**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 06 02:59:58 2011 Jan 06 03:00:00 ZogG_work_: The backup puts the repos back in its original state (so if they were disabled, they are disabled again... which means: it cant find those packages :P) Jan 06 03:00:02 I had that once Jan 06 03:00:05 tried EVERYTHING Jan 06 03:00:09 couldn't get it to work Jan 06 03:00:15 "so write a letter of complaint to MArlboro" said the doctor Jan 06 03:00:43 HtheB: backup before flashing, doh? Jan 06 03:00:49 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11745 - vote for this Jan 06 03:00:50 Bug 11745: Change the "install" icon of the package for qr code Jan 06 03:05:11 hm, is there a command to check the consistency of a filesystem in maemo? Jan 06 03:05:21 fsck Jan 06 03:05:41 DocScrutinizer: i should unmount the partition first i assume Jan 06 03:05:49 yep :-) Jan 06 03:06:15 or use backup-menu Jan 06 03:07:09 ZogG_work_: yeah Jan 06 03:07:22 but do you ever think there will be a new pr? :p Jan 06 03:07:23 dont think so Jan 06 03:07:27 mmcblk0p1 is vfat, right? Jan 06 03:07:44 err yep, iirc Jan 06 03:07:55 HtheB: community hacked version maybe, we have here many very good devs :) Jan 06 03:07:58 oh w8, that's qr code lol Jan 06 03:08:16 DocScrutinizer: is that fsck then there as well? Jan 06 03:08:23 mikki-kun: I strngly suggest you mount that via mass-storage and run fsck on a desktop PC against it Jan 06 03:08:34 anyway... time to sleep now Jan 06 03:08:45 and let's hope that the toothfairy will bring my bluetooth back :( Jan 06 03:08:50 DocScrutinizer: what does it do as a difference? Jan 06 03:08:52 _sigh_ Jan 06 03:08:56 speed Jan 06 03:09:00 i don't have here any windows pc :) Jan 06 03:09:04 and i have time :) Jan 06 03:09:10 windows ftw Jan 06 03:09:13 somebody did it on N900 some days ago - took hours Jan 06 03:09:13 * HtheB hides Jan 06 03:10:03 mikki-kun: search chanlog for that event (fsck.vfat maybe) Jan 06 03:10:12 ZogG_work_: :) Jan 06 03:10:21 Thanks for trying to help me Jan 06 03:10:23 and all the others :) Jan 06 03:10:36 I'll flash the device soon Jan 06 03:10:47 when I will get my second N900 Jan 06 03:10:49 on monday Jan 06 03:10:51 yay! Jan 06 03:10:53 wish i could get a job at the local recycling center Jan 06 03:11:07 pupnik: why Jan 06 03:11:14 i would take so much stuff home Jan 06 03:11:15 :( Jan 06 03:11:17 to pick up HtheB 's devices? XD Jan 06 03:11:20 xD Jan 06 03:11:30 leaving filesystem unchanged... Jan 06 03:11:30 lol Jan 06 03:11:41 I did that once Jan 06 03:11:42 wtf? i answered all with "correct the damn stuff" Jan 06 03:11:45 couple years ago Jan 06 03:11:56 I found some hdd's and just checked who's it was Jan 06 03:12:11 mikki-kun: search chanlog for that event (fsck.vfat maybe) Jan 06 03:12:12 they didn't even format it! :p Jan 06 03:12:18 it is fsck-vfat... Jan 06 03:12:19 all kinds of pics were just stored on it ... Jan 06 03:12:23 fsck.vfat Jan 06 03:12:31 about pics...... Jan 06 03:13:16 mikki-kun: or use backup-menu, it's really nice for that at least Jan 06 03:13:17 or fsck.msdos... shame it doesn't repair those orphaned nodes... Jan 06 03:13:41 i didn't intend to reflash today as i might need a flash after i experiment with nitdroid... Jan 06 03:13:44 DocScrutinizer Jan 06 03:13:49 wordpress app is truely awesome Jan 06 03:13:51 i have a whole case of DAT backups from a media company Jan 06 03:14:13 ~nuke DocScrutinizer !!!! Jan 06 03:14:14 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at DocScrutinizer !!!! ... B☢☢M! Jan 06 03:14:17 no idea what data is on it... hundreds of clients Jan 06 03:14:46 i wish i were evil :( Jan 06 03:14:52 Anyway, I'm off now :) Jan 06 03:14:54 btw one problem with dat was that often one drive could not read another one's tapes... Jan 06 03:14:56 good night all Jan 06 03:14:58 pupnik: if they were clever, they erased them with a strong magnet Jan 06 03:15:09 http://newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148337 http://newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135277 http://newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231422 http://newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103916 Jan 06 03:15:12 look good? Jan 06 03:15:35 ahhhh, -aw are the needed parms :) Jan 06 03:15:39 true nox- Jan 06 03:16:07 mikki-kun: tolya, search the chanlog Jan 06 03:16:13 nox-: you ever have to restore data off DAT? Jan 06 03:16:22 for a client? like once a week? Jan 06 03:16:34 but why does fsck.msdos not do that by default when i gt asked? Jan 06 03:16:53 dunno Jan 06 03:16:55 pupnik, fortunately i didnt :) Jan 06 03:17:13 also it's fsck.vfat - maybe same but clearer Jan 06 03:17:26 nox-: it sometimes cost me half a day Jan 06 03:17:33 i can imagine... Jan 06 03:17:50 dat really gave tape a bad name... Jan 06 03:18:22 np: Bon Jovi - Dat gave tape a bad name. Jan 06 03:18:31 i ended up quietly putting together a unison server and running incremental backups on all the secretaries files Jan 06 03:18:36 haha SpeedEvil Jan 06 03:19:00 pupnik, :) Jan 06 03:19:11 DocScrutinizer: and you need multiple runs of it Jan 06 03:19:32 DocScrutinizer: i used now .msdos, i guess .vfat might have done the same Jan 06 03:19:37 errr? never seen that Jan 06 03:20:26 isnt .msdos fat w/o the v? Jan 06 03:20:36 (i.e., 8.3...) Jan 06 03:20:52 it's slim w/ the v Jan 06 03:20:56 dunno, i just know it fixed mine Jan 06 03:21:15 msdos is fat12/16/(32?) Jan 06 03:21:22 vfat is fat32 Jan 06 03:21:35 hm ok Jan 06 03:21:37 i think msdos is fat16 Jan 06 03:21:54 and here i though the v was about getting rid of the 8.3 filename limitation... Jan 06 03:22:00 thought even Jan 06 03:22:04 yes Jan 06 03:22:11 also Jan 06 03:22:12 msdos = FAT = FAT16 Jan 06 03:22:28 /dev/mmcblk1p3: SEC_TYPE="msdos" LABEL="boot" UUID="4CFE-8A10" TYPE="vfat" Jan 06 03:22:37 meego uses msdos for the kernel Jan 06 03:22:49 heh ok Jan 06 03:22:49 >.> Jan 06 03:22:57 why msdos? :( Jan 06 03:22:59 who cares about labels? Jan 06 03:23:18 who mentioned labels? Jan 06 03:23:45 nobody ;-) Jan 06 03:24:02 thought so :P Jan 06 03:24:14 mikki-kun, uboot expects a vfat partition Jan 06 03:24:23 they went with FAT16 for some reason Jan 06 03:24:24 actually I got NFC what you are quoting there above Jan 06 03:24:35 blkid output Jan 06 03:24:57 meh Jan 06 03:25:29 who went with what? and where to? Jan 06 03:25:37 MohammadAG: btw, where should i run "flasher -F *.fiasco -u" ? Jan 06 03:25:42 what *IS* SEC_TYPE Jan 06 03:26:08 dunno Jan 06 03:26:14 mikki-kun, in /boot Jan 06 03:26:48 hm... what if there is only uhhh a dor to multiboot? Jan 06 03:26:51 *dir Jan 06 03:27:15 apt-get --reinstall install kernel-power Jan 06 03:27:16 ... Jan 06 03:27:35 he is actually gonna buy second n900 Jan 06 03:27:36 ok, i just thought it will get finalized by rebooting Jan 06 03:27:36 lol Jan 06 03:27:46 ~nuke multiboot Jan 06 03:27:46 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at multiboot ... B☢☢M! Jan 06 03:28:07 i'm waiting for the day u can buy OS free smartphone Jan 06 03:28:12 and install whatever uwant Jan 06 03:28:23 keep waiting Jan 06 03:28:40 as laptops uses almost same hardware as smartphones now it's comming soon Jan 06 03:28:50 hahaha Jan 06 03:29:06 i don't recall ARM laptop Jan 06 03:29:15 there are Jan 06 03:29:24 laptops* Jan 06 03:29:24 still use different architecture Jan 06 03:29:30 MohammadAG: there are bunch of tegra2 based ones floating around and i think there was a toshiba arm one Jan 06 03:29:41 netbooks, not laptops :P Jan 06 03:29:41 there are double core arm as i recall Jan 06 03:29:57 as x86 smartphones and other tech smartphones Jan 06 03:29:58 quads will be coming as well... Jan 06 03:30:10 MohammadAG: netbook is laptop just samll screen Jan 06 03:30:13 same shit Jan 06 03:30:22 different day Jan 06 03:30:25 ZogG_work_: those x86 smartphones didn't exactly fly yet Jan 06 03:30:35 (except out the window XP) Jan 06 03:30:45 DocScrutinizer, they did, but they went down with the 3000 birds Jan 06 03:30:49 ipods have been dualcore arm years ago already :P Jan 06 03:31:00 exactly Jan 06 03:31:06 the N96 is a dual core ARM Jan 06 03:31:08 there are even arm servers Jan 06 03:31:10 nothing special Jan 06 03:31:11 btw Jan 06 03:31:12 so what? Jan 06 03:31:22 !google ARM servers facebook Jan 06 03:31:23 Results for ARM servers facebook on Google: Jan 06 03:31:23 -- Jan 06 03:31:30 nox-: than why noone used them for phones> Jan 06 03:31:42 zgoldberg: are u even a bot or troll? Jan 06 03:31:53 cause they're not something special Jan 06 03:32:00 again, the N96 was 2-cored Jan 06 03:32:03 ZogG_work_: simply because phones have no nuclear cells yet Jan 06 03:32:13 but soon it would be same vidoe chips and gpu as well Jan 06 03:32:20 ZogG_work_, arm is just an arch, almost every board/system is different Jan 06 03:32:44 DocScrutinizer, I'd like portable terrorism too Jan 06 03:32:57 (the dualcore ipods were pretty wimpy cpus) Jan 06 03:33:12 yes but more netbooks use phone's specs more option to have different OS's on phones Jan 06 03:33:36 i for one do not want an RNG in my pocket Jan 06 03:33:48 RNG? Jan 06 03:33:50 and the whole intel x86 mobile phone SoC eats battery like it's coming from wall outlet Jan 06 03:33:52 oses would need to be ported to each one again and again... Jan 06 03:33:58 rocket nuclear generaotr? Jan 06 03:34:01 (because lead underwear isn't comfy) Jan 06 03:34:20 radioactive nuclear grenade Jan 06 03:34:22 i think Jan 06 03:34:24 nox not really as specs would be similuar for netbooks specs Jan 06 03:34:30 and it's going that way Jan 06 03:34:36 yeah maybe Jan 06 03:34:46 one day :) Jan 06 03:34:57 yep, just like duke nukem Jan 06 03:35:10 hehe Jan 06 03:35:11 ZogG_work_: what do you dream of when you're asleep then? Jan 06 03:35:29 * MohammadAG dreams of the mediaplayer source Jan 06 03:35:35 i don't dream Jan 06 03:35:39 i hardly sleep Jan 06 03:35:44 i meant rtg Jan 06 03:35:57 and if i do have time i sleep for a lot of hours so i don't really rememeber Jan 06 03:36:18 k Jan 06 03:36:23 need to wake up @ 10 Jan 06 03:36:28 so, i'm off Jan 06 03:36:42 power management in a smartphone is quite a bit different from what you see in laptop OS Jan 06 03:37:12 btw that's where android came from Jan 06 03:38:05 and you see what they did to your desktop OS to make it run on smartphones Jan 06 03:38:10 hm, do i have to rename the kernel from zImage-$NAME.fiasco to vmlinuz-$NAME for mulitboot it able to read? :) Jan 06 03:38:43 no idea - multiboot is deprecated Jan 06 03:38:49 and *BAD* Jan 06 03:39:39 DocScrutinizer: not as of now for me :) i will take a look into uboot soon though and if i think i will use android heavily... and another OS... Jan 06 03:39:51 then i will tripleboot with uboot :) Jan 06 03:41:37 mikki-kun: IIRC, FIASCO is not to be confused with normal kernel images. Jan 06 03:42:13 mikki-kun: i don't think u need, you just need to use it correct in boot menu config Jan 06 03:42:27 ZogG_work_: i just copied the whole name of the image then now Jan 06 03:42:30 yes, if they use flasher to flash the new kernel on boot, then it needs a fiasco img, not a raw kernel img Jan 06 03:42:32 qmlreddit is sweet Jan 06 03:42:39 I guess Jan 06 03:42:43 hm http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2011/01/05/nvidia_arm_pc_server_chip/ Jan 06 03:42:54 mikki-kun: u want just to replace standart nit kernel with new one? Jan 06 03:43:03 nox what i told you Jan 06 03:43:08 ZogG_work_: i want to have kernel power running again... Jan 06 03:43:12 standarD Jan 06 03:43:18 ZogG_work_, so you just read that too? :) Jan 06 03:44:08 mikki-kun: so? Jan 06 03:44:15 ZogG_work_: nice, can't flash kernel :) Jan 06 03:44:17 mikki-kun: just use the guide Jan 06 03:44:19 it has it all Jan 06 03:44:39 ZogG_work_: which one and where is the "real" one? Jan 06 03:45:23 you're aware a kernel expects its matching modules? Jan 06 03:45:46 