**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 26 02:59:57 2011 Jan 26 03:02:03 lol android SUCKS Jan 26 03:02:18 good lord does it suck Jan 26 03:03:06 hi franz_ Jan 26 03:03:10 hi Jan 26 03:05:55 hrm... i just got a skype call Jan 26 03:06:21 but the ring behavior was really strange Jan 26 03:06:46 it sounded like my phone was on a dead line first, and then it rang for an instant and then it went away before i could pause my DVR and answer :( Jan 26 03:45:42 * Kilroo puzzles over how to partition his 32GB sd card. Jan 26 04:03:03 Kilroo: why puzzlement? Jan 26 04:03:35 also, 32GB SD card? wowzer Jan 26 04:03:35 lucent: Because I'm trying to anticipate how I expect to want to use it. Jan 26 04:03:53 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220547 Jan 26 04:03:56 :D Jan 26 04:04:11 uSD! Jan 26 04:05:00 shoot I can't justify over $50 on a given uSD card Jan 26 04:05:45 Kilroo: what data do you keep on the card? Jan 26 04:05:56 So far, none. Jan 26 04:06:11 I'm into storing music on mine in FLAC format Jan 26 04:06:41 several 4 or 8GB cards, and I have Sansa Fuze players (several of those too) Jan 26 04:07:21 A microSD, with a price of over about $15, exceeds its price in gold. Jan 26 04:07:32 of equal weight Jan 26 04:08:11 yeah I spent about $17 on 8GB capacity uSD cards Jan 26 04:08:48 My list of things I want to be able to do with it, ideally, so far includes: pop it out and let other people put stuff on it, either as a microSD or in a USB adapter, as one might use a flash drive; install nitdroid; eventually install a few other OSes for testing (Arch, Meego, etcetera); possibly try having some swap space on it. Jan 26 04:09:31 Yeah, I have a few 8's too. Jan 26 04:10:46 oh! Kilroo http://www.amazon.com/elago-Mobile-microSDHC-Memory-Reader/dp/B002HGFKR8 Jan 26 04:11:29 best little reader ever for sticking on a keyring and using microsd cards Jan 26 04:11:46 $9 seems kind of high price though I got mine for $3 Jan 26 04:12:26 ...I already have miniSD, SD, and USB adapters...came with the Kingstons. The USB one isn't quite that neat a design but it's quite servicable. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 26 04:23:39 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 26 06:04:15 2011 Jan 26 06:04:16 It runs on any platform you can think of, more or less. Jan 26 06:04:55 It's running on the N900(arm), on x86, x86_64... http://packages.debian.org/unstable/otherosfs/dosbox Jan 26 06:05:00 i thought dosbox uses mainly C++ for it's emulation, and not assembly Jan 26 06:05:08 so it can be targeted for different devices easily Jan 26 06:05:35 Well, it seems to be fast enough to do the job? Jan 26 06:05:41 Sazpaimon: maybe you want to take a look at all the PSX emulators that are available on the N900 Jan 26 06:05:48 I'm sure most of those are ported from x86 targets Jan 26 06:06:37 again, they probably don't use asm for their emulation core Jan 26 06:06:55 Sazpaimon: well, won't know unless you look Jan 26 06:07:06 and then you have to ask if the lack of assembly is a performance hit Jan 26 06:07:14 if not, who cares Jan 26 06:07:30 i believe it can be, depending on the hardware Jan 26 06:07:33 sure Jan 26 06:07:48 it's probably more of a moot point nowadays with phones surpassing 1Ghz Jan 26 06:08:04 but that just means you're going to have to take into account the cross platform nature of your target Jan 26 06:09:23 i can think of one example where ASM improves performance on "slower" devices Jan 26 06:10:00 picodrive, that uses ARM ASM for it's emulation core, and runs very fast on most devices Jan 26 06:10:10 sure Jan 26 06:10:13 won't argue that Jan 26 06:11:03 So creating two sets of ASM is -that- hard? Sure, it'll be harder than one, but I'd bet the rest of the application would take longer. Jan 26 06:11:32 RobbieThe1st, the differences between the ARM and x86 instruction set is pretty vast Jan 26 06:12:07 Sazpaimon: not really relevant, you can make the changes completely transparent to upper layers of code if you do it right Jan 26 06:13:25 Yes, but I'm just saying that the total time taken to write the asm can't be as hard as designing the whole rest of the program.. Jan 26 06:14:00 when something like the emulation is the core of your program, yes it is Jan 26 06:14:23 Sazpaimon: have you written an emulator before? Jan 26 06:14:58 Where it would matter is video, where you have to use the dsp+iva anwyway, the dsp is painful with substandard tools, the iva is secret and you'd probably get sued for using it Jan 26 06:15:36 wmarone, I have not, but I understand the process of creating an emulation core Jan 26 06:15:59 and you saw the javascript gameboy emulator, right? Jan 26 06:16:21 wmarone, yeah, fancy piece of code, that Jan 26 06:16:26 the argument here is giving up performance for convenience Jan 26 06:16:39 undesirable, in my opinion Jan 26 06:17:09 eh, he doesn't have to give up performance for convenience Jan 26 06:17:30 but the instructuion set of an 8-bit LR35902 cpu is a lot less complex than that of, say a 16 bit motorola 68000 Jan 26 06:17:34 he just has to be aware of his targets and what is necessary to make it work Jan 26 06:17:48 even if it *does* work, as you said, if it's fast enough Jan 26 06:18:07 in a mobile device there's lots of things to encourage better performance, like battery life and stuff Jan 26 06:18:15 sure Jan 26 06:18:31 but when playing a game you'll probably burn more battery on the display Jan 26 06:18:36 risc vs cisc? Jan 26 06:19:09 what if you could turn off the display and use tv-out? Jan 26 06:19:23 not saying that's something that will impact much, but it is not a non-issue either Jan 26 06:19:54 Probably a better idea would be to just get a charger if you intend to play a game for hours on end... Jan 26 06:19:55 franz_: save a bit of power Jan 26 06:20:43 I mean, currently, you can get about 2 hours of work at max brightness/max CPU load with the N900. That's enough for most things. If you need more, you're probably by -some- sort of power. Jan 26 06:21:14 if you're at max cpu load for 2 hours, I'd start worrying about your device surviving Jan 26 06:22:03 a sega genesis emulatior shouldn't have to use max cpu load though Jan 26 06:22:12 if it's optimized to the fullest extent Jan 26 06:22:34 sure, but you won't get that with assembly alone Jan 26 06:22:53 no, but you'll get further away from it using C++ Jan 26 06:23:13 not really Jan 26 06:24:04 but this is all beside the point Jan 26 06:24:20 if you want to leverage assembly to get the most out of your code Jan 26 06:24:33 then you'll need to abstract it from the rest properly Jan 26 06:24:42 