**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 19 02:59:57 2011 Jan 19 03:51:58 So ... What's new in the dead os space? Jan 19 04:11:12 http://damnyouautocorrect.com/ Jan 19 08:30:35 hey guys ... I want to transcode some of my movies for my n900 and I wanted to know which is the best way to do that under linux Jan 19 08:30:51 mencoder Jan 19 08:30:53 ffmpeg Jan 19 08:31:01 even gstreamer can do it Jan 19 08:31:09 but how do i do it Jan 19 08:31:15 but n900 will probably play your movies without need for transcoding Jan 19 08:31:19 smooph: jfgi Jan 19 08:31:31 http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding Jan 19 08:31:43 SpeedEvil: why'd you done that? Jan 19 08:31:52 huh? Jan 19 08:31:52 if you know avidemux ... it has example configs for the psp is there something like it for the n900 Jan 19 08:31:57 i was about to rant about his inability to google first Jan 19 08:32:08 Meh. Jan 19 08:32:11 smooph: do you know your movie on pc Jan 19 08:32:17 smooph: just copy it to n900 Jan 19 08:32:20 smooph: it will play it Jan 19 08:32:33 Often, yes. Jan 19 08:32:36 jacekowski: no it wont ! Jan 19 08:32:36 Unless it won't. Jan 19 08:32:51 Even if it won't, often mplayer on the device will play it Jan 19 08:33:00 and i can google but nothing usefull so far Jan 19 08:33:00 have you installed additional codec support? Jan 19 08:33:16 yes ... Jan 19 09:13:38 How can I set a daemon running during each boot process automatically ? Jan 19 09:13:46 I do not see rc.local on the target device. Jan 19 09:16:29 Based on the last comment to bug 7019, I doubt any of the telephony code needed for cell broadcast will be made available :( Jan 19 09:16:31 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/7019 Release source code of "getbootstate" Jan 19 09:16:56 Its the usual "not used in MeeGo therefore no-one cares" argument : Jan 19 09:16:58 :( Jan 19 09:19:54 jonwil, hey atleast you got a reply of some sort :) Jan 19 09:20:04 no, not to the CBSMS thing Jan 19 09:20:17 at least I got one to the answer on getbootstate Jan 19 09:20:20 which is good Jan 19 09:20:43 someone yesterday said they would kick the CBSMS thing to the right people I think Jan 19 09:21:18 I am not giving up hope for cbsms since A.We dont want code, only headers (which are presumably easier to open up Jan 19 09:21:34 and B.We have a concrete valid use-case for what we want to do Jan 19 09:21:48 either way, worst that can happen is Nokia says no Jan 19 09:21:50 and we move on Jan 19 09:24:40 if it was possible, I would advocate writing code so that the closed-source lower level telephony stack can be replaced with an open source ofono stack instead. But its not possible AFAIK Jan 19 09:25:00 from the comments it looks like you could cut getbootstate out of the initscripts alltogether anyway Jan 19 09:25:15 I guess so Jan 19 09:25:38 anyhow, it was more a case of "there was talk of opening it up, lets see what the decision was" Jan 19 09:27:45 and in that specific case the decision was "no, the use case for having the code open is gone and its no longer valid for MeeGo so no, lets not open it up" Jan 19 09:28:25 the original usecase seemed a bit weak too :) Jan 19 09:28:31 yeah Jan 19 09:31:10 The use case for cbsms is fairly big, for one thing I dont want to miss emergency messages because my phone can't receive them. Jan 19 09:31:45 I bet people will complain about the closed source calendars and contacts in Nokia MeeGo too, but do nothing to improve MeeGo's own calendar and contacts apps :) Jan 19 09:34:04 IMO I doubt if MeeGo will ever be a 100% suitable replacement for Maemo on the N900 Jan 19 09:34:18 certainly wont ever come near to feature parity Jan 19 09:35:46 ShadowJK: one thing which really piss me off (on fremantle) is that there's only one sync'able calendar :/ Jan 19 09:36:14 afaiui on meego there's no local calendar Jan 19 09:36:24 only google cloud calendar :) Jan 19 09:36:34 super... Jan 19 09:37:43 That'd be a great place to hack on, add localdb support Jan 19 09:49:59 jacekowski: ping Jan 19 09:50:53 pong Jan 19 09:50:57 jonwil: Jan 19 09:53:02 damn, charging hostmode failure ater ~70h Jan 19 09:53:08 after* Jan 19 10:21:48 hmm, who would've thought on ZyXEL P660 you need to assign fixed MAC->IP assignments that are from _within_ the DHCP IP range Jan 19 10:23:07 I 'fixed' this 'flaw' in LAN config, and consequently t900 ssh running the charge script had to come to an end eventually Jan 19 10:23:26 nothing wrong with charging hostmode Jan 19 10:25:33 s/need to assign/need to pick/ Jan 19 10:27:17 * SpeedEvil should learn to use DHCP. Jan 19 10:27:33 My IP addresses are assigned with RPIN Jan 19 10:27:39 Red Post-It Note. Jan 19 10:27:50 I only have ~8 though Jan 19 10:34:51 well, I changed from plain DHCP to fixed IPs assigned to MAC recently. All routers should have such a function Jan 19 10:36:58 then yesterday I checked that router's DHCP table and thought "duh, start of dhcp range:30, length 32, MAC foo:b:ar -> ...41 - Nah that's odd" and changed the range from 32 to 10 Jan 19 10:37:02 :-P Jan 19 10:38:33 so this morning t900 had 192.168.1.34 instead of ...41 XD Jan 19 10:39:36 obviously teh ssh session running the charge script didn't like that :-D Jan 19 10:46:29 SpeedEvil: previously my IP addresses were assigned by mere random, and local DNS worked like "http://192.168.1.1; click on 'DHCP table', look up " Jan 19 10:47:15 SpeedEvil: so don't think DHCP is that great, without additional tweaks Jan 19 10:48:50 t900, IroN900 and N810 happily swapped thir IPs every now and then Jan 19 10:53:36 it just gives me headache how t900, on charge script getting killed, managed to boot into backup menu, while bq24150 still kept that funny state of bright steady amber LED Jan 19 10:56:11 I can see how it managed to shut down on bat very low, I also understand it immediately rebooted as there's been external vbus, but HOW TF bq24150 managed to keep that weird state during NOLO booting? Jan 19 10:56:40 even during Linux kernel booting into backup menu Jan 19 10:57:10 you'd think at some point during the process bq24150 gets initialized Jan 19 11:07:03 DocScrutinizer: All I can think of is that it doesn't get initialized by the point BackupMenu rests control from the init process Jan 19 11:07:31 I know people have complained that it doesn't charge when running BackupMenu... Jan 19 11:07:38 DocScrutinizer: host mode works like a charm Jan 19 11:07:44 DocScrutinizer: thank you for it Jan 19 11:07:50 O_o Jan 19 11:10:54 Venemo_N900, heya Jan 19 11:11:14 RobbieThe1st: all my prev experience seems to suggest NOLO resets bq24150 charger chip and - on certain conditions - even might start charging, though I could be mistaken with the 2nd part Jan 19 11:11:25 Hm.. Jan 19 11:12:04 well, hory for new facts to feed my hungry brain :-D Jan 19 11:12:09 hooray even Jan 19 11:13:33 hi lcuk :) Jan 19 11:13:46 DocScrutinizer: By the way, that reminds me - BackupMenu -doesn't- charge when it's running, and that's a feature a lot of people want. What would be a good way to implement that? Include and run JRBME? Jan 19 11:13:46 probably the "NOKIA" screen fooled me into thinking NOLO das precharge on very low battery while actually it's probably bme_RX-51 -b that gets invoked somewhere in start bme event script Jan 19 11:13:49 lcuk: how're you? Jan 19 11:14:16 Or... I suppose I could just use bme_RX-51 -b... Jan 19 11:16:37 DocScrutinizer: although I changed the led pattern to a steady violet. the blinking one from your mce.ini was very irritating while watching a movie Jan 19 11:16:42 RobbieThe1st: for now you should rather content with ShadowJK's chargescript - jrbme's Lore Jan 19 11:17:39 So including and running "bme_RX-51 -b" wouldn't work as expected? Jan 19 11:17:47 RobbieThe1st: I'm not quite sure bme will work in that stage, esp given the fact it's talking to a lot of other system components Jan 19 11:17:52 Ah Jan 19 11:17:56 just try Jan 19 11:18:23 but bme -b is for "checking battery and precharging" only Jan 19 11:18:34 won't give you decent charging Jan 19 11:18:46 Darn. Jan 19 11:20:21 ShadowJK's charge script OTOH (and later on jrbme which includes this script as a part of its functionality) should do a sufficiently convenient job on charging battery during backup menu Jan 19 11:20:54 I'll look into it Jan 19 11:21:51 (which includes) ...minus some clumsy bits, plus augments for better cli syntax and return codes/reporting Jan 19 11:23:14 Got a link or package name? Jan 19 11:23:33 RobbieThe1st: you don't need to look into it. Simply start it (in a subshell) :-D Jan 19 11:23:53 Venemo_N900, I am ok, just fighting different MMC cards Jan 19 11:23:54 Well, I need to -find- it first... Jan 19 11:24:22 RobbieThe1st: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 has all you need Jan 19 11:24:26 lcuk: were you able to contact the butterfly guy? Jan 19 11:24:32 thanks Jan 19 11:26:32 Venemo_N900, I sent a mail to jonny and did not get bounce back and the addr you specified is correct and valid Jan 19 11:26:53 lcuk: interesting. Jan 19 11:27:04 RobbieThe1st: nota bene this script is discouraged use, will get replaced by jrbme script soon, that's coming with h-e-n Jan 19 11:27:13 lcuk: then why did it bounced back for me? Jan 19 11:27:14 Venemo_N900, ie resend and try Jan 19 11:27:21 ok lcuk Jan 19 11:27:40 then if it fails, fwd me the bounce report and I will look into it Jan 19 11:28:07 RobbieThe1st: though it works great on a technical side, it has quite some usability issues that need to get ironed out Jan 19 11:28:43 work great means it's been in use by ShadowJK to exclusively charge his battery this way, since 6 months now Jan 19 11:31:37 ShadowJK: main downside: it's a oneshot script. Eventually it quits when battery got 100% Jan 19 11:31:44 doesn't ShadowJK have a mugen? Jan 19 11:31:50 Or is he not using that anymore. Jan 19 11:31:51 yes Jan 19 11:31:57 dunno Jan 19 11:32:18 the script doesn't care :-) Jan 19 11:32:46 oops Jan 19 11:32:58 RobbieThe1st: that's meant for you ^^^ Jan 19 11:33:08 Yea, I saw. Jan 19 11:33:59 I'll probably just see about setting up a watcher loop and restart it 5 minutes after it stops Jan 19 11:34:17 nah, don't do that Jan 19 11:35:16 Why not? The feature I've been asked for mainly revolves around people leaving it on overnight, and with no real mechanism to turn off the screen(etc) during/after its done... Jan 19 11:35:45 1) I haven't even checked the latest version, might have a fix for that. 2) charging won't stop as long as screen keeps on BL 3) that's not exactly what cell manufs recomment (though bme is doing exactly that) Jan 19 