:52:24 <crashanddie> lardman, we have multi-synchronised conferences (people who join a conference at moment t() + x need to hear everything a tiny bit accelerated so they can be in synch within y seconds)
Dec 21 14:52:28 <MohammadAG> QMaemo5ListPickSelector or whatever it is
Dec 21 14:52:34 <alterego> Yes
Dec 21 14:52:39 <SpeedEvil> weeks to dry or a day or so at 60C. But, make sure it's actually at 60C, much more can damage, much less may risk it not drying
Dec 21 14:53:05 <toresbe> I'm still going over it with isopropanol to clean the PCBs..
Dec 21 14:54:18 <SpeedEvil> fair enough
Dec 21 14:54:22 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Dec 21 14:54:54 <MohammadAG> alterego, by the end of next year, I might have all of hildon in Qt :P http://i52.tinypic.com/b4aqg4.jpg
Dec 21 14:55:02 <DocScrutinizer> iso will also dilute the water, so drying will be faster. But again: don't gamble! electrolytic corrosion is nasty
Dec 21 14:55:08 <hahlo> is diablo still newest for  n8x0? any debian or community releases?
Dec 21 14:55:12 <MohammadAG> I just need to make two lists
Dec 21 14:55:42 <lardman> crashanddie: hmm, sounds fun :)
Dec 21 14:56:09 <alterego> MohammadAG: you're going to need to subclass some pick selector and implement it yourself.
Dec 21 14:56:35 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: that doesn't sound right. one QMaemo5ListPickSelector can only handle one list
Dec 21 14:56:43 <MohammadAG> alterego, sigh, why can't I just include three layouts each with a selector :/
Dec 21 14:57:05 <MohammadAG> (and the last with a QDialogButtonBox)
Dec 21 14:57:28 <alterego> Try it
Dec 21 14:58:33 <MohammadAG> I doubt the QMaemo5ValueButton will get the values from the two pick selectors
Dec 21 14:58:38 <MohammadAG> meh
Dec 21 14:59:39 * DocScrutinizer in vain tries to imagine what's the design causing the problem
Dec 21 15:02:52 <tybollt> < crashanddie> I had an american beer fall over my ...
Dec 21 15:03:04 <tybollt> crashanddie: you openly ADMIT to drinking that stuff? :)
Dec 21 15:04:09 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: moin
Dec 21 15:04:45 <javispedro> morning
Dec 21 15:04:52 <RST38h> moorning javispedro
Dec 21 15:04:54 <alterego> MohammadAG: funnily enough I'm trying to hack QMaemo5ValueButton right now as well ;)
Dec 21 15:04:56 <crashanddie> tybollt, well... I didn't buy it?
Dec 21 15:05:08 <alterego> But I'm trying to make the text blue when you don't use a pick selector.
Dec 21 15:09:14 <alterego> It's proving to be a bit of a bitch ..
Dec 21 15:14:17 * alterego gives up
Dec 21 15:14:22 * lardman too
Dec 21 15:17:13 * lardman also has to reboot to do some MATLAB
Dec 21 15:17:14 <lardman> bbl
Dec 21 15:17:34 <RST38h> MATLAB: The Operating System !
Dec 21 15:19:20 <Choom> hmm
Dec 21 15:19:28 <Choom> is there a syslog in maemo?
Dec 21 15:19:40 <Choom> or better yet
Dec 21 15:19:46 <Choom> where do syslog messages go in maemo?
Dec 21 15:19:49 <javispedro> http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/syslog
Dec 21 15:26:37 <dneary> X-Fade, I think I have a solution
Dec 21 15:26:47 <dneary> X-Fade, If you can update the CSS again...
Dec 21 15:28:57 <Choom> javispedro: thanks
Dec 21 15:32:37 <PaulyN900> hi  eedd help
Dec 21 15:33:35 <tybollt> crashanddie: =)
Dec 21 15:34:42 <mikki-kun> what makes you n900 way faster? ahh yeah dsl 50 k :D
Dec 21 15:37:55 <GAN900> dneary, did you break Planet?
Dec 21 15:38:09 <dneary> GAN900, That's a funny question...
Dec 21 15:38:18 <dneary> GAN900, Could you elaborate, please?
Dec 21 15:38:51 <dneary> Start with when, then what.
Dec 21 15:39:11 <SpeedEvil> 'One of you in this room killed Planet'
Dec 21 15:39:19 <SpeedEvil> (in a belgian accent)
Dec 21 15:40:22 <dneary> SpeedEvil, That would be "zis"
Dec 21 15:40:45 <dneary> GAN900, So - what I'm getting at: are you referring to changes made last week, or today?
Dec 21 15:41:11 <tybollt> one of you in zis ruum killed ze planet
Dec 21 15:43:05 <GAN900> dneary, the stylesheets went a little wonky a few days ago.
Dec 21 15:43:21 <dneary> GAN900, Then you should force a reload of CSS today
Dec 21 15:43:27 <dneary> See if it's better for you
Dec 21 15:43:33 <dneary> GAN900, But yes, I did that
Dec 21 15:43:40 <dneary> Based on bug #10093
Dec 21 15:43:42 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/10093 Horizontal lines after level 1-2 headings in wiki.maemo.org
Dec 21 15:43:53 <dneary> I was merely the agent of Tim Samoff's recommendation
Dec 21 15:44:05 <dneary> Planet & news wonkiness was a side-effect of making the wiki better
Dec 21 15:44:06 <GAN900> Damn Tim
Dec 21 15:44:16 <dneary> Read the bug report
Dec 21 15:44:20 <dneary> it's worth it
Dec 21 15:44:39 <dneary> https://bugs.maemo.org/10093
Dec 21 15:44:40 <povbot> Bug 10093: Horizontal lines after level 1-2 headings in wiki.maemo.org
Dec 21 15:45:29 <dneary> I've basically reverted everything to where it was pre-wonkiness today, but only committed a few minutes ago, so the CSS isn't deployed yet
Dec 21 15:46:07 <Venemo> hey guys
Dec 21 15:51:47 <helloers> what to do with the n900 pulled a micro-sd connector?:Q
Dec 21 15:51:58 <Venemo> wut?
Dec 21 15:52:42 <alterego> wut?
Dec 21 15:53:08 <helloers> http://www.ubergizmo.com/photos/2010/2/n900-broke.jpg
Dec 21 15:56:48 <javispedro> "micro-sd"
Dec 21 15:56:57 <javispedro> wut!
Dec 21 15:57:11 <javispedro> microUSB, I think you mean :)
Dec 21 15:57:14 <Venemo> helloers: that seems like a microusb, not microsd
Dec 21 15:57:34 <Venemo> helloers: take it to a repair centre if you have warranty. if not, then you're screwed
Dec 21 15:57:59 <helloers> ah yes
Dec 21 15:58:04 <helloers> its micro-usb;d
Dec 21 15:58:07 <SpeedEvil> On a related matter.
Dec 21 15:58:25 <SpeedEvil> I have a n900 bought from nokia.co.luk november before last.
Dec 21 15:58:37 <SpeedEvil> I note that now, they say 'warranty 32 years' on the order page.
Dec 21 15:58:59 <SpeedEvil> Does anyone happen to recall if orders last year were also 2 years, or 1
Dec 21 15:59:00 <SpeedEvil> err
Dec 21 15:59:06 <SpeedEvil> 2 years, not 3
Dec 21 15:59:06 <SpeedEvil> 32
Dec 21 15:59:07 <nidO> theyre 2
Dec 21 15:59:15 <SpeedEvil> Great.
Dec 21 15:59:18 <nidO> nokia eu warranty has been 2 years for a long time
Dec 21 15:59:37 <mikki-kun> 32 years warranty is pretty long
Dec 21 15:59:49 <kerio> 0xFF years of warranty
Dec 21 16:00:11 <SpeedEvil> 0x20
Dec 21 16:00:13 <kerio> your grandson will be able to get assistance!
Dec 21 16:00:24 <kerio> hell, make that grandgrandson
Dec 21 16:00:36 * SpeedEvil at the moment lacks a cloning chamber, or other required items for that.
Dec 21 16:00:49 <kerio> SpeedEvil: hmm... a girlfriend?
Dec 21 16:01:20 <lcuk> i think a cloning chamber perhaps has better odds of happening
Dec 21 16:10:31 <PaulyN900> helllo
Dec 21 16:10:57 <PaulyN900> hi i need help
Dec 21 16:12:10 <PaulyN900> i have ext usb mouse and it works and everything but browsing with microb the mouse cursor goes away
Dec 21 16:12:39 <nze> hi, how can i display the saved wifi passwords?
Dec 21 16:12:54 <PaulyN900> ?
Dec 21 16:13:38 <nze> i know there's a command for that but i cant find that bloody thread..
Dec 21 16:18:37 <mikki-kun> mouse cursor is the packages name i think
Dec 21 16:18:46 <mikki-kun> i am checking :)
Dec 21 16:20:57 <mikki-kun> xorg-evdev-mouse seems the packages name... i am not really sure though with it's name
Dec 21 16:21:44 <mikki-kun> but i guess it servers what you are searchin for :)
Dec 21 16:58:33 <Tukeke> Xc0re, xD
Dec 21 16:58:34 <Tukeke> xD
Dec 21 16:58:41 <Xc0re> hola chamo
Dec 21 16:58:42 <Xc0re> XD
Dec 21 16:58:53 <Tukeke> chamo
Dec 21 16:58:54 <Tukeke> que fue
Dec 21 16:59:03 <Xc0re> que hay, mi paná?
Dec 21 16:59:13 <Tukeke> todo bien llave
Dec 21 16:59:18 <Xc0re> chevere
Dec 21 17:08:55 <alterego> ERM ..
Dec 21 17:15:43 * alterego contemplates integrating lirc with tv listings
Dec 21 17:16:06 <alterego> Or I could actually stop being a lazy bitch and build my media PC ..
Dec 21 17:17:10 <SpeedEvil> myth
Dec 21 17:17:31 <lbt> alterego: I just ordered an acer aspire
Dec 21 17:17:40 <alterego> Actually, I've been working on my own system :P
Dec 21 17:17:48 <alterego> With a QML based interface.
Dec 21 17:18:07 <nidO> I just bought a sony blu-ray player, does everything I woulda really wanted from a media pc and cost way less
Dec 21 17:18:15 <lbt> nidO: rofl
Dec 21 17:18:24 <alterego> Heh
Dec 21 17:18:46 <nidO> what :(
Dec 21 17:23:03 <kerio> nidO: hahaha
Dec 21 17:25:40 <DocScrutinizer> d-link DIR-615... fun
Dec 21 17:26:35 <kerio> nidO: wait, are you serious?
Dec 21 17:26:44 <kerio> i didn't know sony blu-ray players did bittorrent
Dec 21 17:26:46 <kerio> or encoding
Dec 21 17:26:51 <kerio> or internet
Dec 21 17:27:06 <DocScrutinizer> every bluray does internet afaik
Dec 21 17:27:15 <DocScrutinizer> part of specs
Dec 21 17:27:26 <kerio> what internet?
Dec 21 17:27:35 <kerio> will it do hulu?
Dec 21 17:27:48 <DocScrutinizer> no hoolahoola
Dec 21 17:27:53 <nidO> my nas machine does my torrents and encoding, the blu-ray player plays it all, and as DocScrutinizer says, all blu-ray players have internet connection capability
Dec 21 17:28:17 <kerio> nidO: does it have vlc and mplayer?