Eh, I've run mine for over 2 hours under max load more than once, at 950mhz. That's about where it starts getting warm over time. Jan 26 06:24:42 i kind of lost the point somewhere down the line Jan 26 06:24:42 and create an ARM and x86 version Jan 26 06:25:12 there are no "universal binaries" in Linux Jan 26 06:25:19 in the end i think if a developer decides to target to meego he'll probably opt against using processor-specific code Jan 26 06:25:35 undoubtedly, as it won't be necessary for the vast majority of programs Jan 26 06:26:02 most will be happy to stay in the world as Qt presents it Jan 26 06:26:15 others will leverage the additional APIs made available by MeeGo Jan 26 06:26:30 and the rest of the weirdos will go into Extras Jan 26 06:26:36 wmarone, there's some support for fat binaries in linux Jan 26 06:26:42 not a great deal, but it's there Jan 26 06:26:45 Hm... Personally, I'm hoping to see a lot of Meego apps being able to be run easily on traditional Desktop Linux, possibly with a few extra libraries. Jan 26 06:26:47 Sazpaimon: all of which was rejected from the kernel Jan 26 06:26:59 yeah, it probably wont ever happen Jan 26 06:27:10 it's only a problem for closed source software Jan 26 06:27:28 and sorting that out is the vendor's problem Jan 26 06:28:04 And that's a -good- thing, IMHO. Jan 26 06:29:35 on an absolutely unrelated and completely off topic note, i seem to have been invaded by gnats Jan 26 06:29:57 despite me having a pretty clean house Jan 26 06:37:32 Hi, I am getting dreaded "Suitable USB device not found, waiting. Jan 26 06:37:32 Unable to enumerate USB devices!" message when trying to flash N900. Using Fedora Rawhide, so advices about "upgrade your distribution" are off, I guess (and yes, it is fully upgraded). Jan 26 06:39:09 and yes I did mount usbfs and yes I modprobe -r cdc_phonenet Jan 26 06:39:45 Oh, ... Jan 26 06:39:56 not following the HOWTO helped! Jan 26 06:41:26 tried livecd/livedvd/liveusb? Jan 26 06:42:40 no, I have just rerun flasher after it failed (with N900 in flashing mode) and it caught USB just fine. Jan 26 06:42:55 i read "and it caught USB just fire" Jan 26 06:43:07 momentary image of burning device Jan 26 06:43:26 lp0 on fire Jan 26 06:43:26 lp0 is on fire! Jan 26 06:43:31 ha! Jan 26 06:43:40 xcat Jan 26 06:43:45 s/fire/fine/ Jan 26 06:45:47 and my phone is a virgin again! She doesn't know what I am talking about. Jan 26 06:46:07 it even looks like some data were saved Jan 26 06:46:46 if you don't reflash the eMMC then you shouldn't lose any data Jan 26 06:48:03 well, SOME are gone Jan 26 06:48:34 (it doesn't remember WiFi connections, for example, and configuration of desktops is gone) Jan 26 06:48:56 ahh Jan 26 06:49:35 trying to restore backups now Jan 26 06:51:04 they should start advertising capacitative gloves in stores Jan 26 07:08:20 why does everything designed in china/taiwan look 25 years out of date? Jan 26 07:09:23 does full restore recovers also repository settings (I hate writing long URLs on N900 keyboard)? Jan 26 07:11:22 mcepl, I think it should Jan 26 07:11:32 hmm, don't honestly remember though ... Jan 26 07:12:29 it doesn't :( Jan 26 07:12:37 which repositories? Jan 26 07:14:24 extras-testing, extras-devel, firefox Jan 26 07:14:39 firefox has a .install file I think Jan 26 07:14:54 extras-testing and -devel used to have .install buttons, but I can't find them now ... Jan 26 07:15:14 yeah, that's true Jan 26 07:19:42 sooo, if you *really* hate typing on the N900 keyboard, you could make yourself a .install file Jan 26 07:20:28 Just grab a .install from maemo.org/downloads on your desktop, modify it to point to the info for extras-devel or extras-testing remove the 'package =' line and copy it your N900 Jan 26 07:24:38 nice answer johnx ! Jan 26 07:25:46 did there used to be .install files for -testing and -devel or am I going crazy? maybe that was for OS200(7|8)? Jan 26 08:58:33 * jonwil is making progress on cloning the ICD policy plugins. Jan 26 08:59:05 If I could just figure out what compile options Nokia are likely to have used... Jan 26 08:59:20 I think I need an optomization flag but I dont know which one Jan 26 09:01:29 Good work! Jan 26 09:01:45 -O2 seems to be the standard Jan 26 09:02:50 maybe hack up a script for each and every possible optimisation flags available to be compiled and make it automatically do a diff on the compiled output against the precompiled binary? ;) Jan 26 09:04:02 definatly -O2 Jan 26 09:04:23 The simplest of the plugins (icd_policy_add) looks correct now Jan 26 09:06:11 The ASM instructions are identical Jan 26 09:06:24 :) Jan 26 09:19:02 icd? Jan 26 09:19:24 I think its inter connecting daemon Jan 26 09:19:35 yeah internet connectivity daemon Jan 26 09:19:44 oh, that crap Jan 26 09:19:47 i see Jan 26 09:19:51 well there you go, straight from the horse's mouth Jan 26 09:33:47 the point is that by working with the ICD policy plugins (e.g. writing a new one or modifying existing ones) you should be able to influence the network selection order. e.g. favoring certain WiFi networks over other ones Jan 26 09:33:58 Hence the wish to make 1:1 clones of the existing plugins Jan 26 09:34:46 icd_policy_one is done now Jan 26 09:39:49 Interesting! Jan 26 09:42:32 How to have 6 number of status bar lines? Scrolling status bar is not some thing very good. :) Jan 26 09:44:13 that might require some hacking into the source of hildon-status-bar I suppose Jan 26 09:49:18 Yeah. Jan 26 09:52:20 have you tried looking at the source? :) Jan 26 09:59:52 No. =D Jan 26 10:00:04 I am not a coder, just graphic designer. Jan 26 10:02:22 Ex-Opesa, always a good time to start ;) Jan 26 10:03:18 johnx, hehe. =) Jan 26 10:17:16 C is not complicated to learn :) Jan 26 10:18:21 no lang is complicated to learn Jan 26 10:18:32 exept asm which is just plain boring :/ Jan 26 10:18:39 pop Jan 26 10:18:45 jmp Jan 26 10:18:47 and some of the purposefully complicated ones Jan 26 10:19:00 like brainf**k Jan 26 10:19:59 anyways, is there a way i can connect n900 to computer via mass storage mode and make it read only? Jan 26 10:20:33 sure, connect it, then on the computer (on linux at least) mount -o remount,ro /mnt/n900 Jan 26 10:20:37 or wherever it mounted Jan 26 10:20:45 should work on mac too Jan 26 10:20:47 Is it true that my N900 can recieve FM radio? Jan 26 10:20:55 yes Jan 26 10:21:06 What do I need to install to make it work? Jan 26 10:21:08 i meant from the n900 side? Jan 26 10:21:11 need an app and you need to have headphones plugged into act as the antenna Jan 26 10:21:16 there's program for that but you still need headphone plugged into