11:36:23 Hm. Looks like my problem's solved anyway - that script in the post you linked seems to have an infinite loop. Jan 19 11:36:39 ok, so 1) hits Jan 19 11:37:03 And this makes things a lot easier. Jan 19 11:39:18 I suggested this to meego guys but they are real yellow-belly. I also planned to get same thing into uBoot, which would make a mad lot of sense Jan 19 11:40:00 alas N900 uBoot is so terribly crippled... :-/ Jan 19 11:40:29 uBoot has all it needs to deal with wd, but N900 flavour doesn't exploit it Jan 19 11:41:14 I'm just hoping it gets the needed improvements so it can replace multiboot... Jan 19 11:41:27 err, it can Jan 19 11:41:50 it's fsckng nitdroid who need to fix their boot scheme to comply with uboot Jan 19 11:42:23 They need some yelling at, I'd imagine.. Jan 19 11:42:44 alas it seems they're not interested in any form of coexistence, as usual Jan 19 11:43:04 ... Why? Jan 19 11:43:19 android general mindset Jan 19 11:43:31 probably a windows heritage Jan 19 11:43:40 Isn't this supposed to be a -linux- device? Linux users -always- have lots of stuff coexisting Jan 19 11:44:13 But yea... Frigging people.. Jan 19 11:44:19 if you're running adridiot, it actually stops being a linux device :-P Jan 19 11:45:03 android is NOT linux Jan 19 11:45:13 Yea, true Jan 19 11:45:31 There's a good reason I haven't bothered with Nitdroid myself.. Jan 19 11:45:48 * DocScrutinizer waiting for luke-jr rant "not evenmaemo is linux" Jan 19 11:46:15 Heh - that's one that's definitive - It uses the Linux kernel. Jan 19 11:46:25 yep Jan 19 11:46:25 And X Jan 19 11:46:31 yep Jan 19 11:47:08 luke-jr sometimes loves to troll a bit with extreme points of view Jan 19 11:47:32 like claiming Qt is a language of it's own Jan 19 11:47:38 I might add that there's a good reason that I'm not associated with the "backupmenu with Multiboot" topic. And the who-knows-how many pages of problems it's accumulated. Jan 19 11:47:40 nrelated to C++ Jan 19 11:48:01 Nah, I'd say it's a library. It compiles via GCC, doesn't it? Jan 19 11:48:06 Morning Jan 19 11:48:25 RobbieThe1st: if you're lucky Jan 19 11:48:30 yes, but that's luke-jr - nevermind Jan 19 11:48:44 That's really the difference between a language and a library, isn't it - If it's a library, it uses a different compiler. If it's a language, it's got it's own compiler system Jan 19 11:48:53 Yea, I understand what you meant, Doc. Jan 19 11:49:09 RobbieThe1st: C++ use to be compiled with C compilers. Jan 19 11:49:12 *used Jan 19 11:49:59 And at that time, it would have been an extension/library to C, wouldn't it? Jan 19 11:50:15 No, I would still have called it a separate language. Jan 19 11:50:23 OMG what have I done :-o Perpetuated luke-jr's trolling Jan 19 11:50:33 It was diferent in the details from the C++ of today, but not in the broad strokes. Jan 19 11:50:40 XD Trolling(or discussing trolling) is fun Jan 19 11:50:51 I'm not by any means saying luke-jr's argument is right. Jan 19 11:51:05 I'm just saying RobbieThe1st's definition of a language is wrong. Jan 19 11:51:26 Well, I'm just saying that if it'll compile with a C compiler, it's essentially C. Jan 19 11:51:50 I suppose it's like saying that AJAX and Javascript are different. Jan 19 11:51:55 (at that time) Jan 19 11:51:57 which sounds reasonably close to a proper definition for me Jan 19 11:52:07 As one of my professors in grad school once explained to me, "The difference between a language and a dialect is that a language has its own army behind it." Jan 19 11:52:30 He was talking about natural languages, but I think the reasoning still applies. Jan 19 11:52:54 yep Jan 19 11:52:58 So, what, Texan-english is it's own language? They've got the Texas National Guard, don't they? Jan 19 11:53:25 * DocScrutinizer sighs and heads out for another coffee Jan 19 11:53:44 XD Jan 19 11:54:01 Sorry, I like arguing Jan 19 11:54:50 The example at the time was the south-east Dutch, who are more easily understood by their German neigbors across the border than by their fellow Dutchmen... but it's still all called Dutch. Jan 19 11:56:28 So, Texas-english will become its own language if they ever manage to secede. Jan 19 11:57:30 Fair enough. Jan 19 11:57:32 But until then the damn Federalists still have jurisdiction. Jan 19 11:57:32 they'll be speaking mexican first :P Jan 19 11:57:53 RobbieThe1st: could you briefly reassure me which tools/steps backup menu V2 is using to restore images now? Jan 19 11:58:25 Derf: Then, I'd argue that having a compiler of it's own is essentially it's own flag or army. Otherwise, it falls under the "banner" of the parent compiler Jan 19 11:59:04 I'd argue that a compiler is more analagous to your own currency, and then point at Europe. Jan 19 11:59:19 DocScrutinizer: tar, pure and simple. Running from a ramdisk root, it uses gnu-tar to make an image. Restoring it it uses rm to remove files, then tar to restore Jan 19 12:00:04 :nod: thanks Jan 19 12:00:19 mhm Jan 19 12:01:45 I can't think of a proper argument... and I'm playing TF2 now.. Jan 19 12:01:58 so it's leaving bad block management to ubifs/whatever-the-means of underlaying driver Jan 19 12:02:32 that's good enough for me, to finally trust it Jan 19 12:03:03 after careful evaluation :-D Jan 19 12:05:00 RobbieThe1st: is there finally support to create a FIASCO from a backup-menu tar? Jan 19 12:05:51 Not internally, no. Jan 19 12:05:55 I mean, you might want to restore rootfs via flasher Jan 19 12:06:06 Several people have done it, but I didn't get it quite done. Jan 19 12:06:12 not internally, just some script for desktop linux Jan 19 12:06:47 It's been done on the n900 in regular-boot mode, from an xterm.. Jan 19 12:07:48 aah,of course. You can flash a clean virgin system and use that for restoring your 'image' Jan 19 12:08:36 modulo kernel(+uBoot) Jan 19 12:09:00 Sorry Jan 19 12:09:07 I lost a month due to screen issues Jan 19 12:12:30 ah, I guess it's just good enough. There's nothing wrong with installing a virgin system, then restore the fs-tree of your backup to that. Only takes one step more and a few minutes, conpared to direct restore of a physical image to a partition Jan 19 12:13:09 the result should be the same - even better, considering we got NAND here with all that annoying nasty bad block problems Jan 19 12:14:30 programs relying on inode numbers, like e.g lilo, wouldn't work that way, but that'S deprecated anyway and I don't think we got any such program on maemo Jan 19 12:17:17 back in the days where bad block management of MFM HDD was a duty of linux kernel drivers, the situation had been quite similar. We all just got lazy with these nice new hw that hides all this gory details from even the hw interface Jan 19 12:18:42 umm Jan 19 12:18:56 I don't remember the kernel ever handling it Jan 19 12:19:30 Doesn't mean it never happened :P Jan 19 12:19:35 you ran e2fsck with the switch that told it to invoke badblocks to scan the disk, and it added the blocks to the bad blocks list Jan 19 12:20:03 Unless it was in an important area, or the first bit of the disk, and you were screwed. Jan 19 12:20:13 man mkfs: Jan 19 12:20:15 -l filename Jan 19 12:20:16 Read the bad blocks list from filename Jan 19 12:20:30 yes - that's not kernel related, that's userspace Jan 19 12:20:35 the kernel never held a list Jan 19 12:21:00 umm Jan 19 12:21:36 the driver on read needs to know a CHS addr is actually bad and needs redirection to a spare block Jan 19 12:21:59 No it doesn't Jan 19 12:22:12 The filesystem doesn't allocate those blocks. Jan 19 12:22:26 yeah it reads a crippled bad blocj mark inside the bad block iirc Jan 19 12:22:26 Or rather - they are allocated to a bad-blocks 'file' Jan 19 12:22:55 The MFM hardware would just return 'CRC error' Jan 19 12:23:13 not even that Jan 19 12:23:24 yeah - possibly not - memory is a bit fuzzy Jan 19 12:23:36 a bad block might hold perfectly valid data that just can't get rewritten Jan 19 12:24:03 hw can't detect that on read Jan 19 12:24:22 Data could 'always' be rewritten on MFM Jan 19 12:24:30 Or you'd get a sector not found error Jan 19 12:24:32 meh, funny topic but RL shouting at me Jan 19 12:24:56 Totally, utterly useless knowledge now. Jan 19 12:25:15 where should i put my app's config file? is there a common place? Jan 19 12:25:17 * SpeedEvil wonders if the MFM drive he has still works. Jan 19 12:25:41 how do i get into insert mode in vim on maemo? Jan 19 12:25:43 trx: ~/.appname/config has been used in the past Jan 19 12:26:17 SpeedEvil ok, ty Jan 19 12:26:19 trx, which lang? Jan 19 12:26:29 config file lang? Jan 19 12:26:33 i was thinking .ini Jan 19 12:26:38 no, programming lang :P Jan 19 12:26:44 trx: most apps use ~/.config/appname/ Jan 19 12:26:51 Qt does it nicely Jan 19 12:26:54 or what is the acceptable good editor on n900? Jan 19 12:26:57 MohammadAG object pascal Jan 19 12:27:11 ~/.config/Organization/Appname Jan 19 12:27:15 that's how Qt does it Jan 19 12:27:23 Nokia-N900:/home/user# find . -name ".*" -type d -maxdepth 1|wc Jan 19 12:27:23 115 115 1475 Jan 19 12:27:50 and I like tit tbh, makes multiple apps by the same author easy to find Jan 19 12:27:59 it* .... Jan 19 12:28:09 Yeah, it's quite cool. Jan 19 12:28:10 reeniginEesreveR http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68582 <- :) Jan 19 12:28:50 MohammadAG i use gtk for now, but my ide allows me to switch to qt with a simple button click Jan 19 12:29:04 hmm o_O Jan 19 12:29:09 there are qt functions for storing settings? Jan 19 12:29:14 yes Jan 19 12:29:19 QSettings Jan 19 12:29:24 didnt knew that Jan 19 12:29:27 Which is also nice. Jan 19 12:29:37 indeed Jan 19 12:29:50 * alterego likes QSettings(), it works good if you set your QApplication orgname and appname etc. Jan 19 12:30:14 I use that too :P Jan 19 12:30:38 though i recall someone/where it says you should use an instance of it Jan 19 12:30:42 oh well Jan 19 12:31:28 Hey guys is there a step by step instruction set to transcode a moviefile with avidemux to have it play in the standard mediaplayer on the n900 Jan 19 12:31:36 You do use an instance of it .. Jan 19 12:31:42 Nothing so far worked for me Jan 19 12:31:43 QSettings().value("blah) ... Jan 19 12:32:10 You shouldn't use it in shared libraries unless you know what you're doing though .. Jan 19 12:35:34 what kind of moviefile is that, my n900 is happy to play what i throw on it usually Jan 19 12:36:19 MohammadAG: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/Screenshot-20110119-122901.png Jan 19 12:36:39 frals: even HQ? Jan 19 12:36:59 aka HD I guess Jan 19 12:37:32 doesn't work for me Jan 19 12:37:34 never tried 720p or something like