Dec 21 17:28:29 <nidO> and I live in the UK so hulu isnt much of an option, but yeah it does do iplayer, lovefilm (uk version of netflix) and catchup services for most other channels
Dec 21 17:29:19 <nidO> why would it need vlc or mplayer specifically, its' own software plays practically every media format under the sun
Dec 21 17:29:45 <kerio> does it read zmbv?
Dec 21 17:29:55 <kerio> vlc does
Dec 21 17:30:27 <nidO> I dont have the slightest idea, and as I have no zmbv content I also couldnt give the slightest bit of a toss
Dec 21 17:45:50 <trbs> Does anybody else have problems with incoming audio in skype on the n900 ?
Dec 21 17:49:47 * alterego starts packaging columbus for extras-devel
Dec 21 17:51:49 * RST38h does not quite understand: if there IS a Flash Player 10.0 from TI's website, why are all these lemmings still raving about the lack of it?
Dec 21 17:52:33 <alterego> I don't know, but a thread of something like 1.7k messages on flash 10 just shows how bad the community has gone :)
Dec 21 17:52:56 <RST38h> That is not community's fault.
Dec 21 17:53:34 <RST38h> Anyone at Google causing that much sorrow to Android users would have been gone long ago
Dec 21 17:57:36 <pupnik> a community needs something to be hysterical about
Dec 21 17:57:43 <pupnik> or shall we say about 50% of every community does
Dec 21 17:57:51 <pupnik> they'll find something :D
Dec 21 17:58:19 <alterego> Heh
Dec 21 18:10:04 <javispedro> RST38h: TI is still refusing to give it to lemmings. Not to mention that some still believe the existence of the "hardware accelerated Flash 10.1"
Dec 21 18:12:22 <javispedro> TMO should call those Anonymous guys and DDoS TMO itself because they won't give flash to TMO!
Dec 21 18:13:52 <alterego> FAILED
Dec 21 18:23:57 <jacekowski> javispedro: there is hardware accelerated flash 10.1
Dec 21 18:24:00 <jacekowski> javispedro: but not for arm
Dec 21 18:24:43 <jacekowski> RST38h: flash on ti website is a beta version and you have to request it and they have to approve that request and it's not so easy
Dec 21 18:24:47 <jacekowski> RST38h: and it's worthless
Dec 21 18:24:51 <MohammadAG> what's the best VM software for linux?
Dec 21 18:24:51 <SpeedEvil> use hardware flash accelleration under qemu
Dec 21 18:24:59 <MohammadAG> wine is a lost cause sometimes
Dec 21 18:25:05 <jacekowski> MohammadAG: depends
Dec 21 18:25:24 <jacekowski> MohammadAG: vmware/virtualbox/kvm/kqemu/
Dec 21 18:25:42 <jacekowski> virtualbox is probably most userfriendlyu
Dec 21 18:25:49 <jacekowski> just don't use opensource version
Dec 21 18:26:21 <javispedro> jacekowski: I know, and only since recently for Linux (re "hw accelerated" flash)
Dec 21 18:26:32 <jacekowski> only on x86
Dec 21 18:26:57 <pupnik> youtube is working better now with html5
Dec 21 18:27:10 <jacekowski> not all videos are on html5 player
Dec 21 18:27:46 <pupnik> a higher percentage now
Dec 21 18:27:58 <MohammadAG> does HTML5 work in FF?
Dec 21 18:28:08 <kerio> on firefox4, yeah
Dec 21 18:28:20 <kerio> but the webm videos are even less than the h264 videos
Dec 21 18:32:49 <pupnik> duno
Dec 21 18:34:23 <jacekowski> MohammadAG: in opera
Dec 21 18:34:26 <jacekowski> opera ftw
Dec 21 18:35:05 <kerio> opera suxxxxx
Dec 21 18:35:11 <jacekowski> opera is faster
Dec 21 18:35:13 <jacekowski> better
Dec 21 18:35:15 <jacekowski> has more features
Dec 21 18:35:19 <jacekowski> uses less memory
Dec 21 18:35:53 <MohammadAG> jacekowski, I hate opera
Dec 21 18:36:01 <javispedro> for a change, I'm just going to say I hate HTML5.
Dec 21 18:36:02 <MohammadAG> used it when I was a kid
Dec 21 18:40:31 <MohammadAG> javispedro, and you like flash right?
Dec 21 18:40:34 <MohammadAG> muhahahahaha
Dec 21 18:40:48 <alterego> Well,
Dec 21 18:41:41 <kerio> hehe, where's that browser chart...
Dec 21 18:41:50 <javispedro> at least I can purge Flash from my browser.
Dec 21 18:41:56 <alterego> What the freak
Dec 21 18:42:06 <MohammadAG> lol javispedro
Dec 21 18:42:21 <kerio> http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kzu2faunom1qzrjyxo1_500.jpg
Dec 21 18:42:42 <DokterW> jacekowski: Does Opera have addons like: HTTPS-Everywhere, PolicyRequest, SiteLauncher?
Dec 21 18:42:53 <kerio> DokterW: not to mention firesheep
Dec 21 18:43:20 <DokterW> :)
Dec 21 18:43:46 <DokterW> that is the one reason I have hard time ditching Fx, some of the add-ons.
Dec 21 18:44:01 <jacekowski> DokterW: yes, yes, and yes
Dec 21 18:45:10 <DokterW> but, do you get Opera only as a web browser, without the extra, email, rss reader, etc? :p
Dec 21 18:45:34 <DokterW> does it still have the bittorrent client built-in to it?
Dec 21 18:45:52 <javispedro> does it matter if it has a thousand of unwanted features if it manages to implement them in less space than a competitor's does just for plain browsing?
Dec 21 18:46:26 * MohammadAG goes to look for a legal *cough* version of WinXP
Dec 21 18:46:38 <javispedro> Not being an Opera fan, but if it has an email client AND it keeps disk footprint below that of Firefox, ftw.
Dec 21 18:46:50 <javispedro> disk footprint + memory usage + etc.
Dec 21 18:47:01 <jacekowski> DokterW: yes it does
Dec 21 18:47:09 <jacekowski> DokterW: and it's still lighter than firefox with no addons
Dec 21 18:47:10 <pupnik> heh 'it's bloated!'
Dec 21 18:49:23 <DokterW> I still prefer that they did what mozilla did, provide a stand-alone browser. it might have a small impact on the system footprint as it's already small, but it will make the settings window less cluttered. But that's just a personal preference of mine. :)
Dec 21 18:49:59 <jacekowski> javispedro: and you have opera link ( synchronisation of notes/bookmarks/history/speed dial/search engines/content blocking rules ), opera unite, opera turbo
Dec 21 18:50:10 <alterego> MohammadAG: http://maemo.org/packages/view/columbus/
Dec 21 18:50:19 <jacekowski> DokterW: opera settings windows is simpler than firefox settings
Dec 21 18:50:40 <jacekowski> and support for porn mode tabs + normal tabs at same time
Dec 21 18:50:59 <jacekowski> builtin irc/email/rss
Dec 21 18:51:02 <jacekowski> and torrent
Dec 21 18:51:13 <jacekowski> extensions
Dec 21 18:51:41 <DokterW> I have an irc, email, torrent and rss client. Don't need more, that I don't use. :)
Dec 21 18:52:31 <DokterW> But Opera for mobile devices is really awesome tho.
Dec 21 18:52:57 <korhojoa> agreed
Dec 21 18:53:32 <korhojoa> I've used opera on my E61, and it beats the hell out of the standard browser
Dec 21 18:53:40 <MohammadAG> alterego, :D
Dec 21 18:53:45 <korhojoa> i've also used it on a 9300i and the n900 :3
Dec 21 18:56:00 <alterego> MohammadAG: don't expect it to be particularly stable.
Dec 21 18:56:12 * MohammadAG shrugs
Dec 21 18:56:13 <alterego> It's still very much in development, but I figured I should release _something_ :)
Dec 21 18:56:20 <MohammadAG> alterego, is it FOSS?
Dec 21 18:56:25 <alterego> Yup
Dec 21 18:56:28 * MohammadAG facepalms
Dec 21 18:56:37 * MohammadAG looks at mirror
Dec 21 18:56:40 <MohammadAG> it says free idiot
Dec 21 18:58:11 <jacekowski> http://geekandpoke.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341d3df553ef0147e0be4f0a970b-800wi
Dec 21 18:58:31 <jacekowski> korhojoa: and it can sync with desktop browser
Dec 21 18:58:49 <korhojoa> jacekowski, yes, the new versions do, the ones i used to use didn't
Dec 21 18:58:55 <jacekowski> alterego: what does it do?
Dec 21 18:59:09 <alterego> Stuff
Dec 21 18:59:27 <jacekowski> just stuff?
Dec 21 18:59:30 <jacekowski> or cool stuff as well?
Dec 21 18:59:49 <alterego> It's biggest features at the moment are probably the NMEA streaming to file, network, bluetooth serial or usb serial.
Dec 21 18:59:52 <pupnik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsGFinU22zA  << cellular automata on archos / angstrom
Dec 21 19:00:11 <MohammadAG> jacekowski, the dishes :P
Dec 21 19:00:15 <alterego> When using it as a usb serial device and GS2 is chose, it disables pnatd then reenables it afterwards.
Dec 21 19:01:01 <alterego> jacekowski: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/index.html
Dec 21 19:02:33 <korhojoa> i just sent in my n900 today to get the microusb fixed :|
Dec 21 19:05:46 <jacekowski> how does it get data?
Dec 21 19:05:55 <jacekowski> via location api or directly from rapuyama
Dec 21 19:06:23 <alterego> location api
Dec 21 19:06:33 <alterego> Qt mobility to be exact
Dec 21 19:06:52 <alterego> It has an easy to use interface for writing more data formatters so it's trivial to add support for other output formats.
Dec 21 19:07:17 <DokterW> Do you guys know if there is a plan to port thunderbird to the n900?
Dec 21 19:07:20 <alterego> And there's a plugin interface, though that currently is disabled as all the plugins I've wrote are statically linked.
Dec 21 19:07:33 <alterego> Well, effectively statically link. They're hard coded in at the moment.
Dec 21 19:07:51 * javispedro smells of gpsd
Dec 21 19:07:59 <ioan> there is a n900 on craigslist here for $150, "The only thing is the charger portal doesnt work.", is that the broken usb port problem?
Dec 21 19:08:07 <wmarone> ioan: probably
Dec 21 19:08:19 <jacekowski> ioan: yes
Dec 21 19:08:28 <jacekowski> ioan: but that is warranty thing
Dec 21 19:08:37 <jacekowski> ioan: and they should fix it if
Dec 21 19:08:45 <alterego> javispedro: yeah, but its' not a daemon :P
Dec 21 19:08:48 <jacekowski> ioan: unless it's us version that has shorter varranty
Dec 21 19:08:50 <jacekowski> warranty*
Dec 21 19:08:52 <jacekowski> and only in US
Dec 21 19:09:00 <ioan> wmarone: how hard is to fix it? and the seller said its still in warranty... but he doesn't want to take care of it because he uses another phone
Dec 21 19:09:12 <jacekowski> ioan: is it US version?
