**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 30 02:59:58 2010 Dec 30 03:14:16 n900 would be a nice platform to try to fix-up the PA problems Dec 30 03:14:43 i believe there's one full-time employee making exactly what, no progress whatsoever there... Dec 30 03:15:24 not to sound bitter or anything Dec 30 03:16:25 I think if you kill him, you can take his job. Dec 30 03:16:36 Or is that only in some star-trek episodes. Dec 30 03:16:37 I forget Dec 30 03:16:51 :) Dec 30 03:19:25 just thought about the funny fact of startrek assuming everybody is equipped with this magic universal translator - except klingons Dec 30 03:20:08 probably a natural extrapolation of the way US Americans think about languages other than US English Dec 30 03:24:09 oh, there have been other languages than "starfleet" and klingon actually, e.g. binar which sounded like a defect modem and probably wasn't compatible with universal translators, so the binarians had to switch beteen their own language and natural "star fleet" Dec 30 03:25:24 Also that silly 'cite precedents' language that made no sense at all. Dec 30 03:26:27 I'd be curious to see how much of PA's load is caused by the lowpass filter, versus how much is caused by the PA architecture itself Dec 30 03:26:41 given that driving alsa itself takes up basically no cpu time at all Dec 30 03:26:50 s/lowpass/highpass Dec 30 03:27:03 DocScrutinizer: your analysis is missing the oft-cited fact that (post TOS, anyway), klingons are black, portrayed as primitive and predisposed to violence Dec 30 03:27:27 wonder if all you need to do is plug headphones in for that Dec 30 03:27:40 anyone care to test PA playback cpu load with headphones vs speakers? Dec 30 03:40:43 I think that has been done. By SpeedEvil ? Dec 30 03:41:10 I dont' rememrbe Dec 30 03:41:46 well if you do it sometime, please drop me a private message with your resuls (so i don't miss it) Dec 30 03:47:03 pupnik, DocScrutinizer, SpeedEvil - PA uses less CPU usage with headphones than the speakers Dec 30 03:47:30 Something about no having to run the speaker protection algorithm on headphones (? IIRC) Dec 30 03:47:33 right Dec 30 03:47:34 not* Dec 30 03:47:39 and how much is that, roughly Dec 30 03:47:53 e.g. use 'top' to monitor it Dec 30 03:52:02 sth like 20% vs 10%? IIRC Dec 30 03:54:09 SpeedEvil, shaka, when the walls fell Dec 30 03:54:40 xkcd had a slightly related comic Dec 30 03:55:54 yeah - that Dec 30 03:55:56 also Dec 30 03:56:12 wow do I have a lot of apps I actually use Dec 30 04:01:59 DocScrutinizer: yeah, the percentage figure does depends on the particular app and current cpu speed though Dec 30 04:02:08 so the governor does need to be locked Dec 30 04:04:02 pupnik, without headphones it's 16-18%, with headphones 9-11%, so roughly what DocScrutinizer said anyway :p Dec 30 04:04:37 hey thanks Dec 30 04:05:34 a real question is why the hell is the sound API using up 10% of the CPU Dec 30 04:05:47 yes Dec 30 04:06:23 :) Dec 30 04:06:36 I've got a real axe to grind with pulseaudio. I find that every. fucking. sound problem I have had the last four years have been solved immediately by doing "sudo rm /usr/bin/pulseaudio; sudo ln -s /bin/cat /usr/bin/pulseaudio; sudo killall pulseaudio" Dec 30 04:06:50 IT WORKS EVERY TIME, AND THEN MY SOUND WORKS AFTERWARDS. Dec 30 04:07:05 well, that won't work on maemo Dec 30 04:07:14 That's true. :) Dec 30 04:07:20 mafw's open source, can be fixed for music Dec 30 04:07:34 phone app isn't, you're stuck to PA I'm afraid ;) Dec 30 04:08:01 I'd be happy if somebody just made pulseaudio not suck, break and hog. Dec 30 04:08:23 sign me up for that too Dec 30 04:09:13 (That said, it seems like a workable architecture for mobile units, in terms of all the different stuff you have to pull off with sending sound all around the place, so I definitely see the point) Dec 30 04:09:56 but the audio API using 20% CPU util on sound playback is just absurd to me. And it's 5AM so I'm grumpier than normal. Dec 30 04:10:37 toresbe: i'm glad that you're grumpy Dec 30 04:11:13 morning Dec 30 04:11:17 Whilst walking home from work I played back a digitized recording of a 1963 performance of music on a PDP-1 computer. Dec 30 04:11:40 I found it somewhat ironic that I was using a computer so many orders of magnitude faster to listen to that recording, and carrying it in my pocket :) Dec 30 04:11:57 they also did computer singing around that time 'daisy' Dec 30 04:11:58 * Gh0sty imagines toresbe with a long grey beard now Dec 30 04:12:22 I'm 22 but I'm grumpier and oldfartier than my years. Dec 30 04:12:33 :p Dec 30 04:12:44 hm them you are3 my ae? Dec 30 04:12:45 pupnik: Yeah, that was an IBM 7094 Mk II, and very much not real-time Dec 30 04:12:53 age Dec 30 04:13:19 im 28 and pdp-1 does not tell me anything Dec 30 04:13:40 I've written and run Hello World on it :) Dec 30 04:14:03 ive been working sometimes on stuff like older alpha and sparc machines Dec 30 04:14:14 and probably some dec Dec 30 04:14:15 Well, "Hello Worrld", anyway. The curator was trying to catch a train... Dec 30 04:14:23 bit nothing too serious Dec 30 04:14:31 bare handed or with a train glove? Dec 30 04:14:41 i am still from the dos generation however Dec 30 04:14:56 ds3: The console printer was "cleared" for non-glove use. Dec 30 04:14:57 and still happy to have known it Dec 30 04:15:15 pupnik: The IBM rendered the waveforms onto seven-track data tape which was then fed to a DAC. Dec 30 04:15:26 knowing dos and bat scripting really helped to understand linux shell at start Dec 30 04:15:42 pupnik: The PDP-1 however, just had some internal CPU flags and registers wired out to a PCB with some capacitors to smooth the waveform. :) Dec 30 04:15:45 oh and at home we had a commodore 128 Dec 30 04:15:49 still have Dec 30 04:16:04 It was very much a students' hack. Dec 30 04:16:21 earliest games i have are still written by hand purely by typing codde listings from books Dec 30 04:16:23 The 7094 was a vastly more expensive machine than the PDP-1. Dec 30 04:16:30 man im getting old :( Dec 30 04:17:46 The security in the PDP-1 machine room was lax enough that they could sneak in at night and solder on the CPU. The students would pick the lock on the computer room at times like 3AM, and added an indexed add instruction to the CPU :) Dec 30 04:17:46 and now awake at 5am Dec 30 04:17:57 damn medicins :( Dec 30 04:18:00 they suck Dec 30 04:18:20 talking of which Dec 30 04:18:28 we have a fun issue at work Dec 30 04:18:51 some older sun boxes arrived from our disaster center Dec 30 04:18:57 pupnik: I actually really like the rendition of the Little Fugue in G Minor by JS Bach: http://audio.textfiles.com/sounds/PDPMUSIC/ Dec 30 04:19:00 we still want to use em Dec 30 04:19:14 apparently both storage boxes are locked Dec 30 04:19:22 no keys to be found anywhere Dec 30 04:19:31 and both have a broken disk ... Dec 30 04:19:42 can power them without keys Dec 30 04:19:56 but cant remove disks without unlocking ... Dec 30 04:20:50 for now they can run in degraded mode but seriously who could imagine such a stupid problem ... :p Dec 30 04:21:18 toresbe: yeah computer music was fun. NeXT was a neat platform for it too Dec 30 04:21:54 I'd imagine. Dec 30 04:22:01 Never played with one, though I do have access to a cube Dec 30 04:23:51 it was just having a nice dsp with decent audio out Dec 30 04:25:11 DSPs are nice things :) Dec 30 04:31:10 angry birds is so random sometimes Dec 30 04:38:09 hard to believe people get 3 stars on some of these.. Dec 30 04:38:15 lol Dec 30 04:38:22 is there angry birds for maemo? :P Dec 30 04:38:31 ... yes Dec 30 04:38:35 really? lol Dec 30 04:38:40 should grab Dec 30 04:38:42 ... really Dec 30 04:38:51 :P Dec 30 04:38:52 in the Ovi Store Dec 30 04:39:00 (ovi store... LOL) Dec 30 04:39:19 lol didn't know they actually had software in that :P Dec 30 04:40:02 think it was first made for n900 wasn't it? Dec 30 04:41:11 was it? :P Dec 30 04:41:17 I am SO out of the loop Dec 30 04:42:06 * rm_you disappears Dec 30 04:42:49 i saw i very early ... i think jan 2010 or so Dec 30 04:43:06 it was like the first game announced for ovi store or somethign Dec 30 04:43:23 it's remarkably inducive of replaying levels Dec 30 04:43:31 due to the chaos of the many interacting elements Dec 30 04:50:14 bahaha the pigs have a swedish flag Dec 30 05:02:14 is 4th level pack out already? Dec 30 05:04:14 yeah, I heard somebody coded a virus and called it "angry birds level4-pack" Dec 30 05:05:01 :-P Dec 30 05:05:23 key seems to be restarting the levels if your first shot doesn't pay off big Dec 30 05:13:59 hm... soon my compiles shall run faster and better than ever before as two machines will do them! Dec 30 05:14:10 ehhhh, sorry, wc >.< Dec 30 05:14:19 seems i should go really to bed x) Dec 30 05:14:29 wc -l Dec 30 05:14:48 wc == wrong channel =p Dec 30 05:14:58 -ECHAN Dec 30 05:15:10 http://i51.tinypic.com/2d6u07t.jpg Dec 30 05:15:14 thanks lcuk :) Dec 30 05:15:41 MohammadAG: new media player? Dec 30 05:15:55 ummm 000 songs? Dec 30 05:15:57 yep Dec 30 05:16:02 DocScrutinizer, placeholder :P Dec 30 05:16:04 :o Dec 30 05:16:11 just to test what would happen if 999 songs were there Dec 30 05:16:18 I hope there's place for >999 songs Dec 30 05:16:20 FYI, over 9000 works just as fine Dec 30 05:16:21 GO MOHAMMAD GO!!! Dec 30 05:16:24 x) Dec 30 05:16:54 is that a late christmas-present for us all maemonians? :) Dec 30 05:16:56 x) Dec 30 05:17:17 nicolai got song listing working :) Dec 30 05:17:20 we just need to polish it Dec 30 05:17:34 meh Dec 30 05:17:35 pupnik: I went through after ***'ng all of them, and on most levels managed to get significantly more than the *** highscore Dec 30 05:18:03 wow Dec 30 05:18:05 a nice directory based fileselector is fine for me Dec 30 05:18:48 btw i see 4 levels... 