**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 17 02:59:57 2011 Jan 17 03:00:26 chx: it kinda makes you wish somebody would throw that sorta effort at a nice architechture... the results would be amazing Jan 17 03:01:57 nox-: i dunno, they wanted a CPU that could perform with a sane wattage envelope that they went back 10+ years in time tweaked it and relaunched as Atom. Jan 17 03:02:26 heh Jan 17 03:02:54 I always had doubts of Intel's capabilities as a true innovator but the Atom proved it .... if the Itanic didnt. Jan 17 03:03:15 Itanic LOL Jan 17 03:03:48 Dvorak is often full of shit http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2339629,00.asp but this is golden Jan 17 03:05:59 does anybody actually know how scalable ARM is? i mean, would it be possible for somebody with sufficient resources to design an ARM core that competes with modern x86 in performance terms? Jan 17 03:06:25 http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/browse_thread/thread/52238e697177fa52/1d3f87d07be3797f?pli=1 it wasnt me who came up with Itanic.... Jan 17 03:07:41 d'aww, mac fanbois bashing Intel Jan 17 03:07:46 kidna feel sorry for them Jan 17 03:08:56 "The next level was the basement, in fact. Hopefully Intel won't come up with any more bright ideas like the Itanium. We can't afford to excavate another level down." Jan 17 03:09:46 well, in fact, the Atom was -- but , this time, people quickly realized it's a pos and the netbook became a dud esp with the ipad on top... Jan 17 03:10:24 The atom was an awesome chip. Jan 17 03:10:34 The chipsets to go with it however, blew. Jan 17 03:10:52 If the chipsets were as good as the atom, things would have looked a bit different now Jan 17 03:13:52 >>It took us to the next level. But we didn't know that the next level was below us, not above. The next level was the basement, in fact.<< X-D Jan 17 03:14:30 Yes. Told you that article is golden :D Jan 17 03:16:34 ""yesterday we stood at the edge to abyss. Today we are one step ahead"" Jan 17 03:17:13 very popular saying here in Germany Jan 17 03:26:27 Really? Jan 17 03:26:44 I thought that was a Hungarian joke about socialism and capitalism. Jan 17 03:38:51 i think that one is said all around the world lol Jan 17 03:49:18 Does anyone happen to know if there is a nice way to turn the flashlight on from shell? Jan 17 03:49:50 I vaguely recall some hack I did with v4lctl Jan 17 03:54:37 Heh. I'm now a card-carrying member of the N900 Hardware Hackers club. http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/images/IMGP2700-small.jpeg Jan 17 03:55:03 Surprisingly enough, it works. Jan 17 03:56:04 what is that?? Jan 17 03:57:32 SpeedEvil: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=556387 Jan 17 03:57:34 It's a jumper wire going from the + terminal of the main battery to the + terminal of the backup battery(now replaced with a capacitor) Jan 17 03:58:36 For... Certain Reasons, my backup battery wasn't working at all, even after I replaced it with a capacitor. Now, it'll keep the time with the main battery out for a few seconds, at least. Jan 17 03:58:45 RobbieThe1st: :) Jan 17 03:59:54 Provided that cap holds 4V without dying... I'll be fine. Jan 17 04:15:09 SpeedEvil: I2Cset? Jan 17 04:16:33 RobbieThe1st: err what?? a wire? Jan 17 04:17:17 Yea. Aand a now missing contact on the board where the battery's + terminal was -supposed- to go.. <_< Jan 17 04:17:33 form $.2V main bat plus, to a contact of GAIA that's supposed to operate at MAX 3V Jan 17 04:18:08 No, no worry about that - That's my problem - the contact to GAIA doesn't exist any more. Jan 17 04:18:39 I... wasn't carefull enough when putting the cap on, and managed to pull the contact off the board. Jan 17 04:18:45 MEH Jan 17 04:19:13 sounds as odd as it can get Jan 17 04:19:34 Yes. But it's better than nothing. Jan 17 04:19:55 nope, I guess it's as useless as nothing Jan 17 04:20:39 Let me just say this: Before, when I pulled out the main battery, the clock instantly reset(nothing to power it). Now, it at least lasts long enough for me to put in a new battery Jan 17 04:20:45 what's that capacitor supposed to do then? Power the whole device, via main battery + contact?, I don't think that can pan out Jan 17 04:20:59 With the device off, it will. Jan 17 04:21:09 hmm Jan 17 04:21:24 I'm guessing it has something to do with the RTC working at a lower voltage than the rest of the device... Jan 17 04:21:41 possibly Jan 17 04:24:34 nevertheless I'd connect plus of backup battery to C4257 instead of hooking it up to main battery plus Jan 17 04:24:45 I couldn't find it. Jan 17 04:24:56 where's the problem? Jan 17 04:25:21 I found that cap on the schematic, but I couldn't find it on the PCB layout diagram. Jan 17 04:27:10 * pahartik would want Nokia N900 to suspend-to-disk when battery is low or user requests for that Jan 17 04:28:23 Is there a way to write to the phone's microphone device? I'd like to playback some music, for example, in a phone conversation. Jan 17 04:28:30 Hm... that could use part of the swap partition I assume... Though I'm not sure how much power it would take to write that much data.. Jan 17 04:29:07 it's M8, component side, next to L4202 Jan 17 04:30:35 left to C4205 Jan 17 04:31:05 1 sec, let me pull up the diagram Jan 17 04:31:48 Which page? 16 or 17? Jan 17 04:31:55 16 Jan 17 04:32:04 DocScrutinizer: I vaguely remember I2c is awkward, as you have to unload modules that will break the camera Jan 17 04:32:17 :nod: Jan 17 04:32:29 And which grid location? Jan 17 04:32:40 the notorious i2c occupied issue Jan 17 04:32:44 M( Jan 17 04:32:48 M8 Jan 17 04:34:59 Thanks. Jan 17 04:35:49 yw Jan 17 04:36:12 I guess you know how to decide which side of that C is "hot" Jan 17 04:36:46 I think one's ground, so I could just check continuity.. Jan 17 04:37:10 yep, with a very-low-voltage meter Jan 17 04:37:56 ..I'm going to have to get/find myself some -very- thin wire; it's going to have to be routed around one corner of the camera module, and then half way across the board again on the other side.. Jan 17 04:39:13 yep, then even inside the can, thru some hole I think to be founf in a corner next to the C Jan 17 04:40:11 Sounds intense, what are you guys doing? Jan 17 04:40:34 very thin wire anyway isn't that hard to find. I got some insanely thin copper-varnish wire here 0.05mm dia Jan 17 04:41:05 www.conrad.de 607509 Jan 17 04:41:32 I'd recommend 0.15mm though Jan 17 04:42:40 why not replace the battery? Jan 17 04:43:26 too simple Jan 17 04:44:05 err, he did Jan 17 04:44:14 read backscroll Jan 17 04:44:44 replaced by goldcap aiui Jan 17 04:46:06 Aand I wasn't thinking when I did so, and managed to break off the + contact on the board Jan 17 04:46:24 pad came off Jan 17 04:46:36 quite usual Jan 17 04:47:38 too high or too low temp of iron, too much force applied -> damage done Jan 17 04:48:49 BTW, what temp should I have my iron? I've been using it around 325C Jan 17 04:49:13 (I've got a temp-controlled 60w chinese unit) Jan 17 04:51:38 little bit too warm Jan 17 04:52:46 melting point of 60/40 solder is under 200C Jan 17 04:53:02 and going a lot above that is pointless Jan 17 04:53:42 btw, why around cam module? I'd route the wire around the PCB edge next to power button, behind B2B-connector, to golden RF test connector marked (4) and then bend to left and down the trench between the 2 cans and straight into the can next to your destination Jan 17 04:54:09 jacekowski: this isn't 60/40 though. RoHS Jan 17 04:54:39 well, it's still too warm Jan 17 04:54:42 morning Jan 17 04:54:48 rohs stuff melts at under 250C Jan 17 04:54:49 mo moh Jan 17 04:54:57 that reminds me Jan 17 04:55:00 i have to go to sleep Jan 17 04:55:02 good night Jan 17 04:55:04 Alright... I'll try 270C next time.. Jan 17 04:55:10 Night jacekowski Jan 17 04:55:12 I'd suggest 300 Jan 17 04:55:18 Ok. Jan 17 04:55:20 for desoldering Jan 17 04:55:43 270 for soldering might work ok Jan 17 04:56:17 oh yay, soldering talk Jan 17 04:56:20 Alright, I'll try that. Jan 17 04:56:56 don't forget acid free flux, for soldering Jan 17 04:57:47 Dunno about that; I've got my 60/40 Radioshack-branded solder, and a tub of radio-shack flux.. Jan 17 04:57:59 *cough* Jan 17 04:58:03 I -think- the 60/40 rozin-core solder is acid-free Jan 17 04:58:40 I thought radioshack went bankrupt and closed down Jan 17 04:58:58 On a related matter - anyone happen to know how to call the camera from shell? Jan 17 04:59:19 gstreamer? Jan 17 04:59:21 Nope; they are around still... Though they don't sell that much in the way of parts; far more cellphones and toys than bits. Jan 17 04:59:23 liquid activated resin flux should be fine. Never use cheap flux that's not clearly marked as use for electronic Jan 17 04:59:37 MohammadAG51: naah - I mean the proper UI Jan 17 04:59:48 SpeedEvil, good luck with that Jan 17 04:59:57 hmm Jan 17 05:00:03 maemo-invoker maybe Jan 17 05:00:52 hmm Jan 17 05:01:01 camera-ui looks promising Jan 17 05:01:08 Hm. I can't find my disasembly guide; How will I be removing the can and then replacing it? Jan 17 05:01:23 (metal cover over those components) Jan 17 05:01:23 Surjikal, doesn't work Jan 17 05:01:26 but it just hangs for a couple of seconds and then closes. I'm looking at the trace now. Jan 17 05:01:34 RobbieThe1st: caaaarefully ;-) Jan 17 05:01:48 Fair enough. Jan 17 05:02:10 And, what, solder it back into place if needed? :P Jan 17 05:02:31 RobbieThe1st: you'll need a pinpoint very smal knife, and open up one latch after the other. A tedious task that easily takes 20min Jan 17 05:02:57 Alright. Jan 17 05:04:09 which reminds me Jan 17 05:04:22 how do I start image-viewer from terminal? Jan 17 05:04:23 it's a snap-on lid, with ~80 latches. Don't worrky too much about the lid, you can bend it into shape after opening Jan 17 05:05:40 you need to be really careful though not to pry off other components when opening the lid Jan 17 05:05:57 I'll try to remember that. Jan 17 05:06:11 well, that particular lid looks easy Jan 17 05:06:33 it's large, and easily accessable from at least 2 sides Jan 17 05:07:10 I think it has been the easiest one to open Jan 17 05:09:03 That's good. Jan 17 05:13:20 RobbieThe1st, flasher (on-device binary) can be used to flash an N900 from another one Jan 17 05:13:36 using h-e-n Jan 17 05:14:19 think I tested it by sending the MeeGo kernel to my device from a classmate's Jan 17 05:14:25 Oh. Cool Jan 17 05:14:31 you may want to cover solder points and contacts nearby C4257 hot end with some solder stop varnish, so you don't have too much problem removing the inevitable solder blobs ;-) Jan 17 05:14:48 you know Jan 17 05:14:58 What does kernel_power_flasher use? Jan 17 05:15:02 as much as the N9 might suck (hardware-wise) Jan 17 05:15:15 umm, do-kernel-update or sth Jan 17 05:15:16 sec Jan 17 05:15:48 fiasco-image-update Jan 17 05:16:06 Interesting Jan 17 05:16:25 actually Jan 17 05:16:32 that's just a script for flasher Jan 17 05:17:03 Kindly supply at least one image. Thank you. - BioShock reference anyone? Jan 17 05:18:44 RobbieThe1st: for opening the lid, you want to start at a corner, gently pushing up the latches on both sides from corner up and left. It will snap back a 20 times until you got the first 6 latches free, then it gets much easier Jan 17 05:19:29 I'll try to remember that. Or just come in here when I'm about to do it.. Jan 17 05:19:38 yw Jan 17 05:21:39 MohammadAG51: bioshock? a terrorist website? Jan 17 05:22:20 video game, the guy talking to you always says "Kindy do xxyy" Jan 17 05:22:26 Kindly* Jan 17 05:22:36 meh Jan 17 05:22:37 Well. Moo. Jan 17 05:22:42 Mohammad, Doc, hello Jan 17 05:22:42 ~moo Jan 17 05:22:44 * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass Jan 17 05:23:25 lolwut Jan 17 05:23:27 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_%28negative%29 Jan 17 05:23:29 hey RST38h Jan 17 05:24:40 Could "telepathy-stream-engine" be used to play back audio on a cellular phone call? Jan 17 05:26:00 hmm Jan 17 05:28:57 Im able to record cellular calls, but I can't figure out how to actually play back audio. Has this been done before? Jan 17 05:30:04 I seem to recall the question has been asked before. I guess that doesn't help Jan 17 05:30:50 I was probably the one asking heh. I guess I'll poke around some more. Jan 17 05:31:35 umm, there's a thing called tonegen, somewhere in alsa/PA, that probably generates DTMF audio and plays this to GSM modem "mic" input Jan 17 05:32:11 I'd guess you could playback arbitrary sounds same way Jan 17 05:33:17 at least meego sources might have tonegen Jan 17 05:33:54 check http://meego.gitorious.org/ Jan 17 05:34:03 That is exactly the kind of info I was looking for, thanks you very much! Jan 17 05:34:09 yw Jan 17 05:34:31 please share your findings, I'm interested in that topic as well Jan 17 05:34:39 Will do Jan 17 05:35:39 My ultimate goal is to create a software voice mail, that way I can dodge my provider's rediculous fee. Jan 17 05:44:13 funny how it just woks on symbian Jan 17 05:47:26 wtf, apt-worker-thread eaten up 4:00.000 of CPU time, and running Jan 17 05:48:58 nuke it Jan 17 05:49:44 what is the best cell phone to get with the meamo or meego OS? Jan 17 05:49:51 it indeed finished :-P Jan 17 05:49:57 I intend to keep my phone for the next four years or so :^) Jan 17 05:50:18 N900, the best and only Jan 17 05:50:59 DocScrutinizer: hmm... are the specs of the n900 still strong.. n900 came out late 2009, didn't it? Jan 17 05:51:16 yes, and yes Jan 17 05:51:44 Umm Jan 17 05:51:49 DocScrutinizer: I was hoping for a phone capacitive screen.. though it looks like the resistive screen isn't too bad.. Jan 17 05:51:57 if you want a 4 year device Jan 17 05:52:09 You wouldn't complain about a year old one :P Jan 17 05:52:28 but you should buy 2 of them then :-D Jan 17 05:53:13 notslad: I prefer this r-ts over any c-ts plus hotdog for stylus Jan 17 05:53:16 lol Jan 17 05:53:28 MohammadAG51: hehe.. I've had my current phone since 2006 :^) I want to make sure my next one will last just as long :^) Jan 17 05:54:19 if only I could last that long :P Jan 17 05:54:28 well, when treated with love, N900 can last at least one year - evidently Jan 17 05:54:54 MohammadAG51: itz hard... everyone showing me all sorts of fancy features and all this nifty stuff they can do with their new phones year after year.. :^) Jan 17 05:54:57 unless you got a lemon Jan 17 05:55:20 pff Jan 17 05:55:26 Hah Jan 17 05:55:38 has anyone tried to port meego or meamo to the n8? :^) Jan 17 05:55:49 nope Jan 17 05:55:59 wouldn't even attempt to Jan 17 05:56:11 and will never be ported Jan 17 05:56:13 640x360 Jan 17 05:56:28 symbian =/= linux Jan 17 05:56:33 so? Jan 17 05:56:44 ... Jan 17 05:56:49 that's not exactly a limitation Jan 17 05:57:01 you're not running one in the other Jan 17 05:57:13 hehe, funny idea though Jan 17 05:57:21 it's like saying mac =/= windows Jan 17 05:58:16 yeah but that is still a cellphone... not a PC where you press a button on the keyboard, and select something else drive to boot from Jan 17 05:58:33 ups the N8 also lacks of that too Jan 17 05:59:18 no kb is not a limitation either Jan 17 05:59:28 in theory, you can port it Jan 17 05:59:58 in practice, the symbian community is noobish Jan 17 06:00:25 * notslad just read that the n9 will be running Symbian :^( Jan 17 06:00:44 I really wish Nokia would give up on this "we support both Symbian and Meamo" business.. Jan 17 06:00:51 but thatz probably already been said here before.. Jan 17 06:02:36 you shouldn't bother that much about random reads, esp from the interwebs Jan 17 06:02:53 N9? Symbian? bullshit? yep Jan 17 06:02:55 :) Jan 17 06:03:12 that's the E7, commonly referred to as the N9 Jan 17 06:03:14 what N9 btw ;-P Jan 17 06:03:26 RM-680 Jan 17 06:03:27 Here, i have a bridge to sell to you if you believe that Jan 17 06:03:48 sorry, already have a bridge here Jan 17 06:03:50 A fortess here Jan 17 06:04:03 I think I'd prefer a fortress.. I like stability in my applications Jan 17 06:04:05 ;^) Jan 17 06:04:06 nice one, MohammadAG51 knows it Jan 17 06:04:06 i called it the Golden Gate Jan 17 06:04:55 hmmm... http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n9-3398.php says the N9 is rumoured to come out in 2011... Jan 17 06:05:01 :P Jan 17 06:05:24 2011 ends in 11+ months Jan 17 06:05:26 that's a char swap, they meant 2101 Jan 17 06:05:34 and gsmarena is bullshit Jan 17 06:05:41 it's not a snapdragon Jan 17 06:06:05 it's an omap Jan 17 06:06:26 probably OMAP3 Jan 17 06:06:28 I read a fantastic review on the N8 that was written as if the N8 was released in 2008 :) Jan 17 06:06:39 meh, don't spam the chan - this site isn't worth a comment Jan 17 06:06:56 the vkb on pr1.2 is very crsppy Jan 17 06:06:57 sry.. just trying to seperate fact from fiction :^) Jan 17 06:07:02 crappy grr Jan 17 06:07:14 anyone here familiar with Sandy Bridge? Jan 17 06:07:26 depends Jan 17 06:07:32 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226095 says compatible with P67 chipset; any reason it wouldn't work with H67? Jan 17 06:08:01 the memory controller is in the CPU, if it's DDR3 it'll work Jan 17 06:08:13 good point Jan 17 06:08:30 * luke-jr gives Mushkin a weird look for only listing P67 Jan 17 06:09:37 time for a walk to the shop, before that evil daystar rises Jan 17 06:12:59 so yeah , hackers and vampires are not that different.... Jan 17 06:13:34 chx: except in their diet Jan 17 06:13:49 chx: ... unless the vampire *is* a hacker.. Jan 17 06:13:53 you mean, you do not live on blood? Jan 17 06:14:39 * notslad doesn't want to admit that he's only a script kiddie Jan 17 06:14:53 lol Jan 17 06:19:13 ha Jan 17 06:20:45 lol.. reviewers can't seem to make up their mind about the N9.. some say it is a replacement for the N900 and others for the N8... I guess it all depends on where you're coming from Jan 17 06:21:16 tet Jan 17 06:21:28 i- in out yet? Jan 17 06:21:33 is* Jan 17 06:32:59 loft306: if you're asking if the n9 is out yet, it isn't... I just found a website spreading rumours that it *might* launch next month during the Mobile World Conference Jan 17 06:33:09 