**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 08 02:59:57 2011 Mar 08 03:01:50 wonderful to see albions 3d engine zip along on device Mar 08 03:35:30 pupnik: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/jrbme/bme_discharge_learn_log Mar 08 03:36:44 DocScrutinizer: i discharged then connected. device started doin many strange things Mar 08 03:36:53 short red led blinks Mar 08 03:37:03 ouch Mar 08 03:37:04 then restarts to grey screen Mar 08 03:37:13 then restarts to white screen Mar 08 03:37:24 looping restarts about 30 min Mar 08 03:37:46 connected charger Mar 08 03:38:03 charging works fine when booted normally Mar 08 03:38:33 I think that's a result of a depleted battery plus a charger with high impedance/low power Mar 08 03:40:18 could be the dodgy usb Mar 08 04:20:01 DocScrutinizer: whastcha listenin to Mar 08 04:20:32 err? Mar 08 04:26:24 music, podcasts... Mar 08 04:29:20 http://www.kaosradioaustin.org/node/34712 real democratic revolution (anti US) vs fake democratic revolution (staged by us) Mar 08 05:21:30 has anyone tried installing mafw on a PC? Mar 08 06:14:51 why someone do not edit wikipedia article for maemo? Mar 08 06:15:00 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo Mar 08 06:15:16 for example it says "discontinued, now part of MeeGo" Mar 08 06:16:34 i have not enough knowledge and not much familiar with wiki Mar 08 06:29:45 you guys up iptables or thought much about securing the n900? Mar 08 06:30:30 dont want to sound like an ass but asks the guy who is logged in as root into irc? Mar 08 06:31:24 It is a VM, no sweat Mar 08 06:31:33 besides, Stallman ran as root ;] Mar 08 06:50:45 ~ping Mar 08 06:50:46 ~pong Mar 08 06:55:55 http://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/08/nokia_microsoft_deal/ <-- hmm Mar 08 07:05:04 ruskie: everybody kinda suspected this Mar 08 07:05:48 except that it will not make WP7 suddenly not suck Mar 08 07:05:59 true Mar 08 07:06:16 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/08/microsoft_mobile_marketshare_slips_further/ <-- here's the other relevant news ;) Mar 08 07:06:48 Yeah, also knownnews Mar 08 07:07:05 As well as the fact that WinMo 6.x sells more devices than WP7 Mar 08 07:09:23 bother to summarize in one short sentence? Mar 08 07:10:43 Doc: Summarize what? Mar 08 07:11:14 Jaffa: here? Mar 08 07:11:17 the 'news' of M$ nokia deal Mar 08 07:12:37 Doc: MS paid Nokia $1b to make it "choose" WP7 Mar 08 07:13:11 lol Mar 08 07:13:16 Nokia will still pay licensing fees on WP7, per handset, but that is in the future. Mar 08 07:14:11 Some MS ghoul quoted as being "very happy" about the deal. You can cry now. Mar 08 07:14:19 * DocScrutinizer51 makes mental note to check his virtual Nokia shares Mar 08 07:14:24 that is not a problem for Nokia. They will not pay much for licensing anyway :-) Mar 08 07:17:54 endgadget just called Meego, "Intel's MeeGo OS"... snif snif! Mar 08 07:18:04 Is it not? Mar 08 07:18:18 it's just sad :-! Mar 08 07:18:42 why someone do not edit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo ? for example it says "discontinued, now part of MeeGo". I don't have enough knowledge and not much familiar with wiki Mar 08 07:18:47 Looking at the size and ubiquity of Intel, it is probably not sad. Mar 08 07:22:21 maemo declaring its own death on wikipedia is sad though Mar 08 07:35:31 DocScrutinizer51: it's kinda weird since maemo is still so much better than alternatives Mar 08 07:35:42 anyone here have any pending flights in the next couple of weeks? Mar 08 07:35:55 i've got way more useful stuff on the n900 than on the android tablet Mar 08 07:36:08 more games too, better games Mar 08 07:36:12 why timeless_xchat Mar 08 07:36:34 i want to test a tool that deals in amadeus references Mar 08 07:36:45 (n900) Mar 08 07:37:13 amadeus, how you'd access that? Mar 08 07:37:28 * timeless_xchat shrugs Mar 08 07:37:32 not