**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 14 02:59:58 2011 Jan 14 03:00:05 so Jan 14 03:00:15 mikki-kun, you laugh, but when we try to compute what we know about black holes, infinity and dividing by zero often come up Jan 14 03:00:20 5 Sievert ^ 0.8 coulomb = 33 roentgen/mile Jan 14 03:00:24 smoku: Hey, you can run the DIABLO hildon desktop :) Jan 14 03:00:31 one thing I'm wondering is that the blogs and the guys running them are all crazy about the fact that this year most phones are supposed to be dual core ones Jan 14 03:00:35 save for one. Jan 14 03:00:39 RST38h, meh Jan 14 03:00:46 the N9, of course =) Jan 14 03:00:55 in other words, our current understanding of things doesn't scale when looking at things elsewhere in the universe Jan 14 03:01:02 trip0: i am rather laughing at the god part :) not at the black holes... they are amazing! Jan 14 03:01:09 trip0: howdoyouknow? Jan 14 03:01:31 so how will TMO erupt in flames when the N9 is released having a single-core A8? Jan 14 03:01:34 javispedro: Actually, all I am caring about now is to have a device that I am comfortable with Jan 14 03:01:36 want to place any bets, gentlemen? Jan 14 03:01:43 RST38h, i'm a script-kiddie astronomer? Jan 14 03:01:54 RST38h, see http://codex.xiaoka.com/wiki/meego:archos - this is accelerated :) Jan 14 03:01:58 fsck, even N900 is quad core ASMP Jan 14 03:02:00 RST38h: yeah, tbh, all of the non-resistive ones look the same to me Jan 14 03:02:05 javispedro: one core, two cores, A8, A9, two A8s, capacitive screen, resistive screeen, who gives a flying fuck? Jan 14 03:02:16 hey, I give about touchscreen. Jan 14 03:02:35 i give about ram and a proper emmc which does not slow down my NIT -_- Jan 14 03:02:37 RST38h, people who run android and who need really fast processors to make up for the android-slow Jan 14 03:02:37 javispedro: ah come one, so they will take your ability to sketch stuff with a nail Jan 14 03:02:40 or wait, I forgot at least 5 other cores on N900 :-P Jan 14 03:02:55 RST38h: a _stylus_ Jan 14 03:03:08 the ability the sketch nasty drawings with a stylus. Jan 14 03:03:13 javispedro: btw, not using the stylus. I have found a perfect accessory for the N900. Jan 14 03:03:54 trip0: not to worry, android will become slower to compensate. Jan 14 03:04:25 javispedro: http://www.krusell.se/products/5/?catid=74&productid=2930 (mine is black) Jan 14 03:04:42 fssk Jan 14 03:04:43 hm, is it the sad truth, that the n900 is the phone that is calling the fewest home? :( Jan 14 03:05:12 * trip0 is convinced the mobile cpu arms race is a direct result of android being "the slow" Jan 14 03:05:25 meh, as long as my "tablet" is fast enough to render the video on screen and to receive the HSDPA stream, I realy don't know what else I'd need, other than maybe vnc Jan 14 03:05:30 Android is not CPU bound Jan 14 03:05:36 So, trip0, you are wrong Jan 14 03:05:43 RST38h, it's slow Jan 14 03:05:45 RST38h: after my experience with the lenovo's capacitive screen, they can pry my stylus from my cold dead fingers Jan 14 03:05:51 yes, but it is memory bound Jan 14 03:05:51 i'm not wrong on that Jan 14 03:06:01 to make it faster, you can make the hardware faster Jan 14 03:06:07 so raising cpu frequency will notimprove things drastically Jan 14 03:06:27 RST38h, the consumer doesn't know that Jan 14 03:06:32 javispedro: remove all nouns from that sentence except "lenovo" Jan 14 03:06:37 consumers map cpu freq/cores with fast Jan 14 03:06:44 javispedro: RIGHT ON, RIGHT ON! Jan 14 03:06:48 * RST38h sighs and adds an ignore Jan 14 03:07:01 RST38h: good point. Jan 14 03:07:34 javispedro: the Streak reacted pretty well (otoh, it has got a huge screen so precision was not a problem) Jan 14 03:07:56 the problem is that the lenovo has the biggest screen and lowest DPI of all the devices we're talking about here. Jan 14 03:08:06 and yet, I have a