2. Danger Above and 4. The Big Setup Dec 30 05:18:53 s/2/3 Dec 30 05:19:22 and by polish I mean tidy the code, not make reflected album art Dec 30 05:19:26 the big setup? Dec 30 05:20:04 yes, new pack name afaik Dec 30 05:20:28 well it definitely gets sickening after retrying a lefel for the 12th time Dec 30 05:20:36 mikki-kun, I'd consider it early valentine's day Dec 30 05:20:43 k, that's weird, late christmas it is Dec 30 05:20:44 i see it, but it says i can get in the the ovi store and when i click on ovi store it says i should upgrade my device :-) Dec 30 05:21:22 MohammadAG: awwwww, you wanna spread luv with it? ;) Dec 30 05:21:31 "We are sorry bla bla bla" Dec 30 05:22:07 osso-product-info -s OSSO_VERSION="RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0" 2> /dev/null || exit 0 Dec 30 05:22:14 Arkenoi, run that in a root shell and reboot Dec 30 05:22:53 MohammadAG: WTF? || exit 0 ??? Dec 30 05:23:32 idk, ask Nokia Dec 30 05:24:16 DocScrutinizer, cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/mp-fremantle-generic-pr.postinst Dec 30 05:24:21 or whatever package you have Dec 30 05:25:19 hmm, sometimes it's a bit funny to copy a line from a script and suggest to run that single line in a shell Dec 30 05:32:07 mikki-kun, http://i54.tinypic.com/nxpc2x.jpg Dec 30 05:32:11 the first button is pressed Dec 30 05:32:20 I just got it working like Nokia's button (style) Dec 30 05:37:13 MohammadAG: looks really good :) Dec 30 05:45:11 MohammadAG, did not help Dec 30 06:07:54 mikki-kun, :) Dec 30 06:08:44 hopefully nokia will learn how they should have actually coded that beast... Dec 30 06:17:47 getting audio out the speakers on maemo costs more CPU than android's entire VM/bytecode-interpreter Dec 30 06:17:56 hurrrrr! Dec 30 06:18:17 * pupnik slow hand claps Dec 30 06:19:18 * Termana beats pupnik silly Dec 30 06:19:35 BLASPHEMY! Dec 30 06:19:50 You're not the one who can decide that Dec 30 06:19:54 * MohammadAG beats Termana Dec 30 06:25:28 heheh Dec 30 06:26:10 I have no evidence that this issue is a priority for the coming meego / N9 Dec 30 06:28:30 And it doesn't look like a trivial thing to fix Dec 30 06:29:29 find / -name '*pulse*' -exec rm {} ; Dec 30 06:29:35 try the PA package with the FIFO implementation Dec 30 06:29:39 or was it LILO Dec 30 06:29:51 too many *I*O cap, can't remember Dec 30 06:30:05 thanks MohammadAG - will do Dec 30 06:30:15 any more keywords to search with? Dec 30 06:30:31 it's on bugzilla Dec 30 06:30:32 umm Dec 30 06:30:37 music stutters browsing Dec 30 06:30:41 search for those Dec 30 06:30:46 thanks again Dec 30 06:31:12 * MohammadAG tries to find it Dec 30 06:31:53 find / -name '*pulse*' -o -name 'pa*' -exec rm {} ; Dec 30 06:32:00 bug 7190 Dec 30 06:32:01 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/7190 music stutters while multi-tasking, especially browsing web Dec 30 06:32:11 should be the last comment there Dec 30 06:32:12 iirc Dec 30 06:32:22 * DocScrutinizer yawns Dec 30 06:39:24 * ShadowJK always suspected music stuttering was mostly insufficient caching of the input file by the media player, as internet streeamed radio almost never stutters for me Dec 30 06:40:11 hmm Dec 30 06:40:16 mediaplayer or mafw? Dec 30 06:44:29 nfi Dec 30 06:49:13 ewwww dawn Dec 30 06:49:18 n8 Dec 30 06:49:35 Has anyone ever successfully unlocked a Nokia C6? I attempted to purchase a code from a retailer, but they said they couldn't do it and refunded my money Dec 30 06:50:22 iratie: might be a better idea to try #symbian (if it exists) Dec 30 06:50:43 does it even run maemo? Dec 30 06:51:02 I'm not sure what maemo is, I searched for nokia IRC and found this room Dec 30 06:51:10 No it doesn't run maemo Dec 30 06:51:15 it's a OS Dec 30 06:51:17 it's symbian... Dec 30 06:51:32 only the n8/900 runs maemo Dec 30 06:51:35 er Dec 30 06:51:37 n8-900 Dec 30 06:51:46 The best way to unlock is to buy it unlocked in the first place :-) Dec 30 06:51:48 damn it, n8x0/n900 :) Dec 30 06:51:56 good morning doc|home :D Dec 30 06:52:07 morning Appiah Dec 30 06:52:37 n8-900 was good though Dec 30 06:52:42 Got it cheap because I thought I could put a FIdo sim in a Rogers phone what with them being the same GSM provider and all Dec 30 06:52:49 RST38h: could be confusing :/ Dec 30 06:53:14 iratie: that should be possible Dec 30 06:53:49 then again, maybe they're even more anal than they used to be Dec 30 06:54:54 n8 is a beautiful looking device imo Dec 30 06:56:07 it's nice in the hand Dec 30 06:58:54 doc: no deal, super anal Dec 30 07:08:50 iratie: maemo runs on the Nokia N900 - a linux-based phone Dec 30 07:08:54 hi Dec 30 07:09:54 hi ddsfs Dec 30 07:10:33 what's this bb5 business about, anyone know? Dec 30 07:10:58 the C6 (RM-624) is not listed on any lists of BB5 phones but nor do most unlockers acknowledge it exists Dec 30 07:58:15 So how do you get it? We’ve packaged it for Debian Squeeze/Ubuntu 10.04 package and for Fedora 13, i386 and x86_64. Dec 30 07:58:20 Can it play it? Dec 30 08:06:08 lolcat: Probably not. We need an ARM deb(debian/ubuntu) package Dec 30 08:06:27 lolcat: If you can get the source, compiling it is possible. Dec 30 08:09:17 * timeless_mbp sighs Dec 30 08:09:33 that the maemo sdk vmware image was not LTS really sucks Dec 30 08:12:05 timeless_mbp: Maemo dev envs sub-optimal shock Dec 30 08:12:29 Jaffa: i wanted to do an apt equation solver Dec 30 08:12:51 but i couldn't apt-get update because the distro it was using didn't exist Dec 30 08:13:01 timeless_mbp: Nokia took *far* too long to realise that giving good, cross-platform dev tools was the single most important factor Dec 30 08:13:16 timeless_mbp: Doh Dec 30 08:13:37 * Jaffa wonders what version is being used in the customised image he's using. Dec 30 08:14:21 so i just updated to Jaunty Dec 30 08:14:26 w/o rebooting into it Dec 30 08:14:34 can i do another update before rebooting, or is that bad? Dec 30 08:17:32 timeless_mbp: I *think* that's risky. Dec 30 08:17:51 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1185036 seems to indicate i can't use dist-upgrade Dec 30 08:19:01 * timeless_mbp tries do-release-upgrade Dec 30 08:19:54 oh nice, it doesn't like my gcc packages Dec 30 08:20:42 wow, that's cool, it estimated the download time for ~200mb as 3min Dec 30 08:40:14 hrm, i think my solver works Dec 30 08:41:27 http://pastebin.mozilla.org/904177 Dec 30 08:44:42 hrm, no Dec 30 08:44:46 it's not working properly Dec 30 08:46:35 Packrat has a builtin solver. Dec 30 09:20:37 is packrat a maemo thing? Dec 30 09:20:43 i think my solver now works Dec 30 09:21:09 note that what i want to solve is a nonstandard problem Dec 30 09:21:20 it's a coverage question instead of an optimal question Dec 30 09:22:40 what does it solve? Dec 30 09:22:57 ah Dec 30 09:22:58 i see Dec 30 09:23:17 http://pastebin.mozilla.org/904217 Dec 30 09:23:30 the input is all packages suggested by all tasks Dec 30 09:24:05 the output is all packages which are available from Packages which could be pulled in via Pre?Depends/Recommends to satisfy those packages Dec 30 09:24:46 the initial question was "what portion of the world is covered by tasks" Dec 30 09:24:53 the answer is slightly over 10% Dec 30 09:25:02 which was in line with our guess Dec 30 09:25:54 world here is debian-stable Dec 30 09:28:12 jacekowski: do you have a debian install? Dec 30 09:28:53 i do Dec 30 09:42:19 hi! anyone know how to open a popup like this http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=6606&stc=1&d=1264772312 on n900? Dec 30 09:43:48 Hello , anybody managed to shoot HD videos with N900 ? Dec 30 09:45:33 daxt_: Not possible, I'm pretty sure Dec 30 09:45:51 RobbieThe1st - i highly doubt Dec 30 09:45:56 At least, not without some sort of custom driver, and even then, you are talking about a few FPS Dec 30 09:46:06 N900 camera is pretty much capable in capturing HD frames Dec 30 09:46:23 so why cannot it put them together into a video ? Dec 30 09:46:31 Ah, but at what speed? Dec 30 09:46:35 single frames, yeah.. but at least 25/second is something else.. Dec 30 09:46:54 isn't it possible to put them in 25 fps ? Dec 30 09:47:06 uh.. what? Dec 30 09:47:44 theoritically N900 has the hardware to capture HD video Dec 30 09:47:49 yet why its not implemented yet ? Dec 30 09:47:52 ? Dec 30 09:48:00 huh Dec 30 09:48:04 where does that statement come from? Dec 30 09:48:18 does it have the hardware to provide 25 HD frames/second? Dec 30 09:48:21 Because the driver is closed-source? Dec 30 09:48:29 that as well Dec 30 09:48:36 so lets make an open source driver :D Dec 30 09:49:02 you're not waiting on us to start working on that are you? Dec 30 09:49:18 Well, the real issue is, though - the camera itself isn't good enough to do much more than it is. Dec 30 09:49:38 Heck, even your 5mpix images have to be steeply downsampled to get rid of the noise Dec 30 09:49:54 hmm Dec 30 09:50:01 there must be a way to get this done Dec 30 09:50:22 coz i see smaller devices with much slower speeds recording HD videos Dec 30 09:50:28 such as handycams Dec 30 09:50:42 if they can do it , why N900 cannot ? :| Dec 30 09:50:45 It's all in the -hardware- Dec 30 09:50:49 as in the camera module. Dec 30 09:51:33 Those devices have a custom ASIC that simply takes the incoming frames and does all the