**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 23 02:59:58 2010 Dec 23 03:05:19 hi Dec 23 03:05:30 NO Dec 23 03:06:14 is there a utitility that can configure the startup services in maemo 5 ? Dec 23 03:08:07 lol luke-jr Dec 23 03:11:02 i was working on switching from samba to cifs on my openindiana box today Dec 23 03:11:22 what a pain. got stupified by a damn pam module Dec 23 03:22:47 PAM is super fun Dec 23 03:32:08 is there a utitility that can configure the startup services in maemo 5 ? Dec 23 03:52:57 i found maemo-control-services but it's for os2008 Dec 23 03:53:58 what service are you trying to disable? Dec 23 03:58:47 well i don' know Dec 23 03:59:40 when i install i disable half of the services cuause they are useless Dec 23 04:00:01 but i am not familiar with this os Dec 23 04:00:48 so need an app to present and be able to disable startup services Dec 23 04:00:55 disabling services you don't understand is a great way to end up in a reboot loop Dec 23 04:01:15 and as for the services that aren't strictly needed, there's likely instructions on how to disable them by hand Dec 23 04:01:49 think of the requirement of doing it by hand as a way for the user to state "I really know what I'm doing" Dec 23 04:02:28 Disabling random 'useless' shit will maek the platform stop working. Dec 23 04:02:46 Disabling tracker, for example, will break the camera and media player apps, for a start Dec 23 04:03:53 so, I guess the good news out of this is: there's very few useless services :) Dec 23 04:04:06 i know Dec 23 04:04:07 basically, yes. Dec 23 04:04:15 Or rather - sort-of. Dec 23 04:04:27 so is there an app to do this ? Dec 23 04:04:31 Tracker could be useless, if the other stuff diddn't rely on it heavily Dec 23 04:04:32 vim Dec 23 04:04:37 Loom, rm on the command line Dec 23 04:04:57 hm Dec 23 04:04:58 remove the symlinks in the runlevel directory you want the service to not start in Dec 23 04:05:03 Look at dsmetool Dec 23 04:05:10 look at /etc/* Dec 23 04:05:19 understand how the processes are started Dec 23 04:05:29 etc is prety big Dec 23 04:05:45 work out how to do one-shot scripts that don't start it on one boot, and revert for the next boot, in case it doesn't work Dec 23 04:05:46 yes Dec 23 04:06:18 Loom, Well it's /etc/rc?.d/* for some services, and other places for other services Dec 23 04:09:18 i am trying to avoid the command line bullcrap... Dec 23 04:10:51 lol Dec 23 04:11:09 just talk to the phone Loom Dec 23 04:11:17 maybe it will start to listen to you Dec 23 04:11:36 i can just delete em using the filebox but since they are in varius places how do i find em ? Dec 23 04:12:05 Loom, you don't even know which service you want to stop. that's the problem Dec 23 04:12:36 if you asked "How can I turn off BME and what are the consequences?" we'd be able to tell you something Dec 23 04:40:46 morning Dec 23 05:02:11 yup just found 1 for ex in /etc/event.d Dec 23 05:03:13 i had install netstory but it didn't work with 1.3 package Dec 23 05:03:27 so i uninstalled it Dec 23 05:03:56 but the script with the daenmon is still there Dec 23 05:04:51 i beileve that maemo's uninstall is crap Dec 23 05:05:22 and there is alot more services to go Dec 23 05:09:32 morning Dec 23 07:08:53 hi Dec 23 07:49:40 good morning, is there any way to just ignore the pubkeys error and let aptitude update the repos silently? Dec 23 07:50:17 i'm getting these errors day in day out... i have imported the keys from subkeys.pgp.net but it doesn't seem to fix the problem Dec 23 07:52:31 biston, I don't think Nokia signs the extras repository Dec 23 07:52:40 it's some kind of weird policy decision Dec 23 07:53:34 what happens if you add '--allow-untrusted'? Dec 23 07:56:23 to apt-get update ? Dec 23 07:56:28 let me try that Dec 23 07:56:52 you said aptitude earlier :P Dec 23 07:56:57 ah Dec 23 07:56:57 with apt-get it's something different Dec 23 07:57:49 alright, trying to update repos with aptitude update --allow-untrusted Dec 23 07:58:37 err, wait, you just want the warning messages to go away? Dec 23 07:58:55 no just to go away, i want to properly update the repos ofc Dec 23 07:59:05 they are updated correctly Dec 23 07:59:15 when i get an error like : Dec 23 07:59:15 W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3 Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG E40DC434616730BD maemo.org Extras repositories (Fremantle Extras) Dec 23 07:59:22 yes, they're updated correctly Dec 23 07:59:23 it still means that everything was updated? Dec 23 07:59:32 oh, alright, i did not know that Dec 23 07:59:45 it's the difference between Dec 23 07:59:50 'warning' and 'error' Dec 23 07:59:55 W: Dec 23 07:59:58 yup alright Dec 23 08:01:34 thanks a lot johnx i got the answers/results i needed Dec 23 08:01:48 no problem :) Dec 23 08:01:52 glad I could clear that up Dec 23 08:02:06 see ya Dec 23 08:04:54 having to tap to cancel a box on Android is so brain dead... wonder nokia patented the click outside to cancel thing Dec 23 08:05:27 they probably couldn't patent it. I've seen it on web pages for a while before maemo 5 Dec 23 08:06:57 wonder why Android choosed such a brain dead interface then... it is like everything there is modal Dec 23 08:07:59 it tends to be that way on such a small screen. I have to admit I wasn't super impressed with android's UI Dec 23 08:08:20 actually, what I want to see more people imitating is palm's webOS Dec 23 08:09:20 don't think I could find a demo of the webOS gui to play with Dec 23 08:10:41 neither can I :| Dec 23 08:10:52 I actually got to play with someone's phone Dec 23 08:11:06 ah Dec 23 08:14:30 * comawhite starting to wonder if making an irc client for n900 is really worth it Dec 23 08:14:49 comawhite, not liking xchat? Dec 23 08:14:50 the screen it too small to really benefit from reading a channel especially if it moves really fast Dec 23 08:15:04 johnx, it's not native to the n900 Dec 23 08:15:29 well, it's not entirely 'hildonized' but I've got mine setup well enough Dec 23 08:15:31 plus I have to build mobility experience since programming jobs in Qt based jobs require mobility experience more and more now Dec 23 08:16:10 plus my app will be better than xchat on the n900 anyways Dec 23 08:16:20 just wonder about the text size etc Dec 23 08:16:21 well, in that case, I think there's a lot you can do to streamline the IRC experience to make it work better on a small screen Dec 23 08:16:42 text size *really, really* needs to be selectable by the user :) Dec 23 08:16:53 it will be Dec 23 08:17:02 problem solved, then :) Dec 23 08:17:18 irc is not really suitable for the N900 from a power standpoint Dec 23 08:17:19 but you'll have to edit the style to do it, since it wll be supporting adium themes Dec 23 08:17:33 ds3, that also Dec 23 08:18:34 I can see what you mean :| Dec 23 08:18:55 i think the current client is great for an inbetween pc irc client Dec 23 08:19:24 i use it alot coming home from work or at meetings that are boring the shit out of me lol Dec 23 08:19:56 talonz, play bullshit bingo Dec 23 08:19:56 :P Dec 23 08:20:07 lol Dec 23 08:21:43 talonz, well if you have a bouncer like I do, you'd have no trouble using it inbetween pc's Dec 23 08:22:00 I might have to figure something out for people who don't use a bouncer Dec 23 08:22:05 in terms of the battery life thing, all I can think of is doing some kind of weird store and forward IRC 'proxy' that sits between the N900 and the IRC server Dec 23 08:22:16 but i could leave it up for end developers to make Dec 23 08:22:32 bouncer is probably the word I was looking for :) Dec 23 08:22:41 johnx: that stuff exists Dec 23 08:22:47 yeah I use a bouncer between my 2 pc's Dec 23 08:24:11 so the bouncer will build up a cache of messages and then push them down to the N900 every so often -or- when the user puts IRC in the foreground -or- someone mentions the user's name Dec 23 08:24:17 is it something along those lines? Dec 23 08:24:32 if my client takes off, i can always get suggestions from end users to help make it much better Dec 23 08:25:05 oh, I'm sure you'll get suggestions whether it takes off or not :> Dec 23 08:25:23 johnx, basically what happens is, the messages are relayed to all the clients that are connected to the bouncer simultaneously. Dec 23 08:25:58 comawhite, which doesn't really solve the power problem at all in the case of the N900 Dec 23 08:27:09 yeah Dec 23 08:27:46 im trying to make it as minimalistic as possible so it doesn't use much cpu Dec 23 08:28:00 that helps Dec 23 08:28:01 which cpu usage causes battery life to go down Dec 23 08:28:32 but keeping the network iface receiving all the time will be pretty bad as well Dec 23 08:29:35 the only one thing I worry about is the who reply (so I can update user's hostmask, etc) Dec 23 08:29:57 johnx, well it's not like msn, aim, yahoo, etc. It's real time chat Dec 23 08:30:20 how long does the battery last with xchat? Dec 23 08:30:29 yeah. I got that. but when it's in the background, a lot of people don't care unless they get mentioned, especially on a mobile device Dec 23 08:30:55 sounds like someone should do a test with xchat :) Dec 23 08:31:13 well if there is a way to tell if an application is in the background, I could disable quite a few things to make it not use much resources Dec 23 08:31:42 I'm sure there is Dec 23 08:32:12 i'll have to ask some Qt maemo developers in #qt-maemo and see what I can find out about it Dec 23 08:32:53 should be able to tell if the device is 'locked' as well Dec 23 08:33:42 well I can limit who replies for only the current channel, that will minimise the list updates and just when the user changes channels it will update it Dec 23 08:34:07 i played tap tap revenge 4 on iphone4, maemo sucks =))) Dec 23 08:34:17 maemo is awesome Dec 23 08:34:33 I want to test meego and nitroid out :P Dec 23 08:34:49 than do it Dec 23 08:34:49 but not sure at how to go about it Dec 23 08:35:10 since im still getting used to the n900 (only had it for a day or so) :P Dec 23 08:35:50 it'd be cool to do all the maemo-ish things when the user gets hilighted, basically have it behave just like the text message/IM app Dec 23 08:36:25 johnx, I will support notifications (like you get with sms) if Qt provides an api for it Dec 23 08:36:57 how can I know if my emmc is broken? Dec 23 08:37:09 I'm having flashinf problems Dec 23 08:37:53 