**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 05 02:59:58 2011 Jan 05 03:00:32 im off Jan 05 03:00:33 nite all Jan 05 03:31:23 MohammadAG_: i made a tool to reset that code Jan 05 03:41:57 jacekowski, you and qwerty12 Jan 05 03:42:11 not sure if they're related/use similar methods Jan 05 03:42:24 but they both write garbage to cal right? Jan 05 03:42:51 is there some user friendly keymap editor? Jan 05 03:43:07 or generator Jan 05 03:59:26 i haven't seen qwerty12 in a long time Jan 05 04:04:51 beford, he left Jan 05 04:06:05 broke his n8x0? :p Jan 05 04:20:26 mine got stolen Jan 05 04:20:32 too bad i didn't put dyndns on it Jan 05 04:21:10 ... 3AM baseball bat surprise party Jan 05 04:23:37 activate microphone, track gps Jan 05 04:23:50 pupnik: :/ Jan 05 04:23:53 find out when they're alone, away from their house, at night Jan 05 04:24:00 :) Jan 05 04:24:13 You mean, you didn't have the lock code enabled? Jan 05 04:24:21 More fool to you. ¬_¬ Jan 05 04:24:29 what lock code Jan 05 04:24:38 The security code. Jan 05 04:25:29 oh for screen-blanking? Jan 05 04:28:44 beford: no, ragequit Jan 05 04:44:02 hmm Jan 05 04:44:08 how do I rename a file in git? Jan 05 04:46:36 just move it and add the new name Jan 05 04:46:36 I think there's "git mv" that does a couple extra steps Jan 05 04:46:36 no, git mv is just an alias for mv Jan 05 04:46:36 maybe adds the files to staging Jan 05 04:46:36 basically, you *can't* rename a file in git Jan 05 04:46:36 the client just tries to do smart things Jan 05 04:53:45 couldn't bother Jan 05 04:53:48 just removed and added it Jan 05 04:53:54 it was only 3 lines Jan 05 04:54:08 FBreader Jan 05 04:54:25 I rotate the page 180 degrees, then tap on the screen to change pages Jan 05 04:54:47 the icon to popup the menu pops up in the top/left Jan 05 04:54:58 is there a way to fix this somehow in an option? Jan 05 04:59:13 here's a pretty cool filesharing client - needs devs http://lopster.sourceforge.net/ Jan 05 05:00:20 * SpeedEvil uses mldonkey Jan 05 05:00:30 For all his downloading linux iso needs. Jan 05 05:01:31 * MohammadAG uses axel Jan 05 05:01:33 does what I want Jan 05 05:04:31 MohammadAG: where's that? hard to google Jan 05 05:04:48 hmm, in the repos Jan 05 05:04:52 it's a CLI downloader Jan 05 05:05:12 axel - light download accelerator - console version Jan 05 05:05:39 that's a completely differen tthing Jan 05 05:10:53 is there a way to not end up in #overflow all the time Jan 05 05:10:57 yeah - mldonkey is a bittorrent/edonkey client Jan 05 05:11:08 our belgian isps are so stupid that they disconnect you each day Jan 05 05:11:37 because they do not want to give you fixed ip so they disconnect you every day to force you to release the current ip ... Jan 05 05:11:39 w carrageenan Jan 05 05:12:04 like the country, dislike the stupid monopoly on the internet markets ... Jan 05 05:12:11 Gh0sty, and what's wrong from their viepoint Jan 05 05:12:23 that you have the same ip for a week or month? Jan 05 05:12:30 dont know Jan 05 05:12:36 plain stupid Jan 05 05:12:38 they are just plain stupid Jan 05 05:12:39 yes Jan 05 05:12:48 ignorance is bliss or whats the expression? :p Jan 05 05:13:06 when they handed out the brains Jan 05 05:13:13 somewhere they fell short on those guys Jan 05 05:13:43 but anyway this causes me to end up in ##overflow every day after my disconnect... Jan 05 05:13:53 is there a way to prevent that? Jan 05 05:14:12 normally I am registered on freenode afaik :/ Jan 05 05:16:12 put your password into your client's server password field Jan 05 05:17:01 or use sasl-based auth instead Jan 05 05:20:58 ooooh, check out this awesome mobile phone http://www.johnsphones.com/store/johns-phone-white/item24 Jan 05 05:21:49 lol @ design Jan 05 05:21:53 not my thing Jan 05 05:21:59 it's quad band! Jan 05 05:22:14 and a fully functional address book Jan 05 05:22:16 hehe :P Jan 05 05:23:17 actually Jan 05 05:23:23 should buy it for my mother Jan 05 05:23:29 not to tech savvy and such Jan 05 05:23:38 still running around with a nokia 3310 ... Jan 05 05:23:56 but how do you text somebody with that phone ... Jan 05 05:24:07 the concept looks nice but ... thats a missing feature :P Jan 05 05:24:07 you don't Jan 05 05:24:18 seems a bit pricy for what it is Jan 05 05:24:29 yes that too :) Jan 05 05:24:41 but nevertheless would make for a "pretty" gift :P Jan 05 05:25:04 (despite the fact that i'm not a design freak and such, otherwise I would not own an n900) Jan 05 05:25:08 it's lack of sms support is a stated feature Jan 05 05:25:14 hehe :P Jan 05 05:25:16 too bad ... Jan 05 05:25:21 otherwise I'd buy it Jan 05 05:25:32 the standby of 3 weeks is nice ^^ Jan 05 05:25:42 one of the main drawbacks of my mothers 3310 Jan 05 05:25:54 she still needs to charge it once a week or something Jan 05 05:26:04 already replaced batteries a couple of times on that on ... Jan 05 05:26:50 wondering actually ... those 3310s still use old style batteries (dont even think its li batts yet) Jan 05 05:27:04 if you could not buy lipo or other batteries nowadays Jan 05 05:27:41 hmm no ... stupid me ... the charging circuit in the cellphone would probably blow up such a battery cause the charging should be different Jan 05 05:28:26 eek, lag burst of text Jan 05 05:29:11 btw subtle tip: lego still makes for fun times to design a cellphone holder for your desk Jan 05 05:29:29 (use this already for years ... easy adaptable to every new phone you buy) Jan 05 05:30:29 lets get out of bed and off to work, seeya later guys Jan 05 05:30:56 (6h30 here local timezone - before you start looking funny) Jan 05 05:31:39 'gish' looks like a very creative game candidate for porting Jan 05 07:14:35 "We act as though comfort and luxury were the chief requirements of life, when all that we need Jan 05 07:14:39 to make us happy is something to be enthusiastic about." -Einstein Jan 05 07:44:11 goood moorning folks Jan 05 08:17:54 kulve: hello , you there? Jan 05 08:18:54 Appiah: yes, I'm here :) Jan 05 08:19:37 I see you are the maintainer for gstreamer-flac , just wanted to ask if there's any plans or such for it to reach the main repo? Jan 05 08:20:08 which main repo..? Jan 05 08:20:13 err Jan 05 08:20:22 I mean the devel version ^^ Jan 05 08:20:34 the latest patch Jan 05 08:22:10 I've been a bit lazy with the ogg-support lately. I should update all the components and switch to Felipe's gst-av for better performance.. Jan 05 08:24:02 looks like Nikolay Bryskin has applied the patch and pushed the new version to extras-devel Jan 05 08:25:08 gst-av? is that a replacement? Jan 05 08:25:28 it uses ffmpeg for vorbis decoding and is much faster that the libvorbis Jan 05 08:25:44 I see... Jan 05 08:26:08 Am i wrong or is this what meego is using? Jan 05 08:34:12 I think meego uses libvorbis as ffmpeg is a bit tricky license wise Jan 05 08:35:51 at least the default netbook image doesn't seem to contain ffmpeg, only libvorbis Jan 05 08:37:03 is there a way to tell maemo that i dont want to add unauthorized icq contacts to my contact list? Jan 05 08:38:10 i am using jabber with icq transport and after the first connect i received all already rejected unauthorized spam russians :D Jan 05 08:45:15 People still use ICQ? Jan 05 08:50:07 moo Jan 05 08:50:40 i am using jabber but with icq transport for the rest of my contacts Jan 05 08:52:47 icq support in maemo's telepathy interface is done through libpurple.. you'd need to look at the plugin implementation, but as the telepathy interface itself doesn't have block support, you'd probably need to do something janky in order to change anything Jan 05 08:52:52 alternative: use pidgin Jan 05 08:53:11 also purple Jan 05 08:53:38 purple? Jan 05 08:53:38 iirc Jan 05 08:53:52 Hi. Don't know where to report (or vote) that the SSL certificate for garage has expired. Jan 05 08:53:56 pidgin also using libpurple Jan 05 08:54:06 git won't let me pull/push Jan 05 08:54:14 ah, yes, but pidgin provides an interface for blocking people and block lists Jan 05 08:55:28 ceda: what part of garage? https://garage.maemo.org says cert is valid, with an expiration date of april 23 2011 Jan 05 08:55:29 ceda: ping X-Fade Jan 05 08:57:04 also, doesn't the git interface for garage run over ssh, not ssl? Jan 05 08:58:37 ah, i see, vcs.maemo.org's cert expired on dec 29.. Jan 05 08:58:40 ieatlint: https with DAV Jan 05 08:58:47 ieatlint: exactly Jan 05 09:02:02 morning alls :) Jan 05 09:02:10 lcuk :> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67891 Jan 05 09:02:46 thanks noobmonk3y Jan 05 09:02:50 :) np :) Jan 05 09:04:25 DocScrutinizer: I've pinged him/her Jan 05 09:06:09 Morning, all Jan 05 09:09:52 Hello. Mobile HotSpot is not developed now ? Jan 05 09:10:08 I read I need advanced kernel for this application. Jan 05 09:10:17 But there is no advanced kernel for my system. Jan 05 09:10:24 Latest update on N900. Jan 05 09:10:36 Is there any solution to do tethering ? Jan 05 09:10:44 With my N900. Jan 05 09:11:53 Jaffa: how do you push to git/garage? Jan 05 09:12:47 or rather, what does your git remote URL look like, what protocol? (I'm having issues with https) Jan 05 09:15:02 for me, ssh://drop.maemo.org/git/ Jan 05 09:15:07 based on pubkey auth Jan 05 09:16:41 kulve: do you think the switch to gst-av will be hard? Jan 05 09:18:13 Not sure what you mean. I've planned to leave the existing libvorbis and the gst plugin there and just add the gst-av with higher priority. Then e.g. playbin2 should use gst-av but applications still using gst/libvorbis directly would work just fine Jan 05 09:19:23 * lcuk glass always half full Jan 05 09:20:01 pessimism is better Jan 05 09:20:17 it means i won't have trouble with gambling addiction (just alcohol!) Jan 05 09:21:01 retro|cz: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking Jan 05 09:21:28 drj_cro, thank you Jan 05 09:21:37 drj_cro, but I need it vie WiFi Jan 05 09:21:47 drj_cro, send my 3G connection to area vie WIFI Jan 05 09:21:57 drj_cro, Mobile HotSpot application can do that Jan 05 09:22:05 drj_cro, but isn't working :( Jan 05 09:22:41 it's working if you use the correct kernel Jan 05 09:23:28 http://mobilehotspot.garage.maemo.org/ Jan 05 09:23:49 retro|cz, "via" or "to", not "vie" Jan 05 09:24:16 crashanddie, I want to send my 3G connection to other mobile that can connect to wifi. Jan 05 09:24:31 perfect Jan 05 09:24:32 crashanddie, make a wifi AP and share my 3G connection Jan 05 09:24:55 crashanddie, you have any idea ? Jan 05 09:25:02 Mobile HotSpot Jan 05 09:25:21 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/mobilehotspot/ Jan 05 09:25:22 yes Jan 05 09:25:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xrsh6TBZtk0&feature=related Jan 05 09:25:26 Doesn't work :( Jan 05 09:25:35 did you switch kernel retro|cz ? Jan 05 09:26:15 Appiah, no. Jan 05 09:26:19 Appiah, when I try. Jan 05 09:26:20 WARNING: This software requires custom kernel! Jan 05 09:26:31 "Install the Kernel For Power Users via application manager and verify it works." Jan 05 09:26:33 Appiah, it told me some dependencies are not met. Jan 05 09:26:39 Appiah, I know. Jan 05 09:26:41 then you never tried it Jan 05 09:26:43 Appiah, I wrote already. Jan 05 09:26:48 ... Jan 05 09:28:12 Appiah, update is writing me error Jan 05 09:28:53 Appiah, conflict in kernel-modules-maemo, kernel-maemo (both are listed twice) Jan 05 09:29:33 well my money is on fixing the conflict then use mobile hotspot Jan 05 09:30:03 are you running PR1.2 or 1.3? Jan 05 09:30:07 Appiah, and how I can fix this conflict ? Jan 05 09:30:11 retro|cz: you need this for 1 or more computers via wifi ? Jan 05 09:30:15 Don't know. Jan 05 09:30:19 drj_cro, yes Jan 05 09:30:31 In settings is version - 20.2010.36.2 Jan 05 09:31:30 Maemo 5, N900 Jan 05 09:33:50 20.2010.36-2. = PR1.3 Jan 05 09:34:44 http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power retro|cz there you go Jan 05 09:36:58 Appiah, I'm doing that all time. Jan 05 09:37:04 Appiah, still conflicts. Jan 05 09:37:57 did you read the whole wiki page? Jan 05 09:39:23 tekojo: any chances we'll ever see a fix for bug #8347 ? Jan 05 09:39:25 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/8347 Cell Broadcast Feature not available Jan 05 09:40:10 Appiah, yes. Now it is installing. Jan 05 09:43:13 tekojo: CB becoming a frequently used function for Disaster Warning and management, e.g. for tsunami warnings and esp recently in Japan for earthquake warnings Jan 05 09:45:46 Appiah, thank you. Working now. Jan 05 09:46:00 Appiah, and sorry for disturbing. All I need was on that page. Jan 05 09:47:05 DocScrutinizer: no idea, not really my area of expertise :) Jan 05 09:48:54 tekojo: I hoped you know whom to ask :-) Jan 05 09:50:49 DocScrutinizer: I'll put it on the todo list to find someone, but don't expect too much, I'm not sure who to start with Jan 05 09:51:03 thanks Jan 05 09:51:38 I'm afaraid it's a cellmo fw issue Jan 05 09:52:17 so probably cellmo guys are the ones to ask first Jan 05 10:11:08 * alterego contemplates modularising ColumbusModel Jan 05 10:17:29 http://www.wine-reviews.net/wine-reviews/news/wine-running-on-a-nokia-n900.html Has somebody tried to run spotify on this? Jan 05 10:19:04 WTF? wine on N900? what's the windows binaries supposed to be compatible with this? or is this going to use bochs to run a x86 linux to run wine to run... *cough* Jan 05 10:20:48 *cough* s/bochs/qemu/ *cough* Jan 05 10:21:56 might still be faster than a SICOMP 386-16 Jan 05 10:23:21 which would be a requirement as that one wasn't usable with win3.11 iirc Jan 05 10:26:30 * DocScrutinizer wonders idly if qemu+x86linux+wine is faster than qemu+windows-generic Jan 05 10:26:33 Do you know any good article how to setup toolchain for Maemo (arm) on 64bit Linux system ? Jan 05 10:26:53 SDK isn't wokring under 64 bit linux (said installator) Jan 05 10:28:16 install IA32 libs? Jan 05 10:28:33 DocScrutinizer, and use official SDK ? Jan 05 10:28:51 is there a non-official one? Jan 05 10:29:15 DocScrutinizer, no, but you can crosscompile to arm. Jan 05 10:29:42 :nod: Jan 05 10:30:11 and then flash to N900 using flasher-3.5. Nah wait, needs IA32 libs Jan 05 10:31:46 retro|cz: sorry, I got no clue - I never had any 64bit system yet. No need for that Jan 05 10:32:31 DocScrutinizer, np Jan 05 10:33:08 DocScrutinizer, I can count 2147483648 reasons to need 64bit. Jan 05 10:36:42 I seem to have that many reasons why I don't need more than 32bit Jan 05 10:37:22 simple reason for 64bit: ram Jan 05 10:38:11 my max RAM on any box til today was 2GB, and I can't see I'd need more in the near future Jan 05 10:39:19 except when I might want to calculate rainbow tables :-D Jan 05 10:39:57 Mem: 32446M total Jan 05 10:40:02 Then you need it though.. Jan 05 10:40:05 eh... i spent $200 to get 16gb on my laptop.. i can run my ram-hungry browser, misc apps, qtcreator, virtualbox and more... extremely convenient to not swap Jan 05 10:40:26 LOL Jan 05 10:40:27 and tmpfs lets me throw a ramdisk up for the occasional task that needs insane seek times/throughput Jan 05 10:40:43 ram-hungry browser - mega-LOL Jan 05 10:41:12 My 100+ tab browsers eat quite a lot :) Jan 05 10:42:04 ok, I occasionally need swap on this 2GB machine, when using 40+ browser windows, each with several tabs Jan 05 10:42:13 X-Fade, taking a leaf out of lbts book? Jan 05 10:42:16 my browser usually uses ~500mb-700mb Jan 05 10:42:26 i once saw a screenie from him with a mega tab stack Jan 05 10:42:48 lcuk: Hehe, yeah nice :D Jan 05 10:42:53 my gf does that... probably has 200 tabs open at any given moment Jan 05 10:42:54 freaks Jan 05 10:43:34 i still can't believe gmail by