loft306: ... based on a tweet Jan 17 06:33:14 :) Jan 17 06:34:22 loft306: course, you can by the Chinese knockoff for ~$110(US) if you wanted... Jan 17 06:34:53 haha that would prob get seized by customs for wo fcc cert Jan 17 06:35:01 no Jan 17 06:35:17 I don't know.. it looks like they just mimicked the looks.. Jan 17 06:35:35 they got goood here in milwakkee seiving the knock off ipads Jan 17 06:35:44 seizing Jan 17 06:36:00 well, no, in fact the Chinese have in finished Meego and released the real N9 just noone believes them Jan 17 06:36:06 yeah was junt looking at it Jan 17 06:37:08 good morning Jan 17 06:38:37 anyone know if Meego need to be jailbroken to get to the command prompt? Jan 17 06:38:49 Termana: hello Jan 17 06:39:45 notslad: depends on what the handset vendor does/carrier tosses on top Jan 17 06:44:02 well.. time for me to go unconscious.. Jan 17 06:44:07 it was nicing ranting with everyone... Jan 17 06:44:09 l8r :^) Jan 17 07:08:15 hey, i installed multiboot and now i cant get power kernel to install again Jan 17 07:08:30 how can i manually install it Jan 17 07:21:56 multiboot is "installing" kernels on every single boot - that's why it's *deprecated*. To get a kernel into multiboot you have to install it to multiboot infrastructure, you must not simply install a new kernel as that most of the times means you'll have to reflash ( - that's why multiboot is *deprecated* ;-P ) Jan 17 07:23:21 there's power kernel with uBoot, which IMHO is a much better concept than multiboot Jan 17 07:26:53 while multiboot basically does "swap the HDD of your PC", uBoot is a true sane bootloader-menu and allows you to boot into optional partitions and storage devices, instead of swapping the content of the one booting storage Jan 17 07:28:47 pester nitdridiot folks to adapt their booting scheme to uBoot rather than force users to use a nasty dangerous hack for booting their OS Jan 17 07:31:04 I'm temped to remark that's in line with general android mindset - they never did nor do they now bother too much about coexistence with other OS Jan 17 07:35:50 you're aware each time you're booting, multiboot flashes the kernel to same location on NAND, and unlike eMMC and even root ubifs, that kernel partiton neither has any wear leveling nor does it cope exactly good with too many worn out blocks. And we all know flash storage has a limited number of write cycles until burnout Jan 17 07:40:20 MohammadAG51: what's up with your alter ego? what's about #mhd Jan 17 07:40:44 DocScrutinizer, ZNC is offline for some reason Jan 17 07:40:51 o.O Jan 17 07:40:54 so i'm only on #maemo till it's back Jan 17 07:41:29 hmm Jan 17 07:41:36 is the ##mhd link gone? Jan 17 07:41:40 you got better latency with that other ZNC server? Jan 17 07:41:54 shouldn't Jan 17 07:41:59 it is Jan 17 07:42:05 nah Jan 17 07:49:17 DocScrutinizer, didn't work as expected Jan 17 07:49:22 says invite only Jan 17 07:49:28 :-S Jan 17 07:49:46 how's that fsckng forward syntax? Jan 17 07:51:24 can't find it Jan 17 07:51:31 ask in #freenode i guess Jan 17 07:55:05 DocScrutinizer: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml Jan 17 07:58:04 works again Jan 17 07:58:31 freenode seems to have the annoying habit to reset +i +f Jan 17 08:01:02 >.< I weep for humanity. I was just handed a php script someone made to stick on our site. It's fairly simple, getting stats from a MySQL DB. The author is supposed to be "majoring in this stuff", and yet he DIDN'T BOTHER TO VALIDATE POST INPUT. Which means that a sql-injection attack would be trivial. Jan 17 08:01:57 I haven't taken a single PHP class, and I know enough not to do that.. Jan 17 08:02:09 yoh Jan 17 08:42:46 hey guys Jan 17 08:42:53 i know ths is not a place to ask Jan 17 08:43:08 but my n900s brightness is very low Jan 17 08:43:13 i can hardly see anything Jan 17 08:43:21 i dont know how this happened Jan 17 08:46:03 the obvious question hangs in the air Jan 17 08:51:30 hi Jan 17 08:51:53 anyone an idea how to speed up the application management app, searching for updates? Jan 17 08:52:05 it takes like 2 minutes or more :S Jan 17 08:53:58 the best way is to stop using it and install fapman instead Jan 17 08:54:16 aha thanks. never heared of that Jan 17 08:55:02 somehow i cant install anything from the console anymore as well. something about failing to get a lock, while im root Jan 17 08:55:23 you need to have the app manager closed Jan 17 08:55:31 and it needs to not be automatically checking for updates Jan 17 08:55:54 any physics geeks here? Jan 17 08:55:59 ok thanks Jan 17 08:56:12 MohammadAG51, what kinda level physics? Jan 17 08:56:37 electron volts to joules Jan 17 08:56:50 can't remember the equation I need :P Jan 17 08:59:08 MohammadAG51: YFGI? :) Jan 17 08:59:30 hmm Jan 17 08:59:35 ~wtf YGFI Jan 17 08:59:36 Gee... I don't know what YGFI means... Jan 17 08:59:44 :P Jan 17 08:59:54 ~wtf YFGI Jan 17 08:59:56 Gee... I don't know what YFGI means... Jan 17 09:00:35 ah, V = eV * 1.6x10^19 Jan 17 09:00:47 J* Jan 17 09:06:22 i have a linux based c++ app i wrote. How can I compile it to run on maemo/n900? Jan 17 09:06:51 ~maemosdk Jan 17 09:06:51 [maemosdk] http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation Jan 17 09:07:03 http://www.wolframalpha.com/ Jan 17 09:07:20 ~yfgi Jan 17 09:07:59 ~yfgi is you fucking google it Jan 17 09:07:59 DocScrutinizer51: please, watch your language. Jan 17 09:08:14 lol Jan 17 09:09:10 ~rtfm Jan 17 09:09:11 rumour has it, rtfm is Read The F*cking Manual (TM). It is a suggestion to do your homework before posting a question. Sometimes used as RTFM $SPECIFIC_MANUAL to refer to a specific source of information. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM Jan 17 09:09:21 tzzz Jan 17 09:09:34 someone tried maemo on qemu? Jan 17 09:09:35 DocScrutinizer, please google it for me Jan 17 09:09:57 DocScrutinizer, aren't you here to help others out? Jan 17 09:10:10 I dont think it is a bad thing to google for someone else Jan 17 09:10:11 no Jan 17 09:10:30 ok, then kindly please shut yourself up Jan 17 09:10:43 thank you Jan 17 09:11:05 he wasn't even talking to you Jan 17 09:11:34 ~maemosdk Jan 17 09:11:35 maemosdk is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation Jan 17 09:11:48 reeniginEesreveR: piss off, nobody invited you into a convo between me and MohammadAG51 Jan 17 09:11:49 read that Jan 17 09:12:03 Thnks MohammadAG51 Jan 17 09:12:15 DocScrutinizer, i thought you were telling me to rtfm Jan 17 09:12:55 I politely asked a question and the response i got was RTFM Jan 17 09:14:17 naturally i' feel insulted Jan 17 09:14:21 what makes you think you got any response?? Jan 17 09:14:26 does anyone else have problems with libconic, i my callbacks are never called :/ Jan 17 09:15:08 so i cant check if it actually connected the phone to the internet or not.. Jan 17 09:15:11 maybe you should see the chat log above and see when i joined in asked the question and you responded. Jan 17 09:15:13 :P Jan 17 09:15:40 you had no exclusive lease on that channel Jan 17 09:16:40 hm, some repository is quite slow to update Jan 17 09:16:54 or should i ask, is libconic's wiki page up to date? Jan 17 09:16:56 itll be devel, if you have it enabled Jan 17 09:21:01 MohammadAG51, is it possible to run gcc on n900 itself? Jan 17 09:22:56 hm, so nobody uses libconic? Jan 17 09:28:45 hm cool. chromium works on n900 Jan 17 09:30:34 seems that overclocking is not enabled anymore with the power kernel? Jan 17 09:52:11 reeniginEesreveR, yes Jan 17 09:52:21 though I highly suggest using a chroot Jan 17 09:52:28 as / is only 256MBs Jan 17 10:19:44 Am I missing something, or is Maps really written in JavaScript? Jan 17 10:21:58 RST38h: yep. XulRunner + JavaSCript foo. Really ugly. Also, all the widgets are customl, i.e. no system widgets which makes it a pain to update. Jan 17 10:24:09 muellisoft: holy shit, no wonder it is slow and a memory hog =( Jan 17 10:24:30 But it probably also means the Maps UI can be modified? =) Jan 17 10:40:02 hi im downloading linux cause qt creator in windows is giving me problems but was wondering which is the best linux disto 2 download debain or ubuntu Jan 17 10:40:44 cause apperntly ubunutu 10.04 has some kinda issue on the wiki Jan 17 10:41:03 best linux? depends on what you need and want to do with it Jan 17 10:41:10 and your use Jan 17 10:41:15 and many other things :) Jan 17 10:41:24 if you're new to *nix and are using it on a desktop, ubuntu is likely to be your best start Jan 17 10:41:32 ya i know Jan 17 10:41:39 but on wiki Jan 17 10:41:51 it says 10.04 has some issuies Jan 17 10:41:55 10.04 isn't the more recent versions Jan 17 10:41:58 with scratchbox Jan 17 10:42:12 scratchbox have issue everywhere :) Jan 17 10:42:20 10.10 is the current release afaik Jan 17 10:42:21 lol okay Jan 17 10:42:30 ya i have that downloaded Jan 17 10:42:48 why not go gentoo? only thing needed there is the ability to read and follow the rules :) Jan 17 10:42:51 see im trying to port one qt app to maemo5 Jan 17 10:43:11 yeah the main problem with reading the rules is that theyre like 459864590 pages long Jan 17 10:43:18 ive used ubuntu for a while i was just figuring which was best for scratchbox Jan 17 10:44:10 nidO: you seem to have gotten the wrong pages then... baseinstall of gentoo can be done in 15 minutes Jan 17 10:44:18 qtwiiter wont seem to build cause the lib qoauth Jan 17 10:44:35 mikki-kun: base install is base ... Jan 17 10:44:40 isnt there but i know there is an libqoauth Jan 17 10:44:46 mikki-kun: it s a long step for a new user Jan 17 10:45:17 im good with ubuntu goona do that Jan 17 10:45:27 thanks for the help Jan 17 10:46:17 which is better qt creator or maemo5 sdk? Jan 17 10:46:23 even the instructions for a base install are about 15 pages long these days, this compares to "keep clicking yes" for something like ubuntu Jan 17 10:46:44 the install guide I have for gentoo is 1/3 of an A4 Jan 17 10:46:46 derp Jan 17 10:47:16 and a gentoo install can be kicked off with 1 command and you can just walk away. no need todo anything else Jan 17 10:48:48 Naib: yep but maintainning the system is time consuming Jan 17 10:48:55 no not really Jan 17 10:48:55 hey guys im burning ubunutu 10.10 so im good with the distos Jan 17 10:49:07 emerge --sync && emerge @world -uvDNa Jan 17 10:49:14 Naib: it s more than usual distro Jan 17 10:49:25 and browse while that work Jan 17 10:49:34 Naib: and you have 1 chance on 5 to break something Jan 17 10:49:51 I have had more issues keeping this NUbuntu box at work working then I do the 5 gentoo boxes I have Jan 17 10:50:04 Naib: yeah ... ubuntu :) Jan 17 10:50:05 khertan_: usually libs break on bin-based like ubuntu, gentoo resolves them via emerge Jan 17 10:50:15 * khertan use a debian stable Jan 17 10:50:43 lenny's always sooo late ): Jan 17 10:50:56 mikki-kun: yeah most ubuntu problem are bin-based ... Jan 17 10:51:21 why nit recommend then debian? Jan 17 10:51:44 ive been meaning to do this been trying 2 get rid of windows7 but i had all my files on it with nowhere to backup but the shrink util actually worked so now i can install ubuntu yay! Jan 17 10:51:50 lol Debian.... want mysql4 depending on mysql5 DERP Jan 17 10:52:10 Naib: ? Jan 17 10:52:38 sig^: yep late but stable Jan 17 10:52:42 squeeze is recent Jan 17 10:52:47 and almost stable Jan 17 10:52:54 testing Jan 17 10:52:59 kerio: testing Jan 17 10:53:07 brb got to install the linux Jan 17 10:53:09 yeah, but it's been frozen Jan 17 10:53:17 kerio : indeed Jan 17 10:53:20 "they" say squeeze is almost frozen Jan 17 10:56:25 mikki-kun: about break last time it was bin based ... but thing not implemented in the source code of a lib Jan 17 10:56:48 mikki-kun: some thing having segfault Jan 17 10:56:59 hm, i installed multiboot power-kernel, but im affraid my n900 not booting anymore :( Jan 17 10:57:13 mikki-kun: but i'm far to be an expert on gentoo :) Jan 17 10:57:20 mikki-kun: more a simple user : Jan 17 10:57:21 :) Jan 17 10:57:36 segfault is bad :) Jan 17 10:58:08 mikki-kun: and too be honest i ve see the difference on my old pc, but now with the new config i didn't see one Jan 17 10:58:36 phrearch: what did you do and how come you are afraid of your n900 not booting anymore Jan 17 10:58:39 ? Jan 17 10:59:24 mikki-kun: i installed multi-boot-power from devel, and i end up in a white n900 bootscreen without offering any options to boot in Jan 17 10:59:45 devel Jan 17 10:59:47 aaah ok Jan 17 10:59:50 phrearch: did you try to boot it with your keyboard closed? Jan 17 11:00:07 ehm, checking Jan 17 11:00:24 and afair multiboot is not anymore the best solution Jan 17 11:00:33 hm oops Jan 17 11:00:45 hope i dont have a brick now :) Jan 17 11:00:49 you wanted nitdroid running? Jan 17 11:00:59 well, yea or meego. Jan 17 11:01:38 is there any way i can undo this? Jan 17 11:01:42 hello. i want to try the debian version of mozilla-plugin-vlc on my N900. anyone know how to get it? Jan 17 11:01:48 should have thought about that before i started hehe Jan 17 11:01:56 TheJ: download it Jan 17 11:01:56 uboot is currently in development, but the guys are thinking on a better way of doing that stuff as the NAND where the bootkernel gets written to can at some point break.. Jan 17 11:02:07 tried apt-get Jan 17 11:02:12 didnt work Jan 17 11:02:18 well it's not in maemo repo.. Jan 17 11:02:34 phrearch: i am not sure of the procedure in total, but you could flash the kernel only as in *searching* Jan 17 11:02:51 TheJ: if its from debian you need to get it from debian.. Jan 17 11:02:57 http://packages.debian.org/unstable/graphics/mozilla-plugin-vlc Jan 17 11:03:07 armel 1.1.3-1squeeze Jan 17 11:03:11 Good luck... Jan 17 11:03:14 phrearch: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_only_the_kernel_from_a_FIASCO_image (but read the whole page there) Jan 17 11:03:18 hm, if i press 0 in the bootmenu it returns an error: cant flash kernel, required files not found Jan 17 11:03:42 thanks Jan 17 11:04:19 hm, but i cant access the device Jan 17 11:04:25 ill read up Jan 17 11:04:54 phrearch: beware though, it could in a worst-case scenario render your rootfs flashed Jan 17 11:05:29 btw, when you boot up, do you see the nokia-logo? Jan 17 11:05:31 thanks appiah :) Jan 17 11:05:40 Heh. I went to what used to be my local Nokia Care authorized repair shop. They said Nokia has cancelled all repair shops in the country, and that you now have to send it directly to the repair center. However, they are not permitted to tell you the name and address of the repair center, and the repair center does not accept devices shipped by end users anyway. wtf :) Jan 17 11:05:41 mikki-kun: yes Jan 17 11:07:40 ShadowJK: call headquarters in finland and tell them they f'd up in the country you live in :) Jan 17 11:07:56 mikki-kun, yeah, I'm in finland.. Jan 17 11:08:13 If they fuck up their home country I can't imagine what they're doing abroad :) Jan 17 11:08:25 ShadowJK: mitä helvetiä?! Ö.ö Jan 17 11:08:43 ShadowJK: Jan 17 11:08:45 ShadowJK: lol Jan 17 11:08:58 hi all :) Jan 17 11:09:09 hm, probably should dl pr 1.3 ? Jan 17 11:09:14 global? Jan 17 11:09:22 (im located in the netherlands) Jan 17 11:09:23 please tell me if Claws mail on the N900 supports IMAP-IDLE Jan 17 11:09:27 Oh actually, looks like SCF does accept private individuals mailing in their broken devices... but I had to search forums to find out who has the nokia repair now Jan 17 11:09:35 ShadowJK: still i'd call headquarters especially then and tell them what the heck are they up to with doing so... Jan 17 11:09:37 phellarv, global works on everything Jan 17 11:09:53 mikki-kun, I already sent a mail through that Contact nokia thing on their website.. Jan 17 11:10:05 good :) Jan 17 11:10:07 hm, and flasher for linux requires an ancient libusb :( Jan 17 11:10:18 The store I went to said they can send it in for me, but since I didn't buy it from them (I bought it from Nokia), they'll have to charge me extra Jan 17 11:10:52 the docs say i should both flash eMMC and FIASCO Jan 17 11:11:09 phrearch: you don't have to Jan 17 11:11:23 FIASCO is for the rootfs Jan 17 11:11:38 which pr had you running so far? Jan 17 11:11:53 1.3 Jan 17 11:11:54 phrearch: "maemo-flasher-3.5" requires x86 Linux... Which is not good at all... Jan 17 11:12:14 hm, no 64 bit version? Jan 17 11:13:16 It only needs libc and libusb.. Jan 17 11:13:31 * ShadowJK ran it on his Fedora Core 64 bit after installing some x86 package Jan 17 11:13:32 s Jan 17 11:13:34 phrearch: No PowerPC, ARM, Alpha, SPARC, MIPS, [...] binary Jan 17 11:14:03 I think there's an arm binary Jan 17 11:14:09 ShadowJK: it asks for a particular libusb version. Did you compile that manually? Jan 17 11:14:10 iirc someone flashed their N900 from their other N900 Jan 17 11:14:28 Apparently my antiquated version of fedora had that version Jan 17 11:15:11 i am running the most up to date libusb-version Jan 17 11:16:15 I seem to have libusb-0.1.12-20 Jan 17 11:16:45 incompatible application package for the mozilla-plugin-vlc :( Jan 17 11:16:59 ShadowJK: Not at "http://tablets-dev.nokia.com.ipv6.sixxs.org/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php" Jan 17 11:17:36 ah, it's preinstalled on N900 ;D Jan 17 11:17:53 ehm maemo flasher 3.5.2.5.22 ? Jan 17 11:18:52 2.8.2.1 it seems Jan 17 11:19:06 Oh wow, flasher-3.0 was available in amd64 version Jan 17 11:19:09 * ShadowJK has it on his hd still Jan 17 11:19:31 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php Jan 17 11:19:46 i got the version from there Jan 17 11:20:26 ah, installed multilib version of libusb which fixed it Jan 17 11:20:40 hello. is there no openstreetmap routing for mappero? the google one is damn bad for walking Jan 17 11:20:51 ok, lets see how this brick can become a phone again. i guess its not possible to keep my contacts intact? Jan 17 11:21:07 flashing emmc would kill contacts for sure Jan 17 11:21:22 hi! Jan 17 11:21:44 i got a file called RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin. thats the whole FIASCO thing? Jan 17 11:22:27 phrearch: that is the complete FIASCO Jan 17 11:23:07 the emmc image has "emmc" in the