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Dec 28 03:00:15 <lucent> according to the individual who is sheparding the effort, he has direct access to tinker with stuff, but it gets reset if you make changes to your account
Dec 28 03:00:45 <lucent> luke-jr: I won't cover your losses if I'm wrong, but I think that this person is not concerned with how much you're paying
Dec 28 03:01:20 <luke-jr> well, the beta page does say you need one of their "unlimited" plans. so he might care that I'm on a standard unlimited plan
Dec 28 03:02:36 <lucent> yeah I don't think it would be risky to apply on the form
Dec 28 03:02:51 <luke-jr> I mean that I'm *not* on a standard plan
Dec 28 03:03:36 <lucent> right, but from a company view, the guy is going to check "can I sign this person up for the FUT or not?" and not worry about your details
Dec 28 03:03:52 <lucent> just my two cents man, don't mind me :)
Dec 28 03:05:01 <lucent> given that /etc/resolv.conf contains a line "nameserver 127.0.0.1", how to make that IPv6 enabled?
Dec 28 03:05:16 <MohammadAG> i think you need kernel-power
Dec 28 03:05:23 <lucent> is it what, dnsmasq or something? will that listen on ::1
Dec 28 03:05:35 <lucent> oh, correct MohammadAG and actually I do have kernel-power :)
Dec 28 03:05:51 <merlin1991> lucent, yes it's dnsmasq
Dec 28 03:05:52 <MohammadAG> just making sure ;)
Dec 28 03:06:07 * MohammadAG wants orientation lock
Dec 28 03:06:17 <lucent> I have kernel-power, n900ipv6 goodies from code.google.com/p/n900ipv6
Dec 28 03:06:27 <lucent> ha orientation lock
Dec 28 03:06:39 <MohammadAG> it's annoying in photos
Dec 28 03:06:42 <MohammadAG> hmm
Dec 28 03:07:13 <lucent> I want the phone to wake up when I get a call without it lagging on orientation changes and the "ANSWER" button not suddenly shifting around
Dec 28 03:07:50 <lucent> heard of anyone successfully making a hardware button answer the phone when it rings? would work for me if it did
Dec 28 03:15:57 <lucent> merlin1991: how to make dnsmasq listen on localhost ::1 ?
Dec 28 03:17:46 <luke-jr> lucent: it does by default for me
Dec 28 03:19:01 <lucent> oh, how can you tell?
Dec 28 03:19:45 <luke-jr> netstat -t
Dec 28 03:19:49 <luke-jr> -tl
Dec 28 03:20:31 <lucent> mine says only "tcp 0 127.0.0.1:53 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN"
Dec 28 03:20:33 <lucent> no tcp6
Dec 28 03:20:47 <luke-jr> maybe Maemo's dnsmasq was built w/o IPv6 support
Dec 28 03:21:06 <lucent> oh, that could be
Dec 28 03:23:20 <lucent> luke-jr: does that mean, you have built your own dnsmasq?
Dec 28 03:24:11 <luke-jr> lucent: no, I was looking at my router :P
Dec 28 03:26:10 <lucent> seems to be /etc/event.d/dnsmasq
Dec 28 03:26:29 <lucent> "exec /usr/bsbin/dnsmasq -k -i lo -a 127.0.0.1 -z" hardcoded
Dec 28 03:26:39 <lucent> typos obviously ^^
Dec 28 03:26:50 <luke-jr> lol
Dec 28 03:28:56 <lucent> going to try "exec /usr/sbin/dnsmasq -k -i lo -a 127.0.0.1 -a ::1 -z"
Dec 28 03:33:00 <lucent> shoot, doesn't work
Dec 28 03:37:26 <lucent> don't know why it doesn't start correctly, when I start it manually it works fine
Dec 28 03:46:02 <lucent> luke-jr: any idea why "-a ::1" would make dnsmasq fail to execute from /etc/event.d/dnsmasq ?
Dec 28 04:02:38 <pupnik> 2 hours of mp3 playback and battery meter reads 99%
Dec 28 04:02:50 <lucent> ha, battery meter not working?
Dec 28 04:13:28 <pupnik> lucent: guess what, it's not a n900
Dec 28 04:18:39 <hatake_kakashi> and so the million dollar question is: what phone is it?
Dec 28 04:20:31 <pupnik> internet tablet hatake_kakashi - archos a70s running linux
Dec 28 04:21:19 <hatake_kakashi> pupnik: ahh a different distribution yet again :)
Dec 28 04:21:50 <pupnik> hatake_kakashi: i wish nokia had continued the internet tablet tradition
Dec 28 04:21:52 <hatake_kakashi> too bad that device doesn't have phone functionality built-in
Dec 28 04:22:04 <pupnik> i think it's better without
Dec 28 04:24:07 <hatake_kakashi> pupnik, then again nokia is bleeding red after having iphone as well as android phones eating away it's share of phone market
Dec 28 04:24:45 <SpeedEvil> blackberry on the other side
Dec 28 04:25:34 <psycho_oreos> and speaking of which about blackberry: http://firstain.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/cartoon_iphone-vs-android-vs-bb.jpeg
Dec 28 04:25:53 <luke-jr> lucent: [22:18:12] <luke-jr> maybe Maemo's dnsmasq was built w/o IPv6 support
Dec 28 04:27:09 <pupnik> hatake_kakashi: well the pioneer of a technology often isn't the one who capitalizes on the idea
Dec 28 04:28:22 <hatake_kakashi> pupnik, granted however nokia isn't a company that just focuses on internet tablets
Dec 28 04:28:37 <pupnik> they invented the first usable ones
Dec 28 04:29:06 <pupnik> a courageous band of real computer geeks within the company
Dec 28 04:30:09 <pupnik> so the nokia geeks pioneered the way and showed the world it could be done
Dec 28 04:30:22 <pupnik> then apple and google showed the business world how that tech could be used for evil, and profit :D
Dec 28 04:30:32 <hatake_kakashi> then again I think it was the whole reality of marketing and trends saw internet tablets as a niche market
Dec 28 04:30:49 <luke-jr> pupnik: nonsense
Dec 28 04:30:52 <pupnik> yes... but apple saw how to make money off operators
Dec 28 04:30:59 <pupnik> and google saw how to make money off advertisements
Dec 28 04:31:11 <pupnik> with the same tech
Dec 28 04:31:13 <luke-jr> internet tablets have existed before Nokia even dreamed of it
Dec 28 04:31:26 <hatake_kakashi> apple made a killing from its app store from what I understood
Dec 28 04:31:28 <pupnik> nah, 770 was the first real one
Dec 28 04:32:08 <pupnik> previous 'tablets' didn't have the battery/cpu/size/screen magic bullet
Dec 28 04:32:40 <luke-jr> pupnik: bs
Dec 28 04:32:53 <luke-jr> 770 was a failed idea
Dec 28 04:32:58 <luke-jr> it was underpowered for its generation
Dec 28 04:33:15 <luke-jr> the earlier tablets at least had appropriate batt/cpu/size/screen for their time
Dec 28 04:33:16 <johnx> it really was, considering it came *after* the zauruses
Dec 28 04:33:42 <luke-jr> 64 MB made sense back in 2003, not 2007
Dec 28 04:34:12 <pupnik> yes but the zaurus was 700 euro and the 770 was 350
Dec 28 04:34:27 <luke-jr> but the 770 was far less capable
Dec 28 04:34:38 <luke-jr> it lacked a keyboard, etc
Dec 28 04:34:53 <tzafrir_laptop> hmm..... does the N900 respond really poorly to being short on battery?
Dec 28 04:34:54 <luke-jr> even today, the Zaurus keyboard is far superior to even the N810 and N900
Dec 28 04:35:00 <luke-jr> tzafrir_laptop: it shuts down
Dec 28 04:35:17 <luke-jr> tzafrir_laptop: if it's too slow, it won't even charge*
Dec 28 04:35:24 <pupnik> ok sharp was first you're right
Dec 28 04:35:44 <tzafrir_laptop> luke-jr, I'd be glad if it were only that. I have it connected to USB for several hours now,
Dec 28 04:35:50 <tzafrir_laptop> and it still won't power up
Dec 28 04:36:13 <luke-jr> tzafrir_laptop: try using the wall adapter for 30 mins
Dec 28 04:36:33 <tzafrir_laptop> luke-jr, what's the difference?
Dec 28 04:37:03 <lucent> har, zaurus, I owned that once
Dec 28 04:37:08 <luke-jr> tzafrir_laptop: the wall adapter is supposed to charge faster I think
Dec 28 04:37:09 <tzafrir_laptop> (and yesterday I connected it to the wall adapter, and it took quite a while
Dec 28 04:37:21 <tzafrir_laptop> Aren't both just USB?
Dec 28 04:37:22 <luke-jr> tzafrir_laptop: actually, might not matter since the emergency-charge-mode is only ultra-slow
Dec 28 04:37:50 <luke-jr> lucent: one of the PDAs, or the handhelds/i.tablets?
Dec 28 04:37:56 <lucent> the C3200
Dec 28 04:38:05 <luke-jr> ah, that was the last gen
Dec 28 04:38:07 <lucent> and the C3000, for what it matters they were the same
Dec 28 04:38:12 <luke-jr> tzafrir_laptop: there is no 'just USB'
Dec 28 04:38:21 <tzafrir_laptop> The sad thing is that it was connected to USB power all day, but 5 minutes after I left the office I noticed that the battery is almost empty
Dec 28 04:38:24 <luke-jr> lucent: what happen to it?
Dec 28 04:38:42 <lucent> luke-jr: I never found a daily use for it, and sold it
Dec 28 04:38:50 <luke-jr> tzafrir_laptop: sure? plugged in != charging
Dec 28 04:39:11 <lucent> nice hardware, though.
Dec 28 04:39:13 <tzafrir_laptop> luke-jr, do I have to ask it to start charging?
Dec 28 04:39:27 <luke-jr> tzafrir_laptop: if you connect it to Windows, you do I think
Dec 28 04:39:33 <johnx> tzafrir_laptop, the wall charger will give it more than 500mA. a USB port on a PC will probably only give it 500mA max
Dec 28 04:39:38 <luke-jr> Linux just tells it OK go ahead
Dec 28 04:40:06 <lucent> N900 is my return to a "pocket linux" device, and I think I'm actually using it because it has a phone and a nice camera
Dec 28 04:40:07 <tzafrir_laptop> luke-jr, so if I just connect it, it won't start charging immediately?
Dec 28 04:40:18 <luke-jr> tzafrir_laptop: I don't think Windows will, no
Dec 28 04:40:28 <tzafrir_laptop> regardless of what connection it will use?
Dec 28 04:40:34 <tzafrir_laptop> I use Linux
Dec 28 04:40:47 <lucent> tzafrir_laptop: I think zaurus needs 24 hours to charge, if the battery was too low
Dec 28 04:40:49 <luke-jr> tzafrir_laptop: Linux will probably, but then it depends on the motherboard's capabilities
Dec 28 04:41:14 <luke-jr> tzafrir_laptop: it's also possible to have N900 doing too much that it can't charge
Dec 28 04:41:19 <luke-jr> that is, using more power than it can get
Dec 28 04:41:43 <tzafrir_laptop> luke-jr, there are many USB-powered devices (that only take power). IIRC I don't see them on lsusb
Dec 28 04:42:02 <luke-jr> tzafrir_laptop: irrelevant
Dec 28 04:42:10 <lucent> kernel can shut down power if it sees too much drain, I think
Dec 28 04:42:43 <johnx> also, I've had mine fail to begin charging and needed to unplug and re-plug before it started charging
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Dec 28 04:44:59 <luke-jr> my grandmother's cell phone is amusing
Dec 28 04:45:00 <tzafrir_laptop> They don't do anything close to what the N900 does, but they do it well
Dec 28 04:45:05 <luke-jr> it doesn't have a display, just a numpad
Dec 28 04:45:11 <lucent> I have no illusions, it is true that N900 has a bonus feature called a phone
Dec 28 04:45:17 * johnx pictures tzafrir_laptop with a rotary dialed phone from the 50s :)
Dec 28 04:45:30 <luke-jr> OMG
Dec 28 04:45:34 <luke-jr> that would be a killer app
Dec 28 04:45:37 <luke-jr> a rotary dialer
Dec 28 04:45:39 <tzafrir_laptop> johnx, look for my avatar on jabber.org
Dec 28 04:45:40 <luke-jr> for N900
Dec 28 04:45:40 <lucent> o_O
Dec 28 04:46:00 <lucent> with resistive touchscreen? I'm not liking that :/  but great idea
Dec 28 04:46:02 <psycho_oreos> wait for the novelty to wear off for today's trends
Dec 28 04:46:06 <lucent> would rock on a capacitive screen
Dec 28 04:46:41 <tzafrir_laptop> analog phone networks of today still support pulse dialing. I suspect GSM networks don't
Dec 28 04:47:02 <luke-jr> tzafrir_laptop: well it would emulate that side ofc
Dec 28 04:47:31 <tzafrir_laptop> there's a simpler interface than the dial:
Dec 28 04:47:42 <tzafrir_laptop> click once for 1, 2 for 2, etc.
Dec 28 04:48:03 <tzafrir_laptop> Which is the pulse that is actually sent.
Dec 28 04:48:18 <tzafrir_laptop> And which nobody will get right on a touch screen :-)
Dec 28 04:48:19 <lucent> luke-jr: as in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVLb7dJ8_VY
Dec 28 04:49:09 <psycho_oreos> and traditional rotary dials did not have an undo button, one mistake and you're going to have to repeat the whole sequence again.. I can imagine how much fun that'll be when it comes to international calling combined with calling cards that use automated responses within a time frame
Dec 28 04:50:35 <lucent> luke-jr: FYI the fix for IPv6 was to add "::1" nameserver to resolv.conf, and to make sure dnsmasq started WITHOUT the "-z" (bind interfaces) option
Dec 28 04:51:00 <lucent> not totally sold that it's the correct solution, but it is close to what I wanted
Dec 28 04:51:45 <lucent> better would be to get dnsmasq bound to ::1 and retain the -z option
Dec 28 04:52:22 <lucent> when I tried "-a 127.0.0.1 -a ::1 -z" then dnsmasq would not start from its upstart job
Dec 28 04:53:12 <lucent> simply "-a 127.0.0.1" it starts, and I'm sure will cause problems if I want another instance of dnsmasq running, but I don't need that right now and haven't an idea how to do it correctly
Dec 28 04:54:41 <tzafrir_laptop> speaking of dnsmasq: is there any problem with not preventing it from resolving local addresses?
Dec 28 04:55:10 <lucent> tzafrir_laptop: double negative logic, could you rephrase a bit?
Dec 28 04:56:11 <alterego> Just sent my gf away in a taxi to Paris
Dec 28 04:56:17 <alterego> 5am, nuergh
Dec 28 04:58:32 <johnx> tzafrir_laptop, errr, what do you want it to do that it's not doing right now?
Dec 28 04:59:23 * tzafrir_laptop looks for the name of that option
Dec 28 05:00:38 <tzafrir_laptop> until I find it: here's what telephony people think about rotary phones: http://tzafrir.org.il/~tzafrir/touchtone1.wav
Dec 28 05:00:54 <tzafrir_laptop> (from the Asterisk 'extra' sounds tarball)
Dec 28 05:02:51 <lucent> the amplitude on that audio file is pretty low, wonder why that isn't normalized
Dec 28 05:02:56 <johnx> tzafrir_laptop, which is funny, because that's approximately how I feel about phone menus :)
Dec 28 05:04:12 <tzafrir_laptop> the option is 'domain-needed' . What happens if I remove '--domain-needed' from the dnsmasq command-line?
Dec 28 05:05:30 <johnx> probably nothing helpful but nothing bad?
Dec 28 05:06:32 <johnx> if the DNS server on your local network answers queries like that it might actually be helpful
Dec 28 05:10:03 <johnx> tzafrir_laptop, cool. that's actually helpful for me
Dec 28 05:58:39 <MaKa> guys...
Dec 28 05:58:46 <MaKa> urgent help needed..
Dec 28 05:59:49 <slonopotamus> is there any way to see _all_ mail headers for message in modest?
Dec 28 06:00:03 <johnx> MaKa, just ask the question :)
Dec 28 06:00:07 <MaKa> after installing multiboot,on the very next reboot,i dont find any kernel to select
Dec 28 06:00:09 <MaKa> :(
Dec 28 06:00:23 <MaKa> now its a kinda deadlock:()
Dec 28 06:00:32 <MaKa> i cant boot into my maemo..:(
Dec 28 06:00:43 <MaKa> nor into my memorycard..
Dec 28 06:00:55 <johnx> MaKa, do you have a linux desktop to use?
Dec 28 06:01:14 <MaKa> yep,but i am far away from it right now..
Dec 28 06:01:20 <MaKa> as far as my office from my home :P
Dec 28 06:01:49 <MaKa> any root cause upto ur knowledge johnx?
Dec 28 06:02:04 <johnx> ah, well you could probably use your nokia flasher on your linux desktop to load the stock kernel into RAM once so you could boot into maemo and fix things
Dec 28 06:02:05 <MaKa> i have the meego image on the MicroSD card..
Dec 28 06:02:09 <johnx> nope. never played with multiboot
Dec 28 06:02:18 <MaKa> oh..
Dec 28 06:02:29 <MaKa> i was using bootmenu-n900 so far..
Dec 28 06:02:45 <MaKa> just  gave a try for multiboot and i am hung.. :D
Dec 28 06:03:04 <MaKa> do i need to reflash anything?
Dec 28 06:03:31 <MaKa> or just run the kernel flasher command to just load the rootfs??
Dec 28 06:03:31 <johnx> probably not if you can get booted into maemo
Dec 28 06:03:52 <MaKa> ya okay thanks johnx...
Dec 28 06:04:11 <johnx> luckily you can reflash just the kernel+bootloader+initfs without reflashing the rootfs+emmc
Dec 28 06:04:29 <MaKa> am desperately in need of a solution to boot now without having to goto a desktop,which seems to be impossible now:P
Dec 28 06:04:36 <MaKa> thanks to #maemo :)
Dec 28 06:05:03 <Termana> good morning
Dec 28 06:05:03 <johnx> there should be a CLI flasher for windows and mac, but I don't know enough about them to be helpful
Dec 28 06:05:08 <johnx> mornin' Termana
Dec 28 06:05:39 <MaKa> there is a maemo flasher for windows and it works as fine as the Linux thing..
