**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 07 02:59:58 2011 Jan 07 03:34:12 how is maemo doing? Jan 07 03:37:08 em: dead Jan 07 03:39:28 "luke-jr: maemo is dead. maemo: luke-jr is dead." (with apologies) Jan 07 03:40:56 Maemo isn't God Jan 07 03:43:42 and you aren't Nietzsche Jan 07 04:05:58 Probably doesn't make it less accurate, though. ;) Jan 07 05:55:54 http://xkcd.com/ ++ Jan 07 06:00:58 SpeedEvil: corporate world just skips from spaghetti to "done" Jan 07 06:01:12 free world says screw the requirements :P Jan 07 06:12:34 how do i make call to a foreign country as if its a local phone in n900 Jan 07 06:13:19 you do the same as you normally would with a regular mobile/cell phone? Jan 07 06:13:19 skype? Jan 07 06:13:39 or maybe that using calling cards? Jan 07 06:14:40 there must another way Jan 07 06:14:58 psycho_oreos, i was stood outside a pub and somebody actually asked about an app/extension for mobiles Jan 07 06:15:26 to allow selection and use of contact names during a call to give the tones thing for their number Jan 07 06:15:43 so you can call the country redirect and then pipe in the actual number Jan 07 06:17:34 lcuk, allow what sort of selection? some button or something? I don't quite get you Jan 07 06:20:48 iluminator101: why? N900 isn't a phone. why do you expect some unusual phone function? Jan 07 06:21:07 iluminator101: it's got a basic phone app, nothing complex. Jan 07 06:21:47 psycho_oreos, well normally in a call you can open the dialpad, but you have to know the number Jan 07 06:21:51 luke-jr, i talking about using asterisk Jan 07 06:21:55 when you dial these cheap calls to X countries Jan 07 06:21:59 iluminator101: you didn't say that. Jan 07 06:22:14 it makes sense to allow selection by content Jan 07 06:22:20 to then put the tones into the call Jan 07 06:22:21 :) Jan 07 06:22:22 iluminator101: and if you're calling via SIP, then it totally depends how you've configured your Asterisk PBX to route such calls Jan 07 06:22:29 selection by contact * Jan 07 06:23:18 also my n900 alarm is not annoying enough how can i change it Jan 07 06:23:24 ;p; Jan 07 06:23:25 lol Jan 07 06:24:57 lcuk, still don't quite get it sorry, probably because I'm cranky over trivial things and these trivial matters accumulated into headache Jan 07 09:17:31 is there any screen video capture application for N900? Jan 07 09:17:49 whats the meaning of: /var/lib/dpkg/info/account-plugin-salut.postinst: line 6 /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon: not found dpkg: error processing account-plugin0salut Jan 07 09:48:44 http://upstart.ubuntu.com/index.html -> this pages writes Maemo platform uses upstart, but I do not see any /etc/init/ folder on my N900 ? What do I do wrong ? Jan 07 09:50:58 seems very system-v way instead with /etc/init.d/ scripts. Jan 07 09:52:37 any comment on that ? Jan 07 09:53:39 debian does it that way Jan 07 09:53:51 yes, but it is maemo channel :P Jan 07 09:53:52 i used to be a bsd-guy myself Jan 07 09:54:02 yes, that is the slack, arch way for instance. Jan 07 09:54:05 back when i pwned systems Jan 07 09:54:13 I would just like to get more information about upstrat on maemo. Jan 07 09:54:18 oh Jan 07 09:54:56 * upstart, daemons (fex. udevd) does not run in a shell, but I could do a job for that in /etc/init/, so it is a bit confusing for me right now. Jan 07 09:59:49 grml the files in /home are all that small that 11MB/s is the highest rate I get... Jan 07 10:05:10 it will take ages to make a full backup... Jan 07 10:08:02 Apple's slogan should be "do you have too much money? we can solve that!" Jan 07 10:09:26 apple is like an abusive boyfriend... it tells you what you like, what to buy, and what you should or shouldn't be watching, and wants to track your every move Jan 07 10:10:05 nice Jan 07 10:10:52 glad to laugh at idiot jokes :) Jan 07 10:11:19 what would that be, djszapi Jan 07 10:11:48 I think it is not too late to get out of a troll way =) Jan 07 10:11:53 so let me do it =) Jan 07 10:12:01 i stand by my analogy... the taking your money, and the creepy loyal following that insist apple can do no wrong... it's completely like a abusive relationship Jan 07 10:12:02 :) Jan 07 10:12:49 ieatlint: what about guys who are not creepy but genuinely nuts? Jan 07 10:13:09 they're fired, and then later are re-hired as CEO Jan 07 10:13:55 ieatlint: I like the google strategic game analogy too... Jan 07 10:14:26 google will do anything to make you look at more ads Jan 07 10:14:44 and they're very good at it Jan 07 10:14:48 if the world had been a real time strategy game google would have been the techy and we seriously left him alone for too long! Jan 07 10:15:00 hah, nice Jan 07 10:15:19 techies win the game after PONR Jan 07 10:15:38 their strategy of letting their devs work on their own shirt part time that is then google property is genius Jan 07 10:15:49 blah, their own shit Jan 07 10:16:23 also refered as P0WNER (point of WTF no eeeick return) Jan 07 10:17:02 they drop $70-90k/year on a person (sub-par for the industry), throw some free food and a volleyball court at them, and walk away with your good ideas on top of everything else Jan 07 10:17:29 for sure Jan 07 10:17:55 and the people buy it Jan 07 10:18:29 i'm just bitter, the HR person who did my interview fucked up and sank my referral :P Jan 07 10:19:04 ;) Jan 07 10:19:39 just do the real good shit while not in google time! Jan 07 10:19:44 seriously, the bitch fucked up while reading from her script Jan 07 10:22:10 ieatlint: well, that and the ability to work on really interesting and significant stuff with other people who consider that to be a significant motivator, which is not to be discounted Jan 07 10:22:51 I'm fairly sure I'd consider working with a bunch of people who do it for the money demoting in itself, let alone me. Jan 07 10:23:12 toresbe: i'd argue 70% of their staff are there because when they started they went "holy shit i'm working for google" Jan 07 10:23:25 sounds like a fair assesment Jan 07 10:26:02 my point isn't specifically to criticise google... i think they do pretty well with their "don't be evil" motto, and obviously pretty well at making money Jan 07 10:26:27 and they don't mistreat their employees... more of a comment that they are extremely intelligent at exploiting their employees Jan 07 10:26:42 which i kinda admire :P Jan 07 10:27:21 anyone knows how can i fix the proplem i have with listening music, it stops in middle of songs too often Jan 07 10:27:41 I've started to have this problem recently Jan 07 10:28:07 how to fix this: The following packages have unmet dependencies: libtelepathy-qt4-farsight0: Depends: libtelepathy-qt4-0 (= 0.2.0-2maemo5+0m5) but 0.2.0-2maemo7+0m5 is to be installed Jan 07 10:28:11 I thought it had to do with my headphones + headphone daemon Jan 07 10:28:12 ? Jan 07 10:28:24 but I never debugged/troubleshooted yet Jan 07 10:30:26 flat`: are you listening on headphones Jan 07 10:30:40 flat`: on the headset - ratehr Jan 07 10:32:22 rather* Jan 07 10:32:52 headphones yeah Jan 07 10:34:14 would love to find another music player with EQ Jan 07 10:35:08 headphones! Jan 07 10:35:13 since your talking about it Jan 07 10:35:29 you're Jan 07 10:35:38 hehe Jan 07 10:35:39 heh Jan 07 10:35:54 I have WH-701 headphone Jan 07 10:36:20 is there a script or a coding to make the pause and play work with media player? Jan 07 10:36:37 no, we want an oscilloscope for that Jan 07 10:36:38 bluetooth? Jan 07 10:36:45 obviously not Jan 07 10:36:48 I kind like WH-701 it has a good bass, also it is comfy on my ear Jan 07 10:37:27 flat`: do you got the headphone daemon running? that stops music if the headphones get disconnected Jan 07 10:37:56 Appiah: no Jan 07 10:38:32 ok Jan 07 10:38:41 so what the hell stops the music O_o Jan 07 10:38:45 hehe Jan 07 10:39:04 I was talking a walk yesterday , music stopped 10~ times Jan 07 10:39:06 No codes or script guys? for WH-701? Jan 07 10:39:19 no, do i have to repeat myself again? Jan 07 10:39:39 no you dont. Jan 07 10:39:48 thanks Jan 07 10:39:49 but can it be created? Jan 07 10:39:49 :P Jan 07 10:39:52 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=901210 Jan 07 10:40:03 no, we want an oscilloscope for that Jan 07 10:40:09 yoyo Jan 07 10:40:15 hey dneary Jan 07 10:41:07 osciloscope Jan 07 10:41:12 needs google translate Jan 07 10:41:50 a physics book will also do :P Jan 07 10:42:13 mmm physics? Jan 07 10:42:57 yes, I leanred about oscilloscopes 2 or 3 years ago Jan 07 10:43:09 * phellarv loves a good curve Jan 07 10:43:10 that was 9th/10th grade Jan 07 10:43:14 hehe Jan 07 10:43:40 maybe I know it if I heard it in my language Jan 07 10:43:58 ok ok I can do it dont tell me Jan 07 10:44:07 wait wait dont Jan 07 10:44:34 yay my irc socket is almost done (it works now) all I need to do is create the gui work pretty much for it Jan 07 10:45:06 your what? Jan 07 10:45:09 then there will be a native maemo irc client Jan 07 10:45:22 comawhite, ? Jan 07 10:45:26 ? Jan 07 10:45:27 there... is Jan 07 10:45:29 MohammadAG, how is your media player going? Jan 07 10:45:31 where? Jan 07 10:45:31 xchat is gtk Jan 07 10:45:31 haha Jan 07 10:45:33 there's xchat Jan 07 10:45:37 xchat is not native Jan 07 10:45:43 ...why? Jan 07 10:45:56 doesn't follow any of the HiG? Jan 07 10:46:00 I am really escited, because mms:\\ streaming doesnt work with default player. Jan 07 10:46:12 HiG is gtk Jan 07 10:46:14 comawhite: thankfully! Jan 07 10:46:21 it's just the desktop recompiled for phone Jan 07 10:46:24 MohammadAG, technically its hildon Jan 07 10:46:28 lolloo, video's not yet implemented Jan 07 10:46:39 kerio: well - touch-scrolly window would be nice Jan 07 10:46:46 lolloo: mplayer should work? Jan 07 10:46:59 also does xchat support both view modes like mine will? Jan 07 10:47:08 Appiah, it doesnt. Jan 07 10:47:18 comawhite, please don't let irc wrangling stop you Jan 07 10:47:23 also have a different view for servers, user, channels? Jan 07 10:47:23 * lcuk will test your app also Jan 07 10:47:26 wrangling? Jan 07 10:47:27 mms:\\66.132 etc Jan 07 10:47:32 are you using mms:\\ or mms:// btw? :D Jan 07 10:47:42 mmm let me check again. Jan 07 10:47:45 lcuk: well just idle in #akiirc and I'll let you know when it's up for testing Jan 07 10:47:51 This made me smile: http://twitter.com/disconn3ct/status/23052579894202369 Jan 07 10:48:40 Appiah, mms://66.172.3.142/3 Jan 07 10:48:49 comawhite, nahh Jan 07 10:48:53 try it on mplayer. mine doesnt work. Jan 07 10:48:59 but works on desktop Jan 07 10:49:09 lcuk: okay then just watch for it on the site :> Jan 07 10:49:10 i am happy with xchat but when I am not i just play with my sketching irc client instead Jan 07 10:49:17 SpeedEvil: how will you select text then? Jan 07 10:49:29 Hopefully people will like it Jan 07 10:49:57 connected Jan 07 10:50:06 then I get disconnected (connection refused) Jan 07 10:50:06 comawhite, http://liqbase.net/liq.20091201_141600._maemo.scr.png Jan 07 10:50:16 correct Jan 07 10:50:25 but if you try on desktop it wokrs Jan 07 10:50:37 I have this VOIP http://dialer.webs.com/ but its available for 32 bit system and windows. Is there any way I can extract server and use that information and use it by some way on n900? Jan 07 10:50:56 lcuk: what is that done in? Jan 07 10:51:33 its written in pure awesome Jan 07 10:51:40 seriously Jan 07 10:52:08 yeah, original awesome didn't have enough features, so I rebuilt it with the updated pure awesome Jan 07 10:52:24 Appiah, worked on desktop? Jan 07 10:52:44 comawhite, its a liqbase app Jan 07 10:52:49 kerio: I'd be happy with only movement >1 line/second at the start of the stroke doing the kinetic thing Jan 07 10:53:00 liqbase? Jan 07 10:53:17 * lcuk goes back to work Jan 07 10:56:28 lolloo: compare the mplayer versions Jan 07 10:57:01 I used also KMplayer Jan 07 10:57:22 also knots2 Jan 07 10:59:56 kerio: Also - with text selection, I'm almost alwasy wanting to select under 1 line Jan 07 11:03:44 Appiah, btw thanks for the link! it suddenly stopped. Jan 07 