headphone jack Jan 26 10:21:25 because of win viruses which copy them self to usb sticks Jan 26 10:21:41 trx2, doubt it, the partition becomes invisible to maemo once it goes into mass storage mode Jan 26 10:21:56 trx2, try lsmod, and find the module responsible for exporting to usb Jan 26 10:22:00 then run modinfo on it Jan 26 10:22:11 it might tell you if you can force read-only mode Jan 26 10:22:27 jonwil, its called "FM radio", it relies on broadcom's bluetooth as FM receiver Jan 26 10:22:29 ill try that, ty Jan 26 10:23:46 so if I plug the headphones that came with my N900 into the jack and install the FM radio app from the repos, I can get FM out of my phone speakers? Jan 26 10:24:37 trx2, modinfo g_file_storage | grep 'ro:' Jan 26 10:24:54 jonwil, yup. I think the app lets you select headphone output or speaker output Jan 26 10:25:01 ok, great Jan 26 10:25:20 (though emphasis on *i think* :) ) Jan 26 10:28:57 <[DrkGUNMAN-N900]> the new cfm radio app allows it too. a lot better sound Jan 26 10:28:57 found it, installing now Jan 26 10:29:09 jonwil, it'll also start bluetooth as a result Jan 26 10:29:24 the one I am installing is called "FM Radio Player" Jan 26 10:30:09 yeah that's the standard one, I have that as well, there's issues with trying to set stations.. I've been looking into ways of dealing with it from command line but to no avail it ignores the contents Jan 26 10:31:01 <[DrkGUNMAN-N900]> i noted more stuttering when switching tasks with that one. cfm radio is more lightweight and no stutter Jan 26 10:31:47 [DrkGUNMAN-N900], got a link for that cfm radio app? Jan 26 10:31:59 Its surprising how many phones have that same Broadcomm Bluetooth/FM chip and dont support the FM part Jan 26 10:32:25 johnx nice, ty Jan 26 10:32:35 one last question tho, how do i set that to true? :) Jan 26 10:32:52 trx2, was trying to find that for a bit Jan 26 10:33:08 modinfo g_file_storage Jan 26 10:33:22 it seems like you'll need to use modprobe alias? *shrugs* Jan 26 10:33:32 I think a script might load that module Jan 26 10:33:37 either at boot or when plugging in usb Jan 26 10:33:38 <[DrkGUNMAN-N900]> its in the extras-devel repo. http://www.my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?name=CFMRadio&fldAuto=2072&faq=34 Jan 26 10:33:41 just got to find it Jan 26 10:33:56 or you can set an option in /etc/modprobe.d/somefile Jan 26 10:34:03 [DrkGUNMAN-N900], ta, looking at it Jan 26 10:34:44 ok, this seems to be working. Its even telling me the name of the song somehow Jan 26 10:34:58 trx2, loaded in /etc/init.d/ke-recv Jan 26 10:35:05 ty Jan 26 10:35:20 so two steps here: 1) back up all your data 2) edit the script :) Jan 26 10:35:36 lol Jan 26 10:35:40 good idea :) Jan 26 10:35:56 jonwil, yeah that uses the RDP, not all FM radio stations have that and it also depends on the reception quality as well Jan 26 10:37:28 Thanks for the help guys, tonight I am going to a big fireworks display (its Australia Day) and they play radio stuff alongside the fireworks on a particular station. And with my N900, I can tune in without having to hope someone next to me has a radio loud enough to hear :) Jan 26 10:37:59 keen Jan 26 10:38:16 heh Aussie day is almost over too :p Jan 26 10:39:29 its only 6:30 here in the west Jan 26 10:39:44 damn two hours behind me lol Jan 26 10:39:47 20:39:45 Jan 26 10:40:24 better make a move and grab a bus into town for the fireworks :) Jan 26 10:41:30 i have one aussie here Jan 26 10:41:34 and he's an idiot Jan 26 10:41:35 or hang a big Aussie flag on yer ute and drive that around :D I saw someone doing that a few hours ago Jan 26 10:41:48 and he's only aussie i know Jan 26 10:41:50 I dont have a UTE :P Jan 26 10:41:55 so therefore 100% of aussies i know are idiots Jan 26 10:42:03 jonwil, lol shame ;) Jan 26 10:42:05 later tonight or tomorrow I continue work on the ICD policy plugins. Jan 26 10:42:10 jacekowski, maybe that says something about you :> Jan 26 10:42:24 and from that i can extrapolate onto whole aussie population Jan 26 10:42:25 jacekowski, well stereotyping working into yer head eh? :) Jan 26 10:42:58 there was couple cute girls from australia Jan 26 10:47:17 gah. why am I still awake Jan 26 10:47:40 you were sucked into the IRC hype ;) Jan 26 10:48:53 I think it has something to do with believing myself when I say "This should only take another couple minutes ..." Jan 26 11:02:29 How to get the n900's keyboard layout work with dosbox? Jan 26 11:04:47 Ex-Opesa: see the thread on talk.maemo.org on the subject Jan 26 11:05:45 pupnik: I am doing that already. Its a 16 page thread, reading and reading. ^ Jan 26 11:06:37 Ex-Opesa: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?s=a776c1d71f8b9275b9f7231658bf69fa&p=437777&postcount=26 Jan 26 11:06:51 that might be the issue you have Jan 26 11:11:27 pupnik; I missed that one. and its #26, dang. Thanks. I will copy that file on my device now. Jan 26 11:14:26 almost deserves its own thread just to be more findable Jan 26 11:15:54 pupnik: Thanks the numbers work fine. =) Jan 26 11:16:37 pupnik: I guess we can add "keyb rover.sys us" in dosbox's config file to automate things right? Jan 26 11:18:12 pupnik: okay it works. Everything is fine. Jan 26 11:18:47 yes Jan 26 11:18:54 :) thanks to javispedro Jan 26 11:19:00 he spent the time to create that keyboard map Jan 26 11:21:26 Indeed. =) Jan 26 11:58:20 Is there any NX Client available for n900? Jan 26 11:58:26 frals, i found out i can manage more than 10% discount on nice hotel if you come, so talk to me before you come Jan 26 12:04:54 does anyone know who actually checks the planet@ email address? Jan 26 12:17:46 Anyone know where HAM's app_install_updates button image is held? Jan 26 12:18:12 Got it. Jan 26 12:26:49 X-Fade: andre__: bugs.maemo.org is 500 Server erroring.... Jan 26 12:27:15 uhm Jan 26 12:27:29 Jaffa: Checking. Jan 26 12:27:59 I asked Ferenc to apply one patch, but that's very likely not the problem :-P Jan 26 12:28:59 (famous last words) Jan 26 12:29:07 Sure ;-) Jan 26 12:30:16 are there python opengl bindings for maemo ? Jan 26 12:30:45 andre__: I think it is. Jan 26 12:31:25 (not it shows a trace "software error" of perl cgi scripts Jan 26 12:31:29 (not == now) Jan 26 12:33:08 (ok it's back) Jan 26 12:37:52 X-Fade, hmm Jan 26 12:38:31 X-Fade, shall I forward the patch to you, or something? Jan 26 12:39:10 andre__: Nah, ferenc has is covered I guess. Jan 26 12:39:20 ok Jan 26 13:13:29 * MohammadAG waves Jan 26 13:15:30 Hey MohammadAG Jan 26 13:15:37 * alterego writes another list delegate. Jan 26 13:32:13 hey alterego Jan 26 13:37:16 Aloha Jan 26 13:38:58 Model view stuff is