processing. Ours only does 800x480. Dec 30 09:52:02 * timeless_mbp chuckles @ http://xkcd.com/778/ Dec 30 09:52:12 so that means i have to wait till N1000 releases :( Dec 30 09:52:18 also, it's a ET8EK8 by Toshiba Dec 30 09:52:58 or if i can connect a HD handycam to N900 , then i dont need N900 to shoot videos :D Dec 30 09:53:17 daxt_: hd video in n900 is not going to be very good Dec 30 09:53:34 you get decent quality of pictures only because of reasonably long exposure times Dec 30 09:53:43 hmm Dec 30 09:53:45 Actually, if you want HD video... Just upsample it on your computer, run it through graycstoration... and you'll have just as good a result Dec 30 09:53:58 can someone assist with scratchbox setup? Dec 30 09:53:58 lens is too small to handle anything more Dec 30 09:54:06 Robbie that is a good idea Dec 30 09:54:10 to record good HD video Dec 30 09:54:13 you need Dec 30 09:54:19 ah yes.. http://xkcd.com/781/ Dec 30 09:54:24 good morning everyone :) Dec 30 09:54:44 big good *glass* lens Dec 30 09:55:20 sensitive low noise sensor ( that can be mitigated by even bigger lens ) Dec 30 09:55:23 heh http://xkcd.com/783/ Dec 30 09:55:34 and hardware capable of encoding that video in real time Dec 30 09:56:31 Theoretically, couldn't the DSP be used to do quite a bit of the encoding work? Dec 30 09:56:46 yeah jacekowski Dec 30 09:56:59 RobbieThe1st: it could Dec 30 09:57:05 RobbieThe1st: but it's not going to help a lot Dec 30 09:57:16 ? Dec 30 09:57:22 you need hardware encoder for it to work Dec 30 09:58:01 how about a n900-HD addon , just make a alittle bit bigger and attach it on the back Dec 30 09:58:16 * Appiah ducks Dec 30 10:01:00 lol Dec 30 10:04:34 ...Yea, I need a new screen. My screen cracked over a week ago and has been slowly getting worse over time. I got a replacement ordered tonight. Dec 30 10:05:01 RobbieThe1st: how did you manage to crack it? Dec 30 10:05:52 It was inside a soft case at the time, and I think something(spare battery corner? USB cable-connector? bit of gum? ) got jammed against it Dec 30 10:06:04 odd thing is, the digitizer is perfectly fine Dec 30 10:06:21 mhm Dec 30 10:06:45 so only the lcd is cracked, but touching works fine? interesting. Dec 30 10:07:03 Yup - I checked on the paint app Dec 30 10:07:26 I had to recalibrate it once, as it was slightly off... but it's pretty much dead on now Dec 30 10:09:12 In case you're curious: http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/images/IMGP2669-small.jpeg Dec 30 10:09:53 It started out like this, two weeks ago: http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/images/IMGP2668.JPG Dec 30 10:14:26 RobbieThe1st: I'm sorry for your N900 Dec 30 10:14:52 Yea, I know. Dec 30 10:15:27 Oh, well... It's going to be a $40 and one harrowing experiance replacing it(Not too worried about doing it, worried about not being careful enough) Dec 30 10:16:12 $40? that's cheaper than i'd thought Dec 30 10:16:27 there're vids on youtube about how to disassemble an n900 Dec 30 10:17:01 Yea; I've seen a video and have the official leaked disassembly manual Dec 30 10:17:19 Actually, wait... It was ~50 all told including shipping Dec 30 10:17:24 Close enough, though Dec 30 10:18:56 well good luck with the replacement.. I'd offer tips if I had any :P Dec 30 10:19:17 :P Dec 30 10:19:43 my n900 is now about a month old, so no need for disassembling yet Dec 30 10:20:41 there is a power kernel , have u installed it yet ? Dec 30 10:20:58 nope haven't seen any need to yet Dec 30 10:22:02 Robbie what happened to the screen man ? Dec 30 10:24:09 [02:03:00] It was inside a soft case at the time, and I think something(spare battery corner? USB cable-connector? bit of gum? ) got jammed against it Dec 30 10:24:09 [02:03:12] odd thing is, the digitizer is perfectly fine Dec 30 10:24:32 I have a TV like that btw, it's very decorative :P Dec 30 10:25:14 This is only the -second- LCD I've ever had cracked; last was in a laptop many years ago my brother kicked in the screen. Dec 30 10:25:26 Robbie ru going to replace the LCD ? Dec 30 10:25:28 tmux is much better Dec 30 10:25:29 Yup Dec 30 10:25:34 good luck Dec 30 10:25:35 See above Dec 30 10:25:48 RobbieThe1st: are you an EE? Dec 30 10:26:02 No, but I've taken a couple of courses Dec 30 10:27:31 And I've disassembled more than my share of equipment. I even disassembled(and -reassembled- a 17" desktop LCD(I mean the module itself!) Dec 30 10:27:31 any clues on what will be the successor of N900 ? Dec 30 10:27:49 Nope; there's some codename, but nothing concrete Dec 30 10:28:21 I don't care, personally - My OC'd n900 with tweaked settings is plenty fast for me Dec 30 10:28:30 How many of you keep only the N900 with you and nothing else ? Dec 30 10:28:36 * RobbieThe1st raises hand Dec 30 10:28:42 * Spookje too Dec 30 10:28:52 well ok, the work phone.. Dec 30 10:29:34 I've actually been looking around for a cheap secondhand one to fiddle around with.. Dec 30 10:29:52 i also shud get a 2nd hand N900 Dec 30 10:29:53 keep one for using, one for anything else :P Dec 30 10:29:55 who is selling one ? Dec 30 10:30:00 I'd like one cheap too! :P Dec 30 10:30:10 prolly everyone in here :P Dec 30 10:30:11 But I don't have the ~250-300 I'd need Dec 30 10:30:34 Nokia must be keeping some N900 reserves Dec 30 10:30:39 lets wikileak them Dec 30 10:30:41 :D Dec 30 10:30:56 I could use another N900 for development, yes Dec 30 10:31:36 Heck, what I -really- want is a N900 prototype model. I've seen one YT video of one, and I'd love to play with one Dec 30 10:31:45 in my country its arround 600 eur, far too much for me to pay to have a spare one :) Dec 30 10:31:49 wh Dec 30 10:31:52 ouch.. Dec 30 10:31:57 but the price has dropped Dec 30 10:31:57 RobbieThe1st: what for? Dec 30 10:32:02 anybody selling the N900 u have ? Dec 30 10:32:04 secondhand here is about 200 euro's Dec 30 10:32:29 delphi: cant you get it for about 400eur nowdays? Dec 30 10:32:33 Venemo_N900: Cause it just looks cool, and being able to say I have a prototype would be awesome. Dec 30 10:32:39 RobbieThe1st: hell no you don't Dec 30 10:32:39 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkeNzviga8g Dec 30 10:32:41 Appiah here, no. Dec 30 10:32:46 delphi: where are you? Dec 30 10:32:50 Serbia Dec 30 10:32:56 dont know about second hand tho Dec 30 10:33:08 but second hand here means stolen and locked.. Dec 30 10:33:09 :/ Dec 30 10:33:14 I saw that video. It's cool Dec 30 10:33:19 no n900 is locked Dec 30 10:33:37 it may be locked Dec 30 10:33:38 in my country i guess there are only less than 100 N900s are available Dec 30 10:33:39 :D Dec 30 10:33:52 Import from elsewhere? Dec 30 10:33:56 daxt_: where is that? Dec 30 10:34:03 how come? operators lock the phones so you can only use their sims.. Dec 30 10:34:07 Venemo - Sri Lanka :D Dec 30 10:34:28 import would cost alot of money Dec 30 10:34:35 as we are not in EU Dec 30 10:35:34 how many of u have overclocked ur N900 ? Dec 30 10:35:40 me Dec 30 10:35:45 delphi: I thought Serbia is in the EU, hm. Dec 30 10:35:56 daxt_: some, and some overclocked n900 failed Dec 30 10:35:59 anyways, i got my new one for arround 200 eur from Telenor Dec 30 10:36:05 Venemo_N900 not yet Dec 30 10:36:14 that's nice Dec 30 10:36:16 jace what was the reasons to fail ? Dec 30 10:36:19 in a few years maybe Dec 30 10:36:23 overclocking Dec 30 10:36:51 I did a custom-oc; nice comfortable voltages at each setting. I have it at 250-950 normally, and can run it stabily at up to 1150 Dec 30 10:36:51 higher frequency == higher currents == more wear Dec 30 10:37:07 and then you add additional heat produced Dec 30 10:37:16 that adds more wear to it as wel Dec 30 10:37:18 well* Dec 30 10:37:30 True, but remember that this chip-design is designed to go up to 1000mhz Dec 30 10:37:35 no it's not Dec 30 10:37:35 delphi: well then I was mistaken Dec 30 10:37:44 RobbieThe1st: that's bullshit Dec 30 10:37:48 Venemo_N900 btw, maybe you misunderstood me, by EU i mean European Union, not Europe (it is in Europe) :) Dec 30 10:37:54 Ours may be rated for 500-600, but they make the same basic design up to 1ghz Dec 30 10:37:55 it's designed to run at 600MHz max Dec 30 10:38:06 delphi: yes, I also meant the Union. Dec 30 10:38:09 silicon design yes Dec 30 10:38:14 delphi: :) Dec 30 10:38:15 but manufacturing process isn't Dec 30 10:38:19 :)) Dec 30 10:38:23 silicon is different in faster version Dec 30 10:38:29 is it possible for N900 to tune into UHF ? Dec 30 10:38:33 Are you sure about that? Dec 30 10:38:37 yes Dec 30 10:38:43 And not just different binning? Dec 30 10:38:47 no Dec 30 10:38:59 that's why you can run it at higher frequency Dec 30 10:39:06 but it's not going to last very long Dec 30 10:39:23 guys can N900 tune into TV Channels ? Dec 30 10:39:28 ti has some docs on that subject Dec 30 10:39:29 I'll start worrying when loads of n900s start dying Dec 30 10:39:30 daxt_: no Dec 30 10:39:35 RobbieThe1st: they do Dec 30 10:39:49 daxt_ maybe via usb TV card Dec 30 10:39:54 RobbieThe1st: ussualy not die completly Dec 30 10:40:03 RobbieThe1st: but they start doing strange thing Dec 30 10:40:04 Nah; I haven't seen them. I have seen people over-oc and get it unstable at said frequenc Dec 30 10:40:06 hmm Dec 30 10:40:16 RobbieThe1st: read logs of this channel Dec 30 10:40:18 well the N900's default speed is fast enough for me Dec 30 10:40:40 yeah, n900 speed is fine Dec 30 10:41:00 RobbieThe1st: just if it starts working unstable even on normal frequencies, don't blame nokia Dec 30 10:41:05 i never oc'd mine.. Dec 30 10:41:07 Possible. Either