what is emmc? Dec 23 08:38:25 the 'embedded mmc' card, where /home and /opt live Dec 23 08:38:34 ah Dec 23 08:38:46 it's a soldered-on SD card Dec 23 08:38:54 well, basically at least Dec 23 08:39:25 anyways, 12:30. time for bed :) Dec 23 08:40:40 goodnight johnsu01 Dec 23 08:40:43 johnx, * Dec 23 08:41:08 ??? Dec 23 08:53:39 Morning, all Dec 23 08:53:47 MohammadAG: pong Dec 23 08:53:58 morning Jaffa Dec 23 08:54:04 morning Dec 23 08:54:17 khertan: Khweeteur 0.1.6-2 doesn't start for me: error imporitng khweeteur_experimental Dec 23 08:58:05 Jaffa, ? gni ? Dec 23 08:58:21 did you use experimental or "stable" ? Dec 23 08:58:47 did both version are installed at the same time ? Dec 23 09:01:12 khertan: Err, khweeteur-experimental has same ver number? Anyway, it's not installed, just khweeteur. Not sure I've ever installed -experimental... Dec 23 09:02:47 yep same version number Dec 23 09:03:44 can you see if /usr/lib/python/site-packages/khweeteur and /usr/lib/python/site-packages/khweeteur-experimental exists ? Dec 23 09:04:27 Jaffa, did you just update from old version (<0.1.5-2) ? In this case remove it, and reinstall it Dec 23 09:04:38 khertan: yes. Dec 23 09:04:41 i ve put a rm in the postremove script Dec 23 09:05:00 and didn't realize that postrm is called after the update Dec 23 09:05:11 khertan: hmm. maybe preinst or postinst better? Dec 23 09:05:31 Jaffa, this is for removing residual file due to python compilation Dec 23 09:05:54 praise be to santa, Python scripting callbacks work at last! Dec 23 09:06:07 any idea how to check if emmc is broken? Dec 23 09:06:24 khertan: doing it in postinst (as well) before compiling new ones would mean seamless upgrade wouldn't it? Dec 23 09:06:57 yep but will let residual foile Dec 23 09:07:03 khertan: re-installing... Dec 23 09:07:07 file when you just remove it Dec 23 09:07:43 which is better gsm or cdma? Dec 23 09:07:51 comawhite, wifi Dec 23 09:07:58 khertan: do it in both. Not having the package upgradable is a bit of a blocker IMHO Dec 23 09:08:09 i thought gdm/cdma was only for talking and not for web Dec 23 09:08:15 Jaffa, yep :) but i ll not do it again imho :) Dec 23 09:08:32 Jaffa, this was an error in a extras-devel package :) Dec 23 09:08:44 khertan: ah, ok :) Dec 23 09:08:56 khertan: no tweets shown, and no errors in console Dec 23 09:08:57 Jaffa, i didn't want to push that in prod :) Dec 23 09:09:12 Jaffa, authentified ? Dec 23 09:09:49 Jaffa, after some update, i remove cache, as there is some changes in the cache format Dec 23 09:10:49 khertan: ah Dec 23 09:11:19 khertan: feature request: prompt for auth if neither identi.ca or twitter authenticated? Dec 23 09:11:48 hum ... yep good feature request :) Dec 23 09:14:53 khertan: working now :) Dec 23 09:15:25 :) Dec 23 09:15:49 can I get some help? Dec 23 09:21:32 ~ask Dec 23 09:21:32 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Dec 23 09:26:16 Jaffa, about that ... i got many email from many users about the broken package in extras-devel Dec 23 09:26:27 Jaffa, it s look like everyone is using extras-devel Dec 23 09:39:14 lcuk: ping Dec 23 09:52:45 finally managed to get tmobile's 3g to work on my phone, it was annoying Dec 23 10:02:07 what was the secret? Dec 23 10:03:53 lardman, well I have SimpleMobile, I forgot to set the apn to simple and remove the username and password Dec 23 10:03:53 xD Dec 23 10:04:47 ah :) Dec 23 10:05:49 :) Dec 23 10:06:13 now I have internet where I go, no more stuck only having sms/phone Dec 23 10:07:06 now if only I can make the phone not go in to a hard lock after 5 seconds - 10 seconds Dec 23 10:07:14 gahhhh!! some things are just utterly broken on the n900. I want to play some music from back home. I install sshfs to mount the share. /dev/fuse not allowed... I chmod 777 it out of rage, now mounting works, and the user can see the files, but the 'file browser' thing can't Dec 23 10:07:31 i don't mind going black, just like to tap on the screen to unlock instead of hitting the side buttons Dec 23 10:07:35 and ofc the media player can't be used to just play files Dec 23 10:07:47 >:( Dec 23 10:08:03 Shapeshifter: it must be possible to tell it to play a specific file as it works with the filemanager Dec 23 10:08:08 Shapeshifter, see if you can install cifs on it Dec 23 10:08:23 cifs?? why would I do such a thing Dec 23 10:08:53 comawhite: you want to disable the screenlock? Why? What happens if it's in your pocket? Dec 23 10:08:56 then do mount // -o username=,password= Dec 23 10:09:21 lardman, I have a case for that ;p Dec 23 10:09:29 it's on my belt ^^ Dec 23 10:09:35 ok Dec 23 10:09:42 pocket == easy wau for scratches Dec 23 10:10:06 settings > display > lock screen automatically Dec 23 10:10:40 lardman, thank you Dec 23 10:10:41 lardman: not from the gui at least. I forgot the builtin player command. I heard mplayer does"'t go through pulse or something? hence it would play on the speakers and not earphones? Dec 23 10:10:46 comawhite: np Dec 23 10:11:06 * khertan just understand why hildon-desktop is so slow ... 4 desktop with four 21Mpixel image is a huge error :) Dec 23 10:11:17 Shapeshifter: not sure about mplayer, but the media-player must have some method of playing a single file, perhaps a DBus call Dec 23 10:11:34 lol @ khertan Dec 23 10:11:36 well that's convenient.... Dec 23 10:11:55 lardman, and to lock it just hit power button or that other button correct? Dec 23 10:12:10 I guess so Dec 23 10:12:15 I've never tried it tbh Dec 23 10:13:38 Shapeshifter: maybe a symlink? Dec 23 10:15:11 huee: the mountpoint is 777 and owned by user:users, so.... Dec 23 10:15:54 Shapeshifter: what about changing gcon Dec 23 10:16:10 *gconf default file browser? Dec 23 10:17:45 huee: to what? Dec 23 10:18:20 Shapeshifter: gpe filemanager or whatever else? Dec 23 10:18:27 mhh Dec 23 10:19:05 well atm I'm just copying the album I want to listen to to MyDocs so I wont be needing it right now anymore. though really this is daft Dec 23 10:19:30 Shapeshifter: (speaker not earphones) nice point. I think this switchng is done by PA/ohmd though, and should be mostly transparent to apps Dec 23 10:22:08 ( and ofc the media player can't be used to just play files) there's an extension plugin for mediaplayer to allow selecting files for playback Dec 23 10:22:09 <_trine> can the n900 only use .aac files for its ringtone ? Dec 23 10:22:33 nope, can use all, it converts them to .wav Dec 23 10:22:45 DocScrutinizer: will test later. I heard there's some problem. afaik, mplayer needs to be compiled for pulse or it needs to be run with a prefix wrapper Dec 23 10:22:46 what MohammadAG says Dec 23 10:22:59 <_trine> when I look at the profile I can only see .aac files Dec 23 10:23:16 click other Dec 23 10:23:22 <_trine> ah ok Dec 23 10:23:30 mo moh Dec 23 10:23:49 DocScrutinizer: oh nice, will check that Dec 23 10:24:14 morning DocScrutinizer Dec 23 10:24:20 ...Starting with a dual-core Cortex-A9 at 1GHz, the iOne adds in an extra ARM11 core at 533MHz dedicated to handling camera functions and ensuring ready times of under one second.... Dec 23 10:24:26 * RST38h hands out napkins Dec 23 10:24:26 Shapeshifter: sorry I can't for the life of me not recall the name, it's too awkward Dec 23 10:25:08 RST38h: LOL Dec 23 10:25:15 How do I convert a QString into gchar? Dec 23 10:26:03 QString.toGchar()? just wild guessing :-D Dec 23 10:26:07 .toAscii() Dec 23 10:26:21 MohammadAG, ascii or latin1? Dec 23 10:26:25 ascii Dec 23 10:26:41 gchar * gstr = (gchar *) malloc(str->length() * sizeof(gchar)); QChar * data = str->data(); while(!data->isNull()) *gstr++ = (data++)->toLatin1(); Dec 23 10:27:25 ouch Dec 23 10:27:32 RST38h: is that dual arm?? core + an extra arm11? Dec 23 10:27:34 kinky Dec 23 10:28:09 The N8 can do less than a second shots o_O Dec 23 10:28:22 MohammadAG, QString::toAscii returns a QByteArray Dec 23 10:28:36 really? Dec 23 10:28:48 which is a classic c style char[] Dec 23 10:29:10 DocScrutinizer, is it really? I'm cautious about assuming such things Dec 23 10:29:26 I've read it yesterday in Qt docs Dec 23 10:29:48 check backscroll for the two URLs I posted yesterday Dec 23 10:30:00 I believe thou Dec 23 10:30:08 don't do that Dec 23 10:30:09 The N8 can do less than a second shots o_O <<< the n900 too Dec 23 10:30:10 ! Dec 23 10:30:30 khertan, not 12MP pics Dec 23 10:30:31 Though, my lord, since whence do thy program, in Qtence? Dec 23 10:30:39 MohammadAG, hum ... true :) Dec 23 10:30:46 :) Dec 23 10:30:51 crashanddie: exactly Dec 23 10:30:57 plus, Xenon > LED Dec 23 10:31:07 except for a handy flashlight Dec 23 10:31:23 MohammadAG, and with 12 Mpixel saving photo to slow sd will be slow :) Dec 23 10:31:37 to be honest i ve try the iphone 4 camera Dec 23 10:31:38 True that Dec 23 10:31:45 It's crap :P Dec 23 10:31:59 while in low light results are better than n900 Dec 23 10:32:02 The N8's UI is smoother than the iPhone 4's Dec 23 10:32:09 and sensor with good low light properties always >>> xenon & LED Dec 23 10:32:28 khertan, the N900 is crap in lowlight Dec 23 10:32:33 yep Dec 23 10:33:11 I didn't compare the 4G iphone cam which is nothing more than 5Mpx to a 8 or 12 Mpx with larger objectiv :) Dec 23 10:35:31 ask speedevil about nonsense of 12Mpx with a sensor like you may find in a phone, and esp a lens the size found there Dec 23 10:37:56 a few years ago they sacled up 2Mpx optical to 10Mpx interpolated - obviously BS & nonsense. Nowadays the optics do the "interpolation" and they have "real" 10Mpx. The result is the same Dec 23 10:38:00 or even worse Dec 23 10:39:17 Yea Dec 23 10:40:39 I'd like to see camera resolutions measured in "noiseless" MP - i.e. the equivalent MP you get once you downsample to remove the noise under certain light conditions. Dec 23 10:41:15 or simply lines-H/V resolution Dec 23 10:41:48 Yea, that'd work Dec 23 10:49:11 lines-H/V resolution...? Dec 23 10:50:13 the number of parallel black lines on white background either horizontal or vertical that can be resolved by the sensor Dec 23 10:50:31 usually < pixel/2 Dec 23 11:07:03 <_trine> it looks like my n900 does not see .m4r ringtones Dec 23 11:07:16 <_trine> is there something i can do Dec 23 11:08:02 Transcode them Dec 23 11:08:08 wtf is m4r anyway? :D Dec 23 11:08:10 is it possible to set up nokia messaging on the n900....when i try and create an account at email.nokia.com, i get asked