**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 23 02:59:56 2011 Feb 23 03:15:00 that's nasty indeed Feb 23 05:10:23 lol n950 without HW keyboard Feb 23 05:14:52 the pics I saw of a possible N950 had a hw keyboard that slides horizontally and vertically Feb 23 05:18:49 Sc0rpius so? Feb 23 05:32:58 Sc0rpius: will it happen? Feb 23 05:33:58 ZogG, I'd say "so?" about your claim too :P Feb 23 05:35:41 you can say "so?" for anything nokia does Feb 23 05:36:44 * ShadowJK is looking forward to the 4-row hw keyboard :-D Feb 23 05:37:11 Feb 23 05:39:23 :) Feb 23 06:55:52 * jonwil wont buy ANY phone without hw keyboard Feb 23 06:56:58 Ok. We are not selling you phones here Feb 23 07:01:24 :) Feb 23 07:07:01 Who said N950 will be without hw-keyboard? It was just an assumption of slashgear article author, wasn't it? Feb 23 07:10:15 that would be pretty stupid Feb 23 07:11:07 any news about wat the patent deal is with microsoft and nokia? Feb 23 08:52:32 does anyone know how to play sound piped from stdin on N810? play-sound only seems to support playing from file Feb 23 08:53:57 /dev/stdin? Feb 23 08:55:34 try play-sound - Feb 23 08:55:39 i mean - as filename Feb 23 08:56:03 tried that already Feb 23 08:56:40 /dev/stdin doesn't give the could not open file error, now I just get "unrecognized audio file format" Feb 23 08:57:54 specifically I am trying to play with espeak on N810 and just using `espeak "hello"` doesn't output any audio, just gives errors Feb 23 08:58:21 Morning, all Feb 23 09:22:48 Is PR 1.3.3.7-6 (20.2010.36-2maemo12 ) the newest cssu? Feb 23 09:23:46 I cant find an update with the application manager, but I thought there was a new version with this rotation bug fix Feb 23 09:24:13 12.1 Feb 23 09:25:05 digitalstimulus, most commands are not tailored to accept binary data through stdin Feb 23 09:28:49 MohammadAG: thx. So I cant get it over app manager / apt-get? Feb 23 09:31:06 you can Feb 23 09:32:05 ok I'll check my repo settings Feb 23 09:40:30 ok I found the update. btw is it possible to enable fapman to do these kind of updates? Feb 23 09:47:29 flexxxv, I suggest not to Feb 23 09:47:56 I was actually thinking of a check in preinst (is fapman running? if so, fail), but I'm not sure Feb 23 09:48:34 For me fapman isn't showing this update Feb 23 09:48:45 good :P Feb 23 09:49:44 what is the problem with fapman? I like it a lot because ist is so much faster... Feb 23 09:50:17 it doesn't handle updates properly, it autoremoves all unnecessary packages by default Feb 23 09:51:55 ok thx. The new cssu is realy nice. now the autoroation is working all right. I'm still hoping for portrait app switcher :D Feb 23 09:52:29 (and hildon home ;) ) Feb 23 09:52:30 well Feb 23 09:52:38 CTRL+SHIFT+Blue arrow + L Feb 23 09:56:12 D Feb 23 09:56:45 Intresting, but now ready for every day use.This is a (for me) new key combo. I only knew ctrl+shift+r. thx. Feb 23 09:57:25 thp, pointed that shortcut out Feb 23 10:00:55 wow, modest is very usable (for reading) using ctrl+shift+blue+L forced-portrait Feb 23 10:03:03 hi people. is posible video calls with amsn ? or other ways or programs ? Feb 23 10:04:30 BCMM, CTRL+SHIFT+R for apps Feb 23 10:04:38 and yes, it is usable Feb 23 10:04:50 the New message button is broken though, and Message details don't show Feb 23 10:04:54 MohammadAG: odd, ctrl+shift+blue+L seems to work Feb 23 10:05:09 that forces rotation without doing anything to that Feb 23 10:05:14 to the window* Feb 23 10:05:22 CTRL+SHIFT+R sets the rotation flag Feb 23 10:05:57 MohammadAG: the "rotation flag" is the X11 window flag saying the window can rotate, right? Feb 23 10:06:04 yeah Feb 23 10:06:15 can it unset it too? Feb 23 10:06:23 same shortcut, CTRL+SHIFT+R Feb 23 10:06:57 heh, you can get