that tbh -- it seems a bit silly on a tiny screen like the n900 :) Jan 19 12:38:40 heh Jan 19 12:38:47 * alterego tests to see if QDesktopServices can start modest with mailto: urls. Jan 19 12:38:52 personal dataplan monitor is buggy Jan 19 12:39:13 Holy cow it worked :) Jan 19 12:39:18 it probably contains an integer overflow Jan 19 12:39:23 * alterego deletes all his maemo specific dbus stuff :D Jan 19 12:41:21 Hopefully that'll make things a bit more portablt. Jan 19 12:41:25 ~portable .. Jan 19 12:41:29 frals: that's why OP asked how to transcode Jan 19 12:41:59 MohammadAG: good news: I received an email saying that my laptop is repaired Jan 19 12:42:44 alterego: don't call infobot names Jan 19 12:42:52 Heh Jan 19 12:43:00 ~botsnack Jan 19 12:43:01 DocScrutinizer51: :) Jan 19 12:43:10 Venemo_N900: \o/ :D Jan 19 12:43:30 Does this mean you can start hacking again? :P Jan 19 12:43:33 Venemo_N900: how long did it take and what was broken? :) Jan 19 12:43:34 alterego: I'll get it tomorrow after my last exam Jan 19 12:43:41 alterego: yes! Jan 19 12:43:42 You don't seem to have been doing much recently. Jan 19 12:44:20 alterego: that's because my only computing device was an N900 for about 2 weeks, and I had exams? Jan 19 12:44:33 Oh, :) understandable then Jan 19 12:44:45 mikki-kun: the machine randomly froze 1-2 times per day Jan 19 12:44:57 you were running windows on it? Jan 19 12:45:24 mikki-kun: the issue appeared on windows and linux too, so not sw related Jan 19 12:45:36 frals: thats the point i need to shrink the file to let it play on the n900 but the mediaplayer only says codec not supported Jan 19 12:45:42 i'm amused by the N900's battery life without IM Jan 19 12:45:45 with linux you might have been able to scavange the logs :) Jan 19 12:45:50 MohammadAG :) Jan 19 12:46:10 mikki-kun: no logs, nothing in dmesg, nothing relevant at all Jan 19 12:46:27 so did they tell you what was broken? Jan 19 12:46:54 mikki-kun: not yet, but they probably will if I go and get it Jan 19 12:47:09 then go and get it :P Jan 19 12:47:10 smooph: there are also additional codecs for the media player that play some more stuff Jan 19 12:47:11 can somebody help me with my transcoding problem I already tried it like in the wiki Jan 19 12:47:25 smooph: have you checked to see if mediaplayer is saying that for everything? Jan 19 12:47:25 SpeedEvil: i have extra codecs installed Jan 19 12:47:35 smooph: sorry - never actually transcoded Jan 19 12:47:39 Venemo_N900, did you see the Qt bug report Jan 19 12:47:42 MohammadAG: that would probably ruin my exam tomorrow. so I'll wait until I'm done Jan 19 12:47:45 (well - that's a lie - but I used mpeg1) Jan 19 12:47:54 MohammadAG: your comment about changing the style? Jan 19 12:48:02 smooph: sometimes the DSP gets in a funny state after trying to play some files, and you basically need to reboot - test it by playing a video you know works Jan 19 12:48:05 BCMM: please elaborate what you mean Jan 19 12:48:15 Venemo_N900, yes, setting style manually fixes the bug Jan 19 12:48:23 ohh the others work Jan 19 12:48:28 MohammadAG: even qmaemo5style. Jan 19 12:48:31 MohammadAG: ?? Jan 19 12:48:39 didn't know that existed Jan 19 12:48:40 sec Jan 19 12:48:58 MohammadAG: that's the default maemo 5 style Jan 19 12:49:21 mikki-kun: the machine just became nonresponsive, and the sound card continuously played the last 1 sec of sound. Jan 19 12:49:23 I am trieing to transcode a 720p to play on my n900 and i would like to use avidemux but if somebody has anything else that works i am happy too Jan 19 12:49:58 smooph: there is some encoder included with mplayer, but I've never tried it, sorry Jan 19 12:50:39 Venemo_N900, sure it's called qmaemo5style? Jan 19 12:51:05 MohammadAG: QMaemo5Style Jan 19 12:52:24 Venemo_N900: that doesn't really help because I don't understand all the differences between the codecs ... avidemux has pre configured settings for playstation portable and it would be perfect to have them for the n900 as well Jan 19 12:52:40 smooph: mhm Jan 19 12:52:55 -style QMaemo5Style brings up the default style Jan 19 12:53:33 MohammadAG: because that is the default maemo 5 style Jan 19 12:53:54 by default i meant the gtk style Jan 19 12:54:12 yes there is some stuff written on http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding#Avidemux but its not detailed enough for me ... at least it doesn't work Jan 19 12:55:19 smooph, what about http://maemo.org/downloads/product/PC/tablet-encode/ Jan 19 12:55:36 MohammadAG: hm? Jan 19 12:55:39 Venemo_N900, that's not the style name Jan 19 12:56:01 MohammadAG: maybe I mistyped, moment Jan 19 12:59:57 MohammadAG: did you like my new About dialog? :D Jan 19 13:00:05 Got a working donate and "Help" button now Jan 19 13:00:17 help loads up the documentation which I've not wrote yet. Jan 19 13:00:27 And donate takes you to a paypal donation page. Jan 19 13:01:40 MohammadAG: http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/x11-maemo/blobs/4.7-fremantle/src/gui/styles/qmaemo5style.h Jan 19 13:01:54 MohammadAG: Click on the email, it loads modest and auto fills to and subject Jan 19 13:02:03 And click on the website label and it loads up the website. Jan 19 13:02:11 alterego, set it to my paypal for testing purposes Jan 19 13:02:24 And the code should be almost identical on MeeGo & Desktop Jan 19 13:02:32 MohammadAG: btw, why is it that h-e-n only mounts one partition? Jan 19 13:02:37 And hopefully Symbian, but who knows .. Jan 19 13:02:48 mount button is retarded :P Jan 19 13:02:59 Sicelo: that looks very promesing thanks a lot Jan 19 13:03:04 known bug Jan 19 13:03:20 mount shall be handled by either hal or a udev rule Jan 19 13:03:21 alterego, screenshot :p Jan 19 13:03:28 MohammadAG: it mounted my ntfs partition but not the lvm Jan 19 13:03:38 a mount button is so... yuck Jan 19 13:03:41 lvm? Jan 19 13:03:43 MohammadAG: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/Screenshot-20110119-122901.png Jan 19 13:04:11 wtf lvm? Jan 19 13:04:30 how could you mount logical volume manager Jan 19 13:05:08 btw lvm is for sissies :-D Jan 19 13:05:52 (or raids and gorgeous partitions spreading several physical drives) Jan 19 13:06:00 Venemo_N900, -style qmaemo5style doesn't work Jan 19 13:06:07 brings up the non themed style Jan 19 13:06:17 smooph, thank the community, and Jaffa :) Jan 19 13:06:18 MohammadAG: -style maemo5 ? Jan 19 13:07:14 segfault Jan 19 13:08:48 alterego, neat Jan 19 13:09:12 alterego, link Tom Swindell to facebook Jan 19 13:09:14 muhahahaha Jan 19 13:09:25 Pfft, neah. Jan 19 13:12:49 Sicelo: What've I done now? :-) Jan 19 13:14:40 my bad... i was just referring to the fact that smooph has to be grateful to you for Tablet Encode on maemo.org Jan 19 13:15:09 alterego, Jan 19 13:15:14 Yes? Jan 19 13:15:24 I'm assuming when you rotate the buttons are on top of each other? Jan 19 13:15:34 In my about dialog? Jan 19 13:15:40 Now, they fit fine side-by-side Jan 19 13:15:44 s/Now/No/ Jan 19 13:15:44 alterego meant: No, they fit fine side-by-side Jan 19 13:30:32 Sicelo: Oh, cool :-) Praise. I like that :-) Jan 19 13:47:17 Jaffa, :P Jan 19 13:58:31 * alterego is churning through these feature enhancements .. Jan 19 13:58:49 Think I'll aim for a 0.9.3 release this weekend, or maybe tomorrow. Jan 19 13:59:58 release of what? Jan 19 14:00:04 Mine app Jan 19 14:00:14 ok Jan 19 14:00:15 http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/index.html Jan 19 14:00:29 I should alias that to an irssi command or something ^.^ Jan 19 14:01:01 alterego: if you feel you dont have enough to do feel free to go through fmms bugs on bugs.maemo.org and close all invalid ones for me ;-) Jan 19 14:01:11 Hah Jan 19 14:01:19 I've got plenty to do tbh Jan 19 14:01:39 I on the other hand have nothing to do, mostly because all my ideas seem to be going nowhere for the moment. Jan 19 14:01:42 Too much, I'm spending time on Columbus at the moment because I've penned it into my schedule, but other than that I have MeeGo work and other stuff that I need to do :P Jan 19 14:01:53 Got quite a full life at the moment, shame nothing paid :D Jan 19 14:02:30 my last paid gig wound up last week, now I need to find something new. Jan 19 14:02:58 jonwil: exactly, I'm waiting for a contract to start, my handler is on Holiday for another week. Jan 19 14:03:02 (13:21:35) reeniginEesreveR: or what is the acceptable good editor on n900? <<< KhtEditor : http://khertan.net/KhtEditor Jan 19 14:03:03 So I'm kind of twidling my fingers. Jan 19 14:03:15 Unfortunatly no-one around here is looking for Maemo developers : Jan 19 14:03:16 :P Jan 19 14:03:22 jonwil: where are you?# Jan 19 14:03:27 Australia Jan 19 14:03:34 alterego: Colombus ? what is it ? Jan 19 14:03:57 Khertan1: it's a GPS app which tries to be like a handheld GPS receiver. Jan 19 14:04:02 A pretty Garmin like thing. Jan 19 14:04:07 Most of the work going around here is database-driven apps in .NET or J2EE Jan 19 14:04:23 jonwil: here it s worse ... Jan 19 14:04:36 jonwil: i'm looking for a new job :) Jan 19 14:04:42 Khertan1: has also some good streaming and logging capabilities, so you can use it to turn your N900 into a bluetooth GPS mouse, or USB GPS mouse, or even stream the NMEA data over a TCP/IP network. Jan 19 14:05:11 alterego: hum ... interesting ... Jan 19 14:05:44 alterego: remember me, what is the precision of the gps ? Jan 19 14:05:57 Khertan1: varies on signal, can be a couple of meteres. Jan 19 14:06:11 * Khertan1 still dream on how to do a n900 irl light saber with colision detection :) Jan 19 14:06:19 Heh Jan 19 14:06:45 You could do that with the accel :P Jan 19 14:07:23 yeah but how to calc the position of the two n900 to determine if one virtual saber touch the other ? Jan 19 14:07:32 All of my n900 ideas seem to be going nowhere and I cant think of anything else worth writing for the thing that hasn't already been done :P Jan 19 14:07:37 using only accellerometers will be difficult Jan 19 14:07:52 Hrm, ask lcuk about inverse AR :D Jan 19 14:07:59 Or just normal AR Jan 19 14:08:23 jonwil: write a Conboy in Qt for me :) Jan 19 14:08:30 Khertan1, hes right in a way - holding up 2 n900s screen to screen can detect themselves Jan 19 14:08:35 * lcuk was gonna write a high5 app Jan 19 14:09:11 w00t, my v1.0 roadmap todo list is now viewable without scrolling :) Jan 19 14:09:19 Might need to add some more things to do :D Jan 19 14:09:35 todo: add scrolling Jan 19 14:09:53 Heh Jan 19 14:10:09 can't see the rest until that first item is done ;) Jan 19 14:10:16 I mean it's shrunk enough to be completely displayable in conboy fullscreen :D Jan 19 