**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 13 02:59:56 2011 Feb 13 03:10:15 Did Texrat coin Elopocalypse Feb 13 03:11:11 don't know, it could have come from anywhere Feb 13 03:12:32 Elopalypse scans better. Feb 13 03:12:45 SpeedEvil: yeah, it does. Feb 13 03:13:09 Catching up on the news is giving me indigestion. Feb 13 03:13:12 Somebody cheer me up. Feb 13 03:13:28 * SpeedEvil passes GeneralAntilles the happy gas. Feb 13 03:18:53 hahahh Feb 13 03:19:02 Fuck me, I need a day off. Feb 13 03:19:37 * pupnik dcc's GeneralAntilles a rosy-cheeked professional gal Feb 13 03:50:20 * GeneralAntilles should stop posting to Talk from work on the N900. Feb 13 03:50:26 My coherence goes out the window. Feb 13 03:57:52 Shorten that. Feb 13 03:57:58 Stop Talk. Feb 13 04:08:24 zerojay: surprisingly it's better this weekend than it has been in months. Feb 13 04:08:30 zerojay: also: Howdy! Feb 13 04:08:32 How's kicks? Feb 13 04:09:09 Not too bad. I haven't been threatening to jump off the balcony like poor Texrat seems close to doing. Heh. Feb 13 04:11:24 Yeah, he does get wrapped up emotionally in this shit. Feb 13 04:11:43 I should talk, though, I've been on the very edge of throttling somebody at work the past two days. Feb 13 04:12:38 lol Feb 13 04:13:00 MWKN tomorrow is going to be very cathartic, I think. Feb 13 04:13:11 I don't really have the anger and emotion about it because I blasted all of it out back when the Maemo -> MeeGo switch happened. Feb 13 04:13:15 Hopefully Jaffa will be able to trim some of the more vitriolic stuff. :D Feb 13 04:13:30 Yeah, bad enough the bastards put us through THAT mess. Feb 13 04:13:43 But then to lead us around like a bunch of idiots for 12 months. Feb 13 04:13:49 zerojay, Compared the this week, the maemo abandonment was nothing, I think. Feb 13 04:14:17 Ken-Young: When that happened, I knew THIS would happen, it was just a matter of time. Feb 13 04:14:22 At least there were positive possibilities with MeeGo. Feb 13 04:14:34 zerojay, I was more gullible, I guess. Feb 13 04:14:41 I can't believe I didn't see it coming. Feb 13 04:14:47 Self delusion, I guess. Feb 13 04:15:01 Right up until Friday morning I was a believer. Feb 13 04:15:04 Let's see... having the basic message be "we don't want community" from the start was great. Feb 13 04:15:18 Including hiring a community manager that did nothing but push people away. That was pretty cool. Feb 13 04:15:31 GeneralAntilles: at least they led you guys around Feb 13 04:15:46 one of the things noted by he new ceo is an absolute lack of leadership Feb 13 04:16:11 timeless: I'm feeling particularly bad about those people whose livelihoods are going to be screwed with by this. Feb 13 04:16:20 GeneralAntilles: i don't Feb 13 04:16:21 There's leadership - leadership from Redmond. Feb 13 04:16:22 Honestly, it's not like Nokia had a whole ton of choice here if they wanted to even come close to being in the race, but that doesn't mean that I have to like it. Feb 13 04:16:25 finland gets what it deserves Feb 13 04:16:33 stick all your eggs in one basket Feb 13 04:16:37 timeless: hehe, well, they're not all Finns. Feb 13 04:16:41 and some day you're get a mess Feb 13 04:16:58 s/re/ll/ Feb 13 04:16:59 timeless meant: and some day you'll get a mess Feb 13 04:17:03 zerojay: well, I think they had an opportunity to make something happen with MeeGo last year. Feb 13 04:17:10 But I don't know why they squandered that away. Feb 13 04:17:25 GeneralAntilles: management insisted on changing directions a number of times Feb 13 04:17:36 and generally there was no punishment for doing this Feb 13 04:17:42 just 6month setbacks Feb 13 04:17:48 The only way I felt that there was going to be any sort of chance of anything really happening was if they stayed on Maemo and continued on with