11:16:15 morning Jan 07 11:17:05 afternoon Jan 07 11:17:58 hi lolloo Jan 07 11:19:18 hi lardman Jan 07 12:00:53 kerio: *I* would hold shiftkey to select text. Well that's just me Jan 07 12:01:30 Anyone using ICQ on N900 ? Jan 07 12:01:42 I have all updates (1.3 i think). Jan 07 12:01:48 And can't connect to ICQ. Jan 07 12:02:43 Don't know how to setup it. Number and password is ok. Jan 07 12:02:46 kerio: another suggestion I gave months ago was: enter scroll mode on initial movement vertical, enter highlight mode on initial movement horizontal Jan 07 12:04:03 retro|cz, do you use pidgin? Jan 07 12:04:19 for xchat I'm rather happy with my keybindings: up/down == scroll Jan 07 12:04:39 me shift + up or down Jan 07 12:04:47 shift-up/down == textinput history Jan 07 12:05:05 mmm better, Jan 07 12:05:18 DocScrutinizer: suggestion for which device/app? Jan 07 12:05:57 lolloo, no, just those extra protocols Jan 07 12:06:01 sivang: generic suggestion for finger scrolling in textboxes Jan 07 12:06:06 lolloo, i like that mobile integration Jan 07 12:06:32 lolloo, pidgin is standalone application ? Jan 07 12:06:41 lolloo, without contacts integration ? Jan 07 12:06:42 yeah Jan 07 12:06:48 lolloo, :( Jan 07 12:06:50 yeah Jan 07 12:06:51 hehe Jan 07 12:07:10 lolloo, and no chance to use ICQ with contacts integration now ? Jan 07 12:07:21 no there is a chance. Jan 07 12:07:36 I tried it on PR1.2 Jan 07 12:07:55 worked, but I will try it on pr1.3. Jan 07 12:11:05 DocScrutinizer: such that items will not get accidently pressed whe you really just want to scroll ? :-p Jan 07 12:12:42 lolloo, thank you Jan 07 12:13:23 sivang: unrelated to my suggestion Jan 07 12:13:41 lolloo, http://www.devcomments.com/N900-AIM-and-ICQ-account-problems-i26437.htm Jan 07 12:13:52 DocScrutinizer: ok, I've bentring to thinkg of a solution to that so thought you might be experiencing the same Jan 07 12:14:08 I do Jan 07 12:14:21 lolloo, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=461439#post461439 Jan 07 12:14:28 it is really annoying lately, especially when our contact list gets so buig Jan 07 12:14:47 I even changed my start menu to doubleclick on other phones Jan 07 12:14:56 retro|cz, seems correct since it worked on PR1.2 Jan 07 12:15:15 but watchout it might break other accounts. Jan 07 12:15:48 DocScrutinizer: != N900? Jan 07 12:16:43 sivang: SHR (on FR back when) - so the problem is quite universal and well known Jan 07 12:17:49 DocScrutinizer: what's SHR and FR? Jan 07 12:18:12 sivang: and I blame developers using their desktop and mouse to simulate the phone touchscreen Jan 07 12:18:36 ~shr Jan 07 12:18:36 i guess shr is The Stable Hybrid Release (SHR), intended to be a community driven distribution composed of the FSO and some basic applications, that can be configured to use several different graphical toolkits, for example GTK or EFL. SHR is based on the FSO build. At first, SHR was introduced in order to use the Openmoko2007.2 GTK software in combination with the new FSO, but things have changed. Jan 07 12:19:56 ~FSO Jan 07 12:19:57 from memory, fso is the freesmartphone.org mobile devices middleware. Jan 07 12:20:27 ~efl Jan 07 12:20:28 it has been said that efl is the Enlightenment Foundation Libraries. See http://enlightenment.org/index.php?id=18 The core libraries of the EFL are: Evas, Ecore, EET, Embryo, Edje, Esmart, EWL, and ETK. Jan 07 12:20:46 lolloo, that forums solution to downgrade is working Jan 07 12:21:10 DocScrutinizer: good note to reember, use the actual ophone for the testing Jan 07 12:21:37 retro|cz, congratz! and nice find! Jan 07 12:22:00 ~bot snack Jan 07 12:22:01 sivang: ofono? Jan 07 12:22:01 aw, gee, lolloo Jan 07 12:22:16 sivang: what's ophone? Jan 07 12:23:06 DocScrutinizer: sorry the phone Jan 07 12:23:32 I am opn 3Gdata, onto my ssh session Jan 07 12:23:46 in the uk Jan 07 12:23:46 I'm in a train in Israel Jan 07 12:23:55 let's hope it does not burst into fames :) Jan 07 12:25:53 http://www.vosizneias.com/72049/2010/12/28/israel-train-catches-fire-in-sharon-passengers-injured-jumping-from-train/ Jan 07 12:26:14 sivang: aah yes. Alas raster when working on E* never does Jan 07 12:26:21 or rarely Jan 07 12:27:02 DocScrutinizer: could you put the last sentence in stupid's english, as it seems too high for me :) Jan 07 12:27:27 DocScrutinizer: well, alas is the denote a contrast, working on E* ? Jan 07 12:27:58 raster (Casrten haizler, the rasterman) never develops Enlightenment and related EFL on a phone Jan 07 12:27:59 *to Jan 07 12:28:09 if it weren't for raster being in that sentence, i'd have assumed E meant something else Jan 07 12:28:11 ah, I see Jan 07 12:29:05 wat phones carry SHR? Jan 07 12:29:36 Neo FR, Palm pre, some HTC?, N900 Jan 07 12:29:50 palm pre? huh Jan 07 12:29:58 with the radio working even? Jan 07 12:30:06 no idea Jan 07 12:32:41 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywkWbb_BetI&feature=related Jan 07 12:36:08 ah... old memories there Jan 07 12:36:43 definitely better there than on the old FR Jan 07 12:37:39 :-) yeah Jan 07 12:37:40 hi all Jan 07 12:38:14 a little off-topic, but I'm compiling libhildon 1.99 for my laptop Jan 07 12:38:27 Dont maemo support voice call throug msn? Jan 07 12:38:42 the compiler complains that it can't find the symbol HILDON_GTK_INPUT_MODE_NUMERIC, Jan 07 12:39:10 * sivang dreams of adding support to fmxtd to prove for available bands Jan 07 12:39:15 hildon desktop on laptop? Jan 07 12:39:22 o.O Jan 07 12:39:44 Does it support voice with msn? Jan 07 12:39:51 DocScrutinizer: yeah, in fact I'm trying to fire up a hildon application only available in binary Jan 07 12:40:19 that's probably a bit of a task Jan 07 12:40:42 lolcat, I dont think so Jan 07 12:40:52 * ieatlint notes that the sdk includes an x86 binary for libhildon Jan 07 12:41:07 I wonder however which hildon app is available as x86(!!!) binary only Jan 07 12:41:49 doesn't make any sense to me Jan 07 12:41:51 * sivang2 wished he recalled where are the links for the spec sheet and other important infof or the fmxtd to tryt to make it work Jan 07 12:42:07 I think SpeedEvil sent it to me Jan 07 12:42:21 sivang2: wiki, hardware Jan 07 12:42:37 DocScrutinizer: some obscure Chinese thing Jan 07 12:42:45 DocScrutinizer: k, thanks Jan 07 12:42:52 sivang2: speedevil did an amazing job to document it all there Jan 07 12:43:02 DocScrutinizer: it was for a television box based on libhildon, I think Jan 07 12:43:12 o.O Jan 07 12:44:31 DocScrutinizer: I wonder if I'm smart enough to pull this hadware hacking thingo Jan 07 12:44:32 I'll start by reading the spec, for sure or docs there Jan 07 12:46:19 sivang2: wait a few minutes. I probably have a different even better working approach for you. You may use it if you mention my (c) of original idea Jan 07 12:46:39 I will think another few minutes about it, so I don't tell BS Jan 07 12:49:04 DocScrutinizer: seems solved, --with-maemo-gtk=no Jan 07 12:49:16 DocScrutinizer: ofcourse. Jan 07 12:49:48 sivang2: your usecase: find a free frequency in FM broadcast band to pair N900 to a radio receiver ? Jan 07 12:49:59 DocScrutinizer: but keep in mind I am on this terrible 3G,and my net can go off any minute without warning. Jan 07 12:50:06 DocScrutinizer: precisly Jan 07 12:50:31 DocScrutinizer: that's what I want to do, because in IL bands are abused massively by pirate radio stations Jan 07 12:50:35 I may edit some wikipage, so you can access my concept sketch any time Jan 07 12:51:44 DocScrutinizer: so it is like an hour to find a fre band to pair the N900 to liten to finnish radio statiuons Jan 07 12:52:09 sivang2: I see Jan 07 12:52:43 thanks for giving this additional info Jan 07 12:52:45 DocScrutinizer: well, to stream them off 3G data which works beautifully to the fm Jan 07 12:52:49 DocScrutinizer: hehe Jan 07 12:53:02 DocScrutinizer: well, would it help if I'd say it save lives?:) Jan 07 12:53:11 not really Jan 07 12:53:23 I'm strictly authistic EE Jan 07 12:53:52 DocScrutinizer: I also listen Hungarian and some Germen ones :) Jan 07 12:54:04 means I'm designing tasers and defibrilators :-P Jan 07 12:55:27 ooh, i want a taser Jan 07 12:55:29 as long as it has no potential for mass destruction or big-brother mass deployment, I don't care if it safes life or is for porn Jan 07 12:56:01 DocScrutinizer: heh, okay, I thought you were being sarcastic as in "TMI" for the fact I use it for my language fetsh Jan 07 12:56:03 saves* Jan 07 12:56:06 fetish Jan 07 12:56:24 DocScrutinizer: what's authistic EE ? Jan 07 12:56:47 ~dict autism Jan 07 12:56:50 Dictionary 'autism' (1 of 3): (psychiatry) an abnormal absorption with the self; marked by communication disorders and short attention span and inability to treat others as people. Jan 07 12:57:07 DocScrutinizer: and EE? Jan 07 12:57:12 you're not autistic :P Jan 07 12:57:18 Electroniccs Engineer Jan 07 12:58:13 aspergers maybe, dunno you well enough... but i've had to spend time with an actual autistic EE, and he uh... yeah.... and was even considered a high functioning autistic Jan 07 12:58:17 DocScrutinizer: I see, I actually found that aspreger describes some of my behaviors and other life views :) Jan 07 12:58:18 "Where the hell is Qt apps?" urgh Jan 07 12:58:40 Sometimes it'd just be nice to tell people to fsck off :D Jan 07 12:58:41 alterego: how's that related to that channel? :) Jan 07 12:58:42 sivang2: then you know what I meant Jan 07 12:59:59 DocScrutinizer: indeed :) anyway thanks for your help and if something gets out of it you'd be in the credits, just as in the FEA where I even added you latest comments Jan 07 13:00:22 yw Jan 07 13:00:46 is maemo still active or is it meego now? Jan 07 13:01:01 em: yes Jan 07 13:01:13 Maemo is still pretty active Jan 07 13:01:23 so it's a yes Jan 07 13:01:34 sivang2: additional question: what does the channel sound like - on radio -that is usable for pairing the N900, when N900 does not TX? Jan 07 13:05:36 em: my cpu load quite frequently hits the 95%, so yes - maemo is very active Jan 07 13:06:48 DocScrutinizer: you mean, if it has no signal snow or slient altogether? Jan 07 13:06:55 yes Jan 07 13:07:22 hmm 4 cores running with an average of 12%, crappy commercial simulation code, should be pegged at 100% and running faster Jan 07 13:07:24 DocScrutinizer: that depends,I've found out that even channels that have a bit of snow on them, will submit to N900's txer Jan 07 13:07:27 * lardman grumbles to himself Jan 07 13:07:41 sivang2: thanks Jan 07 13:07:45 DocScrutinizer: ofcourse clean chanelwith low noise level is best Jan 07 13:08:10 DocScrutinizer: how can I measure the tx streanght that is tillgood to try and subdueD? Jan 07 13:08:43 hard to do Jan 07 13:09:01 ok Jan 07 13:09:07 let's start with what we've go Jan 07 13:09:08 got Jan 07 13:10:02 what re tasers? like the device making the sirens? Jan 07 13:10:16 and other are for bootstraping human hearts rght? Jan 07 13:10:53 sivang2: sure. Nice to see how that works out. But I have systematic concerns against that concept. I'll hack it all up into a supplement to wiki hw pages and point you at it Jan 07 13:11:30 DocScrutinizer: great, thanks. I have no idea how to start so that'd be good. Jan 07 13:11:43 ~taser Jan 07 13:11:43 TASER provides advanced Electronic Control Devices (ECDs) for use in the law enforcement, military, correctional, security, and personal protection markets. TASER devices use proprietary technology to incapacitate dangerous, combative, or high-risk subjects who pose a risk in a manner that is generally recognized as a safer alternative to other uses of force. Jan 07 13:12:37 500kV via 2 wies with arrows Jan 07 13:12:39 hmm, I see. so they give exact measaured electricity shock to just paralize an offender Jan 07 13:12:43 DocScrutinizer: haha Jan 07 13:13:08 there have been fatalities however Jan 07 13:13:09 DocScrutinizer: the web site says something about "proprietary technology, highly advanced" Jan 07 13:13:16 ofcourse- Jan 07 13:13:28 when you're dealing wiht bilological creaturs, non are alike Jan 07 13:13:51 