way, mine's doing fine as it is, and while it -may- die sooner than it would otherwise, I'm much happier at it's performance Dec 30 10:41:34 Heck, I've always assumed I had no warranty, getting it used and all Dec 30 10:42:08 and considering I'm running quite a bit from devel(including my own stuff)... Yea. I'm a big boy and will take care of myself Dec 30 10:42:21 No need to whine at someone else if things don't work right Dec 30 10:43:23 hehe, yeah Dec 30 10:50:46 Hi, the microUSB connector of my n900 is becoming loose. What is Nokias standpoint on this? Will they fix this with warranty? Dec 30 10:51:16 Flyser__: yup Dec 30 10:51:22 common problem, they got some heat from the customers Dec 30 10:51:56 will they repair it or replace the whole device? Dec 30 10:52:01 Flyser__: yes, they will Dec 30 10:52:16 at least some good news :) Dec 30 10:52:27 Flyser__: dunno, probably they'll repair if they can Dec 30 10:53:46 well. it will come off sooner or later again if they just repair it Dec 30 10:54:19 Same if they replace it... Dec 30 10:54:30 not necessarily Dec 30 10:54:44 Did they improve it? Dec 30 10:54:53 I plug my usb in and out >10 times a day and it works fine Dec 30 10:55:42 RobbieThe1st: well. *maybe* they dont use surface mounted connectors in recent versions ... Dec 30 10:56:06 I... don't think so. I suspect we'd hear of it by now if they did Dec 30 11:02:47 too bad ... Dec 30 11:03:16 well. maybe I get a new n900. mine has some other flaws. it would be cool, if they would go away too ;) Dec 30 11:06:53 Flyser__: what flaws are them? Dec 30 11:10:00 Venemo_N900: it fell down a few times, so the metal frame of the display is a bit dented ;) Dec 30 11:10:20 it was my fault. so I don't expect nokia to fix this ;) Dec 30 11:10:41 heh Dec 30 11:11:02 well I once dropped my device badly, and it began malfunctioning Dec 30 11:11:06 I am also starting to see a brighter spot on the display Dec 30 11:11:41 I took it to a repai centre but "forgot" to mention that I dropped it. they replaced it with a new one Dec 30 11:11:46 :D Dec 30 11:12:11 ^^ Dec 30 11:12:58 I also think, that my headset or the headset port of my n900 is broken Dec 30 11:13:11 it does not detect if the original nokia headset is plugged in Dec 30 11:13:29 but the headset works in my notebook and other headphones work in my n900 Dec 30 11:13:36 so this is a slightly weird bug^^ Dec 30 11:14:37 s/in/with/ ;) Dec 30 11:15:33 interesting Dec 30 11:20:30 Anyway to capture the commands sent to pnatd via bluetooth DUN? Dec 30 11:22:33 hey Dec 30 11:22:40 my maemo sdk machine is now running LTS Dec 30 11:26:27 LTS=? Dec 30 11:27:21 ~lts Dec 30 11:27:22 i guess lts is Leaning Toothpick Syndrome. Dec 30 11:27:28 grr Dec 30 11:27:33 long term support Dec 30 11:27:53 thx Dec 30 12:03:36 Hohoho: http://thenokiablog.com/2010/12/29/nokia-tablet-android-3/ Dec 30 12:05:27 RST38h: if this is true, the guys at Nokia became total nuts Dec 30 13:30:14 Hi, Is it possible to find out the serial number of a nokia n900 by software (i.e. without looking under the battery) Dec 30 13:30:42 good question Dec 30 13:30:57 you mean the IMEI code? Dec 30 13:31:16 if there was, It would have been nice to do a one click to download the firmware Dec 30 13:31:16 no. the number I have to enter here: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php Dec 30 13:31:34 so the IMEI number :p Dec 30 13:31:37 *#06# in phone application Dec 30 13:31:46 Flyser__: you can find out mac addresses with ifconfig, but I dunno about imei Dec 30 13:31:52 oh. didn't know it was the IMEI ;) Dec 30 13:31:55 Noma: right! thanks Dec 30 13:32:35 Also - settings -> about product Dec 30 13:33:02 thanks. that worked^^ Dec 30 13:35:16 are there any bootloader images available? Dec 30 13:36:33 I think the PR also flashes the bootloader but you'll need someone more knowledgeable than me for that, like DocScrutinizer Dec 30 13:37:37 the reason is, that I installed nitdroid and want to remove it completly Dec 30 13:37:46 completely Dec 30 13:38:44 understandable Dec 30 13:38:48 Flyser__, bootmenu has nothing to do with flashing the bootloader Dec 30 13:39:14 Termana: no? Dec 30 13:39:18 Flyser__, you need to uninstall all the packages NITdroid installed in Maemo Dec 30 13:39:32 Flyser__, no. Dec 30 13:39:39 NOLO is signed Dec 30 13:39:48 how does it work then? Dec 30 13:39:50 NITdroid couldn't touch it if they wanted to Dec 30 13:40:11 Either they are using bootmenu or u-boot chain loading Dec 30 13:40:41 If it's the first, it's just a Maemo executable that gets booted to by default, if it's the second you need to reflash your kernel Dec 30 13:40:45 and what part of the system do I have to reflash to reset it to factory default Dec 30 13:40:59 ok Dec 30 13:41:19 where can I find a kernel image? Dec 30 13:41:29 To get rid of bootmenu it is a package that you need to install, if it's u-boot you need to flash the kernel Dec 30 13:41:49 Flyser__, in the COMBINED image available on tablets-dev Dec 30 13:41:54 ~flashing Dec 30 13:41:54 flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Dec 30 13:42:13 Flyser__: the combined pr contains the kernel, rootfs, and other things Dec 30 13:42:39 ahhh, I thought it contains just the rootfs Dec 30 13:42:41 thanks :) Dec 30 13:42:52 yw Dec 30 14:02:03 * alterego watches shutter island. Dec 30 14:48:43 Hey is there a way of minimizing a video while it's playing (like the promotional video that comes on the N900 demonstrates) Dec 30 14:49:09 Lantizia: it automatically pauses. Dec 30 14:49:24 'allo 'allo Dec 30 14:49:32 alterego, watch the video again Dec 30 14:49:32 Hey lardman :) Dec 30 14:49:33 irony! http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/Fahrplan/attachments/1649_Sec-T_2010_Julia_Wolf_final.pdf Dec 30 14:49:37 hi alterego Dec 30 14:49:42 you'll see they press near the top left while the video is playing Dec 30 14:49:50 and it allows them access to the 6 box menu icon Dec 30 14:49:56 Lantizia: what minimizing? Dec 30 14:50:00 alterego: is columbus your app? Dec 30 14:50:07 thus when you look at the multitask screen you can see the video still playing Dec 30 14:50:09 lardman: yeaah Dec 30 14:50:31 ahh Dec 30 14:50:54 Lantizia: well, don't believe in everything you see on TV? :P Dec 30 14:51:11 well tbh I noticed this on day one well over 12 months ago Dec 30 14:51:20 but i just figured by now this functionality would have appeared Dec 30 14:51:32 There are lots of things wrong with that video tbh Dec 30 14:51:45 Like the Portrait to landscape transition when the incoming call comes. Dec 30 14:51:47 any ideas why they changed the music it uses too? Dec 30 14:52:13 the revised eMMC changes it Dec 30 14:52:19 alterego: do you have the code online? I'd like to look at how you render the compass Dec 30 14:52:56 lardman: well, you can pick up the source code from extras-devel Dec 30 14:53:03 I've not yet stuck it into gitorious Dec 30 14:53:14 ok cool Dec 30 14:55:53 You want libcolumbus btw Dec 30 14:55:57 Oh wait. Dec 30 14:56:03 No you want just columbus :D Dec 30 14:56:07 got it, thanks Dec 30 14:56:12 src/ui/widgets/ Dec 30 14:56:16 cool Dec 30 14:57:43 so can you scroll the compass or is it just a display widget? Dec 30 14:58:00 How do you mean scroll? Dec 30 14:58:33 well I've been writing an augmented reality app, but lacking a compass I plan on using a compass widget to allow the user to align the display Dec 30 14:58:54 so I was thinking that the user should be able to scroll the compass from side to side to change the direction Dec 30 14:59:24 Yeah, I was thinking of doing something similar in my app for setting a target bearing. Dec 30 15:01:19 In retrospect I think that rather than a complete widget, I should render something like your compass slider at the bottom of my QGLWidget which also shows the camera Dec 30 15:01:26 But no, it's not scrollable :) Dec 30 15:01:42 then it can be selected in code if there's no hw e-compass present Dec 30 15:01:50 Cool Dec 30 15:01:54 alterego: np, the draw code will be useful, thanks :) Dec 30 15:02:00 :) Dec 30 15:02:14 I've yet to optimize that tbh Dec 30 15:02:34 I was planning on improving it a little. Dec 30 15:02:49 Actually, you can implement draggability to it quite easy. Dec 30 15:03:01 yes, I guess using a mouse move event Dec 30 15:03:33 Just process move events and set X difference to +/- heading() and use setHeading() Dec 30 15:04:03 the widget needs to know how many degrees are displayed across the width Dec 30 15:05:35 and for me that will depend on the angular field of view of the camera Dec 30 15:05:36 pupnik: hahaha :-P Dec 30 15:05:48 which I must get round to measuring :) Dec 30 15:06:12 pupnik: not really an 'interactive' presentation Dec 30 15:06:45 pupnik: or maybe it was and I didn't notice what it did to my system :-o Dec 30 15:07:15 one really should sandbox all browsing Dec 30 15:07:34 or throw your hands in the air (like you just don't care) Dec 30 15:09:48 well, at very least all my boxes need the ROOT pw for sudo Dec 30 15:10:13 s/boxes/systems Dec 30 15:10:41 (yes! incl N900) Dec 30 15:13:52 Kind of defaults the point in sudo doesn't it? Dec 30 15:13:57 ~defeats .. Dec 30 15:14:09 not at all Dec 30 15:14:43 sudo as in braindamaged buntkuh defeats the purpose of root account Dec 30 15:15:06 that's what i thought Dec 30 15:25:44 sudo su / sudo gainroot with NO password is as bad and fubar as the same with querying user password Dec 30 15:26:42 you are free to visit my tools wikipage for a 2-liner to fix that Dec 30 15:28:12 I juse use ssg tbh Dec 30 