microB to show the portrait interface, in landscape Feb 23 10:38:37 after installing the easy-debian image (which did not complete successfully) the file system was set to read only and there were some error messages of attempting to write beyond the end of the device, Feb 23 10:38:45 does this indicate a hardware problem? Feb 23 10:46:34 what does the "is_cool" setting in transitions.ini mean? Feb 23 10:47:25 DocScrutinizer: that thing with my sim card error is happening again Feb 23 10:47:35 well honestly, it never stopped Feb 23 10:47:46 heres my dmesg log: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/343215 Feb 23 10:51:48 BCMM, i have no idea Feb 23 11:01:24 eh.... can somebody explain me why http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/armel/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_armel.tgz no longer exists? Feb 23 11:08:23 asking question on IRC always help me to find the solution myself, new url: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/5.0/armel/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_20.2010.36-2_armel.tgz Feb 23 11:12:01 btw debian-squeeze maemo-sdk package still uses that old url Feb 23 11:14:45 Do the easy-debian images still work for you? Unpacking them on the device fails and causes the filesystem to be remounted read-only and when trying to unlzma either of them on my desktop, I get "lzma: Decoder error" Feb 23 11:18:29 It worked for me. I had to edit the code and extract it -from- the MyDocs -to- the SD card, but it worked Feb 23 11:19:04 Which one did you use? I tried debian-m5-v3e and debian-m5-v3d. Feb 23 11:19:25 Mind, lzma on the N900 is annoying - there's no "output file" option - I had to use the option to pipe it to STDOUT and then do '> /path/to/outfile.img' Feb 23 11:19:30 I've done both Feb 23 11:20:01 I find it strange that decompression on the desktop also fails Feb 23 11:20:28 I checked the md5sums, the downloaded files should be uncorrupted Feb 23 11:28:00 sigh, C is mindfuck Feb 23 11:28:19 * lcuk washes MohammadAG's mouth out with soap and water Feb 23 11:28:21 no brainfuck in mindfuck ;) Feb 23 11:29:19 well, GLib, sorry :p Feb 23 11:29:27 why does this error out? mafw_playlist_shuffle (this->mafw_playlist, GError *); Feb 23 11:30:06 gboolean mafw_playlist_shuffle (MafwPlaylist *playlist, GError **error); Feb 23 11:30:37 MohammadAG, I hope you are passing something into GError Feb 23 11:30:44 and then, hopefully it will tell you the reason Feb 23 11:30:57 error: expected primary-expression before '*' token Feb 23 11:31:00 guess I'm not? :P Feb 23 11:32:39 MohammadAG: the second argument should be a pointer to a GError struct Feb 23 11:33:04 try declaring a GError err; before and then using &err as second argument to mafw_playlist_shuffle Feb 23 11:33:38 oh, wait it expects a pointer to a pointer to a GError Feb 23 11:34:14 so GError * err_ptr; and then passing &err_ptr should work if I understand this correctly Feb 23 11:38:47 oh yay Feb 23 11:38:49 thanks Feb 23 11:39:07 didn't notice the ** part Feb 23 11:57:07 any idea on how may i "disable" Alt+Sym dialog for a certain control (or maybe the whole app)? Feb 23 12:08:05 capture input of blue key yourself? Feb 23 12:08:09 (not sure how) Feb 23 12:11:19 h(ow)tf are MafwPlaylist and MafwPlaylistManager related Feb 23 12:11:20 trx, why do you need to do that out of interest? Feb 23 12:11:47 actually, MafwPlaylist and MafwProxyPlaylist Feb 23 12:11:59 because i have a custom memo control Feb 23 12:12:16 which cant ( dont know why) recieve the input from that dialog Feb 23 12:12:32 so i'll have to recreate it myself for that one control.. Feb 23 12:15:16 that one thing is left for me to fix and the first proper version of TxPad can be released :) Feb 