basically a taser and a heart defibrilator are quite similar in what they do ;-D Jan 07 13:14:53 DocScrutinizer: yes, hence it made sense to me with your previous sentence about that you make both Jan 07 13:14:58 that's why I've chosen that example (though I never designed a taser yet, for industry) Jan 07 13:15:20 the problem with taser is that the police was told it's nonlethal so they used on everyone to lower their own risk of being hurt but then nonlethal turned out to be untrue... Jan 07 13:15:42 exactly Jan 07 13:16:32 I always wondered about the injury rate caused by a head falling from ~6' and striking concrete Jan 07 13:16:34 whats wrong with a telescopic baton? Jan 07 13:16:40 also thermo protective wear with a tin foil layer effectively counteracts tasers ;-D Jan 07 13:16:46 flashn: lol Jan 07 13:16:59 and teraherz scanners Jan 07 13:17:02 good ol baton wont kill anyone Jan 07 13:17:13 flashn: depends how you hit them Jan 07 13:17:43 guess you can kill someone with a baby depending on how you use it Jan 07 13:17:50 like it's 1964 Jan 07 13:18:05 flashn: true, batons are probably less prone to failure though Jan 07 13:18:19 less maintenance anyway Jan 07 13:18:56 most importantly its way more manly Jan 07 13:19:01 babies are highly dangerous, when fired with an initial velocity of >200m/s Jan 07 13:20:10 * lardman wonders what this code is actually doing to run so slowly ~12% cpu usage across 4 cores, ~1 IO write per second, ~15MB memory usage Jan 07 13:20:12 even worse when frozen XP Jan 07 13:22:35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHfejwdrMVQ Jan 07 13:23:44 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqsytx5RNmw&feature=related Jan 07 13:24:03 I'll have to wear a plexiglas protective layer along with the tin foil then Jan 07 13:25:02 that's what I was looking for, but they used frozen chicken X-P Jan 07 13:25:45 the chicken even destroyed the pilot seat by a massive impact Jan 07 13:26:12 the F-16 one? Jan 07 13:26:24 was a civil plane iirc Jan 07 13:26:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibJ3aXrvaCs looks bad Jan 07 13:27:03 wasn't the pilot protecting his seat? Jan 07 13:27:04 waiting for myrtii commenting about our drug usage patterns Jan 07 13:27:43 true :) Jan 07 13:27:55 I knew there was a reason it's not all done by remote control now ;) Jan 07 13:28:13 at least with the f35 the HUD wouldn't shatter Jan 07 13:28:15 as there is none Jan 07 13:28:31 in helmet? Jan 07 13:28:36 yeah Jan 07 13:28:41 at least as far as i know Jan 07 13:29:47 also, lol at the sabot'ed chicken in that discovery chan video Jan 07 13:31:53 Hello All Jan 07 13:43:55 'lo khertan Jan 07 13:48:19 * khertan is crying on statusnet for getting help for khweeteur oauth problem some users have Jan 07 13:48:33 with identi.ca Jan 07 13:49:54 * lardman finally emerges from YouTube Jan 07 13:50:03 * khertan still didn't see how oauth can be more secure Jan 07 14:01:58 wow - changing to android really exposes the most major of the maemo flaws Jan 07 14:02:17 no working ota contacts sync Jan 07 14:02:28 Really hope meeg will fix that Jan 07 14:02:53 me too Jan 07 14:02:55 MeeGo has a nice backend for that stuff Jan 07 14:03:03 bbl Jan 07 14:03:38 am currently using my wife's old Android phone while my N900 is dead Jan 07 14:03:56 yeah, work got me a new one Jan 07 14:03:57 is good to see my calendar event immediately synced Jan 07 14:04:03 lardman: uhuh Jan 07 14:04:29 lardman: or how you can change and merge contacts in your webbrowser and insta-sync - voila - they're on your phone Jan 07 14:04:52 yes, I've always said this about Android, it;s very well integrated Jan 07 14:05:10 I'm wondering if it will automatically ask me if I need directions to my appointments too Jan 07 14:06:00 the klind of stuff I'd have loved to add to Maemo, had we realised earlier that no(t many) enhancement requests would be handled Jan 07 14:07:32 yeah Jan 07 14:07:40 the framework was all there (ovi.com) Jan 07 14:07:53 My N900 is in a box somewhere now since I got my Android phone but I haven't given up on Meego yet Jan 07 14:08:08 or even using Google, just that the map and calendar apps and indeed the contacts frontend weren't open Jan 07 14:08:17 but the blasted idiots that are nokia decided that their best phone as the only phone in their roster was going to be the one not to be supported... *HEADEXPLODE* Jan 07 14:08:40 well I could understand that if they got on and released something new Jan 07 14:08:43 andrewfblack: for real? android is super annoying Jan 07 14:09:00 andrewfblack: yeah, meego is obviously promising Jan 07 14:09:04 pupnik: I have things about Android I hate Jan 07 14:09:23 pupnik: I also have things about iOs I hate but I an ipad Jan 07 14:09:47 are you sure you belong in this channel? :) Jan 07 14:10:26 pupnik: not accepting that some other products do things better is silly Jan 07 14:11:01 pupnik: You sometimes wonder why the contacts sync issue is kept sooooo quiet about around here. Jan 07 14:11:02 pupnik: I'm sure I do, I have the box full of Maemo devices to prove it. If we see a Meego tablet I will get it but I'm not going to wait until then I got my iPad, Jan 07 14:11:07 * lardman is tempted to buy an HTC Android phone and install Meego on it Jan 07 14:11:51 i have an android device but for me there are less apps than with maemo Jan 07 14:12:14 and 80% of what i've downloaded is unusably lame Jan 07 14:12:15 To me N900/Maemo = Cool toy to play with, develop on, and see what I can make it do. Backflip/Android = Phone to call people and play games on. Jan 07 14:12:22 for me android it s lack of a good python support :) Jan 07 14:12:38 I'm not bothered about apps, but really about the basic functionality, and Android does look and work reasonably well - something to try to emulate Jan 07 14:13:04 i think meego lack of a good sync of calendar and contact Jan 07 14:13:05 thing is, any device lacks "basic functionality" depending on what your definition of basic functionality is. Jan 07 14:13:07 lardman: there are indeed good ideas in there... i'm glad it is winning vs something like microsoft Jan 07 14:13:09 s/meego/maemo Jan 07 14:13:17 and even apple is *nix based which is also cool Jan 07 14:13:28 pupnik: but totally close Jan 07 14:13:37 pupnik: I'd prefer us to be able to steal the good ideas and make e.g. Meego the dominant platform Jan 07 14:13:55 lardman: how about the fine grained app permissions? Jan 07 14:14:08 I think that is quite a good idea Jan 07 14:14:38 there's a japanese version of that for linux - like SElinux but simpler Jan 07 14:14:52 at the very least it lets you know what the app will do, but isn't it just a case of filling in all the fields manually when you add the app rather than doing real analysis of the useage? Jan 07 14:15:00 http://tomoyo.sourceforge.jp/wiki-e/?WhatIs Jan 07 14:17:09 lardman++ Jan 07 14:17:24 Maemo lacks some very basica and fundamental ... oh PHONE features :) Jan 07 14:17:51 well it was a reasonable start, if only it could have been improved more easily by us Jan 07 14:18:29 and I think the fundamental mistake there was to expect that adding enhancement and non-critical bugs would actually result in anything Jan 07 14:18:48 while we really should have just re-written the ui stuff from scratch from the get go Jan 07 14:19:06 what was wrong about the ui stuff? Jan 07 14:19:30 I meant apps which had a ui, which meant we then couldn't see the code Jan 07 14:19:39 oh Jan 07 14:19:55 e.g. calendar, phone-ui, maps, contacts, etc Jan 07 14:19:56 I like n900, but you are right that it was criminally neglected by Nokia Jan 07 14:20:22 it's hard for a big company to abandon a major investment like symbian Jan 07 14:20:27 and resources are limited Jan 07 14:20:54 I'm sure it's not malicious, but it's just a shame Jan 07 14:21:24 pupnik: For contacts sync - everything was in place - why can't the N900 to this date - do ovi.com OTA calendar/contacts sync? It is not about resources or manpower obviously :) Jan 07 14:21:42 * tybollt_ guessing some kind of politics at play Jan 07 14:21:56 ah that's a big one Jan 07 14:22:03 what's OTA? Over-the-air, i.e. through GSM? Jan 07 14:22:12 edheldil: yes Jan 07 14:22:25 edheldil: all symbian phones can do that Jan 07 14:22:53 i saw regular people using n900s in finland Jan 07 14:22:55 it was amazing Jan 07 14:23:02 I have an old Treo and sometimes n900 for duty calls Jan 07 14:24:21 battery sure does die quickly on this Tattoo though, constantly connected Jan 07 14:48:54 MohammadAG: ping Jan 07 14:49:09 pong Jan 07 14:50:04 MohammadAG: you wrote that i should compile against the kernel headers ... its the first time i am compiling something, how i do that? Jan 07 14:50:27 apt-get install kernel-power-headers Jan 07 14:50:36 MohammadAG: first time with kernel modules/kernel Jan 07 14:50:42 MohammadAG: i did that Jan 07 14:50:51 MohammadAG: they are located in /usr/sr Jan 07 14:51:00 /usr/src/kernel-power-headers/ Jan 07 14:51:02 yeah Jan 07 14:51:30 sec Jan 07 14:51:35 MohammadAG: and then? Jan 07 14:52:34 MohammadAG: okay ... this directory seems to contain only makefiles, i thought it would contain at least some *.h Jan 07 14:52:40 make -C /usr/src/kernel-power-headers M="`pwd`" EXTRAVERSION=.10power46 modules Jan 07 14:52:51 ~ping Jan 07 14:52:52 it does Jan 07 14:52:52 ~pong Jan 07 14:53:00 MohammadAG: okay, will try that Jan 07 14:53:31 [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/kernel-power-headers.list | grep .h | wc -l Jan 07 14:53:33 7315 Jan 07 14:53:59 MohammadAG: correct Jan 07 14:55:00 MohammadAG: "nothing" happens --> MODPOST 0 modules Jan 07 14:55:09 hmm Jan 07 14:55:22 i did a make clean before Jan 07 14:55:22 paste the Makefile in the directory you're running that command in Jan 07 14:55:52 i am running it in /usr/src/kernel-power-2.6.28 Jan 07 14:56:26 whats the url to the fancy fremantle developer documentation that was created some time ago? Jan 07 14:56:33 hosted by nokia iirc Jan 07 14:56:48 umm, no, you need to run it in the directory of the module kernel sources you want to compile Jan 07 14:56:55 frals, the hildon guide? Jan 07 14:57:15 there was this whole dedicated page for all kinds of API references Jan 07 14:57:22 or did i dream that? Jan 07 14:57:38 http://maemoide.nokia.com/fremantle/index.jsp?topic=/org.maemo.mica.maemosdk.help.guide.hildonwidgetui/html/node5.html Jan 07 14:57:40 that? Jan 07 14:57:49 yepp, thanks :) Jan 07 14:58:00 <3 awesome bar Jan 07 14:58:06 MohammadAG: okay, for instance /usr/src/kernel-power-2.6.28/drivers/media/dvb/dvb-usb Jan 07 14:58:22 no mate Jan 07 14:58:24 those are headers Jan 07 14:58:33 you compile against headers, you don't compile them Jan 07 14:59:12 MohammadAG: there are also the sources *.c files ?! Jan 07 14:59:42 sources are .c files Jan 07 15:00:49 * MohammadAG ponders getting an iPod/Android device Jan 07 15:01:12 or 2 more batteries for the N900 Jan 07 15:02:28 MohammadAG: http://pastebin.ca/2040342 Jan 07 15:03:01 you installed kernel-power-source? Jan 07 15:04:32 MohammadAG: kernel-power-2.6.28 (kernel-power-source package) contains both *.h and the sources *.c while kernel-power-headers (package kernel-power-headers) contains only makefiles and configs? Jan 07 15:05:09 BluesLee, yes, it contains headers too Jan 07 15:07:20 MohammadAG: hmm, there are no headers for dvb in kernel-power-headers/drivers/media/dvb/dvb-usb/ Jan 07 15:07:30 MohammadAG: i think there is something wrong here Jan 07 15:07:40 umm, no? Jan 07 15:07:58 MohammadAG: just a Kconfig and a Makefile Jan 07 15:08:01 kernel-power isn't compiled with dvb-usb by default Jan 07 15:08:07 why would headers exist Jan 07 15:08:23 MohammadAG: thats right Jan 07 15:08:33 anyways Jan 07 15:08:41 edit the .config Jan 07 15:08:44 set the things you want to M Jan 07 15:08:55 compile with the correct extraversion Jan 07 15:08:58 it might be easier for you Jan 07 15:09:20 MohammadAG: okay, thanks, i will try it Jan 07 15:09:42 just don't edit the core stuff Jan 07 15:09:50 i.e change a Y to