Dec 21 19:09:15 <ioan> yes
Dec 21 19:09:22 <jacekowski> then it's out of warranty
Dec 21 19:09:22 <wmarone> use the warranty, it's generally not manually repairable
Dec 21 19:09:26 <nidO> it may not be in warranty then
Dec 21 19:09:34 <wmarone> jacekowski: how long is the US warranty?
Dec 21 19:09:37 <jacekowski> 1 year
Dec 21 19:09:44 <ioan> http://eugene.craigslist.org/mob/2046653144.html
Dec 21 19:09:47 <jacekowski> and they fixed that problem long time ago
Dec 21 19:09:59 <jacekowski> only phones older than year have problem with usb port
Dec 21 19:11:57 <MohammadAG> alterego, err, libqt4?
Dec 21 19:12:08 <alterego> MohammadAG: say what?
Dec 21 19:12:16 <alterego> Oh, deps are fucked?
Dec 21 19:12:19 <MohammadAG> Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, libqt4, libqt4-maemo5, libqtm-systeminfo, libqtm-location <-- libqt4 doesn't exist
Dec 21 19:12:33 <alterego> It doesn't?
Dec 21 19:12:52 <alterego> Crap
Dec 21 19:13:02 <MohammadAG> no
Dec 21 19:13:08 <MohammadAG> and shlibs should do all that
Dec 21 19:13:19 <MohammadAG> you don't need any deps other than ${shlibs:Depends}
Dec 21 19:13:19 <alterego> (fixing)
Dec 21 19:13:44 * MohammadAG fixed it locally :P
Dec 21 19:14:16 <ioan> is the n900 warranty transferable?
Dec 21 19:14:51 <MohammadAG> kewl, segfault (cc alterego :P)
Dec 21 19:15:34 <MohammadAG> Set bt to on, close the dialog, open it again and set it to off
Dec 21 19:15:38 <jacekowski> ioan: what do you mean?
Dec 21 19:15:42 <jacekowski> ioan: it's bound to device
Dec 21 19:15:46 <jacekowski> ioan: where are you?
Dec 21 19:16:14 <ioan> in US, next to eugene (where the ad is)
Dec 21 19:16:40 <alterego> MohammadAG: I did a massive refactoring today and some things might have broken :P
Dec 21 19:16:45 <pupnik> nice area ioan
Dec 21 19:16:55 <Venemo_N900> hey guys
Dec 21 19:17:02 <pupnik> moo
Dec 21 19:17:03 <Venemo_N900> what's up MohammadAG?
Dec 21 19:17:06 <MohammadAG> alterego, I already gave you step by step instructions, you should've noticed the bug :P
Dec 21 19:17:40 <ioan> jacekowski: I'll make sure that the phone is still in warranty and I'll buy it :-)
Dec 21 19:17:51 <ioan> jacekowski: yeah, oregon is nice
Dec 21 19:18:00 <pupnik> jacekowski: any improvements to the speakers in newer phones?
Dec 21 19:18:10 <jacekowski> i don't know
Dec 21 19:19:01 <jacekowski> i never had problems with it on mine
Dec 21 19:19:34 <alterego> Hrm, I thought I fixed that bug MohammadAG I can see where it's segfaulting ;)
Dec 21 19:20:10 <MohammadAG> alterego, I'm awesome at pointing out others' faults aren't I? :P
Dec 21 19:20:20 <MohammadAG> now if only I could do the same for myself
Dec 21 19:20:27 <alterego> Heh
Dec 21 19:20:32 <ioan> pupnik: yeah, oregon is nice (<---- was for you)
Dec 21 19:21:42 <lcuk> MohammadAG, have 2 user accounts ;)
Dec 21 19:22:33 <MohammadAG> lcuk, making a virtual machine :P
Dec 21 19:22:43 <MohammadAG> argh
Dec 21 19:22:48 <alterego> MohammadAG: I'm gonna stick it into gitorious soon if you're interested ;)
Dec 21 19:22:53 <MohammadAG> damn thing needs a key, /me forgot
Dec 21 19:23:07 <MohammadAG> alterego, already got the source and had a look at it :P
Dec 21 19:23:21 <alterego> :)
Dec 21 19:23:29 <MohammadAG> alterego, maybe we can do a mohammediaplayer merge so it can tag where you listened to tracks
Dec 21 19:23:36 <alterego> Sure, but that'll only be as up-to-date as my packaging :)
Dec 21 19:25:26 <alterego> Okay, fixed :)
Dec 21 19:27:52 <GeneralAntilles> Khertan_: Down, seems to be one most weeks.
Dec 21 19:29:07 <alterego> MohammadAG: uploaded the fixed version now (0.8.2)
Dec 21 19:29:14 <alterego> Should be building soon.
Dec 21 19:29:56 <MohammadAG> alterego, already beat you to it, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/columbus_0.8.1-1_armel.deb :P
Dec 21 19:30:10 <MohammadAG> nothing much Venemo_N900 (just noticed the message)
Dec 21 19:31:35 <alterego> You fixed the segfault? :P
Dec 21 19:31:56 <MohammadAG> alterego, can I practice that?
Dec 21 19:32:07 <MohammadAG> alterego, just point me at the file, wanna have a look and see if I can find it
Dec 21 19:32:22 <alterego> MohammadAG: the segfault isn't a good example.
Dec 21 19:32:31 <alterego> But I can tell you if you like, but you probably wont get it at all ..
Dec 21 19:32:39 <MohammadAG> alterego, just point me to the file :P
Dec 21 19:32:50 <MohammadAG> encouraging :P
Dec 21 19:33:13 <alterego> plugins/bluetooth-server/BluetoothAcceptor.cpp
Dec 21 19:33:29 <alterego> Seriously though, it's an odd one and I don't think you'll get it :P
Dec 21 19:33:46 <alterego> It's in the destructor
Dec 21 19:33:58 <crashanddie_> link
Dec 21 19:35:12 <crashanddie_> alterego: link?
Dec 21 19:35:17 <alterego> To what?
Dec 21 19:35:19 <alterego> :)
Dec 21 19:35:26 <crashanddie_> alterego: that cpp file
Dec 21 19:35:28 <alterego> The source isn't online ..
Dec 21 19:35:33 <alterego> I can upload it if you want :)
Dec 21 19:35:33 <crashanddie_> pfff
Dec 21 19:35:43 <MohammadAG> this->d?
Dec 21 19:35:51 <alterego> Nope
Dec 21 19:36:22 <crashanddie_> just show me the destructor in question
Dec 21 19:36:25 <MohammadAG> just a sec
Dec 21 19:36:35 <crashanddie_> i wanna play, i wanna play, i wanna play, i wanna play, i wanna play, i wanna play, i wanna play, i wanna play, i wanna play
Dec 21 19:36:49 <alterego> crashanddie_: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/BluetoothAcceptor.cpp
Dec 21 19:37:20 <MohammadAG> you nulled it?
Dec 21 19:37:35 <MohammadAG> it's here somewhere         sdp_record_free(d->record);
Dec 21 19:37:37 <MohammadAG>         d->record = NULL;
Dec 21 19:37:37 <MohammadAG> right?
Dec 21 19:38:12 <alterego> Yes, that's exactly right.
Dec 21 19:38:19 <alterego> I don't need to free it aparently.
Dec 21 19:38:31 <alterego> sdp_record_free causes the segfault :)
Dec 21 19:38:52 <alterego> So, remove that line fixes the problem.
Dec 21 19:38:53 <javispedro> hey, it's cheating
Dec 21 19:39:01 <jacekowski> and causes memleak
Dec 21 19:39:09 <javispedro> the file you sent to crashanddie doesn't have sdp_record_Free
Dec 21 19:39:09 <alterego> What is?
Dec 21 19:39:13 <MohammadAG> <alterego> Seriously though, it's an odd one and I don't think you'll get it :P <-- second thoughts?
Dec 21 19:39:22 <alterego> javispedro: oh, crap, that's the fixed version ..
Dec 21 19:39:32 <jacekowski> alterego: removing free
Dec 21 19:39:33 <crashanddie_> lol
Dec 21 19:39:46 <crashanddie_> me was like "damn, I'm shit at this"
Dec 21 19:39:52 <alterego> jacekowski: I'm checking, but I think sdp_record_unregister does it.
Dec 21 19:40:03 <jacekowski> let valgrind check it
Dec 21 19:40:23 <javispedro> valgrind, arm, and qt?
Dec 21 19:40:23 <alterego> Yeah, I should probably learn to valgrind ..
Dec 21 19:40:24 <javispedro> hah!
Dec 21 19:40:25 <crashanddie_> jacekowski++: when in doubt -- valgrind
Dec 21 19:40:48 <crashanddie_> javispedro: well, valgrind works on x86 as well, and so does Qt
Dec 21 19:40:49 <alterego> Don't have to run it on the N900 jacekowski
Dec 21 19:40:54 <javispedro> crashanddie_: touché.
Dec 21 19:41:04 <javispedro> though..
Dec 21 19:41:09 <javispedro> being bt stuff..
Dec 21 19:41:14 <jacekowski> javispedro: you can test it on x86
Dec 21 19:41:18 <alterego> s/jacekowski/javispedro/ :)
Dec 21 19:41:25 <alterego> But it does work on ARM as well :P
Dec 21 19:41:40 <jacekowski> besides, there is arm version of valgrind
Dec 21 19:41:41 <crashanddie_> anyway, me goes back to hacking the foss media player
Dec 21 19:41:43 <jacekowski> it's early beta
Dec 21 19:41:46 <jacekowski> but it's there
Dec 21 19:41:56 <javispedro> jacekowski: exactly (beta). it does weird things with qt.
Dec 21 19:42:31 <javispedro> also, http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle12-20100706/source/bluez/lib/sdp.c#2982
Dec 21 19:43:17 <alterego> Yeah, see :)
Dec 21 19:43:19 <alterego> No memory leak.
Dec 21 19:43:25 <alterego> Though I'm sure there are somewhere else.
Dec 21 19:43:46 <alterego> So I should probably lrn2valgrind
Dec 21 19:45:00 <MohammadAG> so wait, do I have to delete something after no longer using it?
Dec 21 19:45:40 <korhojoa> poll: how many of you use irc while pooping?
Dec 21 19:45:43 <alterego> MohammadAG: yes, unless someone else does it for you, like in that slightly annoying case :)
Dec 21 19:45:52 <alterego> korhojoa: I do
Dec 21 19:45:55 <lcuk> korhojoa, dont ask such private questions
Dec 21 19:45:56 * korhojoa is doing that right now. best use of time ever
Dec 21 19:46:02 <lcuk> ps, will someone pass me the loo roll.
Dec 21 19:46:02 <javispedro> MohammadAG: this is a way longer explanation.
Dec 21 19:46:07 <alterego> Heh
Dec 21 19:46:10 * alterego has run out of loo roll
Dec 21 19:48:19 <MohammadAG> crap, I'm out too
Dec 21 19:49:12 <alterego> Anymore bugs you can find? :)
Dec 21 19:49:48 * MohammadAG looks at app again
Dec 21 19:50:11 <MohammadAG> alterego, do you use two layouts for portrait and landscape mdoe?