15:28:13 (so the "bar" part wasn't meant literally :-D ) Dec 30 15:28:14 ~ssh Dec 30 15:28:15 it has been said that ssh is http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/OpenSSH and http://www.openssh.org or see ssh-keygen, or see ssh-agent, or a way of telling someone to be quiet Dec 30 15:28:24 alias rootme='ssh root@localhose' Dec 30 15:28:31 ~host Dec 30 15:28:31 alterego's host is: 212.110.185.209 Dec 30 15:28:45 Heh Dec 30 15:28:47 Heh Dec 30 15:29:32 that doesn't mean no malware can use sudo su and make you enter your user password Dec 30 15:30:00 My user doesn't have a password Dec 30 15:30:00 ~botsnack Dec 30 15:30:00 thanks, DocScrutinizer Dec 30 15:30:29 even better Dec 30 15:30:48 so I gather sudo gainroot works without any password Dec 30 15:31:46 malware's wet dreams Dec 30 15:32:27 I don't have gainroot Dec 30 15:33:05 I burp Dec 30 15:33:29 is 'root' alias for sudo gainroot? Dec 30 15:36:15 mostly Dec 30 15:36:50 pexi: cat $(which root) Dec 30 15:37:00 exec sudo gainroot --use-su Dec 30 15:37:10 alterego: you're aware a virus could bring his own rootsh.deb and install it without you noticing? Dec 30 15:37:11 too many layers of stuff which exist only to run stuff for my tastes... Dec 30 15:38:08 so yes it is Dec 30 15:38:23 DocScrutinizer: if such a virus existed, yes. Dec 30 15:39:57 now that's the most lame placation I ever heard every day Dec 30 15:41:07 not "security by obscurity", no, a mere "security by >>doesn't exist yet<<" haha Dec 30 15:41:21 ~botsnack Dec 30 15:41:22 thanks, Venemo Dec 30 15:41:27 apt is the new infobot? Dec 30 15:41:48 infobot thought she's wearing her secont name this week Dec 30 15:41:57 second* Dec 30 15:42:08 so she stole the name from apt, Dec 30 15:42:09 ? Dec 30 15:42:26 ~dict apt Dec 30 15:42:28 Dictionary 'apt' (3 of 11): Automatically Programmed Tools ;; mentally quick and resourceful; "an apt pupil"; "you are a clever man...you reason well and your wit is bold"-Bram Stoker ;; Address Pass Through. Dec 30 15:43:23 apt = advanced package tool :) afaik :) Dec 30 15:43:49 another pissing TLA Dec 30 15:45:14 ~info apt Dec 30 15:45:23 apt: (Advanced front-end for dpkg), section admin, is important. Version: 0.8.10 (sid), Packaged size: 2110 kB, Installed size: 6048 kB Dec 30 15:45:59 ~info dpkg Dec 30 15:46:02 dpkg: (Debian package management system), section admin, is required. Version: 1.15.8.7 (sid), Packaged size: 2276 kB, Installed size: 6860 kB Dec 30 15:46:43 ~apt Dec 30 15:46:45 methinks apt is a pu'ssy licker Dec 30 15:47:00 lol Dec 30 15:47:02 ~info rpm Dec 30 15:47:05 rpm: (package manager for RPM), section admin, is optional. Version: 4.8.1-6 (sid), Packaged size: 821 kB, Installed size: 1200 kB Dec 30 15:47:12 heh! Dec 30 15:47:21 she is clever Dec 30 15:47:32 she's apt Dec 30 15:47:52 why is she renamed from infobot to apt? Dec 30 15:48:19 some flaw or ooopsie @ TimRiker Dec 30 15:48:58 infobot got lobotomized some 3 days ago Dec 30 15:49:08 oh. Dec 30 15:49:46 not entirely clear as apt and infobot are same instance of process afaik Dec 30 15:49:55 ~uptime Dec 30 15:50:02 ~+uptime Dec 30 15:50:04 - Uptime for infobot - Dec 30 15:50:04 Now: 14d 5h 57m 1s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux Dec 30 15:50:04 1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010 Dec 30 15:50:04 2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 2009 Dec 30 15:50:04 3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug 4 17:38:59 2009 Dec 30 15:51:59 next restart of ibot at latest will make infobot personality resurrect Dec 30 15:52:15 ok Dec 30 15:52:39 did kexec ever get fixed? Dec 30 15:52:55 it's puzzling me how all infobot identities can break away while ibot keeps running the personalities apt Dec 30 15:53:35 looks to me like freenode stuff klined or globalkicked infobot Dec 30 15:53:58 or staff even Dec 30 15:54:18 … Dec 30 15:54:18 maybe you guys should contact the staff at #freenode and tell them that infobot is harmless Dec 30 15:55:12 NB a ~chaninfo shows ibot is thinking it has joined all the channels that know her as infobot, though evidently she's missing in all those channels Dec 30 15:55:35 Venemo: I did that 2 days ago Dec 30 15:55:47 Venemo: they deny any responsibility Dec 30 15:56:05 have you hit the bot with strace as it boots, to see if it is trying to join? Dec 30 15:56:16 couldn't you just ask them to unban it? Dec 30 15:56:38 SpeedEvil: I dunno what Tim is doing. I'm sure he has better means to trace ibot Dec 30 15:56:55 ah Dec 30 15:57:06 I keep forgetting how awful QTableView's are next. Dec 30 15:57:24 interesting detail: tim vanished from irc same time as infobot Dec 30 15:57:47 ~seen timriker Dec 30 15:57:51 timriker <~timr@bzflag/projectlead/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #infobot, 2d 13h 55s ago, saying: 'yw'. Dec 30 15:59:24 I got NFC what's going on really Dec 30 15:59:58 interesting Dec 30 16:00:41 * alterego is starting to feel hungry Dec 30 16:00:55 * SpeedEvil feeds alterego carrots. Dec 30 16:02:22 what I know however is you can trick ibot to join a channel twice: as apt *and* infobot. That's not a nice thing to watch Dec 30 16:03:14 so if and when ever infobot shows up here, any chanop is suggested to immediately /kick apt Dec 30 16:05:59 ok, for some funny tests Dec 30 16:06:04 I'm guessing freenode rejected the join as flood throttling during a split perhaps, and infobot's irc stack doesn't realize it Dec 30 16:06:21 I'd try telling infobot to leave the channel,then tell it to join Dec 30 16:06:43 requires some better than normal user privs with it though Dec 30 16:06:51 ShadowJK: something along that line, yes Dec 30 16:07:43 ShadowJK: the problem is: infobot is not logged in Dec 30 16:08:05 ShadowJK: so I can't tell infobot to join #maemo Dec 30 16:08:31 and I have no privileges to tell apt to change nick :-P Dec 30 16:09:23 I have 'privileges' to completely tear down ibot, so it would reboot/restart. I'm reluctant to do this Dec 30 16:10:21 even that would restart the frontend only, but not the mysql database Dec 30 16:10:46 if there's a problem in mysql then thw whole 4h of restart wouldn't help Dec 30 16:11:00 hi Dec 30 16:11:36 how are smses stored on disk? any way I can grep them for some content? or perhaps an app Dec 30 16:11:39 ? Dec 30 16:11:41 When I ran infobot it used bdb :D Dec 30 16:12:03 umm, I'm not quite sure Dec 30 16:12:22 think it was mysql on Tim's machine Dec 30 16:13:25 well Dec 30 16:13:31 apt: botsnack Dec 30 16:13:32 aw, gee, DocScrutinizer Dec 30 16:13:38 everything fine Dec 30 16:13:53 ;-) Dec 30 16:24:46 Hi *, does anybody know a way to permanently enable the reflow in microb (so that I don't have to do ctrl+shift+i). Btw, new to the channel, new to the device :-) Dec 30 16:25:36 jhb: welcome to our world :) Dec 30 16:25:44 jhb: unfortunately I don't know the answer Dec 30 16:25:52 Venemo: thanks for the welcome :-) Dec 30 16:25:54 timeless_mbp: do you know something about this? Dec 30 16:26:13 on phone Dec 30 16:26:28 jhb: iirc there's no pref for it Dec 30 16:26:56 timeless_mbp: too bad, would have been nice Dec 30 16:27:08 but thx Dec 30 16:28:59 does fcam still require custom kernel modules with PR1.3? Dec 30 16:32:50 luke-jr, why wouldn't it? Dec 30 16:33:05 just thought maybe they merged it into their kernel Dec 30 16:33:15 like I did for Gentoo Dec 30 16:33:24 nope, they caused some more conflicts, but they work now Dec 30 16:34:21 -.- Dec 30 16:36:57 kernel_2.6.28-20103103+0m5 is PR1.3? Dec 30 16:41:06 MohammadAG: what conflicts? Dec 30 16:41:14 my fcam patch for PR1.2 applies cleanly Dec 30 16:41:33 when the patches for 1.3 were added into kernel-power some problems happened Dec 30 16:44:18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4oB28ksiIo Defcon 18 Pwned By the owner - What happens when you steal a hackers computer Dec 30 16:45:44 MohammadAG: what's that got to do with fcam? Dec 30 16:46:09 it doesn't, 1.3 had new cam patches Dec 30 16:47:17 O.o Dec 30 16:49:07 "In That Rabbit Game from Thomas Perl you are a kleptomanic rabbit head with wings." Dec 30 16:49:20 thp! what have you been smoking?!? Dec 30 16:50:04 Can I have some? =) Dec 30 17:18:44 lantizia: you might be able to use the browser with youtube minimized Dec 30 17:19:38 lantizia, iirc the functionality was *removed* from media player to "improve" battery life Dec 30 17:21:12 Is there a way - an official way - to get it to play video with the screen locked? Dec 30 17:21:23 I want to listen to TV programs sometimes Dec 30 17:21:26 media player Dec 30 17:22:00 I've exploited the silly 'incoming message sound unpauses player' before Dec 30 17:25:01 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12070732 Dec 30 17:25:07 Awww :) Dec 30 17:28:11 speedevil, hrm, doubtful Dec 30 17:28:20 you can suppress lock and stuff Dec 30 17:28:43 i actually gave the tv as radio argument when they insisted on breaking the feature Dec 30 17:29:12 Sigh. Dec 30 17:29:33 sorry, i tried Dec 30 17:29:39 Smart software that can't be overridden is so annoying. Dec 30 17:29:50 yeah - one voice of sanity has problems thogh. Dec 30 17:29:52 generally, i think that stuff can be done from browser Dec 30 17:30:27 I mean recorded programs Dec 30 17:30:36 I use get_iuplayer to get all my media Dec 30 17:32:51 try mohammadag's media player? Dec 30 17:33:10 * timeless_xchat pokes sivang Dec 30 17:33:24 I just use mplayer - which works OK Dec 30 17:39:31 protip: don't hold shift when pressing left volume key in xchat Dec 30 17:40:21 will it crash? Dec 30 17:41:24 yes Dec 