itself takes 160mb Jan 05 10:43:41 I dislike walking back to my machine and finding a mammoth tab list open Jan 05 10:43:42 that's when you start to have to google your tabs to find the right one :-P Jan 05 10:44:12 most of my open tabs are api reference Jan 05 10:44:37 :nod: Jan 05 10:44:39 Memory: 64873300k/66235856k available Jan 05 10:45:09 64gb... nice :P Jan 05 10:45:33 I'd sleep away on POST Jan 05 10:45:37 X-Fade, have you ever actually used all mem? Jan 05 10:45:40 X-D Jan 05 10:46:04 cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep processor |wc -l Jan 05 10:46:05 16 Jan 05 10:46:20 heh Jan 05 10:46:27 hands up who thinks X-Fade is just showing off now :P Jan 05 10:46:35 Hehe ;) He is.. Jan 05 10:46:38 ol Jan 05 10:46:50 thats a nice workhors though Jan 05 10:46:55 That is one of the builders we just added to meego community obs. Jan 05 10:46:56 with an e of course Jan 05 10:47:03 and is that 16 separate cores or threading? Jan 05 10:47:03 sweet Jan 05 10:47:43 4 quad? Jan 05 10:47:57 Yeah, only a Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5640 Jan 05 10:48:11 Dual Quad with HT. Jan 05 10:48:20 :nod: Jan 05 10:48:37 yeah, i'm running I7-820QM on my laptop.. quad core with HT Jan 05 10:48:42 Although we also have 6 core ones incoming. Jan 05 10:48:42 so it claims i have 8, heh Jan 05 10:50:08 X-Fade: you noticed the expired cert on vcs.m.o ? Jan 05 10:50:26 DocScrutinizer51: There is a bug for that ;) Jan 05 10:50:34 :-D Jan 05 11:21:11 can someone remind me where I can find failed build log for package? Jan 05 11:24:28 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/apmefo_0.11-1/ is all I found ;( Jan 05 11:31:15 [2011-01-05 13:24:34] apmefo 0.11-1 has been queued for loading into fremantle extras-devel repository Jan 05 11:31:18 ;) Jan 05 11:31:25 finally Jan 05 11:41:20 as seen on a slide "updateting" Jan 05 11:43:11 ZogG, perhaps collar mgedmin on #maemo and ask him to bring his logbot into #maemo-ssu? :) Jan 05 11:43:40 ooops you did it already =) Jan 05 11:43:45 ;) Jan 05 11:44:10 btw never saw him talikng here around Jan 05 11:54:05 hi chaps Jan 05 11:54:13 bloody touchscreen is on the blink again Jan 05 11:54:26 hey Jan 05 11:54:27 how are u? Jan 05 11:54:35 alright, you? Jan 05 11:56:25 apmefo 0.11-1 is in extras-devel now Jan 05 11:56:25 terrible but everything would be fine Jan 05 11:57:31 hi hrw, Happy New Year Jan 05 11:57:59 lardman: HNY'11 to you too Jan 05 12:01:45 hmm, FF4 doesn't seem to like WMP Jan 05 12:04:49 i've got a problem with my n900 - sometimes the mail server does not respond and after that i can't look into my already received message nor can i receive new ones (it always shows it is loading something) Jan 05 12:05:31 the only way to fix this is rebooting the device, but that's not really a solution for me Jan 05 12:45:12 hmmm Jan 05 12:45:42 wtf, HAM doesn't see any catalogues though apt-get update does work from terminal Jan 05 12:47:52 http://theoatmeal.com/comics/email Jan 05 12:47:54 bored Jan 05 12:51:03 alterego: I actually did that yesterday Jan 05 12:51:09 alterego: pretty much Jan 05 12:51:44 Though I was wanting someone to sign a document I'd written for them, on my behalf, and fax it to someone. Jan 05 12:53:10 Heh Jan 05 12:53:45 There are plenty of funsies in that one :) Jan 05 12:56:06 And I'm in the process of getting ready to go out to catch a bus to post stuff, because my fucking government won't take email. Jan 05 12:56:08 * SpeedEvil sighs. Jan 05 12:56:48 That annoys me .. Jan 05 12:57:03 otoh, I don't have a fax machine and probably haven't touched one since 1998 Jan 05 13:24:31 the oatmeal is awesomeness though Jan 05 13:34:11 * lardman|home wonders how to sync his phonebook Jan 05 13:35:54 ok, to whom it may concern: Automatic time setting (getting time from GSM network) doesn't fix a wrong time from a bat-out boot - until you go tablet-mode and back to telephone-mode Jan 05 13:36:16 ah, I noticed it didn't work Jan 05 13:37:41 automatic time on my device just plain doesnt seem to work and never has :\ Jan 05 13:38:06 does the service provider have to send time messages? Or whatever is used? Jan 05 13:38:10 and the clock's time drifts really really badly Jan 05 13:38:25 yeah, they have to broadcast a time over the network, and mine does Jan 05 13:39:14 hmm, Ovi suite web installer is 91Mb Jan 05 13:39:20 MB even Jan 05 13:39:41 I thought web implied it would download what it needed at install time Jan 05 13:44:34 B even Jan 05 13:44:34 13:36 < lardman|home> I thought web implied it would download what it needed at Jan 05 13:44:46 crap, sorry Jan 05 13:44:48 hmm, I forgot you need a working touchscreen to enable PC Suite mode Jan 05 13:44:54 Touchpad fail Jan 05 13:45:53 anyone know the module I need to insmod to get pc suite mode working? Jan 05 13:46:20 nidO: (drift) see stop() in K02hwclock :-/ Jan 05 13:46:43 lardman|home: g_nokia Jan 05 13:46:52 thanks Jan 05 13:47:02 make sure g_storage is unloaded though :) Jan 05 13:47:37 an absolute NONO on any system without proper internet and ntpd running, or - better - ntpd syncing sysclock with GPS or sth *all the time* Jan 05 13:48:40 nidO: also check /etc/adjtime - you might want to set all values to 0 in there Jan 05 13:50:11 will take a look in a sec when im off the phone :p Jan 05 13:50:14 the amazing part of *my* adjtime is it actually has 0 drift factors Jan 05 13:50:21 hmm, Device Manager seems to see the N900, but Ovi Suite is not interested Jan 05 13:51:47 lardman|home: on N900? Jan 05 13:52:02 no on Win7 box that I'm trying to back up to Jan 05 13:52:21 there's an insmode on win7? Jan 05 13:52:26 :) Jan 05 13:52:37 no, I insmodded on the N900 and now Windows 7 sees it Jan 05 13:52:41 bit Ovi Suite doesn't Jan 05 13:53:31 on N900 you need a bit more than just modprobe g_nokia Jan 05 13:53:36 ah finally, Ovi Suite is a bit crap Jan 05 13:53:47 really? Seems to be working now Jan 05 13:54:03 there's a script for that :-) Jan 05 13:54:22 we'll see anyway - Ovi suite seemingly only scans for devices when it's started and doesn't keep looking Jan 05 13:55:04 Well it's currently got "Creating account..." on Ovi Suite, so that may or may not mean it doesn't have an IP, I've no idea Jan 05 13:55:56 docscrutinizer: do you know the name of the script that is run to enable PC Suite mode? Jan 05 13:56:48 I'm trying to dig up the name in my mind, but am failing. It's mentioned in the old (closed) hostmode thread on tmo Jan 05 13:56:48 i don't think the ovi suite interfaces over tcp/ip Jan 05 13:57:12 ieatlint: You sure, afair it was supposed to be a modified g_ether I though Jan 05 13:57:37 docscrutinizer: I'll do some Googling, this "Creating account..." has been going on for far too long Jan 05 13:57:51 another fail for Ovi Suite programmers' ability to handle error conditions Jan 05 13:58:10 lardman|home: why didn't the menu on N900 work for you? it calls that script Jan 05 13:58:26 touchscreen failure Jan 05 13:58:31 ouch Jan 05 13:58:49 not sure, but for some reason it would surprise me Jan 05 13:58:56 the script might be something like PCsuite_enable Jan 05 13:59:18 grep for g_nokia in the related dirs Jan 05 13:59:39 or ask MohammadAG Jan 05 14:00:00 argh, no pipe character Jan 05 14:01:54 /usr/sbin/pcsuite-enable.sh Jan 05 14:04:02 stupid program was apparently trying to create a new Ovi login while I already have one Jan 05 14:05:17 * lardman|home wonders how well the calendar and phone numbers will travel to his wife's old Android phone via M$ Outlook Jan 05 14:05:32 When do you think Talk will finally be reduced to trolls arguing with trolls. . . . Jan 05 14:05:42 GAN900: -1 year Jan 05 14:05:50 I notice they love swarming out of the woodwork for the productive threads. Jan 05 14:06:29 you rang? Jan 05 14:06:45 MohammadAG: got it sorted, thanks Jan 05 14:08:16 lardman|home: you should be able to export the data in standard formats, and then import them into android without ms outlook (although, i imagine ms outlook will work too) Jan 05 14:08:32 export them from Ovi Suite? Jan 05 14:08:42 as I only have terminal access on the N900 Jan 05 14:08:46 gan900: productive threads? Jan 05 14:08:50 lol Jan 05 14:09:07 timeless_xchat, yeah, yeah. :P Jan 05 14:09:09 hmmm, never tried... i think so though, about to take a look myself out of curiosity Jan 05 14:09:56 lardman|home: using TV AV-connector isn't an option? Jan 05 14:09:58 I'll give it a go as is, looks like all the contacts made it to Outlook Jan 05 14:10:11 docscrutinizer: what for? Jan 05 14:10:20 screen works, but I can't use the touchscreen Jan 05 14:10:34 as a bandaid for your "only have ssh access" Jan 05 14:10:45 ooh, so maybe use a mouse? Jan 05 14:10:46 I don't even have that! Jan 05 14:11:04 I've got terminal access on device by pressing ctrl-shift-x Jan 05 14:11:18 but have to be careful the term doesn't loose focus as there's no way of getting it back Jan 05 14:11:32 so if anything opens in front, I need to start a new terminal Jan 05 14:11:45 awful Jan 05 14:11:54 install MHD Jan 05 14:12:02 no wifi atm Jan 05 14:12:10 yay Jan 05 14:12:13 though I guess I could start it if I thought about it Jan 05 14:12:33 lardman|home: ah, yeah, looks like it only lets you do individual vcf files for contacts Jan 05 14:12:38 anyway mission accomplished, data off, now to see about sticking it on my wife's old phone Jan 05 14:13:12 * lardman|home had someone phoning earlier and could old turn the phone off, didn't seem to be anyway of answering without touchscreen Jan 05 14:13:19 s/old/only Jan 05 14:14:01 yeah, another BUG :-((( Jan 05 14:15:00 and it's not tcp/ip for ovi suite, as neither my phone nor windows has any interface up over the usb connection Jan 05 14:15:36 dialer-UI ergonomics and usability and MMI design are abysmally flawed Jan 05 14:15:57 ieatlint: it is actually, but Ovi Suite provides its own driver to hide the ethernet-over-usb link Jan 05 14:16:29 certainly usb0 is up on the N900 Jan 05 14:16:46 not on my phone Jan 05 14:17:17 and i'd be alarmed if a device is creating a hidden network interface that doesn't show up at all in windows Jan 05 14:17:26 that's quite possible Jan 05 14:18:50 hey guys Jan 05 14:19:27 well, it's not realistically possible on the phone... and either way, my phone says usb0 is down, and that it has no ip address assigned and no traffic listed over it Jan 05 14:19:32 Nokia GUI designers forgot about 3rd commandment of MMI design: >>if you have buttons and a keyboard, do not require user to ever touch the mouse. If you have a mouse and screen, never require user to touch buttons or keyboard<< Jan 05 14:19:36 i cant seem to find rc.local on my n900 maemo fremantle does anyone know where its located? Jan 05 14:19:41 mmi? Jan 05 14:20:19 man-machine-interface Jan 05 14:20:45 or simply UI Jan 05 14:21:16 or is there any other way i can autostart something on bootup? Jan 05 14:21:30 ieatlint: and you're connected to usb suite over the usb cable? Jan 05 14:21:39 Gyjf: what do you want to startup? Jan 05 14:21:40 ovi suite even Jan 05 14:21:52 load a sh script Jan 05 14:21:57 lardman|home: yes Jan 05 14:22:10 oh, fair enough Jan 05 14:22:15 i don't hate myself quite enough to use a 2mbit bluetooth connection Jan 05 14:22:18 Gyjf: /etc/rc2.d Jan 05 14:22:21 to load the bleeding edge wireless drivers Jan 05 14:22:22 lol Jan 05 14:22:48 ok, out of curiosity, why 2? Jan 05 14:23:18 NFC, but I think I heard that's what maemo is using for normal operation Jan 05 14:23:31 no Jan 05 14:23:41 3? 5? Jan 05 14:23:50 shouldn't you be using /etc/init.d? Jan 05 14:23:54 but beware Jan 05 14:24:05 if you're using MyDocs, it might not be mounted Jan 05 14:24:22 the rc(0-6).d are located in init.d Jan 05 14:24:22 Termana: 'files' in rcX.d are symlinks to init.d Jan 05 14:24:26 urgh, talk about a slow first boot Jan 05 14:24:57 so you might want to shove the drivers in / somewhere Jan 05 14:25:12 I'd say /root Jan 05 14:25:12 ls Jan 05 14:25:23 if it fits Jan 05 14:25:42 Gyjf: no they are not Jan 05 14:26:12 oh sorry, looked at the wrong place in terminal :P Jan 05 14:26:40 yea /root seems empty Jan 05 14:27:04 # The default runlevel. Jan 05 14:27:05 id:2:initdefault: Jan 05 14:27:08 it's still /, so watch usage Jan 05 14:27:58 so if i put it in rc5.d it will run last? Jan 05 14:28:10 it will run never Jan 05 14:28:20 ok Jan 05 14:28:24 o_O Jan 05 14:28:33 you put the script in init.d and symlink that to rc2.d Jan 05 14:28:37 DocScrutinizer, why? Jan 05 14:28:38 i didn't realise maemo followed sysv stuff Jan 05 14:28:43 in /etc/init.d/rc then? Jan 05 14:29:06 rc5.d is run level 5, when X starts Jan 05 14:30:25 i need it to run after the stock drivers are run so they doesnt load after rendering it useless Jan 05 14:30:47 the system doesn't boot by progressing through each run level Jan 05 14:31:04 some of it's upstart, some of it's sysv Jan 05 14:31:10 yep Jan 05 14:31:15 and the gui being part of init level 5 is more a guideline than a rule Jan 05 14:31:33 iirc Debian doesn't use 5 for gui Jan 05 14:31:35 though Fedora does Jan 05 14:31:35 and a guideline not followed in maemo Jan 05 14:31:46 running on init level 2 is weird though, as that is typically terminal with no networking as i recall Jan 05 14:31:48 where's the link to IRC morning/night rules again? :P Jan 05 14:32:08 My debian box has id:2:initdefault: too :P Jan 05 14:32:12 (and that boots into GUI) Jan 05 14:32:31 ok so rc2.d would be fine? Jan 05 14:33:07 ~ugt Jan 05 14:33:07 [ugt] Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Jan 05 14:33:11 MohammadAG, ^^ Jan 05 14:33:15 yeah, you want rc2.d if the system defaults to level 2 Jan 05 14:33:21 which it seemingly does Jan 05 14:33:59 Termana, sank you Jan 05 14:35:02 * ieatlint fondly remembers the classic trick of setting someone's default run level to 6 Jan 05 14:35:16 i know enough unix sysadmins these days that would never figure that out :( Jan 05 14:35:19 Gyjf: place the script into /etc/init.d/* and create a symlink from /etc/rc2.d/S??* (and K??