it. Feb 13 04:17:55 Instead, they threw it all out and started over. Feb 13 04:18:06 i felt that way too zerojay Feb 13 04:18:10 zerojay: power struggles work that way Feb 13 04:18:13 we lost ours Feb 13 04:18:19 my team lost more than most Feb 13 04:18:31 zerojay: Maemo had not long term viability. Feb 13 04:18:37 Then they didn't have anything on the high-end phones.. so they pushed Maemo/MeeGo out into the limelight WAY before it was ready. Feb 13 04:18:47 timeless: hopefully the dinosaurs will die off sooner rather than later. Feb 13 04:18:59 GeneralAntilles: i was initially worried Feb 13 04:19:03 A multi-vendor platform is the only answer to Android. Feb 13 04:19:09 But I always felt that MeeGo being #1 for them was always a stop-gap measure to keep people happy until they had something else. Feb 13 04:19:18 the announcement only showed a couple of casualties Feb 13 04:19:21 zerojay, Well, if they hadn't have pushed it out then, we'd probably have no maemo devices at all. Feb 13 04:19:26 I just never guessed it would have been "use another company's OS", honestly. Feb 13 04:19:26 but i've heard of a couple since the announcement Feb 13 04:19:39 Ken-Young: We already had a Maemo device. Feb 13 04:19:45 zerojay: the os isn't so important Feb 13 04:19:51 it's the ecosystem, which includes a store and apps Feb 13 04:19:54 you guys are the best community though ... Feb 13 04:19:58 remember nokia's store was....Ovi Feb 13 04:19:58 zerojay, But that one wasn't really ready either. Feb 13 04:20:17 They weren't pushing it as the company savior at the time. :) Feb 13 04:20:31 MS's marketplace solves the 'ovi' problem Feb 13 04:20:49 i thought apt-get solved the 'ovi problem' Feb 13 04:20:57 as for apps, i don't think Ovi managed to attract many apps Feb 13 04:21:04 zerojay: yeah, I couldn't have pictured that from Nokia. Feb 13 04:21:07 Can't really picture it still. Feb 13 04:21:10 whereas MS probably has managed more Feb 13 04:21:16 So who's most screwed within Nokia - the Symbian guys, the Qt guys, or the Meego guys? Feb 13 04:21:27 Ken-Young: the symbian guys have been dead for years Feb 13 04:21:31 Probably Symbian most immediately. Feb 13 04:21:34 and if they didn't know that, they deserve what they got Feb 13 04:21:36 for crapps we could get android ones Feb 13 04:21:36 But, yeah, zombies can only be so screwed. Feb 13 04:21:40 SYmbian developers are dead on the inside? :P Feb 13 04:21:54 The Symbian guys couldn't possibly be screwed. They knew it was dead long ago. How they still had 1500 people on it is... just... I can't even think of how that happened. Feb 13 04:21:59 * rm_you now pictures a room of zombies drooling on keyboards in front of monitors with the symbian logo Feb 13 04:22:12 The Qt v. MeeGo question is interesting Feb 13 04:23:27 Qt seems like it has plenty of opportunities outside Nokia. Feb 13 04:23:39 I really wonder what's going to happen to that division, though. Feb 13 04:23:47 Given it's no longer prominent in Nokia's future strategy. Feb 13 04:23:52 * GeneralAntilles sighs. Feb 13 04:23:55 I hate Stephen Elop. Feb 13 04:24:12 KDE's potentially the most screwed victim in all of this, lol. Feb 13 04:24:26 Your moment of zen for the weekend: http://bit.ly/gRZ7DJ Feb 13 04:24:35 zerojay, Why is that? Feb 13 04:24:50 Ken-Young: They rely on QT. Feb 13 04:25:15 zerojay: not really Feb 13 04:25:20 GeneralAntilles: I think that image has been shooped. No huge sweat stains under Ballmer's arms. :/ Feb 13 04:25:22 Qt is open source Feb 13 04:25:32 Yeah, I'm aware. :) Feb 13 04:26:03 zerojay: hehe. Feb 13 04:26:10 1 year till BSD licensed Qt? Feb 13 04:26:26 * GeneralAntilles shudders at the thought of using Android. Feb 13 04:26:47 As an end-user, I like it. Feb 13 04:27:26 GeneralAntilles: join me in putting Gentoo on whatever devices