14:10:35 Conboy is awesome. Jan 19 14:10:35 i keep folding up todos Jan 19 14:10:54 I should really look in to integrating it with tomboy on my desktop Jan 19 14:10:57 lcuk: A todo list with a fractal dimension? Jan 19 14:10:58 improved liqbase app startup time to be quicker than the button fadeout on meego Jan 19 14:11:10 lcuk: nice :) Jan 19 14:11:13 SpeedEvil, yes Jan 19 14:11:32 my efforts to reverse engineer the n900 telephony stack have also failed Jan 19 14:11:56 alterego, only because it was a bug where it opened/delay 500ms/closed/opened again ;) Jan 19 14:11:57 jonwil: I have an idea, but not a free time. Dice roller, but one where you would shake the n900 to roll the dice ;-P Jan 19 14:12:45 lcuk: now you just need to get it to open before the button is pressed :P Jan 19 14:13:02 aww yea Jan 19 14:13:04 ... in 3D, with collision detection, of course :) Jan 19 14:13:13 http://blog.rburchell.com/2011/01/qt-users-of-qmake-rejoice.html Jan 19 14:14:18 (15:05:15) alterego: Conboy is awesome. <<< but lack undo feature Jan 19 14:14:44 alterego, meh Jan 19 14:14:53 (15:05:35) alterego: I should really look in to integrating it with tomboy on my desktop <<< if you use tomboy on a desktop pc ... you can use the ubuntu one sync server :) Jan 19 14:15:09 edheldil, the n810 version of liqbase had a lovely colliding sketch gallery Jan 19 14:15:11 X-Fade, ping Jan 19 14:15:19 it would auto size and let you bounce around ideas simply :) Jan 19 14:15:59 X-Fade, we/I 're/'m having issues with repository.maemo.org, mind popping into the ssu chan? Jan 19 14:16:02 Khertan1: does conboy use ubuntu one? Jan 19 14:16:31 alterego and if by desktop you mean hildon home desktop : http://khertan.net/articles/maemo/conboy_note_to_text Jan 19 14:16:35 Khertan1: What I'd also like is the ability to select certain pages as being "public" and have it upload the content to a webpage or something. Jan 19 14:16:40 (15:10:43) alterego: Khertan1: does conboy use ubuntu one? <<< it can Jan 19 14:17:05 (15:11:15) alterego: Khertan1: What I'd also like is the ability to select certain pages as being "public" and have it upload the content to a webpage or something. <<< i use also a python script to update thing to dokuwiki :) Jan 19 14:17:09 I like your drop reflection effect :) What did you use imagemagick? Jan 19 14:17:21 Awesome. Jan 19 14:17:24 alterego the reflection is done by your browser Jan 19 14:17:35 Oh realy, wow. Jan 19 14:17:44 What's the compatibility like? Jan 19 14:17:51 http://khertan.net/dokureflection Jan 19 14:18:27 That's really cool stuff. Jan 19 14:20:06 original code is available here http://cow.neondragon.net/stuff/reflection/ Jan 19 14:20:40 It works in all the major browsers - Internet Explorer 5.5+, Mozilla Firefox 1.5+, Safari, Google Chrome and Opera 9+. On older browsers, it'll degrade and your visitors won't notice a thing. Best of all, it's under 5KB. Jan 19 14:20:56 Yeah, that's really good. Jan 19 14:21:58 alterego: as you maybe have notice it, my web site is a dokuwiki :) Jan 19 14:22:21 Yeah Jan 19 14:23:50 http://khertan.net/khweeteur/bugs <<< ouch there is many new thing reported by the automatic bug report Jan 19 14:24:35 You have a bug reporting facility in your app? Jan 19 14:24:47 That's neat, I was thinking of doing something similar in Columbus today. Jan 19 14:24:54 yep just need to click :) Jan 19 14:25:00 Not sure how I can debug segfaults remotely though ;) Jan 19 14:25:13 yeah ... it s more difficult with compiled language Jan 19 14:25:14 :) Jan 19 14:25:14 Presumably a crash reporting dialog thing? Jan 19 14:25:41 alterego: as it s coded in python i already catch the exeption at high level Jan 19 14:26:12 (on error resume next) Jan 19 14:26:15 Yeah, Jan 19 14:26:16 write them in a file, show a dialog which present the information and ask if you want to report it Jan 19 14:27:39 and the report is sent via http Jan 19 14:27:55 there is a risk to be spammed ... but hum ... i didn't care :) Jan 19 14:28:05 i just delete them in case :) Jan 19 14:28:12 and for the moment didn't got any Jan 19 14:28:37 and as it s my own bug tracker ... i know where to write things :) Jan 19 14:28:51 http://khertan.net/dokumicrobugtracker Jan 19 14:28:52 :) Jan 19 14:29:08 lcuk: this is the most bad things to do Jan 19 14:29:52 lcuk: this is like closing eye when you see the wall near instead of turning Jan 19 14:29:52 :) Jan 19 14:30:50 ~ping Jan 19 14:30:50 ~pong Jan 19 14:31:21 Khertan1, i know this, you know this. did not stop it from being a comomn design pattern though! Jan 19 14:32:32 lcuk: indeed :) this is like singleton which is just a fancy global :) Jan 19 14:33:18 but in some case a necessary bad thing Jan 19 14:33:22 http://khertan.net/articles/gobject_idle_add_singleton <- :) Jan 19 14:33:30 * MohammadAG sighs at Qt bug Jan 19 14:33:40 Qt bug ? there isn't :) Jan 19 14:34:25 I forgot I had the phone app open, and spent 15 mins debugging Jan 19 14:34:31 http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-16323 Jan 19 14:35:08 it's a bug in QMaemo5Style Jan 19 14:35:27 MohammadAG: i like this one : http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-15140 Jan 19 14:35:28 :) Jan 19 14:36:22 Cool, another enhancement done. (Remember zoom and position from last run) Jan 19 14:37:13 this smell copy paste and forgot to modify one thing after :) Jan 19 14:37:28 Khertan1, at least you found the reason for your bug Jan 19 14:37:53 somehow, I feel I have to force rotation with a script then run any Qt app Jan 19 14:37:56 MohammadAG: indeed but it doesn't give motivation to report things : still Resolution:Unresolved Jan 19 14:37:57 and this won't be fixed Jan 19 14:38:09 Khertan1, mine says more info needed Jan 19 14:38:22 what s your problem ? Jan 19 14:38:30 there is the bug report Jan 19 14:38:30 it applies to your app :) Jan 19 14:38:31 lol Jan 19 14:38:34 will read it :) Jan 19 14:38:40 to my app ? Jan 19 14:38:40 sleep 5; kthweeteur Jan 19 14:38:53 in 5 seconds, start a portrait app, e.g phone Jan 19 14:38:56 rotate Jan 19 14:39:00 watch your app segfault Jan 19 14:39:17 this blocks a portrait hildon-desktop, or a portrait control panel Jan 19 14:39:24 control panel applet* Jan 19 14:39:38 hum ... Jan 19 14:39:45 will try :) Jan 19 14:40:09 never notice it Jan 19 14:40:39 it only happens with maemo5's style Jan 19 14:40:53 AHAHA really glib? Jan 19 14:41:03 glibs are defined via comments in the code Jan 19 14:41:07 I mean gobjects Jan 19 14:41:15 to make a member private you add /*< private >*/ Jan 19 14:41:24 in a struct Jan 19 14:41:49 Right, I should take a break. Jan 19 14:41:51 Or something. Jan 19 14:41:59 hum ... sniff usb network didn't work anymore Jan 19 14:42:00 :( Jan 19 14:42:54 Hey, if i use gst_init(0,0,); in my app, i get this error "Could not initialize GStreamer: Error re-scanning registry , child terminated by signal" and my app crashes. Does someone have an idea? Jan 19 14:42:57 I'm using QtCreator Jan 19 14:46:35 MohammadAG: Segmentation fault Jan 19 14:46:38 oh ... Jan 19 14:46:44 never never notice it ! Jan 19 14:46:48 thx for the information Jan 19 14:47:21 :) Jan 19 14:47:29 it's quite annoying really Jan 19 14:47:46 MohammadAG: you cannot vote on resolved issue Jan 19 14:47:47 huhu Jan 19 14:47:57 heh Jan 19 14:47:59 did i should report a bug against the bug tracker Jan 19 14:48:00 ? Jan 19 14:48:00 :) Jan 19 14:48:12 maybe it s not a bug but a feature Jan 19 14:48:20 it's already reported Jan 19 14:48:28 and no, that's a bug in my book Jan 19 14:48:49 what if I want portrait controlpanel applets? Jan 19 14:49:03 the reason I'm rewriting controlpanel applets is for them to start in portrait Jan 19 14:51:15 MohammadAG: so using an other style works ? Jan 19 14:51:24 yep Jan 19 14:51:31 -style cleanlooks Jan 19 14:51:44 or any style other than qmaemo5 Jan 19 14:52:06 It'd be nice if Qt Creator had a "stub out class" tool Jan 19 14:52:22 I'm getting really bored of typing out all the function definitions. Jan 19 14:53:21 MohammadAG: funny to see that it s didn't come from autorotation as it s work with cleanlooks Jan 19 14:53:44 yeah, any other style works Jan 19 14:53:44 MohammadAG: does style are something hard coded ? Jan 19 14:53:59 it's 2000 lines of code, I'm not reading it :P Jan 19 14:54:12 http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/x11-maemo/blobs/4.7-fremantle/src/gui/styles/qmaemo5style.cpp Jan 19 14:54:19 given that, it's probably a lot of hardocded stuff Jan 19 15:07:42 jaffa, conflicting stuff in here, was hermes using proper apis to extract facebook contact info? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1348178/Facebook-suspends-developer-access-users-phone-numbers-addresses.html?ito=feeds-newsxml Jan 19 15:11:34 hello. i imported a vertificate for my university hotspot with 802.1x, but at the wifi login, i cant choose the certificate. i can only select "none" Jan 19 15:11:43 someone has an idea? n900, maemo5 Jan 19 15:12:15 Hi Jan 19 15:12:50 my n900 is broken but I still have an old backup of my contacts. Is there any way to import this contacts backup into my android phone, or my laptop for that matter? Jan 19 15:12:56 it's in the .osso-addressbook and other files/dir format Jan 19 15:12:58 :( Jan 19 15:13:12 and scratchbox does not seem to have the backup/restore app Jan 19 15:28:00 Okay, done 5 items on my todo list, and added one. Jan 19 15:28:04 So I'm 4 up :) Jan 19 15:31:37 Jaffa: Hi hear you created the nice script to transcode for the n900 ... is there a way to choose a audiotrack? right now it uses the first one which is german but I would prefer the englisch one? Jan 19 15:40:30 alterego: same here, but it's taken me the best part of 2 hours :( Jan 19 15:40:41 Heh Jan 19 15:40:56 Well, I've probably put about 2-3 hours in aswell today. Jan 19 15:41:39 annoying how much time is wasted doing silly little things like replying to emails Jan 19 15:41:50 Heh Jan 19 15:42:04 You bother replying? :D Jan 19 15:42:20 normally it's the ringing round people to find out what's going on, then replying Jan 19 15:42:28 alterego: part of the job unfortunately Jan 19 15:42:30 :) Jan 19 15:43:02 wonder if I should download the new MeeGo image Jan 19 15:43:12 lardman, think of all the time you're saving on phonecalls and meetings. *g* Jan 19 15:43:39 It's funny how email being easy to use actually bogs down communication. Jan 19 15:43:40 yeah but I still have to go and talk to people so I can relay that info along Jan 19 15:43:59 I should just turn my email client off and check twice a day Jan 19 15:44:07 and probably not lurk on irtc either ;) Jan 19 15:44:12 irc even Jan 19 