23 12:15:29 now Qt not gtk based :) Feb 23 12:15:52 if anyone even knows about it here :) Feb 23 12:17:15 TxPad? Feb 23 12:17:16 what's that? Feb 23 12:17:38 my code editor Feb 23 12:17:46 for n900 Feb 23 12:17:54 ahh for those that don't use vim ;) Feb 23 12:18:50 i dont like vim so i made my own editor Feb 23 12:23:17 is there a way i can use libconic with qt? Feb 23 12:24:51 nevermind, i should learn to use search better Feb 23 12:34:24 sigh Feb 23 12:34:32 how do I create an instance of MafwPlaylist Feb 23 12:46:23 what was the fix for scratchbox's "tset: unknown terminal type xterm Feb 23 12:46:30 " issue? Feb 23 13:37:26 export TERM=vt102 ?-) Feb 23 13:39:33 old-school knowledge :) Feb 23 14:01:37 xkr47, most likely muscle memory lol ( @ flux ) Feb 23 14:03:19 virtual muscle Feb 23 14:04:44 http://i.imgur.com/TYHiB.jpg n900 abuse (how do people manage to do this?) Feb 23 14:06:16 time for 12648430 ☕ Feb 23 14:07:13 pupnik: ouch Feb 23 14:07:31 ebay auction :) "unit turns on" Feb 23 14:08:36 carried in the same pocket as keys, I guess Feb 23 14:09:03 no, the entire case is bent - person must have thrown it into the ground with all his might - or run over it with a car, or similar Feb 23 14:09:10 mine dropped several times and looks fine Feb 23 14:14:40 I'm temped to bid 5 bucks :-P Feb 23 14:15:20 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nokia-N900-Boxed-NO-RESERVE-Faulty-Spares-Repairs-/140514471796?pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhones&hash=item20b750af74 - broken ribbon? Feb 23 14:15:24 or partly Feb 23 14:20:30 yep, by something scratching the screen backside tin cover. Also he can't make calls might mean SIMlock Feb 23 14:22:03 microb doesn't support xul doesn't it? I can see there's stuff for xul but there's no specific indication of which version does it use. Neither does showpkg show anything about microb-engine depending on libxul Feb 23 14:22:15 SIMlock is burried somewhere in cmt FW, and the flag setting it is in a config area inside cmt that's not cleared when reflashing cmt FW Feb 23 14:23:38 psycho_oreos: that's a question clearly best addressed to timeless_office Feb 23 14:24:32 DocScrutinizer, because he works/used to work at nokia or something? Feb 23 14:24:50 because afaik he wrote microB Feb 23 14:24:55 ahh Feb 23 14:26:12 thanks, well I'll try pinging him if he's around Feb 23 14:27:20 the E7 and "N9 prototype" are so great looking... wish they'd get something out the door Feb 23 14:27:59 the e7 is out the door Feb 23 14:29:19 sorry i meant the 'meego' e7 style thingy Feb 23 14:30:03 a new device program a la "the OS isn't ready yet, but you can work on it" would be awesome Feb 23 14:31:30 um, does anyone know which key is the blue arrow? Feb 23 14:32:11 The one with the blue arrow on it. Feb 23 14:32:27 it's on the left side... Feb 23 14:32:28 seriously Feb 23 14:32:48 i mean like its a representation of which key Feb 23 14:32:58 AltGr, right alt, etc Feb 23 14:33:23 now is there any youtube video of Gaddafi clown performance with decent subtitles? (I love to listen to his أكره هراء جنون العظمة voice, but alas I don't understand it Feb 23 14:33:47 ) Feb 23 14:33:54 most news sites have the video with a translator over the top Feb 23 14:33:56 DocScrutinizer: thanks Feb 23 14:34:02 ;--) Feb 23 14:35:09 trx: there's an x program that helps you see that Feb 23 14:35:51 xev Feb 23 14:36:23 i actually need which shift modifier is applied when i press "blue arrow" + some key Feb 23 14:36:24 which is the best/newest Android port for N900? xMasDroid, NITDroid Gingerbread or something else? Feb 23 14:36:34 blue arrow = 227 Feb 23 14:36:41 but i have no use of that information Feb 23 14:36:49 pupnik ill look into it, ty Feb 23 14:36:57 for e.g. if