name, so that thing is the plain fiasco image Jan 17 11:23:34 ShadowJK: Maemo has "flasher v2.8.2 (Jan 8 2010)" here... That could work... But I do not have another Nokia N900, just Nokia 770 Jan 17 11:23:52 mikki-kun: ah found RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php Jan 17 11:23:57 You'd also need to get your healthy N900 into hostmode :) Jan 17 11:24:22 If you wrecked your N900 with some random broken multiboot package from -devel, flashing just the fiasco image should work, I think Jan 17 11:24:53 hm big red text: When flashing eMMC always also flash FIASCO rootfs - NEVER boot the device between the two flashes. Jan 17 11:24:56 phrearch: that will flash all your personal info :) Jan 17 11:25:16 phrearch: you won't need it :) Jan 17 11:25:23 good lesson for the next time i guess :-) Jan 17 11:25:26 if you don't want to flash your personal data as well Jan 17 11:26:09 hm, im dling emmc content now from the nokia site Jan 17 11:26:43 im just a bit concerned about the red text, warning against writing eMMC without the fiasco image Jan 17 11:26:50 ShadowJK: i think with the multiboot-thing even flashing just the kernel is sufficent Jan 17 11:27:11 phrearch: so you just want your n900 to boot again, right? :) Jan 17 11:27:21 yea, i guess so :) Jan 17 11:27:34 then you only need the FIASCO :) Jan 17 11:27:42 phrearch, I would not flash emmc. I would first try flashing only the fiasco "combined" image. Jan 17 11:27:45 the n900 is seperated into the rootfs and the emmc Jan 17 11:27:48 ughhh Jan 17 11:27:49 ok cool. thanks Jan 17 11:28:10 the rootfs is FIASCO :) (there is all system relevant data inside) Jan 17 11:28:17 now im getting the Host kernel VDSO support is incompatible with scratchbox. Jan 17 11:28:25 trying to install scratchbox Jan 17 11:28:37 in the emmc there is just additional place and data for like MyDocs and such :) Jan 17 11:28:44 nice to try this anti-brick protection Jan 17 11:28:50 essentially the n900 can work without the emmc :) Jan 17 11:29:05 is there a way i could inreversibly change this n900 into a brick? Jan 17 11:29:20 and i might suggest you only flash the kernel and not the whole rootfs :) Jan 17 11:29:20 without destroying it physically i mean ;) Jan 17 11:29:36 aha, thats possible as well Jan 17 11:29:37 phrearch: kill the stuff that loads NOLO Jan 17 11:30:01 nolo? Jan 17 11:30:08 bootloader of the n900 Jan 17 11:30:15 aha Jan 17 11:30:39 why? Jan 17 11:31:03 hm, flasher-3.5 -F -f , thats all? Jan 17 11:31:15 i guess the device should be on Jan 17 11:31:19 you can even kill nolo afaik, but the thing that loads nolo is essential and can only be made working again with a debugger that connects to the battery-pins (which gives you a terminal to the NAND of the n900) Jan 17 11:31:56 sudo ./flasher-3.5 -F --flash-only=kernel -f -R Jan 17 11:32:03 that is the command :) Jan 17 11:32:08 according to the wiki Jan 17 11:32:28 and to get your device into flashing mode insert your usb-cable to the computer Jan 17 11:32:57 then hold the "u" button on the n900's keyboard, while you plug the micro-b end of the usb-cable into the n900 Jan 17 11:33:22 hold the u-button for a couple of seconds (so the usb-icon on the upper right won't go away) Jan 17 11:33:41 and then you are good to go and execute the command i copied :) Jan 17 11:34:19 installing scratchbox i love google its the best for searching for help with errors Jan 17 11:34:28 this command will just flash the kernel (which i hope is sufficent) Jan 17 11:34:54 i gave up on scratchbox and let the others do the dirty work :) Jan 17 11:35:06 got it. thanks Jan 17 11:35:12 i just trying to port one app Jan 17 11:35:23 that was already port to diablo Jan 17 11:36:01 there were multiple country versions of the fiasco. global is ok? Jan 17 11:36:02 Qtwitter its a qt twitter app Jan 17 11:36:15 phrearch: global should be ok :) Jan 17 11:36:37 mikki-kun: ok thanks Jan 17 11:37:00 i think country specific versions are just so that the wifi is broadcasting in allowed freqencies and such Jan 17 11:37:14 and some countries don't allow the fm-transmitter Jan 17 11:37:29 aha ok Jan 17 11:37:47 hm, it returns an error claiming usb interface: device or resource busy Jan 17 11:37:57 the n900 is in flash modus i think Jan 17 11:38:02 hm... Jan 17 11:38:16 remove the n900 from the usb Jan 17 11:38:25 take the battery out for a couple of secs Jan 17 11:38:45 insert your battery back (don't turn it on or let it turn on :) ) Jan 17 11:39:12 the device autodetected matched the phone Jan 17 11:39:16 and then try the flashing again with the u-key being pushed down while you insert the usb-cable :) Jan 17 11:39:17 ok thanks Jan 17 11:41:08 hm, "Suitable USB device not found, waiting." Jan 17 11:41:16 it can take some time :) Jan 17 11:41:21 like 10 secs or so.. Jan 17 11:41:45 I prefer the turn N900 off then plug it in approach Jan 17 11:41:56 Works everytime 90 percent of the time Jan 17 11:42:38 In principle, do that with the n900 face-down, so you can't easily drop the battery Jan 17 11:43:09 Oh, reboot loop? Jan 17 11:43:23 ok thanks Jan 17 11:43:44 I've never had to use the 'u' key approach Jan 17 11:44:04 phrearch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vg1d6BbjCU&feature=related here some steps in this video :) Jan 17 11:44:11 ow nice Jan 17 11:44:33 anyone had problems with libconic callbacks not working? Jan 17 11:45:28 * SpeedEvil ponders posting a 'steps' video link, but decides against, owing to them being shit. Jan 17 11:45:30 aha, some warning about using the front usb connectors Jan 17 11:46:40 installing sdk yay Jan 17 11:47:17 hm same message :( Jan 17 11:47:23 Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy Jan 17 11:47:41 Are you running as root? Jan 17 11:47:45 yes Jan 17 11:48:02 :/ Never had that issue either .. Jan 17 11:49:31 thank god for the maemo5 wiki would have never figured out how to install this Jan 17 11:49:38 hm... Jan 17 11:50:46 hm, ill try the flasher under windows Jan 17 11:51:02 i heard this might work as well "remove your battery, insert the usb into the n900, hold down the u-key and insert your battery Jan 17 11:51:42 same Jan 17 11:52:04 Ö.ö Jan 17 11:52:19 that doesn't sound good... Jan 17 11:52:19 http://paste.pocoo.org/show/322153/ Jan 17 11:54:13 hope its just a libusb thing Jan 17 11:54:21 god the maemo5 sdk takes forever to install Jan 17 11:55:03 pauly: yup, it takes forever :/ Jan 17 11:55:14 never had that problem and ive reflashed like 2 times this week alone lol Jan 17 11:55:31 2 times this week? wow Jan 17 11:55:41 pauly: you must be trying hard :) Jan 17 11:56:02 I've only flashed on firmware updates. Jan 17 11:56:09 And arguably I never needed to do that .. Jan 17 11:56:20 i closed the app man while it was working Jan 17 11:56:24 so Jan 17 11:56:34 everything got messed up Jan 17 11:56:55 its so greatthat it dont effect emmc Jan 17 11:57:33 wow how many things does this need to download Jan 17 11:58:19 i gather its to late to ask but which is better qt creator or the scratchbox Jan 17 11:58:38 pauly: depends what you're developing. Jan 17 11:58:52 Nokia Qt SDK (Qt Creator) is best for app development. Jan 17 11:58:54 porting qt app Jan 17 11:59:03 Then Nokia Qt SDK is probably your best bet. Jan 17 11:59:14 i ttried it on windows 7 Jan 17 11:59:22 but got confused Jan 17 11:59:36 Ah, well you can't use scratchbox on windows :) Jan 17 11:59:40 hah happy hacking Jan 17 11:59:57 just installed ubuntu 10.10 Jan 17 12:00:04 Personally, I use both. Jan 17 12:00:22 scratchbox is really useful for getting your packaging sorted for uploading to extras-devel Jan 17 12:00:50 But I've also integrated Qt Creator with scratchbox, so you can run & test maemo apps from Qt Creator in scratchbox, which is really cool too. Jan 17 12:02:40 hm on windows its just stalling on suitable usb device not found, waiting Jan 17 12:02:59 awesome Jan 17 12:03:08 im like a real noob Jan 17 12:03:45 i was trying to copmile qtwitter for maemo5 from source code using the pro file in qt cretaor Jan 17 12:04:15 phrearch__: hm... sorry, i am out of ideas :/ Jan 17 12:04:55 but the dependcies messed me up but i realized all the libs i need are aleady ported to maemo5 just renamed with lib in front of them Jan 17 12:05:13 ShadowJK: Would it be reasonably easy to boot Maemo with microSDHC as "/", "/home" and "/home/user/MyDocs"... And then flash firmware upgrade? Jan 17 12:05:14 hm, an option is that also windows vista 64 has issues Jan 17 12:05:36 Ouch :| I did "ln -s /opt/ejre/bin /usr/bin" how can I revert this back!? Jan 17 12:06:01 rm /usr/bin/bin would revert it Jan 17 12:06:03 trying the ubuntu live cd Jan 17 12:06:16 unless you had no /usr/bin Jan 17 12:06:23 is this the case with meego? Jan 17 12:06:34 ptl: Maemo 5 Jan 17 12:07:40 it has /usr/bin, doesn't it? if there is already a /usr/bin directory, that command would just create a /usr/bin/bin link under /usr/bin pointing to /opt/ejre/bin Jan 17 12:08:43 ptl: yes it has, and looks like /usr/bin/bin does exist, so I'm going to remove it :) Thanks :) Jan 17 12:09:15 I was really scared like hell, I thought It would overwrite /usr/bin :| Jan 17 12:09:59 hm http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=411019&postcount=67 Jan 17 12:10:37 hope this fixes it Jan 17 12:11:06 Aranel: "ln" does not overwrite without "-f" Jan 17 12:11:13 is it possible to brick the device by flashing it wrongly? Jan 17 12:11:44 no Jan 17 12:12:10 phrearch__: unlikely. Jan 17 12:12:17 hm ok, glad to hear Jan 17 12:13:07 vista doesnt find the n900 at all, even with the unsigned driver startup Jan 17 12:13:26 if you're using a 64bit os you'll need to flash it using something else Jan 17 12:13:43 just load a nix livecd, either instead of windows or in a vm Jan 17 12:13:44 im dling an ubuntu 32 livecd atm Jan 17 12:13:54 ok hope that will fix it Jan 17 12:14:27 why not flash with NSU?! Jan 17 12:14:45 pahartik: which makes me happy ^^ Jan 17 12:14:54 "the box said 'Windows Vista or better' so I installed linux" Jan 17 12:15:29 Aranel: Acknowledged Jan 17 12:16:15 anyway, glad i finally made my hands dirty by messing up the kernel Jan 17 12:16:33 good reason to learn something more about the n900 :) Jan 17 12:19:01 I bought a Samsung Galaxy Tab. The tablet is one of the finest android devices out there, and still I miss my N900 so much. I find it infinitely superior to Android in many aspects... Jan 17 12:19:55 it was a pain to set up dropbear sshd to run on my Tab Jan 17 12:20:00 it is so easy on the N900 Jan 17 12:20:17 and the plethora of open source software available to the n900... Android does not even come close Jan 17 12:20:35 N900 = Most awesome device ever. Jan 17 12:20:41 it is Jan 17 12:21:37 i like my device too :) Jan 17 12:25:52 ptl: I just bought a tab and am planning to port Meego to it Jan 17 12:26:03 anyone using LibConIc? my callback functions are never called, i check if signal is connected, and it is, but the lib never calls my callback function... Any ideas, or where might i ask for info? Jan 17 12:26:20 trx: code? Jan 17 12:26:34 sec Jan 17 12:27:59 still installing sdk Jan 17 12:30:05 lardman http://pastebin.com/ShpLX6rB <-- its pascal but its pretty much the same... Jan 17 12:30:42 it opens a new connection as it should Jan 17 12:30:59 Why on Earth are you using pascal? Jan 17 12:31:01 and everything is fine, except the callback function is never called Jan 17 12:31:16 Are you setting up a main loop? Jan 17 12:31:23 alterego im delphi coder Jan 17 12:31:43 Remember you need to have a g_main_loop instance .. Jan 17 12:31:55 yes, i am Jan 17 12:32:00 Where? Jan 17 12:32:04 lib is opening a new connection Jan 17 12:32:11 that part works fine Jan 17 12:32:47 lardman: I'll be interested on it greatly :D Jan 17 12:33:20 hm cool. the ubuntu livecd approach worked Jan 17 12:33:25 kernel is flashed Jan 17 12:33:33 alterego im not opening g_main_loop directly, that part is handled by my ide.. Jan 17 12:33:51 for example, liblocation's callbacks are fine Jan 17 12:34:11 they work as they should, only with this i have problems Jan 17 12:34:31 Hrm Jan 17 12:34:48 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/mbarcode-qt-plugins/wifi/wifi.cpp?root=maemo-barcode&view=markup is some code that mBarcode uses Jan 17 12:34:48 hm i end up in the multiboot menu again Jan 17 12:34:56 not Pascal mind you ;) Jan 17 12:35:04 not a problem Jan 17 12:35:05 ty Jan 17 12:35:20 option 0 now works again! :D Jan 17 12:35:37 someone uses the sms counter widget? doenst work here. only shows black Jan 17 12:35:42 cool, still have everything intact Jan 17 12:36:29 pfew thanks for the help. glad its ok again Jan 17 12:36:39 should i uninstall the multiboot thing? Jan 17 12:41:05 omg so cool Jan 17 12:41:11 got maemo5 sdk Jan 17 12:41:14 awesome Jan 17 12:41:48 nice, does it work on non-ubuntu as well? Jan 17 12:42:07 ya mostly any disto Jan 17 12:42:13 just dont windows Jan 17 12:42:17 not^^ Jan 17 12:42:28 thats fine Jan 17 12:42:39 does it run in an armel emulator? Jan 17 12:43:03 actually...no Jan 17 12:43:03 ya Jan 17 12:43:06 i think Jan 17 12:43:14 Unless it is Ubuntu or Debian, you will be facing some trouble Jan 17 12:43:29 omg its so fast makes me want to overclock Jan 17 12:43:34 my n900 Jan 17 12:44:28 mines past 850 dosent work Jan 17 12:44:32 ok, maybe i should try that in an openvz container then Jan 17 12:45:51 so if i want to use a multiboot power kernel, whats the best way to do it, without me bricking my device again? Jan 17 12:48:33 uboot? Jan 17 12:59:52 don't use multiboot, use u-boot Jan 17 13:01:10 ok, i also want kernel-power. should i install u-boot for kernel-power v46 then? Jan 17 13:03:46 hm, bricked it again :S Jan 17 13:05:07 can i custom load the kernel from uboot? Jan 17 13:05:09 Meanwhile: "Sheep thefts in Britain likely connected to rising global food prices" Jan 17 13:05:22 lcuk: THAT bad? =) Jan 17 13:06:14 RST38h, IDK, ask lardman he has specific affinity to sheep Jan 17 13:07:12 oi! Jan 17 13:07:27 you weren't supposed to share my sordid secret ;) Jan 17 13:07:38 if i want to compile a app in scratchbox how do i get it there Jan 17 13:07:51 where do i download the sorce code to? Jan 17 13:08:24 pauly, run the scratchbox session, and use scp/git clone/wget just like you do in any other session Jan 17 13:09:31 okay thanks Jan 17 13:09:32 pauly, or failing that, from your "normal" linux / the scratchbox user ~ is: /scratchbox/users/gary/home/gary/ Jan 17 13:09:47 (obviously replace the username with yours Jan 17 13:12:20 lardman: food shortages? =) Jan 17 13:14:33 * lardman 's N900 is being picked up tomorrow for a warranty repair, hopefully Jan 17 13:15:15 * SpeedEvil cues the Casualty music. Jan 17 13:15:43 * jonwil wishes he didnt have to reinvent the wheel (aka libisi) Jan 17 13:32:37 got it downloaded what i needed using git Jan 17 13:32:38 hello Jan 17 13:33:30 can someone please tell me if there is a tool able to save battery when idle by underclocking the cpu, but also able to overclock when needed ? the most used one ? Jan 17 13:33:47 if an app depends on something but its already compiled in extras devel Jan 17 13:35:49 In file included from xmlparser.h:29, from xmlparser.cpp:24: twitterapi.h:35:22: error: QtOAuth: No such file or directory?? Jan 17 13:36:00 when using qmake Jan 17 13:42:15 hi Jan 17 13:42:47 I installed kernel-power. which other package is required for USB host mode? Jan 17 13:44:14 is it hostmode-gui? Jan 17 13:44:19 lardman thank you very much! i was missing : dbus_connection_setup_with_g_main() Jan 17 13:44:44 np Jan 17 13:45:55 Venemo_N900 h-e-n Jan 17 13:46:08 Gyjf: there is no such package Jan 17 13:46:24 Gyjf: there is one named hostmode-gui Jan 17 13:46:41 what respositories do you have? Jan 17 13:46:55 im sad Jan 17 13:47:02 Gyjf: extras-devel and sdk repo Jan 17 13:47:25 Gyjf: hostmode-gui created an icon called h-e-n though Jan 17 13:47:56 maybe it changed name or something Jan 17 13:48:23 rebooting Jan 17 13:48:58 is there a way i can build without the dependencies? Jan 17 13:49:14 no Jan 17 13:49:44 there renamed in the extras-devel repos Jan 17 13:50:30 i need qtoauth, qca, qca-ossl Jan 17 13:51:23 but in extras devel there called libqoauth, libqca, libqca-ossl i think? Jan 17 13:51:55 change the deps in the control file then Jan 17 13:52:26 i dont think there is one Jan 17 13:52:34 its qt source souce Jan 17 13:53:02 I see Jan 17 13:53:11 well it should still have build deps Jan 17 13:53:11 you just need to install the dev packages of those mentioned. Jan 17 13:54:03 using scratchbox install the libqca libqca-ossl and libqtoauth Jan 17 13:54:15 okay thanks! Jan 17 13:54:27 im gonna try that Jan 17 13:54:43 install libqca-dev and libqca-ossl-dev and libqtoauth-dev if those exist Jan 17 13:55:36 okay ill look on garage maemo Jan 17 13:55:40 i think there there Jan 17 13:55:55 umm no, just apt-get install them Jan 17 13:57:11 i dont think i have devel enabled on the scratchbox Jan 17 13:57:25 you should. Jan 17 13:57:30 it's libqca2-dev btw Jan 17 13:57:43 thanks so much help Jan 17 13:58:16 ill just edit the sources list file and add the devel repo right? Jan 17 13:58:40 mmm what would be the best app to have the phone change cpu from 125 to 850MHz Jan 17 13:58:54 qcpu? Jan 17 13:59:02 its easy Jan 17 13:59:34 pauly, libqca2-dev and libqoauth-dev, install those and try after adding extras-devel Jan 17 14:00:12 kpoman, I think that when you overclock, the phone still drops down to 125mhz or 250mhz when idle. Jan 17 14:00:39 jacktheripper i add devel in both armel and x86 targets? Jan 17 14:00:56 jacktheripper: yep I am looking for an app that could change this and autostart Jan 17 14:01:06 or some widget Jan 17 14:01:27 pauly, depends on what you're trying to do, are you trying to build a package to install on the device ? Jan 17 14:01:38 yes! Jan 17 14:01:42 pauly, you could just work on the armel target if so, but you won't lose anything if you add it to both Jan 17 14:01:42 i am Jan 17 14:01:52 okay thanks Jan 17 14:02:00 sry im a noob Jan 17 14:02:40 kpoman, not sure what app does that best. Jan 17 14:03:13 