mikki-kun: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=912537#post912537 Jan 06 03:46:28 meh, have fun Jan 06 03:46:44 hm, ZogG_work_ that post isn't really helpful if somebody can't mount MyDocs :) Jan 06 03:46:54 nox-: DocScrutinizer http://i.imgur.com/ngI7P.jpg Jan 06 03:47:17 mikki-kun: saywhat? Jan 06 03:47:36 aahhh, ok Jan 06 03:47:45 i should rename it i see in small letters Jan 06 03:47:46 http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/08/23/facebook-first-jump-arm-servers/ Jan 06 03:48:03 thanks for the link:) Jan 06 03:48:19 mikki-kun: u don't have to, it's just thta standart .item on multiboot menu use this name Jan 06 03:48:30 u can add/eddit your own Jan 06 03:48:33 3. There you should find zImage-2.6.28.10maemoxx where xx stands for kernel-power version. Jan 06 03:48:36 4. Rename it to vmlinuz-2.6.28.10powerxx, then copy it to Jan 06 03:48:47 rename wasn't done Jan 06 03:48:47 wtf is so interesting in arm based server arch? Jan 06 03:48:55 DocScrutinizer: i guess low power usage Jan 06 03:49:01 pffffff Jan 06 03:49:12 DocScrutinizer: energy save Jan 06 03:49:15 not for the topic of this chan Jan 06 03:49:41 is semiaccurate something like thonion? :) Jan 06 03:49:41 the problem with smartphones isn't the CPU. It's smart peripherals Jan 06 03:50:00 theonion even Jan 06 03:50:09 DocScrutinizer: u can use 1000 n900 as servers for facebook =) Jan 06 03:50:14 is this for the topic? Jan 06 03:50:16 hahaha Jan 06 03:50:43 nah, it's just boring Jan 06 03:51:20 didn't you know maemo.org is hosted on 586 devices 770? Jan 06 03:52:25 not it's hosted on 300 nexus one Jan 06 03:52:43 and google is hosted on htc win7 phones Jan 06 03:53:10 yeah, cya Jan 06 03:53:26 u gonna kick me? =) Jan 06 03:53:34 anyway i have to go too now =( Jan 06 03:54:48 man, 5 am Jan 06 03:54:51 i need to go as well Jan 06 03:54:52 dang Jan 06 03:54:57 see you later guys ^^ Jan 06 03:55:00 sleep well :) Jan 06 03:55:39 good idea Jan 06 03:58:12 good night Jan 06 04:00:21 oh and btw there was a joke going about making a beowulf cluster of those dual core ipods... Jan 06 04:00:38 :) Jan 06 04:15:22 so does n900 have some kind of blackbox< Jan 06 04:15:24 ? Jan 06 04:20:56 ? Jan 06 04:21:17 my n900 shutdown unexpecetdly Jan 06 04:21:25 dunno when, dunno why Jan 06 04:23:16 cat /proc/bootreason Jan 06 04:26:33 new motorola with android 3.0 looks great Jan 06 04:38:08 bleh Jan 06 04:38:23 it'll have a signed kernel just like every other Motorola device Jan 06 04:48:17 wmarone: for all the interesting hardware Android seems to get, it's all quite lackluster, isn't it? Jan 06 04:48:51 mostly Jan 06 04:49:03 few nice features here and there, but it's all just next in line Jan 06 04:49:24 then dragged down by contracts and other nasties Jan 06 04:49:30 and Android. Jan 06 04:49:35 oh yes, that too Jan 06 04:49:42 well i was expecting something spectacular Jan 06 04:49:56 so far the biggest surprise is the honeycomb keyboard of a motorola Jan 06 04:50:05 but nothing really exciting Jan 06 04:50:15 honestly I was more interested in the AMD Fusion announcements yesterday Jan 06 04:50:47 I am mostly bummed by the fact that Lenovo introduced this and that shitty laptop but where are the new T series? Jan 06 04:52:01 IdeaPad, ThinkPad Edge -- *yawn*. I want a laptop not a joke. Jan 06 04:52:19 that's what desktops are for :) Jan 06 04:53:40 hm, most desktops are not 4lbs. Jan 06 04:53:51 or less. Jan 06 04:54:07 no, but you get quite heavy as you get up there in power Jan 06 04:55:54 I hate carrying around my W510, but do so cause it's for work :) Jan 06 04:58:47 my desktop is about 40lbs I think ... Jan 06 04:59:02 small price to pay for being able to sit or stand on it :) Jan 06 04:59:55 also: can't wait for a nice skinny core 2011 X200 series Jan 06 05:03:31 johnx: whimpy. Jan 06 05:03:41 Currently 58lbs here. Jan 06 05:03:52 but can you stand on it? Jan 06 05:03:56 Sure Jan 06 05:04:07 what case is it? Jan 06 05:04:11 Mac Pro Jan 06 05:04:34 huh. I would have though the bottom not-handles would break Jan 06 05:05:09 *have* you ever stood on it before? Jan 06 05:06:05 G5 case, once, to reach a high shelf when I was moving stuff. Jan 06 05:06:25 fair enough :) Jan 06 05:06:34 The handles aren't failure prone. Jan 06 05:10:59 so I searched for my case on google and the second result is someone suggesting to someone else that they dump the case before upgrading ... to an athlon ... in 2001 Jan 06 05:13:54 johnx, clearly a classic. Jan 06 05:14:45 http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnxx/5328831099/ (cat not included) Jan 06 05:18:36 yeah Jan 06 05:18:57 I have a desktop case that started out with an AT PSU in it Jan 06 05:18:59 tower Jan 06 05:19:03 full-height Jan 06 05:19:19 did you redrill it to take an atx board? Jan 06 05:19:20 Must be 20Kg empty Jan 06 05:19:25 yes Jan 06 05:19:34 that ... is some dedication Jan 06 05:19:35 Also a rope carrying handle Jan 06 05:19:36 hats off Jan 06 05:20:19 I have accidentally dropped it down the stairs before. Jan 06 05:20:22 It dented Jan 06 05:20:24 the stairs Jan 06 05:20:41 (the paint got scuffed too. Jan 06 05:21:26 what were the stairs made out of? (please say concrete) Jan 06 05:23:29 yes, concrete Jan 06 05:23:33 it was shitty concrete Jan 06 05:23:43 but still Jan 06 05:25:55 almost lost hold of a CRT walking down a flight of carpeted concrete steps. I pulled off a nice diving catch though <_< Jan 06 05:26:24 does the case have a model number? I'd love to see what kind of a case inspires that kind of dedication :D Jan 06 05:26:25 SpeedEvil: oh those nice old cases Jan 06 05:26:46 johnx: it's not dedication - it's cheapness. Jan 06 05:26:47 SpeedEvil: had one of those , it was black, made of thick steel or some shit like that Jan 06 05:27:01 johnx: and it was purchased maybe ~1990 Jan 06 05:27:08 From Aashima IIRC Jan 06 05:27:12 a no-name box-shifter Jan 06 05:27:48 the AT case from my parents' first computer (circa 1993/1994) was ... pretty awful Jan 06 05:27:57 huge, but really flimsy feeling Jan 06 05:30:44 ZogG: Neither, really Jan 06 05:31:04 ZogG: t'was just a bad copy paste... a really bad one Jan 06 05:32:53 zgoldberg, man' it was hours ago =) Jan 06 05:33:17 ZogG: I don't check IRC as often as I should =p Jan 06 05:34:27 why aren't we researching and curing Apoptosis Jan 06 05:34:53 pupnik, because we're not doctors Jan 06 05:40:26 is ukeyboard on garage? Jan 06 05:40:30 cause i can't find it Jan 06 05:47:09 ZogG, this might help explain that: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=slovak-l10n;a=commit;h=a17bfeecfff4ca70cf4b9a08e145d50ddc6e8850 Jan 06 05:47:22 it was splited Jan 06 05:49:58 johnx splitted why ? Jan 06 05:50:04 official and non official? Jan 06 05:50:08 or how? Jan 06 05:51:36 I have no idea. read the link? Jan 06 05:52:36 http://213.251.145.96/cable/1990/07/90BAGHDAD4237.html Wikileaks: cable 90BAGHDAD4237, SADDAM'S MESSAGE OF FRIENDSHIP TO PRESIDENT BUSH Jan 06 06:43:04 Hello, I seem to have an issue with autobuilder. It seems it doesn't produce QGraphicsview elements from .ui files when compiling Jan 06 07:15:52 good morning Jan 06 07:57:14 plop Jan 06 07:57:36 plup Jan 06 07:57:45 plip Jan 06 07:58:58 quick, everyone look productive! Jan 06 08:00:59 * ZogG is trying hard but unsuccessfully Jan 06 08:27:13 http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=2gNCP4fmNug&feature=related Jan 06 08:27:14 lol Jan 06 08:28:52 My new place of work are going to force me to use ubuntu; now I'm torn between that and an Aero glass theme. ¬_¬ Jan 06 08:32:42 FauxFaux: I suggest installing Compiz and setting up the 3d cube. -so- much nicer! Jan 06 08:33:05 Lies, linux doesn't support 3d acceleration so that'll just break. ¬_¬ Jan 06 08:34:02 I can't tell if that was meant to be a joke or not... Jan 06 08:34:58 In -reality-, provided you install the blob drivers for ATI or Nvidia, Compiz works excellently. Jan 06 08:35:09 maybe a troll in the making ;) Jan 06 08:36:12 Possibly. Re: Compiz: http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/images/20101219-01:44:58.25.png Jan 06 08:36:26 Suck -that-, Aero. Jan 06 08:36:44 Text scrolling and flash are significantly better under radeonhd than under fglrx on both the machines in this house. Jan 06 08:37:27 you have to pay more for aero to be enabled, and yet compiz being free deserves the same amount of scrutiny? ludicrous! Jan 06 08:37:45 How does that work? I thought text-scrolling wasn't accellerated anyway Jan 06 08:37:59 And flash too... Unless you've got the latest beta or something Jan 06 08:38:03 All scrolling is accelerated under x. Jan 06 08:38:16 FauxFaux you can set kde on ubuntu Jan 06 08:38:26 FauxFaux, hmm Jan 06 08:38:27 Like, just reblitting an area somewhere else is accelerated. Jan 06 08:38:31 and still all these glass effets suck Jan 06 08:38:36 I suppose... Jan 06 08:38:53 ZogG: I want it to be less broken, not more broken! Jan 06 08:39:22 Personally, I use KDE and haven't had any trouble with speed, either on my dual-core laptop, dual-core desktop or quad-core desktop, so... Jan 06 08:39:49 FauxFaux as kde breaks it means kde is evil and only for show off =) Jan 06 08:40:00 FauxFaux, are you sure that you can jhust set an offset on existing x surface then draw the extra bits.. I thought that required knowledge and planning of the individual app widget itself Jan 06 08:40:09 it's not about speed as nowdays computers are pretty strong Jan 06 08:40:36 RobbieThe1st, look out for battery life improvements Jan 06 08:40:43 You'd think that until you tried to view a man page with acceleration broken. :p Jan 06 08:40:45 on...? Jan 06 08:40:48 thank goodness that many other OS still retains terminal access unlike windows :P Jan 06 08:40:49 FauxFaux you have screenlets, and smooth docks for gnome btw Jan 06 08:41:04 FauxFaux, no, I know an awful lot about accelerated graphics ;) Jan 06 08:41:29 lcuk: I was replying to ZogG. You obviously know what you're talking about so aren't a good target for trolling. ¬_¬ Jan 06 08:41:41 lcuk can it be applied to eink screens =) Jan 06 08:41:53 * MohammadAG wants a HW accelerated tty Jan 06 08:42:07 (The main problem is that these problems shouldn't exist and they do, and they make me really angry. Really, really angry.) Jan 06 08:42:08 Icuk: Improvements on the n900? Jan 06 08:42:35 FauxFaux haha, i woundn't care as i do't like those effects and heavy DEs and i mean not cpu memory usage but libs and dependies Jan 06 08:42:59 FauxFaux so than it's mainteiners problem Jan 06 08:44:28 Well, I'm gonna go play TF2 on virtual screen #2, so... Say my name if you want me to read something Jan 06 09:03:30 hi Jan 06 09:04:54 i am trying to copy a file from the n900 and at 30/100@ Jan 06 09:05:46 it stops saying cannot read from source file.is the storage damaged ? Jan 06 09:06:24 What file? Jan 06 09:06:48 I'd suggest using chkdsk on the disk - It might be damaged Jan 06 09:09:47 typed chkdsk in console says file not found Jan 06 09:10:27 duuh Jan 06 09:10:29 fsck Jan 06 09:10:58 how do you use chkdsk? Jan 06 09:11:39 assuming you're using an N900 (we're in #n900 you know) you should be using the command 'fsck' Jan 06 09:11:47 ehr Jan 06 09:11:51 #maemo :) Jan 06 09:12:55 same typed fsck file not found Jan 06 09:13:10 what device are you typing this on? Jan 06 09:13:16 n900 Jan 06 09:13:19 ofcourse you need to be root for that.. Jan 06 09:13:43 ok let me try as root Jan 06 09:13:46 sigh, does he not understand the concept of root? Jan 06 09:14:02 * tybollt_ goes for coffee instead :) Jan 06 09:14:20 but chkdsk - what the hell are you smoking there RobbieThe1st? :) Jan 06 09:14:27 back to dos :P Jan 06 09:16:17 ok typed fsck as root it shows me a version and a date Jan 06 09:16:30 a couple of weeks ago n900 decided to mount MyDocs partition as read-only and I had to fcsk it manually... maybe it would be better to do it automagically when needed, for a linux-noob that problem would have probably