i press left alt, xev returns keycode 64 (keysym 0xffe9, Alt_L) Feb 23 14:37:04 trx: well, if you want a computer analog, then it's a bit like the Fn key on a laptop Feb 23 14:37:37 trx: for keymap purposes you can probably consider it kind of like altgr though Feb 23 14:37:59 tried altGr with no luck :( Feb 23 14:39:08 trx: well, it isn't altgr... I only meant it is mapped to a similar level-shift modification of the other keys Feb 23 14:40:03 villager: we knew that thanks Feb 23 14:41:08 AltGr is keycode 108 (keysym 0xfe03, ISO_Level3_Shift) Feb 23 14:45:25 pupnik: if trx knew, maybe he should have made it clearer? anyway... looks like the rx-51 keymaps refer to it as right-alt Feb 23 14:46:22 nice, ty villager Feb 23 14:46:49 i saw that, its not right alt Feb 23 14:47:11 at least on non hildon level i dont recieve right alt Feb 23 14:47:22 but it's officially a "Fn" key, they just use the ralt_switch semantics Feb 23 14:48:17 trx: what are you using to test? Feb 23 14:48:37 keyboard is quite messed up, from matrix to blue key to NK-Enter bug Feb 23 14:48:41 custom qt app Feb 23 14:51:15 esp the matrix is a riddle to me, why it's so fsckdup weird Feb 23 14:51:33 speaking of the keyboard, is there a way to configure it to require two Fn key-presses before Fn lock is released? Feb 23 14:51:45 hahaha Feb 23 14:51:54 that would be very handy when, e.g. entering ip adresses Feb 23 14:52:44 you bet it would be, also controlling indicator LED to show current state of qualifier(-lock) would be nice Feb 23 14:53:10 hmm, let me guess, the keyboard drivers are part of the closed portion of maemo? Feb 23 14:53:15 trx: how are you trying to find the keycode then? Feb 23 14:53:50 dschoepe: It seemed to me like that's the case, though I never checked Feb 23 14:53:50 i dont need its key, the key is 227 Feb 23 14:54:02 i need to know which shift state it represents Feb 23 14:54:18 trx: ISO_Level3_Shift? Feb 23 14:54:47 trx: isn't there a lengthy comment somewhere in rx51-keymap or what it's caled? Feb 23 14:55:50 trx: I'm sure you are aware of the wiki howto for changing keymaps Feb 23 14:56:12 yes Feb 23 14:56:29 check the files referred there, they have info Feb 23 14:56:40 ill check that again Feb 23 14:57:11 trx: ISO_Level3_Shift happens to be mapped to Mod5 on my device right now, fwiw Feb 23 14:57:36 ok, ty Feb 23 14:57:42 ill give it a try Feb 23 15:04:28 SpeedEvil: you in uk? this is a good deal http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nokia-N900-Mobile-Phone-/160550435747?pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhones&hash=item25618d3ba3 Feb 23 15:09:02 Hello all ! Feb 23 15:09:23 has anyone written anything for doing online directory lookups on whoever's calling (so I know whether it's a telemarketer etc), or would I have to write it myself? Feb 23 15:10:46 pupnik: I already have one Feb 23 15:10:51 great... i get no shift modifier at all Feb 23 15:11:11 ill have to manualy create it.. Feb 23 15:12:45 i guess its only a key and hildon does the rest manually Feb 23 15:16:23 trx: kbd has multilayered drivers cooking and mangling things in several ways. In all OS I checked so far, it's a PITA Feb 23 15:17:26 it really is a PITA :/ Feb 23 15:21:02 seriously, it takes me one whle day of reading docs and manpages, each time I try to wrap my head around how *exactly* input in linux works Feb 23 15:21:39 oke guys.... Feb 23 15:21:42 http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/problems_running_qmake_inside_scratchbox-and_outside/ Feb 23 15:21:59 possibly another two until I found out about mayor diffs between specs/docs and reality ;-) Feb 23 15:22:11 so, why in gods name don't we have binary qmake for arm arch? Feb 23 15:22:49 yeah, i never manage to stay focused