**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 09 02:59:57 2011 Mar 09 03:08:12 hello ! uys can someone help me please ? I was doing an apt-get update + upgrade on debian chroot and the phone turned off and now it seems a bit screwed up Mar 09 03:08:26 so what is the script to chroot from a terminal ? Mar 09 03:11:21 debian I guess Mar 09 03:21:04 do someone know if I can enlarge the file ? I guess I got out of space ... "-rw-r--r-- 1 user root 2147483648 Nov 29 03:55 /home/user/MyDocs/debian-m5-v3e.img.ext2" Mar 09 03:47:05 woo putty + ssh + screen on e71 :D Mar 09 03:47:46 Could the battery be dead? Mar 09 04:49:19 good morning Mar 09 04:50:20 morning Termana Mar 09 06:11:15 What did the Dalai Lama, say to the hot-dog man? "Make me one, with everything" Mar 09 06:34:36 http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Enterproid-for-Android/ <-- interesting solution I wonder if it could be done on the N900 using chroots/pivot_root Mar 09 06:59:03 morning all... does someone here used the resize icon / widgets hildon home and can remember if when setting a small size for bookmarks the text disappeared? Mar 09 07:00:48 MohammadAG: ping Mar 09 07:03:55 ruskie: i don't see a clean way to do that aside from a dual-boot with one OS using encrypted storage Mar 09 07:04:15 total rat's nest of permissions Mar 09 07:05:05 pupnik, or some fuse FS that redirects certain calls to an alt store? Mar 09 07:05:26 or some preload library that does the same Mar 09 07:05:55 how is that going to give you one browser / call history / document set for business encrypted, while private is somewhere else Mar 09 07:06:12 the alt store can be encrypted Mar 09 07:07:06 there could even be multiple alt stores Mar 09 07:07:10 not possible to meet corporate security Mar 09 07:07:19 afk... Mar 09 07:07:43 "out to lunch"~ Mar 09 07:41:53 mooop Mar 09 08:29:31 Norman: We all go a little mad sometimes. Haven't you? Mar 09 08:29:31 Marion: Yes. Sometimes just one time can be enough. Mar 09 09:02:50 why are my queenbeecon buttons gone after SSU upgradem to PR1.3 and installation of CSSU? Mar 09 09:03:58 or got they killed by theme switching? Mar 09 09:14:35 Bah =( Mar 09 09:14:56 A book fell on my N900 last night, smashing the screen Mar 09 09:15:26 :( Mar 09 09:16:23 oh shiiit Mar 09 09:17:37 I'm guessing the Warranty won't cover it Mar 09 09:18:09 damn, I've been speaking too much German... I've started capitalising all my nouns =S *warranty Mar 09 09:20:13 RST38h: ping Mar 09 09:27:29 ... last meego image is still far to be ready for application dev Mar 09 09:27:34 (on n900) Mar 09 09:29:01 dashavoo: what's broken? LCD only? or also the touchpanel, even the mech parts? Mar 09 09:32:36 DocScrutinizer51: LCD. It still responds to touch. At the moment 3/4 of the screen is still visible, but it is gradually becoming less so. Mar 09 09:33:13 LCD swap is <100EUR Mar 09 09:34:19 that isn't so bad (compared to the original cost, anyway ;)) Mar 09 09:34:51 Sometimes I can't believe how much I spent on this phone... no wonder I struggled so much with money that year. Mar 09 09:35:08 hehe Mar 09 09:35:13 I saved up for it here Mar 09 09:36:21 just mentioned what i wanted in a ncurses media player and one of my maemo friends sent me exactly what i wanted -- http://i.imgur.com/0hLuz.jpg Mar 09 09:36:39 it's close to perfect Mar 09 09:37:59 hehe Mar 09 09:38:00 pupnik: Maemo runs on E71? Mar 09 09:38:17 no i'm using the e71 to ssh in to my music player Mar 09 09:38:42 aaah, that makes more sense :) Mar 09 09:38:45 shame though :P Mar 09 09:39:05 e71 has the great battery life, so having a ncurses media player on my PC is nice Mar 09 09:39:43 pupnik: was that supposed to be a taunt? ;) Mar 09 09:39:52 ? Mar 09 09:40:00 < pupnik> e71 has the great battery life Mar 09 09:40:04 it has a small screen and a big battery Mar 09 09:40:08 and a slow cpu Mar 09 09:40:52 it's a good phone. but it's no n900 Mar 09 09:41:10 actually a great phone Mar 09 09:41:25 but a phone :) Mar 09 09:41:28 yep Mar 09 09:41:29 Morning all ! Mar 09 09:41:29 pupnik: it does sound like it makes a great remote control for your media though... that is something I could do with when I get my screen sorted Mar 09 09:41:39 morning khertan Mar 09 09:42:23 =S I just turned around, and noticed everyone in the office has vanished Mar 09 09:42:27 I wish this would stop happening to me! Mar 09 09:52:28 X-Fade: is it just me or is http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/ hanging ? Mar 09 09:54:36 dashavoo: it's bad when there's a fire alarm and you completely miss it because you're sleeping Mar 09 09:54:52 and you walk out and the whole building is watching and the firemen are all mad at you Mar 09 09:54:55 that happened to me twice Mar 09 09:55:14 pupnik: haha, brilliant Mar 09 09:55:41 :) Mar 09 09:57:25 Cool, and that maintains history? Mar 09 09:57:36 pupnik: In my first year at university, a fire alarm went off in the night, and I was so disorientated that I couldn't find my clothes (right there on the floor next to my bed) Mar 09 09:57:45 I went outside in nothing but a duvet wrapped around me Mar 09 09:57:51 :) Mar 09 09:57:57 pupnik: I did have my neighbor come over wake me to be able to tell to turn the bloody alarm clock off... does that count ? Mar 09 09:58:10 nice stories Mar 09 10:05:20 it s funny to use a n810 with maemo 4 after testing meego on a n900 Mar 09 10:05:29 it s give the feeling of power Mar 09 10:05:29 :) Mar 09 10:05:42 speed ... and stability Mar 09 10:17:34 heh Mar 09 10:18:06 khertan: let's open a club of diablo fans Mar 09 10:22:00 DocScrutinizer, :) and larger screen :) Mar 09 10:22:01 anyway your staement above is well in line with my rant a few days ago that's been like "I prefer stable maemo with some closed blobs over a inmature meego with lots of missing bits every day. And I even prefer m4 UX over m5, for some bits of HD" Mar 09 10:22:31 it s more a hw preference for me Mar 09 10:22:38 two phisical touch Mar 09 10:22:43 plus larger screen Mar 09 10:23:00 yep Mar 09 10:23:11 hum ... qt4 is old release Mar 09 10:23:12 :( Mar 09 10:23:19 no pyside recent release Mar 09 10:23:56 hey khertan do you know of any working Qt Python graphing libs? Mar 09 10:25:05 Hi is there any DAAP clients on n900 ? Mar 09 10:25:24 lardman, graphing ? ... like matplot ? Mar 09 10:25:39 lardman, http://matplotlib.sourceforge.net/ Mar 09 10:26:35 lardman, http://matplotlib.sourceforge.net/gallery.html Mar 09 10:26:35 does that now run on the N900? Mar 09 10:26:44 lardman, ah ... didn't know :) Mar 09 10:26:48 let me check Mar 09 10:27:01 I did start porting matplot lib iirc, but moved onto other things Mar 09 10:27:25 don't worry, I can do the looking, just wondered if you knew of anything off hand Mar 09 10:27:27 c est meme dans les depots Mar 09 10:27:30 oups ... Mar 09 10:27:35 it s in the repository Mar 09 10:28:23 bien, merci beaucoup Mar 09 10:28:28 :) Mar 09 10:31:26 and it can be installed via easy_install from pypi if gcc is installed on device Mar 09 10:31:27 :) Mar 09 10:32:25 hmm, does it require gcc? Mar 09 10:39:26 Right, N900 flashed to fresh (ready for repairs) Mar 09 10:40:11 DocScrutinizer51: is flashing supposed to reset the lock_code? Because mine _still_ seems uncrackable, and it isn't 12345 after flashing ;) Mar 09 10:40:27 Nope, it's not Mar 09 10:40:36 robbiethe1st: ah, fair enough Mar 09 10:41:51 If you can get root, though, you should be able to reset it with the appropriate script/program Mar 09 10:42:02 Google for those instructions, though Mar 09 10:42:34 robbiethe1st: yeah, I was told yesterday about the code_reset program, I was going to try it last night until I broke my screen Mar 09 10:44:21 dashavoo: no, flashing definitely does NOT reset lock code Mar 09 11:02:47 * DocScrutinizer51 still wonders what's the process that checks (and queries) lock code. And where it gets invoked Mar 09 11:03:29 could just be hildon-home or desktop or whatever it is? Mar 09 11:04:14 probably something much earlier in boot process Mar 09 11:05:36 anyway writing a completely new image to mtd1 would reset lock code but also mess up a lot of device specific settings and calibrations Mar 09 11:06:00 actually someone already posted on tmo how to reset the code Mar 09 11:06:13 it's in a very specific location Mar 09 11:06:18 for example ALS calib is in mtd1, for whatever weird reason Mar 09 11:06:27 greetings, Mar 09 11:06:57 ruskie: uhuh, how to reset? pointer? Mar 09 11:07:11 I am trying to install pyqt demo but I got errors that it can not be installed because some packages are missing or something Mar 09 11:07:47 I'd guess you'd need a basic knowledhe about CAL data structure to do that in a safe way Mar 09 11:08:47 DocScrutinizer51, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37808 Mar 09 11:09:28 I'd change the value 12 'lines' after "lock_code" to default 12345, in mtd1 Mar 09 11:13:32 The old grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1 still gives 12345 but a 2nd result show up and looks as you said encrypted... Mar 09 11:13:35 it's 13 char long so my guess is that it's simple DES. Mar 09 11:13:37 It's also preceded by 7 bytes ... not sure what they are. Mar 09 11:13:43 from that thread Mar 09 11:13:57 but the app is there to actually do it for you Mar 09 11:16:35 I thought I was going to spend the rest of my time with the n900 dreading the day I or a friend accidentally hit the secure device button. Mar 09 11:16:37 Mar 09 11:16:38 john ripped through that in no time! Mar 09 11:16:47 while we are quoting tmo Mar 09 11:16:58 hehe Mar 09 11:17:11 ruskie: that's what dashavoo and me did yesterday Mar 09 11:17:13 well I'm under no pretences that anything on my N900 is remotely secure Mar 09 11:17:51 john didn't rip thru his DESed code Mar 09 11:18:25 My N900 is super secure ;) (or broken) Mar 09 11:18:28 coffeeeee Mar 09 11:18:58 and I'm really reluctant to use that tool of qwerty12, as it *might* mess up your complete mtd1 CAL partition Mar 09 11:20:27 actually my question was targete at breaking a locked device where you simply can't access mtd1 that easily Mar 09 11:20:54 boot through a kernel with an initrd that runs that? Mar 09 11:21:08 yep, along that line Mar 09 11:23:14 * DocScrutinizer pondering to cp -ax / /media/mmc1 Mar 09 11:23:21 wtf Mar 09 11:23:22 er Mar 09 11:23:53 then patching a few absolute device names and pathes on that copy on uSD, and boot that maemo copy like a meego Mar 09 11:24:41 plus, *of course*, commenting out the lock_code check Mar 09 11:26:30 damn that'd be cool to have a complete auxiliary maemo to boot from uBoot menu, in case you messed up the original one Mar 09 11:27:00 bootloops? PFFF! Mar 09 11:27:43 I'd just want an initfs initramfs Mar 09 11:27:51 with rescue tools Mar 09 11:28:01 from everything fscking... to reseting lock code Mar 09 11:28:05 download it at meego Mar 09 11:28:21 I did... then had to patch in a ton of stuff so I could actually use it for that Mar 09 11:28:46 just fixing the keymapping to have / etc would help a lot for recue-initrd Mar 09 11:29:05 that's easy Mar 09 11:30:30 * DocScrutinizer is fetching the huge luser-attitude-recalibration-tool to convince ruskie to publish the results of that work Mar 09 11:31:10 it was nowhere near anything usable by a normal user Mar 09 11:31:41 MeeGo on the other hand has a console keymap provided that can be applied on maemo as well Mar 09 11:31:41 so what? meego rescue-initrd isn't either Mar 09 11:32:54 actually even the link to the download is broken on that webpage about recue-initrd Mar 09 11:34:10 a bit off-topic, but anyone know what webcasting