so much nicer in Qt than Gtk Jan 26 13:42:35 Starting to get a sense of accomplishment now Columbus is kind of where I intended it to be. Jan 26 13:43:32 alterego: which is? Jan 26 13:43:38 i mean, what does it do now? Jan 26 13:43:49 The same it always did. Jan 26 13:43:58 ok, what does it do then? Jan 26 13:44:13 Though with the added trips feature it's a lot more usable. Jan 26 13:44:29 It tries to be a handheld GPS in a similar way to a Garmin Jan 26 13:44:46 hmmm i might have a look, thanks Jan 26 13:45:00 But it also has nice features for streaming NMEA over bluetooth, or act as a usb serial device, can also stream over network. Jan 26 13:45:20 BCMM: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/index.html Jan 26 13:46:45 Think I'll move "Options" into "Tools" as having more than 4 menu items annoys me. Jan 26 13:51:33 Is there an Ovi Suite equavilant for Linux? Jan 26 13:51:51 As far as i see, Ovi Suite doesn't provide a Linux version. Jan 26 13:51:53 baahhahahahaha Jan 26 13:52:06 Linux, what's this "Linux" thing you talk about, noone uses Linux. Jan 26 13:52:23 Seriously. You don't have to treat me as an idiot. Jan 26 13:52:34 j/k Jan 26 13:52:46 i am typing this from Kubuntu :) Jan 26 13:53:03 Arch here. Jan 26 13:53:13 In reality, if you put youself in Nokia's shoes, they will *think* the same Jan 26 13:53:45 I liked the Music Library in the Ovi Suite. Easy managing of my music library too. Jan 26 13:53:47 what they did not realize is that the N900 is a Linux computer and a TON of them will go to Linux people like me who couldnt wait to have Linux in their respective pockets. Jan 26 13:53:53 Tsuyo: is there something specifically yo uwant from Ovi? Jan 26 13:54:09 chx: they did realise that. Jan 26 13:54:15 alterego: uh rly? Jan 26 13:54:27 In fact we were always the target audience up until the N900 Jan 26 13:54:30 chx: This. alterego: Yeah, the music and the contact syncing stuff Jan 26 13:54:52 Tsuyo: Well, contact syncing you can use open sync with a bit of playing Jan 26 13:54:55 I don't get it. Nokia had a gread idea, and is destroying it again. Jan 26 13:55:14 I'll check out open sync. Jan 26 13:55:24 Tsuyo, that's what they do. Jan 26 13:55:31 and Music management, I've not used that in Ovi Suite so I don't know what it's like, but maybe something like rhythmbox? Jan 26 13:55:44 rhythmbox would be great, yes. Jan 26 13:56:04 tbh, I've not used Ovi Suite ;) Jan 26 13:56:08 Not with the N900 anyway Jan 26 13:56:27 I don't want to boot windows, just to update my phone. Jan 26 13:57:22 Tsuyo: amarok is also pretty clever when syncing music to devices Jan 26 13:57:35 piggz: yeah, amarok if you're using KDE :) Jan 26 13:57:42 (he says while listening to music in bangarang ;) Jan 26 13:57:49 Heh Jan 26 13:57:52 xfce4 here. Don't want to download the whole KDE stuff :< Jan 26 13:58:00 I should have a go with rhythmbox and the N900 myself actually .. Jan 26 13:58:27 I think this entry will help: http://wiki.maemo.org/Getting_media_content_onto_your_tablet Jan 26 13:58:45 :) Jan 26 13:59:07 Thing is, I generally use sftp integration in gnome to copy stuff to/from the device. Jan 26 13:59:33 It only gets used in mass storage mode when I'm plugging it into my TV to watch a movie or something that's been recorded on there. Jan 26 14:00:55 same, but with konqueror Jan 26 14:01:04 same but with dolphin :) Jan 26 14:01:12 (if you're doing that and haven't set up SSH keys to do it passwordlessly, do so) Jan 26 14:01:40 One negative point at the n900 is: MKV. Jan 26 14:01:53 There are external decoders, but these are not hardware supported. Jan 26 14:02:06 Also, it can just play videos under the size of the lcd Jan 26 14:03:08 well, i dont use it much for video, that why i have a 40"tv and pch ;) Jan 26 14:05:09 I neither have a 40" nor some kind of DVD Player or a external drive for that. Jan 26 14:05:31 I thought connecting the n900 to my device would replace some kind of these things Jan 26 14:05:34 well. moo. Jan 26 14:05:36 tv* Jan 26 14:05:51 wtf....will.i.am ???? Jan 26 14:07:30 This is why I was saying I only use it in mass storage mode when it's plugged into my TV, because me TV plays media from USB drives. Jan 26 14:07:36 It's not using the AV out cable ;) Jan 26 14:07:49 So I get whatever resolution the video file is in. Jan 26 14:10:10 I think i'm going to buy some kind of a player that can read USB Jan 26 14:10:29 Tsuyo: do you have a games console? :) Jan 26 14:10:32 My xbox does it as well. Jan 26 14:10:36 Nah Jan 26 14:10:42 I still bet on my PC ;) Jan 26 14:10:58 Since i still have one of these big TV's a new console wouldnt make any sence Jan 26 14:11:16 There are some really cool, and reasonibly priced devices that plug into your HDMI port and have USB ports, ethernet, internal harddrives, all sorts of wicked features. Jan 26 14:11:37 Tsuyo: depending on how mush u want to spend, you can get a pch clone for ~£100 Jan 26 14:11:42 Heh, well, if your TV isn't HD, then you might as well use AV if the N900 can cope with it. Jan 26 14:12:36 Tsuyo: check this: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/225049 Jan 26 14:12:50 Tsuyo: that has HDMI out, _and_ svideo Jan 26 14:12:52 Phew. I think buying an XBox and install some kind of modded firmware, would be cheaper Jan 26 14:12:56 So it'll work with older TVs Jan 26 14:13:14 The quality isn't superb though. Jan 26 14:13:29 It claims to handle 720p video well at least. Jan 26 14:14:00 After finishing my school and getting some kind of job, i will buy a HD-TV though. Jan 26 14:14:06 what i use http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/eGreat-NMT-EG-M34A-HDMI-1-3-1080P-HD-Player-/290523250735?pt=Home_Theater_in_a_Box&hash=item43a489002f Jan 26 14:14:16 Does it play mkv files? How about subtitles? Jan 26 14:14:29 Tsuyo: for a bit more this is really good: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/229961 Jan 26 14:14:40 That says it plays full HD mkv files Jan 26 14:14:48 And outputs 1080p Jan 26 14:15:02 So it'll be good even on a nice new HDTV (if you get one that can't do it in the future) :) Jan 26 14:15:41 as does the egreat, but it is also networked and can stream from smb or upnp, shoutcast and a load of other web services Jan 26 14:15:41 Sounds great. I probably get this thing in germany a bit cheaper. Jan 26 14:16:07 piggz: and how much is that? :) Jan 26 14:16:14 This is 50 quid Jan 26 14:16:20 £90 Jan 26 14:16:20 A bleeding bargain :D Jan 26 14:16:28 so, not bad really Jan 26 14:16:36 I suppose not. Jan 26 14:17:11 I think I'll get that for myself for my birthday .. Jan 26 14:17:22 this thing is called "Xenta Full