jacktheripper: do you use any ? what is the most popular one at least to see it in screenshots / facts Jan 17 14:03:36 kpoman, I don't overclock, that's why. You could try googling the forum. Jan 17 14:03:47 anyone tried the Nitendo DS emulator for n900? Jan 17 14:04:17 Gyjf, yes, too slow. Jan 17 14:04:36 too bad :/ Jan 17 14:04:51 the playstation emu then? Jan 17 14:05:39 it's pretty good for some games, slow on a minority. But it's getting better! Jan 17 14:06:00 hm, with uboot installed and multiboot at the same time, would it be possible to flash the kernel again? Jan 17 14:06:09 i prefer to have multiboot gone though Jan 17 14:06:34 jacktheripper: i added deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free Jan 17 14:06:48 to the sources list but it didnt work? Jan 17 14:06:49 so, a game like Crash Bandicot 3, would that run fine? Jan 17 14:06:58 pauly, did you apt-get update ? Jan 17 14:06:59 or tekken Jan 17 14:07:02 3 Jan 17 14:07:03 ya Jan 17 14:07:17 GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory' Jan 17 14:07:30 Gyjf, I'm not sure, check the forum. There's a compatibility list too. games like FFVII and GT2 work well I think Jan 17 14:07:38 im thinking i typed it wrong Jan 17 14:07:54 i was worried since even the GBA emulatow was slow Jan 17 14:09:10 pauly, I don't think GPG is a problem, did you try apt-get install ? Jan 17 14:09:19 Gyjf, yeah, optimization problem, hardware is capable. Jan 17 14:09:32 i tried apt-get update Jan 17 14:09:37 yea, thought so Jan 17 14:10:08 pauly, try apt-get install libqca2-dev libqoauth-dev Jan 17 14:10:38 are there any good native games that use the camera/accelerometer or such? Jan 17 14:11:35 Gyjf, there's a program that prepares a palm pre environment on the N900 and runs many of its games, search the forum Jan 17 14:11:59 got it Jan 17 14:12:01 yay Jan 17 14:13:39 jacktheripper: still get same error when trying to make Jan 17 14:13:43 witterapi.h:35:22: error: QtOAuth: No such file or directory Jan 17 14:14:43 maybe it cant be ported? idk it was ported to diablo Jan 17 14:19:26 pauly, not sure how to solve that, but the problem lies in not finding /usr/include/QtOAuth/QtOAuth which you just installed, check if it's there. Jan 17 14:20:29 ya its there Jan 17 14:20:32 Nokia has confirmed that it's terminating the music service formerly known as Comes With Music in most of the territories in which it operates, including the UK, by the end of the year. Jan 17 14:20:45 jacktheripper: ya its there Jan 17 14:20:50 didn't work? Jan 17 14:21:05 pauly, hrmm not sure Jan 17 14:21:34 this is like ther first thing ive compiled from source Jan 17 14:21:50 i think im doing something wrong but im not sure Jan 17 14:22:28 qmake qtwiiter.pro and then make, right? Jan 17 14:22:42 I have no idea Jan 17 14:23:03 Comes with Music, leaves without it Jan 17 14:25:13 ive been tring for 3 days to install this Jan 17 14:25:22 compile it Jan 17 14:25:23 RST38h, it was quite obvious that it is better to do what you can do reasonably well, i.e. phones, and stop fucking with fashion thingies like "we want to make money from services and infrastructure" (read: make our phones incompatible with those who do it well because of our own lame child) Jan 17 14:25:23 I wish nokia finally get some agreement with google about really *good* services integration and will focus on MAKING PHONES! Jan 17 14:25:34 hi Jan 17 14:26:27 IMO Symbian is outdated and should go, at least for the highest-end phones Jan 17 14:26:44 is it only me who cant find how to capture video with the n900? Jan 17 14:26:55 yes Jan 17 14:27:01 yep Jan 17 14:27:07 DocScrutinizer: would it work if I connected a USB HDD to the N900 with host mode with an Y-cable whose other end I connected to the wall charger for power? Jan 17 14:27:12 i suggest you rtfm :p Jan 17 14:27:18 where is the setting for video/still? Jan 17 14:27:32 under the X button Jan 17 14:27:40 there's an A Jan 17 14:27:46 MohammadAG51: I also ask for your opinion on this one Jan 17 14:27:46 click it Jan 17 14:27:52 aah thankyou Jan 17 14:27:57 it was set on macro Jan 17 14:28:01 you'll see the light Jan 17 14:28:14 so i just thought that was the macro settingd lol :P Jan 17 14:28:19 Venemo_N900, fire away Jan 17 14:28:31 Arkenoi: Jan 17 14:28:34 MohammadAG51: see above my post to DocScrutinizer Jan 17 14:28:39 Arkenoi: Android. Jan 17 14:29:23 Arkenoi: if you know this well, why don't you start your own cell phone company? Jan 17 14:30:15 ~botsnack Jan 17 14:30:15 aw, gee, Venemo_N900 Jan 17 14:31:38 RST38h, others do it, even without adopting android. Jan 17 14:31:39 RST38h, almost any platform works flawlessly with google services except those made by Nokia Jan 17 14:32:13 Arkenoi: hum ... false ... freerunner have some problem too Jan 17 14:32:17 blackberry too :) Jan 17 14:32:33 stop flaming maemo. Jan 17 14:32:42 :) Jan 17 14:34:08 ptl: I agree with you! Jan 17 14:35:19 yes Jan 17 14:35:33 thx Jan 17 14:35:36 see the DVD vid :p Jan 17 14:35:57 does it work the same way? Jan 17 14:36:10 it's a Y cable connected to my PC/PS3 Jan 17 14:36:17 yep Jan 17 14:36:54 MohammadAG51: ok, but isn't it a problem that the data cords of the wall charger are short-circuited? Jan 17 14:37:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzCD1c0WqYI&feature=related cinders? :) I receive internal error and after that those are not working until I restart Jan 17 14:39:25 MohammadAG51: I recall you or Doc saying that they are; and I dunno if it's a problem for the usb hdd Jan 17 14:55:02 hmm Jan 17 14:55:20 how's it going mohammadag? Jan 17 14:55:21 you're using a special 5V adapter right? Jan 17 14:55:42 fine timeless_xchat, just got home from my exams :) Jan 17 14:55:50 thp, thanks! Jan 17 14:56:07 did well, i hope? Jan 17 14:56:10 MohammadAG51: eh. I couldn't find such an adapter that would convert from microusb female to usb female... Jan 17 14:56:42 yep :) Jan 17 14:56:46 MohammadAG51: that way I have no way of powering it :( Jan 17 14:57:12 find a fake iPod charger Jan 17 14:57:16 MohammadAG51: congrats to the exams btw :P Jan 17 14:57:46 MohammadAG51: fake ipod charger? Jan 17 14:57:56 MohammadAG51: how does that look? Jan 17 14:59:21 AC to USB Jan 17 14:59:45 it's a full female USB port Jan 17 15:00:15 Arkenoi: Google can't write code for beans. Just because other idiot-pleaser browsers tolerate this bad code, doesn't make it right. Jan 17 15:00:30 MohammadAG51: hmmm Jan 17 15:00:39 MohammadAG51: that should do what I need Jan 17 15:00:51 yep Jan 17 15:01:26 MohammadAG51: and since icrap is popular, I should be able to find such a charger easily Jan 17 15:01:35 TOO SOON Jan 17 15:01:41 maybeWTF: ? Jan 17 15:01:44 oh wait, jobs isn't dead yet Jan 17 15:02:16 maybeWTF: lol Jan 17 15:02:49 MohammadAG51: although I'm surprised that icrap doesn't have a properitary charger... Jan 17 15:03:27 MohammadAG51: if I connect a mouse, will the cursor shw up? Jan 17 15:04:05 s/shw/show Jan 17 15:04:11 venemo_n900 : eh? Jan 17 15:04:30 apple has a spiffy set of universal adapters Jan 17 15:04:42 timeless_xchat: I didn't know Jan 17 15:04:47 interchangable plugs for the various stupid outlets Jan 17 15:05:02 timeless_xchat: I've never owned an apple product Jan 17 15:05:16 and interchangable charger bits for the various devices Jan 17 15:05:34 essentially they've created their own standard Jan 17 15:05:48 mhm Jan 17 15:06:08 but it's better than the dozens of awkward and incompatible adapters each other vendor uses Jan 17 15:06:28 apple makes good hardware Jan 17 15:06:34 they also charge for it Jan 17 15:06:53 Venemo_N900, they have one Jan 17 15:06:53 but it's like 60 bucks Jan 17 15:06:54 timeless_xchat: yes, but they make not so good software Jan 17 15:07:01 foxconn are indeed a fairly high quality manufacture when they want to be Jan 17 15:07:01 you're free to dislike their software or disagree with their decisions Jan 17 15:07:12 Apple /used to/ make good hardware. Jan 17 15:07:13 but you should respect their hardware Jan 17 15:07:16 Now it's all x86 crap Jan 17 15:07:29 MohammadAG: ? Jan 17 15:07:38 they have a charger Jan 17 15:07:42 timeless_xchat: what I don't like is their price to value ratio Jan 17 15:07:44 luke-jr: which hardware bothers you? Jan 17 15:07:48 timeless_xchat: x86 Jan 17 15:07:53 the iPhone antenna? Jan 17 15:08:00 MohammadAG: oh, so this is why you said I should look for a fake one Jan 17 15:08:18 some phone vendor interested in secrecy was going to screw that up Jan 17 15:08:26 Venemo_N900, you just need something like this http://www.nobodybuy.com/2010/06/22/lisahe851127/400x400_p1292603/usb-ac-adapter.jpg Jan 17 15:08:29 i was expecting it to be nokia :) Jan 17 15:08:55 MohammadAG: mhm Jan 17 15:08:55 and given I found one in Israel... Jan 17 15:09:14 luke-jr, ah well... commodity chips win out Jan 17 15:09:23 MohammadAG: ok, I get your point Jan 17 15:09:26 how about commodity currency? Jan 17 15:09:36 btw Jan 17 15:09:40 while I was doing the exam Jan 17 15:09:48 I had the N900 on the charger (:P) Jan 17 15:10:03 then when I was done (it had a full battery), I unplugged it Jan 17 15:10:06 so? :P Jan 17 15:10:10 anyone want Civ 5? Jan 17 15:10:13 5 minutes later, it said "Recharge battery" Jan 17 15:10:22 heh Jan 17 15:10:23 I was like wtf Jan 17 15:10:27 civ5 is bleh :( Jan 17 15:10:32 luke-jr, the yuan? Jan 17 15:10:40 removed battery, put it back in, 80% or somethin Jan 17 15:10:47 bme is crap Jan 17 15:10:51 MohammadAG: :D Jan 17 15:10:52 hey Jan 17 15:10:58 all devices except mobiles do this properly Jan 17 15:11:06 whats the preferred way to install power-kernel? i cant find it in devel anymore Jan 17 15:11:11 MohammadAG: it siphoned your bioenergy and recharged from that Jan 17 15:11:16 Laptops, they say the laptop is about to go flat, hibernate? Shutdown? GTFO? Jan 17 15:11:18 lets all do a "stop bme" as a protest to nokia :) Jan 17 15:11:24 phrearch__: apt-get? Jan 17 15:11:28 but no, mobiles decide to shut down on your own Jan 17 15:11:51 Ok, just confirmed that there is nothing else usefull in the meego tree other than the MCE code I found before Jan 17 15:12:00 mohammadag: bigger devices have more space and can afford more complicated components Jan 17 15:12:05 Venemo: i tried both multiboot-power (but that was for 1.2 i saw later) and uboot, but both left me with an unbootable n900 Jan 17 15:12:37 timeless_xchat, bme can ask me "Shall I shut down or let your device die, corrupting data and such?" Jan 17 15:12:42 mohammadag: i've asked about hibernate Jan 17 15:12:43 MohammadAG: my laptop does that Jan 17 15:12:50 I'd go for the latter, since I _KNOW_ the battery is charged Jan 17 15:13:28 finding that MCE source code in the meego repos was very good though :) Jan 17 15:13:29 iirc they insisted that supporting that last minute 911 (112) call was more important Jan 17 15:13:42 Anyone want to check http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=922320 out and help me about it? Pleease? Jan 17 15:13:43 wtf? Jan 17 15:14:04 MohammadAG: ok, first random phone shop on the street didn't have such a charger Jan 17 15:14:22 onTextChanged(), if text == 911 || test = 112), emergencyButton->show(); Jan 17 15:16:02 hehe Jan 17 15:17:24 timeless_xchat: I've never, ever made an emergency call Jan 17 15:17:35 mohammadag: the idea is that the cost of suspending gracefully (in terms of battery) is something that the user might want for making that 911 call Jan 17 15:18:16 venemo_n900 : right, but... imagine you have a loved-one who needs that call made Jan 17 15:18:33 oh wait, this is a linux channel, no loved-ones? Jan 17 15:18:41 no 911 Jan 17 15:18:44 timeless_xchat, wait, so if I call 911 my battery will extend its life? Jan 17 15:18:45 ;) Jan 17 15:18:48 * MohammadAG posts on tmo Jan 17 15:19:03 timeless_xchat: I have a loved one, but she also hasn't used emergency calls yet. Jan 17 15:19:15 MohammadAG: ask them to put you through to the loved one you were wanting to call? Jan 17 15:19:23 venemo_n900, and you hope they'll never need to Jan 17 15:19:24 timeless_xchat: why would se need that call made? Jan 17 15:19:32 but you want them to be able to Jan 17 15:19:39 timeless_xchat: ok, I get your point Jan 17 15:19:43 good Jan 17 15:20:02 because my loved-ones are in two rooms around me for the first time in years Jan 17 15:20:29 and one of their phones was acquired almost entirely for emergency use Jan 17 15:20:52 hmm Jan 17 15:26:50 hey, comes with music is dead! Jan 17 15:28:51 hm, besides uboot, what kernel packages do i need? Jan 17 15:32:47 hm ok nice. got that working Jan 17 15:40:37 is overclocking not allowed anymore with kernel-power? Jan 17 15:46:21 ~ping Jan 17 15:46:22 ~pong Jan 17 15:46:57 so timeless_xchat, if I ask for an "ipod charger", I will get a standard ac to usb converter? Jan 17 15:50:21 MohammadAG: will you merge it into your H-D build? :) Jan 17 15:53:44 thp, already did Jan 17 15:53:52 :) Jan 17 15:54:00 check your post Jan 17 15:54:39 nice :) Jan 17 15:54:54 MohammadAG51: it turns out i like that non-blur desaturation much more than the blur effect :p Jan 17 15:55:12 how can I ask Maemo to give me a mouse cursor when I plug in a mouse with h-e-n? Jan 17 15:55:20 thp, it's faster, and it looks sexy :) Jan 17 15:55:29 automatically, you don't :P Jan 17 15:55:34 bt-hid-scripts2 Jan 17 15:55:42 then use togglemouse Jan 17 15:55:51 aah, okay Jan 17 15:56:53 thanks MohammadAG51 Jan 17 15:59:34 MohammadAG51: with this package installed, will the bt hid whatever daemon run continuously too? Jan 17 15:59:52 nope Jan 17 16:00:40 MohammadAG51: it started something called bluetoothd Jan 17 16:01:10 that's the normal maemo 5 bt daemon Jan 17 16:01:18 ah, ok Jan 17 16:01:45 will h-e-n able to recognize a hub with multiple stuff plugged in? Jan 17 16:02:24 will h-e-n be able to recognize a hub with multiple stuff plugged in? Jan 17 16:02:47 yea Jan 17 16:02:56 the USB driver will Jan 17 16:03:04 great :) Jan 17 16:03:38 all that remains is that ipod charger Jan 17 16:03:47 venemo_n900: you should get a standard ac to usb jack, you get to bring your own usb to usb micro cable Jan 17 16:04:14 timeless_xchat: I need it to power a USB HDD Jan 17 16:04:20 * timeless_xchat isn't sure jack is the right word Jan 17 16:04:41 venemo_n900 : ok, usb to whatever :) Jan 17 16:04:47 timeless_xchat: since obviously an N900 won't be able to power it :) Jan 17 16:05:02 not sure about its output range Jan 17 16:05:03 timeless_xchat: "powered usb hub"? Jan 17 16:05:21 thp: with just one port? Jan 17 16:05:21 thp: I don't have a powered usb hub Jan 17 16:05:34 * timeless_xchat wouldn't call one port a hub Jan 17 16:06:32 timeless_xchat: "active repeater"? Jan 17 16:06:59 Venemo_N900: just buy a powered usb hub. they are cheap and you can connect more devices. Jan 17 16:07:21 thp: they're probably bigger ;) Jan 17 16:07:28 thp: ok, I'll look for one then Jan 17 16:07:29 and less shiny Jan 17 16:07:59 but yeah, unless you're traveling internationally, i wouldn't go out of my way to get this apple component Jan 17 16:09:46 okay Jan 17 16:09:55 you convinced me Jan 17 16:30:20 Venemo_N900: yes if you do that after clicking vbus boost Jan 17 16:42:09 Venemo_N900: in a Y-cable, the "power" trunk has no data wires Jan 17 16:42:23 thx DocScrutinizer Jan 17 16:47:32 Venemo_N900: the concern is you mustn't apply VBUS voltage to N900 - no matter internally (vboost) or external VBUS - before you clicked vboost in h-e-n. It's ok though to plug in the USB after clicking vboost, even when it's connected to usb charger and HDD Jan 17 16:48:09 you should hurry though, there are certain timeouts Jan 17 16:54:51 DocScrutinizer: what would happen if I simply plugged the usb hdd into the n900? Jan 17 16:55:10 haha Jan 17 16:55:15 yeah right Jan 17 16:57:23 Qt makes quite a nice foundation for a graphics engine :) Jan 17 16:59:19 Venemo_N900: most likely overcurrent protection of vboost converter would trip and vbus voltage drops and booston script errs out Jan 17 17:00:06 effectively that's blocking hostmode operation until you stop and restart h-e-n Jan 17 17:00:25 Now to get my pixel buffer render sorted and set about some nice UI integration Jan 17 17:01:18 DocScrutinizer: hm Jan 17 17:02:08 DocScrutinizer: problem is, I wasn't able to find neither a self-powered hub, nor an adapter for the wall charger, nor an ac->usb charger Jan 17 17:03:10 strange, AC->USB charges/adapters are sold here in every supermarket and gas station Jan 17 17:03:53 well, the large ones at least Jan 17 17:04:39 Hi Jan 17 17:04:51 Does Aircrack-ng work with Nokias kernel ? Jan 17 17:05:07 Venemo_N900: alas I have no idea what advice to give Jan 17 17:05:22 DaReaper: nope Jan 17 17:05:24 or i need Kernel power 46 ? Jan 17 17:06:36 should that do ? ^ Jan 17 17:06:46 DocScrutinizer: here they only sell ac->microusb male and ac->miniusb male Jan 17 17:07:59 hmm, I see. So splice up something DIY? Jan 17 17:09:24 DocScrutinizer: DIY=? Jan 17 17:09:33 ~diy Jan 17 17:09:33 well, diy is do-it-yourself; sans distro Jan 17 17:09:37 oh. Jan 17 17:09:54 I don't have the necessary equipment Jan 17 17:10:20 then I really don't see how to help you out. ebay? Jan 17 17:10:21 if I did, that would be my 1st choice Jan 17 17:10:52 nah, I'll just wait for my laptop to return from repair Jan 17 17:11:34 how's that going to help? (except for hooking HDD up to laptop rather than N900) Jan 17 17:14:53 DocScrutinizer: I don't really need to access the hdd from the n900. it would be fun though Jan 17 17:16:51 hmm Jan 17 17:17:13 ok, I got home Jan 17 17:17:24 it recognizes mouse movement, but not clicks :( Jan 17 17:22:23 just try what's going to happen when you simply hook it up. Lemme point you to a script that's going to help you a bit... Jan 17 17:51:36 http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Accessing_APIs_without_Python_bindings example is not working. It only shows up Skype contacts, not Cellphone ones. Jan 17 17:55:21 Aranel: under what user account do you run it? Jan 17 17:55:43 Venemo_N900: oops, root. :| Jan 17 17:56:21 Aranel: try running it as "user" user Jan 17 17:56:49 hi again ! Jan 17 17:56:53 oh ok It's working now :) Sorry, I forgot that I'm using SSH sometimes. Jan 17 17:57:10 can someone please help me, I have Xorg using 50% cpu and it wont stop using it Jan 17 17:57:17 is there a way to see what is going on ? Jan 17 17:57:29 I checked the logfile and there is nothing interesting there Jan 17 17:57:34 Aranel: it is a known thing that you can't access contacts via other accounts Jan 17 18:07:22 do someone know if there is a known bug with xorg eating 100% cpu ? Jan 17 18:08:55 kpoman: it's normal Jan 17 18:09:05 lol Jan 17 18:09:20 are u kidding :) Jan 17 18:09:29 even without any action or whatever Jan 17 18:09:59 yes Jan 17 18:10:01 how do I increase verbose on the logs ? Jan 17 18:10:05 you can't Jan 17 18:10:10 that's all you will get Jan 17 18:10:26 it is not normal Jan 17 18:10:27 if you run htop or something that's enough to cause quite a bit of load on xorg Jan 17 18:10:41 run htop via ssh Jan 17 18:10:50 yep but yesterday I got conky all day and xorg was about 5% Jan 17 18:10:58 now it is about 100% all time without stopping Jan 17 18:11:09 maybe then your cpu was running at higher speed Jan 17 18:11:42 now it is a 850MHz and 50% Jan 17 18:11:50 that explains it Jan 17 18:12:01 first, run it at normal speed Jan 17 18:12:13 what would cpu speed has to do ? Jan 17 18:12:38 thermal throttling Jan 17 18:12:58 and ram not running with higher latencies Jan 17 18:13:13 s/not/ Jan 17 18:13:14 s/not// Jan 17 18:13:15 jacekowski meant: s// Jan 17 18:13:20 ehh Jan 17 18:13:26 lot of possibilities Jan 17 18:13:29 overclocking is bad Jan 17 18:13:31 he Jan 17 18:13:39 let me reboot the phone Jan 17 18:13:39 and gives you bricked device at best Jan 17 18:14:17 jacekowski: but not constantly overclocking. there is an ondemand governor which should do its job Jan 17 18:15:01 nope Jan 17 18:15:06 overclocking is bad Jan 17 18:15:19 even running it at 600MHz for longer period of time is bad Jan 17 18:16:30 just reoboted it. now xorg takes less than 1% Jan 17 18:17:31 but I already saw it some times get to 50% or 100% without anything particular. like if it was on infinite loop of something Jan 17 18:18:01 xrestop Jan 17 18:20:13 just ran swappolube, let me see if that caused the problem Jan 17 18:31:15 hi Jan 17 18:31:57 does someone know how to add a new script to the greasemonkey addon in n900? Jan 17 18:32:34 or the folder where i should move the script? Jan 17 18:34:47 apparently its not him. let me now see firefox Jan 17 18:37:21 apparently not fennec / firefox neither Jan 17 18:44:28 fennec is a ressource-hogger Jan 17 18:44:39 we have micro-B which is imo a way better browser Jan 17 18:49:04 opera is better Jan 17 18:51:23 jacekowski: not if you want flash ;) Jan 17 18:51:27 * pahartik has ended up using Fennec on Maemo, even though it lacks "load this bitmap image document this time" context menu entry Jan 17 18:53:05 Fennec is not bad, it just needs some optimalization Jan 17 18:53:20 it's firefox based Jan 17 18:53:25 it takes like 20 secs on my device to load Jan 17 18:53:39 well, it takes 10s on full blown desktop to load Jan 17 18:53:48 20s is not so bad on phone Jan 17 18:54:18 jacekowski: microB loads in way less time :) Jan 17 18:55:35 sure fennec has some nice features, but microB still just loads way faster and is in general more usable somehow Jan 17 18:55:46 microb is also FF-based Jan 17 18:55:55 yup :) Jan 17 18:56:02 so why not use the faster fox ;) Jan 17 18:56:04 but microb is on the rootfs and is preloaded on startup. Jan 17 18:56:15 so it has an unfair advantage Jan 17 18:56:33 + fennec is just beta, not final Jan 17 18:56:36 even after being loaded fennec is horribly slow :/ Jan 17 18:57:04 how can we build our own rootfs? Jan 17 18:57:17 you don't want to Jan 17 18:57:38 i've seen how much of a fiasco the FIASCO really is... Jan 17 18:57:59 or is it even dirtier? Jan 17 18:58:30 mikki-kun: you can put anything on the rootfs if you wanna Jan 17 18:59:05 Venemo_N900: i wanted to have a flashable image of that so i can have a bunch of different root-fs's Jan 17 19:00:29 how can i see, which firmware version of maemo5 i have installed? Jan 17 19:00:48 settings -> about Jan 17 19:00:53 it's all in google Jan 17 19:01:03 mikki-kun: hm. there is an infamous app called "bootmenu" which makes it possible to make an image from your current rootfs Jan 17 19:01:33 Venemo_N900: hm, i heard it fails at times pretty hard :) Jan 17 19:03:30 Hi guys Jan 17 19:03:50 do you think swaplubbe is really efficient ? Jan 17 19:04:14 no Jan 17 19:04:29 haha Jan 17 19:05:04 I even think it may decrease performance... that s how it feels Jan 17 19:06:23 I guess it depends entirely on how you use the device. Jan 17 19:06:47 I haven't tried it in a long time, but it felt slower when I tried it. Jan 17 19:08:08 * pahartik certainly hopes that "load image" will appear in Fennec context menu by first release version Jan 17 19:08:24 from my experience it worked better with swapolube Jan 17 19:09:24 that's just vfs cache pressure, etc. tuning, yes? Jan 17 19:10:17 pahartik: open a bugreport about it Jan 17 19:10:30 bjv: yes Jan 17 19:10:38 bjv: yeah, some kernel-parameters getting tuned Jan 17 19:11:18 vm/page-cluster is interesting Jan 17 19:11:33 that might interact well/poorly with ramzez Jan 17 19:11:41 not really Jan 17 19:11:45 ramzez? Jan 17 19:11:46 Venemo_N900: Can you refer to bug database interface by URL? Jan 17 19:11:52 it's just how much data will be swapped at once Jan 17 19:12:05 which could be interesting with ramzez Jan 17 19:12:56 i feel like swap partition on external card, is still pretty fast Jan 17 19:13:10 bjv: depends on your card :) Jan 17 19:13:18 pahartik: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/ (what a surprise) Jan 17 19:13:22 but i can get slammed with 20+ sec waits if i run too many browsers+ maemo mapper Jan 17 19:13:23 my class2 certainly should not be used for it ^^ Jan 17 19:14:01 where as with ramzez, it runs at about the same pace as swap partition Jan 17 19:14:22 until i exceed the ramzez swap device and go out onto disk Jan 17 19:14:35 but even that only puts me in 8sec ish wait territory Jan 17 19:14:43 while running the same workloads Jan 17 19:14:44 Venemo_N900: Thank you Jan 17 19:15:12 pahartik: yw :) Jan 17 19:15:35 pahartik: give me the url of the bug once you open it in order for me to vote Jan 17 19:15:52 pahartik: (I would also find this feature useful) Jan 17 19:20:43 do someone know something about SmartReflex ? Jan 17 19:20:51 yes Jan 17 19:20:55 what is the problem Jan 17 19:21:00 what is that? Jan 17 19:21:01 drivers are broken Jan 17 19:21:07 it's not working Jan 17 19:21:20 jacekowski: how do I enable it and still have a stable os ? Jan 17 19:21:25 don't Jan 17 19:21:31 you don't Jan 17 19:21:39 unless you want to write working driver Jan 17 19:21:42 jacekowski: how to use it ? Jan 17 19:21:55 it's builtin cpu thing Jan 17 19:22:00 jacekowski: or what to do to have better battery time ? Jan 17 19:22:03 and there are no working drivers Jan 17 19:22:07 get better battery Jan 17 19:22:11 not use skype Jan 17 19:22:29 but you won't get more than 2 days anyways Jan 17 19:22:30 what do you mean ? even using nothing I get about 6 hours Jan 17 19:22:31 maybe 3 Jan 17 19:22:36 get new battery Jan 17 19:22:54 jacekowski: it is new. completely new phone. got it last week Jan 17 19:23:45 do you have skype enabled? Jan 17 19:24:02 kpoman: reflash with latest release and read the tips on TMO Jan 17 19:24:02 jacekowski: yep but did not chat or whatever Jan 17 19:24:26 disable skype Jan 17 19:24:31 Venemo_N900: I have latest, PR1.3 ? which command line gives enough detail ? Jan 17 19:24:37 keeping skype enabled keeps connection enabled Jan 17 19:24:43 and modem is transmitting all the time Jan 17 19:24:53 which on it's own kills battery Jan 17 19:25:01 and if you have less than optimal signal it's even worse Jan 17 19:25:04 jacekowski: why other phones have fring or msn or skype or whatever and last for many days ? Jan 17 19:25:12 like what/ Jan 17 19:25:13 none Jan 17 19:25:15 I understand Jan 17 19:25:16 but Jan 17 19:25:29 want to use the phone. if not, let me use those old nokia lasting for 5 days Jan 17 19:25:30 there are no other phones that have skype and last days Jan 17 19:25:45 first, n900 is not a phone Jan 17 19:25:47 it's a tablet Jan 17 19:25:50 kpoman: constant data connection will drain your battery. period. Jan 17 19:26:14 kpoman: I usually manage to get a day or so of battery life Jan 17 19:26:16 Venemo_N900: Reading through list of titles at "https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&product=Fennec&content=load+image" to see if report already exists Jan 17 19:26:18 Venemo_N900: yep sure. I already disabled facebook widget and some other stuff... however skype is part of the interest in having a smart phone Jan 17 19:26:24 jacekowski, technically, the n810 has skype and lasts quite a while. Jan 17 19:26:33 kpoman: also set-up your mail-receiving times to like once an hour and not every 5 minutes Jan 17 19:26:48 mikki-kun: I did that today. put from 5m to 15m for imap Jan 17 19:26:55 kpoman: well then live with the consequences Jan 17 19:26:55 lcuk: but is it integrated like the N900, or a standalone app like on the iPhone? Jan 17 19:27:02 set down the brightness a notch or two (i have it on 3) and that will already help you Jan 17 19:27:04 well, e-mails are nothing compared to skype Jan 17 19:27:05 I also wanted to disable attachment autodownload but seems like the funcionality doesnt exist on modest Jan 17 19:27:15 wmarone, afaik (its been a while) its integrated :) Jan 17 19:27:16 kpoman: 15 mins... do you rely that heavily on emails? Jan 17 19:27:25 its been a long while actually Jan 17 19:27:35 mikki-kun: yep lot, I have many hours fuses Jan 17 19:27:43 jacekowski: if you have three email-accounts syncing and you get on some ridicolously large emails it will drain your bat Jan 17 19:27:47 work with people from colombia, argentina, brazil, and france Jan 17 19:27:51 almost 8h gap Jan 17 19:27:56 mails anytime all the time Jan 17 19:27:57 kpoman: 6 hours is quite good with a constant data connection. Jan 17 19:28:18 hm Jan 17 19:28:35 ohhhh, and tracker... Jan 17 19:28:49 * lcuk turns off computer Jan 17 19:28:52 the tracker is said to be somewhat powerhungry at times Jan 17 19:28:55 Venemo_N900: how do I tune the phone to work as a blackberry for example Jan 17 19:28:56 btw. is push working on MfE on N900? Jan 17 19:29:09 kpoman: buy a blackberry :) Jan 17 19:29:13 Venemo_N900: I mean I used that 8310 bb for say 3 to 4 days Jan 17 19:29:22 kpoman: so what then? Jan 17 19:29:24 kpoman: did you run there skype? :) Jan 17 19:29:46 mikki-kun: no skype ... however I think that OVI thing of nokia should be there to help Jan 17 19:29:51 and do thing like mail caching Jan 17 19:29:52 or whatever Jan 17 19:29:55 instead of spam Jan 17 19:29:58 kpoman: increase the e-mail interval. then reduce screen brigness. switch to 2G if you don't need 3G speed. Jan 17 19:30:03 ohhh and are you on 3g or wlan? Jan 17 19:30:11 I think BB uses a lot of BB services to optimize network flow or whatever Jan 17 19:30:13 and dsable skype Jan 17 19:30:32 with bb you have server that does all heavy lifting Jan 17 19:30:38 kpoman: install autodisconnect. it will disconnect unused data connections Jan 17 19:30:40 yep Jan 17 19:30:42 and phone that get's all nice digested data Jan 17 19:30:45 that would be interesting on n900 / ovi Jan 17 19:30:48 kpoman: that doesn't make stuff better :) running skype does decrease your battery lifetime by some more or less huge amount :) Jan 17 19:30:55 or whatever the name of that spam thing is called Jan 17 19:30:56 :p Jan 17 19:30:58 kpoman: and only login to skype if you use it. if not, log out and disconnect Jan 17 19:31:26 kpoman: this is all I can tell Jan 17 19:31:30 mikki-kun: see, a server could help indexing mails, show only new stuff, allow searching, preview attachments, pass a small part of the text and more if needed, etc... Jan 17 19:32:34 kpoman: there're posts about smartreflex on tmo, but it makes the device freeze and randomly reboot for some people Jan 17 19:33:17 Venemo_N900: yep.. that happened to me Jan 17 19:33:21 kpoman: and overclocking makes battery life shorter as well Jan 17 19:33:49 Venemo_N900: maybe this happens with specific kernel. I have the power 46 right now. and got reboots with freq scaing with max 850MHz Jan 17 19:34:16 kpoman: HAH Jan 17 19:34:21 jacekowski: yes in general, but I suppose you should also put the display and network and all in the equation Jan 17 19:34:22 overclocking will break your device Jan 17 19:34:42 I mean, if you stay for 5 minutes waiting for a stuff to load, it will eat maybe more memory than if you stay 3 minutes Jan 17 19:34:44 kpoman: OVERcLOcKING DRAINS YOUR BATTERY IN ADDITION TO BREAKING YOUR DEVIcE Jan 17 19:35:01 jacekowski: ok I will disable that :p Jan 17 19:35:05 Captain CAPS and his crew are present :) Jan 17 19:35:08 I dont care much about overclocking Jan 17 19:35:09 XD Jan 17 19:35:15 just tested today for the first time Jan 17 19:35:16 lol mikki-kun :P Jan 17 19:35:24 kpoman: how much email do you get in an hour? Jan 17 19:35:43 mikki-kun: I get about 5 emails per hour Jan 17 19:35:52 half of them have attachments of more that 1MB Jan 17 19:36:06 hm... so are you getting the 6h on wlan or 3g? Jan 17 19:36:53 mikki-kun: I actually dont have really graphs about battery usage. only today. I put it with full charge at 7AM then at 2PM it was already dead Jan 17 19:37:12 kpoman: bring with yourself a charger then. Jan 17 19:37:20 kpoman: also buy a car charger Jan 17 19:37:22 had maybe some imap usage (about 20MB of attachments) Jan 17 19:37:31 not a lot of stuff Jan 17 19:37:38 *sigh* i didn't ask about graphs, i asked about whether you use 3g or wlan :) Jan 17 19:37:52 Venemo_N900: I would prefer, by now, to find out what is the common sense to improve bat life Jan 17 19:38:00 for example mail check frequency, Jan 17 19:38:07 not do download attachments alone Jan 17 19:38:23 put to 2g instead of 3g (is that true ???) Jan 17 19:38:31 kpoman: I already told you about a dozen ways to improve battery life Jan 17 19:38:31 etc... Jan 17 19:38:42 I read that SmartReflex is "the must" Jan 17 19:38:52 but is unstable with some configs Jan 17 19:39:02 I wonder if we are able to see how to make it stable Jan 17 19:39:15 kpoman: there is a status menu applet which allows you to change between 2G 3G and dual with a single click Jan 17 19:39:43 Venemo_N900: yep just installed one to do that Jan 17 19:39:51 ahhhh and don't use widgets which pool data lik every 5 minutes :) Jan 17 19:40:10 mikki-kun: took off that facebook thing Jan 17 19:40:16 weather-app? Jan 17 19:40:20 no Jan 17 19:40:22 dont have that Jan 17 19:40:23 mikki-kun: poll* Jan 17 19:40:34 or set the update interval of those widgets to a higher number Jan 17 19:40:49 jacekowski: ohhh, i thought it was pool ^^ Jan 17 19:40:53 I think the problem with skype is that its network protocol tries lot of different routes all the time Jan 17 19:40:58 to improve comm quality Jan 17 19:41:11 so I get all the time like 15 connexions trying to login Jan 17 19:41:13 that sucks Jan 17 19:41:43 brb Jan 17 19:44:05 SpeedEvil: were you the one with whom I talked about how to run a video in the background? Jan 17 19:44:27 kpoman: either use it or not :) but if you want better battery life think about what you really need on it Jan 17 19:47:19 lcuk: I tried to email Jonny Lamb, but seems that he no longer has the address that is in the package interface Jan 17 19:52:58 mikki-kun: do you know o a good battery logger Jan 17 19:53:28 battery logger? Jan 17 19:53:54 battery charge logger ... I am right now using battery eye application Jan 17 19:54:48 kpoman: there's batteryeye and batterygraph Jan 17 19:55:52 yep, battery eye seems quite good ... it was not updating but now does :p I was just impatient Jan 17 19:57:09 Venemo_N900: do you know if there is an app able to log amount of traffic by PID or whatever ? Jan 17 19:57:21 to see who is connecting, how much time, how much data etc... Jan 17 19:57:42 I suppose skype is using a lot of battery but would like to see it in numbers Jan 17 19:58:04 and also (general question), is an established tcp connexion the same than a voice communication ? Jan 17 19:58:23 in terms of battery usage Jan 17 20:00:11 is there call forwarding service this way i dont have to give out my real number? Jan 17 20:00:50 Venemo_N900, which address? Jan 17 20:01:36 lcuk: the one that is in his package info Jan 17 20:01:46 kpoman: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption Jan 17 20:01:48 lcuk: I hot a delivery error for it Jan 17 20:02:05 Venemo_N900, pm me the address you are using Jan 17 20:03:04 is there a service i can get a fake number as a call forwarder, this way i dont have have to give out my real number? Jan 17 20:03:20 SpeedEvil: thank you for the link... let me read it Jan 17 20:03:46 and Venemo_N900 which specific package name version link Jan 17 20:03:48 iluminator101: i am not sure, but i guess those forwarders cost money Jan 17 20:04:02 kpoman: In short - anything active over 3G is expensive if it uses more than a packet or two every 5 minutes Jan 17 20:04:26 Mikki-kun depends how much they cost Jan 17 20:09:00 SpeedEvil: yep right Jan 17 20:10:13 SpeedEvil: seems like, even with a great protocol telling all that is going on (mails, IM, etc...) every 30s, the best one could get is about 24 hours of battery life Jan 17 20:10:30 interpreting the line with long pings on 2g each 30s Jan 17 20:10:43 kpoman: 24 hours should be more than enough Jan 17 20:10:55 kpoman: you just put it on the charger for the night. Jan 17 20:11:03 yep sure, but implying something managing all your IM/etc... server side Jan 17 20:11:12 i usually put my n900 every night on the charger Jan 17 20:11:27 kpoman: that would be a security risk to some of us Jan 17 20:11:32 So I guess something really useful for nokia would be to have something useful serverside like blackberry et