* ?) to that file. Choose ?? according to execution order of the files on Start (and Kill) Jan 05 14:36:22 ieatlint: LOL, nice prank Jan 05 14:37:18 init.d/rc? Jan 05 14:37:30 or just dump it in init.d folder? Jan 05 14:37:45 /etc/init.d/ Jan 05 14:38:44 ln -s /etc/init.d/ /etc/rc2.d/S57foobar Jan 05 14:39:05 s/foobar// Jan 05 14:39:05 DocScrutinizer meant: ln -s /etc/init.d/ /etc/rc2.d/S57 Jan 05 14:40:16 this will run with root privilegies right? Jan 05 14:41:13 yes Jan 05 14:41:21 ok then Jan 05 14:41:31 hmm Jan 05 14:41:32 lets reboot and see if it works :) Jan 05 14:41:41 I instaled Scratch box Jan 05 14:41:44 typed /opt/scratchbox/tools/bin/sb-menu Jan 05 14:41:56 there's S58wlancond and @S59icd2 in rc2.d so prolly your link will be named S60xyxyxy Jan 05 14:42:03 Please create one by running "sb-menu" before continuing Jan 05 14:42:28 Gyjf: you're aware you're in for reflash if that fails? Jan 05 14:42:44 :( Jan 05 14:42:49 lets hope it dosnt Jan 05 14:42:57 doublecheck Jan 05 14:43:05 well, it boots Jan 05 14:43:23 yeah, but does it finish? :-P Jan 05 14:44:49 (will be named S60xyxyxy) or S57dkjjhasd - depending on exact dependencies Jan 05 14:45:25 ...this is bad Jan 05 14:45:36 wlan0 interface disapeared Jan 05 14:45:39 bootloop? Jan 05 14:46:58 its showing up in iwconfig but not ifconfig Jan 05 14:47:13 hmm, what's the sequence number of your link? and what exactly does the script? Jan 05 14:47:42 Gyjf: that means it's off Jan 05 14:47:48 or simply put: when shall it be executed? Jan 05 14:48:05 try "ifconfig -a" Jan 05 14:48:12 the script loads the bleeding edge drivers for wlan that suports monitor mode and injection Jan 05 14:48:16 yeah, probably ICD isn't aware of it Jan 05 14:48:59 Gyjf: and this works when you do that on a fully booted system? Jan 05 14:49:05 yes Jan 05 14:49:15 :nod: Jan 05 14:49:29 i can just run it when its booted every time, but im laze Jan 05 14:49:30 then make you link look like S99jkfjskfh Jan 05 14:49:35 *lazy Jan 05 14:49:38 so it will execute last Jan 05 14:50:01 bbiab Jan 05 14:50:57 ok, how do i delete the symlink? Jan 05 14:51:04 rm? Jan 05 14:51:09 ok Jan 05 14:51:19 sorry for beeing a noob :P Jan 05 14:51:24 np Jan 05 14:51:42 noobs with intention to learn are welcome Jan 05 14:52:15 humble noobs are most welcome Jan 05 14:52:37 arrogant twats who think we owe them answers, however, are not. Jan 05 14:52:50 Luckily, this isn't ##php, so we don't really have those individuals Jan 05 14:52:50 yeah i know that kind... Jan 05 14:52:51 :-) Jan 05 14:53:08 im actually an irc op on another network :P Jan 05 14:53:36 crashanddie: i think that's because they're all on the forum :) Jan 05 14:53:42 I'm trying to connect my widget to my thingammy. Tell me how now!! Jan 05 14:53:49 NOW! Jan 05 14:55:52 im just used to put stuff in rc.local and have it work you know Jan 05 14:56:10 when it dosnt crashes the system xD Jan 05 14:57:52 Gyjf: that's not sysV init Jan 05 14:58:16 this however is sysv with a mix of upstart in it Jan 05 15:01:19 so, i rmd everything :P Jan 05 15:01:26 Gyjf: ah, before I forget: your script in init.d should resemble the other ones there Jan 05 15:02:34 everything as in * ? Jan 05 15:05:06 hey, is it possible to just configure an outgoing mail server on the N900? I got a main mail account for IMAP, and I occasionally want to send photos etc. to people over a secondary SMTP account, but don't want to receive mail on it Jan 05 15:05:38 azeem_: try it Jan 05 15:05:46 so I get an error message on every check; not setting a pop3 server just makes the "save" button go away Jan 05 15:06:12 re Jan 05 15:06:38 azeem_: known flaw in modest Jan 05 15:06:48 DocScrutinizer: ok, thx Jan 05 15:06:48 so, im back where i started Jan 05 15:06:50 * lardman marvels at the small size and weight of the HTC Tattoo Jan 05 15:06:59 and curses the fact it has no hw keyboard Jan 05 15:08:01 azeem_: set it to "localhost"? Jan 05 15:08:10 azeem_: I seem to recall somebody did a nice hack for it - just can't remember what it's been Jan 05 15:08:27 yeah, that maybe Jan 05 15:08:32 Jaffa: ok, lemme try; though I guess that will error out as well Jan 05 15:09:03 azeem_: what about configuring pop3, setting it to correct server, disable polling, set it to recieve 0 days from server Jan 05 15:09:11 azeem_: that *MAY* work Jan 05 15:09:33 jacekowski: AFAICT polling is configured centrally for all mail accounts Jan 05 15:09:39 yep Jan 05 15:09:55 localhost is invalid Jan 05 15:10:10 anyway, not a big issue; just thought there might be a quick workaround I missed Jan 05 15:10:41 ok, it accepts 127.0.0.1 Jan 05 15:11:08 hey, that might even work, no errors so far Jan 05 15:11:16 :nod: Jan 05 15:13:48 nah, I still get the error and get bumped back into settings :-/ Jan 05 15:14:08 I guess I could check the repositories for fake pop servers Jan 05 15:16:53 who is stenny Jan 05 15:18:29 I was going to compose a response to his post at the end of the Ask the Council thread (which simply shows he can't be arsed to find out what he's talking about), but then I realised I'm not supposed to, and it's TMO too Jan 05 15:18:42 so who cares Jan 05 15:19:06 \o/ Jan 05 15:30:06 lardman, I replied Jan 05 15:30:22 is there a guide somewhere on how to remove, even temporary, files/folder in N900 to save enough space to upgrade to PR1.3? Jan 05 15:31:52 how much rootfs space dyou have Jan 05 15:31:59 * lardman goes to look Jan 05 15:33:00 nidO, 39.6mb Jan 05 15:33:12 ouch Jan 05 15:33:28 you've got a fair bit of unoptified stuff installed then Jan 05 15:33:41 I know :-( Jan 05 15:33:47 crashanddie: looks good Jan 05 15:33:57 check out the wiki for freeing up rootfs space, there's a load of info there on stuff you can move/remove, and a script thatll tell you whats using all your rootfs space Jan 05 15:34:37 I also have claws-mail with lots of email, but do not check where it saves the email Jan 05 15:42:54 how do i shut down/reboot the n9000 from cli? Jan 05 15:43:03 * DocScrutinizer wonders why he's thinking "meego security framework" while reading this: http://www.tgdaily.com/opinion-features/53108-analysis-intel-to-introduce-processor-with-remote-kill-switch# Jan 05 15:43:25 since it dosnt have poweroff or reboot Jan 05 15:43:53 Gyjf: init 0 ? Jan 05 15:44:17 Gyjf, 'reboot' Jan 05 15:44:18 there are several methods Jan 05 15:44:26 "reboot" dosnt work Jan 05 15:44:34 reboot also should work, yes Jan 05 15:44:34 ive tried to apt it Jan 05 15:45:03 IroN900:~# which reboot Jan 05 15:45:05 /sbin/reboot Jan 05 15:45:39 IroN900:~# ls -l `which reboot` Jan 05 15:45:41 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2010-06-23 06:13 /sbin/reboot -> /bin/busybox Jan 05 15:45:42 how do i make that work from everywhere? Jan 05 15:46:06 ?? Jan 05 15:46:15 define "everywhere" Jan 05 15:46:50 if im in /home and just type poweroff it says comand not found Jan 05 15:47:04 you're not root? Jan 05 15:47:08 Gyjf, you need to be root Jan 05 15:47:26 ofc i have to be root Jan 05 15:47:30 IroN900:~# ls -l `which poweroff` Jan 05 15:47:32 on that note, what's the different between poweroff and halt? Jan 05 15:47:32 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2010-06-23 06:13 /sbin/poweroff -> /bin/busybox Jan 05 15:47:46 Gyjf, whoami ? Jan 05 15:47:51 root Jan 05 15:47:53 or id Jan 05 15:48:22 you maybe used sudo gainroot instead of root? Jan 05 15:48:30 (or other way round) Jan 05 15:48:36 echo $PATH Jan 05 15:48:47 both work fine for halt and reboot Jan 05 15:48:48 echo $HOME Jan 05 15:48:50 i am doing sudo gainroot Jan 05 15:49:05 weird... now it works Jan 05 15:49:36 yesterday or so when i tried it it just said comand not found Jan 05 15:50:03 iirc sudo gainroot doesn't change environment Jan 05 15:50:09 root does Jan 05 15:50:18 or was it other way round Jan 05 15:50:30 root changes to /root i think Jan 05 15:50:32 or / maybe Jan 05 15:50:37 no Jan 05 15:50:40 sudo gainroot just makes rou root Jan 05 15:50:41 sudo gainroot breaks env Jan 05 15:50:45 root keeps it Jan 05 15:51:01 sudo gainroot and run a Qt app, it won't be styled Jan 05 15:51:15 run a dbus signal, it'll fail Jan 05 15:51:30 meh Jan 05 15:52:29 both poweroff and reboot seems to work with the new kernel Jan 05 15:53:01 root jumps to /root Jan 05 15:53:11 and sudo gainroot keeps you where you were Jan 05 15:53:19 root sets user root's environment Jan 05 15:53:29 sudo gainroot keeps user user's env Jan 05 15:53:36 ye Jan 05 15:54:02 so sudo gainroot has no appropriate $PATH for root Jan 05 15:55:00 i always use sudo gainroot Jan 05 15:56:03 I never use sudo gainroot Jan 05 15:56:24 whats the cons? Jan 05 15:56:37 missing root environment Jan 05 15:57:09 reboot: error: command not found Jan 05 15:57:38 or ~/ is not ~root/ Jan 05 15:58:54 or simply: I'm used to a full root account. But not to being 'user' with root permissions Jan 05 15:59:07 ah Jan 05 15:59:18 well i often ssh in as root anyway Jan 05 15:59:25 and it's only 4 letters ;-D Jan 05 15:59:30 bigger screen and better keyboard Jan 05 15:59:36 ofc :P Jan 05 16:00:19 when you ssh-login as root, then you got a clean root environment Jan 05 16:00:25 ive just dumped my scripts in /home/user so its anoying that i get root env and have to cd Jan 05 16:00:40 I'd get confused on not finding the same on devices xterm Jan 05 16:01:33 wtf got files that are neither writeable nor executable by user, what they got to do in /home/user? Jan 05 16:02:10 sudo gainroot keeps user user's env Jan 05 16:02:16 no, it's the other way round Jan 05 16:02:21 no Jan 05 16:02:23 sudo gainroot breaks env Jan 05 16:02:25 no Jan 05 16:02:28 I just CHECKED it Jan 05 16:02:47 eitherway, it's broken Jan 05 16:03:22 sudo gainroot; echo $HOME $PATH; exit; echo $HOME $PATH; root; echo $HOME $PATH; Jan 05 16:03:48 sudo gainroot == su; root = su - Jan 05 16:04:53 right Jan 05 16:06:07 - aka login shell Jan 05 16:09:53 also note that sudo changed from not stripping env by default to by default striping it Jan 05 16:11:22 hi i am using n900 with att go phone sim but everytime i make call it lasts for few seconds then disconnects with eroo Jan 05 16:11:37 error message connection error Jan 05 16:11:50 any ideas why? Jan 05 16:13:36 tybollt_: nice. When? Mine even changed from not asking any password by default to asking for ROOT password on sudo gainroot / root Jan 05 16:14:14 DocScrutinizer: sorry what I mean is upstream sudo did that - not speaking of the particular configuration in Maemo. Jan 05 16:14:32 ooh Jan 05 16:15:11 maemo's sudo is from plaeozen Jan 05 16:15:59 it doesn't even know #include and #include-dir, otherwise we might get rid or never have seen this abomination called update-sudoers Jan 05 16:16:50 hmm, multi tasking, downloading 5 different apps Jan 05 16:17:05 and all going rather slow, but I guess far quicker than HAM Jan 05 16:17:17 you're not talking bout HAM, are you? ;-P Jan 05 16:17:24 no, this is Android Jan 05 16:17:28 aah, nope Jan 05 16:17:57 * lardman thinks about summoning the determination to do something with HAM Jan 05 16:18:17 like fapman? Jan 05 16:18:36 I don't really like that interface either tbh Jan 05 16:19:12 interface of ham? Jan 05 16:19:14 thats bad Jan 05 16:19:19 is fam really good? Jan 05 16:19:20 I can't even recall it. fapboy made it off my device after 8min 30 Jan 05 16:19:47 No, I like fapman less than HAM (interface-wise) Jan 05 16:20:20 is really fam faster than ham? :D Jan 05 16:20:31 lardman: check HAM when restoring applications... nice :-D Jan 05 16:21:34 long list of checkboxes - wonder why we can't have/use/exploit that on a 'normal' install Jan 05 16:21:36 do anyone know how to turn off autoupdate? Jan 05 16:21:44 yes Jan 05 16:22:01 docscrutinizer: quite Jan 05 16:22:03 if you refer to the scheduled one Jan 05 16:22:08 or even just download and install in the bg Jan 05 16:22:43 lol, scrolling on this Tattoo is even more jerky than on the N900 Jan 05 16:23:17 SharRakorR: ?? Jan 05 16:23:39 http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check meh, take it or leave it Jan 05 16:23:54 o/ Jan 05 16:23:58 DocScrutinizer: oh thanks,i will take a look Jan 05 16:28:21 well Google maps is not very good at parsing addresses Jan 05 16:28:27 DocScrutinizer: yes the update-sudoers things struck me as kind of odd :) Jan 05 16:36:52 google maps mainly always just pisses me off because it insists my postcode is about a mile away from where it actually is Jan 05 16:37:00 ok.. I managed to free rootfs, now I have 45.1 mb free, is this ok for upgrading to PR1.3 safely Jan 05 16:37:44 I vaguely recall it wanted 65M free Jan 05 16:38:00 anyone here has a HP notebook ? Jan 05 16:38:14 SpeedEvil, ohh... this is a long way to go Jan 05 16:38:21 when do i get injection drivers for the wifiez? Jan 05 16:38:34 where* Jan 05 16:38:43 smhar: however - I'm unsure that's the right number Jan 05 16:44:56 epp: yeah my wife certainly need an injection or two. Jan 05 16:45:09 nidO: same with mine, heh... there's a "report an error" function, might give it a try Jan 05 16:45:21 I did that like a year ago Jan 05 16:45:22 no change Jan 05 16:45:39 mine used to be correct, then randomly started being incorrect recently Jan 05 16:45:47 I think its actually that google just doesnt know my full postcode exists Jan 05 16:46:06 im at nr1 3sg, and it just shows it as being at the same place as nr1 Jan 05 16:46:11 it also puts my actual street address about a quarter mile away, heh (but if you add 1 to the number, it puts it correctly... go figure) Jan 05 16:47:22 hah, yeah, it says nr1 3sg isn't found and suggests just nr1 Jan 05 16:48:20 I was trying to find my house and it got confused by the address curiously Jan 05 16:48:39 and then started suggesting all sorts of places rather than just falling back to the postcode Jan 05 16:49:24 heh, yeah, i enjoy telling friends that they can't abide by google maps in order to find my place :( Jan 05 16:49:57 luckily every single other mapping service does nail my address precisely Jan 05 16:49:58 but my issue is with the Android version of the app, so perhaps not a problem with the desktop browser version Jan 05 16:50:44 yeah the desktop version works fine, even gives a snapshot of the flats Jan 05 16:51:24 * lardman looks at streetview and sees summer Jan 05 16:51:51 it's always summer where google is Jan 05 16:51:57 :-P Jan 05 16:52:19 ~lart on-screen keyboards Jan 05 16:52:19 * infobot accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets on-screen keyboards feel it Jan 05 16:52:45 there are other mapping services than google? :P Jan 05 16:53:10 not immediately obvious on this phone Jan 05 16:54:05 there's also no streetview where i live, oddly Jan 05 16:54:09 * lardman loves that the top item in Android Marketplace is "Menstrual Calendar" :D Jan 05 16:54:29 they used to have it, but then it disappeared... removed it from my entire area, except a couple major roads Jan 05 16:54:30 ~botsnack Jan 05 16:54:31 thanks, lolloo Jan 05 16:55:16 the streetmap data where I am is just really really old :( Jan 05 16:55:33 is skype down? Jan 05 16:55:50 not here Jan 05 16:55:55 im logged in fine, at least Jan 05 16:56:10 call echo123 Jan 05 16:56:17 does it "ring"? Jan 05 16:56:19 yesterday was down Jan 05 16:56:28 its ok with me. Jan 05 16:56:48 sigh Jan 05 16:56:50 * MohammadAG reboots Jan 05 16:56:56 yesterday I couldnt sign. Jan 05 16:57:06 echo test seems to not be answering Jan 05 16:57:25 sign out and back in Jan 05 16:57:27 it'll fail Jan 05 16:57:41 it's their retarded login service Jan 05 16:57:47 it keeps you logged in even when you're not Jan 05 16:57:56 its just logged me back in fine Jan 05 16:58:04 aha Jan 05 16:58:09 is there any good gps app with local maps for fremantle? Jan 05 16:58:33 local maps or local routing? Jan 05 16:58:38 * lardman wonders what the "Battery use" table actually measures - CPU time I guess Jan 05 16:58:39 marble's cool Jan 05 16:58:50 local maps Jan 05 16:59:03 so i dont need internet to use it Jan 05 16:59:06 try marble Jan 05 16:59:09 then ovi, mappero, marble, and sygic Jan 05 16:59:30 ovi complains when i dont have internet Jan 05 16:59:42 that's normal Jan 05 16:59:48 you can just ignore it Jan 05 16:59:58 it uses an online service to do lookups though doesn't it? Jan 05 17:00:12 yes, he specified local maps only though, not local routing Jan 05 17:00:18 ah ok Jan 05 17:00:56 i want something to tell me how to get from point a to point b without internet access :P Jan 05 17:01:04 walk Jan 05 17:01:10 skype's back Jan 05 17:01:18 guess it was a local problem Jan 05 17:02:14 Gyjf: that'd be local routing Jan 05 17:02:33 ok then i need both local routing and local maps Jan 05 17:02:47 then you're shit out of luck for now Jan 05 17:03:16 oh wait marble does offline routing with monav doesnt it? Jan 05 17:03:18 sygic will do it methinks, but not free (or cheap even) Jan 05 17:03:20 there are osm based solutions Jan 05 17:03:40 they are of varyuing utility depending on the quality of coverage in your area Jan 05 17:05:30 marble says offline routing Jan 05 17:05:52 and it has maps of the moon lol Jan 05 17:06:19 probably not routing there though Jan 05 17:07:07 dammit! how am i gonna find anything now? the internet is really bad on the moon :( Jan 05 17:07:30 I did