hard time hitting anything. Jan 14 03:08:20 trip0, the "arms race" is because ARM realized that mobile computing is going to bite a good chunk of desktop application space. and they are trying to get as far as they can before intel joins the race sand starts catching up Jan 14 03:09:22 so, unless lenovo is manufacturing an order of magnitude less precise touchscreens... Jan 14 03:09:32 my experience with c-ts was me trying 5 minutes to enter an sms on a whyphone. Before I gave up :-P Jan 14 03:10:02 soooo shiny, soooo utterly useless Jan 14 03:11:00 clearly, I just have to wait until Steve Jobs himself sells me required surgery to get me more "stylish" fingers. Jan 14 03:11:44 my experience from getting back to resistive screen (after 4 months with dell streak) is: oh damn.. i need to actually _press_! oh damn, i need to use my fingernails instead of palms again... :/ Jan 14 03:12:00 yeah, or always have a can of hotdog saussages with you Jan 14 03:12:17 you have to press very hard with saussages Jan 14 03:12:20 making them useless Jan 14 03:12:22 (yes I tried) Jan 14 03:12:37 lol Jan 14 03:13:00 you need better saussage Jan 14 03:13:02 javispedro: My guess is that it is lenovo to blame Jan 14 03:13:07 fresher ones Jan 14 03:13:17 javispedro: Company produeces unbelievable crap Jan 14 03:13:18 smoku, i'm not sure it's as much ARM as it is all the ARM customers (TI, Qualcom, etc) but yeah, that's likely a motivation as well. Jan 14 03:13:58 trip0, +1. I should have said "ARM pack" :) Jan 14 03:14:11 hehe Jan 14 03:14:55 it's like the ghz race of the 90's 2000's Jan 14 03:15:11 well, there's no point fighting either way. when the n900 breaks it is either capacitive or start scavenging in wastefills Jan 14 03:15:15 except it's in ur phone! Jan 14 03:15:15 seems to be like it Jan 14 03:16:12 i like it. this gives me hope for CISC-less future :) Jan 14 03:16:14 javispedro, also, the capacitive on this lenovo s10 is better than this exopc tablet's capacitive... Jan 14 03:16:19 imho Jan 14 03:16:38 anyway, for the c-ts - it's for sure a nice concept of an input device, if and only if you are using strictly built to fit apps and desktop and whatnot. And sometimes that's next to impossible to achieve - thinking about drawing, maybe even painting Jan 14 03:16:40 javispedro: nokia n900? Jan 14 03:16:52 n9!!!! Jan 14 03:16:58 lucent: nokia n900. Jan 14 03:17:11 javispedro: I own an N900, something I should know? Jan 14 03:17:15 i am thinking, that the n900 is the best mobile device so far Jan 14 03:17:18 javispedro, have you tried the ideapad screen under windows? does it suck so badly too? maybe this is a case of sucky driver / calibration? Jan 14 03:17:20 I however wnat a mobile device that's as close as possible to my linux desktop, and that is not compatible with a c-ts Jan 14 03:17:35 speaking of which... what's the latest n9 gossip? it's be announced at MWC? Jan 14 03:17:40 smoku: I was thinking Windows actually. Meego is slight better. Jan 14 03:17:52 Handset because it has... enormous buttons. Jan 14 03:18:02 and Netbook because ... well, the launcher is OK., Jan 14 03:18:04 javispedro, oh. /me surprised :) Jan 14 03:18:07 the applications are not. Jan 14 03:18:43 actually just picked up an otterbox for the N900 Jan 14 03:18:53 otterbox? Jan 14 03:19:06 it's not electric, sorry. just protective outer case that snaps on Jan 14 03:19:17 anybody knowing here a sports-strap for the n900? Jan 14 03:19:47 when I misplaced my N900, I thought it was lost forever. After careful consideration, I decided I will buy another N900; but then I found my phone again Jan 14 03:20:05 the price is something to think about but I will stay using an N900 anyways Jan 14 03:20:12 * DocScrutinizer imagines N900 in those green swimming clothes of Bahrat Jan 14 03:20:38 err, Borat? Jan 14 03:20:54 ha, the oversized speedo? Jan 14 03:21:57 http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://www.giftmonger.com/acatalog/borat-mankini-very-nice.