N, or an N to Y Jan 07 15:10:02 otherwise you need to flash a kernel Jan 07 15:13:40 hi all Jan 07 15:13:41 always me Jan 07 15:29:49 mmm, Dell Streak 7 looks quite cool Jan 07 15:30:40 I seem to remember reading somewhere that they were planning/considering Meego support for the streaks? Jan 07 15:30:45 someone use twitpics here Jan 07 15:30:46 ? Jan 07 15:31:03 MohammadAG: changing the extraversion does not help. but you are right, i am doing something wrong as i get 211 new compiled modules i should only compile the necessary ones Jan 07 15:56:34 hmm, even more impressive, having forgotten that I setup Thunderbird to sync with Google, I can even see my appointments on my PC Jan 07 15:56:48 very nifty, I wonder why I put up with no syncing for so long Jan 07 15:57:28 Hello Jan 07 15:57:32 where do i verify my IMEI number ? Jan 07 15:57:45 to download a FIASCO image? Jan 07 15:58:39 xDaReaperx: that question was for you btw Jan 07 15:58:47 Yes Jan 07 15:58:54 ~flashing Jan 07 15:58:54 [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jan 07 15:59:20 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php Jan 07 15:59:24 i want to verify the Version of my maemo Jan 07 15:59:28 if it is middle east or what Jan 07 15:59:33 by typing imei number Jan 07 15:59:47 oh, no clue about that, I can't see how it would help Jan 07 15:59:55 Hey guys, what device are ya all coding to? n900? Jan 07 16:00:23 there's not afaik a central registry of flashed version vs IMEI as you can flash whatever you want to the device Jan 07 16:00:28 dpkg -l mp-fremantle* Jan 07 16:00:29 Shurik___: yes N900 Jan 07 16:00:39 Well okay Jan 07 16:00:47 002 is US, 003 is.. something else Jan 07 16:00:49 xDaReaperx: see MohammadAG's sugestion Jan 07 16:00:54 003 Jan 07 16:00:58 middle east i guess Jan 07 16:01:04 there's 002, 003, 203 and 004 Jan 07 16:01:21 what differences are there anyway? Jan 07 16:01:30 003 MENA, 203 UK Jan 07 16:01:39 well the police called me Jan 07 16:01:41 and MR0's global Jan 07 16:01:41 * lardman went to grab his N900 to check, then realised it's non-functional Jan 07 16:01:45 they said my number was traced Jan 07 16:01:48 and my phone was stolen Jan 07 16:01:49 xDaReaperx: hehe Jan 07 16:01:50 203 and 205 are both uk variants Jan 07 16:01:52 lardman, emergency numbers or something Jan 07 16:01:54 i told them i bought my phone from Middle east Jan 07 16:01:57 so it's no way stolen Jan 07 16:02:00 bought it from Nokia Jan 07 16:02:05 MohammadAG: ah ok Jan 07 16:02:11 that is why i need to verify my IMEI number Jan 07 16:02:15 205 is vodafone afaik Jan 07 16:02:23 i'm not using vodafone Jan 07 16:02:23 xDaReaperx, firmware can be changed Jan 07 16:02:32 that wasn't at you Jan 07 16:02:35 well you IMEI is written inside behind the battery and you can see if in Settings > Device Info Jan 07 16:02:40 it was @ nidO Jan 07 16:02:56 MohammadAG: yes, 205 is vodafone in the uk Jan 07 16:02:56 or *#06# Jan 07 16:03:00 for the Symbian way Jan 07 16:03:01 * lardman really can't type this afternoon Jan 07 16:03:11 MohammadAG: do those commands now work? Jan 07 16:03:21 lardman, since 1.1 afaik Jan 07 16:03:31 I've never had to use them Jan 07 16:03:32 *#0000# too Jan 07 16:03:34 that's it Jan 07 16:03:58 okay Jan 07 16:04:13 i dunno if someone is faking as polic Jan 07 16:04:15 police * Jan 07 16:04:35 yep its from middle east version Jan 07 16:04:39 phone the real police and ask Jan 07 16:04:39 hey, I faked an operator and sent my friend to claim his prize once Jan 07 16:04:46 I wouldn't give out my imei Jan 07 16:05:15 ask them who your provider is as they would have to get the IMEI from them I guess Jan 07 16:05:20 I didn't give my IMEI to him Jan 07 16:05:26 i asked him his name Jan 07 16:05:29 and branch where he worked Jan 07 16:05:39 he never told which model of phone was stolen Jan 07 16:05:51 so i think maybe they are mistaken or faking Jan 07 16:08:01 you could always check /dev/mtd1 to see what firmwares were flashed on it Jan 07 16:09:10 just type that in xterm ? Jan 07 16:09:42 uhm permission denied even with root Jan 07 16:10:01 strings /dev/mtd1 Jan 07 16:10:17 with |less probably Jan 07 16:10:33 yeah Jan 07 16:11:23 MohammadAG: are you really 17? Jan 07 16:11:37 it shows first one as : RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.48-5_ENOS_MR0 Jan 07 16:11:59 yeah lol :p Jan 07 16:12:08 that explains it Jan 07 16:12:15 only 17! off with his head! Jan 07 16:12:16 it was a global device, flashed to middle east Jan 07 16:12:22 uhm yeah Jan 07 16:12:26 MohammadAG: honestly, you have my respect Jan 07 16:12:34 but dosen't nokia do tha tnormally ? Jan 07 16:12:42 usually while bringing it to the middle east ... it's flashd Jan 07 16:12:43 ~ping Jan 07 16:12:43 ~pong Jan 07 16:13:11 xDaReaperx, no, don't recall anything like that Jan 07 16:13:18 middle eastern devices are middle eastern Jan 07 16:13:31 BluesLee, check january logs when I joined, I was kind of a noob :P Jan 07 16:13:47 it shows sw-release-ver : RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.48-5_ENOS_MR0 Jan 07 16:13:51 I owe a lot to those who helped me Jan 07 16:13:56 lol i remember before i flashed to 1.1 my TMobile operator kept asking me to type those codes in and I was like "erm... it doesn't work. it's not that kind of phone. yes i'm typing it. no, it isn't doing anything. kthx." Jan 07 16:14:06 what's ENOS Jan 07 16:14:36 i dunno Jan 07 16:14:40 it's just given it that way Jan 07 16:15:12 maybe old version of middle east ? Jan 07 16:15:50 no, MR0 is global Jan 07 16:15:54 MohammadAG: yeah, nevertheless your are very productive and thats good for the community ... Jan 07 16:16:44 is that a valid week number? Jan 07 16:16:54 Btw the police was saying someone elses name someone called : Jabber Jan 07 16:17:00 no one like so we know Jan 07 16:17:16 xDaReaperx, Jan 07 16:17:22 yeah ? Jan 07 16:17:29 are all other RX* strings MR0? Jan 07 16:17:43 no 003 strings? Jan 07 16:17:49 no Jan 07 16:17:52 only 1st one Jan 07 16:17:56 all the rest are 003 Jan 07 16:18:06 MohammadAG: stupid question, whats the diff between "apt-get source kernel-power" and "apt-get install kernel-power-source"? Jan 07 16:18:07 and one is .MENA+EU Jan 07 16:18:28 k Jan 07 16:18:32 I just checked a friend's device Jan 07 16:18:35 BluesLee: one gets the source, one the binary Jan 07 16:18:39 it's all MR0 Jan 07 16:18:42 oh Jan 07 16:18:45 and he has the ENOS thing Jan 07 16:18:45 no lardman Jan 07 16:18:52 BluesLee, kernel-power-source has patches preapplied Jan 07 16:18:53 so ... it's original ? Jan 07 16:19:03 cause i bought it from Nokia it self Jan 07 16:19:10 doh, missed the -source on the end Jan 07 16:19:11 and have international warranty Jan 07 16:19:14 kernel-power's source is how it's compiled Jan 07 16:19:24 BluesLee, you can build-depend on kernel-power-source, but you cannot build-depend on a source package of kernel-power Jan 07 16:19:26 originally Jan 07 16:19:26 by t-tan Jan 07 16:19:28 i.e you need to apply patches with quilt Jan 07 16:19:32 that's usually why there are binary packages containing sources Jan 07 16:19:36 MohammadAG: which one shouldi get to run the dvb stuff? Jan 07 16:19:53 both work fine for that Jan 07 16:20:02 okay Jan 07 16:20:25 xDaReaperx, there's no doubt it's original, but the firmware seems changed from MR0 to 003 Jan 07 16:20:30 lardman: what happened to your n900 to make it non-functional? :( Jan 07 16:20:38 Uhm yeah Jan 07 16:21:01 rm_work: touchscreen has failed, pretty hard to use now everything is finger friendly (kb unfriendly) Jan 07 16:21:08 probably Nokia over here in middle east must have done it ... no idea though Jan 07 16:21:33 they do that for most Nokia phones Jan 07 16:21:46 lardman: :( can't you buy a new touchscreen? saw some site that sold all the components individually Jan 07 16:21:50 no, they don't Jan 07 16:22:03 I'm from the middle east too you know Jan 07 16:22:07 lardman: or i guess it could also be the controller or something else random <_< Jan 07 16:22:08 rm_work: it's a loan device, so I'll wait to hear from Nokia Jan 07 16:22:13 lardman: ah, yeah Jan 07 16:22:20 Oh .. hmm Jan 07 16:22:32 So i wonder why Nokia would ever do that Jan 07 16:23:15 is it an early batch phone, flashed to global before the Middle-Eastern image became available? Jan 07 16:23:35 yeah i think it is Jan 07 16:23:38 maybe Jan 07 16:23:45 wasn't N900 out in 2009 ? Jan 07 16:23:53 sounds a bit fishy Jan 07 16:24:00 yes, november 2009 Jan 07 16:24:25 devices available since september for devs afaik Jan 07 16:24:29 there were a lot of them in the wild by, what was it, October 2009? Jan 07 16:24:34 ah yeah sept Jan 07 16:25:23 perhaps as they were in short supply the returned loan devices were re-packaged and sold again? ;) Jan 07 16:25:39 lol Jan 07 16:26:14 rm_work, my buddy just replaced his panel. Jan 07 16:26:37 GAN900: yeah. mine has a dead pixel :( but not worth replacing just for that Jan 07 16:26:53 also it is technically a loaner device, not sure if they ever want it back tho... >_> Jan 07 16:27:01 you get the entire LCD+touch panel as one unit I guess? Jan 07 16:28:04 lardman, not sure. Jan 07 16:28:47 hmm dunno really should be legal afaik Jan 07 16:29:03 if not i go with it to where i bought it from Jan 07 16:29:07 and ask Jan 07 16:29:18 xDaReaperx: the other possibility is that the person who reported the IMEI stolen lied or got it wrong Jan 07 16:29:34 yes i suspect he got it wrong Jan 07 16:29:42 since he was mentioning some other persons name Jan 07 16:29:54 he never told which phone was stolen , which IMEI number , his name Jan 07 16:29:58 where he worked Jan 07 16:30:04 i mean which branch Jan 07 16:30:26 well just phone the police and ask to speak to this person, he should at least have a record of the phone type Jan 07 16:30:31 assuming he exists Jan 07 16:32:23 okay i've told my uncle to do that Jan 07 16:32:29 he's probably already phoned them Jan 07 16:32:40 what is the nolo /dev? Jan 07 16:32:42 btw i'm living in India not middle east any more Jan 07 16:32:50 i dunno how things can get stolen so far away lol Jan 07 16:33:09 chem|st, cat /proc/mtd and you'll see Jan 07 16:33:09 it's /dev/mtd0 Jan 07 16:33:10 iirc Jan 07 16:34:20 guessed from other way but thanks! Jan 07 16:35:30 xDaReaperx: simple advice when dealing with a situation like that: ask for a phone number that you can call them back at Jan 07 16:35:55 it's like with payment information, never give anything personal unless you initiated the call Jan 07 16:36:54 or rather ask for their name and location and look it up in the phonebook/interweb Jan 07 16:38:10 yeah, good to do, but keep in mind if you can look up a name and location, so can anyone else... still best to verify the source Jan 07 16:38:42 but in my experience, the police will not take offence to someone questioning their validity over the phone, so long as you do so calmly and professionally Jan 07 16:40:05 Well okay ... i usually get nervous in such situation ... never talked to a police before lol Jan 07 16:40:19 i'll try to verify as much info about who calls next time ... thanks Jan 07 16:41:24 you should learn, it's a good skill to have :P Jan 07 16:42:04 and i don't mean the advice that talks about how to be a dick to the police... speaking politely to them will put you ahead 90% of the time Jan 07 16:42:35 Oh okay ... very well said :) Jan 07 16:42:57 i did my mom do most of the talking Jan 07 17:11:44 yo Jan 07 17:12:01 was the problem with wifi sthe battery power resolved in the pr1.3? Jan 07 17:12:09 ^sapping Jan 07 17:14:37 ? Jan 07 17:17:28 was the problem with wifi sthe battery power resolved in the pr1.3? Jan 07 17:17:39 ^sapping Jan 07 17:18:06 some APs do no tproperly interoperate with the n900, causing extra power consumption Jan 07 17:18:58 so there is still a need for unloading the wifi modules to save power? Jan 07 17:20:18 disconnect Jan 07 17:21:57 yeah - turn off wifi, and if you want t o go to the extreem, don't have it auto-search for wifi Jan 07 17:22:58 will having my n900 attached