**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 20 02:59:57 2011
Jan 20 03:00:09 <SpeedEvil> OR maybe it's some ohter mode - I forget - but you can only do that with USB
Jan 20 03:00:11 <DocScrutinizer51> heh, not w/o usb
Jan 20 03:00:18 <Hydroxide> sure, yeah. i've done R&D mode before (when I had a usb port)
Jan 20 03:00:31 <SpeedEvil> It's possible it's some more involved hardwared amage - but reading the NAND after desoldering is not easy
Jan 20 03:00:34 <SpeedEvil> err
Jan 20 03:00:36 <SpeedEvil> reading the EMMC
Jan 20 03:01:21 <DocScrutinizer51> haha, yes
Jan 20 03:01:26 <Hydroxide> hm. there's no way to get the EMMC inserted into some MMC form factor for reading in my laptop's MMC reader?
Jan 20 03:01:40 <Kilroo> I hope my new class 10 32GB microsd is delivered soon...
Jan 20 03:02:00 <DocScrutinizer51> nope
Jan 20 03:02:09 <SpeedEvil> Hydroxide: yes, it's possible - it is very, very tricky.
Jan 20 03:02:20 <SpeedEvil> And would require serious skills.
Jan 20 03:02:31 <DocScrutinizer51> SpeedEvil: different interface
Jan 20 03:02:37 <DocScrutinizer51> iirc
Jan 20 03:02:42 <SpeedEvil> Oh?
Jan 20 03:02:53 <SpeedEvil> I thought that EMMC was backwards compatible with the MMC interface
Jan 20 03:03:23 <DocScrutinizer51> jacekowski claimed it's a wider bus
Jan 20 03:03:40 <DocScrutinizer51> 8 vs 4 or sth
Jan 20 03:03:52 <SpeedEvil> I think it is, but it's backwards compatible to the earlier 4 and 1 bit protocols too.
Jan 20 03:04:10 <DocScrutinizer51> maybe
Jan 20 03:04:23 <SpeedEvil> In practice, this is nearly impossible to do.
Jan 20 03:04:26 <Hydroxide> well I'll do the obvious thing first and see dust got in that is shorting the usb :)
Jan 20 03:04:38 <Hydroxide> (I know dust itself can't short things, but maybe bits of metal are there, or something)
Jan 20 03:04:52 <Hydroxide> *see if dust ...
Jan 20 03:05:03 <SpeedEvil> true
Jan 20 03:05:04 <DocScrutinizer51> for sure it's cheaper to swap with a working N900 rather than build special adapter
Jan 20 03:06:46 <Hydroxide> DocScrutinizer51: swap *what* with a working n900 though?
Jan 20 03:07:02 <DocScrutinizer51> emmc
Jan 20 03:07:39 <Hydroxide> assuming I or someone else figured out how to desolder and resolder it, yes :)
Jan 20 03:07:51 <SpeedEvil> It's a fine-pitch BGA chip.
Jan 20 03:12:00 <SpeedEvil> http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/images/n900_12.jpeg - the large rectangular toshiba chip at the top right next to the camera
Jan 20 03:14:15 <Psi> heh apache is eating up all my memory
Jan 20 03:16:01 <DocScrutinizer> he, that's been fun :-)
Jan 20 03:16:05 <Dhraakellian> oy vey
Jan 20 03:16:27 <Dhraakellian> For some unknown reason, my n900 keeps randomly shutting off when I'm not looking
Jan 20 03:16:38 <Kilroo> That's odd.
Jan 20 03:16:42 <DocScrutinizer> I hate the blurry cam shots of case etc though
Jan 20 03:16:55 <Kilroo> Mine only shuts itself off when the rotatedaemon confuses it.
Jan 20 03:16:57 <Dhraakellian> requiring a battery removal/reseat to boot up again
Jan 20 03:17:18 <Dhraakellian> I've never actually seen it happen
Jan 20 03:17:29 <Dhraakellian> but it's annoying when I go to check the time only to find that the phone has shut off
Jan 20 03:17:49 <Hydroxide> SpeedEvil: that's the THGBM10B0BEBA12?
Jan 20 03:18:00 <Hydroxide> (heh, not sure which part of that is what)
Jan 20 03:18:39 <Dhraakellian> sometimes, it'll go for a day or two
Jan 20 03:18:46 <Dhraakellian> Today, it shut off twice
Jan 20 03:19:03 <Dhraakellian> I think it started about the same time I installed Rockbox
Jan 20 03:19:28 <Dhraakellian> ...but given that it happens even when I haven't run Rockbox on that boot-up, I doubt there's anything causal
Jan 20 03:34:52 <blackthorne> hi
Jan 20 03:42:59 <blackthorne> damn, I gave 600 eur for an iPhone 4, it's great but I have to say it wasn't reached the fun factor given by my 200 eur N900...
Jan 20 03:48:20 <shamus> how do i restore the fm radio playlist with the fmradio app on the n800? i have tryed manuly copypasting but it refuses to update on the app even after rebootign
Jan 20 03:51:18 <sid_on> .mafw-playlists
Jan 20 03:51:25 <shamus> etc\osso-af-init\gconf-dir\apps\maemo\fmradio\frequency_key
Jan 20 03:51:50 <shamus> would windowb be messing up the %gconf.xml?
Jan 20 04:18:57 <Termana> good morning
Jan 20 04:25:57 <daxt> guys , is there any voice changing app for maemo ?
Jan 20 04:29:00 <doc|home> o.O
Jan 20 04:31:06 <daxt> doc|home  xD   ya i need a voice changing app :D
Jan 20 04:31:29 <manaru> what app
Jan 20 04:31:46 <doc|home> that's just a tiny bit creepy
Jan 20 04:31:57 <manaru> and change
Jan 20 04:38:09 <daxt> even though there are legal issues , u just need to have some fun by changing the voice :D
Jan 20 04:38:14 <daxt> its worth taking the risk ;)
Jan 20 04:38:31 <daxt> anybody know a voice changing app for maemo ?
Jan 20 04:39:51 <SpeedEvil> There isn't.
Jan 20 04:40:03 <SpeedEvil> It's in principle possible, but nobody has written one.
Jan 20 04:40:32 <SpeedEvil> The web browser however is very capable, and you can use that to order a helium tank.
Jan 20 04:41:11 <daxt> it wont be that hard to change the voice dynamically
Jan 20 04:41:30 <daxt> with multithreading capabilities of Cortext
Jan 20 04:41:34 <daxt> Cortex
Jan 20 04:41:41 <SpeedEvil> You're missing the point.
Jan 20 04:41:49 <SpeedEvil> It's not hard to change.
Jan 20 04:42:08 <daxt> so we should write one :D
Jan 20 04:42:11 <SpeedEvil> But the whole phone sybsystem is rotten with poorly documented and closed bits.
Jan 20 04:42:51 <daxt> who is in here interested in having a voice changing app on your N900 ? Raise your arms PLEASE !
Jan 20 04:42:52 <maemoRebel> hello
Jan 20 04:43:03 <SpeedEvil> Interested.
Jan 20 04:43:09 <daxt> 2
Jan 20 04:43:10 <SpeedEvil> But not enough to code it.
Jan 20 04:43:13 <maemoRebel> daxt: Me, me meeee!!!!!!
Jan 20 04:43:18 <daxt> 3
Jan 20 04:43:34 <daxt> 3 votes so far
Jan 20 04:43:46 <daxt> who else ?
Jan 20 04:44:31 <maemoRebel> Is there a way on n900 to disable tracker indexing until next reboot?
Jan 20 04:45:12 <daxt> looks like othere are not interested :(
Jan 20 04:49:21 <SpeedEvil> daxt: most peopel in here are asleep.
Jan 20 04:50:00 <maemoRebel> why?
Jan 20 04:50:21 <daxt> guyz
Jan 20 04:50:25 <daxt> keep the idea in mind
Jan 20 04:50:34 <daxt> lets push it on to others
Jan 20 04:50:38 <daxt> i have to go
Jan 20 04:50:40 <daxt> take care
Jan 20 04:50:41 <daxt> bye
Jan 20 04:50:43 <SpeedEvil> maemoRebel: Tracker config can be foind in /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg
Jan 20 04:50:56 <SpeedEvil> maemoRebel: because it's 5AM in most of europe
Jan 20 04:51:07 <maemoRebel> oh, ok
Jan 20 04:51:09 <SpeedEvil> And midnight on west coast of US
Jan 20 04:51:11 <SpeedEvil> err
Jan 20 04:51:12 <SpeedEvil> east
Jan 20 04:51:22 <daxt> i am from Sri Lanka
Jan 20 04:51:29 <daxt> its 10:16 am and very sunny
Jan 20 04:51:36 <daxt> have to do some farming now :D
Jan 20 04:51:46 <SpeedEvil> I'm from Scotland, it's 4C, and very dark.
Jan 20 04:51:59 <SpeedEvil> Wave.
Jan 20 04:52:03 <daxt> cya guys
Jan 20 04:52:13 <maemoRebel> how come your up in middle of the night?
Jan 20 04:52:36 <SpeedEvil> I have a disturbed sleep cycle.
Jan 20 04:52:48 <manaru> http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_Maemo
Jan 20 04:52:55 <maemoRebel> can Sleepanalyser fix it? :-)
Jan 20 04:53:05 <SpeedEvil> No.
Jan 20 04:53:10 <SpeedEvil> I know it's completely fucked.
Jan 20 04:53:40 <SpeedEvil> I went to sleep at 3PM last night, and woke up at 3AM.
Jan 20 04:53:57 <SpeedEvil> Actually - it was I woke up at 10PM
Jan 20 04:54:13 <manaru> time zone?
Jan 20 04:54:15 <maemoRebel> why'd you do that for?
Jan 20 04:54:17 <SpeedEvil> It's seemingly random at this point.
Jan 20 04:54:25 <SpeedEvil> UK
Jan 20 04:54:40 <SpeedEvil> Because I'm feeling like crap, and falling asleep randomly for long periods.
Jan 20 04:56:21 <maemoRebel> you're feeling down, because of the random sleep cycle, or theres something else going on, and therefore your sleep gets messed up?
Jan 20 04:56:54 <SpeedEvil> Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Generally un-fun.
Jan 20 04:57:12 <SpeedEvil> Aggravated by some random infection.
Jan 20 04:57:29 <maemoRebel> oh man, that sucks
Jan 20 04:57:50 <maemoRebel> have you got health insurance?
Jan 20 04:58:15 <SpeedEvil> UK, so no. Free healthcare.
Jan 20 04:59:02 <maemoRebel> so did you see a doc. about it yet?
Jan 20 04:59:49 <SpeedEvil> Yes.
Jan 20 05:00:09 <maemoRebel> and there was nothing he could do?
Jan 20 05:00:53 <SpeedEvil> Not really.
Jan 20 05:02:20 <maemoRebel> that stinks
Jan 20 05:18:43 <DocScrutinizer> indeed
Jan 20 05:24:14 <DocScrutinizer> for the voice cooker check sox
Jan 20 05:26:28 <DocScrutinizer> the problem isn't the voice manipulation, but f'ing PA and missing docu how to feed mic to sox and esp how to feed sox to GSM
Jan 20 05:38:15 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: i never claimed it's wider bus
Jan 20 05:38:43 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: it's just different physical size
Jan 20 05:45:33 <SpeedEvil> I think it is a wider bus though
Jan 20 05:49:25 <Psi> does anyone know of a desktop widget for maemo that lets you stop/start a service (debbie-sue) and also shows you if its currently running?
Jan 20 06:45:43 <peb_> Hi guys
Jan 20 07:01:52 <jonwil> bah there must be SOME binary that I can use to identify the size of some of these data structures :(
Jan 20 07:37:07 <Sicelo> does Claws Mail on the N900 support IMAP-IDLE?
Jan 20 07:42:24 <thresh> how do I install fremantle sysroot in madde ?
Jan 20 07:43:14 <thresh> mad-admin list shows me fremantle-1030            (installable)
Jan 20 07:43:48 <thresh> but mad-admin fetch doesnt show the corresponding entry.
Jan 20 07:49:27 <alterego> thresh: either download the sysroot manually, or install madde with Nokia Qt SDK (preferred)
Jan 20 07:49:52 <thresh> i've installed madde using http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux
Jan 20 07:50:05 <jonwil> Reverse engineering mobile code is a lot harder than the desktop code I am used to reverse engineering...
Jan 20 07:50:38 <thresh> meego target seems to work.
Jan 20 07:50:58 <thresh> other than i'm having nvidia and qemu-gl seems to have problems with it :)
Jan 20 07:51:55 <alterego> thresh: install Nokia Qt SDK and copy the sysroot archive and maemo conf files to the meego madde
Jan 20 07:52:22 <alterego> There's unfortunately not an easy way to install them together
Jan 20 07:52:22 <MohammadAG> alterego, I'm away from my PC, can you test something?
Jan 20 07:52:48 <alterego> MohammadAG: I'm away from my PC (on bus) no :P
Jan 20 07:52:54 <alterego> bbiab
Jan 20 07:52:57 <MohammadAG> heh
Jan 20 07:52:58 <MohammadAG> k
Jan 20 07:53:16 <thresh> alterego: that, and i'm not really on a supported system :)
Jan 20 07:53:24 <thresh> and i'm kind of opposed of launching random .run files
Jan 20 07:53:41 <thresh> I guess getting a sysroot manually is the best choice
Jan 20 07:55:52 <thresh> I guess updating to a less outdated madde will also help?
Jan 20 07:56:17 <MohammadAG> nope
Jan 20 07:56:23 <MohammadAG> you just need the sysroot
Jan 20 07:56:27 <thresh> as I can see http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/madde/commit/b78724fe4e5635ee8f02512e8f2f44f23f012fbd?diffmode=sidebyside for instance
Jan 20 07:56:46 <thresh> well, i'd rather use PR1.3.. of course I can run dist-upgrade there anyway
Jan 20 07:56:47 <MohammadAG> i took the easy way out and installed both SDKs, then manually removed the Qt Creator stuff of one
Jan 20 07:57:40 <alterego> thresh, the meego sysroot is newer than the maemo one ;)
Jan 20 07:57:48 <alterego> It's actually what I use.
Jan 20 07:58:20 <thresh> alterego: well I want to use maemo
Jan 20 07:58:30 <thresh> and build some .dpkgs
Jan 20 07:59:00 <thresh> debs of course, ENEEDMORECOFFEE
Jan 20 07:59:50 <alterego> thresh: yeah, it's still fine to use meego madde, you just  need the corret sysroot and toolchain, (which I had to extract from the Nokia Qt SDK)
Jan 20 08:01:02 <thresh> ok
Jan 20 08:01:39 <alterego> Also, the Nokia SDK is pretty clean, installs in your home, doesn't need root privs and is self contained
Jan 20 08:15:59 <thresh> thanks guys, launched QT SDK installer, seems to have a feature only to install maemo stuff.
Jan 20 08:24:20 <Sicelo> ~bbiab
Jan 20 08:24:20 <infobot> somebody said bbiab was be back in a bit
Jan 20 08:30:36 <thresh> wtf: $ sudo mad-admin list  | grep -i fremantle
Jan 20 08:30:37 <thresh> fremantle-pr13              (installable)
Jan 20 08:30:43 <thresh> $ sudo mad-admin create -f fremante-pr13
Jan 20 08:30:44 <thresh> No predefined target/runtime 'fremante-pr13' found.
Jan 20 08:30:52 <thresh> ah crap
Jan 20 08:30:54 <thresh> sorry :(
Jan 20 08:31:05 <thresh> definitely need more coffe
Jan 20 08:35:36 <thresh> how do I "login" or chroot to madde target?
Jan 20 08:43:13 <EsEhAr> unable to login in the scratchbox
Jan 20 08:43:24 <EsEhAr> ERROR: Operation not permitted
Jan 20 08:43:25 <EsEhAr> chroot(/scratchbox/users/home)
Jan 20 08:43:25 <EsEhAr> ERROR: Operation not permitted
Jan 20 08:43:25 <EsEhAr> chroot(/scratchbox/users/home)
Jan 20 08:59:39 <koala_man> how and with what can I sync my calendar, when google isn't supported?
Jan 20 09:00:16 <korhojoa> google still works, even though it's not supported
Jan 20 09:01:02 <koala_man> not well. when I add stuff, I have to sync right away. 30% of the time it fails, then I have to delete the item, recreate it, and try again. recently it says it's been down for maintenance all the time.
Jan 20 09:03:33 <koala_man> is there some foss server software which is supported? or some non-MfE ip based syncing method, either built-in or from a 3rd party?
Jan 20 09:07:41 <koala_man> is sync currently working for anyone with google?
Jan 20 09:13:10 <haj> gpodder... when downloading a large number of podcasts on a wifi connection it seems to make the n900 do kind of io-hugging thing... known bug?
Jan 20 09:13:40 <andre__> haj: query gpodder's bugtracker?
Jan 20 09:15:51 <jacekowski> koala_man: yes it's working with google
Jan 20 09:16:11 <jacekowski> koala_man: and there is free server software doing server side mfe as well
Jan 20 09:16:15 <jacekowski> koala_man: just google it
Jan 20 09:16:52 <thresh> is there a way to create a simple chroot using madde / sysroots etc?
Jan 20 09:17:11 <thresh> i have a fully working qemu-arm installation, that at least is capable of launching qthello via binfmt_misc entry
Jan 20 09:21:44 <koala_man> jacekowski: I tried. can you give me a hint?
Jan 20 09:25:47 <koala_man> I'll give syncevolution a go
Jan 20 09:27:41 <haj> andre__: limit_rate solved it.. ;) appeantly its not a good idea to download with +1mb/sec with gpodder..
Jan 20 09:32:40 <nidO> koala_man: erminig lets you sync google calendars fine
Jan 20 09:36:55 <thp> haj: have you set gpodder to download multiple files simultaneously?
Jan 20 09:39:39 <haj> thp: no
Jan 20 09:40:17 <haj> thp: i just set it to limit_rate = True and limit_rate_value = 200.0 .. now it works just fine, and 200kbps is good enough for me... ;)
Jan 20 09:45:04 <thp> haj: :)
Jan 20 09:45:39 <jonwil> Its looking more and more like maemo will never be able to do cell broadcast (even though the hardware and cellmo firmware are capable of it
Jan 20 09:45:44 <jonwil> :(
Jan 20 09:46:33 <trumee> haj, where do you set limit_rate?
Jan 20 09:47:01 <korhojoa> jonwil, WAIT, WHAT? We could start our own base station with just the phones?
Jan 20 09:47:07 <jacekowski> no
Jan 20 09:47:11 <jacekowski> yes
Jan 20 09:47:11 <jonwil> I mean Cell Broadcast SMS
Jan 20 09:47:20 <jacekowski> hardware is capable of doing it
Jan 20 09:47:22 <jonwil> which is a feature of the GSM standards
Jan 20 09:47:27 <jonwil> hardware can do Cell Broadcast
Jan 20 09:47:32 <haj> trumee: .config/gpodder/gpodder.conf
Jan 20 09:47:35 <jonwil> evidence from ofono says that the cell modem should be able to do it
Jan 20 09:47:36 <trumee> haj, thanks
Jan 20 09:48:47 <koala_man> nidO: does it work on the latest n900 firmware? it doesn't appear to be in extras or extras-testing
Jan 20 09:49:18 <nidO> it's in devel, but works fine
Jan 20 09:49:34 <thp> trumee: on maemo 5, you should set it when gpodder is not running - otherwise gpodder won't know about the update and could overwrite it
Jan 20 09:50:08 <trumee> thp, thanks. i did that
Jan 20 09:50:52 <trumee> thp, i usually download podcasts overnight using a script. and had to powercycle N900 in the morning
Jan 20 09:51:13 <trumee> thp, but with limitrate i wont have to powercycle i think
Jan 20 09:51:31 <reenignEesreveR> someone gave a link for compiling my source code for maemo using gcc. Could someone please share it with me again?
Jan 20 09:51:48 <jonwil> if I could just figure out some of these damn libisi functions (or had the libisi devel package) I could have CBSMS going (at least to the point where its able to pick up the incoming messages, if not actually doing something with them) inside a week
Jan 20 09:51:56 <jacekowski> reenignEesreveR: google.com
Jan 20 09:52:38 <thp> trumee: strange, i never have a problem with downloading at full speed
Jan 20 09:52:58 <trumee> thp, i dont have any issue with downloading
Jan 20 09:53:36 <trumee> thp, but the device is snappier if i powercycle. guess gpodder causes things to go into swap
Jan 20 09:54:30 <crashanddie> reenignEesreveR, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/
Jan 20 09:58:05 <reenignEesreveR> thanks crashanddie
Jan 20 09:58:16 <reenignEesreveR> btw does gcc work on the device itself?
Jan 20 09:59:26 <crashanddie> yes
Jan 20 10:00:04 <crashanddie> reenignEesreveR, though, jacekowski is right. Google does work really great for those kind of questions. http://www.google.com/search?q=n900+gcc
Jan 20 10:04:05 <_trine> whats the current kernel version
Jan 20 10:04:25 <reenignEesreveR> ok, lemme rephrase my question: has anyone here ever succesfully run gcc on n900 because i've tried the results on google and they are verrry daunting
Jan 20 10:04:32 <ZogG> lcuk, you used wrong tag
Jan 20 10:04:33 <_trine> I am on 2.6.28 here
Jan 20 10:05:15 <lcuk> ZogG, hm?
Jan 20 10:05:20 <ZogG> lcuk, change guinness to Weihenstephan
Jan 20 10:05:30 <lcuk> lol
Jan 20 10:05:41 <Sicelo> wow, gcc on N900! :D i am impressed.