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.giftmonger.com/acatalog/Borat_Mankini.html&usg=__vzStMON4tZ6dki260FpU_WI6f-0=&h=390&w=280&sz=34&hl=de&start=5&zoom=1&tbnid=aMZarNncQXKrxM:&tbnh=123&tbnw=88&ei=H8AvTfqKNoPssgbz14j8CQ&prev=/images?q=borat+green&um=1&hl=de&sa=N&tbs=isch:1&um=1&itbs=1 Jan 14 03:22:04 shit for the URL Jan 14 03:22:18 mankini was the name Jan 14 03:22:53 dunno why I seen this when I read sports strap for N900 :-D Jan 14 03:23:58 Ö.ö Jan 14 03:26:44 capactive screens cause CANCER! Jan 14 03:27:09 there are certain websites one really has to avoid =) Jan 14 03:28:29 haha, you're not talking about mankinis? Jan 14 03:28:47 argh Jan 14 03:28:50 makes my eyes bleed Jan 14 03:28:51 you made me click the link Jan 14 03:28:59 LOL Jan 14 03:34:39 now THAT is *truely* a nice multitouch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv3X5y-ajtc Jan 14 03:36:15 WITH A STYLUS Jan 14 03:36:33 ah Jan 14 03:36:35 it's resistive Jan 14 03:36:54 art! Jan 14 03:37:20 LART capacitive touchscreens Jan 14 03:37:49 that is pure art! multitouch brush+finger paintaing Jan 14 03:38:42 still, one thing capacitive has Jan 14 03:38:44 is glass Jan 14 03:38:48 instead of delicate plastic Jan 14 03:39:03 you can technically make a glass resistive screen Jan 14 03:39:14 i made quite big dent in my touchscreen today Jan 14 03:40:24 heh Jan 14 03:40:31 I am impressed Jan 14 03:40:48 Palm tried to sell me the opposite thing. That plastic was better than glass because it would not broke on a fall. Jan 14 03:40:57 *break Jan 14 03:41:30 well it will not crack Jan 14 03:41:39 you will just have hole in it Jan 14 03:41:57 a hole? Jan 14 03:42:14 Imho the worst part about plastic is that I've actually seen it _wear_ off. Jan 14 03:42:19 yeah Jan 14 03:42:23 it scratches and stuff Jan 14 03:42:33 but it looks like newer screens are better than old ones Jan 14 03:42:44 i mean i had shitloads of scratches on my old htc pda Jan 14 03:42:58 and not so much on my phone Jan 14 03:43:00 I have a m130 here which has a clear weared off area Jan 14 03:43:35 looks like if I had been sticking and unsticking stickers on it Jan 14 03:48:45 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1GCI5B5ntk&NR=1 stantum prototype tablet (r-ts) Jan 14 03:52:17 I had a AKAI tape recording machine, that had megnet heads with a glass surface. Lifetime warranty. I also heard you can even have *diamant* surface on arbitrary material, by evaporating carbon in vacuum and having it condesing on the surface to coat. Jan 14 03:52:54 what I want to say is: you probably can create plastic that is scratchproof like diamant and unbreakable like rubber Jan 14 03:55:29 *diamond* for our angloglot readers Jan 14 04:07:42 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnQHoCDxiRw&NR=1 1:53!!! for the musicians Jan 14 04:09:33 behold the power of javascript.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnQHoCDxiRw&NR=1#t=1m53s Jan 14 04:11:48 you could probably get rich selling that to the same market that buys those +$200 "DJ" tables Jan 14 04:13:25 i've seen something vaguely similar implemented using "processing" and used at a club here by a friend who does their music some nights Jan 14 04:16:19 * javispedro rofls Jan 14 04:16:26 http://nokiamobilephonenews.co.uk/2010/12/08/twitter-conversation-reveals-nokia-n9-specs/ Jan 14 04:16:32 (warning: blog spam. but it's a fund read) Jan 14 04:16:35 *fund Jan 14 04:16:39 *fun Jan 14 04:16:41 (damn) Jan 14 04:17:09 this is priceless: "The Twitter conversation also reveals that the upcoming handset will offer a dedicated gaming engine, supporting a display of 190 polygons/second. If indeed true, this would place it high-above any other gaming smartphone on the market specs-wise, and would put the N9 