when i try to work that out, i get frustrated and just skip it.. Feb 23 15:23:00 now its only thing left i have to do it :/ Feb 23 15:23:09 it's the only* Feb 23 15:24:00 excuse my english btw.. Feb 23 15:24:55 nm Feb 23 15:26:54 on a sidenote that's the perfect explanation why I never made it to check if those parts are blobs or foss in maemo Feb 23 15:27:24 wouldn't even know if I'm looking for the right thing Feb 23 15:28:03 :) Feb 23 15:31:05 dschoepe: one thing's for sure: the blue+ctrl function has to be rather low in that driver stack, and it's for sure giving you layering hell to call ind-LED in a compatible way, from that (probably kernel-)level of the input processing stack Feb 23 15:31:56 s/blue+ctl/blue|shift-double/ Feb 23 15:32:47 Is there a mechanical sketching program for n00? Feb 23 15:32:51 ^9 Feb 23 15:33:02 umm Feb 23 15:33:09 it would be really nice if there is some kind of signal i can send to hildon or w/e is controling the symbol dialog Feb 23 15:33:09 like in CAD? Feb 23 15:33:13 yes Feb 23 15:33:20 and tell it not to show up :/ Feb 23 15:37:48 SpeedEvil: a ice-to-have yet unheard Feb 23 15:37:58 nice-to* Feb 23 15:38:30 had sth like that on palmpilot Feb 23 15:39:06 even with dimension-values Feb 23 15:40:43 lol http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12554499 Feb 23 15:41:54 "In some circumstances it renders the phone completely unusable and can't be restored to a previous version," COOOOL Feb 23 15:42:14 original M$ crap Feb 23 15:42:50 * alterego chuckles Feb 23 15:42:59 condolences Nokia for that technology partner Feb 23 15:43:19 one of the cool things about the n900 is the ability to recover from various states, imho Feb 23 15:43:19 I think Nokia will test the updates first anyway ;) Feb 23 15:43:30 k Feb 23 15:43:30 sure!!!!!!! Feb 23 15:43:39 I've heard Windows Phone 7 have neither flash nor HTML5 what kind of crap is that Feb 23 15:43:51 "bricked" mine by doing something stupid with the kernel, no problem, reflashed kernel... Feb 23 15:44:02 BCMM_: definitely, unfortunately this is probably something that Nokia won't add to any other handsets outside maemo/meego .. Feb 23 15:44:02 First WP7 phone is OTA 900 surprise! Feb 23 15:44:22 DocScrutinizer: I doubt the ctrl-sym key needs to be deep in the driver stack, it can be intercepted on the X level (for a system-wide intercept, XGrabKey() can be used) Feb 23 15:44:29 BCMM_, do you really think normal people could do that? Feb 23 15:44:51 lcuk: you mean do something stupid with the kernel, right? Feb 23 15:44:53 villager: I meant the sym-lock / shift-lock Feb 23 15:45:04 BCMM_, recover from such an error Feb 23 15:45:05 i mean, it's safe to play if you're bright enough to play Feb 23 15:45:05 Quim said something interesting on the meego forums, he seemed to imply that the next device will be capable of running a complete foss distro (though he added there may still be a few closed components) Feb 23 15:45:24 Which makes me think it probably wont be a phone, he skirted round that issue somewhat Feb 23 15:45:34 linux should not laugh at Windows until Linux is strong and does not require incantation of ancient runes. Feb 23 15:45:35 DocScrutinizer: ok... well I think that's a feature that can be enabled in regular desktop X servers too... Feb 23 15:46:00 lcuk: but that is what makes it so fun! :D Feb 23 15:46:00 is the n900 not capable of "running" a totally free distro, if you didn't need X and phone calls? Feb 23 15:46:43 BCMM_: well, maybe, but sgx is closed also, so the device would be pretty limited, that and wifi/bluetooth firmware etc. Feb 23 15:46:51 villager: the problem is not about enabling the feature, it *is* enabled. The question is where to tweak things to change/augment the behaviour