Jan 20 10:05:49 <reenignEesreveR> ???
Jan 20 10:05:49 <crashanddie> reenignEesreveR, yes, no problem
Jan 20 10:06:04 <crashanddie> reenignEesreveR, just make sure you have plenty of space on the rootfs, then apt-get build-essential
Jan 20 10:06:17 <crashanddie> you may have to add the sdk repository though, don't remember
Jan 20 10:06:32 <reenignEesreveR> thanks crashanddie, i'll google the repository required
Jan 20 10:06:46 <[DrkGUNMAN-N900]> is gcc installable to chroot sdk image as well?
Jan 20 10:06:59 <crashanddie> chroot sdk image?
Jan 20 10:07:08 <crashanddie> in scratchbox?
Jan 20 10:07:38 <ZogG> lcuk twitter, i damn follow your every step
Jan 20 10:07:42 * ZogG is stalker
Jan 20 10:07:45 <[DrkGUNMAN-N900]> qole built an ext2 image a while back
Jan 20 10:07:55 <[DrkGUNMAN-N900]> i'll find the link.
Jan 20 10:10:22 <lcuk> [DrkGUNMAN-N900], "SDK" hmmm software development kit, what would that need
Jan 20 10:10:27 <lcuk> hmmm lets see, perhaps a compiler
Jan 20 10:10:39 <lcuk> nahh, I dont think gcc will work in it
Jan 20 10:10:49 * lcuk slaps you with frals' herring
Jan 20 10:11:27 <[DrkGUNMAN-N900]> http://qole.org/files/maemo-sdk-v1_2.img.ext2.lzma
Jan 20 10:11:40 <lcuk> ZogG, yes I need to try more drinks
Jan 20 10:11:57 <[DrkGUNMAN-N900]> nevermind, if it don't work it was worth a try anyway
Jan 20 10:12:06 <ZogG> i don't like dark beer
Jan 20 10:12:12 <ZogG> i like unfiltered beer
Jan 20 10:12:23 <ZogG> Weihenstephan is my favorite
Jan 20 10:12:26 <thresh> fremantle pr13 chroot, anyone? :(
Jan 20 10:12:39 <ZogG> lcuk, try goldstar, do you have goldstar?
Jan 20 10:12:57 <lcuk> ZogG, I don't know what they have, its an Irish bar though
Jan 20 10:13:25 <[DrkGUNMAN-N900]> herring aren't as effective as trout :)
Jan 20 10:15:08 <lcuk> [DrkGUNMAN-N900], and mornings without coffee are the same
Jan 20 10:15:18 <lcuk> so you are right
Jan 20 10:15:31 * lcuk puts down the herring and replaces it with a trout
Jan 20 10:16:39 <[DrkGUNMAN-N900]> that reminds me. time for a brew.. i'll put the kettle on
Jan 20 10:22:20 * alterego ponders
Jan 20 10:23:25 <alterego> I have a class which requires a QSqlDatabase taken in through its' constructor, but I don't want plugins that use its' header to have to include that dependency.
Jan 20 10:23:29 * alterego sighs
Jan 20 10:23:52 <alterego> Think I might have to factor it out and define an interface ..
Jan 20 10:25:00 <sar3th> i just reflashed my n900 (userdata and kernel), but it seems i cannot install certain apps, eg cutetube: "missing packages: libc6 (>=2.7-1)" :/
Jan 20 10:25:04 <sar3th> any ideas/suggestions?
Jan 20 10:28:54 <andre__> sar3th, default libc6 version on latest Maemo5 is 2.5.1. No idea why cutetube requires a higher version and where to get it from
Jan 20 10:31:36 <sar3th> hm :/
Jan 20 10:31:38 <RST38h> AAS is *really* desperate now: http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/12494_House_of_cards_syndrome_and_pu.php
Jan 20 10:31:47 <sar3th> there is several applications which have similar problems
Jan 20 10:31:49 <RST38h> Poor guy...
Jan 20 10:47:19 <lardman> shell script gurus present (or even those who've even seen one)?
Jan 20 10:48:09 <lardman> can I do something like: for i in 1 2 3 4 5 ; do  partition=mmcblk1p${i}
Jan 20 10:50:34 <sar3th> lardman: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/bash-for-loop/ <- i think that'll be useful :)
Jan 20 11:01:23 <SpeedEvil> lardman: yes
Jan 20 11:01:26 <SpeedEvil> but that too
Jan 20 11:06:39 <lardman> thanks chaps
Jan 20 11:09:03 <lardman> what's the easiest way of generating a <0 return code so I can test the use of $?
Jan 20 11:09:08 <jonwil> Does the n900 support system call tracing in the default kernel?
Jan 20 11:09:11 <alterego> false
Jan 20 11:09:14 <lardman> [$?] that is
Jan 20 11:09:23 <lardman> ok, thanks
Jan 20 11:09:26 <alterego> false; echo $?
Jan 20 11:09:57 <lardman> cool
Jan 20 11:10:12 * lardman tried to make his init script as robust as possible
Jan 20 11:10:22 <alterego> it's actually > 0
Jan 20 11:10:27 <alterego> But anything non 0 is false
Jan 20 11:10:36 <lardman> yeah just noticed that
Jan 20 11:10:37 <lardman> thanks
Jan 20 11:12:08 <daxt> hey lardman , how many pigs have you got in ur farm ?
Jan 20 11:12:13 <jonwil> hmmm, I doubt system call tracing would help in my case anyway :P
Jan 20 11:12:33 <lardman> daxt: none, mainly in my sandwiches
Jan 20 11:12:46 <daxt> lardman ,  not good for ur heart mate
Jan 20 11:13:34 <lardman> I prescribe bacon
Jan 20 11:13:46 <daxt> even worse
Jan 20 11:13:54 <daxt> be a vege
Jan 20 11:15:10 <lcuk> mmmm bacon
Jan 20 11:15:50 <lcuk> lardman, you don't just prescribe it, you cut it, cook it and eat it.  you would be a bad pharmacist
Jan 20 11:15:51 <lardman> :)
Jan 20 11:15:59 <lcuk> "sorry, you need bacon, but i ate it all"
Jan 20 11:16:49 <lardman> http://maemo.pastebin.com/5rZW1kH1
Jan 20 11:17:07 <lardman> why do I get the following error: ./init_stage2.sh: 32: [[: not found
Jan 20 11:17:12 <lardman> where s/32/21
Jan 20 11:20:39 <lcuk> lardman, closest to that i have used is:
Jan 20 11:20:41 <lcuk> 110 	
Jan 20 11:20:42 <lcuk>         unoptify_one "$OPT_LINK"
Jan 20 11:20:42 <lcuk> 111 	
Jan 20 11:20:42 <lcuk>         [ $? -eq 1 ] && return
Jan 20 11:23:01 <lardman> ah, sh doesn't like double [[s
Jan 20 11:26:53 <lcuk> lardman, not sure, i think with bash scripting you just add extra to be sure
Jan 20 11:31:11 <trx> is there i way i can temporarily disable Fn+Syn dialog from opening, when in my app?
Jan 20 11:32:12 <alterego> trx: you can handle the key presses exclusively.
Jan 20 11:32:32 <alterego> You need to intercept the X key event and stop it propogating to hildon though
Jan 20 11:32:51 <trx> god damn X
Jan 20 11:33:01 <trx> whatever i try to do with it
Jan 20 11:33:08 <trx> i just does nothing :/
Jan 20 11:33:18 <trx> no errors, no nothing..
Jan 20 11:33:29 <trx> it*
Jan 20 11:33:54 <trx> so via X is the only way?
Jan 20 11:34:15 <trx> i cant tell hildon to pass the event and not use it?
Jan 20 11:34:21 <DaReaper> Hey
Jan 20 11:34:48 <DaReaper> About the saturation effect of hildon-desktop , has anyone tried it out ?
Jan 20 11:36:07 <trx> DaReaper works fine
Jan 20 11:36:22 <DaReaper> okay i'll give it a try
Jan 20 11:36:25 <DaReaper> thank you
Jan 20 11:36:36 <trx> np
Jan 20 11:38:26 <lardman> hmm, annoying that I can't get adb to work under Linux
Jan 20 11:38:35 * lardman reboots to Win7 where it does work
Jan 20 11:38:37 <lardman> bbl
Jan 20 11:47:34 <KevinB> Hi guys
Jan 20 11:47:58 <KevinB> is there a way that n900 doesnt check the magnet for mmc security?
Jan 20 11:48:00 <DocScrutinizer> lardman|gone: [[ != test
Jan 20 11:50:13 <lcuk> KevinB, its not security
Jan 20 11:50:24 <lcuk> its making sure its plugged in and connected and lid closed
Jan 20 11:50:42 <lcuk> if you cannot close lid and have magnet really there, try this:
Jan 20 11:50:59 <KevinB> well, may the n900 let me take in charge that function :) ?
Jan 20 11:51:36 <lcuk> http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/magnet.png
Jan 20 11:51:50 <lcuk> (as noted: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC )
Jan 20 11:52:25 <lcuk> KevinB, meh, its wired in and set, more hassle to remove it for a specific device than to just put the back back on ;)
Jan 20 11:53:21 <KevinB> so no way to escape that, I guess. Just the magnet has gone... fridge ones aren't powerfull enough, and earbud ones are un extractable
Jan 20 11:53:45 <lcuk> where theres a will, theres a way.
Jan 20 11:54:42 <lcuk> KevinB, nothing is unextractable, we have brought back stardust and comet fragments from the cosmos and you cannot find a magnet here on earth?
Jan 20 11:55:10 <KevinB> haha, bring me a comet, yea sure there s always a way
Jan 20 11:55:13 <nomis> it probably is a rare earth magnet.
Jan 20 11:58:50 <DocScrutinizer> KevinB: get a matching magnet, or a spare battery cover
Jan 20 11:59:35 <lcuk> KevinB, you aren't by chance anywhere near the LHC are you?
Jan 20 11:59:53 <KevinB> well 4-5 hours by car
Jan 20 11:59:53 <lcuk> I hear they have some magnets lying around
Jan 20 12:00:05 <DocScrutinizer> not that small ones
Jan 20 12:00:30 <KevinB> you think some boson particules would magnetize it, and become thhe superN900 no one would ever had?
Jan 20 12:00:34 <RobbieThe1st> Ebay?
Jan 20 12:00:39 <DocScrutinizer> small powerful magnets usually can be found in HDDs
Jan 20 12:00:49 <RobbieThe1st> I'm sure you can get a magnet of any size you need
Jan 20 12:01:00 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Jan 20 12:02:16 * chem|st got an ovi drinking bottle and has no idea for what purpose the inlay is
Jan 20 12:03:32 <KevinB> Well if someone could tell Nokia I 'm okay to pay 10 bucks more for a better glue, would b great
Jan 20 12:04:29 <chem|st> KevinB: glue?
Jan 20 12:05:36 <KevinB> isnt glue that sticks the magnet
Jan 20 12:06:19 <chem|st> KevinB: didn't see anything "glued" yet
Jan 20 12:09:40 <mikki-kun> well, my magnet came of as well, but from the kickstand and now the two magnets cuddle each other all the time and can't let go of one another...
Jan 20 12:09:53 <chem|st> and is it a magnetswitch for the sd slot? thought it is optical
Jan 20 12:10:14 <chem|st> mikki-kun: was it glued in as it looks cramped to me
Jan 20 12:10:33 <mikki-kun> *checking with a magnifier*
Jan 20 12:10:45 <chem|st> a drop of glue helps anyway
Jan 20 12:12:16 <mikki-kun> it seems to use some glue
Jan 20 12:12:23 <mikki-kun> but it is also cramped in
Jan 20 12:12:29 <mikki-kun> i guess am combination of both
Jan 20 12:12:50 <mikki-kun> chem|st: iirc it is a magnetswitch
Jan 20 12:14:57 <chem|st> that makes me wonder why it came off
Jan 20 12:17:16 <mikki-kun> production errors :)
Jan 20 12:18:24 <chem|st> I should realy talk to one of the guys about a job offer (I like finnlandia)...
Jan 20 12:19:42 <fenrir> any advice on flashing N900 to its original settings
Jan 20 12:19:54 <chem|st> fenrir: linux or windows?
Jan 20 12:19:55 <fenrir> when ii am tryiing flasher i get this
Jan 20 12:20:54 <fenrir> chem|st:  win
Jan 20 12:21:41 <chem|st> fenrir: 3.1 95 98 ME NT4.1 2k xp vista 7?
Jan 20 12:22:02 <fenrir> 7
Jan 20 12:22:33 <chem|st> and what do you get?
Jan 20 12:22:34 <lardman> re
Jan 20 12:22:51 <lardman> well it didn't boot, in fact I'm doubtful it even got out of the android init.rc script
Jan 20 12:23:01 <fenrir> sec
Jan 20 12:23:07 <fenrir> http://pastebin.us/2021
Jan 20 12:24:17 <sar3th> seems your image is corrupt? :/
Jan 20 12:24:37 <fenrir> so just download the iimage again ?
Jan 20 12:25:31 <sar3th> that's what i'd try
Jan 20 12:26:13 <fenrir> and after flashiiiing it back to defaults i can run ovi suite restore to restore contacs and so o on from my backup file ?
Jan 20 12:30:28 <chem|st> fenrir: that might work... for the future... use the build-in backup tool
Jan 20 12:30:58 <fenrir> chem|st:  you mean the built in N900 backup ?
Jan 20 12:31:11 <chem|st> yes
Jan 20 12:31:19 <fenrir> ok
Jan 20 12:31:43 <chem|st> that just works but you need to copy the files by hand to your computer
Jan 20 12:32:13 * chem|st feels wierd by talking about computer as he thinks the n900 is one already
Jan 20 12:33:17 <fenrir> haha yeah
Jan 20 12:33:27 <fenrir> the battery iis crap tho
Jan 20 12:33:35 <fenrir> or well depends
Jan 20 12:34:08 <nidO> the battery life of mine randomly decided to suddenly become amazing a month or so ago, so im happy with the life of mine now \o/
Jan 20 12:34:26 <thresh> what, it lives for 5 hours instead of two now?
Jan 20 12:34:40 <chem|st> nidO: what 10h instead of 8h?
Jan 20 12:34:43 <ThreeM> die battery will need a few recharge cicles to be "good"
Jan 20 12:34:45 <nidO> no, it now manages 7 days idle, instead of 2
Jan 20 12:35:10 <chem|st> nidO: idle in terms of no wifi/gsm?
Jan 20 12:35:12 <nidO> since the day i bought it over a year ago i've generally gotten in the region of 48 hours idle/low usage out of it
Jan 20 12:35:21 <nidO> then bam, end of december, it suddenly lasts a week
Jan 20 12:35:42 <chem|st> nidO: 72h was my max yet
Jan 20 12:35:47 <nidO> chem|st: yeah, or wifi on with power saving, which has only ever made a small dent in battery life
Jan 20 12:35:50 <sar3th> nidO: i experienced the same thing. well, not as extreme though, i have now 2 days avg instead of one
Jan 20 12:36:18 <ThreeM> anyway die lifetime of the N900 is not difference from a HTC Desire (for example)
Jan 20 12:36:24 <chem|st> nidO: so no skype and no msn at your end
Jan 20 12:36:40 <nidO> chem|st: nope, nothing
Jan 20 12:37:00 <mikki-kun> how often do you clean your n900? i mean not just wash of the screen fast but really try doing it good and get as much out as possible?
Jan 20 12:37:18 <ThreeM> so any smartphoe has worse batterylifetime :)
Jan 20 12:37:36 <chem|st> nidO: that is the key, without IM you have only wifi keepalives and thats not much
Jan 20 12:38:29 <nidO> chem|st: yes I know, but the point is even without any im communications for the entire past year the device has always struggled to make it past 48 hours idle/low usage, even when its a totally clean reflash on it
Jan 20 12:38:56 <nidO> now it suddenly uses about 15% battery a day doing the same
Jan 20 12:39:39 <lcuk> nidO, so ~1 week?
Jan 20 12:39:43 <chem|st> nidO: pr1.3 put me down to about 24h now, normal day usage was like 48h, now the battery was down to 40% after 8h in day
Jan 20 12:40:00 <nidO> I just noticed it between christmas and new year, saw the battery was at 30% or so and occured to me I hadnt charged it for ages, checked battery-eye and saw that the last time id charged it was 5 days earlier
Jan 20 12:40:05 <sar3th> chem|st, that depends on your network - at university, people are too stupid to turn off UPnP, that adds a lot of traffic...in addition to that, there are "random" broadcasts coming in
Jan 20 12:40:40 <mikki-kun> and also how close you are to your wireless source :)
Jan 20 12:40:51 <sar3th> yup
Jan 20 12:41:08 <sar3th> i'm pretty happy with it though, it usually lasts longer than my friend's htc desire :D
Jan 20 12:43:10 <nidO> tbh, roll on the day when "we can increase the power output of atomic batteries enough to power cellphones" isnt "two years away" every 2 years for the past 2 decades, and actually happens
Jan 20 12:47:42 <lardman> does init having pid==1 matter at all?
Jan 20 12:48:16 <mikki-kun> i think init has always pid=1
Jan 20 12:48:42 <lardman> yeah, but what if I need to use an initramfs and can't exec the main rootfs init
Jan 20 12:50:24 <RST38h> Atomic batteries have got pretty nice power output
Jan 20 12:50:48 <RST38h> It is shielding that is causing some practical problems :)
Jan 20 12:51:37 <lardman> hmm, seems that exec might not even work in the android init.rc, that could be why it's failing
Jan 20 12:52:36 <Corsac> RST38h: especially when you put it in your trousers
Jan 20 12:53:19 <RST38h> lardman: what are you hacking? B)
Jan 20 12:53:26 <lardman> Galaxy Tab
Jan 20 12:53:30 <RST38h> ah!
Jan 20 12:53:48 <RST38h> Corsac: Well, it is likely to tear your trousers, or at least severely weight them down
Jan 20 12:53:49 <lardman> trying to pass control to Meego on a btrfs partition on the uSD card, but leaving Android intact too
Jan 20 12:54:12 <RST38h> No, your balls will not turn into little glowing pyramids
Jan 20 12:54:52 <RST38h> lardman: Can it do chroot?
Jan 20 12:55:04 <lardman> I have busybox in the initramfs
Jan 20 12:55:23 <lardman> I think switch_root is the one I need
Jan 20 12:55:38 <lardman> but I'm not certain by any stretch of the imagination
Jan 20 12:57:06 <lardman> http://forum.samdroid.net/f9/new-init-exec-import-implemented-3280/
Jan 20 12:57:20 <lardman> buggers, in their docs they talk about the exec command and then don't bother to implement it
Jan 20 12:57:55 <RST38h> Math majors!
Jan 20 12:57:56 <lardman> I need to use the Android init so I can bring up Android (well I guess I could do it all with script-tasticness, but Android init works, so I was thinking that would be easiest)
Jan 20 12:58:39 <lardman> hmm, ok, that makes me happier at least
Jan 20 12:59:15 <Ex-Opesa> I installed "kernel-power-settings" as it was intructed here http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power
Jan 20 12:59:15 * lardman is assuming that Samsung have also left out the exec functionality
Jan 20 12:59:52 <Ex-Opesa> I did the installation process through SSH and I didn't "halt" it. I used "reboot" command and now the device keeps rebooting. What to do?
Jan 20 13:02:37 <trx> where are headers for libqt situated in scratchbox?
Jan 20 13:03:20 <lardman> do you have the -dev packages installed?
Jan 20 13:04:12 <trx> well, i have headers for all libs (eg. liblocation, libconic, gtk, etc..)
Jan 20 13:04:18 <trx> so probably yes
Jan 20 13:04:42 <lardman> dpkg --listfiles then?
Jan 20 13:04:58 * lardman wonders if that switch is right
Jan 20 13:07:31 <Venemo_N900> hey
Jan 20 13:08:16 <MohammadAG> hi
Jan 20 13:08:35 <Venemo_N900> I got my laptop back
Jan 20 13:08:40 <Venemo_N900> but it isn't repaired :(
Jan 20 13:08:52 <Venemo_N900> they were unable to reproduce the issue...
Jan 20 13:08:54 <Venemo_N900> crap.
Jan 20 13:09:03 <MohammadAG> What was the issue again?
Jan 20 13:09:05 <MohammadAG> I keep forgetting
Jan 20 13:09:25 <Venemo_N900> random freezing during heavy load
Jan 20 13:09:33 <MohammadAG> oh that
Jan 20 13:09:42 <MohammadAG> send it in after a month
Jan 20 13:09:51 <MohammadAG> they'll be able to reproduce it :P
Jan 20 13:09:53 <MohammadAG> same happened to me
Jan 20 13:10:21 <MohammadAG> told them it was the GFX card, after a week they returned with an extra warranty sticker
Jan 20 13:10:46 <MohammadAG> sent it back a month later, and they said it was the card, I was like no shit
Jan 20 13:10:47 <Venemo_N900> hah.
Jan 20 13:11:14 <MohammadAG> I'd try to narrow down the problem
Jan 20 13:11:27 <Venemo_N900> I'd say, mainboard fault
Jan 20 13:11:34 <MohammadAG> see what's causing it, one of three, CPU, GFX or RAM
Jan 20 13:11:45 <MohammadAG> doubt it's that
Jan 20 13:11:47 <Venemo_N900> not ram, not gfx
Jan 20 13:11:48 <MohammadAG> do a memtest, that's RAM crossed out
Jan 20 13:11:59 <MohammadAG> sure?
Jan 20 13:12:05 <Ex-Opesa> How can I reflash n900 if it restarts after few seconds?..