some sums - and GPS on the moon works moderately OK Jan 05 17:07:40 You need a ~2m dish pointed at earth Jan 05 17:08:56 could you get propper internet with that same dish? Jan 05 17:09:45 SpeedEvil: far-side of the moon could be troublesome Jan 05 17:09:54 lardman: indeed Jan 05 17:10:12 just because it's not well mapped of course ;) Jan 05 17:10:34 the geometry somewhat sucks - you only get a few sats that are just on the horizon Jan 05 17:10:38 makes me think of dark side of the moon :D Jan 05 17:10:53 the album Jan 05 17:11:06 do GPS sats not have directional antennae? Jan 05 17:11:17 lardman: yes, they do. Jan 05 17:11:39 lardman: But there is a little overspill out past the horizon, to ensure that teh horizon is well illuminated Jan 05 17:11:40 so you won't "see" those that are directly between the moon and Earth? Jan 05 17:11:48 ok, is there any CLI gps app for just grabbing coordinates? Jan 05 17:12:02 So you get a 'ring' of sats just coming up. Jan 05 17:12:07 yep Jan 05 17:12:18 and they are a reasonably long way up Jan 05 17:12:46 halfway to GEO - ~20000km - so the extra distance to the moon can be made up by a modest antenna. Jan 05 17:12:52 i've decided to use alcohol to solve my problems Jan 05 17:12:58 lol Jan 05 17:13:05 The doppler is even right too. But - the position solver will get confused Jan 05 17:14:02 Gyjf: there's probably some random test app someone wrote... maemo uses a custom api for gps stuff, but the whole thing would be a tiny app (hell, check the example code for the api, might be just that -- a simple cli app to print the coords) Jan 05 17:14:36 i want something to just get the coordinates if it gets stolen etc Jan 05 17:14:54 Well. Moo. Jan 05 17:14:55 ssh in grab coordinates, snap photo give it to me Jan 05 17:14:55 smscon Jan 05 17:14:56 Gyjf: there are also in many places ways you can do that via the modem Jan 05 17:15:10 Gyjf: 'track your phone over the web' Jan 05 17:15:13 type places Jan 05 17:15:25 isn't there some application to do that via sms Jan 05 17:15:31 yeah, smscon. Jan 05 17:15:58 if you want to do it yourself tho Jan 05 17:16:04 check liblocation Jan 05 17:16:26 its very simple.. Jan 05 17:16:33 is that in python? Jan 05 17:16:42 i believe in C Jan 05 17:16:54 but i translated it to Delphi with ease.. Jan 05 17:17:09 isnt qt python? Jan 05 17:17:13 its not very big and its simple to translate.. Jan 05 17:17:19 there's a qt mobility wrapper in pyside which should do the job in python Jan 05 17:17:35 Gyjf: no Jan 05 17:17:39 it's C++ Jan 05 17:17:41 hmm marble is unbeliveable slow Jan 05 17:17:45 python-location is the python wrapper for liblocation Jan 05 17:17:59 and i can just apt-get that? Jan 05 17:18:24 yep Jan 05 17:18:59 http://www.mathmos.fr/eu/mathmos-astro-replacement-bottles-1273-0.html just 27 euro and you can experiment with your own cpu-heat-driven lava lamp Jan 05 17:21:22 * lardman heads for home, bbl Jan 05 17:26:03 enjoy Jan 05 17:28:24 yeah, but what are the odds that the cpu die will overheat to the point it starts melting the rest of the board? Jan 05 17:31:41 Cool, now my waypoints are rendering in the trackview, and I've got a bearing to waypoint indicator in my compass. Jan 05 17:31:51 Almost time for another release. Jan 05 17:42:55 you would want to use a cpu that can withstand heat up to 70c or so Jan 05 17:43:10 as well as ensure a good transfer to the lamp Jan 05 17:44:09 hahaha, i think i already have my favourite political quote for 2011 ""After this vote, I will politically haunt you," Daly said to Chiu. "It's on like Donkey Kong."" Jan 05 17:46:18 Hmmm Jan 05 17:48:11 Anyone can enlighten me what this Backtrack Mobile thing is, is it free, and is it usable with a vanilla kernel? Jan 05 17:49:13 alterego: neat Jan 05 17:49:16 pupnik: 70°C? damn, my CPU rarely is cooler than that Jan 05 17:49:36 pupnik: You get CPUs rated to work up to 250C. Jan 05 17:49:45 Of course - they are not very cheap. Jan 05 17:50:16 Speed: Are they capable of *producing* 250oC though? Jan 05 17:50:20 yes Jan 05 17:50:21 you of course have to distinguish between die temp and heatsink temp Jan 05 17:50:25 with enough insulation Jan 05 17:50:41 hehe Jan 05 17:50:49 http://www.honeywell.com/sites/portal?smap=aerospace&page=High-Temp-Electonics3&theme=T5&catID=C8CB0A123-D15A-925D-8BF2-3FBCC5E54BB7&id=H0F4347A8-B418-9BBF-51D2-4FE2F72E6EC1&sel=3 Jan 05 17:50:52 my notebook always turn off when im about 95C :D Jan 05 17:52:01 IIRC the prices were $700ish for a 8051 Jan 05 17:52:39 OMG Jan 05 17:53:01 Care to find a datasheet on that one?With the price? =) Jan 05 17:53:21 they took prices off the webstore Jan 05 17:53:30 at least the public bit Jan 05 17:53:32 laptop, pentium-dualcore 1.8GHz, system load 15%, fan full speed ("fixed" defect): 57°C Jan 05 17:54:15 But consider how difficult it is to cool a regular 8051 that may have a max temp of 125C - in a 200C environment - especially if power might go out occasionally Jan 05 17:54:41 And if it dies, you need to bring up a huge long drill-string. Jan 05 17:54:42 8051 has brains of a cockroach Jan 05 17:54:47 Sure. Jan 05 17:55:02 But it's quite adequate for datalogging stuff, and many computational tasks. Jan 05 17:55:04 you also can get radiation hardened processors, for viking etc space probes, sats etc. Damn expensive, damn old architecture Jan 05 17:55:05 So, I do not think making it withstand 125oC will be such a problem Jan 05 17:55:20 DocScrutinizer: you mean awesome Jan 05 17:55:29 RST38h: 250C - sustained for a month or so - the above part is rated to. Jan 05 17:55:41 Ah, sustained for a month... Jan 05 17:55:47 Evil Jan 05 17:56:17 Sometimes expensive stuff works out cheaper than trying to use commodity, and keep it reasonably cool. Jan 05 17:56:20 Satan's very own 8051. For datalogging,I am sure. Jan 05 17:56:41 down-hole apps in deep drilling. Jan 05 17:57:27 Speed: I did not know they kept anything more than a few sensors and some line transmitters down there Jan 05 17:57:37 RST38h: they don't Jan 05 17:57:52 RST38h: but multiplexing and stuff means you can put more sensors down there. Jan 05 17:58:12 + you probably get better readings converting them to digital in situ... Jan 05 17:58:33 that too, yes. Jan 05 18:03:06 * DocScrutinizer grins at Panasonic toughbooks' HDD heating Jan 05 18:03:44 * DocScrutinizer idly wonders down to which lower temperature a CPU actually will work Jan 05 18:08:15 depends if you can avoid condensation Jan 05 18:08:44 Easy in a vacuum Jan 05 18:08:44 liquid nitrogen cooling is used during overlocking contests Jan 05 18:08:48 heh Jan 05 18:09:13 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hardening Jan 05 18:09:29 Also - what it will work down to once, for an hour, and what it will work for if you subject it to multiple heat/cool cycles varies Jan 05 18:12:33 yeah, but is there a physically defined limit where semiconductors become isolators, or some other effect, that is an ABS MIN, comparable to ABS MAX of 2xx°C where the silicon dotation structure breaks Jan 05 18:12:36 Doc: Lower temperatures are generally no problem Jan 05 18:12:53 Doc: Except that CPUs tend to heat upon their own of course :) Jan 05 18:18:15 is there some well known reason why my GPS seems totally unable to get a fix these days? (that's even with internet connection, and leaving it for ages -- it just never shows a single satalite any more -- I think it probably went wrong a couple of months ago) Jan 05 18:18:27 this is on an n900 Jan 05 18:19:38 SD Association triples SDHC and SDXC speeds with UHS-II standard Jan 05 18:19:56 [somebody else is addressing our swap performance, it seems =)] Jan 05 18:20:31 Does it address small-block writes? Jan 05 18:21:00 Probably not: the main target appears to be digitalphotography and video Jan 05 18:21:52 fil: insert a SIM, register to GSM, start "Location Test" app Jan 05 18:23:16 fil: my tests seem to suggest a connection to internet doesn't help Jan 05 18:23:50 Woo Jan 05 18:24:00 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7929 Jan 05 18:24:29 DocScrutinizer: ah, thanks, I'll give that a go Jan 05 18:24:32 Lens Rentals is sending me a Canon 70-200 f/2.8L IS II for 5 days for a grand total of $70 Jan 05 18:24:57 fil: also "leaving for ages" doesn't help as most apps using GPS stop that after 60s of fruitless effort Jan 05 18:25:08 loacation test doesn't Jan 05 18:26:05 ovi maps for example restarts GPS for another 60s when getting focus / window to foreground Jan 05 18:30:03 GAN: BTW, is Borders going tits-up? Have I missed something? Jan 05 18:35:06 heh Jan 05 18:35:21 there's a tv show showing on finnish tv showing sponsored laptops Jan 05 18:36:24 (it looks like it's Extreme Makeover: Home Edition) Jan 05 18:36:50 is zImage the same as vmlinuz? Jan 05 18:36:51 http://www.livedash.com/transcript/extreme_makeover__home_edition_(2_2)-(py_family)/4692/TVLANDP/Sunday_October_17_2010/320842/ Jan 05 18:37:06 psycho_oreos: it's probably gzip'd Jan 05 18:37:32 timeless_mbp, hmm both of those are reported via file as just data Jan 05 18:37:37 heh, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vmlinux ; http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/what-is-the-different-between-vmlinux-and-zimage-292784/ Jan 05 18:37:57 the second one says : typically from what i've seen, "vmlinuz" is just a link to the systems kernel image which in your case is zImage. Jan 05 18:38:50 > No specific tool exists to unpack the bzImage file, but there exists a script named extract-ikconfig, which decompresses the image and extracts build configuration directives from the image. One may modify it to get the decompressed image directly. Some distributions (e.g. Red Hat and clones) may come with a kernel-debuginfo RPM that contains the vmlinux file for the matching kernel RPM, it typically gets installed under Jan 05 18:38:51 /usr/lib/debug/lib/modules/`uname -r`/vmlinux Jan 05 18:41:21 timeless_mbp, thanks, gonna give meddling a try Jan 05 18:41:28 meddling? Jan 05 18:44:08 timeless_mbp, tinkering :) Jan 05 18:44:16 have fun Jan 05 18:44:23 (and a backup!) Jan 05 18:46:08 timeless_mbp, thanks :) and it looks like it didn't work (multiboot+kernel-power-46+kernel-maemo+backupmenu) Jan 05 18:49:49 what is backupmenu for please? Jan 05 18:50:19 for backup Jan 05 18:50:41 backup what? Jan 05 18:51:04 psycho_oreos: multiboot and backupmenu might interfere Jan 05 18:51:36 someone get uboot working with menus ;) Jan 05 18:51:49 I agree Jan 05 18:51:52 also multiboot is deprecated (by me :-D ) Jan 05 18:51:54 something like a select kernel, then we can have all kernels on one partition and select between them Jan 05 18:51:58 uboot in multiboot! Jan 05 18:52:05 no Jan 05 18:52:11 uboot alone Jan 05 18:52:14 DocScrutinizer, I followed a guide here: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=911733&postcount=12 and it seems like backupmenu doesn't work Jan 05 18:52:26 putting uboot in multiboot just gets you deeper in a broken rabbit hole Jan 05 18:52:41 hehe Jan 05 18:52:53 what about meego kernel in multiboot! Jan 05 18:53:30 no, multiboot can fck off :P Jan 05 18:53:37 hehe Jan 05 18:53:43 no way I need it for android Jan 05 18:53:45 flashing a kernel each time I boot isn't something I want Jan 05 18:54:03 then get android working with uboot Jan 05 18:54:11 What is: /dev/mtd1? Jan 05 18:54:20 it's not that hard, just get a 3rd partition on the SD card and convert the zImage to a uImage Jan 05 18:54:27 NIN101, config partition Jan 05 18:54:31 thx Jan 05 18:54:36 stores IMEI / lock code Jan 05 18:54:40 etc Jan 05 18:54:50 even logs your firmware and kernel flashes Jan 05 18:55:00 how can I convert zlmage to ulmage? Jan 05 18:55:38 just found out the lock code is just DES... Jan 05 18:55:39 and OC ;-D Jan 05 18:55:43 cracked in seconds. Jan 05 18:55:56 mkimage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 80008000 -e 80008000 -n "Maemo 5 - kernel-power-2.6.28 46" -d zImage uImage Jan 05 18:56:01 heh, we already know this :-) Jan 05 18:56:11 indeed we do Jan 05 18:56:12 ok saved! Jan 05 18:56:19 it's just that, your average crook doesn't know that Jan 05 18:56:26 NIN101: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=524522#post524522 Jan 05 18:56:32 -n is the name that shows in uboot Jan 05 18:56:50 DocScrutinizer, how do you override CMDLINE in uboot? Jan 05 18:57:01 I know DocScrutinizer, I haven't lost it, just curious and already cracked mine Jan 05 18:57:11 NIN101: even more funny: the default there is 12345 - *not* the hash of 12345 Jan 05 18:57:21 lol Jan 05 18:58:28 MohammadAG: no idea Jan 05 18:58:42 boot=? Jan 05 18:58:53 wow this backupmenu Jan 05 18:58:55 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Jan 05 18:59:07 wow, we all have seen Jan 05 18:59:18 yeah I never knew!!! Jan 05 18:59:33 I will install it. Jan 05 19:00:11 don't come asking how to fix the mtd when you restore a backup Jan 05 19:00:31 hehe Jan 05 19:00:46 is it big issue? Jan 05 19:00:57 yes Jan 05 19:01:05 I had to use a custom kernel to wipe the mtd Jan 05 19:01:11 flasher wouldn't flash the device Jan 05 19:01:18 omg Jan 05 19:01:35 if you use it for anything other than Jan 05 19:01:38 that that* Jan 05 19:01:40 you're good Jan 05 19:02:21 and it conflicts with multiboot Jan 05 19:02:30 * trumee xbmc running on N900, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAH8GqYmeGs Jan 05 19:02:36 actually, it needs bootmenu -> conlict Jan 05 19:02:41 conflict Jan 05 19:03:02 * trumee would prefer mythtv instead. Jan 05 19:03:11 nice fake tty Jan 05 19:05:23 it sounds scary Jan 05 19:07:56 Hi Jan 05 19:08:16 hi Jan 05 19:11:39 RST38h, quite possibly. Jan 05 19:12:06 RST38h, they're both running themselves out of business with ebooks Jan 05 19:13:06 I think Borders owes their suppliers some ridiculous amount of money. Jan 05 19:40:28 DocScrutinizer: forcing location test to use AGNSS seems to have done the trick -- thanks for that, it's all back to normal now :-) Jan 05 19:53:43 yw. Glad to help Jan 05 20:12:02 http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/Screenshot-20110105-200040.png Jan 05 20:12:20 is it milky way? Jan 05 20:12:30 zoomed out a bit too much?