HD MKV Media Player " ? Jan 26 14:17:30 even google shopping doesn't know this thing Jan 26 14:17:31 Tsuyo: yeah Jan 26 14:17:41 Heh Jan 26 14:17:52 i find hd movies need to be on a local drive, streaming hd over my network mostly works, but whenever 'water' is in the scene the netowrk cant handle it Jan 26 14:18:22 Search for: "Xenta RCA L100 Jan 26 14:18:41 alterego: if you do, you will want to find the 'cross-flash' firmware from last year, then you can upgrade to the latest pch-A110 firmware Jan 26 14:18:58 I was talking about the Xenta box Jan 26 14:19:07 :) Jan 26 14:19:15 I've already got a media PC that does network streaming. Jan 26 14:19:16 fair enough, cheap-skate :P Jan 26 14:20:01 Well, it's kind of for my girlfriend, she can't work out how to use my media PC, so having this would mean she can just plugin a USB harddrive and she'd be set. Jan 26 14:20:19 She can't even work out how to use the xbox to play videos, even though I've shown her about twenty times. Jan 26 14:20:37 yeah, ive recommended similar things for friends Jan 26 14:20:59 you can get a full hd usb >hdmi for £20 Jan 26 14:22:44 Sorry, pc freeze :D Jan 26 14:24:22 So, Google doesnt find "Xenta rca l100" Jan 26 14:28:27 :/ Jan 26 14:45:05 fennec is kinda cool, but I scream "Noooooooooo!" when I see the landacape-> portraitanimation when I've accidentally not held my n900 straight Jan 26 14:45:35 scram because I know it'll be 4 minutes until fennec starts responding again Jan 26 14:56:43 Hrm, dee hrm dee hrm .. Jan 26 15:20:39 alterego, I just tested columbus for the first time properly Jan 26 15:20:41 it's awesome! Jan 26 15:20:46 :) Jan 26 15:20:55 Which version? Jan 26 15:21:10 The (slightly) broken one in -devel? (0.9.3) Jan 26 15:21:15 not sure, but I'm in jordan and GPS works a lot better Jan 26 15:21:40 yeah, 0.9.3-1 Jan 26 15:21:49 Cool :) Jan 26 15:22:01 0.9.4 will be out sometime this week, hopefully tomorrow. Jan 26 15:22:15 (I'm trying to do weekly updates as I'm on the sprint to V1 Jan 26 15:40:10 alterego: Columbus? Jan 26 15:41:22 Tsuyo: yeah, it's one of my apps. Jan 26 15:41:30 What does it do ? Jan 26 15:41:37 http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/index.html Jan 26 15:42:06 probably written in ruby, right? Jan 26 15:42:17 No, Qt/C++ :) Jan 26 15:42:43 Ah. Well, i thought it because of rubyx.co.uk :p Jan 26 15:42:51 Working on my first app right now too Jan 26 15:43:16 Well, the domain is inspired by The Ruby Programming Language yes :) Jan 26 15:45:38 MohammadAG: have you played with the waypoints? :) Jan 26 15:46:30 That version is about as useless as the previous versions as far as "navigation solution" is concerned, 0.9.4 has the facilities for storing and reloading trips/tracklogs, so it becomes a lot more usable in regards to being a handheld GPS receiver. Jan 26 15:46:56 alterego: are you using the mobility package? Jan 26 15:47:29 Tsuyo: indeed Jan 26 15:47:41 Wich version? 1.1, 1.1beta? Jan 26 15:47:45 1.0* : < Jan 26 15:47:50 I'm using pretty much every aspect of Qt tbh :D Jan 26 15:48:04 Erm, the version for PR1.3 which I think is 1.0.1 Jan 26 15:48:17 syncig runs pretty well, afaik Jan 26 15:48:29 ThreeM: sygic doesn't do what mine does. Jan 26 15:48:35 Ah, well. Same here. I tryed installing the 1.1 version. But i just got problems with it -.- Jan 26 15:48:36 It's not a mapping program. Jan 26 15:48:56 ahh ok, im just reading the last few lines :) Jan 26 15:49:05 (that's v2) *cough* Jan 26 15:49:52 tbh, I'm just writing the program because I want to do it :) Jan 26 15:50:44 alterego: don't forget waypoint projection ;-) Jan 26 15:51:30 edheldil: ? Jan 26 15:51:40 alterego: columbus is v beautiful..what do you use for the graphs? Jan 26 15:51:58 piggz: I draw them myself, they're all custom widgets. Jan 26 15:52:55 alterego: im writing a gps app atm too, but not a patch on yours Jan 26 15:53:25 alterego: I mean, implement the waypoint projection if you haven't already ... Jan 26 15:53:35 edheldil: what's waypoint projection? Jan 26 15:53:39 it integrates with the everytrail web service to upload/download tracks Jan 26 15:53:47 piggz: neat :) Jan 26 15:56:18 it creates a waypoint or moves the current one specified distance in a specified direction. e.g. 20km in 130 degress Jan 26 15:56:36 alterego: what is the url? Jan 26 15:56:41 Ah, right. Jan 26 15:56:47 No, I don't do that, interesting idea though. Jan 26 15:57:01 What's the use of that then? Jan 26 15:57:50 I am not sure, outside of Geocaching or some other navigation based games Jan 26 15:58:04 Ah, right, that makes sense. Jan 26 15:58:24 I was thinking of doing a geocaching plugin. So that would be a feature for that :) Jan 26 15:58:31 fwiw, garmin has it Jan 26 15:59:10 alterego: sounds lovely :) Jan 26 15:59:29 Actually, something like that would probably be better in the main waypoint UI Jan 26 15:59:39 Thanks for the idea :) Jan 26 16:00:08 np Jan 26 16:03:16 I am not sure what is your target audience, but another option could be displaying/calculating magnetic variation and the likes. I have did st. like that long time ago when I was preparing for sea navigation exam Jan 26 16:04:10 My audience is every one except motorists (i.e. not turn-by-turn) Jan 26 16:04:50 So yeah, sailing, hiking, cycling, skiing/snowboarding all that kind of thing Jan 26 16:05:20 The ida behind columbus v1 is to implement a beautiful gps like a garmin handheld. Jan 26 16:05:28 s/ida/idea/ Jan 26 16:05:29 alterego meant: The idea behind columbus v1 is to implement a beautiful gps like a garmin handheld. Jan 26 16:05:59 Well, beautiful and have features akin to a handheld like a garmin. Jan 26 16:06:23 Columbus is pretty Jan 26 16:06:36 I also do streaming, so you can turn the N900 into a network, bluetooth or usb serial gps dongle. Jan 26 16:06:41 well, the one I did was for educational purposes - displaying true/magnetic north, etc. Not for sailing per se Jan 26 16:07:02 alterego: do you hacve screenshots somewhere? Jan 26 16:07:19 Jaffa: I like to think so, that aspect was because I wanted to see what I could do with Qt :) Jan 26 16:07:39 edheldil: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/index.html Jan 26 16:08:19 There's a few more in the directory if you remove index.html from the url Jan 26 16:09:57 ah, really beautiful, thanks Jan 26 16:12:51 bbiab Jan 26 16:14:13 Jaffa, Ohio? ;) Jan 26 16:15:18 GAN900: ? Jan 26 16:15:28 Ah, nevermind. Jan 26 16:15:34 * GAN900 is rattled this morning. Jan 26 16:16:11 GAN900: Someone reputable whispered in your ear "The N9's going to have a 6502"? Jan 26 16:24:46 Where to find .ipk files for preenv? O_o Jan 26 16:30:30 Ex-Opesa: go away Jan 26 16:30:39 Ex-Opesa: this isn't a warez channel Jan 26 16:31:22 alterego: You mean we have to buy them? :S Jan 26 16:32:42 what's an ipk file? Jan 26 16:32:49 I didn't know that. I have been reading wiki http://wiki.maemo.org/Preenv/FAQ#How_to_install_Preenv.3F Jan 26 16:32:58 You need a) Palm Pre. b) Purchase the games from whatever web os store. Jan 26 16:33:22 lardman: it's the packaging format that Palms' WebOS uses. Jan 26 16:33:31 is that ipkg? Jan 26 16:33:40 Alright Jan 26 16:33:44 lardman: maybe, Jan 26 16:33:52 What's ipkg? :D Jan 26 16:34:02 just remembering OpenZaurus days Jan 26 16:34:13 Ah yes Jan 26 16:34:24 No, this is probably something slightly different. Jan 26 16:35:05 itsy package format, something like that Jan 26 16:35:22 I'm just put off by the 'i' ^.