to choose a phone and do it from the phone..but when i do it from the phone, it just creates an imap account Dec 23 11:09:58 another q...is it possible to do a memory test on the n900, as im getting tempted to take it to a service centre because it reboots itself _a lot_ ... ive re-flashed inc mmc, and not installed anything from -testing or -devel, and it was ok for a few days, but has recently started rebooting again. ive turned off email atm to see if that helps Dec 23 11:12:28 <_trine> alterego, m4r apparently is what iphone uses Dec 23 11:12:37 lame Dec 23 11:12:57 <_trine> I have downloaded a whole pile of them off the net Dec 23 11:14:17 *cough* lame ... Dec 23 11:14:18 :) Dec 23 11:20:18 piggz: you shouldn't assume things, then ask how to properly tackle them. Rather ask for guidance how to tackle the root problem. Here: there are ways to find out *why* N900 reboots. And a mem test is largely useless as memory usually isn't failing in this way (except if device had been overclocked in the past). Also memory isn't same as storage. Dec 23 11:20:45 Now to work out why my network server plugin stops location services from starting up :/ Dec 23 11:22:12 is it possible to use multiple booting images from N900 to boot a PC using n900 as a usb-drive? Dec 23 11:22:45 DocScrutinizer: ok, how can i find out why it reboots (btw, im a programmer and an well aware of the differences between ram and storage ;) ... the n900 doesnt keep a /var/log/messages, as i was hoping to find somethin useful there Dec 23 11:22:48 * ShadowJK shakes head at fennec 4 beta release notes page not working in MicroB Dec 23 11:22:54 i mean, without having to erase each image and copy new to microsd card ? Dec 23 11:23:10 Scorcerer: maybe, look at how usb mass storage mode works. Dec 23 11:23:27 piggz: for syslog install sysklogd package Dec 23 11:23:49 no media player and camera after flashing Dec 23 11:23:53 any idea?? Dec 23 11:23:53 will create a /var/log/syslog Dec 23 11:23:58 cheers Dec 23 11:24:28 piggz: /var/lib/dsme/stats contain some stuff. /proc/bootreason tells you why it powered on. /dev/mtd2 is a circular buffer recording kernel OOPS Dec 23 11:24:43 cool Dec 23 11:24:53 piggz: see? :-D Dec 23 11:25:19 so, my bootreason is software reset Dec 23 11:25:33 this sounds like ntentional reboot Dec 23 11:26:02 /var/lib/dsme/stats is next stop then Dec 23 11:26:05 or dsme getting upset about one of it's monitored processes respawning (too often) Dec 23 11:26:10 lifeguard_resets iirc Dec 23 11:26:56 lifeguard-restarts says Dec 23 11:27:03 hildon-home: 1 Dec 23 11:27:05 piggz: which system rev? Dec 23 11:27:11 DocScrutinizer: 1.3 Dec 23 11:27:24 camera-ui: 6 Dec 23 11:27:36 ohm-session-agent: 1 Dec 23 11:27:41 sapwood-server: 1 Dec 23 11:27:42 -restarts is just restart of a single process, not system restart Dec 23 11:28:32 resets has a line containg Xorg cmdline Dec 23 11:29:49 I think sw-rst also happens when kernel itself decides to reboot, which it does on oops, in which case /dev/mtd2 has it (and older ones) Dec 23 11:30:53 how do i get a '>' char to output to a file? Dec 23 11:31:00 found it :) Dec 23 11:35:44 ShadowJK: DocScrutinizer: so, i guess my kernel is panicing http://pastebin.ca/2027101 Dec 23 11:35:52 ShadowJK: these instructions need to go to a wiki page :-) Dec 23 11:36:32 a bit terse Dec 23 11:36:55 i.e. no register dump, no stack traceback, nothing Dec 23 11:37:11 not useful Dec 23 11:37:14 http://pastebin.ca/2027104 Dec 23 11:37:24 DocScrutinizer: mos in that one Dec 23 11:37:26 s/more Dec 23 11:38:26 EEEW >>Unable to handle kernel paging request Dec 23 11:38:26 * ShadowJK sometimes gets backtrace Dec 23 11:38:33 anyone familiar with the deal between MafwPlaylist and MafwProxyPlaylist? Dec 23 11:39:00 DocScrutinizer: so, its bad ok...ideas? :) Dec 23 11:39:16 not yet. Sounds like a real BUG Dec 23 11:39:30 or even hw broken? Dec 23 11:39:40 I missed the start, does it "randomly" crash, or when you do a specific thing? Dec 23 11:40:07 ShadowJK: randomly Dec 23 11:40:17 :/ Dec 23 11:40:23 swap corrupt? Dec 23 11:40:56 if the swap is on the emmc, i flashed that a few days ago Dec 23 11:41:17 only way to find out: get even more of that OOPS from mtd2, then look at kernel sources to find out what's causing it Dec 23 11:41:50 DocScrutinizer: there are more oopses in the file above....the file itself is too big to pastebin Dec 23 11:43:38 http://pastebin.ca/2027110 .... i presume this one is my massive uptime of 44 seconds from early this morning! Dec 23 11:44:27 you only last 44 seconds? Dec 23 11:44:57 Choom: no, that was a one off, its usually longer than that :) Dec 23 11:45:46 khertan: I'm not, but tried Khweeteur from there when you said something recently. Dec 23 11:45:54 khertan: Fools on TMO do not most users make Dec 23 11:48:54 DocScrutinizer: ShadowJK: www.piggz.co.uk/mtd2 is all the oops (256k) Dec 23 11:49:04 any help is greatly appreciated Dec 23 11:50:39 chx: ( lines-H/V resolution...? ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens_star and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_resolution#Measuring_optical_resolution Dec 23 11:52:09 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EIA_Resolution_Chart_1956.svg Dec 23 12:00:20 http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory/2488013.mspx X-P Dec 23 12:00:38 (vuln in MSIE) Dec 23 12:01:00 sorry, quite OT Dec 23 12:06:56 piggz: from those earlier pastes only thing I could think of was swapspace or the emmc itself being broken :/ Dec 23 12:07:56 ShadowJK: how to check swapspace? do you think the messages will help a service centre? Dec 23 12:08:24 I doubt it Dec 23 12:08:29 ShadowJK: the other day /home got remounted ro ( i noticed after i coudnt get any mail) Dec 23 12:09:08 it does sound alot like a hw problem though Dec 23 12:09:23 ok, i guess i will take it for repair Dec 23 12:09:33 it's painful. My own N900 needs to go in for repair too :( Dec 23 12:10:07 painful to be without it for 2 weeks I mean Dec 23 12:10:17 i will be left with my wifes old sony ericsson :( Dec 23 12:10:24 ;) Dec 23 12:10:27 Poor guy... Dec 23 12:10:48 But imagine if you had to use Motorola RAZR in the meanwhile! Dec 23 12:11:12 has https://publish.ovi.com/content_items/new been returning error 500 for some time? i was going to try and post an app for n900 Dec 23 12:11:49 ShadowJK: what is wrong with your phone? Dec 23 12:13:49 ShadowJK: usb port? Dec 23 12:20:56 No the cellular modem part has probably desoldered itself Dec 23 12:21:21 ohohohowow Dec 23 12:21:48 I had issues earlier, sent it to nokia, they did nothing, but I noticed it was mostly fine using the thinnest and most convex shaped battery I had Dec 23 12:22:23 errr what? Dec 23 12:22:25 now it's so bad that doing ctrl-backspace can cause modem to reset Dec 23 12:24:12 or closing slider Dec 23 12:24:19 or having the phone in my pocket Dec 23 12:24:39 * ShadowJK goes for some last minute christmas shopping Dec 23 12:24:58 *cough* Dec 23 12:25:04 should do that as well Dec 23 12:26:49 Heh, I think I've got one thing I need to get Dec 23 12:27:58 alterego, aww, don't feel sad Dec 23 12:28:04 * MohammadAG hands alterego a segfault Dec 23 12:28:08 there you go :) Dec 23 12:29:15 If only it were a segfault :P Dec 23 12:29:28 I've narrowed down my issue, this time, to my network service plugin. Dec 23 12:30:23 When it's absent it works, when it's there it doesn't. Dec 23 12:38:47 This is where I need someone with serious debugging skills :) Dec 23 12:40:36 alterego, throw some massive printfs in there Dec 23 12:41:01 you know you have enough when it slows down your network when using ssh ;) Dec 23 12:41:13 * lcuk once debugged every single graphical operation as it was rendered Dec 23 12:41:36 must have been a lot of spam Dec 23 12:41:38 over 10000 lines of debug per rendering stage Dec 23 12:41:46 lcuk: already is Dec 23 12:41:55 lcuk: nothing appears to be going wrong. Dec 23 12:42:10 But location services aren't started, I remove the network plugin and location services start fine. Dec 23 12:42:15 then you are missing the area Dec 23 12:42:25 I suspect some linking problem. Dec 23 12:45:52 lcuk: the other point is, the plugin isn't even doing anything, it just gets loaded. Dec 23 12:46:16 "just" ;) Dec 23 12:46:31 what chance that inside your plugin you are replacing a system function Dec 23 12:46:54 that then means you are not calling official function but rather your replacement to do some critical step in the protocol Dec 23 12:47:36 Yes, that's the kind of thing I was thinking. Dec 23 12:48:32 otoh, a plugin is a set of classes.. Dec 23 12:48:40 So I would have thought that'd be pretty hard. Dec 23 12:50:58 * alterego looks at readelf and feels slighhtly christmassy Dec 23 12:51:22 lol Dec 23 12:51:51 readelf is binutils isn't it? Dec 23 13:00:09 lcuk: you any good at this kind of thing? :) Dec 23 13:00:30 I don't see anything untoward in the symbol table. Dec 23 13:06:03 I'm gonna write a minimal test case .. Dec 23 13:17:33 X-Fade: Do you know if it's a known bug that "raw" links in garage git don't work? https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=hermes;a=blob;f=package/po/hermes.pot;hb=HEAD - click 'raw' and you get an empty page with the standard header/footer rather than the resource itself. Dec 23 13:19:08 lcuk: well, I can load location services and my plugin in a test app ::/ Dec 23 13:19:21 Though not now .. Dec 23 13:19:24 Hrm .. Dec 23 13:24:39 So, it looks like the order of loading a plugin before starting location services breaks it. Dec 23 13:24:46 s/a/the/ Dec 23 13:24:46 alterego meant: So, it looks like the order of lotheding a plugin before starting location services breaks it. Dec 23 14:01:10 order of loading indicates it's actually redefining symbols Dec 23 14:01:58 err lotheding Dec 23 14:04:55 That's what I was thinking. Dec 23 14:05:02 Heh Dec 23 14:05:25 Well, my plugins depend on some of the same shared libs. Dec 23 14:05:32 But that should be fine. Dec 23 14:05:58 * alterego sighs, I'll have a look into it later. Dec 23 14:39:16 what's the UID (not EUID) in postinstall scripts when called by HAM? is this user or root? Dec 23 14:39:39 ~seen _nicolai Dec 23 14:39:44 MohammadAG: i haven't seen '_nicolai' Dec 23 14:41:01 or let me put it this way: how to decide what's the "standard" user that owns the GUI? It might eventually