=) Jan 05 20:12:42 Heh Jan 05 20:13:51 Or is it a graphical representation of "I do not remember too much of what happened since I've left the pub..." ? =) Jan 05 20:14:36 Hah Jan 05 20:14:51 Well, actually, the pub waypoint being white means it's the target destination. Jan 05 20:14:56 also, why is the pub in the sky Jan 05 20:15:14 Where's the sky? Jan 05 20:15:19 everywherrre Jan 05 20:15:26 Meanwhile: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343881/Presidents-aide-John-Wheeler-dead-Delaware-landfill-Police-admit-leads.html Jan 05 20:15:44 I didn't realise the milky way was only 15.69km across Jan 05 20:16:05 budget cuts Jan 05 20:16:12 * SpeedEvil is reminded of 'the universe is a sphere of 583m in diameter' Jan 05 20:16:19 From TNG Jan 05 20:16:25 yep Jan 05 20:16:30 (I'm unsure of the exact diameter quoted) Jan 05 20:16:40 and the lab assistants have left. Jan 05 20:17:05 654m in diameter says google. Jan 05 20:17:41 "He was the first chief executive of Mothers Against Drunk Driving" Jan 05 20:18:00 Am I the only one feeling uncomfortable when reading this sentence? Jan 05 20:18:23 It's no sillier than many other buisness sentances. Jan 05 20:18:46 And all it means is that he was CEO. He just wasn't against drunk driving. Jan 05 20:19:04 Ah I see Jan 05 20:24:14 Well, whatever he has been against, it managed to off him somewhere around Newark, DE country club and dump his corpse into a garbage bin. Jan 05 20:24:16 see, it's even news in britain when an old white guy no one's ever heard of gets killed Jan 05 20:24:43 maybe somebody confused him with an E.T. NES cartridge Jan 05 20:24:47 ieatlint: Well, it is not just an old white guy, that is the point Jan 05 20:24:52 i wouldn't call the Daily Mail "news" Jan 05 20:25:14 RST38h: i stand by my description Jan 05 20:25:29 unless you want to claim even 1 in a thousand americans had heard of him prior to this Jan 05 20:25:39 These do not get randomly killed, they get offed for reasons Jan 05 20:26:54 anyone can get randomly killed Jan 05 20:27:35 could be a politically-motivated hit Jan 05 20:27:45 Yes, and you can even suffocate if all oxygen atoms fly to the other end of your room Jan 05 20:27:49 could also be some random crazy person Jan 05 20:29:12 so the guy played a minor role in gw bush's administration several years ago, was against drunk driving, worked in 2 president's administrations about 20 years ago, and nearly 30 years ago... that's some hell of a premeditation Jan 05 20:29:25 timeless_mbp, this is a better place to respond. Jan 05 20:29:41 did you poke me here? Jan 05 20:29:45 timeless_mbp, what addon? Jan 05 20:29:47 there's no (announced) specific reason to think it was anything but random Jan 05 20:29:58 of course there is none Jan 05 20:30:08 tens of thousands of people have worked in presidential administrations over the last 30 years... Jan 05 20:30:08 it should have microb in its name.. Jan 05 20:30:11 timeless_mbp, didnt want to distract ppl in foss :) Jan 05 20:30:14 odds are, it had nothing to do with it Jan 05 20:30:36 actually, the odds are it did, but anyway Jan 05 20:30:42 timeless_mbp, is it in the repos? or do i search google? Jan 05 20:30:52 i think it should be in the repos Jan 05 20:31:26 * trumee fires up fapman Jan 05 20:34:01 timeless_mbp, microb-engine-common-ext? Jan 05 20:34:07 sounds good Jan 05 20:34:10 what's it say? Jan 05 20:35:07 timeless_mbp, cert and password manager for microb. Jan 05 20:35:16 which is what you want? :) Jan 05 20:36:17 timeless_mbp, crap, it hasn't made it to extras. Jan 05 20:36:30 trumee: we're way too lazy to deal w/ that stuff Jan 05 20:36:32 do an nmu Jan 05 20:36:35 or whatever Jan 05 20:36:38 is it in -testing? Jan 05 20:36:43 if so, i can +1 it Jan 05 20:36:57 timeless_mbp, nmu? Jan 05 20:37:02 ~nmu Jan 05 20:37:02 extra, extra, read all about it, nmu is Non Maintainer Upload, it's when a debian developer which is not the maintainer of a package uploads an update of said package Jan 05 20:37:12 infobot: good bot Jan 05 20:37:12 :), timeless_mbp Jan 05 20:39:00 timeless_mbp, http://maemo.org/packages/view/microb-engine-common-ext/ Jan 05 20:39:17 timeless_mbp, hasnt made to testing yet Jan 05 20:39:20 trumee: do an nmu Jan 05 20:39:58 trumee: romaxa is unlikely to care enough about -testing/- Jan 05 20:40:03 you could contact him first Jan 05 20:40:19 (and probably should) Jan 05 20:40:37 ok will do that. Jan 05 20:44:07 * timeless_mbp sighs Jan 05 20:44:32 en-US: "Come here old man". translated to fi: "Tervetula" (welcome) Jan 05 20:44:40 it's technically a translation Jan 05 20:49:46 google probably would do better Jan 05 20:58:27 err Tervetuloa (sorry for the typo) Jan 05 21:10:09 Where does maemo saves your inputs in input fields? For example, my TrueCrypt password is somewhere saved and this isn't that good :-) Jan 05 21:11:24 there's an auto complete editor Jan 05 21:13:16 * RST38h watching 2009 StarTrek movie on the idiot box. Hopefully, the translator has been fired without pay and shot. Jan 05 21:13:55 Unless they used Google Translate or something. Jan 05 21:13:59 lol Jan 05 21:14:02 translator for? Jan 05 21:14:12 were there russian parts in that movie? Jan 05 21:14:25 kindle only 111, might get one Jan 05 21:15:47 It's not bad. Jan 05 21:15:54 I find the lack of a backlight annoing. Jan 05 21:16:01 Maybe the lit cae would fix that. Jan 05 21:16:16 Maybe my use-case is odd, but most of the time I read in the dark, to go to sleep. Jan 05 21:16:29 Hrm, well, I wouldn't be getting it for a backlight. Jan 05 21:16:32 And with the n900, I can simply put it down. Jan 05 21:16:43 With the kindle, I have to fiddle with the light. Jan 05 21:17:03 rm_work: Try translated it from English to Russian,with voiceovers Jan 05 21:17:26 I'd like to know how well the N900 and it can interoperate, like, sharing PDFs between them etc. Jan 05 21:17:27 lol, dubbed in Russian? :P you know english just watch it in english Jan 05 21:17:43 ok this is the file: /home/user/.osso/dictionaries/.personal.dictionary Jan 05 21:17:47 rm_work: It is the idiot box, Ido not have a choice Jan 05 21:18:28 lol Jan 05 21:18:42 rm_work: they actually even got the voices right, too bad the translator has not got a clue Jan 05 21:18:49 RST38h, MADD is one of the more evil organizations out there. Jan 05 21:19:34 GAN: I wouldn't expect anything else from something headed by a Reagan/Bush advisor. Jan 05 21:19:48 RST38h, wrong reason. Jan 05 21:20:07 GAN: Maybe, but a good heuristic nevertheless Jan 05 21:21:00 Meh Jan 05 21:21:08 Democrats are just as corrupt. Jan 05 21:21:24 GAN: No argument here. Jan 05 21:21:41 GAN: They are just corrupt *differently* :) Jan 05 21:22:29 Republicans think you're evil, Democrats think you're stupid. ;) Jan 05 21:23:12 GAN: Republicans also think you are their cattle Jan 05 21:23:24 No, they both do. Jan 05 21:23:29 GAN: Democrats probably think so too, justnot as openly Jan 05 21:24:35 On-topic, who's thinking about trying to make the May conference? Jan 05 21:24:46 * RST38h made a nice little CPU emulation compiler Jan 05 21:24:57 We need another mini Summit. Jan 05 21:25:00 GAN: Maybe. May is so far away... Jan 05 21:25:19 GAN: We need a device. Until we have a device, these summits won't be much fun Jan 05 21:25:48 True enough. Jan 05 21:25:50 They will basically be missing on two groups out of three (i.e. users and app developers) Jan 05 21:26:06 Although getting together to drink and moan is reasonably cathartic. Jan 05 21:26:28 I do not think we need a summit for that :) Jan 05 21:27:28 Yes, but then the drinks are free. :P Jan 05 21:31:17 drink and moan? Jan 05 21:31:27 I might have understood that the wrong way Jan 05 21:38:20 * trumee another dev leaving, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=912241&postcount=297 Jan 05 21:40:44 crashanddie, drink and complain, weirdo. Jan 05 21:41:10 lmao Jan 05 21:41:22 trumee, old news. Jan 05 21:41:39 trumee, and one is hardly surprised. ;) Jan 05 21:41:40 GAN900, k Jan 05 21:42:29 YOu can complain on tmo =) Jan 05 21:42:34 Those of us who've been punished from the beginning have been punished a lot. Jan 05 21:42:39 hrw more than many. Jan 05 21:46:46 nice Jan 05 21:46:55 sp3000: so... my ideapad's wifi is broken Jan 05 21:47:05 the troubleshooter temporarily showed [ Cancel ] [ Cancel ] Jan 05 21:48:32 oh cute Jan 05 21:48:40 there's a hardware switch on the side of the computer Jan 05 21:48:51 the trouble shooter mentions it, but only if you go into details Jan 05 21:51:41 worst part is the few projects that are active now get yelled and trolled for trying to do something... Jan 05 21:51:54 I'm thinking I'll just get an iPad or Android tablet and dev on that Jan 05 21:51:59 I'm sure there's projects I can contribute to Jan 05 21:52:19 really, now I'm just waiting to see if MeeGo will live up to the hype Jan 05 21:52:59 GAN900: what May conf? Jan 05 21:53:13 crashanddie, yelled and trolled at tmo? Jan 05 21:53:14 crashanddie_, in SF. Jan 05 21:53:53 trumee: in the Ask Council thread, the trollfest was moved out of that thread into its own Jan 05 21:53:57 trumee: new thread URL: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67905 Jan 05 21:54:08 GAN900: probably too far for me, you going? Jan 05 21:54:13 GAN900: for once you won't need a passport Jan 05 21:54:29 crashanddie_, probably. Jan 05 21:54:37 Maybe even if I can't get sponsorship. Jan 05 21:54:53 crashanddie_, stenny and Matan? Jan 05 21:55:05 Hardly worth worrying about the state of the community over. Jan 05 21:55:23 Besides, where are the cool people in Android/iOS. :P Jan 05 21:56:41 800euros round trip Jan 05 21:56:58 might be worth it Jan 05 21:57:05 do we have dates? Jan 05 21:57:49 Believe so. Jan 05 21:57:49 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_Spring_2011 Jan 05 21:57:55 may 23 - 25 Jan 05 21:59:02 heh Jan 05 21:59:10 i'd spend my bday in a plane? Jan 05 21:59:45 lol Jan 05 22:00:40 or fly a day earlier? Jan 05 22:00:58 26th is my bday :P Jan 05 22:01:10 600euro round trip Jan 05 22:01:12 /later Jan 05 22:01:13 :P Jan 05 22:01:34 ieatlint: well, thanks to Nointel, 23-25 is like mid week Jan 05 22:01:41 so I'd lose a whole week of holidays Jan 05 22:02:05 GAN900: I'll think about it Jan 05 22:02:52 there'll be good beer Jan 05 22:03:18 in SF? Jan 05 22:03:20 Nowai Jan 05 22:03:55 and all the cool kids think that grey goose is the best vodka around Jan 05 22:04:17 heh, no, hangar one is the best vodka around Jan 05 22:05:32 tsk tsk tsk, another mid week conference :P Jan 05 22:07:32 there won't be a lack of good booze here though... we have napa valley immediately to the north, one of the best small distilleries across the bay (where they film all those episodes of mythbusters on the old runway), and awesome local breweries throughout the area Jan 05 22:08:34 MohammadAG, don't you remember, we don't want your kind there. Jan 05 22:08:38 209 gin FTW Jan 05 22:08:57 It even rhymes! Jan 05 22:09:18 heh Jan 05 22:09:41 we have tons of good beer here Jan 05 22:10:15 hmm, SF. that's actually close enough I could go Jan 05 22:11:51 GAN900, /me cries Jan 05 22:24:03 so, they did indeed announce windows nt for arm. Jan 05 22:24:13 heh Jan 05 22:24:53 So my plan was to buy a second N900 to use while my first N900 goes in for repair Jan 05 22:25:02 (and maybe sell one of them if/when nokia manages to repair it) Jan 05 22:25:23 they're not going to use stock explorer.exe as gui for windows for arm Jan 05 22:25:27 s/gui/shell Jan 05 22:25:47 ShadowJK, what happen to your fone Jan 05 22:25:50 so it will be something more like what apple did . Jan 05 22:26:21 But, of the 3 big stores in town, one didn't have it at all (and the seller was a useless drooling lobotomized idiot), second store had only a display model, and some window shopper had entered a lock code, so I would have had to crack that myself or have it on 3 week round trip to nokia anyway Jan 05 22:26:59 and third store had the most helpful seller, who claimed that the N900 is out of production, but that their (the store's) main warehouse still has 3 of them, and that although it'd be difficult he'd be able to get one for me Jan 05 22:27:03 :/ Jan 05 22:27:08 pradeep_, cellmo probably desoldered itself Jan 05 22:27:12 or cracked PCB, dunno Jan 05 22:27:16 today FMTX didn't work, that was new Jan 05 22:27:51 ShadowJK, why not get another product probably andriod Jan 05 22:27:56 huh Jan 05 22:28:18 ShadowJK: ebay? :) Jan 05 22:28:24 pradeep_, the goal is to minimize tiem without working phone. If I get an android phone, I'll ahve to spend weeks on hacking it so I can run maemo on it? Jan 05 22:29:24 Only vaguely usable android I saw was some Samsung thing, and it didn't even have a keyboard, which was silly considering they wanted 700 Euro for it Jan 05 22:29:49 ShadowJK: desoldered itself and started aimlessly scrambling inside the casing, looking for a way to escape! Jan 05 22:30:08 evening javispedro Jan 05 22:30:17 hey RST38h Jan 05 22:30:27 Samsung is preparing a 4.5" 4G Android handsed btw Jan 05 22:30:30 handset Jan 05 22:30:35 RST38h, well it works if I place it ona table (and give some echo blah blah > /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cmt_* magic), or if I carefully hold it Jan 05 22:30:51 I don't get the appeal of giant handsets. Jan 05 22:30:56 but like, ctrl-backspace on keyboard often makes cmt reset itself Jan 05 22:31:09 I mean, maybe if it were 1024x640 or summuch. Jan 05 22:31:25 well... I think I'd prefer N810 size screen tbh :/ Jan 05 22:31:27 even with 800x480 Jan 05 22:31:37 N900 is sort of at the limit of my eyesight Jan 05 22:31:38 Gan: Screen. Most of that handset is screen. Good for reading and the web. Jan 05 22:31:55 Gan: It is still pocketable though, very thin and almost no frame Jan 05 22:33:03 hey can you make phonecalls on samsung tab? Jan 05 22:33:22 yes Jan 05 22:33:27 have to have a handset though Jan 05 22:35:28 huh Jan 05 22:35:38 bah Jan 05 22:35:57 I should get a palm t|x again =) Jan 05 22:36:10 Meanwhile: Samsung launches 'world's first' Android MP3 player Jan 05 22:36:21 * RST38h cackles Jan 05 22:37:06 hm :-) Jan 05 22:38:31 this entire windows arm thing.. Jan 05 22:38:38 dunno. Jan 05 22:39:06 I'm still impressed, but guess MS is late. Jan 05 22:41:58 So, anyone betting on this being a repackaged WinCE? Jan 05 22:42:12 Or is it a full Vista rewrite for ARM? =) Jan 05 22:42:13 only if it's a realtime OS Jan 05 22:42:27 RST38h: that would be stupid. it's actually wp7 over wnt instead of wce Jan 05 22:42:50 reason (imo) is to get similar if not same kernel & userspace API Jan 05 22:43:04 javispedro: Sounds like the "best" of both =) Jan 05 22:43:11 probably. Jan 05 22:43:17 but as I've learnt, bad usually wins =) Jan 05 22:52:30 i need the injection driver for n900 :( Jan 05 22:53:56 donate then Jan 05 22:54:20 I wouldn't mind it, but I don't need it Jan 05 22:55:06 I've got 3 dongles and integrated wifi card in my laptop capable of injection. Jan 05 22:55:57 i need internet but it is pretty expensive Jan 05 22:56:20 sometime i wish i could break some wep KEY Jan 05 22:56:29 you know a movie is awful when it's only few minutes into it and you already want the hero to die DIE DIE Jan 05 22:56:33 HELLO alterego Jan 05 22:56:45 Hello pradeep_ Jan 05 22:57:02 * alterego downloads another caprica Jan 05 22:58:31 alterego, what is a caprica Jan 05 22:58:49 rubbish tv show Jan 05 22:59:05 okay Jan 05 22:59:06 prequal to the battlestar galactica remake Jan 05 23:05:46 i like that in meego they went separetly with windows decoration and status menu Jan 05 23:05:59 would be nice to have it in maemo as hildon modification Jan 05 23:07:22 ZogG_work: too much work Jan 05 23:07:31 Better to just port mtf tbh Jan 05 23:07:48 yeah it would be nice to have both to choose Jan 05 23:08:04 but on other hand you can't fully port and support it Jan 05 23:08:14 as it would be made for multitouch devices Jan 05 23:08:43 mtf works fine with single touch Jan 05 23:08:53 Just don't use multitouch gestures Jan 05 23:09:10 for now it is Jan 05 23:09:24 but it's only start =( Jan 05 23:09:24 It's up to the app dev Jan 05 23:09:48 as well as does maemo apps depend on hildon somehow? Jan 05 23:10:20 Sure a lot do, but most are developing in Qt now Jan 05 23:10:53 anyhow bbl Jan 05 23:11:56 yeah but i mean specific componets Jan 05 23:12:08 like switching between subwindows? Jan 05 23:12:25 i mean screens when u have several screens in same appp Jan 05 23:28:17 hm, how many devices can i plug into the usb simultaenously to work on the n900? Jan 05 23:29:05 so like if i use a hub, can i insert there mouse/keyboard/dvd/hdd (powered hub of course) and the n900 manages them all? Jan 05 23:29:32 as much as you want, as long as power suffices Jan 05 23:30:25 or get a powered network of hubs and connect 100 devices, but seriously, you're better off finding a PC then :P Jan 05 23:31:33 Or a new hobby Jan 05 23:31:34 :D Jan 05 23:32:11 lol Jan 05 23:34:05 try connecting 129 devices ;) Jan 05 23:34:55 I thought there was a hardware limit on the number of