suit me? XD Feb 13 04:27:33 maybe GTA04? Feb 13 04:27:35 When my phone got bricked because my provider sent out a firmware update with a bootloader filled with nothing but FFFFFFF.. I had a hard time going back to using the N900, honestly. Feb 13 04:28:05 I've used Android Feb 13 04:28:09 I hated every minute of it. Feb 13 04:28:52 Google's evil and Android is the black hole of open source. Feb 13 04:29:10 The black hole of open source? How do you figure? Feb 13 04:29:20 Co-opting a whole generation of developers to sink time into an "open source" project that doesn't resemble anything vaguely Open Source Feb 13 04:29:31 When you contribute to Android, you only contribute to Android. Feb 13 04:29:43 All you're doing is enabling Google's advertising machine. Feb 13 04:30:25 GeneralAntilles: sounds like fun Feb 13 04:32:52 There's far too much optimism coming out of people making money off MeeGo for me to take it seriously. Feb 13 04:33:07 Sounds just the same as it did last February. Feb 13 04:33:12 So far that's gotten us exactly nowhere. Feb 13 04:34:12 Maybe that's part of the lure of Android. No longer feeling like you are spinning your wheels. I can tell you one thing, I had no idea what to do with myself when I walked into a cell phone store and actually found accessories for my phone. lol Feb 13 04:35:47 Same thing with the apps. "Oh, this is what it's like to actually get support from companies, not just Nokia begging them to make something for us." Feb 13 04:35:48 GeneralAntilles: I'm borrowing the "black hole of open source" label Feb 13 04:36:23 Android won't ever be as much of a PC in the pocket as Maemo or the N900 was. Feb 13 04:36:37 Gentoo! Feb 13 04:37:10 I think I lost years of my life waiting for stuff in Gentoo to compile, hehe. Feb 13 04:37:41 zerojay: you wait for it? Feb 13 04:38:04 When you compile from stage 1, yes, you sure do. Feb 13 04:39:22 I wonder if Nokia would consider simply providing the binary blobs needed to allow a community port of meego to whatever there highest end WP7 phone is. After all, they might sell a significant number (n900ish volumes) of that phone to consumers who would never consider purchasing it otherwise. Feb 13 04:41:26 Ken-Young: not a chance, especially not with Microsoft involved Feb 13 04:41:51 And wmarone would know. Feb 13 04:42:02 WMArone. <--- :) Feb 13 04:42:15 * wmarone listens to his PlaysForSure music Feb 13 04:42:33 oops, drm server went down Feb 13 04:42:47 failrone. :/ Feb 13 04:46:53 can i get a refund from sellers who bundle windows in germany? Feb 13 04:47:04 wmarone: that's why Google is so much more evil than Apple. Feb 13 04:47:21 Apple doesn't really pretend to be something it's not. You know what you're getting into from the start (unless you're a fool). Feb 13 04:48:14 i'm happy with how unixy mobile devices are in 2010 :) Feb 13 04:48:16 2011 Feb 13 04:51:43 pupnik: well, they're quite unixy but it's irrelevant if the end user can't take advantage of it should they want to Feb 13 04:51:55 yeah Feb 13 04:52:54 could android be modified to be more gnu/linuxy? Feb 13 04:53:15 it could, but that's pointless Feb 13 04:53:22 since doing so would break you away from google Feb 13 04:53:25 and you'll be stuck Feb 13 04:54:28 ? Feb 13 04:54:41 it would suck less... Feb 13 04:55:02 run X11 on another framebuffer... Feb 13 04:55:07 pupnik, It would suck differently. Feb 13 04:55:11 heh Feb 13 04:55:42 woohoo Ron Paul won the CPAC straw poll again Feb 13 04:56:05 pupnik, Those guys are True Believers. Feb 13 04:56:39 no they dis-believe what government tells them :) Feb 13 04:57:20 and that usually gives you a head start on figuring out the truth Feb 13 04:59:00 power and honesty don't go together Feb 13 05:01:46 Hehe Feb 13 05:06:33 “I think we need to make a distinction between