Dec 28 06:05:48 <MaKa> morning Termana :)
Dec 28 06:08:45 <MaKa> hey johnx,what shud i do now exactly??? :P
Dec 28 06:09:31 <MaKa> i mean i dont know how exactly to load the stock kernel into RAM
Dec 28 06:09:41 <johnx> have you used flasher before?
Dec 28 06:11:06 <MaKa> yeah,i have used it for flashing the emmc and the firmware..
Dec 28 06:11:36 <johnx> so first of all: download a copy of the normal firmware
Dec 28 06:11:48 <johnx> make sure it matches whatever you have installed
Dec 28 06:11:54 <MaKa> ya okay,,
Dec 28 06:12:07 <MaKa> i have the same thing,that is okay!!
Dec 28 06:13:03 <johnx> errr, before we start,  you've googled a bit first, right? ;)
Dec 28 06:13:19 <MaKa> right :)
Dec 28 06:13:35 <johnx> so you tried holding 0 to boot maemo?
Dec 28 06:13:39 <MaKa> yep..
Dec 28 06:13:44 <MaKa> it shows ,what
Dec 28 06:13:52 <MaKa> wait i will tell you now what it tells me..
Dec 28 06:14:29 <MaKa> it says,can't flash kernel,required files not found
Dec 28 06:14:51 <johnx> errr, it says that when booting your N900?
Dec 28 06:15:07 <MaKa> Guru meditation#00000025.62017712
Dec 28 06:15:31 <MaKa> after pressing the 0 on multiboot screen..
Dec 28 06:15:47 <MaKa> also says hit any key to panic.. :(
Dec 28 06:17:09 <johnx> so first I'd unpack the firmware image: flasher-3.5 -u firmware.bin
Dec 28 06:17:38 <MaKa> okay,i will have the unpacked image..
Dec 28 06:18:13 <johnx> flasher-3.5 -k kernel-image.bin -l -b
Dec 28 06:18:28 <johnx> I don't know the exact filename
Dec 28 06:18:47 <MaKa> this will boot the n900 with native os,right?
Dec 28 06:18:47 <MaKa> thanks Johnx:)
Dec 28 06:18:56 <MaKa> http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware&usg=AFQjCNE17uoU0pVr75bGZqiKh0BWlPrfSw
Dec 28 06:18:57 <johnx> you might want to look at flasher-3.5 --help so you can double check, before just trusting me
Dec 28 06:19:14 <johnx> MaKa, it should load the maemo kernel into RAM, *once*
Dec 28 06:19:32 <johnx> but I honestly don't know exactly how multiboot works, so that may or may not be enough
Dec 28 06:19:46 <MaKa> ya,ONCE...that is enuf for me to uninstall this multiboot :)
Dec 28 06:19:50 <MaKa> oh my god :(
Dec 28 06:20:02 <MaKa> let me give it a kick.. :)
Dec 28 06:20:18 <MaKa> the above link is down i guesss..
Dec 28 06:20:28 <MaKa> cant open in my network..
Dec 28 06:20:40 <johnx> me neither
Dec 28 06:22:20 <johnx> back in a couple minutes
Dec 28 06:33:20 <johnx> any luck MaKa ?
Dec 28 06:34:08 <MaKa> Not so far..
Dec 28 06:34:34 <johnx> is flasher managing to load the kernel?
Dec 28 06:36:19 <MaKa> yep..
Dec 28 06:36:49 <MaKa> flasher when done in updating mode,directly loads the kernel..
Dec 28 06:37:00 <MaKa> i guess i will be able to boot into maemo soon :)
Dec 28 07:13:47 <jon8> cute spam guys
Dec 28 07:13:57 <doc|home> what?
Dec 28 07:14:05 <jon8> ah, n/m..
Dec 28 07:14:10 <jon8> geneven was trying to join here
Dec 28 07:14:17 <jon8> and didnt send the command properly.
Dec 28 07:14:41 <doc|home> erm
Dec 28 07:14:43 <doc|home> sure!
Dec 28 07:46:22 <aslani> maemo.org should be online, if ISP did what I asked from them
Dec 28 07:46:38 <aslani> sorry for huge delay, but their customer support is not the best
Dec 28 07:50:30 <xDaReaperx> who's the ISP ?
Dec 28 07:50:38 <xDaReaperx> it's down majority of the time
Dec 28 07:50:39 <xDaReaperx> lol
Dec 28 07:51:27 <aslani> well, it's probably better that we do not start blaming anyone here
Dec 28 07:51:37 <aslani> they really had big issues
Dec 28 07:52:00 <aslani> two of their DCs went totally powerless
Dec 28 07:58:03 <xDaReaperx> oh
Dec 28 07:58:25 <xDaReaperx> atleast it's back now
Dec 28 08:09:31 <achipa> well... not entirely, the autobuilder is still pretty much dead
Dec 28 08:10:31 <Milo-> where does maemo5 hold its 'current ringtone' link or file?
Dec 28 08:10:38 <xDaReaperx> there's an actual load on the server ?
Dec 28 08:10:44 <Milo-> or in which configuration file is that defined in?
Dec 28 08:10:58 <Milo-> or is it unaccessible information?
Dec 28 08:52:42 <timeless_mbp> Milo-: iirc it's copied to some space outside of MyDocs
Dec 28 08:52:51 <timeless_mbp> so that it can be used in all cases
Dec 28 08:53:02 <timeless_mbp> you could figure it out by using strace or strings or something
Dec 28 08:53:08 <timeless_mbp> it's probably fairly obvious
Dec 28 08:53:17 <timeless_mbp> (i'm too lazy to look for the ui spec, sources, or similar)
Dec 28 09:04:54 <RST38h> moorning.
Dec 28 09:06:16 <Venemo> good morning guys
Dec 28 09:16:42 <xDaReaperx> Morning
Dec 28 09:16:47 <xDaReaperx> Afternoon !
Dec 28 09:16:53 <timeless_mbp> evening
Dec 28 09:16:55 <timeless_mbp> good night!
Dec 28 09:17:27 <timeless_mbp> for people too young to remember that, it's http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120382/quotes
Dec 28 09:17:41 <xDaReaperx> I'll step back
Dec 28 09:17:55 <xDaReaperx> cause i'm not American
Dec 28 09:39:22 <Khertan_> Hum ... maemo.org seems back to life :)
Dec 28 09:40:30 <Khertan_> Morning all !
Dec 28 09:50:40 <Venemo> morning Khertan_ :)
Dec 28 09:55:32 <Khertan_> morning Venemo
Dec 28 10:01:02 <rcg> did the autobuilder also pick up the work again?
Dec 28 10:01:16 <rcg> morning btw ;)
Dec 28 10:03:21 <xDaReaperx> all the homepage posts at maemor.org's homepage is gone
Dec 28 10:03:25 <xDaReaperx> theres only one
Dec 28 10:04:17 <rcg> ah, apparently it did
Dec 28 10:05:25 <Khertan_> rcg: autobuilder seems to work
Dec 28 10:05:43 <Khertan_> but my packages aren't push yet to repository
Dec 28 10:06:07 <X-Fade> xDaReaperx: The homepage post just have aged because no new votes were given over the past 24 hours.
Dec 28 10:06:25 <xDaReaperx> oh okay
Dec 28 10:06:44 <X-Fade> xDaReaperx: That is a good thing normally, but now it looks a bit weird :)
Dec 28 10:06:48 <Khertan_> rcg: but it s normal as i ve pushed it 10m ago
Dec 28 10:07:01 <xDaReaperx> Haha yeah it does
Dec 28 10:07:44 <Khertan_> X-Fade: thx for having pushed the missing dependencies of Khweeteur in extras
Dec 28 10:08:02 <X-Fade> Khertan_: I just managed to do that before the outage ;)
Dec 28 10:08:29 <Khertan_> X-Fade: :)
Dec 28 10:09:45 <Khertan_> indeed, Khweeteur user was whinning because while i ve pushed a broken new version in extras (due to missing dependencies), pyside team pushed new beta of binding which break the devel version of Khweeteur
Dec 28 10:10:14 <X-Fade> Khertan_: Life of a repository manager is great ;)
Dec 28 10:10:43 <Khertan_> the life of a developper/packager isn't bad too :)
Dec 28 10:12:35 <Khertan_> also i ve a question to the good repository manager you are :)
Dec 28 10:13:06 <Khertan_> did you think http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/pyside/0.1.4.5-0maemo1/ should not be removed from extras-devel as, it s outdated and unmaintained ?
Dec 28 10:16:35 <rcg> X-Fade: our hero! .. as in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eCdIe0wdvU
Dec 28 10:17:27 <X-Fade> Khertan_: I wonder what is up with that one :)
Dec 28 10:19:28 <Khertan_> X-Fade: :)
Dec 28 10:19:44 <X-Fade> Khertan_: After 3 package name changes, it is a bit confusing.
Dec 28 10:19:53 <Khertan_> X-Fade: indeed
Dec 28 10:19:57 <X-Fade> Khertan_: python-pyside is the latest one it seems.
Dec 28 10:20:41 <Khertan_> X-Fade: yes it is
Dec 28 10:21:03 <Khertan_> X-Fade: the last bugged one :) (but it s another story)
Dec 28 10:21:57 <Khertan_> X-Fade: if only one day we can have same package name between each distributions too ... it ll be marvelous !
Dec 28 10:22:43 <X-Fade> Khertan_: Yes, the stable api promise should come at some point :)
Dec 28 10:22:44 <Khertan_> example : qt4-devel, qt-devel, qt4-dev, ... :)
Dec 28 10:23:09 <Khertan_> X-Fade: yep ... but it ll come only if i stop inserting bug in their bugzilla :)
Dec 28 10:23:39 <Khertan_> anyway they made a great quality binding in really few time
Dec 28 10:24:10 <Khertan_> i ll be happy to be the first to push an app which depends on it :)
Dec 28 10:24:27 <Khertan_> s/push/push to extras
Dec 28 10:24:42 <DocScrutinizer> ~moo
Dec 28 10:25:02 <Khertan_> ~boo
Dec 28 10:25:09 <ptl> ~shoo
Dec 28 10:25:12 <X-Fade> Khertan_: Yeah, we probably would need to help it a bit with all the python dependencies. But let's see.
Dec 28 10:26:10 <DocScrutinizer> ev'rything back to normal? (except infobot missing)
Dec 28 10:26:19 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: Should be.
Dec 28 10:27:36 <Khertan_> X-Fade: the 4 previous release of Khweeteur in devel was depending on pyside without any problems
Dec 28 10:28:07 <Khertan_> but i ven't try to push to extras :)
Dec 28 10:34:10 <X-Fade> zap: unzip zapped.
Dec 28 10:34:23 <Ex-Opesa> I installed apmefo and now catorise is not working. What should I do?
Dec 28 10:35:15 <Ex-Opesa> I removed apmefo and catorise and reinstalled catorise still its not working.
Dec 28 10:35:38 <Khertan_> Ex-Opesa: v 0.9-6:      Add compatibility with Catorise. Both applications can now be installed next to each other without either one messing up the other. To switch between them, simply choose Activate or Deactivate from within ApMeFo.
Dec 28 10:35:45 <Khertan_> it should not happen
Dec 28 10:37:04 <RST38h> More riots!
Dec 28 10:37:12 <Ex-Opesa> Khertan_, Thanks for the reply. Well I did deactivate before uninstalling ApMefo. I am now again installing apmefo to try.. :S
Dec 28 10:37:52 <acidjazz> sup yall
Dec 28 10:37:56 <acidjazz> cool gingerbread hack on the n900
Dec 28 10:38:09 <acidjazz> i just dusted mine off and turned it on
Dec 28 10:38:18 <acidjazz> anything cool/new ?
Dec 28 10:39:29 <Venemo> acidjazz: if you refer to NITdroid, ask on #nitdroid
Dec 28 10:39:46 <Ex-Opesa> Khertan_, My device ones stuck while using catorise's GUI. I had to restart the device. Could this be the problem that catorise is not working again?
Dec 28 10:40:05 <Khertan_> Ex-Opesa: don't know i didn't use it
Dec 28 10:40:10 <Khertan_> contact his autor
Dec 28 10:40:22 <Ex-Opesa> Khertan_: Okay.
Dec 28 10:49:02 <zap> X-Fade: thank you, will submit again this evening, wonder what'll happen :)
Dec 28 10:49:29 <X-Fade> zap: You and me both :D
Dec 28 10:54:08 <Jaffa> Ex-Opesa: What's happening with Catorise?
Dec 28 10:54:21 <Jaffa> Ex-Opesa: Although I don't know who wrote CatoriseGUI, so I don't support *that*
Dec 28 10:56:25 <psycho_oreos> Ex-Opesa, happened to me before, its a config somewhere that's fubared.. I didn't bother investigating and did a complete reflash/setup.. even the osso-backup will make catorise not work
Dec 28 10:59:45 <Jaffa> psycho_oreos: Ex-Opesa: /opt/catorise/menu is probably the one in question;  but no-one's raised a bug AFAIK
Dec 28 11:00:32 <psycho_oreos> Jaffa, heh I never bothered, my bad
Dec 28 11:05:43 <Jaffa> timeless_mbp: ping
Dec 28 11:05:56 <timeless_mbp> pong
Dec 28 11:06:15 <Ex-Opesa> Jaffa, psycho_oreos: I just solved it now. Deleted the hildon.menu file. It automatically made new file and now catorise and everything works normal. :)
Dec 28 11:06:42 <timeless_mbp> pool/itunes-library   54Gi   54Gi  629Mi    99%    /Users/timeless/Music/iTunes
Dec 28 11:06:51 * timeless_mbp has decided it's time to clean out a directory :(
Dec 28 11:08:13 <Jaffa> timeless_mbp: Is it possible via DBus, or some other mechanism, to query microb's current URL etc? Trying to move to OAuth 2.0 for Facebook & Hermes, and it's... complicated.
Dec 28 11:09:23 * timeless_mbp ponders
Dec 28 11:09:46 <edheldil> Hi all, is there any progress in getting JavaME on n900?
Dec 28 11:10:28 <Jaffa> timeless_mbp: Or, is it possible to embed microb in a widget and have full control over it & an API for changing URL/querying current URL?
Dec 28 11:11:02 <RobbieThe1st> edheldil:  I don't think so, due to patents and such. JavaSE, however works(though patent-legality is dubious
Dec 28 11:11:06 <timeless_mbp> Jaffa: microb is basically embedable
Dec 28 11:11:20 <timeless_mbp> that's how the tutorial app and maps work
Dec 28 11:11:34 <timeless_mbp> oh and conversations
Dec 28 11:12:34 <Jaffa> timeless_mbp: Do you know of any simple examples?
Dec 28 11:12:39 <Khertan_> Jaffa: maybe it s better to use qt webkit for futur compatibility ?
Dec 28 11:12:55 <timeless_mbp> Jaffa: iirc browser.garage has a sample
Dec 28 11:12:59 <edheldil> RobbieThe1st:  I was afraid it would be like that :(. It's sad that Nokia does not bother :(
Dec 28 11:13:04 <Jaffa> Khertan_: Very possibly, but I'm not sure I want to move the whole app to Qt to fix one bug
Dec 28 11:13:11 <timeless_mbp> edheldil: eh
Dec 28 11:13:16 <Jaffa> Khertan_: Or maybe I can have a hybrid Qt & Gtk app
Dec 28 11:13:27 <Khertan_> Jaffa, theorically the user should input manually the pin code ...
Dec 28 11:13:36 <timeless_mbp> edheldil: it's sad that nokia doesn't spend $$$$$ on something of minimal value?
Dec 28 11:13:38 <RobbieThe1st> edheldil: Not sure what it's useful for, though. Between Debian apps and custom-n900 stuff...
Dec 28 11:13:50 <Khertan_> Jaffa: did you plan to use python-oauth2 ?
Dec 28 11:14:11 <DocScrutinizer> Jaffa: maybe with a custom CSS? which just wraps up the original webpage but exports the URL to "<anywhere>"
Dec 28 11:14:49 <RobbieThe1st> edheldil: And with JavaSE(Icedtea) good enough to run frigging -runescape-, it's not like you can't just use desktop Java apps(slowly).
Dec 28 11:14:59 <Jaffa> Khertan_: I just started with something small. The problem is that I can redirect the user to a page where 'code' is in the URL param and pull that out via JS and ask the user to enter it. However, Facebook's 'code' parameter (which you then pass back to get an access_token) is about 32 characters.
Dec 28 11:15:08 <edheldil> the usual reason :). There are many apps for JavaME ... even if dumb, they are useful and they are NOW :)
Dec 28 11:15:11 <Jaffa> Khertan_: Making retyping it from a webpage annoying
Dec 28 11:16:31 <RobbieThe1st> edheldil: What - specifically - are you looking for?
Dec 28 11:16:35 <timeless_mbp> Jaffa: anyway, in short there's a sample demo source in our old svn repo
Dec 28 11:16:56 <edheldil> OpenWIG :)
Dec 28 11:17:04 <Jaffa> timeless_mbp: Thanks
Dec 28 11:18:26 <RobbieThe1st> edheldil: Hm... what about MicroEmulator?
Dec 28 11:18:26 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_mbp: wasn't that you who told me user can define custom CSS for microB?
Dec 28 11:18:36 <timeless_mbp> could have been
Dec 28 11:18:37 <RobbieThe1st> http://www.microemu.org/
Dec 28 11:18:38 * timeless_mbp does
Dec 28 11:18:44 <tybollt_> meh, meego source too big for a 2G card :-P
Dec 28 11:19:05 <timeless_mbp> which reminds me, i have an 8gb card from nokia california
Dec 28 11:19:09 * timeless_mbp should bring it in
Dec 28 11:20:25 <edheldil> RobbieThe1st:  thank you, sounds cumbersome (needs IcedTea, right?), but perhaps doable.
Dec 28 11:20:39 <RobbieThe1st> Yea
Dec 28 11:21:33 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_mbp: and such a custom CSS could contain script code, right?
Dec 28 11:21:45 <timeless_mbp> well
Dec 28 11:21:48 <timeless_mbp> not generally
Dec 28 11:22:46 <DocScrutinizer> hmm :-S
Dec 28 11:25:02 <DocScrutinizer> Jaffa: so another idea: use a local "proxy", that is parsing the HTTP traffic
Dec 28 11:25:27 <timeless_mbp> DocScrutinizer: it should be https traffic..