change from user "user" to arbitrary different user name Dec 23 14:42:27 or maybe that way: how's optification dealing with ~user/MyDocs? There *might* be nor /home/user/MyDocs but instead a /home/joerg/MyDocs Dec 23 14:44:34 system global generic setups (like pathes to cache etc) MUST NOT rely on arbitrary random user account details, like name of $HOME Dec 23 14:44:55 ~2119 Dec 23 14:44:55 The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. Dec 23 14:45:58 suggested fix: bindmount MyDocs to /MyDocs-generic Dec 23 14:46:14 use this path only, for ~optification Dec 23 14:47:38 even other way round: mount to /MyDocs-generic, bindmount to $HOME/MyDocs Dec 23 14:47:39 hrm Dec 23 14:47:47 anyone here ever used Nokia Messaging? Dec 23 14:47:51 * timeless_mbp is scared Dec 23 14:48:14 of Nokia Messaging? hehe, me too Dec 23 14:49:09 lcuk: IIRC you got a better knowledge about the guts of optification. Any comments about above elaborated topic? Dec 23 14:49:39 can anyone recommend an easy Linux app to make a small png image, something like Paint.net Dec 23 14:49:54 make? Dec 23 14:50:10 lardman, I usually use some online flash-based image editor Dec 23 14:50:50 * timeless_mbp cries Dec 23 14:50:59 so, i got this n900 from the localization testing team Dec 23 14:51:04 it's really scaring me Dec 23 14:51:11 LOL Dec 23 14:55:28 i'll post pictures once i figure out how to get them off this n900 Dec 23 14:59:48 timeless_mbp: Ass Rage mode should work, even with arabic or cyrillic directory names Dec 23 15:00:21 ctl-sh-p also works on most kbd layouts Dec 23 15:02:17 * DocScrutinizer wonders idly if location of 'p' key in western layouts will also trigger screenshots - when pressed together with shift + ctl - on really exotic layouts that may have 'p' on other location or no 'p' key at all Dec 23 15:03:16 DocScrutinizer: http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/nokmes/Screenshot-20090101-082953.png Dec 23 15:03:25 "Disable sync when Never" Dec 23 15:03:29 that sounds great Dec 23 15:03:56 oh, for the curious, if you select "Disable sync when Battery at 15%", it's perfectly legal for it to start syncing again at 14% :) Dec 23 15:04:19 ... Dec 23 15:04:28 :shudder: Dec 23 15:04:29 anyway, i encourage people to browse through that picture set Dec 23 15:04:35 it's ... impressive Dec 23 15:05:00 oh, as you may notice, most nokia messaging dialogs are system modal Dec 23 15:05:20 especially the "you didn't store you password, so i'm going to constantly bother you" dialog, Dec 23 15:05:42 timeless_mbp: WTF are you working on? Me Ego is breaking... Dec 23 15:06:00 DocScrutinizer: i was given an n900 (CE) to replace my dead n900 Dec 23 15:06:21 before i cleaned it out, i looked to see what it had Dec 23 15:06:34 it had nokia messaging w/ two accounts, plus skype and some other stuff Dec 23 15:06:44 which makes it possible for me to review things Dec 23 15:06:48 oh, so that's random unsorted app crap Dec 23 15:06:49 this isn't "work" Dec 23 15:07:02 well, i think almost all of the pictures in that dir are from nokia messaging Dec 23 15:08:01 actually, it has *two* skype accounts :o Dec 23 15:08:06 nokmes is nice. Though nokmess would fit even better? Dec 23 15:08:19 i can rename Dec 23 15:09:52 ok, renamed Dec 23 15:10:35 heh :-D Dec 23 15:14:00 hmmz.. seems like i borked my package: http://maemo.org/packages/view/binaryclock-plugin Dec 23 15:14:22 any hint on how to recover from this situation? Dec 23 15:16:01 i think it was caused because i accidentally had a description field as follows: http://pastebin.com/mr7HyB1Y Dec 23 15:16:25 not the '.' in front of the description text Dec 23 15:16:29 *note Dec 23 15:17:29 now, even with a fixed description it is not picking it up Dec 23 15:19:46 seems that the twitter app Khweeteur got extras with broken dependencies Dec 23 15:20:51 hey all.. someone knows about using bluefish on n900..couldn't find recen discussions about it Dec 23 15:22:42 ~lart Ubuntu's apt-get for getting stuck doing God only knows what Dec 23 15:22:43 * infobot pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps Ubuntu's apt-get for getting stuck doing God only knows what Dec 23 15:24:08 hey all.. someone knows about using bluefish on n900..couldn't find recen discussions about it Dec 23 15:24:14 anyone know how I can purge a package from the package cache, I reckon it's broken which is making apt-get unhappy? Dec 23 15:27:50 is there any update regarding a decent email client for N900? Dec 23 15:28:45 hi Dec 23 15:28:47 mail.google.com/mail/h and mail.google.com/mail/x :) Dec 23 15:30:00 im trying to use transmission in easy debian for n900 but i dont think it can get access to the internet. any ideas? Dec 23 15:30:25 Why not use transmission for maemo? Dec 23 15:31:23 why are you using a bittorrent client on a device with short battery life and small ram? Dec 23 15:31:43 bittorrent will drain the battery in ~2-3 hours over 3g Dec 23 15:31:47 Youpla ... Khweeteur ... dependencies missing ! Dec 23 15:32:02 thx maemo package web promoter Dec 23 15:32:13 hum no xface Dec 23 15:32:16 xfade Dec 23 15:33:01 rcg: picking up descriptions takes quite a while, for some webpages Dec 23 15:33:21 timeless_mbp, I meant an offline POP3 email Dec 23 15:33:56 i like to use it cause its fun Dec 23 15:35:26 lardman: wasn't there some clean and purge options to apt-get? Dec 23 15:36:42 DocScrutinizer: i see.. i'll be more patient, thanks Dec 23 15:37:20 hmm, how do I play audio only with mplayer? Dec 23 15:38:20 Someone here have admin right on the extras repository ? Dec 23 15:39:02 * khertan is thinking of doing his own application installer which will use python setup tool to install his apps ... Dec 23 15:39:10 X-Fade Dec 23 15:39:34 why? Dec 23 15:39:46 it's like having debs and rpms on one system Dec 23 15:39:49 lardman: apt-get clean; # I guess Dec 23 15:40:10 that removes packages from cache DocScrutinizer Dec 23 15:40:29 i.e rm -rf /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb Dec 23 15:40:29 wasn't that exactly what lardman asked for? Dec 23 15:40:42 I have no idea what he asked for :P Dec 23 15:41:14 [2010-12-23 16:22:13] anyone know how I can purge a package from the package cache, I reckon it's broken which is making apt-get unhappy? Dec 23 15:41:44 Hmm, this only clears temp Dec 23 15:43:22 MohammadAG: enough suspense now! Tell us how to do it right :-D Dec 23 15:43:44 dpkg --configure -a should tell it to stfu and work Dec 23 15:44:25 how's dpkg going to make apt-get happy again? Dec 23 15:45:27 apt is a frontend for dpkg :P Dec 23 15:46:24 so is dpkg --configure -a going to clean up /var/cache/apt/archives/* ? Dec 23 15:46:49 and will remove a possibly borked file there? Dec 23 15:51:21 MohammadAG, deb or rpm can be good as they can ... but if the repository is crappy ... deb or rpm format will not help Dec 23 15:51:43 MohammadAG, package promoter to extras didn't promote some dependencies Dec 23 15:51:43 :) Dec 23 15:52:16 what section are they in? Dec 23 15:52:27 don't know ... Dec 23 15:52:34 it s a dependencies of a apps Dec 23 15:52:39 so should be promoted too Dec 23 15:52:48 well, if they're in user/, they shouldn't, no Dec 23 15:53:02 MohammadAG, for a liB ? Dec 23 15:53:08 this is stupid Dec 23 15:53:17 how did you promote a lib so ? Dec 23 15:53:30 as it should promote dependencies too Dec 23 15:53:35 shouldn't be in user/ Dec 23 15:53:42 user/* even Dec 23 15:54:00 what the purpose of the test if your tests didn't use the same libs ? Dec 23 15:54:04 stupid again Dec 23 15:54:13 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/python-setuptools/0.6c9-1maemo2/ Dec 23 15:54:15 user/ ?? Dec 23 15:54:31 aaah HAM categories Dec 23 15:54:49 pfff Dec 23 15:55:09 i already regrets coming back to maemo extras repository Dec 23 15:55:32 khertan: everybody does :-D Dec 23 15:55:50 when is xmas exactly over? Dec 23 15:56:04 27.12.? Dec 23 15:56:06 I know it's one night, but how long do people keep saying merry xmas and all? Dec 23 15:56:07 Dec 24. Dec 23 15:56:57 it's actually night of 24.->25. and the whole 25. and 26. Dec 23 15:56:59 is that 24 or 27? :P Dec 23 15:57:24 so 27.12. is a "normal day" Dec 23 15:57:47 I can't find python3 for maemo. Should I compile it myself or does anybody knows where it is downloadable? I can only find 2.X. Dec 23 15:58:09 cause only 2.x is available :P Dec 23 15:58:12 damn xD Dec 23 15:58:26 python sucks Dec 23 15:58:32 yeah whatever jacekowski Dec 23 15:58:35 and version 3 sucks as much as version 2 Dec 23 15:58:52 I don't care. Dec 23 16:04:05 anyone using the openjdk jre? Dec 23 16:05:03 I can't understand why there isn't a package for python3 :/ Dec 23 16:05:13 nobody made it Dec 23 16:05:15 nobody cares Dec 23 16:05:25 there is nothing new in that braindead something Dec 23 16:06:06 I usually will hack my Qt programs in C++ for n900, but python would be good for some fast things, and I learned just 3.0, because 2.X will sooner or later die... Dec 23 16:06:53 python and fast in same sentence? Dec 23 16:07:08 python sucks < lol Dec 23 16:07:42 python and fast in same sentence? << exactly Dec 23 16:10:05 jacekowski, fast means = make some tools fast, not reletated to performance, anyway, keep trolling. Dec 23 16:13:27 jacekowski, ah .... you are the guy which make unlocked fm transmitter frequency app which didn't work ... Dec 23 16:26:44 anybody still have gitorious.org's IP address? Dec 23 16:27:05 #gitorious? Dec 23 16:27:19 http://87.238.52.168/ works Dec 23 16:27:40 pupnik, ^ Dec 23 16:27:52 tytyty Dec 23 16:28:16 yw^3 Dec 23 16:32:40 odf is russian national standart now =) oh yeah!!! ftw Dec 23 16:33:10 hmm, seemingly wasn't a broken package, I manually deleted it and it downloaded again, same size, and has now been unpacking for ~1hr Dec 23 16:36:24 DNS service for this domain has expired with DNS Made Easy Dec 23 16:36:26 mouarf Dec 23 16:36:31 khertan: it does work Dec 23 16:36:47 jacekowski, doesn't for me Dec 23 16:36:56 worksforme Dec 23 16:37:02 khertan: works for everybody Dec 23 16:37:08 khertan: what is the problem? Dec 23 16:37:11 nope i ve an other case :) Dec 23 16:37:21 khertan: just no fmtxd at all? Dec 23 16:37:25 ;) Dec 23 16:37:27 exactly Dec 23 16:37:37 well, then you are doing it worn Dec 23 16:37:39 wrong Dec 23 16:37:43 you have to download it Dec 23 16:37:47 and then change chmods Dec 23 