Feb 23 15:47:33 alterego: huh, is firmware a big deal? is it licensed so as not to br redistributable? Feb 23 15:47:55 i mean, firmware is an open hardware rather than open software issue Feb 23 15:47:59 BCMM_: dunno :) Feb 23 15:50:33 the eten Glofiish M800 had a nice way this locks worked. They actually flashed the LED when it's locked, and lighted steady when it's just a sticky qualifier for next keypress (I.E. *not* doublepressed). To lock AND unlock you had to doublepress the qualifier key, and a single press just inverted state for next keypress. Exactly what dschoepe(?) was asking for, and what I suggested since 12 months Feb 23 15:51:06 [16:31] Is there a mechanical sketching program for n00? <-- like package "atlc" ? Feb 23 15:51:54 http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=atlc Feb 23 15:51:59 Gives no hits Feb 23 15:52:03 DocScrutinizer: yes, that is exactly what I want (except for that I don't care much about the LED displaying it) Feb 23 15:52:32 it is a normal debian package Feb 23 15:52:33 dschoepe: it's mad usefull to not lose "sync" with state :-) Feb 23 15:52:36 Oooh! Feb 23 15:52:39 http://atlc.sourceforge.net/ Feb 23 15:52:45 Is really, really cool looking. Feb 23 15:52:55 Though completely unrelated to my actual question. Feb 23 15:53:05 Arbitrary transmission line calculator. Feb 23 15:53:19 Transmission lines, including directional couplers, of arbitrary cross section and an arbitrary number of dielectrics can be analysed with atlc. The impedance Zo of a two-conductor transmission line, as well as the odd-mode, even-mode, differential mode and common mode impedances of a directional coupler can all be computed with atlc. Tools to both analyse and synthesise directional couplers are available. atlc is primarily a UNIX or linux progra Feb 23 15:53:53 umm, I know what's a transmission line ;-D Feb 23 15:53:59 well you said something "mechanical" Feb 23 15:54:30 Yes, I know, but it does a bit more than that. Feb 23 15:54:31 i had no idea what do you meaned "something mechanical" so i came up with that Feb 23 15:54:41 Completely arbitrarily shaped is rather different. Feb 23 15:55:54 oh, mechanical sketching as in diagrams/blueprints Feb 23 15:56:18 i thought it was something to do with nonphotorealistic rendering Feb 23 15:56:20 that sort of thing, yes Feb 23 15:56:32 you know, faux pencil sketches, drawn by a machine... Feb 23 15:56:42 (TL) btw another nice effect in antenna design usually not taken into account. Antennae are one huge cluster of TLs Feb 23 15:57:08 incl cabling and driver output circuitry Feb 23 15:58:11 admittedly those TLs are usually next to zero for their transformation function quality Feb 23 16:00:32 * DocScrutinizer wonders idly if atlc can also calculate acoustic TLs Feb 23 16:01:16 I saw the modeling of a human circulatory system the other day as transmission lines. Feb 23 16:01:45 Including diagnosing circulatory problems by looking at the pulse-shape inv arious preripheral vasculature. Feb 23 16:01:48 what's a human circulatory system? The blood thing? Feb 23 16:01:51 yes Feb 23 16:02:01 hehe nice Feb 23 16:03:48 analyzing the finite-pulse-response (hehe) of that TL and deducing the TL's parameters from it Feb 23 16:04:01 nifty Feb 23 16:07:00 DocScrutinizer: that thing with my sim card error is happening again Feb 23 16:07:04 well honestly, it never stopped Feb 23 16:07:07 heres my dmesg log: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/343215 Feb 23 16:07:57 mc_teo: I checked that dmesg and can't find any related stuff in it Feb 23 16:08:13 well ive tried many sim cards in it Feb 23 16:08:45 and all give same error Feb 23 16:09:48 my phone has been on for a few hours now, shall i post dmesg log again? Feb 23 16:10:45 