on par with certain dedicated gaming consoles." Jan 14 04:17:23 190 polygons per second! Jan 14 04:17:56 190 gigawatts! Jan 14 04:18:08 190 gigowatts per joule! Jan 14 04:18:42 "Nokia are yet to confirm the existence of the N9, although if rumour is to be believed, it will be making its debut in Q1 2011, alongside MeeGo." ... meego has no Q1 2011 release, and never has Jan 14 04:18:46 WUT 190 polygons per hou^Hsecond??? INCREDIBLE!! Jan 14 04:19:11 wow! It's the 1980's already?? Jan 14 04:22:09 certainly, 1.2Ghz, 1GB of RAM, and "dedicated game processor" might amount to 190 polygons por hour in a Java/MIDP world. Who knows. Jan 14 04:32:29 my E70 does atleast 1000 per second! Jan 14 04:32:34 in python Jan 14 04:32:52 yeah. and a 7.6 poly/frame @25fps is surely mad useful Jan 14 04:33:45 I commented, let's see if he will give that an ok :-P Jan 14 04:34:06 "almost as fast as me with a pencil :-P" Jan 14 04:36:49 I'm almost temped to write a little fancy in python or whatever, to see how many 'polygons' (actually I thought these were triangles) the N900 can do / s, without any optimization :-D Jan 14 04:37:36 and surely without any "dedicated gaming gfx engine" Jan 14 04:38:52 maybe that gaming engine is intel SSE, emulated in bochs? Jan 14 04:41:06 the funniest part is when he claims this "puts the N9 on par with certain dedicated gaming consoles." Jan 14 04:41:27 btw there's a recent article with same BS as well Jan 14 04:41:40 http://nokiamobilephonenews.co.uk/2011/01/13/nokia-n9-to-launch-in-february-at-mwc/ Jan 14 04:41:59 recent gaming consoles indeed, like my trusty Nintendo Game&Watch Jan 14 04:43:08 Nokia News -- Official news and opinions on Nokia Jan 14 04:43:11 PFFF Jan 14 04:43:17 well, I said "blog spam". Jan 14 04:43:31 wonder how long it takes Nokia to take down this site Jan 14 04:58:58 they don't Jan 14 05:01:12 especially as nokia sponsored blogs have the same type of stuff on the front page... Jan 14 05:01:15 "Shihuzaan has designed a Nokia MeeGo concept phone which he is calling the Nokia N14. Jan 14 05:01:18 Incorporating MeeGo into its design the N14 boasts a 1 Ghz processor, 8mp Carl Zeiss camera and 4″ super AMOLED display screen." Jan 14 05:02:50 and that's from a section described as: Jan 14 05:02:53 "’m sure you’ve dreamt up your PERFECT Nokia phone. What it would look like, what it would feel like, what features it would have. Why don’t you share it with the world" Jan 14 05:02:55 WTF is Alice, err Shihuzaan? Jan 14 05:03:08 Basically user submitted dream phone Jan 14 05:03:19 Depressingly it looks crap and the specs are facepalm-ish :P Jan 14 05:03:56 crap as in where's hte keyboard :( Jan 14 05:03:59 :sigh: Jan 14 05:05:18 sandbox for idiots anyway. I *hope* Nokia isn't that foolish to pay any notice to that random BS of weirdos Jan 14 05:05:24 http://mynokiablog.com/2010/11/17/my-dream-nokia-5-nokia-e10-meego-phone-tablet-transformer-with-foldable-6-54-screen-and-solar-panels-concept/ Jan 14 05:05:31 check that out Jan 14 05:05:35 that would be kinda neat Jan 14 05:05:44 I want a transformer phone! Jan 14 05:06:32 nah, mine needs to be inflatable, with built-in nano-engine compressor Jan 14 05:07:10 from reading that blog Jan 14 05:07:22 also nightmarish is the entire confusion the masses are getting about meego uis Jan 14 05:07:39 lemmings Jan 14 05:07:43 hey all Jan 14 05:07:47 i'm having a weird problem since PR 1.3 Jan 14 05:08:01 my device doesn't seem to be able to aquire an IP address for my wireless network :\ Jan 14 05:08:06 but other devices are fine Jan 14 05:08:09 you have a weird problem *called* PR1.3 :-P Jan 14 05:08:15 xD Jan 14 05:09:43 * DocScrutinizer suggests wireshark on the N900 Jan 14 05:09:59 there is wireshark Jan 14 05:10:02 repos Jan 14 05:10:15 err, yes? Jan 14 05:10:18 javispedro, well... I'm not at all surprised that they're confused. Marketing is saying "Meego meego meego!", but reality is intel's meego, car meego, tablet meego, netbook meego, phone meego, Nokia's meego Jan 14 05:10:41 random company's meego Jan 14 05:10:49 half-assed chinese clone's meego Jan 14 05:10:51 there's also some lighweight alternative, which the name of I forgot Jan 14 05:11:23 Have you noticed people from chinese car makers and indian car makers on #meego? :) Jan 14 05:11:40 ShadowJK: you forgot harmattan meego Jan 14 05:12:05 Nokia notMeeGo-MeeGo, Nokia MeeGo :P Jan 14 05:12:30 k :-D Jan 14 05:13:15 maego-meemo Jan 14 05:13:29 maehgoo Jan 14 05:13:55 meme-meego Jan 14 05:14:41 And seems it's hard to find any of those in any shop, on a device you could buy Jan 14 05:15:32 It was actually kinda hard to find maemo now too Jan 14 05:16:44 I wonder who got fired cause no more need in meego for names like sardine, herring, gaspacho, diablo, nolo, fiasco Jan 14 05:17:38 btw, the cellular modem chips of N900 are named after characters in "The Flintstones", in finnish :P Jan 14 05:17:42 fiasco might come back into use Jan 14 05:18:45 actually - with meego - it seems to me fiasco is all over the place :-P Jan 14 05:19:30 it not only seems to, it most likely is Jan 14 05:19:58 just hidden behind SELinux-like security so the users won't see the whole bloody mess Jan 14 05:20:04 hmm, some parts for sure are Jan 14 05:20:31 ewwwwwwwwwwwww SELinux Jan 14 05:20:44 yummy Jan 14 05:20:51 ...I don't remember how I got here. Jan 14 05:21:05 hehehehehe Jan 14 05:21:23 Kilroo1: don't worry. We're lost as well Jan 14 05:22:27 I started out researching how to partition my n900 and now for some reason I'm searching for news on nitdroid and uboot... Jan 14 05:22:46 Kilroo1: maybe you accidentally typed /join #maemo ? Jan 14 05:23:21 I meant how I got from partitioning to uboot. I know how I ended up in the channel. I actually typed that on purpose. Jan 14 05:23:30 Kilroo1: partition N900? what do you plan to do? Jan 14 05:24:05 increase size of /home? Jan 14 05:24:18 there's a wiki article on it, it looks less messy than the wiki page on flashing Jan 14 05:24:22 that's somewhat promising Jan 14 05:24:31 or then a sign that it's incomplete Jan 14 05:25:48 DocScrutinizer: For purposes of installing Nitdroid internally instead of to SD and hopefully eventually for purposes of trying some other stuff...ArchMobile for example...I think I'd feel more comfortable with partitions than with letting the OSes sit there politely ignoring each other. Jan 14 05:26:32 :nod: Jan 14 05:26:34 What I learn from my research will tell me whether I am right or not. (About feeling more comfortable with the partitioning.) Jan 14 05:27:14 so probably you want to split MyDocs mmcblk0p1 into some 2..4 smaller partitions Jan 14 05:27:23 that should be fairly easy Jan 14 05:29:14 Well, the tricky part is that my first choice would be to do it entirely on the n900 itself, using parted, after backing up important things to my SD card, and there's a lot less in the way of detailed guides for that, I think because most of the guides for such things predate the n900 parted package. Jan 14 05:29:40 I also have gotten sidetracked reading about backupmenu, including its plans for world domination. Jan 14 05:29:50 I mean, for flashing things. Jan 14 05:30:13 I'd suggest (if the other OS don't mind) you keep mmcblk0p1 as vfat MyDocs, and use p2..pN for your special purposes. You might need to fix /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /home and the swap mounts Jan 14 05:31:08 are we still uncertain about backupmenu in the case of bad blocks on nand? Jan 14 05:31:11 yeah, there's only sfdisk genuine on maemo Jan 14 05:31:48 I'm feeling more and more like trusting it, though I'm still missing any confirmations on it working Jan 14 05:32:15 ShadowJK: I think RobbieThe1st has understood the problem and properly fixed it Jan 14 05:32:38 