been unfixable Jan 06 09:17:03 uhuh Jan 06 09:17:39 Loom: any linux experience? Jan 06 09:18:32 yes but first time i hear of fsck Jan 06 09:19:41 can't you just tell me how to do chkdsk in linux what parametres fsck needs ? Jan 06 09:20:11 which partition? Jan 06 09:20:31 and please don't insult fsck by calling it chkdsk :P Jan 06 09:20:41 lol Jan 06 09:20:48 haha defregmention tool =) Jan 06 09:22:19 the hole disk Jan 06 09:22:30 whole Jan 06 09:22:40 fsck /dev ? Jan 06 09:22:58 ye whole Jan 06 09:23:13 yeah, fsck /dev/ Jan 06 09:23:27 you can't be sure that a virtual file system is not damaged Jan 06 09:23:40 lmfao Jan 06 09:23:50 do i sense sarcasm? :P Jan 06 09:23:53 Loom, what "disk", there are like 4 Jan 06 09:25:03 i thought it was 1 Jan 06 09:25:21 it doesn't work anyway Jan 06 09:26:04 well duh Jan 06 09:26:13 fsck -a /dev/mmcblk0p1 Jan 06 09:26:17 for MyDocs Jan 06 09:26:25 just unmount it first Jan 06 09:26:39 or it'll say you're a bonehead Jan 06 09:27:11 and add verbose output maybe? Jan 06 09:28:09 fsck help doesn't work neither Jan 06 09:29:40 read up Jan 06 09:43:37 To be fair, guys, I -assumed- that Loom was copying a file to a windows PC. Ergo, running chkdsk on a fat32 filesystem. Jan 06 09:44:02 Teaching someone how to do fsck requires more than one line. Jan 06 09:45:13 not really Jan 06 09:45:15 "man fsck" Jan 06 09:45:32 Yea. Try that on your (stock) n900. Jan 06 09:45:33 heh Jan 06 09:45:42 Jan 06 09:45:55 it works, you just need man-db(-n900) installed Jan 06 09:46:05 it's still stock when you install it Jan 06 09:46:26 And what repo is that in? Jan 06 09:47:05 extras Jan 06 09:47:11 (-devel) Jan 06 09:47:23 seriously, who doesn't have -devel these days Jan 06 09:47:47 People who aren't developers or don't mess with things? Jan 06 09:48:42 Either way, my point is that I couldn't know that A, he has devel enabled, or man-db installed. Or, B, that he knows how to read a manpage. Jan 06 09:49:32 Now, telling him to "google man fsck" or something might have worked, but I'm betting it would still have taken a few lines. And I was playing TF2 :P Jan 06 09:49:43 Oh well. Jan 06 09:50:59 Either way... Making instructions for the LCD is pretty dang hard, no matter -what- you are trying to do. Jan 06 09:52:43 People who aren't developers or don't mess with things? Jan 06 09:53:04 which rock have you been living under :P Jan 06 09:53:10 lol Jan 06 09:53:19 Yea. Like the many-percent who complain about things not working right, and are told to "disable devel", which they do. Jan 06 09:53:25 how can you not mess with n900? Jan 06 09:53:45 You'd be surprised. Jan 06 09:54:17 Personally, I intend to mess more than most... As soon as my new replacement capacitor & screen get here Jan 06 09:55:02 Yea. Like the many-percent who complain about things not working right, and are told to "disable devel", which they do. Jan 06 09:55:15 no no no, they disable it, and reenable it Jan 06 09:55:23 just to make sure it's working fine Jan 06 09:55:40 Point Jan 06 09:56:06 Still, there are a -few- who are literally scared to enable Devel. Though, they don't come in here usually, so... Jan 06 09:56:15 Either way, new user - Assuming == problem Jan 06 10:22:15 Hehe: http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/12442_Five_things_Nokia_need_to_fix_.php Jan 06 10:24:31 Anotherminor amusement: http://jeff-vogel.blogspot.com/2011/01/three-reasons-creators-should-never.html Jan 06 10:35:55 RST38h: heh, yeah, i'd be happy if half those symbian issues get fixed in the upcoming software update Jan 06 10:37:16 in the upcoming *MAEMO* software update =) Jan 06 10:37:42 maemo has at least half those fixed :P Jan 06 10:37:51 ORLY? Jan 06 10:38:53 the updates and home screen widgets for two Jan 06 10:39:44 the default camera interface is if anything worse, but i could argue fcam helps reverse that issue Jan 06 10:40:01 (which is at least partially an official nokia app) Jan 06 10:40:17 the browser has less issues than the symbian one, but still issues, heh Jan 06 10:40:19 i'd say maemo fixes more or less 8 of 10 Jan 06 10:40:33 quite enough to dump symbian forever Jan 06 10:40:38 picking names out of the contact list is also much better in maemo Jan 06 10:40:54 ieatlint, but still sucks Jan 06 10:40:58 and podcasting/internet radio works well for me at least Jan 06 10:41:20 its just a shame the mail client on maemo is just so utterly abysmally terribly dreadfully awful Jan 06 10:42:13 i like how all the good symbian^3/n8 reviews start off with some disclaimer about how their review is based on coming from older symbian versions rather than from android/iphone to symbian^3 Jan 06 10:43:12 my last symbian phone was an s60 3rd edition... and s^3 is definitely an improvement, but when compared to android, iphone or maemo... it's a pos Jan 06 10:44:21 real shame too, because the hardware on the n8 is pretty awesome Jan 06 10:44:41 i use it as a camera and a gps unit now, heh Jan 06 10:44:54 I dont really see the problem, practically every shortcoming can be sorted with extra software Jan 06 10:45:41 well i'd also personally criticise the n8's resolution and ram Jan 06 10:45:51 the n900 has twice the ram.. Jan 06 10:47:36 same amount of ram* Jan 06 10:48:04 ah, my mistake, you are correct Jan 06 10:48:17 i for some reason believed the n900 was 512mb like most smartphones in its class Jan 06 10:51:37 i still like that my n900's camera kicks the ass of most other smartphones Jan 06 10:51:47 if we had 512Mb RAM n900 would be lightspeed fast, as almost all slowdowns are caused by io bottlenecks while heavy swapping Jan 06 10:51:50 and the n8's camera just laughs at all other smartphone cameras Jan 06 10:53:47 * Dassu only uses cameras for taking a digital photos of paper documents Jan 06 10:54:14 * kerio thinks a scanner would be *soooooooo* much better for that Jan 06 10:55:13 scanners aren't as portable Jan 06 10:55:41 kerio: :( Dont have a scanner Jan 06 10:56:07 the n8 has one other big issue that is also a feature... the flash Jan 06 10:56:32 since it's not simply an led, it can't be kept on, so it fails as a flashlight (which is a fucking awesome and useful feature) Jan 06 10:56:52 and for things like a barcode reader, it's not as practical to use the flash to help readability -- which can really reduce its effectiveness Jan 06 10:57:28 but the flash is a lot brighter, heh Jan 06 11:14:30 It's very strange why nokia's phone have so small amount of RAM Jan 06 11:14:40 No,it is not. Jan 06 11:14:50 yes, it's cheaper. Maybe symbian and meamo are better Jan 06 11:14:59 Google OneNAND. Jan 06 11:15:11 And apply your analytical skills. Jan 06 11:15:36 RST38h: Please explain Jan 06 11:15:52 Hmmm...no analytical skills. Ok. Jan 06 11:16:09 Jenea: Nokia uses OneNAND chips from Samsung for its phones Jan 06 11:16:39 Jenea: OneNAND combines RAM and flash on a single chip and comes in several different sizes Jan 06 11:17:25 Jenea: The 256+256 size you find in N900 was pretty much the best readily available part at the moment when N900 was designed. Jan 06 11:18:10 :( Jan 06 11:19:22 RST38h: I think it is better to ask some one than to pretend that you have a world brain Jan 06 11:19:25 ok Jan 06 11:19:26 thanks Jan 06 11:19:40 It is better to google, Jenea. Really. Jan 06 11:19:46 :) Jan 06 11:22:59 So phone chips for nokia are made by samsung and samsung mades its own phones Jan 06 11:23:03 Cool Jan 06 11:23:04 :) Jan 06 11:24:11 Jenea, yes, economics 101 Jan 06 11:24:33 so what, nokia should make every capacitor, every resistior, etc, in house? Jan 06 11:24:57 that would of course be idiotic.. :) Jan 06 11:25:27 and idiotic doesn't sound like nokia at all ;) Jan 06 11:25:35 :P Jan 06 11:25:37 no but it should have good OS Jan 06 11:25:38 no, that would be economics 010 Jan 06 11:25:59 Jenea, have you come here to troll? Jan 06 11:26:10 Because, if that's the case, just state your point clearly so I can ban you out of here Jan 06 11:50:05 RST38h: AIUI OneNAND is the storage POP of SoC, so even while it's Samsung, the whole "chip" is TI Jan 06 11:52:41 Doc: Personally, I do not have any strong opinions on itbeing Samsung Jan 06 11:53:07 Doc: Samsung makes shitloads of various electronic components used by everybody around the world Jan 06 11:53:53 RST38h: sure Jan 06 11:56:00 test Jan 06 11:56:07 failed Jan 06 11:56:21 ~ping Jan 06 11:56:21 ~pong Jan 06 11:57:00 while /ping is even more polite Jan 06 12:00:20 just >> So phone chips for nokia are made by samsung and samsung mades its own phones<< is completely missing the point. If there's any funny part in it, then it's TI shipping SoCs that are labeled with a Samsung label on outer PoP Jan 06 12:10:48 How can i use Wimax in N900 ? Jan 06 12:12:01 Um... There's a wimax transceiver in the n900? Jan 06 12:12:12 no clue Jan 06 12:12:17 there's not Jan 06 12:12:22 that is why i ask u guys , the professionals Jan 06 12:13:07 So, yea. No wimax. You might be able to find a wimax -> wifi router box Jan 06 12:13:10 if there is a SD card based wimax tranceiver , that would be awesome Jan 06 12:13:13 and then connect to it via wifi Jan 06 12:13:37 since we dont use any sd cards on N900 Jan 06 12:13:48 we can use that slot to hook up a wimax tranceiver :D Jan 06 12:14:30 Well, it's a microSD slot... but Jan 06 12:14:39 You'd have to find proper drivers, too... Jan 06 12:15:34 wimax >> WIFI is also cool Jan 06 12:15:49 but i need an extra device for it and unable to use on the go :( Jan 06 12:17:27 ..why? Get yourself a wifi hotspot, a little power-pack, tape em together and you're good to go Jan 06 12:17:36 daxt: use USB-WIMAX-dongle Jan 06 12:18:00 but it needs an external power source right , docscrutinizer ? Jan 06 12:18:22 N900'll give you 200ma, so... Jan 06 12:18:37 not sure. Depends on power requirements of dongle. N900 provides 200mA@5V Jan 06 12:18:58 DocScrutinizer, care to design external portable power supplies? Jan 06 12:19:01 http://www.skynetwork.lk/Edited_bro.png Jan 06 12:19:06 http://www.ladyada.net/make/mintyboost/ Jan 06 12:19:15 MohammadAG: ?? Jan 06 12:19:15 check the dongle in there Jan 06 12:19:17 All you need, plus a couple connections/custom cable Jan 06 12:19:51 DocScrutinizer, an external battery Jan 06 12:19:59 to power hubs/hotswap batteries Jan 06 12:20:03 I'd buy one Jan 06 12:20:10 Ibought one with solar cell, for 8EUR Jan 06 12:20:28 hmm, link? Jan 06 12:20:30 how do u hook up an external battery and a usb wimax dongle both together ? Jan 06 12:20:39 u got only one usb port in N900 Jan 06 12:20:40 mompls Jan 06 12:20:47 a hub? this is 2011 Jan 06 12:21:29 hub also needs power Jan 06 12:21:38 for that u need another battery Jan 06 12:22:14 err no, you need one battery for the hub which then powers the wimax adapter Jan 06 12:22:23 it's not rocket science :P Jan 06 12:22:37 Doc: Does the solar cell help? :) Jan 06 12:22:42 I just got a second hand n90 running maemo. which flashing process is most appropriate to restore the OS on the device to a trusted state? Jan 06 12:22:52 http://www.google.de/search?q=cabstone+solar+charger Jan 06 12:23:29 Yes, but does it help? Jan 06 12:23:33 RST38h: not really Jan 06 12:23:42 thought so =( Jan 06 12:24:25 you allegedly can charge the 1Ah LiIon during one day of bright sunlight Jan 06 12:25:17 I'm happy to think it compensates for cell self discharge, if device not stored in a dark drawer Jan 06 12:25:17 so much spam on wordpress Jan 06 12:25:57 Doc: Sunlight changes drastically depending on your geo location and time of the year Jan 06 12:26:04 RST38h: but hey, 8 bucks Jan 06 12:26:23 Doc: To me, it is "another useless piece of plastic" and not "8 bucks" Jan 06 12:26:30 Would pay 80 bucks for a working one though Jan 06 12:26:59 for me it's an external battery powered USB PSU Jan 06 12:27:55 and I'm fine with it's usability when charged from USB Jan 06 12:28:01 can u guys recommend me a good usb hub for N900 ? Jan 06 12:28:09 then charging via USB on