Dec 21 19:50:13 <MohammadAG> mode*
Dec 21 19:50:20 <alterego> No
Dec 21 19:50:42 <alterego> One QBoxLayout and I change the layout mode
Dec 21 19:51:01 <MohammadAG> hmm
Dec 21 19:51:11 * MohammadAG needs that for the mediaplayer then
Dec 21 19:51:19 <MohammadAG> right now I use two layouts and update both
Dec 21 19:51:20 <lcuk> alterego, but you have 2 backgrounds
Dec 21 19:51:31 <alterego> Yes
Dec 21 19:51:42 * MohammadAG was asking about widgets :P
Dec 21 19:51:44 <lcuk> and how would you do it in qml
Dec 21 19:51:53 <lcuk> MohammadAG, widgets have backgrounds too
Dec 21 19:52:00 <MohammadAG> lcuk, that's Qt
Dec 21 19:52:04 <alterego> lcuk: specifically, what? :)
Dec 21 19:52:13 <lcuk> alterego, landscape/portrait layout
Dec 21 19:52:34 <alterego> Good question,
Dec 21 19:52:53 <lcuk> well its been a regular question
Dec 21 19:53:07 <lcuk> and something I still havent heard a good answer for
Dec 21 19:53:25 <alterego> Something like what I do there and my layout there, is quite complicated to do in QML, not sure where I'd start.
Dec 21 19:54:46 <alterego> I'll think about it and get back to you :D
Dec 21 19:56:35 <lcuk> alterego, heh, not you specifically but if you have a reasonable suggestion it would be good to have it documented
Dec 21 19:57:30 <alterego> Sure
Dec 21 19:57:37 <alterego> Well, I am pushing QML myself :)
Dec 21 19:57:52 <alterego> It's very app specific though.
Dec 21 19:58:21 <ioan> what's a good website for torrent search?
Dec 21 19:58:27 <lcuk> alterego, yup and if you can translate that experience to consider how other apps would work it would be good :)
Dec 21 19:58:36 <lcuk> ioan, google afaik
Dec 21 19:58:38 <alterego> If you look at my app there, I've clearly created a two column layout in landscape, that when in portrait they get turned into a single column,
Dec 21 19:58:47 <lcuk> though why the MPAA hasn't chased after them, IDK
Dec 21 19:58:55 <alterego> Sometimes by removing an unimportant item to make it fit properly.
Dec 21 19:59:03 <ioan> lcuk :-)
Dec 21 19:59:27 <alterego> So actually, I think I can knock something up quite easily, I'll do an example of sort of what I'm doing in my app in QML.
Dec 21 20:12:19 * timeless_mbp sighs
Dec 21 20:12:26 <timeless_mbp> so... i'm usin gmy n900
Dec 21 20:12:33 <timeless_mbp> s/n gm/ng m/
Dec 21 20:12:33 <infobot> timeless_mbp meant: so... i'm using my n900
Dec 21 20:12:53 <timeless_mbp> and i open conversations, click on a conversation with someone, and click on a message i sent
Dec 21 20:12:55 <timeless_mbp> i see:
Dec 21 20:13:06 <timeless_mbp> "SMS -- sent"
Dec 21 20:13:10 <timeless_mbp> Sent by me
Dec 21 20:13:15 <timeless_mbp>  7:35pm
Dec 21 20:13:17 <timeless_mbp> ---
Dec 21 20:13:21 <timeless_mbp> <what I wrote>
Dec 21 20:13:31 <timeless_mbp> [ Delete ] [ Copy ] [ Forward ]
Dec 21 20:13:38 <timeless_mbp> guess what I *don't* see here?
Dec 21 20:14:27 <alterego> delivery report?
Dec 21 20:14:34 <timeless_mbp> no, it was delivered
Dec 21 20:14:35 <SpeedEvil> elvis?
Dec 21 20:14:39 <alterego> Heh
Dec 21 20:14:46 <kerio> jesus!
Dec 21 20:14:46 <alterego> Edit?
Dec 21 20:14:52 <timeless_mbp> alterego: in a conversation, how many parties do you usually have?
Dec 21 20:14:57 <alterego> 2
Dec 21 20:14:58 <ioan> "undo"
Dec 21 20:15:09 <kerio> "Print"
Dec 21 20:15:11 <timeless_mbp> alterego: ok, so how many are visible in this view?
Dec 21 20:15:14 <SpeedEvil> Undo would be a completely killer app
Dec 21 20:15:20 <ioan> hehe
Dec 21 20:15:22 * javispedro curses
Dec 21 20:15:25 <alterego> timeless_mbp: the destination?
Dec 21 20:15:30 <timeless_mbp> alterego: ayup
Dec 21 20:15:36 <jaska> rollback reality!
Dec 21 20:15:42 <javispedro> oh, why the hell thought DataViz that moving to Qt would be a good idea?
Dec 21 20:15:50 <Pradeep> alterego you are truly the man please do hv a blog on n900
Dec 21 20:15:59 <alterego> Pradeep: ?
Dec 21 20:16:07 <alterego> Pradeep: oh, you got your networking working? :)
Dec 21 20:16:12 <Pradeep> lol man thnx alot
Dec 21 20:16:18 <Pradeep> yea man i did
Dec 21 20:16:21 <alterego> Cool, :)
Dec 21 20:17:15 <Pradeep> i even flashed my phone to the new update using the .bin file and also the flasher installed on my ubuntu
Dec 21 20:17:28 <Venemo> hey guys :)
Dec 21 20:17:33 <alterego> Cool, well I'm glad you got everything sorted :D
Dec 21 20:17:48 <Pradeep> but truly did not see any difference
Dec 21 20:18:02 <ioan> there is a way to undo an email sent by mistake... say that you want to send a pic of you weewee to your wife... and ends up to you mother in law because they have the same name... and you realize that just after you clicked send. for this, there is a Undo (no jking)
Dec 21 20:18:42 <lcuk> ioan, don;t worry, your MIL won;t be able to find the magnifier icon :P
Dec 21 20:18:53 <MohammadAG> hey Venemo
Dec 21 20:18:55 <lcuk> err ' '
Dec 21 20:18:58 <Venemo> hi MohammadAG :)
Dec 21 20:19:59 <ioan> you send another 200 emails with the same subject but just random garbage in the body... and then you sent another email "hey, I have a virus, lots of emails went out, please don't open them"
Dec 21 20:21:32 <alterego> MohammadAG, Venemo: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/columbus/0.8.2-1/
Dec 21 20:21:48 <alterego> Can you both validate that its' working well enough for me to promote to testing?
Dec 21 20:22:02 <alterego> Basically, I'll update -devel to latest version as I add more features.
Dec 21 20:22:24 <alterego> Then when I'm happy with the state of that version I'll promote to testing, then once I get to v1.0 I'll push to extras.
Dec 21 20:22:26 <Venemo> alterego: will test
Dec 21 20:22:46 <alterego> Thanks :)
Dec 21 20:22:56 <Venemo> so you finally decided to make it FOSS?
Dec 21 20:24:38 <alterego> Venemo: it was always gonna be FOSS, we all knew it :P
Dec 21 20:25:03 <alterego> I should put a (donations welcome) clause in the tmo post :D
Dec 21 20:25:22 <Venemo> alterego: no, I expected you to make it a €10 app in Ovi
Dec 21 20:25:30 <alterego> Heh
Dec 21 20:25:48 <alterego> I was taking too long developing the features.
Dec 21 20:26:16 <alterego> and it's still not "complete" in my eyes. And I just wanted to put it out there to see what people think of it.
Dec 21 20:27:11 <Venemo> alterego: why is the compass constantly rotating?
Dec 21 20:27:31 <Venemo> my N900 is on Fake's stand, the compass should be still
Dec 21 20:27:32 <alterego> Because you're not moving and I've not but in a limit
Dec 21 20:27:36 <MohammadAG> cause you're standing still :P
Dec 21 20:27:41 <SpeedEvil> Venemo: there is no hardware compass.
Dec 21 20:27:44 <alterego> s/but/put/
Dec 21 20:27:46 <infobot> alterego meant: Because you're not moving and I've not put in a limit
Dec 21 20:27:47 <SpeedEvil> Venemo: Unless you add one
Dec 21 20:28:01 <Venemo> SpeedEvil: there is a compass in alterego's app, that's what I'm talking about
Dec 21 20:28:02 <lcuk> what happens if i press this button.
Dec 21 20:28:12 <Venemo> which button lcuk?
Dec 21 20:28:23 * javispedro sighs
Dec 21 20:28:38 <alterego> Venemo: I know, but GPS, because it isn't 100% accurate, the error causes it to think you're moving slightly even when you're not.
Dec 21 20:28:40 <javispedro> so today I just experienced the bug I discovered while browsing through qtmaemo source yesterday
Dec 21 20:28:51 <MohammadAG> lcuk, javispedro sighs
Dec 21 20:28:56 <javispedro> Just quickly tap Open then New on any DataViz app
Dec 21 20:28:59 <alterego> And it's that error that is causing the GPS receiver to think you're changing direction, which causes my compass to report that error.
Dec 21 20:29:03 <javispedro> result = unkillable open file dialog
Dec 21 20:29:05 <Venemo> alterego: oh. understandable
Dec 21 20:29:18 <SpeedEvil> Venemo: There is no actual hardware compass.
Dec 21 20:29:23 <Venemo> SpeedEvil: I know
Dec 21 20:29:39 <SpeedEvil> Venemo: Adding an actual hardware compass is quite possible, but I'm not aware of anyone that's fone it
Dec 21 20:29:42 <Venemo> SpeedEvil: as I told you already, I'm talking about a compass-shaped GUI in alterego's app.
Dec 21 20:29:50 <Venemo> alterego: the app is very nice
Dec 21 20:29:59 <SpeedEvil> GPS compass is not ideal as it's based on changes in movement
Dec 21 20:30:09 <SpeedEvil> And this bounces around even when stationary
Dec 21 20:30:19 <Venemo> alterego: I didn't notice any obvious bugs, but will try it tomorrow when I'll have a trip
Dec 21 20:30:25 * javispedro hits MohammadAG 
Dec 21 20:30:35 <Venemo> alterego: will report how it went :)
Dec 21 20:30:48 * MohammadAG cries
Dec 21 20:31:32 <javispedro> so how do I kill the unkillable, unparented, non transient file open dialog now
Dec 21 20:31:36 <alterego> Venemo: the track view screen, when the log gets very large noticeably lags. I've yet to optimize it.
Dec 21 20:31:46 <alterego> So the track view is basically WIP at the moment ;)
Dec 21 20:31:56 <Venemo> alterego: it won't get very large, I assure you
Dec 21 20:32:01 <alterego> :)
Dec 21 20:32:09 <alterego> Well, let me know what you think then :)
Dec 21 20:32:10 <Venemo> alterego: I'm only afraid that constant GPS usage'll drain my battery
Dec 21 20:32:20 <alterego> Venemo: it's the UI that drains power :D
Dec 21 20:32:33 <SpeedEvil> alterego: even when blanked?
Dec 21 20:32:37 <alterego> And my app is quite good when blanked.
Dec 21 20:32:48 <Venemo> okay alterego :)
Dec 21 20:32:54 <Venemo> I'll report about that one too
Dec 21 20:33:45 <alterego> SpeedEvil: no, I put in provisions for screenlock and task switching.
Dec 21 20:34:04 <alterego> It disconnects UI when blanked/backgrounded.