ah Jan 14 05:32:45 Oh, um, hello. Jan 14 05:33:11 hi :-) Jan 14 05:34:49 Kilroo1: or probably it's even better you keep the assignment of dev/mmcblk0p2=/home, p3=swap, and *append your own new partitions at end Jan 14 05:34:57 Well, so far the only things I know I want to use are nitdroid and eventually Arch Mobile and Meego. And when I say eventually, that takes into account the fact that I don't how far along Arch is really, and I don't really intend to try Meego until I can have stock, power kernel, nitdroid, and meego all use the same polyboot method. Jan 14 05:35:51 DocScrutinizer: My vague intent is to model my plans after this. http://www.forums.internettablettalk.com/showpost.php?p=905427&postcount=6 Jan 14 05:39:32 the *droid fanboys seem to have little or no respect for concurrent OS on the device Jan 14 05:40:31 quite redmond way of thinking. Recall the mess about windows install always killing LILO, in good old times? Jan 14 05:40:32 Somehow I read what you just said and my brain went "qemu on the n900." Jan 14 05:41:49 btw that's been same mess on Openmoko freerunner, with that specific *droid flavour Jan 14 05:42:03 I think somebody managed to install meego to eMMC recently. For nitdridiot though it seems it's not even that easy to boot it with anything not multibootish Jan 14 05:45:03 I thought it was more a case of not considering uboot-compatibility a high priority than of not thinking it'd be a good idea... Jan 14 05:45:08 hm, is maemo actually able to use the sources from meego? (i mean which are closed source in maemo, but opensource in meego) Jan 14 05:46:28 anybody installed the power user kernel lately? Jan 14 05:46:45 it has been the same for a couple of month Jan 14 05:47:16 what are you asking on it? :) Jan 14 05:51:21 * rtyler ponders Jan 14 05:52:00 really want the mobile hotspot to work, looks like i need to uninstall the current kernel first though :-/ Jan 14 05:54:03 current kernel? Jan 14 05:55:56 maemo5 standard kernel Jan 14 05:57:34 rtyler: don't stress about it... do a backup and follow the instructions on the wiki Jan 14 05:57:34 derp Jan 14 05:57:46 in the unlikely event shit goes wrong, you aren't fucked Jan 14 05:57:49 linkywinky? Jan 14 05:58:06 you just need to re-flash the kernel over usb -- in theory, your userspace will never be touched Jan 14 05:58:07 can't a kernel update brick this? Jan 14 05:58:21 http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power Jan 14 05:58:24 I don't have this connected to a PC Jan 14 05:58:27 nope Jan 14 05:58:37 no Linux PC Suite AF-AIK Jan 14 05:58:48 in the *unlikely* event shit goes wrong, you will need a pc to fix it (windows or linux should suffice) Jan 14 05:59:38 ruh roh Jan 14 05:59:49 let's hope it doesn't come to that Jan 14 06:00:03 kernel updtes from bed, this should be fun Jan 14 06:00:09 and as a general rule, before making any real changes to your phone, do a backup Jan 14 06:01:19 if shit does somehow go wrong, this is what to follow: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Flashing_only_the_kernel_from_a_FIASCO_image Jan 14 06:02:01 oh, and make sure your battery has a lot of charge Jan 14 06:02:59 wait... Jan 14 06:05:09 I triple-boot stock, power, and nitdroid. When I'm booted from the power kernel, I can activate the mobile hotspot app. I've had people test it and be able to use the internet through me. Why would you need to uninstall the default kernel to do that? Jan 14 06:05:25 standard kernel, rather, was the term you used. Jan 14 06:05:56 heh Jan 14 06:06:10 there is a partition on nand that contains the kernel Jan 14 06:06:36 assuming you're using something like multiboot, when you change kernels, it reflashes that partition with the kernel of choice when you select it Jan 14 06:08:05 you might be able to make an argument that it's somehow safer, but it'd be a weak argument ... especially when