my tool Mar 08 07:37:57 oO Mar 08 07:39:15 wouldn't you at least need h-e-n, an ethermet adapter, and a hub, to wiretap the terminal in terminal? Mar 08 07:39:44 at terminal Mar 08 07:40:12 ??? Mar 08 07:42:01 I thought amadeus is a closed system managing all the checkin and baggage and tickets and flight schedules and and and... Mar 08 07:42:43 I finished flashing my N900 to PR1.3, but I see in the list of installable applications pyqt 1.2 . is something wrong? Mar 08 07:42:54 probably some ticket resellers may access parts thru a web interface Mar 08 07:43:09 *shrug* Mar 08 07:43:18 this app clearly has a gateway Mar 08 07:43:27 i've used it before Mar 08 07:44:11 gateway == HTML via the internets I gather Mar 08 07:44:40 HTTP even Mar 08 07:44:45 1) Any idea why it's not possible to take a photo while speaking on the phone 2) What's the logic behind keyboard behaviour in application menu? Mar 08 07:47:07 #1 is because you cant play the shutter sound at the same time as call audio Mar 08 07:47:09 ~lart rhkfin Mar 08 07:47:09 * infobot wallops rhkfin with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long Mar 08 07:47:10 isn't there a PR1.3 of PyQT? Mar 08 07:47:43 jonwil: I have the shutter sound disabled.. Mar 08 07:47:50 no idea then Mar 08 07:47:58 pupnik: ? Mar 08 07:48:16 but I do know the law in some counries makes it illegal for cellphone cameras not to play a shutter sound Mar 08 07:48:34 rhkfin: 2) is answered on MHD wesite Mar 08 07:48:49 DocScrutinizer51: ok, thanks (will go to find what's MHD ;) Mar 08 07:49:20 rhkfin: see my tools website, there's a link Mar 08 07:49:25 jonwil: yes, I've heard that too, but maemo seems to allow disabling it anyway Mar 08 07:49:26 DocScrutinizer51: ok Mar 08 07:49:30 http://wiki.maemo.org/Modified_Hildon_Desktop Mar 08 07:49:40 pupnik: thanks! Mar 08 07:49:46 np Mar 08 07:50:02 basically qwer/asdf/zxcv are graphically mapped to the icons Mar 08 07:50:37 ah, right.. Mar 08 07:50:48 bs goes up one menu, if you got catorize or apmefo Mar 08 07:51:08 hey, that's great! Mar 08 07:51:21 same works on appswitcher Mar 08 07:51:47 plus there you can close apps with shift+key Mar 08 07:51:53 awesome! Mar 08 07:52:13 What's the place I should've read to learn this? Mar 08 07:52:39 my user?joerg_rw/tools wikipage Mar 08 07:53:13 there's a link to matans site Mar 08 07:53:23 and a video :-D Mar 08 07:54:08 docscrutinizer, typically, yes Mar 08 07:55:19 is MHD installed by default or does it come with CSSU? Mar 08 07:55:29 cssu Mar 08 07:56:00 docscrutinizer : any way to scroll? Mar 08 07:56:22 scroll? on HD? Mar 08 07:56:43 the launcher Mar 08 07:56:53 none I know of Mar 08 07:58:32 I'd prefer a cursorkeys based highlighting frame rather than - or additional to - this graphic mapping Mar 08 07:58:41 +1 Mar 08 08:03:35 use apmefo to have short menues Mar 08 08:03:49 one thing I'd miss is that pressing ctrl+bs in task switcher would take me to app list Mar 08 08:04:09 I see that I can change the behaviour of ctrl+bs, but that's permanent.. Mar 08 08:04:27 nah, maybe enter or space Mar 08 08:05:03 ctrl-bs is already used for swapping aps like alt-tab on 'real' PC Mar 08 08:05:42 On desktop, left top takes you to task switcher, where left top button takes you to app list. On desktop, ctrl+bs takes you to task switcher - it'd be very logical if I could 'continue' from there to app list.. Mar 08 08:06:03 matan told me something about F9 or whatever Mar 08 08:06:27 maybe that's been for menues *in* apps though Mar 08 08:06:45 ok.. Mar 08 08:07:11 honestly MHD could use some streamlining Mar 08 08:07:27 well, I'd be happy with _any_ button to take me from task switcehr to app list, now that I can use keyboard on app list.. Mar 08 08:07:39 yep Mar 08 08:08:08 \o/ Left and right arrows change desktops in the home screen. Mar 08 08:11:05 and bs in applauncher menu brings you 'up' to taskswitcher - redundant function but well Mar 08 08:11:28 why is it redundant? Mar 08 08:11:39 what we'd need would be bs in taskswitcher to bring you to desktop Mar 08 08:11:49 .. bs doesn't take one... exactly my point. Mar 08 08:11:55 ctrl-bs does same Mar 08 08:12:14 ah, right... Mar 08 08:12:27 (but doesn't take one again back to app list ) Mar 08 08:13:38 that's the problem: desktops, aplist, and app menues Mar 08 08:13:57 yes, moving between those three Mar 08 08:13:59 and cursor keys to move a highlight Mar 08 08:14:03 yes Mar 08 08:14:07 (incl. scrolling down) Mar 08 08:14:31 morning all Mar 08 08:14:53 enter down, bs up. space for select Mar 08 08:15:15 quick diff question, I've generated an almighty diff of the Samsung kernel patches, is is possible to split this into individual patches which are placed in their original dir structure? Mar 08 08:15:23 or s/up/out/ s/down/in/ if you want Mar 08 08:15:38 DocScrutinizer51: yes Mar 08 08:16:13 in to applauncher, out back to taskswitcher and then to desktop Mar 08 08:16:34 +1 Mar 08 08:17:54 Hmm.. I didn't try taking photo using blessN900.. that might work.. Mar 08 08:18:03 (or maybe it's more low level :/ Mar 08 08:18:07 well, we could handle desktop and launcher like tasks Mar 08 08:18:13 (taking photo during a call, I mean) Mar 08 08:18:30 DocScrutinizer51: interesting idea! Mar 08 08:18:47 * jonwil hopes we dont have to wait months to hear from qgill in regards to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11128#c8 :P Mar 08 08:18:49 Bug 11128: Opening the source for Sharing services framework Mar 08 08:19:00 should be simple to start a desktop proxy task Mar 08 08:19:13 and a launcher proxy task Mar 08 08:26:20 I gather taskswitcher has to be open, otherwise Matan couldn't have patched it. So it shouldn't be too hard to patch it some more to have at least 2 mini screens always even without any started task: desktop and applauncher Mar 08 08:26:47 agreed Mar 08 08:36:51 well, a desktop proxy task would work as well. On selecting it, it just switches desktop to front immediately (and takes a snapshot of desktop to display in its own window, so you get a small image of desktop in taskswitcher - though I'd prefer a very obvious simple icon over a real desktop snapshot. Like e.g a lemon-green square with a white D in it) Mar 08 08:38:00 I have no idea how the task switcher works but could one have two icons on the top/bottom/left/right that'd take you to desktop or app list? That'd keep the actual task list clean for apps Mar 08 08:38:50 err, you already got one icon top left Mar 08 08:39:24 the problem is you can't select this icon right now, while tasks you can select with several methods Mar 08 08:39:41 right Mar 08 08:39:51 actually 3 methods, one of then working for icon as well :-D Mar 08 08:41:16 you might consider "background" as the second icon Mar 08 08:42:24 true.. Mar 08 08:42:58 not very easy to find for new users (neither is ctrl+bs ;) but that's not a huge issue, I guess.. Mar 08 08:43:33 trx: hey, any progress on compiling your project? Mar 08 08:47:35 DocScrutinizer51: has someone tested&reported if you scripts (wiki/joerg/tools) work on PR1.3 Mar 08 08:47:38 your Mar 08 08:48:49 well, most of that went into CSSU anyway, except of course for the cmdline things that for sure work on 1.3 as well Mar 08 08:49:45 MHD for example works with PR1.3+ CSSU just like it did for my tweaked 1.2 Mar 08 08:50:25 keyboard CR issue seems to be fixed as well, so that's also void Mar 08 08:51:26 key-repeat wwwwwwwwworks also :-D Mar 08 08:52:42 how come there are still packages in the extra repo with 1.2 version? are they ok to run with PR1.3 sys? Mar 08 08:52:46 I just would like to tweak the chars/s setting for key-repeat Mar 08 08:53:03 prolly they are Mar 08 08:55:56 Morning Mar 08 09:07:00 morning Mar 08 09:43:00 whats up guys Mar 08 09:43:20 following