two different kinds of searches — informational and commercial,” he said. “If you search ‘cancer,’ that’s an informational search and on those, Google is amazing. But in commercial searches, Google’s results are really polluted." Feb 13 05:06:47 yea we noticed.. Feb 13 05:07:48 Why doesn't Google just blacklist sites like eHow for search? Feb 13 05:08:02 learn to search? Feb 13 05:08:07 you can use "-ehow" Feb 13 05:08:53 Ken-Young: They're supposed to roll out something soon for all that. Feb 13 05:08:58 Most casual searchers won't do that, so they get eHow crap (and other content farms). Feb 13 05:09:26 Ken-Young: they do punish sites that game the search engine Feb 13 05:09:50 pupnik, Not very successfully, it appears. Feb 13 05:10:27 compare "how to do everything" and "how to do everything -ehow" Feb 13 05:10:35 you just need the right search terms Feb 13 05:11:33 So users of Google are supposed to maintain their own lists of crap sites, and disallow them in their search queries? Feb 13 05:12:04 Google's in the middle of working on something to get rid of the content farms from results. Feb 13 05:12:19 Heard it's supposed to be ready soon, but who knows. Feb 13 05:14:34 according to NYT this stuff is ongoing Feb 13 05:17:35 yeah i have that problem at work... we are rewriting search forms and we changed them from "pages and pages of text-boxes for each specific attribute related to a thing" and made it more google-like, in that now it's one box that just searches over all the same information as before, but all at the same time. turns out users are too stupid to understand how to search for things that way Feb 13 05:18:30 they type in "dog" and complain because they get like 10,000,000 results, and the top one isn't "the lifespan of a cocker-spaniel with diabetes", and then complain that our search doesn't work Feb 13 05:19:38 so frustrating Feb 13 05:20:28 rm_you: my roommate types in everything to google as a question in a complete sentence. somehow he manages to get search results that make sense doing it. Feb 13 05:20:57 yeah, i find that works sometimes, not sure how... thinking they just filter like 75% of the search terms that are smaller than four letters :P Feb 13 05:21:21 they don't filter "and" Feb 13 05:21:27 or basically, any word that is an article Feb 13 05:22:01 they used to do that, read on a google blog they no longer filter articles indiscriminately. Feb 13 05:22:16 well, they DO technically filter "and"... it becomes part of the way they run the query, not technically a word in the search :P Feb 13 05:22:31 yeah, i remember when it was impossible to search for "the who" :P Feb 13 05:22:31 yeah, unless you put it in double quotes. Feb 13 05:24:32 have you seen the 'new?' reading-level parameter you can give in advanced search? Feb 13 05:24:55 btw if you need product names with no google hits, i have a couple Feb 13 06:51:14 how sad... i thought i can buy truly good open phone in future, one that fits perfectly with my needs Feb 13 06:55:55 isn't Android supposed to be that? Feb 13 06:56:10 oh... you said good phone, sorry. never mind Feb 13 06:57:23 :P Feb 13 06:58:41 heh Feb 13 06:59:56 well the answer seems to be in devices that are able to run several os'es easily... but that's not going to happen either Feb 13 07:00:26 ketas: there aren't many mobile devices that are able to run several OS's decently Feb 13 07:00:38 well, if there is one, I can't recall Feb 13 07:01:25 because they are locked to one, yes... much more than regular computers Feb 13 07:16:57 bah, still cant find anyone who can help me with testing stuff for my Cell Broadcast SMS work :( Feb 13 07:36:19 good morningstar Feb 13 07:36:40 Ahhahaha http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2888/11x021198h73vx.jpg Feb 13 07:37:06 [Bonus points for sing