Jan 20 13:12:09 <MohammadAG> run a make -j 4 :p
Jan 20 13:12:26 <MohammadAG> if it crashes, send that as a way to reproduce
Jan 20 13:12:37 <MohammadAG> Ex-Opesa, read instructions, you have to press u
Jan 20 13:12:41 <trx> lardman i guess i dont then :/
Jan 20 13:12:59 <trx> what is the package name? can i apt-get it?
Jan 20 13:13:12 <lardman> do apt-cache search qt and see what there is
Jan 20 13:13:25 <trx> ok, ty
Jan 20 13:14:04 <Ex-Opesa> MohammadAG, Those instructions are on this page? https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware
Jan 20 13:14:08 <lardman> there will be lots
Jan 20 13:14:23 <lardman> but get an idea of the root name, then do it again to get fewer random items :)
Jan 20 13:14:38 <lardman> not sure if you can use wildcards, but I think not
Jan 20 13:15:50 <trx> ill grep it (or is that even possible?)
Jan 20 13:16:25 <Ex-Opesa> Nevermind, they are there^^
Jan 20 13:16:47 <MohammadAG> yes
Jan 20 13:16:48 <nidO> huh, latest engadget rumour mill for the n9 is an atom chip
Jan 20 13:16:55 <lardman> trx: yeah you can pipe the output to grep I guess
Jan 20 13:17:05 <MohammadAG> nidO, engadget is retarded imho
Jan 20 13:17:09 <lardman> nidO: where's that one from?
Jan 20 13:17:13 <lardman> originally?
Jan 20 13:17:28 <nidO> lardman: their source is apparently prosessori, some finnish tech mag
Jan 20 13:17:36 <lardman> ok
Jan 20 13:18:02 <lardman> hmm interesting, the Samsung tarball for the Tab platform is now 10x larger than the last release
Jan 20 13:18:09 <lardman> source code that is
Jan 20 13:20:14 <lardman> hmm, still not all that full of goodies
Jan 20 13:23:45 <lardman> can one demand the source of an apache 2 licensed code?
Jan 20 13:24:34 <lardman> seems not
Jan 20 13:25:34 <lcuk> lardman, hm?
Jan 20 13:26:13 <lardman> am just wondering if I can demand that Samsung release the source for their implementation of Android init so that I can confirm that it doesn't implement the exec keyword
Jan 20 13:26:20 <lardman> and it's under an Apache 2 licence
Jan 20 13:26:35 <Jaffa> Morning (ish)
Jan 20 13:27:04 <Venemo_N900> MohammadAG: I replaced the RAM. so that's not the problem. I also ran a gfx card stress test, and that didn't reproduce the issue either
Jan 20 13:27:38 <RST38h> lardman: You can demand anything, while standing in front of an anthill
Jan 20 13:27:43 <lardman> yeah
Jan 20 13:27:46 <RST38h> lardman: The ants will not care.
Jan 20 13:28:25 <Venemo_N900> MohammadAG: however after a couple of hours of gaming or heavy development, the issue appears
Jan 20 13:28:49 <Venemo_N900> MohammadAG: and this is very bad to my Starcraft 2 statistics
Jan 20 13:36:53 <Corsac> hhmhm, rumors on moorestown-based n9
Jan 20 13:43:39 <Venemo_N900> Corsac: and you believe them?
Jan 20 13:44:18 <chem|st> Corsac: as long as there is the capacitive touchscreen there is no n9!
Jan 20 13:45:15 <Jaffa> Corsac: Nokia would be mad. There's never been a mass market - or even large niche - x86-based phone.
Jan 20 13:45:42 <chem|st> a n910 with my design would fit any community needs... but nokia wont ever listen to us in regards of device design
Jan 20 13:50:25 <Venemo_N900> chem|st: what's your design?
Jan 20 13:50:42 <SpeedEvil> Does it have a VT220 full-sized terminal on it?
Jan 20 13:51:56 <SpeedEvil> I'm not sure - apart from making the n900 lcd fill a bit more of the bezel - how it could be improved on the basic design.
Jan 20 13:52:35 <chem|st> Venemo_N900: I just put up some drawings from what input I got from community based on the n900 design, thiner but wider, ergonomical and one hand use
Jan 20 13:52:47 <chem|st> lms if I have a pic reachable
Jan 20 13:53:12 <Trewas> Jaffa: why would it matter that there has been no x86 phones before? n9 is supposed to be the first meego phone anyway, so it's not like they have to care about breaking old apps
Jan 20 13:53:20 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, make it slimmer
Jan 20 13:53:39 <MohammadAG> put a better camera sensor
Jan 20 13:53:39 <lardman> SpeedEvil: larger screen, thinner device
Jan 20 13:53:46 <lardman> better gps, add an e-compass
Jan 20 13:53:48 <Jaffa> Trewas: Because Nokia have too much riding on the first appearance of a MeeGo device to risk it on an unknown h/w architecture.
Jan 20 13:54:05 <MohammadAG> put 512MBs of RAM
Jan 20 13:54:06 <Jaffa> Trewas: Poor battery life & heat issues would reflect too badly
Jan 20 13:54:08 <MohammadAG> release with Maemo 5
Jan 20 13:54:14 <lardman> MohammadAG: or more :)
Jan 20 13:54:25 <MohammadAG> and more buttons for the love of...
Jan 20 13:54:30 <Trewas> Jaffa: intel atom unknown, really? :) but I see your point
Jan 20 13:54:39 <Jaffa> Trewas: In a phone formfactor, yes.
Jan 20 13:54:41 <Venemo_N900> chem|st: link please
Jan 20 13:54:49 <lardman> power consumption is still too poor afaiu
Jan 20 13:54:53 <Jaffa> Trewas: For Nokia, in a phone formfactor, yes.
Jan 20 13:54:55 <lardman> so I think that immediately rules it out
Jan 20 13:55:08 <SpeedEvil> lardman: I mean easily manufacturable.
Jan 20 13:55:09 <MohammadAG> 3000mAh battery would be nice
Jan 20 13:55:09 <chem|st> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1488939576329&set=o.39262975727
Jan 20 13:55:21 <SpeedEvil> lardman: I'm also wearing my electronic designers hat.
Jan 20 13:55:27 <Jaffa> MohammadAG: Not if it consumes 3A/h ;-)
Jan 20 13:55:28 <Trewas> some intel docs btw claim for new atoms "These power savings translate into >10 days of standby, up to 2 days of audio playback and 4-5 hours of browsing and video battery life" with 1500mAh battery, it does not say whether that should present only the processor/platform or a complete device
Jan 20 13:55:37 <lardman> SpeedEvil: well the chipset stuff needs to be done as they need more ram and a faster processor
Jan 20 13:55:42 <MohammadAG> Venemo_N900, http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs196.snc4/38126_1488939576329_1019137532_1448341_4484979_n.jpg
Jan 20 13:56:04 <lardman> but yeah a larger screen I guess, though they really can't compete with something which is only just a bit bigger than what they have
Jan 20 13:56:09 <SpeedEvil> lardman: more RAM is a gimme. As I understand it, it's possible to fit 512M of RAM - now - on the n900 processor.
Jan 20 13:56:14 <lardman> i.e. one that would fit in the shell
Jan 20 13:56:30 <lardman> needs a later processor too, faster
Jan 20 13:56:35 <lardman> but that would all fit
Jan 20 13:56:52 <SpeedEvil> lardman: See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhSKaUfaog4
Jan 20 13:56:59 <lardman> I think they really need to go for ~4" screen though to make the device attractive
Jan 20 13:57:06 <MohammadAG> chem|st, you need to consider that some people don't use Facebook
Jan 20 13:57:23 <lardman> SpeedEvil: wow, that's odd
Jan 20 13:57:24 <Venemo_N900> MohammadAG: it appeared correctly
Jan 20 13:57:26 <chem|st> have no pic from my followup as this one is thicker and not wide enough, I was thinking of doing a plastic protot. of it once I got a clue about it
Jan 20 13:57:29 <SpeedEvil> lardman: yeah
Jan 20 13:57:32 <Venemo_N900> chem|st: notya pwnseries lol!
Jan 20 13:57:41 <chem|st> MohammadAG: just tested the link without being logged in
Jan 20 13:57:46 <SpeedEvil> lardman: there is no fundamental reason you have to make screens rectangular - it's just a bit easier
Jan 20 13:57:56 <lardman> true
Jan 20 13:58:07 <MohammadAG> chem|st, my bad then :p
Jan 20 13:58:20 <lardman> but how much bezel is there? My N900 is winging its way to be warranty triaged
Jan 20 13:58:26 <lardman> not enough I don;t think
Jan 20 13:59:06 <SpeedEvil> lardman: there is approximately 14mm of distance between the end of the visible screen, and the end of the case, on either side
Jan 20 13:59:31 <lardman> ok, so it could have a long aspect ratio screen snuck in there
Jan 20 13:59:44 <SpeedEvil> ~1.5cm more screen is probably just about feasible
Jan 20 13:59:45 <infobot> okay, SpeedEvil
Jan 20 13:59:51 <SpeedEvil> huh?
Jan 20 13:59:51 <chem|st> 19:10 screen was my idea on screen ratio, to get a clue of the size it's drawing is on 5mm paper
Jan 20 14:00:03 <SpeedEvil> oh
Jan 20 14:00:14 <SpeedEvil> How do I tell infobot to ignore that
Jan 20 14:00:30 <chem|st> put a blank in front
Jan 20 14:00:38 <SpeedEvil> I mean to unlearn that
Jan 20 14:00:42 <SpeedEvil> meh
Jan 20 14:00:44 <chem|st> ~forget 1.5cm
Jan 20 14:00:44 <infobot> chem|st: i didn't have anything called '1.5cm' to forget
Jan 20 14:00:58 <chem|st> ~1.5cm
Jan 20 14:00:59 <SpeedEvil> ~forget 1.5cm more screen
Jan 20 14:00:59 <infobot> SpeedEvil: i forgot 1.5cm more screen
Jan 20 14:01:23 * SpeedEvil ponders bot abuse. 
Jan 20 14:01:27 <chem|st> ah the "is" is the braker
Jan 20 14:01:31 * SpeedEvil decides against it.
Jan 20 14:02:33 <chem|st> replacing the cam-slide with crystal glass is another idea
Jan 20 14:03:20 <SpeedEvil> the cam slide also stops fingerprints.
Jan 20 14:03:39 <chem|st> they are so out of focus...
Jan 20 14:03:40 <SpeedEvil> even if you replace it with sapphire, it'll still get fingerprints on it
Jan 20 14:03:55 <SpeedEvil> But they blur the image
Jan 20 14:03:59 <chem|st> so what you tell me you cannot swipe them?
Jan 20 14:04:29 <SpeedEvil> No, I tell you I don't want to look at the screen critically every time I take a photo to work out if there is a fingerprint on it
Jan 20 14:04:50 <chem|st> ok "keep cam-slide"
Jan 20 14:05:06 <lardman> hmm, just makes the device bigger and is something else to break
Jan 20 14:05:15 <lardman> I'm undecided about the need for a slider
Jan 20 14:05:17 <fenrir> what i am doing wrong http://pastebin.us/2024
Jan 20 14:05:42 <fenrir> using this guide http://mynokiablog.com/2010/01/03/how-to-hard-reset-nokia-n900/
Jan 20 14:05:46 <chem|st> that is what I tought but as I am thinking of a proper stand too there must be some space for the slide aswell
Jan 20 14:06:23 <lardman> fenrir: your N900 working?
Jan 20 14:06:40 <SpeedEvil> ~flashing
Jan 20 14:06:41 <infobot> [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Jan 20 14:07:09 <chem|st> fenrir: the device is not recognized as line 130 tells
Jan 20 14:07:11 <lardman> fenrir: shut the device down without the power lead plugged in, plug the usb cable into the PC, then into the N900
Jan 20 14:07:21 <lardman> s/power lead/power or usb
Jan 20 14:07:39 <chem|st> while holding "U" key
Jan 20 14:08:15 <Hoxzer> Anybody here has succesfully managed to get snx to work with NoMachine NX?
Jan 20 14:08:29 <lardman> no, no need to hold any keys
Jan 20 14:08:49 <lardman> all that key stuff is a pita and is not needed if you are sure the device is completely off before you being
Jan 20 14:08:52 <lardman> begin
Jan 20 14:09:06 <chem|st> ah ok never tried without...
Jan 20 14:09:07 <fenrir> lardman:   thats what i did
Jan 20 14:09:22 <fenrir> lardman:  do i need to keep u key pressed all the time
Jan 20 14:09:26 <fenrir> or just on connect
Jan 20 14:09:27 <chem|st> fenrir: are you using your fron usb or a hub?
Jan 20 14:09:28 <lardman> don';t press it at all
Jan 20 14:09:33 <fenrir> usb
Jan 20 14:09:37 <chem|st> s/fron/front/
Jan 20 14:09:37 <infobot> chem|st meant: fenrir: are you using your front usb or a hub?
Jan 20 14:09:52 <fenrir> basic laptop USB front
Jan 20 14:09:54 <fenrir> not hub
Jan 20 14:10:01 <MohammadAG> where can I buy Nokia parts?
Jan 20 14:10:07 <MohammadAG> I need the N8's bottom battery cover thingy
Jan 20 14:10:11 <chem|st> MohammadAG: which country?
Jan 20 14:10:33 * SpeedEvil stabs the concept of approved retailers for parts.
Jan 20 14:10:34 <chem|st> MohammadAG: what is thingy?
Jan 20 14:10:42 <lardman> oh you're using Windows, well what I said still holds, but I've never been able to flash using windows
Jan 20 14:11:13 <RST38h> http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/20/nokia-n9-to-bust-loose-with-meego-on-moorestown-power/
Jan 20 14:11:14 <fenrir> lardman:  so easyer to do with linux ?
Jan 20 14:11:21 <RST38h> ORLY?
Jan 20 14:11:28 <lardman> perhaps in that case holding "u" increases the timeout before the flasher is passed over and it boots, I don't know?
Jan 20 14:11:34 <lardman> fenrir: yes, works every time
Jan 20 14:11:50 <fenrir> it seems ii need to install dualboot ubuntu
Jan 20 14:11:54 <fenrir> or ubuntu live cd ?
Jan 20 14:12:15 <lardman> "By introducing another MeToo handset?" Another?!
Jan 20 14:12:16 <fenrir> i am reinstalliing device software via ovi suite now
Jan 20 14:12:23 <fenrir> will see what it does
Jan 20 14:13:01 <RST38h> lardman: Engadget.
Jan 20 14:13:12 <chem|st> MohammadAG: for the housing in complete I found one http://www.mobilephonecrazy.com/modeldetail/n8,Original_Complete_Housing_Unit.htm
Jan 20 14:13:25 <MohammadAG> http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/tuotteet/Nokia-N8-00-Spare-Parts/N8-00-BOTTOM-ASSY-DARK-GREY-255803
Jan 20 14:13:27 <chem|st> but I guess you dont need the full thing
Jan 20 14:13:38 <MohammadAG> that
Jan 20 14:13:44 <MohammadAG> but the store's closed till 31/1
Jan 20 14:15:06 <chem|st> http://www.vaivaton.com/product/1104-1-255803
Jan 20 14:15:08 <SpeedEvil> RST38h: It could make sense to go with a different processor for N9, if they assume that meego isn't going to be releasable for a year.
Jan 20 14:16:53 <Venemo_N900> N9 will run harmattan, so why would they care about MeeGo's releasability?
Jan 20 14:18:16 <SpeedEvil> Oh.
Jan 20 14:19:57 <chem|st> MohammadAG: http://www.gerry-mobilfunk.de/9992184.html
Jan 20 14:22:05 <chem|st> MohammadAG: that one ships EU only...
Jan 20 14:22:18 <RST38h> SpeedEvil: Dunno. Atom-based N9 in a few weeks sounds unlikely though.
Jan 20 14:22:33 <MohammadAG> ha
Jan 20 14:22:45 <chem|st> MohammadAG: maybe it ships when billing adress is in germany
Jan 20 14:23:00 <SpeedEvil> RST38h: highly
Jan 20 14:24:11 <chem|st> MohammadAG: should I ask them or did you find another one?
Jan 20 14:24:15 <MohammadAG> spam on meego-community ML?
Jan 20 14:24:27 <chem|st> yes "again"
Jan 20 14:26:06 <MohammadAG> chem|st, might actually just find a shop that sells it around here
Jan 20 14:27:19 <chem|st> MohammadAG: sure but it was hard enough for me to find shops like that... as this one sells all spare parts like buttons as single unit...
Jan 20 14:28:23 <chem|st> it might get interesting at the point of the cam as it is the same formfactor as the n900's but 12MP
Jan 20 14:28:38 <chem|st> a 70eur upgrade...
Jan 20 14:28:45 <Venemo_N900> MohammadAG: maybe as a European friend of yours to order what you need and then send it to you
Jan 20 14:29:03 <MohammadAG> I'm a bit pissed that the N8 is all-metal except that piece
Jan 20 14:29:19 <derf> chem|st: A higher-res sensor isn't going to be that much help... the optics will still suck.
Jan 20 14:29:41 <Venemo_N900> MohammadAG: it would be worse if it wasn't metal at all
Jan 20 14:29:43 <chem|st> derf: well build one in that size...
Jan 20 14:30:00 <yacc> derf: And I thought we've got a premium Carl Zeiss optic on our N900? *lol*
Jan 20 14:30:21 <derf> yacc: Yes, it is premium shit.
Jan 20 14:30:31 <chem|st> thats just the lens and it is still plastic crap
Jan 20 14:30:40 <MohammadAG> Venemo_N900, I'll just send it to Nokia Care
Jan 20 14:30:49 <MohammadAG> it's not my device anyway :p
Jan 20 14:30:52 <yacc> derf: Well, as I'm not a picture guy, that's not really an issue for me. (Technically my wife dislikes to be photographed ;) )
Jan 20 14:30:56 <chem|st> ;)
Jan 20 14:31:50 <derf> It's not much of an issue for me, either.
Jan 20 14:32:12 <derf> If you drop the resolution enough, the pictures are tolerably decent.
Jan 20 14:32:46 <chem|st> so must be sitting at his mailprogram waiting for tmo post reports... an 30seconds old spam report was already taken care of...
Jan 20 14:34:12 <chem|st> derf: it is a handheld so it is for snapshots... for photography I use a fullsize dslr nothing else...
Jan 20 14:34:32 <chem|st> in between is a 10MP quickcam...
Jan 20 14:35:09 <jonwil> Where would be a good place to stick my notes on reverse engineering the telephony stack for CBSMS purposes (so others who may have skills can help me fill in the blanks)?
Jan 20 14:35:19 <Ex-Opesa> I am reflashing the n900 with flasher 3.5, however the flasher's status is "Suitable USB device not found, waiting."
Jan 20 14:35:22 <yacc> So will there be harmattan for the N900?
Jan 20 14:35:22 <MohammadAG> chem|st, I saw both posts, not fast enough!
Jan 20 14:35:26 <lardman> jonwil: Maemo wiki
Jan 20 14:35:31 <MohammadAG> Harmattan? no
Jan 20 14:35:37 <chem|st> both?
Jan 20 14:35:42 <MohammadAG> MeeGo, it's already out as a developers' build
Jan 20 14:36:00 <jonwil> Where on the wiki?>
Jan 20 14:36:11 <yacc> MohammadAG, well, isn't that fragmenting a little bit the Finnish mobile world?
Jan 20 14:36:34 <MohammadAG> huh?
Jan 20 14:37:00 <chem|st> Ex-Opesa: take out the battery remove all cables, put in the battery attach usb after backcover is back on (just in case)
Jan 20 14:37:14 <Ex-Opesa>  I am reflashing the n900 with flasher 3.5, however the flasher's status is "Suitable USB device not found, waiting." Is that normal? SHouldn't there be some processing? By the way I can see a dim "usb" icon on right-top of n900.
Jan 20 14:37:45 <Venemo_N900> Ex-Opesa: see
Jan 20 14:37:50 <Venemo_N900> ~flashing
Jan 20 14:37:50 <infobot> methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Jan 20 14:38:26 <jonwil> Where on the wiki should I put these reverse engineering notes?
Jan 20 14:39:15 <Venemo_N900> jonwil: you may open your own page if you wanna
Jan 20 14:39:24 <Venemo_N900> jonwil: what notes are those?
Jan 20 14:39:55 <jonwil> I am posting notes based on my reverse engineering of the telephony stack (in order to be able to write CBSMS support)
Jan 20 14:40:05 <jonwil> so that other people can help me fill in the blanks
Jan 20 14:40:23 <Venemo_N900> jonwil: well then open a new wiki page
Jan 20 14:40:28 <Ex-Opesa> Venemo_N900: I am already reading  that webpage. I did everything through that only. My question is if "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" is normal or not and if the process is going on or not.
Jan 20 14:41:14 <Venemo_N900> Ex-Opesa: it is normal _before_ you plug in the N900. after you plugged it in, a progress display should appear
Jan 20 14:42:15 <Ex-Opesa> Venemo_N900: Ah I see. =)
Jan 20 14:42:23 <yacc> MohammadAG, well, MeeGo, Maemo and S60^3?
Jan 20 14:43:25 <yacc> MohammadAG, pundits already complain about different Android as "fragmentation", so what do you call that?
Jan 20 14:44:10 <Venemo_N900> yacc: you forgot S40
Jan 20 14:44:20 <Ex-Opesa> Venemo_N900: Its still the same. I don't know why the process is not going on further..
Jan 20 14:44:39 <Venemo_N900> Ex-Opesa: what os do you use?
Jan 20 14:45:04 <Ex-Opesa> I got windows 7.