30 17:42:55 :/ Dec 30 17:50:04 Hi, I have searched the web and the wiki and have been unable to find newbie instructions to sync the N900 PIM to Linux without using a 3rd party like GoogleCalender. Could someone offer a pointer or two? Dec 30 17:52:25 syncevolution Dec 30 17:52:45 but... it involves some work Dec 30 17:53:37 I did look there and that seems to be what I will probably use but the instructions are a bit lacking. Like do I install SyncEvo on the phone or the PC or both? Dec 30 17:54:51 Good to know that I am looking at the correct application though :D Dec 30 17:57:19 How can I run spotify on the maemo device with offline? Dec 30 18:08:21 Guest26074: known "feature" :-D Dec 30 18:08:44 err, Guest77484 Dec 30 18:09:42 Any suggestions for the best forum to ask? Dec 30 18:10:45 I want to advocate for the n900, maemo, etc., but the WAF not as good as I need. Dec 30 18:11:06 * alterego wonders what movie to watch now. Dec 30 18:12:06 * Guest26074 thinks that the Internet needs better searching tools. Dec 30 18:19:09 alterego: Bring It On Dec 30 18:19:45 Lame :P Dec 30 18:20:32 Hrm, Dec 30 18:21:22 Think I'll just make some pasta and see what's on the box Dec 30 18:22:08 * SpeedEvil imagines movie crossovers. Dec 30 18:22:15 Leon+Hackers Dec 30 18:23:40 alterego: try to find this stuff for your pasta... http://www.wretch.cc/blog/bajenny/8202799 Dec 30 18:23:46 "Dimensional Force Bean Paste" Dec 30 18:25:18 http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/wacky-edibles/e5a7/ adds to any sauce Dec 30 18:26:27 How about http://www.jdfoods.net/products/baconsalt.php ? Dec 30 18:26:55 bacon Dec 30 18:26:56 BACON! Dec 30 18:29:33 So, it looks like the SyncEvolution mailing list is probably the best bet to find newbie instructions. Dec 30 18:30:50 Damnit, ran out of pasta. Dec 30 18:30:53 * alterego cooks rice instead. Dec 30 18:36:38 Better for you anyway. Dec 30 18:36:43 Brown rice. Dec 30 18:36:57 With ants! Dec 30 18:37:23 Protein! Dec 30 18:37:41 [FAITH (noun) - Feeling that makes you eat brown rice without checking if it moves] Dec 30 18:44:03 RST38h: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPcF66cOLFU Bungee Jumping Russian Style Dec 30 18:44:42 RST38h, mine usually comes out of the cooker. Dec 30 18:45:45 pupnik: Looks painful. And I seem to recognize this particular ruin. Dec 30 18:47:02 http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2009/12/06/the_mystery_of_zomia/ "In the lawless mountain realms of Asia, a Yale professor finds a case against civilization" (beautiful pic!) Dec 30 18:49:11 GAN: ok, s/rice/raspberry jam =) Dec 30 19:06:00 Hrm, 300 is on tonight, not seen it yet. Dec 30 19:08:04 * SpeedEvil imagines a film with 42.8 Bonds. Dec 30 19:08:29 Heh Dec 30 19:19:05 and too much slomo Dec 30 19:20:37 why is gitorious so freaking slow today? Dec 30 19:23:26 Better being slow than offline like it was the other day :P Dec 30 19:23:38 any info about https://vcs.maemo.org:443 certificate being expired? Dec 30 19:38:24 probably the certificate expired ;-D Dec 30 19:54:10 yep Dec 30 19:54:14 it did Dec 30 19:54:28 but any info whether this is a known issue and we get a new one? Dec 30 20:22:48 RST38h: why oh why? ;) Dec 30 21:40:05 hi anyone know whats the deal with the virtual images for maemo sdk Dec 30 21:40:09 http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/documentation.html Dec 30 21:40:23 I dont see the big difference from the description on server and desktop Dec 30 21:42:26 anyone? Dec 30 21:43:58 JZA: if you read it carefully you'll see that it's "Ubuntu Server" and "Ubuntu Desktop" so maybe you should look at the differences between them ;) Dec 30 21:44:04 As they're the OS template ... Dec 30 21:44:47 alterego: well I read and didnt really tell me much..... only thing I got is non-linux Dec 30 21:45:16 It says plenty. Dec 30 21:45:25 # Virtual image with Ubuntu Server Intrepid installed - used as sandbox for building C/C++ applications and also other utilities for non-Linux host operation systems. It is used for ESbox Eclipse-based product to provide non-Linux host system programming for Maemo platform. Dec 30 21:45:25 # Virtual image with Ubuntu Desktop Intrepid installed - the same as previous one, but for non-Linux system usage Dec 30 21:45:49 is it me or both are for non-linux system Dec 30 21:46:00 That's because they're VMs .. Dec 30 21:46:54 Because you can't install scratchbox on Windows or OS X Dec 30 22:07:04 * Jaffa gives up with the long-running troll on #meego and goes to bed instead. Dec 30 22:19:08 heh, troll? Dec 30 22:22:49 meh, boring Dec 30 22:24:11 also it's quite paradox if the developer err maintainer of N900-uBoot is trolling. Well he's obviously not good at it Dec 30 22:24:54 *cough* Matan *cough* Dec 30 22:25:07 errr, ali1234? Dec 30 22:25:21 no, he's not Matan Dec 30 22:25:29 I'm just saying, good devs can troll Dec 30 22:25:46 hmmm Dec 30 22:26:37 * DocScrutinizer heads out for coffee & popcorn, then tries again to find the thrill in #meego Dec 30 22:26:39 OhOh, now this is stragnge. Dec 30 22:27:08 Think I might need to reflash my N900 .. Dec 30 22:28:00 alterego: why is that? Dec 30 22:28:36 Well, I removed my current development version of Columbus, because for some reason location services are now not starting when you run it as user. Dec 30 22:28:49 But they seem to start fine when working from qt creater as develoer. Dec 30 22:28:58 maybe some privilege issue Dec 30 22:29:08 I noticed someone complained of the same issue in my announce thread. Dec 30 22:29:22 So I've now reverted to the columbus that was previously working and uploaded to extras-devel Dec 30 22:29:26 It doesn't work either. Dec 30 22:30:08 Something veryu wrong :/ Dec 30 22:38:12 MohammadAG: looking at matan and querty, I'm quite happy with just getting called grumpy :-D Dec 30 22:39:08 matan's a troll Dec 30 22:39:20 qwerty12 was an excellent dev, he just got pissed at tmo Dec 30 22:39:24 and frankly, who doesn't :P Dec 30 22:41:59 aaawww tmo is such a nice place :-P Dec 30 22:42:59 you'll never mind that lil bit of contagious idiocy Dec 30 22:44:00 * DocScrutinizer hands MohammadAG a handful of salted almonds Dec 30 22:47:01 ...or do you prefer cashews? Dec 30 22:48:12 popcorn Dec 30 22:48:18 choclate with hazelnut? Dec 30 22:48:24 sorry no more popcorn Dec 30 22:48:31 eww, I hate chocolate Dec 30 22:48:42 o.O Dec 30 22:48:48 ouch. Dec 30 22:49:17 that was close Dec 30 22:49:30 almost uploaded an X86 source of hildon-status-menu to the SSU Dec 30 22:49:43 :-P Dec 30 22:50:08 I don't get it. seriously, who uses autotools? Dec 30 22:50:57 you'd think the buildhost or whatver might incorporate sime file command? Dec 30 22:51:06 some* Dec 30 22:52:31 autotools are kinda retarded tbh Dec 30 22:52:35 qmake > them Dec 30 22:52:39 although it does the same thing Dec 30 22:53:07 file $1 | grep 'ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV)' && mv /to/repo || echo "dumbass!" Dec 30 22:56:18 timeless_mbp: ping Dec 30 22:58:50 is there a meta package with alot of the "usual" codecs like mkv, etc. Dec 30 23:00:30 decoders-support Dec 30 23:08:14 ty Dec 30 23:40:15 whats the latest firmware for n900? Dec 30 23:44:00 pr1.3 aka sth with *32* Dec 30 23:50:09 mine says Dec 30 23:50:19 10.2010.19-1.002 Dec 30 23:52:01 20.2010.36-2 Dec 30 23:52:09 is PR1.3 Dec 30 23:52:19 DocScrutinizer, *3*2* :P Dec 30 23:53:12 ok, *36* :-) Dec 30 23:53:26 at least not *19* Dec 30 23:59:43 haha ye Dec 30 23:59:49 so should i upgrade? Dec 30 23:59:50 Venemo: pong? Dec 31 00:01:52 timeless_mbp: I know you probably didn't work on this particular component, but do you know why is it that Fremantle's clutter has features that didn't get pushed to upstream? Dec 31 00:02:09 * timeless_mbp chuckles Dec 31 00:02:17 timeless_mbp: this makes building any of the stuff in a non-Maemo environment a pain Dec 31 00:02:23 clutter's engineering team was bought by intel Dec 31 00:02:45 which ended the collaboration and uses :) Dec 31 00:03:08 I thought Nokia and Intel like each other enough for such things Dec 31 00:03:18 that's today Dec 31 00:03:24 right. Dec 31 00:03:25 this was um... 2 years ago? Dec 31 00:03:41 1 or 2 years ago, yes Dec 31 00:04:09 So now pushing upstream is good and 1-2 years ago it was bad? Dec 31 00:04:15 heh Dec 31 00:04:17 no Dec 31 00:04:25 It's still bad? Dec 31 00:04:45 the engineering team that had done the work was more or less no longer available to nokia Dec 31 00:05:02 if they had unfinished/non upstreamed work at the time of the purchase, oh well Dec 31 00:05:08 I read a document written by Ari Jaaksi some years ago where he explains how the Maemo team takes pride in participating in open source communities and contributes to upstream Dec 31 00:05:11 they just disappeared Dec 31 00:05:16 hm. Dec 31 00:05:28 we do Dec 31 00:05:35 but in that case, we had been paying for a team Dec 31 00:05:39 Ah, the development in secret thing Dec 31 00:05:40 it more or less was the upstream Dec 31 00:05:46 and then it was bought Dec 31 00:05:53 and we couldn't pay for it anymore Dec 31 00:07:04 timeless_mbp: understandable then Dec 31 00:07:50 timeless_mbp: my other question is, how is the libmatchbox2 and libmatchbox1 thingies related to the upstream libmatchbox? Dec 31 00:08:00 um Dec 31 00:08:05 that's an older thing Dec 31 00:08:07 timeless_mbp: why is there 2 versions of the same lib in Fremantle? Dec 31 00:08:22 i think i'd like to pretend i don't want to remember any of it :) Dec 31 00:08:40 timeless_mbp: you can tell me in PM if you're ashamed