system was used on this one maemo related page, that included a chat system ? (or can recommend some webcasting service) Mar 09 11:34:13 even just publishing a webpage with a woking dl-link would be an improvement. If that link is to a patched image that has some tools and a working keymap - even better Mar 09 11:36:45 of course a patched maemo system to install to uSD, just same way as a meego, is also quite an appealing idea in my book Mar 09 11:40:14 I bet you could even use the original meego uBoot config, if you do that right Mar 09 11:40:37 http://meego.gitorious.org/~sage/meego-device-adaptation/sages-n900_nokia-n900-rescue-initrd/trees/master <-- DocScrutinizer in case it helps Mar 09 11:41:05 No, I don't help in that case Mar 09 11:41:05 has the raw files for the initrd and a script that builds it up Mar 09 11:41:25 even has the raw keymap that needs to be procesed through loadkeys Mar 09 11:42:11 so, is that what is finally called "useful by a normal user"? Mar 09 11:42:31 'normal users' use N900's? Mar 09 11:42:54 DocScrutinizer, it's the initrd from MeeGo sources ;) Mar 09 11:42:56 s/useful/usable/ Mar 09 11:42:56 DocScrutinizer meant: so, is that what is finally called "usable by a normal user"? Mar 09 11:43:15 but last I tried it it had issues with not running the backlight Mar 09 11:44:29 I didn't even know where the sources were before Mar 09 11:44:36 just unpacked the initrd room and repacked it Mar 09 11:44:54 you packed your room? Mar 09 11:44:57 now I might actually be able to make something using this Mar 09 11:44:59 erm rom Mar 09 11:50:10 let's face it: for the occasional messing with initscripts, rescue-initrd isn't any solution to recover from a bootloop - at lest the way it's shipped now Mar 09 11:51:32 simply need to start using the initfs Mar 09 11:51:42 supposedly there are what 2MB in there that can be used/abused for this Mar 09 11:51:49 installing uBoot and a tiny permanent rescue-system on a partition somewhere on eMMC, easily installable via a .deb, would be way more useful Mar 09 11:52:27 or on mtd3?/initrd, yes Mar 09 11:52:30 uboot is already there Mar 09 11:52:36 I know Mar 09 11:52:51 just needs a config tweak to boot that rescue system Mar 09 11:52:55 yup Mar 09 11:53:06 and a viable initfs image Mar 09 11:53:14 or whatever Mar 09 11:53:27 doesn't have to be an initrd Mar 09 11:53:28 well already does uSD Mar 09 11:53:34 not sure if it does eMMC but it might Mar 09 11:53:47 afaik MohammadAG does it right now Mar 09 11:56:32 Right - I will leave work early tonight, and drive to the closest Nokia repair place Mar 09 12:01:15 http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4364_Original-Nokia-N900-Display--LCD-.html Mar 09 12:02:03 is that in case meego gets done? :) Mar 09 12:02:32 never know when you need a new lcd Mar 09 12:02:55 to replace on the n900 that will be stuck in a drawer in a year or so Mar 09 12:03:11 I wonder if nokia actively participating on meego will actually produce an actual usable UX or not... Mar 09 12:03:33 they stopped participating i thought Mar 09 12:03:39 and went to winmob Mar 09 12:03:44 Macer, nope Mar 09 12:03:56 they are actively working on getting meego officially supported on the N(00 Mar 09 12:03:59 erm N900 Mar 09 12:04:37 DocScrutinizer: thanks. Bookmarked ready for when Nokia say get lost Mar 09 12:04:47 #define actively Mar 09 12:05:24 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition Mar 09 12:05:27 active enough? Mar 09 12:06:26 Core team being formed in and around Nokia, including current N900 HW adaptation team Mar 09 12:06:29 Community involvement is very desirable, and there will lots of areas to contribute. Mar 09 12:07:25 yeah, somewhat funny Mar 09 12:08:58 I just wish MeeGo actually gets some usability experts and GUI designers... because the current UX is crap for anything other than phone calls Mar 09 12:09:04 http://qa-reports.meego.com/1.2/Handset/Key%20Basic%20Feature/N900/1459 Mar 09 12:09:07 thats how useful meego is atm Mar 09 12:10:13 I wish they invested all those devel manpower into opening up the few missing bits on maemo, rather than rerererereinventing the wheel Mar 09 12:10:32 we all would have liked that better, but such whining is just fuitless Mar 09 12:10:39 fruitless, even Mar 09 12:10:52 Lava_Croft: I think it is both Mar 09 12:11:00 meego is even more fruitless, no wmore than ever Mar 09 12:11:22 intel will use it Mar 09 12:11:27 hahahaha Mar 09 12:11:34 any open source-ish project will bear some fruit Mar 09 12:11:40 I don't consider intel viable for a portable/mobile device Mar 09 12:11:44 so meego isnt fruitless Mar 09 12:12:38 so tell me, what is the big advantage of meego over maemo? Mar 09 12:12:52 no clue Mar 09 12:12:59 maybe I just forgot about it... Mar 09 12:13:04 DocScrutinizer: it is newer, and therefore better Mar 09 12:13:10 one feature is that it's a joint project and neither side can kill it Mar 09 12:13:10 LOL Mar 09 12:13:12 ROFL Mar 09 12:13:13 MUHAHAHA Mar 09 12:13:33 dangergrrl, considering neither side actually has a stake in it... it's under linux foundation Mar 09 12:14:06 both companies and pick up their toys and go and it'll still exist Mar 09 12:14:06 BS, nobody can kill anything that's open. Or everybody can, by just contributing shit Mar 09 12:14:16 who will use it is another matter Mar 09 12:15:33 Linux is owned by Linus Torvalds alone. VERY DANGEROUS! he can kill it any day he feels like Mar 09 12:15:44 well the trademark is ;0 Mar 09 12:15:48 or so I thought Mar 09 12:16:20 >/sarcasm> - just in case Mar 09 12:16:33 s/>/ DocScrutinizer meant: - just in case Mar 09 12:16:39 ok, this is distracting me from work too much today, I'd better "ctrl-a d" the screen Mar 09 12:16:42 ciao Mar 09 12:17:00 http://codemages.net/bmb.sh <-- /me finally made his link spaming twitter like thingy... Mar 09 12:21:24 meego will end like the wankel engine for cars. They thought they can do better than otto engine. In fact otto would have profitted way more if they invested all that R&D into that technology. Hell, some people say otto engine was a mistake and steam engine, when they'd have invested same amount of development into it, would nowadays be way superior to otto engine Mar 09 12:23:48 at least meego is not standing on the sideline whining about the others Mar 09 12:24:19 nah it's just doing a microsoft and copying from others Mar 09 12:24:25 nah, they have enough business whining about state of own project Mar 09 12:25:19 microsoft does not give changes back to the community Mar 09 12:25:32 dangergrrl, you misunderstood Mar 09 12:25:42 they are copying the UX ideas from others Mar 09 12:25:45 just like M$ does Mar 09 12:25:50 yeah, others don't copy? Mar 09 12:25:53 everybody copies Mar 09 12:26:11 and they are copying maemo sources, even those that never were disclosed for maemo community Mar 09 12:26:13 copying is great if you share your improvements Mar 09 12:26:14 what's up with a lot of open source-ish people being such complete pussy whiners Mar 09 12:26:20 that sit on #maemo and whine about the others Mar 09 12:26:20 now that's actually a benefit of meego Mar 09 12:26:25 what good does any of this do Mar 09 12:26:35 besides generate a shitload of irc logs that are beyond pure sadness Mar 09 12:26:49 Lava_Croft, it fills the idle time between $random other conversations ;) Mar 09 12:26:51 being positive about maemo is smarter than being negative about the others Mar 09 12:27:14 dangergrrl: I can't see an single improvement in meego so far, that would help any other system to do better Mar 09 12:27:15 i just want to make a decision to mangle with rcS and rcS-late Mar 09 12:27:17 it's bad energy, the kind that's usually related to adolescent males Mar 09 12:27:44 DocScrutinizer: how about that more of the stuff that was closed in maemo is opening up? Mar 09 12:28:08 dangergrrl: Much of it isn't opening up in a way which would help maemo at all. Mar 09 12:28:29 coool, I mentioned axactly that just err 2 lines above, dangergrrl Mar 09 12:28:59 ok, i used parted and shrank my vfat on mmcblk0p1 Mar 09 12:29:14 There are a large number of interconnected daemons in maemo, with no docs. Replacing some of these with incompatible ones that are opensource for meego does little, as the interactions between the daemons are closed. Mar 09 12:29:40 i copied with cp -a /home to an ext2 on /dev/mmcblk1p1 Mar 09 12:30:33 presumably if i change the device name in rcS and rcS-late i should be able to use mmcblk1 for /home Mar 09 12:30:58 I did something different Mar 09 12:31:07 I shrunk my mydocs to 4G Mar 09 12:31:19 I then added a new partition - ext3 Mar 09 12:31:29 and mounted this on /home/user/data Mar 09 12:31:34 Works for me. Mar 09 12:32:28 you could even loopmount a ext3 fs-image file living on vfat Mar 09 12:32:49 i already have the cp -a copy Mar 09 12:33:33 I don't see the purpose Mar 09 12:34:22 maybe you had a typo in some of your prev posts? Mar 09 12:37:48 i want to boot with all the sw i have installed but /dev/mmcblk0p2 not mounted Mar 09 12:37:55 anyway probably you either want cp -ax or umount /home/user/MyDocs, to/prior copying /home Mar 09 12:38:15 MyDocs was easy Mar 09 12:38:23 umount and parted fixed it Mar 09 12:41:35 you will see a massive mess of hidden used blocks on /dev/mmcblk1p1, as soon as maemo is mounting /dev/mmcblk0p1 to ~user/MyDocs and thus covering all the content you created there Mar 09 12:43:06 actually mounting anything to a non-empty mountpoint is one of the more nasty puns of experienced sysadmins Mar 09 12:43:57 i don't remember what happens then Mar 09 12:44:16 it simply hides away all the prev content of the mountpoint Mar 09 12:44:48 ok Mar 09 12:45:00 it didn't like that Mar 09 12:45:23 I used to use this to place some click-me-to-mount.desktop there Mar 09 12:45:25 probably should have tested the awk before rebooting Mar 09 12:45:29 Unless youhave union mounts Mar 09 12:45:39 Which IIRC are still not in-tree. Mar 09 12:45:56 it's rebooting over and over Mar 09 12:45:58 damn Mar 09 12:46:43 err, quite expected result of such enterprises. Sorry dangergrrl, now you're up for a reflash Mar 09 12:47:40 or you try along the lines of rescue-initrs we talked about 60min ago. And then try to fix the rcS tweaks Mar 09 12:48:07 what's the problem? Mar 09 12:48:29 he messed around with /home mount in initscripts Mar 09 12:49:24 well that's why there is atleast one or two guides on doing the repartitioning on tmo/wmo Mar 09 12:49:35 :-) Mar 09 12:49:44 umm Mar 09 12:49:57 /home initscripts, those are on /etc right? Mar 09 12:50:08 hell my first week of owning N900 was spent reflashing it and writting together one of those guides... Mar 09 12:50:41 and even then I've gotten bit by things that simply broke on PR1.1 and 1.2... not sure if 1.3 as well... Mar 09 12:50:57 i changed /usr/lib/genfstab.awk Mar 09 12:51:03 yeah, an auxiliary rescue system would come handy in such situations ;-D Mar 09 12:51:04 oh and i know what i did wrong Mar 09 12:51:14 damn Mar 09 12:51:22 I just removed the call to genfstab ;) Mar 09 12:51:28 since that fstab actually won't be used at all Mar 09 12:51:30 i forgot to delete an argument Mar 09 12:51:31 it's just there to look nice Mar 09 12:51:43 I actually have a usable fstab that actually gets used ;) Mar 09 12:51:47 genfstab is mostly irrelevant, as the actual mount is unrelated to fstab Mar 09 12:51:51 yup Mar 09 12:52:16 need to hack the scripts and get them into cssu so that fstab is actually used and we can drop genfstab Mar 09 12:52:59 now that'd be an appreciated sanitizing of some nasty annoying maemo quirk Mar 09 12:53:32 