Jan 20 14:45:13 <yacc> Venemo_N900, well, not nobody really claims that S40 is a "smartphone" OS.
Jan 20 14:45:23 <Ex-Opesa> Is that the problem? I see some issues with 64 bit on that wiki page.
Jan 20 14:45:25 <korhojoa> even my friend realizes that it's not a smartphone os
Jan 20 14:45:31 <Venemo_N900> yacc: it's not for smartphones, but it's there.
Jan 20 14:45:35 <korhojoa> he's got that c3 thing
Jan 20 14:45:40 <Venemo_N900> Ex-Opesa: people are having problems with 64-bit windows.
Jan 20 14:46:01 <Venemo_N900> Ex-Opesa: it never worked on my laptop when I run 64-bit win7
Jan 20 14:46:02 <lcuk> Venemo_N900, http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/ITP#P
Jan 20 14:46:08 <yacc> Venemo_N900, OTOH, Nokia had this tradition of splintering their OSes, if you remember, they managed also to have a S80 Symbian variant for the Communicators.
Jan 20 14:46:55 <korhojoa> Venemo_N900, actually, it works now
Jan 20 14:47:06 <korhojoa> the communicators were pretty nice actually
Jan 20 14:47:11 <Venemo_N900> hey thank you lcuk :)
Jan 20 14:47:24 <Ex-Opesa> Venemo_N900: I will restart my PC now.
Jan 20 14:47:36 <Venemo_N900> yacc: yeah. fortunately they abandoned s80 and s70
Jan 20 14:47:45 <korhojoa> what was wrong with s80?
Jan 20 14:47:50 <korhojoa> i kind of enjoyed it
Jan 20 14:47:53 <yacc> S70?
Jan 20 14:47:58 <korhojoa> the always-accessible menu was handy
Jan 20 14:48:16 <Venemo_N900> yacc: wiki(pedia) is your (girl)friend
Jan 20 14:48:21 <yacc> korhojoa, yeah, but it was frustrating that the amount of 3rd party apps was slightly lower than for S60.
Jan 20 14:48:32 <Ex-Opesa> Venemo_N900: Disabled driver checking via command line in Win7, now PC will reboot. Thanks!
Jan 20 14:48:47 <Venemo_N900> Ex-Opesa: hmm
Jan 20 14:48:55 <Venemo_N900> Ex-Opesa: it didn't work for me that way either
Jan 20 14:49:20 <Venemo_N900> lcuk: I shall give you a more recent version
Jan 20 14:49:32 <Venemo_N900> lcuk: is there an accelerometer in the idea pad?
Jan 20 14:49:32 <korhojoa> yacc, well, didn't really matter, seeing as many 3rd party apps for s60 were pure ass
Jan 20 14:49:41 <korhojoa> and almost all of the ones for s80 were good software
Jan 20 14:49:47 <lcuk> Venemo_N900, yes
Jan 20 14:49:58 <yacc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S70 <= does not mention Symbian or Nokia, ...
Jan 20 14:50:04 <Venemo_N900> lcuk: does it cooperate with Qt Mobility?
Jan 20 14:50:33 <lcuk> Venemo_N900, I don't know :) perhaps you could have a dig around and see
Jan 20 14:51:55 * lardman eats bacon roll, mmmmm
Jan 20 14:52:08 * lcuk grabs half of the bacon butty
Jan 20 14:52:21 <lardman> ]oi!
Jan 20 14:52:33 <lcuk> :P
Jan 20 14:52:42 <Venemo_N900> yacc: sorry, I mistakenly confused it with S90
Jan 20 14:52:53 <Venemo_N900> lcuk: okay.
Jan 20 14:53:28 <Venemo_N900> byebye then, I'll rejoin you from my laptop
Jan 20 14:53:28 <Ex-Opesa> Venemo_N900: Indeed it didn't work.
Jan 20 14:53:31 <yacc> S90 rings a bell, but I have trouble to figure out what used it, ...
Jan 20 14:53:56 <Venemo_N900> yacc: wikipedia Nokia 7700
Jan 20 14:54:08 <Venemo_N900> Ex-Opesa: i recommend you to try a Linux live cd
Jan 20 14:55:57 <fenrir> wtf.. "simcard missing"
Jan 20 14:56:15 <fenrir> GG nokia
Jan 20 14:56:18 <Ex-Opesa> Venemo_N900: I got Ubuntu 8.04 lying around somewhere. ^^ Lets see..
Jan 20 14:57:40 <Venemo_N900> Ex-Opesa: it is supposed to work on it
Jan 20 14:57:50 * lardman passes lcuk some tomato sauce for his stolen half baguette ;)
Jan 20 14:58:04 <lcuk> awesome, thanks lardman that will help wash it down
Jan 20 14:58:09 <lardman> hmm
Jan 20 14:58:13 * lcuk slides over a beer as a peace offering
Jan 20 14:58:19 <lardman> mmmmm, sounds good
Jan 20 14:58:21 <lardman> :)
Jan 20 14:58:22 <lcuk> i nearly wrote bear then
Jan 20 14:58:52 <lardman> that would have stopped the feud too ;)
Jan 20 14:59:02 <lcuk> haha
Jan 20 14:59:09 * lardman wonders if that's the correct spelling...
Jan 20 15:00:05 <yacc> Wonder what makes one develop a phone, sell it for a couple of days and withdraw it then, *scratch-head*
Jan 20 15:00:47 <lcuk> i filed first feature request for meego today :)
Jan 20 15:00:51 <lcuk> https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12678 enh, Undecided, ---, gavin.hindman, NEW, [FEA] BT DUN and Wifi Ad-hoc Missing from ConnMan
Jan 20 15:00:52 <povbot> Bug 12678: was not found.
Jan 20 15:01:03 <lcuk> if it can get done, meego netbook and n900 should connect better
Jan 20 15:01:04 <Jartza> S90 was a complete disaster :)
Jan 20 15:02:22 <Jartza> it could've been nice for it's time, but the code quality was too bad
Jan 20 15:06:32 <yacc> Well, the BT DUN support for N900 is somehow broken btw, Archos can tether with a yesss SIM card in an S40 device, but fails on the N900. Does not matter that much for a number of reasons but still.
Jan 20 15:08:00 <lcuk> yacc, its even more limited from meego pov since well it cannot dealio with most phones
Jan 20 15:08:59 <yacc> you mean trying to make a meego device to dial in using a phone?
Jan 20 15:10:14 <lcuk> yacc, using a meego netbook to tether using bt dun, or via other wifi adhoc does not work
Jan 20 15:10:56 <lcuk> and has been an open bug there since moblin days
Jan 20 15:15:03 <yacc> lcuk, I wonder why they designed to go from Maemo which works rather okay to MeeGo and postpone market introduction by at least a year?
Jan 20 15:16:04 <lcuk> yacc, maemo is device restricted and introspective, meego - the opposite there are porting efforts and collaborative works to run meego on a huge expanse of various kinds of devices
Jan 20 15:16:04 <SpeedEvil> because someone told the manager in question that meego would be easy
Jan 20 15:17:34 <yacc> lcuk, yeah, but makeing Maemo run on different hardware could have been an incremental development, which IMHO is much better controllable than this "let's drop it and start fresh", ...
Jan 20 15:17:56 <SpeedEvil> Especially for nokia designed hardware.
Jan 20 15:18:20 <SpeedEvil> OTOH - maybe n900 sales are holding up?
Jan 20 15:18:43 <yacc> SpeedEvil, yeah, and managers don't have to know the subject matter, they just "manage", hence a good manager for dairy produce will also make a good manager for embedded software development ;)
Jan 20 15:18:51 <lcuk> yacc who says drop everything?
Jan 20 15:18:59 <lcuk> for instance, just this week: http://blogs.gnome.org/foundation/2011/01/17/gtk-meego-handset-bidders-selected/
Jan 20 15:20:25 <yacc> lcuk, well, it communicates this way. And going from a Debian derived distribution to a scratch new one is not dropping everything, but certainly sounds similar.
Jan 20 15:20:32 <lcuk> and I was playing an excellent maemo game on my meego ideapad just a few weeks ago :)
Jan 20 15:21:46 <lcuk> anyway time to vanish for the day
Jan 20 15:21:55 <MohammadAG> can't povbot be made to differentiate between meego.com and maemo.org for bugs?
Jan 20 15:21:56 <noobmonk3y> aghhhhh just the man i need lcuky!
Jan 20 15:22:09 <MohammadAG> oh you're alive too!
Jan 20 15:22:12 <lcuk> noobmonk3y, >>> #meego
Jan 20 15:22:18 <noobmonk3y> lcuk: whats the terminal command to bring up the qt version on maemo?
Jan 20 15:22:27 <MohammadAG> sh: >>>: syntax error
Jan 20 15:22:29 <lcuk> idk
Jan 20 15:22:37 <noobmonk3y> poo
Jan 20 15:22:39 <noobmonk3y> MohammadAG: ? :)
Jan 20 15:22:44 <MohammadAG> dpkg -l libqt4-core?
Jan 20 15:22:54 <MohammadAG> I just string the libs hehe
Jan 20 15:23:35 <noobmonk3y> meh, no matching packages
Jan 20 15:23:51 <MohammadAG> o_O
Jan 20 15:23:52 <noobmonk3y> but i can't type lol
Jan 20 15:24:18 <MohammadAG> ii  libqt4-core                          4.7.0~git20100909-0maemo1+0m5        Qt 4 core module
Jan 20 15:24:41 <noobmonk3y> w00p worked fine
Jan 20 15:24:41 <noobmonk3y> ty
Jan 20 15:25:16 <MohammadAG> you should've learned this stuff by now noobmonk3y ;)
Jan 20 15:30:56 <Ex-Opesa> Venemo_N900: Thanks! It works. :)
Jan 20 15:31:14 <Ex-Opesa> Also MohammadAG, azakAllah :)
Jan 20 15:31:19 <Ex-Opesa> jazakallah*
Jan 20 15:34:39 <Venemo> hey
Jan 20 15:34:41 * Venemo is back+
Jan 20 15:34:56 <Venemo> lcuk: I've created a gitorious repo, committing now
Jan 20 15:35:14 <MohammadAG> :)
Jan 20 15:35:21 <Venemo> and I have 449 MB of OS updates :D
Jan 20 15:38:28 <jonwil>  http://wiki.maemo.org/Telephony_Stack
Jan 20 15:38:40 <jonwil> Thats the notes on the functions relavent to the CVB
Jan 20 15:38:42 <jonwil> CBSMS work
Jan 20 15:38:48 <yacc> noobmonk3y, actually it's dpkg -l packagespec | grep ^i <= dpkg shows also uninstalled packages that it knows about
Jan 20 15:39:14 <jonwil> Still a lot of unknowns
Jan 20 15:41:58 <eichi> if i charge my n900 from usb (laptop) is should be more low-current then with the power plug..isn't it?
Jan 20 15:42:30 <Venemo> eichi: I think so
Jan 20 15:42:41 <eichi> because there is no extra voltage converter
Jan 20 15:43:19 <eichi> vom 230V (germany) to something "very low"
Jan 20 15:43:23 <eichi> *from
Jan 20 15:44:06 <kerio> you sound confused
Jan 20 15:44:21 <kerio> but the reason is that usb provides .5A at most
Jan 20 15:44:27 <kerio> the wallcharger gives 1.1A
Jan 20 15:44:34 * GAN900 chuckles at Engadget.
Jan 20 15:45:08 <kerio> GAN900: ?
Jan 20 15:45:21 <GAN900> http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/20/nokia-n9-to-bust-loose-with-meego-on-moorestown-power/
Jan 20 15:45:28 <jonwil> Lets hope someone can help me fill in the blanks in my reverse engineering so that I can attempt to write a CBSMS plugin for CSD
Jan 20 15:45:32 <anidel> it's absurd :)
Jan 20 15:45:42 <anidel> I guess it's time to stop reading or caring about what they write...
Jan 20 15:45:42 <eichi> kerio: dont know, i thought, voltage transfer costs much power
Jan 20 15:45:54 <jonwil> Intel has wanted to put an x86 chip in a cellphone for ages
Jan 20 15:46:03 <lardman> jonwil: did you have a look at that Python plugin I flagged?
Jan 20 15:46:11 <kerio> eichi: ¿que?
Jan 20 15:46:23 <eichi> kerio: ?
Jan 20 15:46:23 <jonwil> I cant get idapython working
Jan 20 15:46:23 <SpeedEvil> Intel CPUs have been in cellphones before.
Jan 20 15:46:36 <lardman> jonwil: problem with free IDA?
Jan 20 15:46:37 <SpeedEvil> (though not, admittedly x86)
Jan 20 15:46:49 <jonwil> no, problem with idapython
Jan 20 15:46:52 <lardman> ok
Jan 20 15:47:08 <jonwil> and not being able to find a suitable working copy of python
Jan 20 15:47:17 <lardman> just that I need to reverse engineer the Samsung init this evening, so was hoping to use aqualung
Jan 20 15:47:26 <RST38h> GAN: An Atom in your phone! Imagine that!
Jan 20 15:48:06 <GAN900> anidel, the number of weird rumors cropping up does lend some credence to claims of multiple devices, though.
Jan 20 15:48:15 <lardman> with just the one the quantum "did I send that message while drunk or did I not" will be easier to predict
Jan 20 15:48:29 <lardman> as long as you know the temperature of your phone
Jan 20 15:48:36 <Venemo> MohammadAG: here is what I love in the RPM format
Jan 20 15:48:43 <Venemo> MohammadAG: "Presto reduced the update size by 88% (from 436 M to 56 M)."
Jan 20 15:49:00 <anidel> GAN900: true, but why should I care about a rumor (true or false) anyway?
Jan 20 15:49:21 <MohammadAG> Venemo, deb compresses too :p
Jan 20 15:49:24 <Venemo> anidel: the best reaction I've seen so far
Jan 20 15:49:29 <Venemo> MohammadAG: this is not compression
Jan 20 15:49:31 <jonwil> A lot of the reverse engineering work I did was done by reverse engineering the x86 versions of various binaries
Jan 20 15:49:38 <Venemo> MohammadAG: this is delta download
Jan 20 15:49:57 <Venemo> MohammadAG: comression is another thing :)
Jan 20 15:50:21 <lardman> jonwil: ok np
Jan 20 15:56:06 * noobmonk3y blinks
Jan 20 16:07:40 * frals trouts noobmonk3y 
Jan 20 16:07:56 * noobmonk3y salmons frals 
Jan 20 16:08:15 * MohammadAG yawns
Jan 20 16:08:28 <korhojoa_> :D
Jan 20 16:08:35 <lcuk> frals, :| i mistook your trout for a herring
Jan 20 16:08:43 * korhojoa_ strokes his bag
Jan 20 16:08:58 * MohammadAG wtfs
Jan 20 16:09:00 <korhojoa_> "that's my bag, baby"
Jan 20 16:09:24 <korhojoa_> also, i'm testing the current draw of my n900 with everything on.
Jan 20 16:09:32 <andre__> fishy.
Jan 20 16:09:40 <korhojoa_> how do i get the fmtx working at the same time as the fmrx?
Jan 20 16:09:42 <MohammadAG> does that involve you being on it?
Jan 20 16:10:04 <MohammadAG> fmtx_client -p1?
Jan 20 16:10:17 <frals> i dont think my ears are compatible with the noise cancellation on the bh 905i
Jan 20 16:10:21 <frals> terrible headache after using them all day
Jan 20 16:10:33 <frals> ... might just be for some normal reason thou
Jan 20 16:10:44 <MohammadAG> feel free to pass them over :p
Jan 20 16:10:54 <MohammadAG> how much did they cost you? I never checked prices on the i model
Jan 20 16:11:01 <frals> uh
Jan 20 16:11:09 <frals> they are about 250e in .se atleast
Jan 20 16:11:17 <MohammadAG> euros?
Jan 20 16:11:20 <frals> ye
Jan 20 16:11:21 <korhojoa_> MohammadAG: does not involve me on it
Jan 20 16:11:30 <korhojoa_> urgh, expensive
Jan 20 16:11:37 <MohammadAG> indeed
Jan 20 16:11:43 <MohammadAG> would be 500 here :p
Jan 20 16:11:49 <frals> they are excellent at cancelling out office chatter thou
Jan 20 16:11:53 <korhojoa_> i saw them for sale at verkkokauppa for 99e or something
Jan 20 16:12:08 <MohammadAG> frals, http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD800-Premier-Headphone/dp/B001OTZ8DA :p
Jan 20 16:12:20 <MohammadAG> 905i?
Jan 20 16:12:24 <MohammadAG> notice the i
Jan 20 16:12:37 <korhojoa_> i think so
Jan 20 16:12:42 <korhojoa_> some discount bin
Jan 20 16:13:02 <MohammadAG> discount on a new headset?
Jan 20 16:13:04 <MohammadAG> sounds weird :P
Jan 20 16:13:16 <korhojoa_> usually means that the customer has returned it because it didn't work with their phone or something
Jan 20 16:13:29 <MohammadAG> frals, would it cancel out noise at a construction site?
Jan 20 16:13:35 <MohammadAG> just wondering how active this ANC is
Jan 20 16:13:45 <frals> 238.90€ at verkkokauppa korhojoa_
Jan 20 16:13:57 <frals> dunno MohammadAG havent tried them outside yet
Jan 20 16:14:02 <korhojoa_> frals: i know, discount bin != retail
Jan 20 16:14:16 <frals> they kinda failed at drowning out my keyboard typing until i raised the volume ;D
Jan 20 16:14:30 <frals> but voices its scary good at
Jan 20 16:14:43 <frals> discount bin = someone had a wank on them and then returned them
Jan 20 16:14:46 <korhojoa_> how does it do that? dual microphones?
Jan 20 16:14:53 <korhojoa_> frals: entirely possible
Jan 20 16:14:55 <frals> 8 microphones it says on the box
Jan 20 16:14:57 <MohammadAG> octa I think
Jan 20 16:15:02 <MohammadAG> ^
Jan 20 16:15:02 <korhojoa_> but a little isopropanol fixes it
Jan 20 16:15:05 <korhojoa_> whoa
Jan 20 16:15:11 <MohammadAG> 2 for calls afaik
Jan 20 16:15:12 <korhojoa_> that's... insane
Jan 20 16:15:49 <MohammadAG> nah
Jan 20 16:15:50 <MohammadAG> it's very practical
Jan 20 16:15:53 <MohammadAG> 8 microphones...
Jan 20 16:16:34 <korhojoa_> "now, record your phone calls in 7.1 sound!"
Jan 20 16:16:50 <korhojoa_> DTS-HD for everyone!
Jan 20 16:17:53 <korhojoa_> actually... a compass could handle that... 7-channels would be interpolated according to the compass reading, etc.
Jan 20 16:18:40 <korhojoa_> MohammadAG: also, trying to enable the fmtx when the fmrx is on causes the fmrx to turn off
Jan 20 16:19:00 <korhojoa_> actually, it works for like a second or two, then it goes silent
Jan 20 16:19:39 <Venemo> MohammadAG: do you speak wikilanguage?
Jan 20 16:20:52 <MohammadAG> thinking of starting a new rumor about the N9; it doesn't have an ARM nor an atom, it has an i7
Jan 20 16:21:04 <korhojoa_> hahaha
Jan 20 16:21:06 <achipa> i9 !!!
Jan 20 16:21:13 <MohammadAG> Venemo, [citation needed]
Jan 20 16:21:32 <korhojoa_> elv i7 with ion 3
Jan 20 16:22:17 <Venemo> MohammadAG: no, it has a quadcore Xeon
Jan 20 16:22:39 <MohammadAG> there you have it, achipa confirms it
Jan 20 16:22:47 <MohammadAG> it's an i9
Jan 20 16:23:04 <MohammadAG> start the press!
Jan 20 16:23:15 <achipa> tweet engadget !
Jan 20 16:23:30 <Venemo> MohammadAG: no! I have a contact at Nokia and he said it's gonna be a quadcore Xeon.
Jan 20 16:23:52 <MohammadAG> Venemo, achipa has *nokia* in his hostmask :p
Jan 20 16:24:00 <kerio> a *dual* quadcore xeon
Jan 20 16:24:12 <Venemo> YES, kerio is right!
Jan 20 16:24:25 <kerio> and of course a nuclear battery to power it
Jan 20 16:24:27 <Venemo> kerio: don't forget the dual quadcore DSP either
Jan 20 16:24:32 <MohammadAG> achipa, 5.9" screen right?
Jan 20 16:24:32 <MohammadAG> full HD of course
Jan 20 16:24:47 <kerio> two screens
Jan 20 16:24:48 <kerio> on both sides
Jan 20 16:24:56 <Venemo> it is a foldable 22.5" screen.
Jan 20 16:25:00 <kerio> which support glassless 3d
Jan 20 16:25:07 <Venemo> and a holoprojector
Jan 20 16:25:09 <anidel> Venemo: Funny that I am being used as a rumour source myself! Someone on twitter: "Not true then! ♻ @anidel: omfg, stop it. The N9 does not have an Intel Atom processor."
Jan 20 16:25:13 <kerio> Venemo: of course
Jan 20 16:25:26 <Venemo> anidel: lol :D
Jan 20 16:25:27 <jonwil> Looks like libsms.so will have to be reverse engineered to figure out whats going on with cbsms
Jan 20 16:25:32 <kerio> wait, you mean *two* right?