http://wiki.maemo.org/Port_an_existing_Debian_package should be good enough to get tmux on maemo? Mar 08 09:49:11 synergy running on fremantle would also be nice, i'd like to easily control the n900 with laptop keyboard Mar 08 09:49:35 hmm I thought that was already around Mar 08 09:50:39 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46557 this doesnt seem to gve much hope Mar 08 09:51:11 oh wait http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=513740&postcount=33 gives hope :) Mar 08 09:51:21 so, i just got a new toy Mar 08 09:51:31 and well, it's pretty amazing how one can screw up the home screen Mar 08 09:52:02 timeless_office: what toy is that Mar 08 09:52:06 n8 Mar 08 09:52:28 * timeless_office needs to look for en-us firmware to see if it sucks less Mar 08 09:53:10 does it actually do anything other than looking shiny? Mar 08 09:54:06 it looks like crap Mar 08 09:54:07 photos coming Mar 08 09:54:41 "A California couple whose wedding plans appeared thwarted when a lung infection landed the groom in the isolation ward of a hospital were married over the weekend, in a ceremony conducted over Skype." Mar 08 09:54:49 Sounds like an episode of House. Mar 08 09:55:03 heh Mar 08 09:55:40 lol Mar 08 09:56:01 timeless_office, you mean it doesn't look as shiny as this: http://events.nokia.com/nokian8/home.html ? Mar 08 09:57:13 Morning, all Mar 08 09:57:18 AsiQue: pong Mar 08 09:57:26 Morning! Mar 08 09:57:39 morning Jaffa Mar 08 09:58:18 lets say morning... Mar 08 09:59:37 ruskie: this is what i saw when i reached the home screen: http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/n8/source/20110308_001.jpg Mar 08 10:01:46 timeless_office, hm Mar 08 10:02:04 the page offers wrong mime type when you try and view full/raw image Mar 08 10:02:18 and downloads as binary text Mar 08 10:02:42 (right click, view image) Mar 08 10:02:50 so that I could scale it Mar 08 10:04:07 lcuk3: :) im with you on that, but obv a tad lazier to have typed it up here Mar 08 10:04:26 lcuk3: the web page is magical Mar 08 10:04:50 you can use ?raw=1&ctype=image/jpeg if you want something else Mar 08 10:05:45 thanks for the workaround timeless_office \o Mar 08 10:06:04 btw, that occured on mozilla firefox from a mozilla server ;) Mar 08 10:06:18 good pt Mar 08 10:06:30 damn i feel like yesman Mar 08 10:06:56 :) Mar 08 10:07:13 lol Mar 08 10:07:14 macmaN: wana give me like 1500000$? Mar 08 10:07:20 timeless_office, now I also have to rotate laptop! :P Mar 08 10:07:48 what is wrong with the homescreen ? Mar 08 10:08:09 Cor-Ai: yeah just as soon as one of my 15000000 invoices have been paid Mar 08 10:08:14 lcuk: do you usually write her€ ? Mar 08 10:08:42 it's actually closer to herε Mar 08 10:08:43 macmaN: :0 Mar 08 10:09:10 lol timeless_office - clipping captions is all the rage Mar 08 10:09:19 it has gone from me getting shouted at it for years Mar 08 10:09:25 but now it is fashionable ;) Mar 08 10:09:50 lcuk: wp7 does it in a way that teaches you that areas are pannable Mar 08 10:09:57 that doesn't apply her! Mar 08 10:10:18 you can't see the 'e' properly, and it isn't better in landscape in case you were wondering :) Mar 08 10:10:26 timeless_office, what happens if it is pannable but with a short caption? Mar 08 10:10:52 generally it shows you extra things that come from adjacent views Mar 08 10:11:13 I know Mar 08 10:13:27 Hey Jaffa, 1 sec Mar 08 10:16:16 lcuk; the short answer is that wp7 just gets that stuff right Mar 08 10:30:52 Jaffa, i want to tkae bug 11990... Mar 08 10:30:54 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11990 resize patch against PR1.3 hildon-home Mar 08 10:31:21 AsiQue: Are you the person who's been attaching better patches to it? Mar 08 10:31:39 no... Mar 08 10:32:42 AsiQue: I suggest you add some comments to the issue then, commenting on the patches pk attached and offering to polish them up into a merge request. Mar 08 