inbound endpoints Jan 05 23:35:10 I've not read details though - it was just soeones clai Jan 05 23:35:11 m Jan 05 23:35:13 probably, never checked that Jan 05 23:35:28 wel Jan 05 23:35:31 * MohammadAG used to have 4 hubs connected to each other Jan 05 23:35:35 obviously there's always a limit Jan 05 23:35:36 but that's the max I ever did Jan 05 23:35:43 4x4 = 16 Jan 05 23:35:48 I mean a limit under the max logical limit Jan 05 23:36:06 I am not sure -- there's a limit for the gadget controller Jan 05 23:36:13 but host, dunno. Jan 05 23:36:18 SpeedEvil: :D Jan 05 23:36:28 there are 127 possible addresses Jan 05 23:36:38 and hubs consume one so :D Jan 05 23:36:38 chances are your battery will die before you find out the limit Jan 05 23:37:11 it is all part of that conspiracy to not put the extra power connector ;) Jan 05 23:38:25 well Jan 05 23:38:43 a conspiracy Nokia seems not to be part of. Jan 05 23:38:45 MohammadAG: it's 4x4-3=13 Jan 05 23:38:56 as u connect each hub to each other Jan 05 23:40:27 14, I connect two hubs together, the last one is plugged into my PC Jan 05 23:40:34 it's funny that modern phones don't have separete battery input Jan 05 23:40:41 don't try to correct me, you'll end up wrong :P Jan 05 23:40:41 i think it can be much batter Jan 05 23:40:43 jk Jan 05 23:40:43 xD Jan 05 23:40:58 N8 has microUSB and 2mm charging Jan 05 23:41:09 it's not modern Jan 05 23:41:15 hm, thanks Jan 05 23:41:19 but modern as android devices and iphones Jan 05 23:41:23 i will buy myself then a powered hub :) Jan 05 23:41:27 oh n8 Jan 05 23:41:32 not n800 Jan 05 23:41:35 my mistake Jan 05 23:41:58 MohammadAG: so was it 3 or 4 hubs Jan 05 23:42:31 i hope i can get then as well a proper video output cable :) Jan 05 23:42:39 3 hubs Jan 05 23:42:49 then my n900 might act as a full fledged computer \o/ Jan 05 23:43:04 start of chain - 4 port -1 = 3 -> 4 ports -1 = 3 + 4 ports Jan 05 23:43:09 just the battery is... does the powered root hub power the n900? Jan 05 23:43:19 err Jan 05 23:43:21 4 hubs Jan 05 23:43:23 lol Jan 05 23:43:33 start of chain - 4 port -1 = 3 -> 4 ports -1 = 3 + 4 ports -1 = 3 -> 4 ports Jan 05 23:43:39 so that's 3+3+3+4 Jan 05 23:43:50 9+4=13 Jan 05 23:43:53 * MohammadAG stabs self Jan 05 23:44:01 HAHAHA =) Jan 05 23:44:32 if i use hen, is the n900 drawing power from a powered hub? Jan 05 23:47:37 mikki-kun: not yet Jan 05 23:47:54 is it development? Jan 05 23:48:01 *in Jan 05 23:48:13 you can with a few tricks in terminal Jan 05 23:48:30 MohammadAG: are you willing to share them with me? :) Jan 05 23:49:11 they're on tmo somewhere :P Jan 05 23:49:19 in blue_led's posts Jan 05 23:49:26 i might be using my n900 in the future as a true umpc in case my netbook dies or so Jan 05 23:49:30 thanks :) Jan 05 23:49:34 but you can't with the GUI ;) Jan 05 23:49:47 MohammadAG: i am used to the xterm :) Jan 05 23:50:07 good :) Jan 05 23:50:10 i started that one first when i got my n900 ^^ Jan 05 23:50:39 and i think kernel-compiling and gentooing without a terminal is not possible :) Jan 05 23:51:00 it all depends on what you need done as your umpc Jan 05 23:51:10 it does most things already Jan 05 23:51:23 except the dishes Jan 05 23:51:34 bluetooth dishwasher ;) Jan 05 23:51:39 someone submit a patch to MeeGo, maybe they could have it in 1.3 Jan 05 23:51:52 ds3, hey, there's a bluetooth coffeemaker in the repos, so who knows Jan 05 23:52:12 * MohammadAG has a project in mind Jan 05 23:52:22 a bluetooth messenger Jan 05 23:52:25 but has anyone really sat down and listed what they want to do with their current laptop and see what is missing? Jan 05 23:52:31 would be awesome in the MeeGo conference :P Jan 05 23:52:32 MohammadAG: what kind of messenger? Jan 05 23:52:40 mikki-kun, text Jan 05 23:52:47 MohammadAG: though there was one out for the N800 or 770 before? Jan 05 23:52:50 something that can be used without bothering people around you wish noise Jan 05 23:53:02 ds3, idk, but I'm thinking Qt Jan 05 23:53:09 since most people I know have Symbian devices Jan 05 23:53:11 tied in with telepathy? Jan 05 23:53:12 then maemo ones Jan 05 23:53:27 nah, that's not pure Qt Jan 05 23:53:42 I want something that works on Windows/Linux/Mac/Maemo/MeeGo Jan 05 23:53:58 /Symbian/Windows Mobile (if it gets 4.7) Jan 05 23:54:11 /android (if they get an unofficial port on it) Jan 05 23:54:27 just standarize on the protocol Jan 05 23:54:34 hm, i hope i will get tomorrow my micro sd card then as well Jan 05 23:54:38 will try nitdroid Jan 05 23:54:42 the only problem is that aiui bt allows for a max of 8 devices on a net Jan 05 23:54:58 javispedro, 8 including you, yes Jan 05 23:55:11 we could always do something like an extender :P Jan 05 23:55:19 someone who forwards traffic between each 8 devices Jan 05 23:55:32 well, that's the good idea :) Jan 05 23:56:14 but why go bluetooth? Jan 05 23:56:19 power Jan 05 23:56:24 hu? Jan 05 23:56:30 or everyone connects with a different group of octasomes, with one common person in between Jan 05 23:56:48 Octasomes + wifi briginators. Jan 05 23:56:51 i thought bluetooth is a power hogger Jan 05 23:57:07 it uses less than the display afaik Jan 05 23:57:07 well, adhoc wifi eats more Jan 05 23:57:31 s/more/most/? :) Jan 05 23:57:56 someone link the wiki page with the raw data ;) Jan 05 23:58:24 There isn't any data on bluetooth being actively used, nor adhoc wifi Jan 05 23:58:37 I would suspect adhoc wifi to use lots more though Jan 05 23:58:53 perfect. then we can keep on elaborating the truth instead of using the real one! Jan 05 23:59:43 so, is anyone with me on the project? Jan 05 23:59:53 (after the mediaplayer, so post-January) Jan 06 00:00:04 has here anybody had with muppen64 success in running zelda oot? Jan 06 00:00:06 alterego, might be interested Jan 06 00:00:17 mikki-kun: me. with older gfx plugin. Jan 06 00:00:32 javispedro: did it run good enough to be of use? Jan 06 00:00:38 imho, no. Jan 06 00:00:42 :/ Jan 06 00:00:47 i miss oot :( Jan 06 00:00:56 then again imho nothing in mupen64 currently runs good enough... Jan 06 00:01:16 really? :o Jan 06 00:02:15 epic win http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=912453&postcount=11 Jan 06 00:02:17 xD Jan 06 00:02:55 LOL Jan 06 00:03:07 I want it tied in with the conversations stuff so there is just one UI Jan 06 00:03:27 javispedro, MohammadAG didn't we talk about this, I had an idea of a daisy chaining network with bluetooth Jan 06 00:03:30 ds3, no chance, it's not telepathy and it's not gtk Jan 06 00:03:54 alterego, I don't think I was here if you did Jan 06 00:04:03 Oh Jan 06 00:04:14 well, I kinda remember Jan 06 00:04:24 Well, you have unlimited capacity if you daisy chain Jan 06 00:04:28 so, yes/on? :P Jan 06 00:04:36 yep Jan 06 00:04:50 I am not exactly a fan of the entire manet craze so I tend to ignore the stuff =) Jan 06 00:04:52 regardless of who mentioned it first Jan 06 00:04:56 Oh, that's right, I was trying to give Venemo ideas for an app for his course. Jan 06 00:04:59 wanna start on it in feb :P Jan 06 00:05:16 I don't even know what "it" is. Jan 06 00:05:28 I only reviewed the BT bit ;) Jan 06 00:05:34 a bt messenger Jan 06 00:05:46 in pure Qt Jan 06 00:05:50 On a related matter. Jan 06 00:05:54 MohammadAG: ah, one-to-one? Jan 06 00:05:56 The internet stopped working on my phone, any idea how to tell if this is Tmo or me? Jan 06 00:05:58 Yes, that was my idea ^_^ Jan 06 00:06:05 javispedro, one to one or one to many Jan 06 00:06:05 Is there a 'browse BT ftp device' ? Jan 06 00:06:12 I can send and receive texts and calls, of course Jan 06 00:06:22 SpeedEvil: probably gone in Fremantle, was on the Diablo file manager. Jan 06 00:06:28 you could communicate with MeeGo device owners and they could diss your closed source OS Jan 06 00:06:28 internetishard: restart device. Jan 06 00:06:35 or you could talk with mac owners and tell them how it sucks Jan 06 00:06:35 Hhe Jan 06 00:06:40 Heh, bbiab Jan 06 00:07:13 alterego: I did Jan 06 00:08:20 internetishard: wifi or 3G Jan 06 00:08:33 wifi works, 3g no Jan 06 00:08:51 Oh, mine isn't working on either at the moment Jan 06 00:09:02 brb Jan 06 00:09:28 who is maintaining maemo.org? Jan 06 00:09:38 i mean who can edit and add changes? Jan 06 00:10:07 g Jan 06 00:10:19 ZogG_work, what changes? Jan 06 00:10:46 in downloads section there is install icon for the packages Jan 06 00:11:09 it would be more nice if it would be QR code icon as we have mbarcode Jan 06 00:11:10 file a website bug. Jan 06 00:11:30 and related people will pop up and discuss Jan 06 00:11:53 should it go to bugs.maemo.org? Jan 06 00:12:41 how could I determine if tmo is cutting me off or if my phone is malefunctioning? Jan 06 00:12:47 ZogG_work: yes, under website stuff Jan 06 00:13:11 internetishard: one non-exhaustive test would be to try another phone or SIM Jan 06 00:13:40 internetishard: what do u mean tmo or internet? Jan 06 00:13:51 t-mobile Jan 06 00:14:00 hahaha Jan 06 00:14:02 if they're cutting me off 3g access or if my phone is Jan 06 00:14:19 tmo around here is talk.maemo.org Jan 06 00:14:38 internetishard: does it error out when you try to get a 3g connection? Jan 06 00:14:57 It did a few times, but if I restart it doesn't Jan 06 00:15:14 (but I can't ping google or anything) Jan 06 00:15:35 internetishard: probably something wrong with you phone providers network. Jan 06 00:15:44 I'd wait a few hours and try again Jan 06 00:16:13 will do Jan 06 00:16:39 when you try and ping google, you get an ip but not response to ping? have you tried traceroute? Jan 06 00:16:43 have u changed anything lately and did u have internet before? Jan 06 00:17:37 hostnames don't resolve Jan 06 00:17:51 I don't think I changed anything Jan 06 00:17:53 internetishard, do you still get gsm? /me via tmobile as well and their 3g was down twice since i have the n900, for several days each time... Jan 06 00:18:08 yeah, I can make and get calls Jan 06 00:18:17 ah ok Jan 06 00:18:47 ok, what about trying to ping an ip? /var/run/resolv.conf.gprs should have your DNS IPs Jan 06 00:20:31 MohammadAG: anyway, yeah well up for it, though I would like to include telepathy Jan 06 00:20:52 It's a project I've had penned for about 4 maybe 5 years. Jan 06 00:20:55 heh, apparently only one of the resolvers t-mobile hands me works right now Jan 06 00:21:13 ~tmo Jan 06 00:21:13 tmo is, like, http://talk.maemo.org, or too much off-topic, or not ~t-mo Jan 06 00:25:44 bloody wget stalls :/ Jan 06 00:26:58 almost certainly not wget's problem... Jan 06 00:27:46 I know Jan 06 00:27:59 I get it every now-and-again on the N900 :/ Jan 06 00:29:10 ctrl-c, !! -c Jan 06 00:29:29 Oh wait, actually it's scp Jan 06 00:29:35 (I'm an idiot ;) Jan 06 00:29:47 if the network is dodgy, use rsync... Jan 06 00:29:53 Still retarded Jan 06 00:30:11 Yeah, I should learn rsync via ssh at some point .. Jan 06 00:30:14 it's effectively a drop-in scp replacement for simple operation anyway Jan 06 00:30:22 It's single rather large files Jan 06 00:30:26 and it has the --partial option, which you appear to need desperately right now Jan 06 00:30:59 seems to have finished good, brb Jan 06 00:31:17 yeah, no learning required. replace literally replace the letters "scp" with the letters "rsync", unless you are using some arcane scp flags Jan 06 00:31:33 it uses the same user@host:/path/to/file syntax Jan 06 00:33:49 nice, and it'll do partials? Jan 06 00:33:54 yeah Jan 06 00:34:04 resume automatically like that? Jan 06 00:34:18 it also has --progress, which is good for large files too Jan 06 00:34:41 Yeah, I'd want that for what I use it for Jan 06 00:34:46 Thanks :) Jan 06 00:34:50 bbiab Jan 06 00:34:59 also, -z to use compression Jan 06 00:35:24 whether that makes things faster is a function of network speed and cpu speed though Jan 06 00:35:32 BCMM, which protocol does rsync use? Jan 06 00:35:35 does it go over ssh? Jan 06 00:35:49 lcuk: various, but ssh is simplest Jan 06 00:35:54 cool Jan 06 00:36:02 alterego: It also does changes in files efficiently Jan 06 00:36:08 alterego: and is all-round cool. Jan 06 00:36:29 if you just do rsync file user@host:/file, if behaves just like SCP Jan 06 00:36:47 uses SSH, including SFTP if the server supports it Jan 06 00:37:45 but it also has options to deal with partials and to efficiently update directories and to inform you of progress and so on Jan 06 00:37:58 damn Jan 06 00:38:19 wrote a whole assay as the answer to post and shitty internet doesn't post it Jan 06 00:38:26 and it's gone from it's cache =( Jan 06 00:39:46 lcuk: ssh by default, but also does rsh, etc., or the rsync daemon Jan 06 00:40:04 which can be set up for anonymous "pull" access for mirroring stuff Jan 06 00:40:05 neat Jan 06 00:40:10 alterego, is telepathy compatible with windows/mac/meego? Jan 06 00:40:16 it's how Gentoo distributes it's portage tree Jan 06 00:40:45 scratch the meego part Jan 06 00:41:01 MohammadAG: Yes, should be if it isn't and I want it to be, so I'd happily put in effort there. Jan 06 00:41:45 BCMM: finally gentoo is switching for git =) Jan 06 00:42:02 ZogG_work: for syncing the tree? Jan 06 00:42:15 With tele we wouldn't need to develop a new UI though, except it would be cool to have an open conversations, Qt Empathy Jan 06 00:42:20 basically ;) Jan 06 00:44:07 alterego, hmm, maybe part of the conversations rewrite? Jan 06 00:44:31 BCMM: yes from 2.2 Jan 06 00:44:45 BCMM: already there but hardmasked Jan 06 00:45:08 Daniels convinsed the guys as he implented it in funtoo Jan 06 00:45:21 i'm looking towards funtoo more and more Jan 06 00:45:30 as Daniels has a great vision imo Jan 06 00:45:50 ZogG_work: yeah, i've been using 2.2 for a while, but are they seriously gonna release that sometime before DNF comes out? Jan 06 00:46:21 ZogG_work, who do you mean by daniels, who is he since I know a user with that nick. Jan 06 00:46:48 oh, i see they've started calling portage 2.2 releases "alpha" instead of "rc". when did that happen? Jan 06 00:46:48 Daniels the founder of gentoo Jan 06 00:47:03 MohammadAG: exactly, Jan 06 00:47:10 he left gentoo project and now he has gentoo based distro named funtoo Jan 06 00:47:33 alterego, that wouldn't be compatible with symbian though :/ Jan 06 00:47:34 BCMM: what is DNF? Jan 06 00:47:52 ZogG_work, so, Daniel Robbins Jan 06 00:48:09 ZogG_work: duke nukem forever, a video game i presumed everybody knew about by now due to the infamy of it's delayed release Jan 06 00:48:31 ZogG_work: kinda like Hurd jokes, for gamers Jan 06 00:48:53 oh i know Jan 06 00:49:04 just didn't know what for stand DNF Jan 06 00:49:12 as i see it portage is getting there Jan 06 00:50:10 * MohammadAG never read about DNF Jan 06 00:50:30 i'm on unstable even today updated(for last 3 days0 and got new portage that is 2.19 something i think =) Jan 06 00:50:41 MohammadAG: do, it's funny. it was supposed to be released in the 90s. The latest release date is in 2011. Jan 06 00:51:05 LOL Jan 06 00:52:59 the funny thing was earlier this year when it was cancelled, and people thought it was actually dead. they must've forgotten how many times it'd been cancelled before. Jan 06 00:54:20 ZogG_work: i upgraded to portage 2.2.0rcsomething ages ago for the new sets, and presumed it would be released soonish because that's what I think "rc" means. now i don't really know how to find out anything about it's progress or when it is supposed to be released Jan 06 00:56:54 BCMM: i less and less like gentoo community, maybe it's personal as i was banned for now reason from off chan but still. that's why i'm looking at funtoo and thinking to give a try Jan 06 00:57:45 BCMM: the funny