new log: http://paste.pocco.org/show/343367/ Feb 23 16:11:17 sorry: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/343367/ Feb 23 16:13:54 I see a lot of strange mess regarding WL1251 and regulatory (US) in there, but still not a single line regarding modem Feb 23 16:15:15 i only flashed it recently Feb 23 16:15:29 DocScrutinizer: interestingly, according to a t.m.o thread, the stickiness of the n900 lock keys are handled in a gtk input method (plugin), not in the X server or driver stack... wonder why nokia did that... Feb 23 16:16:05 interesting Feb 23 16:16:08 and havent done anything with wireless drivers, since two flashes ago Feb 23 16:16:37 anything i could do to make some SIM card related entries appear? Feb 23 16:17:28 sorry, I don't know (not done much of diving into that topic yet) Feb 23 16:17:33 maybe ask SpeedEvil Feb 23 16:18:01 iirc he had similar problem Feb 23 16:18:17 SpeedEvil: are thou present? Feb 23 16:18:19 also ShadowJK Feb 23 16:19:25 okay, thanks Feb 23 16:19:39 mc_teo: are you using global firmware? Feb 23 16:20:53 there've been several reports about issues with modem, when using US firmware version - iirc Feb 23 16:21:39 Should libqt4-dev contain working qmake? Mine reports "bash: /usr/bin/qmake: No such file or directory" When in fact the file exists and it is a binary: "/usr/bin/qmake: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, stripped" Feb 23 16:22:16 otoh the US vesion might come with a special cmt FW version that tries to fix issues specific to US fubar'ed GSM bands and protocols situation Feb 23 16:22:42 ...Despite the "catastrophic" damage, one of the film's operating assumptions is that defeat is avoidable as long as the adversary cannot impose its "will" on the United States... Feb 23 16:23:56 DocScrutinizer: i flashed it with Global firmware yes Feb 23 16:24:07 RST38h: now that's a really non-thrilling one Feb 23 16:25:08 mc_teo: so - assuming you live in USA - it might be worth to give US version a try (if there's such a thing like US version, which I'm not sure about) Feb 23 16:25:45 DocScrutinizer, nah, I live in Ireland Feb 23 16:25:52 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin is the one I used Feb 23 16:26:04 ooh, so never mind Feb 23 16:26:05 and RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin before that Feb 23 16:26:10 mc_teo: About what? Feb 23 16:26:29 my SIM Card isnt being read Feb 23 16:27:09 mc_teo: I'vehad occasional SIMproblems - but they seem to now have gone away for no reason at all. Feb 23 16:27:09 when turning n900 on, it takes ages to load, (>3 x usual time) Feb 23 16:27:42 I would suggest you clean the SIM contacts with a pencil erasor, or similar. (on the SIM itself, and really gently on the n900 Feb 23 16:27:43 and then gives an error, that all communication have failed, and rebooting might solve the problem Feb 23 16:28:20 i first got this on the 4th of Feburary Feb 23 16:28:23 doesn't rubber produce static when rubbed against the plastic bits of a SIMcard? Feb 23 16:28:34 nah Feb 23 16:28:42 and have trying different SIM cards too Feb 23 16:29:18 the "blue" erasers with fine sand are ok for this Feb 23 16:29:54 and glas fibre erasers as well, if used gnetly Feb 23 16:30:04 gently* Feb 23 16:31:59 just turning it back on Feb 23 16:32:11 also xou can check if the SIM holder contacts have enough force and are protruding from plastic far enoiugh and equally. You can adjust this by **carefully** bending these srings outwards a bit Feb 23 16:32:17 i know by the time it remains inresponsive that it wouldnt work Feb 23 16:32:38 springs* Feb 23 16:33:22 "All telephony functions, including emergency calls, are disabled due to a communication error. To recover, you might have to reboot the device" Feb 