16:37:48 maemo Dec 23 16:37:55 and on the other n900 didn't see any more frequencies Dec 23 16:37:58 Laurentos: we say hello Dec 23 16:38:07 lol jacekowski Dec 23 16:38:16 maemo Dec 23 16:38:17 but to be honest i didn't care ... just trolling you as you re trolling on python :) Dec 23 16:38:32 khertan: follow that instruction step by step Dec 23 16:38:38 khertan: people even made videos of it working Dec 23 16:38:39 maemo Dec 23 16:38:48 Laurentos: stop repeating youself Dec 23 16:38:58 Laurentos, meego ? Dec 23 16:38:59 Laurentos: and state your intentions Dec 23 16:39:03 Laurentos: or we will open fire Dec 23 16:39:04 but it's a correct word Dec 23 16:39:08 jacekowski, he's a bot Dec 23 16:39:12 seen one before Dec 23 16:39:20 now it'll start calling me an idiot Dec 23 16:39:21 mohammadag, go back to mekka Dec 23 16:39:25 yep Dec 23 16:39:37 same bot that was here 2 months ago Dec 23 16:39:40 MohammadAG: btw. i never asked you that Dec 23 16:39:45 MohammadAG: are you a muslim or not? Dec 23 16:39:50 is mekka the synonym for idiot for you, mohammad? interesting Dec 23 16:40:00 Doesn't my nick give it away jacekowski? :P Dec 23 16:40:11 well, not really Dec 23 16:40:18 Laurentos, please fuck off, thank you :) Dec 23 16:40:22 and you pray every day at 12:00? Dec 23 16:40:27 and believe in 72 virgins Dec 23 16:40:29 and stuff? Dec 23 16:40:30 mohammadAG sucks Dec 23 16:40:34 no, not exactly the most religous person Dec 23 16:40:39 72 virgins wtf? Dec 23 16:40:42 mohammadag is a moron Dec 23 16:40:50 DocScrutinizer, we have a fag Dec 23 16:40:51 MohammadAG: after dead Dec 23 16:40:51 mohammadag is a moron Dec 23 16:40:57 death* Dec 23 16:41:00 mohammadag is a moron Dec 23 16:41:03 jacekowski, never heard of that Dec 23 16:41:06 xD Dec 23 16:41:17 Laurentos: MohammadAG wtf? Dec 23 16:41:20 MohammadAG: wtf? Dec 23 16:41:37 MohammadAG: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri Dec 23 16:41:42 MohammadAG: The concept of 72 virgins in Islam refers to an aspect of paradise. In a collection by Imam at-Tirmidhi in his "Sunan" (Volume IV, Chapters on "The Features of Heaven as described by the Messenger of Allah", chapter 21: "About the Smallest Reward for the People of Heaven", hadith 2687) and also quoted by Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir (Qur'anic Commentary) of Surah Qur'an 55:72, it is stated that: Dec 23 16:41:55 what's your fucking problem, asswipe Dec 23 16:42:00 jacekowski: Dec 23 16:42:12 pupnik: it's not a problem Dec 23 16:42:15 ok Dec 23 16:42:15 pupnik: i'm just asking Dec 23 16:42:30 what's up? play nice, kids! Dec 23 16:42:42 DocScrutinizer51, bot, it was killed Dec 23 16:42:50 jacekowski, *reads* Dec 23 16:42:56 ummm Dec 23 16:43:01 lot of people here believe that muslims are people that blow themselves up and beat their wives Dec 23 16:43:21 i believe that synergy client still doesn't auto-unhide the cursor on tablets, correct? Dec 23 16:43:27 yeah, the "scary terrists" Dec 23 16:43:55 jacekowski: beat their wives, and then blow themselves up. Dec 23 16:43:56 who killed it? Dec 23 16:43:56 jacekowski, I don't recall that being 72 Dec 23 16:44:00 jacekowski: The other way round is harder Dec 23 16:44:08 DocScrutinizer, Chuck norris, err, freenode staff Dec 23 16:44:24 k, so no action needed Dec 23 16:44:28 jacekowski, not exactly true lol Dec 23 16:45:20 jacekowski, both sides have extermists Dec 23 16:45:32 Americans have suicide people who open fire in malls and crap Dec 23 16:45:50 MohammadAG: +1 on that Dec 23 16:45:52 MohammadAG: were you able to trace it down to a particular region or user? Dec 23 16:46:00 i'm surprised there aren't more funny games about that Dec 23 16:46:08 DocScrutinizer, hmm? Dec 23 16:46:15 the bot Dec 23 16:46:37 * Laurentos (~Laurentos@84-75-180-79.dclient.hispeed.ch) has joined #maemo Dec 23 16:46:52 and running around shouting "OMG ISLAMIST EXTREMISTS WILL KILL US" doesn't help, crates an atmosphere of fright Dec 23 16:47:15 * pupnik isn't scared of anybody Dec 23 16:47:24 which in turn causes people to treat alleged "terrists" badly (i.e. additional checks at airports) Dec 23 16:47:40 rysiek|pl, you don't have to tell me about that Dec 23 16:47:52 * MohammadAG missed the MeeGo conference cause of visa issues Dec 23 16:47:55 a schweizer :-P Dec 23 16:48:01 which leads to people getting pissed off Dec 23 16:48:30 and there is no moment to make somebody do something stupid (i.e. blow himself up) when they're pissed Dec 23 16:48:32 o/ javispedro Dec 23 16:48:37 hello Dec 23 16:48:38 *no better moment Dec 23 16:48:52 a friendly warning: skype will consume your battery today Dec 23 16:49:10 An explanation for that warning; servers are fucked Dec 23 16:49:14 yep Dec 23 16:49:17 and btw "blow their wives and beat themselves up" Dec 23 16:49:30 javispedro: we know that Dec 23 16:49:30 An example for the warning: 2 batteries gone in 3 hours Dec 23 16:49:47 btw Dec 23 16:49:48 Friendly advice : stop trying to push to gitorious.org server Dec 23 16:49:52 when a battery gets enormously huge Dec 23 16:49:55 DocScrutinizer: have I had a wife I wouldn't probably want to beat myself up after blowing my wife... Dec 23 16:50:01 should I blow it up? :P Dec 23 16:50:05 * javispedro search irc logs Dec 23 16:50:07 seems they forgot to renew dns Dec 23 16:50:08 *searched Dec 23 16:50:21 khertan: ERROR ID 10T Dec 23 16:50:25 -_-' Dec 23 16:50:28 this thing doesn't allow the cover to close Dec 23 16:50:36 DocScrutinizer, any advice on this? Dec 23 16:50:47 err what? Dec 23 16:50:59 DocScrutinizer, my battery's "swollen" Dec 23 16:51:17 ABANDON AREA! DUCK AND COVER! Dec 23 16:51:17 MohammadAG: replace it Dec 23 16:51:28 MohammadAG: you may be able to get it replaced. Dec 23 16:51:31 ACTIVATE RESTON5 Dec 23 16:51:33 MohammadAG: as it shouldn't do that. Dec 23 16:51:35 and if I don't? Dec 23 16:51:43 MohammadAG: risks popping Dec 23 16:51:47 Would it implode/explode/eat people Dec 23 16:51:52 popping? Dec 23 16:52:00 * MohammadAG expected explosions and stuff Dec 23 16:52:01 snap crackle and pop Dec 23 16:52:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OsBc8RqSKU Dec 23 16:52:08 that Dec 23 16:52:14 MohammadAG: and you say you're not a "terrist" Dec 23 16:52:25 rysiek|pl, I terrorise mobiles Dec 23 16:53:06 mhm, my daily mbarcode update :-D Dec 23 16:53:09 MohammadAG: as long as you're not mobilising terrorists, I'm cool Dec 23 16:53:37 rysiek|pl, I do that quite well, in CoD Dec 23 16:54:15 SpeedEvil, that's called a "pop"? Dec 23 16:54:16 MohammadAG: don't try it IRL/AFK, or you'll get a visit from DoD ;) Dec 23 16:55:17 If that's a pop Dec 23 16:55:23 what do sites mean when a battery explodes? Dec 23 16:55:48 I wonder how that would go when we get nuclear batteries Dec 23 16:56:18 *gets pissed, removes battery cover, tears off pins, throws battery* Dec 23 16:56:21 "Kaboom. There was supposed to be a kaboom" Dec 23 16:56:40 oh hey Jaffa :) Dec 23 17:03:28 Jaffa, any admin access to maemo repository ? Dec 23 17:04:07 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/khweeteur/0.0.52-1/ Dec 23 17:04:16 have broken dependencies in extras :) Dec 23 17:04:21 MohammadAG: If you don't actually stab them, the result tends to be a lot more modest Dec 23 17:04:30 MohammadAG: fire can still result, though is not as likely Dec 23 17:07:42 MohammadAG: you you managed to get that pregnant battery? Dec 23 17:26:47 dude, you should always use a condom Dec 23 17:30:21 All done with maemo paid work... Dec 23 17:30:33 It'll be interesting to see if anyone notices in January ;) Dec 23 17:31:53 * MohammadAG will :P Dec 23 17:31:57 kerio, I was out Dec 23 17:32:08 lcuk, this is one f***ing nice concept :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlcfB9ZPmJw Dec 23 17:32:10 basically, pause the video, let it load, then play it, and use the numbers in the video Dec 23 17:32:10 read the comments, people came up with nice notes :D Dec 23 17:34:34 OH SHIT THAT'S AWESOME Dec 23 17:35:48 play star wars, it's in the comments Dec 23 17:37:26 that. is. awesome. Dec 23 17:39:47 is it possible to extract sms messages off my n900 in a way they can be read on a pc? Dec 23 17:44:30 so i read that its stored in an sqlite database, which it turns out i am comfortable using, any idea where the file with the database in it is stored? Dec 23 17:44:47 oh god downloading n900 image 2Ko/s Dec 23 17:44:49 ouch Dec 23 17:45:27 there isn't any 64b flasher ? Dec 23 17:49:27 khertan, linux? Dec 23 17:49:39 yep Dec 23 17:49:56 debian? Dec 23 17:50:02 --force-architecture when installing it Dec 23 17:50:05 yep Dec 23 17:50:18 but this mean also 32bit libs :) Dec 23 17:50:31 you need ia32-libs Dec 23 17:50:33 yes Dec 23 17:50:41 which i didn't on the pc i m currently Dec 23 17:50:42 :) Dec 23 17:50:47 which i didn't install on the pc i m currently Dec 23 17:50:59 due to insecurity of this thing :) Dec 23 17:51:10 heh Dec 23 17:51:20 alterego, did you give vsync drivers a shot on MeeGo? Dec 23 17:51:32 but hum ... will use an other machine so :) Dec 23 17:51:42 crap, flashed the kernel instead of loading it temporarly Dec 23 17:51:47 temporarily even Dec 23 17:52:14 :) Dec 23 17:52:33 meego's actually very usable with it Dec 23 17:52:46 cept for some minor major stuff, like no phone daemon running :) Dec 23 17:53:09 i will not call this minor Dec 23 17:53:10 :) Dec 23 17:53:21 as I said, minor major :P Dec 23 17:53:33 this other major seems have been fixed recently : pyside :) Dec 23 17:53:42 ok not major for everyone :) Dec 23 18:07:22 is it possible to remove an item from the updates list? Dec 23 18:07:25 in HAM Dec 23 18:07:31 i.e. ignore it Dec 23 18:09:08 I'd like to ignore the kernel-power v46 update as it removes the ability to boot Meego, and am getting bored of having to click each package one by one to update them Dec 23 18:13:16 lardman, update to kernel-power 46 Dec 23 18:13:23 then install my package, uboot-power Dec 23 18:13:30 it's based on v46 Dec 23 18:13:47 that works ok then? Dec 23 18:14:02 yep, ask DocScrutinizer :) Dec 23 18:14:04 I couldn't quite work out whether it would do what it said in the package description, so I steered clear Dec 23 18:14:34 it bites heads off :P Dec 23 18:14:34 uboot-power46 comes with pk, at least I never installed pk prior to or after it Dec 23 18:14:55 ok Dec 23 18:15:10 just make sure you have the latest kp modules Dec 23 