Dec 28 11:26:04 <DocScrutinizer> ...as I gather the REFERER won't contain the complete info you need, when you just direct microB to a local page reading it out
Dec 28 11:27:23 <timeless_mbp> you could run a local web server
Dec 28 11:27:34 <timeless_mbp> depending on how oauth works
Dec 28 11:27:47 <timeless_mbp> perhaps you can get the oath thing to redirect to your server at the end?
Dec 28 11:28:35 <rcg> edheldil: looking for http://maemo.org/packages/view/microemulator/ ?
Dec 28 11:29:07 <Jaffa> timeless_mbp: Oooh, good idea. It should be able to redirect to http://localhost:<somerandoport>
Dec 28 11:29:19 <timeless_mbp> yep
Dec 28 11:29:42 <timeless_mbp> the amount of web server that you need to implement for this would be trivial
Dec 28 11:29:48 <Jaffa> Indeed.
Dec 28 11:29:56 <Jaffa> Hell, it knows it's only going to get a single request.
Dec 28 11:30:02 * Jaffa ponders whilst he goes out bed shopping.
Dec 28 11:30:08 <Jaffa> Thanks DocScrutinizer, khertan, timeless_mbp
Dec 28 11:30:18 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, so just a lil bit smarter than a "proxy"
Dec 28 11:32:36 <timeless_mbp> proxies are hard to do
Dec 28 11:32:45 <timeless_mbp> but the key is that this is more or less how oauth was designed
Dec 28 11:32:54 <timeless_mbp> you were trying to fight the design, which is silly
Dec 28 11:33:53 <DocScrutinizer> maybe. I'm a complete noob regarding HTML and all that is related
Dec 28 11:35:48 <DocScrutinizer> and I never heard of oauth, so quite possibly you're right :-D
Dec 28 11:39:56 <timeless_mbp> DocScrutinizer: that's why i get all the web questions ;-)
Dec 28 11:40:10 <timeless_mbp> anyway, time for me to head in
Dec 28 11:51:58 <trumee> anybody using a tomtom stanav?
Dec 28 11:52:03 <trumee> *satnav
Dec 28 11:52:33 <trumee> i was wondering how well the bluetooth connectivity works with N900
Dec 28 11:53:04 * trumee swears never to connect a TomTom to a linux system. It kills the TomTom
Dec 28 11:55:48 <tybollt_> trumee: ? my 730 works just fine w/ my n900
Dec 28 11:56:15 <trumee> tybollt_: thanks for letting me know. i was planning to get a 750.
Dec 28 11:56:44 <trumee> tybollt_: so does handsfree work on TomTom connected to N900 via bluetooth?
Dec 28 11:56:58 <tybollt_> granted I don't use it at all - seeing as I have another system for handsfree :)
Dec 28 11:57:24 <tybollt_> trumee: supposedly yes - it announces the capability and such - never tried it though
Dec 28 11:57:49 <trumee> tybollt_: another system?
Dec 28 11:58:58 <trumee> tybollt_: can tomtom use the internet on N900?
Dec 28 11:59:22 <tybollt_> trumee: Parrot MKI9200 in specific
Dec 28 11:59:50 <tybollt_> trumee: yes, I have made it tether on the n900
Dec 28 12:00:57 <trumee> tybollt_: sorry i only had a basic TomTom One until now so i am a noob. What is the advantage of tethering TomTom to N900?
Dec 28 12:01:17 <tybollt_> none - far as I can see
Dec 28 12:01:32 <tybollt_> well it can download the sat quickfix
Dec 28 12:01:36 <tybollt_> shrug
Dec 28 12:02:14 <trumee> ah! i see. The 750 model has Live services, not sure if it can use N900 bluetooth
Dec 28 12:03:25 <trumee> tybollt_: what is the advantage of Parrot system over TomTom?
Dec 28 12:08:19 <trumee> tybollt_: will it be possible to play the music stored in N900 on the TomTom?
Dec 28 12:10:36 <trumee> tybollt_: ?
Dec 28 12:26:32 <edheldil> rcg: yes, thank you
Dec 28 12:52:29 <TiagoTiago> hi
Dec 28 13:01:36 <TiagoTiago> would it be safe to plug my N900 to a pc and run chkdisk on it? With dmesg i spoted several error lines like "fat_bmap_cluster: request beyond EOF" and i'm having some issues with playing and recording videos and a few other things
Dec 28 13:02:25 <kerio> run fsck on it
Dec 28 13:02:50 <TiagoTiago> does the N900 got that?
Dec 28 13:04:08 <kerio> dunno, maybe?
Dec 28 13:04:42 <TiagoTiago> ok, found it
Dec 28 13:15:30 <trumee> is it possible to send send phobe calls over bluetooth, but play music through headphone jack?
Dec 28 13:17:06 <trumee> or send music via fm-transmitter and phone calls through bluetooth?
Dec 28 13:17:45 <trumee> is this sort of hack possible at all?
Dec 28 13:20:57 <TiagoTiago> fsck has halted, what do i do?
Dec 28 13:23:03 <TiagoTiago> would control-C screw up my MyDocs?
Dec 28 13:23:36 <TiagoTiago> kerio?
Dec 28 13:25:14 <TiagoTiago> anyone?
Dec 28 13:25:17 <trumee> TiagoTiago: channel is a bit quiet today :(
Dec 28 13:25:49 <TiagoTiago> :(
Dec 28 13:26:25 <satmd> TiagoTiago: it won't
Dec 28 13:26:34 <satmd> unless it warned you
Dec 28 13:27:08 <satmd> for fsck you need to *unmount* the partition in question
Dec 28 13:27:13 <TiagoTiago> it is safe to control-C out of it?
Dec 28 13:27:18 <TiagoTiago> already done
Dec 28 13:27:23 <satmd> then, yes
Dec 28 13:28:55 <DocScrutinizer> trumee: technically it's of course possible. But I have no clue how mafw is dealing with that and how to tweak it so e.g. mediaplayer is using headset-jack despite bluetooth headset is connected
Dec 28 13:29:37 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: i would be happy even with mplayer or Mediabox.
Dec 28 13:29:53 <DocScrutinizer> for sure it would be mutually exclusive usually, means playback of music will stop while doing a phonecall
Dec 28 13:30:08 <TiagoTiago> well, i interrupted and fired it up again and it gave me all the same msgs again then stoped at the same point :(
Dec 28 13:30:24 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: i want send phonecalls to the TomTom over bluetooth and music to car stereo over headphone-jack
Dec 28 13:30:36 <DocScrutinizer> I see
Dec 28 13:30:54 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: mutually exclusive will be good in my case
Dec 28 13:32:27 <DocScrutinizer> if maemo audiosystem wouldn't be so errr. how to say that... suboptimal and of limited versatility, then it should be simple to define e.g output of audiodevice used by mplayer to go to hs-connector unconditionally
Dec 28 13:34:28 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: so something needs to be done in pulseaudio?
Dec 28 13:34:34 <DocScrutinizer> I guess you have to fumble with that PA-policy definition files etc. Alas I have no idea how those work, or where to get info how they work
Dec 28 13:34:41 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Dec 28 13:35:11 <TiagoTiago> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=yCeT9FT9 <- this is what is happening
Dec 28 13:36:01 <Termana> What DocScrutinizer is really trying to say is PA is a piece of garbage.
Dec 28 13:36:06 <Termana> aucat/libsndio FTW!
Dec 28 13:39:09 <TiagoTiago> what should i do?
Dec 28 13:40:00 <RST38h> Tiago: You should sacrifice some mammals to the Tentacled One
Dec 28 13:40:15 <RST38h> For your FAT partition has been majorly fucked up.
Dec 28 13:41:04 <TiagoTiago> :(
Dec 28 13:41:11 <Termana> TiagoTiago, rm -rf /
Dec 28 13:41:50 <TiagoTiago> i don't think that command is safe....
Dec 28 13:42:06 <Termana> Naw, would I give you an unsafe command?
Dec 28 13:42:12 <MohammadAG> Termana, include a smiley next time
Dec 28 13:43:41 <trumee> i had similar sorts of issues as TiagoTiago reading fat drive of my TomTom yesterday.
Dec 28 13:44:00 <trumee> It died eventually.
Dec 28 13:44:59 <MohammadAG> may it rest in piece
Dec 28 13:46:12 <trumee> MohammadAG: well it is, after burning a hole in my pocket
Dec 28 13:46:27 <TiagoTiago> So my N900 is on its las breaths? 0.0
Dec 28 13:46:30 <MohammadAG> o_O
Dec 28 13:46:45 <TiagoTiago> last*
Dec 28 13:47:29 <trumee> Somehow i feel that vfat fs  works best with windows
Dec 28 13:48:34 <TiagoTiago> do you mean when it is running or to fix it?
Dec 28 13:50:34 <trumee> With TomTom it was all the time i think
Dec 28 13:50:41 <E0x> hmm exist a way of i can use the n900 keyboard in a remote machine ?
Dec 28 13:50:54 <TiagoTiago> VNC?
Dec 28 13:50:55 <E0x> i mean use it for remote input data
Dec 28 13:51:01 <Spookje> ssh?
Dec 28 13:51:08 <E0x> in X
Dec 28 13:51:23 <Khertan_> vnc over ssh
Dec 28 13:51:56 <E0x> na
Dec 28 13:51:59 <E0x> let me google
Dec 28 13:52:06 <TiagoTiago> would it be safe to delete the files that it says has errors in them? And would that help or make things worse?
Dec 28 13:52:09 <Termana> Slap a couple of things together and you a whole new thing
Dec 28 13:52:25 <DocScrutinizer> TiagoTiago: while your fsck.vfat output clearly shows there's something fishy with your fs, I can't see why it shouldn't eventually succeed to fix this. fsck might take a long time to finish. what exactly did you do?
Dec 28 13:52:42 <trumee> anybody used Sygic?
Dec 28 13:52:42 <Termana> get a*
Dec 28 13:53:21 * trumee is wondering if Sygic is the way forward after the death of TomTom
Dec 28 13:53:22 <DocScrutinizer> TiagoTiago: deleting files on a messed up fs is a bad idea
Dec 28 13:53:38 <TiagoTiago> dunno, been having issues with the N900 freezing for a few seconds while recording videos and some weird msgs when trying to play some videos
Dec 28 13:54:02 <DocScrutinizer> also most probably will not work at all, as your vfat partition should be mounted r/o for all I understand
Dec 28 13:54:36 <TiagoTiago> And i think at one point i had i run out of battery while recording a video
Dec 28 13:55:27 <TiagoTiago> if interrupt fsck and mount MyDocs again it will become readonly?
Dec 28 13:56:02 <DocScrutinizer> I think so. Try adding parameter -v to fsck.vfat
Dec 28 13:56:34 <TiagoTiago> interrupt it and run it again with that parameter added?
Dec 28 13:57:15 <Spookje> from the fsck.vfat man page: When dosfsck checks a file system, it accumulates all changes in memory and performs them only after all checks are complete. This can be disabled with the -w option.
Dec 28 13:57:48 <Spookje> so no changes have been made if you interrupt it
Dec 28 13:57:56 <TiagoTiago> (btw, if i disapear its because things went really bad, and since my desktop machine is also in need of repairs i won't have a way to come back here soon :(
Dec 28 13:57:58 <TiagoTiago> ok
Dec 28 13:57:59 <Spookje> and I doubt it will make changes on a mounted fs.
Dec 28 13:58:10 <TiagoTiago> i unmounted it
Dec 28 13:58:39 <Spookje> then i'd try running fsck with -v
Dec 28 13:58:49 <TiagoTiago> or at least i told it to unmount it and it didn't complain
Dec 28 13:58:50 <Spookje> see what happens.. and wait...
Dec 28 13:59:22 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Dec 28 13:59:30 <TiagoTiago> ok, here it goes
Dec 28 13:59:53 <DocScrutinizer> TiagoTiago: you also can have an occasional look at dmesg in other xterm
Dec 28 14:00:07 <TiagoTiago> ok
Dec 28 14:00:27 <DocScrutinizer> really severe hw IO-errors should show up there
Dec 28 14:00:51 <Spookje> so we hope they don't...
Dec 28 14:00:56 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Dec 28 14:01:47 <Spookje> but running out of power while filming seems to me like common FAT problems
Dec 28 14:01:50 <DocScrutinizer> fsck'ng 28GB on eMMC can take incredibly long. Especially when swap kicks in
Dec 28 14:02:25 <RST38h> Well... Try copying a video file from eMMC to the uSD or back.
Dec 28 14:03:03 <DocScrutinizer> you might be better off to try and connect the vfat partition to your PC via mass storage and then run fsck there (if that even works)
Dec 28 14:03:23 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: duuring fsck run?
Dec 28 14:04:28 <TiagoTiago> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=sfLHtYcU with the -v
Dec 28 14:04:44 <TiagoTiago> brb
Dec 28 14:04:56 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
Dec 28 14:04:57 <MohammadAG> oh nice
Dec 28 14:05:08 <MohammadAG> the packet injection driver went FOSS
Dec 28 14:05:18 <MohammadAG> but he wants donations for that FOSS
Dec 28 14:05:24 <MohammadAG> so not exactly F
Dec 28 14:05:55 <RST38h> Doc: No, just during normal operation, will be enough
Dec 28 14:06:25 <RST38h> Mohammad: FOSS enough. He does not force you to donate, just asks for donations (which he will not get)
Dec 28 14:06:43 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: what's wrong with asking for donations?
Dec 28 14:07:33 <MohammadAG> RST38h, he does, you need to donate to get a link
Dec 28 14:07:42 <DocScrutinizer> ouch
Dec 28 14:07:46 <MohammadAG> "After your donation you receive a download link including"
Dec 28 14:08:03 <TiagoTiago> Dunno if it has anything to do with my problem, but sometimes i've tried OC'ing, and i got Fcam installed
Dec 28 14:08:03 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, you ask for them, after you provide me with something
Dec 28 14:08:10 <MohammadAG> not before
Dec 28 14:08:17 <MohammadAG> OCing corrupts the FS
Dec 28 14:08:27 * MohammadAG has seen that on a lot of devices here
Dec 28 14:09:16 * MohammadAG ponders donating then pushing the source into kernel-power
Dec 28 14:10:19 <DocScrutinizer> OCing also can eat your eMMC interface hardware, so don't complain when it turns out your MyDocs has permanent random errors
Dec 28 14:10:35 <MohammadAG> that is not FUD ^
Dec 28 14:10:55 <TiagoTiago> How people run around keeping their N900s OC'd at high values and don't report any issues?
Dec 28 14:11:37 <DocScrutinizer> because those issues build up over time, and most people olso won't attribute their issues to OC, as you didn't
Dec 28 14:11:53 <DocScrutinizer> also*
Dec 28 14:12:07 <MohammadAG> how do some people die at the age of 15?
Dec 28 14:12:20 <MohammadAG> wait what
Dec 28 14:12:22 <alterego> Heh
Dec 28 14:12:23 <kerio> how do i shot web?
Dec 28 14:12:33 <MohammadAG> The driver is Matan's code, and lxp's selling it o_O
Dec 28 14:12:45 <DocScrutinizer> nooo MohammadAG - there's not a single one here who reported he died at age of 15 yet :-P
Dec 28 14:12:46 * MohammadAG can't believe he thanked Matan, oh well
Dec 28 14:12:46 <TiagoTiago> Is undervolting also way more dangerous than people make it seem to be?
Dec 28 14:12:48 <alterego> Ah, I see the Anti-FUD around OCing effect is still in full swing.
Dec 28 14:13:15 <fellu> Hi.
Dec 28 14:13:39 <DocScrutinizer> TiagoTiago: undervolting is just silly
Dec 28 14:13:46 <TiagoTiago> Why?
Dec 28 14:13:54 <kerio> my grandfather died at 89 after smoking two packs of cigarettes each day for like 70 years, with no problems at all
Dec 28 14:14:03 <kerio> it doesn't mean that smoking is not dangerous
Dec 28 14:14:12 <fellu> Is there any application for tracking GPS-signal and upload it to internet?
Dec 28 14:14:17 <fellu> Like with google maps, or something
Dec 28 14:14:28 <fellu> So ppl can see my location real time..
Dec 28 14:14:30 <kerio> fellu: well there's google latitude
Dec 28 14:14:38 <fellu> Oh, how it works
Dec 28 14:14:51 <fellu> Lets see.
Dec 28 14:14:54 <TiagoTiago> There is a rare percentage of humans that are immune to HIV infections
Dec 28 14:15:44 <fellu> Does it work on maemo or symbian^3, kerio ?
Dec 28 14:17:06 <kerio> it uses browser geolocalization afaik
Dec 28 14:17:09 <kerio> so... maybe?
Dec 28 14:17:30 <DocScrutinizer> TiagoTiago: (-v) I've hoped fsck would be a lot more informative with this parameter. Anyway I'd think as long as it just runs, you should keep it running. There's no reason to assume it froze or anything, unless no diagnostic output for >50h (sic!)
Dec 28 14:17:30 <TiagoTiago> aren't there some native clients?
Dec 28 14:18:45 <MohammadAG> ^Cing fsck isn't a nice thing, I've done it to /home :P
Dec 28 14:18:45 <alterego> Ah, m.o is back up :)
Dec 28 14:18:50 <alterego> I can upload my packages now.
Dec 28 14:18:54 <MohammadAG> yay
Dec 28 14:19:01 * MohammadAG passes around the beer
Dec 28 14:19:10 <DocScrutinizer> see /tpic
Dec 28 14:19:16 <DocScrutinizer> /topic even
Dec 28 14:19:29 <TiagoTiago> an ASCII throbber indicating it is doing somthing would be nice
Dec 28 14:19:38 <DocScrutinizer> yeah
Dec 28 14:20:08 <MohammadAG> is the throbber this thing -> [\-/]?