al Jan 17 20:11:47 i rahter have my own server doing that Jan 17 20:11:48 kpoman: yeah - or on your server Jan 17 20:11:51 mikki-kun: there are crypto stuff Jan 17 20:12:07 blackberry for example tells it crypts everything Jan 17 20:12:09 etc... Jan 17 20:12:10 kpoman: still it has to be decrypted and everything encrypted can be decrypted and hacked ;) Jan 17 20:12:31 kpoman: it tells, but does it really do in countries like india? ;) nopes, not there Jan 17 20:12:48 mikki-kun: yes I know :) but relying on existing technology like ssl or whatever ... openvpn for example Jan 17 20:13:04 ssl can be hacked rather easily Jan 17 20:13:19 at least i was told Jan 17 20:13:22 mikki-kun: yes but it is quite useful and common Jan 17 20:13:59 do you know if there is such a service ? like joining the whole IM/mail/social stuff server side ? Jan 17 20:14:13 and able to resume the whole thing every x seconds or whatever Jan 17 20:15:51 kpoman: I think there are some jabber-based services that do IM aggregation. I don't know if that would yield power savings, though Jan 17 20:16:41 MrBawb: ok thanks for the tip ... I will try to find some info on that ... Jan 17 20:16:42 there's also bitlbee (irc based IM aggregation), but it doesn't match up well with an IM client Jan 17 20:16:47 kpoman: tbh i wouldn't use such a feature, if not on my own server... Jan 17 20:17:15 mikki-kun: I mean seems like blackberry makes extensive use of that and battery behaves well Jan 17 20:17:16 MrBawb: bitlbee is good, but needs an irc client Jan 17 20:17:51 kpoman: try not using skype a battery charge and see how long it will be online ;) Jan 17 20:18:07 skype seems to be a very chatty protocol Jan 17 20:18:15 mikki-kun: ok, with battery eye it will be more noticeable Jan 17 20:18:47 kpoman: don't trust battery eye too much Jan 17 20:19:07 just use your own feeling :) Jan 17 20:19:20 and was that 6h on 3g? Jan 17 20:19:41 * alterego contemplates stereoscopic glasses connected to two N900s each running my gfx engine Jan 17 20:20:10 ok Jan 17 20:20:11 alterego: you wrote an gfx-engine?? :o Jan 17 20:20:25 btw battery eye seems to bug when connected the device as mass storage Jan 17 20:20:36 to a charging pc Jan 17 20:21:01 mikki-kun: writing :) Jan 17 20:21:03 mikki-kun: Makes me think of clever power-saving features in IRC proxy... Would delay messages by few rules to be sent in burst... Would also increase efficiency of compression in SSH port forwarding Jan 17 20:21:03 maybe those mount points Jan 17 20:21:11 mikki-kun: based on Qt Jan 17 20:21:21 pahartik: yes - that would help Jan 17 20:21:26 do you guys know if there is a way to cirvunvent having both mount point on the pc AND on the device ? Jan 17 20:21:41 I mean, when I connect as mass storage, it dismounts from the device, causing apps to die or whatever Jan 17 20:21:48 isnt there a -o bind options ? Jan 17 20:21:49 or something ? Jan 17 20:21:56 Can't work like that. Jan 17 20:22:08 The problem is that teh mass storage mount mounts it as a block device. Jan 17 20:22:15 aham Jan 17 20:22:23 pahartik: what do you need ssh for in bitlbee? Jan 17 20:22:25 So, the PC does not do 'delete foo.mpeg' Jan 17 20:22:44 It writes to the FAT, and other control structures, to delete the file Jan 17 20:23:02 This is basically impossible to allow on both sides at once. Jan 17 20:23:03 aha Jan 17 20:23:19 I understand... the only solution would be to mount as a windows share or whatever Jan 17 20:23:25 The only way round it is to build a virtual filesystem, and present that to the PC as a 'real' one. Jan 17 20:23:25 passing via a client server thing Jan 17 20:23:30 This is complex. Jan 17 20:23:32 yes, or that Jan 17 20:24:15 mikki-kun: I do not use "bitlbee" but I route IRC, IMAP, HTTP and such through compressed IPv6 SSH port forwarding... Jan 17 20:24:28 or maybe to export to windows a kind of fake fs on a ramdisk or whatever that would copy to the local fs Jan 17 20:25:04 kpoman: yes, that works too, but then of course, you have the problem that you can't access it all. Jan 17 20:25:15 alterego, interesting :p Jan 17 20:25:22 kpoman: there isn't a nice soution that lets it work flawlessly with all use-cases unfortunately. Jan 17 20:25:39 aha Jan 17 20:25:40 pahartik: hmmmm, if you have the upload/download you should do it :) Jan 17 20:26:12 pahartik: In principle - you can then do the above by setting up a queue on your server Jan 17 20:26:15 I just drop everything onto the device via sftp Jan 17 20:26:21 pahartik: It simply only sends packets every 30s Jan 17 20:28:10 mikki-kun: My Nokia N900 is mobile network IPv6 router 24/7 and Bluetooth PAN when needed by laptop workstation or other devices Jan 17 20:29:00 SpeedEvil: "bitlbee" has configurable delay for IRC? Jan 17 20:33:05 hi again Jan 17 20:34:55 hi Venemo_N900 Jan 17 20:35:16 hi MohammadAG Jan 17 20:35:17 SpeedEvil: 30 seconds sounds good, but I thought of additional rules... Queue up to 2 messages per nickname per channel, run queue whenever client sends... Jan 17 20:35:54 MohammadAG: DocScrutinizer tried to help me but it seems that the N900 will never be able to supply enough power to the hdd Jan 17 20:36:23 MohammadAG: he also asked me to reprimand you for not optifying the booston script Jan 17 20:36:54 o_O Jan 17 20:37:41 pahartik: I setup a bluetooth pan script to auto-configure the interface when it came up. would you be interested in it? Jan 17 20:38:00 SpeedEvil: And since I use "proxy" module of Irssi, would be nice to get rules implemented in it... Jan 17 20:38:05 MohammadAG: :P Jan 17 20:38:25 MrBawb: Sure I would like to see Jan 17 20:38:38 pahartik: ok Jan 17 20:38:46 booston is just some kbs Jan 17 20:38:55 does it _have_ to be optified? :P Jan 17 20:39:12 yes Jan 17 20:39:23 4kbs Jan 17 20:39:33 MohammadAG: I don't care :P talk about it with Doc Jan 17 20:39:51 the notorious lcuk, always lurking around Jan 17 20:40:13 pahartik: did you get that last burst of 5 lines? Jan 17 20:40:16 (he is always lcuking around) Jan 17 20:40:21 * lcuk became notorious when? Jan 17 20:40:33 * SpeedEvil imagines lcuk as a rapper. Jan 17 20:41:15 MohammadAG, when did I become notorious? was it sometime during my Magnum marathon yesterday? Jan 17 20:41:46 Yes Jan 17 20:41:51 (what marathon? lol) Jan 17 20:41:56 pahartik: (08:31:45 PM) SpeedEvil: yes - for IRC you want more than a dumb client It's pretty simple in principle to do. As you 'never' want to bother the n900 to have it respond to ping requests from the sever Jan 17 20:41:56 : I was meaning - this may have a point if you insert it not in the IRC, but in the general compressed feed Jan 17 20:42:02 MrBawb: Current state is that I just have to "z ; q ; v ; x" after connecting workstation... Most important commands I store to one character aliases in Maemo device Jan 17 20:42:05 Magnum P.I. first series DVD Jan 17 20:42:34 the intro credit music isn't introduced until the 12th episode o_O (which is on now!) Jan 17 20:44:52 SpeedEvil: Acknowledged Jan 17 20:45:21 SpeedEvil, lcuk would rap about maemo I guess Jan 17 20:48:25 phellarv: http://dan.drown.org/pan/ Jan 17 20:48:36 hm... how can i get the "IP" of my n900 when it is only connected to 2g? Jan 17 20:48:39 phellarv: it uses dbus-scripts to notice the pan interface goign up/down Jan 17 20:49:00 mikki-kun, same way you do when it's connected to wifi Jan 17 20:49:19 and why does it matter, most operators won't let you do anything other than interwebz Jan 17 20:50:09 timeless_xchat, got updates for gettext, I'm assuming they're safe? Jan 17 20:50:17 MohammadAG: i was thinking about using said connection to send 2 commands in case it gets stolen (and using that connection to ping my server the ip it currently uses) one rendering nolo broken and the other to forcing it to shut down :) Jan 17 20:50:44 i've roasted two computers Jan 17 20:50:54 i'm not here except to ask for help Jan 17 20:51:05 timeless_xchat: wow, medium, or bloody? :) Jan 17 20:51:18 yummy Jan 17 20:51:30 mikki-kun: "ip ad" Jan 17 20:51:39 mikki-kun, breaking NOLO in case it gets stolen eh Jan 17 20:51:49 nolo can be fixed Jan 17 20:51:54 i was thinking about encryption Jan 17 20:51:57 true Jan 17 20:52:00 and breaking encryption keys Jan 17 20:52:05 but it's a bit extreme Jan 17 20:52:05 mikki-kun: 99% of one computer's file system isn't available Jan 17 20:52:20 including a network enabled terminal Jan 17 20:52:21 at least 1%'s there Jan 17 20:52:28 jacekowski: who knows how to properly flash nolo? ;) Jan 17 20:52:37 the other is a server and its web service is down Jan 17 20:52:42 ~coldflash Jan 17 20:52:42 coldflash is, like, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 and next ~200 posts, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing Jan 17 20:52:45 he does Jan 17 20:53:13 and who else besides him? :) Jan 17 20:53:20 it's documented Jan 17 20:53:34 where is it properly documented? Jan 17 20:53:35 so, everyone who can RTFM Jan 17 20:53:51 see wiki page above Jan 17 20:55:22 well said MohammadAG Jan 17 20:55:31 d'oh, sorry i didn't see the wiki-link :/ Jan 17 20:55:57 :) Jan 17 20:56:01 it kinda went in one eye and went out the other without staying in my brain Jan 17 20:56:12 but who knows nolo is broken? :) Jan 17 20:56:29 not many users out there even know what the n900 is capable of :) Jan 17 20:56:39 but encryption is another point i might add :) Jan 17 20:57:05 mikki-kun: i do Jan 17 20:57:11 has anybody se far experience with encryption on the n900? Jan 17 20:57:42 curious how much it might slow the n900 down Jan 17 20:58:54 depends on what you wanna encrypt and how Jan 17 20:59:00 DocScrutinizer, DocScrutinizer51 ping Jan 17 21:00:21 hmm Jan 17 21:02:57 Venemo_N900: full emmc and the microSD :) Jan 17 21:03:28 mikki-kun: filesystem-wide encryption? Jan 17 21:03:54 hm, how much is that different from containers? Jan 17 21:04:09 that's a CPU raper Jan 17 21:04:15 wow Jan 17 21:05:43 mikki-kun: interesting idea, but it would definitely kill the usability of your device Jan 17 21:06:10 MohammadAG: you tried encrypting the FS's? Jan 17 21:06:34 no, theorically, it's a CPU raper Jan 17 21:06:44 theoretically* Jan 17 21:08:20 hum Jan 17 21:08:28 need to a way to test for hostmode alive Jan 17 21:08:51 alterego, if I hide() a MainWindow, what's the only way to restore it? Jan 17 21:09:00 s/only/best Jan 17 21:09:07 MohammadAG: show() Jan 17 21:09:09 tray icons aren't supported I think Jan 17 21:09:14 Venemo_N900, it's hidden Jan 17 21:09:18 now window at all Jan 17 21:09:45 MohammadAG: hide() = setVisibility(false) and show() = setVisibility(true) Jan 17 21:09:45 no* Jan 17 21:10:07 MohammadAG: what would you like to achieve? Jan 17 21:10:18 MrBawb: Are your scripts going to end up in "Maemo wiki"? Jan 17 21:10:30 Venemo_N900, hiding h-e-n's mainwindow on X if hostmode is active Jan 17 21:10:52 MohammadAG: to what end? Jan 17 21:10:58 pahartik: I want to package them properly eventually Jan 17 21:11:07 Venemo_N900, hiding it completely Jan 17 21:11:12 MohammadAG: I thought the way to disable hostmode is to close h-e-n Jan 17 21:11:30 some users want it to stay active Jan 17 21:11:39 MohammadAG: well maybe you should consider making it a statusbar applet or a control panel applet Jan 17 21:11:58 status bar is Gtk, I failed epically with DBus there Jan 17 21:12:16 I mean, I got the applet and all Jan 17 21:12:22 you already have expertise with cp applets Jan 17 21:12:49 those are Qt Jan 17 21:12:59 mhm. Jan 17 21:13:01 you can have Qt applets Jan 17 21:13:06 but not Qt status bar items Jan 17 21:13:15 hmhmm Jan 17 21:13:28 gtk isn't that hard Jan 17 21:14:09 anyway, I can help when I get back my damn laptop Jan 17 21:14:26 I hope they'll really repair it Jan 17 21:14:30 the applet is done Jan 17 21:14:40 but DBus-Glib or whatever it's called is hard Jan 17 21:14:55 what if you call QtDBus? Jan 17 21:15:01 from Gtk? Jan 17 21:15:04 * MohammadAG shrugs Jan 17 21:15:05 :P Jan 17 21:15:08 yes, why not Jan 17 21:15:18 MohammadAG: what difficulty are you having with dbus-glib? Jan 17 21:15:42 of course you'll need c++ files and your headers marked with extern c Jan 17 21:16:02 MrBawb, can't figure it out :P Jan 17 21:16:15 http://i55.tinypic.com/15s4oq8.jpg applet Jan 17 21:17:40 DocScrutinizer: I retried with fully charged battery Jan 17 21:17:44 MohammadAG: I have some code that calls dbus through the glib interface, would that help? Jan 17 21:18:00 MohammadAG: may i ask how you removed the blur? Jan 17 21:18:11 I didn't, thp did :) Jan 17 21:18:18 MrBawb, anything would help really Jan 17 21:18:26 MohammadAG: http://code.google.com/p/n900ipv6/source/browse/libicd-network-3g-ipv6/libicd_network_3g_ipv6.c Jan 17 21:18:30 DocScrutinizer: the hdd makes a much louder sound but still seems to be unable to spin up Jan 17 21:19:11 MohammadAG: there is also: http://library.gnome.org/devel/dbus-glib/unstable/ Jan 17 21:19:13 DocScrutinizer: I don't get any error message from h-e-n though Jan 17 21:19:37 MrBawb, thanks, I'l ll have a look at those when I update h-e-n, should be soon :) Jan 17 21:22:39 ehh! Jan 17 21:22:53 not much is missing, but it still doesn't work... :( Jan 17 21:23:45 MohammadAG: hm, is it in your hildon modification or does it work independantly? Jan 17 21:24:01 mikki-kun, thp made the patch, not me Jan 17 21:24:17 ahhhh, so it is a patch :) i thought a setting :) Jan 17 21:24:22 Venemo_N900, what are you doing?\ Jan 17 21:24:24 *searching the forums for it* Jan 17 21:26:07 MohammadAG: it was my second try with the usb hdd, this time with full battery Jan 17 21:26:20 battery doesn't matter Jan 17 21:26:23 what steps are you doing? Jan 17 21:26:29 it matters! Jan 17 21:26:46 nope Jan 17 21:26:49 with low battery, the script tells me battery low Jan 17 21:26:54 you can do hostmode on 1% battery life Jan 17 21:26:59 what script o_O Jan 17 21:27:00 no I can't. Jan 17 21:27:06 yes, you can Jan 17 21:27:12 DocScrutinizer's new booston script Jan 17 21:27:22 use the one from -devel Jan 17 21:27:23 it told me to charge my battery Jan 17 21:27:43 I'll have a look at DocScrutinizer's stuff and wrap it up nicely Jan 17 21:27:44 he sent me it himself and told me to replace the original one Jan 17 21:28:10 after replacing booston, the gui also uses his new script Jan 17 21:28:11 MohammadAG: ohhh, wow you even built a desaturate-hildon out of thp's patch :) can i just install that and my already installed patches like vertical settings will just work or do i have to reapply them again? Jan 17 21:28:59 MohammadAG, configurator. Jan 17 21:29:03 Venemo_N900, yes, I know, but use the old one, it's the one we all tested Jan 17 21:29:08 hm, HAM isn't woring anymore :/ Jan 17 21:29:14 working* Jan 17 21:29:31 lcuk, hum? Jan 17 21:30:06 for people to have a hildon with all patches included Jan 17 21:30:08 MohammadAG: anyway. with low-charged battery the hdd led lit up and the hdd gave a very silent clicking sound Jan 17 21:30:16 configurator to allow people to turn things on/off Jan 17 21:30:23 Venemo_N900 Jan 17 21:30:28 MohammadAG: now with fully charged battery, the hdd _almost_ spins up! Jan 17 21:30:31 you're supposed to plug in external power first Jan 17 21:30:42 then plug it into the N900 Jan 17 21:30:52 yes I know, but I have no way to power it externally Jan 17 21:30:54 lcuk, I'm a gconf noob, except if it's in Qt :p Jan 17 21:31:00 then it won't work Jan 17 21:31:08 the N900 can't power up an HDD Jan 17 21:31:14 yes, but it almost works :P Jan 17 21:31:38 and my DVD drive starts spinning then spits the disc out :p Jan 17 21:31:39 Venemo_N900: hm, would SSDs work via h-e-n? Jan 17 21:31:56 mikki-kun: what exactly is a USB flash drive? Jan 17 21:32:09 SSDs would work Jan 17 21:32:14 they're like a big flash anyway Jan 17 21:32:21 thanks Jan 17 21:32:25 isn't a USB stick just a small, cheap SSD powered by the USB? Jan 17 21:32:34 only if the interface card used stays under the current draw Jan 17 21:32:39 BCMM: i know what a flash-drive is, but i didn't recall anymore how much more and HDD needs compared to an SSD :) Jan 17 21:32:51 and an SSD is an expensive, SSD, powered by... SATA Jan 17 21:33:06 HDDs spin, SSDs don't Jan 17 21:33:28 MohammadAG: other question: why doesn't mouse clicks work? Jan 17 21:33:35 don't* Jan 17 21:33:37 USB HDDs typically have a mains adapto Jan 17 21:33:46 MohammadAG: i can show you also spinning SSDs =p Jan 17 21:33:47 hmm Jan 17 21:33:48 they do Jan 17 21:34:05 (if they're just an enclosure for a standard desktop or laptop hard drive, that is - the ipod classic was a USB-powered hard drive) Jan 17 21:34:35 BCMM: my main problem is, I haven't got a means to connect the power trunk of the Y-cable to a power source Jan 17 21:34:39 maybe those 1.8" drives could be made to spin up Jan 17 21:34:40 and my ipod classic worked fine with H-E-N, Jan 17 21:35:15 MohammadAG: the mouse movements are weirdly regnized, but clicks not at all. that's with my usb mouse Jan 17 21:35:17 grr argh! Why is my qml wrapper so much slower than qmlviewer? Jan 17 21:35:19 BCMM: :) thanks for the ino :) Jan 17 21:35:21 *info Jan 17 21:35:47 mece, pure Qt ftw Jan 17 21:35:59 Venemo_N900, hmm Jan 17 21:36:08 I have bt-hid-scripts and mice work fine Jan 17 21:36:24 well it's the pure qt bit that makes it slow... Jan 17 21:36:28 MohammadAG: mhm Jan 17 21:37:02 mece, pure Qt on its own ftw Jan 17 21:37:06 :P Jan 17 21:38:32 MohammadAG: and the mouse moves very weirdly Jan 17 21:38:53 yeah, that's normal, you need a patched driver Jan 17 21:38:58 which bt-hid-scripts has afaik Jan 17 21:39:22 Nokia tried hard to cripple the SW side of hostmode :P Jan 17 21:39:23 I installed it Jan 17 21:39:29 maybe a reboot is required? Jan 17 21:40:29 MohammadAG: oh, and my hub also doesn't work okay Jan 17 21:40:42 oh, you didn't reboot? Jan 17 21:41:15 well, all the linux people say, rebooting is unnecessary Jan 17 21:41:45 meh Jan 17 21:41:47 I'll reboot. Jan 17 21:41:49 brb Jan 17 21:42:17 We are maemo Jan 17 21:42:19 * MohammadAG giggles Jan 17 21:42:42 I AM THE CONTENT Jan 17 21:42:49 I AM THE MEDIUM Jan 17 21:43:53 linux doesn't typically require rebooting. however, sometimes