15:44:13 Heh Jan 19 15:48:32 * alterego contemplates a "What's New" reporting system for his app. Jan 19 15:51:45 columbus is growing Jan 19 15:52:51 could possibly get bigger than tweego :p Jan 19 15:56:24 GAN900: and writing email is most of the time better, and some faster for explaining things than phone call between two non native english speaking people Jan 19 15:57:58 MohammadAG: didn't thing easy things to fix ... Jan 19 15:58:26 s/thing/found Jan 19 15:58:53 Khertan1, indeed, but people tend to clog up the tubes with irrelevant bs because it's so easy. Jan 19 15:59:15 smooph: From a DVD or...? Jan 19 15:59:15 Also: death to stream of conciousness email writers. Jan 19 16:00:11 smooph: Basically: -m-aid -m127 will select audio ID 127. I've got a new version on my HD which I need to push which does the LANG-based audio selection on all DVD rips, not just the 'dvd://' format (which selects the longest track) Jan 19 16:01:26 Jaffa: no not from a cd ... how do I give the parameter in your script ? ... and is there a way to chosse en|de instead of 1 and 2 Jan 19 16:01:51 I saw that the script already states which lang tracks are available Jan 19 16:01:53 smooph: `man mencoder'. `-m' passes a parameter straight through Jan 19 16:02:06 smooph: You might be able to do "-malang -men" Jan 19 16:02:11 [lavf] stream 0: video (h264), -vid 0 Jan 19 16:02:12 [lavf] stream 1: audio (ac3), -aid 0, -alang ger Jan 19 16:02:12 [lavf] stream 2: audio (ac3), -aid 1, -alang eng Jan 19 16:03:21 but how do I give the parameter in your script ... do I have to edit it or can I pass it through? Jan 19 16:08:40 Jaffa: sorry i am not familiar with perl and I have problems reading the code ... Jan 19 16:23:55 Jaffa: I got it thanks ... I simply copied your commandline output (which I hadn't seen *dohh*) and added "-alang eng" seems to work ... maybe you could incorperate that in your script ... I simply don't understand perl ... maybe its time to learn ;) Jan 19 16:50:44 smooph: The "-m" option to tablet-encode will pass the value of the "-m" through to mencoder. Jan 19 16:51:09 smooph: So, instead of c&p'ing the line, you could do: tablet-encode -m-alang -meng input.avi output.avi Jan 19 16:59:17 re Jan 19 16:59:19 :) Jan 19 17:01:51 i installed latest rootstrap, but how do i kn which week the build is from? Jan 19 17:03:29 MohammadAG: ouch and this isn't when displaying a window ... happen at QApplication init Jan 19 17:04:18 Jaffa: ok now I understand ... Jan 19 17:04:32 Khertan1, yes Jan 19 17:04:47 still might be a nice addon to the script ... take care Jan 19 17:13:25 Evening, ladies, gentlemen, and other life forms Jan 19 17:16:02 RST38h: hey, zombies are either ladies or gentlemen as well! Jan 19 17:17:05 anybody help me out please - what's busybox analogon for bash ``read var'' ? Jan 19 17:18:15 esp for ``read -t 30 var'' Jan 19 17:18:58 or does ~messybox apply here? Jan 19 17:19:13 ~messybox Jan 19 17:19:13 messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils Jan 19 17:25:22 DocScrutinizer: busybox sh has read, and that read supports -t Jan 19 17:25:49 errr, maybe I'm blind... Jan 19 17:26:08 mikki-kun, zombie dogs exist. Jan 19 17:26:20 \o/ Jan 19 17:26:24 thanks MrBawb Jan 19 17:26:32 lcuk: they are usually not in IRC :) Jan 19 17:26:47 mikki-kun, you don't /join enough channels then. Jan 19 17:26:57 int RenderSound(int Samples) Jan 19 17:27:02 no,not this one Jan 19 17:27:04 /mode +b raaa@innnnsssss Jan 19 17:27:16 RST38h, hm Jan 19 17:27:18 this one: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42357 Jan 19 17:27:27 lcuk: i am studying biology and i can tell you, dogs can't possibly IRC =p Jan 19 17:34:17 many people might behave like dogs though..^^ Jan 19 17:35:15 derf: well I *am* right, so there! Jan 19 17:35:19 DocScrutinizer: ty Jan 19 17:41:05 My N900 is getting pretty battered and I'm wondering if it will last long enough for the successor. Does anyone know anything about such a product? Jan 19 17:41:22 jeward: and yes, you already asked. Jan 19 17:41:52 I asked in Meego. Jan 19 17:42:11 same thing Jan 19 17:42:16 Your answer isn't going to be different here .. Jan 19 17:42:31 RST38h, what sound are you rendering? Jan 19 17:42:53 I thought maybe there were different people on the two channels. :-) My bad. Jan 19 17:42:59 lcuk: something for a client Jan 19 17:43:05 jeward:no. Jan 19 18:00:39 hey Jan 19 18:00:48 i'm trying to share some photos using 'sharing' Jan 19 18:01:01 ah, hello thresh Jan 19 18:01:03 i failed to provide a proper password for my account, so now photo is stuck Jan 19 18:01:28 says 'transfer error' in sharing applet in a drop-down menu Jan 19 18:01:39 i cant find a way to cancel it, nor restart Jan 19 18:01:53 and I have other photos waiting in queue, so nothing happens Jan 19 18:01:56 any way to fix that? Jan 19 18:02:03 RST38h: hi, whatsup Jan 19 18:02:26 thresh: not much, btw, has any got a decent, usable version of VLC on android? Jan 19 18:02:43 RST38h: no, not yet. guys are working on it still. Jan 19 18:03:30 Anybody have project management software recommendations for distributed management of about a dozen projects over 3-4 people? Jan 19 18:04:47 GAN900: trac is popular Jan 19 18:06:13 MrBawb, ah, indeed. Didn't think about that. Jan 19 18:07:45 thresh: lots of trouble there? Jan 19 18:15:42 RST38h: I don't know really. IIRC they don't have a hw, only worked with an emulator. Jan 19 18:15:52 that should be fixed soonish, though Jan 19 18:16:07 thresh: ah ok Jan 19 18:20:33 ok it looks like sharing to vkontakte is broken Jan 19 18:48:46 lame tmo auto capitalizes O_O Jan 19 18:49:02 Should I say, auto de-capitalizes. Jan 19 18:49:18 Try 0_0 Jan 19 18:49:33 Or Cyrillic Os. Jan 19 18:52:37 ~seen crashanddie Jan 19 18:52:42 crashanddie <~crashandd@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 7d 2h 54m 47s ago, saying: 'or we're not providing the position'. Jan 19 18:52:49 ~seen crashanddie_ Jan 19 18:52:50 crashanddie_ <~slauwers@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 11d 16h 44m 9s ago, saying: 'anyway, good night all'. Jan 19 18:54:54 oh hai Jan 19 18:55:20 MohammadAG, that can't be right. Jan 19 18:55:26 anyone knows how to import a *.p12 certificate into microb? Jan 19 18:55:48 Hrm, Nokia do usb 3g dongles. Groovy Jan 19 18:56:28 GAN900, I just send him an email, hope he's fine :/ Jan 19 18:56:59 MohammadAG, indeed. Jan 19 18:58:00 :/ Jan 19 18:58:18 Wow, the X5 looks really nasty. Jan 19 18:59:10 tbh, all the X5's look a bit odd. Jan 19 19:12:24 * alterego packages up a new version of columbus Jan 19 19:15:33 nokai X5? Jan 19 19:19:53 ChanServ has left the building Jan 19 19:27:43 Compiling packages that rely on other new packages is a pain in the ass. Jan 19 19:28:20 I'm going to have to wait and synchronise with 3 extras-devel package imports. Jan 19 19:39:49 Hi Jan 19 19:44:12 * alterego hums inanely waiting for package import Jan 19 19:51:34 how to get source code of any module in scratchbox? Jan 19 19:52:44 makulkar: can you give me an example of what you want? Jan 19 19:52:49 I'm not sure what you mean. Jan 19 19:53:28 say i have qtmobility module built in, i need to get source of the binaries which is in SB Jan 19 19:53:50 X-Fade: looks like there's a couple of packages stuck in the extras builder queue Jan 19 19:54:12 alterego, I think i have 1.1.0 qtmobility so i can extract the code from some place and build, but would be nice to get exact code of binaries in scratchbox Jan 19 19:55:11 makulkar: apt-get source libqtm-* Jan 19 19:56:16 alterego, E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/maemo.research.nokia.com_repository_harmattan_dists_default_unreleased_adobe_source_Sources Jan 19 19:56:37 You're not going to get that are you .. Jan 19 19:57:36 alterego, looks like.. who wants adobe source! Jan 19 19:58:50 It wont be there. Jan 19 19:58:57 It'll be a binary blob Jan 19 19:59:11 source doesn't necessarily mean source code in this case .. Jan 19 19:59:15 It just means the source package. Jan 19 19:59:39 Which may be a closed, proprietary, binary blog. Jan 19 20:00:14 * alterego sighs, another 20 minutes. Jan 19 20:00:17 * alterego makes a cup of coffee Jan 19 20:01:55 alterego, thanks. wget the code ;) Jan 19 20:16:39 ~seen crashanddie_mbp Jan 19 20:16:48 crashanddie_mbp was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 393d 17h 13m 57s ago, saying: 'and I'm utterly amazed at the complexity of the previous sentence after drinking so heavily and it being 4AM'. Jan 19 20:16:57 cough Jan 19 20:17:19 I kinda hate those nick-hoppers Jan 19 20:18:15 I hate waiting for package imports just to be able to build another one. Jan 19 20:18:31 ~2m now then I can upload the last. Jan 19 20:18:33 WTF - http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-01-13.log.html#t2011-01-13T07:44:26 Jan 19 20:18:55 actually gone since 7 days Jan 19 20:19:33 So it seems. Jan 19 20:19:39 Doesn't look great :/ Jan 19 20:19:46 yeah :-/ Jan 19 20:19:50 Does anyone know him personally? Jan 19 20:20:20 qwerty12 :-D Jan 19 20:20:27 Hah Jan 19 20:20:33 Well, maybe emailing him .. Jan 19 20:20:39 moh did Jan 19 20:21:00 I thought he emailed crashanddie, not qwerty Jan 19 20:21:28 aah Jan 19 20:22:39 to tell him there's possibly reason to open the champagne? Jan 19 20:23:24 Oh, you were joking about qwerty :P Jan 19 20:23:33 I don't think they parted as friends, when qwerty12 ragequit Jan 19 20:23:38 He's not tweeted since the 13th either. Jan 19 20:23:48 http://twitter.com/teotwaki Jan 19 20:24:54 Finally! /me uploads the last package. Jan 19 20:25:21 Hopefully real life called in a good way. Jan 19 20:25:31 He probably got a girlfriend. Jan 19 20:28:51 * alterego holds breath Jan 19 20:29:12 This is the last package that needs building, then updates should start working for end-users Jan 19 20:29:19 In about 20 minutes Jan 19 20:29:26 (next package import cycle) -_- Jan 19 20:30:26 Oh god .. Jan 19 20:31:02 That was weird .. Jan 19 20:31:02 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-01-12.log.html#t2011-01-12T17:36:24 I guess the men in black helicopters homed in on him Jan 19 20:31:47 Heh Jan 19 20:31:58 Yay, it built :) Jan 19 20:32:01 Though oddly. Jan 19 20:32:02 does androiid 2.2 work properly with maemo5 dualboot now on n900 now ? Jan 19 20:32:06 alterego, :) the package thing I have too Jan 19 20:32:18 I *believe* it got fixed Jan 19 20:32:32 and now dependencies are checked against the pending transfer to -devel queue Jan 19 20:32:34 "[extras-builds] [fremantle]: columbus 0.9.3-1 UNKNOWN" Jan 19 20:32:42 That's not the sort of shit I want in my inbox thanks. Jan 19 20:32:52 so that if you push in sequence, library, app" even immediately after each other Jan 19 20:32:57 the dependencies will be resolved Jan 19 20:32:58 lcuk: so if I upload them all at the same time? Jan 19 20:33:03 ask X-Fade though Jan 19 20:33:07 Okay, Jan 19 20:33:12 alterego, sequence with web site is all I do Jan 19 20:33:15 I'll be sure to ask him next time. Jan 19 20:33:17 I scp Jan 19 20:33:32 well technically that will still be sequential I would imagine? Jan 19 20:33:52 Depends how long it takes. Jan 19 20:33:57 There are at least 3 builders Jan 19 20:34:10 2 are blocked at the moment so yeah, should be sequenctial ^.