23 16:34:23 lemme put it this way: the holes in the thin steel SIM holder are there for a reason, the spring contacts should reach out through the holes when no SIM inserted Feb 23 16:34:32 just a little bit Feb 23 16:35:32 yeah, either your SIM incl contacts etc has a problem, or your modem firmware or hw has some defect Feb 23 16:35:44 you can reflash the modem firmware Feb 23 16:36:46 there might have been a weak block in modem's flash storage that lost a few bits, so reflashing FW might actually help Feb 23 16:36:49 DocScrutinizer: well i have tried different SIMs Feb 23 16:37:07 mc_teo: Where in the world are you? Feb 23 16:37:11 Ireland Feb 23 16:37:14 ireland Feb 23 16:37:41 mc_teo: diff SIMs of diff carriers? Feb 23 16:37:54 no, but i can try? Feb 23 16:38:22 there are known cases where a whole series of SIM was flawed Feb 23 16:39:09 yeah, my one is a few years old. 6 or more Feb 23 16:39:26 i tried it with a new one, just taken out of packet in shop, same thing Feb 23 16:39:30 I'd not expect that problem with Nokia, but anyway - try a different carrier Feb 23 16:40:12 and reflash cellmo FW Feb 23 16:41:07 mc_teo: northern, or southern? I'm unsure fo teh warranty in southern. Feb 23 16:41:15 Southern Feb 23 16:41:53 yeah, i got it from o2 directly, but use meteor Sim in it Feb 23 16:42:11 warranty in roi is the same as northern, nokia's warranty covers the whole of europe Feb 23 16:42:52 my das takes care of all the phones in the company so he me n900 at a discount, so i dont know much about where it was bought Feb 23 16:43:07 dad* Feb 23 16:43:10 flasher --flash-only=cmt-or-whaever Feb 23 16:43:23 and same problem with o2 sim card Feb 23 16:43:41 and i tried it with a Three Sim card there a few days ago Feb 23 16:45:05 mc_teo: the key word in that error msg is "incl emergency" Feb 23 16:45:26 mc_teo: even with no SIM at all the modem shall support emergency calls Feb 23 16:45:44 this looks like a cmt FW or HW defect Feb 23 16:45:55 or a fsckdup libisi Feb 23 16:46:37 reflash the cmt FW! Feb 23 16:49:04 okay Feb 23 16:49:20 so reflash the model firmware? Feb 23 16:49:24 modem* Feb 23 16:50:20 how can i see corrent argv for --flash-only? Feb 23 16:52:47 README in tgz Feb 23 16:53:08 this it? http://maemo.org/packages/view/cmt-firmware-rx51/ Feb 23 16:53:28 Valid --flash-only options: Feb 23 16:53:28 nolo, kernel, initfs, rootfs, cmt Feb 23 16:54:59 should i use the root file system one, or the SSU one? Feb 23 16:55:19 uh, what? Feb 23 16:55:22 i presume, the former Feb 23 16:55:32 MohammadAG: http://maemo.org/packages/view/cmt-firmware-rx51/ Feb 23 16:56:09 Valid --flash-only options: Feb 23 16:56:10 nolo, kernel, initfs, rootfs Feb 23 16:56:16 ummm Feb 23 16:56:37 oops, late Feb 23 16:59:36 mc_teo: there has to be a lengthy thread on tmo about recovering cmt from flashing that leaked pre-PR1.2 Feb 23 17:02:13 I didn't do any inter-region firmware flashing and had that "All communication disabled" thing. Sent it to nokia, got a new device after 4 weeks Feb 23 17:02:37 yeah, the lady in the shop said i should do that Feb 23 17:03:16 and that they could repair it to a higher standard than i could Feb 23 17:03:19 :( Feb 23 17:04:11 DocScrutinizer: I ususally dont like venturing into Talk.maemo.org Feb 23 17:04:17 i dont like the search Feb 23 17:05:37 the search of vBulletin® Version 3.8.2 is a bad joke Feb 23 17:05:38 i don't like the lengthy threads Feb 23 17:06:21 is there some way i don't know about of finding out which posts have content and which ones rephrase a question from the original post or simply bash/praise nokia, before reading them? Feb 23 17:06:38 it needs slashcode-style moderation or something... Feb 23 17:06:53 yep Feb 23 17:07:03 insta-ban off topics Feb 23 17:07:08