the go Jan 06 12:28:41 yea Jan 06 12:29:28 daxt: model X of brand Y - special criterion: externally powered by a 5V PSU Jan 06 12:29:59 please be more precise Jan 06 12:30:25 OMG even *moar* Jan 06 12:30:55 daxt: model * (pick what you like) - special criterion: externally powered by a 5V PSU Jan 06 12:31:03 better? Jan 06 12:31:11 ya Jan 06 12:31:16 now its better Jan 06 12:32:44 http://www.xpalpower.com/uk/products/xp4001/ Jan 06 12:35:21 that's no hub ;-P Jan 06 12:37:14 what you guys think of this? http://i52.tinypic.com/20pyrm8.png Jan 06 12:37:45 is it possible to get greasemonkey and/or stylish (both firefox extensions) running in microb? Jan 06 12:37:52 nfc Jan 06 12:38:02 timeless_mbp: ^^ Jan 06 12:38:13 * timeless_mbp looks up Jan 06 12:38:14 probably not thp Jan 06 12:38:20 iirc greasemonkey exists for microb Jan 06 12:38:23 greasemonkey works Jan 06 12:38:24 iirc sp3000 uses it Jan 06 12:38:31 yep, it does, I use it Jan 06 12:38:32 stylish, dunno Jan 06 12:39:25 depending on how stylish works, it's probably possible to port, but i wouldn't spend the time on it myself, sorry Jan 06 12:39:48 generally i think greasemonkey and usercss should be sufficient for most needs Jan 06 12:39:51 i only use user css Jan 06 12:55:08 timeless_mbp: in for fun? use microb to visit http://library.maemodocs.nokia.com/fremantle/index.jsp Jan 06 12:55:49 DocScrutinizer: today's my day off, i'm writing up an analysis of SNI support Jan 06 12:57:42 whatever that is Jan 06 12:58:33 day off - never heard about :-P seriously, SNI? Jan 06 13:06:40 timeless_mbp, MohammadAG: thanks. i'll have a look. any links for greasemonkey maybe? ;) Jan 06 13:06:50 should be in the repositories Jan 06 13:06:57 ~sni Jan 06 13:07:39 http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2011-January/029694.html Jan 06 13:08:19 timeless_mbp: thanks btw, because SNI works pretty fine in maemo browser and it's not exactly the case for other mobile browsers Jan 06 13:08:22 http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/greasemonkey-webaddon/0.8.20090920.2-3maemo1/ Jan 06 13:08:36 Corsac: if you have more details, i'd love to hear them Jan 06 13:08:47 (or you could add them to the Wikipedia page) Jan 06 13:09:07 yeah, i was thrilled to see Maemo just listed in the section of the Wikipedia item Jan 06 13:09:08 that was awesome Jan 06 13:09:20 oh yeah, greasemonkey-webaddon :) got it. thanks! Jan 06 13:09:32 yep, in the repos Jan 06 13:09:46 thp, any luck with g_sound? Jan 06 13:09:55 thp: again, if someone wants it to go into testing, i'd suggest asking romaxa and then doing an nmu Jan 06 13:10:13 timeless_mbp: details on SNI or on the fact it works on maemo? Jan 06 13:10:39 Corsac: if you have details on mobile platforms where it fails (how), i'd love to hear Jan 06 13:10:46 the thrilled part was for the just works on maemo Jan 06 13:11:13 I remember a test on iphone (but before iOS4) which failed miserably Jan 06 13:11:29 (SSL on iOS is a massive fail anyway, afair) Jan 06 13:13:10 ~SNI is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication Jan 06 13:13:11 okay, DocScrutinizer Jan 06 13:13:34 Corsac: per my research any iOS before 4 doesn't have SNI support, so yeah :) Jan 06 13:14:10 hrm, i didn't list w2k in my research Jan 06 13:14:13 "oops" Jan 06 13:15:14 i think the bottom line for sni is that you buy one cert for m..com Jan 06 13:15:20 and then an sni for everything else Jan 06 13:15:26 or rather, not one cert Jan 06 13:15:42 but you dedicate one ip not doing sni for m..com Jan 06 13:15:58 so you only need 3 ips: DNS, m., *., Jan 06 13:16:15 and you can probably have your provider run DNS for you Jan 06 13:16:23 so your cost is 2 ip's Jan 06 13:16:46 MohammadAG: no luck with g_audio yet.. Jan 06 13:16:53 Corsac: sound about right? Jan 06 13:16:56 * DocScrutinizer frowns ad wonders if he is in need of another coffee Jan 06 13:17:21 * timeless_mbp offers DocScrutinizer an 'n' Jan 06 13:17:24 ~xyawn Jan 06 13:17:24 from memory, xyawn is nice coffee Jan 06 13:17:38 ~botsnack Jan 06 13:17:39 :), DocScrutinizer Jan 06 13:18:29 thanks for the nice 'n', mate Jan 06 13:18:46 * timeless_mbp wonders if DocScrutinizer knows where to put it :) Jan 06 13:20:52 timeless_mbp: the whole point is to make vhosting easy with ssl Jan 06 13:21:02 Corsac: yeah, i know Jan 06 13:21:15 timeless_mbp: so you can only have one IP serving multiple vhosts, without having one large certificates with subjectaltname and wildcards Jan 06 13:21:19 i'm just saying that if you need to support mobile, you just have one non vhosted site (m.) Jan 06 13:21:35 you can buy normal certs and sni the rest of the things w/ vhosts Jan 06 13:21:54 I'm lost Jan 06 13:21:54 but to support iPhones running iOS3- you'd want a non vhost for m. Jan 06 13:22:10 do mobile browsers first try m. before ? Jan 06 13:22:23 users might do m. before Jan 06 13:22:28 ok Jan 06 13:22:30 but users tend to do before Jan 06 13:22:35 yeah Jan 06 13:22:40 so if you ensure that m. wins in google Jan 06 13:22:42 you're fine Jan 06 13:22:57 and google will try to offer an m. to phones Jan 06 13:23:07 (not sure I prefer m. over standard site but maybe that's a maemo habbit) Jan 06 13:23:10 (not sure if that includes iOS, but i suspect it does) Jan 06 13:23:23 i like m. for certain things Jan 06 13:23:31 and i have usercss on my n900 to "fix" m. Jan 06 13:23:37 (it makes the fonts big enough to read) Jan 06 13:24:42 i hate how ovi needs an N900 useragent Jan 06 13:25:01 MohammadAG: do you know/want to know why? :) Jan 06 13:27:40 timeless_mbp: (where to put it) of course :-) I put it where I keep all my saved letters, ad it looks nice there :-D Jan 06 13:28:18 :) Jan 06 13:31:30 (user tend to do ...) yeah, depressing. Quite a lot never heard about URLs at all Jan 06 13:32:25 timeless_mbp, yeah sure Jan 06 13:32:34 echo "google.com 127.0.0.1" >>/etc/hosts; they will think "the internet is dead" Jan 06 13:32:46 MohammadAG: so, before pr1.1 ovi sales wouldn't work properly Jan 06 13:32:57 and you can't upgrade from 1.0 to 1.1, you need to get 1.0.1 Jan 06 13:33:10 so ovi uses the version to determine if it needs to tell you to upgrade and how :) Jan 06 13:34:18 strange ts vibra has stopped working Jan 06 13:34:43 Ah, back now ... Jan 06 13:34:45 Odd Jan 06 13:35:06 I honestly witnessed a "user" enter http://www.google.com into google search's text input box Jan 06 13:35:13 :D Jan 06 13:35:48 yeah, I've seen people googling google.com Jan 06 13:36:14 heh Jan 06 13:36:43 DocScrutinizer: yeah - mum used to do that. Jan 06 13:37:42 Finally took the plunge and ordered my Nokia N90o :) Cant wait for it to arrive so I can start writing cool stuff for it :P Jan 06 13:37:59 timeless_mbp, couldn't you hook microb up with osso-product-info? Jan 06 13:38:10 I really hate the N900's useragent Jan 06 13:38:18 especially with google Jan 06 13:38:31 and youtube Jan 06 13:38:39 jonwil: congrats! Believe it or not, you can start writing cool stuff tight away :-D Jan 06 13:38:46 MohammadAG: um, eh? Jan 06 13:38:54 how exactly do you want this to work? Jan 06 13:38:58 s/tight/right Jan 06 13:38:58 jonwil: congrats. Jan 06 13:39:07 the only thing web sites get is a useragent Jan 06 13:39:29 yeah, the whole reason to buy the N900 is that its the most hacker friendly phone out there Jan 06 13:39:31 MohammadAG: exactly how foolishly a server parses a useragent is up to the stupidity of hte web master Jan 06 13:39:41 s/ht/th/ Jan 06 13:39:42 timeless_mbp meant: MohammadAG: exactly how foolishly a server parses a useragent is up to the stupidity of the web master Jan 06 13:39:49 OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION='20.2010.36-2' Jan 06 13:39:54 jonwil: regrettably, yes. Jan 06 13:39:54 well there is the OpenMoko Freerunner phone but that's technology that was a decade obsolete even when it was released... Jan 06 13:40:06 jonwil: that's really a bit harsh. Jan 06 13:40:09 it's not that hard to let microB store that somewhere, and have ovi read it :P Jan 06 13:40:15 heh :P Jan 06 13:40:18 2-2.5 years - maybe Jan 06 13:40:45 Though they could actually have released a mass-market - well - hacker - phone in xmas 2007 Jan 06 13:40:58 GTK, basic phone/sms/... stack, X. Jan 06 13:41:11 But they decided they needed it to be pretty - and lost the plot. Jan 06 13:41:29 i wonder how hard it would be to get ofono on maemo 5 Jan 06 13:41:40 MohammadAG: IIRC people are trying Jan 06 13:42:08 whats ofono? Jan 06 13:42:09 kinda lowers the difficulty of rewriting the phone app Jan 06 13:42:15 google it Jan 06 13:42:17 :P Jan 06 13:42:26 open source phone stack Jan 06 13:42:32 jonwil: (FR obsolete) TWO, hell THREE decades... of months Jan 06 13:42:50 ok so maybe it wasnt THAT old Jan 06 13:43:04 jonwil: that's the price you pay for using open documented chips Jan 06 13:43:48 is the FR a bit small? Jan 06 13:44:03 The other thing I dont like about the FR is that it doesn't have a keyboard Jan 06 13:44:09 or should i blame my eyes? Jan 06 13:44:18 which the n900 does Jan 06 13:44:57 It looks like the N900 is more hacker friendly than even the "google" phones like the Nexus 1 and Nexus S Jan 06 13:45:47 it's less user-friendly though Jan 06 13:46:07 true. Jan 06 13:46:09 Corsac: Jan 06 13:46:17 I mean Jan 06 13:46:32 I love android so much that I started hating it Jan 06 13:46:39 Corsac: grrrr sorry wrong window Jan 06 13:46:59 I can handle a full Gentoo Emerge. I think I can handle the N900 and its UI quirks :) Jan 06 13:47:01 jonwil: andridiot isn't hacker friendly. Never was, never aimed to be Jan 06 13:47:25 indeed Jan 06 13:49:03 which is why I bought a smartphone where the manufacturer doesn't try and fight the hackers at every turn. Jan 06 13:49:54 nope, you bought a phone where the manufacturer just leaves the users on their own and tells them "tough" Jan 06 13:50:19 XP Jan 06 13:50:35 lmao Jan 06 13:51:13 the fighting is on a different level: http://2600hertz.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/meego-destroy-in-6-steps/ Jan 06 13:54:37 Nokia is no different to any other company when it comes to open source support Jan 06 13:55:29 The only companies who care about the community are those where open source is their business like RedHat Jan 06 13:55:50 Even then RedHat cares a lot more about you if you have a support contract Jan 06 13:56:27 DocScrutinizer: oh thats a good one! Jan 06 13:58:05 peetah: no problem :) Jan 06 13:58:27 erhm Jan 06 13:58:40 jonwil, redhat doesn't really care about its open source community Jan 06 13:59:38 RedHat contributes a lot of code (and development hours) to open source projects Jan 06 13:59:52 that's not community Jan 06 13:59:59 true Jan 06 14:02:35 heh, that's random, i know josh berkus... never recall him saying a word about meego/maemo/mobilin Jan 06 14:03:01 hello, I get error when loading pidgin, what does it mean? Jan 06 14:03:03 RROR: Caught a segmentation fault while loading plugin file Jan 06 14:03:16 usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstvolume.so Jan 06 14:03:25 lolloo, it crashed Jan 06 14:03:39 how can I fix it. Jan 06 14:03:50 How could I type ö ä characters in stardict on my n900 ? I tried to copy a file onto the device for instance with those characters but I cannot copy anything from the terminal into the stardict ? What is the easiest way ? Jan 06 14:04:11 it seems it crashed because of this libgstvolume.so Jan 06 14:04:38 I tried reboot, and remove it and instal it again. but didnt wokr. Jan 06 14:05:20 how can I reinstall usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstvolume.so Jan 06 14:10:41 still crashing! Jan 06 14:11:16 is it sometimes because of new instalation of other apps? Jan 06 14:11:51 lolloo: blame pulseaudio :-P Jan 06 14:14:11 lolloo: you *might* want to run pidgin under gdb control, then on segfault do a backtrace. This would maybe yield additional helpful info about why it segfaults Jan 06 14:14:37 alright, also I will disbale audio in pidgin. Jan 06 14:14:49 that should help :-D Jan 06 14:20:11 ctrl, shift insert magic cannot work either in terminal since there is no insert button. Jan 06 14:23:53 djszapi: in xterm there's copy and paste buttons in menu Jan 06 14:25:02 djszapi: to highlight text you need to click the cursor-alike arrow left hand icon in toolbar Jan 06 14:26:55 djszapi: ...then highlight text, select "copy" from drop-down menu, and insert into any app's text input field by whatever is the appropriate way there - usually ctrl-v Jan 06 14:29:43 djszapi: similarly in apps that don't use raw input like ctrl- (shell does, see ctrl-c), you cut, copy, paste as usualy via ctrl-x,c,v Jan 06 14:30:11 s/ususly/usual/ . Jan 06 14:37:52 i keep trying the 'date' command but i haven't gotten any dates from it yet Jan 06 14:38:12 haha Jan 06 14:40:01 when I attemp to reinstall pidgin I get this error when installing Jan 06 14:40:03 var/lib/dpkg/info/pidgin.postinst: line 11: maemo-select-menu-location: not found Jan 06 14:41:11 echo -e "#!