Jan 20 16:25:42 <Venemo> kerio: yes
Jan 20 16:25:55 <yacc> Sigh, why does the N900 crash when I pull it into my LAN via a bridge on usb0, and is relatively stable when I go along with the 192.168.2 subnet? *scratch-head*
Jan 20 16:26:20 <anidel> Venemo: and I was only retweeting SimonLR tweet.. eheh
Jan 20 16:26:29 <Venemo> :D
Jan 20 16:27:50 <MohammadAG> <kerio> and of course a nuclear battery to power it
Jan 20 16:27:57 <MohammadAG> does that mean I'm not allowed to own one?
Jan 20 16:28:22 <kerio> nuclear *fusion*
Jan 20 16:28:23 <kerio> not fission
Jan 20 16:28:26 <kerio> duh
Jan 20 16:28:31 <rcg1> at least you would not be allowed to run java on it
Jan 20 16:28:38 <rcg1> scnr
Jan 20 16:29:31 <Venemo> MohammadAG: the israeli government already knows that you wanna blow 'em up, sorry.
Jan 20 16:31:10 <MohammadAG> naw
Jan 20 16:31:12 <MohammadAG> :'(
Jan 20 16:54:42 <trumee> yacc, wild guess. there was a matans patch to iphb? or something regarding NAT and reboot issues
Jan 20 16:55:04 <trumee> yacc, power kernel has that patch.
Jan 20 17:04:24 <newbie007> greetings, I have a n900. Using the internet radio feature, I sometimes get disconnected - is there a way to automatically reconnect?
Jan 20 17:10:28 <ShadowJK> I wish :(
Jan 20 17:13:51 * MohammadAG reminds ShadowJK of FOSS mediaplayer
Jan 20 17:14:31 <ShadowJK> I wonder if it's a bug in the media player or in mafw or in gstreamer
Jan 20 17:15:09 <MohammadAG> second two are open, first one's being rewritten, why worry about it :p
Jan 20 17:17:01 <ShadowJK> in tcpdump it looks like n900 side closes the connection, but I'm not sure why
Jan 20 17:17:05 <newbie007> vlc would be nice
Jan 20 17:17:27 <ShadowJK> and it happens more often i high-jitter latency environments
Jan 20 17:17:37 <newbie007> I assume the disconnect is a wireless bad connection on my end
Jan 20 17:17:46 <newbie007> sometimes it works great
Jan 20 17:17:47 <ShadowJK> but still, n900 initiates the teardown of the tcp session..
Jan 20 17:18:13 <Venemo> lcuk, thank you for your assistance :)
Jan 20 17:18:19 <ShadowJK> i bet it's something silly
Jan 20 17:18:36 <ShadowJK> like EAGAIN getting treated as an error condition
Jan 20 17:18:36 <Venemo> I'm going to play an insane amount of SC2 now that my exams are over
Jan 20 17:18:40 <Venemo> bye guys :)
Jan 20 17:30:33 <Gyjf> how do i see/change the keyboard setting for text messages?
Jan 20 17:31:50 <fenrir> settings -> text input ?
Jan 20 17:34:01 <Gyjf> dont have that
Jan 20 17:34:50 <Gyjf> ah found it
Jan 20 18:11:38 <voldern> Hi. I've made /dev/mmcblk0p1 into a truecrypt volum that I mount everytime i reboot the device. Inside this partition I've moved my users folder and I'm mounting it to the right path using --bind. Inside the truecrypt volume I've also got an image file that is vfat partitioned and that I mount to /home/user/MyDocs. The problem is that the image partition won't show up when i plug the device into USB and use mass-storage mode
Jan 20 18:12:11 <voldern> I've check using lsof that nothing is holding the file, preventing it from getting unmounted
Jan 20 18:12:24 <voldern> It's mounted like this: /dev/loop1 on /mnt/crypt/user/MyDocs type vfat (noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fsk=0133,rodir)
Jan 20 18:16:49 <korhojoa> voldern, i think that's because over usb, it mounts the emmc directly or something?
Jan 20 18:17:39 <voldern> korhojoa: Hmm, that could be. Is the partition that it mounts over usb specified somewhere that you know about?
Jan 20 18:18:07 <ShadowJK> Yeah the usb-mass-storage script tries to offer mmcblk0p1 over usb (after trying to umount it first)
Jan 20 18:18:20 <korhojoa> ShadowJK, that's what i expected
Jan 20 18:18:42 <korhojoa> voldern, well, try mounting what's shown to you with truecrypt?
Jan 20 18:19:14 <ShadowJK> i think it's even called usb-massstorage.sh or something like that
Jan 20 18:19:23 <korhojoa> massstorage?
Jan 20 18:21:05 <voldern> think i found the files: /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage*.sh
Jan 20 18:21:13 <voldern> thnx guys :)
Jan 20 18:21:17 <korhojoa> no prahblem
Jan 20 18:24:36 <MohammadAG> ke-recv sends the mmcblk0p1 part afaik
Jan 20 18:29:34 <ds3> 7
Jan 20 18:34:16 <RST38h> moo?
Jan 20 18:37:17 <voldern> MohammadAG: Yeah, looks like. I'll have to digg into the source of it sometime to find out how to fix it
Jan 20 18:38:01 <MohammadAG> what's broken in it?
Jan 20 18:40:28 <voldern> MohammadAG: I need it to mount/umount MyDocs from another partition then /dev/mmcblk0p1 in a way that also works with usb mass-storage
Jan 20 18:43:26 <ShadowJK> in Nokia-MeeGo-(Harmattan?) there'll allegedly be encryption ;p
Jan 20 18:44:01 <ShadowJK> but only with the DRM enabled, with the official kernel, and incompatible with truecrypt and other solutions presumably :)
Jan 20 18:52:08 <MohammadAG> alterego, http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/The_Quick_Competition_2011Q1
Jan 20 18:53:15 <MohammadAG> you app MUST work on a Symbian^3 device  <-- what if I don't have a S^3 device to test lol
Jan 20 18:54:25 <Trestry> Does anyone know where to get standard maemo apps like mount?
Jan 20 18:56:19 <MohammadAG> ?
Jan 20 18:56:20 <MohammadAG> mount is part of busybox
Jan 20 18:58:13 <Trestry> I've installed the sdk version, with dpkg -i --force-
Jan 20 19:01:36 <RST38h> Mohammad: N. Thou shalt not participate in rat races.
Jan 20 19:09:48 <perolsen> is it possible to create a image for emmc (/dev/mmcblk0) with several partitions which can be flashed with flasher? Does the flasher just write the image to the emmc like "dd" would (including partition table)?
Jan 20 19:09:55 <Trestry> Reinstalled busybox and everything seems to be fine, thanks!
Jan 20 19:12:06 <jacekowski> it does
Jan 20 19:12:07 <jacekowski> sort of
Jan 20 19:12:16 <jacekowski> perolsen: you can modify emmc image
Jan 20 19:12:19 <jacekowski> perolsen: if you know how
Jan 20 19:12:33 <perolsen> mount loop
Jan 20 19:12:41 <perolsen> so how is it written+
Jan 20 19:13:34 <jacekowski> nope
Jan 20 19:13:38 <jacekowski> look at the file
Jan 20 19:13:41 <jacekowski> and you will see
Jan 20 19:14:17 <perolsen> file says: fat. meaning it's a fat file system image
Jan 20 19:14:37 <perolsen> including boot sector
Jan 20 19:15:54 <johnsq> Hi
Jan 20 19:18:29 <perolsen> so the image isn't a "disk" image, only the image of one partition. I'll try to add a partition table in the beginning
Jan 20 19:19:31 <jacekowski> it is flasher special format
Jan 20 19:19:47 <jacekowski> so file is wrong
Jan 20 19:20:34 <jacekowski> open it with hex editor
Jan 20 19:20:36 <jacekowski> and you will see
Jan 20 19:21:06 <perolsen> it's the "mmc" file unpacked, right?
Jan 20 19:21:27 <jacekowski> yes
Jan 20 19:22:02 <jacekowski> but i'm not talking about this one
Jan 20 19:22:06 <jacekowski> RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin
Jan 20 19:22:11 <jacekowski> i'm talking about this one
Jan 20 19:22:41 <perolsen> :-)
Jan 20 19:25:11 <perolsen> allright. Got it. prefix = mydocs, prefix = home, etc..
Jan 20 19:25:50 <perolsen> great that Nokia used a text block to define this
Jan 20 19:27:10 <perolsen> thanks for the pointer
Jan 20 19:43:18 <nox-> moin
Jan 20 19:45:15 <ZogG> yo doggs
Jan 20 19:45:44 <ZogG> MohammadAG, Jaffa DocScrutinizer crashanddie have you seen quitIM portrait keyboard?
Jan 20 19:46:58 <DocScrutinizer> no
Jan 20 19:50:27 <chx> ZogG: you mean perhaps qutIM ?
Jan 20 19:54:01 <ZogG> chx exactly
Jan 20 19:54:32 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer looks pretty good, the question how is it possible to integrate into ukeyboard for portrait mode
Jan 20 19:55:00 <ZogG> http://habrastorage.org/storage/5bf803a4/ee0c23fa/e4073d5c/83ce16ca.png
Jan 20 19:55:09 <Jaffa> ZogG: No
Jan 20 19:55:13 <Jaffa> (not seen)
Jan 20 19:55:44 <ZogG> ^
Jan 20 19:57:01 <RST38h> OMG a portrait keyboard!!!
Jan 20 19:58:15 <D-Iivil> _o/
Jan 20 19:58:38 <D-Iivil> What's up here?
Jan 20 20:01:31 <ZogG> RST38h it looks good =( don't laught at me =(
Jan 20 20:02:19 <RST38h> OMG kittens!!!
Jan 20 20:02:35 <ZogG> ~nuke RST38h
Jan 20 20:02:36 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at RST38h ... B☢☢M!
Jan 20 20:11:35 <chx> why is a portrait keyboard such a big deal? it's ... not a phsyical keyboard.
Jan 20 20:13:29 <microlith> it can be used with a thumb
Jan 20 20:14:17 <MohammadAG> achipa, should Qt fixes be in the SSU?
Jan 20 20:14:28 <MohammadAG> I pushed a patch upstream today
Jan 20 20:19:38 <achipa> MohammadAG: define Qt fixes
Jan 20 20:20:30 <achipa> if you mean the bearer and compat stuff, yes, as for upstream, that's trickier
Jan 20 20:20:57 <achipa> we can of course build whatever we want, but I'm not so sure about the newer Qt versions
Jan 20 20:21:41 <achipa> (as in, we should really check them as I have the feeling that after 4.7.0 not much regression testing has been done on the Maemo side - I might be wrong, tho)
Jan 20 20:22:26 <MohammadAG> same 4.7 on maemo, with a patch applied
Jan 20 20:23:07 <MohammadAG> so shouldn't break compatibility and such
Jan 20 20:34:41 <eichi> does the sms widget counter work on someones n900? how to get output of a widget for debugging?
Jan 20 20:43:51 <eichi> if i do "remove conversations", are all sms and logs gone or just in this windows? my problem is, that my conversations widget dont shows only new one. it shows, that i have hundreds of conversations
Jan 20 20:46:06 <andre__> what is "dont shows only new one"?
Jan 20 20:46:32 <andre__> as far as I remember they are just removed from the view, but not deleted from the database.
Jan 20 20:46:48 <eichi> okay, i will try
Jan 20 20:47:05 <andre__> whatever you mean by that....
Jan 20 20:47:43 <eichi> pressing "remove conversation" and show, if log is there after that
Jan 20 20:47:50 <eichi> backup before, i will see
Jan 20 20:51:33 <eichi> hm, seems to delete all the logs
Jan 20 20:51:41 <ShadowJK> andre__, re bug 11798, I think supld/supllistenerd contains the thing that actually talks to servers..
Jan 20 20:51:43 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11798 agps no longer works due to server changes
Jan 20 20:52:13 <andre__> ShadowJK, feel free to add a comment, but I don't expect Nokia to really care anyway...
Jan 20 20:52:46 <ShadowJK> I notice supld comes with its own security certificates..
Jan 20 20:53:03 <andre__> hah.
Jan 20 20:53:47 <ShadowJK> It'd probably be pretty easy for someone familiar with debian packaging to make a tiny installable app to override all requests to that one remaining working server
Jan 20 20:53:56 <ShadowJK> But then maybe that one goes away or stops working too :)
Jan 20 20:54:05 <andre__> "suddenly". ;-)
Jan 20 20:54:33 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, titan needs to add both flags I mentioned
Jan 20 20:54:46 <MohammadAG> that way, KP cannot be uninstalled from HAM
Jan 20 20:54:57 <MohammadAG> I'm pretty sure that user got his device bricked cause of fapman
Jan 20 20:55:07 <MohammadAG> fapman has apt-get autoremove ticked by default
Jan 20 20:56:09 <summel> :O i cant get the iSync plugin to work, but i know it did work before
Jan 20 20:56:13 <MohammadAG> shouldn't worry about it, not our fault
Jan 20 20:56:21 <summel> and i need it since the n900 does not support caldav -_-
Jan 20 20:58:07 <yacc> ShadowJK, so what's wrong by adding the agps server to /etc/hosts and pointing it to a working server?
Jan 20 20:58:25 <summel> iSync always says "iSync cannot connect to this device." :(
Jan 20 20:58:51 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: I still think hostmode GUI should NOT rdepend on any kernel feature. We got runtime check for that, and basically hostmode GUI is installable and "works" (as in without segfault) even on stock kernel
Jan 20 20:59:08 <ShadowJK> yacc, yeah someone with deb packaging skills could make a deb that does "echo working.server.ip supld.nokia.com >>/etc/hosts" on install, and sed remove it on uninstall, as a bugfix .deb :P
Jan 20 20:59:44 <yacc> ShadowJK, well, if you worry that it will overload the remaining servers make the people do it manually ;)
Jan 20 21:00:18 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, with the current community, that = more posts about "Incompatible kernel, I reflashed and it didn't work!!1"
Jan 20 21:00:40 <DocScrutinizer> ehh?
Jan 20 21:01:03 <MohammadAG> we'll have more problems with users asking why it doesn't work as is
Jan 20 21:01:13 <DocScrutinizer> GUI is clearly stating "found incompatible kernel API! you are supposed to install power-kernel"
Jan 20 21:01:21 <yacc> MohammadAG, are you complaining that there are a couple of users that cannot configure a network interface with ifconfig or ip commands?
Jan 20 21:01:32 <MohammadAG> we could supply a .install file...
Jan 20 21:01:35 <MohammadAG> yacc, uh, no
Jan 20 21:01:49 <yacc> MohammadAG, as in Linux oldtimers?
Jan 20 21:01:50 <ShadowJK> No I worry that since the last working server seems to be in the US, and nokia has a general tendency of forgetting that the US exists, they might just have forgotten to upgrade that server, and will upgrade it eventually and stuff goes back to not working. I thought that since Nokia has been talking about Location for a couple of years now, they might wanna know when they break things, so that they can eventually get away from that general user perceptio
Jan 20 21:01:56 <ShadowJK> n that GPS doesn't work reliably on Nokias :P a heads-up :P
Jan 20 21:02:07 <MohammadAG> yacc, no, I mean Symbian old timers
Jan 20 21:03:01 <eichi> its a strange conversations concept, it conversations only show the "active ones" and if you delete it, there is no log anymore
Jan 20 21:03:06 <yacc> MohammadAG, Yeah, Symbian old timers might have a good overlap with people that cannot configure an interface manually, or explain the relationship of ip address netmask and broadcast address ;)
Jan 20 21:03:09 <eichi> *if
Jan 20 21:03:33 <yacc> ShadowJK, well, agps seems to work reliably enough here in Austria.
Jan 20 21:03:55 <ShadowJK> It's apaprently geodns based now, so it depends on where you are whether you get a working server or not
Jan 20 21:04:56 <yacc> ShadowJK, well, this bug applies only to N810, right=
Jan 20 21:05:17 <ShadowJK> It doesn't affect N900, no
Jan 20 21:05:22 <yacc> Because the IP address that is mentioned in the ticket is where I'm resolving the address too, and the server works well enough for me.
Jan 20 21:05:52 <ShadowJK> I haven't tested my symbian devices, but the troubleshooting features on symbian are nonexisting anyway
Jan 20 21:06:02 <yacc> ShadowJK, is the protocol these servers talk documented?
Jan 20 21:06:17 <yacc> ShadowJK, lol, almost as bad as on an unrooted Android
Jan 20 21:06:36 <ShadowJK> I don't know, but it starts with SSL/TLS anyway...
Jan 20 21:06:52 <yacc> ShadowJK, is the binary statically linked?
Jan 20 21:07:06 <ShadowJK> i don't think so
Jan 20 21:07:46 <yacc> LD_PRELOAD with a library that happens to define SSL_write and SSL_read is your friend then, ...
Jan 20 21:08:09 <ShadowJK> I think modifying /etc/hosts is my friends
Jan 20 21:08:26 <yacc> ShadowJK, if you want to fix it by pointing to a working server yes.
Jan 20 21:08:35 <ShadowJK> and other users will continue powercycling their devices hoping to get it to work before getting out their TomTom again :P
Jan 20 21:08:43 <yacc> ShadowJK, if you want to intercept the traffic, LD_PRELOAD allows you to see the clear text.
Jan 20 21:09:32 <yacc> Wonder if there is an app to export the N900 keyboard as a bluetooth HID device to another host?
Jan 20 21:09:56 <yacc> There seems to be an app that allows the N900 to be used a freehand speaker for other phones, ...
Jan 20 21:10:36 <auenf> bluemaemo?
Jan 20 21:10:41 <summel> :S is there a way to add a shortcut to a website to the desktop without having a giant screenshot of it there? i want just the favicon or something :/
Jan 20 21:12:30 <MrBawb> oh hey, bluemaemo is something I've been looking for
Jan 20 21:14:41 <yacc> Wow, that's a really crazy thing, abusing the N900 as a keyboard for the Archos, ...
Jan 20 21:15:11 <yacc> Now I just need to get BT PAN to work on the N900 and I don't need to carry that 6288 around with me as Archos tethering device, ...
Jan 20 21:15:39 <MrBawb> yacc: where are you stuck with bt pan?
Jan 20 21:16:24 <yacc> MrBawb, well, I have no place to hook into so something (like a script that starts dnsmasq on the interface) gets run when bnep0 shows up.
Jan 20 21:16:40 <nid0> summel: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=703801&postcount=36
Jan 20 21:16:44 <MrBawb> yacc: you can do that with dbus-scripts
Jan 20 21:16:55 <yacc> MrBawb, how?
Jan 20 21:17:30 <summel> nid0: no
Jan 20 21:17:36 <summel> i dont want to change the icon size
Jan 20 21:17:52 <summel> i want to change the size of the shortcut to a website on the desktop
Jan 20 21:17:57 <summel> or replace it with an icon
Jan 20 21:18:02 <summel> because its a webapp
Jan 20 21:18:10 <summel> and i dont want a huge screenshot there
Jan 20 21:18:16 <summel> :D
Jan 20 21:18:21 <MrBawb> yacc: org.freedesktop.Hal.Manager DeviceAdded /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/net_x_x_x_x
Jan 20 21:18:30 <MrBawb> where the x_x_x's are the mac from "hcitool dev"
Jan 20 21:19:17 <yacc> Nice idea, that leaves the question of how to setup dnsmasq correctly so it can handle a new interface showing up correctly, but that's a more common case thing.
Jan 20 21:19:21 <MrBawb> yacc: http://dan.drown.org/pan/ < what I use to share 3g
Jan 20 21:19:29 <MrBawb> but it's geared for ipv6 3g
Jan 20 21:19:38 <yacc> MrBawb, /etc/network/interfaces gets ignored completely :(
Jan 20 21:19:43 <MrBawb> yeah
Jan 20 21:19:57 <MrBawb> I think that was all disabled to use icd
Jan 20 21:21:10 <yacc> MrBawb, well it works for usb0 which is a completely dynamic device too.
Jan 20 21:21:28 <MrBawb> ah
Jan 20 21:21:33 <MrBawb> I wonder whats different then
Jan 20 21:21:40 <yacc> Anyway, does a stock N900 run dnsmasq or do I have "collected" it from some 3rd party deb?
Jan 20 21:22:03 <MrBawb> the n900 includes dnsmasq and runs it by default as a local dns cache
Jan 20 21:22:18 <MrBawb> you can run another copy to have it be a dhcp server
Jan 20 21:22:23 <yacc> MrBawb, googling around I seem to remember that I've seen some old bug reports mentioning a similar behaviour, ...
Jan 20 21:22:30 <MrBawb> (the script on my site runs dnscache)
Jan 20 21:22:59 <yacc> MrBawb, nope: /usr/sbin/dnsmasq -i $INTERFACE \
Jan 20 21:23:11 <MrBawb> heh
Jan 20 21:23:16 <MrBawb> I said dnscache and ment dnsmasq
Jan 20 21:24:04 <yacc> extras-devel has no package radvd?
Jan 20 21:24:11 <MrBawb> nope
Jan 20 21:24:20 <MrBawb> I have a copy built
Jan 20 21:24:51 <MrBawb> http://code.google.com/p/n900ipv6/downloads/list
Jan 20 21:25:00 <yacc> So it's a ipv6 specific thing, right?
Jan 20 21:25:06 <yacc> ;)
Jan 20 21:25:07 <MrBawb> radvd is only needed for ipv6
Jan 20 21:25:23 <MrBawb> it's for ipv6 autoconfiguration
Jan 20 21:25:26 <yacc> of no interest, considering the level of connectivity one gets here while mobile, ...
Jan 20 21:25:47 <MrBawb> only useful if you have an ipv6 3g connection
Jan 20 21:26:11 <nid0> summel: im not sure I get you, you just want the screenshot replaced with a favicon or something, but with the icon itself just as giant as it currently is?