^ Jan 19 20:34:32 15 minutes before I can test upgrading through extras-devel -_- Jan 19 20:35:24 I guess lcuk stabbed crashanddie, in an effort to disclose which apps introduced doom into extras Jan 19 20:35:45 :-P Jan 19 20:36:17 hmm? Jan 19 20:36:25 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-01-12.log.html#t2011-01-12T17:36:24 Jan 19 20:36:30 when did doom get uploaded, I love that game :P Jan 19 20:36:36 ""famous last words"" Jan 19 20:36:47 hahahaha Jan 19 20:36:51 good one Jan 19 20:37:02 I've decided, for every release of Columbus that I announce, I'm going to put a different reason for people to donate for my work. Jan 19 20:37:20 This week it's "Help me pay for my fsckin massive phone bill" Jan 19 20:37:40 did it help? Jan 19 20:37:53 Dunno, not posted the message yet :) Jan 19 20:38:04 As the update isn't in and I've not tested installing it yet ^.^ Jan 19 20:38:26 About 10 more minutes though Jan 19 20:38:28 with h-e-n we're at an amazing 35bucks, after 4 weeks Jan 19 20:38:38 That is dyer :/ Jan 19 20:39:04 You don't have an inbuilt donate button though do you? Jan 19 20:39:15 that's the problem :-P Jan 19 20:39:16 Also, it's not in extras (though either is Columbus) Jan 19 20:39:37 I wonder what your user metrics are . Jan 19 20:39:52 .oO(???) Jan 19 20:40:12 Usage statistics Jan 19 20:40:19 NFC Jan 19 20:40:21 it's in -devel Jan 19 20:40:22 how many, where from, how often they update. Jan 19 20:40:29 you can get statistics from devel Jan 19 20:40:40 failed on that Jan 19 20:40:42 where from in -devel is the only place then :) Jan 19 20:41:02 the only question, you mean Jan 19 20:41:13 total 57179 Jan 19 20:41:21 I've already decided on the donate motiviational reason for my next release ^.^ Jan 19 20:41:49 columbus 28285 o_O Jan 19 20:42:17 waaaah, substract 3 of them Jan 19 20:42:34 Wow Jan 19 20:42:36 Really? Jan 19 20:42:39 Where did you get that info? Jan 19 20:42:40 mediabar 15014 Jan 19 20:42:45 Or I will tell Monk to visit you Jan 19 20:42:47 I think we have a lot of lurking users... Jan 19 20:42:57 MohammadAG: link me bitch Jan 19 20:43:16 you need to hack maemo.org's packages system, luckily, someone did it for you http://maemo.dadablog.net/AppStats.php Jan 19 20:43:20 don't call me bitch bitch :p Jan 19 20:43:40 I'm just saying how it is :P Jan 19 20:43:42 Bitch :P Jan 19 20:44:20 * MohammadAG kicks alterego Jan 19 20:44:38 o.O wonder what's the pkg name of h-e-n Jan 19 20:44:57 hostmode-gui Jan 19 20:45:20 didn't use h-e-n since it wouldn't return hits in apt-cache search Jan 19 20:45:27 and nobody would search for h-e-n really :p Jan 19 20:46:05 I think as far as columbus is concerned 28,284 of them are the same guy reinstalling it to get it to work. Jan 19 20:46:10 rootsh needs 4k more downloads Jan 19 20:46:23 496512 Jan 19 20:46:26 half a mil. Jan 19 20:46:39 WTF happened in 2011? Jan 19 20:46:48 alter: that crash does not occur when moving btw Jan 19 20:46:50 Loads of freebies Jan 19 20:46:56 nevermind Jan 19 20:46:57 RST38h: really? Jan 19 20:47:02 So only when stationary? Jan 19 20:47:11 alterego: yes,when changing orientation Jan 19 20:47:20 Changing orientation without a lock? Jan 19 20:47:26 DocScrutinizer, we all died, this is afterlife Jan 19 20:47:30 with a lock Jan 19 20:47:34 see? it's the same as the life before Jan 19 20:47:45 Hrm, okay. Jan 19 20:47:56 alterego: also have some comments on the screenslayout Jan 19 20:48:06 wow, if everyone of those donated 1 buck Jan 19 20:48:10 RST38h: go ahead :) Jan 19 20:48:13 alterego: basically, landscape-mode main screen is somewhat random Jan 19 20:48:23 DocScrutinizer, that's not the proper way to do it Jan 19 20:48:25 alterego: you probably want to rethink what you show at the right side Jan 19 20:48:33 we should sell next version in ovi, for .99 Jan 19 20:48:34 alterego:and show something moreimportant Jan 19 20:48:35 if everyone of those donated 0.99c Jan 19 20:48:46 yes, that's marketing, 0.99 < 1 Jan 19 20:48:52 alterego: I would say, SPEED, ALTITUDE, ACCELERATION Jan 19 20:48:55 RST38h: mainview being what? Jan 19 20:49:00 first screen Jan 19 20:49:09 alterego: or SPEED, ALTITUDE, SATS Jan 19 20:49:13 I guess that depends who you are Jan 19 20:49:19 And speed is there Jan 19 20:49:25 alterego: yes, I know Jan 19 20:49:27 DocScrutinizer, now if this was the iPhone, you could see for 0.99, and we'll probably be around Bill Gates' income Jan 19 20:49:32 sell* Jan 19 20:49:41 I removed altitude becuase I didn't tnink it was that important. Jan 19 20:49:49 alterego: Just think of prioritizing this stuff (and I understand how difficult it is given that these graphs do not show in portrait) Jan 19 20:49:54 true Jan 19 20:50:02 altitude is probably not ofmuch use for most people Jan 19 20:50:05 Oh, one more thing Jan 19 20:50:06 altitude is importrant Jan 19 20:50:27 One of the floating transparent buttons shows up at the middle of the screen at startup Jan 19 20:50:32 I need to know which floor I'm on by subtracting current altitude from ground altitude Jan 19 20:50:44 Something related to window rotation when it is being opened Jan 19 20:50:54 clicking the button returns it to the corner where it should be Jan 19 20:51:10 Mohammad: just look for an elevator, they have got numbering Jan 19 20:51:26 RST38h: they do now :P Jan 19 20:51:52 RST38h: yeah, known bug :) Jan 19 20:52:17 RST38h: just touching the screen fixes it actually, you don't need to press the button. Jan 19 20:57:13 Cool, got it to crash, now I can debug :D Jan 19 20:57:37 Shame I couldn't do this before this release :/ Jan 19 20:59:28 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=924140&postcount=218 Jan 19 20:59:29 w00t Jan 19 21:03:34 RST38h: when you say the main view, do you mean the track log? Jan 19 21:03:50 Because altitude is reported on the first "Status View" screen .. Jan 19 21:06:25 repos are really slow or it's just me? :) Jan 19 21:10:23 It's the millions of people downloading Columbus! :D Jan 19 21:10:26 * alterego chuckles Jan 19 21:14:07 wb crashanddie :) Jan 19 21:16:53 GAN900, he's back Jan 19 21:18:27 crashanddie: HEYA! Jan 19 21:20:29 sup Jan 19 21:23:22 I'm glad to find you well and alive Jan 19 21:24:49 I already suspected they homed in at you with their helicopters - well probably it was easier to use a car :-/ Jan 19 21:25:01 alterego: what is making columbus special and a must-have on my device? :) Jan 19 21:25:07 ([2011-01-19 21:25:38] http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-01-12.log.html#t2011-01-12T17:36:24 I guess the men in black helicopters homed in on him) Jan 19 21:31:48 DocScrutinizer: sorry, I'm keeping my bastard operator job in this channel for a while longer Jan 19 21:32:00 LOL Jan 19 21:32:26 good Jan 19 21:32:31 is it so bad? Jan 19 21:35:17 * trumee N900 has the most SHITTY SIP voice quality ever. Jan 19 21:35:53 * trumee F*ck you Nokia for downgrading Sip from N95 Jan 19 21:37:48 * trumee and Collabora too! Jan 19 21:38:06 * trumee feels lighter now Jan 19 21:43:24 hi guys Jan 19 21:43:57 is it posible to add folders from computer to the default media player UPnP thingy? Jan 19 21:45:20 Tokz, yeah, you need to use an upnp server on your computer. Jan 19 21:45:33 okay Jan 19 21:45:35 how does that work? Jan 19 21:45:39 Tokz, Windows has it somehow builtin, but as a non-user I have no idea. Jan 19 21:45:51 alright Jan 19 21:45:53 Tokz, for Linux you can install for example mediatomb. Jan 19 21:46:02 im using windows =( Jan 19 21:46:22 Tokz, Windows => look at keywords like sharing or adding files to Windows Media Player. Jan 19 21:46:52 so it works through windows media player? Jan 19 21:47:27 Tokz: Guess so, it's doable, my wife managed after fiddling with it for a couple of evenings, so you'll manage too :) Jan 19 21:47:40 :D Jan 19 21:47:41 hope so Jan 19 21:48:13 Anyway, anyone got here an idea how to verify that packets are being marked correctly by iptables (--set-mark)? Jan 19 21:48:29 when i go to media player and choose one of those default UPnP folders it just keeps loading and loading Jan 19 21:48:31 nothing happens Jan 19 21:48:36 Failing that, channel recommendations where this question would be on topic ;) Jan 19 21:50:20 does the mobile hotspot kernel change much on kernel and system? Jan 19 21:50:35 dont want to break any other things Jan 19 21:51:17 eichi: there is a mobile hotspot kernel? doesn't it just use kernel-power? Jan 19 21:51:35 Ahaha, Nokia X10 has been leaked Jan 19 21:51:52 Guess what it is running, folks? =) Jan 19 21:51:59 BCMM: dont know, maybe? Jan 19 21:52:02 Symbian 20? Jan 19 21:52:11 No, Symbian^3 Jan 19 21:52:29 Why do you need Symbian 20 when Symbian^3 is such a perfect OS for everyone? Jan 19 21:52:54 ah... so... what is the value of symbian? like... 2.7? :P Jan 19 21:53:13 cause that's definitely how i define it Jan 19 21:53:13 eichi: http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power - shouldn't break anything, just adds some features Jan 19 21:53:16 BCMM: does this one make problems? Jan 19 21:53:24 presumably, there will be a tiny amount of extra memory usage Jan 19 21:54:01 BCMM: where can i see, which maemo5 version i have got? Jan 19 21:54:04 eichi: not really. it used to not support fcam drivers, but it's fixed Jan 19 21:54:35 eichi: in system settings, about device or something, but i can't remember how to interpret the version in terms of easy things like "pr1.3" Jan 19 21:55:14 Symbian = 2.7145 Jan 19 21:55:29 Symbian^3 = 20 :P Jan 19 21:56:28 20.2010.36-2 should be latest, i think Jan 19 21:57:39 BCMM: Actually for me it broke some things, e.g. g_file_storage seems to be preloaded, and I need to manually unload it and load g_nokia or else the USB selection dialog does not pop up on connection, ... Jan 19 21:57:56 yacc: are those modules? Jan 19 21:58:18 BCMM, yeah, I'm completely baffled by changing the kernel should change that userland behaviour, ... Jan 19 21:58:35 yacc: and do you mean the "charging only/mass storage/pc