you can always recover from a broken kernel using a computer and a usb cable Jan 14 06:08:13 Kilroo1: the app manager claims that there's a conflict and the power kernel can't be installed Jan 14 06:08:32 rtyler: you have backupmenu? Jan 14 06:08:50 Or some other custom kernel dooflotchy? Jan 14 06:10:04 problems with community projects... ask a question, get contradicting answers that risk devolving into pedantic debate :P Jan 14 06:12:13 i don't think i have any other goofy kernel bits installed Jan 14 06:12:32 Huh. So what's it conflicting with? O.o Jan 14 06:12:36 tweaker menu maybe? Jan 14 06:13:00 nah, it's conflicting because without the use of another non-stable tool, you can't have multiple kernels "installed" Jan 14 06:13:17 advice? :) Jan 14 06:13:41 even when you do have another tool, the package manager would still not treat it as both kernels being installed Jan 14 06:13:55 the package rules files make them mutually exclusive in the package manager Jan 14 06:14:22 simple advice is backup, install the power kernel, and don't worry about it Jan 14 06:14:38 it'll give you mobile hotspot, and you won't hurt anything Jan 14 06:15:15 and while installing apps get FAPman :) Jan 14 06:15:29 you will leave the default app-manager for fapman Jan 14 06:15:40 fapman == faster application manager Jan 14 06:16:06 plus the added benefit of sexual innuendo Jan 14 06:16:10 cannot install Jan 14 06:16:27 conflicts with kernel-maemo, kernel-maemo-modules Jan 14 06:16:37 rtyler: you have only extras and not extras-devel as repo? Jan 14 06:16:43 Ö. Jan 14 06:17:06 err, you don't want extras-devel Jan 14 06:17:21 ieatlint: some usefuls apps are there Jan 14 06:17:39 feh, no devel for me right now :-P Jan 14 06:17:41 as shown on that wiki page, you install kernel-power-settings which will bring in the dependencies to flash the power kernel Jan 14 06:17:46 it's in extras methinks Jan 14 06:17:57 ieatlint: that's what i tried Jan 14 06:18:10 i'll try with apt-get now from rootsh Jan 14 06:18:25 huh, i'm confused by that then Jan 14 06:18:39 sudo apt-get install kernel-power kernel-power-setting (later one am not sure of the package name, let me check* Jan 14 06:19:10 kernel-power-settings Jan 14 06:19:14 just list that one Jan 14 06:19:28 and you can't run it through sudo like that i'm afraid, need to be root Jan 14 06:19:35 apt-get is removing the old bits and installing the new Jan 14 06:19:38 ieatlint: thanks :) wasn't sure anymoe how it was names :) Jan 14 06:19:48 sudo -i then Jan 14 06:20:05 or wait, /bin/sh access is killed... thanks messybox Jan 14 06:20:08 sudo gainroot then Jan 14 06:20:28 "sudo gainroot" or "root" will give you a root shell Jan 14 06:20:30 sudo gainroot to get root-allowances :) Jan 14 06:20:40 either will work fine for this Jan 14 06:23:41 rtyler: which repos do you have enabled? Jan 14 06:24:26 and rebooted Jan 14 06:25:08 so it installed? Jan 14 06:25:33 looks like it Jan 14 06:25:40 uname -a Jan 14 06:25:43 congrats Jan 14 06:26:05 2.6.28.10power46 <--- something like this should be returned :) Jan 14 06:27:16 things feel slightly faster Jan 14 06:27:25 wonder if that's just the reboot Jan 14 06:27:44 rtyler: for installing mobile hotspot "sudo gainoot" "apt-get install mobilehotspot" Jan 14 06:28:04 rtyler: usually after i reboot things feel a lot more sluggish *lol* Jan 14 06:28:27 but i guess that is due to all the stuff having to load :) Jan 14 06:29:46 verified that mobilehotspot works Jan 14 06:29:52 Power Kernel sucks in some cases Jan 14 06:30:00 should be now set for SCALE in feb. Jan 14 06:30:01 trumee: what does it suck? Jan 14 06:30:12 If you do sip calls. stay away from it Jan 14 06:30:21 mikki-kun: usually you would use root rather than sudo gainroot Jan 14 06:30:36 DocScrutinizer: usually i use sudo -i Jan 14 06:30:42 mikki-kun, it eats up much more cpu on sip calls compared to