never got it what all this weird fstab crippling in maemo init was all about Mar 09 12:53:34 meego's awesome Mar 09 12:53:37 it can mount ubifs Mar 09 12:53:48 really? Mar 09 12:53:50 well, i saw a mount in /etc/init.d/rcS Mar 09 12:54:07 I had to roll my own busybox with ubifs support to actually be able to rescue using it Mar 09 12:54:27 changed that one and stuff broke a little but it still mounted /dev/mmcblk0s2 /home Mar 09 12:54:42 yes, used it once Mar 09 12:55:24 and really, if someone could build the meego rescue kernel with ubifs support, that'd be awesome Mar 09 12:55:39 MohammadAG, actually ubifs support is there Mar 09 12:55:50 just the userspace stuff was/is absent Mar 09 12:56:01 it's a kernel issue Mar 09 12:56:06 probably missing module Mar 09 12:56:08 duh? Mar 09 12:56:21 I managed to access ubifs from meego running on an SD card Mar 09 12:56:29 after adding busybox with ubifs support to it Mar 09 12:57:00 hmm Mar 09 12:57:26 meego uses coreutils iirc Mar 09 12:58:01 have to , because is not meego intent to get more close to a normal linux distro or something like that Mar 09 12:58:05 ? Mar 09 12:58:14 dangergrrl: actually that mount in rcS is the relevant thing. Nasty part: just about any typo in rcS will cause a bootloop Mar 09 12:58:20 morning btw Mar 09 12:59:09 *burp* err busybox... MEH Mar 09 12:59:21 yeah, meego uses coreutils and bash Mar 09 13:00:01 ~messybox Mar 09 13:00:02 messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils Mar 09 13:00:10 why does 'screen' mangle the ncurses graphics chars Mar 09 13:00:27 does it? Mar 09 13:00:49 does for me - maybe some terminfo / termcap mongling Mar 09 13:07:59 anyway, good luck to Austin TX / Round Rock Mar 09 13:09:04 time for 12648430 ☕ Mar 09 13:09:21 sigh Mar 09 13:09:38 lost my reading glasses and it wants an IMEI Mar 09 13:10:50 *#06# Mar 09 13:11:10 it needs flashing Mar 09 13:11:31 "dbus-send --system --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.phone.SIM /com/nokia/phone/SIM/security Phone.Sim.Security.get_imei" Mar 09 13:11:48 in xterm and zoom the key size Mar 09 13:11:49 no, it won't boot, it is bricked Mar 09 13:11:56 s/key/font Mar 09 13:12:08 in other words the fonts on the device are to small Mar 09 13:12:15 dangergrrl, still have the box? Mar 09 13:12:20 that has a larger IMEI sticker iirc Mar 09 13:13:54 awesome! Mar 09 13:14:13 hmm iirc it actually has 3... though one tends to be taken by the shop iirc... Mar 09 13:16:56 [A] [B] and [C] Mar 09 13:17:28 would be awesome if flasher could querry imei Mar 09 13:17:29 my mom loves throwing away empty boxes... so I need to be rather specific why things don't get thrown out... Mar 09 13:17:55 MohammadAG, hmm did anyone check if the usb serial might be set to the imei? Mar 09 13:18:17 i presume i don't need the global image :) Mar 09 13:18:50 global ftw Mar 09 13:19:06 global is the best Mar 09 13:19:25 i still have my 6680's box Mar 09 13:19:41 and my N-Gage QD's box Mar 09 13:21:22 dangergrrl: use the global. US image is known to act up sometimes for GSM cmt firmware Mar 09 13:22:35 thx for the box tip, i can barely read it too but at least i didn't have to run to the store to replace crappy reading glasses Mar 09 13:22:46 my boxes rarely are empty. I always use them to store things like user manuals, recipes, spare parts... Mar 09 13:23:11 dangergrrl: why didn't you just copy&paste the one I sent to you? Mar 09 13:23:49 i didn't notice, was too busy trying to read that tiny print Mar 09 13:24:06 they don't make these things for the over 40 crowd :) Mar 09 13:24:09 ohwell Mar 09 13:24:48 when you need a firmware image may be a bad time to ask for that Mar 09 13:24:58 now i'll have a spare copy :) Mar 09 13:25:07 macro cameras ftw for magnification Mar 09 13:25:29 I got pretty good eyesight but have a mag glass now here on my desk, as sometimes those 0402 components are hard to even see Mar 09 13:26:29 ~25.4 * 0.04 Mar 09 13:26:31 1.016 Mar 09 13:27:05 mm Mar 09 13:28:00 I'm honestly getting too old to solder those Mar 09 13:28:07 sucks Mar 09 13:28:16 if i could get a shell i know what i did wrong Mar 09 13:28:18 lol Mar 09 13:28:26 but i crashed the boot oh well Mar 09 13:28:42 Doc: or parts are getting smaller... Mar 09 13:29:03 0402 always been 0402 ;-) Mar 09 13:29:26 just 15 years ago there's been no 0402 probably Mar 09 13:29:35 hmm dec vt-420 terminals are on ebay still Mar 09 13:31:17 would be pretty righteous to play roguelikes on Mar 09 13:31:34 play what? Mar 09 13:31:47 i still remember the lab full of vt05's we had in high school Mar 09 13:32:42 i had a vt100 once... called it the "bat-terminal" Mar 09 13:32:47 doh, you had nice schools there Mar 09 13:33:09 it was a top notch program for 1980 Mar 09 13:33:17 we had a pdp 11/34a Mar 09 13:33:20 nice Mar 09 13:33:22 cool Mar 09 13:33:24 we had donated PETs Mar 09 13:33:32 hehe Mar 09 13:33:38 those were fugly Mar 09 13:33:48 well, it was an elementary school Mar 09 13:34:12 and i got to skip class in the principal's office cause i debugged his boot rom on his s-100 for him :) Mar 09 13:34:23 i got to skip class to play on the pets too Mar 09 13:34:43 ok that's cool Mar 09 13:34:52 they didn't give the fdc long enough to settle after init Mar 09 13:35:10 cron is present on maemo by default ? Mar 09 13:35:13 was that some cp/m box? Mar 09 13:35:14 nope Mar 09 13:35:29 yes, cp/m Mar 09 13:35:35 TEI i think that one was Mar 09 13:35:40 8" floppy Mar 09 13:36:00 DocScrutinizer, So to do thing at regular interval a daemon running all time is the way to do ? Mar 09 13:36:06 khertan: alarmed, or fcron. not by default though. alarmd is the system you should use Mar 09 13:36:33 alarmd burrk ... not really multi plateform ! Mar 09 13:36:41 not really Mar 09 13:36:41 damn and all i really wanted was to stream pulseaudio from my pc Mar 09 13:37:09 oh wait Mar 09 13:37:14 i have a full backup Mar 09 13:37:24 almost full Mar 09 13:37:32 \o/ first usecase ever to justify this pulseaudio abomination on N900 Mar 09 13:38:07 rofl Mar 09 13:38:08 why stream the raw pcm when you can stream the mp3/ogg/flac via network share / sshfs whatever Mar 09 13:38:21 I just use icecast to stream music to it ;) Mar 09 13:38:22 well the headset is designed not to work as a stereo headset if you plug it into the pc Mar 09 13:38:30 over wifi Mar 09 13:38:31 dangergrrl: that I tried a few month ago Mar 09 13:38:34 the pair of headphones i have for the pc is crap Mar 09 13:38:49 ahh I don't use headphones... Mar 09 13:38:52 so i want to watch a video with vlc and stream the audio to n900 Mar 09 13:39:07 tztztz Mar 09 13:39:09 fun Mar 09 13:39:17 should be easy Mar 09 13:39:24 except /home was full Mar 09 13:39:27 lol Mar 09 13:39:32 assuming PA on the n900 is non-crippled Mar 09 13:39:33 I think latency's your big issue Mar 09 13:39:38 iirc it is in some way or another Mar 09 13:39:40 I just wonder if the video is so much fun via VLC Mar 09 13:39:42 bad news is i do lose the contents of /MyDocs Mar 09 13:39:44 dangergrrl: and you will have a slight offset with doing this I guess Mar 09 13:39:48 err, sorry Mar 09 13:39:55 VLC != VNC Mar 09 13:40:00 ^^ Mar 09 13:40:19 chem|st: VLC can adjust it. I'm just worried about varying latency due to network lag(etc) than anything else.. Mar 09 13:40:20 shouldn't be much, the audio goes through pulseaudio anyhow Mar 09 13:40:40 robbiethe1st: that is what I mean... Mar 09 13:40:57 dangergrrl: actually you should have a full copy on mmcblk1p1 if you did a cp -a Mar 09 13:41:00 any descent player can adjust audio video offset Mar 09 13:41:15 cp -a -x -f actually Mar 09 13:41:19 but wifi-lag is Mar 09 13:41:21 aaaah -x Mar 09 13:41:28 or the easy way, just play the video on the pc and n900 over upnp at the same time, unless I missed something? Mar 09 13:41:41 but i don't have to reinstall all my packages at least Mar 09 13:41:42 Aanyway, I'll let you two work it out; cya tomorrow. Mar 09 13:41:45 and pulse' multicast streaming does no good at my wifi setup at home Mar 09 13:42:20 dangergrrl: If you're talking about a full backup... that Mar 09 13:42:22 That Mar 09 13:42:31 That's why I created backupmenu. ;) Mar 09 13:42:55 i just did things the usual unix way :) Mar 09 13:43:00 I recommend that Mar 09 13:43:00 and shot myself in the foot Mar 09 13:43:32 dangergrrl: actually that's not the unix way. You never create a backup of a mounted fs Mar 09 13:43:47 backupmenu is taking care about that Mar 09 13:44:17 Anyway, good luck. Mar 09 13:46:46 dangergrrl: restoring to a mounted fs is even harder, backupmenu is supposed to handle that as well Mar 09 13:47:34 dangergrrl: basically backupmenu is the luser's init s Mar 09 13:52:14 (where on maemo everybody's a luser ;-P ) Mar 09 13:52:20 transferring a Virtual HD image is painfull (vdi of 160Go) Mar 09 13:52:55 khertan, hey Mar 09 13:53:02 hey ZogG Mar 09 13:53:11 hey heys Mar 09 13:53:24 (specially when you think ... hey now problem i ll copy it on fat hd ... .... fail) ... Mar 09 13:53:36 khertan, if i have MainWindow class in main.cpp for example Mar 09 13:53:46 andi have simple functions Mar 09 13:54:04 khertan, well fat is what 4gb limit... isn't it? Mar 09 13:54:10 khertan: that's what dd is made for :-D Mar 09 13:54:38 ruskie, maybe a bit more ... but sure there is a limit Mar 09 13:54:42 ruskie: fat has no *nix perms Mar 09 13:55:18 DocScrutinizer, i'm not sur that using firewire is made for transfering large file over firewire ethernet :) Mar 09 13:55:25 ruskie, 4 Gibs indeed Mar 09 13:55:41 a small harddrive is probably better for that Mar 09 13:56:00 and i want to call MainWindow class function from regular function, how do i do it? Mar 09 13:56:46 m = new MainWindow() Mar 09 13:56:59 m->mymainfunctioniwanttocall() Mar 09 13:57:10 yoh Mar 09 13:57:15 but i far to be a cpp expert :) Mar 09 13:57:18 that's another instance of MainWindow Mar 09 13:57:22 yep Mar 09 13:57:34 that's the only instance of mainwin Mar 09 13:57:48 but to call something on instance ... you need to have an instance Mar 09 13:58:05 I wouldn't want MainWindow -> some child window -> MainWindow again Mar 09 13:58:15 there has to be an instance of mainwin or there'll be no mainwin Mar 09 13:58:31 that's creating another instance of it Mar 09 13:58:40 But if mainwin is a child of mainwin ... why it s called mainwin ? Mar 09 13:58:59 *cough* Mar 09 13:59:01 you giot me confused and you misunderstood me Mar 09 13:59:35 * khertan is lost too Mar 09 14:00:29 I'm guessing ZogG has a child window Mar 09 14:00:40 and wants to call a function in the parent MainWindow Mar 09 14:01:09 ZogG: if we misunderstood you, don't you think that's somehow related to the fact you spread your question across 3 fuzzy posts a few minutes apart from each other? Mar 09 14:01:21 MohammadAG nope Mar 09 14:01:41 i have mainwindow class Mar 09 14:01:54 MohammadAG, you are lost too ... failed everyone :) Mar 09 14:02:02 and functions like MainWindow::do_that () Mar 09 14:02:12 but i have dothat_too() Mar 09 14:02:42 and as i try to call MainWindow::do that () from do_that_too() it fails Mar 09 14:02:56 where's dothat_too() ? Mar 09 14:02:59 what fails Mar 09 14:03:06 I mean, how does it fail Mar 09 14:03:16 unknown function Mar 09 14:03:22 defined in .h? Mar 09 14:03:50 or i want to do ui->soomething->somethin() from void my_own_func_with_no_class() i fail Mar 09 14:03:51 ZogG, maybe pastbinning source code will be easier to understand :) Mar 09 14:03:54 ZogG: your question is rather fuzzy. I suggest pastebinit Mar 09 14:04:00 MohammadAG, how the file /home/user/.config/menus/hildon.menu is created? Does it belongs to some package or