suite" dialog? works fine here Jan 19 22:00:32 RST38h, so MeeGo phones are still vapourware :( Jan 19 22:01:00 BCMM, yeah, I mean that dialog, and yes, I wonder why the kernel change should introduce userland behaviour changes :( Jan 19 22:01:39 BCMM, another thing is that the down commands on usb0 in /etc/network/interfaces are not run reliably anymore :( Jan 19 22:08:56 hmm..that was weird Jan 19 22:09:51 had a similar problem like before, the camera wouldn't start. the last time I had to uninstall some fcam-modules but this time it took maybe 30s for the camera app to start after opening the shutter, and then it would complain about audio in use Jan 19 22:10:20 I seemed to 'fix' it by simply pressing the camera key and after it's on standby, open the shutter Jan 19 22:10:48 but if I just opened the shutter and waited for a while for camera to start in standby and complain, it would just stay there Jan 19 22:10:59 (and start itself repeatedly) Jan 19 22:12:26 ~lart PA Jan 19 22:12:27 * infobot throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at PA Jan 19 22:13:41 damn? no pipe symbol on the linux handy? wtf? Jan 19 22:13:49 keyboard Jan 19 22:14:10 heh, it can be added Jan 19 22:14:15 also tilde is nice Jan 19 22:15:39 eichi: can be added to xterm see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35442 Jan 19 22:16:02 BCMM fcam modul loading with modprob gives an error. what do you mean with "but it's fixed" ? Jan 19 22:20:44 how did I miss the thread of the guy who modded Nokia maps Jan 19 22:21:45 BCMM do i need the kernel from extra-testing instead? Jan 19 22:32:29 mikki-kun: I don't know, try it and see. Jan 19 22:32:53 It's the only app that allows you to use your N900 as a bluetooth or usb gps mouse. Jan 19 22:33:04 s/mouse/dongle/ Jan 19 22:33:05 alterego meant: It's the only app that allows you to use your N900 as a bluetooth or usb gps dongle. Jan 19 22:35:19 ohhh, nice :) Jan 19 22:37:15 using gps as a mouse would be easy for moving, but how would it work for clicking? :) Jan 19 22:37:28 want to move the pointer down? drive south! Jan 19 22:37:44 what is the best programming language with framework for n900? c++ with qt? Jan 19 22:45:55 for clicking just jump Jan 19 22:49:34 alterego, lcuk, someone from tmo got a backtrace of a Qt app segfaulting Jan 19 22:50:11 MohammadAG: ? Jan 19 22:50:37 MohammadAG: ? Jan 19 22:50:41 ahhh Jan 19 22:50:43 rotation one Jan 19 22:51:05 One of my users? Jan 19 22:52:03 it's not rotation lcuk Jan 19 22:52:11 what is it then Jan 19 22:52:13 also, IRC is being retarded on tlaptop Jan 19 22:52:25 and make it quick :P magnum series finale is on Jan 19 22:52:33 it's the bug about starting with an app in portrait mode, not rotation itself :P Jan 19 22:52:43 cool Jan 19 22:53:18 alterego, QTBUG 16323 Jan 19 22:53:58 how I can list dbus services on n900 from commandline Jan 19 22:54:08 mdbus2 -l i think Jan 19 22:54:14 you need mdbus2, obviously Jan 19 22:54:19 I always forget what that does. Jan 19 22:54:28 That bug Jan 19 22:54:56 MohammadAG thanks Jan 19 22:55:35 alterego, it prevents rewrites and additions to make hildon-desktop portrait Jan 19 22:58:53 MohammadAG, great stuff Jan 19 22:58:58 saw the ping on the bug Jan 19 23:18:47 creating a DVD backup of 60.000 mails with K3B is busting my nerves Jan 19 23:21:20 it seems the more files are in one directory, the longer K3B needs to stat every single one of them Jan 19 23:22:22 on the largest mail directory, rate gone down to ~20 files/s :-( Jan 19 23:23:22 TAR, MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT Jan 19 23:23:53 * MohammadAG tranquilizes kerio Jan 19 23:24:03 * kerio dodges Jan 19 23:24:12 yeah, you'Re so damn right Jan 19 23:24:43 * MohammadAG tranquilizes kerio again, with 10 shots Jan 19 23:24:43 especially since it's a backup, and UDF isn't so good at permissions n shit Jan 19 23:24:47 DODGE THAT! Jan 19 23:24:48 * kerio dodges the 10 shots Jan 19 23:24:53 o_O Jan 19 23:25:12 well, so now I can muse for hours about fsckng OO code which blows chunks on insert in sorted linked lists Jan 19 23:25:12 I'm afraid I'm gonna have to nuke you Jan 19 23:25:21 * kerio dodges the nuke Jan 19 23:25:25 * MohammadAG gets out h-e-n-controlled nuke Jan 19 23:25:41 * MohammadAG nukes the earth's core with an N900 Jan 19 23:25:54 BURP Jan 19 23:26:02 MohammadAG: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0019.html Jan 19 23:27:20 93800, oh well. I know last time I tried it's been 108000 Jan 19 23:28:09 that's been 30 min ago - friggin shit couldn't read the files which had another user Jan 19 23:28:24 kerio, I prefer xkcd :p Jan 19 23:28:38 so I've seen this movie, just not with my root hat on Jan 19 23:30:00 kerio: you bet I'd have tgz'd it, if only I had enough free space on disk to store them temp file somewhere Jan 19 23:30:35 BCMM okay. kernel-power works. fcam was broken, but new driver in -testing fixed it. thanks for help! Jan 19 23:30:47 98500 Jan 19 23:30:56 eichi: oh yeah, forgot that you have to reinstall fcam drivers Jan 19 23:30:57 sorry Jan 19 23:31:09 iirc a simple apt-get install fcam-drivers (or something) does it Jan 19 23:31:45 yeah, was no problem, its done allready Jan 19 23:32:42 * DocScrutinizer wonders why PK doesn't come with fcam drivers by default Jan 19 23:33:19 DocScrutinizer PK is in extras, fcam driver in testing? dont know, but think Jan 19 23:33:22 hell, they're even supposed to be backward compatible Jan 19 23:34:00 *sigh* PK of extras is ... err, stinking old? Jan 19 23:34:25 how does the fix work, anyway? does fcam come with drivers compiled for power-kernel too? Jan 19 23:34:49 good question Jan 19 23:35:05 yes Jan 19 23:35:14 it insmod-s all .ko files Jan 19 23:35:21 should be compiled against same versions... Jan 19 23:35:29 the ones that work - well, work, and the ones that don't, don't Jan 19 23:35:39 so basically, it loads both omap1 and power46 modules Jan 19 23:35:59 LOL Jan 19 23:36:21 err wut? PK46 is in extras? Jan 19 23:36:45 -devel Jan 19 23:36:52 or don't the modules match a certain version of PK? Jan 19 23:37:09 MohammadAG: what is "it" in this case? some startup script installed with the fcam drivers? Jan 19 23:37:13 when PK is updated, they push the same source again and it's rebuilt against the newest PK Jan 19 23:37:19 BCMM, yep Jan 19 23:38:09 aaah, so -devel has PK46-compliant fcam modules, and xtras whatever 42 Jan 19 23:38:20 automagically :-) Jan 19 23:38:31 the notification that sms and email uses is it org.freedesktop.Notifications.Notify? Jan 19 23:38:38 MohammadAG: is there some reason not to use stuff like "/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/module_i_want.ko" on maemo? Jan 19 23:39:06 BCMM: missing competence? Jan 19 23:39:35 also I'd expect 7he modules to get autoloaded then Jan 19 23:40:16 109000 Jan 19 23:40:21 zzZZzz Jan 19 23:41:48 DocScrutinizer appears to be broken Jan 19 23:42:00 DocScrutinizer, the concept is mindfucked really Jan 19 23:42:54 concept of staring at a progress bar, watching counter go up to 116400? yes, I fully agree Jan 19 23:43:47 by 4 steps of 10 / s >:-( Jan 19 23:44:03 wooooooo it runs again Jan 19 23:44:14 * BCMM reads the scrollback Jan 19 23:44:17 why not tar it first? Jan 19 23:44:17 400 / s Jan 19 23:44:31 no space for temp file Jan 19 23:44:43 gah, fun Jan 19 23:46:32 how many emails again? Jan 19 23:54:06 is it me, or is freenode shitty tonight Jan 19 23:56:45 seems to be Freenode Jan 19 23:57:01 though the red and green text is somewhat soothing Jan 19 23:57:13 :) Jan 19 23:58:14 60000 in larges drawer Jan 19 23:58:20 err directory Jan 19 23:59:20 DocScrutinizer, why are you backing up 60000 emails? Jan 19 23:59:28 indexing them will take a shitload of time Jan 20 00:01:06 60k mail.... since when did you start keeping them? Jan 20 00:01:07 yeah >:-((, aborted after 37% of burning, "insufficient permissions accessing writer, finalizing aborted" - DVD = junk, me pissed Jan 20 00:01:25 err, 3 years Jan 20 00:01:28 What the fuck? Jan 20 00:01:39 What kind of a retard system are you running? :P Jan 20 00:02:11 MEH, bye Jan 20 00:02:12 Well, columbus 0.9.3 has been up for 3 hours, 0 donations :'( Jan 20 00:02:17 I think I'm going to bed. Jan 20 00:02:22 n8 Jan 20 00:02:27 o/ Jan 20 00:02:28 g'night Jan 20 00:20:19 hi. Jan 20 00:20:50 how does maemo hide mouse cursor? I would like to reenable it. (it's a bit hard to click using a mouse without a cursor ;-) ) Jan 20 00:21:58 smoku: i think it just uses a default cursor which isn't there Jan 20 00:22:02 if you see what i mean Jan 20 00:22:40 smoku: when i plug in a USB mouse using H-E-N, a cursor appears - i *think* it's extkbd that does that Jan 20 00:22:46 so you could look at how extkbd works Jan 20 00:22:46 BCMM, mhm. but under Xephyr I do see a mouse cursor (the X) until hildon-desktop starts Jan 20 00:23:05 so it's probably somewhere in hildon-desktop code, but grepping for 'cursor' does not help Jan 20 00:23:11 smoku: i mean, i presume it loads a custom cursor which is entirely transparent Jan 20 00:23:23 (or is a cursor of size 0*0 permitted?) Jan 20 00:23:46 ok. I will look to extkbd source Jan 20 00:25:56 smoku: i'm not *completely* sure that's why the cursor appears, because i didn't try a mouse before installing it Jan 20 00:26:49 grepping extkbd for 'cursor' does not help too :/ Jan 20 00:29:16 yes, cursor is transparent Jan 20 00:29:22 it's there, but transparent Jan 20 00:29:30 use bt-hid-scripts to enable it Jan 20 00:30:39 * shamus is reloading all his apps on his n800 after a reflash fun fun fun good thing the backup seams to have backupd up everything now just need to figure out why the restore failed to put my crap back in the home holder Jan 20 00:31:47 cp /usr/share/icons/default/cursors/arrow.azerty1 /usr/share/icons/default/cursors/transp - doh :D Jan 20 00:31:56 MohammadAG, thx :) Jan 20 00:32:19 yw :) Jan 20 00:32:36 I want my HeeGo, ty smoku :P Jan 20 00:32:55 night chaps Jan 20 00:33:12 (HeeGo = MaeGo, just sounds a bit less weird :P) Jan 20 00:33:41 MohammadAG, we've already renamed to 'Cordia' Jan 20 00:33:53 Cordia? Jan 20 00:33:56 omg sweet it dit restor stuff as the apps were installed Jan 20 00:33:59 what does that mean? Jan 20 00:34:21 MohammadAG, just a random word I made up. it turned out that this is a flower. :) Jan 20 00:34:36 first time doign a reflash Jan 20 00:34:49 was woried about the backup Jan 20 00:34:53 tsk tsk tsk, you're supposed to follow Nokia's trend and use wind names! :P Jan 20 00:35:03 oh second reflash but first one with data Jan 20 00:36:00 MohammadAG, yes. and since this is exact opposite of meego on maemo core we have