thing that now devs of DNF can't fail as people really do excpect it to be cool after all these years Jan 06 00:58:56 no, that's why it can't win... Jan 06 00:59:13 oh god, they called portage 2.2 "alpha" because they'd reached rc99 Jan 06 00:59:51 rc_over9000 Jan 06 00:59:52 =) Jan 06 01:00:17 asi heard they didn't want to move it to git till he asked them =) Jan 06 01:00:39 btw i saw something interesting at funtoo homepage - metro Jan 06 01:04:16 ZogG_work: heh, it sounds like what i'm actually using, tbh - only stable. openrc, portage 2.2, etc... Jan 06 01:04:48 openrc is there for a long time correct me if i'm wrong Jan 06 01:05:15 and funtoo has some changes as well Jan 06 01:05:29 ZogG_work: yes, but it is still masked on gentoo Jan 06 01:05:42 i'm on unstable Jan 06 01:05:53 i think unstable is not really masked Jan 06 01:05:59 i installed it anyway a couple of weeks ago, and it literally halved my grub->xorg time. Jan 06 01:06:06 as stable for servers and not desktops Jan 06 01:06:44 halved? Jan 06 01:07:05 i think i read about it somewhere today Jan 06 01:07:12 it was or fixed or in todo list =) Jan 06 01:07:25 but what does word halve means? Jan 06 01:07:27 mean* Jan 06 01:10:27 1/2 Jan 06 01:10:41 as a verb, the process of 1 -> 1/2 Jan 06 01:12:31 MohammadAG: can you remember maybe some keywords of blue led's post? i have trouble finding it Jan 06 01:13:02 charging Jan 06 01:13:05 orange led Jan 06 01:13:05 sec Jan 06 01:14:08 thanks :) Jan 06 01:14:09 pupnik: thanks, it's from the "half" =) now i got it Jan 06 01:15:34 it would be logical to spell it "halfs" not "halves" Jan 06 01:15:51 w000t b-man|N900 :D Jan 06 01:15:53 but english is a tree of traditions Jan 06 01:16:19 lol Jan 06 01:17:40 mikki-kun, page 50 post 500 Jan 06 01:17:43 ZogG_work: to "halve" is to multiply by 0.5 Jan 06 01:17:43 :P Jan 06 01:17:45 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=885770&postcount=500 Jan 06 01:17:58 BCMM, or divide by 2 Jan 06 01:18:21 i like english's irregular words for certain common multiplication tasks Jan 06 01:18:24 i just found it :) Jan 06 01:18:38 "double", "triple", "quadruple" Jan 06 01:18:40 thanks for the help though :) Jan 06 01:18:46 * b-man|N900 does some math homework Jan 06 01:18:50 pupnik: i think i even knew that word but didn't used it for a long time as well as it simple a lot of words change f to ve =) Jan 06 01:19:02 b-man|N900, care to do mine? Jan 06 01:19:13 b-man|N900, do you still have the stuff you did back at the start of mer Jan 06 01:19:17 with ubuntu afaik? Jan 06 01:19:32 because something stands out - the desktop background picture you used Jan 06 01:19:37 and i don't know why "halves" has a V, but i suspect it's for similar reasons to the Vs in "leaves" and "wolves" Jan 06 01:19:39 MohammadAG: would these instructions also work with a powered hub? Jan 06 01:19:40 i think it was green Jan 06 01:19:46 lcuk, red Jan 06 01:19:55 hm? Jan 06 01:19:57 mikki-kun, probably Jan 06 01:20:07 lcuk, the last mer release was red Jan 06 01:20:14 like a bloody Nseries theme Jan 06 01:20:14 ok, i might try it out if i can get a decent hub :) Jan 06 01:20:50 anyone played with linux on ebooks trying to change it? Jan 06 01:20:51 MohammadAG, Jan 06 01:20:53 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=629162#post629162 Jan 06 01:20:58 it was this b-man|N900 ^^ :D Jan 06 01:21:04 and I was right, it was green Jan 06 01:21:15 MohammadAG, dont recall red mer Jan 06 01:21:23 do you have screenies? Jan 06 01:22:06 lcuk, nope, sadly Jan 06 01:22:19 but I'm sure there was a red one Jan 06 01:22:36 and by sure I mean very sure :P Jan 06 01:22:52 pics or it didn't happen. Jan 06 01:23:13 there is mer for n900 i thought it was for n8*0 Jan 06 01:23:26 lcuk, which reminds me Jan 06 01:23:29 it was kinda sexy Jan 06 01:23:53 MohammadAG, what was? Jan 06 01:24:05 the red background Jan 06 01:24:24 vapourware! Jan 06 01:24:39 nope :P Jan 06 01:24:43 "Opportunities multiply as they are siezed." - Sun Tzu Jan 06 01:24:44 shortkeys in menu is patches or standart hildon ? Jan 06 01:24:46 i suppose there was a duke nukem icon too :P Jan 06 01:25:12 ZogG_work, "linux on ebooks" ? Jan 06 01:25:20 * lcuk just reads books on liqbase Jan 06 01:25:32 lcuk: there are ebooks and most of them use linux Jan 06 01:25:57 i have sony prs 650 and wonder how hard it ould be to add extra lang support and formats Jan 06 01:26:26 what sort of screen refresh do the eink guys get? Jan 06 01:26:36 lcuk, found it! http://blip.tv/file/3209258 Jan 06 01:27:23 heh cool MohammadAG Jan 06 01:27:30 all those mer packages are in obs you know Jan 06 01:27:41 yeah Jan 06 01:27:42 but Jan 06 01:27:50 I told you it was red :P Jan 06 01:27:56 lol yeah Jan 06 01:28:06 but that actually showed more that mer was ubuntu based Jan 06 01:28:11 rather than a clean start Jan 06 01:28:24 idc, it was red Jan 06 01:28:34 * MohammadAG is a bit childish atm Jan 06 01:28:40 lcuk: what u mean refresh, it's not refreshing Jan 06 01:29:19 ZogG_work, i mean when content changes the screen must be redrawn Jan 06 01:29:22 how long is it taking Jan 06 01:30:23 lcuk: oh that, i dunno, but there are elemnts that changed without redrawing all screen btw Jan 06 01:30:54 ZogG_work, sure, but when you are using it, how well is the ui coping Jan 06 01:33:53 hi Jan 06 01:34:22 lcuk, can you watch the vid and check sth out Jan 06 01:34:28 the dialogs open differently Jan 06 01:34:33 with a bounce effect Jan 06 01:36:24 heh Jan 06 01:36:33 it's controllable in transitions.ini Jan 06 01:36:37 looks kinda awesome Jan 06 01:36:59 MohammadAG, yeah :) Jan 06 01:37:12 what's new? Jan 06 01:38:57 lcuk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KQphz-Tlbg&feature=related Jan 06 01:39:44 cool Jan 06 01:40:15 i have this model Jan 06 01:40:29 ZogG_work, the full black flickering appears quite shocking Jan 06 01:40:59 i wonder why it has to fully reset whole screen when only certain pixels need rotating Jan 06 01:41:22 ie the white areas should remain white, etc Jan 06 01:41:24 u getting used to it, as it's not video but static reading it's okay Jan 06 01:54:40 o/ Jan 06 01:54:52 lcuk: I guess something with matrix, and resetting whole screen to a same state (like warming up oil in the bubbles) Jan 06 01:54:53 anyone here ? :) Jan 06 01:55:07 HtheB: obviously not Jan 06 01:55:10 :D heh Jan 06 01:55:19 what's up doc... Jan 06 01:55:25 (lol!) Jan 06 01:56:01 I have some problems with aircrack-ng :p Jan 06 01:56:13 heh, that's interesting Jan 06 01:56:13 yesterday, it worked ok on my n900 Jan 06 01:56:15 DocScrutinizer, I thought eink was polarised balls? perhaps it simply does not know state so has to reset to "known set" before deciding what to do with it Jan 06 01:56:36 but now, I cant even airmon-ng start wlan0 ¬_¬ Jan 06 01:56:48 reboot Jan 06 01:56:50 gives an error Jan 06 01:56:51 did a lot Jan 06 01:56:52 >.< Jan 06 01:57:01 lcuk: the balls are embedded in mircobubbles, swimming in a liquid (oil?) Jan 06 01:57:02 battery pop? Jan 06 01:57:18 says: neither the sysfs interface links nor the iw command is available. Jan 06 01:57:21 DocScrutinizer, sure Jan 06 01:57:46 lcuk: also they are not polarized but simply half black half white Jan 06 01:57:55 Qualcomm is buying atheros =) Jan 06 01:57:59 HtheB, ignore that Jan 06 01:58:02 they have a electrostatic polarization though Jan 06 01:58:06 ZogG_work, back to intel Jan 06 01:58:08 hmm Jan 06 01:58:10 ok :) Jan 06 01:58:12 DocScrutinizer, to be rotated they must be Jan 06 01:58:21 then.... let's try again Jan 06 01:58:23 lcuk: yep Jan 06 01:58:24 oh by the way Jan 06 01:58:34 the Bluetooth problem I have, is still not solved :( Jan 06 01:58:40 maybe some of you guys can help me Jan 06 01:58:46 I have a bluetooth problem on my maemo Jan 06 01:58:55 I removed a paired device (my laptop) from the N900 Jan 06 01:59:06 and now... I can't even start my bluetooth again Jan 06 01:59:07 Qualcomm is intel? Jan 06 01:59:18 "e-ink" has been used for several (possibly any) tech that doesn't draw current when it isn't updating Jan 06 01:59:22 btw i hate lack of middle click mouse as paste on windows Jan 06 01:59:24 no, i hate qualcomm and was gonna buy an atheros card Jan 06 01:59:27 i hate windows actually Jan 06 01:59:32 BCMM, sure Jan 06 01:59:52 but my observation was that to change full screen it does a flick to one color first Jan 06 01:59:55 MohammadAG: atheros on linux wasn't that good till last year Jan 06 02:00:01 instead of just changing the "wrong" pixels Jan 06 02:00:04 what card did u want? Jan 06 02:00:06 so was wondering why Jan 06 02:00:09 I need an intel 512N Jan 06 02:00:22 can't remember the model of the atheros card Jan 06 02:00:28 but i need the 512N Jan 06 02:00:34 broadcom is just too crappy Jan 06 02:00:36 it would certainly help make screen refreshes more fluid Jan 06 02:01:00 why do u want wlan card? Jan 06 02:01:07 cause it's a laptop Jan 06 02:01:16 and broadcom is retarded on linux Jan 06 02:01:20 don't u have built in? Jan 06 02:01:31 just wait Jan 06 02:01:36 wait for what Jan 06 02:01:53 broadcom is developing drivers as well as there are open drivers Jan 06 02:02:03 i had crappy and still have atheros card Jan 06 02:02:06 umm, those suck too fwiw Jan 06 02:02:10 that works terrible under linux Jan 06 02:02:19 now it works much better with new drivers Jan 06 02:02:21 intel worked best Jan 06 02:02:38 i had a 2200BG in my old laptop Jan 06 02:02:39 back when i bought it i used ndiswrapper to use it Jan 06 02:02:55 used to have a connection before the desktop was up Jan 06 02:02:57 i have only one laptop Jan 06 02:03:05 that iFORGOT today to bring to work Jan 06 02:03:11 lcuk: more astonishing is you obviously can't reset single pixels. So aiui they first change whole screen to black, so the erase to white gives a really clean screen Jan 06 02:03:12 i brought empty laptop bag Jan 06 02:03:20 facepalm Jan 06 02:03:21 :P Jan 06 02:03:26 now stack with windows computer and bored Jan 06 02:03:34 ZogG_work, any ideas where i can get a 512N here? Jan 06 02:03:48 DocScrutinizer, hence my thinking that the technology does not actually know the state Jan 06 02:03:56 yep Jan 06 02:04:02 it's a half-mini card, whatever that means Jan 06 02:04:13 i almost never took it out at home but as girl was last weekend at my place and i have win only on laptopo and she needed it for photoshop i took it out Jan 06 02:04:13 anyone has any knowledge of the Bluetooth from n900? Jan 06 02:04:21 (where the config file is been saved) Jan 06 02:04:30 it's bluez, google bluez config file Jan 06 02:04:36 hmm Jan 06 02:04:42 HtheB, no sorry Jan 06 02:04:51 i bet tmo folks will have Jan 06 02:04:55 MohammadAG: have u checked zap? Jan 06 02:05:04 lcuk: I assume there's static friction. that's why you need to reset all to white, then rotate each ball to the destination pos in one move Jan 06 02:05:13 ZogG_work, that site freaks me out for some reason, probably the eyes Jan 06 02:05:15 MohammadAG: if you would say earlier i would get you one from russia =) Jan 06 02:05:24 DocScrutinizer, but certain refresh operations do it differently Jan 06 02:05:25 ZogG_work, mind checking it for me? idk hebrew :P Jan 06 02:05:32 ie, when selecting a word or a box Jan 06 02:05:36 it only updates the small amount Jan 06 02:05:49 so, I think its possible but makes assumptions Jan 06 02:05:56 ie "invert all pixels in rect" Jan 06 02:05:59 is feasible Jan 06 02:06:02 lcuk: a slightly grey ball has a low momentum when trying to move it back to white Jan 06 02:06:02 MohammadAG: i want to make an app like zap when u can check prices by barcode =) Jan 06 02:06:05 i bet it something like /etc/blue something (use tab-tab) Jan 06 02:06:11 even if one or two pixels are a bit wrong Jan 06 02:06:14 it doesnt actually matter Jan 06 02:06:15 how low-spec is the device with the weird display? is it resetting to black each frame as a scheme to avoid having to waste memory remembering the state of each pixel? Jan 06 02:06:24 lcuk: it really got u ah? Jan 06 02:06:38 ZogG_work, i have thought about eink for years Jan 06 02:06:47 i often wondered how well liqbase would run on it Jan 06 02:06:52 lcuk: contact the devs and talk to them Jan 06 02:06:56 (since liqbase is originally greyscale) Jan 06 02:07:02 lcuk: ...so you can't erase light grey areas without first switching them to black Jan 06 02:07:11 lcuk: qt is ported to prs 505 =) Jan 06 02:07:37 is maemo ported to the prs505? Jan 06 02:07:53 wtf :/ Jan 06 02:08:09 how can I know that maemo even SEEs my bluetooth Jan 06 02:08:15 dmesg? Jan 06 02:08:18 BCMM, I think its related to the hw, not the cpu/memory spec Jan 06 02:08:33 MohammadAG: do u speak hebrew btw? Jan 06 02:08:53 :( dman Jan 06 02:08:54 damn Jan 06 02:09:04 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67820 Jan 06 02:09:17 BCMM: lcuk: static friction Jan 06 02:09:22 HtheB: what exactly u want from bluetooth? Jan 06 02:09:39 btw how does color eink work than? Jan 06 02:09:55 with colored balls? Jan 06 02:09:56 ZogG_work: I removed my laptop from the bluetooth paired devices Jan 06 02:10:04 (the list on my N900) Jan 06 02:10:10 and then... Bluetooth just died :/ Jan 06 02:10:20 I can't turn on my bluetooth anymore Jan 06 02:10:22 what do u mean died? Jan 06 02:10:26 on n900? Jan 06 02:10:27 it removed my other paired devices Jan 06 02:10:31 yeah Jan 06 02:10:36 dmesg? Jan 06 02:10:41 ok second Jan 06 02:10:43 ZogG_work: probably three different sorts of balls? Jan 06 02:10:51 dmesg |tail Jan 06 02:10:52 HtheB, Jan 06 02:10:56 which kernel were you using? Jan 06 02:11:02 somehow i think that should be a band name Jan 06 02:11:03 power Jan 06 02:11:09 or maybe an elaborate curse Jan 06 02:11:10 at what frequency? Jan 06 02:11:18 900 :p Jan 06 02:11:22 :) Jan 06 02:11:27 but I donno if it was at that moment on 900 Jan 06 02:11:46 pastebin.com/1eJ3fuFX Jan 06 02:12:23 OVERCLOCKER!!! Jan 06 02:12:34 i blamed that too btw Jan 06 02:12:41 dmesg is fine, checked it yesterday Jan 06 02:12:54 i'm just suspecting that overclocking ='d corrupt config Jan 06 02:13:06 MohammadAG: I tried to locate the config files Jan 06 02:13:09 googled it Jan 06 02:13:10 hmm /etc/init.d/ has nothing bluetooth releated Jan 06 02:13:44 HtheB: reflash! Jan 06 02:13:45 i checked /etc/init.d/bluetooth doesn't even exist :p Jan 06 02:13:48 DocScrutinizer: nooooz :( Jan 06 02:13:50 not again Jan 06 02:13:51 http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-50259.html Jan 06 02:13:57 look there ^^^^ Jan 06 02:14:02 hm, where is the power46 kernel stored? Jan 06 02:14:30 HtheB: you really expect we chack your device to figure what file got corrupted by OC? Jan 06 02:14:40 umm Jan 06 02:14:43 check* Jan 06 02:14:45 I'm on stock now :( Jan 06 02:14:53 doesn't matter, you oc'd Jan 06 02:14:54 anyways Jan 06 02:15:04 DEBUG_OUTPUT=1 hildon-status-menu Jan 06 02:15:09 when you crash your car, you stop moving at 100mph too. Jan 06 02:15:16 lcuk: nice one :P Jan 06 02:15:19 hopefully, that'll show bt status menu output Jan 06 02:16:42 does we have locate on maemo? Jan 06 02:16:42 as i'm not good at find =) Jan 06 02:16:56 doubt it Jan 06 02:17:00 you have which :P Jan 06 02:17:09 odds are you even broken your SoC or BT interface with OCing Jan 06 02:17:12 whats a good shopping list app? Jan 06 02:17:36 ZogG_work: install it Jan 06 02:17:45 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jan 06 02:17:46 install what? Jan 06 02:17:50 find-utils Jan 06 02:17:55 hmmm Jan 06 02:18:01 i think i did Jan 06 02:18:05 still didn't goit it Jan 06 02:18:09 get* Jan 06 02:18:19 quit Jan 06 02:18:26 oops sorry Jan 06 02:18:47 nope Jan 06 02:18:48 no luck Jan 06 02:19:01 haha Jan 06 02:19:03 got ya Jan 06 02:19:06 i suggest a reflash Jan 06 02:19:10 if it doesn't work Jan 06 02:19:13 damn :( Jan 06 02:19:14 well, you know Jan 06 02:19:14 !kick peetah Jan 06 02:19:17 lol =) Jan 06 02:19:21 hm, anybody knowing where the kernel is from power46? Jan 06 02:19:26 last time i checked, building the slocate DB broke due to assuming a GNU /usr/bin/find Jan 06 02:19:34 HtheB: find '/' -iname 'blue*t*' Jan 06 02:19:35 mikki-kun, unable to parse question Jan 06 02:19:48 ZogG_work: it's a separate pkg here Jan 06 02:19:56 ZogG_work, exclude MyDocs Jan 06 02:20:02 (locate) Jan 06 02:20:08 if i install kernel-power46, where is the boot-image of said kernel? :) Jan 06 02:20:16 my n900 died Jan 06 02:20:19 flashed into the kernel partition Jan 06 02:20:28 not enuf battery from usb for terminal? =) Jan 06 02:20:29 mikki-kun: in ... what moh said Jan 06 02:20:40 and uhhh, may i ask where that one is located? Jan 06 02:20:41 /dev/mtd3 Jan 06 02:20:50 ahhh, thanks Jan 06 02:20:52 no, you can't extract it Jan 06 02:20:58 >.