the original CGA palette] Feb 13 07:37:12 s/sing/using Feb 13 07:37:32 :) Feb 13 07:39:18 I just thought of another reason why the N900 is far better than most of the Android handsets from HTC, Moto etc Feb 13 07:39:31 god, windows logo on nokia device Feb 13 07:39:32 Unlike HTC and Moto, Nokia complied with the GPL and other OSS licenses from day one **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 13 15:40:14 2011 Feb 13 15:47:54 list Feb 13 15:54:53 why is geoclue not available for os2008 :( Feb 13 15:54:59 it's there for 2007! Feb 13 16:18:01 does anybody know how to do recursive grep, but restrict it to only a certain type of file? Feb 13 16:18:13 grep -r "something" . Feb 13 16:18:32 is how its working now, but I would like to restrict that to just *.txt for instance Feb 13 16:19:46 :D sorted, "--include=*.txt" Feb 13 16:23:00 What if I flash n810 with wrong device? Feb 13 16:23:10 otwieracz: ? Feb 13 16:23:31 blah Feb 13 16:23:34 wrong file Feb 13 16:26:22 I don't know what the hell, but my n810 is again in reboot-loop. Feb 13 16:26:35 otwieracz: :( Feb 13 16:27:04 I turned it off, then and and... loop. Feb 13 16:27:25 otwieracz: reflash? Feb 13 16:27:37 Only idea. Feb 13 16:28:02 So sad that meego isn't usable. Feb 13 16:28:15 otwieracz: yet Feb 13 16:28:30 This project is alive? Feb 13 16:28:38 (meego for n810) Feb 13 16:32:56 otwieracz: pull the battery out Feb 13 16:33:15 then pick an image you actually like and arrange to flash that Feb 13 16:35:31 X-Fade: ping Feb 13 16:46:13 <_nicolai_> hey, someone knows what kind of widget, Feb 13 16:46:40 <_nicolai_> the brightness control plugin uses Feb 13 16:46:58 <_nicolai_> for setting the brightness level? Feb 13 16:49:00 bah, GCC is STILL compiling Feb 13 16:49:12 the joys of running Gentoo I suppose :P Feb 13 16:49:52 _nicolai_: no idea, but you could see qwerty12's brightness applet Feb 13 16:50:00 timeless: I have any other options than the newest diablo? Feb 13 16:50:04 _nicolai_: that probably uses the same widget Feb 13 16:51:10 how can I disable the light sensor so I can lock my brightness to one static level? Feb 13 16:51:24 I read about QWB widgets etc but isnt there easyer way Feb 13 16:51:36 I dont have QWB and woudnt like to install it just for it Feb 13 16:51:37 <_nicolai_> Venemo_N900, good idea, ty. Feb 13 16:52:30 kennae: there is a topic on TMO about this Feb 13 16:55:09 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php ← I can choose only from this? Feb 13 16:56:27 otwieracz: you do, but i'd probably stick with that Feb 13 16:58:25 So, newest Diablo... Feb 13 17:14:56 jonwil, gentoo is awesome :) Feb 13 17:15:46 jonwil, i think luke-jr is running it on N900. Feb 13 17:28:05 got the custom brightness to work, impressive Feb 13 17:28:11 thanks Venemo_N900 Feb 13 17:28:27 was easyer than I thought Feb 13 17:28:31 kennae: you're welcome Feb 13 17:30:07 otwieracz: Gentoo Feb 13 17:35:38 is there some kind of gallery for QBW widgets? Feb 13 17:35:44 the thread is huge Feb 13 17:37:10 kennae: no idea Feb 13 17:37:55 well, I dont really need anything Feb 13 17:37:58 just bored at work :) Feb 13 17:38:19 Nwork on a sunday? Feb 13 17:38:20 tsk Feb 13 17:38:22 all I use with my phone is terminal and microb Feb 13 17:38:31 kennae: what's your work? Feb 13 17:38:32 yeah, 12 hours night shift Feb 13 17:38:39 you on irssi now? Feb 13 17:38:42 ye Feb 13 17:38:48 fukin badass Feb 13 17:38:57 MohammadAG: ping Feb 13 17:39:01 Venemo_N900: I sit and browse web Feb 13 17:39:04 i dont get pp. using xchat Feb 13 17:39:09 ppl Feb 13 17:39:09 eat stuff and watch movies Feb 13 17:39:18 kennae: and you get paid for that? Feb 13 17:39:19 been using irssi for 10 years Feb 13 17:39:21 it rapes the screen space Feb 13 17:39:24 Venemo_N900: yes, very good Feb 13 17:39:25 :) Feb 13 17:39:50 