Dec 28 14:20:12 <DocScrutinizer> you can tell from a htop in another terminal though
Dec 28 14:20:17 <Spookje> you might just check with top or ps or something
Dec 28 14:20:19 <fellu> kerio, ot
Dec 28 14:20:20 <fellu> oh*
Dec 28 14:20:30 <TiagoTiago> that could be one way to do it
Dec 28 14:20:56 <DocScrutinizer> TiagoTiago: even attach strace to fsck, from another terminal
Dec 28 14:21:10 <DocScrutinizer> TiagoTiago: though I do not recommend that
Dec 28 14:23:07 <DocScrutinizer> TiagoTiago: whatever - freeing up as much memory as possible, esp by closing browser windows and other mem hogs, should help a bit in speeding up fsck
Dec 28 14:25:14 <TiagoTiago> seems fsck is using about 90% of processor time
Dec 28 14:25:34 <DocScrutinizer> actually I guess sth along the line of a swapon /myswapfile; swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p4 would be a good idea prior to running a fsck against eMMC
Dec 28 14:25:59 <DocScrutinizer> TiagoTiago: 90% is ok I'd say
Dec 28 14:28:26 <DocScrutinizer> tbh I have no idea how long a fsck.vfat of 28GB could take on a OMAP3430 @ 500MHz, but I know it takes quite a bit on my 2GHz Pentium with 2GB RAM
Dec 28 14:28:26 <TiagoTiago> brb
Dec 28 14:28:52 <fellu> kerio, thanks. :)
Dec 28 14:28:56 <fellu> Working perfectly
Dec 28 14:29:21 <fellu> That is just what I was looking for. :D
Dec 28 14:32:37 <DocScrutinizer> what? Author: Werner Almesberger? :-D
Dec 28 14:33:07 <DocScrutinizer> aka wpwrak
Dec 28 14:35:34 <alterego> No it isn't "2011-01-03 14:21 UTC"
Dec 28 14:35:37 <alterego> wtf ..
Dec 28 14:35:42 <alterego> http://maemo.org/packages/view/librxsupport/
Dec 28 14:35:49 <alterego> Look at the "Changes" ..
Dec 28 14:35:58 <trx> lol
Dec 28 14:37:19 <TiagoTiago> i have it partitioned a tad differently; though the vfat partition probably not smaller enough to reduce the total time all that much....
Dec 28 14:41:30 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: heh, now you found out how maemo.org got fixed. They advanced the time beyond the critical dates :-P
Dec 28 14:42:27 <alterego> Hahah
Dec 28 14:42:29 <alterego> Yeah
Dec 28 14:42:56 <SpeedEvil> The real problem is the got hit by stuxnet
Dec 28 14:43:13 <DocScrutinizer> was about to write something similar
Dec 28 14:47:17 <TiagoTiago> "FATs differ but appear to be intact, using the first", so there is more than one, would using the second one possibly not give me the errors?
Dec 28 14:48:45 <DocScrutinizer51> meh, finally kill this blue flashing...
Dec 28 14:48:52 <DocScrutinizer51> brb
Dec 28 14:50:16 <DocScrutinizer> DocScrutinizer51: ping
Dec 28 14:50:23 <DocScrutinizer> aaah better
Dec 28 14:50:50 <DocScrutinizer> TiagoTiago: possibly
Dec 28 14:52:37 <TiagoTiago> any way i can test that hipothesis?
Dec 28 14:52:46 <DocScrutinizer> TiagoTiago: -r instead of -y might help. Needs your attention though
Dec 28 14:53:28 <TiagoTiago> thay would offer the option of using the other FAT?
Dec 28 14:55:38 <alterego> Hrm, anyone know how shlibs works?
Dec 28 14:55:54 <alterego> I've got a library, which I've debianised.
Dec 28 14:56:18 <MohammadAG> is it me
Dec 28 14:56:21 <alterego> Then I've got another library that depends on the first, which is now debianised. But shlibs isn't picking up the first package as a dependency.
Dec 28 14:56:34 <MohammadAG> or is QGraphicsView piss easy?
Dec 28 14:56:36 <TiagoTiago> is it safe to run more than one fsck in the same partition simultaneously?
Dec 28 14:57:11 <ShadowJK> TiagoTiago: absolutely not
Dec 28 14:57:20 <MohammadAG> no
Dec 28 14:58:03 <TiagoTiago> ok
Dec 28 14:58:25 <DocScrutinizer> I doubt it would even work
Dec 28 14:59:12 <MohammadAG> alterego, ever used it?
Dec 28 14:59:16 <MohammadAG> QGraphicsView
Dec 28 14:59:24 <MohammadAG> I'm looking at an example of image reflections
Dec 28 14:59:29 <MohammadAG> it looks kinda easy
Dec 28 14:59:36 <DocScrutinizer> (using 2nd FAT) no idea where I've seen an option to do this. I know I've read about it. Maybe with some undelete or recovery tool
Dec 28 14:59:38 <alterego> A bit, it's quite easy, you thinking of using it for video?
Dec 28 14:59:56 <MohammadAG> alterego, no, reflected album art
Dec 28 15:00:05 <alterego> Oh cool :)
Dec 28 15:00:09 <MohammadAG> alterego, reflecting video/processing it in real time is kinda... stressful
Dec 28 15:00:24 <alterego> Yer
Dec 28 15:00:30 <MohammadAG> http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Translucent_reflection_with_Graphics_View found this
Dec 28 15:01:39 <DocScrutinizer> ohnoes
Dec 28 15:02:14 <DocScrutinizer> please have an option to disable such CPU and reel estate hogs
Dec 28 15:02:49 <MohammadAG> it's not a hog
Dec 28 15:03:36 <DocScrutinizer> whatever else it is, at very least it's sometimes quite ugly and inadequate
Dec 28 15:04:11 <DocScrutinizer> and obviously it needs a place to display the reflexion
Dec 28 15:04:47 <DocScrutinizer> usually there's better use for that space, on a 4" screen
Dec 28 15:05:19 <DocScrutinizer> but anyway. An option to disable it is easy and just fine
Dec 28 15:06:10 <alterego> pfft
Dec 28 15:06:17 <DocScrutinizer> automatically using the freed screen space for something really useful is less easy to implement
Dec 28 15:06:27 <alterego> If it looks nice and doesn't hinder usabilty. keep it :)
Dec 28 15:06:47 <alterego> Don't bother with some option to turn it off.
Dec 28 15:07:04 <alterego> Users don't care about it and I'd rather something that looked pretty tbh
Dec 28 15:07:08 <DocScrutinizer> looks nice to whom? YOU?
Dec 28 15:07:27 <MohammadAG> actually, Jaffa
Dec 28 15:07:28 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: I wouldn't guess, I've not seen it yet.
Dec 28 15:07:33 <MohammadAG> he provided the concept :P
Dec 28 15:07:36 <DocScrutinizer> I don't want to have my album cover art reflected
Dec 28 15:07:46 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: don't use this media player then :)
Dec 28 15:07:57 <alterego> MohammadAG: have you got type-to-search working yet?
Dec 28 15:08:03 <alterego> And categorisation?
Dec 28 15:08:05 <ShadowJK> heh. The album art already steals so much space the artist album and song titles don't fit :P
Dec 28 15:08:07 <MohammadAG> alterego, no
Dec 28 15:08:19 <MohammadAG> alterego, I need crashanddie to finish with Mafw source calls
Dec 28 15:08:22 <DocScrutinizer> oh yeah - "it's freeeeeeeeee!!" - Lennart your brother?
Dec 28 15:08:45 <MohammadAG> alterego, type-to-search is in Fapman though
Dec 28 15:09:07 <lcuk> MohammadAG, albumart+=effect_reflect();  if(username=='DocScrutinizer') albumart+=effect_shimmer();
Dec 28 15:09:28 <MohammadAG> LOL
Dec 28 15:09:45 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, why have a flag when you can hardcode
Dec 28 15:09:51 <DocScrutinizer> XP
Dec 28 15:10:04 <lcuk> awesome MohammadAG - he agrees to the tweak as well!
Dec 28 15:10:28 * alterego chuckles
Dec 28 15:11:02 <DocScrutinizer> s/username/groupnmae/ though
Dec 28 15:11:23 <DocScrutinizer> and here we are, another flavout of a flag
Dec 28 15:11:44 <TiagoTiago> yay it's done, running again to see if there is anything left
Dec 28 15:12:05 <DocScrutinizer> (actually even username is a flag, though a quite inappropriate one for the usecase)
Dec 28 15:12:09 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, kotzcarny has been working on some pixel effects which would make albumart extra awesome
Dec 28 15:12:37 <lcuk> dissolve effects and fades and stuff :D
Dec 28 15:12:59 <DocScrutinizer> I make my album art awesome in my own special way. I don't appreciate somebody doing it for me in a predefined way
Dec 28 15:13:24 <lcuk> it can be randomised with page curls and crumple effects and all sorts
Dec 28 15:13:38 <DocScrutinizer> Holy Shit!
Dec 28 15:13:53 <lcuk> with 16777215 different combinations, your pictures will never be shown the same way twice!
Dec 28 15:14:05 <DocScrutinizer> GREAT!!
Dec 28 15:14:12 <MohammadAG> they will, eventually
Dec 28 15:14:12 <lcuk> better and better
Dec 28 15:14:19 <lcuk> MohammadAG, shh
Dec 28 15:14:24 <DocScrutinizer> now just rename the songs randomly :P
Dec 28 15:14:38 <MohammadAG> sounds like a good idea!
Dec 28 15:14:41 <lcuk> this feature list is made of pure awesome
Dec 28 15:15:09 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, hmm, it hasn't raped startup time - yet
Dec 28 15:15:20 <lcuk> MohammadAG, in all seriousness, DocGrumpy is right, there are people who just want the data
Dec 28 15:15:21 <DocScrutinizer> add random instrument tracks to the mp3
Dec 28 15:15:39 <MohammadAG> lcuk, it's FOSS...
Dec 28 15:15:56 <DocScrutinizer> and you're Lennart
Dec 28 15:15:58 <lcuk> MohammadAG, and don't make us have to reimplement the whole damn player just to change a single feature
Dec 28 15:16:00 <TiagoTiago> now to see if the media player still has issues with the videos
Dec 28 15:16:16 <MohammadAG> lcuk, it took me less than 5 minutes to add it
Dec 28 15:16:42 <lcuk> MohammadAG, sure thing - and it could take you a whole 5 minutes to just make it a gconf key or something to check for
Dec 28 15:16:54 <DocScrutinizer> great, how long will it take me to set up the dev env to remove it in 5 sec and then recompile in 20min?
Dec 28 15:17:01 <lcuk> no need for ui yet, just make it an internal option
Dec 28 15:17:09 <TiagoTiago> "retrieving blablahblah six minutes remaining
Dec 28 15:18:39 <alterego> Aha, fixed it.
Dec 28 15:18:40 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: thanks for helping me out :-D
Dec 28 15:21:17 <TiagoTiago> be back in a bit
Dec 28 15:26:49 <DocScrutinizer> ~png
Dec 28 15:26:52 <DocScrutinizer> ~ping
Dec 28 15:27:27 <DocScrutinizer> ~ping
Dec 28 15:27:28 <apt> ~pong
Dec 28 15:35:37 <alterego> How can I make a postinst & postrm script in debian package only used in one of the packages from a single source tree?
Dec 28 15:35:43 <loft306> hmmmm ispy the wiki is up
Dec 28 15:36:00 <alterego> I have a lib, generating lib and lib-dev, but lib-dev is running my postinst and postrm scripts and it shouldn't.
Dec 28 15:38:59 <tybollt_> for android there's an app that kicks in just when a call is received and checks w/ an online source who is the owner of the number (case it is not a number in the phonebook) and shows it on the screen - is there such an app for maemo?
Dec 28 15:44:33 <Khertan_> alterego: did you mean that the postrm script is run after the update of the new version ?
Dec 28 15:44:44 <Khertan_> as i got the same problem with khweeteur :)
Dec 28 15:46:17 <alterego> Khertan_: well, I have a project, it's a shared library, my debianization creates two packages lib and lib-dev
Dec 28 15:46:28 <alterego> But the hook scripts I only want in lib.
Dec 28 15:46:59 <alterego> Not in lib-dev, but postinst and postrm are being executed for both lib and lib-dev packages. Which will screw things up if you remove lib-dev
Dec 28 15:56:55 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: nice
Dec 28 15:59:01 <alterego> Meh, fixed it.
Dec 28 16:10:06 <abhy> I was planning to buy N900 is it going to help me in Meego Development, please let me know
Dec 28 16:10:27 <SpeedEvil> yes, certainly.
Dec 28 16:10:35 <SpeedEvil> Compared to having no platform.
Dec 28 16:10:48 <SpeedEvil> The question is - will it be the most heavily developed platform.
Dec 28 16:10:55 <SpeedEvil> It's pretty much so at the moment.
Dec 28 16:11:03 <SpeedEvil> For phone anyway
Dec 28 16:11:13 <abhy> Can I make Meego apps, then wont it be restricted to only N900 and contrary N900 will not be supporting it
Dec 28 16:11:16 <SpeedEvil> but what's coming down the pipe is a different question
Dec 28 16:11:17 <MohammadAG> with the vsync SGX driver, it's kinda cool
Dec 28 16:11:24 <MohammadAG> and it's not as slow as it used to be
Dec 28 16:11:33 <MohammadAG> abhy, no
Dec 28 16:11:33 <SpeedEvil> 'Meego' apps are meant to be mostly portable
Dec 28 16:11:35 <SpeedEvil> Qt
Dec 28 16:11:37 <MohammadAG> That's the point of Qt
Dec 28 16:12:02 <SpeedEvil> You won't be able usually to simply run the binaries, but it should be a simple recompile, and screen-dimensions thing.
Dec 28 16:12:05 <SpeedEvil> Pretty much
Dec 28 16:12:09 <MohammadAG> if properly coded, you should be able to run the apps on Maemo 5, MeeGo, Windows, Linux, Mac and Symbian
Dec 28 16:12:35 <MohammadAG> (Note: Symbian might be retarded)
Dec 28 16:14:40 <abhy> okay...  thanks guys... but just one question, though its not good to ask, do you think Meego will not come up to the mark in front of Android
Dec 28 16:15:01 <MohammadAG> tbh, I think Android will fall down to the mark of it
Dec 28 16:16:24 <TiagoTiago> You shouldn't be making a program with hardcoded screen resolution nor aspect ratio
Dec 28 16:16:31 <alterego> Once MeeGo core becomes stable on the N900, it will be come what we make of it.
Dec 28 16:16:44 <alterego> Once we have full functionality, camera, gps, blah, blah.
Dec 28 16:17:01 <alterego> It's just a matter of fine tuning it and turning the ux into something we can enjoy using.
Dec 28 16:18:52 <abhy> thank you guys, will soon be joining you all
Dec 28 16:23:49 <mece> hello tharr!
Dec 28 16:24:28 <Khertan_> <SpeedEvil> 'Meego' apps are meant to be mostly portable <<< or not ... they are pushing for QML ... beurk
Dec 28 16:28:22 <MohammadAG> QML's portable afaik
Dec 28 16:29:09 <mece> qml is definately portable. well as portable as qt 4.7 I suppose.
Dec 28 16:29:32 <MaKa> what is the command to unpack a Fiasco image???
Dec 28 16:29:41 <MohammadAG> flasher-3.5 --help
Dec 28 16:29:47 <MohammadAG> (hint -u)
Dec 28 16:30:22 <MaKa> found.. thanks :)
Dec 28 16:31:20 <MaKa> installed Multiboot and i cant boot into my device..
Dec 28 16:31:29 <MaKa> nor into my MicroSD too :)
Dec 28 16:34:43 <DocScrutinizer> I really wonder what's wrong with this multiboot thing. Never looked into it, but it seems to me it's quirky, obsolete, and #1 on causing problems and making people reflash their device
Dec 28 16:35:51 <DocScrutinizer> plus its name is always called in same context as *droid
Dec 28 16:36:06 <MaKa> i shud now completely reflash or just coldflash???
Dec 28 16:36:19 <DocScrutinizer> COLDFLASH????
Dec 28 16:36:20 <mece> Maka, try flasjing just kernel
Dec 28 16:36:23 <MohammadAG> what exactly is the problem?
Dec 28 16:36:25 <mece> flashing
Dec 28 16:36:34 <Kaadlajk> I had device with nitdroid at work and only managed to flash it with flashing jig
Dec 28 16:36:42 <mece> MaKa, did you follow the instructions?
Dec 28 16:36:52 <Kaadlajk> would not try nitdroid with my own device :P
Dec 28 16:36:53 <mece> Kaadlajk, nice :)
Dec 28 16:37:00 <MohammadAG> umm
Dec 28 16:37:08 <MohammadAG> nitdroid doesn't touch the bootloader
Dec 28 16:37:08 <MaKa> i actually tried this multiboot thing not for nitroid,but for MeeGo :P
Dec 28 16:37:24 <MohammadAG> multiboot for MeeGo is a bad decision
Dec 28 16:37:27 <mece> why would you try nitdroid? Isn't that some stripped phone os?
Dec 28 16:37:36 <MaKa> was using MeeGo with bootmenu-n900 and was working fine..
Dec 28 16:37:38 <mece> multiboot for meego works perfectly.
Dec 28 16:37:43 <MohammadAG> they got uBoot working for a reason
Dec 28 16:37:50 <mece> erm
Dec 28 16:37:53 <mece> right
Dec 28 16:37:55 <MaKa> tried with multiboot, and am dumbstruck..
Dec 28 16:37:55 <mece> I meant uboot
Dec 28 16:38:11 * DocScrutinizer recalls some wikipage where coldflashing was mentioned, completely misleading about its purpose, among other random bogus instructions.
Dec 28 16:38:13 <MaKa> ya i understand..
Dec 28 16:38:28 <mece> I thought we were talking about uboot this whole time *bonk self*
Dec 28 16:38:47 <MaKa> but multiboot shud show the list of native kernel atleast if not the MicroSD kernel..
Dec 28 16:39:11 <MaKa> there is no OS listed in the list..
Dec 28 16:39:25 <mece> bummer
Dec 28 16:39:57 <MaKa> when pressed '0',
Dec 28 16:40:11 <DocScrutinizer> screw multiboot
Dec 28 16:40:15 <MaKa> it says,can't flash kernel,required files not found
Dec 28 16:40:22 <MaKa> Guru meditation#00000025.62017712
Dec 28 16:40:32 <MaKa> also says hit any key to panic.. :(
Dec 28 16:40:59 <MaKa> how do i identify the kernel image for this device without opening its back cover now
Dec 28 16:41:08 <MaKa> ?
Dec 28 16:41:16 <DocScrutinizer> friggin multiboot is reflashing your kernel on every boot (as judging by above error msg) which CERTAINLY is a thing you should NOT do
Dec 28 16:41:17 <mece> AmigaOS?
Dec 28 16:41:39 <mece> haven't seen guru meditation since the 80ies
Dec 28 16:41:44 <satmd> same here
Dec 28 16:42:18 <MaKa> but i never knew this multiboot installation wud bring this error :(
Dec 28 16:42:24 <mece> is the guru meditation message in a box with a red border?