a 'Hurricane' codename :) Jan 20 00:36:25 for the first release Jan 20 00:36:37 LOL Jan 20 00:37:02 Hurricane isn't exactly a wind, but... it works I guess :p Jan 20 00:37:15 it's an exact opposite of Harmattan Jan 20 00:37:40 And maemo 7's gonna be "Tsunami" I guess Jan 20 00:38:03 harmatan is dry, dusty and light. hurricane is wet and strong :) Jan 20 00:38:06 so from winds to waves? Jan 20 00:38:13 yep Jan 20 00:38:38 smoku, and dark Jan 20 00:39:06 i wonder why never have hurricanes here in IL Jan 20 00:39:50 but giving a project 'hurricane' name sounded king of cheesy Jan 20 00:40:23 nah, it's cool :P Jan 20 00:47:35 MohammadAG which files contain the ui of qtmediaplayer i want to see it as an example for creating UI for application Jan 20 00:48:00 nah, it's cool :P Jan 20 00:48:02 err Jan 20 00:48:07 fuck up + enter Jan 20 00:48:14 ui files, duh :P Jan 20 00:48:39 though really, it's not the best ui to use as an example Jan 20 00:53:33 MohammadAG what is git link? Jan 20 00:54:31 gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer Jan 20 00:57:17 night Jan 20 00:58:57 ok. I still do not know how HD hides the cursor, but at least I know how to show it :) Jan 20 01:00:10 hi all, might anyone know how to backup the kernel on a N810 using the flasher? Jan 20 01:01:48 someone uses the ponodoro tool? what does estimate mean in this tool? estimated time or how important it is? (maybe a language problem for me) Jan 20 01:03:53 it doesn't hide it smoku Jan 20 01:06:00 MohammadAG, it sets it to transparent. OK. but where??! Jan 20 01:06:24 it doesn't set to transparent :P Jan 20 01:06:36 all cursors icons are symlinks to transp Jan 20 01:06:42 so X shows transp Jan 20 01:06:53 maybe on Maemo Jan 20 01:06:56 X handles cursors, not the wm Jan 20 01:07:01 but not on my suse desktop ;P Jan 20 01:07:11 how come? Jan 20 01:07:20 Xephyr is different fyi Jan 20 01:07:42 i'm running hildon-desktop on my workstation machine Jan 20 01:07:59 so I do not have transparent cursors on my machine Jan 20 01:08:11 DISPLAY=:2 xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr Jan 20 01:08:23 and I have normal cursor under Xephyr Jan 20 01:09:21 I just cannot find where in the hildon-desktop code it gets disabled Jan 20 01:10:48 hi all, might anyone know how to backup the kernel on a N810 using the flasher? Jan 20 01:14:21 Hi! How can I configure custom colours für use in the calendar? Jan 20 01:14:46 Is the calendar palette configured in a config file or is it theme based? Jan 20 01:15:13 if yes, where??? Jan 20 01:15:31 smoku: if it helps, a default cursor can be seen when you mouse-over certain not-very-hildonised applications Jan 20 01:16:24 smoku, X=! Xephyr Jan 20 01:16:39 hildon-desktop doesn't handle the cursor at all Jan 20 01:17:38 that's probably you enabling the host cursor in xephyr Jan 20 01:21:24 MohammadAG, no. the Xephyr cursor stays in the Xephyr window when the X cursor leaves it Jan 20 01:22:21 I see the default X cursor in Xephyr window until I launch hildon-desktop - then it disappears. and reapears once I close hildon-desktop process Jan 20 01:22:59 weird Jan 20 01:57:35 smoku: it might in matchbox Jan 20 01:59:50 smoku: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle12-20100706/source/matchbox-window-manager-2/matchbox/core/mb-window-manager.c#1868 Jan 20 02:00:48 hm is there a way to have trackerd index a directory only for sound but not for image files? Jan 20 02:01:25 javispedro, oh. I forgot that it is linked in statically. thanks :) Jan 20 02:02:34 i'm bored of having all my album art in the image app Jan 20 02:02:58 wow, Dorian ebook reader is pretty nice Jan 20 02:03:22 (i want to be able to customise the colourscheme, but that's a minor thing) Jan 20 02:07:43 how does the n900 work when you put in a microsd card? does it auto mount under MyDocs or something? Jan 20 02:09:45 mine ends up on /media/mmc1 Jan 20 02:10:30 so it doesnt auto setup and start using the card for stuff? Jan 20 02:11:36 like backup your contacts to the card and create folders for stuff Jan 20 02:14:38 ger i lost all my pidgen and xchat settings during my refrsh and they did nto get restured when i restored my back up :-( Jan 20 02:16:17 as is the BBM for maemo Jan 20 02:16:23 well atleast my caender survived Jan 20 02:16:30 any version?? Jan 20 02:17:36 omg i lost all my flipclock alarms too Jan 20 02:17:40 n800 Jan 20 02:18:01 for N900 Jan 20 02:19:43 heh, got ajaxplorer running on n900 Jan 20 02:23:09 Psi, most(?) things let you select either the internal MyDocs flash or the microsd Jan 20 02:24:31 ah, ok Jan 20 02:29:38 Psi: it doesn't "take over" the card or anything. it just mounts it and shows it in the file-manager Jan 20 02:30:24 the reason you can go up one level and see the fake N900 directory is that removable media will be shown next to it Jan 20 02:36:37 * shamus makes note to self to backup .flipclockprefs.xml manuly Jan 20 02:36:55 next time he has to reflash Jan 20 02:40:25 GuySoft: there is no way to backup kernel Jan 20 02:43:08 DocScrutinizer: maybe boot of ubi fs? Jan 20 02:43:17 mtd Jan 20 02:43:53 dont know; sadly dont know much ofit Jan 20 02:44:16 ... maybe mount ubi fs Jan 20 02:44:22 sid_on: you can read out mtd incl bad blocks, but not write back Jan 20 02:45:43 hey. my N900 is 100% dead (won't turn on even with a fully charged battery). RIP. How might I be able to get stuff off of the internal storage? I'm OK with disassembling it, and OK finding someone with whatever equipment I need (maybe something to access NAND or whatever) Jan 20 02:46:00 it's long since past the warranty period, of course Jan 20 02:46:00 DocScrutinizer, nevermind, flashed and back by now Jan 20 02:46:18 BTW, is Xephyr delivered with Maemo SDK is special in regard to OpenGL? I recall testing some OpenGL apps under SDK and they run smooth. But on my local suse Xephyr clutter test apps give me around 4fps. Jan 20 02:46:33 cant get nitdoird working though.. seems to think i have no battery Jan 20 02:47:26 Hydroxide: all N900s (in the EU) are warrantied. Jan 20 02:47:40 Hydroxide: I suppose suggesting 'restore from backups' is not helpful? Jan 20 02:48:04 strange; i bought it because it is linux and not android Jan 20 02:48:20 SpeedEvil: mine is not in the EU :) anyway, no, that isn't helpful. I think I have even made some backups, but not the most current info Jan 20 02:48:30 Hydroxide: what do you want to recover? Jan 20 02:48:34 SpeedEvil: contacts, primarily Jan 20 02:48:47 Hydroxide: might it be the USB connector? Jan 20 02:48:50 SpeedEvil: which would be on the internal storage as I understand it Jan 20 02:48:58 SpeedEvil: the USB connector no longer exists :) physically :) Jan 20 02:49:03 Ah. Jan 20 02:49:11 SpeedEvil: however I've been charging the battery separately with a Li-Ion battery charger Jan 20 02:49:51 SpeedEvil: the battery is fully charged. it doesn't turn on. I just bought a replacement phone. (Android, sadly; I really wanted the N9 to come out before my phone died, but it didn't happen. maybe when this one dies I'll look at the then-current MeeGo options.) Jan 20 02:49:57 And this no longer works? Jan 20 02:50:00 ah Jan 20 02:50:02 hmm Jan 20 02:50:19 Do you own a voltmeter? Jan 20 02:50:31 SpeedEvil: I know people who do. Jan 20 02:50:44 I would check that the battery actually has voltage. Jan 20 02:50:51 I assumed there would be some degree of hardware hacking in this project. Jan 20 02:51:09 SpeedEvil: oh ... hm ... well it does show as fully charged in the charger (which has an LCD display) Jan 20 02:51:09 The battery has internal protection devices that could be triggered by a improper charge. Jan 20 02:51:23 SpeedEvil: I've also done many rounds of charging before with no problem using this charger Jan 20 02:51:28 Desoldering the NAND is unfortunately really complex. Jan 20 02:51:33 SpeedEvil: and it's within the electrical parameters Jan 20 02:51:37 It's a BGA chip. Jan 20 02:51:38 SpeedEvil: of the charger Jan 20 02:52:07 hm... Jan 20 02:52:21 I would first - if I was doing this - try to replace the USB socket. Jan 20 02:52:40 And then see if the rootfs can be flashed - this does not remove contacts. Jan 20 02:52:57 err isn't NAND on PoP Jan 20 02:53:01 no Jan 20 02:53:09 NAND is a seperate package Jan 20 02:53:10 err Jan 20 02:53:12 SpeedEvil: how would the USB port being fixed help if it doesn't turn on with a fully charged battery? are you thinking that the problem might be specifically in accessing the battery, not in turning on per se? Jan 20 02:53:12 my bad. Jan 20 02:53:14 I meant EMMC Jan 20 02:53:49 Hydroxide: 'doesn't turn on' can be due to several causes that may be work-aroundable with a woking USB port Jan 20 02:54:08 SpeedEvil: ok. well the port is physically missing - of course it originally got weakened due to the bad surface-mounting design decision Jan 20 02:54:24 SpeedEvil: and it fell into a pharmacy escalator (not joking!) so is really lost Jan 20 02:54:28 esp without a loose usb rcptcl shorting circuits Jan 20 02:54:42 The USB socket is a commodity part. Jan 20 02:54:52 DocScrutinizer51: I understood 6 of those 8 words :) Jan 20 02:55:05 DocScrutinizer51: (minus esp and rcptcl) Jan 20 02:55:27 SpeedEvil: and would it be obvious after disassembly how to solder it on? Jan 20 02:55:44 especially receptacle? Jan 20 02:55:45 yes Jan 20 02:56:15 DocScrutinizer51: well it's definitely not short-circuiting anything by not being there :) Jan 20 02:57:12 Hydroxide: For someone skilled in the art. Jan 20 02:57:28 SpeedEvil: right. again, that's not me, but I may know people. Jan 20 02:57:44 I wonder if your average nokia care centre would be able to coldflash the phones rootfs. Jan 20 02:58:00 This doesn't need the USB connector Jan 20 02:58:16 wouldn't the idea be to extract something, instead of changing what's on the rootfs? Jan 20 02:58:42 Hydroxide: you flash the rootfs - on the huypothesis that something has become corrupted, and this allows it to boot. Jan 20 02:58:52 SpeedEvil: oh, my hypothesis is hardware damage Jan 20 02:59:07 For example, also, the power button may have been damaged Jan 20 02:59:24 This would do the above too. Jan 20 02:59:26 SpeedEvil: it literally didn't leave my bedroom from when I turned it off normally (via the power button UI) and when it failed to turn on several hours later Jan 20 02:59:30 yeah Jan 20 02:59:41 SpeedEvil: and it didn't fall during that time, or get wet during that time. though it may have been used in moist weather previously. Jan 20 02:59:50 But you can work around that by setting 'R&D' mode IIRC **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 20 02:59:57 2011