10:33:27 ok :-) Mar 08 10:40:37 is it possible to install git on n900? Mar 08 10:40:42 enough room on rootfs? Mar 08 10:41:10 hmm there is no git-core package even it seems Mar 08 10:41:18 there is git available somewhere iirc Mar 08 10:41:35 and remember /optification... Mar 08 10:41:51 I think it's in the sdk tools repository Mar 08 10:42:22 ruskie: optification meaning apt-get or having to repackage or what Mar 08 10:42:26 some apt-get magic switch* Mar 08 10:42:44 gentoo portage seems so much better right now than apt :) Mar 08 10:43:11 optification meaning that stuff gets modified and installed to /opt and then symlinked to rootfs Mar 08 10:43:33 there's a few tools for it out there Mar 08 10:43:34 mhm, i did that manually for git on openwrt Mar 08 10:43:48 iirc maemo-optify Mar 08 10:43:58 which hav maemo-optify and maemo-optify-deb that works directly on debs Mar 08 10:44:31 okay Mar 08 10:44:33 thanks Mar 08 10:44:50 I had git installed at some point on N900 Mar 08 10:45:01 * FauxFaux has it installed; used for backups. Mar 08 10:45:23 no idea where did I find it if not from repositories.. Mar 08 10:46:54 the sdk repos probably Mar 08 10:47:03 i use it for /etc management Mar 08 10:49:11 maemo-optify-deb? o.O Mar 08 10:49:33 well ill be damned Mar 08 10:49:42 so is there a maemo-UNoptify-deb as well? Mar 08 10:50:03 By default, the N900 sets a random MAC address for the USB interface every time you reboot. This makes some operating systems (Mac OS X) detect a new device whenever you connect the N900 and ask you to configure the network interface. The solutions is to set a fixed MAC address Mar 08 10:50:12 this has been driving me bonkers Mar 08 10:50:43 you are macman Mar 08 10:50:52 talking about mac addresses Mar 08 10:50:54 from your mac Mar 08 10:51:14 I would have thought this was your ideal time to shine! Mar 08 10:51:32 eating BigMac Mar 08 10:52:09 lcuk: lol im sitting behin my mobile puter right now Mar 08 10:52:31 which is an acer timeline Mar 08 10:53:08 my maccy is on standby http://osxdaily.com/2010/12/11/mac-setups-stand-up-mac-workstation/ Mar 08 10:53:37 if i didnt join this channel just today, i could claim that irssi shot on the right is #maemo Mar 08 10:54:37 ok madde resetting itself to 192.168.2.15 is annoying as hellz Mar 08 10:54:50 macmaN, I find standup desks only work if you also have a wall to lean against Mar 08 10:55:08 rm_you prototyped this once. Mar 08 10:56:19 lcuk: my experience is you need a switchable setup, so you can alternate, something like 30min/30min or whatever cycle Mar 08 10:56:22 sit/stand Mar 08 10:56:29 wall could also work, havent tried that Mar 08 10:57:33 random MAC addr on USB? LOL - OM fixed this like 3 years ago Mar 08 10:57:39 macmaN, you need room to move around certainly Mar 08 10:57:59 in other places with standup stations, also having coffee and food service helps Mar 08 10:58:39 (on the other side of room) Mar 08 11:01:06 >> This is not a spam If you don’t want to receive this message to your e-mail, call this number and refuse it - spell your e-mail<< Mar 08 11:02:35 + 1 - 646 - ... somebody to give this guy a visit and let him know? Mar 08 11:08:12 :) Mar 08 11:11:57 lcuk, i know you are always testing the last Meego version on your n900, did last version have fixed wifi settings ? Mar 08 11:12:13 i didn't found that on the qa report Mar 08 11:12:15 s Mar 08 11:13:55 khertan, which bug number was the bug marked as? Mar 08 11:14:06 and if you say "I did not file one" I cannot help Mar 08 11:15:31 khertan, so grab latest daily testing image and check, wifi works for people, but if you have specific issue, get it filed so the right people can track/manage it Mar 08 11:22:52 hey khertan, I've been looking for you :) Mar 08 11:23:40 lcuk, didn't remember the bug number but was already referenced ... :) so i ll try myself :) thx for the info Mar 08 11:23:48 OK So I've