im a security guard at a factory gate Feb 13 17:39:50 how do i direct a comment at a person with irrsi? Feb 13 17:40:14 so I can pretty much use my time as I want Feb 13 17:40:17 nothing happens here Feb 13 17:40:43 how do i direct a comment to a specific user Feb 13 17:40:47 on irssi? Feb 13 17:40:54 tell me kennae! Feb 13 17:41:04 what do you mean by direct comment? Feb 13 17:41:09 like query? or notice? Feb 13 17:41:17 notice maybe Feb 13 17:41:30 /notice nick blaablaa Feb 13 17:41:31 where your nick is highlighted Feb 13 17:42:04 you cant highlight others nick if they havent set highlight on for themselves Feb 13 17:42:46 like when ppl respond to my questions my nick is highlighted at the start of the response Feb 13 17:43:28 no magic in it, it does it automaticly if you have set highlight on Feb 13 17:43:29 vi_: like this? Feb 13 17:43:37 YES! Feb 13 17:43:40 kerio Feb 13 17:43:47 vi_: LIKE THIS?! Feb 13 17:43:50 huh... write the first letters and push tab? Feb 13 17:44:00 vi_: lolloo Feb 13 17:44:05 haha Feb 13 17:44:09 new to irssi? :) Feb 13 17:44:13 kennae: woot Feb 13 17:44:22 kennae: eat this! Feb 13 17:44:25 yes, it works Feb 13 17:44:29 :) Feb 13 17:44:34 nice one, thanks Feb 13 17:44:34 have you heard latest intell announcment Feb 13 17:44:43 ehh Feb 13 17:44:52 announcement* Feb 13 17:44:54 does it involve you being a disparaging dick? Feb 13 17:45:31 intel will make meego smartphone Feb 13 17:45:55 will it be called n9? Feb 13 17:46:48 would love phone thats 2mm thick, big screen, able to answer calls and use terminal Feb 13 17:46:51 nothing else Feb 13 17:51:49 oops Feb 13 17:53:06 woot Feb 13 17:53:30 so whos gonnae steal maemo source? Feb 13 17:54:17 kennae: have you got n900 otterbox? Feb 13 17:54:30 jacekowski, you are referring to the poster in MWC? Feb 13 17:54:39 vi_, i have an otterbox. Feb 13 17:55:12 did you ever notice how sexy slim n900 becomes when you unbox it? Feb 13 17:55:29 vi_, yes i did :) Feb 13 17:55:33 vi_: no Feb 13 17:55:35 whats otterbox Feb 13 17:55:48 vi_, it looks fragile Feb 13 17:55:59 otterbox is the best case you can get for n900 Feb 13 17:56:00 never used any boxes for it and its in a good condition Feb 13 17:56:07 kennae, it is a plastic case Feb 13 17:56:16 dont need one Feb 13 17:56:22 with rubber inner layer Feb 13 17:56:34 and really good screen protector Feb 13 17:56:38 vi_, my only gripe is there is no car mount which can take otterbox Feb 13 17:57:14 well some of us just ham fist the shit outta delicate gadgets and need tough armourlite cases for them! Feb 13 17:57:33 surely somthing can accomodate its girth Feb 13 17:57:40 look on fleabay Feb 13 17:58:24 vi_, didnt find anything good. so i remove otterbox when i drive which is a pain Feb 13 18:00:03 guys, http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/13/live-from-an-evening-with-nokia-at-mwc-2011/?sort=newest&refresh=60 Feb 13 18:00:06 too right, getting the case of is harder than getting a blowjob from the pope Feb 13 18:10:30 trumee: still no mention of n9 though... Feb 13 18:10:39 trumee: still no mention of n9 though... Feb 13 18:10:51 what the hell does disruption mean. Feb 13 18:11:23 why all the fart talk about disruption Feb 13 18:12:06 vi_, No new hardware today, they say Feb 13 18:14:01 what a load of ass. Feb 13 18:16:39 a three ass race more like Feb 13 18:19:10 hello Feb 13 18:23:27 does that mean ovi is dead? Feb 13 18:24:10 vi_, yes think so Feb 13 18:24:55 i bet it costs $200k just to get the moulding done for a phone Feb 13 18:25:53 NICE!. "are you a trojan horse" somebody yelled at Flop Feb 13 18:27:15 i know, "I am not Trojan, I am Canadian" Feb 13 18:28:11 "But there's one more that's worth noting. For all of the unique elements that Nokia's contributing, Microsoft is contributing to Nokia substantial monetary