Dec 28 16:42:31 <MaKa> just installed it,rebooted and am hung here :(
Dec 28 16:42:35 <mece> damn
Dec 28 16:42:35 <MaKa> yep..
Dec 28 16:42:41 <mece> wait what? it is?
Dec 28 16:42:47 <MaKa> yes..
Dec 28 16:42:57 <MaKa> red box like a teaser msg :(
Dec 28 16:43:06 <MohammadAG> <MaKa> was using MeeGo with bootmenu-n900 and was working fine..
Dec 28 16:43:09 <MohammadAG> uhh
Dec 28 16:43:10 <DocScrutinizer> forget multiboot!
Dec 28 16:43:18 <MohammadAG> You have 2.6.35 for Maemo 5?
Dec 28 16:43:18 <mece> like this: http://haftbar.de/wp-content/guru-meditation_error.gif
Dec 28 16:43:37 <MaKa> 2.6.28?!?!?!
Dec 28 16:43:54 <MaKa> same as that image...
Dec 28 16:44:03 <mece> O.O
Dec 28 16:44:13 <MaKa> with the msg on the top changed to "can't flash kernel,required files not found"
Dec 28 16:44:23 <mece> :D
Dec 28 16:44:31 <MohammadAG> Well, if you have 2.6.28, MeeGo won't work, so it obviously wasn't working properly with bootmenu
Dec 28 16:44:42 <MohammadAG> Just use flasher-3.5 -k zImage -f -R
Dec 28 16:44:56 <DocScrutinizer> MaKa: you are aware of the true implications of what it says it's (not) doing there?
Dec 28 16:44:56 <MohammadAG> assuming you unpacked the zImage to .
Dec 28 16:45:15 <MaKa> yes MohammedAG
Dec 28 16:45:18 <MaKa> doing it..
Dec 28 16:46:05 <MaKa> Not exactly Doc
Dec 28 16:46:37 <MohammadAG> also, you can complete nicknames using tab
Dec 28 16:46:39 <mece> this guru meditation thing is a joke, right?
Dec 28 16:46:57 <MohammadAG> mece, it's the way multiboot handles error numbers
Dec 28 16:47:00 <DocScrutinizer> you are (multiboot is) *flashing* your kernel on boot. Flashing wears NAND, and is generally a thing you don't want to do in the field.
Dec 28 16:47:20 <mece> MohammadAG, yeah, it's still a joke though. Or a pun or whatever you call it.
Dec 28 16:47:26 <DocScrutinizer> generally speaking flashing kernels is dangerous
Dec 28 16:47:33 <mece> retro cleverlry
Dec 28 16:48:00 <MohammadAG> Jay-C had a nat/nokia cloak
Dec 28 16:48:20 <MohammadAG> multiboot was written by a Nokia employee
Dec 28 16:48:36 <MaKa> Ya,but i remember reading somewhere That NAND wears is still lesser than what we do with the normal HDD so it can be negligible..
Dec 28 16:48:55 <MaKa> Kernel image boot failure MohammedAG
Dec 28 16:48:55 <MaKa> :(
Dec 28 16:49:28 <DocScrutinizer> flashing a kernel or (for mainboards) a BIOS isn't anything you do on the fly
Dec 28 16:49:30 <MohammadAG> that's not an error I've heard of
Dec 28 16:49:34 <MohammadAG> hit 0
Dec 28 16:50:04 <DocScrutinizer> MEH
Dec 28 16:50:10 <DocScrutinizer> use uBoot
Dec 28 16:50:36 <DocScrutinizer> multiboot, what a clever sick hack
Dec 28 16:50:45 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, multiboot hooks onto preinit, flashing uBoot won't help since this is loaded before it
Dec 28 16:51:01 <DocScrutinizer> what?
Dec 28 16:51:09 <MohammadAG> hmm
Dec 28 16:51:11 <MohammadAG> actually
Dec 28 16:51:38 <DocScrutinizer> to get rid of multiboot there's of course no use in flashing uBoot
Dec 28 16:52:04 <mece> so it fails before kernel is loaded?
Dec 28 16:52:07 <MohammadAG> ah
Dec 28 16:52:17 <MohammadAG> it makes /sbin/preinit_orig
Dec 28 16:52:17 <mece> I mean
Dec 28 16:52:18 <mece> erm
Dec 28 16:52:27 * MohammadAG thinks he knows of a way
Dec 28 16:52:32 <MaKa> MohammadAG:
Dec 28 16:52:37 <MaKa> MohammadAG: Done :)
Dec 28 16:52:39 <DocScrutinizer> except with uBoot you *could* still boot up the non-fubar'd OS and fix the one infected by multiboot preinit hook
Dec 28 16:52:42 <MaKa> mece: thanks:)
Dec 28 16:52:43 <mece> boot some os fro microsd card
Dec 28 16:53:00 <MohammadAG> "init=/sbin/preinit_orig ubi.mtd=rootfs root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rootflags=bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc rw console=ttyMTD,log console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6"
Dec 28 16:53:02 <mece> like meego :)
Dec 28 16:53:17 <MohammadAG> flasher-3.5 -k zImage -l --boot="init=/sbin/preinit_orig ubi.mtd=rootfs root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rootflags=bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc rw console=ttyMTD,log console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6"
Dec 28 16:53:26 <MohammadAG> that should override multiboot
Dec 28 16:53:28 <mece> MohammadAG, oo :D
Dec 28 16:53:39 <mece> MohammadAG, that's actually pretty brilliant
Dec 28 16:54:02 <MohammadAG> it's a modified stock kernel CMDLINE :P
Dec 28 16:54:17 <MaKa> now removing this multiboot shud get me rid of this problem right?
Dec 28 16:54:24 <MohammadAG> yeah
Dec 28 16:55:00 <DocScrutinizer> mece: that's not brilliant, that's obvious. Getting the parameters right is brilliant, but we still wait to see that :-D
Dec 28 16:55:19 <mece> DocScrutinizer, I'm just assuming they're correct :)
Dec 28 16:55:27 <MohammadAG> they are ;)
Dec 28 16:55:32 <mece> haha
Dec 28 16:56:57 <DocScrutinizer> you're still on your own to get rid of multiboot, after that. I suggest for a first measure you cp /sbin/preinit_orig /sbin/preinit
Dec 28 16:57:21 <MaKa> So MohammadAG, DocScrutinizer , uBoot is ur suggestion?
Dec 28 16:57:34 <luke-jr> MohammadAG: flasher's --boot thing doesn't work fyi
Dec 28 16:57:44 <DocScrutinizer> is my alternative to using multiboot which is crap
Dec 28 16:57:46 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, multiboot does that in postrm
Dec 28 16:57:52 <MohammadAG> luke-jr, it does, FYI
Dec 28 16:57:57 <luke-jr> MohammadAG: nope, I tried many times
Dec 28 16:58:04 <MohammadAG> you fail then :P
Dec 28 16:58:10 <MohammadAG> I use it to boot MeeGo from the eMMC
Dec 28 16:58:16 <MohammadAG> so obviously, it does work
Dec 28 16:59:06 <MohammadAG> luke-jr, you might be forgetting to escape spaces or wrap it with ""
Dec 28 16:59:08 <MaKa> MohammadAG: Correction,I used -f <image> -l -b to boot the MeeGo :p and so that was no part bootmenu-n900 does in it :P
Dec 28 16:59:13 <MohammadAG> but it does work, I'm sure of it
Dec 28 16:59:15 <MaKa> wrong understanding :P
Dec 28 16:59:22 <luke-jr> MohammadAG: maybe it was fixed in 3.5
Dec 28 16:59:30 <luke-jr> I only have 3.0 (last 64-bit ver)
Dec 28 16:59:39 * MohammadAG uses 3.5 on 64-bit
Dec 28 16:59:46 <luke-jr> where do you get 64-bit 3.5
Dec 28 16:59:48 <luke-jr> ?
Dec 28 17:00:00 <MohammadAG> you don't, --force-architecture and get ia32-libs ;)
Dec 28 17:00:08 <luke-jr> then you're not using it on 64-bit
Dec 28 17:00:10 <MohammadAG> unless you're using windows
Dec 28 17:00:22 <luke-jr> that's hybrid 32/64 bloat
Dec 28 17:00:42 <DocScrutinizer> pleeeease not this again
Dec 28 17:00:58 <MohammadAG> hey, it works for me :)
Dec 28 17:01:58 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: for luke-jr Qt is no c++ but a new language. And linux with a custom driver no linux. And flasher with ia32 libs not running on 64bit
Dec 28 17:03:34 * DocScrutinizer wonders what's an app running under wine for luke-jr
Dec 28 17:03:44 <luke-jr> a Windows app ofc
Dec 28 17:03:56 <MaKa> Does MeeGo work functionally fine??
Dec 28 17:04:25 <DocScrutinizer> I heard of nobody using it on N900 for a daily phone
Dec 28 17:04:26 <MaKa> I mean in terms of call and sms and Internet?
Dec 28 17:04:50 <MaKa> The same with NiTDroid?
Dec 28 17:05:47 <DocScrutinizer> nice toys for developers
Dec 28 17:06:07 <alterego> Failed to fetch http://stage/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/libr/librxsupport/librxsupport_0.1.0-3_armel.deb  Size mismatch
Dec 28 17:06:08 <MohammadAG> calling works
Dec 28 17:06:11 <alterego> Any ideas?
Dec 28 17:06:13 <MohammadAG> and SMS receiving works
Dec 28 17:06:19 <MaKa> but i found it not working..
Dec 28 17:06:22 <DocScrutinizer> and if I wanted a android phone then I'd not have bought an N900
Dec 28 17:06:28 <MohammadAG> alterego, wait 5 mins, it might recreate the index
Dec 28 17:06:33 <MaKa> It just remained in flight mode..
Dec 28 17:06:39 <MohammadAG> pin code?
Dec 28 17:06:41 <MaKa> i cudnt detect the signat even..
Dec 28 17:07:17 <MohammadAG> again, got a pin code?
Dec 28 17:08:17 <MaKa> pin code?? asking me??
Dec 28 17:09:36 <Spookje> do you have a pin code on your sim? did you enter it correctly? if not, you remain in flight mode..
Dec 28 17:09:57 <MaKa> oh..
Dec 28 17:10:01 <MaKa> i never knew this..
Dec 28 17:10:15 <MaKa> but where does meego ask for the pincode?
Dec 28 17:10:27 <Spookje> dunno
Dec 28 17:11:26 <nox-> afaik by default its configured not to ask
Dec 28 17:11:39 <nox-> but you can change that, `somewhere'...
Dec 28 17:12:09 <nox-> err sorry i meant maemo haha
Dec 28 17:12:20 <MohammadAG> MaKa, it doesn't
Dec 28 17:12:27 <MohammadAG> MaKa, so you have to get rid of it
Dec 28 17:15:05 <MaKa> Any idea how to add more user profiles in n900 other than general and silent?
Dec 28 17:17:05 <Spookje> with tweakr for example.....
Dec 28 17:17:13 <MohammadAG> profilex or something
Dec 28 17:17:15 <Spookje> took me a whole second to google that btw
Dec 28 17:17:42 <MaKa> MaKa is :P lazy bum :D
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Dec 28 17:28:47 <yasha> did somebody try already the injection patches?
Dec 28 17:31:10 <DocW> Anyone know how to change default search engine for Opera on the N900?
Dec 28 17:53:05 <trumee> no cli ftp client in N900?
Dec 28 17:53:47 <yacc> trumee, ncftp?
Dec 28 17:54:25 <trumee> yacc: that would it be nice, is that in extras-devel?
Dec 28 17:54:25 <yacc> n900ftp?
Dec 28 17:54:38 <yacc> trumee, guess so, I've got devel enabled.
Dec 28 17:54:50 <yacc> And automatic upgrade lookup disabled ;)
Dec 28 17:55:19 <trumee> yacc: thanks, i will install ncftp
Dec 28 17:55:36 <piggz> oh yeah! http://www.piggz.co.uk/kexi/mobile-report-1.png
Dec 28 17:56:07 <MohammadAG> ftp?
Dec 28 17:58:12 <yasha> anybody checked out the injection patches?
Dec 28 18:06:10 <DocScrutinizer> trumee: mc
Dec 28 18:06:32 <trx> im trying to connect a usb wireless adapter to n900
Dec 28 18:06:36 <DocScrutinizer> well, not exactly 'cmdline' :-)
Dec 28 18:06:47 <trx> im using an active hub
Dec 28 18:06:52 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: ncftp is the perfect cli ftp client
Dec 28 18:07:04 <DocScrutinizer> mhm
Dec 28 18:07:12 <DocScrutinizer> I'm happy with mc
Dec 28 18:07:21 <trx> and the device is there if i check with dmesg
Dec 28 18:07:34 <trx> but there is no wlan0 interface
Dec 28 18:07:43 <DocScrutinizer> trx: lsusb
Dec 28 18:07:58 <Sicelo> trx: tried ifconfig -a?
Dec 28 18:08:14 <DocScrutinizer> trx: and of course you'll need the matching drivers for that dongle
Dec 28 18:09:14 <trx> lsb usb can see both the hub and the device
Dec 28 18:09:15 <DocScrutinizer> trx: also what means "the device is there if i check with dmesg"? What exactly is there?
Dec 28 18:09:21 <trx> atheros based device tho
Dec 28 18:09:25 <MohammadAG> well
Dec 28 18:09:28 <MohammadAG> that's uboot gone
Dec 28 18:09:30 * MohammadAG grumbles
Dec 28 18:09:31 <trumee> is it possible for N900 to become a bluetooth audio receiver, ie it plays the audio broadcasted by TomTom bluetooth?
Dec 28 18:09:32 <trx> lsusb*
Dec 28 18:09:51 <trx> DocScrutinizer it displays the informations about the device
Dec 28 18:09:56 <trx> hmm\
Dec 28 18:10:02 <trx> some errors too
Dec 28 18:10:07 * trumee dont know what is it called in terms of bluetooth profile
Dec 28 18:10:11 <trx> would you be willing to take a look?
Dec 28 18:10:26 <DocScrutinizer> trx: if that's USB messages in dmesg then it doesn't mean a lot
Dec 28 18:10:44 <DocScrutinizer> you'd need the proper kernel driver to handle the WLAN dongle
Dec 28 18:11:34 <DocScrutinizer> I'd not expect maemo to ship that driver by default
Dec 28 18:11:35 <trx> hmm, i taught that linux would have the drivers for tp-link's atheros based adapter
Dec 28 18:11:54 <trx> so, its prolly the drivers?
Dec 28 18:12:01 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Dec 28 18:12:11 <trx> how can i check that?
Dec 28 18:12:38 <DocScrutinizer> you need to modprobe the correct driver for the 'card' (usually that's done automatically by udev or sth)
Dec 28 18:12:48 <trx> note that i tried usb ethernet adapter, god knows what brand it is
Dec 28 18:12:55 <trx> and it works, guess im lucky :)
Dec 28 18:13:34 <DocScrutinizer> trx: easiest way is to plug the dongle to a PC where it should work, then find out which driver it is using
Dec 28 18:14:03 <trx> yeah
Dec 28 18:14:08 <trx> ill try and do that
Dec 28 18:14:26 <DocScrutinizer> then see if you can find or compile that driver for maemo
Dec 28 18:15:45 <DocScrutinizer> or you use google with the VID and PID of lsusb and find info about that driver's name
Dec 28 18:16:15 <trx> ill try that too
Dec 28 18:16:17 <trx> thank you
Dec 28 18:16:20 <DocScrutinizer> yw
Dec 28 18:16:23 <DocScrutinizer> o/
Dec 28 18:18:04 <Arkenoi> trx: are you trying to find a driver with injection working out of the box?
Dec 28 18:19:01 <RST38h> Good evening, gentlemen
Dec 28 18:19:33 <trx> any driver will do, i just need the adapter to work
Dec 28 18:20:33 <GAN900> RST38h, yo.
Dec 28 18:21:05 <GAN900> The N9 rumor mill really isn't a happy one these days, is it?
Dec 28 18:21:49 <DocScrutinizer> ??
Dec 28 18:22:38 <RST38h> GAN: No, it is not.
Dec 28 18:28:01 <Jaffa> GAN900: There are new ones? Of use?
Dec 28 18:28:35 <yasha> any of you guys tried the new injection patches??
Dec 28 18:28:35 <Jaffa> GAN900: See the meego-* email from a Nokian about Flash, homescreen widgets etc?
Dec 28 18:28:56 <lcuk2> Jaffa, link?
Dec 28 18:29:37 <Jaffa> lcuk2: trying to find it
Dec 28 18:29:45 <lcuk2> coolio
Dec 28 18:30:38 <jacekowski> flash sucks
Dec 28 18:30:42 <Arkenoi> are they nuts?
Dec 28 18:32:19 <Jaffa> lcuk: In the "PCWorld" thread on meego-community
Dec 28 18:32:47 <lcuk> ta jaffa
Dec 28 18:33:38 <Jaffa> lcuk: Search for "interestingly Marko Ahtisaari talks about having customisable"
Dec 28 18:33:48 <lcuk> yeah i have it its ok \o
Dec 28 18:33:56 <RST38h> gyfvutgy]'tdxrbgbn v?
Dec 28 18:34:04 <Jaffa> lcuk: There're references to "Dali" which I don't understand tho'
Dec 28 18:34:12 <Jaffa> So it could mean something else
Dec 28 18:34:14 <_trine> can I ask if it allowed for a person to charge for linux source code ?
Dec 28 18:34:49 <_trine> I was thinking about the wl1251 wifi drivers
Dec 28 18:35:02 <Jaffa> _trine: Only for media and P&P, i.e. "reasonable"
Dec 28 18:35:22 <_trine> well is this ok :- http://david.gnedt.eu/blog/wl1251/
Dec 28 18:35:26 <GAN900> Jaffa, one would assume hardware codename.