hung on to the belief that Nokia went for this WP7 deal to get $1bn... keep the Symbian end a-float a bit with something new... and eventually get back around to MeeGo one day... basically use-n-abuse MS as a commercial decision only to stop claims Nokia/Symbian aren't going anywhere... Mar 08 11:24:03 khertan, https://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=wifi Mar 08 11:24:04 * khertan never found something with bugzilla search Mar 08 11:24:07 But now they've sold Qt... so if they were serious with MeeGo in the future, surely they'd hang on to it? Mar 08 11:25:32 khertan, how hard would it be to make KhtEditor run C files? Mar 08 11:26:36 Venemo, run c file ? Mar 08 11:26:46 you mean compile them before and then run them ? Mar 08 11:26:47 Lantizia: they sold Qt? Mar 08 11:26:54 Lantizia: are you sure? Mar 08 11:27:04 or are you just copying slashdot and other not-so-well-informed sources Mar 08 11:27:06 Lantizia, they didn't sold qt Mar 08 11:27:20 slashdot & friends have trouble reading Mar 08 11:27:21 Lantizia, they sold the right to do commercial support to digia Mar 08 11:27:47 basically, anyone wanting to use Qt, but cant/doesnt want to use the open license Mar 08 11:28:09 mostly medical, military etc Mar 08 11:28:13 e.g. who wants someone they can sue Mar 08 11:28:20 its not about the sue Mar 08 11:28:21 or needs commercial support Mar 08 11:28:33 its about some lines of business not being able to open source Mar 08 11:28:56 err Mar 08 11:28:59 that only applied to GPL Mar 08 11:29:07 Nokia already licenses Qt under LGPL Mar 08 11:29:18 thats still too open for some lines of business Mar 08 11:29:18 Well I did read it correctly but seriously if the ability to license it has been sold, the 19 employees have moved, the existing enterprise customers have gone... what's left? Mar 08 11:29:28 Nokia hosting the code, oh and maybe a trademark Mar 08 11:29:38 Lantizia: all qt development remains at nokia Mar 08 11:29:45 as long as you don't make changes to Qt itself, you generally don't need to worry about the license of your code for just linking to Qt(LGPL) Mar 08 11:29:50 Lava_Croft, development of Qt can be done by anyone Mar 08 11:29:50 well, not all, but mainly it does Mar 08 11:30:03 timeless_office: that still is not enough for some lines of business Mar 08 11:30:20 im not trying to defend the stance, but thats just how it is in the world Mar 08 11:31:16 Plus... Nokia have had Trolltech a long time now... why wait until after the WP7 deal to do this? Mar 08 11:31:26 Lantizia: but nokia wants to do it themselves too Mar 08 11:31:35 Lantizia: they didnt 'wait' Mar 08 11:31:39 Lava_Croft, do what themselves? Mar 08 11:31:42 they have been looking for a good company to take it over Mar 08 11:31:49 Lantizia: developing qt Mar 08 11:31:58 digia is iirc also a finnish company Mar 08 11:32:16 so these 19 employees aren't what is left of the Qt team then after the walk outs? Mar 08 11:32:36 i dont know any numbers about employers Mar 08 11:32:40 i dont have access to such data Mar 08 11:32:59 lcuk, something i didn't understand is the difference between trunk and testing ... are there a real difference ? Mar 08 11:33:09 http://www.rethink-wireless.com/2011/03/08/nokia-sells-bulk-qt-business-digia.htm Mar 08 11:34:27 lantizia: they're basically PSO / Sales Mar 08 11:34:38 i dont see how that article is any good Mar 08 11:34:44 or better than the other 5000 articles Mar 08 11:34:52 at least its not saying that nokia sold qt, so good link Mar 08 11:34:59 fair enough - the way that article reads it is as though it is as a result of the WP7 deal Mar 08 11:35:02 khertan, only in the place in the pipeline Mar 08 11:35:06 Lantizia: but its not Mar 08 11:35:09 ok Mar 08 11:35:14 they have been looking for a company to take over since 2010 Mar 08 11:35:17 all the year Mar 08 11:35:27 and probably planned it before than Mar 