Jan 20 21:26:18 <yacc> IPv4 NATed usually, with all kinds of transparent proxies (which even the 2nd level techs in the callcenter do not know about), blocked ports, ...
Jan 20 21:26:40 <nid0> summel: if so, you can just write yourself a .desktop file with the link and icon you want
Jan 20 21:26:54 <summel> nid0: no i also want it smaller but the "normal" shortcuts i want too keep the size they are
Jan 20 21:26:57 <summel> :o
Jan 20 21:26:59 <summel> i try that
Jan 20 21:27:07 <yacc> MrBawb, half a decade as a road warrier in a number of european countries made me see, well, almost any thinkable sickness, network wise :(
Jan 20 21:27:28 <achipa> MohammadAG: back... anyway, if upstream accepts it, I have no qualm in having it in the CSSU, if they don't, well, then we need a bit more extensive testing but still might be acceptable (depends obviously on what exactly and how does it fix)
Jan 20 21:27:29 <MrBawb> yacc: yeah, mobile providers seem to be the worst at that
Jan 20 21:27:30 <yacc> nid0, which directory has the desktop files?
Jan 20 21:27:57 <nid0> /usr/share/applications/hildon afaik
Jan 20 21:28:03 <MohammadAG> achipa, it's a simple overlook by the Qt guys, the fix is like 3 lines
Jan 20 21:28:05 <pahartik> MrBawb: I took "radvd" binary from Debian... It is useful with IPv6 tunnel and subnet on mobile network
Jan 20 21:28:15 <yacc> MrBawb, yeah, the funny part is that at least from Orange AT I've even managed to get a highlevel tech callback after some weeks, because the guy wondered how I managed to even detect their proxy, ...
Jan 20 21:28:24 <MohammadAG> achipa, http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/x11-maemo/merge_requests/5
Jan 20 21:28:25 <MrBawb> pahartik: yeah, that radvd is just the Debian package rebuilt
Jan 20 21:28:39 <summel> but the iSync plugin still does not work ;_;
Jan 20 21:28:46 <MohammadAG> notice the the theme vs theme-portrait
Jan 20 21:29:00 <MohammadAG> without it, a segfault occurs on all applications
Jan 20 21:29:02 <yacc> (stupid guy, svn uses some non-default http verbs. so if you want a transparent proxy, you need to allow all verbs to pass through without problems, ...)
Jan 20 21:30:16 <achipa> MohammadAG: yep, looks OK to me (I'm no authority tho), and not segfaulting can't be bad, right ? :)
Jan 20 21:30:28 <yacc> nid0, even the user created ones?
Jan 20 21:31:15 <MohammadAG> achipa, indeed, with this, I can flip control panel to portrait and still not break Qt applets
Jan 20 21:31:25 <yacc> MrBawb, what exactly does pc-connectivity-manager provide?
Jan 20 21:31:34 <nid0> yacc: thats where you should put em, when I manually created a couple of links I just copied+renamed the ovi link in that folder and altered it
Jan 20 21:33:14 <MohammadAG> achipa, do you have any idea if that repo is looked at btw? :)
Jan 20 21:33:34 <MrBawb> yacc: it enables the PAN profile in bluez
Jan 20 21:34:18 <MrBawb> it also adds a control panel, which talks about running dhcp on bluetooth
Jan 20 21:34:21 <achipa> MohammadAG: doesn't seem so, last activity Nov 12 :(
Jan 20 21:35:01 <MohammadAG> achipa, can you poke the right people?
Jan 20 21:35:26 <achipa> will do - if not, I'll at least get the correct repo
Jan 20 21:36:52 <yacc> MrBawb, ?
Jan 20 21:37:19 <yacc> MrBawb, seems like one can enable PAN without it, ...
Jan 20 21:37:27 <MrBawb> yacc: that they can
Jan 20 21:37:57 <MrBawb> but I figured it's probably easier for the random person to install pc-connectivity-manager rather than editing the bluez config file
Jan 20 21:38:03 <yacc> MrBawb, because I'm getting a bnep0 device without having any deb matching pc-con* installed
Jan 20 21:38:21 <yacc> MrBawb, spoilsport :-P
Jan 20 21:38:26 <MrBawb> :)
Jan 20 21:38:55 <yacc> MrBawb, you are killing the joy of playing an advanced text adventure game "configuring bluetooth on Linux".
Jan 20 21:39:08 <MrBawb> /etc/bluetooth/main.conf has "DisablePlugins = network" by default
Jan 20 21:39:23 <yacc> MrBawb, I know, and you can remove that and bnep0 shows up :)
Jan 20 21:39:34 * MohammadAG misses the December days
Jan 20 21:39:55 <MohammadAG> maemo had more hackers when I got the device
Jan 20 21:40:09 <yacc> MrBawb, starting with a couple of different userland stacks over the years, crazy configuration not meant to be used by people not running anything but Gnome or KDE, ...
Jan 20 21:41:25 <yacc> MrBawb, I mean this replacing the complete user stack from time to time, makes the game playable multiple times, with no danger to make it boring because you know from last time how to solve some riddles, ...
Jan 20 21:42:37 <makulkar> when i compile and copy a exe to device, and try to run it from device terminal, it says "file not found!"
Jan 20 21:42:54 <yacc> makulkar, to which directory are you copying it?
Jan 20 21:42:55 <MohammadAG> exe?
Jan 20 21:43:07 <MohammadAG> as in - windows exe?
Jan 20 21:43:23 * yacc thinks about the fact that PATH by default has no . entry, ...
Jan 20 21:43:28 <rm_work> maemo had a ton of hackers back when i started... when the newest thing was the n800, and the n810 was ABOUT to come out...
Jan 20 21:43:39 <makulkar> MohammadAG, nope :) sample qt app
Jan 20 21:43:49 <MohammadAG> using ./?
Jan 20 21:43:50 <yacc> makulkar, compiled to ARM?
Jan 20 21:43:58 <makulkar> MohammadAG, built in scratbox arm7 target
Jan 20 21:44:11 <MohammadAG> I didn't ask that, yacc did :p
Jan 20 21:44:17 <DocScrutinizer> makulkar: use FQN to invoke your executable
Jan 20 21:44:20 <MohammadAG> how are you running it
Jan 20 21:44:31 <DocScrutinizer> makulkar: or place it somewhere into $PATH
Jan 20 21:44:49 <makulkar> MohammadAG, login to device, cd /usr/bin, ./exe
Jan 20 21:44:54 <DocScrutinizer> makulkar: chmod a+x <your_executable>
Jan 20 21:44:59 <makulkar> DocScrutinizer, did that
Jan 20 21:45:05 <MohammadAG> and it's in /usr/bin?
Jan 20 21:45:25 <DocScrutinizer> maybe it's a x86 ELF?
Jan 20 21:45:26 <summel> nid0: it worked, ty <3
Jan 20 21:45:26 <makulkar> RM680-03-4_RD_001:/usr/bin# ./classwizard
Jan 20 21:45:26 <makulkar> -sh: ./classwizard: not found
Jan 20 21:45:26 <makulkar> RM680-03-4_RD_001:/usr/bin#
Jan 20 21:45:36 <MohammadAG> file classwizard
Jan 20 21:45:41 <makulkar> DocScrutinizer, how do i check that?
Jan 20 21:45:44 <MohammadAG> RM680?
Jan 20 21:45:44 <lardman|home> perhaps you chaps will know - could one start init from another process, so it won't have pid==1 and everything still work?
Jan 20 21:45:52 <DocScrutinizer> RM&=??? :-o
Jan 20 21:45:53 * javispedro chuckles
Jan 20 21:45:55 <makulkar> MohammadAG, thats the device name.
Jan 20 21:45:56 <MohammadAG> so either the N9 exists
Jan 20 21:45:59 <MrBawb> lardman|home: pid 1 is special
Jan 20 21:45:59 <DocScrutinizer> rm680 even
Jan 20 21:46:01 <MohammadAG> or someone's playing with /etc/hostname
Jan 20 21:46:07 <lardman|home> MrBawb: I know
Jan 20 21:46:18 <MohammadAG> nokia hostmask
Jan 20 21:46:22 <MohammadAG> N9 confirmed
Jan 20 21:46:22 <lardman|home> MrBawb: But does it matter?
Jan 20 21:46:24 <MohammadAG> :)
Jan 20 21:46:26 <MohammadAG> anyway
Jan 20 21:46:29 <DocScrutinizer> makulkar: file <FQN-of-binary>
Jan 20 21:46:33 <MohammadAG> makulkar, file classwizard
Jan 20 21:46:34 <MrBawb> lardman|home: yeah, the kernel freaks out if pid 1 dies
Jan 20 21:47:00 <lardman|home> hmm, shame
Jan 20 21:47:17 <javispedro> lardman|home: what has poor init did to you? :)
Jan 20 21:47:18 <lardman|home> though pid 1 can still live and just not be the init for the active rootfs
Jan 20 21:47:29 <makulkar> DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG, compared the output with a exe working fine on device, one says stripped and other one not
Jan 20 21:47:32 <lardman|home> javispedro: trying to boot from an Android init
Jan 20 21:47:42 <MohammadAG> yes, but does it say ARM?
Jan 20 21:47:57 <makulkar> yes
Jan 20 21:48:10 <javispedro> lardman|home: hm... unless you can convince it to exec() some other binary of your choice...
Jan 20 21:48:20 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
Jan 20 21:48:26 <MohammadAG> hmm indeed
Jan 20 21:48:39 <DocScrutinizer> makulkar: please do ``which classwizard''
Jan 20 21:48:40 <MohammadAG> I'd ask for /proc/cpuinfo but... I'm sure it's an ARM...
Jan 20 21:48:47 <lardman|home> yeah that's the problem, the android init language should support init, but apparently Samsung decided to ignore than bit
Jan 20 21:48:54 <lardman|home> s/init/exec
Jan 20 21:49:01 <makulkar> its in /usr/bin/
Jan 20 21:49:02 <DocScrutinizer> makulkar: please do and post result here: ``ls -l ./classwizard''
Jan 20 21:49:14 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: MohammadAG: you might also get this message if libs do not exist, at least on messybox.
Jan 20 21:49:26 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Jan 20 21:49:33 <makulkar> DocScrutinizer, it has executable right.
Jan 20 21:50:07 <makulkar> javispedro, yes, thats what i suspected, how do  i check for dependency of a exe on the phone
Jan 20 21:50:15 <lardman|home> in any case the Android impl only allows an exec'd binary to run for 60s
Jan 20 21:50:18 <MohammadAG> ldd classwizard
Jan 20 21:50:24 <javispedro> makulkar: "ldd <exename>" might work
Jan 20 21:50:28 <MohammadAG> should show linked libraries
Jan 20 21:50:42 <lardman|home> what's all the excitement about?
Jan 20 21:50:42 <DocScrutinizer> makulkar: see javispedro's comment. It might got linked against libXY.so that's not available on your device
Jan 20 21:50:57 <makulkar> "not a dynamic executable"
Jan 20 21:51:02 <javispedro> fun, fun, fun.
Jan 20 21:51:03 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, lagging
Jan 20 21:51:22 <makulkar> javispedro, what could be the prob?
Jan 20 21:51:57 <makulkar> javispedro, DocScrutinizer on scratchbox ldd shows the list but when i copy over to device it says "not a dynamic executable"
Jan 20 21:52:32 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, I'm tempted to say "lart busybox"
Jan 20 21:52:44 <javispedro> I'm tempted to say abi problem..
Jan 20 21:53:01 <DocScrutinizer> or that, yes
Jan 20 21:53:21 <javispedro> or copy failure..
Jan 20 21:53:33 <DocScrutinizer> umm?
Jan 20 21:53:45 <javispedro> that it might have been corrupted while copying =)
Jan 20 21:53:54 <DocScrutinizer> nah
Jan 20 21:53:54 <MohammadAG> N900 scratchbox with N9 libs?
Jan 20 21:53:55 <makulkar> DocScrutinizer, javispedro double checked copy, works fine
Jan 20 21:54:01 * MohammadAG wonders if that would work well
Jan 20 21:54:13 <MohammadAG> I'd be amazed, I think MeeGo on the N900 didn't run a maemo app
Jan 20 21:54:42 <makulkar> MohammadAG, how do i check abt meego/maemo on scratchbox
Jan 20 21:55:39 <makulkar> MohammadAG, my bad.. nevermind.. let me do some more research.
Jan 20 21:55:45 <makulkar> for once i got bad binary
Jan 20 21:56:03 <MohammadAG> hmm
Jan 20 21:56:16 <DocScrutinizer> makulkar: hard to help, as we don't exactly know about your particular OS you're running there
Jan 20 21:56:19 <MohammadAG> dpkg -l libqt4-dev
Jan 20 21:56:37 <makulkar> MohammadAG, all qt stuff there in usr/lib
Jan 20 21:58:36 <MohammadAG> makulkar, yeah, but dpkg -l should show something != 4.7.0~git20100909-0maemo1+0m5
Jan 20 22:02:45 <makulkar> MohammadAG, it shows maemo6 on version
Jan 20 22:03:32 <makulkar> MohammadAG, also when i try to run qt app availble on phone using terminal, I get "ERROR: No DBUS session bus found. Exiting now." any clue?
Jan 20 22:04:32 <javispedro> makulkar: are you trying to run it as root?
Jan 20 22:04:37 <javispedro> (you shouldn't)
Jan 20 22:04:41 <MohammadAG> running as root
Jan 20 22:04:43 <MohammadAG> ^
Jan 20 22:04:49 <makulkar> MohammadAG, yes
Jan 20 22:04:57 <MohammadAG> run it as user
Jan 20 22:05:05 <MohammadAG> or use (if it exists) run-standalone.sh
Jan 20 22:05:55 <makulkar> MohammadAG, javispedro same error when i run as user
Jan 20 22:07:20 <MohammadAG> run-standalone.sh?
Jan 20 22:07:21 <javispedro> makulkar: did you do "su user" or similar to run as user? you probably lost your environment vars. run a terminal from the UI and run your app from there, or find run-standalone.sh as MohammandAG said
Jan 20 22:07:24 <MohammadAG> maybe it still exists
Jan 20 22:07:58 <makulkar> MohammadAG, where would that script be placed typically?
Jan 20 22:08:19 <DocScrutinizer> or do su -l user, or whatever might work on your device/OS
Jan 20 22:08:39 <MohammadAG> /usr/bin/ on M5
Jan 20 22:09:21 <makulkar> MohammadAG, nope it isnt there.
Jan 20 22:09:29 <makulkar> yes i did su -l user
Jan 20 22:09:35 <KaffeeJunky123> oh my god, what have I done
Jan 20 22:09:36 <MohammadAG> hmm
Jan 20 22:09:46 <KaffeeJunky123> I have a wireless surveillance N900 cam
Jan 20 22:09:49 <KaffeeJunky123> that I can use in skype
Jan 20 22:09:52 <KaffeeJunky123> =)
Jan 20 22:09:56 * DocScrutinizer sighs, on general topic of meego-HE(_actually_maemo) on next device
Jan 20 22:10:02 <MohammadAG> it flies?
Jan 20 22:10:04 <MohammadAG> otherwise, it's not wireless :p
Jan 20 22:10:15 <KaffeeJunky123> wasted hours trying to get this stuff to work...
Jan 20 22:10:26 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: nothing that you didn't know..
Jan 20 22:10:32 <DocScrutinizer> sure
Jan 20 22:10:38 <KaffeeJunky123> at first I had an outdated kernel module that wouldn't work with v4l2sink
Jan 20 22:10:43 <DocScrutinizer> only that now it becomes a fact
Jan 20 22:10:45 <MohammadAG> well
Jan 20 22:10:47 <KaffeeJunky123> then I found out that v4l2sink was bugged
Jan 20 22:10:49 <MohammadAG> if sudo gainroot still exists
Jan 20 22:10:58 <KaffeeJunky123> and that a fork exists
Jan 20 22:11:08 <MohammadAG> you might wanna try exec sudo gainroot --use-su
Jan 20 22:11:20 <KaffeeJunky123> and now I found out that for some unkown reason jpegenc only works via tcp but not udp
Jan 20 22:11:57 <ieatlint> alterego: you there?
Jan 20 22:13:54 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: so we are facing two major OS migrations in the near future: first from m5 to m6-HE, which for sure will break all kinds of stuff (see above), and then again from m6 to true meego, which again will break all the shit
Jan 20 22:14:23 <DocScrutinizer> I could easily live with only one of those killers
Jan 20 22:14:37 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: welcome to the club! you know the official answer: limit yourself to Qt.
Jan 20 22:14:50 <DocScrutinizer> PFFF
Jan 20 22:14:52 <ieatlint> DocScrutinizer: is alterego's app available for people yet?
Jan 20 22:15:11 <DocScrutinizer> ieatlint: how TF shall I know?
Jan 20 22:15:19 <ieatlint> dunno :P
Jan 20 22:15:24 <ieatlint> figured it was worth a shot at asking
Jan 20 22:15:30 <MohammadAG> which app?
Jan 20 22:15:30 <DocScrutinizer> :-)
Jan 20 22:15:37 <ieatlint> you're one of the people i've seen talking to him about it
Jan 20 22:15:40 <DocScrutinizer> columbus?
Jan 20 22:15:43 <ieatlint> columbus
Jan 20 22:15:44 <ieatlint> yeah
Jan 20 22:15:49 <MohammadAG> that's been out for age
Jan 20 22:15:50 <MohammadAG> s
Jan 20 22:15:57 <ieatlint> hah, i've not paid enough attention
Jan 20 22:17:02 * DocScrutinizer feels incredibly sick about m6-HE
Jan 20 22:17:41 * DocScrutinizer couldn't think of any better way to kill meego for good
Jan 20 22:19:36 <DocScrutinizer> some chair farts at Nokia still seem to think they're selling closed ecosystem phones, bothering more about continuity of user experience OOTB rather than about community and esp devels
Jan 20 22:21:05 <Trewas> big ship turns slowly, or sinks for that matter :P
Jan 20 22:21:18 <DocScrutinizer> as if the most important thing was it's playing Nokia tune on power up
Jan 20 22:21:39 <javispedro> it is!!!
Jan 20 22:22:12 <DocScrutinizer> ""sybian, maemo, meego, andridiot - WHO CARES? Does it play Nokia tune at startup? Fine then!""
Jan 20 22:23:24 <DocScrutinizer> and of course ""will it work with OVI store?"" - sorry I forgot :P
Jan 20 22:23:57 <MohammadAG> android doesn't play Nokia Tune
Jan 20 22:24:00 * MohammadAG giggles
Jan 20 22:24:13 <MohammadAG> neither does MeeGo
Jan 20 22:24:16 * MohammadAG giggles again
Jan 20 22:24:23 <Hoxzer> Can't see why people make such a big deal about OVI store. I have never used and propably never will.
Jan 20 22:24:33 <DocScrutinizer> pfff, you don't know Nokia's flavour of meego yet
Jan 20 22:24:45 <KaffeeJunky123> MohammadAG: you can patch android to play the nokia tune!
Jan 20 22:25:08 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, oh, that plays an electric guitar version of the tune
Jan 20 22:25:22 <MohammadAG> I'd actually be interested in an electric guitar version, Israel had one
Jan 20 22:25:27 <DocScrutinizer> uaaerrrgh
Jan 20 22:25:28 <KaffeeJunky123> will there ever be phonebill paying in ovi?
Jan 20 22:25:29 * trip0 wonders if nokia is going to make an n9 announcement at MWC
Jan 20 22:25:52 <MohammadAG> trip0, yeah sure
Jan 20 22:26:04 <MohammadAG> release @ MeeGo summit I guess
Jan 20 22:26:12 <KaffeeJunky123> because they already got my phone number, so there's nothing new I'd give to them
Jan 20 22:26:20 <KaffeeJunky123> but I won't give em my bank account data!
Jan 20 22:26:24 <trip0> "we are announcing that the n9 will be delayed another 6 months"
Jan 20 22:26:25 <DocScrutinizer> With MEEGOoo..erxCHOUGH HE
Jan 20 22:26:26 <trip0> doh!
Jan 20 22:26:33 <trip0> :(
Jan 20 22:27:28 <MohammadAG> delays are TBA at announcement, please, don't fake the roadmap
Jan 20 22:27:30 <MohammadAG> :P
Jan 20 22:27:32 <DocScrutinizer> I couldn't care less about N9
Jan 20 22:28:12 <MohammadAG> I could, need MOAR RAM
Jan 20 22:28:13 <DocScrutinizer> err, I *could* - if I got a promise they won't discontinue N900 on release of N9
Jan 20 22:28:32 <MohammadAG> I also want the electric guitar Nokia Tune
Jan 20 22:28:43 <MohammadAG> I just remembered it, used to play on Nokia 6680 ads in Israel
Jan 20 22:28:43 <DocScrutinizer> *sigh*
Jan 20 22:29:15 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: isn't it discontinued already fwiw?
Jan 20 22:29:22 * DocScrutinizer suggests MohammadAG records his own individual unique electric guitar Nokia tune
Jan 20 22:29:55 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, got a guitar for me?
Jan 20 22:30:34 * DocScrutinizer drops a metric ton of PC synthesizers at MohammadAG
Jan 20 22:31:45 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: offer the teenager next door a beer - he'll be happy to grab his guitar and play it for you
Jan 20 22:32:15 <MohammadAG> meh, all people I know have accoustics and classics :p
Jan 20 22:32:33 <DocScrutinizer> use a pickup then
Jan 20 22:32:46 <DocScrutinizer> and a big muff
Jan 20 22:32:54 <MohammadAG> muff?