via usb to my pc constantly (every night and sometimes all day) effect the battery? Jan 07 17:23:13 JakDaRippa: yes, it should charge it. Jan 07 17:23:24 but once it's charged? Jan 07 17:23:27 i can Jan 07 17:23:44 i can't find anything online about it Jan 07 17:23:46 charge it every night Jan 07 17:23:53 or every other if you don't use it too much Jan 07 17:24:05 or even every 5 days if you really don't connect to anything Jan 07 17:25:01 i was wondering that myself (and about my laptop battery as well)... if i leave them plugged in constantly, does it ruin the battery? I can't remember what type of battery it is that has that problem Jan 07 17:25:25 rm_work: none if the laptop is built right .. Jan 07 17:25:46 I dont have auto search for on. I thought there was a bug that made the wifi search in the background even when it was disconnected hence the unloading wifi modules to stop it from draining power. Has this been fixed in pr1.3? Jan 07 17:25:53 no, li-ion like to be kept reasonably well charged don;t they? Jan 07 17:25:58 Once a laptop is fully charged, the power should come only from the charger and thw battery should be left along until you disconect it from the mains. Jan 07 17:25:58 no Jan 07 17:26:00 lardman: no Jan 07 17:26:06 oh Jan 07 17:26:07 lardman: store at 40% charge. Jan 07 17:26:11 li-ion like to be around 60% Jan 07 17:26:26 fair enough Jan 07 17:26:27 lardman: Your laptop battery oly lasts a year, at full capacity, as it's charged all the time. Jan 07 17:26:41 lardman: If you charge it to 80%, it can last several years Jan 07 17:26:46 there is a wiki entry on li-ion batterys Jan 07 17:26:51 SpeedEvil: noted Jan 07 17:27:00 not true speedevil Jan 07 17:27:02 lardman: batteryuniversity.com has reasonable stuff Jan 07 17:27:07 Also - they hate high temps. Jan 07 17:27:13 thats true Jan 07 17:27:19 and deep discharge Jan 07 17:27:42 high temp at high states of charge kill them fast Jan 07 17:28:46 so leaving my laptop plugged in 24/7 is, in fact, totally killing it? :P Jan 07 17:28:53 yes Jan 07 17:29:02 Not if it's built right .. Jan 07 17:29:06 if you leave it plugged in 24/7, take the battery out Jan 07 17:29:07 k well, not sure what I can do about it Jan 07 17:29:13 ah, that Jan 07 17:29:24 i suppose that would work :P Jan 07 17:29:34 it does, but it is a sucky solution Jan 07 17:29:51 And some laptop have settings in bios to charge only to 80% Jan 07 17:29:53 BS Jan 07 17:30:02 li-ions only really last a year at best with normal use, longer if you are well anal Jan 07 17:30:03 this is the case of my netbook Samsung n130 Jan 07 17:30:04 it's not killing battery Jan 07 17:30:15 laptops and batteries have specialised charging circuits Jan 07 17:30:20 -_- Jan 07 17:30:23 to prevent that Jan 07 17:30:38 goto batteryuniversity, go learn about li-ion chemistry Jan 07 17:30:42 and bettery is just connected there with small current flowing trough it Jan 07 17:30:42 someone use twitpics here ? Jan 07 17:31:05 hyper_noob_xl: it's leaving li-ion discharged that's killing it Jan 07 17:31:06 not charged Jan 07 17:31:12 what? Jan 07 17:31:21 dude, learn about li-ions first Jan 07 17:31:26 dude Jan 07 17:31:30 stop saying bullshit to people Jan 07 17:31:30 hahaha Jan 07 17:31:37 -_- Jan 07 17:31:39 what ever Jan 07 17:31:42 dumbass Jan 07 17:32:12 Heh Jan 07 17:32:25 it's funny saying that from a nick hyper_noob_xl :) Jan 07 17:32:30 khertan: well that's good as I have an N140 Jan 07 17:32:41 Yeah, never let a lion fully discharge. Jan 07 17:32:43 It's messy. Jan 07 17:32:58 lardman: so look into the bios this is pretty much the same :) Jan 07 17:33:08 yep Jan 07 17:33:44 lthey call it : Battery Life Cycle Extension Jan 07 17:34:11 in advanced Jan 07 17:34:15 parameters Jan 07 17:34:51 mine is one year old, most of the time connected to the charger Jan 07 17:34:55 there are only two things that kill batteries, heat and leaving it discharged for too long Jan 07 17:34:59 didn't notice any battery drop down Jan 07 17:35:03 cool, I'll take a look see Jan 07 17:35:20 effects of anything else are minimal Jan 07 17:35:58 lardman: and meego run very well on it Jan 07 17:36:02 hmm, looks very much like beer-o'clock to me Jan 07 17:36:06 http://batteryuniversity.com/_img/content/parttwo-34.gif Jan 07 17:36:09 so you are saying a li-ion battery can be re-charged to maximal capacity indefinatley? Jan 07 17:36:09 hrm Jan 07 17:36:17 khertan: I've already got WinXP + Ubuntu on there Jan 07 17:36:25 khertan: will need a bigger hdd! Jan 07 17:36:42 "High charge levels and elevated temperatures hasten permanent capacity loss. " Jan 07 17:36:43 lardman: ubuntu was freezing on mine Jan 07 17:36:51 wifi is craptastic Jan 07 17:36:58 no idea why, but otherwise all works fine Jan 07 17:37:00 hyper_noob_xl: no Jan 07 17:37:13 lardman: freeze with many kernel sata exception Jan 07 17:37:21 then there are at least 3 things that can kill a battery Jan 07 17:37:26 lardman: got no problem on debian lenny Jan 07 17:37:31 hmm, well Maverick works fine for me Jan 07 17:37:32 hyper_noob_xl: i'm saing that charging/discharging batteries isn't causing significant loss of capacity Jan 07 17:37:33 "If possible, store the battery in a cool place at about a 40% state-of-charge. Some reserve charge is needed to keep the battery and its protection circuit operational during prolonged storage. Avoid keeping the battery at full charge and high temperature. " Jan 07 17:37:35 a li-ion battery has a limited number of charge/discharge cycles Jan 07 17:37:50 though I quickly got rid of that stupid netbook desktop interface rubbish Jan 07 17:37:53 ehh Jan 07 17:38:02 and again somebody quoting batterybullshit website Jan 07 17:38:10 read manufacturer datasheets Jan 07 17:38:14 jacekowski: leaving lithium-ion batteries at 100% state of harge, and 25C - they drop in capacity significantly year by year Jan 07 17:38:29 lardman: mine come with win7 ... lol Jan 07 17:38:35 At 80% charge - the capacity depreciation is much, much slower Jan 07 17:38:41 "A lithium-ion battery provides 300-500 discharge/charge cycles. The battery prefers a partial rather than a full discharge. Frequent full discharges should be avoided when possible." Jan 07 17:38:49 jacekowski: so you're saying that site is just wrong? Jan 07 17:38:53 rm_work: yes Jan 07 17:38:54 khertan: mine did too, was too slow so I chucked in 2Gb and installed XP instead Jan 07 17:39:04 rm_work: i believe manufacturer datasheets Jan 07 17:39:17 rm_work: not some site selecting random parts from random datasheets Jan 07 17:39:26 lardman: i wipe everything to put debian lenny with xfce run very well Jan 07 17:39:38 jacekowski: and lets not forget chinese whispers. Jan 07 17:39:42 jacekowski: The manufacturer datasheets do not mention capacity loss at all typically. Jan 07 17:39:47 when you keep it plugged in it charges to 100% then stops charging. The battery then discharges due to internal resistance and powering the current control circuit. when the battery is sufficiently discharged from this (to maybe 90%) it re-charges back to 100%. Thus, if you leave dit plugged in youare charging/discharging constantly. Jan 07 17:39:48 some do Jan 07 17:39:58 There are so many common misconceptions in regards to batteries in general Jan 07 17:39:59 hyper_noob_xl: nope Jan 07 17:40:06 hyper_noob_xl: it never stops charging it Jan 07 17:40:11 khertan: I'll have to see if I can nick my wife's betbook to try Meego, but the installer needs to be able to resize her NTFS partition otherwise it's no-go Jan 07 17:40:12 wtf? Jan 07 17:40:14 are you retarded? Jan 07 17:40:18 hyper_noob_xl: it has very small current flowing trough it Jan 07 17:40:19 s/betbook/netbook Jan 07 17:40:24 jacekowski: however - in this ase, you're wrong, I could dig up the links to papers I've got, but I really can't be arsed. Batteryuniversity.com is actually written by people that make battery analysers. Jan 07 17:40:27 And make money at it. Jan 07 17:40:39 ignore jacekowski Jan 07 17:40:49 mongloid dumbass Jan 07 17:40:57 hyper_noob_xl: no need to be rude. Jan 07 17:41:03 sorry Jan 07 17:41:09 but he is clearly trolling Jan 07 17:41:27 hyper_noob_xl: you're both arguing, that's not trolling, that's debate. Jan 07 17:41:31 he is ignored now and I am re-entering my happy place :) Jan 07 17:41:34 no, I think he actually disagrees Jan 07 17:41:50 discussing whether black is white is not debate Jan 07 17:42:02 hyper_noob_xl: sure it is. Jan 07 17:42:09 hyper_noob_xl: if you're both blind :P Jan 07 17:43:08 at least from what I'm reading, using the adjective "mongoloid" immediately makes me slightly biased against you Jan 07 17:43:18 Heh Jan 07 17:43:21 hyper_noob_xl: http://www.mpoweruk.com/performance.htm Jan 07 17:43:27 Batteries, always a hot topic. Jan 07 17:43:29 hyper_noob_xl: and that http://www.mpoweruk.com/life.htm Jan 07 17:43:32 Especially if you own an Apple Jan 07 17:43:51 also, you're wrong Jan 07 17:44:21 and Jan 07 17:44:23 http://www.mpoweruk.com/bms.htm Jan 07 17:45:02 aaaargh, I hate on-screen keyboards Jan 07 17:45:19 lardman: me too. Jan 07 17:46:37 I bet you're not forced to use a QVGA touchscreen-only phone though :p Jan 07 17:47:23 im wrong? Jan 07 17:47:31 about batterys or debate? Jan 07 17:47:40 ^batteries Jan 07 17:47:43 6? Jan 07 17:47:45 ^? Jan 07 17:48:02 * lardman heads home, catch you guys over the weekend Jan 07 17:48:32 does someone know how I can get the currently playing song and do next/previous from the cli for the builtin player? Jan 07 17:48:50 lardman|gone: no, what phone? :) Jan 07 17:48:56 Shapeshifter, there are some dbus commands, I think I once found a wiki page describing them Jan 07 17:49:08 mgedmin: mhh thanks Jan 07 17:49:10 either that or a forum post Jan 07 17:49:13 try google? Jan 07 17:50:12 I've ~/bin/pause-music on my n900 Jan 07 17:50:32 being on 2G atm, I like to cheat by asking here first ;) Jan 07 17:50:34 it does dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.osso_media_server /com/nokia/osso_media_server com.nokia.osso_media_server.music.pause Jan 07 17:50:44 mgedmin: oh thanks Jan 07 17:50:48 * mgedmin thinks DBus designers drank too much Java kool aid Jan 07 17:53:44 SHAPESHIFTER, google for 'maemo scripts wiki' also 'maemo phone-control' Jan 07 17:53:52 so i'm not the only one to found this thing horrible Jan 07 17:54:49 Shapeshifter, I merged all (I think) commands in that page in one script, under the package phone-control Jan 07 17:55:08 MohammadAG: awesome, thanks Jan 07 17:55:38 Shapeshifter, to get the currently playing song you'd need some C/C++ app Jan 07 17:55:55 python should also work, see alterego's media-im-status-updater Jan 07 17:57:37 MohammadAG: nifty script Jan 07 17:58:28 :) Jan 07 17:59:00 * MohammadAG made it to see the look on nosy people's faces Jan 07 17:59:18 I could lock my N900 from my laptop when someone picks up my phone Jan 07 18:00:10 MohammadAG: typo in -h "e.g. --mp-pause laucnh" ;) Jan 07 18:00:16 hey i don't suppose there is a way i could emulate an N810 with Maemo to see what it's like? Jan 07 18:00:56 Shapeshifter, heh Jan 07 18:03:14 LjL: no, why? Jan 07 18:03:24 LjL: Maemo doesn't even support N810 anymore Jan 07 18:03:56 Hello \o :) Jan 07 18:04:57 MohhamedG!!! Jan 07 18:05:03 OMG dude Jan 07 18:05:09 I love your shit Jan 07 18:05:20 phone-control was fukin' balla Jan 07 18:05:43 luke-jr: because i want to buy one Jan 07 18:05:58 I mean, thank you for your kind contributions good sir. They have enhanced my n900 immensly. Jan 07 18:06:16 LjL: well, Maemo doesn't support it anymore, so you'll have to find an OS that does Jan 07 18:06:21 LjL: AFAIK only Gentoo Jan 07 18:06:34 luke-jr: eh, can't i just use the latest version of maemo that supports it? Jan 07 18:06:44 s/latest/last/ Jan 07 18:07:17 hyper_noob_xl, thanks :D Jan 07 18:08:01 I have a problem... I installed fMMS and that made a new "internet connection" (mms) and n900 tries to use that as normal packet data connection instead of normal "internet" setting.. Jan 07 18:08:14 LjL meant: luke-jr: eh, can't i just use the last version of maemo that supports it? Jan 07 18:08:49 LjL: …no Jan 07 18:10:38 LjL: software is like cars, it requires maintenance Jan 07 18:10:43 why not? do people who own an N810 suddenly find it stop working? O.o Jan 07 18:10:57 if it hasn't been maintained, you shouldn't use it Jan 07 18:11:15 there are dangers, etc Jan 07 18:11:24 sigh Jan 07 18:11:25 will it explode? Jan 07 18:11:30 *YAWN* only bits I've seen rotting are on my floppies and CDRs Jan 07 18:12:03 LjL: unlikely Jan 07 18:12:06 LjL: but it could Jan 07 18:12:14 could it explode with maintained software? Jan 07 18:12:30 *I* could explode in a second :-P Jan 07 18:12:35 luke-jr, adding new features and updating to more polished frameworks is one thing, but computers are tools and if the software works for purpose then it does not suddenly become dangerous with age. Jan 07 18:12:57 lcuk: thanks Jan 07 18:13:27 * DocScrutinizer pets his N810 Jan 07 18:13:46 i have a casio calculator that I got at school age Jan 07 18:14:03 and i ll add that my n810 is still a device i use for ssh session, and some python test Jan 07 18:14:25 and like cuk i still have and use my hp 48sx (really old now) Jan 07 18:14:29 yeah, the sinus calculation algo probably is rotten to oblivion by now :-p Jan 07 18:14:47 - in that casio calculator Jan 07 18:14:51 hp48 is complicated Jan 07 18:14:57 its no longer sinus - it flatlined. Jan 07 18:15:30 LjL: less than an iphone Jan 07 18:15:53 it s a calculatrice Jan 07 18:16:05 * DocScrutinizer sobs for his incinerated HP41CV Jan 07 18:16:42 did anyone compile the lesswatrs hp49g pwns all u noobz Jan 07 18:16:43 Whouhou ! Chromium win versus FireFox : ... 