Dec 21 20:34:06 <SpeedEvil> ah
Dec 21 20:35:18 <alterego> But logging and streaming still works.
Dec 21 20:35:24 <alterego> Obviously :)
Dec 21 20:35:59 <alterego> I tested the GPS bluetooth support with an N810 :)
Dec 21 20:36:17 <alterego> So my N900 was acting as a BT GPS for the N810
Dec 21 20:37:08 <Ex-Opesa> Anyone know any application which can be used for NX sessions?
Dec 21 20:37:17 <Ex-Opesa> NX is alternative to VNC.
Dec 21 20:37:44 <Ex-Opesa> In short. I want to ask if NX Client is available for maemo or not.
Dec 21 20:37:52 <javispedro> clients? many
Dec 21 20:37:59 <javispedro> qtnx is one iirc
Dec 21 20:38:23 <Ex-Opesa> iirc?
Dec 21 20:38:37 <javispedro> ~iirc
Dec 21 20:38:38 <infobot> [iirc] "if I recall correctly"
Dec 21 20:39:08 <nox-> moin
Dec 21 20:39:13 <Ex-Opesa> Great abbreviation which I never heard before.
Dec 21 20:39:18 <javispedro> useful :)
Dec 21 20:39:29 <RST38h> hell, what does "ircii" mean then???
Dec 21 20:39:48 <luke-jr> ircii is a client IIRC
Dec 21 20:40:00 <Ex-Opesa> javispedro, yeah
Dec 21 20:40:01 <luke-jr> Ex-Opesa: NX is an ugly hack compared to VNC
Dec 21 20:40:19 <lcuk> luke-jr, do you like anything?
Dec 21 20:40:30 <javispedro> luke-jr: VNC is sadly too simple.
Dec 21 20:40:31 <luke-jr> lcuk: Tonal ☺
Dec 21 20:40:47 <luke-jr> javispedro: true enough
Dec 21 20:41:01 <luke-jr> personally, I want Qt-over-X11 :P
Dec 21 20:41:11 <Ex-Opesa> luke-jr, well..I can't use VNC as I don't got monitor on my server.
Dec 21 20:41:19 <Ex-Opesa> luke-jr, So I gotta stay with NX
Dec 21 20:41:21 <javispedro> uhoh.
Dec 21 20:41:31 <lcuk> luke-jr, "Tonal (mythology), a concept appearing in the belief systems and traditions of Mesoamerican cultures, involving a spiritual link between a person and an animal" ?
Dec 21 20:41:52 <luke-jr> Ex-Opesa: VNC doesn't use a monitor
Dec 21 20:42:02 <luke-jr> lcuk: wtf?
Dec 21 20:42:11 <lcuk> i searched
Dec 21 20:42:16 <lcuk> and wikipedia came up with that
Dec 21 20:42:24 * javispedro hasn't yet killed the unkillable open file dialog
Dec 21 20:42:24 <luke-jr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonal_System
Dec 21 20:42:43 <crashanddie_> lol
Dec 21 20:42:57 <crashanddie_> FYI: Under OSX, DO NOT cancel the update process of Nokia Qt Creator
Dec 21 20:43:03 <crashanddie_> it will delete the whole _current_ install
Dec 21 20:43:06 <lcuk> lol luke-jr
Dec 21 20:43:15 <Ex-Opesa> luke-jr. Well afaik. It does require a X session. Which can only be created with NX/monitor connected
Dec 21 20:43:23 <luke-jr> Ex-Opesa: nonsense
Dec 21 20:43:33 <luke-jr> Ex-Opesa: vncserver spawns an Xvnc server
Dec 21 20:43:35 <lcuk> i was gonna say what was he smoking, but since the numbers mention multiples og bong its pretty clear
Dec 21 20:43:46 <lcuk> s/og/of/
Dec 21 20:43:46 <infobot> lcuk meant: i was gonna say what was he smoking, but since the numbers mention multiples of bong its pretty clear
Dec 21 20:44:01 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/education/tonal/glyphs/CSUR.html
Dec 21 20:44:08 <luke-jr> Happy new year, btw
Dec 21 20:44:15 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/education/tonal/keyboard/dvorak-tonal.png
Dec 21 20:45:29 <TheOne> hello
Dec 21 20:46:16 <TheOne> does anybody know whether it is possible to get some local maps of london city for n900 ?
Dec 21 20:46:27 <luke-jr> omg I just heard the news
Dec 21 20:46:28 <lcuk> ? TheOne should be
Dec 21 20:46:33 <luke-jr> Nokia has dropped MeeGo for Win7 Mobile⁇
Dec 21 20:46:37 <luke-jr> idiots
Dec 21 20:46:47 <TheOne> lcuk: do you know where and how?
Dec 21 20:46:48 * javispedro ponders where luke-jr gets his news from
Dec 21 20:46:50 <crashanddie_> luke-jr: rumors
Dec 21 20:46:58 <crashanddie_> luke-jr: and pretty misinformed, too
Dec 21 20:47:09 <TheOne> or some app names that i can search for
Dec 21 20:47:24 <Venemo> luke-jr: do you believe that?
Dec 21 20:47:38 <nox-> TheOne, cloudgps?
Dec 21 20:47:41 <Pradeep> alterego, you there
Dec 21 20:47:48 <Pradeep> alterego: wats new man on maemo
Dec 21 20:47:52 <TheOne> hi nox- ;)
Dec 21 20:47:54 <lcuk> TheOne, hm hold on I have some old instrucitons
Dec 21 20:47:56 <nox-> moin TheOne :)
Dec 21 20:47:57 <luke-jr> javispedro: #mer
Dec 21 20:47:58 <trumee> is anybody using freeswitch for voip?
Dec 21 20:48:04 <luke-jr> Venemo: no
Dec 21 20:48:04 <lcuk> but just opening the map and letting it download should just work?
Dec 21 20:48:10 <Pradeep> i had a serious argument on facebook today
Dec 21 20:48:16 <Venemo> luke-jr: me neither
Dec 21 20:48:18 <luke-jr> trumee: I am for work, unforunately.
Dec 21 20:48:46 <Pradeep> concerning n8 and n900
Dec 21 20:48:58 <lcuk> TheOne, open maps, let it connect to data, see yourself on map?
Dec 21 20:49:03 <crashanddie_> Pradeep: you lost the game
Dec 21 20:49:06 <trumee> luke-jr: Listen to this http://174.132.148.146/ivr.wav
Dec 21 20:49:09 <crashanddie_> for having an argument on facebook
Dec 21 20:49:10 <TheOne> i want some local stuff that works without 3g connection
Dec 21 20:49:12 <Pradeep> i wish java works on n900
Dec 21 20:49:13 <nox-> TheOne, also if that is a about the default mapping app see here:  http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2009/10/13/downloading_ovi_maps_without_a_network_c
Dec 21 20:49:16 <Venemo> Pradeep: what argument was that?
Dec 21 20:49:18 <lcuk> TheOne, ahh
Dec 21 20:49:23 <lcuk> you want the cache
Dec 21 20:49:29 <luke-jr> trumee: why
Dec 21 20:49:34 <Pradeep> it is better than n900
Dec 21 20:49:48 <Venemo> Pradeep: depends on use cases and personal preference
Dec 21 20:49:49 <trumee> luke-jr: because that is the response i get if i check voicemail
Dec 21 20:50:02 <Pradeep> i noticed that windows users dont no how much n900 can do
Dec 21 20:50:02 <Venemo> Pradeep: for me, I doubt Symbian's UI can match Maemo's
Dec 21 20:50:05 <luke-jr> trumee: I don't use any FS voicemail stuff
Dec 21 20:50:06 <Pradeep> seriously
Dec 21 20:50:20 <trumee> luke-jr: i have another user over at #freeswitch with the same problem.
Dec 21 20:50:23 <luke-jr> trumee: only for IVRs
Dec 21 20:50:24 <Pradeep> yes it cant
Dec 21 20:50:29 <TheOne> yes i dont want to pay expensive roaming fees
Dec 21 20:50:42 <Pradeep> someone mention android
Dec 21 20:50:57 <luke-jr> Android is better than Maemo
Dec 21 20:50:58 <luke-jr> happy?
Dec 21 20:50:59 <Pradeep> but did not mention much on that
Dec 21 20:51:03 <Venemo> android is a pile of crap
Dec 21 20:51:12 <trumee> luke-jr: what do you use for sip calls, * ?
Dec 21 20:51:14 <Ex-Opesa> Pradeep, are you Pradeep Saha?
Dec 21 20:51:20 <nox-> TheOne, see my link :)
Dec 21 20:51:24 <Pradeep> nope am not
Dec 21 20:51:38 <Ex-Opesa> Never mind then.
Dec 21 20:51:43 <lcuk> nox-, ta, was just hunting for that link
Dec 21 20:51:53 <nox-> :)
Dec 21 20:51:54 <luke-jr> trumee: for humans, yes
Dec 21 20:51:57 <Pradeep> luke-jr: why did you say android is better than maemo
Dec 21 20:52:05 <luke-jr> Pradeep: it's slightly more open
Dec 21 20:52:16 <trumee> luke-jr: hmm. ok.
Dec 21 20:52:22 <Pradeep> in wat way
Dec 21 20:52:24 <luke-jr> Pradeep: MeeGo is better than Android, note
Dec 21 20:53:10 <Pradeep> never used though heard it is still buggy
Dec 21 20:54:20 <TheOne> nox-: sounds good - do you know if i can do routing without 3g connection and local map cache?
Dec 21 20:54:26 <Pradeep> i mean the meego
Dec 21 20:54:35 <nox-> TheOne, i havent tried
Dec 21 20:54:44 <TheOne> there is mention that the search need 3g
Dec 21 20:54:57 <TheOne> but nothing about the routing
Dec 21 20:55:40 <nox-> well i guess searching includes routing...
Dec 21 20:56:02 <nox-> maybe you can get an uk prepaid sim?
Dec 21 20:57:23 <Pradeep> Th
Dec 21 20:57:59 <Pradeep> how do you auto complete a user name on xchat using n900
Dec 21 20:58:27 <Pradeep> cos it is so diffcult having to type all d way
Dec 21 20:59:38 <nox-> ctrl-i ?
Dec 21 21:00:21 <SpeedEvil> Pradeep: I rebound it to ctrl-rightarrow
Dec 21 21:00:25 <weeeedar> i too miss a tab-button, how to auto complete in the terminal? :/
Dec 21 21:00:26 <SpeedEvil> It's ctrl-space I think
Dec 21 21:00:40 <SpeedEvil> normally
Dec 21 21:01:36 <nox-> ah
Dec 21 21:02:04 <DocScrutinizer> whatever is mapped to nick-completion in key-shortcuts settings
Dec 21 21:03:26 <DocScrutinizer51> Pradeep: I for example have it on shift-space. While up and down do scroll here
Dec 21 21:03:46 <Ex-Opesa> In Application Manager of maemo I can NOT find qtnx while using apt-get I can install it. Is it normal?
Dec 21 21:03:51 <DocScrutinizer51> rather convenient
Dec 21 21:03:58 <Ex-Opesa> extras-testing doesn't appear in application manager?
Dec 21 21:04:45 <Pradeep> hmmm
Dec 21 21:05:03 <javispedro> Ex-Opesa: wrong packaging seemingly
Dec 21 21:05:09 <Pradeep> DocScrutinizer51, urs worked
Dec 21 21:05:12 <DocScrutinizer51> it's about category of an app if it appears in HAM
Dec 21 21:06:08 <Ex-Opesa> Brb.