Dec 28 18:35:27 * alterego starts thinking of a new icon for Columbus
Dec 28 18:36:29 <Jaffa> GA	One would
Dec 28 18:36:53 <Jaffa> GAN900: One would
Dec 28 18:37:03 <GAN900> Jaffa, googling around turns up N9 pictures
Dec 28 18:38:08 <MohammadAG> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67371
Dec 28 18:38:15 <MohammadAG> @ Jaffa GAN900
Dec 28 18:38:48 <DocScrutinizer> _trine: this is perfectly allowable
Dec 28 18:39:39 <_trine> DocScrutinizer: ok but I thought source code had to be free but I'm no linux expert
Dec 28 18:39:47 <MohammadAG> mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~/wl1251-maemo/patches$ cat `find -name *patch | grep patch` | wc -l
Dec 28 18:39:47 <MohammadAG> 2787
Dec 28 18:40:06 <DocScrutinizer> in fact you can charge whatever you want for sourcecode for linux that you have written yourself
Dec 28 18:40:07 <MohammadAG> it's understandable
Dec 28 18:40:24 <_trine> ok thanks
Dec 28 18:41:30 <DocScrutinizer> you mustn't charge for sourcecode that others have written though - also if it's only parts or derived work
Dec 28 18:42:33 <DocScrutinizer> yet you can charge for *providing* the sourcecode. That's what e.g. Suse linux did for long time with their CD/DVD based distros
Dec 28 18:42:38 <alterego> MohammadAG: and divide that line count by four and you probably get his actual contribution :P
Dec 28 18:43:01 <MohammadAG> mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~/wl1251-maemo/patches$ cat `find -name *patch` | grep + | wc -l
Dec 28 18:43:03 <MohammadAG> 1288
Dec 28 18:43:18 <alterego> :)
Dec 28 18:43:20 <_trine> it seems like these people are having 2 bites at the cherry first it was neopwn everyone was asked to donate to then apparently because the neopwn person didn't pay the developer the developer wants more donations now
Dec 28 18:43:36 <MohammadAG> hmm
Dec 28 18:43:52 <MohammadAG> mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~/wl1251-maemo/patches$ cat `find -name *patch` | grep \+ | grep -v +++ | wc -l
Dec 28 18:43:55 <MohammadAG> 1180
Dec 28 18:43:55 <MohammadAG> alterego, ^
Dec 28 18:44:13 <alterego> Yes, I saw :P
Dec 28 18:45:21 * yacc wonders if MeeGo binaries will also run on Maemo? If so, there might be hope to get a fully working Ovimaps on the n900 ;)
Dec 28 18:46:20 <lcuk> yacc, maybe in time - have you looked at cloudgps by the way? :) its surprisingly slick
Dec 28 18:47:02 <alterego> Oh, forgot you can't start hildon home in scratchbox arm target
Dec 28 18:47:23 <ShadowJK> yacc: apparently ovi maps is browser plugins and a shitload of javascript
Dec 28 18:48:01 <DocScrutinizer> _trine: so what?
Dec 28 18:48:29 <_trine> DocScrutinizer: is that a question ?
Dec 28 18:48:34 <DocScrutinizer> _trine: do you think it'd be better he rm wl1251/* and dummy up?
Dec 28 18:49:09 <_trine> DocScrutinizer: clam down your English is not understandable
Dec 28 18:49:26 <yacc> ShadowJK, well, perhaps, does not matter to me, but it's basically slow to start up, and does not provide full navigation, basically slightly worse than google maps was in Android 1.0, ...
Dec 28 18:50:28 <DocScrutinizer> do you prefer the student that developed a nice driver for WL1251 - which was a lot of work for him - just discards all that because the customer that ordered that work at him didn't pay?
Dec 28 18:51:22 <_trine> DocScrutinizer: if he sold something then didn't get paid for it why should he be able to sell it twice when others have already paid towards it
Dec 28 18:51:34 <DocScrutinizer> hell, he's asking for a *donation* - and you are free to donate as little as 1 ct
Dec 28 18:51:50 <_trine> DocScrutinizer: i doubt that
Dec 28 18:52:24 <_trine> anyway I was only asking the question I don't want to get into a debate
Dec 28 18:52:29 <DocScrutinizer> I doubt you have any means to force him to serve you for free
Dec 28 18:52:59 <_trine> I am not a linux person really so I really honestly didn't know
Dec 28 18:53:09 <yacc> Nice, managed to make pcsuite mode to startup even the vncclient on my desktop :)
Dec 28 18:53:27 <DocScrutinizer> And I think he deserves some donation, as he didn't do anything odd as far as I can tell
Dec 28 18:54:11 <yacc> _trine, actually, you can donate 1€, and then setup your own site and allow free download if you like, that's how the GPL works, ..
Dec 28 18:54:30 <yasha> I lost the n900 icon in the desktop after flashing
Dec 28 18:54:44 <_trine> yacc I would not want to do that
Dec 28 18:54:50 <yasha> where can I get it back?
Dec 28 18:54:52 <yacc> He basically asks for a donation for the priviledge of delivering the stuff to you.
Dec 28 18:54:53 <DocScrutinizer> you for sure can't argue against hosting costing money, and he's free to ask for refund of that expense, even if the work hosted wasn't any bit of his own work
Dec 28 18:55:32 <yacc> _trine, yeah, probably not overly nice, but that's the "self-governing" that the GPL forces.
Dec 28 18:56:45 <yacc> _trine, if the guy gets naughty and asks for brash stuff, anybody can "undercut" him.
Dec 28 18:57:29 <lcuk> not quite anybody  somebody who has the driver themselves...
Dec 28 18:57:34 <yasha> did you use the driver already??
Dec 28 18:59:35 <lcuk> yasha, if he supplied a paper printed document along with source code on cd delivered to your house would you pay more?
Dec 28 19:00:08 <yacc> lcuk, yeah, but basically it's a simple fix, you can ask rather unreasonable fees for GPL code, but if you do so extremely, you can do probably only a small number of times, ...
Dec 28 19:00:27 <lcuk> yacc, depends
Dec 28 19:00:44 <lcuk> its quite obvious this code manages something people want
Dec 28 19:00:56 <lcuk> and its not at a point of being generally available
Dec 28 19:01:26 <lcuk> and tbh as long as he is actually honouring the license then more power to him
Dec 28 19:01:36 <RST38h> yacc: You do not get money for GPLed code.
Dec 28 19:01:53 <RST38h> yacc: In fact, you do not even getmoney for supporting GPLed code, most of the time
Dec 28 19:02:33 <yasha> did somebody tried already?
Dec 28 19:04:30 <MohammadAG> how about refreshing the thread, you asked about 5 times here already
Dec 28 19:04:34 <MohammadAG> and yes it works
Dec 28 19:05:06 <yasha> I also think he should get some donations
Dec 28 19:05:35 <yacc> yeah, asking for donations is quite reasonable, considering that it's not exactly mainstream appealing code, ...
Dec 28 19:05:57 <yacc> it's a niche product for a product that is not really mainstream by itself (the n900).
Dec 28 19:06:13 <yasha> nobody give me an answer Moha
Dec 28 19:06:58 <yasha> now I know
Dec 28 19:07:01 <yasha> thanks
Dec 28 19:07:26 <yasha> I'll give him a donation
Dec 28 19:07:55 <yasha> is just funny that took so long to somebody to code that stuff
Dec 28 19:08:35 <MohammadAG> it's been available since neopwn was released, but it was closed source (and licensed under the GPL...(
Dec 28 19:08:40 <MohammadAG> )*
Dec 28 19:09:47 <yasha> any way
Dec 28 19:15:30 <rysiek|pl> guys, is there a way to *completely* erase *all* data (contacts, sms, etc) from the simcard in an n900?
Dec 28 19:15:41 <pupnik> fire
Dec 28 19:22:46 <yacc> rysiek|pl, why the sim card?
Dec 28 19:23:10 <lcuk> rysiek|pl, what about the other information on it?
Dec 28 19:23:18 <lcuk> ie its real actual phone number and stuff
Dec 28 19:23:22 <yacc> rysiek|pl, modern mobiles, including the n900 basically do not store anything on the SIM, ...
Dec 28 19:23:24 <lcuk> do you want to erase that too?
Dec 28 19:23:52 <yacc> rysiek|pl, SMS are also usually automatically pulled from the SIM to the phone, as the SIM has only a limited number of buffer slots, ...
Dec 28 19:24:58 * GAN900 ate way too much cheeseburger.
Dec 28 19:36:20 <DocScrutinizer> ROAARR cheeezburger.
Dec 28 19:38:03 <DocScrutinizer> (slots)...like some 8
Dec 28 19:38:39 <DocScrutinizer> you could try if pnatd would play nice with Kandy or gnokii
Dec 28 19:39:17 <DocScrutinizer> or would accept direct ATcmds even to erase contacts and SMS storage
Dec 28 19:40:49 <DocScrutinizer> for the *complete* erase there's probably another even better method than fire: hard X-ray
Dec 28 19:41:08 <DocScrutinizer> reliably erases all types of flash memory
Dec 28 19:41:45 <nox-> baseband security talk in saal2 btw
Dec 28 19:42:06 <DocScrutinizer> damn, I was about to head out for dinner
Dec 28 19:42:17 <nox-> heh
Dec 28 19:42:36 <DocScrutinizer> every 7 days I need some food
Dec 28 19:43:06 <pupnik> eating bad really isn't good
Dec 28 19:44:25 <DocScrutinizer> meh, nothing new there. Can read up the sum-up later, or watch the video
Dec 28 19:44:38 <nox-> the new stuff is later i think
Dec 28 19:45:10 <rysiek|pl> yacc, lcuk: the n900 is my own; the SIM card is my employer's; now I got a new SIM (and a new number) and am supposed to return the old SIM, so I want to delete all my personal and whatnot info on the SIM to be returned
Dec 28 19:45:35 <yacc> rysiek|pl, there is basically no personal data on the SIM card.
Dec 28 19:45:46 <yacc> rysiek|pl, the n900 does not store any contact data on the SIM.
Dec 28 19:46:00 <yacc> rysiek|pl, modern phones for the last decade have not done that.
Dec 28 19:46:00 <rysiek|pl> rysiek|pl: the SIM card was previously used with a different phone
Dec 28 19:46:07 <rysiek|pl> arghs
Dec 28 19:46:40 <rysiek|pl> yacc: there are personal info (contacts at the very least) on the SIM card, it has been used with different phones
Dec 28 19:46:59 <yacc> rysiek|pl, did the last phone use a Name:/Surname:/Email:/... schema? If so it did not store the stuff on the SIM card, as the contacts on the SIM are a simple text string for "name" and one phone number per contact.
Dec 28 19:47:23 <yacc> rysiek|pl, well, the n900 does not care for the contacts on the SIM card, I'd guess.
Dec 28 19:47:39 <rysiek|pl> yacc: could you please just get over the fact that yes there ARE personal contacts on this very sim card?
Dec 28 19:47:43 <DocScrutinizer> wow Human Body Model surge test: 5mm spark on trying to unplug USB charger from N900. Still alive (both :-D)
Dec 28 19:48:34 <rysiek|pl> yacc: I can put this sim card to another phone and "import" the data to the address book there. that would suggest that the info is on the SIM card, wouldn't you agree?
Dec 28 19:48:37 <yacc> rysiek|pl, could you get over the fact that the n900 does not access the contacts at all, hence no standard program will be able to modify/delete them?
Dec 28 19:49:01 <rysiek|pl> yacc: well, had you answered directly before I would not bother you anymore :)
Dec 28 19:49:23 <rysiek|pl> yacc: and yes, n900 accesses the contacts - the "Import" feature of the Contacts app ;)
Dec 28 19:49:36 <yacc> rysiek|pl, in theory perhaps the pnatd thing can access the contacts via AT commands, ...
Dec 28 19:49:58 <rysiek|pl> yacc: well, the "import from sim" went fine last time, so apparently it does work
Dec 28 19:50:07 <yacc> rysiek|pl, well, it never offered me to import the SIM numbers ;)
Dec 28 19:50:15 <nox-> now `where to look for bugs'
Dec 28 19:50:17 <DocScrutinizer> rysiek|pl: could you please just get over the fact that N900 didn't store these contacts and has no way to delete them either
Dec 28 19:50:35 <yacc> rysiek|pl, my contacts app has no import command, wonder why?
Dec 28 19:50:55 <rysiek|pl> DocScrutinizer: already got over that, as soon as somebody did actually directly answer the question, thanks :)
Dec 28 19:51:05 <rysiek|pl> yacc: gimme a sec, my n900 is booting
Dec 28 19:51:11 <yacc> Ah, the German localization is crazy, "pulling contacts", ...
Dec 28 19:51:19 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-12-28 20:35:59] <DocScrutinizer> you could try if pnatd would play nice with Kandy or gnokii
Dec 28 19:51:20 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-12-28 20:36:36] <DocScrutinizer> or would accept direct ATcmds even to erase contacts and SMS storage
Dec 28 19:51:22 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-12-28 20:38:08] <DocScrutinizer> for the *complete* erase there's probably another even better method than fire: hard X-ray
Dec 28 19:51:42 <yacc> DocScrutinizer: Well, he is returning the SIM card, ....
Dec 28 19:51:51 <rysiek|pl> DocScrutinizer: sorry, didn't notice your answers
Dec 28 19:52:00 <yacc> DocScrutinizer: Wonder what would happen if he puts it for say 30 seconds into a microwave, ...
Dec 28 19:52:15 <rysiek|pl> DocScrutinizer: makes sense; but the SIM has to be operational (otherwise I would just shred it)
Dec 28 19:52:23 <yacc> DocScrutinizer: You know, SIM cards go bad at the most curious moments, e.g. when he pulled it from his phone to return it :)
Dec 28 19:52:36 <rysiek|pl> yacc: fire up the Contacts app; tap the menu/top bar
Dec 28 19:52:38 <yacc> rysiek|pl, well, shred => it's visibly dead. ;)
Dec 28 19:52:56 <rysiek|pl> yacc: yes. as I said, if I didn't have to return it
Dec 28 19:52:58 <yacc> rysiek|pl, I found it, but it only offers import, no export, hence no way to modify SIM contacts.
Dec 28 19:53:05 <rysiek|pl> yacc: yup
Dec 28 19:53:26 <yacc> rysiek|pl, well, the question is, why does it need to work?
Dec 28 19:53:50 <yacc> rysiek|pl, why couldn't it just fail the day you return it, you know SIM cards have been known to go bad at the most curious times, ...
Dec 28 19:54:12 <yacc> rysiek|pl, that's why carriers need to replace SIM cards from time to time, happened to me once or twice before, ...
Dec 28 19:54:27 <rysiek|pl> yacc: I work in a mobile platforms R&D lab at Warsaw Uni of Tech., founded by the largest polish mobile provider
Dec 28 19:54:36 <rysiek|pl> yacc: let's just say I won't play those games ;)
Dec 28 19:54:41 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.google.de/products/catalog?q=sim+card+reader&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=14448386460291042186&ei=uT8aTc_HApO7hAeWgoW3Dg&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=image&resnum=5&ved=0CDkQ8gIwBA#
Dec 28 19:55:53 <yacc> rysiek|pl, then you should know the AT commands by heart, start pnatd and see if it can modify the SIM content that way ;)
Dec 28 19:56:13 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
Dec 28 19:56:18 * yacc hates dumb mobiles, or to be more specific guessing around what mencoder parameters I need.
Dec 28 19:56:31 <rysiek|pl> yacc: I'm a sysadmin, so while I am able to write a chat script from memory I am not familiar with all AT commands ;)
Dec 28 19:56:41 <yacc> DocScrutinizer: There has been a time when I would know them by heart, but that's about a decade ago ;)
Dec 28 19:56:52 <DocScrutinizer> 2 years
Dec 28 19:57:03 <DocScrutinizer> kandy has them all, nicely listed
Dec 28 19:59:24 <yacc> Let's see if the dumb Samsung Star of my daughter can play videos encoded for an ipod, ...
Dec 28 20:00:49 <nox-> have a link DocScrutinizer? :)
Dec 28 20:01:31 <rysiek|pl> is kandy still supported and under development? I thought the project died
Dec 28 20:04:27 <epp> I just ordered my n900 off ebay!
Dec 28 20:05:08 <pupnik> how much
Dec 28 20:05:31 <rysiek|pl> oone, I suppose.
Dec 28 20:05:34 <rysiek|pl> ;
Dec 28 20:05:36 <rysiek|pl> ;)
Dec 28 20:06:22 <pupnik> i recall mercedes had this product policy similar to nokia
Dec 28 20:06:23 <noobmonk3y> ooo i'm intruiged how much they are too ;)
Dec 28 20:06:29 <pupnik> design one car and sell it for ten years
Dec 28 20:06:57 <pupnik> at least that's how the maemo branch of the business was handled
Dec 28 20:09:05 <yacc> pupnik, what's wrong with this? The N900 looks quite okay compared to modern Android mobiles, ...
Dec 28 20:09:24 <yacc> pupnik, the only thing that will be a problem at some point is the 256MB RAM thing, ...
Dec 28 20:11:46 <DocScrutinizer51> http://www.easylinux.de/Artikel/ausgabe/2004/04/026-kandy/ sorry I guess it's discontinued since kde4
Dec 28 20:13:15 <pupnik> yacc: i really don't understand selling phones, but as a nerd i'd enjoy seeing incremental improvements / variants
Dec 28 20:15:59 <yacc> Ah, one step forward, two to the side, now that %$§& says something like "unsupported format or bitrate over" (it gets cut off before telling what the allowed bitrate might be), ...
Dec 28 20:18:17 <yacc> Why, why, stupid Samsung insists on using their own OS instead of a sensible Android (even without the Google apps as the low end phones don't meet Google's requirements), ...
Dec 28 20:19:35 <yacc> sigh, my life was so much easier without females at home, ...
Dec 28 20:21:58 <epp> rysiek|pl, 370 USD
Dec 28 20:25:09 <nox-> o_O  gsm modules in cars directly connected to canbus...
Dec 28 20:26:18 <epp> cannibus
Dec 28 20:26:30 <yacc> nox-, canbus is probably not the one you want ;)
Dec 28 20:26:51 <nox-> well thats what he mentioned
Dec 28 20:27:01 <nox-> (the guy in saal2)
Dec 28 20:27:48 <nox-> something called `driver assist'(?)
Dec 28 20:31:25 <louis__> Hi. I'm trying to transfer my contacts form my Android phone to my N900 though the "Transfer & sync" tool. The creation of the job goes fine both then it trys to get the data it just says "Failed" without any reason. Does anyone knows how to solve this problem?
Dec 28 20:31:47 <yacc> louis__, Just sync your stuff from Google?
Dec 28 20:32:48 <louis__> Why can't I use the tool "Transfer & sync"? Is it buggy?
Dec 28 20:34:57 <louis__> yacc, yacc, Why can't I use the tool "Transfer & sync"? Is it buggy?