created in postinstall scripts? Mar 09 14:04:15 MohammadAG nope it's inside mainwindow.cpp Mar 09 14:04:33 hildon-desktop Mar 09 14:04:49 ZogG, put the name of the function under private: in the .h file of mainwindow Mar 09 14:04:58 MohammadAG, I can't see it in 'dpkg -L hildon-desktop' list. Mar 09 14:05:06 it's created in real time Mar 09 14:05:20 Ah, clear Mar 09 14:05:22 MohammadAG but that it would be MainWindow::my_func() but not my_func() Mar 09 14:05:25 Thanks Mar 09 14:05:36 huh Mar 09 14:05:42 than* Mar 09 14:05:52 this isn't C Mar 09 14:05:57 khertan, DocScrutinizer, i think MohammadAG won =) Mar 09 14:06:09 MohammadAG i do use C =) Mar 09 14:06:16 dotHat? ̂. Mar 09 14:06:16 ZogG: one thing's for sure: you lose Mar 09 14:06:29 :) Mar 09 14:06:36 =( Mar 09 14:07:06 ZogG: google namespace Mar 09 14:07:08 DocScrutinizer, if you love me that much, i suggest just telling me and not playing 5th grade games =) Mar 09 14:07:19 ZogG: google visibility Mar 09 14:07:26 Python ... Python ... Python ... Python ... Python ... Python .... Mar 09 14:07:44 khertan, you might enjoy C Mar 09 14:07:47 khertan, i want to obtain C power Mar 09 14:08:01 you must kill a C programmer. Mar 09 14:08:06 or something Mar 09 14:08:09 also i think there's a book Mar 09 14:08:12 BCMM, cut his head? Mar 09 14:08:20 MohammadAG, in fact i use the last three week to made a c plugin for 4D to add python language to 4D :) Mar 09 14:08:21 and eat his heart Mar 09 14:08:27 that's it, yeah Mar 09 14:08:33 that or read k&r is what i heard Mar 09 14:08:34 ZogG: I'm just not contributing on your 1st grade hoac games. I clearly asked "where's dothat_too() ?" and I suggested pastebinit Mar 09 14:08:38 s/week/weekend Mar 09 14:08:48 BCMM, k&r? Mar 09 14:09:20 hoax* Mar 09 14:09:35 MohammadAG, but if i can avoid using c ... i' avoid using it ... Mar 09 14:09:53 C pwns python, admit it :P Mar 09 14:10:07 kernigan and ritchie, aka K&R Mar 09 14:10:10 takes a lot more time to program in too Mar 09 14:10:13 DocScrutinizer, https://github.com/funkycode/fresh/blob/master/mainwindow.cpp Mar 09 14:11:18 MohammadAG, depends of context Mar 09 14:11:30 for example i want to set label ui->song_info->setText("connected"); from void connect_xmms() Mar 09 14:11:34 DocScrutinizer, ^ Mar 09 14:11:41 GUIs, stuff for a 600MHz device :P Mar 09 14:11:48 MohammadAG, in term of pure perf ... no comparaison ... Mar 09 14:12:06 assembler FTW Mar 09 14:12:09 ZogG: "The C Programming Language" by Kerningham and Ritchie, aka k&r or "The White Bible" Mar 09 14:12:22 BCMM thanks Mar 09 14:12:25 assembly* Mar 09 14:12:35 going to download it Mar 09 14:12:36 MohammadAG, but a well done algo code with python will always be faster than a poor one done inc Mar 09 14:12:43 s/inc/in c Mar 09 14:12:56 ZogG: the first edition was actually the de-facto spec for the language Mar 09 14:13:22 khertan, for a GUI? doubtful Mar 09 14:13:23 BCMM, which one (edition) should i get? Mar 09 14:13:43 it'll just segfault in C Mar 09 14:13:44 ZogG: the second edition Mar 09 14:13:44 :P Mar 09 14:13:48 MohammadAG, a good py programmer most of the time use libs (which are coded in c) Mar 09 14:13:53 BCMM, ok, thanks Mar 09 14:13:53 khertan: definitely not, I offer a bet where poor c code beats good py code Mar 09 14:14:12 DocScrutinizer, i didn't say poor code ... but poor algo Mar 09 14:14:15 * RST38h wonders why a good py programmer is not using C to begin with Mar 09 14:14:22 ZogG: teh first edition came before standardisation, and actually got used like a standard by compiler devs and so on. the second edition is written for ANSI C Mar 09 14:14:25 i can make a poor C.... oooops, no i even can't do that =( Mar 09 14:14:28 khertan: that's what I meant Mar 09 14:14:38 Doc: You can easily do worse than py by writing bad C code Mar 09 14:15:05 RST38h, but how you got it that if you bad in C you would be good in python =) Mar 09 14:15:16 it's almost hilarious how influential that book is... Mar 09 14:15:20 RST38h, and you are russian, noone cares what you think Mar 09 14:15:32 MohammadAG, take a look at gitorious.org/khtsync and say me how many time it takes to you to write similar things in c Mar 09 14:15:34 I bet I can beat a carefully selected advanced sort algo in python by carefully written simple bubblesort in C Mar 09 14:15:42 for example, if you don't use K&r's brace style, they won't accept your driver into the mainstream linux kernel :) Mar 09 14:16:00 khertan, I already said writing stuff in C takes more time Mar 09 14:16:08 but if done properly, C kicks Python's ass :p Mar 09 14:16:32 MohammadAG, no no seriously ... i didn't want to defy or something els Mar 09 14:16:34 else Mar 09 14:16:51 this is just to have a estimation ... as i ll probably rewrite that in c :) Mar 09 14:16:59 Doc: ah, you can really screw up the bubble sort Mar 09 14:17:14 Doc: but I am sure an averag C bubble sort implementation will run circles around python Mar 09 14:17:15 tbh, it's probably just another example of the general pattern of things that could be done by human or by computer Mar 09 14:17:27 a good human > a computer > a bad human Mar 09 14:17:49 (see also autopilots and automatic transmissions) Mar 09 14:17:51 an evil > a good human > a computer > a idiot Mar 09 14:18:29 BCMM, see metro in paris ... line 14 ... automatic ... no problem ... no late .... always working ... no strike Mar 09 14:18:29 :) Mar 09 14:18:39 DocScrutinizer: however, one could provide a data set where bubble sort is ages slower than the "advanced sorting algorithm" implemented even in the slowest language of the world. Mar 09 14:18:45 and the human drived line.... hum ... Mar 09 14:18:47 :) Mar 09 14:19:02 javispedro: yes, I forgot to mention I'm selecting the sort data Mar 09 14:19:46 one could provide a dataset to suite almost any sorting algorithm Mar 09 14:19:52 filezilla version in debian stable is far to be stable Mar 09 14:19:53 pfff Mar 09 14:20:52 well, it's not bricked Mar 09 14:21:03 but i get to reinstall all the apps anyhow Mar 09 14:21:06 well, let's make this a bit more precise: sort data is dd if=/dev/random of=mysortdata bs=5k count=1 Mar 09 14:21:32 moo javispedro Mar 09 14:21:41 morning Mar 09 14:22:01 Doc: BUT PYTHON IS MORE PLEASURE TO CODE IN! Mar 09 14:22:11 * RST38h laughs satanically Mar 09 14:22:16 I still keep that bet, given we agree on what's the class of "advanced sort algorithms" I will choose one to implement in python Mar 09 14:22:46 make that count=2000 or something like that and were talking ;) Mar 09 14:22:56 meh Mar 09 14:22:58 :-P Mar 09 14:23:58 you should all get into that tmo thread where someone is trying to explain to us the benefits of the java vm Mar 09 14:24:17 *cough* Mar 09 14:24:21 gasp Mar 09 14:24:36 javispedro, hihi could be fun Mar 09 14:24:36 :) Mar 09 14:25:03 filezilla is a .... Mar 09 14:25:05 grrrr Mar 09 14:26:17 khertan: line U3 subway in Nuernberg :-D Mar 09 14:27:18 khertan: you noticed my stories about SIPEM in Duesseldorf and Dortmund? Mar 09 14:28:01 nothing better than the local city train station Mar 09 14:28:08 it's like Duke Nuken Forever Mar 09 14:29:32 RST38h: (more pleasure) actually I hate python more and more, since I noticed wiki pages are silently dropping format like leading whitespace and tab Mar 09 14:30:19 hell, even COBOL removed the format restrictions somewhere around COBOL78 or whatever the version was Mar 09 14:30:55 * DocScrutinizer suggests we move from python to all WHITESPACE Mar 09 14:31:08 an awesome language Mar 09 14:31:22 everytime someone mentions the whitespace thing i hope they are really talking about fortran-iv Mar 09 14:31:34 and for sure more fun to code in than python Mar 09 14:31:53 F90 FTW! Mar 09 14:32:43 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_(programming_language) Mar 09 14:34:39 DocScrutinizer, nope Mar 09 14:35:13 how about C# and C++? Mar 09 14:35:26 and ruby? Mar 09 14:35:27 how about objective-C Mar 09 14:35:41 How about Goto++ Mar 09 14:35:49 and brainfuck? Mar 09 14:36:05 or LOLCODE Mar 09 14:36:20 Piet! Mar 09 14:36:23 Piet is cool! Mar 09 14:36:27 KTHNXBYE Mar 09 14:36:36 http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/samples.html Mar 09 14:37:01 CAN HAZ Qt? Mar 09 14:37:02 http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/piet_pi_big.png outputs pi - for example Mar 09 14:37:14 You make it more precise by making the circle larger Mar 09 14:39:52 GoTo++ i like the GOTOGOTORANDOM() 80;LabelName Mar 09 14:40:12 80% chance to jump to label ... else ... it s fall somewhere else in the code Mar 09 14:40:13 :) Mar 09 14:42:02 DO NOT TALK ME ABOUT OBJECTIVE C! Mar 09 14:42:25 Wow, there's a brainfuck interpreter for Piet x) Mar 09 14:42:59 pffff ... zipping a 160Gb file and splitting it into chunk of 4Gb is really slow Mar 09 14:43:00 pfff Mar 09 14:45:06 somebody in tmo ask/talk about use the n900 for light meter or something Mar 09 14:45:19 could this posible ? Mar 09 14:45:50 i was thinking in something like that for autoadjust the expose in the camera app Mar 09 14:46:02 in a better way Mar 09 14:47:49 SpeedEvil: nice Mar 09 14:48:01 I wonder... Mar 09 14:48:07 seen dangermouse Mar 09 14:48:12 ~seen dangermouse Mar 09 14:48:18 dangermouse was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 731d 1h 13m 20s ago, saying: 'Can get on with my buffer overflow coursework now \o/'. Mar 09 14:48:48 hmm Mar 09 14:48:53 ~seen dangermaus Mar 09 14:48:55 dangermaus <638d3d82@tuxhacker/loft306> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 22d 2h 28m 29s ago, saying: 'k thnx'. Mar 09 14:49:01 aaah Mar 09 14:49:52 well, if anyone wants help bricking their n900, just ask me, i'm a pro at it :) Mar 09 14:51:13 actually, ask me. it's been a while since I last used my precious hammer... Mar 09 14:51:47 E0x: there's luxmeter app Mar 09 14:52:29 E0x: but that's silly for camera - except if we're talking about frontcam Mar 09 14:53:16 i doubt the frontcam has the sensitivity to be good for that Mar 09 14:53:32 could be wrong though Mar 09 14:53:40 i did break mine today :) Mar 09 14:54:01 the frontcam is pointing in same direction as ALS. So it's the only cam on N900 that can use ALS for "autoadjust the expose in the camera app" Mar 09 14:54:45 how did you break your frontcam? :-o Mar 09 14:55:05 just the whole n900 Mar 09 14:55:27 i have to reinstall all my apps anyhow so i plan on finishing the technique i was trying Mar 09 14:55:31 meh, you just fsckdup your initscripts :-D Mar 09 14:55:40 that doesn't count Mar 09 14:56:09 with no text mode console that's bad enough Mar 09 14:56:25 ok, so it was easily fixed Mar 09 14:56:39 other than hours to come with application manager Mar 09 14:56:40 me suggests installing backupmenu, it has USB console as well Mar 09 14:57:10 that would have helped :) Mar 09 14:57:14 i'll get that Mar 09 14:57:29 appmanager hassle can easily be done via backup APP (not menu this time) Mar 09 14:57:31 right now i need x terminal gainroot and ssh Mar 09 14:57:36 Should I upgrade to the CSSU yet? Mar 09 14:57:59 GAN900: works great here Mar 09 14:58:13 GAN900: just beware of MHD remnants on your system :-P Mar 09 14:58:32 hmm, /me sees useful things like json module in Python 2.7 and wonders if there's a newer version for the N900? Mar 09 14:59:01 GAN900: yeah, works here too, I've not noticed any problems (nor indeed any changes) Mar 09 15:00:45 lardman: changes are marginal, when comparing to a massively tweaked system like JR-PR1.2 ;-) Mar 09 15:01:26 I guess there's a changelog on the wiki page, I should take a look at it Mar 09 15:01:28 I guess JR-PR1.2 >> PR1.3 basic Mar 09 15:02:20 what is