hardware does... Jan 17 21:44:17 windows doesn't typically require rebooting. however, sometimes hardware does... Jan 17 21:46:11 windows *does* require reboots Jan 17 21:46:12 MohammadAG: it works!!! Jan 17 21:46:15 constantly Jan 17 21:46:19 Gyjf: linux too. Jan 17 21:46:29 Gyjf: those who say otherwise lie Jan 17 21:46:33 kerio, loved that ad Jan 17 21:46:36 Venemo_N900, :) Jan 17 21:46:56 Gyjf: my laptop has over 100 days uptime Jan 17 21:47:07 Gyjf: and has windows 7 running over it Jan 17 21:47:09 kerio, though I recall most ads said open, not 47% open :P Jan 17 21:47:10 on it* Jan 17 21:47:34 though I have to say, being with this community was enjoyable Jan 17 21:47:41 hopefully, MeeGo won't kill that Jan 17 21:48:09 also, is it me that only thinks tmo > meego's forums design wise? Jan 17 21:48:46 MohammadAG: why do you say "was"? are you leaving us: :( Jan 17 21:48:52 MohammadAG: why even bother looking over there? i kind of think meego will be like android :/ Jan 17 21:49:39 yes, I'm joining the Motorola Startac community Jan 17 21:49:49 developing for one-lined monochrome devices ftw Jan 17 21:49:57 ha Jan 17 21:50:05 MohammadAG: any extra info about hostmode+hubs? Jan 17 21:50:06 mikki-kun, iAndroid actually, a merge of both Jan 17 21:50:36 MohammadAG, is leaving the community? Jan 17 21:50:40 hey, meego is nice Jan 17 21:50:42 MohammadAG: :(((( Jan 17 21:50:43 handset ux sux. Jan 17 21:51:36 handset ux is meant for handsets Jan 17 21:51:38 I'm just kidding lol Jan 17 21:51:47 it still sucks :p Jan 17 21:51:51 I like smoku's idea of porting hildon to meego Jan 17 21:51:58 seeing as how there's no actual reference tablet ux Jan 17 21:51:58 we all do Jan 17 21:51:59 well, but meego will keep the noobs out of our territory :) Jan 17 21:52:09 MohammadAG: I realized that I have here my roommate's externally powered HDD!! :D Jan 17 21:52:21 lol Jan 17 21:52:30 that would work Jan 17 21:53:02 Venemo_N900: get a non-powered one and try it with the n900 all alone Jan 17 21:53:06 MohammadAG: works! Jan 17 21:53:20 mikki-kun: read back. i already did. Jan 17 21:53:44 ohhhh, then why did you say "externally powered HDD"? Jan 17 21:53:53 that one confuses me now Jan 17 21:54:19 mikki-kun: so. I have _my roommate's_ externally powered one, which I found 5 minutes ago Jan 17 21:54:29 mikki-kun: and my own, which is not externally powered Jan 17 21:54:36 ahhhh, ok ^^ Jan 17 21:54:43 mikki-kun: you get it? Jan 17 21:54:47 so you tried on two :) Jan 17 21:54:52 yep. Jan 17 21:55:22 the non-externally powered one almost works, but can't spin up. :( Jan 17 21:56:01 you are trying a 2.5" i assume Jan 17 21:57:09 mikki-kun: correct. Jan 17 21:57:33 mikki-kun: the externally powered one is 3.5" in an enclosure which has an AC adapter Jan 17 21:58:13 MohammadAG: is it possible that this bt mouse package messed up something with x input? Jan 17 21:58:29 hm, BCMM said he was able to power his ipod classic (1.8" hdd) Jan 17 21:59:08 MohammadAG: oh, yeah. I lost my remapped kblayout Jan 17 21:59:12 Venemo_N900, why? Jan 17 21:59:14 heh Jan 17 21:59:16 mikki-kun: well I said almost Jan 17 21:59:53 seriously, trying an HDD is a lost cause Jan 17 21:59:58 i thought the n900 was able to power pretty much anything that conforms to USB specs? Jan 17 22:00:03 * MohammadAG continues on h-e-n powered missile launcher Jan 17 22:00:05 nah. tomorrow I'll get me an usb-to-vga too. Jan 17 22:00:15 5V @ 200mA Jan 17 22:00:20 i mean, the ipod charges from a PC, so presumably draws the maximum permitted current Jan 17 22:00:23 normal ports are 500mA I think Jan 17 22:00:39 yes, but the N900 can't supply more than 200mA Jan 17 22:00:40 hm, aren't there even low-power 2.5" hdds which are extra slow only at like 4500 rpm? Jan 17 22:00:43 correct Jan 17 22:00:45 MohammadAG: you're porting a driver for one of those USB missile launchers? Jan 17 22:01:05 MohammadAG: huh, so why didn't the ipod cause problems? Jan 17 22:01:08 mikki-kun: this is not one of those Jan 17 22:01:17 no, I'm making my own, nuclear missiles and all Jan 17 22:01:18 i think it was pretty much flat, but i plugged it in and read files from it just fine Jan 17 22:01:22 Venemo_N900: i am just saying :) those might work Jan 17 22:01:28 * MohammadAG waits for government to read logs Jan 17 22:01:36 mikki-kun: :) Jan 17 22:01:48 MohammadAG: going for the record for connecting "peripherals" that are larger than the device? Jan 17 22:02:06 nah, I already did that Jan 17 22:02:14 MohammadAG: hm. the israelian government already knows that the palestinans are making missiles against them :P Jan 17 22:02:23 it's fun how much we can do with the n900 due to some seriously intelligent hackers ;) Jan 17 22:02:32 (they need to make a USB version of those FireWire-based fighter jets) Jan 17 22:02:38 mikki-kun: agreed :) Jan 17 22:03:37 and it makes me laugh at those iphone users when i can show them the bling-bling mohammad&co give us :> Jan 17 22:03:54 hehe : Jan 17 22:03:56 ) Jan 17 22:04:00 can android users even switch themes? Ö.ö Jan 17 22:04:11 from what i see the can only change their wallpaper Jan 17 22:04:35 heh Jan 17 22:04:39 who knows? Jan 17 22:04:49 android is disgusting Jan 17 22:04:50 presumably it is possible, if not easy, since there are hardware manufacturers who extensively mess about with the android UI Jan 17 22:05:03 maybe they have source for more than users do, though Jan 17 22:05:34 nah. I'll need an usb-vga thingy and an usb kbd. then it'll feel like a full computer :P Jan 17 22:05:50 tv-out? Jan 17 22:06:08 BCMM: that cable is 200km from me atm :( Jan 17 22:06:21 i've played Doom (prboom) on the n900 using a big TV and a USB keyboard :) Jan 17 22:06:24 but then I'd still need an rca-to-vga thingy Jan 17 22:06:30 :) Jan 17 22:07:03 need to show that to proud console owners Jan 17 22:07:15 i can plug my phone into the TV and play the greatest FPS of all time Jan 17 22:08:02 * you might need a powered hub Jan 17 22:08:05 might Jan 17 22:08:19 ask javispedro Jan 17 22:08:31 hehe Jan 17 22:08:49 MohammadAG: I was looking for one but didn't find Jan 17 22:08:52 will try tomorrow Jan 17 22:09:42 MohammadAG: on your MediaBar... is it normal the media-player buttons don't show? Jan 17 22:10:06 * MohammadAG51 waits for MohammadAG to quit Jan 17 22:10:16 MohammadAG: any way to watch the battery while bme is off? Jan 17 22:10:32 MohammadAG51: ghost yourself? Jan 17 22:10:37 i did Jan 17 22:10:53 right Jan 17 22:11:07 huh, nickserv is busy? Jan 17 22:11:13 or maybe just distracted Jan 17 22:12:19 :) Jan 17 22:12:31 Venemo_N900, bq something script Jan 17 22:12:41 need to ask DocScrutinizer about that Jan 17 22:12:48 also, need to recode h-e-n Jan 17 22:12:55 DocScrutinizer: you're asked. Jan 17 22:13:14 too much duplicate code Jan 17 22:13:20 MohammadAG51: maybe include the batterymeter update in the hen status applet Jan 17 22:13:33 Venemo_N900, was thinking that Jan 17 22:13:50 good thinking Jan 17 22:13:51 there's already a replacement battery applet Jan 17 22:13:56 we just need to mod it Jan 17 22:16:14 mhm Jan 17 22:16:35 DocScrutinizer: oh. the led pattern is very irritating while watching a movie Jan 17 22:16:44 DocScrutinizer: maybe a steady pink would be enough Jan 17 22:16:48 which pattern? Jan 17 22:17:10 the one that shows up when hostmode is enabled Jan 17 22:17:17 there are none Jan 17 22:17:23 unless he added it Jan 17 22:17:24 what colour? Jan 17 22:17:24 ehhhm. Jan 17 22:17:34 some of the n900 stuff is only available, if i make an account on this ovi store ? Jan 17 22:17:38 currently it is blinking red/pink Jan 17 22:17:58 eichi: what are you referring to? Jan 17 22:18:01 told you to use the old booston, it's not verbose :P Jan 17 22:19:07 Venemo_N900: what do you mean? Jan 17 22:19:09 MohammadAG51: well sorry but I wouldn't betray Doc :P Jan 17 22:19:26 faithful Jan 17 22:19:29 eichi: what is only available if you have an ovi account? Jan 17 22:20:09 grep for lp55* and replace the lines with the colour you want Jan 17 22:20:33 * MohammadAG51 looks for drumkit Jan 17 22:20:54 for rock band of course :P Jan 17 22:21:25 you like rock music? Jan 17 22:22:48 Venemo_N900: some of the free themes and games? Jan 17 22:22:59 free, like freebeer Jan 17 22:23:43 Venemo_N900, you'd be surprised what I like Jan 17 22:24:02 you'd find me listening to metal, then switch to dance Jan 17 22:24:02 If I want to have a graphical application that is a tcp/ip client; which language should I use to code this on an n800? I'd like to duplicate an app that exists on an iphone but is crap and prove that the wireless is not well handled in this app (sleep/wakeup/disconnection/god knows what) Jan 17 22:24:43 Venemo_N900, rock band's fun, with friends mostly Jan 17 22:25:40 MohammadAG51: so you listen to mostly everything? Jan 17 22:25:49 eichi: only the sh*t in ovi Jan 17 22:25:52 except rap Jan 17 22:26:08 MohammadAG51: there is rap and then there is crap ;) Jan 17 22:26:09 MohammadAG51: I also like metal Jan 17 22:26:32 I mean, I don't mind dance/trance, but I prefer rock/metal Jan 17 22:26:32 the old ones Jan 17 22:26:34 MohammadAG51: sometimes also lighter genres Jan 17 22:26:34 Any python app you know which I could take as example to code this tcp/ip client? I need like 4 buttons to send specific datas. Jan 17 22:26:37 Metallica's awesome Jan 17 22:26:39 mikki-kun: :D Jan 17 22:26:52 speaking of music Jan 17 22:26:54 Venemo_N900: hm, okay Jan 17 22:27:00 you asked about mediabar controls? Jan 17 22:27:05 hold the mediaplayer icon Jan 17 22:27:37 MohammadAG51: i'll try :) Jan 17 22:27:45 Nothing Else Matters would be my favorite song Jan 17 22:27:58 i held it wrong as it seems ^^ Jan 17 22:28:12 (live performace, studio recording one is too light) Jan 17 22:28:19 i like pretty many songs from metallica :) Jan 17 22:29:15 Fade to black would be second, master of puppets 3rd Jan 17 22:29:36 So F***ing What is lulz Jan 17 22:30:21 Fade to black is really good imo :) Jan 17 22:30:59 I like the part where they do the 3 note guitar thingy Jan 17 22:31:06 i like st anger as well Jan 17 22:31:06 when it goes from high to low Jan 17 22:31:27 Bullet for My Valentine's good Jan 17 22:31:35 crashanddie hates them :P Jan 17 22:31:41 Ö.ö Jan 17 22:31:48 how can he?! Jan 17 22:31:58 or he was kidding Jan 17 22:32:06 i had a bug in the mediaplayer Jan 17 22:32:19 he was like, that's what you get for listening to BFMV Jan 17 22:32:19 :P Jan 17 22:32:39 Linkin Park, they were good, old albums were fine Jan 17 22:33:05 do you count meteora to the old ones? Jan 17 22:33:25 all except A Thousand Suns Jan 17 22:33:39 i would retitle that as A Thousand Fans (lost) Jan 17 22:33:43 isn't that their newest creation? Jan 17 22:33:55 yes, i hate autotune Jan 17 22:34:31 * MohammadAG51 wonders if anyone's a guitarist here Jan 17 22:34:42 would love to see if anyone could play Afterlife's solo Jan 17 22:34:59 (I know I can't!) Jan 17 22:35:18 MohammadAG51: i once thought about it but then i started with the n900 and got more into linux... Jan 17 22:35:54 starting on PS3 drums, might upgrade to real life drums later Jan 17 22:35:55 and i am not sure if my fingers are up to it and also my computers for the audio... Jan 17 22:36:22 tbh, I don't mind playing guitars on headphones Jan 17 22:36:28 but i don't have a guitar :P Jan 17 22:36:48 neither do I know how to play one, so :p Jan 17 22:38:00 hm... i guess you were refering to quality headphones :) Jan 17 22:38:37 I wouldn't mind stock N900 ones, if I had to :P Jan 17 22:38:58 i broke mine :) Jan 17 22:39:07 me too Jan 17 22:39:08 usually it's the cable which breaks Jan 17 22:39:09 hehe Jan 17 22:39:21 my mic broke Jan 17 22:39:27 so i bought headphones where i can just switch the cable Jan 17 22:39:30 not physically Jan 17 22:39:36 it just doesn't pass sound anymore Jan 17 22:39:50 now i just have to order every now and then a new cable :) Jan 17 22:39:53 though I miss the button for play/pause and mic for calls Jan 17 22:40:48 i saw on youtube an awesome use for the n900 *searching* Jan 17 22:41:02 mikki-kun: it's always the plugs on my headphones Jan 17 22:41:08 Venemo_N900: According to service at "https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/post_bug.cgi", "Bug 626514 has been added to the database" Jan 17 22:41:09 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/626514 was not found. Jan 17 22:41:11 or rather, the cable, where it leaves the plug Jan 17 22:41:15 earplugs? Jan 17 22:41:22 lost 3 till now Jan 17 22:41:39 BCMM: you would be amazed by how much the plug of the 3.5mm causes failures Jan 17 22:42:17 * MohammadAG51 wants telepathy notifications Jan 17 22:42:20 i'm so fed up of looking for a nice wired handsfree that i think i'm going to try and graft a microphone on to my broken (at the plug) nice earphones Jan 17 22:42:22 for online-fline Jan 17 22:42:25 offline* Jan 17 22:42:37 ("nice" is defined as clipping on to the ear rather than going inside the ear) Jan 17 22:42:56 in-ear ftw Jan 17 22:43:01 well, i have now this pair of headphones :)http://ultrasone.com/index.php/en/products/dj-1-pro.html Jan 17 22:43:39 MohammadAG51: doctors suggested i stop using them... Jan 17 22:43:44 oh Jan 17 22:43:51 any reason? Jan 17 22:44:03 or is it personal? Jan 17 22:44:07 yeah, earwax built up until i went mostly deaf a few times Jan 17 22:44:17 so now i don't stick anything in my ear Jan 17 22:44:19 probably TMI there Jan 17 22:44:49 only problems I have with in-ear is when changing altitude Jan 17 22:44:58 pressure difference and such Jan 17 22:45:23 i don't like in-ears anymore somehow... so small... Jan 17 22:45:43 i like the BH-905i Jan 17 22:45:53 pahartik: thx Jan 17 22:46:08 but i don't like cottom/wool/anything that heats up covering my ears Jan 17 22:46:16 MohammadAG51: anyway, it feels stupid to take off headphones and put in a handsfree to make a call Jan 17 22:46:35 but as far as i can tell you can't get clip-on handsfrees Jan 17 22:46:37 I use the built in mic Jan 17 22:46:45 mediabar needs a bed mode... Jan 17 22:46:46 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzSuTPKG57Q <--- awesome idea :) Jan 17 22:47:15 i mean stuff vaguely like http://hifi-ring.com/uploads/posts/audio-technica_ath-eq600.jpg Jan 17 22:47:17 bed mode Jan 17 22:47:18 ? Jan 17 22:47:44 yeah Jan 17 22:47:57 when you're in bed Jan 17 22:48:03 BCMM i hate those (wearing glasses while having them on really hurts after some time) Jan 17 22:48:05 the proximity will be covered by the sensor Jan 17 22:48:11 anyone got any ideas for how to do the junction between several wires if i try and graft a microphone + new cable on to my broken earphones? do you think you can buy tiny junction boxes? Jan 17 22:48:27 and if I flip to the other side, phone goes to portrait Jan 17 22:48:30 mikki-kun: i wear mine with sunglasses and a cycle helmet, and, surprisingly, it works Jan 17 22:48:50 mikki-kun, jon was awesome Jan 17 22:48:58 sadly he left that channel, and it went downhill Jan 17 22:49:18 i had those kind of earphones in the past.. i really was having problems after some time due to sore ears :( Jan 17 22:49:48 MohammadAG51: i just saw this recently... and just two minutes ago a video where he explained why he left :/ Jan 17 22:53:00 hmmm, now I gotta figure out the architecture for the CBSMS support. I plan to take the gisi code from ofono and use it in a stand-alone library (which looks possible) Jan 17 22:53:30 and I can write something similar to the isi-modem cbs.c file to do the actual CBSMS Jan 17 22:54:25 I think what I need is a libcsd-xxx type plugin for CBSMS but I dont think anyone outside of Nokia knows how to write one Jan 17 22:56:56 Time to reverse engineer this stuff :) Jan 17 22:57:19 jonwil: gl hf :) Jan 17 22:57:32 reverse engineering IS fun Jan 17 22:59:32 is there anything special about n900 handsfrees, or can they just be an ordinary mic and headphone wired to the same four-conductor plug? Jan 17 23:03:39 hah Jan 17 23:03:43 gas-balls crashed Jan 17 23:06:48 I have a class that has method that check when MafwRenderer is added that it is Mafw-Gst-Renderer Jan 17 23:07:03 add if it is it calls mafw_renderer_get_status Jan 17 23:07:32 but that allways returns 2020672 state Jan 17 23:07:34 hm Jan 17 23:07:42 HAM is completely borked Jan 17 23:08:10 yet another mediaplayer widget? Jan 17 23:08:15 :p Jan 17 23:08:26 no just now playing feature to my irc client Jan 17 23:09:31 if connect the state-changed it works when the state changed Jan 17 23:09:31 wmarone: tell us something new :) Jan 17 23:09:47 doh Jan 17 23:09:50 ah Jan 17 23:09:55 but I can not get the current state when I start my irc client :S Jan 17 23:10:02 ArGGu^^, if you find an answer to that, let me know Jan 17 23:10:06 I need it too Jan 17 23:10:09 btw Jan 17 23:10:15 it just returns 2020672 :S Jan 17 23:10:20 media-player-widget does it Jan 17 23:10:30 Add that is not in the enum :S Jan 17 23:10:34 *and Jan 17 23:11:00 jonwil: if you really want do it i can reverse it for you Jan 17 23:11:14 reverfse engineer what? The csd plugin interface? Jan 17 23:11:25 Seems to be somehow tied to dbus Jan 17 23:11:58 csd sends messages on system bus Jan 17 23:12:10 ArGGu^^, media-player-widget is open FYI Jan 17 23:13:31 MohammadAG51 url to the source? Jan 17 23:13:42 apt-get source it Jan 17 23:13:43 or Jan 17 23:13:58 http://maemo.org/packages/view/media-player-widget Jan 17 23:14:48 Unable to find a source package for media-player-widget :S Jan 17 23:15:20 hmm maybe I don't have the src on my sources.list Jan 17 23:16:04 see link above Jan 17 23:16:36 so I think we need libgisi (isi code from ofono ported to fremantle), libcsd-cbs.so as CSD plugin followed by something that talks to CSD and csd-cbs to actually do some output. Jan 17 23:24:16 does the n900 support wired hands-frees with an answer button? Jan 17 23:24:49 yes Jan 17 23:24:59 the included headset Jan 17 23:25:40 oops, didn't look too hard at that because it was uncomfortable Jan 17 23:26:41 do you know if it would support 2.5mm stuff (like for the 3410), with a simple 2.5mm->3.5mm adaptor? has the signal used by the answer button