08 11:35:29 that* Mar 08 11:35:35 it kind of makes sense too Mar 08 11:35:43 khertan, Testing branch is like having a fistula on a cow Mar 08 11:35:44 the stuff they sold to digia isnt really a nokia business Mar 08 11:35:51 you get to see the patches and work as it is ongoing Mar 08 11:35:51 not a core business Mar 08 11:36:02 no I gathered that when they bought trolltech Mar 08 11:36:03 and they didnt sell it to some random company merely to get some $$$ Mar 08 11:36:32 qt will still remain a factor for nokia in the future, i personally think Mar 08 11:36:41 whats the recommended way to add/remove a new nameserver in pcsuite-enable.sh/disable.sh Mar 08 11:37:20 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking says add them manually, but it seems that all lookups will timeout on local dnsmasq for a long time Mar 08 11:37:25 before hitting the next option Mar 08 11:41:22 khertan: yes. compile, copy the executable to /tmp and run Mar 08 11:50:17 Venemo: i want my N810 back now ;( Mar 08 11:50:23 LjL: ? :P Mar 08 11:50:30 Venemo: gave it to my sister :P Mar 08 11:51:17 told her to make sure she plays Puzzle Master a lot as it was basically ported specifically for her :D Mar 08 12:03:20 LjL: hehe :P Mar 08 12:03:54 LjL: did she like it? Mar 08 12:04:10 Lava_Croft, so do you suspect this Nokia/MS arrangement is as water tight as the Apple/MS arrangement back in the 90's? Take them for their money, look a bit stronger because of it... revert back later? Mar 08 12:04:19 LjL: did your sister like the N810 Mar 08 12:05:25 Venemo: yes i think she quite appreciated it. of course she isn't yet fully aware of the slowness of the browser and other things :P (i'll just make sure she never uses my Android phone so she doesn't find out =) Mar 08 12:05:53 on the plus side compared to an Android tablet, i think she might like the telepathy functionality Mar 08 12:06:02 Android's chat applications are terrible Mar 08 12:07:02 LjL: :) Mar 08 12:11:19 ok yeah its confirmed Mar 08 12:11:31 synergy on n900 is pure awesomeness Mar 08 12:12:45 macmaN: synergy as in sharing a keyboard and mouse? Mar 08 12:12:54 Lantizia: no Mar 08 12:13:00 so khertan, how hard would it be to do this? Mar 08 12:13:01 yessir Mar 08 12:13:11 cool...! Mar 08 12:14:22 macmaN: any thread link orso? Mar 08 12:14:41 Lava_Croft: for setting it up? Mar 08 12:14:56 theres a package in the repos? Mar 08 12:15:05 no Mar 08 12:15:08 aw Mar 08 12:15:13 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=513740&postcount=33 Mar 08 12:15:18 apt-get install libxinerama1 Mar 08 12:15:27 and then copy easydebian's binary Mar 08 12:16:06 its v1.3.1 and i noticed synergy has picked up development again Mar 08 12:16:12 moved to synergy-foss.org and all Mar 08 12:16:17 newest is 1.4.2 beta Mar 08 12:16:29 the new interactive configurer is pretty nice on windows (QT power!) Mar 08 12:16:34 dragndropping screens around Mar 08 12:17:09 how do you make synergyc autostart on n900 Mar 08 12:18:02 theres no /etc/init.d/local.start Mar 08 12:24:04 hrm yeah a cursor would definitely help.. Mar 08 12:24:09 esc doesnt clear menus Mar 08 12:24:15 enter brings up virtual keyboard.. Mar 08 12:24:36 screen switches off Mar 08 12:25:05 and damn i just tried to touchscreen my laptop Mar 08 12:25:09 * macmaN needs a break Mar 08 12:38:41 yey my first maemo wiki contribution http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=N900_USB_networking&diff=42472&oldid=41627 Mar 08 12:39:14 Venemo, better providing a custom command line ... Mar 08 12:39:19 in preferences Mar 08 12:39:26 with a set by language ? Mar 08 12:39:58 khertan: why? Mar 08 12:42:46 Venemo, because compilation option aren't the same for all project Mar 08 12:43:04 maybe a project file could be good tooo Mar 08 12:48:14 khertan, "make" Mar 08 12:55:07 khertan: if (projecttype == "C") { callCCompiler(); runCCode(); } Mar 08 12:55:18