/bin/sh\necho 'whatever'" > /usr/bin/maemo-select-menu-location Jan 06 14:41:21 chmod +x /usr/bin/maemo-select-menu-location Jan 06 14:41:29 dpkg --configure -a Jan 06 14:41:31 heh :-D Jan 06 14:41:33 dirty hack, but whatever Jan 06 14:41:38 any idea for the ö ä characters _ Jan 06 14:41:40 ? Jan 06 14:41:54 so I just type this all down? Jan 06 14:42:05 in a root shell Jan 06 14:42:11 you better c&p it Jan 06 14:42:17 awesome Jan 06 14:42:22 indeed Jan 06 14:43:09 wtf is /usr/bin/maemo-select-menu-location supposed to do and to come from? Jan 06 14:43:30 diablo heritage afaik Jan 06 14:43:35 ouch Jan 06 14:44:05 ~ $ cat /usr/bin/maemo-select-menu-location Jan 06 14:44:08 is a newline Jan 06 14:44:14 haha Jan 06 14:44:14 it's an empty script Jan 06 14:44:24 aha Jan 06 14:45:04 No such file or directory Jan 06 14:45:52 /var/lib/dpkg/info/maemo-select-menu-location.list:/usr/bin/maemo-select-menu-location Jan 06 14:46:10 I'd be interested in /pidgin.postinst: line 11 Jan 06 14:46:32 it selects the menu Jan 06 14:46:48 probably with arguments and all Jan 06 14:47:01 sorry, you lost me Jan 06 14:47:02 gconf-editor maemo-select-menu-location Jan 06 14:47:11 gconf-editor depends on it Jan 06 14:47:17 so yeah, diablo heritage Jan 06 14:47:36 instead of fixing a package, they uploaded an empty scriptpt Jan 06 14:47:39 lazy devs Jan 06 14:47:55 who did? Jan 06 14:48:15 idk Jan 06 14:48:16 maemo-select-menu-location gconf-editor.hildon.desktop tana_fi_extras Jan 06 14:48:23 that's an example usage line Jan 06 14:48:27 from a postinst Jan 06 14:48:31 you're talking gibberish Jan 06 14:48:53 Description: Fremantle dummy package Jan 06 14:49:18 nah, i'm pasting lines without saying where they're from Jan 06 14:49:34 it's qole's package, and since the description says it's a dummy package... Jan 06 14:49:44 well, then it's a dummy package Jan 06 14:50:41 it installed correctly thanks! but pidgin still crashes. Jan 06 14:51:46 am going to remove it completly from the device and remove the directory manually. Jan 06 15:11:11 Af'noon, all Jan 06 15:13:40 hello Jan 06 15:13:57 hi Jaffa Jan 06 15:15:58 hi Jaffa Jan 06 15:21:59 Jaffa: hope you feel better Jan 06 15:52:02 http://jeff-vogel.blogspot.com/2011/01/three-reasons-creators-should-never.html Jan 06 15:56:06 yup Jan 06 15:56:19 Forums contain a cacophony of people telling you to do diametrically opposite things, very loudly, often for bad reasons. Jan 06 16:03:37 yaaaaaaaaay Jan 06 16:04:39 SpeedEvil, appropriate brain filters help with that. Jan 06 16:04:48 Sure. Jan 06 16:05:04 GAN900: not reading them helps more Jan 06 16:06:25 It takes a lot of effort to ignore people hurling insults at your personal work (for real or perceived defects) Jan 06 16:15:43 * SpeedEvil hurls insurgents at MrBawb. Jan 06 16:20:47 and i hate all this "look at my thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!" posts with same questons again and again =*( Jan 06 16:21:14 * MrBawb hides in a bunker Jan 06 16:21:41 would be nice to have an "electrocute" button next to the "thanks" button... :) Jan 06 16:22:52 "stab in the face"? Jan 06 16:25:23 'ignore posts from this user' Jan 06 16:25:56 the lack of that feature led me to ignore t.m.o Jan 06 16:31:15 pupnik: ++ Jan 06 16:37:07 pupnik, that's a feature. Jan 06 16:38:02 GAN900: ?? Jan 06 16:38:14 DocScrutinizer, ignoring a user. Jan 06 16:38:16 self-censoring? Jan 06 16:38:25 TMO that is Jan 06 16:38:32 GAN900: sorry does not compute Jan 06 16:38:41 GAN900: this is an *existing* feature? Jan 06 16:38:50 DocScrutinizer, for a while. Jan 06 16:38:53 GAN900: this is the definition of a feature? Jan 06 16:39:05 I was on geneven's ignore list for at least a year. Jan 06 16:39:33 GAN900, you're so cool, can I be your friend? Jan 06 16:39:35 GAN900: now THIS is a nice feature? Jan 06 16:39:35 I wonder if it would be illuminating to be able to see peoples ignore list contents Jan 06 16:40:34 epp, no. Jan 06 16:41:02 GAN900: sorry, I don't see any ignore-button on tmo Jan 06 16:41:14 lardman, about as illuminating as being able to see recent thumb downs on maemo.org. Jan 06 16:41:35 well if a name were attached to the thumb Jan 06 16:41:44 I'll call this new feature a "thumb print" Jan 06 16:42:04 ;) Jan 06 16:42:55 actually a subscript next to the thanks list would be cool. mentioning at least number of ignores for this post/user Jan 06 16:44:37 autoignore posts of users that are ignored by those particular users as well >list of tmo users>, or have more than >xxx< arbitrary ignores Jan 06 16:47:08 *yawn* Jan 06 16:48:37 ~ping Jan 06 16:48:38 ~pong Jan 06 16:48:43 bing bong bing Jan 06 16:49:14 hi Jan 06 16:49:27 pupnik report bugfix, but you can't to ignore all new comming users with their questions, they just make forum un navigatable Jan 06 17:17:19 which is sad because in 2010 a lot of people did great work for maemo5 Jan 06 17:17:31 my lack of contributions stems more from my own faults Jan 06 17:17:42 but it's nice to blame it on others Jan 06 17:18:12 DocScrutinizer: the web of distrust? Jan 06 17:19:35 pupnik: DocScrutinizer: As GAN900 says, you can "ignore posts by this user" Jan 06 17:22:09 oh awesome, they implemented it Jan 06 17:22:19 BCMM: maybe even the economy of trolling: each new user gets 10 credits / month (users with higher karma accordingly more), opening a new thread costs 10 credits (or maybe 5 in noobs-subforum, and up to 50 in special interest sections). Answering a thread costs 1/10 of the opening costs, and you can earn credits by thanks Jan 06 17:22:39 DocScrutinizer: this sounds like several failed spam email solutions Jan 06 17:23:15 then again, they might've been the sort that failed because everybody would've had to adopt them, which can be forced on a forum Jan 06 17:23:23 Did you guys know that one of the very first Science Fiction short stories predicted the Internet, and IRC/chat? 1909: "The Machine Stops" , by E.M. Forster http://archive.ncsa.illinois.edu/prajlich/forster.html Jan 06 17:23:40 DocScrutinizer: anyway, is there a trolling problem on TMO? i thought it was mostly just honestly stupid people Jan 06 17:24:44 (with a serious sense of entitlement, presumably coming from thinking that the forum is tech support for something they paid good money for, etc.) Jan 06 17:26:08 actually, the karma economy thing sounds a bit like slashcode's karma system, which basically works pretty well, apart from the occasional humorous usage like modding especially good trolling "insightful" Jan 06 17:28:09 well, the big problem with that kind of system is that it's weighted heavily towards contributors rather than "users", which is a problem for a forum like tmo that has a lot of "user" activity Jan 06 17:29:10 someone clueless can be perfectly legit and asking perfectly valid questions, which will suck up all their credits in no time, leaving them essentially unable to post for a month Jan 06 17:29:39 sounds good to me Jan 06 17:30:08 BCMM: Honestly Stupid People are otherwise known as "cancer" Jan 06 17:30:11 we also have this chat here for small problems :) Jan 06 17:30:20 None of them are trolls, but the end effect is the same. Jan 06 17:30:43 mikki-kun: Yes. The answer to your question is www.google.com. Next. Jan 06 17:30:51 XD Jan 06 17:31:06 google didnt answer my wondering :( Jan 06 17:31:16 RST38h: for the german-speaking people there is "www.gidf.de" Jan 06 17:31:58 RST38h: and i didn't have any question... Jan 06 17:32:12 so how can it answer me a question i didn't have? Jan 06 17:34:42 but uhhhh, 10 credits per month... and a thread costs 10... this will eventually lead to thread hijacking Jan 06 17:35:39 and just to make a special thread, wait 5 months? tbh that doesn't sound really helpful... Jan 06 17:47:09 economy parameters are of course adjustable. I'm no ecosystem expert Jan 06 17:52:22 i much rather think of 100 points for each month or such Jan 06 17:54:51 but i think it is still important to have areas free of those rules Jan 06 17:55:10 so that you can at least do something in the forums Jan 06 17:55:34 maybe this credit-system could be applied to a subforum called "tech support" :) Jan 06 18:09:25 ty for the link mikki-kun Jan 06 18:10:01 lol ^^ np :) Jan 06 18:11:22 http://idle.slashdot.org/story/11/01/06/014226/SEGA-Brings-Gaming-To-Public-Restroom-Toilets - can you get waterproof cases for the n900? Jan 06 18:11:23 since trying out an android device, i have been horrified by how terrible the search results are for it Jan 06 18:11:48 and how dispersed the good information is, and how many spam sites come up in results Jan 06 18:12:03 the amount of time that costs is incredible -- maemo is almost paradise in comparison Jan 06 18:12:22 search results for what? Jan 06 18:17:01 that sounds a lot like Windows Jan 06 18:18:18 yes, it reminded me a lot of it Jan 06 18:18:30 for example searching for a ssh-client to run from terminal Jan 06 18:18:34 i spent 1 hour Jan 06 18:19:05 * BCMM shudders at the thought of not having OpenSSH Jan 06 18:19:25 and finally came up with a dropbear build from an obscure site, with very little confirmation that it was safe Jan 06 18:19:43 that sounds *exactly* like getting anything done on windows Jan 06 18:20:10 pupnik: ConnectBot? Jan 06 18:23:18 good evening :) Jan 06 18:24:57 they see me trolling and hatting ... lalalala Jan 06 18:25:37 sorry guys i want to buy 1 or 2 new bl5j accus for my n900 ... do you know where i may find a REAL nokia bl5j or atleast one that you would recommend ? Jan 06 18:27:41 chromium-browser crashed X (possibly from html5/youtube) Jan 06 18:28:30 I got a "real" faked "original" bl-5j from a turkish we-got-everything shop nearby, for 1/5 of what it costs in a Nokia shop. Works ok for me Jan 06 18:29:20 pupnik: TMO's had "ignore posts by this user" for *years*. Since ITT days. Jan 06 18:29:53 somehow i missed that Jan 06 18:30:41 you know ... working is ofcourse one thing ... lasting like an original like the ones n900´s are shipped with is onother ithink ;) Jan 06 18:30:47 so Jan 06 18:31:22 my original battery seems to have magic powers, it decided to suddenly get like 2-3 times better a couple of weeks ago Jan 06 18:31:23 jaffa, did you ever remove the block on GAN900? :P Jan 06 18:31:30 iam am confused and frightend already ... :P Jan 06 18:31:47 nidO, caused by change in behaviour or app list most likely Jan 06 18:32:02 if X11 crashes, that's X11's fault Jan 06 18:32:13 theres been no app changes, and its 2-3x better than when the device was *brand new and with no software installed* Jan 06 18:32:37 starting just before christmas the device can suddenly manage over a week idle, where previously it'd struggle to manage 2-3 days Jan 06 18:33:25 pupnik: i tried nitdroid, i found two packages which are addons for a third Jan 06 18:33:31 afaict the third package doesn't exist anymore Jan 06 18:33:33 which is well... awesome Jan 06 18:33:48 maybe