18:15:14 i.e update kernel-power Dec 23 18:15:25 MohammadAG: has the new media player dropped files? I only see 3 source files + 3 headers + 3 ui files Dec 23 18:15:28 just installed uboot-p46 and h-e-n. everything fine :-D Dec 23 18:15:43 lardman, I don't recall it did :P Dec 23 18:15:53 ah 4 source + headers Dec 23 18:16:01 iirc it had more, perhaps I'm going mad Dec 23 18:16:12 http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/trees/master Dec 23 18:16:19 no, it's more Dec 23 18:16:38 have a look at http://gitorious.org/~slauwers/qt-mediaplayer/slauwers-foss-mediaplayer Dec 23 18:16:51 I need to figure out how to process merge requests Dec 23 18:17:33 I need to work out how to git pull Dec 23 18:18:16 lardman, "git clone http://git.gitorious.org/~slauwers/qt-mediaplayer/slauwers-foss-mediaplayer.git" Dec 23 18:18:33 which one is the active one? Dec 23 18:18:49 lcuk: ah, I was meaning to ask you to point me towards your postinst scripts Dec 23 18:19:02 khertan: nope. best is to raise an urgent bug Dec 23 18:19:09 I've sorted the decoding and python plugin issues, so am pretty much ready to shoot for Extras proper Dec 23 18:19:11 lardman, preinst Dec 23 18:19:23 well either way ;) Dec 23 18:20:11 amazing how much work one can do by stringing together more than an hour at a time when you're tired in the evening! Dec 23 18:20:22 https://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase/blob/master/debian/libliqbase1.preinst#L7 Dec 23 18:20:27 thanks Dec 23 18:21:01 and its possible to find issues, if noticed then let me know Dec 23 18:21:10 will do Dec 23 18:23:39 it's only taken me 2 years, but now I can get on with the app that I wanted to write using barcode scanning (via mBarcode) Dec 23 18:23:42 all good :) Dec 23 18:27:15 hmm, what's up with the extra telepathy plugins Dec 23 18:27:26 ah, extras-devel probably Dec 23 18:29:58 MohammadAG: the only thing HAM shows me with uboot in the name is uboot-pr13 Dec 23 18:30:50 apt-get job I guess? Dec 23 18:31:29 Hmm, I put it in the same section I think Dec 23 18:31:46 lardman, http://maemo.org/packages/view/uboot-power/ Dec 23 18:32:25 I had a repo update error, so that may be it Dec 23 18:34:15 MohammadAG: installed via apt-get and works fine, thanks :) Dec 23 18:34:34 so in retrospect, not sure what was wrong with HAM there Dec 23 18:42:51 anyone wanting to sell me a cheap n900? Dec 23 18:43:37 I want to sell the world cheap n900s. Dec 23 18:43:41 Ic an't - but I want to. Dec 23 18:43:59 i want to sell you a expensive n900 Dec 23 18:45:23 Noma: I might be interested Dec 23 18:45:40 esaym153: germany? Dec 23 18:45:45 USA Dec 23 18:45:54 kk, then i'm out Dec 23 18:45:56 i'm in finland so i think it really might be expensive for you Dec 23 18:46:11 i could sell you a vodafone.de-locked one Dec 23 18:46:41 heh, actually locked? Dec 23 18:46:46 esaym153: hey i have a warehouse worth of cheap n900 phones here but need to pay a small customs fee to access to them, care wire me some 5000 dollars ? Dec 23 18:46:51 simlock or netlock? Dec 23 18:47:03 netlock Dec 23 18:47:08 eeew Dec 23 18:47:26 unlocked hopefully... Dec 23 18:47:27 at least i think so ;) Dec 23 18:47:33 chx: 5000 yen? Dec 23 18:47:34 i'm not actually sure Dec 23 18:47:58 can a n900 be netlocked? Dec 23 18:48:25 and even if, reinstalling new pr should kill it Dec 23 18:49:10 or so you think :P Dec 23 18:49:12 mikki-kun: yeah might be, i've upgraded it to 1.3 and never cared if another sim/net works Dec 23 18:49:54 mikki-kun: that's quite questionable. the cellmo FW is closed Dec 23 18:50:17 DocScrutinizer: but how on earth can they netlock it? Dec 23 18:50:29 and if there's a lock bit set in some config area in cellmo, then you won't unlock it by a simple reflash Dec 23 18:50:34 special permission by nokia? Dec 23 18:50:44 not really Dec 23 18:50:44 that's done by Nokia Dec 23 18:50:51 locking is possible since PR1.1 Dec 23 18:50:52 Ö.ö Dec 23 18:50:55 omfg Dec 23 18:51:05 netlock = every vodafone.de sim works, right? Dec 23 18:51:12 simlock = just this very sim works? Dec 23 18:51:15 that's why there's an Unlock operator crap option in Settings > tap title bar Dec 23 18:52:38 netlock=every SIM of e.g simyo or mobilecm or whatever works, as long as same carrier network. Simlock=only vodafone sims work Dec 23 18:53:09 for some weird reason it seems netlocks are harder to unlock than simlocks Dec 23 18:53:21 also yoiu can't roam with netlocked phone Dec 23 18:54:05 I might be wrong though Dec 23 18:55:49 MohammadAG: exactly Dec 23 18:57:49 I think in Pr<1.1 this has been a button to enter PUK, there in settings-menu. Wonder where's that gone Dec 23 18:58:10 aah, yeah. nevermind Dec 23 19:03:22 are there any carriers actually selling locked N900? Dec 23 19:03:41 wait, are there any carries actually sellling N900? Dec 23 19:03:43 DocScrutinizer iphone rulezzzz Dec 23 19:04:19 zogg_: if you're willing to bend over and take it from apple, then I agree, otherwise it's way too uncomfortable to bear Dec 23 19:05:17 Choom, you don't get it, they have tap tap revenge 4 Dec 23 19:05:42 and if you want to be serious it's better gay sex than no sex in life is Nokia is not interested in you anymore Dec 23 19:07:14 mmm Dec 23 19:08:04 RST38h are you happy for ODF elected to be your national standart? Dec 23 19:08:19 zogg_: personally I do not appreciate the way treats both developers and customers with the app store Dec 23 19:08:34 zogg_: personally I do not appreciate the way *apple* treats both developers and customers with the app store Dec 23 19:08:37 RST38h, and that mihalkov wants 1% of phones from Nokia, HTC and Samsung for copyright content ? Dec 23 19:09:02 Choom and you are very happy for OVI? Dec 23 19:09:16 zogg_: What are you? And what are you talking about? Dec 23 19:09:25 until they give up on their monopolistic behavior (or get sued to oblivion like Microsoft did over IE and interoperability in the EU) they shall never see a single cent from me Dec 23 19:09:53 and don't say there are official repos, cause it's community work there so devs work for maemo repo for experience users is liek devs jailbreak and open repos for iphone for experience users =) Dec 23 19:09:57 zogg_: I'm happy for not being locked to OVI Dec 23 19:10:20 RST38h, забыл меня ? =( Dec 23 19:10:36 zogg_: jailbreaking isn't legal in the EU, which happens to be where I live Dec 23 19:10:54 * RST38h does not readUnicode Dec 23 19:11:03 ZogG: it also comes with the problem of voiding the warranty, which in the EU is of 2 years for all consumer products Dec 23 19:11:06 oops Dec 23 19:11:14 hello Dec 23 19:11:25 ah, it completed to the right name Dec 23 19:11:33 hello Dec 23 19:11:41 anyone have nitdroid working? Dec 23 19:11:54 RST38h hmmm, do you use cp1251? Dec 23 19:12:30 evilsquelch if you want 2.3 don't ask - just wait Dec 23 19:13:04 ZogG: this particular console is latin Dec 23 19:13:21 RST38h, aren't you russian? Dec 23 19:13:37 in a way, yes Dec 23 19:15:48 RST38h damn i was too inactive here for a long time u forgot me =( Dec 23 19:16:01 even DocScrutinizer doesn't liek me like before Dec 23 19:16:25 and DocScrutinizer-8 is not cool as DocScrutinizer51 Dec 23 19:18:51 ZogG: No, you have not been trolling before and now you are trolling =) Dec 23 19:20:11 RST38h i was always been trolling =) Dec 23 19:20:18 have* Dec 23 19:21:13 just i was trolling fat and for joek, and even now i do, but about apple and nokia sex - it's kinda true, though i hate apple =) Dec 23 19:21:40 moin Dec 23 19:22:53 btw as i'm not expert in linux and deb based OS specially, how can i reinstall whole system (not flashing), or check ifall packages are not broken? Dec 23 19:24:03 just ran rm -R /var/lib/dpkg instead of /var/lib/dpkg/lock and though i stoped it still removed something Dec 23 19:24:59 apt-get -f Dec 23 19:25:54 apt-get -ohcrap Dec 23 19:29:03 ZogG, you're hopeless, reinstall the whole OS Dec 23 19:35:42 hey guys Dec 23 19:36:21 ZogG: hahaha Dec 23 19:36:40 lcuk: apt-get should totally get a -ohcrap option Dec 23 19:36:44 emergency dpkg reinstall Dec 23 19:37:36 kerio, ALL apps should have that option Dec 23 19:39:32 yeah but it makes sense for apt Dec 23 19:39:43 kerio: what do you mean by emergency dpkg reinstall? Dec 23 19:39:55 well, less dpkg and more everything Dec 23 19:40:07 say, you run a rm -rf / by mistake as root Dec 23 19:40:22 if you still have apt-get, you should be able to get a working system back with apt-get -ohcrap Dec 23 19:40:39 6 hours to download a fucking n900 image Dec 23 19:40:44 i question your pressuppostions Dec 23 19:40:45 nokia servers sucks ! Dec 23 19:41:04 and md5sums failed Dec 23 19:41:26 kerio: well if you rm -rf / then you won't have apt either Dec 23 19:41:42 is the n900 dying? Dec 23 19:41:52 i read nokia stopped supporting it Dec 23 19:42:01 Venemo: if you ^c it in time Dec 23 19:42:12 maybe you lose half of /bin/ but you keep /usr/bin/apt-get Dec 23 19:43:03 i just reflashed my n900 Dec 23 19:43:09 so many updates for maemo5 Dec 23 19:43:27 khertan, blame your internet :P Dec 23 19:43:38 xim_: i am sure it is Dec 23 19:43:50 xim_: but as long as there is a community it will be fine Dec 23 19:43:53 khertan, eepi would guess though that the errors come between leaving maemo servers and entering your device, since more people would notice md5 errors Dec 23 19:43:57 MohammadAG, lol i ven't any problem except with nokia server tablet-dev Dec 23 19:44:05 ie not a maemo problem? Dec 23 19:44:05 xim_: and it is an ace phone, for me anyway! Dec 23 19:44:33 lcuk, the md5 error is due to download error Dec 23 19:44:35 * MohammadAG downloads meego netbook Dec 23 19:44:40 yes Dec 23 19:44:45 khertan, not a server error Dec 23 19:45:02 and are there to help you diagnose if your internet cloud is shite Dec 23 19:45:28 MohammadAG, probably not a server error but one of this fucking not working nokia cache servers Dec 23 19:45:36 * khertan is angry Dec 23 19:45:50 * MohammadAG hands khertan his ISP's number Dec 23 19:45:57 the caches are fine Dec 23 19:46:05 khertan, was it mobile broadband? Dec 23 19:46:19 MohammadAG, specific dependencies for FOSS mediaplayer? Dec 23 19:46:26 MohammadAG, the problem isn't the isp as else i ll get problem with many other site Dec 23 19:46:30 which isn't the case Dec 23 19:46:31 i love mine, was the n900 ever for sale publicly? i got mine as a gift from