24Gb of ram used ! Jan 07 18:16:47 record ! Jan 07 18:16:59 WTF? Jan 07 18:17:55 DocScrutinizer: there is a page on the intranet of my company which make firefox eating 8Gb of ram and crash ... but chromium eat all what it can and crash at 24Gb Jan 07 18:18:03 I never touched a box that had even swap of that size Jan 07 18:18:19 12Gb more and i ll eat the max size of the swap :) Jan 07 18:19:04 DocScrutinizer: i use a swap which have the same size as the main memory Jan 07 18:19:11 DocScrutinizer: 32Gb of Ram :) Jan 07 18:19:43 what a zoo of insanity: insane ulimits, insane system config (wtf such a big swap?!), insane browser design and insane webpage Jan 07 18:21:03 DocScrutinizer: why 32Gb of swap, because 32Gb of ram ... Jan 07 18:21:20 DocScrutinizer: the webpage is insane ... .true :) Jan 07 18:21:29 khertan: swap is from a time where RAM was a percious resource. There's absolutely ZERO use in swap when you have an abundance of RAM Jan 07 18:21:32 LjL: much less likely Jan 07 18:21:45 lcuk: you assume a non-hostile world Jan 07 18:22:08 DocScrutinizer: except for hibernate Jan 07 18:22:13 lol!! Jan 07 18:22:31 else zero use... true Jan 07 18:22:32 :) Jan 07 18:22:41 it will take HOURS to hibernate and resume a machine that used up 32GB of RAM Jan 07 18:22:52 luke-jr: oh right, why would i assume a non-hostile world on a old device with no 3G i'd use behind a router for reading books Jan 07 18:22:54 DocScrutinizer: 30s Jan 07 18:22:59 that was foolish of me Jan 07 18:23:06 * LjL rolls eyes Jan 07 18:23:23 wait WHAT? you have HDD with 1GB/s bandwidth? Jan 07 18:23:27 did i said swap is on an ssd :) Jan 07 18:23:41 insane ... yes i know Jan 07 18:24:27 hmm, ok Jan 07 18:24:39 * DocScrutinizer heads out for brinner finally Jan 07 18:24:50 DocScrutinizer: what abundance of RAM? Jan 07 18:25:01 luke-jr, do you have a single piece of verifiable information or are you just smoking crack? Jan 07 18:25:03 RAM is still the weakest link in PCs Jan 07 18:25:35 * luke-jr feels like making a N810 BME exploder worm just to prove lcuk wrong Jan 07 18:26:36 * DocScrutinizer hands luke-jr his beta tested prototype X-P Jan 07 18:26:57 sigh, cyas later folks Jan 07 18:27:07 LjL: real world example: Maemo 4 still doesn't have XMPP support that is compatible with present-day XMPP servers Jan 07 18:27:10 cya lcuk, guys and gals Jan 07 18:27:23 thanks to a bug Nokia never fixed Jan 07 18:28:27 no third party xmpp clients? Jan 07 18:28:36 … Jan 07 18:28:39 doubt it Jan 07 18:28:51 that's indeed the sort of thing i'd have liked to find out with the help of an emulator Jan 07 18:28:52 if Maemo did one thing right, it was lack of communication clients Jan 07 18:28:56 everything is integrated there Jan 07 18:29:16 into the OS Jan 07 18:29:22 *cough* Jan 07 18:29:42 even Skype is integrated, no client Jan 07 18:29:55 wooow skype X-P Jan 07 18:30:23 skype :( Jan 07 18:30:28 * luke-jr wonders if Maemo 4 had Skype suppor Jan 07 18:31:37 it has SIP support just fine Jan 07 18:31:46 who needs skype? Jan 07 18:31:59 DocScrutinizer-8: true Jan 07 18:32:09 xchat working like a charm, as you can see Jan 07 18:32:23 cya peeps Jan 07 18:32:24 * luke-jr coughs Jan 07 18:33:53 http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2011-01/07/russians-penetrate-lake-vostok we're all going to die! Jan 07 18:40:46 MOHAMMEDAG Jan 07 18:41:09 MOHAMMEDAG Jan 07 18:41:09 MOHAMMEDAG Jan 07 18:48:20 Is it just me, or do other people get annoyed that mapping apps don't remember their destination when you quit/restart them? Jan 07 18:48:32 (Because I've added persistance to columbus) ^.^ Jan 07 19:04:24 ive gathered most of the kernel oops from my n900 crashes from the last 3 weeks or so....printed its 34pages of 6pt text...will it be any use to the engineer i take it to (at the very least i want to emphasise its a hardware issue) Jan 07 19:05:28 s/likely a hw issue Jan 07 19:12:57 Hi Jan 07 19:21:19 hm, how can i tell whether i have an express card slot or an cardbus slot? Jan 07 19:21:45 mikki-kun, from googling for pictures Jan 07 19:21:50 what device is it? Jan 07 19:22:07 carbus and expresscard54 have the same width :) Jan 07 19:22:54 rm_work: dell latitude d620 Jan 07 19:23:20 first time in my life i would ever use that slot Jan 07 19:23:59 http://media.obsessable.com/media/2009/01/02/expresscards-compared.jpg <--- how hard was that? Jan 07 19:24:12 lspci tells me somethign about cardbus, but a website tells me expresscard... Jan 07 19:24:26 so now i am confused by that output... Jan 07 19:24:45 lspci cannot be wrong Jan 07 19:24:50 not for that instance anyway Jan 07 19:25:02 03:01.0 CardBus bridge: O2 Micro, Inc. OZ601/6912/711E0 CardBus/SmartCardBus Controller (rev 40) <--- tells me lspci Jan 07 19:25:36 so it means i have to buy a cardbus card? Jan 07 19:26:10 or would also an express card work with that slot? Jan 07 19:26:32 cardbus and express cards are not cross compatible without an adapter Jan 07 19:26:42 and smartcard != express card Jan 07 19:27:26 ehhh, smartcard? where does that fit into the picture? :) Jan 07 19:27:31 *totally confused now* Jan 07 19:28:48 psycho_oreos: this page here tells me express-cards should work, but can i take it for granted? http://www.mobilewhack.com/reviews/dell_latitude_d620_laptop.html Jan 07 19:28:57 your lspci output says the device onboard is either a cardbus or smartcardbus controller or both. If you google for pictures you would easily see that smartcards aren't the same as pcmcia cards Jan 07 19:29:09 nor are smartcards the same as express cards Jan 07 19:29:27 mikki-kun, have you bothered to read your laptop's manual? or even service manual from dell website? Jan 07 19:29:42 its called process elimination Jan 07 19:29:46 or wikipedia Jan 07 19:30:24 psycho_oreos: the manual is in thailand, i am in switzerland :) you know a way i could read it? :) Jan 07 19:30:51 mikki-kun, I did say service manual from dell website no? Jan 07 19:31:49 or wikipedia Jan 07 19:32:34 for some reason I don't think this person would be likely be inclined to read from wikipedia, he/she seems like to trust some fancy site that says this instead of that Jan 07 19:33:03 psycho_oreos: who says wikipedia is right Jan 07 19:33:19 in the field of science i've seen it fail pretty hard for many articles Jan 07 19:33:43 meh Jan 07 19:33:48 mikki-kun, if wikipedia isn't right then who is stopping you from doubting it and comparing the information with other sources? Jan 07 19:33:59 or frankly why wouldn Jan 07 19:34:23 why wouldn't the pages be edited so that its reflected in a more correct manner? Jan 07 19:35:36 hm, which page? the wikipedia one? Jan 07 19:36:24 yes whichever page you believe wikipedia is wrong for that portion of article. Its a free online encyclopedia anyway Jan 07 19:37:13 who says your manual is right? who says we are right? who says your eyes are right? Jan 07 19:38:26 might as well finish that off with "who says right is right?" Jan 07 19:39:02 trust no-one? :) Jan 07 19:39:30 "I won't bother to read it cause I dunno for sure ig it's right" «- most lame statement I heard for long time Jan 07 19:49:48 wow, you guys are really going off on a total tangent :P I usually recommend avoiding the "letmegooglethatforyou.com" way to respond to people, regardless of situation Jan 07 19:50:41 yeah Jan 07 19:50:55 anyway, i was going to say, my normal method is to read as much as physically possible, tally the opinions, and go with the one that has a higher count (discarding things that reference the same source, if i've already counted it). has served me well so far Jan 07 19:50:55 lmgtfy.com is obviosly better Jan 07 19:51:27 that or ask somewhere that people might know the answer (like here) :P Jan 07 19:58:55 hohoho Jan 07 20:00:45 anyody knows why that joikuspot bouncer is needed in power kernel? Jan 07 20:01:34 i have compiled my own custom kernel and was wondering if i need that joikuspot bouncer as well Jan 07 20:02:08 although, i have minor changes from stock kernel, but have a new kernel string. Jan 07 20:02:37 do you use jokiospot Jan 07 20:04:56 seen that lately. cruft Jan 07 20:06:09 SpeedEvil: want to use it Jan 07 20:06:42 SpeedEvil: because i dont know what i need to patch in my custom kernel to get mobilehotspot going Jan 07 20:06:54 then you probably want to keep that bouncer :-) Jan 07 20:07:10 SpeedEvil: and i have a copy of joiku which i bought some time back Jan 07 20:07:18 DocScrutinizer-8: why is that bouncer required? Jan 07 20:07:45 trumee: didn't you say your custom kernel is based on PK? Jan 07 20:07:49 DocScrutinizer-8: what happened to your 51? Jan 07 20:07:51 DocScrutinizer-8: no it is not Jan 07 20:08:02 DocScrutinizer-8: on the other hand, it is very close to stock Jan 07 20:09:29 hey every one Jan 07 20:09:31 how is it going Jan 07 20:10:33 ZogG_work: whatms wrong with my 51? Jan 07 20:10:52 still feeling good to be left out in the cold by nokia? Jan 07 20:10:56 it's not the best thing about you but it's better than -8 Jan 07 20:11:06 grrr N810 kbd and N900 kbd are not compatible Jan 07 20:11:24 lirakis: i'm trolling, they hating Jan 07 20:12:10 yeah Jan 07 20:12:12 MohammadAG: \o/ Jan 07 20:12:12 i mean Jan 07 20:12:28 yes??? Jan 07 20:12:43 lirakis: if you want to troll, go elsewhere, it's my Territory Jan 07 20:13:01 as if mameo wasnt rough enough ..... they had to ditch the whole user base who shelled out big bucks for the n900, and then push a totally undeveloped meego Jan 07 20:13:04 only i can troll here Jan 07 20:13:11 ZogG_work, i only come in from time to time Jan 07 20:13:18 trumee: I got no clue but I guess it's something needed to emulate infrastructure mode on N900 WLAN Jan 07 20:13:18 just to piss a few off, then i leave Jan 07 20:13:33 lirakis, nah, ZogG is right. no room for two trolls. sorry :| Jan 07 20:13:34 lirakis: what's the point? Jan 07 20:13:51 to get people and yourslf more upset Jan 07 20:13:53 lirakis: I can help you to get task acomplisahed much faster Jan 07 20:14:02 Does anyone happen to know what the position is on nokia care if yous end you r n900 in for warranty service, and no fault is found? Jan 07 20:14:09 ZogG_work, every once in a when i just get angry for ever supporting nokia Jan 07 20:14:17 DocScrutinizer51: can u talk to DocScrutinizer, to calm him down? Jan 07 20:14:19 i just feel i have to vent Jan 07 20:14:25 its productive from