Dec 21 21:08:04 <Pradeep> anyone using facebook chat here pls how did u do it
Dec 21 21:09:17 <luke-jr> Pradeep: add it as an account
Dec 21 21:14:04 <Pradeep> hmmm tried it some many time
Dec 21 21:14:29 <Pradeep> some told me abt facebrick but it is not in my repo
Dec 21 21:16:16 <Ex-Opesa> Back.
Dec 21 21:16:43 <luke-jr> Pradeep: PR1.2+ supports it out of the box
Dec 21 21:16:45 <Ex-Opesa> DocScrutinizer51 definitely not in application manager. I use "All".
Dec 21 21:17:35 <DocScrutinizer> Ex-Opesa: there's a 'user' tag for pkgs and only those are shown
Dec 21 21:18:37 <Ex-Opesa> DocScrutinizer51 Can you please elaborate?
Dec 21 21:18:55 <DocScrutinizer> ask somebody more familiar with packaging. I'm just telling what I heard
Dec 21 21:19:47 <Ex-Opesa> DocScrutinizer51 Can you please elaborate
Dec 21 21:19:54 <Ex-Opesa> DocScrutinizer51 Okay thank you.
Dec 21 21:20:09 <Ex-Opesa> Nevermind the 1st sentence. It was a mistake. ^^
Dec 21 21:23:30 <comawhite> ovi maps is always telling me "constantly saying "Looking for your GPS position""
Dec 21 21:33:19 <DocScrutinizer51> comawhite: ovi maps tries only 60sec to get a fix, then GPS is powered down I heard. Allegedly placing ovi maps to background and back restarts that
Dec 21 21:34:18 <nox-> hm maybe you could also run location test in parallel to keep gps up?
Dec 21 21:34:24 <DocScrutinizer51> location test app is probably best to get GPS to work
Dec 21 21:34:30 <nox-> :)
Dec 21 21:34:58 <Pradeep> maemo can do all there i wonder whst meego would be like
Dec 21 21:35:50 <DocScrutinizer51> meego on N900 will never reach maturity of maemo
Dec 21 21:36:06 <comawhite> remember I have no SIM card
Dec 21 21:36:15 <comawhite> and no service provider except lan
Dec 21 21:36:34 <nox-> yeah then gps may take quite long to get a first fix
Dec 21 21:36:39 <DocScrutinizer51> that's your problem with GPS then
Dec 21 21:36:41 <Ex-Opesa> Any one tried qtnx here?
Dec 21 21:37:01 <comawhite> dockane, other n900 users say i only need sim for agps
Dec 21 21:37:25 <comawhite> oops DocScrutinizer
Dec 21 21:37:59 <DocScrutinizer51> yes, but without A the GPS can take ages for first fix
Dec 21 21:38:21 <Pradeep> DocScrutinizer51, why did you say so abt meego and n900
Dec 21 21:38:23 <DocScrutinizer51> you definitely need location test app
Dec 21 21:39:29 <comawhite> DocScrutinizer, how i get it?
Dec 21 21:40:18 <DocScrutinizer51> install with HAM. Probably from maemo-devel
Dec 21 21:40:31 <comawhite> blah haze is being a bitch
Dec 21 21:40:54 <comawhite> im bout to flash my phone because the seller didn't do it
Dec 21 21:42:15 <weeeedar> i would expect meego to become as mature on n900 as it will be on nokias stock meego devices
Dec 21 21:42:18 <Ex-Opesa> Are there any working cleint of NX in maemo?..
Dec 21 21:42:24 <Pradeep> comawhite, did mine yesterday i mean flashed it with flasher 3.5 and global .bin file
Dec 21 21:43:05 <comawhite> i have to go look on the site on how to flash and what not
Dec 21 21:43:23 <comawhite> gotta call my bro and see if he will send me the money to buy phone service
Dec 21 21:43:25 <luke-jr> weeeedar: there is no reason to expect that
Dec 21 21:44:46 <DocScrutinizer51> weeeedar: how that? Nokia wonmt develop closed drivers for N900 meego, but they will for genuine meego devices
Dec 21 21:46:06 <Pradeep> DocScrutinizer51,  tot meego was also open source
Dec 21 21:46:44 <DocScrutinizer51> check again. some parts never will be open
Dec 21 21:47:17 <Pradeep> what about maemo?
Dec 21 21:47:19 <DocScrutinizer51> e.g. battery management
Dec 21 21:47:47 <Pradeep> are you saying meego is nokia's OS
Dec 21 21:48:34 <Pradeep> DocScrutinizer51,  huh?
Dec 21 21:49:43 <weeeedar> is there no way to use maemos drivers for meego?
Dec 21 21:49:57 <DocScrutinizer51> I'm saying on maemo we got a somewhat working dialer and batterycharging and whatnot. Samew ill be on genuine meego devices. but Nokia already announced they won't do some parts OSS
Dec 21 21:53:08 <Venemo> weeeedar: if you ask on #meego you'll notice that the drivers for most of the components are working
Dec 21 21:53:41 <Venemo> weeeedar: some of them are not OSS. one of this is the battery manager software and the graphics chip. the latter is not Nokia's so it's not in their power to decide
Dec 21 21:53:56 <Pradeep> Venemo, on n900 u mean?
Dec 21 21:54:09 <weeeedar> hm
Dec 21 21:54:27 <Venemo> Pradeep: yes.
Dec 21 21:54:45 <Venemo> you can ask Stskeeps about it on #meego if you wanna know the exact state of this
Dec 21 21:55:32 <luke-jr> I thought MeeGo had a new SGX 3D driver?
Dec 21 21:55:37 <weeeedar> i  somewhere read meego is being developed on n900, thought that would mean we will at leats get the drivers :/
Dec 21 21:55:44 <luke-jr> and BME is effectively replaced
Dec 21 21:55:44 <Venemo> luke-jr: it has. but it is closed source
Dec 21 21:56:00 <luke-jr> Venemo: ImgTec isn't going to change that any time soon
Dec 21 21:56:08 <Venemo> luke-jr: yeah.
Dec 21 21:56:12 <luke-jr> and the kernel part (at least for Maemo) is open
Dec 21 21:56:13 <Venemo> well about MeeGo facts, ask #meego
Dec 21 21:56:15 <DocScrutinizer51> also some of the foss drivers are "from upstream" and way worse than those used in maemo
Dec 21 21:56:32 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer51: interesting
Dec 21 21:57:04 <luke-jr> weeeedar: also note that N900's bootloader is locked, nobody knows how to root/unlock it, and it onyl allows 1 kernel
Dec 21 21:57:10 <luke-jr> and Maemo and MeeGo cannot use the same kernels
Dec 21 21:57:20 <luke-jr> so running both is basically impossible without hacks
Dec 21 21:57:56 <SpeedEvil> kexec
Dec 21 21:57:58 <Pradeep> hmmmm
Dec 21 21:57:59 <SpeedEvil> ?
Dec 21 21:58:03 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: like I said, without hacks
Dec 21 21:58:08 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: and IIRC kexec doesn't quite work right
Dec 21 21:58:13 <Pradeep> so meego is so closed source
Dec 21 21:58:16 <SpeedEvil> ah
Dec 21 21:58:16 <Pradeep> then
Dec 21 21:58:19 <wmarone> no, it's not.
Dec 21 21:58:22 <luke-jr> Pradeep: yes
Dec 21 21:58:30 <luke-jr> Pradeep: at least, MeeGo for N900
Dec 21 21:58:35 <luke-jr> and MeeGo for any other handheld
Dec 21 21:58:40 <Pradeep> but built on linux
Dec 21 21:58:45 <Pradeep> i it funny
Dec 21 21:58:48 <luke-jr> since there is no such thing as a handheld with free 3D drivers
Dec 21 21:59:19 <luke-jr> Pradeep: pretty sure 2D works fine ☺
Dec 21 21:59:43 <piggz_> that was weird, my mail stopped working on the n900, and when i debugged it, it said my /home filesystem  was readonly.  a reboot has sorted it, probably by running a fsck, but it has ruined my uptime!
Dec 21 21:59:44 <Venemo> Pradeep: MeeGo is open. _some_ drivers are closed.
Dec 21 21:59:48 <Pradeep> lol
Dec 21 21:59:54 <Venemo> Pradeep: also note that MeeGo is more open than Maemo
Dec 21 22:00:05 <luke-jr> Venemo: for MeeGo to be open, 100% of its components must be open
Dec 21 22:00:05 <Venemo> piggz_: lol
Dec 21 22:00:05 <weeeedar> i already stumbled across that 3d issue today, will mplayer on n900 ever be able to use the gpu? :/
Dec 21 22:00:23 <luke-jr> weeeedar: that's not a 3D issue
Dec 21 22:00:28 <luke-jr> mplayer doesn't use 3D
Dec 21 22:00:30 <wmarone> luke-jr: and last I checked they are. The closed bits are not part of MeeGo.
Dec 21 22:00:33 <luke-jr> that's a DSP issue
Dec 21 22:00:42 <weeeedar> oh
Dec 21 22:01:50 <pupnik> probably not
Dec 21 22:01:52 <weeeedar> is there a way to play .mkv including h264? i read mplayer should at least play it slow, which it doesnt here
Dec 21 22:02:16 <luke-jr> weeeedar: even my desktop PC can't play h264
Dec 21 22:02:41 <weeeedar> why is that?
Dec 21 22:02:58 <pupnik> because it demands incredible resources to decode
Dec 21 22:02:59 <luke-jr> dunno, h264 codecs suck?
Dec 21 22:03:03 <wmarone> weeeedar: you can, extremely slowly, if you reencode the video to something much lower resolution. you miss out on dsp acceleration
Dec 21 22:03:16 <weeeedar> the resolution is low
Dec 21 22:03:20 <weeeedar> standard definition
Dec 21 22:03:28 <weeeedar> just the container sadly is mkv :/
Dec 21 22:03:29 <nox-> hm is there nothing like vdpau for mobiles?  or is that all done on dsp?
Dec 21 22:03:44 <wmarone> mkv isn't relevant, since it's just a container
Dec 21 22:03:55 <luke-jr> nox-: the DSP *is* like vdpau
Dec 21 22:04:03 <luke-jr> nox-: and vdpau is a Windows thing
Dec 21 22:04:04 <nox-> mm ok
Dec 21 22:04:12 <nox-> well linux/freebsd too
Dec 21 22:04:16 <luke-jr> nox-: not really
Dec 21 22:04:22 <luke-jr> I'm not aware of Linux having any vdpau support
Dec 21 22:04:28 <nox-> it does
Dec 21 22:04:28 <comawhite> blah i can't get unlimited web with t-mobile :(
Dec 21 22:04:33 <nox-> with nvidia blobs
Dec 21 22:04:37 <luke-jr> nox-: that's not Linux anymore
Dec 21 22:04:39 <comawhite> the other service i can get unlimited web just no 3g
Dec 21 22:04:40 <luke-jr> it's nVidia blobs
Dec 21 22:04:41 <nox-> haha ok
Dec 21 22:04:54 <luke-jr> comawhite: …
Dec 21 22:04:58 <nox-> now i get you :)
Dec 21 22:04:59 <comawhite> ?