JR? Mar 09 15:02:28 so now after upgrade to PR1.3 and switching&fixing to CSSU my system feels like a week ago, except for fixed SIP Mar 09 15:02:44 lardman: my initials ;-D Mar 09 15:03:57 or simply http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools plus a few ""secret"" things Mar 09 15:04:03 lardman, Honeycomb sucks significantly less acutely than 2.x Mar 09 15:04:23 whoa, topic change there ;) Mar 09 15:04:38 GAN: How exactly? =) Mar 09 15:04:50 heya lardman Mar 09 15:04:59 GAN900: well I don't really want to write Java code, though it would be nice to have Honeycomb on the Tab eventually Mar 09 15:05:05 hi RST38h Mar 09 15:05:07 RST38h, I think it's largely down to being generic and not including B&N's BS. Mar 09 15:05:13 DO NOT TALK ME ABOUT JAVA! Mar 09 15:05:19 lol Mar 09 15:05:24 Permanent on-screen keys in the status area help. Mar 09 15:05:42 GAN: Ah you mean a particular android device Mar 09 15:05:42 JR-PR1.2 ? Mar 09 15:05:45 what that ? Mar 09 15:05:48 lardman, I want MeeGo, but given that there's no useful Tablet UX. ;) Mar 09 15:05:53 RST38h, yes. Mar 09 15:06:04 RST38h, Nook Color Mar 09 15:06:07 John Rampage Pirate Release 1.2 ? Mar 09 15:06:11 GAN900: yeah I know, and worst of all no repo afaict Mar 09 15:06:15 khertan, DocScrutinizer's customized install. Mar 09 15:06:21 ;) Mar 09 15:07:19 * javispedro still does not understand why everyone wants a nook color Mar 09 15:08:45 javispedro: not everyone Mar 09 15:08:58 javispedro: but it is pretty cheap, so that may be the reason Mar 09 15:09:42 javispedro, cheap for what you get? Mar 09 15:10:01 well, what you get is a presumably shitty e-reader but a dirt cheap android tablet Mar 09 15:12:13 get a bebook, there's a real e-reader with qt support out of the box :P Mar 09 15:12:34 ouch All for $249 Mar 09 15:12:40 it far from being cheap Mar 09 15:12:54 javispedro agreed Mar 09 15:13:02 khertan: you dont get many android tablets at that price Mar 09 15:13:08 so stupid to buy ebook that is not ebook at all Mar 09 15:13:18 I also do not see it cheap, but I guess it compares nice to the ripoffs from the larger "tablet" manufactures Mar 09 15:13:21 that way i can buy pad or read from laptop Mar 09 15:13:44 it's soooo *cheap* Mar 09 15:13:45 khertan, got it for $200. Mar 09 15:14:00 Nice hardware. Mar 09 15:14:08 so tinny Mar 09 15:14:12 i bouth sony prs 650 Mar 09 15:14:15 OMAP3621, 512MB RAM, IPS. Mar 09 15:14:19 happy eith it Mar 09 15:15:21 My endgame is MeeGo. Mar 09 15:15:22 oh ... didn't see the right specs Mar 09 15:15:24 r> so tinny Mar 09 15:15:24 i bouth sony prs 650 Mar 09 15:15:24 OMAP3621, 512MB RAM, Mar 09 15:15:33 not so bad ! Mar 09 15:16:15 * DocScrutinizer wants a N9000 with 1GHz, 1GB RAM, and HD-HDMI out, plus a pair of sunglasses with micro laser video mirrored in Mar 09 15:16:44 khertan ? Mar 09 15:17:09 DocScrutinizer, it sucks NOver9000 is way better Mar 09 15:17:45 ZogG, sorry copy paste error :) Mar 09 15:18:44 RST38h: any chances you eventually augment xchat? A few features missing Mar 09 15:18:58 khertan, okay, but it's last time it happens Mar 09 15:19:01 =) Mar 09 15:19:06 :) Mar 09 15:19:17 Doc: Once I become jobless and won't have anything else to do :) Mar 09 15:19:32 RST38h, where do you work? Mar 09 15:19:33 lol Mar 09 15:19:46 RST38h: so I hope somebody else has to do that Mar 09 15:20:11 Doc: Once someone wants it badly enough, he/she will do it :) Mar 09 15:20:22 sure sure Mar 09 15:20:22 DocScrutinizer do what? Mar 09 15:20:29 Doc: Last changes were done by MohammadAG who finally made the notification icons work Mar 09 15:20:36 fix/add a few things for xchat Mar 09 15:20:57 what f'ing notification icons? Mar 09 15:21:20 xchat works fine for me Mar 09 15:21:44 Doc: Also depends on how difficult those things are to add Mar 09 15:21:48 ZogG: still a better nick completion, a smarter one, couldn't hurt for example Mar 09 15:22:11 what si wrong with one built in? Mar 09 15:22:25 Nick completionyou can perfectly well add by yourself, except that your standards of "smarter" may not necessarily match what others think Mar 09 15:22:27 RST38h: dirt cheap one: when pressing nickcompletion at an empty lijne, use last used nick Mar 09 15:22:35 Doc: Aha Mar 09 15:22:44 Why not press the UP button though? Mar 09 15:22:45 is it really helpful? Mar 09 15:22:54 My phone won't charge, any solutions? Mar 09 15:22:57 RST38h: because pressing up gives you the whole message Mar 09 15:23:02 ah ok Mar 09 15:23:48 RST38h: because the (shift)up is fetching the whole last line, and deleting my long posts to get same nick again is way more work than retyping the first 3 letters Mar 09 15:23:57 DocScrutinizer, gui_ulist_doubleclick Command to run upon double click of user in userlist. Mar 09 15:24:21 I fsckng got no crappy userlist Mar 09 15:24:36 Doc: Ok, I have got the overall idea. Will look at it, and add it if it is easy Mar 09 15:24:48 RST38h: cool Mar 09 15:25:20 urgh, anyone know about JSON? Mar 09 15:25:44 JSON is the new XML Mar 09 15:25:52 anything else you wanna know? :) Mar 09 15:26:02 no, that's all good ;) Mar 09 15:26:25 actually I think I've worked it out, was wondering what the root object is called Mar 09 15:26:35 RST38h: while you're at it - maybe shorting the window title so the meaningless "nick @ server" gets dropped and you actually could read the more interesting bits at end that never appeared here as they are truncated Mar 09 15:27:41 (yeah I know my nick is too long ;-P) Mar 09 15:28:20 Doc: yea, that one is doable Mar 09 15:28:51 "Utah To Teach USA is a Republic, Not a Democracy" Mar 09 15:29:04 currently I got "XChat: docscrutinizer51 @ ZNC / #" Mar 09 15:29:12 RST38h, can you add FBReader syncing to you jobless list, too? Mar 09 15:29:22 none of that is of any particular nterest to me Mar 09 15:30:13 as I know it's xchat and I know and even see my nick Mar 09 15:30:53 GAN: There is a guy, named Rob1n, who is doing pretty well on maintaining FBReader Mar 09 15:31:17 quite nice of die Polizei to release crime stats with a JSON interface for us to browse Mar 09 15:31:18 I for the life of me I couldn't figure what's that # meaning, sometimes it's there sometimes not Mar 09 15:31:52 and the / prolly is mere cruft Mar 09 15:38:13 RST38h: if you could build a .deb with python plugin enabled and host it at I'd be even double-happy Mar 09 15:38:45 Doc: Forget Python Mar 09 15:38:59 Doc: Once I enable Python it starts cursing about Python not installed Mar 09 15:38:59 RST38h: I know about dependency PITA with normal repo Mar 09 15:39:28 that'S why I ask for a .deb >somewhere>, not a pkg in -devel Mar 09 15:39:52 even a mere binary would do Mar 09 15:40:31 Just compile it yourself, the sources are in the repo Mar 09 15:41:05 yeah, but that means I need to setup and get used to that yuck SB Mar 09 15:41:54 I touched that thing last time some ~10 moths ago Mar 09 15:42:09 and that took me like two days to get everything running Mar 09 15:43:27 "small" root here, only some 25GB Mar 09 15:43:50 so I probably would want to buy a new laptop, to make SB run smoothly Mar 09 15:45:06 or install the whole crap on a Vhost, under centos :-o Mar 09 15:45:39 even there the storage is 'only' some 30GB right now Mar 09 16:48:28 ~ping Mar 09 16:48:30 ~pong Mar 09 16:48:51 aaah, ok, at least the net and server are alive Mar 09 16:50:10 * MohammadAG looks at tumble weeds Mar 09 16:50:31 shhssshhhhSHHHHHHssssssHhhhhhhhh Mar 09 16:51:59 * DocScrutinizer gathers everybody's curing their hangover from yesterday rednose madness Mar 09 17:00:35 * merlin1991 zzzzZZzzs in front of C# code Mar 09 17:03:18 Man, that scared me. Mar 09 17:03:22 /sonic boom Mar 09 17:07:39 GAN900: just watched that online Mar 09 17:07:58 Shook the windows Mar 09 17:08:25 well that particular vehicle won't be doing that again Mar 09 17:13:14 there really is a lot of faffing about after a shuttle landing Mar 09 17:19:50 hai Mar 09 17:21:02 Hey, any idea to connect Ovi Store and FapMan? Or .. an alternative than the n900 package manager? Mar 09 17:21:11 It's slow as hell. And i want to install more apps Mar 09 17:23:58 Tsuyo: apt-get install? Mar 09 17:25:09 I added the repository Ovi Store fremantle 1.2, but how can i identify me as an customer? Mar 09 17:25:23 I mean, if i buy apps, i can download them. How can i do that via apt-get? Mar 09 17:26:04 I don't see the apps anyway. Mar 09 17:27:28 Ok Mar 09 17:27:31 lardman, good riddance. Way too expensive for what you get. Too bad the money's gonna go to bribing votes out of old people instead of actual productive things. Mar 09 17:27:35 Ovi Store is crap Mar 09 17:27:40 huh Mar 09 17:27:52 GAN900: but pretty cool engineering Mar 09 17:28:02 Tsuyo: I dont think Ovi will work with fapman Mar 09 17:28:03 considering it was deisgned and built in the 70s Mar 09 17:28:04 Tsuyo: you really think that in nokia world you get any usability if you pay? Mar 09 17:28:25 ^^. That was just an example. I haven't bought anything. Mar 09 17:28:34 I mean, except the N900. Mar 09 17:28:36 no, man, it's all other way round. when ovi just opened, it was easier to get apps if you _didn't_ pay Mar 09 17:28:43 Yeah, for the 80s. Mar 09 17:28:50 http://kasvopus.substanceofcode.com/ Mar 09 17:29:28 Interesting to see where the private companies go. Mar 09 17:32:23 * lardman heads home Mar 09 17:32:27 cu later GAN900 Mar 09 17:34:06 hm interesting, i disabled the lock code on my n900 some time back, but now after finishing a call it got locked and asks for a lock code, maybe the previous code i configured long time ago that i disabled and dont remember anymore? Mar 09 17:35:19 so what are the options for disabling/bypassing/resetting that code? Mar 09 17:35:28 preferably without reflashing the whole thing Mar 09 17:39:53 tg: 12345? Mar 09 17:39:58 If it was as default Mar 09 17:40:01 doesnt work.. Mar 09 17:40:07 i already tried that Mar 09 17:40:08 :( Mar 09 17:41:40 the problem is that it's still locked after reboot Mar 09 17:42:15 and doesnt ask for my sim pin code but this lock code instead Mar 09 17:43:20 is there a recovery console or similar where i can access the device? Mar 09 17:47:39 so is there a recovery console or similar where i can access the rootfs? Mar 09 17:47:42 oops Mar 09 17:47:45 i already asked that :) Mar 09 17:48:22 No. Mar 09 17:48:38 I'm unsureif meego respects the CAL eprom. Mar 09 17:49:46 mmhm Mar 09 17:58:18 there is no way to "disable lockcode". You can disable the automatic locking, but you always can lock it via powerbutton menu Mar 09 17:59:00 definitely there is, just install os that doesn't care of it Mar 09 17:59:38 and only chance you got to unlock a locked device is to get access either via ssh or via meego / rescue-initrd and do the john Mar 09 17:59:39 well it's enough to disable autolock for now Mar 09 17:59:49 What is the lock code? Mar 09 18:00:11 i've just read somewhere that reflashing disables autolock Mar 09 18:00:23 lolcat: some marketing crap that leads into cases when user can't use his own device Mar 09 18:00:33 exactly Mar 09 18:00:37 hmm I honestly doubt that Mar 09 18:01:31 that would render whole lockcode void Mar 09 18:01:44 I want to lock my phone so my friends can't mess with my phone while drunk! Mar 09 18:01:56 If it would only charge... Mar 09 18:02:14 you can reset lockcode with special flasher tools that access CAL partition directly Mar 09 18:02:38 Can I do that without the phone charging? Can it be a broken battery? Mar 09 18:04:38 Hi, fellow marooned N900 passengers on the sinking ship of Nokia. Mar 09 18:04:48 tg: you need access to device and reset or decode the lockcode Mar 09 18:04:55 What is the best worst thing I can to to fix it? Mar 09 18:05:25 DocScrutinizer51: btw, are there vanilla CAL images available? Mar 09 18:05:30 Is there a reason I don't see "bc" in the available packages to install after having recently updated repositories (yesterday) to include extras.