of it Dec 31 00:09:49 timeless_mbp: I just want to wrap my head around the various components required by the desktop Dec 31 00:14:26 http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/matchbox-window-manager-2/README?force=1 seems vaguely friendly Dec 31 00:14:27 LOL Dec 31 00:14:59 also LOL @ force=1 Dec 31 00:15:29 ""may the force be with you, mxr"" (in a low voice) Dec 31 00:15:42 http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/matchbox-window-manager-2/README Dec 31 00:15:46 is the alternative Dec 31 00:15:57 thx Dec 31 00:15:57 * timeless_mbp shrugs Dec 31 00:16:27 thank you timeless_mbp Dec 31 00:16:37 Venemo: you're sure we have matchbox1 floating around? Dec 31 00:16:46 mxr.maemo.org/fremantle doesn't seem to Dec 31 00:16:56 timeless_mbp: otherwise why is it in http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop ? Dec 31 00:17:13 http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/search?string=Package:%20libmatchbox&find=debian/control Dec 31 00:17:34 oh, yes Dec 31 00:17:42 and libmatchbox1 is installed on N900 Dec 31 00:17:51 (just checked with dpkg -l) Dec 31 00:17:56 * timeless_mbp ponders Dec 31 00:18:32 timeless_mbp: ah, found the reason. "This matchbox 1 is only used during startup sequence for basic window management. It’s not running when hildon-desktop is running." Dec 31 00:19:09 yeah, but that doesn't quite explain why mxr doesn't show it Dec 31 00:19:13 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/libm/libmatchbox1/ Dec 31 00:19:16 it's in pool Dec 31 00:19:24 timeless_mbp: actually that's the most encouraging and nice README I've seen in whole maemo/meego so far Dec 31 00:19:46 DocScrutinizer: yeah, i was pleasantly surprised when i read it a moment ago Dec 31 00:20:56 if every subsystem had such a general sum-up of the broader view of the whole thing, it'd be much easier to deal with all the indigestible src-dump Dec 31 00:21:27 we might even have learned to live with abominations like mce if only they have had such a README Dec 31 00:22:44 timeless_mbp: so if I understood correctly, the team was fed up with upstream libmatchbox and decided to clone it from scratch to their liking and stop caring about the upstream one. right? Dec 31 00:23:17 Venemo: please don't quote me, i had very little to do w/ the team Dec 31 00:23:35 but your summary could be right Dec 31 00:25:07 thx timeless_mbp Dec 31 00:26:00 timeless_mbp: is there someone from the team that made Fremantle Hildon Desktop who hangs out on IRC? Dec 31 00:26:12 * timeless_mbp ponders Dec 31 00:27:54 i think some of them do Dec 31 00:28:26 timeless_mbp: any of them friendly enough to answer some random questions like you do? Dec 31 00:28:32 yeah Dec 31 00:29:15 could you please point me to someone then? :) Dec 31 00:30:11 * DocScrutinizer yawns like a dog Dec 31 00:32:55 Hello Dec 31 00:33:07 hi Dec 31 00:33:18 Is this a good irc room for n900 discussions? Dec 31 00:33:27 yes Jameswstubbs, it is Dec 31 00:33:37 Ah good Dec 31 00:33:38 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK2dwTVi-aQ world's greatest video game - for cats Dec 31 00:34:34 My N900 will only boot up to the nokia logo is there anyway to fix without re-flashing! Dec 31 00:34:43 ?* Dec 31 00:34:59 Jameswstubbs: is the screen lit or not when it does this? Dec 31 00:35:18 Yes it lights, the status light also goes White Dec 31 00:35:53 Flasing does not usually destroy much user data, if you do not flash the emmc image Dec 31 00:36:54 But will destroy installed applications ect. It's taken me a while to set up a nice multiboot setup would hate to see it destroyed Dec 31 01:01:48 How do i select a font size between 16 and 24 in osso-term? Dec 31 01:02:26 * trumee has watery eyes when using N900 with small fonts. Dec 31 01:03:14 use the volume keys Dec 31 01:03:17 24pt is too big in xterm and 16pt is small. Dec 31 01:03:54 MohammadAG, nice one. Dec 31 01:04:32 In xchat size 18 looks reasonable. Dec 31 01:05:45 MohammadAG, crap the size doesnt stick after i restart xterm. Dec 31 01:05:58 it does here mate Dec 31 01:06:49 gosh, MeeGo is ugly Dec 31 01:07:00 their kernel sources that is Dec 31 01:07:09 MohammadAG, ah. it is ok now. Dec 31 01:07:34 luke-jr, why is that? Dec 31 01:07:48 luke-jr, +1 there Dec 31 01:07:51 they're retarded Dec 31 01:08:07 and when you ask for help on #meego you get a please wait, for $x da... months Dec 31 01:09:51 trumee: like 500 patches, plus some magic to merge compat-wireless into it, plus some kind of config *compiling* Dec 31 01:10:10 I thought they had a "upstream" policy.. Dec 31 01:10:16 lol Dec 31 01:10:24 ShadowJK, haha Dec 31 01:10:26 ha Dec 31 01:10:29 :( Dec 31 01:10:37 you can only build the kernel if you know RPM Dec 31 01:10:42 how to use RPM that is Dec 31 01:10:48 rpmbuild to be more exact Dec 31 01:10:54 what's that? Dec 31 01:10:58 oh I accidentally rebuilt my kernel on Redhat 6.1 once Dec 31 01:11:03 and I was clueless back then Dec 31 01:11:04 and if you try to be a smartass (hint: me), and apply that patches manually, they won't apply Dec 31 01:11:06 can't be that hard :/ Dec 31 01:11:12 they'll fail at the modem patch Dec 31 01:11:14 >_< Dec 31 01:11:40 even the quilt patches fail Dec 31 01:12:06 Stskeeps told me to wait Dec 31 01:12:20 which (sorry if I'm mistaken) I usually interpret as fuck off Dec 31 01:12:28 MohammadAG: I managed to make a working ebuild back in August Dec 31 01:12:28 :P Dec 31 01:12:33 it's only gotten worse since then Dec 31 01:12:38 Stskeeps usually tells me to wait too Dec 31 01:12:39 dude Dec 31 01:12:54 MeeGo's sources are crap Dec 31 01:13:12 I wonder if this is a way to make us learn why they kept maemo closed source Dec 31 01:13:22 given that, maemo's open parts have much better sources Dec 31 01:13:23 partly is is Dec 31 01:13:24 lol Dec 31 01:13:25 i guess Dec 31 01:13:37 I could just apt-get source kernel Dec 31 01:13:41 then build it Dec 31 01:14:11 hey, you guys interested in mafia/wolf/yandere in #Yandere ? :p Dec 31 01:14:31 interested in mafw, does it count? :P Dec 31 01:15:37 no Dec 31 01:17:12 luke-jr: Dec 31 01:17:23 and i know the rules Dec 31 01:36:08 bye-bye everyone! Dec 31 01:36:53 cu Venemo Dec 31 01:47:59 oh, so the ^H^Hmy club of meego-source and ecosystem haters has new members? Dec 31 01:48:54 lol DocScrutinizer Dec 31 01:49:01 Problem is that you need a cabal. And those outside the cabal will always disagree. Dec 31 01:49:07 DocScrutinizer: their code is a mess for sure. Dec 31 01:49:30 Ideally, they are skilled, and their decisions are not bad,. Dec 31 01:50:24 nah good night guys Dec 31 01:51:19 :-P Dec 31 01:51:49 meego's cool Dec 31 01:51:53 sources are retarded Dec 31 01:51:54 well, probably it's not worse than arbitrary other kernel code Dec 31 01:51:58 ;-) Dec 31 01:52:22 It's open, submit patches Dec 31 01:52:56 alterego, I can't submit patches to something I can't build Dec 31 01:53:17 and before saying anything, it's not only me who can't build them Dec 31 01:53:29 Heh Dec 31 01:53:47 that's the problem. You usually are reluctant to contribute patches for code the looks messed but is poorly commented so you never can be sure if the mess is due to sloppiness or incompetence or has an obscure reason it just *needs* to be that way Dec 31 01:56:05 and as devels regularly fail to provide a readme with a panorama view of the scope of the whole thing, you're usually even struggling to understand what this is meant to do and to work like at all Dec 31 01:58:20 docs is the problem alright. Dec 31 01:58:23 lack of Dec 31 01:59:09 Meaning that people have to spend an couple of orders of magnitude (optimistically) more time understanding the architecture than a few line overall summary Dec 31 02:01:43 then there are noobs who think for example they can create a proof for max amount of jitter in UART clock in a S3C2442 when switching cpufreq, by running a for() loop on 100.000 cpu freq switches. And when there's no kernel panic during that they think the code is OK for upstream, and next 5 years thousands of devels wonder why they get random transmission errors on TTY. Just because the cpufreq patch is poorly written, poorly documented, Dec 31 02:01:45 and the fact I tried to talk with the devel about that problem isn't mentioned anywhere Dec 31 02:04:47 take a look at windows sources Dec 31 02:05:06 probably exactly the same, yeah Dec 31 02:06:12 the best part was him saying "but we only have GPS on UART, so it's 9600bd maximum. This problem is sucked from your fingers" Dec 31 02:06:52 windows sources? Dec 31 02:08:17 heh windows used 32bit crc as hash to `secure' a file against tampering... Dec 31 02:08:35 (one of the stuxnet holes) Dec 31 02:08:53 32 bit ought to be enough for anybody Dec 31 02:09:36 this is the type of kernel developers who also say "why would we need a mutex here? the instruction execution time for that move is just microseconds, even shorter" Dec 31 02:10:09 * alterego wonders how people should enter lat/lon values .. Dec 31 02:10:13 "I tested it for 3 days. works for me" Dec 31 02:10:25 alterego, QLineEdit Dec 31 02:10:38 or even better Dec 31 02:10:40 I suppose I should force people to input their lat/lon values in the same format that I display it. Dec 31 02:10:46 MohammadAG: obviously :P Dec 31 02:10:47 alterego: a fruit-machine-thingy Dec 31 02:10:57 SpeedEvil: you're not serious? Dec 31 02:11:00 ohnoes Dec 31 02:11:06 alterego: It's the maemo way! Dec 31 02:11:08 no, not the iPhone thing Dec 31 02:11:13 Heh Dec 31 02:11:17 WAAAH Dec 31 02:11:25 It is touch friendly :D Dec 31 02:11:34 yeah, and fun to use Dec 31 02:11:39 minutes of fun Dec 31 02:11:40 alterego: a on-screen numpad wouldn't be a bad idea. Dec 31 02:12:18 alterego: though IMO you need to accept both formats - decimal and dms Dec 31 02:12:21 a QLineEdit hardcoded to only support XX"YY"Z° Dec 31 02:12:29 or whatever the units are Dec 31 02:12:33 SpeedEvil: I was thinking of that, but I mean the format as in: 52.00000, or, 52() 12" 123' Dec 31 02:13:15 Whatever you do, check you rollover right at the coners Dec 31 02:13:16 Sure, but I think it should be flexible, I have 6 different output formats for lat/lon Dec 31 02:13:51 good principle Dec 31 02:14:07 DocScrutinizer: ? Dec 31 02:14:25 >>I think it should be flexible Dec 31 02:14:34 Yeah, Dec 31 02:15:13 Think I'll do some regexp tests and see if I can differentiate all the different ways. Dec 31 02:15:23 Then I can just let them enter any format I understand. Dec 31 02:15:34 alterego: there are these text input boxes with attached err rotary(?) (two arrows for incr/decr the value in box) Dec 31 02:15:51 Yeah, a QSpinBox Dec 31 02:15:54 Not so nice in maemo. Dec 31 02:15:58 (Not touch friendly) Dec 31 02:16:00 right Dec 31 02:16:02 :-/ Dec 31 02:16:10 sorry Dec 31 02:16:15 time for a custom widget Dec 31 02:16:50 I want my app to be pretty usable one handed in portrait mode ^.