it EXPLODES inside of my baby -and kills me also ORSOMESHITLIKETHAT :P Jan 06 18:33:53 http://timeless.justdave.net/blog/143/ Jan 06 18:33:57 for x11 crashing Jan 06 18:34:03 but Jan 06 18:34:21 * timeless_mbp still hasn't found a Terminal for android Jan 06 18:34:39 i found something that claimed to be a terminal from the android devs, and installed it, but i can't find it in the launcher Jan 06 18:34:45 * timeless_mbp hearts maemo Jan 06 18:34:49 you think an extra accu like for 7 or 10 dollars is ok ... ?!? Jan 06 18:34:51 nice Jan 06 18:35:04 i suggest spending a bit more Jan 06 18:35:17 lcuk: Nah, I've got an ignore on "*" ;-) Jan 06 18:35:25 mohammadag ?? :) what do YOU think :) Jan 06 18:36:05 timeless_mbp: got a reply from romaxa, "That is part of Maemo PR1.2 image already." Jan 06 18:36:31 timeless_mbp: this is about "microb-engine-common-ext" btw Jan 06 18:36:32 trumee: oh, heh, right Jan 06 18:36:41 yeah, the same thing happened for geoloc Jan 06 18:36:43 * timeless_mbp forgot Jan 06 18:37:48 timeless_mbp: but dpkg -L microb-engine-common-ext says not installed! Jan 06 18:38:00 trumee: it's integrated into the core packages Jan 06 18:38:05 instead of being its own package Jan 06 18:38:14 lol Jaffa Jan 06 18:38:20 timeless_mbp: ah right. ok so how do i edit the password for a domain? Jan 06 18:38:29 you need to load the right chrome: url Jan 06 18:38:35 trumee: got firefox + dom inspector? Jan 06 18:38:40 (That's the easy way to find it) Jan 06 18:38:55 timeless_mbp: i dont have firefox installed on N900 Jan 06 18:39:07 trumee: desktop Jan 06 18:39:23 running domi on the n900 would be amusing Jan 06 18:39:29 Sorry for a generalquestion, but what program should I use to transcode video for Nokia 5800? Jan 06 18:39:32 timeless_mbp: yup, do have firefox installed on the desktop. Jan 06 18:39:49 trumee: install dom inspector Jan 06 18:39:53 then open dom inspector Jan 06 18:39:57 then open the password manage Jan 06 18:39:57 hmm RST38h, well do you know what format it needs to be in? Jan 06 18:40:05 in dom inspector, inspect chrome winndow > password manager Jan 06 18:40:18 the location bar will tell you the url you need to load in your microb Jan 06 18:41:28 timeless_mbp: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6622/ Jan 06 18:41:31 RST38h: whats the source format Jan 06 18:41:59 timeless_mbp: i dont have a password manager in Dom inspector Jan 06 18:42:04 excuseme for disturbing you, but i am sitting next to a friend of mine wich has an ibay account and evrything you know, and i am to confused to dicide wich accumulator i should take for MY BABY .... idont want to HURT IT you know ;P ... the n900 is somehow IMPORTANT to me and thats why i did not order just the first thing i saw at ebay/amazon ... but on the nokia-uk-shop - and idid not find the german one - the bl5j kosts 29 po Jan 06 18:42:04 unds ... and thats like nearly 40 euros AND THAT IS TO MUCH ithink ... please help me :( Jan 06 18:42:10 domi is an addon Jan 06 18:42:38 trumee: password manager is somewhere in options in firefox Jan 06 18:42:39 by the way the 27c3 lectures are all online, all accessible via one directory, in video or audio format Jan 06 18:42:49 once you get to the window through options, then you inspect it in domi Jan 06 18:42:55 domi lets you inspect any open window Jan 06 18:42:57 i volunteer to do that for any conference Jan 06 18:43:04 Aderlass: not sure what nokia uk shop you're looking at, but at nokia UK a bl5j is £19, not £29 Jan 06 18:43:27 but, delivery from the uk will probably not be overly cheap Jan 06 18:43:27 jeah but with shipping 29 ! Jan 06 18:43:42 10pounds for shipping Jan 06 18:44:08 ok 4 normal 10 express Jan 06 18:44:23 Hi all ! Jan 06 18:44:31 timeless_mbp: Preferences>Security>Saved Passwords. Is that password manager? Jan 06 18:44:37 yeah Jan 06 18:44:50 please someone Jan 06 18:44:51 I hate to state the obvious, but why not just walk into a real genuine physical shop and buy a nokia battery in a clearly labelled pack? Jan 06 18:44:54 :) help Jan 06 18:44:56 !!! Jan 06 18:45:04 Someone have already use twitpic ? Is it normal that image aren't automatically tweeted to your timeline ? Jan 06 18:45:04 im sure media markt must sell them, and im sure germany must have phone shops Jan 06 18:45:07 what bl5j should i take formy n900 Jan 06 18:45:08 ???? Jan 06 18:45:10 timeless_mbp: ok it is showing the passwords for all the domains, now what? Jan 06 18:45:19 trumee: open dom inspector Jan 06 18:45:42 timeless_mbp: do i first browse to the domain i want to change? Jan 06 18:45:48 no Jan 06 18:45:55 all you need is the url of the window Jan 06 18:45:58 the chrome window Jan 06 18:46:23 timeless_mdp : grrr do not talk about dom inspector ... lost 2 hours to understand a stupid html/css bug i ve ... Jan 06 18:46:45 timeless_mbp: i cant get to the addons until i close the password manager Jan 06 18:47:00 trumee: that's why you open domi first! Jan 06 18:47:23 it s a real pain this javascript / html / css things .... and worse nokia is pushing for qml Jan 06 18:47:24 :) Jan 06 18:47:32 * timeless_mbp kicks safari for being stupid Jan 06 18:47:57 * Khertan kick qml for the pain to do interface ! Jan 06 18:48:09 timeless_mbp: ok, i have domi and password manager open Jan 06 18:48:11 :) Jan 06 18:48:29 trumee: now go back to domi and in the file menu select inspect chrome window Jan 06 18:48:34 and select the password manager window Jan 06 18:48:48 hihi Jan 06 18:48:58 Khertan: what you interfacing qml with? Jan 06 18:50:04 timeless_mbp: i get this chrome://passwordmgr/content/passwordManager.xul Jan 06 18:50:33 i ve try to remake khweeteur with qml Jan 06 18:50:41 trumee: right, that's what you enter into microb Jan 06 18:50:43 Ah Jan 06 18:50:50 timeless_mbp: ok. let me try Jan 06 18:50:59 Yes, I remember you mentioning this a few weeks ago or so. Jan 06 18:51:15 If you need any help with anything I'm always here ;) Jan 06 18:52:57 timeless_mbp: nice one. thanks! Jan 06 18:53:43 re Jan 06 18:53:45 timeout Jan 06 18:54:07 how did you made a menu ? is it possible ? Jan 06 18:54:12 or use qwidget ? Jan 06 18:54:56 ~ping Jan 06 18:54:56 ~pong Jan 06 18:56:43 Someone know if posting a picture to twitpic should result in a tweet creation in the timeline or not ? As picture is posted but no tweet appear in my timeline Jan 06 18:56:52 and as i m just starting implementation Jan 06 18:56:56 :) Jan 06 18:57:45 Khertan_: a menu system you'd have to come up with yourself. Jan 06 18:58:32 Though what I'd do is write a Qt container app, which integrates with maemo/meego, that displays your QML canvas. Jan 06 18:58:45 alterego ... hum so ... useless ... Jan 06 18:59:14 i already have something portable that work on desktop, maemo, meego Jan 06 18:59:18 with qwidget Jan 06 18:59:22 That way you can use normal Qt/QtMaemo dialogs/buttons/widgets on a layer ontop of your main QML interface. Jan 06 18:59:34 Oh right, so what's the QML for? Jan 06 19:00:32 just because nokia qt guys say that meego nokia style could maybe apply just to qml and not qwidget for handset ux Jan 06 19:00:47 so they force dev to use qml Jan 06 19:00:52 no choice Jan 06 19:03:39 That's not going to happen. Jan 06 19:06:20 alterego: read the meego mailing list it ll happen Jan 06 19:06:46 and as cylon said : and will happen again Jan 06 19:07:58 Heh Jan 06 19:08:47 * khertan is now tunneling irc via home Jan 06 19:08:56 * khertan hope it ll be more stable Jan 06 19:09:23 ~sni Jan 06 19:09:23 from memory, sni is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication Jan 06 19:13:19 khertan, post specific links when making bold statements Jan 06 19:13:30 randomly pointing to ML doesn't help people in future Jan 06 19:16:39 lcuk : true Jan 06 19:18:22 QML is fine for quite a few things but you'll always need to use Qt to do anything complex. That's just the nature of QML development. Jan 06 19:18:43 You can't do anything exciting without custom widgets in any Qt app. Jan 06 19:19:02 will be hard as isp blocking imap on my n900 but will try Jan 06 19:19:06 Let alone a QML one. Jan 06 19:19:06 http://www.mail-archive.com/meego-dev@meego.com/msg07365.html Jan 06 19:20:09 but anyway qml is a nice addon for javascript fan Jan 06 19:20:39 QML is great, but QML is pretty usless without Qt Jan 06 19:22:33 The idea of QML is for designers to do their job whilst developers write the custom widgets and application code in Qt/C++ Jan 06 19:23:23 like edje Jan 06 19:23:37 yep it s a nice add for large team Jan 06 19:23:50 Of course it's possible to write full albeit thin apps in nothing but QML and JS. Jan 06 19:24:41 Anyway, this is why QML wont replace QtGui, It'll just transform what we already do. Jan 06 19:25:52 just hope ... i didn t understand thing like that from the ml link i post Jan 06 19:27:32 Yeah, this is the problem with these types of medium, mailing lists, blog posts, whatever, they can so easily be taken out of their intended context, maybe because the author presumes the readers know what they're reading about :) Jan 06 19:31:16 But I've been following Qt, MTF and QtQuick/QML a lot and sure declarative UIs are the future as far as Qt, but we'll always have thhe C++ side of things to properly lay a foundation for the apps. Jan 06 19:32:02 MTF is a bit of a joke, but I still quite like it. Jan 06 20:02:46 does n900 support CSD and HSCSD? Jan 06 20:04:31 jacekowski: it seems to have hscsd Jan 06 20:22:44 drop.maemo.org doesn't seem to be accepting my ssh public key for package uploads Jan 06 20:23:21 show your key Jan 06 20:23:26 how you tpe it Jan 06 20:23:33 type Jan 06 20:23:39 public part of course Jan 06 20:26:03 k one sec Jan 06 20:26:43 ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAADAQABAAABAQDRbfwndum46/ip3ipfC+tqzvoowrun1qPLZ1wj2/oO7GR7enbW+vI4K1PhKt3svEQBFlePDEmu0+CUjgM6QZzcui5orWYU9X9NngXP3okXGqziDZQXPCzROs+P+P+A/AmvXPdtC7Z/AFpLGJVTdUeymcMe7Nq4tQ/iwrkYbM8vDt5xT+zgczSm+czCSMywb0NImIBQM2B6D1FwZBXhXNWn/Zm+LTdY7mjTEV+c61ioh3is67rfJ5YYqEoxCexAXggCELa3Lty1h5XvG3BaUmtaQ2H1d6Hv6UbA0UuFsX7zqi6N80p3IYHhawiym58/3cQYRscCfppIYTBxYG+qW8P3 EliasWoods@gmail.com Jan 06 20:27:14 Am I allowed only one public key pair? I ahve 3 set up Jan 06 20:27:26 on my garage account Jan 06 20:28:06 nope Jan 06 20:28:12 it should work Jan 06 20:28:17 one per line Jan 06 20:28:18 :( Jan 06 20:28:38 let me be safe and use only that one key anyway Jan 06 20:28:52 and you have to wait like 15 minutes Jan 06 20:28:56 for it to update Jan 06 20:29:16 ah well its been at least 24 hours Jan 06 20:29:23 since I added my key Jan 06 20:30:29 also this is a bit odd Jan 06 20:30:30 then you're doing it wrong Jan 06 20:30:33 2011-01-06 22:08:01] Processing package groove 0.4-13. Uploader: dotblank, builder: builder1 Jan 06 20:30:33 [2011-01-06 22:08:04] Unexpected error: Jan 06 20:30:33 OSError'>: [Errno 5] Input/output error: '/mnt/builder/fremantle/groove_0.4-13' Jan 06 20:31:13 but then it says the package built fine Jan 06 20:31:15 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/groove_0.4-13/ Jan 06 20:31:34 (I uploaded it throught the extras assistant) Jan 06 20:46:39 how do i get git 1.7 on my n900? Jan 06 20:47:20 i am an advanced linux user and a new owner of an n900 (but I am only familar with rpm based distros) Jan 06 20:48:02 saLOUt: i don't know; i think maybe the latest version of the package is 1.6.6 Jan 06 20:48:53 BCMM: and how would i install that version? Jan 06 20:49:04 saLOUt: apt-get install git-core, from memory Jan 06 20:49:19 i'll just check that that's what the package i have is called Jan 06 20:49:25 BCMM: do i need gainroot for that? Jan 06 20:49:33 that would be nice. Jan 06 20:49:55 git-core, you need root obviously Jan 06 20:50:03 saLOUt: i think sudo is configured to allow use of apt-get Jan 06 20:50:06 could be wrong Jan 06 20:50:57 saLOUt: "sudo apt-get install git-core" may work, but you're bound to want gainroot at some point anyway Jan 06 20:51:32 