Dec 28 20:41:40 <jacekowski> louis__: it's only for nokia phones as far as i know
Dec 28 20:43:36 <louis__> jacekowski: Okey. Thanks.
Dec 28 20:50:31 <DocScrutinizer> nox-: kdepim3-mobile [ Pfad: /opt/kde3/bin/kandy, Repository: zypp (kde3) ]  sudo zypper install kdepim3-mobile
Dec 28 20:51:02 <nox-> ah, thx
Dec 28 20:51:15 <DocScrutinizer> yw
Dec 28 21:01:37 <DocScrutinizer> nox-: yacc: what's wrong with canbus? Except it's a bus made for Controllers, not for raw data transfer like in IP / PPP or whatever
Dec 28 21:02:12 <nox-> well the talk was about gsm stack security holes exploitable over the `air'...
Dec 28 21:02:31 <DocScrutinizer> OTA vs CANBUS? strange
Dec 28 21:02:35 <nox-> so attacker gets control of baseband cpu -> can talk to canbus
Dec 28 21:03:23 <DocScrutinizer> I might think about arbitrary GSM modules attacking the ABS I'm going to develop, via CANBUS :-D
Dec 28 21:03:23 <nox-> (just as a possiblilty, but a scary one :)
Dec 28 21:03:35 <DocScrutinizer> yeah
Dec 28 21:04:39 <DocScrutinizer> indeed that'd need more than just one braindead vulnerability in canbus linked controllers
Dec 28 21:05:00 <RST38h> "App store milestones: Windows Phone 7 hits 5,000 as Android passes 200,000 available apps"
Dec 28 21:05:09 <RST38h> What is this craziness anyway?
Dec 28 21:05:20 <DocScrutinizer> ABS can't get triggered via canbus usually. As GSM OTA can't access canbus at all
Dec 28 21:05:42 <yacc> DocScrutinizer: It's a bus that is really not very useful for random data transfers, OTOH, it does make sure that each device that you've designed into it get's the allocated amount of wire time ;)
Dec 28 21:06:01 <DocScrutinizer> I know canbus
Dec 28 21:06:31 <yacc> ;)
Dec 28 21:06:33 <DocScrutinizer> I'm supposed to, to work in industry on development of canbus controlled ABS
Dec 28 21:06:59 <DocScrutinizer> ESP, whatever
Dec 28 21:09:08 <DocScrutinizer> aen't TLAs nice? Electronic Stability Program pretends to equip the car with Extra Sensorical Perception :-P
Dec 28 21:10:06 <yacc> DocScrutinizer: 9 months in Munich in the industry as a freelancer, and I have to admit that I wonder why cars designed this way even manage to start the engine ;)
Dec 28 21:10:13 <BCMM> RST38h: counts of things in "app stores" fail to account for what fraction don't actually do anything, but instead present basically static information from the website of a band or a shop or something
Dec 28 21:10:49 <DocScrutinizer> yacc: Munich? nice, seems I will foolow up your footsteps
Dec 28 21:10:57 <DocScrutinizer> follow*
Dec 28 21:18:00 <pradeep> helllo
Dec 28 21:18:04 <pradeep> everyone
Dec 28 21:19:28 <apt> Hi crashanddie! I'm infobot's stand-in. If infobot resurrects, please /kick me
Dec 28 21:19:28 <apt> Hi crashanddie! I'm infobot's stand-in. If infobot resurrects, please /kick me
Dec 28 21:19:41 <kerio> wait, what
Dec 28 21:21:23 <tybollt_> ~
Dec 28 21:21:27 <tybollt_> ~sod off
Dec 28 21:29:24 <alterego> Heh
Dec 28 21:30:11 <BCMM> http://www.shinyhardware.co.uk/prods/showprod.asp?pid=15470 - heh, i wonder if you could use this to use an old-fashioned phone as a handset
Dec 28 21:30:19 <BCMM> (found while looking for unrelated USB things)
Dec 28 21:31:53 <nox-> http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/7830/zoom/
Dec 28 21:31:54 <nox-> :)
Dec 28 21:32:09 <alterego> Ooo, cake
Dec 28 21:39:07 <nox-> BCMM, also the modem would need voice commands, but maybe those are really standard nowadays...
Dec 28 21:50:06 <poison> 8
Dec 28 21:59:24 <_nicolai_> Hi
Dec 28 21:59:46 <pupnik> hi
Dec 28 22:00:30 <DocScrutinizer> err what's wrong with apt now. She's stammering
Dec 28 22:01:32 <DocScrutinizer> hmmm OK - http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html#t2010-12-28T23:16:48
Dec 28 22:05:11 <DocScrutinizer> nox-: thanks, was searching for this, then thought I should check your link first
Dec 28 22:05:49 <MohammadAG> hey _nicolai_ :)
Dec 28 22:05:51 <nox-> hehe
Dec 28 22:05:56 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM: nope, the adapter you linked is a phone by itself
Dec 28 22:06:03 <nox-> DocScrutinizer, a real must-have right? :)
Dec 28 22:07:04 <DocScrutinizer> nox-: indeed
Dec 28 22:08:33 <_nicolai_> MohammadAG, is someone working on the mafwsource for your mediaplayer?
Dec 28 22:08:38 <trumee> anybody using Sygic maps?  Was wondering what is the difference between Ovi store version and Sygic shop version.
Dec 28 22:09:50 <trumee> I want to buy the UK maps, but Sygic online shop doesnt provide them. Only ovi store does.
Dec 28 22:10:04 <MohammadAG> _nicolai_, check PM/query
Dec 28 22:10:16 <jacekowski> trumee: sygic is crap
Dec 28 22:10:29 <jacekowski> trumee: and there is open source navigation on the way
Dec 28 22:10:47 <jacekowski> trumee: as in everything except voice synthesis is there
Dec 28 22:11:07 <trumee> jacekowski: i need a software which doesnt need to be connected to 3g all the time
Dec 28 22:11:34 <trumee> jacekowski: Sygic is pretty cheap atm, with a christmas sale
Dec 28 22:12:00 <trumee> jacekowski: but what opensource navigation are you referring to?
Dec 28 22:12:14 <jacekowski> let me just find it
Dec 28 22:13:01 <alterego> trumee: what kind of navigation do you require?
Dec 28 22:13:26 <MohammadAG> ffs, gitorious is down
Dec 28 22:13:34 <trumee> alterego: Turn by turn navigation, something which replace my TomTom which died today.
Dec 28 22:13:41 <jacekowski> trumee: it's offline
Dec 28 22:13:46 <alterego> Right
Dec 28 22:13:50 <jacekowski> http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Marble/MaemoOfflineRouting
Dec 28 22:14:08 <jacekowski> trumee: just voice is missing
Dec 28 22:14:17 <javispedro> osm autorouting?
Dec 28 22:14:19 <jacekowski> trumee: but that will be there some time soon probably as it's easy part
Dec 28 22:14:20 <javispedro> ymmv
Dec 28 22:14:47 <trumee> jacekowski: interesting, i have used marble for geotagging in digikam
Dec 28 22:14:54 <jacekowski> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67316
Dec 28 22:16:49 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: not THAT easy
Dec 28 22:17:04 <jacekowski> i looked at it
Dec 28 22:17:27 <jacekowski> you can either use festival
Dec 28 22:17:31 <jacekowski> and do full synthesis
Dec 28 22:17:32 <trumee> jacekowski: interesting. How good are OSM maps compared to TeleAtlas or Navteq?
Dec 28 22:17:37 <jacekowski> trumee: better
Dec 28 22:17:39 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: you either go TTS or natural samples
Dec 28 22:17:54 <jacekowski> and natural samples can be stolen from tomtom
Dec 28 22:17:57 * alterego sighs
Dec 28 22:18:04 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: not really
Dec 28 22:18:05 <jacekowski> well, support for tomtom samples can be added
Dec 28 22:18:11 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: why
Dec 28 22:18:31 <DocScrutinizer> there's more to natural samples than just the mere audio
Dec 28 22:18:42 <jacekowski> stiching it together
Dec 28 22:18:58 <DocScrutinizer> good natural samples are really really hard to implement and also to record
Dec 28 22:19:01 <alterego> will, this, debug ..
Dec 28 22:19:22 <jacekowski> well, there are already ready samples
Dec 28 22:19:26 <jacekowski> that can be stolen from tomtom
Dec 28 22:19:32 <alterego> That and regional samples are easier for a driver to understand without thinking about it :)
Dec 28 22:19:42 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: you cant stitch together arbitrary samples. It sounds *awful*
Dec 28 22:19:54 <jacekowski> tomtom samples are not arbitary
Dec 28 22:19:59 <jacekowski> they are prepared for it
Dec 28 22:20:08 <jacekowski> you have 60 commands
Dec 28 22:20:21 <DocScrutinizer> exactly. I *did* that for Siemens navi
Dec 28 22:20:24 <jacekowski> turn left/right/hard left/5th exit on rondabout
Dec 28 22:20:52 <DocScrutinizer> I actualy knpow what I'm talking about
Dec 28 22:21:02 <DocScrutinizer> I actually know what I'm talking about
Dec 28 22:21:09 <jacekowski> well, creating samples is not an issue at the moment
Dec 28 22:21:19 <jacekowski> as compatibility with tomtom samples would be nice thing
Dec 28 22:21:22 <alterego> Now, hope, this, segfaults
Dec 28 22:21:24 <jacekowski> as it's just like 60 ogg files
Dec 28 22:21:56 <jacekowski> direction generating code in marble looks like it's generating directions that are almost compatible
Dec 28 22:21:59 <DocScrutinizer> even stealing samples you might find yourself with like 7 "100" and 9 "left"
Dec 28 22:22:13 <DocScrutinizer> and you got no clue which of those use when
Dec 28 22:22:22 <jacekowski> routing is already there
Dec 28 22:22:41 <jacekowski> and i'm amazed how simple it is
Dec 28 22:23:04 <DocScrutinizer> not to mention the inter lexem pauses that are hardcoded and not part of the samples
Dec 28 22:23:21 <DocScrutinizer> phonem /word / whatever
Dec 28 22:23:34 <jacekowski> tomtom samples contain whole sentences
Dec 28 22:23:44 <jacekowski> so you just play one ready sample
Dec 28 22:23:59 <DocScrutinizer> that's quite limiting the number of possible guiding instructions
Dec 28 22:24:00 <jacekowski> besides, these are just details
Dec 28 22:24:05 <louis__> I've bought a used Nokia N900. After typing my PIN code it says "Pin code accepted" and then the screen turns black. I can boot the phone (no SMS/Call) fine if I skip the PIN Code. Do I  need to reset the settings or why can't I log in after typing pin code?
Dec 28 22:24:13 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: that's good thing
Dec 28 22:24:30 <DocScrutinizer> ack
Dec 28 22:24:31 <ShadowJK> louis__, never heard of it doing that
Dec 28 22:24:58 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: because then if i have limited amount of samples i'm not going to be attacked by some unexpected stuff
Dec 28 22:25:12 <DocScrutinizer> louis__: weak worn out battery I guess
Dec 28 22:25:18 <jacekowski> but it will be just 2-3 words simple instructions
Dec 28 22:25:32 <DocScrutinizer> when GSM starts sending, it gets a brownout
Dec 28 22:25:53 <ShadowJK> If it's used, I'd flash it anyway
Dec 28 22:25:59 <ShadowJK> see if it improves
Dec 28 22:26:22 <jacekowski> well, in used phone everything can be messed up
Dec 28 22:26:26 <louis__> The screen is black, but the back light is still on.
Dec 28 22:26:28 <trumee> ok, my original question got lost in the discusson. What is the difference between Sygic (Ovi store) and Sygic (Online shop) versions?
Dec 28 22:26:32 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: the navi I was working for had arbitrary distance, like "inn 190 meters, turn right"
Dec 28 22:26:47 <ptl> na'vi?
Dec 28 22:26:48 <jacekowski> yeah same thing
Dec 28 22:26:54 <louis__> And I've used it for hours without SIM card.
Dec 28 22:27:00 <DocScrutinizer> louis__: ouch
Dec 28 22:27:04 <jacekowski> tomtom has two distances
Dec 28 22:27:07 <jacekowski> that depend on speed
Dec 28 22:27:22 <jacekowski> i think it's above 50mph it's 2 miles and then 500 yards
Dec 28 22:27:32 <jacekowski> and at less than 50 it's something like 1.5mile
Dec 28 22:27:54 <ShadowJK> I've seen reports that sygic is unable to say "yards" and just stays silent, but amusingly I had the english voice the other day and it said metres just fine :-)
Dec 28 22:28:01 <DocScrutinizer> what do you do for double manoevers? like "in 100 meters turn right - then after 30 meters turn right"
Dec 28 22:28:31 <jacekowski> well, then it stiches them
Dec 28 22:28:33 <jacekowski> with some delay
Dec 28 22:28:45 <louis__> I'll charge it over night and if that doesn't help. I'll reset the settings.
Dec 28 22:28:52 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: you'll be lost withthat TomTom in German cities
Dec 28 22:28:55 <jacekowski> louis__: not reset
Dec 28 22:29:05 <apt> Hi crashanddie! I'm infobot's stand-in. If infobot resurrects, please /kick me
Dec 28 22:29:07 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: i never got lost in london with it
Dec 28 22:29:18 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: nobody ever complained
Dec 28 22:29:22 <jacekowski> louis__: flash
Dec 28 22:29:31 <jacekowski> louis__: there is a difference
Dec 28 22:29:47 <DocScrutinizer> ~flash
Dec 28 22:29:47 <apt> i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Dec 28 22:30:51 <louis__> The phone has a "reset" feature but I can try to reflash it tomorrow. Thanks and good night ;)
Dec 28 22:31:05 <jacekowski> reset isn't a reset
Dec 28 22:31:11 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie: I guess you noticed it by now? So I'll tell her to stfu
Dec 28 22:31:12 <jacekowski> it's just reseting user setting
Dec 28 22:31:14 <ShadowJK> it does almost nothing :)
Dec 28 22:31:21 <jacekowski> but a lot of other stuff still can be messed up
Dec 28 22:31:23 <crashanddie> tell her?
Dec 28 22:31:33 <louis__> jacekowski: What is it when?
Dec 28 22:31:38 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer: wut?
Dec 28 22:31:49 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, <apt> Hi crashanddie! I'm infobot's stand-in. If infobot resurrects, please /kick me
Dec 28 22:31:52 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-12-28 23:26:24] <apt> Hi crashanddie! I'm infobot's stand-in. If infobot resurrects, please /kick me
Dec 28 22:32:18 <crashanddie> why did she tell me that?
Dec 28 22:33:05 <DocScrutinizer> because I told her to tell you :-D
Dec 28 22:33:11 <crashanddie> oh
Dec 28 22:33:29 <DocScrutinizer> infobot is 'dea'. She's her sister
Dec 28 22:33:37 <DocScrutinizer> dead*
Dec 28 22:33:47 <crashanddie> why is she dead?
Dec 28 22:33:49 <crashanddie> What happened?
Dec 28 22:33:56 <DocScrutinizer> the don't play nice in same room :-P
Dec 28 22:34:35 <DocScrutinizer> (what happened) dunno. Maybe somebody made infobot act up and so she got kickbanned by #freenode or sth
Dec 28 22:35:32 <DocScrutinizer> apt is well, infobot is dead though thinks she's joined to all chan she ought to be. Also TimRiker not been seen online since ~24h
Dec 28 22:36:24 <crashanddie> yeah well, kinda expected this time of year
Dec 28 22:36:29 <DocScrutinizer> (maybe he got kickbanned as well? X-D )
Dec 28 22:36:30 <crashanddie> though, apt shouldn't be +v
Dec 28 22:36:42 <DocScrutinizer> why not?
Dec 28 22:37:05 <DocScrutinizer> never got the root rationale for your +v'ing her anyway
Dec 28 22:37:09 <jacekowski> louis__: it's just deleting settings
Dec 28 22:37:13 <jacekowski> louis__: that's all
Dec 28 22:37:26 <jacekowski> louis__: flash is only real factory reset
Dec 28 22:37:31 <crashanddie> dunno
Dec 28 22:37:38 <crashanddie> just looks nice to have her there :)
Dec 28 22:37:44 <DocScrutinizer> but it's convenient as it sorts her on top of userlist
Dec 28 22:37:51 <louis__> jacekowski: Okey. Thanks for info.
Dec 28 22:43:21 <pupnik> taiwanese make nice photoblogs
Dec 28 22:50:39 <FauxFaux> anime
Dec 28 22:50:43 <FauxFaux> FUUUU
Dec 28 22:58:29 <trumee> i am installing sygic from Ovi store. Can i get hold of the deb before it is deleted?
Dec 28 22:58:34 <trumee> on the device.
Dec 28 23:03:43 <pupnik> trumee: ls /var/cache/apt/archives perhaps
Dec 28 23:06:36 <MohammadAG> /var/tmp
Dec 28 23:06:46 <MohammadAG> removed directly after installation
Dec 28 23:08:36 <pupnik> aha
Dec 28 23:08:41 * alterego contemplates skipping fixing mapping in Columbus and just implementing what he's got planned :/
Dec 28 23:12:59 * trumee finds Nokia DC-11 charger awesome. A charger which really charges up N900 damn quick.
Dec 28 23:15:02 <gazu> need some help
Dec 28 23:15:54 <alterego> gazu: just ask, don't ask to ask.
Dec 28 23:16:01 <gazu> apt-get install nokia-binaries,working only offside ofscratchbox
Dec 28 23:16:40 <alterego> don't you mean: fakeroot apt-get install nokia-binaries?
Dec 28 23:16:47 <gazu> I was in the middle
Dec 28 23:17:20 <gazu> yea that was i did
Dec 28 23:18:15 <gazu> I get access to that binaries only inside my box,but not in scratchbox
Dec 28 23:18:45 <gazu> [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > apt-get install nokia-binaries nokia-apps
Dec 28 23:18:45 <gazu> Reading package lists... Done
Dec 28 23:18:46 <gazu> Building dependency tree... Done
Dec 28 23:18:46 <gazu> E: Couldn't find package nokia-binaries
Dec 28 23:18:55 <OEXPL> how can I create an interactive startscript(programm reads from stdin) for /etc/event.d?
Dec 28 23:20:09 <MohammadAG> gazu, why did you add the line you got (with the token) to your PC's /etc/apt/sources.list file?