^ Jan 26 16:35:25 basically a deb with a different extension Jan 26 16:35:51 ar wrapper with tar.gz internal data & control files Jan 26 16:35:57 * alterego tries to remember what he was doing. Jan 26 16:36:03 sorry! Jan 26 16:36:52 ipkg is used by openwrt no? Jan 26 16:37:16 yes may well be Jan 26 16:43:45 <[q^_^p]> hi some help to fix camara on kernel-power 46 Jan 26 16:46:07 [q^_^p], some question first? :) Jan 26 16:52:58 <[q^_^p]> andre__ tell me Jan 26 17:07:13 how can I stop the media player treating my ringtones as songs? Jan 26 17:07:24 I keep putting it on shuffle then thinking someone is calling me Jan 26 17:07:49 Hahah Jan 26 17:09:46 heh Jan 26 17:12:04 scoobertron: does not happen here. Music is in ~/MyDocs/.sounds/ and ringtones are in ~/MyDocs/.sounds/Ringtones/ Jan 26 17:12:52 Jaffa: meathead screaming obscenities at me with his kid strapped to his back because he was confused about pricing. Jan 26 17:15:44 andre__: thanks, I will move them there and see what happens. for some reason I don't have the ringtones directory Jan 26 17:16:00 uh Jan 26 17:16:02 (which might explain why I don't have the default ringtones any more Jan 26 17:21:22 heh Jan 26 17:21:40 There are also some ringtones in /usr/share somewhere iirc Jan 26 17:54:32 is there a microB extension that's capable of making Slashdot suck less? Jan 26 17:54:49 (this would mostly involve applying custom CSS) Jan 26 17:55:16 BCMM, You don't need a microB extension - you can just close the browser Jan 26 17:55:48 dneary_: i mean the layout, not the content! Jan 26 17:55:55 they just made stuff worse with a redesign today Jan 26 17:56:35 BCMM: feedingit Jan 26 17:56:59 BCMM, Ah Jan 26 17:57:51 as the old saying goes, never read in a webbowser, what can be read in a feed reader ;) Jan 26 19:00:46 Hi Jan 26 19:03:25 Is it possible to have two X servers? Jan 26 19:03:49 Or ratehr - two X servers on the n900 with maemo and something else? Jan 26 19:04:14 how much you want, google Xephyr Jan 26 19:05:11 SpeedEvil: depends on your "something else" :p Jan 26 19:05:40 johnsq: I was envisioning something like x -- :2 Jan 26 19:05:43 X Jan 26 19:05:47 which works on my deskgop Jan 26 19:06:32 Err - no -- Jan 26 19:06:56 startx -- :2 Jan 26 19:08:56 What's this new-fangled startx? Jan 26 19:08:58 :) Jan 26 19:09:07 Heh Jan 26 19:11:47 clone attack Jan 26 19:12:32 if this was efnet that would get you a temp ban Jan 26 19:19:59 * alterego just wrote a columbus plugin to open your current location in google maps. Jan 26 19:20:07 I should make the plugin interface scriptable .. Jan 26 19:22:02 how the hell do you get my location? Jan 26 19:22:06 * SpeedEvil hides. Jan 26 19:22:23 SpeedEvil: because I've installed spyware into columbus :O Jan 26 19:22:28 Kidding, I mean my location :P Jan 26 19:22:37 So you can always know where I am ^.^ Jan 26 19:22:56 i always know where i am ^.^ Jan 26 19:23:05 at home, in front of my computer Jan 26 19:23:13 Heh Jan 26 19:31:42 anyone with their N900 here? could anyone check if /usr/share/applications/hildon-notification is supposed to be empty? Jan 26 19:31:51 well, it has a single '.empty' file Jan 26 19:33:18 franz_: same here Jan 26 19:33:24 ah, thanks Jan 26 19:49:54 wherever you go, there you are Jan 26 20:00:44 So, I added the ability to open your current gps location in the web browser through google maps. Jan 26 20:00:56 But google maps isn't that great on the N900 Jan 26 20:01:31 alterego: URL? Jan 26 20:02:05 chx: for what? Jan 26 20:02:13 alterego: code? Jan 26 20:03:10 It's a plugin for my app. Jan 26 20:04:03 Well, this is the code that does it: http://pastie.org/1500244 Jan 26 20:09:21 <_prole> can someone tell a noob how to change default translation of the terminal to utf-8 Jan 26 20:09:33 <_prole> please Jan 26 20:29:46 anybody knows lxp's email address? Jan 26 20:30:03 The guy who write the wifi drivers. Jan 26 20:51:18 <_trine> trumee, Jan 26 20:51:33 <_trine> you can probably contact him here Jan 26 20:51:36 <_trine> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=675621 Jan 26 20:51:41 <_trine> hes lxp Jan 26 20:53:10 <_trine> http://david.gnedt.eu/blog/2010/05/25/updated-monitor-mode-patch-for-n900/ Jan 26 20:54:20 _trine: thanks. Jan 26 20:54:58 _trine: i donated to him yesterday, but he hasnt send me the download link Jan 26 20:55:30 <_trine> well I am sure he will he seems an honest guy Jan 26 20:57:26 they all do until they scam you ;D Jan 26 21:08:30 Hey guys, you know what's up when the n900 does this thing that you type, but it outputs the meta-key'd version of the input ? Jan 26 21:09:13 press the function button again Jan 26 21:09:37 Sounds like you've accidentally fn locked it by dounle pressing Jan 26 21:10:58 nope Jan 26 21:11:02 no such thing going on here Jan 26 21:11:09 i'm just typing, and it suddenly does that Jan 26 21:11:38 I find myself typing H3l:o Jan 26 21:11:48 and it's a bit frustrating to notice it after you've sent the message Jan 26 21:15:07 <_trine> hey he has even given his name Jan 26 21:33:31 * timeless_xchat sighs Jan 26 21:33:38 can't perform operation Jan 26 21:33:43 general error Jan 26 21:33:48 * timeless_xchat kicks skype Jan 26 21:45:35 guys, i have received the wifi drivers from lxp and would like to use them with my own custom kernel rather than using kernel power. anybody knows what i should do with compat.tar.gz, compat-wireless-2.6.tar.gz and wireless-testing.tar.bz2 Jan 26 21:48:09 MohammadAG: any idea? Jan 26 21:49:32 alterego, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=929367#post929367 Jan 26 21:49:40 Jaffa, ^ Jan 26 22:28:44 what am i doing wrong? http://www.pastie.org/1500682 Jan 26 22:30:26 is there a include/linux/compat-2.6.33.h file? Jan 26 22:31:27 chx: yes Jan 26 22:32:03 chx: although there is no a/include/linux/compat-2.6.33.h file Jan 26 22:32:16 