saLOUt: oh, and you'll need to make sure HAM is closed. only one package-manager instance can do stuff at once Jan 06 20:52:15 no Jan 06 20:52:24 sudo is configured to allow apt-worker Jan 06 20:52:30 different things Jan 06 20:53:29 how can i upscale the font in the inbuild browser or firefox? Jan 06 20:54:39 with sense Jan 06 20:54:46 i.e open options and adjust view Jan 06 20:55:19 MohammadAG: sense? Jan 06 20:55:26 do you mean in firefox? Jan 06 20:55:39 was it hard to figure out it was in options? :P Jan 06 21:00:01 alterego, is the thing about QWidget not being styled true? Jan 06 21:01:33 which ssh app do i have to install to access the n900 via ssh? Jan 06 21:01:45 openssh-server Jan 06 21:03:40 MohammadAG: i have a question to you Jan 06 21:03:52 MohammadAG: do you eat pork and that sort of food? Jan 06 21:04:00 nah Jan 06 21:04:26 because it's not halal or some other reason? Jan 06 21:04:39 nope, just that Jan 06 21:05:48 jacekowski, random question heh Jan 06 21:06:03 nah, i've seen video on one of polish sites Jan 06 21:06:15 where some bloke went berserk after he was asked if they have bacon Jan 06 21:06:27 and that was in kfc or something Jan 06 21:07:25 if I found something had pork, I'd be like meh Jan 06 21:07:41 jacekowski, do you know how to use IDA pro? Jan 06 21:07:49 yes Jan 06 21:08:10 jacekowski, can you help someone out please? Jan 06 21:08:14 who Jan 06 21:08:17 where Jan 06 21:08:25 and what is a problem Jan 06 21:08:26 sec Jan 06 21:08:41 you missed how, why, and when :( Jan 06 21:08:47 jacekowski, idk, never used it and he's been asking for help all day :) Jan 06 21:08:58 jacekowski, sec, i'll ask him to join freenode Jan 06 21:10:09 what help do you need with ida? Jan 06 21:11:28 jacekowski, him ^ Jan 06 21:11:34 RST38h, i don't :) Jan 06 21:11:43 MohammadAG: morninh Jan 06 21:11:46 morning* Jan 06 21:11:46 ah ok Jan 06 21:12:36 D: Jan 06 21:13:59 Matt`: hmm, so what is your problem? Jan 06 21:14:19 jacekowski, err, morning? lol Jan 06 21:14:32 it's always morning in here Jan 06 21:16:28 universal greeting time after all :) Jan 06 21:16:32 mornin' all Jan 06 21:16:44 hey johnx Jan 06 21:17:22 * lardman uses non-time-related universal greeting :) Jan 06 21:17:36 and a universal greeting to you, lardman Jan 06 21:17:47 likewise MrBawb :) Jan 06 21:17:48 lardman, but that's cheating :P Jan 06 21:18:14 I've been found out! Jan 06 21:23:33 Jimmy Wales has got his money but is still plaguing Wiki readers Jan 06 21:25:44 lol Jan 06 21:30:03 Uh i got a strange error with QFileDialog : any advice : /home/user/MyDocs/Projects/khweeteur/khweeteur/__init__.py:1276: Warning: /home/bifh4/fremantle-arm-fremantle1.2.cs2007q3/work/glib2.0-2.20.3/gobject/gsignal.c:2387: instance `0x7330d0' has no handler with id `555' sys.exit(Khweeteur().exec_()) Jan 06 21:31:07 what's the code? Jan 06 21:31:25 1276 lines in python, oh my :P Jan 06 21:31:57 the 1276 is sys.exit Jan 06 21:32:00 :) Jan 06 21:32:24 don t understand why it print that as app didn t quit Jan 06 21:32:56 i think this is due the .exec_() Jan 06 21:34:22 how can i set my maemo to open epub files with fbreader by default? Jan 06 21:34:38 /home/user/MyDocs/Projects/khweeteur/khweeteur/__init__.py:1061: Warning: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed Jan 06 21:34:44 lol Jan 06 21:34:57 i m sure i m missing something trivial Jan 06 21:39:27 how do i know the n900 unix user password. I need it for ssh Jan 06 21:40:08 login as root using the password you set Jan 06 21:40:11 passwd user Jan 06 21:40:22 user does not have a password normally Jan 06 21:47:04 no, use SSH keys Jan 06 21:48:29 or, yes, that Jan 06 22:04:03 BCMM: with keys doesn't work. I'll get an debug3: no such identity error Jan 06 22:05:12 with root user, public key login works. I just copied the .ssh folder over to ~user and changed the owner/group of these files Jan 06 22:19:25 It doesn't work unless you set a password Jan 06 22:19:27 I dunno why Jan 06 22:19:31 keys work then Jan 06 22:20:32 i was wondering why my keys didn't work... Jan 06 22:20:34 hey please tell me how to export the path variable in unix bash shell, so that it persists Jan 06 22:21:02 njain: what do you mean by "persists"? so it is set next time you start the shell? Jan 06 22:21:07 you need to save it in a profile, or other startup script Jan 06 22:21:10 yes Jan 06 22:21:20 njain: .bashrc Jan 06 22:21:22 i have tried setting it in .bashrc Jan 06 22:21:41 but doesn't shows up in echo $PATH Jan 06 22:21:46 the changes Jan 06 22:21:48 :( Jan 06 22:22:09 also tried changing /etc/environment Jan 06 22:22:22 probably because there is no .bash_profile Jan 06 22:22:27 and tried creating a new ./bash_profile Jan 06 22:22:52 i could be wrong, but i think it i usually up to .bash_profile to execute .bashrc (not sure why) Jan 06 22:23:24 there isn't any .bash_profile Jan 06 22:23:30 otherwise Jan 06 22:23:44 i created it just to put the new PATH variable Jan 06 22:24:28 SpeedEvil: is it a bad idea to set a pass for user, btw? wondering why it's been made difficult Jan 06 22:24:41 BCCM: yes, you are correct .bash_profile decides to execute .bashrc... Jan 06 22:24:48 read somewhere Jan 06 22:25:08 BCMM: where in .bashrc? Jan 06 22:25:14 BCMM: Add a "*" in the password field - that should work Jan 06 22:25:16 i am adding it in the end Jan 06 22:25:49 SpeedEvil: in /etc/passwd? Jan 06 22:26:42 yes Jan 06 22:27:12 SpeedEvil: and that permits the use of SSH keys? Jan 06 22:27:19 so what do * and ! mean anyway? Jan 06 22:27:31 ! isn't mentioned in the passwd man page, and * isn't explained Jan 06 22:27:46 * means a password value that hashes to * Jan 06 22:27:55 And no password values hash to * Jan 06 22:28:05 From memory, ! means 'no login' Jan 06 22:29:22 ah, so * is simply an illegal hash Jan 06 22:30:00 the ultimate hard-to-guess password :) Jan 06 22:30:29 yes Jan 06 22:30:37 This is from memory though. Jan 06 22:30:42 Please check. Jan 06 22:30:46 hey, adding the export PATH statement at the top of .bashrc worked Jan 06 22:30:50 thanks! Jan 06 22:30:50 I am suffering parity errors. Jan 06 22:31:41 huh, that's an odd /etc/passwd Jan 06 22:31:56 why is it shit slow to grab images in modest? Jan 06 22:32:20 i mean, why is user no-logon, and why is it 29999 when 1000 would be traditional? Jan 06 22:35:37 thanks, my SSH keys works now Jan 06 22:36:25 :) Jan 06 22:37:17 thing is, i know it worked before (before 1.3 maybe?), and i know i never manually edited /etc/passwd before Jan 06 22:38:05 also, it gives the most uninformative error: "Permission denied (publickey).", which usually happens if i don't have an authorised key Jan 06 22:38:59 hum if i do a from PyQt4.QtGui import * QFileDialog works ... but not if i do a from PyQt4.QtGui import QFileDialog Jan 06 22:40:35 ssh has stupid errors Jan 06 22:42:16 SpeedEvil: Qt too :) Jan 06 22:42:30 khertan, file a bug? Jan 06 22:42:44 Python* :P Jan 06 22:42:56 well, now i think about it, the protocol probably insures that the client knows as little as possible about the reasons for a failure, for security reasons Jan 06 22:43:16 [106079.472290] pvr: hildon-desktop: cleaning up 103 unfreed resources Jan 06 22:43:18 hmm Jan 06 22:44:32 MohammadAG: i ll probably do ... but before need to write a sample case Jan 06 22:44:44 and the sample case is working Jan 06 22:44:58 don't you hate it when that happens :P Jan 06 22:45:08 so probably more complex Jan 06 22:45:22 as it display gobject error Jan 06 22:45:28 I think my device's dying Jan 06 22:45:36 [100662.680511] HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered Jan 06 22:46:07 i think an other import is the problem Jan 06 22:46:25 MohammadAG: ouch ... indeed ... doesn t look good Jan 06 22:46:56 khertan, it happens on all devices, and usually (99% of the time), the device recovers and only shows a couple frame drops Jan 06 22:47:09 a reboot always fixes it, but it's annoying Jan 06 22:47:22 * MohammadAG looks for things to blame Jan 06 22:47:25 bug 9150 Jan 06 22:47:27 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/9150 Device doesn't respond via UI. syslog reports HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered, sgx_misr eating all CPU Jan 06 22:47:29 MeeGo SGX driver will do for now Jan 06 22:47:37 SpeedEvil, no SGX_Miser Jan 06 22:47:48 CPU load is 0.00 Jan 06 22:47:52 but the screen was blank Jan 06 22:47:55 mine have some strange wifi problem which believe to be connected but isn't [28470.121276] wlan0: roaming signal from driver, sending HIGHSIGNAL Jan 06 22:47:58 [28483.204223] wlan0: roaming signal from driver, sending LOWSIGNAL Jan 06 22:48:04 yeah - read the comments to that bug Jan 06 22:48:09 shows here too Jan 06 22:48:14 there are a number of bugs Jan 06 22:48:35 Not all eat cpu Jan 06 22:50:35 * alterego hopes mplayer will understand the audio in this video file. Jan 06 22:50:57 No i think i should read a bit QFileDialog source to understand the problem Jan 06 22:52:59 SpeedEvil, 97 comments o_O Jan 06 22:53:08 and by Nokia people Jan 06 22:53:38 mplayer framerate is impressive. Jan 06 22:54:25 Hello. How can I increase desktops? I would like 6-7 desktops. ^^ Jan 06 22:54:34 In maemo frementle. Jan 06 22:54:47 use search, lots of tutorials on tmo Jan 06 22:55:08 alterego, I find gstreamer a lot better for FLVs, no idea why Jan 06 22:55:09 tmo? Jan 06 22:55:15 ~tmo Jan 06 22:55:16 well, tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or too much off-topic, or not ~t-mo Jan 06 22:55:40 heh Jan 06 22:55:43 ~t-mo Jan 06 22:55:44 i heard t-mo is T-Mobile Jan 06 22:55:57 Okay.. Jan 06 22:57:07 SpeedEvil, tor causes microb to crawl, is that normal? Jan 06 22:57:17 I don't use tor. Jan 06 22:57:20 * trumee has never used tor before Jan 06 22:57:28 Also - tor is not fast generally Jan 06 22:57:45 'pings' of several seconds are not uncommon Jan 06 22:58:02 as your data is going through several hops, over what may be contended networks at each step Jan 06 22:58:03 SpeedEvil, ah!. SpeedEvil (~user@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) has Joined #maemo Jan 06 22:58:10 It's a lie. Jan 06 22:58:16 lol Jan 06 22:58:30 right Jan 06 22:58:43 Set by lilo, back in the day, when it was easier for him than editing the table of tor exit nodes, after I ran a tor exit node for a day. Jan 06 22:59:41 hm, how can i x-forward on the n900? :) Jan 06 22:59:45 * trumee reads on tmo that Mediaplayer doesn't use pulseaudio. why? Jan 06 23:00:03 bullcrap, ignore it Jan 06 23:00:11 who's the noob who said that? :P Jan 06 23:00:13 MohammadAG : importing QDirModel fix the problem Jan 06 23:00:17 :) Jan 06 23:00:24 MohammadAG, so it does use pulseaudio? Jan 06 23:00:32 all sound does Jan 06 23:00:37 what doesn't Jan 06 23:00:43 exactly Jan 06 23:00:52 MohammadAG: Most tmo are bullcap Jan 06 23:00:53 MohammadAG: Most tmo are bullcrap Jan 06 23:01:03 the whole n900's soundsystem is based on pulse... Jan 06 23:01:12 you can use the hw directly throguh alsa - but it requires hackery. Jan 06 23:01:13 exactly Jan 06 23:01:18 And none of the stock stuff supports it Jan 06 23:01:23 i can sing there a song about that Jan 06 23:01:32 hmm. there was a thread about Sygic and Mediaplayer unable to use sound together since both use sone libalsa library instead of pulseaudio. Jan 06 23:01:51 khertan: yes, but it shouldn't be bullcrap Jan 06 23:01:54 Yo guys, I am trying to convert some video files to play on my nokia n900. It says it accept mpeg4 so I am using 'ffmpeg -i -vc mpeg4 ' which doesn't work. Any hints ? Jan 06 23:02:01 it might not use pulseaudio directly, but it interfaces with mafw, which interfaces with gstreamer, which interfaces with pulseaudio Jan 06 23:02:17 nszeek: try playing with mplayer? Jan 06 23:02:34 trumee, the mediaplayer doesn't even handle music playback Jan 06 23:02:49 it interfaces with the backend, mafw Jan 06 23:02:58 MohammadAG, will your mediaplayer allow independent volume control? Jan 06 