*? Mar 09 18:05:40 slonopotamus: not possible Mar 09 18:06:06 DocScrutinizer51: why? Mar 09 18:06:12 CAL has CALibration data, for ALS, MAC, Ser#... Mar 09 18:07:03 DocScrutinizer51: yes i need access, should i try with this flasher 3.5 or is there a better tool? Mar 09 18:07:31 what would you do with flasher3.5? Mar 09 18:08:34 afaik you need rescue-initrd which starts via flasher Mar 09 18:09:06 yes that's what i'd try Mar 09 18:09:14 I may have found the problem: enabling repositories in "Faster Application Manager" doesn't "really" enable them; it looks like it will work when I enable them in the official app manager. Mar 09 18:09:38 don't think meego or anything else alternative way to access CAL partition will work/install on a locked device Mar 09 18:10:40 fapman is known botch Mar 09 18:11:22 fapman is a bitch Mar 09 18:13:46 tg: use the grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail 1 method to get the lockcode hash, in rescue-initrd Mar 09 18:14:09 k Mar 09 18:14:32 i found something like that too Mar 09 18:14:43 and how to disable autolock? Mar 09 18:14:54 iirc there was a file on the rootfs that i have to remove? Mar 09 18:15:48 tg: why would you want to bother with files to disable autolock? Mar 09 18:16:26 you need ubifs support in rescue-initrd to access rootfs Mar 09 18:16:26 if only Nokia opened up some apps on maemo Mar 09 18:16:27 still with the lock code things :P Mar 09 18:16:28 ? Mar 09 18:16:34 MohammadAG: or all Mar 09 18:16:35 how hard would have been to do this... Mar 09 18:16:37 if (QSettings().value("main/onApplicationExit").toString() == "stop-playback") Mar 09 18:16:37 mafwrenderer->stop(); Mar 09 18:16:55 DocScrutinizer51: oh i see, i thought that'd be simpler Mar 09 18:17:57 tg: get hash from mtd1, decrypt it with john on your PC, unlock device and boot, profit Mar 09 18:18:14 then you can adjust whatever you want Mar 09 18:18:18 yup Mar 09 18:18:26 hmm Mar 09 18:18:33 I don't think mtd1 is mtd1 on new kernels Mar 09 18:18:43 I could be wrong, but isn't it mtdblock1? Mar 09 18:19:14 dunno Mar 09 18:20:28 well, mt*1 Mar 09 18:20:43 I'd hope tg will find out, once he managed to actually *use* rescue-initrd with that fsckdup keymap Mar 09 18:22:10 * tg reading the wiki :) Mar 09 18:22:50 zerojay, ping Mar 09 18:23:18 hmm, which has the correct keymap in framebuffer, meego or the initrd image? Mar 09 18:24:07 initrd has no / Mar 09 18:24:18 I found a trick for that Mar 09 18:24:22 and afaik no bluekeys at all Mar 09 18:24:32 cd .., keep doing that till you get to / Mar 09 18:24:41 then use CTRL+I as tab Mar 09 18:24:42 :nod: Mar 09 18:24:43 works nicely :P Mar 09 18:24:52 wow Mar 09 18:25:19 and... nicolai pushed his cmaera-ui clone Mar 09 18:25:20 didn't occur to me Mar 09 18:25:58 that guy's awesome :D Mar 09 18:26:33 hmm, a binary only, oh well Mar 09 18:40:35 HP is planning to put WebOS onto every PC it sells in 2012 in an attempt to attract developers to the platform Mar 09 18:41:00 MohammadAG: (trick) you checked if initrd actually accepts ctrl+key? Mar 09 18:41:23 DocScrutinizer, yeah Mar 09 18:41:27 DocScrutinizer, all shells do Mar 09 18:41:36 well, all the ones I've used anyway Mar 09 18:41:53 meh, not all kbd driver take modifier keys though Mar 09 18:41:56 RST38h, I think I'll start looking at Dells now Mar 09 18:42:37 afaik rescue-initrd takes neither blue nor ctrl or shift Mar 09 18:42:48 nah, CTRL works Mar 09 18:42:51 it's a started key Mar 09 18:43:00 so is shift I think Mar 09 18:43:04 that's why I asked "did you check with *rescue-initrd*?" Mar 09 18:43:05 blue, yeah, it doesn't accept it Mar 09 18:43:33 i hate this kind of thread : "Maemo Plzz Create Hd Games For Nokia N900" Mar 09 18:43:38 ndiswrapper crashed, yay Mar 09 18:43:48 DocScrutinizer, iirc, yeah, ctrl works Mar 09 18:43:56 since I tried mounting the rootfs block Mar 09 18:44:07 fair enough Mar 09 18:45:17 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70870 Mar 09 18:45:18 Mohammad: Why? Mar 09 18:45:35 Cause I'd hate WebOS as a laptop OS Mar 09 18:45:40 Mohammad: As long as that thing sits in the firmware and acts as a fast-boot environment, it should be fine Mar 09 18:46:01 Mohammad: The are notforcing it on you, Windows is still there Mar 09 18:46:17 oh, fast-boot Mar 09 18:46:19 javispedro will be delightedthough :) Mar 09 18:46:22 then I'd love it Mar 09 18:46:32 as long as it's not the main OS, and Windows can die Mar 09 18:46:48 I'd love a Debian sticker instead of a Windows one Mar 09 18:47:01 the Nicolai guy is a freaking genius Mar 09 18:47:20 eh? Mar 09 18:47:27 Mohammad:Debian people are extremely anal retentive legal-wise, so no way Mar 09 18:47:33 Ubuntu maybe. Not Debian Mar 09 18:47:36 Ubuntu then Mar 09 18:53:51 webOS could be interesting. Mar 09 19:04:27 MohammadAG: You in IL atm? Mar 09 19:05:05 crashanddie_, yeah Mar 09 19:10:57 sad how stuff like this can be ignored http://gitorious.org/qildon/hildon-desktop/commit/31dd3b35be7b1bd4b60ebcf8ac1ef786fb984215 Mar 09 19:13:43 hello, has anyone a tip for a recommendable repository list for a nokia n900? Mar 09 19:13:55 extras Mar 09 19:14:20 and that's about it, really. Mar 09 19:14:46 i heard about quole or something like that Mar 09 19:14:56 qole Mar 09 19:15:07 You asked for recommendable :) Mar 09 19:15:18 ah, ok :) Mar 09 19:15:27 Qole is a cannuck... So we can't recommend it. Mar 09 19:17:27 ok, and what about a list of not so recommendable repositories? ;) Mar 09 19:17:45 today i was looking for netcat and didn't found it Mar 09 19:18:04 * MohammadAG looks at devel and whispers along Mar 09 19:22:43 Hey, crashanddie_. Mar 09 19:23:07 who is familiar with disassembling ELF binaries? Mar 09 19:23:07 ricki8024, Extras-testing Mar 09 19:24:53 extras, extras-devel, extras-testing, my-maemo.com and also qole.org doesn't list netcat or i have configured them wrong Mar 09 19:25:14 found qole, thanks crashanddie_ Mar 09 19:25:39 ricki8024, my-maemo.com is a no-go. Mar 09 19:25:51 *disable* :) Mar 09 19:25:53 hey GAN900 Mar 09 19:26:13 I'm out, talk to you later or summin Mar 09 19:26:18 Later. Mar 09 19:33:01 anyone know how to get the APN information out of maemo? Mar 09 19:37:05 hmhm, to dial using sip one should select this in “call type” in the phone app? Mar 09 19:38:04 hm, anyone know of any oss app that registers an action for contacts? Mar 09 19:38:26 ie adds another action along side "Call" and "SMS" Mar 09 19:40:57 ricki8024: tools Mar 09 19:41:20 Corsac: yep Mar 09 19:42:00 i just found http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Repositories and http://www.nokian900applications.com/more-repositories-for-nokia-n900/ . should have looked harder before asking. Mar 09 19:42:08 frals: like "MMS"? ;-D Mar 09 19:42:16 DocScrutinizer: yeah ;P Mar 09 19:42:49 frals: you should have better sources of info now Mar 09 19:43:29 frals: dunno how open e.g SIP is Mar 09 19:43:39 well, easier asking here if anyone has done it then running around in a huge building ;-) Mar 09 19:44:04 DocScrutinizer: somehow I can't do that, typing on the “call type” button doesn't give anything (while I do have a connected sip account) Mar 09 19:44:23 trying to call using a contact gives a “call disconnected” message instantly Mar 09 19:44:26 heh, same problem I had, until yesterday Mar 09 19:45:04 how did you fix that? :) Mar 09 19:45:08 Corsac: I assume your SIP has checked the "Use for phonecalls" Mar 09 19:45:15 hmhm Mar 09 19:45:20 Corsac: I updated to PR1.3 Mar 09 19:45:23 in the advanced properties? Mar 09 19:45:27 (I have PR1.3 too) Mar 09 19:45:34 well, CSSU, so maybe there's something broken Mar 09 19:45:53 I gather I killed that by doing apt-get autoremove Mar 09 19:46:13 how do you check the “use for phonecalls”? Mar 09 19:46:15 nah, I got CSSU as well Mar 09 19:46:18 I don't have that in the account properties Mar 09 19:46:33 I got to borrow a Nokia 1208 as a replacement for my phone :S Mar 09 19:46:35 lemme check Mar 09 19:47:44 yes, first option in SIP advanced Mar 09 19:48:00 was gone when I got that problem Mar 09 19:48:50 weird, I don't have thjat Mar 09 19:48:55 maybe I should recreate it Mar 09 19:49:00 see above Mar 09 19:49:12 doesn't help Mar 09 19:49:24 something's messed up Mar 09 19:51:40 * jaska pokes the wiki with a baltic herring Mar 09 19:52:09 DocScrutinizer: damn, and I forgot my password and I just deleted the account :/ Mar 09 19:53:45 you deleted account without knowing password? :) Mar 09 19:54:01 yeah, but I managed to change it anyway Mar 09 19:54:07 so it's ok but still no parameter Mar 09 19:54:10 and still “call disconnected” Mar 09 19:54:48 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70255 Mar 09 19:55:54 MEH Mar 09 19:55:58 W: Conflicting distribution: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3 Release (expected fremantle-1.3 but got ) Mar 09 19:56:00 W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems Mar 09 19:56:19 which is exactly what I did to produce this error Mar 09 19:57:03 DocScrutinizer: hm this keymap is indeed fsckdup, i press the keys but nothing happens in the rescue-initrd menu Mar 09 19:57:27 so... where i get package install history in maemo/debian/ubuntu/whatever-deb-based? Mar 09 19:57:50 you don't, afaik Mar 09 19:58:10 package management != version control Mar 09 19:58:34 Hi, anyone know if the QGesture stuff works on the N900 (PR1.3)? Just tried it with no joy. Mar 09 19:58:35 Mousey: you don't need version control to write a log Mar 09 19:59:01 slonopotamus: /var/log/dpkg.log? Mar 09 19:59:11 Corsac: apt-get gives me: Mar 09 19:59:14 The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: Mar 09 19:59:16 rtcom-accounts-plugin-facebook rtcom-skype-emoticons-theme rtcom-accounts-voip-support as-utils cherry libshiboken0.3 Mar 09 19:59:17 pyside-qt4-gui modest-home-applet microb-geolocation pyside-qt4-core libpyside0.3 Mar 09 19:59:19 Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. Mar 09 19:59:24 Mousey: no such thing on maemo Mar 09 19:59:38 rtcom-accounts-voip-support !!! Mar 09 19:59:45 yep Mar 09 20:00:05 slonopotamus: maybe a different place is specified in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg? Mar 09 20:00:08 it's in rc status here Mar 09 20:00:29 huh Mar 09 20:00:40 Mousey: it is commented out, obviously Mar 09 20:00:55 then it's probably not logging? Mar 09 20:01:32 nokians did everything (and a bit more) to turn debian base into complete crap Mar 09 20:01:41 ...point being, that's dpkg's log facility. Mar 09 20:02:00 maybe uncomment it and logrotate ftw? Mar 09 20:02:14 logrotate? no cron on maemo Mar 09 20:02:32 Jaffa: i tweeted you Mar 09 20:02:34 oh. anacron? at? install it? Mar 09 20:02:44 idk, just tryna help Mar 09 20:04:15 Corsac: you reinstalled rtcom-accounts-voip-support? Mar 09 20:04:39 yeah Mar 09 20:04:45 juste rebooted Mar 09 20:04:54 slonopotamus: alarmed Mar 09 20:05:06 yeah, seems to work better Mar 09 20:05:14 \o/ Mar 09 20:05:29 killed another of those fat insects ;-D Mar 09 20:06:03 bugs attack? Mar 09 20:06:12 now WTF is it considered free for autoremove? Mar 09 20:06:46 because noone deps on it? because autoremove is broken? Mar 09 20:07:22 I guess because noone depends on it - which clearly is a bug Mar 09 20:07:56 well, aiui the autoinstalled-tag is a bug, to start with Mar 09 20:09:07 it clearly is needed for SIP telephony, and either