< Jan 06 02:21:13 ZogG_work: rebooting device Jan 06 02:21:18 will do that now :) Jan 06 02:21:19 hang on Jan 06 02:21:27 oh and don't experiment with mtds, they fight back with annoying bricks Jan 06 02:21:27 -_- the n900 really is on my love/hate scale pretty high... *sigh* Jan 06 02:21:46 mikki-kun, most/all embedded devices are like this Jan 06 02:22:00 my set top box is one Jan 06 02:22:07 my router is another Jan 06 02:22:22 so, it's not an N900 issue Jan 06 02:22:27 guess i will fetch at some point an arch install and just bash it over the n900 Jan 06 02:22:39 there are plenty of pure-hate embedded devices Jan 06 02:22:44 like alarm clocks and ipods Jan 06 02:22:45 what do you want to do exactly Jan 06 02:22:58 MohammadAG: To make your router more loved - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDPrFJazD3Q&feature=player_embedded Jan 06 02:23:05 if you want the image just dl it Jan 06 02:23:23 or apt-get --reinstall install kernel-power Jan 06 02:23:33 and it's in /boot as a .fiasco file Jan 06 02:23:38 just installed multiboot (want to try prepare for nitdroid and i assumed by also installing the kernel-power multiboot files it would just add them properly... Jan 06 02:23:42 seems i was wrong... Jan 06 02:23:57 well, kernel-flash needed then i guess Jan 06 02:23:57 run flasher -F *.fiasco -u to extract the zImage Jan 06 02:24:00 time for 12648430 Jan 06 02:24:06 mikki-kun, no Jan 06 02:24:10 I said kernel-power Jan 06 02:24:14 not kernel-power-flasher Jan 06 02:24:24 SpeedEvil, sfw? :P Jan 06 02:24:29 ZogG_work Jan 06 02:24:52 MULTIBOOT GRRRRRRRRR Jan 06 02:24:58 ~nuke multiboot Jan 06 02:24:59 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at multiboot ... B☢☢M! Jan 06 02:25:05 'ישא? Jan 06 02:25:07 Lol Jan 06 02:25:09 MohammadAG: totally sfw Jan 06 02:25:18 DocScrutinizer: you seem to understand where i want to get it placed :) Jan 06 02:25:24 http://pastebin.com/RqCRrf5f Jan 06 02:25:26 what? Jan 06 02:25:29 DocScrutinizer, I'm the maintainer of it, maybe I should replace it with "This package is totally deprecated, ha" Jan 06 02:25:43 yes Jan 06 02:25:44 MohammadAG: not for nitdroid users, right? Jan 06 02:25:54 or you found an easier way of booting there? Jan 06 02:26:01 uboot Jan 06 02:26:16 i read in their forums it doesn't do the trick pretty good Jan 06 02:26:36 HtheB: try to run /etc/osso-backup/restore.d/always/bluez-restore.sh Jan 06 02:26:50 yeah, usually nothing does the trick well if it's not attempted Jan 06 02:26:57 no one tried nitdroid with multiboot Jan 06 02:27:03 err, uboot Jan 06 02:27:12 eyes tried Jan 06 02:27:21 e-yes? Jan 06 02:27:32 ZogG_work: it says Segmentation fault Jan 06 02:27:32 weird, last time i asked him he said he never looked into it Jan 06 02:27:34 yet Jan 06 02:27:52 and last time was this year Jan 06 02:28:14 where is log settings for n900? Jan 06 02:28:23 log? Jan 06 02:28:28 HtheB: does it work and just don't see devices or u can't turn it on? Jan 06 02:28:29 i suspect my n900 for unexpected shutdown Jan 06 02:28:32 http://forum.nitdroid.com/index.php?topic=1086.0 Jan 06 02:28:40 hi all Jan 06 02:28:43 ZogG_work: I can't even turn it on Jan 06 02:28:50 hey e-yes Jan 06 02:28:53 it's like I never used my bluetooth ever Jan 06 02:28:55 hi there Jan 06 02:29:03 doesn't have a bluetooth name too! Jan 06 02:29:04 MohammadAG yes some kind of black-box :) Jan 06 02:29:09 (field is empty) Jan 06 02:29:13 seems you woke him up MohammadAG ^^ Jan 06 02:29:20 not really. i think it's doable, but some efforts needed Jan 06 02:29:26 and when I enter something and save the info Jan 06 02:29:30 it doesn't do anything Jan 06 02:29:38 doesn't save the info Jan 06 02:29:46 e-yes: which efforts are needed to do it? Jan 06 02:29:50 it's like the OK button is cancel Jan 06 02:30:02 http://forum.nitdroid.com/index.php?topic=1086.msg4485#msg4485 Jan 06 02:30:17 wb ZogG_work_ Jan 06 02:30:43 e-yes, not really hard to do :) Jan 06 02:30:49 MohammandAG: are you going to use the general broadcast feature of the bluetooth stuff that doesn't require pairing? Jan 06 02:31:07 HtheB: does it work and just don't see devices or u can't turn it on? Jan 06 02:31:09 ds3, messenger? we haven't looked into it Jan 06 02:31:15 e-yes: and which kernel do you actually recommend for gingerbread? Jan 06 02:31:24 MohammadAG, i never told it's hard task;) Jan 06 02:31:31 MohammandAG: yeah Jan 06 02:31:31 mikki-kun, does it matter? nitdroid uses its own kernel Jan 06 02:31:44 why the n? :P Jan 06 02:31:58 mikki-kun, nit06 + update (zImage) Jan 06 02:31:58 MohammadAG: there are a couple of them seeming to float around... Jan 06 02:32:00 e-yes is here all spying on us =) Jan 06 02:32:11 ZogG_work_: did you read my messages? :p Jan 06 02:32:12 ШПИОН!!! =) Jan 06 02:32:19 yes Jan 06 02:32:19 mikki-kun, i see Jan 06 02:32:32 e-yes, indeed, we just need two kernel Jan 06 02:32:39 ШПИЁН :) Jan 06 02:32:39 one to boot from mmc, and from SD Jan 06 02:32:41 HtheB: cat /etc/dbus-1/system.d/bluetooth.conf Jan 06 02:33:16 MohammadAG: nope, we need symlinks =) Jan 06 02:33:19 e-yes, multiboot is deprecated, it has to be dropped, and better sooner than later Jan 06 02:33:31 symlinks for what? Jan 06 02:33:33 pastebin.com/HTzvCPgn Jan 06 02:33:35 MohammadAG, or try alister's patch, or some initrd-crap:) Jan 06 02:33:39 bme can be included Jan 06 02:33:42 why would someone use something like eselect kernel on gentoo istead of multiple kernels =) Jan 06 02:33:57 bme is too big Jan 06 02:34:07 (with all dependencies) Jan 06 02:34:33 how big? Jan 06 02:34:36 e-yes: where can i find said file? the nit06 one... i have loaded gingerbread, the first update to it and then the superuser patch as wekk Jan 06 02:35:23 ZogG_work_: http://pastebin.com/HTzvCPgn Jan 06 02:35:27 mikki-kun: i saw it somewhere on tmo, i think it was in huge instruction post Jan 06 02:35:42 HtheB: i saw it Jan 06 02:35:47 my bad Jan 06 02:36:10 kernel power can't change the user groups can it? Jan 06 02:36:31 userspace != kernelspace Jan 06 02:37:07 :'( Jan 06 02:37:19 mikki-kun, http://downloads.nitdroid.com/nitinstaller/Packages/nitdroid-kernel-2.6.28-06_final1_armel.deb Jan 06 02:37:50 and http://downloads.nitdroid.com/e-yes/zImage (replacement for vmlinuz* in /boot/multiboot) Jan 06 02:38:02 err Jan 06 02:38:11 for vmlinuz*nit06 Jan 06 02:38:17 ahhh, many thanks :) Jan 06 02:38:29 e-yes: I saw a patched nit installer Jan 06 02:38:36 it didn't format my card Jan 06 02:38:44 but the patched one worked for me :p Jan 06 02:39:46 is event.d is like init.d? Jan 06 02:39:55 e-yes: so i should install that via dpkg -i and after install overwritte the vmlinuz*nit06 image i got with the one i downloaded lastly? Jan 06 02:40:01 how do i start the something from there? Jan 06 02:40:12 ZogG_work_: good question Jan 06 02:40:16 mikki-kun, yes Jan 06 02:41:03 MohammadAG: i meant the whole package but not the kernel itself Jan 06 02:41:06 ZogG_work_: start foobar Jan 06 02:41:32 HtheB: ^ Jan 06 02:41:38 start bluetoothd Jan 06 02:42:00 DocScrutinizer: i used to do it /etc/init.d/foobar start/restart/stop Jan 06 02:42:06 yes I did that yesterday, it gives me this output Jan 06 02:42:20 that doesn't work for events.d Jan 06 02:42:32 events.d is upstart, not initd Jan 06 02:42:39 DocScrutinizer: didn't use event before Jan 06 02:42:44 e-yes: i assume i can have two install of nitdroid on a single card, just use different boot-commands on them, right? Jan 06 02:42:50 is there a `service foo start'? Jan 06 02:42:56 mikki-kun: sure Jan 06 02:43:02 www.pastebin.com/tDvfuaYs Jan 06 02:43:08 don't know the difference as well, i'm like monkey =) monkey sees - monkey does Jan 06 02:43:21 ZogG_work_: oh w8, it gives a different output now Jan 06 02:43:23 i guess i will install 0.0.9 then to see stable and ginger to see bleeding-edge :) Jan 06 02:43:29 but it gave me this just a second ago: Jan 06 02:43:56 nox-: not service, initctl Jan 06 02:44:01 ah Jan 06 02:44:11 sandisk ultra are ok for that job? (i would do manual installs of both via pc) Jan 06 02:44:12 mikki-kun, right. i have 3 android installations:) Jan 06 02:44:13 man start Jan 06 02:44:30 2 - on sd, 1 - on emmc Jan 06 02:44:52 ive seen service on some linux, and freebsd now uses it too (as an alias for /etc/rc.d/foo start/stop etc) Jan 06 02:44:53 why 3 runnings androids? Jan 06 02:44:54 i wich intrwebz were more physical so i can punch it Jan 06 02:44:59 them* Jan 06 02:45:09 ZogG_work_: ok, http://pastebin.com/B1Licbt9 Jan 06 02:45:18 mikki-kun: developing testing? Jan 06 02:45:18 that is the output :p Jan 06 02:45:24 ZogG_work_: that is called PoIP :) Punch over IP... sadly noone implemented it :( Jan 06 02:46:03 we did, but no distro adopted it Jan 06 02:46:06 nope not person Jan 06 02:46:11 the interwebz itself Jan 06 02:46:15 for being slow Jan 06 02:46:30 HtheB: try it now if it works Jan 06 02:46:48 nope... Jan 06 02:46:49 :( Jan 06 02:46:55 and check dmesg |tail if it has something new related Jan 06 02:46:56 ~flash Jan 06 02:46:57 from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jan 06 02:46:58 e-yes: are there any things i should not do on ginger? maybe some stuff crashes it Jan 06 02:47:12 mikki-kun: don't eat it Jan 06 02:47:32 ZogG_work_: but gingerbread tastes so awesome! Jan 06 02:47:32 ZogG_work_: nope Jan 06 02:47:35 just wifi Jan 06 02:47:37 i don't get why all of u are awake Jan 06 02:47:47 and slide :p Jan 06 02:48:03 mikki-kun, enable logs, crash it and write good bugreport :) Jan 06 02:48:06 ZogG_work_: to shout at you X-D Jan 06 02:48:08 when u try to turn it on what does it do? Jan 06 02:48:15 DocScrutinizer: i love u too Jan 06 02:48:17 ZogG_work_: ........ I think you know why I'm here lol Jan 06 02:48:17 xD Jan 06 02:48:21 e-yes: i am just writing a report... for physics... Jan 06 02:48:22 dont need to explain xD Jan 06 02:48:25 X-D is a cartman smile Jan 06 02:48:47 mikki-kun: what physics? Jan 06 02:49:04 lol @ cartman Jan 06 02:49:04 htenah, we all heard you saying you OC'd Jan 06 02:49:09 i'm studing electrophysics and it's pain in the ass Jan 06 02:49:11 ZogG_work_: first semester lab-courses, vaporization pressure of ethanol on toluene Jan 06 02:50:09 mikki-kun: u can't swear here =) Jan 06 02:50:13 i might switch to quantum physics... Jan 06 02:50:15 ZogG_work_: no, it's fun Jan 06 02:50:39 can u build kanabis vaporazer? Jan 06 02:50:41 swear? did i use a bad word? Ö.ö Jan 06 02:50:44 mikki-kun: what are u studing? Jan 06 02:50:50 biochem so far Jan 06 02:50:58 ZogG_work_: yes, we can :-D Jan 06 02:50:59 ok kill me Jan 06 02:51:01 :( Jan 06 02:51:04 HtheB: and if u just run bluetoothd ? Jan 06 02:51:07 did it 35 years ago Jan 06 02:51:16 using a soldering iron :-P Jan 06 02:51:22 DocScrutinizer: old bag? =) Jan 06 02:51:25 mikki-kun, http://code.google.com/p/nitdroid-v2/issues/detail?id=63 (how write WORST bugreport, example) >:-( Jan 06 02:51:34 problem is: I can't even assign a simple name Jan 06 02:51:44 (bluetooth name) Jan 06 02:51:47 it's empty at the moment Jan 06 02:51:47 that is google.... is that the sms bug? ^^ Jan 06 02:52:02 ZogG_work_, no, DocScrutinizer is immortal Jan 06 02:52:04 e-yes: "i push red button and it all works wrong"? Jan 06 02:52:14 ssshhhhhh! Jan 06 02:52:17 he extends his life by feeding on tmo troll posts Jan 06 02:52:19 docyoda51 =) Jan 06 02:52:43 MohammadAG: don't u have school tomorrow? =) Jan 06 02:52:53 e-yes: wow, that looks like a really good bug report :) Jan 06 02:52:58 I don't recall that I do Jan 06 02:53:14 MohammadAG: do u speak hebrew? Jan 06 02:53:23 u didn't answer me Jan 06 02:53:25 throwing an inflated battery in school to make it catch fire wasn't a good idea Jan 06 02:53:26 no Jan 06 02:53:35 горячие финские парни :) Jan 06 02:53:49 pffff >>The server encountered an error and could not complete your request.<< Jan 06 02:53:50 privet to you too Jan 06 02:53:52 MohammadAG: WTF did you do?! Jan 06 02:54:00 mikki-kun, nothing, jk xD Jan 06 02:54:05 и-да, =) Jan 06 02:54:18 poka poka Jan 06 02:54:24 ZogG_work_: guess that i rly have to flash it? :( Jan 06 02:54:37 e-yes: how can i enable the logs? :) Jan 06 02:54:49 MohammadAG: it doesn't sound good with our nations problem =) Jan 06 02:55:14 HtheB: it seems so or u can bug report for kernel-power devs as well and wait Jan 06 02:55:17 ZogG_work_, politics can f off, I don't care :p Jan 06 02:55:23 HtheB: i had to do it also a couple of times, trust me, it feels like a fresh device then... Jan 06 02:55:26 i don't too Jan 06 02:55:31 just uncomment lines that contain 'log' (in /default.prop) Jan 06 02:55:34 otherwise i would be scaried of DocScrutinizer Jan 06 02:55:34 mikki-kun: I know :( Jan 06 02:55:41 but.... I just flashed some time ago Jan 06 02:55:45 long time * Jan 06 02:55:47 ZogG_work_, you're russian, not jewish Jan 06 02:55:49 and... well... Jan 06 02:55:53 or adb logcat (on PC) Jan 06 02:55:56 ZogG_work_: I was about to write with CAPSLOCK ON Jan 06 02:56:00 I was happy that I didn't had to flash it for such a long time Jan 06 02:56:07 done all my tweaks Jan 06 02:56:11 and now... Im gonna loose it lol Jan 06 02:56:20 DocScrutinizer, but you used shift instead, right? right? :P Jan 06 02:56:28 u have to pay for what u do Jan 06 02:56:37 adb logcat? why do i need that on my pc? Jan 06 02:56:44 well... today is not a happy ending! >.< Jan 06 02:56:59 MohammadAG: btw how is the ideo of separete status menu and windows decoration for hildon on ssu? Jan 06 02:57:09 HtheB: that's what we have backups for :) Jan 06 02:57:25 mikki-kun: I did so much Jan 06 02:57:29 donno what I did xD Jan 06 02:57:35 MohammadAG: the problem is that for russian i'm jewish and for jewish i'm russian Jan 06 02:57:39 noone likes me =( Jan 06 02:57:43 (which tweaks I did all those time) Jan 06 02:57:46 ZogG_work_: we like you :) Jan 06 02:57:47 bugreport against PK: "my bloetooth doesn't work after OC" muhahaha Jan 06 02:57:53 all I can do now is a default backup Jan 06 02:57:56 and put it back Jan 06 02:58:04 oh by the way Jan 06 02:58:10 there is a bug :p Jan 06 02:58:16 didn't check if it exist or not Jan 06 02:58:28 is it there? Jan 06 02:58:30 but when you make a backup while a repo is disabled Jan 06 02:58:38 you can't install those apps again Jan 06 02:58:39 lol Jan 06 02:59:00 DocScrutinizer: I never had an issue before :p Jan 06 02:59:16 HtheB: i guess user convencience Jan 06 02:59:17 the backup enables repos + u can restore apps after u install them again Jan 06 02:59:21 said the smoker **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 06 02:59:58 2011