stock Jan 14 06:30:45 no UI tools for slightly overclocking? when I'm plugged in there's no reason not to make it faster Jan 14 06:30:54 uhuh Jan 14 06:31:07 trumee: hm, maybe tweak some of the values then? swapolube might help Jan 14 06:31:26 rtyler: overclocking can and will damage your hardware :) Jan 14 06:31:43 mikki-kun, dont think swapolube will help Jan 14 06:31:46 there is a reason why those CPUs are rated 600 MHz ;) Jan 14 06:31:57 battery life! :) Jan 14 06:31:58 mikki-kun, some patch in pk screws up sip Jan 14 06:32:01 trumee: well, you might give it a try though :) Jan 14 06:32:23 are you sure it is also in 46? Jan 14 06:32:44 mikki-kun: Jan 14 06:32:46 mikki-kun, my own custom kernel working very well. thank uou Jan 14 06:32:47 ~ $ sudo -i Jan 14 06:32:49 Sorry, user user is not allowed to execute '/bin/sh' as root on t900. Jan 14 06:32:53 rtyler: thos cpu's also have to be guaranteed to work for some time ;) yours might be doing now for the next months good, but then ust die Jan 14 06:33:15 btw, it overclocks your dsp as well (the graphics) and that is also not very perfect in most cases :) Jan 14 06:33:25 DocScrutinizer: i made my own sudoers-rules Jan 14 06:33:35 well, the microUSB already broke off, on my second device already Jan 14 06:33:54 me too, but then you can't suggest to others to use sudo -i, instead of root Jan 14 06:33:55 I give this unit a few months before that same thing happens Jan 14 06:34:00 trumee: may i ask where you got the files from? :) Jan 14 06:34:14 rtyler: i am having mine since jan last year, no loose usb here :) Jan 14 06:34:24 rtyler, how you deal with personal data before sending to nokia care? Jan 14 06:34:42 mikki-kun, i built them myself in scratchbox Jan 14 06:35:02 trumee: didn't do a great job of cleaning Jan 14 06:35:06 DocScrutinizer: yeah i know... i actually was so annoyed by that i killed it after like the second use or so >.< Jan 14 06:35:13 had no power left, no way to charge Jan 14 06:35:24 mikki-kun: sorry? Jan 14 06:35:33 trumee: hm, but the files, where are those? :) Jan 14 06:35:56 mikki-kun: you killed what? Jan 14 06:35:57 DocScrutinizer: just wanted to tell why i told in the first place.. but yeah, i corrected myself :) Jan 14 06:36:05 rtyler, hmm. i have lot of personal data on the phone. will be scared to send the phone to nokia Jan 14 06:36:21 uhhh, sudo gainroot out of memory by adding /bin/sh on the allowed list :) Jan 14 06:36:47 trumee: sometimes you just have to take a risk :( Jan 14 06:36:47 mikki-kun: I just siggested to use cmd ``root'' raher than ``sudo gainroot'' Jan 14 06:37:07 naptime Jan 14 06:37:10 mikki-kun, sitting on my computer somehere. probably not useful to you. it is quite close to stock kernel Jan 14 06:37:44 hm, why does root give me a root-sh? Jan 14 06:37:57 where does this magic come from? Jan 14 06:37:58 mikki-kun, i only patched pptp and nat support Jan 14 06:38:38 mikki-kun: root ^= su -l root ; sudo gainroot ^= su Jan 14 06:38:39 i don't want you files trumee, just wanted to know where i could download them so i can have a glimpse at them and compile them if i wanted to :) Jan 14 06:38:48 so there is su?! Jan 14 06:39:15 no but it's simulated by sudo and the script gainroot and root Jan 14 06:39:19 mikki-kun, you can get the kernel source from repo? Jan 14 06:39:41 mikki-kun, i dont have any special code. Jan 14 06:40:06 root will give you a login shell, while sudo gainroot simply changes user but keeps env Jan 14 06:40:42 hm... is this package called kernel-power-source trumee? :) Jan 14 06:41:21 mikki-kun: it's not nice to place things like .less-hist and whatnot into ~user, that have owner root and aren't deletable by user Jan 14 06:41:25 it doesn't exactly change your user from what i experienced... Jan 14 06:41:44 * trumee did kernel compile quite some time ago. doesnt remember the details :( Jan 14 06:41:50