23:02:58 Actually, I've been driving with Sygic, while having Media Player stream internet radio over FM transmitter to my car's radio. Whenever Sygic wanted to say something, media player paused internet radio, sygic voice told me directions, media player resumed radio stream. Jan 06 23:03:03 Venemo_N900: mplayer @ my machine or @ the n900 ? Jan 06 23:03:18 trumee, not really planned, no Jan 06 23:03:34 ShadowJK: yeah, I'd be surprised to find this crap about blocking libalsa to be correct Jan 06 23:04:08 The default alsa device is also pulse :P Jan 06 23:04:11 ShadowJK, i happy for the music to be paused. But i want my music to play louder but sygic instructions to play low. Jan 06 23:04:20 Someone have already use twitpics ? Jan 06 23:04:23 ShadowJK, *am happy Jan 06 23:05:05 ShadowJK, because i play N900 through car stereo and gps instructions get a bit loud. Jan 06 23:05:06 nszeek: on n900 Jan 06 23:06:03 Venemo_N900: Alright. I will try that. Need to get my wireless working here so might be a while =P Jan 06 23:06:43 * DocScrutinizer seems to recall "individual volume per app" being one of the falsely claimed advantages of PA over ALSA Jan 06 23:07:38 windows can do individual volumes :P Jan 06 23:07:46 ALSA can do that Jan 06 23:08:13 even seamlessly Jan 06 23:08:15 MohammadAG, DocScrutinizer, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=591444&postcount=148 Jan 06 23:08:29 uhuh, an URL Jan 06 23:08:46 is that not true? Jan 06 23:09:10 LOL Jan 06 23:09:30 libplayback uses pulseaudio Jan 06 23:09:36 I'm not clicking arbitrary random URLs anymore Jan 06 23:09:37 trumee, wanna check something? Jan 06 23:09:40 stop pulseaudio, and run sygic Jan 06 23:09:51 if it plays audio, it doesn't use PA Jan 06 23:10:03 or you didn't stop pulseaudio properly Jan 06 23:10:18 MohammadAG, right Jan 06 23:10:28 killall -9 pulse* <--- that one should do the trick i guess Jan 06 23:10:47 pasuspender sleep 200 Jan 06 23:11:07 we want it killed! Jan 06 23:11:17 ^^ Jan 06 23:11:28 I want a pony Jan 06 23:11:59 DocScrutinizer: i can get you one :) Jan 06 23:12:03 a pink one? Jan 06 23:12:12 blarg Jan 06 23:12:25 midnight blue, please Jan 06 23:13:10 daylight blue ftw Jan 06 23:13:21 infrared Jan 06 23:13:30 * MohammadAG tried to take an epic picture, the N900 showed the sky as white Jan 06 23:13:33 transparent Jan 06 23:13:34 * MohammadAG was pissed Jan 06 23:13:43 DocScrutinizer, I use bluetooth when filming Jan 06 23:13:48 it works better than IR lighting Jan 06 23:13:54 I read about that on tmo Jan 06 23:14:04 who said lighting? Jan 06 23:14:13 I want an infrared pony! Jan 06 23:14:50 I'm sure you want a pair of eyes that see infrared too Jan 06 23:15:08 of course, you could always overclock your current eyes Jan 06 23:15:10 you're sure I don't have these yet? Jan 06 23:15:28 MohammadAG: but that might involve permanent damage Jan 06 23:15:33 MohammadAG: overclocking is bad Jan 06 23:15:40 x) Jan 06 23:15:44 in fact I can see infrared floodlights of surveilance cams Jan 06 23:15:48 MohammadAG: let's implement USB host mode to his eyes Jan 06 23:15:52 then just get rid of the visible spectrum Jan 06 23:16:09 MohammadAG: then attach an IR camera via usb Jan 06 23:16:10 and use ultrasound with the doppler effect Jan 06 23:18:09 yeah, I can hear ultrasonic too Jan 06 23:18:15 <_trine> no need to do that as we all live in a large hologram already Jan 06 23:19:21 does here anybody know if the n900 supports X-forwarding? Jan 06 23:19:31 yes Jan 06 23:20:02 DocScrutinizer, shhh, you're destablizing the matrix Jan 06 23:20:08 hm, is the warning about "no xauth data" interferering with x-forwarding not working? Jan 06 23:20:31 mikki-kun, I've seen that when doing forwarding on desktops as well Jan 06 23:20:50 are you trying to display apps running on your desktop onto the N900 or the other way around? Jan 06 23:20:59 what does it effectively imply? Jan 06 23:21:24 not sure, really. I think it means that there was no existing xauth data Jan 06 23:21:33 i want to e.g. have openoffice on my n900 which gets started on my server so the n900 won't have to do the whole calculations Jan 06 23:21:47 and also other apps maybe Jan 06 23:21:55 so like having them in the cloud Jan 06 23:22:04 so you're ssh'ing from the N900 to your desktop, then you run openoffice and what does it say? Jan 06 23:22:34 I'm using vnc for this Jan 06 23:22:41 well, it works, but the message is annoying :) Jan 06 23:22:52 aaawww Jan 06 23:22:59 err, the X forwarding works and you're complaining? :P Jan 06 23:23:00 and if it is a bug i shall make a bug report Jan 06 23:23:19 do you have xauth installed on your desktop? Jan 06 23:23:23 johnx: it tells me something about non-existing xauth data the one way, but not the other Jan 06 23:23:40 so if i ssh to the n900 there is no complaint Jan 06 23:23:50 but if i ssh from the n900 there it complains Jan 06 23:24:27 do you have xauth installed on your desktop? < mikki-kun Jan 06 23:24:44 i guess i should have Jan 06 23:24:50 yup Jan 06 23:25:08 in both cases Jan 06 23:25:21 current netbook and also my server Jan 06 23:25:43 then, i dunno. I guess you could submit a bug to your distro if you really wanted to, or ... google for that error message Jan 06 23:26:02 also: kinda surprised at how well openoffice works forwarded ... Jan 06 23:27:22 johnx: the fun just is i am not getting the error when i ssh from netbook to server back and forth Jan 06 23:27:37 just when i and even from both machines to the n900 Jan 06 23:27:49 but from the n900 to either one this error seems to arise Jan 06 23:27:53 i mean warning Jan 06 23:28:19 this? Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding. Jan 06 23:28:34 yes :) Jan 06 23:29:59 i am not sure where the problem now is, is it on the n900 then or my installed xauth on both machines? Jan 06 23:32:49 anyways, google concludes that it's a harmless message triggered because the system wasn't using xauth Jan 06 23:33:07 then i assume it must be on the n900's end Jan 06 23:33:24 now, on the other hand. you likely won't be able to get apps on the N900 to display on your desktop because a bunch of them manually set DISPLAY while starting Jan 06 23:34:12 ahhh, that's why i can't start them on a remote screen Jan 06 23:34:17 i always wondered Jan 06 23:34:19 thanks for that :) Jan 06 23:34:38 some might work, especially 3rd party ones Jan 06 23:34:40 mikki-kun: Well, you might not have xauth installed on the N900 as well Jan 06 23:35:25 indeed, it isn't listed there :o Jan 06 23:37:40 when I asked if you had it on your desktop, I think I misinterpreted where you were seeing the message Jan 06 23:37:43 thanks mate... i assumed it was installed with openssh Jan 06 23:38:37 johnx: no problem :) now i have one more thing resolved :) Jan 06 23:46:54 bah Jan 06 23:46:59 N900 crashed again Jan 06 23:47:30 [ 3613.134674] pvr: hildon-desktop: cleaning up 96 unfreed resources Jan 06 23:47:52 uhhh, tells me nothing tbh Jan 06 23:48:01 are you running a modified hildon-desktop? Jan 06 23:48:37 <_trine> MohammadAG, maybe its the matrix Jan 06 23:48:40 <_trine> :) Jan 06 23:48:44 johnx: i guess he does :) Jan 06 23:48:52 he is searchign for ways to exploit the system! Jan 06 23:48:53 johnx, yes Jan 06 23:49:09 hildon-desktop's dead Jan 06 23:49:26 starting it doesn't work Jan 06 23:49:27 yeah. I'd guess that's why your N900 rebooted Jan 06 23:49:41 it didn't reboot Jan 06 23:49:46 ah. fun times Jan 06 23:49:53 who said it rebooted :P Jan 06 23:49:56 is this normal, or just something you did? Jan 06 23:49:57 you have a recovery boot setup, right? Jan 06 23:50:00 crashing != rebooting Jan 06 23:50:09 no, R&D mode Jan 06 23:50:12 I ASS-U-MEd Jan 06 23:50:31 you got that from friends eh? :P Jan 06 23:57:06 ono johnx Jan 06 23:57:12 m00f rm_work Jan 06 23:57:13 not ASS-U-MEd Jan 06 23:57:25 it freaks me out that MohammadAG is such an awesome guy living in such a horrible place Jan 06 23:58:02 anywho, off now :P didn't realize you did IRC at wor... oh, right, you're off this week Jan 06 23:58:03 horrible? Jan 06 23:58:03 >_> Jan 06 23:58:23 * rm_work waves Jan 06 23:58:33 'later rm_work :D Jan 06 23:58:48 pupnik, what? he lives in New Jersey? Jan 06 23:59:13 It's a jersey thing :P Jan 06 23:59:58 MohammadAG has a hostmask. That means he doesn't have an actual geographical location. Jan 07 00:00:13 BCMM, sooo, he lives on the Internet? Jan 07 00:00:26 no, I live in the matrix Jan 07 00:00:40 Israel Jan 07 00:00:58 Israel is the Matrix...I think that movie makes less sense now ... Jan 07 00:00:58 johnx: well, it's the assumption I make about anyone who cannot be geoiplookuped Jan 07 00:01:30 BCMM, and that makes you unaffiliated. Would you like to become an affiliate? Jan 07 00:02:09 johnx: which mafia are you asking me to join? Jan 07 00:03:10 BCMM, hmm, I think I was going to ask you to join an advertising affiliate network, but I'm not sure that's really different from a mafia ... Jan 07 00:03:16 johnx: if Zion is in the Matrix, you interpreted that film differently from me Jan 07 00:03:33 wrong highlight, sorry Jan 07 00:04:34 no, wait. not wrong highlight. i just need sleep Jan 07 00:05:04 I'm quite awake and still confused :) Jan 07 00:05:27 johnx: it helps if you've seen the stupid matrix sequels Jan 07 00:06:04 no wait, there is a reference in the first film Jan 07 00:06:40 yeah, I saw those. I choose not to think about them overly much though ... Jan 07 00:07:03 good move Jan 07 01:10:52 Is there an easy way to delete contacts with no details? I've removed a skype account and I have loads of empty contacts. Jan 07 01:33:50 FauxFaux: only idea I can think of is the delete-dups application - maybe it can be modified. Or you can get some inspiration from the way it detects and handles duplicate contacts Jan 07 01:35:32 aaah, moment of thinking.... You could export all contacts to vcf, then clean out the empty contacts by sed/awk/grep whatever, delete original database with all contacts, and import the cleaned vcf Jan 07 01:36:09 err s/vcf/vcard/ ? Jan 07 01:44:42 * pahartik would like to upgrade Maemo firmware to R1.3 but package manager does not offer it Jan 07 01:46:16 Probably something from extras-testing or extras-devel installed with package manager or apt-get that conflicts or has disabled automatic os updates.. Jan 07 01:50:58 pahartik: flash it Jan 07 01:51:21 if you never flashed your phone you'r not hardcore enough to use it Jan 07 01:51:25 lol Jan 07 01:51:52 (make a backup first, always a good idea) Jan 07 01:52:06 backups aren't hardcore Jan 07 01:52:17 recovering your data after losing it is Jan 07 01:53:21 Now Playing: Shakira - Underneath Your Clothes Jan 07 01:53:36 jacekowski: I do not have MacOS X 10.5, only MacOS X 10.4... And Flasher 3.5 is not available for PowerPC Linux or SPARC Linux... Jan 07 01:53:50 pahartik: get a real PC Jan 07 01:54:12 what's the meta-package called again.. Jan 07 01:54:31 mp-fremantle-generic-pr Jan 07 01:56:47 Yeah, check if that's installed Jan 07 01:57:00 ShadowJK: And I already removed "kernel-power" to see if it helps... It did not help, so I put it back... Few days later, I tried removing kernel-power and booting with official crippled kernel, still nothing Jan 07 01:57:12 DocScrutinizer: Mmm. Jan 07 01:59:31 ShadowJK: "dpkg --list | grep mp-fremantle" did not find anything Jan 07 02:00:27 try apt-get install it Jan 07 02:01:05 he can't install an older version of it Jan 07 02:01:33 oh, well, that's a problem :-) Jan 07 02:01:53 pahartik: thing is that you have big chances of ending up with something not working Jan 07 02:01:54 not if he fakes it Jan 07 02:01:59 And thus my advice is even harmful. pahartik don't do it! Jan 07 02:04:46 ShadowJK: I did not do it Jan 07 02:09:03 huh, turns out what I thought would be a relatively straightforward video streaming system is actually totally nonexistant :< **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jan 07 02:59:58 2011