changed since then? Jan 17 23:27:17 most probably yes Jan 17 23:28:49 Hey, just a quick question: is it possible somehow to change default font size on maemo so people with eye-disorientation could use the device more easily without glasses? Jan 17 23:29:06 splendid! my nice broken earphones and nasty broken hands-free will become a working hands-free with nice earphones! Jan 17 23:30:31 that, or i'll set fire to the whole thing because it's tiny and i haven't soldered in ages Jan 17 23:31:04 MohammadAG51 got it to work Jan 17 23:31:07 amti, yes, likely to break things if taken very far. Jan 17 23:31:26 Had to add parameters Jan 17 23:31:57 ArGGu^^, hm, how? Jan 17 23:31:57 it send more parameters with mafw_renderer_get_status than the signlan state-changed Jan 17 23:32:09 GAN900, but maybe a little bit? symbian phones have some settings that you normally can tweak for that. Jan 17 23:32:33 so it the odd number was playlist Jan 17 23:32:37 *the Jan 17 23:32:42 ah Jan 17 23:32:47 need to to functions :S Jan 17 23:33:02 one for signal and one for the mafw_renderer_get_status Jan 17 23:33:27 amti, GTK theming Jan 17 23:33:31 so get-status returns status-changed? Jan 17 23:33:34 amti, not a GUI setting. Jan 17 23:33:56 Didn't somebody put one in Extras? I know there were a few for Maemo 1-4. Jan 17 23:34:07 GAN900: isn't there themecustomizer for that? Jan 17 23:34:07 MohammadAG51 no Jan 17 23:34:19 status-change is signal Jan 17 23:34:20 to make fonts bigger Jan 17 23:34:36 yeah Jan 17 23:34:46 so again Jan 17 23:34:53 get-status sends that signal? Jan 17 23:35:03 mafw_renderer_get_status does not emit the signal Jan 17 23:35:11 amti: maybe try the package called "theme-customizer" (something like that) it should allow you to get bigger fonts :) Jan 17 23:35:19 it needs a callback function Jan 17 23:35:30 and it send more parameters than the signal Jan 17 23:35:36 so you need two functions Jan 17 23:35:56 one to handle the signal and one for mafw_renderer_get_status Jan 17 23:36:39 MohammadAG51 do you understand what I'm saying? :S Jan 17 23:36:51 yes, basically, duplicate code Jan 17 23:36:59 * MohammadAG51 sighs at mafw Jan 17 23:37:13 i'd expect get_status to send the same signals Jan 17 23:41:34 jacekowski: What exactly is it you said you could reverse engineer? Interface for csd plugins? csd_xxx functions exported from the csd daemon binary? Jan 17 23:44:33 MohammadAG51 no need for duplicate code Jan 17 23:44:48 just call from another function the another function Jan 17 23:45:09 I use withe the get_status onRendererAdded Jan 17 23:45:13 *with Jan 17 23:45:25 and with signal checkRendererStatus Jan 17 23:45:35 so I just call the checkRendererStatus from onRendererAdded Jan 17 23:46:35 ah Jan 17 23:47:31 Have you tried Nokia Qt SDK. It is nice Jan 17 23:47:41 no need for scratchbox Jan 17 23:48:28 just need to connect n900 with mad developer to pc Jan 17 23:48:50 hm, what is the difference between scratchbox and nokia qt sdk? Jan 17 23:48:51 I use it for developing the app Jan 17 23:48:56 * alterego adds terrain mesh loading to his gayme engine Jan 17 23:49:00 but still use scratchbox for packaging Jan 17 23:49:05 s/gayme/graphics Jan 17 23:49:10 The Qt SDK makes things piss easy Jan 17 23:49:12 I may write a game in it though ^.^ Jan 17 23:49:18 mikki-kun nokia qt sdk uses the n900 for compile Jan 17 23:49:22 * MohammadAG51 asks what mesh means Jan 17 23:49:33 err, what? Jan 17 23:49:37 ArGGu^^: it uses madde to compile Jan 17 23:49:40 and it run automatically the application on n900 Jan 17 23:49:42 it uses a sysroot on your pc Jan 17 23:49:42 ArGGu^^: N900 is just the runtime .. Jan 17 23:49:58 hmm so it only with symbian like that? Jan 17 23:50:01 basically, it's a glorified scp binary n900, ssh run Jan 17 23:50:04 ahhhh... *floodwarning* *floodwarning* too much information Jan 17 23:50:07 umm Jan 17 23:50:12 ArGGu^^: No, symbian has a cross-compilation toolchain too. Jan 17 23:50:14 symbian has no on-device compiler Jan 17 23:50:27 MohammadAG51: that's not entirely true, there is OPL Jan 17 23:50:35 alterego, OPL? Jan 17 23:50:39 And Python, if you're going to be really anal :P Jan 17 23:50:48 but it need the armel architecture :S Jan 17 23:50:53 for n900 Jan 17 23:50:56 * MohammadAG51 rapes alterego Jan 17 23:51:02 cross compiler Jan 17 23:51:04 cross Jan 17 23:51:14 it compiles armel binaries on your PC Jan 17 23:51:19 tbh Jan 17 23:51:25 MohammadAG51: maybe "X-Compiler" would be more helpful to read :) Jan 17 23:51:25 it's an advanced scratchbox Jan 17 23:51:39 or more retarded, depending on how you look @ it Jan 17 23:51:53 so if i might want to do anything for the n900 Nokia QT SDK might be the better tool? Jan 17 23:52:02 mikki-kun: no, not anything. Jan 17 23:52:10 Qt Jan 17 23:52:10 mikki-kun: but it's damn good for a lot of things ;) Jan 17 23:52:16 and debugging Jan 17 23:52:27 debugging is epic in it Jan 17 23:52:36 Nokia Qt SDK is a convenient way of installing Qt Creator and madde. Jan 17 23:52:41 makes you wanna add bugs to try it Jan 17 23:52:54 But you don't have to code in Qt, you can use madde and develop in C, or C++ and not even link with Qt Jan 17 23:53:16 true, but it's a bit annoying then Jan 17 23:53:26 Not really, a lot of things don't require Qt :P Jan 17 23:53:28 actually Jan 17 23:53:35 alterego: so for nokia qt sdk i can use c++? Jan 17 23:53:35 media-im-status-updater uses it to compile it Jan 17 23:53:42 and C Jan 17 23:53:46 mikki-kun: yes, mikki-kun just install it, seriously :) Jan 17 23:53:54 and python Jan 17 23:53:59 hm, what did i miss so far on the n900 :> Jan 17 23:54:03 MohammadAG51: yes, it uses madde and qmake, no Qt dependencies though :P Jan 17 23:54:04 syntax will look retarded Jan 17 23:54:09 i seriously need my c++ skills upped Jan 17 23:54:11 i know alterego :P Jan 17 23:54:20 it also uses INCLUDEPATH Jan 17 23:54:22 In fact, it doesn't actually use madde. Jan 17 23:54:25 instead of PKG_CONFIG Jan 17 23:54:34 MohammadAG51: it was my first app :P Jan 17 23:54:37 which is annoying :P Jan 17 23:54:43 alterego, n00b! Jan 17 23:55:04 pfft Jan 17 23:55:09 alterego, thinking of rewriting it Jan 17 23:55:15 the UI part Jan 17 23:55:18 You are? Jan 17 23:55:20 you cba to do it apparently Jan 17 23:55:22 :P Jan 17 23:55:33 Well, I've got more interesting things to do. Jan 17 23:55:34 yeah Jan 17 23:55:42 true that Jan 17 23:55:49 And there are a few things about it that are annoying so it's not a ten minute job. Jan 17 23:55:50 cambridge meet up? :P Jan 17 23:56:04 hmm Jan 17 23:56:07 like what? Jan 17 23:56:26 Can't remember, I just remmeber doing the UI, then thinking, hrm, this isn't as easy as I thought it'd be. Jan 17 23:56:39 So I didn't bother finishing it. Jan 17 23:56:47 I should really look at it again tbh. Jan 17 23:56:59 ImportError: libpyside.so.1.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Jan 17 23:57:10 that's why i feel like rewriting it for you :P Jan 17 23:57:30 Maybe you should install pyside, isn't it part of the deps? Jan 17 23:57:31 MohammadAG51 btw what are you doing? Jan 17 23:57:47 trying to sleep Jan 17 23:57:49 I mean what you developing Jan 17 23:57:55 alterego, it is Jan 17 23:58:00 something's wrong it seems Jan 17 23:58:10 *what you are Jan 17 23:58:11 ArGGu^^, mediaplayer and mediabar need work Jan 17 23:58:12 Hrm, well, people still seem to be able to install and use it .. Jan 17 23:58:46 something's wrong on my device it seems Jan 17 23:58:48 happy? Jan 17 23:59:00 :) Jan 17 23:59:11 I don't feel like sleeping Jan 17 23:59:16 but I have an exam :/ Jan 17 23:59:27 MohammadAG51: which subject is it about? Jan 18 00:00:38 Physics Unit 3 Jan 18 00:05:06 * MohammadAG51 despertely needs the Qt bug when launching apps in portrait mode fixed Jan 18 00:05:45 What I need to do that when pressing X from mainwindow the whole application wont quit? Jan 18 00:08:09 hm? Jan 18 00:08:18 MohammadAG51: btw MediaBar so far is really an awesome app :) Jan 18 00:08:21 override the closeEvent() Jan 18 00:08:24 MohammadAG51, do you know specific problem? (have you gdbed it) Jan 18 00:08:30 MohammadAG51 ok thanks Jan 18 00:08:40 and is there a qtbug for it Jan 18 00:08:46 lcuk, yes, Venemo traced it back to QApplication, and yes Jan 18 00:08:58 mikki-kun, it needs work really Jan 18 00:09:05 exams != free time :P Jan 18 00:09:39 MohammadAG51, if its been traced all the way back Jan 18 00:09:56 if someone has source ready and available, cure it, test it, submit it as mr Jan 18 00:09:56 bt only shows 2 lines lcuk Jan 18 00:10:09 no one knows how to cure it :) Jan 18 00:10:29 url to source line problem (gotirious web?) Jan 18 00:10:39 gitorious even Jan 18 00:10:41 MohammadAG51: still so far it is awesome :) feedback is always good, especially if it is positive, if know it ;) Jan 18 00:10:57 not sure of the source line, it's in QApplication though Jan 18 00:11:01 damm I'm hungry :S Jan 18 00:11:13 eat like 12 hours ago :S Jan 18 00:11:15 http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-16323 Jan 18 00:11:39 MohammadAG51, then we shall ask venemo to trace it closer and get actual line refs Jan 18 00:11:57 lcuk, traceback isn't helpful Jan 18 00:11:59 see the bug Jan 18 00:12:09 I'm sick so I don't have much appetite :S Jan 18 00:12:28 MohammadAG51, yes, I see. the debug build is really needed Jan 18 00:12:40 well I'm going trying to get some sleep Jan 18 00:12:40 it is a debug build lcuk Jan 18 00:12:46 Good night Jan 18 00:12:50 5MBs in size Jan 18 00:12:50 which gdb are you using? Jan 18 00:12:55 night ArGGu^^ Jan 18 00:13:04 the gdb we all use :P Jan 18 00:13:13 :) Jan 18 00:13:17 humour me Jan 18 00:13:34 * SpeedEvil hits lcuk with a trout. Jan 18 00:13:40 \o SpeedEvil Jan 18 00:13:45 GNU gdb (GDB) 6.8.50.20090417-debian Jan 18 00:13:55 ok, theres a qt happy 7.0 build around Jan 18 00:14:13 but that is Qt happy :P Jan 18 00:14:15 not sure if thats why you arent getting symbols Jan 18 00:14:20 it works when i f*** up an app :) Jan 18 00:14:41 and trust me, I do that a lot Jan 18 00:15:17 only reason i'd think of is libqt4-core-dbg not installed Jan 18 00:15:23 and that doesn't fit on / Jan 18 00:15:44 which reminds me Jan 18 00:15:53 i could exploit my on-device sdk Jan 18 00:16:42 yay installing Jan 18 00:18:18 how do I do a debug build with make? Jan 18 00:18:24 hello Jan 18 00:18:32 Can I synch maemo to google calendar? Jan 18 00:19:11 MohammadAG51, have started watching that bug, let us know if you get better backtrace Jan 18 00:21:05 lolcat: sometimes Jan 18 00:21:13 How? Jan 18 00:21:32 google is your friend Jan 18 00:21:42 I don't like that evil corporation Jan 18 00:21:56 heh Jan 18 00:22:00 mohammadag: add -g to CFLAGS Jan 18 00:22:07 google is not evil. Jan 18 00:22:09 * SpeedEvil is. Jan 18 00:22:30 MohammadAG51: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/research/m3d.png Jan 18 00:22:37 MohammadAG51: vu meter? :D Jan 18 00:23:44 looks like the old N64 logo :P Jan 18 00:23:49 Cool Jan 18 00:24:00 Heh Jan 18 00:24:22 Yeah, just a simple mesh whilst I nail down shaders and my engine classes Jan 18 00:24:43 night Jan 18 00:24:49 My camera class is almost done which allows moving and panning using touch screen Jan 18 00:25:08 Tomorrow I'm going to implement the terrain loader Jan 18 00:25:42 Might also mess about with a osm or gmaps overlay Jan 18 00:26:53 The cool thing, though not obvious from that screenshot, is the alpha blending and fog effect actually render nicely over Qt widgets, so I should be able to maintain Columbus' swipe static background Jan 18 00:27:35 And have a pretty fade to background image on the terrain/mapping widget for v2 Jan 18 00:28:16 :) Jan 18 00:28:27 lcuk, unable to reproduce under on-device sdk Jan 18 00:28:39 Anyhow, g'night folks Jan 18 00:28:43 * alterego wanders off. Jan 18 00:29:25 Jaffa: ping? Jan 18 00:29:39 Jaffa: do we want to archive 2010? Jan 18 00:29:50 Also: holyshitalmostayearalready?! Jan 18 00:31:23 ah! Jan 18 00:31:31 lolcat: maybe Erminig will work? http://wiki.maemo.org/Sync Jan 18 00:32:11 lcuk, new info Jan 18 00:32:29 segfault only occurs when QGtkStyle sets the theme Jan 18 00:35:23 i'll post about it tomorrow, at least i tracked it down Jan 18 00:35:50 going to sleep, nighto/ Jan 18 00:52:11 ops fmms did me an new internet connection, which doenst work. but i cant delete it anymore, someone knows, where i can do this? Jan 18 00:56:04 fmms creates entries in gconf under /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/ Jan 18 00:57:10 you can get a list of those entries by running: "gconftool-2 -R /system/osso/connectivity/IAP" Jan 18 00:57:54 all wifi connections will be in there too Jan 18 01:08:58 MrBawb: thanks, did it witn fAPN, but, yours should work too ;) thanks Jan 18 01:11:46 oh right, I was thinking fmms was fapn Jan 18 01:22:41 I can't import calendars to google calendars Jan 18 02:09:28 MohammadAG51: you liked to disturb my dreams - so what's on? Jan 18 02:12:35 * GeneralAntilles yawns. Jan 18 02:13:52 * DocScrutinizer also yawns, but probably in a different situation Jan 18 02:15:18 I hate it to get up and find I'm short of milk for the cafe latte Jan 18 02:16:18 time for 12648430 Jan 18 02:16:26 * DocScrutinizer mumbles swearwords Jan 18 02:18:39 hmm, those dudes had lots of fun with h-e-n and my slightly improved booston script Jan 18 02:20:00 bah, still getting nowhere figuring out how to produce csd plugins :( Jan 18 02:20:23 meh, what's wrong with a LED flashing 6Hz red/pink, while watching a movie? If that is inappropriate then you're watching the wrong movies! :-P Jan 18 02:21:02 oh, actually csd. had to lok at the nick to get it Jan 18 02:21:09 look Jan 18 02:23:00 what I wouldn't give for the nokia-closed csd-base-dev and libisi-dev packages right now :P Jan 18 02:24:10 I get the feeling I am going to need to bypass CSD and write a separate daemon for cbsms Jan 18 02:24:40 although I am worried that bypassing the telephony stack wont work Jan 18 02:29:54 jonwil: mabe I know people who can poke the right people. Let's see if we can 'make a deal' with Nokia. Sometimes this works, evidently Jan 18 02:30:28 admittedly it got me nowhere with bme Jan 18 02:31:01 but there are others that were able to do such deals Jan 18 02:31:43 I suspect this is less sensitive given that A.the telephony stack is now open in MeeGo and B.we only need headers and not actual code Jan 18 02:31:52 given the closed nature of cellmo FW the risk for Nokia to disclose a few *.h isn't high Jan 18 02:32:07 yes, exactly Jan 18 02:34:05 there are packages that used to exist called cellmo-icpr82-headers and cellmo-headers, no idea what they contained though Jan 18 02:34:37 or why they were removed Jan 18 02:34:39 stating the fact that you don't want to cheat on, or even kill telepathy might be a sound argument to get lcuk''s attention. And he knows lots of people who can help Jan 18 02:35:19 yeah I don't want to have to write something outside telephony if I dont have to Jan 18 02:35:31 speaking to tekojo might help to get support from Nokia directly Jan 18 02:35:55 putting it into telepathy would be good Jan 18 02:36:01 also stskeeps might be somebody worth talking to Jan 18 02:36:20 SpeedEvil: ack Jan 18 02:37:10 so, while colabora might not be interested in doing this themselves, without order from Nokia, they might feel like helping any volunteer planning to do this Jan 18 02:37:40 so whats the best way to approach these people? email? irc pm? Jan 18 02:37:55 lcuk: : here Jan 18 02:38:06 lcuk: = colabora Jan 18 02:38:16 tekojo = here sometimes Jan 18 02:39:45 so an IRC PM to lcuk then? Jan 18 02:39:47 lcuk might talk to or give you contacts to talk to, inside colabora Jan 18 02:40:07 ping him first, I'd say Jan 18 02:40:11 ok Jan 18 02:40:21 lcuk: ping Jan 18 02:41:17 tekojo (tero kojo iirc) might pop up here in ~5..6h Jan 18 02:41:25 that's his usual time Jan 18 02:41:55 what about stskeeps? Jan 18 02:42:04 or are the other 2 better people to contact? Jan 18 02:42:07 check #meego-arm Jan 18 02:42:59 stskeeps is involved into meego development now, but close to Nokia. He may want to help if he feels it's useful for meego Jan 18 02:43:18 which it probably isnt since meego already has ofono Jan 18 02:43:27 and isnt using the old telephony stack Jan 18 02:43:40 hmm, please elaborate Jan 18 02:44:11 you dont know what ofono is? Jan 18 02:44:13 aah, sorry, I still wait for coffee to kick in. yeah ok Jan 18 02:44:22 my bet is that lcuk or tekojo might help Jan 18 02:45:23 lcuk denied any insight into telepathy some weeks ago, but still might be able to shout across the room to the guy that developed telepathy Jan 18 02:46:04 or introduce you to him/her Jan 18 02:47:32 Robot101 also is colabora iirc Jan 18 02:49:37 I dont know if cbsms is really a fit for telepathy Jan 18 02:49:44 his "rush hours" are now+12h to now+18h it seems Jan 18 02:49:57 is sms? Jan 18 02:50:49 are instant messages? Jan 18 02:51:05 well what I want is to talk to is to someone who can try to get access to dev packages to talk to libisi and the cellmo stuff and dev packages and info for building a csd plugin Jan 18 02:51:08 CBSMS is somewhere in between the two Jan 18 02:51:24 and yes, information for plugging into telephathy and high-level bits Jan 18 02:51:29 if that makes sense to do Jan 18 02:51:51 talk to telepathy guys I guess Jan 18 02:52:36 and to tekojo. Jan 18 02:52:55 so robot101, tekojo and lcuk? Jan 18 02:53:08 I'll do the same when ever I run into one of them. Please keep me CC'd Jan 18 02:53:21 yes Jan 18 02:53:34 ok, I will keep you CC'd Jan 18 02:55:28 doesnt look like any of those 3 are actually around right now Jan 18 02:56:30 lcuk and Robot101 are around but asleep, tekojo will join every 3rd day, ~9..15:00 CET Jan 18 02:57:05 I shall wait to see when they wake up/appear Jan 18 02:57:12 yep Jan 18 02:57:14 Being in Australia isnt going to make this easy :( Jan 18 02:57:32 heh Jan 18 02:57:35 ~ugt Jan 18 02:57:36 rumour has it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Jan 18 02:58:22 IOW - irc has no best time **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jan 18 02:59:57 2011