chx: but -p1 should have got rid of a/ Jan 26 22:32:24 yes Jan 26 22:32:49 * chx nods slowly Jan 26 22:33:05 why line 18? Jan 26 22:33:09 what's line 1-17 Jan 26 22:34:37 chx: this is the patch, http://www.pastie.org/1500712 Jan 26 22:35:26 so the first hunk fails Jan 26 22:35:30 the second file is not found Jan 26 22:35:53 it's unleikly you are in the correc tree Jan 26 23:23:12 korhojoa: you solved your issue with Fn? Jan 26 23:25:20 korhojoa: since 1.3 there's that annoying auto-symbol thing, so maybe you pressed the "e" and 2. "l" to long Jan 26 23:26:22 korhojoa: ...where too long also could mean your N900's clock is running too fast so the timeout for long keypress triggers too soon Jan 26 23:27:41 korhojoa: you are OCing the device? Or have ntpd or similar time adjusting sw running? Jan 26 23:28:05 korhojoa: check your clock Jan 26 23:28:26 korhojoa: (also your internal clock ;-D ) Jan 26 23:51:30 * MohammadAG waves Jan 26 23:57:42 do 3G USB modems work on Linux Jan 26 23:57:48 some do Jan 26 23:57:55 ndiswrapper helps sometimes Jan 26 23:58:17 and is there a way to share a connection via wlan? Jan 26 23:58:26 or ethernet Jan 27 00:01:36 MohammadAG: yes, maybe iptable ? Jan 27 00:01:58 b0unc3, never used it so :P Jan 27 00:03:01 yes you could share them over iptable Jan 27 00:05:12 good evening. does anyone know what can cause the error "Stale NFS file handle" ? Jan 27 00:05:37 you have nfs mounts? Jan 27 00:05:45 (or had) Jan 27 00:05:46 MohammadAG: got any thing to report as far as using Columbus? Jan 27 00:06:06 I'm planning on release 0.9.4 within the next day or two. Jan 27 00:06:07 nothing other than default n900 partitions Jan 27 00:06:12 not even a mmc Jan 27 00:06:13 alterego, it just works, nicely Jan 27 00:06:28 though I would've appreciated a hint that the bottom label is clickable Jan 27 00:06:31 biston, hmm? I don't know of it using nfs by default... Jan 27 00:06:57 MohammadAG: the speed indicator on the track view? Jan 27 00:07:21 alterego, works fine, though I'm not sure if speed was the same Jan 27 00:07:32 but we were doing around 90kmph Jan 27 00:07:48 Did you set it to metric? Jan 27 00:07:51 :) Jan 27 00:08:14 yes :P Jan 27 00:08:30 but i didn't check the car's dashboard Jan 27 00:08:36 Heh Jan 27 00:08:36 biston: it happens when fs on emmc is fubar Jan 27 00:08:43 alterego: that's a good thing Jan 27 00:08:51 alterego: you have that view where it shows you where you were Jan 27 00:09:00 alterego: what about colouring that line based on speed Jan 27 00:09:00 jacekowski: yes Jan 27 00:09:11 jacekowski would e2fsck fix such a problem ? Jan 27 00:09:14 jacekowski: the thought has crossed my mind. Jan 27 00:09:18 biston: no Jan 27 00:09:23 biston: it's time to flash Jan 27 00:09:25 it's quite similar to Nokia's sport tracker for symbian Jan 27 00:09:25 great, then i have to flash, Jan 27 00:09:33 but a lot better Jan 27 00:10:04 MohammadAG: lcuk was talking about nokia push snowboarding earlier :) Jan 27 00:10:17 jacekowski you said emmc ? this can't be coming from rootfs ? Jan 27 00:10:48 biston: well, there is an option that it's coming from rootfs Jan 27 00:11:00 any ways to check? Jan 27 00:11:03 biston: but emmc is more likely Jan 27 00:11:10 MohammadAG: yeah, consider that roll over speed/average/max thing an easter egg in that version. All those indicators do that in the new version :) Jan 27 00:11:20 MohammadAG: you had that stale nfs handle problem Jan 27 00:11:30 yes Jan 27 00:11:40 backup what you can Jan 27 00:11:45 and reflash the eMMC Jan 27 00:11:53 fsck will break things Jan 27 00:11:54 MohammadAG: I'll have to write a little user guide (which is the point of the "Help" button in the about dialog). Jan 27 00:12:33 i guess i'll just reflash everything, along with maemo Jan 27 00:12:42 just to be safe Jan 27 00:13:15 well Jan 27 00:13:20 when you reflash the eMMc Jan 27 00:13:27 you have to reflash the rootfs too :P Jan 27 00:13:35 no you don't Jan 27 00:14:00 yes you do Jan 27 00:14:11 otherwise you lose locales, themes, icons Jan 27 00:14:15 etc Jan 27 00:14:17 The next version will make it a lot more usable, as you can now save and load tracklogs and view statistics. Jan 27 00:14:30 hmm Jan 27 00:15:31 Much better for training :) Jan 27 00:15:56 i like how the compass rotates Jan 27 00:15:57 :p Jan 27 00:16:05 QWMatrix? Jan 27 00:16:18 Yes Jan 27 00:16:40 QMatrix and a QPropertyAnimation Jan 27 00:17:41 I've also come up with how I want to make it portable and how I'm going to implement the meego and desktop versions. Jan 27 00:18:22 reimplement maemo5 widgets as custom classes? :P Jan 27 00:18:32 But that's v2 and I've not got to v1 yet ^.^ Jan 27 00:18:50 Nope, make all the dialogs and menus custom Qml Jan 27 00:19:31 So it'll still have the Qt based views but with an enhanced Qml layer on top. Jan 27 00:19:53 QML, please :p Jan 27 00:19:55 That way I can scrap all the maemo 5 or meego touch rubbish. Jan 27 00:20:08 And maintain a unique UX Jan 27 00:20:13 it's not rubbish Jan 27 00:20:19 it's garbage :p Jan 27 00:20:29 :) Jan 27 00:20:45 So, any ideas, requests, anything? Jan 27 00:20:58 yeah Jan 27 00:21:06 $50, I need to pay infobot Jan 27 00:21:16 :P Jan 27 00:21:24 ~$50 Jan 27 00:21:25 * infobot takes the cash and sucks mohammadag off Jan 27 00:21:34 ~$100 Jan 27 00:21:35 * infobot gives mohammadag full service! Jan 27 00:21:48 Hah Jan 27 00:22:19 I think the only thing that really annoys me, and it's not easy to sort out, is orientation switching. Jan 27 00:22:44 As my widgets became more complex the reshuffling of the UI is quite visible when changing orientation. Jan 27 00:23:00 yeah, that's annoying Jan 27 00:23:51 what's with xchat not showing notifications for pm Jan 27 00:24:19 I have no ideas why xchat doesn't show notifications on my n900 at all Jan 27 00:24:31 it's racist Jan 27 00:24:33 but claims to have loaded the maemo notifier plugin on each start Jan 27 00:24:53 also, your real name on IRC is y Jan 27 00:24:53 * trip0 nods in confirmation Jan 27 00:24:58 never notifies me Jan 27 00:25:00 i have a dumb networking question. why can't i block a whole subdomain in /etc/hosts Jan 27 00:25:06 for e.g. 127.0.0.1 *.adtech.de Jan 27 00:25:25 hosts file do not support filecard Jan 27 00:25:40 it only does 1:1 mapping; to do that you need to run bind or rewrite the resolver Jan 27 00:25:44 wildcard :P Jan 27 00:25:55 hm could dnsmasq do it? Jan 27 00:25:58 MohammadAG, well what's the problem with fake real names on irc? :D Jan 27 00:26:04 yes, wildcard Jan 27 00:26:13 dnsmasq might be able to do it Jan 27 00:26:15 your nick's merlin Jan 27 00:26:25 it's like me saying