is a pkg of its own right, or a dependency of dialer Mar 09 20:09:43 I suspect some nerd thought it's sufficient to pull it in as a dependency of skype Mar 09 20:10:46 CBA to open a ticket :-P Mar 09 20:11:07 no idea. i just saw some packages gone autoremoved after installing cssu, but there was none i cared of Mar 09 20:11:21 3 < some < 8 Mar 09 20:11:28 rtcom-accounts-voip-support is still there, after CSSU install Mar 09 20:11:45 everything's there until apt-get autoremove Mar 09 20:12:01 and you could have marked it as manually-installed Mar 09 20:12:11 but I most likely followed apt-get's advice to autoremove it some 4 months ago Mar 09 20:12:38 well, I marked nuttin in whatever way Mar 09 20:13:07 as i said, autoremove is broken starting from the initial idea to keep the list of auto-installed packages instead of the list of manually-requested ones. Mar 09 20:13:13 as apt is a miracle to me Mar 09 20:13:54 mhm Mar 09 20:14:09 so it's definitely apt-get that's fsckdup? Mar 09 20:14:42 whatever, time for another edit on jr/tools Mar 09 20:48:07 frals, what do you mean by your tweet? Mar 09 20:48:15 frals Mar 09 20:48:15 Mar 09 20:48:15 trying to figure out how to add "MMS" to osso-abook when contacts got TEL field defined, anyone able to give me a pointer? #maemo #n900 Mar 09 20:49:49 DocScrutinizer: \o/ got the code :) Mar 09 20:50:27 lcuk, telepathy more than osso-abook related Mar 09 20:50:37 (cc frals) Mar 09 20:50:52 he means he wants an MMS field, same way there's an SMS field Mar 09 20:51:18 tg: john'ed? Mar 09 20:51:33 yeah Mar 09 20:51:38 :-D Mar 09 20:51:38 problem was that Mar 09 20:51:48 the first image i tried didnt have a working keyboard Mar 09 20:51:52 the second didnt even boot Mar 09 20:51:59 then it worked with 1.1.80 finally Mar 09 20:52:18 how about updating that friggin wikipage? Mar 09 20:52:25 i'll do that :) Mar 09 20:52:28 with the broken link Mar 09 20:52:38 but then there was no /dev/mtdblock1 and no mknod and no writable fs Mar 09 20:53:02 so i mounted an mmcblk0p2 which was writable so i could mknod there :) Mar 09 20:53:05 writeable fs? what for? Mar 09 20:53:12 for mknod Mar 09 20:53:18 aah Mar 09 20:53:21 because there was no device file Mar 09 20:53:32 omfg Mar 09 20:53:53 now THATS a decent rescue tool Mar 09 20:53:54 btw there is no mknod either but /sbin/busybox-static mknod worked :) Mar 09 20:53:57 :-P Mar 09 20:54:05 lol Mar 09 20:54:20 one question Mar 09 20:54:26 lcuk: what MohammadAG said ^ Mar 09 20:54:28 do you have a uSD card inserted? Mar 09 20:54:48 are you asking me? Mar 09 20:54:56 yeah Mar 09 20:55:00 no i dont have Mar 09 20:55:09 hmm Mar 09 20:55:26 only the one built-in Mar 09 20:55:45 oh, /home Mar 09 20:55:57 frals, MohammadAG, I guessed as much, but better to clarify - so a dedicated MMS number, like the Fax field? Mar 09 20:55:58 yes that's what i mounted Mar 09 20:56:40 lcuk, he probably wants an MMS button for every mobile number Mar 09 20:57:04 not for phone lines though, last I checked those still don't support MMS Mar 09 20:57:27 lol Mar 09 20:57:35 yeah, but that is down to the telcos and homephones Mar 09 20:57:43 just like home phones now support SMS ;) Mar 09 20:57:57 this cramming of contacts with N numbers * M services is unbearable Mar 09 20:58:12 * lcuk thinks the digital lady who phones and in robot voice tells me the sms Mar 09 20:58:19 is great & Mar 09 20:58:48 she has a Microsoft Sam-like voice when I tried it at a friend's house Mar 09 20:58:56 lcuk: as MohammadAG said, an MMS button for every mobile field preferably ;) Mar 09 20:58:57 * DocScrutinizer wonders how that lady will tell lcuk about the picture in that MMS Mar 09 20:59:17 frals, that is a different issue in part! Mar 09 20:59:45 DocScrutinizer, our homes are connected nowadays aren't they Mar 09 20:59:53 the homephone should bluetooth the MMS :P Mar 09 20:59:54 i got the mms button to show up but only for a separate defined field and it would only launch accounts-ui when tapped :p Mar 09 20:59:56 "It has awesome boobs, oh wait, no that's my pic... ah, got it..." Mar 09 21:00:51 frals, hm your basic premise is further integration Mar 09 21:01:06 yes Mar 09 21:01:24 but i dont want to convert the whole thing to a telepathy plugin ;) Mar 09 21:01:43 * DocScrutinizer mumbles about he mumbled about CSSU contacts long ago, better to do those prior to cssu-dialer Mar 09 21:02:31 AND NUKE TELEPATHY! Mar 09 21:02:32 frals, the other side of that was also at the sharing dialog Mar 09 21:02:47 i like telepathy :) Mar 09 21:03:32 I knew you were going to say that. Mar 09 21:03:55 well. it is pretty good Mar 09 21:04:08 i do too, and hearing DocScrutinizer say that is odd Mar 09 21:04:37 heh Mar 09 21:04:49 <_0x47> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVogg_0Hhus Mar 09 21:05:03 i am waiting for meego to be done Mar 09 21:05:09 wonder if it will suck Mar 09 21:05:26 meego will grow and solidify Mar 09 21:05:44 telepathy is useless due to missing 300+ pages of docs Mar 09 21:05:55 if they can get it working on something worth using it will Mar 09 21:06:15 300+ pages of docs? Mar 09 21:06:51 i am not holding my breath for meego ;) Mar 09 21:06:55 when i was looking at it last it was missing "idiots guide to how to add mms as a plugin" ;( Mar 09 21:07:28 i doubt it will ever be done at least for an n900 and i wouldnt buy another nokia abandonware device Mar 09 21:07:35 see, I generally get a generic own solution faster than I get how telepathy would do same thing for me Mar 09 21:07:55 think i learned my lesson with the n8x0 and n900 :) Mar 09 21:15:45 frals, how's the weather? Mar 09 21:16:16 horrible, like always in HEL Mar 09 21:16:53 frals, and the emotional atmosphere? *g* Mar 09 21:17:00 I thought HEL people always said weather was better yesterday Mar 09 21:17:26 emotionally the sun is shining Mar 09 21:18:14 Feels like summer's here. Mar 09 21:18:28 Touching the mid-high 80s today. Mar 09 21:18:56 0C and probably 10-15m/s in wind Mar 09 21:19:22 can see most parts of the sidewalks now thou, first time in 4 months! Mar 09 21:19:22 Oof Mar 09 21:20:34 I can too! (I vacuumed a couple dumpsters worth of oak leaves out of the yard yesterday) Mar 09 21:20:45 hehe Mar 09 21:24:35 gas now costs 10 cents a gallon Mar 09 21:25:03 Hi, MohammadAG and others. How can I play a tone of specified frequency and duration in my Python script on the N900? Is there a "tone " command, or some dbus signal I can send, or a PyGTKn900 function I can call, or (at the last resort) some C program I can compile on my N900 which can give me this capability? Mar 09 21:26:19 kwtm, I suck at python :p Mar 09 21:26:34 ask khertan when he's on, maybe frals knows Mar 09 21:26:53 MohammadAG: How would you do it? Is there a system call? I don't want to be stuck playing sound files. Mar 09 21:27:12 you're a C++ guy, right? Mar 09 21:27:24 Oh, no, GTK. C guy, then. Mar 09 21:29:32 nah, Qt, so C++ Mar 09 21:29:56 I do some C/Gtk edits, for programming from scratch, what would take me 5 minutes with Qt takes me an hour with Gtk Mar 09 21:32:48 Oh, good, I actually prefer KDE to Gnome, so I'd prefer to stay with Qt. So how do you make a sound with Qt/C++? (besides the sound of my grinding teeth as I try to work around Nokia's GUI?) Mar 09 21:40:10 system("sox synth...") Mar 09 21:40:11 what do you suggest for easy offline maps on the N810 (aside from the built-in Maps thing)? i only really need one city at a time, so i guess i could live with multi-level bitmaps, but i'd like to be quite sure the needed city stays in the cache Mar 09 21:40:28 does someone get erminig to work in the n900-SDK? Mar 09 21:43:21 or, if you prefer to stay with preinstalled things: system("play-sound /path/to/beep.wav") Mar 09 21:47:15 DocScrutinizer, ew Mar 09 21:47:59 kwtm: take a look at QMultimedia Mar 09 22:00:49 DocScrutinizer: wow, didn't know sox could do that and didn't know sox was available! I have been conservative in avoiding extras-devel, but since the N900 is probably going to be the only (worthwhile) thing left afloat after the Sinking Island of Nokia, I might as well install that before everything disappears. Mar 09 22:02:04 tripzero: Sorry, not sure where to start looking at QMultimedia. Google seems to point in irrelevant directions. Is this part of the Qt library? Mar 09 22:02:28 QtMultimedia Mar 09 22:02:36 Is what you're looking for Mar 09 22:03:27 kwtm, yes. look at the qt docs http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qtmultimedia.html Mar 09 22:04:24 Ahh, thanks, alterego ... much easier to find without the misspelling. :P Mar 09 22:13:30 nobody knows how to get the APN information out of maemo? Mar 09 22:22:21 ahh, it's in connection settings Mar 09 22:23:35 aargh, eboard is only for Diablo and not Fremantle ... :( Mar 09 22:24:01 that's eboring Mar 09 22:24:12 borderline eborked Mar 09 22:36:43 MohammadAG: Pong? Mar 09 22:39:00 I like eboard better than xboard, but both seem to be better than the built-in osso-chess. Mar 09 22:40:59 DocScrutinizer: Wow, thanks for the advice on sox. Now I can play chords instead of just single-frequency tones. I want to use musical notes to have the n900 signal me, e.g. which phone number is calling me. With sox, instead of playing 7 notes to represent the 7 digits of the phone number, I can just play 2 or 3 chords. Mar 09 22:41:22 I don't suppose there's a dbus signal for "this is the phone number of the incoming caller"? Mar 09 22:41:48 sure there is Mar 09 22:42:18 dbus-monitor |grep Mar 09 22:45:07 DocScrutinizer: I was looking more for what number is calling me (including previously unknown phone numbers) and then playing various tones depending on what the number is (e.g. 123 would be do-re-mi etc.). But I didn't know about dbus-monitor, so I'll look into that. Mar 09 22:45:55 sure, I was telling you how to find the exact dbus signal that yields the number Mar 09 22:46:17 Hmm, so I guess I can start with your command to see what sort of dbus signal gets sent when someone calls my n900, and then figure out what overall format the signal (or rather the dbus-monitor output) is... Mar 09 22:46:52 exactly, given you know the number of the one calling you while monitoring Mar 09 22:47:38 before I crash my n900, please tell me: so, does dbus-monitor reply with text output and then exit, or does it stop and wait until there is a signal, or do I have to do Ctrl-C to stop it? (The last one wouldn't make sense if you're telling me to pipe it through grep.) Mar 09 22:48:02 it prints out text, and exits on ^C Mar 09 22:48:26 and of course ^C works on pipes as well Mar 09 22:48:51 Oh, so I can pipe through grep? I didn't know. Is there a "stop monitoring after 10 seconds" thing or do I have to kill it (if I'm using it in a script)? Mar 09 22:49:06 you must lill Mar 09 22:49:09 kill Mar 09 22:49:39 but I don't suggest to use that for any real app. that's clearly a debug tool only Mar 09 22:49:44 ok. testing now ... hope I'm not the first to discover some bug that requires a reflash or something Mar 09 22:49:55 for real apps there are things like dbus scripting pkg Mar 09 22:50:23 nah, I did this several times now, last time maybe 1 week ago Mar 09 22:50:25 ohh... what's the best way to have a Python script watch for an incoming phone call and do various stuff (like play notes) based on the signal? Mar 09 22:50:43 dbus scripting ... will search for it in maemo pkgs. Mar 09 22:50:47 look at how dbus scripting does it Mar 09 22:50:53 python-dbus Mar 09 22:50:55 Quite easy to listeen for ignals Mar 09 22:51:10 One of my apps uses it I think, for listening to mafw song changes. Mar 09 22:52:56 