someone who had multiple early promo versions? did yall buy yours at stores? Dec 23 19:46:37 lcuk, nope on my desktop Dec 23 19:46:58 lcuk, hmm? Dec 23 19:47:01 http://computer-forensics.sans.org/blog/2010/03/17/nokia-n900-forensic-cheat-sheet/ Dec 23 19:47:07 and the tablets-dev server has always been slow Dec 23 19:47:23 from home, from workt too, for other people i know too Dec 23 19:47:34 but today ... it s worst than ever Dec 23 19:47:42 maemo 5 20.2010.36-2.002 takes forever Dec 23 19:47:45 blegh Dec 23 19:47:53 evilsquelch, any tips for someone about to reflash their device in like 10 minutes? Dec 23 19:47:54 khertan, :) time to try meego then, more server power Dec 23 19:48:04 132.5mb of forever Dec 23 19:48:21 xim_: no real tip, just don't add the other repos until after your updates Dec 23 19:48:35 xim_: mine froze up when i tried to do that Dec 23 19:49:01 it was updating while i was changing repos, the n900 doesn't like that Dec 23 19:49:05 lcuk, lol and if i use a proxy from finland ... i download it at 450Kb/S Dec 23 19:49:26 lcuk, hum ... n900 meego image are located at the same place Dec 23 19:49:29 :( Dec 23 19:49:48 khertan, no, repo.meego.com/builds I think Dec 23 19:49:50 lcuk, or maybe you mean meego from an other manufacturer :) Dec 23 19:49:51 evilsquelch, gotcha Dec 23 19:49:57 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/ Dec 23 19:50:10 MohammadAG, was talking of the meego builds for n900 Dec 23 19:50:11 :) Dec 23 19:50:29 khertan, that has N900 builds Dec 23 19:50:33 to be honest i didn't think i ll move with meego Dec 23 19:50:40 the ones on tablet-dev are not standard Dec 23 19:50:58 normal proper inline integrated real builds of meego are from server MohammadAG pointed to Dec 23 19:51:01 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.11.20101221.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.11.20101221.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 Dec 23 19:51:08 lcuk, hmm? Dec 23 19:51:21 lcuk, what does not standard mean? Dec 23 19:51:35 :) Dec 23 19:53:01 xim_: look at long waits as maemo5 updates too Dec 23 19:53:47 evilsquelch, did you flash the rootfs only or eMMC and rootfs? Dec 23 19:54:39 not standart mean with phone working ? Dec 23 19:54:43 xim_: i did combo flash Dec 23 19:54:46 all Dec 23 19:54:57 but meego isn't ready to be use Dec 23 19:56:33 evilsquelch, sorry to ask so many questions but did you do it manually like on this page? http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Dec 23 19:56:39 and didn't work on my n900 Dec 23 19:57:00 by didn't work i would say isn't useable on my n900 Dec 23 19:57:01 yep Dec 23 19:57:12 2 min to load a terminal Dec 23 19:57:19 result in a white screen Dec 23 19:57:22 xim_: used my fedora laptop and flasher-3.5 Dec 23 19:57:33 cool thanks Dec 23 19:57:47 i ll stick with maemo which i prefer Dec 23 19:57:48 :) Dec 23 19:57:54 not a problem Dec 23 20:39:22 muhahaha Dec 23 20:39:37 my device flashed with a fully dead battery (MeeGo-dead) Dec 23 20:40:38 argh Dec 23 20:40:40 * MohammadAG stabs it Dec 23 20:41:04 It booted up fully, then bme shut it down after saying "Recharge battery" Dec 23 20:43:18 MohammadAG, lucky you are i'm still downloading the image ... Dec 23 20:46:13 MohammadAG, what happens when you connect phone to charger? Dec 23 20:49:53 hm Dec 23 20:50:02 did we finally invent a way to remotely punch TMO users in the face? Dec 23 20:50:14 It'd charge I guess, I just have it connected over USB Dec 23 20:50:39 javispedro, ignoring them ? Dec 23 20:50:57 khertan: i'd wish, but he keeps stalking me and posting bullshit on my threads Dec 23 20:52:00 javispedro, as usual ... release an app an people will complain Dec 23 20:52:01 at this point I'd need a way to ignore the comments he puts on gitorious =) Dec 23 20:52:14 add a feature and they will complain for an other Dec 23 20:52:23 people are always whinning Dec 23 20:52:37 * khertan complain about slowness of nokia servers Dec 23 21:26:43 alterego, wats up Dec 23 21:30:58 im trying to download the recent firmwarez for my n900 should i get the global one or the usa one? (being that I live in the USA) Dec 23 21:32:33 what is the global varient? Dec 23 21:33:08 xim_, hmmm cant really say but i stay in nigeria and i downloaded the global firmware Dec 23 21:34:16 i bet its like celsius/farenheit color/colour hood/bonnet type stuff Dec 23 21:37:12 i think the global should everywhere Dec 23 21:37:13 xim_, have you update before Dec 23 21:37:13 xim_, u there Dec 23 21:39:35 ok there you download both Dec 23 21:39:48 im here Dec 23 21:40:17 i see Dec 23 21:40:31 n use it till you find which is suitable Dec 23 21:40:54 right, good thinking Dec 23 21:41:25 Bank of America has snapped up hundreds of abusive domain names for its senior executives and board members in what is being perceived as a defensive strategy against the future publication of damaging insider info from whistleblowing Website WikiLeaks. Dec 23 21:41:31 so it all depends Dec 23 21:42:12 RST38h: is there a list of examples? Dec 23 21:45:07 but have you used a flasher before... Dec 23 21:45:07 huh? Dec 23 21:45:33 Pradeep, just my desktop/laptop bios Dec 23 21:46:07 i see all these rules about this tho (Always flash the eMMC image first, then the FIASCO image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image! When flashing eMMC always also flash FIASCO rootfs - NEVER boot the device between the two flashes.) Dec 23 21:46:16 Hmm, Why is the CPU transperacy list empty, even when I installed the cputransp devkit? Dec 23 21:46:28 sounds funny Dec 23 21:46:39 in scratchbox Dec 23 21:50:14 ok Dec 23 21:52:32 Merry Christmas all if I'm not online tomorrow Dec 23 21:53:28 happy Yuletide Dec 23 21:54:30 same to you man Dec 23 22:02:41 is there any telnet app on n900 Dec 23 22:03:38 there's telnet Dec 23 22:06:14 i can't find it in my app manager Dec 23 22:15:02 i did not see it in my app manager Dec 23 22:15:49 maybe its in tools or extras? Dec 23 22:16:36 or just run apt-get install telnet as root in your terminal Dec 23 22:18:00 sigh Dec 23 22:18:10 of all materials to make keyboards, HP has to use glossy crap Dec 23 22:18:15 couldn't they have used matte Dec 23 22:18:27 You look at keyboards? Dec 23 22:19:01 I do, my keyboard has a color display Dec 23 22:19:08 320x240 Dec 23 22:19:22 Well - that's an excuse. Dec 23 22:19:26 SpeedEvil, no, but my fingers feel them Dec 23 22:19:33 * SpeedEvil continues typing under the blankets. Dec 23 22:19:45 it's not that Dec 23 22:19:49 the keys just feel oily Dec 23 22:19:54 and no, it's not my hands Dec 23 22:23:15 MohammadAG: use stickers Dec 23 22:23:27 label it dvorak-tonal style :D Dec 23 22:24:12 luke-jr, no, they ruin the look of a clean keyboard Dec 23 22:25:17 pfft Dec 23 22:25:25 [17:16:24] You look at keyboards? Dec 23 22:39:50 sp3000: so, from reading the strings, it is more magical Dec 23 22:40:03 it understands Sun+Sat = Weekends and Mon-Fri = Weekdays Dec 23 22:40:33 i need to telnet into my router now Dec 23 22:40:40 Pradeep: telnet is lame Dec 23 22:40:51 [17:14:33] or just run apt-get install telnet as root in your terminal Dec 23 22:40:54 please is there app for that Dec 23 22:40:59 timeless_mbp: and the rest are custom? Dec 23 22:41:02 you've been helped. stfu :P Dec 23 22:41:19 well it supports 'never' in the strings Dec 23 22:41:34 which means there's an impedance mismatch :o Dec 23 22:41:37 could not find it Dec 23 22:41:50 Pradeep: sudo apt-get install telnet Dec 23 22:41:57 Pradeep: enable extras-testing and extras-devel Dec 23 22:42:14 timeless_mbp: interestingly, mfe doesn't Dec 23 22:42:16 luke-jr, sudo eh? Dec 23 22:42:21 where is that Dec 23 22:42:42 timeless_mbp: also, it gets the oh no you can't tap on that button now thing Dec 23 22:42:58 heh Dec 23 22:43:00 but it's not being secretive about a list of days Dec 23 22:43:27 the only special it knows about is daily afaict Dec 23 22:43:28 timeless_mbp, is it just me, or did browsing history disappear in microB? Dec 23 22:43:37 MohammadAG: disappear? Dec 23 22:43:44 but obviously these uis doing the same thing never met each other ;) Dec 23 22:43:54 sp3000: of course not! Dec 23 22:44:09 why should similar UIs meet? Dec 23 22:44:11 yeah, the View browsing history button disappeared Dec 23 22:44:20 the one when you open the stacked window with recent pages Dec 23 22:44:22 why did the ui cross the road Dec 23 22:44:40 to lay a child Dec 23 22:44:55 so i flashed my eMMC and rootfs, do i also need to do a maemo5 update somehow? Dec 23 22:45:03 MohammadAG: i have it in visual history Dec 23 22:45:13 which i got from landscape mode's tooolbar Dec 23 22:45:15 timeless_mbp, hmm, weird, I don't :S Dec 23 22:45:20 s/ooo/oo Dec 23 22:45:25 it didn't -- there was already another instance doing the same thing there, and why would they talk to each other :) Dec 23 22:46:21 heh Dec 23 22:48:55 merry christmas Maemo folks! I'll probably not be online tomorrow, so now is the time to say this Dec 23 22:49:08 this Dec 23 22:49:41 * timeless_mbp tries to figure out how to replace 'Customized' Dec 23 22:49:47 is there any other way to upgrade your os besides the update button in app manager? Dec 23 22:49:48 i've changed 'Days' to 'Schedule' Dec 23 22:49:52 timeless_mbp: "Some". Dec 23 22:49:54 but you're right, i should use the word from mfe Dec 23 22:50:21 "Tap here to find out for free!" Dec 23 22:50:35 sadly mfe has and Dec 23 22:50:42 hrm Dec 23 22:50:52 but NM doesn't have off peak Dec 23 22:51:10 nor does it have as a heading Dec 23 22:51:22 so i'm happy w/ instead of days Dec 23 22:51:33 I think becomes Dec 23 22:51:59 oh, no, gah Dec 23 22:52:08 is actually time Dec 23 22:52:14 "Sync window" ? Dec 23 22:53:21 how do i enable extra-devel, extra-testing Dec 23 22:53:48 * timeless_mbp sighs @ "all day long" Dec 23 22:53:56 hrm Dec 23 22:54:03 9-5 is "business hours" Dec 23 22:54:07 what the heck is 8-6? Dec 23 22:54:21 Workaholics buisness hours Dec 23 22:54:54 commutes and things Dec 23 22:54:58 oh cute Dec 23 22:55:11 this lets me select hours: 12:01 AM - 12:00 AM Dec 23 22:55:15 * timeless_mbp wonders what that does Dec 23 22:55:48 is there an all night long too? Dec 23 22:55:49 it also allows 01:01 AM - 01:00 AM Dec 23 22:55:57 sync you long time? Dec 23 22:56:02 note the leading 0 because these people are *idiots* Dec 23 22:56:23 * timeless_mbp wonders