that perspective Jan 07 20:14:37 SpeedEvil, nokia never cares Jan 07 20:14:39 lirakis: ok, keep it for yourself, me too, but it's not the reason i come here Jan 07 20:14:41 not for this chan Jan 07 20:14:42 SpeedEvil, except to take your money Jan 07 20:14:45 maybe for you Jan 07 20:14:49 DocScrutinizer: joikuspot seems to be working fine on my custom kernel, thanks Jan 07 20:14:59 also not for your psychatric doctor Jan 07 20:15:12 lirakis: I'm more asking what the charge might be Jan 07 20:15:24 ok - see you guys later. enjoy your dying device that has no support from the mfg for future updates, even though its less than a year old Jan 07 20:15:32 arii jaaks should be fired Jan 07 20:15:35 bye bye Jan 07 20:15:58 lirakis, bye. we'll tell you if we have a troll opening. send the resume though, and we'll keep it on file Jan 07 20:16:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMltvlqEM54 Jan 07 20:16:12 lirakis: Have you conisdered a martyrdom attack? Jan 07 20:16:32 lirakis: please leave NOW! Jan 07 20:16:41 so I don't have to bother to ban you Jan 07 20:17:00 oh sorry ...thought i hit part Jan 07 20:18:44 what a moron Jan 07 20:18:48 sorry ... ha ha... i just realized ari cant even be fired. he realized that maemo and nokia have no future Jan 07 20:18:51 and he left Jan 07 20:18:54 for hp Jan 07 20:19:03 lirakis [~lirakis@ool-ad022bb1.dyn.optonline.net] has left #maemo ["Ari Jaaks should be fired"] Jan 07 20:19:04 lol Jan 07 20:19:08 ban him Jan 07 20:19:10 good Jan 07 20:21:55 DocScrutinizer: who is the owner of bot btw? Jan 07 20:22:11 which one? infobot? Jan 07 20:23:05 what does it mean if the status led is red? Jan 07 20:23:21 front cam activated Jan 07 20:23:23 usually Jan 07 20:23:34 it blink with low bat sometimes i think too Jan 07 20:23:49 with broken bat it blinks, yes Jan 07 20:23:56 ah Jan 07 20:23:57 i see Jan 07 20:24:07 i did yeah -- but how do i switch it off now :) Jan 07 20:24:13 i tested a video call with a friend Jan 07 20:24:49 it should switch off when cam is deactivated Jan 07 20:25:24 how can I start xterm with root and bash loaded? Jan 07 20:26:08 lol @ bot Jan 07 20:26:17 the N900's over a year old Jan 07 20:26:25 dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_led_pattern_deactivate string:PatternWebcamActive Jan 07 20:26:44 bot? Jan 07 20:26:53 the troll thingy Jan 07 20:27:04 that's not been a bot I think Jan 07 20:27:07 ari jaaski et all Jan 07 20:27:12 that's been a troll Jan 07 20:27:31 they both lack a life Jan 07 20:27:33 chx: dbus-send been for you Jan 07 20:29:01 MohammadAG, and yet somehow infobot is both more helpful and friendlier Jan 07 20:29:33 Noobmonk3y's alive Jan 07 20:29:40 wooooop! Jan 07 20:29:46 evvvvvening! Jan 07 20:29:55 :) Jan 07 20:30:13 is it a coincidence the track i'm listening to had "wooo" in it when you said woop? Jan 07 20:30:42 is this >>dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_led_pattern_activate string:PatternError << what you meant by blinking red? Jan 07 20:30:46 hahaha Jan 07 20:31:05 what's that even acitvated by Jan 07 20:31:21 bme? Jan 07 20:31:30 dsme? Jan 07 20:31:41 NFC Jan 07 20:31:47 nope Jan 07 20:31:48 strings might tell you Jan 07 20:32:09 yeah, already stringed mce and bme Jan 07 20:32:09 nope what? Jan 07 20:32:23 hmm mce also a candidate Jan 07 20:32:52 not bme, nor mce, nor dsme Jan 07 20:32:59 mce though won't probably call its own pattern definitions via dbus :-P Jan 07 20:33:49 lol! Jan 07 20:33:51 /usr/sbin/avahi-daemon:org.freedesktop.Avahi.IsPatternError Jan 07 20:34:13 hmm trying to update backupmenu, but it says it violates 3rd party Jan 07 20:35:03 multiboot? Jan 07 20:35:30 i dont use multi Jan 07 20:35:37 good boy Jan 07 20:36:58 heh Jan 07 20:37:02 why its bad? Jan 07 20:37:09 maybe it conflicts with its own version1? Jan 07 20:39:31 nm i thought it was backmenu Jan 07 20:39:39 it is bootmenu that won't update Jan 07 20:39:48 conflicts with backupmenu Jan 07 20:40:18 backmenu it dependent on bootmenu, though. I'll try uninstall both then reinstall backupmanu Jan 07 20:42:44 Any howto to enable PAN on the N900? (as server) Jan 07 20:45:05 the wiki is not really helpful, DUN is not an option as the Archos dislikes my SIM card on DUMN access Jan 07 20:46:09 yacc900: what about wifi instead? http://mobilehotspot.garage.maemo.org/ Jan 07 20:47:22 MrBawb: well bluetooth uses usually less power and the Archos is very touchy about WLANs Jan 07 20:48:23 It does not support wlan in adhoc mode Jan 07 20:49:21 wow... Jan 07 20:50:03 you can use airbase-ng Jan 07 20:51:13 airbase-ng? Jan 07 20:53:13 so does the wlan hotspot on the n900 be adhoc or ap mode? Jan 07 20:53:23 adhoc Jan 07 20:53:42 last I heard, there was a problem using the n900 as an AP Jan 07 20:53:46 yacc if you ll use airbase-ng it can be AP Jan 07 20:54:28 not a solution as the Archos does not do adhoc mode Jan 07 20:54:53 So why does the n900 no pan? Jan 07 20:55:24 looks like it does, but it's a pain to set it up for internet sharing Jan 07 20:57:39 worked Jan 07 20:58:38 johnx well, you need dnsmasq for dhcp and probably the powerkernel for iptables NAT support Jan 07 20:59:45 PAN: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=454840#post454840 Jan 07 21:00:16 yacc900, exactly. and unlike the wifi ad-hoc there isn't a nice package to set it all up Jan 07 21:00:21 so I just use mobilehotspot Jan 07 21:01:45 docscrutinzer: wrong direction, I want the N900 as server Jan 07 21:02:23 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58570 < that seems to cove it Jan 07 21:11:27 johnx, the problem is that I have not found any description of how to set it up at all. Jan 07 21:12:10 I can manage the dhcp/nat issues on my own, but the last time I did it, I had a binary pand or so around, and this one is missing on the N900 Jan 07 21:12:20 yacc, look at the last post from MrBawb. did that answer your question? Jan 07 21:12:40 johnx please repeat, I lost Internet connectivity :( Jan 07 21:12:54 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58570 < that seems to cove it Jan 07 21:18:58 sigh, ok, I think I should now install the power kernel, ... Jan 07 21:22:15 Wondering, is installing the power kernel one of the operations that can brick a device? *wonder* Jan 07 21:22:37 I've been using the power kernel for months and it works for me (tm) Jan 07 21:22:59 Something I've wondered is whether it is possible to install software that bricks the device in such a way that it can't be reflashed Jan 07 21:23:14 (Excluding overclocking the device so that it breaks for that reason) Jan 07 21:25:02 That is, how paranoid should one be when for example hacking configuration files Jan 07 21:25:44 Basically - anything not involving flashing the bootloader is almost risk-free Jan 07 21:25:53 Or direct writes to /dev/mtd* partitions Jan 07 21:26:12 Mhm, I have just dput a package to fremantle-extras-builder - it built a i386 image although it should be architecture neutral. Jan 07 21:26:13 screwing up the 'normal' filesystem is a simple reflash Jan 07 21:26:23 what am I missing? Jan 07 21:26:30 Ok, but it is possible to overwrite the bootloader? *ouch* Jan 07 21:28:04 (build log is here: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/tvbgone_1.0.0-1/ ) Jan 07 21:29:29 Hmm, although it seems like it might be possible to recover even from a missing bootloader: https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing Jan 07 21:35:01 So is there a way to install software that makes the device not reflashable? Jan 07 21:36:06 yacc, if you really wanted to, you could probably find a way to do some damage by writing some malicious kernel code Jan 07 21:36:47 Hmm, I remember reading about the flash, that you could probably destroy the LED by turning them on for too long for example Jan 07 21:38:01 yacc: edit the kernel remove the flash write routine and flsh it one time Jan 07 21:39:58 Heh, just after I bought my N900 I wanted to upgrade it to the newest version. I even found a Windows XP box so that I could use the official Nokia tools to do so. And of course, it failed. Jan 07 21:40:22 But I could get it working with flasher-3.5 however from a Linux box Jan 07 21:42:04 Tamyrlin: from the dawn of Maemo the main development and support platform has been Linux. Jan 07 21:42:27 It's only really the N900 that bought proper Nokia support for windows. Jan 07 21:42:37 Which is a refreshing change :) Jan 07 21:42:50 Aha, didn't know about that detail Jan 07 21:44:50 Anyway, for various reasons I bought it slightly used, but I still had a regular warranty on the device. And I thought that if I managed to brick the device completely during the update process it might be easier to use the warranty if I had used a Windows XP based tool to do the updating. Jan 07 21:45:34 Tamyrlin, ??? Jan 07 21:46:03 Unless you have a defective device, or do something really stupid the N900 is quite unbrickable. Jan 07 21:46:20 Tamyrlin, how should that make a difference? Jan 07 21:46:23 alterego: Yeah, it seems like that, but I didn't know that for sure when I had just bought it :) Jan 07 21:46:38 And I mean _really_ stupid. Making it unbootable is easy though :) Jan 07 21:46:49 But easy to repair usual. Jan 07 21:46:49 alterego, define something stupid? Jan 07 21:47:01 yacc: pulling usb cord out whilst flashing Jan 07 21:47:02 alterego, it is brickable Jan 07 21:47:07 yacc: Well, lets just say that I go into the store where I bought the device and say "I used the Nokia PC Suite and now the device doesn't work anymore" Jan 07 21:47:10 * MohammadAG hands alterego 100kgs of bricks Jan 07 21:47:16 Or flashing random untested crap to bootloader. Jan 07 21:47:22 Tamyrlin, you say just it does not work, ... Jan 07 21:47:29 yacc: Compared to "I downloaded a flashing tool for Linux which I found on the maemo website" Jan 07 21:47:34 When you don't fully understand what you're doing. Jan 07 21:47:53 Tamyrlin, you think the guy at the shop will even understand what you are saying? Jan 07 21:48:05 yacc: Not the last alternative at least :) Jan 07 21:48:27 Or well, actually, you might be surprised Jan 07 21:48:44 The guy at the store seemed to know quite well what the N900 was Jan 07 21:53:14 Heh, "Nokia 900" I wouldn't expect that on an official Nokia/Qt blog .. Jan 07 22:07:35 Ok, where can I define a script that gets run when bnep0 comes up? Jan 07 22:07:48 /etc/network/interfaces seems to be ignored, but I'll test in a moment again ;) Jan 07 22:08:55 Can it be that the power kernel is missing some modules by default: When I plug in the USB cable no pop up comes, only after running mad and selecting windows networking the popup shows up. The host PC does not show any USB devices either, ... Jan 07 22:11:02 alterego, where? Jan 07 22:15:34 power kernel isn't missing anything, I can get pc suite mode after plugging in the USB cable between the n900 and the PC Jan 07 22:16:15 should I say its not missing anything of that sort.. Jan 07 22:25:09 hello Jan 07 22:35:19 Mhm, I think tvbgone made it into the repositories. Jan 07 23:01:11 why I declined an invitation to CES this year, I don't know: http://ces.cnet.com/2300-32254_1-10006165-16.html?s=0&o=10006165&tag=mncol;page Jan 07 23:02:49 Hello :D Jan 07 23:03:13 Anyway, there are always hot girls at tech conferences Jan 07 23:03:39 yeah,but hot damn, that brown chick? Jan 07 23:05:08 I wouldn't rate one above the other tbh Jan 07 23:05:13 doesn't france have hot girls? Jan 07 23:05:24 holy crap Jan 07 23:05:36 wazzup? Jan 07 23:05:45 DocScrutinizer51: check link Jan 07 23:05:49 There are hot girls everywhere :P Jan 07 23:06:17 yeah, but these ones already know you're a geek (because you're at a tech conference), and still talk to you Jan 07 23:06:27 alterego, usually, you try to go out with them, not decline the invitations Jan 07 23:06:28 I'm a Asia fan Jan 07 23:07:01 DocScrutinizer51: I'm dating a half caucasian, half korean chick who grew up in India ;) Jan 07 23:07:24 crashanddie_: go to the district. Same applies (except s/geek/redneck/) Jan 07 