my real name is hidden Jan 27 00:26:35 the -S flag to dnsmasq might do what you want Jan 27 00:26:54 or -A Jan 27 00:27:05 ds3: thanks, will look at dnsmasq Jan 27 00:27:08 and MrBawb Jan 27 00:27:14 MohammadAG, I have no problem having my real name in the whois in this channel Jan 27 00:27:21 but a few channels I'm in it's not the best idea Jan 27 00:27:36 I'd also like a name lookup to query TWO+ dns providers and report any inconsistency... Jan 27 00:27:37 lemme guess Jan 27 00:27:45 your name is Merlin something Jan 27 00:27:46 right? Jan 27 00:27:47 my github, gitorious, maemo.org profile has the name Jan 27 00:27:48 nach Jan 27 00:27:50 nah Jan 27 00:27:54 [on -A] A common use of this is to redirect the entire doubleclick.net domain to some friendly local web server to avoid banner ads. Jan 27 00:28:03 Martin? Jan 27 00:28:14 and your're 10 years old today! congrats! Jan 27 00:28:21 no, 20 years old! Jan 27 00:28:25 * Mousey can't math Jan 27 00:28:51 Heh Jan 27 00:28:54 nope Jan 27 00:30:55 0x20? Jan 27 00:31:25 Mousey, nice first fail ;) Jan 27 00:31:36 that is so not my last! Jan 27 00:31:43 maemo-flasher supports win x64 ? Jan 27 00:31:48 nope Jan 27 00:32:22 or you are the luckiest person in the world to get it running under win x64 (I tried several times) Jan 27 00:32:34 well YES! Jan 27 00:32:53 i tried it on like 10 pcs, didn't work, only works on mine for some weird reasons Jan 27 00:32:57 reason* Jan 27 00:33:01 and i was wondering why Jan 27 00:33:35 something todo with your usb driver / hw / whatever, on my pcs it fails on finding the usb device Jan 27 00:36:57 /home/user/.config/Unknown\ Organization.conf , anyone else has that file? Jan 27 00:37:23 [General]cache="@ByteArray(\0\0-\xex\xda\x85Z\t|\x94\xd5\x11\x7f\x16\x8a)l#\xa4\x88\x62\x41S\xab\x82\a\xa2\xb4\x1e\xc5\x8an\xee\x83\x44L\"Gj\xd5o\x8f$\x9blv\xe3nB\xd... Jan 27 00:37:23 cache_version=1 Jan 27 00:37:28 O.o Jan 27 00:37:45 nope I don't have that one biston Jan 27 00:38:22 biston: it'll be some 3rd party app that is using QSettings .. Jan 27 00:38:31 completely forgot about /etc/hosts.deny Jan 27 00:40:46 didn't i tell you about it 5 minutes ago? Jan 27 00:40:52 * alterego contemplates the usefulness of the raised parts on the N900 keypad for the blind .. Jan 27 00:41:16 And how do blind people use touch screen phones anyway? Jan 27 00:41:30 [02:27:15] create /etc/hosts.deny and add ALL : .any.domain Jan 27 00:41:34 then i got pinged out i guess Jan 27 00:41:44 alterego, no idea Jan 27 00:41:50 but it works well for me in class :P Jan 27 00:42:18 biston: before that Jan 27 00:43:07 however it doesn't prevent outgoing access to host.domain Jan 27 00:43:50 Heh Jan 27 00:57:24 hosts.deny/allow is only for apps that use that; by default most apps don't. Jan 27 01:24:59 is there any interest in trying to see if stantum's multitouch screen is doable in the N900 (once it's out for the general public)? Jan 27 01:25:55 Sazpaimon: what is the aforementioned? Jan 27 01:26:11 it's a multitouch capable resistive screen Jan 27 01:26:32 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsfxdxmAUoo&feature=player_embedded Jan 27 01:28:51 the prices for Ip capable security cams are pretty funny Jan 27 01:29:29 Sazpaimon: "doable" as in screen replacement? Jan 27 01:29:40 yes Jan 27 01:29:52 assuming it can be hardware compatible with the N900 Jan 27 01:30:04 it seems to use a special chipset though Jan 27 01:31:13 Sazpaimon: huh, how does that work? soft-touch, but works with anything... Jan 27 01:31:35 if that isn't just hype, it has to be an entirely new tech, right? Jan 27 01:31:42 I have no idea, until now I just accepted that it was not technically feasable to have multitouch on a resistive screen Jan 27 01:31:51 but I'm looking right at it Jan 27 01:32:12 mt on r-ts is ooooold Jan 27 01:32:21 it also claims low power consumption.... Jan 27 01:32:28 stantum however did a exceptionally good job Jan 27 01:32:46 it has a worrying lack of downsides... Jan 27 01:32:58 DocScrutinizer: "multitouch on resistive touchscreen"? Jan 27 01:33:40 if the screen is hardware compatible with the N900 and works with the TSC2005 chip, I'd like to try this mod out Jan 27 01:33:51 i however have my doubts Jan 27 01:34:02 by hardware-compatible, you mean physically fits? Jan 27 01:34:05 it might require a completely different controller Jan 27 01:34:23 Sazpaimon: have fun. I don't think this will pan out Jan 27 01:34:39 well .. and you need software which can handle it ... maemo5 certainly not Jan 27 01:34:44 or at least your N900 will look like steampunk then Jan 27 01:34:49 so it is just a resistive touchscreen of superior manufacture? Jan 27 01:35:02 cehteh, writing modules would be the trivial part Jan 27 01:35:17 BCMM: nope, it is actually a modified principle Jan 27 01:35:18 and? .. what then? Jan 27 01:35:39 does that thing have any downsides? Jan 27 01:35:40 fix hildon up, microb, all other apps? Jan 27 01:35:47 it even claimed to be cheap and low-power... Jan 27 01:35:58 BCMM: costs 3 cents more :) Jan 27 01:36:07 hmm Jan 27 01:36:12 jk Jan 27 01:36:13 does it not work with sunglasses maybe? Jan 27 01:36:20 (that's a good subtle failure) Jan 27 01:36:33 cehteh, then i believe it's a matter of porting xi2 gnome to maemo Jan 27 01:36:46 have fun :) Jan 27 01:36:54 (xi2 iirc is the multitouch capable branch of gtk+) Jan 27 01:37:20 BCMM: downside: connection from panel to driver chip is a wide bus Jan 27 01:37:40 you need special driver chip Jan 27 01:38:42 I'll have to look to see when a distributor starts selling these nerby Jan 27 01:39:52 and if they wont physically work on an N900 i certainly have other applications for them Jan 27 01:39:52 Can someone suggest somewhere suitable for me to dump this code for the icd policy modules (somewhere I can then reference from a wiki article about said policy modules) Jan 27 01:42:01 BCMM: see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv3X5y-ajtc (start) for the huge copper flat cable on left long side of screen, and the green PCB holding parts of the driver hw Jan 27 02:29:56 Yo Jan 27 02:31:30 Wow, thats a mess of a topic, no? Jan 27 02:50:11 jonwil: put it on a hosting site with a RCS? like google code, gitweb, etc Jan 27 02:50:38 google code seems to make sense Jan 27 02:50:43 Gitorious* Jan 27 02:50:46 thats a popular site for such hosting Jan 27 02:51:22 oh, I was thinking github Jan 27 02:59:31 Yes! I just managed to run a jumper wire from C4257 to the + terminal of G4210, and it -worked-! Jan 27 02:59:45 My RTC now works with the battery out again! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 27 02:59:57 2011