where-tf they got that string from Dec 23 22:57:32 anyone helping Dec 23 22:57:49 Pradeep: err, wiki.maemo.org/ Dec 23 22:58:24 byebye Dec 23 23:02:27 * timeless_mbp grumbles Dec 23 23:02:39 more corrupts osso-xterm :( Dec 23 23:03:05 like any other terminal Dec 23 23:03:11 type Dec 23 23:03:13 reset Dec 23 23:03:15 and press enter Dec 23 23:03:19 doesn't work Dec 23 23:03:22 unlike normal terminals Dec 23 23:03:35 * timeless_mbp ponders Dec 23 23:03:45 use screen or tmux Dec 23 23:03:49 isn't there a reset&clean entry on menu now also Dec 23 23:03:54 sp3000: think i can ask robut for info about this crap? Dec 23 23:03:56 reset works for me Dec 23 23:04:19 MohammadAG: Dec 23 23:04:36 yeah? Dec 23 23:04:43 more /usr/lib/modest/mail-plugins/libodsplugin.so Dec 23 23:06:46 i just reflashed my phone and now i dont know the sudo password!? help Dec 23 23:06:56 yep, reset works fine timeless_mbp Dec 23 23:07:07 hrm Dec 23 23:07:08 jacekowski: was that you who pointed me to the new version / successor of libcal Dec 23 23:07:11 ? Dec 23 23:07:16 xim_: there isn't one Dec 23 23:07:23 ~rootsh Dec 23 23:07:24 hmm... rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/, or http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/rootsh/ Dec 23 23:07:40 DocScrutinizer: maybe Dec 23 23:07:47 DocScrutinizer: i remember discussion about it Dec 23 23:07:57 DocScrutinizer: i mean, that somebody made a replacement for it Dec 23 23:08:01 but it was quite a long time ago Dec 23 23:08:21 isn't it libsysinfo or sth? Dec 23 23:08:39 i don't remember Dec 23 23:08:43 i can grep my logs Dec 23 23:08:45 I should just ~ask Dec 23 23:09:12 where to look to learn about calibration partition? Dec 23 23:09:52 it's nowhere in official docs Dec 23 23:09:54 sp3000: wtf is up w/ bug 621229? Dec 23 23:09:55 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/621229 was not found. Dec 23 23:10:06 What is CAL? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465 is a bit out of date Dec 23 23:10:07 i'm just using my favorite disassembler Dec 23 23:10:49 I think there's another bug for that but icbw Dec 23 23:11:27 DocScrutinizer: searching trough my logs is going to be more complicated than i thought Dec 23 23:11:56 because just looking for "cal" is returning way more results than i would like Dec 23 23:12:05 cat Freenode-#maemo.log | grep cal Dec 23 23:12:15 DocScrutinizer: what do you need to know? Dec 23 23:12:17 heh, I just managed to erase backscroll in ALL my Konversation windows - no idea how Dec 23 23:12:23 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=186162&postcount=5 Dec 23 23:12:37 DocScrutinizer, CTRL+L maybe Dec 23 23:12:49 timeless_mbp: I want to understand how uBoot can learn to access calib partition Dec 23 23:13:28 ...dup. Dec 23 23:13:35 DocScrutinizer: uboots has to undersand how to read nand Dec 23 23:13:40 sp3000: do we know this guy? Dec 23 23:13:55 jacekowski: that seems to be no real problem Dec 23 23:14:03 iirc you did eventually meet tom Dec 23 23:14:13 DocScrutinizer: then we can just read specific block Dec 23 23:14:17 DocScrutinizer: and write it Dec 23 23:14:22 yeah Dec 23 23:14:24 DocScrutinizer: without worrying about allocating anything Dec 23 23:14:31 DocScrutinizer: or messing around with versions Dec 23 23:14:48 so create block using normal nokia libcal Dec 23 23:14:49 I'd feel better dealing with CAL records in the "right way" Dec 23 23:15:01 and then just update it in place Dec 23 23:15:44 aiui uBoot used exactly same simple scheme for its env partition Dec 23 23:16:42 so my idea was uBoot learns to treat calib partiton as his very genuine env and you can access all CAL settings and read&store uBoot envs Dec 23 23:17:35 sp3000: ok, so why didn't he know about the other bug? Dec 23 23:18:09 shrubbery Dec 23 23:18:09 timeless_mbp: what exactly was the point in that post #5? Dec 23 23:18:19 DocScrutinizer: full cal implementation will require full nand implementation Dec 23 23:18:27 including locking/unlocking otp blocks Dec 23 23:18:29 DocScrutinizer: you asked what it was Dec 23 23:18:32 that's what it is :) Dec 23 23:18:54 timeless_mbp: sorry, I don't get it Dec 23 23:19:26 [2010-12-24 00:07:08] where to look to learn about calibration partition? [2010-12-24 00:08:02] What is CAL? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465 is a bit out of date [2010-12-24 00:10:19] http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=186162&postcount=5 Dec 23 23:19:48 DocScrutinizer: the definition of what is hasn't changed Dec 23 23:20:00 that url is still as correct as it was when it was posted Dec 23 23:20:07 19:19 < slonopotamus> jacekowski: that's what i have currently: http://git.slonopotamus.org/?p=opendsme;a=blob;f=src/libopencal.c;h=fcb51c82e9de2ac53ee468606b98ac602111d01d;hb=HEAD#l437 Dec 23 23:20:12 hah Dec 23 23:20:14 found it Dec 23 23:20:24 timeless_mbp: and how's that an answer to my question? Dec 23 23:20:39 if someone asks "what is IBM" Dec 23 23:20:46 the answer is "International Business Machines" Dec 23 23:20:59 AT&T is "American Telephone & Telegraph" Dec 23 23:21:07 it doesn't change Dec 23 23:21:11 it's also a stupid question Dec 23 23:21:13 so don't ask it Dec 23 23:21:31 *MY* question being >>where to look to learn about calibration partition?<< NOT the thread subject >>What is CAL?<< of http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465 is a bit out of date Dec 23 23:22:13 if you didn't notice, you pointed me to same thread Dec 23 23:22:29 i did notice Dec 23 23:22:40 well, many thanks then Dec 23 23:25:28 ~seen slonopotamus Dec 23 23:25:40 slonopotamus <~slonopota@85.26.155.84> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 16h 50m 39s ago, saying: 'anyone has example usage of HildonFileSelection?'. Dec 23 23:27:34 DocScrutinizer: i just looked at that code and it looks complete Dec 23 23:27:52 DocScrutinizer: as in usable Dec 23 23:27:57 code to access NAND in uBoot? Dec 23 23:28:17 nah, open code for cal Dec 23 23:28:23 aah Dec 23 23:28:35 cool Dec 23 23:28:54 linky? Dec 23 23:29:16 i linked it 9 minutes ago Dec 23 23:29:23 ooh Dec 24 00:27:47 after reflashing my device, im trying to selectively install the packages i went from a backup, i have the packages.backup file open and did a sudo gainroot, i made an apt-get install line with a list of the packages i want. it wont run because lots of the packages have dependancies which are not able to be installed. what could cause this? Dec 24 00:28:50 i mean of course they have dependancies, why does it say that they prerequisite packages have no installation candidate? Dec 24 00:34:38 looool, my n900 directory is 666MB big ^^ Dec 24 00:36:23 packages affected are: aircrack-ng, gltron, kismet, mirror, mysocials, numptyphysics, wargus, wifieye Dec 24 00:36:36 xim_: sorry, I don't really understand what you're doing with that backup Dec 24 00:37:36 why don't you use the backup app to restore the apps? Dec 24 00:37:45 i just opened the files and am looking at the xml package list inside, then adding the specific ones i want (not all the crazy ones that pwned my phone in the first place) through apt-get Dec 24 00:38:55 i have the three extras repos too Dec 24 00:41:19 nm i figured it out Dec 24 00:41:31 why don't you use the backup app? Dec 24 00:41:32 for some reason having the extras repo twice was screwing things up Dec 24 00:42:06 because what is the sense in restoring all the apps that fubared my phone in the first place Dec 24 00:42:32 without the ability to de select packages the backup app isn't very useful Dec 24 00:42:35 you don't need to install all the apps Dec 24 00:42:56 can you deselect some of them? Dec 24 00:43:10 there is a very convenient option to do that Dec 24 00:43:30 orly Dec 24 00:44:00 last time I checked I think there was, yes Dec 24 00:44:02 timeless_mbp: looks like he had some trouble attaching a series of patches, and got the same patch twice twice Dec 24 00:44:13 good morning Dec 24 00:44:22 but looks like bmo went down so enough of my mess of a cleanup Dec 24 00:44:22 i didnt see it Dec 24 00:44:45 (the other bmo, not the one relevant to this channel, ...) Dec 24 00:47:04 jacekowski, you been watching my youtubes? Dec 24 01:05:22 lcuk: no Dec 24 01:05:40 lcuk: youtube just suggested me that i may be interested Dec 24 01:05:44 so i clicked subscribe Dec 24 01:07:55 lcuk: but i've seen all videos from you Dec 24 01:13:37 well, xim seems has left. But HAM has a selection feature for the apps to restore Dec 24 01:15:05 http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10094 if somebody cares **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 24 01:26:45 2010 Dec 24 02:03:38 RST38h: "If you need the highest performance floating point on Cortex-A8, you need to use single precision and ensure the code uses the NEON vectorized instructions" Dec 24 02:03:52 says some guy... http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard Dec 24 02:11:17 yes, VFP on the A8 is a VFP lite which is slower then NEON Dec 24 02:21:50 still wondering why anybody needs FP. Usually it's just laziness Dec 24 02:22:31 reals aka floats that is Dec 24 02:22:46 if you need to work with very very very big vales along with very very very small values Dec 24 02:23:32 still no proper excuse Dec 24 02:24:10 how do yo represent such a big dynamic range? Dec 24 02:24:11 but sometimes a start for a rationale Dec 24 02:24:18 you Dec 24 02:24:51 IF it's really that large a DYNAMIC range the it is justified Dec 24 02:25:46 I can go along with that Dec 24 02:26:20 if the very very small are always x *10^-37 and the very large always y *10^24 and x and y have no large range, the you have no true DYNAMIC range yet Dec 24 02:27:04 why does WebGL work fine with the N900-specific pages, but nothing generic? Dec 24 02:27:53 yep Dec 24 02:28:04 also if you have actually such a dynamic range but a precision thats so poor you can cope with maxint discrete values between min and max, you still don't need floats Dec 24 02:28:38 basically, if you can scale it, you don'tneed floats Dec 24 02:29:08 DocScrutinizer: laziness plus in most cases, floats don't hurt Dec 24 02:29:31 you bet they do, on mobile devices etc Dec 24 02:29:41 most people don't care about mobile devices yet Dec 24 02:29:50 yep Dec 24 02:29:56 anyway, cya **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 24 02:59:58 2010