Jan 20 22:33:02 <trip0> i don't think MohammadAG should be grabbing or playing any teenagers instruments
Jan 20 22:33:18 <MohammadAG> why's that? getting a guitar in march :p
Jan 20 22:33:38 <trip0> that's how people get thrown in jail
Jan 20 22:33:48 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.google.de/search?q=big+muff
Jan 20 22:34:11 <MohammadAG> trip0, LOL
Jan 20 22:34:48 <lardman|home> what pid does a process get if it's started from a shell script without an & ?
Jan 20 22:34:53 <GAN900> MohammadAG, what sort of guitar?
Jan 20 22:35:05 <MohammadAG> electric, for the fun of it
Jan 20 22:35:43 <javispedro> lardman|home: a random one :)
Jan 20 22:35:56 <lardman|home> really? :(
Jan 20 22:36:11 <javispedro> same as with &
Jan 20 22:36:26 <javispedro> there should no difference from the kernel pov
Jan 20 22:36:33 <lardman|home> drat
Jan 20 22:36:36 <javispedro> without & it's just adding a wait() call
Jan 20 22:36:39 <GAN900> MohammadAG, cool.
Jan 20 22:36:41 <KaffeeJunky123> DocScrutinizer: doesn't that thing just make your guitar sound like it's drenched in tons of mud?
Jan 20 22:36:43 <javispedro> *waitpid
Jan 20 22:36:57 <KaffeeJunky123> + overdrive
Jan 20 22:37:03 <lardman|home> I was hoping I could use a shell script for init and exec the android init if the button combo was correct
Jan 20 22:37:19 <javispedro> lardman|home: you want to look at exec then
Jan 20 22:37:33 <javispedro> lardman|home: you can, that's a good idea.
Jan 20 22:37:35 <DocScrutinizer> KaffeeJunky123: well, isn't that the appropriate sound for a Nokia tune? :-P
Jan 20 22:37:40 <MohammadAG> this is actually kinda cool http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62L9ihltsz8:P
Jan 20 22:38:14 <javispedro> lardman|home: on a _sourced_ shell script exec will mean whatever is run gets the shell's pid (replaces it)
Jan 20 22:38:18 <lardman|home> is that a built-in or an e.g. busybox command?
Jan 20 22:38:18 <MohammadAG> has some dropped parts at the start, so meh
Jan 20 22:38:35 <javispedro> lardman|home: builtin
Jan 20 22:38:51 <javispedro> lardman|home: and since it's busybox, ignore the _sourced_ remark I made above ;)
Jan 20 22:40:50 <DocScrutinizer> lardman|home: http://personal.riverusers.com/~thegrendel/abs-guide-4.2.tar.bz2
Jan 20 22:40:53 <javispedro> lardman|home: that's how fremantle original "dualbooting" used to work -- a preinit sh script you can find on a N900 made some checks then exec'd init/upstart or showed the multiboot menu
Jan 20 22:40:54 <DocScrutinizer> Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide
Jan 20 22:40:55 <DocScrutinizer> An in-depth exploration of the art of shell scripting
Jan 20 22:41:47 <lardman|home> yeah but this is not bash
Jan 20 22:42:00 <lardman|home> and there are apparently differences
Jan 20 22:42:01 <DocScrutinizer> (preinit.sh) and backup-menu still works that way
Jan 20 22:42:20 <javispedro> you can find this script (preinit) in /sbin/preinit
Jan 20 22:42:26 <javispedro> (if you want to learn by example :) )
Jan 20 22:42:33 <javispedro> --> 	exec $CHROOT /sbin/init $def_runlevel <dev/console >dev/console 2>&1
Jan 20 22:42:41 <DocScrutinizer> lardman|home: there are. It's messybox, which basically has no external commands. Everything on messybox is "built-in"
Jan 20 22:42:59 <lardman|home> DocScrutinizer: that link is broken
Jan 20 22:43:25 <lardman|home> javispedro: my N900 is broken
Jan 20 22:43:31 <lardman|home> pastebin?
Jan 20 22:43:38 <DocScrutinizer> lardman|home: sorry, this one's not: /home/jr/Desktop/downloads/abs-guide.pdf - but I guess it doesn't really help
Jan 20 22:43:45 <javispedro> "This software, including documentation, is protected by copyright controlled"
Jan 20 22:43:49 <javispedro> haha
Jan 20 22:44:06 <javispedro> a 423 line propietary shell script.
Jan 20 22:44:23 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.google.de/search?q=abs-guide.pdf
Jan 20 22:44:33 <lardman|home> thanks
Jan 20 22:44:39 <cehteh> and he stole the first line already from all of my scripts :P
Jan 20 22:44:48 <lardman|home> runlevel required in that script?
Jan 20 22:45:13 <javispedro> uh?
Jan 20 22:45:58 <javispedro> either way the only interesting bit is the exec line, and the android's init cmdline arguments might be different...
Jan 20 22:46:12 <javispedro> and you probably don't need any chroot to invoke android's init.
Jan 20 22:46:27 <lardman|home> no I won't need chroot
Jan 20 22:46:45 <javispedro> (in fact you don't need chroot for the n900 either, that $CHROOT must be for n8x0....)
Jan 20 22:46:49 <DocScrutinizer> chroot? I always thought you're using pivot-root for that
Jan 20 22:46:55 <lardman|home> though I will need to e.g. switch_root away from the initramfs to /sbin/init of Meego
Jan 20 22:47:37 <DocScrutinizer> lardman|home: that's what pivot-root does
Jan 20 22:47:41 <lardman|home> I don't have the source for the Android init, but afaict it reads relevant info from the kernel command line proc entry
Jan 20 22:47:58 <lardman|home> DocScrutinizer: there's a difference though isn't there, not that I really remember what it is
Jan 20 22:49:06 <DocScrutinizer> chroot creates child with a changed root env, while pivot-root operates on the system root
Jan 20 22:49:34 <lardman|home> and switch_root?
Jan 20 22:49:44 <DocScrutinizer> never heard about it
Jan 20 22:49:49 <lardman|home> chroot allows you to change back, which I don't need
Jan 20 22:50:10 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: this seems to explain why it uses chroot (also has pivot_root call a few lines above) :
Jan 20 22:50:11 <javispedro> http://linux.die.net/man/8/pivot_root
Jan 20 22:50:13 <lardman|home> http://manpages.courier-mta.org/htmlman8/switch_root.8.html
Jan 20 22:50:48 <lardman|home> hmm, so is there a recommendation
Jan 20 22:50:54 <javispedro> lardman|home: sounds like a script, you might be able to read it and see what it does :)
Jan 20 22:50:56 <lardman|home> switch_root looked like it was what I needed
Jan 20 22:50:59 <DocScrutinizer> meh, sorry folks, I am in a mood for RL now
Jan 20 22:51:05 <RST38h> hello to whoever I have not yet helloed today
Jan 20 22:51:09 <javispedro> hi RST38h
Jan 20 22:51:10 <DocScrutinizer> o/
Jan 20 22:51:11 <lardman|home> javispedro: symlink to busybox I think
Jan 20 22:51:18 <lardman|home> hi RST38h
Jan 20 22:51:22 <javispedro> lardman|home: aaaaaaaaaaaaah makes sense.
Jan 20 22:51:25 <DocScrutinizer> hi and bye
Jan 20 22:51:33 <javispedro> cya RST38h  :)
Jan 20 22:51:34 <lardman|home> cu DocScrutinizer
Jan 20 22:51:36 <javispedro> heeee
Jan 20 22:51:39 <javispedro> cya DocScrutinizer =)
Jan 20 22:54:14 <lardman|home> hmm, can't see anything useful in bootmenu*
Jan 20 22:59:07 <m8m8> Hi guys! I logged in to get some help, but now I don't need it, what a relief! Cellular data connection on my N900 ceaced to work for a whole day. Now i've discovered that my GSM provider had issues...
Jan 20 22:59:09 <MohammadAG> found the best Nokia tune :D http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=7609500&q=hi&newref=1
Jan 20 22:59:27 <DocScrutinizer> lardman|home: doesn't andridiot need a proprietary kernel, and that's why we got this multiboot abomination?
Jan 20 22:59:51 <shamus> so is the stable diablo-community-update stable? im still runing the stock nokia os the very latest should i update my n800 to the comunity and is it as easy as clickign the .install or do i need to reflash agin?
Jan 20 22:59:56 <DocScrutinizer> lardman|home: even pivot-root won't switch the kernel
Jan 20 23:00:30 <DocScrutinizer> lardman|home: you should check how to patch uBoot to empoewer it to boot up andridiot
Jan 20 23:01:02 <shamus> or amd i already runign the comunity as i did instsal the rotation
Jan 20 23:02:07 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: hmm - ok
Jan 20 23:02:36 <MohammadAG> :P
Jan 20 23:02:54 <lardman|home> DocScrutinizer: replacing the bootloader is the next (rather large) step
Jan 20 23:03:05 <MohammadAG> replacing the what?!
Jan 20 23:03:14 <lardman|home> but for the time being I'd be happy to be able to boot Meego using the slightly abominated Android kernel
Jan 20 23:03:35 <lardman|home> because that also lets me boot Android, so the device is vaguely useful while I do this
Jan 20 23:03:37 <DocScrutinizer> :-x
Jan 20 23:04:08 <MohammadAG> honest question
Jan 20 23:04:15 <MohammadAG> does anyone read license agreements on installs?
Jan 20 23:04:16 <lardman|home> the secondary bootloader is only 1MB, so not so much reverse engineering to be done there! :$
Jan 20 23:04:34 <Kilroo> Is there a howto for uBooting nitdroid yet or is that still a task to make the uninitiated quail and cower in fear?
Jan 20 23:04:41 <Kilroo> MohammadAG: sometimes.
Jan 20 23:04:43 <lardman|home> MohammadAG: will do on yours from now on!
Jan 20 23:04:54 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: yes
Jan 20 23:05:07 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, even the 9-page+ long ones?
Jan 20 23:05:08 <MrBawb> what about using kexec to switch to the droid kernel?
Jan 20 23:05:37 * Kilroo goes back to trying to tether his n900 to his n85
Jan 20 23:05:44 <MohammadAG> lardman|home, was installing the Qt SDK, and it came across my mind :p
Jan 20 23:05:50 <SpeedEvil> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10261
Jan 20 23:05:52 <povbot> Bug 10261: MyNokia Terms and conditions of use on PR1.2 upgrade are incorrect
Jan 20 23:06:15 <MohammadAG> wow, lol
Jan 20 23:06:23 <lardman|home> MohammadAG: ;)
Jan 20 23:06:48 <MohammadAG> oooh, shiny Qt Creator
Jan 20 23:07:17 <MohammadAG> oh, Qt Quick
Jan 20 23:07:24 * MohammadAG ponders having a look at that
Jan 20 23:07:52 <lardman|home> does sh assume that /bin is in the path or do I need to explicitly set the PATH to include that?
Jan 20 23:07:59 <DocScrutinizer> MrBawb: should work, but same amount of work as fixing uBot to do it "natively" - just the usage pattern is different
Jan 20 23:09:03 <DocScrutinizer> lardman|home: sh assumes nothing, it inherits
Jan 20 23:09:34 <Kilroo> I have a newegg package being shipped to me via DHL/USPS. I am in North Carolina. It started in Tennessee. It has so far traveled via Misourri and Kentucky.
Jan 20 23:09:36 <lardman|home> and when it inherits from the kernel as it has pid 1?
Jan 20 23:10:22 <DocScrutinizer> shell never will have PID 1, except for very special usecases. See man sh, man init, etc
Jan 20 23:10:31 <Kilroo> SWEET! Orange is working!
Jan 20 23:10:47 <lardman|home> DocScrutinizer: this is just such a usecase
Jan 20 23:11:04 <DocScrutinizer> Iknow, but cba to read the manpages for you
Jan 20 23:11:18 * lardman|home reads
Jan 20 23:12:11 <lardman|home> man init is not much use as it assumes init is the binary
Jan 20 23:12:35 <javispedro> lardman|home: probably doesn't, PATH is usually set by login or similar process
Jan 20 23:12:39 <DocScrutinizer> it actually is, as it also explains a bit about who's setting env etc
Jan 20 23:13:02 <RST38h> set by shell, no?
Jan 20 23:13:43 <lardman|home> After init is invoked as the last step of the kernel boot sequence...
Jan 20 23:13:46 <lardman|home> pretty final
Jan 20 23:14:10 <DocScrutinizer> as a general rule, don't assume anything in arbitrary shell scripts. there's nothing forcing PATH to be sane
Jan 20 23:14:13 * lardman|home will just export PATH and be done with it :)
Jan 20 23:14:16 <javispedro> according to that  manpage it will only inherit $CONSOLE
Jan 20 23:14:26 <javispedro> (from the kernel initial environp)
Jan 20 23:14:31 <javispedro> *environment
Jan 20 23:14:48 <lardman|home> Init sets the following environment variables for all its children:
Jan 20 23:15:00 <javispedro> lardman|home: read the CONSOLE part
Jan 20 23:15:06 <Kilroo> I still think it's bunk that General Protection Fault outranks Colonel Panic.
Jan 20 23:15:09 <lardman|home> so apparently it's the job of init to do that, so again I should make sure I do so
Jan 20 23:15:11 <javispedro> " This is really inherited from the kernel"
Jan 20 23:15:17 <javispedro> ($CONSOLE only)
Jan 20 23:15:33 <lardman|home> ok
Jan 20 23:15:47 <lardman|home> console is not overly important as I can't see it on the device anyway
Jan 20 23:20:50 * MohammadAG sighs at Qt creator
Jan 20 23:21:00 <BCMM> is there a page explaining what the contents of /sys/devices/platform/nokia-av/detect mean?
Jan 20 23:21:03 <MohammadAG> there was a "skip packaging step", you had to remove it didn't you
Jan 20 23:22:53 <MohammadAG> oh nice
Jan 20 23:23:02 <MohammadAG> they broke existing projects
Jan 20 23:24:13 <MohammadAG> BCMM, 3 =  unplugged, 1 = headphones plugged
Jan 20 23:24:20 <kpoman> hello !
Jan 20 23:24:23 <kpoman> once again :p
Jan 20 23:24:27 <jonwil> Looks like Cell Broadcast should be possible if I can figure out just whats going on inside libsms
Jan 20 23:24:29 <BCMM> MohammadAG: is that all?
Jan 20 23:24:31 <MohammadAG> 2 will probably be headsets, 4 AV
Jan 20 23:24:35 <MohammadAG> no
Jan 20 23:24:38 <MohammadAG> second two are a guess
Jan 20 23:24:45 <BCMM> MohammadAG: huh, i'm getting three, and i can see a picture on the TV
Jan 20 23:24:46 <MohammadAG> there's the stock N900 (broken, can't test)
Jan 20 23:24:49 <MohammadAG> and AV cable
Jan 20 23:24:55 <MohammadAG> hmm
Jan 20 23:24:57 <BCMM> (well, on my computer through WinTV, but anyway)
Jan 20 23:25:00 <MohammadAG> then it's not related to TV out
Jan 20 23:25:04 <kpoman> I just installed the sdk, it comes with the device emulator. but there are almost no tools there
Jan 20 23:25:11 <kpoman> is theere a catalog to add or what ?
Jan 20 23:25:28 <MohammadAG> er?
Jan 20 23:25:31 <jonwil> A working idapython install would be nice...
Jan 20 23:25:32 <MohammadAG> Qt SDK?
Jan 20 23:25:40 <MohammadAG> it has everything you need to build a Qt app
Jan 20 23:25:55 <kpoman> MohammadAG: to me ?
Jan 20 23:26:02 <MohammadAG> yes
Jan 20 23:26:28 <MohammadAG> :-1: error: Invalid Qt Creator install path.
Jan 20 23:26:30 <MohammadAG> nice
Jan 20 23:26:35 <kpoman> oh ... see I have x86 X running... I want to compile some app with sme libusb dependencies and SDL
Jan 20 23:26:35 <MohammadAG> achipa, any ideas?
Jan 20 23:26:48 <MohammadAG> then you need scratchbox
Jan 20 23:26:48 <kpoman> MohammadAG: what do I do
Jan 20 23:26:50 <MohammadAG> ~maemosdk
Jan 20 23:26:51 <infobot> hmm... maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation
Jan 20 23:27:01 <MohammadAG> unless they're Qt
Jan 20 23:27:03 <kpoman> MohammadAG: I do have all runnign ! I run the emulator right now.
Jan 20 23:27:15 <achipa> wha ? who ? whe ?
Jan 20 23:27:20 <MohammadAG> I'm not sure I'm following :p
Jan 20 23:27:20 <BCMM> heh, that was roundabout
Jan 20 23:27:24 <MohammadAG> you have a Qt?
Jan 20 23:27:34 <MohammadAG> err
Jan 20 23:27:39 <kpoman> MohammadAG: I downloaded all and did all from this page: http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Maemo_5_SDK_installation_for_beginners
Jan 20 23:28:02 <kpoman> MohammadAG: I run the Xephyr and launch the start script. I do see my fake device but no app on it.
Jan 20 23:28:06 <MohammadAG> that's not an emulator...
Jan 20 23:28:07 <BCMM> rang phone from Skype, and heard the ringing come from my computer, via the capture card...
Jan 20 23:28:08 <kpoman> only the browser
Jan 20 23:28:19 <MohammadAG> what exactly do you want on it?
Jan 20 23:28:20 <BCMM> perhaps that wasn't the simplest way to test a cable.
Jan 20 23:28:41 <MohammadAG> BCMM, heh
Jan 20 23:28:46 <jonwil> jacekowski: you around?
Jan 20 23:28:49 <kpoman> MohammadAG: I want to download maybe SDL with ttf and then copy my application and try to compile it, have the binaries and copy them to my real device see if it works
Jan 20 23:29:10 <MohammadAG> you need to switch to ARMEL to compile for the device
Jan 20 23:29:19 <MohammadAG> sb-conf select FREMANTLE_ARMEL
Jan 20 23:29:31 <achipa> MohammadAG: there still is the skip packaging step if that's what you're after
Jan 20 23:29:46 <achipa> it just has some extremely silly name and is in an even sillier location
Jan 20 23:30:02 <BCMM> anyone got a link explaining the confusion about pin order on four-conductor 3.5mm TRS jacks?
Jan 20 23:30:08 <MohammadAG> achipa, it's failing to compile all in all
Jan 20 23:30:10 <kpoman> MohammadAG: yep ... it does autoselect the correct gcc and flags ?
Jan 20 23:30:17 <MohammadAG> yep
Jan 20 23:30:20 <kpoman> MohammadAG: and how do I download the dependencies there, apt-get ?
Jan 20 23:30:25 <MohammadAG> yep
Jan 20 23:30:27 <BCMM> (i've accidentally bought myself a spare AV cable for the n900 when i wanted one for a sony camcorder)
Jan 20 23:30:28 <kpoman> ok
Jan 20 23:30:28 <achipa> MohammadAG: errm, what are you compiling ?
Jan 20 23:30:30 <MohammadAG> add extras-devel
Jan 20 23:30:38 <kpoman> MohammadAG: how do I do that
Jan 20 23:30:45 <MohammadAG> achipa, my mediaplayer, used to compile fine on the old Nokia Qt SDK
Jan 20 23:30:45 <kpoman> sources.list ?
Jan 20 23:30:48 <MohammadAG> yep
Jan 20 23:30:57 <kpoman> let me check what is there
Jan 20 23:31:04 <MohammadAG> deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free non-free
Jan 20 23:31:05 <achipa> MohammadAG: is it in extras ?
Jan 20 23:31:12 <MohammadAG> echo deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free non-free > /etc/apt/sources.list
Jan 20 23:31:20 <MohammadAG> achipa, mediaplayer? no, it's on gitorious
Jan 20 23:31:25 <lardman|home> hmm, does the kernel create a tmpfs which contains /dev ?
Jan 20 23:31:46 <kpoman> MohammadAG: apt-get no such file or directory
Jan 20 23:31:58 <MohammadAG> sure you followed the correct instructions?
Jan 20 23:32:04 <MohammadAG> have a look at
Jan 20 23:32:06 <MohammadAG> ~maemosdk
Jan 20 23:32:06 <infobot> [maemosdk] http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation
Jan 20 23:32:09 <kpoman> MohammadAG: I only did what was in that link
Jan 20 23:32:13 <MohammadAG> I don't really trust any other guides ;)
Jan 20 23:32:18 <javispedro> lardman|home: the kernel can be configured to do so
Jan 20 23:32:27 <kpoman> MohammadAG: on a ubuntu box
Jan 20 23:32:42 <MohammadAG> same, and apt-get works fine with those instructions ^
Jan 20 23:32:59 <javispedro> lardman|home: "CONFIG_DEVTMPFS" if you can find whatever kernel config they used
Jan 20 23:32:59 <MohammadAG> achipa, any way to get more verbose output?
Jan 20 23:33:18 <achipa> MohammadAG: a sec...
Jan 20 23:33:38 <kpoman> MohammadAG: I am running sb login, then switch to armel
Jan 20 23:33:39 <lardman|home> javispedro: thanks, glad I'm not going mad
Jan 20 23:34:05 <javispedro> lardman|home: being an android kernel, I suggest you get the patches they made to the kernel to avoid going mad =)
Jan 20 23:34:13 <javispedro> just in case they added wacky behaviour
Jan 20 23:34:37 <kpoman> MohammadAG: there is something wrong here. If I autocomplete with TAB key, it finds apt-get ... if I type the command it says not found
Jan 20 23:34:44 <kpoman> what is goin on there ?
Jan 20 23:35:12 * javispedro tries StarCraft2 on the lenovo...
Jan 20 23:35:21 <kpoman> MohammadAG: I had to kill services because it was telling me "session not closed" is that the problem ?