Dec 28 23:20:20 <MohammadAG> remove it outside scratchbox, add it inside scratchbox
Dec 28 23:20:44 * alterego sighs
Dec 28 23:21:04 <gazu> didnt get it
Dec 28 23:21:10 <gazu> one more time
Dec 28 23:21:14 <MohammadAG> open a terminal window
Dec 28 23:21:18 <MohammadAG> nano /etc/apt/sources.list
Dec 28 23:21:46 <MohammadAG> remove the line with nokia-binaries
Dec 28 23:21:57 <MohammadAG> then CTRL+O CTRL+X to exit nano
Dec 28 23:22:09 <MohammadAG> now /scratchbox/login
Dec 28 23:22:15 <MohammadAG> nano /etc/apt/sources.list
Dec 28 23:22:17 <MohammadAG> and add the line
Dec 28 23:22:25 <gazu> ahhh
Dec 28 23:22:42 <gazu> thanks
Dec 28 23:23:11 <MohammadAG> scratchbox is a chroot
Dec 28 23:23:14 <MohammadAG> yw
Dec 28 23:59:41 <gazu> I'm getting this in the middle of the binaries's install
Dec 28 23:59:46 <gazu> ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/libfakeroot-sysv/libfakeroot.so.0
Dec 29 00:30:01 <DocScrutinizer> skipping fixing mapping and just starting planning implementing... My pidgin is too old for that
Dec 29 00:30:06 <DocScrutinizer> ;-P
Dec 29 00:31:43 <DocScrutinizer> err pidging
Dec 29 00:43:51 <nox-> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/breaking-gsm-with-a-15-phone-plus-smarts/
Dec 29 00:45:37 <alterego> nox-: crazy ...
Dec 29 00:47:36 <nox-> yeah but i guess it was only a question of time...
Dec 29 01:09:03 <BCMM> nox-: it looks as if that could basically get fixed by network operators without deviating from GSM or breaking anything
Dec 29 01:09:27 <BCMM> i mean, the problems exploited by that specific hack
Dec 29 01:10:55 <nox-> yeah, but there also is the problem of security holes in phones's (etc) baseband processors
Dec 29 01:11:10 <ds3> security for what?
Dec 29 01:11:27 <nox-> `attacks' over the `air'
Dec 29 01:11:45 <ds3> attacks to get free access to the GSM network or attacks to see what is being sent and received?
Dec 29 01:12:10 <nox-> the latter
Dec 29 01:12:31 <nox-> and to get at user's data on smartphones etc
Dec 29 01:13:04 <ds3> that should be a non issue
Dec 29 01:13:24 <ds3> this is a broadcast medium. secure your device. stop relying on link layer security
Dec 29 01:13:42 <nox-> well some ppl have ssh/vpn keys on there or similar stuff
Dec 29 01:13:48 <ds3> it is the same stupid reasoning that people are arguing on using stuff like VPNs when the right thing to do is to secure their APPS and emachines
Dec 29 01:13:57 <nox-> yeah but the baseband code a user rarely can fix
Dec 29 01:14:11 <ds3> and?
Dec 29 01:14:18 <ds3> why are the ssh/vpn keys not encrypted locally?
Dec 29 01:14:35 <ds3> not properly handling encryption is not excuse
Dec 29 01:16:35 <nox-> well the problem is a bit like many non-techie windows users being unable to keep the worms out, only here the `attack' comes over the air
Dec 29 01:17:04 <nox-> so you could even do less about it
Dec 29 01:17:19 <ds3> my answer for that is simple. unsecured machines are disconnected upon detection for the first infraction. banned forever on the second infraction.
Dec 29 01:18:09 <ds3> everything sent outside of your machine is of suspect unless otherwise authenticated
Dec 29 01:18:39 <nox-> as i said the baseband code a user rarely can fix himself
Dec 29 01:19:08 <ds3> secure the rest of the machine against that
Dec 29 01:19:51 <ds3> anyways
Dec 29 01:21:02 <nox-> on some phones baseband and app cpu even share ram...
Dec 29 01:21:59 <nox-> i mean use the same ram
Dec 29 01:22:13 <SpeedEvil> For the above attack - simply random-filling the packets NUL areas would break the rainbow tables.
Dec 29 01:22:22 <SpeedEvil> Or renegotiating keys between uses
Dec 29 01:22:26 <nox-> true
Dec 29 01:23:09 <nox-> the other attack was using a `rogue' base station i.e. something like a mitm
Dec 29 01:24:36 <nox-> and that bad guy then causes buffer overflows etc pp
Dec 29 01:26:37 <nox-> bbl
Dec 29 01:28:44 <pupnik> hm
Dec 29 01:31:37 * alterego contemplates an about dialog
Dec 29 01:32:34 <nox-> bye pupnik
Dec 29 01:36:23 <MohammadAG> alterego, QHEAboutDialog? :)
Dec 29 01:37:16 <timeless_mbp> hey
Dec 29 01:37:25 <timeless_mbp> someone want to try www.nokia.co.in?
Dec 29 01:38:58 <MohammadAG> what's .in again?
Dec 29 01:39:07 <timeless_mbp> india
Dec 29 01:39:09 <timeless_mbp> it's a major market
Dec 29 01:39:16 <ds3> how many trojans have you installed on there? ;)
Dec 29 01:39:24 <timeless_mbp> ds3: did you try loading it?
Dec 29 01:39:30 <ds3> I don't load trojan sites ;)
Dec 29 01:39:44 <MohammadAG> actually, trjoan sites don't load
Dec 29 01:40:03 <MohammadAG> timeless_mbp, it doesn't load
Dec 29 01:40:17 <timeless_mbp> ds3: ok, visit www.nokiausa.com, at the bottom, click international sites
Dec 29 01:40:19 <timeless_mbp> then click india
Dec 29 01:40:31 <timeless_mbp> MohammadAG: oh, that's an improvement
Dec 29 01:40:39 <alterego> MohammadAG: no, Columbus, somewhere to stick my "Donate!" button? :D
Dec 29 01:40:39 <timeless_mbp> try www.nokia.at ?
Dec 29 01:40:52 <timeless_mbp> or www.nokia.be ?
Dec 29 01:41:50 <MohammadAG> alterego, there's a donate button in QHEAboutDialog :P
Dec 29 01:42:54 <ds3> it is dead.
Dec 29 01:43:21 <alterego> I have my own dialogs thanks :P
Dec 29 01:43:56 <MohammadAG> alterego, http://wiki.maemo.org/images/e/ef/HeAboutDialog.png
Dec 29 01:44:36 <MohammadAG> that should be rewritten in Qt tbh, instead of a Qt-gtk wrapper
Dec 29 01:46:05 <MohammadAG> Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin signed an order yesterday calling for the federal government to switch to Linux from proprietary operating systems such as Microsoft Windows, starting in 2Q 2012.
Dec 29 01:46:14 <MohammadAG> russia ftw
Dec 29 01:46:21 <alterego> Yes, I've seen it before.
Dec 29 01:46:31 <alterego> I'm still not interested :P
Dec 29 01:46:38 <MohammadAG> russia or the dialog?
Dec 29 01:46:44 <alterego> Either tbh :D
Dec 29 01:46:47 <MohammadAG> :P
Dec 29 01:48:22 <ds3> whoa... the NOK servers are foobared
Dec 29 01:48:38 <ds3> finally timed out got an error page back from their server
Dec 29 01:50:35 <MohammadAG> timeless_mbp, who the hell designs 404s for Nokia?
Dec 29 01:50:49 <MohammadAG> It says Oops, lost? Never get lost again with Ovi Maps
Dec 29 01:50:54 <MohammadAG> how the fuck are those related
Dec 29 01:51:58 <LinuxCode> he ordered....
Dec 29 01:52:03 <LinuxCode> how can that be ftw
Dec 29 01:52:24 <LinuxCode> Id like departments to go, we need to save money, be more secure, more efficient....so lets use linux
Dec 29 01:54:46 <ds3> didn't you know, Ovi Maps is also a indexing tools for webpages? ;)
Dec 29 01:55:26 <MohammadAG> only in India
Dec 29 01:55:35 <timeless_mbp> MohammadAG: isn't that cute?
Dec 29 01:55:50 <timeless_mbp> anyway, in case you're curious, i called nokia usa and reported them
Dec 29 01:55:57 <timeless_mbp> they claimed i should check in an hour
Dec 29 01:56:00 <timeless_mbp> please do check in an hour
Dec 29 01:56:08 <MohammadAG> and if it's not working, 911?
Dec 29 01:56:12 <jacekowski> what have you done?
Dec 29 01:56:41 <timeless_mbp> call nokia usa and complain?
Dec 29 01:56:54 <MohammadAG> hmm, 1-800 number?
Dec 29 01:56:56 <timeless_mbp> (use skype, it's toll free)
Dec 29 01:57:08 <MohammadAG> exactly what I was thinking :P
Dec 29 01:57:15 <timeless_mbp> +18886654228
Dec 29 01:57:25 <MohammadAG> though I'll probably be asleep, it's 4 AM atm :P
Dec 29 01:57:45 <jacekowski> i could call
Dec 29 01:57:48 <jacekowski> but i don't care
Dec 29 01:57:49 <timeless_mbp> you want english, {something}, ovi services,
Dec 29 01:57:51 <timeless_mbp> roughly
Dec 29 01:58:01 <timeless_mbp> it's generally the last choice
Dec 29 01:58:19 <timeless_mbp> we called 40 mins ago
Dec 29 01:58:20 <MohammadAG> jacekowski, it's toll free
Dec 29 01:58:23 <MohammadAG> how couldn't you care
Dec 29 01:58:48 <timeless_mbp> but it probably took 15mins for us to get through the queue
Dec 29 01:59:10 <timeless_mbp> MohammadAG: btw, which site gave you the stupid 404?
Dec 29 01:59:17 <timeless_mbp> (a bunch of them now just don't load anything)
Dec 29 01:59:20 <MohammadAG> nokia.co.in
Dec 29 01:59:25 <MohammadAG> redirected me to http://www.nokia.co.in/NOKIA_COM_1/Sorry/
Dec 29 01:59:28 <timeless_mbp> yeah
Dec 29 01:59:44 * alterego is now adding waypoint support.
Dec 29 02:00:03 <MohammadAG> alterego, isn't it late in the UK? :P
Dec 29 02:00:13 <alterego> Almost 2am yeah
Dec 29 02:02:04 <alterego> Is there something wrong with that? :P
Dec 29 02:02:21 * MohammadAG executes date in XChat
Dec 29 02:02:25 <MohammadAG> Wed Dec 29 03:59:43 IST 2010
Dec 29 02:02:30 <MohammadAG> alterego, not really, no ^
Dec 29 02:02:56 <alterego> :)
Dec 29 02:04:10 <alterego> I just want to get v1 done before my gf comes back from Paris ^.^
Dec 29 02:04:43 <MohammadAG> when's she coming back?
Dec 29 02:05:00 <MohammadAG> if(soon)
Dec 29 02:05:04 <MohammadAG>     don't sleep;
Dec 29 02:05:51 <SpeedEvil> Not sleeping doesn't improve productivity
Dec 29 02:06:07 <MohammadAG> sleep wastes time :P
Dec 29 02:06:27 <MohammadAG> and for some reason, I progress a lot at night
Dec 29 02:06:57 <SpeedEvil> I need to fix my cycle.
Dec 29 02:07:02 <SpeedEvil> I got up at 3pm today
Dec 29 02:07:07 <SpeedEvil> So - nigth all!
Dec 29 02:12:13 <alterego> g'night
Dec 29 02:12:29 <alterego> She comes back in a week.
Dec 29 02:12:45 <MohammadAG> alterego->sleep(); :P
Dec 29 02:13:16 <alterego> Neah, I stayed up all night last night getting her sorted and off to the airport.
Dec 29 02:14:00 <MohammadAG> heh
Dec 29 02:34:19 * alterego implements waypoint averaging
Dec 29 02:34:28 <alterego> Think I may go to bed after this.
Dec 29 02:34:38 <alterego> Or eat something, haven't decided yet.
Dec 29 02:37:52 * SpeedEvil is eating something in bed.
Dec 29 02:38:01 * SpeedEvil wishes the n900 GPS was a bit rawer
Dec 29 02:38:06 <janemba> hello
Dec 29 02:38:25 <SpeedEvil> http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/qyfArk3qG28OuGRzrA41
Dec 29 02:38:25 <DocScrutinizer> night SpeedEvil
Dec 29 02:38:28 <SpeedEvil> night
Dec 29 02:38:41 <SpeedEvil> I woke up again, and am now going to sleep
Dec 29 02:38:51 <zutesmog> howdy, just took delivery of my N900, so just starting out on my n900 adventure.  (Been lurking here on and off for nearly a year).
Dec 29 02:40:02 <alterego> neat
Dec 29 02:40:38 <zutesmog> I have a strong development background c, python mainly.  Been doing paid development on appengine for the last few years
Dec 29 02:40:44 <zutesmog> am ex Sun.
Dec 29 02:41:20 <alterego> Working for Cisco no then? ^.^
Dec 29 02:41:26 <zutesmog> but been running linux based systems  (servers, apache stacks etrc...) for the last 8-10 years
Dec 29 02:41:42 <MohammadAG> alterego, it works :D
Dec 29 02:41:47 <zutesmog> been independant contracting/consulting for the last 10 years.
Dec 29 02:41:54 <MohammadAG> had to transform the whole view, not the image
Dec 29 02:42:00 <zutesmog> Hope to contribute something here, once I get my head around my new toy
Dec 29 02:42:26 <alterego> MohammadAG: show us a pic then :)
Dec 29 02:42:49 <MohammadAG> sec :D
Dec 29 02:42:56 <MohammadAG>     QTransform t;
Dec 29 02:42:56 <MohammadAG>     t = t.rotate(-25, Qt::YAxis);
Dec 29 02:42:57 <MohammadAG>     ui->view->setTransform(t);
Dec 29 02:42:59 <MohammadAG> twas that easy
Dec 29 02:43:08 * MohammadAG feels pathetic :P
Dec 29 02:44:04 <alterego> Believe me, I've spent more time getting pissed off with trig recently whilst working on Columbus
Dec 29 02:44:13 <alterego> It's annoying because it's all so basic.
Dec 29 02:44:30 <alterego> brb
Dec 29 02:44:36 <SpeedEvil> spherical trig is fun!
Dec 29 02:45:01 <SpeedEvil> Though it's really trig on a WGS84 elipsoid
Dec 29 02:45:17 <alterego> Heh
Dec 29 02:45:23 <merlin1991> wait a min SpeedEvil  didn't you say gn like 45 mins ago? :D
Dec 29 02:45:27 <alterego> I'm not doing anything that clever yet.
Dec 29 02:45:33 <timeless_mbp> :o, .in is back up :)
Dec 29 02:45:34 <MohammadAG> alterego, I'm thinking of dumping layouts tbh
Dec 29 02:45:35 <SpeedEvil> merlin: I'm failing sleep
Dec 29 02:45:38 <MohammadAG> for the nowplayingwindow
Dec 29 02:45:44 <MohammadAG> they're making the image a bit small
Dec 29 02:46:05 <alterego> M'hmm
Dec 29 02:47:56 <MohammadAG> alterego, http://i51.tinypic.com/e8la44.jpg
Dec 29 02:48:12 <MohammadAG> there's wasted screen estate on either side
Dec 29 02:50:43 <alterego> You need to add a gradient
Dec 29 02:50:55 <alterego> So the reflection fades out
Dec 29 02:51:14 <alterego> I think you should make it smaller too, so there's a margin around the image.
Dec 29 02:51:48 <MohammadAG> alterego, smaller and wider
Dec 29 02:51:49 <ShadowJK> it looks like it's distorted from a rectangle into something not a rectangle, and mirroring added to where there previously had been the full rectangle
Dec 29 02:51:52 <ShadowJK> is that intentional?
Dec 29 02:52:28 <MohammadAG> ShadowJK, this is the full effect http://i56.tinypic.com/34zwrww.jpg
Dec 29 02:52:47 <MohammadAG> it's a bit stretched, should've picked a better album art, but it was the one that was there :P
Dec 29 02:52:55 <ShadowJK> So who will make app to pre-distort cover art so that it shows up "right"? :)
Dec 29 02:54:19 <MohammadAG> ah
Dec 29 02:54:30 <MohammadAG> the image's from ryhtmbox's cache
Dec 29 02:54:33 <alterego> ShadowJK: not really neccessary, how quickly can you change album? :)
Dec 29 02:54:35 <MohammadAG> it makes images 200x200
Dec 29 02:54:46 <MohammadAG> on the N900 album art is stored as 600x600
Dec 29 02:54:51 * MohammadAG copies bigger image
Dec 29 02:55:37 <ShadowJK> You could have the rectangular image unmodified, but simulate slowly waving water underneath :P
Dec 29 02:55:40 <DocScrutinizer> meh, better album. The one we used isn't compatible to our eye-candy :-S
Dec 29 02:56:17 <DocScrutinizer> s/candy/powder/
Dec 29 02:56:18 <apt> DocScrutinizer meant: meh, better album. The one we used isn't compatible to our eye-powder :-S
Dec 29 02:57:15 <MohammadAG> ShadowJK, impact on battery?
Dec 29 02:57:20 <MohammadAG> s/apt/infobot/ :(
Dec 29 02:57:58 <ShadowJK> I hope it wouldn't use too much power on sgx, you'd obviously have to stop it whenever the UI does not have focus, or the screen is off
Dec 29 02:58:02 <SpeedEvil> water - sloshing according to accel
Dec 29 02:58:09 <ShadowJK> cool idea :)
Dec 29 02:58:17 <SpeedEvil> and reflecting the album art live in the rippled surface
Dec 29 02:58:29 <MohammadAG> hmm
Dec 29 02:58:36 <MohammadAG> could make that like a fullscreen mode
Dec 29 02:58:43 <MohammadAG> or performance mode
Dec 29 02:58:59 <MohammadAG> with gstreamer equalizer slide-able from the side?
Dec 29 02:59:08 <ShadowJK> You could like project outward waves from a line source or a point source on the surface, and vary the amplitude according to accel?
Dec 29 02:59:08 <MohammadAG> s/equalizer/visualizer/
Dec 29 02:59:10 <apt> MohammadAG meant: with gstreamer visualizer slide-able from the side?
Dec 29 02:59:35 <MohammadAG> I could, but I need to learn about animation :P
Dec 29 02:59:43 <DocScrutinizer> fsck, will it also *play music*??
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