^ Dec 31 02:17:33 let's face it Dec 31 02:17:42 the only app that really needed portrait mode Dec 31 02:17:45 was fapman Dec 31 02:17:54 hehehe Dec 31 02:17:54 O_o Dec 31 02:18:06 * DocScrutinizer cackles Dec 31 02:18:25 Neah, Ovi Store works fine in portrait .. Dec 31 02:18:39 it's a web page Dec 31 02:18:51 so you should be saying Dec 31 02:18:57 s/Ovi Store/MicroB/ Dec 31 02:19:15 Well, no, becayse facebook isn't exactly touch friendly. Dec 31 02:19:19 Well, unless you use the touch site. Dec 31 02:19:40 * MohammadAG uses it with his thumb :P Dec 31 02:19:55 YES!!! Dec 31 02:19:58 rain! Dec 31 02:21:19 MohammadAG: come here, I even got snow for you. Billions of m^3, you may take all of that shit with you Dec 31 02:21:43 Kind of want to use RDF/XML for my Waypoint storage format ^.^ Dec 31 02:21:58 m^3? Dec 31 02:21:59 :nod: Dec 31 02:22:04 Is that like Symbian^3? Dec 31 02:22:06 jk :P Dec 31 02:22:09 cubic-meters Dec 31 02:22:13 i know lol Dec 31 02:22:30 you'd give all that snow for me? Dec 31 02:22:32 aww Dec 31 02:23:13 alterego: I'm absolute noob but my friend some time told me about standard formats for routes and waypoints Dec 31 02:23:57 There's an XML format GPS Dec 31 02:23:59 ~GPX Dec 31 02:24:03 seems to work surprisingly well even from symbian to linux to windows, arbitrary apps Dec 31 02:24:06 Quite highly adopted, if that's what you mean. Dec 31 02:24:23 sorry I have nfc what I mean Dec 31 02:24:34 :) Dec 31 02:24:37 just use the ones google maps can import :P Dec 31 02:24:58 Well, there's an open standard called GPX which is used quite extensively by a lot of applications. Dec 31 02:25:11 Google have GML or something. Dec 31 02:25:22 if you don't support what google maps can import Dec 31 02:25:27 you'll get lots of rage Dec 31 02:25:45 Don't care. Dec 31 02:26:00 alterego, you'll regret that Dec 31 02:26:05 * MohammadAG laughs diabolically Dec 31 02:26:10 Are you threatening me?! :P Dec 31 02:26:24 Seriously though, I'm only going to implement what I want to implement. Dec 31 02:26:25 Yes, we have your children! Dec 31 02:26:45 If someone wants something specific they're going to either have to have a really good idea, or pay me. Dec 31 02:27:01 alterego: fair enough, as it's just an app Dec 31 02:27:10 does bacon count as a currency? Dec 31 02:28:46 anyone ever noticed what hildon does when opening two stacked windows? Dec 31 02:28:52 ugh/me throws his n900 at the wall Dec 31 02:29:01 NO! Dec 31 02:29:09 you should've run n900fly first Dec 31 02:29:16 LOL Dec 31 02:29:57 Heh Dec 31 02:30:21 the stupid thing gives me bloody erors out the butt, "Not charging, insufficent power", "USB connected but you can't transfer files", "Charging, Not charging insufficent power" Dec 31 02:30:37 dude Dec 31 02:30:43 blame your USB ports Dec 31 02:30:53 Wow, half 2 already. Dec 31 02:30:54 I can't even touch it or else it bitches Dec 31 02:30:55 or some app gone mad Dec 31 02:31:03 or the bundled ca-101, which never charges for me Dec 31 02:31:08 I haven't seen that in any of the N900 sucks threads Dec 31 02:31:11 the ca-101 that came with my n82 charges however Dec 31 02:31:36 * MohammadAG saw a USB 3.0 device today Dec 31 02:31:38 i love the phone itself, but this is the only part I hate Dec 31 02:31:44 hmm, broken cable? I've heard there have been cases Dec 31 02:31:59 hmm Dec 31 02:32:09 I get something weird though Dec 31 02:32:14 the cable on the outside looks perfect Dec 31 02:32:18 i'm having trouble making calls with skype. i'm in the U.S. and i'm dialing 1-623-414-1234 but it says i need to dial internat'l #. Dec 31 02:32:37 comawhite: attach it to the wallcharger Dec 31 02:32:39 whenever I unplug Dec 31 02:32:40 you don't need the 1 for domestic Dec 31 02:32:50 I get Device not enough power Dec 31 02:33:02 DocScrutinizer, I have no problems there as long as I don't move the usb cord Dec 31 02:33:19 fauly port? Dec 31 02:33:27 yea Dec 31 02:33:31 probably Dec 31 02:33:41 I always have nightmares about those Dec 31 02:33:42 go let it fix asap! Dec 31 02:33:49 comawhite: i tried w/out the 1, but it still won't work Dec 31 02:33:58 then I wake up and check the port Dec 31 02:34:05 jk :P Dec 31 02:34:07 can you even make long distance calls? Dec 31 02:34:25 further than 10m is long distance? Dec 31 02:34:28 no Dec 31 02:34:38 no calls at all Dec 31 02:34:48 US and phone numbers - SIGH Dec 31 02:35:41 I think that's why the guy sold me his phone because he experienced the faulty port on the phone =[ Dec 31 02:36:06 HelpMe: in the rest of the world you have an international prefix, usually "00". On GSM it's generally "+". No idea what skype wants there but something you'll have to enter for international prefix Dec 31 02:36:43 i also pay to be able to call landlines and cell phones 3/month Dec 31 02:37:25 HelpMe, your phone company sucks balls Dec 31 02:37:26 comawhite: it sounds like it *can* be fixed with a soldering iron during 20 min NOW. If you however break it completely by using it another few days, then you'll probably need to replace the mainboard Dec 31 02:37:46 DocScrutinizer, + is actually the `standard' notation, 00 is depending on county (and afaik wrong in u.s.) Dec 31 02:38:03 nox-: yes. exactly Dec 31 02:38:07 DocScrutinizer, any guides on how to take the phone apart? Dec 31 02:38:15 yes Dec 31 02:38:49 comawhite, follow your intuition Dec 31 02:39:09 but seriously Dec 31 02:39:13 disassembling it is piss easy Dec 31 02:39:15 Think it's bed time for me. Dec 31 02:39:17 comawhite: First, check if you are under warranty Dec 31 02:39:17 I need to first check and see if the phone is still under warrenty Dec 31 02:39:18 g'night folks. Dec 31 02:39:18 http://www.tehkseven.net/news/nokia-news/nokia-n900-disassembly/ Dec 31 02:39:20 alterego: night Dec 31 02:39:24 night alterego Dec 31 02:39:31 but I wonder if Nokia would still fix it since I bought it used Dec 31 02:39:37 thanks dockane_ Dec 31 02:39:37 assembling it is piss... Dec 31 02:39:41 DocScrutinizer, * Dec 31 02:40:06 comawhite, get the service manual while you're at it Dec 31 02:40:07 comawhite: there's also the service manuals Dec 31 02:40:15 :) Dec 31 02:40:15 L1&2 and L3&4 Dec 31 02:40:23 L1&2 for disassembly Dec 31 02:40:34 3&4 only readable by engineers :P Dec 31 02:40:37 you got a link handy? Dec 31 02:40:40 * MohammadAG looks Dec 31 02:40:58 I need to up this somewhere http://rapidshare.com/#!download|376tl3|314266032|Nokia_N900_RX-51_Service_Manual_Service_Level_1_2.pdf|1868 Dec 31 02:42:52 comawhite: just be careful with the cable between screen and kbd. It's a thin flat plastic cable and you must not bend or pull it Dec 31 02:43:34 or smash it in place Dec 31 02:44:00 (bought as used) shouldn't matter. If it's under waranty then it is. No matter who's owning it Dec 31 02:44:07 http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/.private/Nokia_N900_RX-51_Service_Manual_Service_Level_1_2.pdf Dec 31 02:44:33 pulblic/.private ? ;-P Dec 31 02:44:48 yeah, it's my private public folder :P Dec 31 02:49:14 DocScrutinizer, happy? it should return a 403 now :P Dec 31 02:50:03 good idea Dec 31 02:50:17 mine is called internal/ Dec 31 02:50:26 * MohammadAG hacks it Dec 31 02:55:00 Your device, serial number <15 digits>, appears to be within the initial warranty period. This warranty verification covers the following 10 days. If you send your device in for repair after 10 days, please include a copy of the proof of purchase with your device to confirm that your unit is within the warranty period. Dec 31 02:55:03 hmm Dec 31 02:55:11 it say I only have 10 days left? Dec 31 02:56:07 errm, yes? Dec 31 02:56:13 dammit Dec 31 02:56:14 * DocScrutinizer frowns Dec 31 02:56:34 I wonder how much it will cost to send it Dec 31 02:56:37 or you'd have to do that `warranty verification' again Dec 31 02:56:47 yes Dec 31 02:56:57 and how i'll be able to do it since I don't have the actual proof of purchase Dec 31 02:57:04 but then the second sentence is quite nonsensical Dec 31 02:57:16 mh Dec 31 02:57:32 i'll call Nokia tomorrow and what not Dec 31 02:57:33 actually 3rd Dec 31 02:59:16 comawhite: USA? Dec 31 02:59:31 yes Dec 31 02:59:40 :nod: **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 31 02:59:58 2010