Jan 20 23:35:56 <MohammadAG> yes
Jan 20 23:36:02 <kpoman> then ?
Jan 20 23:36:03 <MohammadAG> you have to af-s(tab) stop
Jan 20 23:36:11 <lardman|home> javispedro: it's a tarball, so I'll have to diff it against the vanilla kernel, then remove any arm patches from the diff, etc
Jan 20 23:36:20 <javispedro> ugh
Jan 20 23:36:23 <kpoman> no such file or directory for everyting in there
Jan 20 23:36:52 <kpoman> do i need to reboot the machine :(
Jan 20 23:38:45 <achipa> MohammadAG: where is it breaking ?
Jan 20 23:38:56 <MohammadAG> before building starts
Jan 20 23:39:05 <MohammadAG> kpoman, no, just follow instructions in the wiki
Jan 20 23:39:25 <achipa> ? worksforme, had to uncomment that silly pathline in the pro and that was it...
Jan 20 23:39:35 <MohammadAG> Project ERROR: Invalid Qt Creator install path.
Jan 20 23:39:36 <MohammadAG> The process "/home/mohammad/QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/targets/fremantle-pr13/bin/qmake" exited with code 2.
Jan 20 23:39:41 <achipa> yeah
Jan 20 23:40:00 <achipa>   p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }  # Uncomment the lines as required.dF

Jan 20 23:40:14 <achipa> holy copypaste madness
Jan 20 23:40:38 <achipa> anyway, external-includes.pro says uncomment stuff in it
Jan 20 23:41:04 * shamus backups his home directory fully this time and feals like taking the plunge after all whats the worst that the stable version of Diablo_Community_Project could do to his n800 heck worse case i guess ill have to reflash
Jan 20 23:41:04 * MohammadAG facepalms
Jan 20 23:41:09 <MohammadAG> that file...
Jan 20 23:41:11 <MohammadAG> thanks
Jan 20 23:41:48 <achipa> I don't think that's coming from qtcreator tho, you prolly picked it up someplace else
Jan 20 23:42:19 <MohammadAG> yeah, crashanddie added it to work around an issue
Jan 20 23:42:23 <MohammadAG> forgot about it
Jan 20 23:42:31 <MohammadAG> one last thing
Jan 20 23:42:36 <achipa> (as I tend to get bitchy when someone starts including .pro files :) if it's not a separate project, make it a pri so it's clear it's an include)
Jan 20 23:42:42 <MohammadAG> is there a way to install dpkgs without extracting them manually?
Jan 20 23:43:02 <achipa> xpkg -i whatever?
Jan 20 23:43:03 <MohammadAG> heh, I tend to agree about .pri :)
Jan 20 23:43:20 <achipa> xdpkg...
Jan 20 23:43:26 * MohammadAG finds
Jan 20 23:43:49 <MohammadAG> not hidden, at all :p QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madlib/ma-cmds/xdpkg
Jan 20 23:44:05 <achipa> every goo dhacker looks there first, right ? :P
Jan 20 23:44:16 <MohammadAG> ha
Jan 20 23:44:17 <MohammadAG> mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~$ QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madlib/ma-cmds/xdpkg
Jan 20 23:44:17 <MohammadAG> Can't locate Madde.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madlib/ma-cmds/xdpkg line 9.
Jan 20 23:44:17 <MohammadAG> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madlib/ma-cmds/xdpkg line 9.
Jan 20 23:44:51 <achipa> ummm... I remember that...
Jan 20 23:45:14 <achipa> (though at almost 2AM my mmery tends to fade)
Jan 20 23:45:29 <MohammadAG> 1:39 here :p
Jan 20 23:45:34 <achipa> ditto
Jan 20 23:46:51 <wmarone> hm
Jan 20 23:46:57 <wmarone> anyone here use dropn900?
Jan 20 23:47:00 <mikki-kun> hm, can anybody tell me how i could add to my halfdone script --- for i in *.pdf; echo $i | sed s/L/Z:/g --- the mv command so my files get renamed?
Jan 20 23:47:31 <MohammadAG> trying to do what exactly? :P
Jan 20 23:47:36 <MrBawb> newname=`echo $i | sed s/L/Z:/g`
Jan 20 23:47:40 <MrBawb> is that what you wanted?
Jan 20 23:47:55 <achipa> MohammadAG: a@t410:~/QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/bin$ ./mad ../madlib/ma-cmds/xdpkg
Jan 20 23:48:03 <mikki-kun> i want my L$BLA files renamed to Z:$BLA :)
Jan 20 23:48:06 <achipa> might be talking rubbish... eyes half closed
Jan 20 23:48:17 <MohammadAG> heh
Jan 20 23:48:21 <MohammadAG> sounds reasonable to me
Jan 20 23:48:23 <MohammadAG> ta
Jan 20 23:48:30 <MrBawb> mikki-kun: for i in *.pdf; do mv $i `echo $i | sed s/L/Z:/g`; done
Jan 20 23:48:32 <Jartza> gnnh
Jan 20 23:48:41 <MrBawb> might need some "s
Jan 20 23:48:45 <Jartza> I'm trying to get a grip of QML
Jan 20 23:48:48 * MohammadAG backspaces
Jan 20 23:48:50 <MohammadAG> beat me to it :p
Jan 20 23:48:54 <mikki-kun> ahhh ok, "do mv" :) it was then :)
Jan 20 23:51:11 <kpoman> sorry MohammadAG  made a beer explode here and had to clean up the mess
Jan 20 23:51:53 <MohammadAG> beer's too cool for me
Jan 20 23:52:08 <kpoman> lol heineken here in brazil is like water
Jan 20 23:52:10 <kpoman> :p
Jan 20 23:52:14 <shamus> almost made a major mistake and tryed to make a backup with a custom theme
Jan 20 23:52:31 <Jartza> heineken is like water anyways :)
Jan 20 23:52:37 <kpoman> heheh
Jan 20 23:52:57 <kpoman> too bad I lost one bottle because of 2 previous ones :D
Jan 20 23:53:01 <Jartza> what's common between Heineken and making love in a canoe?
Jan 20 23:53:10 <kpoman> i donno
Jan 20 23:53:14 <Jartza> ...they're both "fucking close to water"
Jan 20 23:53:22 <kpoman> loooool :p ahahaha
Jan 20 23:53:37 <ShadowJK> I've heard that before...about budweiser :P
Jan 20 23:53:46 <Jartza> same story :)
Jan 20 23:53:47 <kpoman> all beers are here of that kind unfortunately :p
Jan 20 23:53:51 <kpoman> no leffe
Jan 20 23:54:03 <kpoman> no others of that kind
Jan 20 23:54:04 <kpoman> guiness
Jan 20 23:54:06 <kpoman> etc... :(
Jan 20 23:54:47 * ShadowJK likes unfiltered wheat beers
Jan 20 23:54:57 <kpoman> guys every time I see that phone I love it more and more
Jan 20 23:54:57 <MohammadAG> ooh fuck
Jan 20 23:55:08 <MohammadAG> new Qt SDK removed my mediaplayer
Jan 20 23:55:09 <Jartza> I like a lot of different beers, but not heineker nor budweiser :)
Jan 20 23:55:09 <MohammadAG> xD
Jan 20 23:55:22 <kpoman> I do develop lot of python and now want to port lot of software I did for that mobile device ... in particular biometric apps
Jan 20 23:55:30 <kpoman> like banking fingerprint authentication
Jan 20 23:55:34 <kpoman> access control
Jan 20 23:55:42 <kpoman> very nice platform you did create there
Jan 20 23:56:05 <kpoman> I just want to compile a demo app and sdk and then put the python in there :P
Jan 20 23:56:28 <kpoman> congrats all the hardcore devs there ;)
Jan 20 23:56:32 <kpoman> (beer speaking)
Jan 20 23:56:36 <Jartza> hmm. ohh, ok.
Jan 20 23:56:40 <MohammadAG> achipa, you sure about the part about disabling packages?
Jan 20 23:56:52 <Jartza> whoo-a
Jan 20 23:56:59 <Jartza> I drew 2 rectangles with QML
Jan 20 23:57:07 <Jartza> well. that's a start :D
Jan 20 23:57:37 <MohammadAG> heh
Jan 20 23:58:00 <kpoman> MohammadAG: my scratchbox is telling me command not found for everythin
Jan 20 23:58:06 <kpoman> I thing I messed too much
Jan 20 23:58:21 <MohammadAG> kpoman, I'm guessing you have them, but installation wasn't successful so there's no qemu
Jan 20 23:58:31 <MohammadAG> so you're trying to run arm on x86, which naturally, doesn't work well
Jan 20 23:59:15 <kpoman> MohammadAG: it seems more like a path error or whatever. after I did kill services and switched to armel I have those problems
Jan 20 23:59:31 <lardman|home> do I need to umount the devtmpfs and devpts before I exec the android init do you reckon?
Jan 20 23:59:37 <kpoman> MohammadAG: the .sh script dont work, but the direct commands do
Jan 20 23:59:55 <MohammadAG> does /usr/bin/apt-get say anything?
Jan 21 00:00:16 <shamus> wow that was painless
Jan 21 00:00:36 <kpoman> MohammadAG: I am able to autocomplete the command, but when ran, it says no such file or dir
Jan 21 00:00:58 <kpoman> odd
Jan 21 00:01:28 <MohammadAG> again
Jan 21 00:01:37 <MohammadAG> ARM on X86
Jan 21 00:01:37 <MohammadAG> wrong arch returns no such file
Jan 21 00:01:55 <kpoman> MohammadAG: I did the sb-conf thing
Jan 21 00:02:09 <kpoman> sb-conf se FREMANTLE_ARMEL
Jan 21 00:02:26 <MohammadAG> I know
Jan 21 00:02:30 <MohammadAG> but qemu's f'd for some reason
Jan 21 00:02:45 <MohammadAG> repeat installation
Jan 21 00:02:52 <kpoman> do you have an apt-get to install that on ubuntu ?
Jan 21 00:03:16 <MohammadAG> no, just follow ~maemosdk
Jan 21 00:03:19 <MohammadAG> ~maemosdk
Jan 21 00:03:19 <infobot> i guess maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation
Jan 21 00:03:21 <kpoman> qemu-arm-static
Jan 21 00:03:26 <kpoman> oops let see
Jan 21 00:03:28 <MohammadAG> two scripts
Jan 21 00:03:30 <MohammadAG> run both
Jan 21 00:04:04 <kpoman> the python script ?
Jan 21 00:06:06 <kpoman> MohammadAG:  the x86 version works well
Jan 21 00:06:12 <kpoman> at least launches the emulator
Jan 21 00:06:22 <kpoman> and that link I gave you everything went ok
Jan 21 00:06:53 <MohammadAG> X86 matches your CPU, so will obviously run fine
Jan 21 00:06:57 <MohammadAG> no, run the 2 .sh files
Jan 21 00:07:05 <MohammadAG> and it's not an emulator, it's running natively
Jan 21 00:08:24 <kpoman> which sh files ? there are many ther
Jan 21 00:11:45 <MohammadAG> there are only 2
Jan 21 00:12:25 <kpoman> but I already did download about 1GB of data... dont wanna do all that again for just a comma
Jan 21 00:12:26 <lardman|home> hmm, well at least I know my init script was working, as I got into a reboot loop
Jan 21 00:12:28 <kpoman> or whatever
Jan 21 00:15:32 * lardman|home calls it a night wondering if he needs to mknod for the block devices so his init script checks can find the Meego sd card
Jan 21 00:15:39 <lardman|home> night all
Jan 21 00:19:31 <trx> hmm
Jan 21 00:19:50 <trx> i'm trying to install qt into my scratchbox
Jan 21 00:20:00 <trx> armel target one
Jan 21 00:20:08 <trx> i do fakeroot apt-get install libqt4-dev
Jan 21 00:20:50 <trx> and it downloads the packages, and when it tried to install them, it fails, because it downloaded the i386 debs
Jan 21 00:20:59 <trx> tries*
Jan 21 00:21:11 <trx> how can i tell it to download the arm packages?
Jan 21 00:23:56 <MohammadAG> some conf in apt
Jan 21 00:23:56 <MohammadAG> sec
Jan 21 00:25:51 <MohammadAG> right
Jan 21 00:25:55 <MohammadAG> read man apt.conf
Jan 21 00:31:16 <javispedro> trx: did you something weird on your sdk setup like untarring the i386 rootfs on the armel target?
Jan 21 00:31:35 <javispedro> gotta love the n9atom thread..
Jan 21 00:31:43 * javispedro bookmarks for tomorrows' laughs
Jan 21 00:32:07 <trx> javispedro no, i havent messed with that
Jan 21 00:33:18 <javispedro> trx: just to be sure, do "readelf -h /usr/bin/apt-get  | grep Machine". Expect "ARM" .
Jan 21 00:33:21 <trx> MohammadAG it says : bash: read: `apt.conf`: not a valid identifier
Jan 21 00:33:25 <javispedro> (in the armel target)
Jan 21 00:33:33 <trx> javispedro ill try
Jan 21 00:33:59 <trx> it said Machine : ARM
Jan 21 00:34:11 <wmarone> idle speculation is always fun
Jan 21 00:34:35 <jonwil> does anything on the N900 grab things sent to syslog?
Jan 21 00:35:17 <MohammadAG> sysklogd if installed
Jan 21 00:35:17 <BCMM> jonwil: by default, i believe not
Jan 21 00:36:31 <javispedro> trx: check what "dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH" sais
Jan 21 00:36:33 <javispedro> *says
Jan 21 00:37:49 <trx> it says :
Jan 21 00:37:56 <trx> Use of uninitialized value in split at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-lenny/bin/dpkg-architecture line 189.
Jan 21 00:37:58 <trx> armel
Jan 21 00:38:35 <javispedro> your sb setup seems to be broken
Jan 21 00:39:04 <javispedro> why are you using lenny either way?
Jan 21 00:39:18 <javispedro> you should be using etch, or the latest squeeze if anything
Jan 21 00:39:33 <javispedro> (as devkit I mean =) )
Jan 21 00:39:47 <trx> dont know really, this is what i got when i installed scratch box :)
Jan 21 00:40:00 <MohammadAG> [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/ssu/vte] > ls /scratchbox/devkits/
Jan 21 00:40:00 <MohammadAG> apt-https/    debian-etch/  debian-lenny/ debian-sarge/ doctools/     git/          perl/         qemu/         svn/
Jan 21 00:40:02 <MohammadAG> :P
Jan 21 00:40:12 <javispedro> MohammadAG: sb-conf show
Jan 21 00:40:51 <MohammadAG> [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/ssu/vte] > sb-conf show
Jan 21 00:40:53 <MohammadAG> Compiler: cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7
Jan 21 00:40:53 <MohammadAG> Devkits: perl debian-etch qemu doctools svn git
Jan 21 00:40:53 <MohammadAG> CPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/qemu/bin/qemu-arm-sb
Jan 21 00:41:01 <javispedro> see. etch.
Jan 21 00:41:36 <trx> ill change to etch then (hopefully)
Jan 21 00:41:50 <javispedro> trx: if someone or something messed your sbox setup, I suggest a reinstall
Jan 21 00:43:09 <trx> yeah, that would be the best way, but it takes too long
Jan 21 00:43:15 <trx> i only need to compile a lib
Jan 21 00:43:26 <trx> which takes 2 min
Jan 21 00:43:33 <trx> but no, my sb has to be broken :/
Jan 21 00:44:12 <MohammadAG> cachcing scratchbox files = ftw
Jan 21 00:44:20 <MohammadAG> I can install in 5-10 mins :)
Jan 21 00:44:24 <BCMM> MohammadAG: caching how?
Jan 21 00:44:50 * javispedro has not reinstalled sbox since the first time I got my n810..
Jan 21 00:44:52 <BCMM> i mean, what sort of caching
Jan 21 00:45:05 <MohammadAG> copying /tmp, copying /var/cache/apt/archives
Jan 21 00:45:09 <MohammadAG> copying back on installation
Jan 21 00:45:13 <javispedro> it's been there, on its own lvm lv and survived a few main OS reinstalls =)
Jan 21 00:45:18 <MohammadAG> or make a custom script that does it for you
Jan 21 00:45:30 <MohammadAG> I have scratchbox on a separate partition
Jan 21 00:47:21 <trx> ok, with dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH i no longer get an error
Jan 21 00:47:37 <trx> thats a start :)
Jan 21 00:47:59 <javispedro> I do not thin that will fix it per se.
Jan 21 00:49:14 <trx> me too
Jan 21 00:50:51 <jonwil> So I want to install sysklogd from where?
Jan 21 00:51:08 <trx> from the repos
Jan 21 00:51:18 <javispedro> jonwil: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5
Jan 21 01:02:08 <jonwil> ok, I installed syslog but I am not getting any syslog messages
Jan 21 01:02:23 <jonwil> and syslog is running
Jan 21 01:02:28 <jonwil> syslogd
Jan 21 01:03:35 <MohammadAG> /var/log/syslog
Jan 21 01:04:16 <jonwil> yes I see that
Jan 21 01:04:22 <jonwil> but its not putting syslog messages in there
Jan 21 01:04:25 <jonwil> only some kernel stuff
Jan 21 01:06:08 <jonwil> I get plenty of kernel messages (which is not what I want)
Jan 21 01:06:18 <jonwil> but nothing at all from code I am sure is calling syslog/vsyslog
Jan 21 01:20:09 <jonwil> duh, I dont think the 3G towers I am talking to are sending Cell Broadcast...
Jan 21 01:26:52 <jonwil> yep, its confirmed. None of the networks in Australia send the Cell Broadcast location messages
Jan 21 01:30:31 <jonwil> the 3G ones at least
Jan 21 01:32:13 <jonwil> so after all that work, it looks like A.There is unspecified Cell Broadcast related code in the n900 SMS libraries that may or may not do something usefull and B.even if it did something usefull, I have no way to test what it does because the tower doesn't send broadcast messages anyway
Jan 21 01:34:17 <nox-> i suppose you could package something up so others can test on other towers/operators?
Jan 21 01:36:07 <jonwil> I didnt have anything to package up. All I know is that there is code related to cell broadcast inside libsms but not what it does or where it sends the messages
Jan 21 01:41:36 <jonwil> will add some more to the relavent bugzilla bug
Jan 21 01:42:35 <SpeedEvil> Have you any useful testing others in regions that do CVS could do?
Jan 21 01:46:20 <jonwil> I dont know of any 3G operator doing cell broadcast over 3G towers
Jan 21 01:46:37 <jonwil> Will post the info I have in the bugzilla bug and let it go from there
Jan 21 01:53:57 <lucent> MohammadAG: how'd you set up scratchbox, what is the distro on your host computer?  I was unable to get it set up properly here following the SDK guides
Jan 21 02:04:27 <jonwil> ok, comment added to bug 8347
Jan 21 02:04:28 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/8347 Cell Broadcast Feature not available
Jan 21 02:07:40 <jonwil> Now I have to think of some other app/code to write for my N900 :P
Jan 21 02:08:26 <DocScrutinizer> jonwil: my carrier definitely is sending CB-SMS on channel 221
Jan 21 02:08:42 <jonwil> is this a 3G tower?
Jan 21 02:09:03 <lucent> I have no 3G tower nearby to test with, sorry
Jan 21 02:09:05 <DocScrutinizer> nope, this is with a 2G Nokia 6210
Jan 21 02:09:31 <DocScrutinizer> but that's no problem. I could force N900 to 2G anyway
Jan 21 02:11:00 <DocScrutinizer> As CB-SMS is specified for 3G as well as 2G, I don't think there's a huge difference in how that's handled inside modem
Jan 21 02:11:19 <nox-> that network info(?) tool btw already displays cellids
Jan 21 02:12:00 <DocScrutinizer> s/CB-SMS/SMS-CB/g
Jan 21 02:12:00 <infobot> DocScrutinizer meant: As SMS-CB is specified for 3G as well as 2G, I don't think there's a huge difference in how that's handled inside modem
Jan 21 02:12:22 <javispedro> great
Jan 21 02:12:34 <javispedro> I jus had a fscking kernel panic WHILE reflashing =)
Jan 21 02:12:34 <nox-> ah no its called netmon
Jan 21 02:12:39 <DocScrutinizer> cell-id yes. But that's basically worthless
Jan 21 02:12:41 <nox-> eww
Jan 21 02:12:47 <nox-> heh yeah
Jan 21 02:13:08 <DocScrutinizer> bbl, out for a burger
Jan 21 02:13:18 <jonwil> If we can get info/code (either from Nokia or reverse engineered by someone with more ARM skills than me) on just what libsms and csd-sms are doing with the Cell Broadcast messages and what needs to be built on top of that code to actually support SMS-CB on the N900, then we can find someone on a carrier where they can get a SMS-CB message
Jan 21 02:14:47 <nox-> at least there is http://www.opencellid.org/ and some unoffical(?) google apis to query their cellid db...
Jan 21 02:18:13 <nox-> bbl
Jan 21 02:19:15 <javispedro> great, I just wanted to a boot a kernel, now it's fiasco reflash time
Jan 21 02:20:20 * DocScrutinizer hands javispedro a cookie
Jan 21 02:21:13 <javispedro> hum, I've noticed that the cherry thing (which I conveniently forgot to disable) does run without hildon-desktop
Jan 21 02:21:25 <javispedro> meaning it's a perfect case to see how tear-free it scrolls.
Jan 21 02:21:32 <nox-> that does sounds like some fiasco...
Jan 21 02:21:53 <nox-> anyway im off
Jan 21 02:25:53 * javispedro curses and blasphemes
Jan 21 02:26:01 <javispedro> thank god it's friday tomorrow :S
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