Dec 21 22:05:54 <luke-jr> SimplyMobile never answered my inquiry
Dec 21 22:05:59 <luke-jr> comawhite: did you get SM?
Dec 21 22:06:09 <comawhite> luke-jr, SM no 3g
Dec 21 22:06:11 <weeeedar> hm dsp acceleration is necessary for resolutions below 720p?
Dec 21 22:06:17 <luke-jr> comawhite: nonsense/
Dec 21 22:06:18 <luke-jr> ?
Dec 21 22:06:23 <weeeedar> even my old touch diamond plays these files just fine
Dec 21 22:06:39 <comawhite> luke-jr, What phones work on Simple Mobile 3G? Only phones with 1700/2100 AWS band work on our 3G network.
Dec 21 22:06:55 <comawhite> 3G Network HSDPA 900 / 1700 / 2100
Dec 21 22:06:59 <comawhite> =[
Dec 21 22:07:05 <luke-jr> …
Dec 21 22:07:35 <nox-> n900 cant use those freqs?
Dec 21 22:07:52 <comawhite> idk much about cell phones
Dec 21 22:07:54 <luke-jr> nox-: pretty sure it can, he's just being retarded or smth
Dec 21 22:07:59 <nox-> mh
Dec 21 22:08:01 <comawhite> luke-jr, ^^
Dec 21 22:08:10 <comawhite> im inept about cell phones
Dec 21 22:08:26 <luke-jr> comawhite: SM says 1700/2100. N900 says 1700/2100. WTF IS THE PROBLEM?
Dec 21 22:08:41 <comawhite> I was looking at AWS
Dec 21 22:34:52 <pupnik> javispedro: touchscreen in upstream dosbox is still a mess
Dec 21 22:35:14 <javispedro> pupnik: and I know why. It's just unfixable without potentially patching applications.
Dec 21 22:35:40 <pupnik> ok i thought you told me it was fixable :O
Dec 21 22:35:46 <pupnik> that's what i thought too
Dec 21 22:35:53 <javispedro> you mean the miscalibration one?
Dec 21 22:36:08 <pupnik> well i just tried angstrom's and it's not usable with some apps
Dec 21 22:36:31 <pupnik> ah well, such is life
Dec 21 22:36:33 <javispedro>  remember this  thread? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42423
Dec 21 22:36:36 <pupnik> dos was never meant for mouse
Dec 21 22:37:03 <pupnik> oh good explanation
Dec 21 22:38:04 <pupnik> what else is new
Dec 21 22:38:16 <pupnik> btw yes it's fixable
Dec 21 22:38:24 <pupnik> use it as a dpad and click with a button
Dec 21 22:38:26 <pupnik> heheh
Dec 21 22:38:27 <javispedro> :)
Dec 21 22:38:47 <javispedro> you are right, and it might work better that way on a ugly capacitive screen
Dec 21 22:39:33 <pupnik> settable in dosbox.conf too
Dec 21 22:39:39 <javispedro> also
Dec 21 22:39:54 <javispedro> games that use cutemouse or similar mouse driver could theoretically be fixed
Dec 21 22:40:12 <javispedro> windows too.
Dec 21 22:40:40 <javispedro> of course this excludes the large set of propietary/unknown mouse drivers.
Dec 21 22:41:46 <pupnik> how many cycles were you getting in 286-386 type apps?
Dec 21 22:41:54 <pupnik> before sound break up?
Dec 21 22:42:09 <javispedro> hum
Dec 21 22:42:23 <javispedro> do not remember right now =)
Dec 21 22:42:29 <javispedro> tbh I usually don't leave auto mode
Dec 21 22:42:45 <javispedro> works well enough for me (usually all audio I want is beeeep)
Dec 21 22:43:01 <weeeedar> do you know GameGripper, and what do you think of it?
Dec 21 22:43:03 <weeeedar> http://www.game-gripper.eu/buy_n900.aspx
Dec 21 22:43:13 <weeeedar> theres a video, too. cant find it right now
Dec 21 22:43:42 <GAN900> Good way to wear out your keyboard.
Dec 21 22:43:50 <GAN900> Be better if it were Bluetooth.
Dec 21 22:44:11 <weeeedar> as for bluetooth you can just use a wiimote oder sixaxis
Dec 21 22:44:11 <pupnik> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_piXE8lFEABo/TRAsS7XZ0II/AAAAAAAAA-c/jN_AvphDLdM/s1600/tumblr_ldqhq6rijY1qc3wjlo1_500.jpg  speaking of which
Dec 21 22:44:31 <weeeedar> but this thingie doesnt need any batteries
Dec 21 22:44:39 <javispedro> pupnik: in year 2010, you just take the N900 and go outside to play ;)
Dec 21 22:44:52 <pupnik> mhm
Dec 21 22:45:02 <pupnik> and maybe in 2011 even pandora
Dec 21 22:45:07 <weeeedar> lol
Dec 21 22:45:24 <RST38h> pandora? is it out?
Dec 21 22:46:04 <pupnik> sure a few hundred are
Dec 21 22:48:06 <chx> The first 4000 units are currently in production, over 900 are already delivered. If all goes well, the 4000 units will be delivered until the end of December.
Dec 21 22:48:53 * MohammadAG stabs pandora
Dec 21 22:48:59 <pupnik_> chx: that's not correect
Dec 21 22:49:02 <MohammadAG> I thought it was a meego device when I glanced at the channel
Dec 21 22:49:09 <chx> pupnik_: i copied it from their website....
Dec 21 22:49:17 <pupnik_> well it's  outdated
Dec 21 22:49:29 <chx> But let's congratulate them for creating an ever more niche Linux handheld than any of the Nokia Internet tablets!
Dec 21 22:49:37 <chx> that certainly takes a lot of effort...
Dec 21 22:49:47 <pupnik_> i congratulate them for persistence
Dec 21 22:49:54 <javispedro> s/niche/open
Dec 21 22:50:17 <pupnik_> javispedro: just ran pandora snes on my tablet today :D
Dec 21 22:50:34 <javispedro> and.. is it better? :)
Dec 21 22:50:44 <pupnik_> no, it's very slow
Dec 21 22:50:49 <javispedro> oh
Dec 21 22:50:57 <pupnik_> something weird is happening - but it does run]
Dec 21 22:51:05 <pupnik_> i mean, the binary
Dec 21 22:51:10 <pupnik_> actually runs on the archos
Dec 21 22:51:12 <javispedro> THE ACTUAL PANDORA BINARY?
Dec 21 22:51:16 <pupnik_> yes
Dec 21 22:51:28 <javispedro> no armv7 instructions? O.o
Dec 21 22:51:31 <javispedro> not even uxtb??
Dec 21 22:51:45 <pupnik_> not talking about pocketsnes - sorry this is their snes9x version
Dec 21 22:52:02 <pupnik_> sdl backend, C code, no asm cores
Dec 21 22:52:12 <javispedro> but something's weird
Dec 21 22:52:19 <javispedro> the optimizer is doing a horrible job
Dec 21 22:52:33 <pupnik_> i also just ran a maemo5 binary on the tablet today :D
Dec 21 22:52:33 <javispedro> iirc and the part I'm thinking of is common between pocketsnes and snes9x
Dec 21 22:52:43 <pupnik_> hmm
Dec 21 22:53:09 <pupnik_> i haven't looked at it in too long
Dec 21 22:53:40 <RST38h> vanilla snes9x will be very slow on an arm
Dec 21 22:53:51 <RST38h> not designed for low-power architectures
Dec 21 22:54:08 <pupnik_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsGFinU22zA  maemo5 binary on my archos
Dec 21 22:54:37 <javispedro> objdump -d drnoksnes | grep -c uxtb ---> 768 matches
Dec 21 22:54:40 <pupnik_> RST38h: lots of look-up tables?
Dec 21 22:54:49 <javispedro> and that's only one single armv7 instruction
Dec 21 22:55:12 <RST38h> pupnik: Don't remember
Dec 21 22:55:29 <RST38h> pupnik: Just pretty sloppy code from what I remember. Lots of memory accesses.
Dec 21 22:55:40 <javispedro> stupid renderer also
Dec 21 22:55:50 <RST38h> anyway, sleep time
Dec 21 22:56:09 <javispedro> cya RST38h
Dec 21 22:56:18 <jacekowski> well, lot of memory accesses to same place in memory will hit cache anyways
Dec 21 22:56:27 <pupnik_> pupnik@archos-gen8:~/snes$ objdump -d snes9x | grep -c uxtb
Dec 21 22:56:27 <pupnik_> 1756
Dec 21 22:56:38 <javispedro> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
Dec 21 22:56:40 <javispedro> archos tablet
Dec 21 22:56:47 <javispedro> sorry, thought n8x0
Dec 21 22:56:54 <pupnik_> ah noewp
Dec 21 22:57:04 <pupnik_> cu RST38h
Dec 21 22:58:25 <javispedro> tablet still pretty much means n8x0 to me =)
Dec 21 22:58:26 <pupnik_> wonderful how i don't lose my shell when i disconnect usb-network and reconnect it later
Dec 21 22:58:29 <javispedro> hehe
Dec 21 22:58:31 <crashanddie_> alterego: ping
Dec 21 22:58:40 <alterego> crashanddie_: pong
Dec 21 22:59:03 <crashanddie_> alterego: how do I get Qt Creator to not show warnings on #include <glib.h> ?
Dec 21 22:59:21 <alterego> Hrm, what kind of warnings?
Dec 21 22:59:39 <MohammadAG> alterego, see other chan
Dec 21 23:00:17 <pupnik_> i'm seriously considering cutting my mattress in half and rotating the ends so the sunken-middle effect goes away
Dec 21 23:02:46 <alterego> Heh
Dec 21 23:08:14 <javispedro> pupnik_: btw, I also used a bad example, as uxtb is on armv6 actually =)
Dec 21 23:08:42 <pupnik_> well it answered your question
Dec 21 23:08:50 <javispedro> mostly :)
Dec 21 23:09:01 <pupnik_> i should try your build and strip out hildonness
Dec 21 23:09:09 <pupnik_> \no.. other things to do
Dec 21 23:09:45 <javispedro> it should be very easy
Dec 21 23:09:51 <javispedro> it's been ported to the webos
Dec 21 23:10:43 <javispedro> also, on the webos drnoksnes runs more roms :) (seemingly maintainer there decided the asm cores were not that important and disabled them)
Dec 21 23:10:51 <javispedro> but that's another story..
Dec 21 23:10:54 <pupnik_> hahah
Dec 21 23:11:22 <pupnik_> do you still have a simple renderer in there?  that just uses X?
Dec 21 23:11:32 <javispedro> uses SDL
Dec 21 23:11:34 <javispedro> yes.
Dec 21 23:11:57 <pupnik_> kk
Dec 21 23:12:10 <javispedro> there's a configure script even :)
Dec 21 23:12:22 <pupnik_> wow, you went all-out
Dec 21 23:12:56 <pupnik_> what's interesting to you nowadays?