alterego: Thanks for the advice. I do see python-dbus (yea, it's in extras and not just extras-devel!). Where can I find docs for it? Its home seems to be at freedesktop.org but there doesn't seem to be any doc for it. Mar 09 22:52:56 tbh using dbus scripting and sox I guess this can be done in ~30 lines shellscript or 40 lines python Mar 09 22:53:43 It's pretty simple, let me dig up an example. Mar 09 22:53:47 DocScrutinizer: I have improved in my (shell) scripting skills too ... so, dbus-scripts will install utilities to let me manipulate dbus? Mar 09 22:54:09 kwtm: api docs: [Dp Mar 09 22:54:21 http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-python/api/ Mar 09 22:54:27 alterego: I haven't paid attention to the Python self-doc features ... do I need to just install it and then ... type something in the python interpreter? Mar 09 22:54:31 alterego: Ahh, will check that URL Mar 09 22:54:59 dbus-scripting is a ready made daemon whatching for regex patterns on dbus signals and msgs, and executing arbitrary scripts on the particular signal Mar 09 22:57:12 Yeah, that might be a better idea. Mar 09 22:57:20 Using python-dbus is really easy though Mar 09 22:57:46 Just create a Session or System bus: bus = dbus.SystemBus() Mar 09 22:58:47 Then register a callback for a signal: bus.add_signal_receiver(callback, signal_name, interface, path = path) Mar 09 22:59:14 kwtm: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=897443#post897443 Mar 09 22:59:17 Then enter a main loop, either GMainLoop or the dbus python one Mar 09 23:01:00 wow, I'm going to install both of these --dbus-scripts for ease and dbus-python for power. Now that Nokia is sinking, I'll have to rely on already-existent packages to hack my n900. Fortunately there is such a huge collection of these... Mar 09 23:01:32 The dbus-scripts config reminds me of cron, except I guess instead of being triggered by time, it's triggered by events... Mar 09 23:02:21 I think that was the point Mar 09 23:02:30 Anyhow, I'm heading off, ttyl Mar 09 23:02:37 ... and finally, to shut up my phone, I can always install some null ringtone, I guess? Mar 09 23:02:42 thx for the help, alterego! Bye! Mar 09 23:05:44 aaah, per-contact ringtomes. See barisione's app doing that, it might be easy to tweak to do your accords for contacts that have no particular ringtone (or a special virtual ringtone) assigned to them Mar 09 23:07:41 actually barisione put quite some thought into coping with silencing standard ringtone, and especially re-enabling it whenever it's needed Mar 09 23:08:44 I think that one is linked to the n900 addressbook, an item I am trying to distance myself from. I've blanked it out except for 3 or 4 phone numbers (it was choking on the large size of my addressbook before). So I'll want all of the ringtones to be calculated on the spot from the incoming call, rather than pre-specifying ringtones for the few numbers known to the n900 addressbook. Mar 09 23:08:47 kwtm: "there's an app for that" been invented here, not in Cupertino Mar 09 23:08:50 ;-P Mar 09 23:08:59 DocScrutinizer: Ohh... ok, I should read his docs, then? Mar 09 23:09:44 Hi, anyone know a nice way to open up ports? Mar 09 23:09:49 Yeah, I posted something similar in the Smartfone Arena championship about how n900 apps are created by typing 2 lines of text (as a script file) instead of having to look through some apps store. Mar 09 23:10:26 there's another one too: speak caller's number, somewhere on tmo Mar 09 23:10:50 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34982 Mar 09 23:10:58 "say who's calling" Mar 09 23:11:46 raze: C4? Mar 09 23:11:53 Semtex? Mar 09 23:12:08 N900? Mar 09 23:12:19 DocScrutinizer: Semtex is not available on Fremantle. Must be still in the alpha stage? Mar 09 23:12:25 raze: Aren't the ports open by default? Mar 09 23:12:48 kwtm: I doubt all are. Mar 09 23:12:51 I'm shutting my port from outside now Mar 09 23:12:56 o/ Mar 09 23:18:41 What's the difference between a session bus and system bus (on dbus)? Is the session bus something that I create? Therefore the built-in software on N900 will all run on the system bus? And do I need to specify system bus or will dbus-scripts (and other monitors) just default to "monitor all buses" (if there is such a thing)? Mar 09 23:24:03 kwtm, no Mar 09 23:24:09 session bus is per-user Mar 09 23:24:17 system bus is system-wide Mar 09 23:24:49 services register on a bus Mar 09 23:25:02 if you want to use a service, you need to use the bus it's registered on Mar 09 23:25:21 take a look at applications like d-feet or qdbusviewer Mar 09 23:25:26 and you'll get the idea of how it works Mar 09 23:51:00 afaik dbus-scripts is monitoring both busses Mar 09 23:51:24 I might be wrong though Mar 09 23:52:32 now that's definitely too short a pub visit... bbl Mar 09 23:53:01 s/'s/'s been/ Mar 09 23:53:02 DocScrutinizer meant: now that's been definitely too short a pub visit... bbl Mar 09 23:58:33 rsp now that's better Mar 10 00:38:36 ## parachute used: diameter 10m, made of cottonsilk (nylon) Mar 10 01:16:07 * GeneralAntilles yawns. Mar 10 01:25:25 do'nt do that Mar 10 01:25:29 I can't type Mar 10 01:39:26 * DocScrutinizer burps Mar 10 01:39:59 * DocScrutinizer wonders idly what's nylon based cottonsilk Mar 10 01:43:17 this might not be the right channel for this question, but I'm hoping someone has seen this: I have an N900 with T-Mobile as my service provider. I've upgraded the SIM to the uicc model but for some reason the damn network will not provision me with service. Anyone run into this and have any suggestions? Mar 10 01:44:15 I don't even have any F'ing clue what'a uicc model Mar 10 01:44:57 zanberdo: you're inthe US I assume? Mar 10 01:45:02 yes Mar 10 01:45:39 uicc is just the latest SIM card evidently. I don't know either. I was told my SIM from my old phone might not provision the data plan on the new network and they said 'go get the latest SIM' Mar 10 01:45:49 it's likely not relevant... Mar 10 01:45:58 but in case it was, I wanted to throw it out there Mar 10 01:46:45 I'm getting tired of being told 'we've reprovisioned your account, it could take 2 to 4 hours before you have access' so I wait and when I check it I still get redirected to the damn upsell sight for t-mobile Mar 10 01:46:54 :/ Mar 10 01:46:57 yeah Mar 10 01:47:05 I've confirmed my network settings are correct Mar 10 01:47:10 with their tech support Mar 10 01:47:10 I don't suppose you've got another phone you could check it with? Mar 10 01:47:39 no, sadly my previous phone was a clam-shell Z80 (or some such)... Mar 10 01:47:53 I'm going to stop in at the T-Mobile store on my way home tonight Mar 10 01:48:02 but I fear I'm going to get there and they won't have a clue what to do Mar 10 01:48:04 zanberdo, is it just your data that doesn't work? Mar 10 01:48:08 so I thought I try here first Mar 10 01:48:17 let me try to answer that as best I can Mar 10 01:48:23 I can connect to wifi with no trouble Mar 10 01:48:25 can you recieve calls? Mar 10 01:48:35 and I get phone calls and text with no trouble Mar 10 01:48:38 okay Mar 10 01:48:47 did you try all three APNs for the network? Mar 10 01:49:03 <- I have tmobile and a n900 Mar 10 01:49:16 yaay Mar 10 01:49:23 tmobile doesn't know I have a n900 though Mar 10 01:49:28 they think I have a dumbphone Mar 10 01:49:32 I can even connect to the t-mobile network for data. it's just that whenever i try to navigate I get redirected to their 'your device doesn't work with this data plan' Mar 10 01:49:35 so I pay just $10 for unlimted data Mar 10 01:49:39 yeah Mar 10 01:49:43 what APN are you using? Mar 10 01:49:47 all three apns? Mar 10 01:49:52 I think I only have the one Mar 10 01:50:21 what one is it? Mar 10 01:50:48 epc.tmobile.com Mar 10 01:50:56 you need an APN, and you maybe want to use a specific DNS, in advanced settings of that packet data connection on N900 Mar 10 01:50:58 no username or password Mar 10 01:50:59 try internet2.voicestream.com Mar 10 01:51:14 let me try that. Mar 10 01:51:59 * DocScrutinizer sighs on fourth wold situation regarding GSM/3G in USA Mar 10 01:52:06 heh Mar 10 01:52:07 world* Mar 10 01:52:25 Proteous, should I leave auto-retrieve IP address and DNS or should I specify one as Doc suggests? Mar 10 01:52:30 auto Mar 10 01:52:39 try auto first Mar 10 01:52:54 yeah Mar 10 01:52:57 ok, trying now Mar 10 01:52:59 if you get redirected to then use e.g. 8.8.8.8 Mar 10 01:53:13 YEAH! Mar 10 01:53:16 that did it! Mar 10 01:53:16 :) Mar 10 01:53:17 brilliant Mar 10 01:53:20 thank you! Mar 10 01:53:23 no problem Mar 10 01:53:25 have fun Mar 10 01:53:28 been fighting this for a few days now! hehehe Mar 10 01:53:34 tmoble reps are dumb Mar 10 01:53:43 so you should come here more directly Mar 10 01:53:51 ok, one more question: how can I get ip information from the command line? ipconfig and iwconfig do not work and I can't find a package that includes them. Mar 10 01:54:00 every drone is, not only t-mob Mar 10 01:54:03 DocScrutinizer, you are correct sir! :) Mar 10 01:54:03 yeah Mar 10 01:54:22 there are aps that will tell you that stuff Mar 10 01:55:10 yeah, i have a widget that gives me that info, but I was hoping there was a cli equivalent to iw/ifconfig Mar 10 01:55:37 I was going to say it's useful when you've ssh'd to the phone, but of course in order to do that you sort of have to know the IP so I suppose that's not a real good example... :) Mar 10 01:55:54 if you use the gainroot app Mar 10 01:56:00 you can then use ipconfig Mar 10 01:56:03 rootsh Mar 10 01:56:06 er, ifconfig Mar 10 01:56:21 yeah, ifconfig is there you just have to be root to run it Mar 10 01:56:24 yeah, sorry, ifconfig Mar 10 01:56:35 did I say ip? gah... having to work on windows boxes at work... Mar 10 01:56:46 yeah Mar 10 01:57:14 iw/ifconfig looks good to me Mar 10 01:57:41 both available on maemo5 Mar 10 01:57:50 ah, I see.. I was calling ifconfig and was getting back '-bash: ifconfig: command not found' but when I run it with sudo it returns what I was seeking. should have tried it with sudo... Mar 10 01:58:26 you should have tried with `root` Mar 10 01:58:31 heheh Mar 10 01:58:33 time to go home Mar 10 01:58:33 probably Mar 10 01:58:37 aye Mar 10 01:58:40 thanks for the help! Mar 10 01:58:41 cheers Mar 10 01:58:45 np, cya Mar 10 01:59:03 o/ Mar 10 01:59:36 I wish somebody would pay me for that stuff... Mar 10 02:00:31 Jaffa: ping Mar 10 02:02:33 FZ: "do they pay you good for that stuff that you do?" devil: "Y'know, I can't complain when the checks come thru" FZ: "but I want my titties and I want my beer, so you barf it back up, devil, do you hear?!" Mar 10 02:07:02 "Blow it out your ass, motorcycle man! I am fhe Devil, Do you understand? Just what will you give me for your titties and beer? I suppose you noticed this little contract here, . '' Mar 10 02:08:28 Mar 10 02:09:08 "You can't fool me, man . . . you ain't that bad . . . I mean you shoulda seen some of fhe souls I had . . . Why there was Milhous Nixon 'n Agnew too . . . 'n both of fhose suckers was worse 'n you . . "WELL, LET'S MAKE A DEAL IF YOU THINK THAT'S TRUE I MEAN, YOU'RE THE DEVIL SO ... WHATCHA GONNA DO? Mar 10 02:10:56 hah Mar 10 02:22:16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=441-Vnv7cRY Mar 10 02:44:28 has anyone been ablt to get either of the cameras to be able to stream via flash(like ustream and such) Mar 10 02:48:21 I don't think flash supports that. Mar 10 02:55:52 i know flash itself does, but it looks like the flash the n900 has does not :< Mar 10 02:57:15 Exactly. Mar 10 02:58:47 Pity. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 10 02:59:57 2011