23:07:41 http://ces.cnet.com/2300-32254_1-10006165-17.html?s=0&o=10006165&tag=mncol;thum second thoughts anyone Jan 07 23:08:01 they get paid for talking to you in both cases Jan 07 23:08:15 MohammadAG: I don't like the whorish look Jan 07 23:08:26 and usually they hate it Jan 07 23:08:55 wtf, I wanted to google "list of community episodes", and ended up with qpixmap? Jan 07 23:11:55 Hoshi Sato >> seven Jan 07 23:12:18 crashanddie_, did I say I do? Jan 07 23:12:29 did* Jan 07 23:13:30 sh: Hoshi not found Jan 07 23:13:41 ho Jan 07 23:15:35 The theremin was originally the product of Russian government-sponsored research into proximity sensors Jan 07 23:15:36 lol Jan 07 23:17:52 oh, and if anyone doesn't know community, just watch these three clips: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlCN7sLh6Gk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcD_Y838DXA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYci5cbZAIA&feature=related Jan 07 23:20:17 crashanddie_: community tvshow? Jan 07 23:20:24 aye Jan 07 23:21:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JMbIE4wlxA Jan 07 23:21:28 crashanddie_: this is better Jan 07 23:21:36 though bibliotek is classic Jan 07 23:22:33 no, this is the best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRhrdwgcfBw&NR=1 Jan 07 23:23:52 crashanddie_: no, this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO1LNJX2lwQ Jan 07 23:24:27 Just used my N900 to watch a filem on my xbox Jan 07 23:24:37 filem? Jan 07 23:24:42 film Jan 07 23:24:43 Using my remote controller app and a usb cord in mass storage Jan 07 23:24:44 ? Jan 07 23:24:48 yes :P Jan 07 23:25:02 crashanddie_: el tigre chino Jan 07 23:25:03 Sorry, it's a private joke :D Jan 07 23:25:14 wtf happened to ping -W? busybox? Jan 07 23:25:38 chem|st: I just put the tvbgone package into maemo Extras. If you're curious, check it out. Jan 07 23:25:51 What do it do? Jan 07 23:26:11 does .. Jan 07 23:27:12 timeout in seconds Jan 07 23:27:12 It provides an aiming graticule so you can throw your n900 accurately through the TV. Jan 07 23:28:05 alterego: it sends lots of infrared tv switch off codes. Jan 07 23:28:20 bah busybox. curses!! Jan 07 23:31:38 boo busybox, yay whoever packaged real ping for the repos Jan 07 23:33:31 Shapeshifter: don't like it? do it better Jan 07 23:36:10 ~messybox Jan 07 23:36:11 messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils Jan 07 23:41:01 Shapeshifter: you might want to check out the package mtr-tiny if you haven't already Jan 07 23:41:35 yay for mtr Jan 07 23:44:10 nomis: oh, I've got a script that does that so I can find out remotes for whatever device. Jan 07 23:54:32 alterego: yeah, this applet is more about switching off that annoying TV in the restaurant... :) Jan 07 23:54:48 Heh Jan 07 23:55:05 Well, my script does the same thing :P Jan 07 23:55:25 Though it tells you the config file, so you know how to change the channel. Jan 07 23:55:58 i've tried it Jan 07 23:56:02 and it worked first time Jan 07 23:56:06 but not second Jan 07 23:56:08 and third Jan 07 23:58:50 Heh Jan 08 00:00:16 yo Jan 08 00:00:34 where can i get CHROME for MAEMO? Jan 08 00:01:07 I don't KNOW Jan 08 00:02:07 oh my... Jan 08 00:04:10 is there an alternate mail CLIENT available? Jan 08 00:04:45 Tuco_maria: THERE is AN article ON my WEBSITE with LINKS Jan 08 00:04:59 There are SEVERAL mail CLIENTs Jan 08 00:05:00 Tuco_maria: claws mail Jan 08 00:05:26 claws mail INTERFACE is not NICE Jan 08 00:05:38 TOUGH life Jan 08 00:05:48 hey jace, whats your WEBSITE?? Jan 08 00:06:14 my WEBSITE address is http://jacekowski.org/ Jan 08 00:06:19 oh i failed Jan 08 00:06:22 my WEBSITE address IS http://jacekowski.org/ Jan 08 00:06:31 heh Jan 08 00:06:34 Heh Jan 08 00:06:58 I thought WE WERE doing RANDOM capitalization. Jan 08 00:07:23 oh man, ther ARE no MAIL clients there Jan 08 00:07:34 only CHROME Jan 08 00:07:37 Tuco_maria: BUT there is CHROME there Jan 08 00:07:37 thats nice Jan 08 00:08:16 i will ASK my mentor IF its safe to INSTALL it Jan 08 00:08:37 IT'S very UNSAFE Jan 08 00:08:49 oh no Jan 08 00:09:12 will it ERASE my stuff? Jan 08 00:09:20 yes Jan 08 00:09:38 You need to flash chrome os to use chrome Jan 08 00:10:01 do i need to REBOOT the device? Jan 08 00:10:04 IT will CAUSE cancer INFERTILITY and MAY poke YOUR eyeballs OUT Jan 08 00:10:58 You need to ANTIBOOT your DEVICE Jan 08 00:11:10 how does SOMEONE do that?? Jan 08 00:12:14 what the hell happened in here? Jan 08 00:12:25 either my IRC client is broken, or you are all broken. Jan 08 00:12:52 ARE you using CHROME too? Jan 08 00:16:09 BCMM, about this happened: s/\w+/rand 3 < 1 ? uc($&) : $&/ge Jan 08 00:21:01 why are WE all randomly CAPITALIZING some words? Jan 08 00:21:24 I don't know TUCO_MARIA started IT Jan 08 00:21:35 ts NOT my FAULT Jan 08 00:21:44 i just wanted CHROME Jan 08 00:21:59 I want GOLD Jan 08 00:22:03 yeah what HAPPENED to chrome? Jan 08 00:22:19 i want to sleep Jan 08 00:22:22 NOTHING Jan 08 00:22:27 and i want internet access in my dreams Jan 08 00:22:49 some PATENT issues, BUT i MOVED it TO my REPOSITORY Jan 08 00:24:18 arent you AFRAID of the CYBERPOLICE? Jan 08 00:28:57 that PATENT is NOT valid IN eu Jan 08 00:30:32 so, WHY is it not in EXTRAS? isnt nokia FINNISH?? Jan 08 00:31:22 nokia IS doing BUSINESS in USA Jan 08 00:31:59 are THEY done? Jan 08 00:32:12 WHO? Jan 08 00:34:23 How hard is it to get gcc on the N900? Jan 08 00:34:32 Anyone here do it? Jan 08 00:34:57 * alterego guesses a chroot is probably the nicest way. Jan 08 00:36:26 i dont KNOW Jan 08 00:39:30 alterego: just APT-GET it Jan 08 00:42:03 next one to random cap gets bitch slapped Jan 08 00:42:20 jacekowski: yeah, will it fit? Jan 08 00:42:38 alterego: yeah, should do Jan 08 00:42:43 alterego: apt-get build-essential Jan 08 00:43:24 is freeglut3 right for gles2 and egl? Jan 08 00:44:00 alterego: it SHOULD Jan 08 00:44:02 -dev that is Jan 08 00:44:46 * crashanddie_ bitchslaps jacekowski Jan 08 00:45:28 Heh, we have no buildafessential :P Jan 08 00:46:20 * alterego checks -devel repo is enabled Jan 08 00:51:16 hey JACE, how do i ADD your REPOSITORY??? Jan 08 00:51:37 can't even install gcc :/ Jan 08 00:51:48 I don't KNOW Jan 08 00:51:54 GOOGLE knows Jan 08 00:52:59 I dont HAVE google AVAILABLE Jan 08 01:06:58 jacekowski i had swedish gf from Stockholm once =) Jan 08 01:19:22 omg Jan 08 01:19:50 i GIVE up, cant get CHROME to install Jan 08 01:26:26 hm... isn't the internal client good enough? Jan 08 01:26:34 and i think there was some qtmail or something Jan 08 01:27:06 maybe install fapman and then search there for mail (just type and it searches live) Jan 08 01:29:42 fapman????? Jan 08 01:30:42 BAD name, GOOD app Jan 08 01:31:39 i was like "WTF?! what's that a name for?!" but now i got used to it Jan 08 01:32:04 you can't even compare it to the standart app-manager from nokia Jan 08 01:32:09 which takes ages to load Jan 08 01:38:38 true Jan 08 01:42:10 WtF Is gOiNg oN HeRe? Jan 08 01:42:35 DocScrutinizer: i don't KNOW its REALLY annoying isn't IT? Jan 08 01:42:48 YeS iT Is Jan 08 01:43:04 thats KINDA emo Doc... Jan 08 01:43:19 you're kinda prone for +q Jan 08 01:43:39 Tuco_maria: seriously, what's wrong with your shift/capslock, is it stuck to the space bar or something? Jan 08 01:44:11 I dont have a caps lock key, real men hold shift all the time Jan 08 01:45:10 whatever - you've been warned. It's not just me being especially grumpy today, I also have to care about those who complain Jan 08 01:45:36 people actually complained? Jan 08 01:46:27 i just wanted to install chrome Jan 08 01:49:27 Pro-tip: don't tell your CEO you're on twitter, unless you're really really sure you're ready to see him "follow" you. Jan 08 01:50:10 i made my acc private Jan 08 01:50:17 better yet: don't use twitter at all :-P Jan 08 01:52:09 yeah well, I had kinda stopped Jan 08 01:52:22 I just have it as a notifier on the desktop, with the people I kinda enjoy reading Jan 08 01:52:37 Until... today Jan 08 01:56:45 but where is chrome for the n900 actgually? Jan 08 01:57:15 i only know of chromium Jan 08 02:04:41 hm, does here anybody use diaspora? Jan 08 02:05:14 DocScrutinizer: honestly, had the idiot kept going with his random capsing, I would've probably... KICKED him. Jan 08 02:05:21 anyway, 3 AM Jan 08 02:05:24 Time to stop working Jan 08 02:05:26 'later all. Jan 08 02:06:03 crashanddie_: cya, and yes I was amazed you didn't Jan 08 02:07:04 I was really busy? Jan 08 02:07:09 :P Jan 08 02:07:13 anyway, good night all Jan 08 02:07:28 good idea Jan 08 02:07:34 gnite Jan 08 02:15:56 DocScrutinizer: do u sleep at all? Jan 08 02:16:00 i think u are robot Jan 08 02:16:24 damn, now you noticed it Jan 08 02:17:04 i'm gonna tell everyone Jan 08 02:17:18 nobody wil believe you :-D Jan 08 02:17:24 damn Jan 08 02:17:31 my algorithms are too good Jan 08 02:18:39 DocScrutinizer: try to devide by zero Jan 08 02:19:59 I'm trying, but it doesn't compute. denominator missing Jan 08 02:21:24 Whats the easiest way to clone the autobuild server? Jan 08 02:21:47 errr, copy the harddisk? Jan 08 02:21:49 Because I keep getting binaries that are completely different once I feed it into the autobuilder Jan 08 02:22:10 like, the autobuilder seems to remove signals and slots from my ui files Jan 08 02:22:19 o.O Jan 08 02:22:39 Also it doesn't seems to omit my qgraphicsview widget completely Jan 08 02:22:44 now that's weird Jan 08 02:22:49 also it seems* Jan 08 02:23:03 but I buid my app in my sbox and everything works Jan 08 02:23:26 I made sure I don't have any ifdefs and the like.. and I don't Jan 08 02:23:37 my debian rules are building with qmake-qt4 Jan 08 02:23:46 should it just be qmake now? Jan 08 02:24:03 hmm, iirc there's some magic on autobuilder to choose the lowest version libs that still will compile, to keep backwards compatibility for packages Jan 08 02:24:24 hmm... maybe if I set the build depends version numebrs Jan 08 02:24:33 but how would it even still compile? Jan 08 02:24:54 no idea really Jan 08 02:25:01 sounds starnge Jan 08 02:25:34 I looked at the build log and nothing warns or echo's any errors about it Jan 08 02:25:34 aren't the logs and intermediate files available on buildhost? Jan 08 02:26:14 and still the binary doesn't behave and does what exactly? Jan 08 02:27:01 ok.. My application "groove" from the repos when built manually show a downlaod progress bar Jan 08 02:27:26 it isn't using the QProgressBar or anything liek that.. Its custom using QGraphics Jan 08 02:27:51 and you're running this locally built app on N900? Jan 08 02:27:57 when you get the autobuilt version it hides the progress bar Jan 08 02:28:03 DocScrutinizer, yes Jan 08 02:28:15 well from my sbox Jan 08 02:28:19 scp'd over Jan 08 02:28:21 weird Jan 08 02:28:44 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/groove_0.4-13/ Jan 08 02:29:13 sorry, I can't help. Have no experience with buildhost Jan 08 02:29:41 isn't it just pbuilder all fancy? Jan 08 02:29:54 no idea how to setup pbuilder for an arm target Jan 08 02:30:01 I'd try to get hold of the intermediate files, after preprocessor mangled them Jan 08 02:30:14 hmm.. Jan 08 02:32:17 libqt4-core libqt4-dbus libqt4-declarative libqt4-gui libqt4-maemo5 Jan 08 02:32:28 those are what it pulls to link against Jan 08 02:33:33 watching good film Jan 08 02:33:42 hmm... Jan 08 02:33:47 Maybe this is why Jan 08 02:33:57 my n900 has qt 4.7 Jan 08 02:34:05 my sdk has qt 4.6 Jan 08 02:34:12 I bet thats it Jan 08 02:34:26 I bet it links with qt 4.7 Jan 08 02:34:31 and builds it with that Jan 08 02:35:00 why would u use qt4.7 Jan 08 02:35:22 well.. the autobuilder seems to use it.. Jan 08 02:35:33 I may see if I can force it to use a different one Jan 08 02:40:27 dotblank: just punch it in the face Jan 08 02:42:21 well right now i'm updateing the sdk and see if I get the same issues as the autobuilder Jan 08 02:46:51 nomis: have to send in my device for insurance issue first but will have a look when it is back ty! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 08 02:59:57 2011