Dec 21 23:13:26 <javispedro> well, not really concrete lately
Dec 21 23:13:39 <javispedro> s/really/anything
Dec 21 23:14:17 <pupnik_> i'm afraid same
Dec 21 23:14:24 <javispedro> it's christmas
Dec 21 23:14:33 <pupnik_> read a little about SSE and how people speed up code with that
Dec 21 23:14:36 <javispedro> last thing I'd want is a timesinking project :)
Dec 21 23:14:38 <pupnik_> it's impressive what people do
Dec 21 23:14:39 <pupnik_> yeah
Dec 21 23:26:44 <FIQ> Hey javispedro, jttl_audio.so @ m64p is yours?
Dec 21 23:27:30 <javispedro> FIQ: no, why?
Dec 21 23:48:18 <FIQ> javispedro, because someone said you had the best of the plugins in the forums
Dec 21 23:48:29 <FIQ> Whatever, guess i'll go and google it up
Dec 21 23:50:04 <javispedro> FIQ: he was probably talking about pa64; if you got it from extras you probably have it already, and it does not make an important difference
Dec 21 23:50:21 <javispedro> s/got it/got mupen64plus
Dec 21 23:50:59 <comawhite> luke-jr, well i have SM , had to pay $85
Dec 21 23:59:01 <pupnik_> http://forum.archosfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=33129   maemo/mer on gen7 archos
Dec 22 00:12:25 <comawhite> anyone having trouble with msn haze in conversations? I can't seem to sign in
Dec 22 00:12:35 <comawhite> but aim and fb does
Dec 22 00:14:36 <comawhite> finally got gps
Dec 22 00:35:54 <comawhite> i love my n900 :D
Dec 22 00:36:22 <comawhite> too bad it's going to be weird to use an irc client on it
Dec 22 00:37:18 <valeriusN> comawhite: xchat works just fine on it for me ;-)
Dec 22 00:38:15 <comawhite> well xchat isn't native either
Dec 22 00:38:25 <comawhite> im writing my own irc client so yeah
Dec 22 00:38:34 * valeriusN just tried hostmode-enabler gui yesterday. flash disk and mouse work just fine ;)
Dec 22 00:38:40 <comawhite> it will have a native interface
Dec 22 00:38:50 <valeriusN> comawhite cool
Dec 22 00:39:19 <comawhite> how long does it take to charge an almost dead battery?
Dec 22 00:39:51 <valeriusN> comawhite: I like MIRGGI on symbian -- very comfortable to use (but one minus -- it cannot reconnect when connection is lost)
Dec 22 00:40:05 <comawhite> ah
Dec 22 00:40:11 <comawhite> screenie?
Dec 22 00:40:35 <comawhite> i plan to support both landscape and portrait mode
Dec 22 00:41:05 <valeriusN> comawhite: yes, very comfortable on a small screen
Dec 22 00:41:20 <weeeedar> there is a solution for irc inside conversations in i think extras devel
Dec 22 00:41:42 <comawhite> user list/server list and channel list all have their own view and it will scroll and have sexy look to it
Dec 22 00:42:14 <comawhite> weeeedar, well mine will be a full blown out irc client with scripting/possible plugins, adium themes, etc
Dec 22 00:42:40 <weeeedar> http://maemo.org/packages/view/account-plugin-idle/
Dec 22 00:42:46 <comawhite> yeah i know
Dec 22 00:42:52 <weeeedar> scripting api sounds nice
Dec 22 00:42:57 <weeeedar> what will it be like?
Dec 22 00:43:13 * valeriusN bought my n900 two weeks ago, first thing I did I bought a bigger battery from Mugen Power -- yesterday I had 12 hours of GPRS, now disconnected and it's still alive in stabdby mode
Dec 22 00:43:15 <comawhite> well it has a desktop one, it's being ported to the n900
Dec 22 00:43:30 <comawhite> but the desktop is kde, n900 will be Qt only
Dec 22 00:43:48 <comawhite> valeriusN, i have two batteries
Dec 22 00:44:05 <comawhite> i just need to get up and plug it in
Dec 22 00:45:24 <comawhite> weeeedar, well all views will have their own, scrollable, theme able chat area, multiple servers, multiple identies, scripting, plugins (maybe depending if demand for it), music controller, systems script, full customisable
Dec 22 00:45:46 <comawhite> will support landscape and portrait mode
Dec 22 00:45:58 <weeeedar> before i got my n900, i always thought i NEED a full irc client
Dec 22 00:46:04 <valeriusN> comawhite have only two times charged/discharged the battery, now I used it for 1 day with active use (12 hours of GPRS and wifi with web browsing and continuous hanging on irc)
Dec 22 00:46:17 <weeeedar> try jabber on your n900, even MUC is supported
Dec 22 00:46:24 <weeeedar> multi-user chat
Dec 22 00:46:34 <weeeedar> an irc-plugin in that way would be great
Dec 22 00:46:52 <valeriusN> comawhite: for two batteries it need to be switched off to exchange them :(
Dec 22 00:47:43 <valeriusN> comawhite: music controller? cool, I want to use a nowplay :-)
Dec 22 00:47:58 <weeeedar> that would be awesome :D
Dec 22 00:48:27 <weeeedar> shouldn't nowplay already be possible using xchat?
Dec 22 00:49:26 <comawhite> valdyn, yeah if you want it will display whatever you are listening on your phone to the channel
Dec 22 00:49:30 <valeriusN> weeeedar yes, you can to enable an irc transport in jabber, and you'll be able to use irc together with SMS, very cool feature ;)
Dec 22 00:50:06 <weeeedar> oh
Dec 22 00:50:44 * comawhite is installing firefox
Dec 22 00:50:45 <comawhite> :>
Dec 22 00:50:52 <comawhite> i hope it doesn't suck
Dec 22 00:50:55 <weeeedar> how does that work? would it be possible to talk to irc-channels if transported through jabber?
Dec 22 00:53:57 <timeless_mbp> so, conversations in 1.3 does support skype group chat iirc
Dec 22 00:54:07 <timeless_mbp> but i'm not quite sure how they did it
Dec 22 00:54:13 * timeless_mbp doesn't use it
Dec 22 00:54:37 <timeless_mbp> (or i could be imagining things)
Dec 22 00:55:14 <weeeedar> i currently have to use skype, irc, jabber, and icq to stay connected to my people -_-
Dec 22 00:55:30 <weeeedar> why an' just everyone use ONE protocol..
Dec 22 00:55:36 <weeeedar> *can't
Dec 22 00:55:42 <timeless_mbp> email? :)
Dec 22 00:55:47 <valeriusN> weeeedar: I don't know yet -- I am new to jabber (I used irc for the long time), but enabled an ICQ transport. Now I use ICQ through jabber server -- nothing is needed from jabber client, all is made on server side. I didn't yet tried an IRC transport for jabber but think it is enabled likewise
Dec 22 00:56:04 <jacekowski> anybody tried that serial streaming in columbus?
Dec 22 00:57:35 <weeeedar> Features
Dec 22 00:57:35 <weeeedar>     * Every IRC network should be supported.
Dec 22 00:57:35 <weeeedar>     * A user can have many rooms open on different networks
Dec 22 00:57:39 <weeeedar> oh great
Dec 22 00:57:54 <weeeedar> finally irc group chat in conversations through jabber :D
Dec 22 01:10:37 <ds3> 9
Dec 22 01:15:56 <b-man`> 8
Dec 22 01:16:31 <Noma> 7
Dec 22 01:19:36 <weeeedar> 6
Dec 22 01:19:47 <timeless_mbp> 2
Dec 22 01:19:53 <b-man`> damn you! xD
Dec 22 01:19:59 <weeeedar> ^^
Dec 22 01:28:34 <comawhite> i can do pc suite with my phone in windows 7
Dec 22 01:28:40 <comawhite> it just won't connect
Dec 22 01:28:54 <comawhite> then i get insufficent power to charge
Dec 22 01:29:45 <comawhite> blah lemme reboot
Dec 22 01:30:03 <valeriusN> comawhite: if you want to charge -- try connecting a charger not a PC cable -- it has more power
Dec 22 01:30:40 <valeriusN> comawhite: I used PC suite with n900 in win7 x64 -- it works
Dec 22 01:32:35 <weeeedar> works here, too (win7 x86)
Dec 22 01:33:27 <weeeedar> anyone ever tried to transfer mp3s through that ovi suite?
Dec 22 01:34:04 <weeeedar> had to do it 5 times, some files were always skipped with a random error
Dec 22 01:36:12 <valeriusN> weeeedar it is more convenient to install openssh on the phone and copy through scp ;) and faster, I think
Dec 22 01:37:13 <weeeedar> due to n900s huge capacity transfering mp3s was a one-time-action :D
Dec 22 01:37:28 <weeeedar> my library is only 27gb ;)
Dec 22 01:39:18 <SpeedEvil> I rsynced my n900 prior to flashing
Dec 22 01:39:27 <valeriusN> wweeeedar: then it is better to copy them through USB MSD :)
Dec 22 01:39:33 <SpeedEvil> I was worried that rsync said some files couldn't be read - so I retried
Dec 22 01:39:40 <SpeedEvil> It was going into sys and proc
Dec 22 01:44:05 <weeeedar> i usually use usb msd, but being completely new to that ovi suite, i thought hey lets give it a try
Dec 22 01:44:17 <weeeedar> and i got disappointed as expected ;)
Dec 22 01:45:05 <SpeedEvil> On a related matter.
Dec 22 01:45:08 <SpeedEvil> I have 'backup'
Dec 22 01:45:19 <Macer> uhm
Dec 22 01:45:33 <SpeedEvil> If I backup and then restore onto another n900, is the restore the union of all conversations
Dec 22 01:45:40 <SpeedEvil> or does the restore wipe the old
Dec 22 01:51:59 <comawhite> bloody hell nokia pc suite won't connect :(
Dec 22 01:52:18 * FauxFaux tries the hostmode stuff through a terrible usb hub instead of a female->female adaptor and just gets stack-traces in dmesg.
Dec 22 01:53:31 <weeeedar> any errors on the driver in device manager coma?
Dec 22 01:55:31 <comawhite> weeeedar, bunch of yellow icons
Dec 22 01:56:03 <comawhite> usb obex, usb generic and usb modem
Dec 22 01:58:01 <weeeedar> yellow exclamation mark icons?
Dec 22 01:58:43 <comawhite> yes
Dec 22 01:58:59 <weeeedar> whats the error code?
Dec 22 01:59:04 <comawhite> idk
Dec 22 01:59:10 <comawhite> i haven't used windows in a long time
Dec 22 01:59:11 <comawhite> xD
Dec 22 01:59:23 <weeeedar> it should display the code upon click on the device
Dec 22 02:01:06 <Lantizia> Lo any ideas if I can get the N900 to dial a prefix before any number? (without editing all my phone book)
Dec 22 02:02:38 <comawhite> well now it's doing it
Dec 22 02:02:46 <comawhite> blah iono wtf is going on
Dec 22 02:03:10 <weeeedar> perhaps you could export your phonebook to a format readable by common texteditors and use replace for +23 to x+23
Dec 22 02:09:16 <comawhite> hmm taking forever to download these drivers
Dec 22 02:10:13 <Lantizia> weeeedar, (without editing all my phone book)
Dec 22 02:13:34 <weeeedar> yeah, thought you excluded that option because of the manual work behind it.
Dec 22 02:46:04 <javispedro> yet another crazy rumour: microsoft to launch windows nt for arm in CES
Dec 22 02:52:47 <comawhite> is it possible to set custom ringtones for contacts?
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