value towards Nokia because we're contributing all of these things." Feb 13 18:28:46 WTF did he mean here? Considering that he has just said that Nokia is paying for WP7 licenses? Feb 13 18:29:17 ""When you look at all of the value that we're contributing, the value transferred to Nokia is measured in the Bs, not the Ms." That's billions, not millions, folks." <=== Is he speaking for Microsoft or Nokia? Feb 13 18:29:34 he says tranferred TO Nokia Feb 13 18:29:56 chx: Then "we" are Microsoft? =) Feb 13 18:30:03 Is he working for Microsoft then? Feb 13 18:30:29 interesitng.... Feb 13 18:30:32 need to go alas. Feb 13 18:32:17 dont go, the party justmstarted Feb 13 18:33:28 lol, someone just asked elop if he was a trojan horse at the mwc Feb 13 18:34:44 hahah yeah Feb 13 18:34:46 saw that Feb 13 18:36:42 Yes, yes he is. Feb 13 18:36:48 how did he answer? Feb 13 18:37:13 Someone just asked Elop if he we as Trojan Horse?A: No. But does understand perception. Conspiracy theory bye bye :) Feb 13 18:37:31 Question: were you a Trojan horse? Board of directors reviewed and accepted the proposal #nokmsft Feb 13 18:37:35 ^ from twitter Feb 13 18:37:41 Just because he says he is not, does not mean he is not Feb 13 18:38:10 idd Feb 13 18:38:40 norton pro: are you a virus? Feb 13 18:39:02 doomsday virus: (shifty eyes) um...no..? Feb 13 18:39:26 maybe my skills wont be completely useless http://code.google.com/p/android-lighthouse/wiki/Compile Feb 13 18:39:35 ffs Feb 13 18:39:40 show me some ff Feb 13 18:39:42 ffffff Feb 13 18:39:53 fffff'ing hardware nokia Feb 13 18:43:13 hello? Feb 13 18:45:15 moo javispedro Feb 13 18:46:08 moo Feb 13 18:51:56 what a shit offering at mwc Feb 13 18:52:03 he told us nothing Feb 13 18:52:18 just more ass about how he loves m$ Feb 13 18:52:51 does anyone think they will unveil this magical meego device this mwc? Feb 13 18:54:06 good evening Feb 13 18:54:07 vi take it to #meego-bar Feb 13 18:54:09 MohammadAG: ping Feb 13 18:55:08 pong Feb 13 18:55:09 announcing a meego device right now would be somewhat surprising, but so was the whole sell-out to microsoft so who knows :) Feb 13 18:58:07 the n900 just got better-looking Feb 13 18:59:10 but "The first MeeGo device that will ship this year will take advantage of the Qt framework" Feb 13 18:59:32 this year = december Feb 13 18:59:39 take it to meego bay? Feb 13 18:59:49 take this to meego bar! Feb 13 19:00:07 (i am referring to my anus) Feb 13 19:01:07 MohammadAG: so what is the conscenus on a maemo meego hybrid? Feb 13 19:09:40 every handheld device i buyed got toasted so far .. first the apple newton, now the n900 .. maybe i shall buy a WP7 phone just to enforce its fate :P Feb 13 19:10:09 Ah, Newton. Feb 13 19:10:10 lol Feb 13 19:10:19 That was a bit of genius right there. Feb 13 19:10:33 to early for its time :/ Feb 13 19:10:39 cehteh: hey, I bought a m130 (then m68k handhelds got the axe), then a T|X (then Palm went offline until the Pre thing), then a N810 =) Feb 13 19:10:40 Yeah Feb 13 19:10:44 Newton sucked. But Zoomer was really cool. Feb 13 19:10:53 and no frre os, no good linux conectivity so its rotting away Feb 13 19:11:25 newton was cool in many ways and still some concepts are way ahead of current smartphones Feb 13 19:11:35 global search, assistant ... Feb 13 19:11:45 the awesome gestures and clibboard interface Feb 13 19:12:38 best (but not perfect) handwriting recognition so far (why this got never improved) Feb 13 19:13:54 Seems that handwriting recognition is dead, people prefer virtual keyboards Feb 13 19:14:13 i prefer physical ones Feb 13 19:14:29 sometimes i do .. or hardware keyboads, but the notetaking and sketching app was cool Feb 13 19:14:44 sure, but if you are forced to screen input method.. Feb 13 19:15:00 yeah, then i prefer touch-keyboard Feb 13 19:15:17